g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-1.txt ************************************************************************ From mdevera at compuserve.com Tue Jan 1 01:13:55 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:13:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bias Calibration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c19259$33d18bc0$0300a8c0@attbi.com> Good question regarding the performance with different tapes. Unfortunately, my experience is limited to Type II tapes, primarily TDK SA and Maxell XLII. Between those, I find very little difference on the DR-10. If I had to characterize the two, I would say that the Maxell is slightly more 'punchy', live sounding, whereas the TDK seems to provide more uniform and slightly extended frequency response, albeit with less detail at times. But really, they are very close. Response: I set aside a Maxell XLS and TDK SA. Since my DR-1 has taken a critical turn for the worse, I pulled out my Sony TC-KE500S to do calibration tests. I noticed that the TDK requires a hair more bias to get "correct" bias leveling. Then I proceed to do the same test with a Maxell XLS-ll and TDK SA-X. The higher degree of tape "coercivity" (is this correct term usage?) did not change the bias settings at all. Does that mean the higher-grade formula has no bearing on bias, and more so on the performance of the tape output and longevity? ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Once upon a time, circa 1974, a younger me discovered that his shiny new Nakamichi 500 seemed to like TDK tape better than Maxell. There were noticeable sonic differences with the Maxell sounding heavier and less bright and the TDK more balanced. Also at that time, I deduced, by comparison recording, that the Nakamichi-branded cassette that came with the 500 must certainly be a TDK formulation in disguise. How true that was I don't know, except that the Nak cassette sounded awfully close to SA, certainly more so than the comparable Maxell UDXL. So, I always felt that Nakamichi decks were 'set up' for TDK tape. Response: I read somewhere in the vast internet unknown, that Naks exclusively tested their products on TDK tapes, and I would be safe to assume that they rebadged TDK as their own to continue signature product branding. But I could be off-base here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Today, however, I find the Maxell to be the better sounding formulation overall, on each of the DR10, CR7A, and even on my now aging 500. So I think that it is as much a measure of how good-and similar-the formulations have become, as what tape type a machine is 'set-up' for. Response: You must have better hearing than I do, since I can't tell the difference between SA/SA-X or XLll/XLll-S - But I do notice that I can "trebilize" the TDK w/o additional distortion. __________________________________________________________________________ One thing else I can tell you: a few years back I sampled some of TDK's 'specialty' formulations like CD-Bass, CD Power, etc. On the 500, I could hear noticeable differences (none too pleasant, either). When I tried these on the DR-10, the differences in recorded sound were far less noticeable, to the point where these 'specialty' formulations sounded nearly as good as SA or XLII. So not only have the mainstream tape formulations become more similar and consistent, modern Naks are much less sensitive to tape brand and formulation, at least within a given type (type II in this case). This makes sense when you think about it: these modern Naks spec frequency response as being identical regardless of tape type; so it stands to reason that sonic differences among formulations within a tape type might be small. Tape manufacturers like TDK who purposely formulate tapes to provide different sound qualities must dislike Nakamichi! Response: Having relatives in the Pacific Rim, I'm thinking I can persuade them to send me TDK MA-X (whatever is their latest metal tape offering, about 25 cassettes), then maybe I can put this to rest. Metal tape formulas are considered the highest performance when it comes to cassettes, and I think TDK still maintains a high quality. I've also had used Denon HD-8, and I was quite pleased with the results. ____________________________________________________________________________ How do the bias fine tune and bias/level/meter methods of bias adjustment affect performance with different tape types/brands? It is just a matter of getting the most out of the tape. You are not going to make a Maxell tape sound like a TDK and vice versa using one method or the other, or by upping the bias level, etc. The sonic 'fingerprint' of the tape is set by the manufacturer's formulation and the comparative sonic differences (e.g., timbre, detail, dynamics) between tape brands and types won't blur much with bias adjustments. Response: My main concern is that I'm turning off the Dolby C during playback to get back some of the highs. Me would think that the tape is losing higher frequency parts of the recording, and it would be a good time to bulk erase some of my tapes and re-record them. So therefore, since I'm going down this road again, I would think a nicer NAK, CORRECT bias calibration, and the best tape I can find would preserve my latest efforts in enjoying music on a "fading" analog medium. ____________________________________________________________________________ _ Your current choices of Dragon, ZX series or CR series will likely serve you well, although I have no experience with the ZX series. Mechanically, the ZX-9 seems similar to a Dragon without auto-azimuth and auto reverse, although the ZX units use the RX head set, as do many other late 70's/early-mid 80's Nak decks (including the legendary 1000/700 ZXLs). The ZX units, esp. the ZX-9, are fewer in number on the resale market, so you have to keep a sharp eye out. CR-4A's (which have the same heads as the CR 3/5/7 and the DR 1/2/10) are somewhat rare also. And while the Dragon is arguably the best sounding Nak deck, it seems to be a thoroughbred that demands some additional maintenance during extended ownership. The auto azimuth often gets out of wack over time, all those bias and level pots can get noisy, etc. (same is true for any Nak with bias/level adjustments, including the ZX series) It's nothing that can't be easily set right by a Nakamichi service technician, mind you, but it is an added expense to the purchase/ownership of the unit; sort of goes with the territory, so to speak. So be careful when shopping for a used Dragon; you may get a real 'dragon'! Look for one in 'babied' condition being sold by the original owner who knows the history and use of the unit, or perhaps one that has been recently serviced professionally to bring it back to like new performance; in this case ask for the service paperwork, especially if the unit is still under service warranty. Response: Your input on the Dragon sort of leaves me with some doubts of trying to procure a unit, since me not being the first owner have to take it on faith that the original owner has indeed taken good care of such a fine piece. I would be more incline to go with the CR-7a, but more so towards the CR-4a, since as soon as the recordings have been completed, the main function of the deck would be playback. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Consider a DR-8 as your primary deck only if your interest in cassette recording is starting to wane, and it doesn't sound that way to me. If you owned a three head deck before, and are into bias adjustment for performance, stay with a good used three head deck. The new DR-8's on E-bay are a good buy for that second system where quality playback is important but not necessarily recording. Not that a two head DR-8 is bad; it is just a step down from where you are at. Response: I was fortunate to find a DR-10: http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/59083239 - for the price, I will keep this unit and use it while my quest for a "better" Nak comes through. I know that my DR-1 with the adjustable azimuth calibration was better, but I left that and the bias in default when originally recording. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Your existing tape library is another consideration. It is common for even well cared for Naks to have ever so slightly different head azimuth settings from one deck to another. If your existing library is important, consider a deck with playback head azimuth adjustment (like your DR-1). In that regard, perhaps the most fuss-free choice would be a Dragon, with its auto-azimuth system on the playback head. As for the Sony, well it's like this. Ask yourself one question: Does the deck I'm considering purchasing provide the same frequency response (read: Performance) regardless of tape type? In my mind, such a feat is the best indicator of the deck's evolutionary sophistication and overall recording competence. To my (admittedly limited) knowledge, there is only one brand-name answer, and with many models to choose from. And you know what that brand is--that is why you are here! Response: Maybe that's why I relegated my Sony TC-KE500S to closet patrol, until my unfortunate accident happened. And this is why, I originally came to this list, I needed an education refresher, since I had purchased my DR-1, sometime in early 1993 - AND NO PROBLEM SINCE !!! I was blessed with a hard-working machine, so of course there are emotional ties invested here, since I dropped some fat cash on it, brand new (me thinks about $950 or so). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- And as for your family, remember the standard rule for kids and pets: put it up high, enclosed and, if necessary, locked. Or do as I do: one room in the house where the kids and pets do not go...deadbolted, if need be, for your protection and their longevity! Response: My two-channel evolved into a double duty home theater rig in which, now I had to actually program macros into my remote so that to listen to CDs, watch DVDs or satellite viewing, the wife insisted on 1-button on/off for everything related to home audio/video. I also used a open shelf system, since I, long ago was berated on the evils of enclosed cabinets with veneered sides and glass doors. The equipment couldn't "breathe". With an open shelf setup, the locks are almost impossible to implement. My own child (3 years) is actually adept at using the controls and slightly advanced at handling the home audio gear. My contribution to audiophiles everywhere, indoctrination at a very young age. ____________________________________________________________________________ __________ Happy hunting! Response: BUT OF COURSE !!! And a happy holidays and prosperous New Years to you. I appreciate the thought and effort on your end in enlightening me, and crystallizing what one of my goals are for 2002. Find that "babied" Nak Dragon, cross my fingers for an almost virgin condition, and if not, there always Steve Sank to run to. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 1 02:18:27 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:18:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips/Marantz CD mechanisms References: Message-ID: <029c01c19262$381a9100$403442cf@sank1> Yes, the CDM-12 in it's various versions, including the "pro"(ha!) version, is a totally criminally bad piece of garbage, which can be bought for $12-20 from secondary sources, since it is such an incredibly cheap piece of s**t. I would like to personally assassinate the idiots who designed it & any of the various so-called "high end" manufacturers who have &/or are using the f***ng thing. Are my feelings about it clear enough? Or am I being to subtle? I don't know the CD-10 specifically, but if the disc tray has a curved cutout under the disc for the laser travel, then it is a CDM-1/2/4 or 9, which are the good ones. But, if it is a bitstream dac unit, it will have smooth top, but feeble bass. If it's a 16bit/4X or better dac unit, then it will sound quite good overall. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 3:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] Phillips/Marantz CD mechanisms > > Hi everyone, > > Hope you've all had a great New Year Eve's party! For those that are still > sober, I'll like to ask a question please. It has been said a few times that > the older Phillips CD mechanisms are far superior to the current plasticky > CDM12 series and are much more reliable. Does anyone here have any > experience with the Marantz CD-10 CD player? I understand this uses an older > Phillips CD mechanism? Perhaps the CDM4 or something similar? Is this CD > player any good as an integrated or better as a CD transport only? Also, > what would be a reasonable price for it? Thanks in advance for any answers, > much appreciated! > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Tue Jan 1 03:16:06 2002 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 02:16:06 GMT Subject: [naktalk] Phillips/Marantz CD mechanisms In-Reply-To: <029c01c19262$381a9100$403442cf@sank1> References: <029c01c19262$381a9100$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3c321b39.74408902@mail.voicenet.com> On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:18:27 -0700, "Stephen Sank" wrote: >Yes, the CDM-12 in it's various versions, including the "pro"(ha!) version, >is a totally criminally bad piece of garbage, which can be bought for $12-20 >from secondary sources, since it is such an incredibly cheap piece of s**t. >I would like to personally assassinate the idiots who designed it & any of >the various so-called "high end" manufacturers who have &/or are using the >f***ng thing. Are my feelings about it clear enough? Or am I being to >subtle? > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com Yikes! That wassail sure brings out the animal in you! Grrrrrr! Seriously, a Very Happy New Year to everyone on the list!!! :-) Michael 'FabFourFan' Patrick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Tue Jan 1 15:01:42 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:01:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] happy newyear References: <003e01c191d8$d9b70be0$57f03f50@opasia.dk> <023901c19238$94906740$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c192cc$d72fc3e0$b0f03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Stephen well, that's me in a nutshell - and what my wife use to say! I'll forgive myself and proceed to next year. Best wishes. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] happy newyear > I saw your newsgroup posting & the response. Your post was recognised by > everyone as a "troll", i.e., just a goof to provoke responses. You should > have been more subtle! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ole thofte" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:55 AM > Subject: [naktalk] happy newyear > > > Hi all! > Happy Newyear - it's been fun to be in this group form just 2 mths (1500 > messages in that time) and I already had my hifi-virus activated. Gone out > spending money on the Behringer Ultra Curve 8024 digital equalizer. Haven't > got it yet due to Christmass but it's waiting at the Postoffice. - By the > way: Stephen, I posted a message at rec.audio.pro saying that Behringer was > a great company. To my great disappointment I just got 1 answer saying: "You > must be joking!" > Ole Thofte > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Jan 1 23:28:09 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:28:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable Message-ID: <69.1fdb7dfd.296391f9@aol.com> OK guys, help me out here? What's so special about SME? It seems all audiophiles swear by them and I don't understand what's the big deal. Thanks in advance for your help with my "baby" question. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jan 2 15:51:09 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 21:51:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Worlds best turntable References: <69.1fdb7dfd.296391f9@aol.com> Message-ID: <001f01c1939c$ea812d00$48289bca@smarzuki> Oh ... my ... God .... tx finally sold for $3,500 !!! And he wasn't wufwuf ! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1313540761 Sam, I only tried older sme 3009/2 and /3 and imho they sound more 'solid', can't give better explanation or description .. sorry. Similar unexplained thing also occured in my mind when switching from mass market table to thorens 125 - also between that 125 and direct drive kenwood 550, but too many variables involved ! Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Thu Jan 3 14:07:48 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:07:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] test Message-ID: <000a01c19457$a4754920$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> testmail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Jan 5 05:22:37 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:22:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dealer Transport Display on ebay References: <69.1fdb7dfd.296391f9@aol.com> <001f01c1939c$ea812d00$48289bca@smarzuki> <001001c19598$f4202700$07ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C367F87.4D0D17A4@snet.net> Here's an interesting item that's worth taking a look at. I've been told by the tech that I got this from that it is the Dragon transport, but I'm not totally convinced. It's a neat piece of Nak history. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315781397 Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Sat Jan 5 05:09:03 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 05:09:03 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT): Kudos for Electrocompaniet and Monster Cable Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Jan 5 06:58:48 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:58:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT): Kudos for Electrocompaniet and Monster Cable References: Message-ID: <3C369617.E984FA3A@earthlink.net> Happy New Year, Sam and thanks for the heads up on MJ's new album. Per Abrahamson is the head honcho at Electrocompaniet. The company has a bit of a reputation amongst recording engineers in the know for manufacturing and designing power amps that work extremely well in control room monitoring situations. Their top of the line $15,000 600 watt Nemo monoblock amplifiers (note the aquatic name) were originally designed specifically to power the B & W Nautilus 801s (aquatic, once again), which are widely used as control room monitors in many recording studios. Electrocompaniet even makes sound reinforcement amplifiers, designed to be road worthy enough to take all the bumps and bruises dished out by life in the touring industry. By the way, for those who are interested, the new Electrocompaniet power amps are finally here! They will have their world wide premiere next week in Electrocompaniet's room at the Consumer Electronic Show in Las Vegas. The AW220 is a 75 watt per channel double dual differential amplifier right down to the dual power supplies. The amp can be bridged for a full 220 watts mono. The AW400 monoblocks are also double dual differential and put out, you guessed it, 400 watts each. The AW220 is slated to sell for $1995 each while the AW400 will go for $7495/pair. I can't wait to get my hands (and ears) on these amps. They are sure to have that sweet, full, detailed, holographic sound that Electrocompaniet is known for. Happy New Year, everyone! Jim Volpatti Sam Barr wrote: > > > Hi All, > > Happy New Year to you all. I declare that the year 2002 will be more > prosperous and filled with joy for you all than ever before! > > I had to take a moment and give kudos to Jim V as Electrocompaniet was > named as one of the audio companies who provided support on Michael > Jackson's new CD. Interestingly, monster cables were used for this > project as well. Audiophiles eat your heart out. (LOL) > > I do have a question for the group at large (or maybe Carlos or Stan), > listed in the new MJ CD is a recording process called "Quantum Range > Recording?" This particular CD was recorded, mixed, and mastered > using this process. It doesn't sound as "clean" as Shelia E's new > ProTools CD, but it's a nice recording. Is anyone familiar with this > process? Is this a new development in digital recording? > > For those interested, listed below is a list of the companies that > provided tech support. Way to go Jim V! > > Glenn Phoenix and Westlake Audio > > Electrocompaniet AS: Per Abrahamsen, Trond Braaten and Nils B. Kvam > (Jim, do you know these guys and the gear they used?) > > ASC (Acoustic Sciences Corp) > > Royer Microphone Labs > > Monster Cable Products > > Neuman Microphones > > AEA (Audio Engineering Associates) > > Looking forward to a wonderful year chatting with all of you. Cheers! > > -Sam > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click > Here > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jan 5 08:05:54 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:05:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system In-Reply-To: <029c01c19262$381a9100$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20020105070554.83202.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> I usually hate it when people post eBay auctions on Naktalk, but, this one really has to be seen. Plus Naktalk has been really quite lately. It's Nakamichi's original full line of stereo components from the 70's, in what seems to be excellent condition. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1316803679 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bvillere at theriver.com Sat Jan 5 09:11:59 2002 From: bvillere at theriver.com (Bruce J. Villere) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:11:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dealer Transport Display on ebay In-Reply-To: <3C367F87.4D0D17A4@snet.net> References: <69.1fdb7dfd.296391f9@aol.com> <001f01c1939c$ea812d00$48289bca@smarzuki> <001001c19598$f4202700$07ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C367F87.4D0D17A4@snet.net> Message-ID: Let me try this again without hitting the send key before finishing... I'm not sure that this is a Dragon Transport per sé; it appears to have an auto-adjust azimuth unit on it, but the mechanical counter doesn't fit. It really looks like it was designed as a display, and perhaps doesn't match any specific model entirely. I'm sure there are tech's out there on naktalk that have seen enough Nak cassette 'innards' to weigh in on this...Dragon or not, it still looks like a prize piece! BV >Here's an interesting item that's worth taking a look at. I've been >told by the tech >that I got this from that it is the Dragon transport, but I'm not >totally convinced. >It's a neat piece of Nak history. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315781397 > >Ed > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bvillere at theriver.com Sat Jan 5 09:04:38 2002 From: bvillere at theriver.com (Bruce J. Villere) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 01:04:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dealer Transport Display on ebay In-Reply-To: <3C367F87.4D0D17A4@snet.net> References: <69.1fdb7dfd.296391f9@aol.com> <001f01c1939c$ea812d00$48289bca@smarzuki> <001001c19598$f4202700$07ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C367F87.4D0D17A4@snet.net> Message-ID: I'm not sure that it is a Dragon per s >Here's an interesting item that's worth taking a look at. I've been >told by the tech >that I got this from that it is the Dragon transport, but I'm not >totally convinced. >It's a neat piece of Nak history. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315781397 > >Ed > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 5 10:17:04 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:17:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dealer Transport Display on ebay References: <69.1fdb7dfd.296391f9@aol.com> <001f01c1939c$ea812d00$48289bca@smarzuki> <001001c19598$f4202700$07ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <3C367F87.4D0D17A4@snet.net> Message-ID: <009301c195c9$be4f07a0$453442cf@sank1> It's a 680 transport. You can tell by the mechanical counter, the belt drive capstan motor, and the azimuth drive box for the record head auto-azimuth. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce J. Villere" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dealer Transport Display on ebay > Let me try this again without hitting the send key before finishing... > > I'm not sure that this is a Dragon Transport per s�; it appears to > have an auto-adjust azimuth unit on it, but the mechanical counter > doesn't fit. It really looks like it was designed as a display, and > perhaps doesn't match any specific model entirely. I'm sure there are > tech's out there on naktalk that have seen enough Nak cassette > 'innards' to weigh in on this...Dragon or not, it still looks like a > prize piece! > > BV > > >Here's an interesting item that's worth taking a look at. I've been > >told by the tech > >that I got this from that it is the Dragon transport, but I'm not > >totally convinced. > >It's a neat piece of Nak history. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315781397 > > > >Ed > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 5 12:24:05 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:24:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system In-Reply-To: <20020105070554.83202.qmail@web13104.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c195db$7c17de40$b3b087d9@a4s1s2> Notice the "It has been my pride and joy for many years, but because of our new baby, we feel we have to let it go." Sacrifice the Nak for a baby?! Hmmm .... must be one of those "new" men .... --- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1316803679 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jan 5 13:12:41 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:12:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system References: <000201c195db$7c17de40$b3b087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005a01c195e2$461df340$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Graham there's the nice touch of empathy. I think we've all been there at some time or other. I think this seller who is a nice guy (see the feedback on ebay) has bought a little too much stuff and now it's too much for his wife. Maybe it's really the size of the thing or the hifi-room that's being attacked. Now there's another known issue in a marriage.(I once had to give up my 9 feet tall, 4 feet wide ribbon loudspeakers that was my pride at the time, but I made a good compromize and had my way with some other stuff). So the bottom line is that you have to find a compromize that both parties can live with or the marriage will not work even if he starts by giving in. The result in the long run will be: He will regret it and it will be a dent in the marriage; probably there will be other battles about equipment in the future and the same necessary compromize has to be worked through. Also: He doesn't realize that this item has a characterbuilding potential for the baby: listen to music, talking about the old days and craftmanship etc, which the proud father will share with the child. Conclusion: it seems he needs some support from the Nak-group to withdraw this pearl from the auction. All members must send a supporting email - how's that. Maybe even collect the means for a small loan (10 $ a member) might do it............. Ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nak system Notice the "It has been my pride and joy for many years, but because of our new baby, we feel we have to let it go." Sacrifice the Nak for a baby?! Hmmm .... must be one of those "new" men .... --- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1316803679 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 5 13:33:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 12:33:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system In-Reply-To: <005a01c195e2$461df340$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <000801c195e5$29d10c60$b3a387d9@a4s1s2> Ole Excellent idea! Plan A can be the letters ..... Plan B is the collection ..... and Plan C will be to suggest he sends the baby to play in the road or to leave some power sockets open with nice little sweeties stuck to the live wire .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 05 January 2002 12:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system Hi Graham there's the nice touch of empathy. I think we've all been there at some time or other. I think this seller who is a nice guy (see the feedback on ebay) has bought a little too much stuff and now it's too much for his wife. Maybe it's really the size of the thing or the hifi-room that's being attacked. Now there's another known issue in a marriage.(I once had to give up my 9 feet tall, 4 feet wide ribbon loudspeakers that was my pride at the time, but I made a good compromize and had my way with some other stuff). So the bottom line is that you have to find a compromize that both parties can live with or the marriage will not work even if he starts by giving in. The result in the long run will be: He will regret it and it will be a dent in the marriage; probably there will be other battles about equipment in the future and the same necessary compromize has to be worked through. Also: He doesn't realize that this item has a characterbuilding potential for the baby: listen to music, talking about the old days and craftmanship etc, which the proud father will share with the child. Conclusion: it seems he needs some support from the Nak-group to withdraw this pearl from the auction. All members must send a supporting email - how's that. Maybe even collect the means for a small loan (10 $ a member) might do it............. Ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jan 5 13:47:12 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:47:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system References: <000801c195e5$29d10c60$b3a387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <007f01c195e7$18f86300$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Graham Now you're not being so empathetic. Remember we're talking of a potential future member of the Nak-comunity. My motto is: be nice to the Nak'ing wife and children! Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nak system Ole Excellent idea! Plan A can be the letters ..... Plan B is the collection ..... and Plan C will be to suggest he sends the baby to play in the road or to leave some power sockets open with nice little sweeties stuck to the live wire .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ole thofte Sent: 05 January 2002 12:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system Hi Graham there's the nice touch of empathy. I think we've all been there at some time or other. I think this seller who is a nice guy (see the feedback on ebay) has bought a little too much stuff and now it's too much for his wife. Maybe it's really the size of the thing or the hifi-room that's being attacked. Now there's another known issue in a marriage.(I once had to give up my 9 feet tall, 4 feet wide ribbon loudspeakers that was my pride at the time, but I made a good compromize and had my way with some other stuff). So the bottom line is that you have to find a compromize that both parties can live with or the marriage will not work even if he starts by giving in. The result in the long run will be: He will regret it and it will be a dent in the marriage; probably there will be other battles about equipment in the future and the same necessary compromize has to be worked through. Also: He doesn't realize that this item has a characterbuilding potential for the baby: listen to music, talking about the old days and craftmanship etc, which the proud father will share with the child. Conclusion: it seems he needs some support from the Nak-group to withdraw this pearl from the auction. All members must send a supporting email - how's that. Maybe even collect the means for a small loan (10 $ a member) might do it............. Ole thofte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Jan 5 14:29:23 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 08:29:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system References: <000801c195e5$29d10c60$b3a387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001801c195ec$fd8a3c00$94ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Graham Stop picking on the child, its not his/her fault its the wife, time for a new one worked for me :-) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > Ole > > Excellent idea! Plan A can be the letters ..... Plan B is the collection > ..... and Plan C will be to suggest he sends the baby to play in the road or > to leave some power sockets open with nice little sweeties stuck to the live > wire .... > > Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 05 January 2002 12:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > > > Hi Graham > there's the nice touch of empathy. I think we've all been there at some > time or other. I think this seller who is a nice guy (see the feedback on > ebay) has bought a little too much stuff and now it's too much for his wife. > Maybe it's really the size of the thing or the hifi-room that's being > attacked. Now there's another known issue in a marriage.(I once had to give > up my 9 feet tall, 4 feet wide ribbon loudspeakers that was my pride at the > time, but I made a good compromize and had my way with some other stuff). So > the bottom line is that you have to find a compromize that both parties can > live with or the marriage will not work even if he starts by giving in. The > result in the long run will be: He will regret it and it will be a dent in > the marriage; probably there will be other battles about equipment in the > future and the same necessary compromize has to be worked through. > Also: He doesn't realize that this item has a characterbuilding potential > for the baby: listen to music, talking about the old days and craftmanship > etc, which the proud father will share with the child. > Conclusion: it seems he needs some support from the Nak-group to > withdraw this pearl from the auction. All members must send a supporting > email - how's that. Maybe even collect the means for a small loan (10 $ a > member) might do it............. > Ole thofte > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 5 15:36:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:36:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system In-Reply-To: <001801c195ec$fd8a3c00$94ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001101c195f6$64d293e0$b3a387d9@a4s1s2> Warren I think you have it! While my wife is away with the children I think I'll move house without leaving a forwarding address .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 05 January 2002 01:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system Graham Stop picking on the child, its not his/her fault its the wife, time for a new one worked for me :-) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > Ole > > Excellent idea! Plan A can be the letters ..... Plan B is the collection > ..... and Plan C will be to suggest he sends the baby to play in the road or > to leave some power sockets open with nice little sweeties stuck to the live > wire .... > > Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ole thofte > Sent: 05 January 2002 12:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > > > Hi Graham > there's the nice touch of empathy. I think we've all been there at some > time or other. I think this seller who is a nice guy (see the feedback on > ebay) has bought a little too much stuff and now it's too much for his wife. > Maybe it's really the size of the thing or the hifi-room that's being > attacked. Now there's another known issue in a marriage.(I once had to give > up my 9 feet tall, 4 feet wide ribbon loudspeakers that was my pride at the > time, but I made a good compromize and had my way with some other stuff). So > the bottom line is that you have to find a compromize that both parties can > live with or the marriage will not work even if he starts by giving in. The > result in the long run will be: He will regret it and it will be a dent in > the marriage; probably there will be other battles about equipment in the > future and the same necessary compromize has to be worked through. > Also: He doesn't realize that this item has a characterbuilding potential > for the baby: listen to music, talking about the old days and craftmanship > etc, which the proud father will share with the child. > Conclusion: it seems he needs some support from the Nak-group to > withdraw this pearl from the auction. All members must send a supporting > email - how's that. Maybe even collect the means for a small loan (10 $ a > member) might do it............. > Ole thofte > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Jan 5 17:06:49 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:06:49 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system References: <001801c195ec$fd8a3c00$94ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: It's sure worked for me as well! (I'll tell you what - she's hearing difference in between solidstate (a nice old Nak BTW) and tube SE amp! And she loves LP!) Misha >its the wife, time for a new one >worked for me :-) >Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sat Jan 5 18:52:57 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:52:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Behringer 8024 equalizer Message-ID: <007c01c19611$cf6074a0$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Greetings and happy new year to all! I have now a working Behringer 8024 in my system set up between the cd player (analog output) and my Decware Zen-SET-amp. It's just plugged in without problems and I now need to measure the accoustic behaviour of the room before going on. Kind of exciting. It sounds OK so far: Adds a little air to cymbals I think. I'll let you know further on. In the meantime go see: http://www.geocities.com/oviktor/aud6.html. Here's a Nak-guy who doesn't admit it. But he uses the Behringer and enjoyes it. 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I've been told by the tech > that I got this from that it is the Dragon transport, but I'm not totally convinced. > It's a neat piece of Nak history. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1315781397 > > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Sun Jan 6 02:25:58 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:25:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] sys1 Nak system Message-ID: <003a01c19651$195b5d60$61d36bd8@djkjrhilw5x06s> > >its the wife, time for a new one > >worked for me :-) > >Warren > Gotta say its the wife, Now I have not one, but two ! System ones that is! First wife not into it, second wife gives me the audible space. If you notice in the guys pic the sys 1 has a nice baby blanket for night night, His heart is in the right place. Damon .....Poligimist Nakker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 6 01:39:28 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:39:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Complete Nak system References: <001101c195f6$64d293e0$b3a387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <012901c1964a$e4fcbec0$453442cf@sank1> Graham, you really should seek psychiatric help.=) For the sake of accuracy, I would just like to point out that the 430 tuner does not belong in the System One. The 630 tuner/preamp belongs in there. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:36 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > Warren > > I think you have it! While my wife is away with the children I think I'll > move house without leaving a forwarding address .... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: 05 January 2002 01:29 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > > > Graham > Stop picking on the child, its not his/her fault > its the wife, time for a new one > worked for me :-) > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 7:33 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > > > > Ole > > > > Excellent idea! Plan A can be the letters ..... Plan B is the collection > > ..... and Plan C will be to suggest he sends the baby to play in the road > or > > to leave some power sockets open with nice little sweeties stuck to the > live > > wire .... > > > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > ole thofte > > Sent: 05 January 2002 12:13 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Complete Nak system > > > > > > Hi Graham > > there's the nice touch of empathy. I think we've all been there at some > > time or other. I think this seller who is a nice guy (see the feedback on > > ebay) has bought a little too much stuff and now it's too much for his > wife. > > Maybe it's really the size of the thing or the hifi-room that's being > > attacked. Now there's another known issue in a marriage.(I once had to > give > > up my 9 feet tall, 4 feet wide ribbon loudspeakers that was my pride at > the > > time, but I made a good compromize and had my way with some other stuff). > So > > the bottom line is that you have to find a compromize that both parties > can > > live with or the marriage will not work even if he starts by giving in. > The > > result in the long run will be: He will regret it and it will be a dent > in > > the marriage; probably there will be other battles about equipment in the > > future and the same necessary compromize has to be worked through. > > Also: He doesn't realize that this item has a characterbuilding > potential > > for the baby: listen to music, talking about the old days and craftmanship > > etc, which the proud father will share with the child. > > Conclusion: it seems he needs some support from the Nak-group to > > withdraw this pearl from the auction. All members must send a supporting > > email - how's that. Maybe even collect the means for a small loan (10 $ a > > member) might do it............. > > Ole thofte > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 6 03:21:23 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 02:21:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... In-Reply-To: <20011211221749.10786.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c19658$d5bb60c0$42ba87d9@a4s1s2> A couple or so weeks ago we were talking about long interconnect cables. It was mentioned that getting low capacitance cable was hard to find. This got me thinking of looking at the longer cables that are used for systems inside cars .... I came across a couple or so different cables on e-Bay and bought two different types. One which pleases me very much is Phoenix Gold, of which there are some lengths presently being auctioned on e-Bay at silly prices ... if anyone's interested, you can get a 20' length for just $15. I got a 16' length and am going to get a couple more @ 13' ($14 each) as the satellite decoder and VHS machine are quite a distance from my pre-amp. At that price you can't go wrong. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Sun Jan 6 02:32:28 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 02:32:28 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT): Kudos for Electrocompaniet and Monster Cable Message-ID: Hi Jim, Nice to know, thanks for the info. Are you attending this year's CES? Is anyone on this list attending? It should prove very interesting this year. Just wondering if anyone was going, if they could fill me in on the latest developments/progress with recordable DVD and SACD. Also, to check out the McIntosh room and report on the "sound" of the new MA6900. Jim, hit me up offline from NakTalkers when you have a chance my friend. Be blessed! -SamTheMan! >From: Jim Volpatti >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT): Kudos for Electrocompaniet and >Monster Cable >Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 21:58:48 -0800 >Happy New Year, Sam and thanks for the heads up on MJ's new album. > >Per Abrahamson is the head honcho at Electrocompaniet. The company has a >bit of a reputation amongst recording engineers in the know for >manufacturing and designing power amps that work extremely well in >control room monitoring situations. Their top of the line $15,000 600 >watt Nemo monoblock amplifiers (note the aquatic name) were originally >designed specifically to power the B & W Nautilus 801s (aquatic, once >again), which are widely used as control room monitors in many recording >studios. Electrocompaniet even makes sound reinforcement amplifiers, >designed to be road worthy enough to take all the bumps and bruises >dished out by life in the touring industry. > >By the way, for those who are interested, the new Electrocompaniet power >amps are finally here! They will have their world wide premiere next >week in Electrocompaniet's room at the Consumer Electronic Show in Las >Vegas. The AW220 is a 75 watt per channel double dual differential >amplifier right down to the dual power supplies. The amp can be bridged >for a full 220 watts mono. The AW400 monoblocks are also double dual >differential and put out, you guessed it, 400 watts each. The AW220 is >slated to sell for $1995 each while the AW400 will go for $7495/pair. I >can't wait to get my hands (and ears) on these amps. They are sure to >have that sweet, full, detailed, holographic sound that Electrocompaniet >is known for. > >Happy New Year, everyone! > >Jim Volpatti > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 03:44:50 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 18:44:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000e01c19658$d5bb60c0$42ba87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C37BA22.CA7D0BFB@earthlink.net> While low capacitance interconnect cables help, so does low output impedance from the source and high input impedance on the other end. I'm vaguely familiar with Phoenix Gold. If I'm not mistaken, their primary design philosophy involves the use of shielded (important in cars) twisted pair cable. I'm not sure if STP cable offers inherently low capacitance though. Anyone else? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > A couple or so weeks ago we were talking about long interconnect cables. It > was mentioned that getting low capacitance cable was hard to find. This > got me thinking of looking at the longer cables that are used for systems > inside cars .... I came across a couple or so different cables on e-Bay and > bought two different types. One which pleases me very much is Phoenix Gold, > of which there are some lengths presently being auctioned on e-Bay at silly > prices ... if anyone's interested, you can get a 20' length for just $15. I > got a 16' length and am going to get a couple more @ 13' ($14 each) as the > satellite decoder and VHS machine are quite a distance from my pre-amp. At > that price you can't go wrong. > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Jan 6 04:29:50 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:29:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT): Kudos for Electrocompaniet and Monster Cable References: Message-ID: <3C37C4AE.7031D55C@earthlink.net> I'm definitely going to CES. I'm leaving Tuesday morning and returning Friday night. Is anyone else going? It would be great to greet the faces behind the names on NakTalk. If McIntosh's demo room is at the St Tropez or Tuscany hotel, I'd be more than happy to stop by for a listen, Sam. I'm assuming the MA6900 is their new integrated. And speaking of McIntosh, I just delivered a pair of Silverline Sonata speakers to a customer for an in-home audition. He has a pair of Martin Logan Prodigy that work extremely well driven by the InnerSound Electrostatic Amplifier. He's decided to use the Prodigy for home theater use and wants a dynamic speaker for music. He has a Mac MC2000 130 watt triode amp which he was using with the Prodigy, with poor results. Based on what I heard I unfairly blamed the amp when in retrospect, it was merely a poor match with the electrostatic speakers. With the Sonata, the MC2000 sounded fantastic! Wonderfully transparent, warm and open with great soundstaging too. I should have known better, given the fact that the Sonata was designed using tube amps as a reference. Indeed, with it's flat 8 ohm impedance curve and 96 dB efficiency, it is very tube friendly. Imaging wasn't what I expected but my customer blames that on the Mac preamp. Anyway, I was really impressed. It seems to be a decent value too, despite it's $15,000 price, given the build quality, performance and limited production. It would be very interesting to compare it with my $15,000 600 watt solid state Electrocompaniet monoblocks and my $9000 250 watt tetrode, 125 watt triode Manley Neo Classic 250 monoblocks. Jim Volpatti Sam Barr wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Nice to know, thanks for the info. Are you attending this year's CES? Is > anyone on this list attending? It should prove very interesting this year. > Just wondering if anyone was going, if they could fill me in on the latest > developments/progress with recordable DVD and SACD. Also, to check out the > McIntosh room and report on the "sound" of the new MA6900. Jim, hit me up > offline from NakTalkers when you have a chance my friend. Be blessed! > > -SamTheMan! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 6 07:08:05 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:08:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Head Cleaning Swabs References: <004b01c19649$40a1a940$f2c79d40@compaq> Message-ID: <017e01c19678$822095a0$453442cf@sank1> Stick to wood shaft surgical type Q-tips. Chamois & foam types are worthless. The only way to effectively clean the pb head is to carefully pull off the pad lifter & then clean the head. You just have to use a bit of care putting it back on, so as not to scratch the head surface & to get it on there straight. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Head Cleaning Swabs I'll like to ask the group what kind of head cleaning swabs they use and where I can purchase them. I'm looking for some cleaning swabs which can reach under the pressure pad lifter (this of course is done with the removal of the cassette door and the mechanism in the pause mode). The Radio Shack catalog list the item 44-1094 package of 10 at $2.99 Are these the ones to buy or any suggestions? As always, thanks for your input. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 6 10:32:17 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:32:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax References: <000301c1962c$ee095140$b29d87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001401c19695$0912b900$4d289bca@smarzuki> there was a warning about this virus a while ago .. turned out to be a hoax. anyway, does anybody else receive attachment "rmkeys.exe" ? bigbear, seems like your comp sending things out. i got it twice. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax Sorry - I accidentally deleted the posting that came around earlier. Was that hoax naming: sulfnbk.exe this being a legit' file??? 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Brett ------------------------------------------------------ At 16:32 6/01/2002 +0700, you wrote: > >there was a warning about this virus a while ago .. turned out to be a >hoax. anyway, does anybody else receive attachment "rmkeys.exe" >? bigbear, seems like your comp sending things out. i got it twice. > >cheers, >salim sm > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Graham Nelson >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:07 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax > >Sorry - I accidentally deleted the posting that came around earlier. Was >that hoax naming: >sulfnbk.exe > >this being a legit' file??? > >Gra' bgdickel at paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/bgdickel/brett.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 6 12:48:56 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:48:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... In-Reply-To: <3C37BA22.CA7D0BFB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002201c196a8$1f26e780$42ba87d9@a4s1s2> Yes, you're right, Jim, that they are twisted pair cable. But there is no shielding as such - just a fairly heavy duty clear plastic sheath covering the cable. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 06 January 2002 02:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... While low capacitance interconnect cables help, so does low output impedance from the source and high input impedance on the other end. I'm vaguely familiar with Phoenix Gold. If I'm not mistaken, their primary design philosophy involves the use of shielded (important in cars) twisted pair cable. I'm not sure if STP cable offers inherently low capacitance though. Anyone else? Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From judd at ob-wan.com Mon Jan 7 05:33:46 2002 From: judd at ob-wan.com (Rob Judd) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 23:33:46 EST Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000-II Message-ID: <200201061232.g06CWGo51234@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> Hi guys, There was a listing a while ago for manuals off the net. Unfortunately the user/pass no longer works. Any clues? Rob Judd Australia ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jan 6 13:35:43 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:35:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Behringer 8024 equalizer References: <007c01c19611$cf6074a0$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <002101c196ae$a87c9f60$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Hi again: The 8024 is now worked into my system. I had some trouble finding out hoe to measure the room accoustics using the built-inn Auto-Q. But in the end the this was measured and a non too straight line representing 20Hz - 20kHz was there. This curve can be edited for use as equalizer. So I did: it turned out to be 5-6 dB down from 100 Hz and 2,5dB rize from 2kHz up to 5 dB rize at 20 kHz, kind of like a flat inverted S laid down. Theres an A/B choice and compared to before there's a lot more details in the treble without harshness I think. The bass seems more defined, and the actions like a pianohammer or a stick on a cymbal sounds more real to me. I haven't really had any problems, even if my connectores and cables are the cheapest possible and I'm running analog. I'll probably buy the digital inputboard which is optional (about 100$), but it means I'll have to buy a converter from the AES/EBU to SP-DIF. This is at least another 100$ if I can't find some local guy who knews how to build this. They say it's not to complicated...but who's doing the building. Then again there seems to be a lot of interest about this "cheap room correction" in Denmark even if it seems to herecy to some. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: ole thofte To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Behringer 8024 equalizer Greetings and happy new year to all! I have now a working Behringer 8024 in my system set up between the cd player (analog output) and my Decware Zen-SET-amp. It's just plugged in without problems and I now need to measure the accoustic behaviour of the room before going on. Kind of exciting. It sounds OK so far: Adds a little air to cymbals I think. I'll let you know further on. In the meantime go see: http://www.geocities.com/oviktor/aud6.html. Here's a Nak-guy who doesn't admit it. But he uses the Behringer and enjoyes it. Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Sun Jan 6 13:53:41 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:53:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Behringer 8024 equalizer References: <007c01c19611$cf6074a0$adf03f50@opasia.dk> <002101c196ae$a87c9f60$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <003d01c196b1$2ac64820$adf03f50@opasia.dk> I just forgot an interesting link, where a commercial hornbuilder use the 8024 as an integrated part of the (expensive) purchase. http://www.cornu.purespace.de/horn_e.html Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: ole thofte To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Behringer 8024 equalizer Hi again: The 8024 is now worked into my system. I had some trouble finding out hoe to measure the room accoustics using the built-inn Auto-Q. But in the end the this was measured and a non too straight line representing 20Hz - 20kHz was there. This curve can be edited for use as equalizer. So I did: it turned out to be 5-6 dB down from 100 Hz and 2,5dB rize from 2kHz up to 5 dB rize at 20 kHz, kind of like a flat inverted S laid down. Theres an A/B choice and compared to before there's a lot more details in the treble without harshness I think. The bass seems more defined, and the actions like a pianohammer or a stick on a cymbal sounds more real to me. I haven't really had any problems, even if my connectores and cables are the cheapest possible and I'm running analog. I'll probably buy the digital inputboard which is optional (about 100$), but it means I'll have to buy a converter from the AES/EBU to SP-DIF. This is at least another 100$ if I can't find some local guy who knews how to build this. They say it's not to complicated...but who's doing the building. Then again there seems to be a lot of interest about this "cheap room correction" in Denmark even if it seems to herecy to some. Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: ole thofte To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Behringer 8024 equalizer Greetings and happy new year to all! I have now a working Behringer 8024 in my system set up between the cd player (analog output) and my Decware Zen-SET-amp. It's just plugged in without problems and I now need to measure the accoustic behaviour of the room before going on. Kind of exciting. It sounds OK so far: Adds a little air to cymbals I think. I'll let you know further on. In the meantime go see: http://www.geocities.com/oviktor/aud6.html. Here's a Nak-guy who doesn't admit it. But he uses the Behringer and enjoyes it. Ole -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do not open e-mail messages from folks I don't know. Sorry if I did anything wrong here. Really wouldn't want to do anything to hurt the Naktalk group. ---------------------------------- there was a warning about this virus a while ago .. turned out to be a hoax. anyway, does anybody else receive attachment "rmkeys.exe" ? bigbear, seems like your comp sending things out. i got it twice. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax Sorry - I accidentally deleted the posting that came around earlier. Was that hoax naming: sulfnbk.exe this being a legit' file??? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joelll at genericdomain.net Sun Jan 6 21:13:36 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:13:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] correct URL, username and password for the online manuals Message-ID: Hello, The correct URL is http://support.naks.com/support Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which are as follows: username: naktalk password: limited joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Sun Jan 6 21:39:00 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:39:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question Message-ID: Hi, I just bought a Nakamichi DR-8 used, and I have a question about it. I first tried taping over a TDK MA tape that I had previously recorded over with a crappy deck. I noticed that, on playback, the sound level was MUCH stronger in the right channel than the left. So I tried a brand new TDK MA tape and recorded the same piece of music. The playback was perfect. So I went out and bought a tape eraser and erased the old tape completely. The problem still exists, but it is not as severe. Is there some issue with taping over tapes even if they've been erased before? Is a "virgin" tape the best way to go? Is there something wrong with my Nak deck? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Sun Jan 6 22:03:44 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:03:44 EST Subject: [naktalk] SME arm Message-ID: <6.21f62432.296a15b0@aol.com> In a message dated 1/4/02 7:09:08 AM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: << Similar unexplained thing also occured in my mind when switching from mass market table to thorens 125 - also between that 125 and direct drive kenwood 550 >> What do you think of the KD-550, I have the KD-500 with a SAEC WE-308 tonearm. I amusing an AT Signet TK5E cartridge, I would like to get a TK7E, or a Grado Platinum on it. I have a Sumiko Blue Point but I don't know I just don't like it. Common complaint I guess. The big upgrade is to put a VPI JMW 10 on the KD-500, or more likely if it's better a Linn like Ariston Audio RD-11s. I understand it's actually a predecessor to the Linn LP-12, and the grandaddy of them all the AR-XA. I have that, a Pro-ject 1.2, a Thorens TD-145 all need a little work except for the Thorens. DagWood "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jan 6 22:17:43 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:17:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax References: <000301c1962c$ee095140$b29d87d9@a4s1s2> <001401c19695$0912b900$4d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C38BEF7.4A266E4F@concentric.net> I received two 70K messages from bigbear69. One subject line was !"#$, the other, [naktalk]!"#$. Both passed Norton Antivirus unscathed, but wound up in my SPAM directory, where they caught my attention. I deleted both without looking at them (better safe than sorry). This kind of thing is happening with increasing frequency. I hate it... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jan 6 22:24:22 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:24:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question References: Message-ID: <3C38C086.BE2BA429@concentric.net> Erik Lotspeich wrote: > > Hi, > > I just bought a Nakamichi DR-8 used, and I have a question about it. I > first tried taping over a TDK MA tape that I had previously recorded over > with a crappy deck. I noticed that, on playback, the sound level was MUCH > stronger in the right channel than the left. So I tried a brand new TDK > MA tape and recorded the same piece of music. The playback was perfect. > > So I went out and bought a tape eraser and erased the old tape completely. > The problem still exists, but it is not as severe. > > Is there some issue with taping over tapes even if they've been erased > before? Is a "virgin" tape the best way to go? Is there something wrong > with my Nak deck? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Erik. I have recorded over older material many times. Sometimes, after bulk erasing; sometimes, without. I have never seen this problem. I wonder if your 'crappy deck' managed to curl or crease one edge of the tape -- that would do it. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Jan 6 22:20:15 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:20:15 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BEB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Erik, Have a look at the tape and see if there are any grooves in it. Usually tapes that have been played in crappy machines may leave their "trade mark" on the tape. Grooves in the tape affect the recording & playback, sometimes by a little bit and sometimes by a lot. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Erik Lotspeich [mailto:erikvcl at silcom.com] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 7:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question Hi, I just bought a Nakamichi DR-8 used, and I have a question about it. I first tried taping over a TDK MA tape that I had previously recorded over with a crappy deck. I noticed that, on playback, the sound level was MUCH stronger in the right channel than the left. So I tried a brand new TDK MA tape and recorded the same piece of music. The playback was perfect. So I went out and bought a tape eraser and erased the old tape completely. The problem still exists, but it is not as severe. Is there some issue with taping over tapes even if they've been erased before? Is a "virgin" tape the best way to go? Is there something wrong with my Nak deck? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 6 22:58:17 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:58:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax References: <000701c196de$d43f2a20$fb243941@compaq> Message-ID: <01f801c196fd$3fcd5c80$453442cf@sank1> Fortunately, executable attachments(.exe, .pif. .bat, etc.) are real obvious "don't open, delete" files to any of us with half a brain about computers, so no harm done here. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Virus Hoax I believe I did received this and since I believed it was from 'Naktalk' I tried opening it up. I do not open e-mail messages from folks I don't know. Sorry if I did anything wrong here. Really wouldn't want to do anything to hurt the Naktalk group. ---------------------------------- there was a warning about this virus a while ago .. turned out to be a hoax. anyway, does anybody else receive attachment "rmkeys.exe" ? bigbear, seems like your comp sending things out. i got it twice. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Virus Hoax Sorry - I accidentally deleted the posting that came around earlier. Was that hoax naming: sulfnbk.exe this being a legit' file??? Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From Marc at Stager.com Mon Jan 7 00:09:34 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 18:09:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 In-Reply-To: <02f001c189e4$0085c4c0$0f3442cf@sank1> References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> <3C22C96A.34B51282@snet.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020106180008.01f7c410@mail.verizon.net> To Steve and other Nak mavens: On my MR-1 I played a cassette recorded on another deck. On sustained notes there was a very audible fast flutter. I then made a 3K recording from a signal generator. Same problem - steady, very rapid flutter. It sounds like it could be electronically rather than mechanically generated - an oscillation rather than a change of capstan speed - or the capstans are being made to cause the flutter due to an electronic fault. Clue: The variable speed control is not working now. No effect. When normal there is a pronounced change of pitch. Any ideas? ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 7 00:31:29 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:31:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 References: <000701c18992$d90b1fe0$b3b387d9@a4s1s2> <3C22C96A.34B51282@snet.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020106180008.01f7c410@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <023201c1970a$453bd220$453442cf@sank1> My first thought was a need for lubricant in the left cap shaft bearings, but then you say the pitch control has no effect. That is something I have never seen before. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps there is some odd malfunction of the 4066 CMOS chip that switches the control out for record mode. Beyond that, I'd need either to get more information or see the deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 > To Steve and other Nak mavens: > > On my MR-1 I played a cassette recorded on another deck. On > sustained notes there was a very audible fast flutter. I then made a > 3K recording from a signal generator. Same problem - steady, very > rapid flutter. It sounds like it could be electronically rather than > mechanically generated - an oscillation rather than a change of > capstan speed - or the capstans are being made to cause the flutter > due to an electronic fault. > > Clue: The variable speed control is not working now. No effect. When > normal there is a pronounced change of pitch. > > Any ideas? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Mon Jan 7 00:37:47 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:37:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SME arm Message-ID: <20020106.183747.-250011.0.josephj69@juno.com> I use the same arm - an SAEC WE-308 - on my Micro. The SAEC arms are superb, but more difficult that most to set up properly. They use non-standard geometry and should be set up according to the manual. Personally, I'd take the SAEC over a JMW arm any day, but then I never cared for the VPI arms. Keep in mind that the SAEC's are high mass arms. I'm not familiar with your Signet cartridge, but I can tell you the Grados are a bad match for the SAEC. I'd replace the rumble-prone Kenwood before the arm. - Joe > What do you think of the KD-550, I have the KD-500 with a SAEC > WE-308 tonearm. I amusing an AT Signet TK5E cartridge, I would like > to get a > TK7E, or a Grado Platinum on it. I have a Sumiko Blue Point but I > don't know > I just don't like it. Common complaint I guess. The big upgrade is > to put a > VPI JMW 10 on the KD-500, or more likely if it's better a Linn like > Ariston > Audio RD-11s. I understand it's actually a predecessor to the Linn > LP-12, and > the grandaddy of them all the AR-XA. I have that, a Pro-ject 1.2, a > Thorens > TD-145 all need a little work except for the Thorens. > DagWood > > "Tigers Older brother DAG" > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Mon Jan 7 00:46:34 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:46:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] SME arm Message-ID: In a message dated 1/6/02 5:41:19 PM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: You wouldn's happen to have a setup manual, or procedure for the SAEC would you? DagWood << I use the same arm - an SAEC WE-308 - on my Micro. The SAEC arms are superb, but more difficult that most to set up properly. They use non-standard geometry and should be set up according to the manual. Personally, I'd take the SAEC over a JMW arm any day, but then I never cared for the VPI arms. Keep in mind that the SAEC's are high mass arms. I'm not familiar with your Signet cartridge, but I can tell you the Grados are a bad match for the SAEC. I'd replace the rumble-prone Kenwood before the arm. - - Joe >> "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Jan 7 00:50:51 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:50:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] SME arm References: <6.21f62432.296a15b0@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c1970d$12595d20$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I can second the ariston, my rd-11s blows away most every linn I've put it against. erie > VPI JMW 10 on the KD-500, or more likely if it's better a Linn like Ariston > Audio RD-11s. I understand it's actually a predecessor to the Linn LP-12, and ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From judd at ob-wan.com Mon Jan 7 17:09:41 2002 From: judd at ob-wan.com (Rob Judd) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:09:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] correct URL, username and password for the online manuals Message-ID: <200201070008.g0708ci37272@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> Thanks Joel, looks like the password had been changed. Still no Nak 1000 manuals either. : ( Rob > >Hello, > >The correct URL is > >http://support.naks.com/support > >Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which >are as follows: >username: naktalk >password: limited > > > > >joel > >-- >Joel Herda >joelll at genericdomain.net >joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > >========-------------------------------------------------------------- ----========>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/ naktalk.html >========-------------------------------------------------------------- ----======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Mon Jan 7 02:25:11 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:25:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BEB@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Tom, I looked at my tape, and you're right. There are tiny grooves -- almost like slight creases. I've played these tapes in car stereos and the deck that recorded the tape. I wonder which one was doing this to it. I have few other questions since I'm new to the Nak world. 1. How useful is the Bias Adjust setting on my deck? How should this be used? 2. What does the "MPX Filter" setting do? 3. What kind of regular maintenance do I need to do on this deck? Regular cleanings I assume. But what about head demagnatizing, calibration, etc.? Thanks so much for all your help, Erik. On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Have a look at the tape and see if there are any grooves in it. > Usually tapes that have been played in crappy machines may leave their > "trade mark" on the tape. Grooves in the tape affect the recording & > playback, sometimes by a little bit and sometimes by a lot. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Lotspeich [mailto:erikvcl at silcom.com] > Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 7:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question > > > Hi, > > I just bought a Nakamichi DR-8 used, and I have a question about it. I > first tried taping over a TDK MA tape that I had previously recorded over > with a crappy deck. I noticed that, on playback, the sound level was MUCH > stronger in the right channel than the left. So I tried a brand new TDK > MA tape and recorded the same piece of music. The playback was perfect. > > So I went out and bought a tape eraser and erased the old tape completely. > The problem still exists, but it is not as severe. > > Is there some issue with taping over tapes even if they've been erased > before? Is a "virgin" tape the best way to go? Is there something wrong > with my Nak deck? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From caldwell at cvtel.net Mon Jan 7 03:00:56 2002 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Delica Caldwell) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:00:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Squeaking cassette Message-ID: <3C38ACF8.19523.1B0124B2@localhost> Does anybody have a recommendation for fixing a squeaking cassette (shell). The shell does have Phillips screws. Thanks, Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 7 03:28:41 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:28:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BF0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Erik, The only way that I can think of which unit is causing the creases on your cassettes is to get a fresh cassette and play it on one unit, take it out and look at the cassette to see if any creases are present, repeat until culprit is found. To answer some of the questions below, the bias adjust is useful if you are using a cassette that needs a little "umpf" injected into it - in other words if it does not sound like the source, adjust the bias so that the recording sounds the same as the source. The MPX filter is used for FM broadcast recordings, the stereo pilot signal (I think it is around 19 KHz) can cause some confusion to the Dolby circuit thus incorrectly encoding the signal onto the tape (fellow naktalkers feel free to correct and/or add comments here). As for regular maintenance I think that all depends on how much you use the unit for, if you are a heavy user and are using decent cassettes then I think a once a week or fortnight will do the trick. Head demagnetising should be done once a month (approx), tape decks don't need that much on demagnetising as compared to reel-to-reel units due to their slow tape speed. I would not know how often you need to calibrate your unit but if it still sounds great! today compared to you first recording that you did when you got the unit, then there would be no need for calibration. For all the other naktalkers feel free to correct me with what I have written above, what I wrote is from experience only and you may have a better opinion than me and from what I read on this list there definitely is - we are a very knowledgeable & smart bunch of people. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Erik Lotspeich [mailto:erikvcl at silcom.com] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 12:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question Tom, I looked at my tape, and you're right. There are tiny grooves -- almost like slight creases. I've played these tapes in car stereos and the deck that recorded the tape. I wonder which one was doing this to it. I have few other questions since I'm new to the Nak world. 1. How useful is the Bias Adjust setting on my deck? How should this be used? 2. What does the "MPX Filter" setting do? 3. What kind of regular maintenance do I need to do on this deck? Regular cleanings I assume. But what about head demagnatizing, calibration, etc.? Thanks so much for all your help, Erik. On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Have a look at the tape and see if there are any grooves in it. > Usually tapes that have been played in crappy machines may leave their > "trade mark" on the tape. Grooves in the tape affect the recording & > playback, sometimes by a little bit and sometimes by a lot. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Lotspeich [mailto:erikvcl at silcom.com] > Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 7:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DR-8 Question > > > Hi, > > I just bought a Nakamichi DR-8 used, and I have a question about it. I > first tried taping over a TDK MA tape that I had previously recorded over > with a crappy deck. I noticed that, on playback, the sound level was MUCH > stronger in the right channel than the left. So I tried a brand new TDK > MA tape and recorded the same piece of music. The playback was perfect. > > So I went out and bought a tape eraser and erased the old tape completely. > The problem still exists, but it is not as severe. > > Is there some issue with taping over tapes even if they've been erased > before? Is a "virgin" tape the best way to go? Is there something wrong > with my Nak deck? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 7 03:32:30 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:32:30 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Squeaking cassette Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BF1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Scott, I think the squeak is coming from the two small white tape guides (wheels) inside the cassette usually caused when there is no lubrication in the plastic when it comes in contact with the tiny pins holding it in place. I guess to solve this problem is to try and find an old reasonable cassette for parts and replace the pins and tape guides. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Delica Caldwell [mailto:caldwell at cvtel.net] Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Squeaking cassette Does anybody have a recommendation for fixing a squeaking cassette (shell). The shell does have Phillips screws. Thanks, Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From PAULTRIX at aol.com Mon Jan 7 03:48:09 2002 From: PAULTRIX at aol.com (PAULTRIX at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:48:09 EST Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Message-ID: <26.212b37da.296a6669@aol.com> Greetings, I own a BX-125 that recently stopped working properly. I can't play a tape, record, rewind, fast-forward, etc. The unit powers up and after hitting the play button the tape motor spins briefly and then won't continue spinning. I had the idler upgrade done several years ago and recall that it mis-functioned similarly back then before I had it fixed. Does anyone know of similar problems for the BX series, what could be working improperly..motor, belts, switches,......, why, etc.? I'll send the machine in to get repaired but I figured let me first put the question out there if, indeed, this problem could be corrected at home. Perhaps it is something quite simple??!! Thanks for your responses!! Paul Manatrizio ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 7 04:04:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:04:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 References: <26.212b37da.296a6669@aol.com> Message-ID: <033901c19728$028d8680$453442cf@sank1> It sounds exactly like you have dead spots(carbon deposits) in the mode control cam motor. The motor should be overhauled or replaced. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 > > Greetings, > > I own a BX-125 that recently stopped working properly. I can't play a tape, > record, rewind, fast-forward, etc. The unit powers up and after hitting the > play button the tape motor spins briefly and then won't continue spinning. I > had the idler upgrade done several years ago and recall that it > mis-functioned similarly back then before I had it fixed. Does anyone know > of similar problems for the BX series, what could be working > improperly..motor, belts, switches,......, why, etc.? I'll send the machine > in to get repaired but I figured let me first put the question out there if, > indeed, this problem could be corrected at home. Perhaps it is something > quite simple??!! Thanks for your responses!! > > Paul Manatrizio > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From paulg765 at optonline.net Mon Jan 7 04:05:15 2002 From: paulg765 at optonline.net (Paul Glantzman) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:05:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Squeaking cassette In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BF1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365BF1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hey guys, You need a C-0. (and a small Phillips-head). That's a cassette shell with just the leader and no tape loaded in it yet. Bulk tape cassette loaders and open-pancake bin-loop cassette duplicators use these. If you, or anyone else on the list, wants a couple no charge, email me your address. Now, on the other hand, if the squeak is coming from the tape itself rubbing on the playback head, that's another problem. It's known as "stiction" and is like a violin bow on a violin. It can by caused by a tape formulation with a bad binder. This type of squeak you will actually hear through the audio playback as well. It's hard to get rid of. Paul >Hi Scott, > > I think the squeak is coming from the two small white tape >guides (wheels) inside the cassette usually caused when there is no >lubrication in the plastic when it comes in contact with the tiny >pins holding it in place. I guess to solve this problem is to try >and find an old reasonable cassette for parts and replace the pins >and tape guides. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Delica Caldwell [mailto:caldwell at cvtel.net] >Sent: Monday, 7 January 2002 1:01 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Squeaking cassette > > >Does anybody have a recommendation for fixing a squeaking >cassette (shell). The shell does have Phillips screws. > >Thanks, >Scott >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Mon Jan 7 04:29:07 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:29:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Ariston RD-11s Message-ID: <54.20ced77c.296a7003@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:50:51 -0600 From: "erie patsellis" Subject: Re: [naktalk] SME arm I can second the ariston, my rd-11s blows away most every linn I've put it against. erie > VPI JMW 10 on the KD-500, or more likely if it's better a Linn like Ariston > Audio RD-11s. I understand it's actually a predecessor to the Linn LP-12, and Would you happen to have the Set up manual for the Ariston. Originally I had a Mayware Formula IV on it. But I traded it for the VPI JMW 10. I paid $250 for it. Put a Sumiko Blue Point. It wasn't too bad on the Mayware, but the next table (which is in repair state) a Mitsubishi LT-22 (linear tracker). The tables (I actually have about 40 in fact alot of automatics Duals, Garrard, BSR, Pioneer, Sansui. But the rest of the good ones are Ariston Audio RD-11s. I understand it's actually a predecessor to the Linn LP-12, and the grandaddy of them all the AR-XA. I have that, a Pro-ject 1.2, a Thorens TD-145 all need a little work except for the Thorens. The KD-500. I am thinking the Ariston is the best. Dag Wood "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 04:40:36 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:40:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Message-ID: <20020107034036.60382.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> It could the 1 ohm fuse/resistor in series with the control motor. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 7 04:43:17 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 19:43:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Message-ID: <20020107034317.46036.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> It could the 1 ohm fuse/resistor in series with the cam motor power. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Mon Jan 7 05:05:34 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:05:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tape Squeak Message-ID: <9.214d6a34.296a788e@aol.com> In a message dated 1/6/02 9:03:55 PM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: << : Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:00:56 -0600 From: "Delica Caldwell" Subject: [naktalk] Squeaking cassette Does anybody have a recommendation for fixing a squeaking cassette (shell). The shell does have Phillips screws. Thanks, Scott >> Yes, take out the tape and put it in a new case. I had this problem years ago with BASF Studio tapes. The problem is the plastic, or teflon sheet above and below the tape and the housing. The tape is scaping on it and it's screeching. Usually this is audible on the playback also. DagWood "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Mon Jan 7 05:32:36 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:32:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Ariston RD-11s References: <54.20ced77c.296a7003@aol.com> Message-ID: <003301c19734$557af6a0$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> unfortunately not, as I have moved umpteen million times since buying it. if anyone hears of a B&O 8002 rcvr for sale, let me know as I have a B&O table I'd like to pair it with.(heresy, I know, but at least my wife won't wipe out the high $ MC cart on the Ariston) erie > Would you happen to have the Set up manual for the Ariston. Originally I had > a Mayware Formula IV on it. But I traded it for the VPI JMW 10. I paid $250 > for it. Put a Sumiko Blue Point. It wasn't too bad on the Mayware, but the > next table (which is in repair state) a Mitsubishi LT-22 (linear tracker). > The tables (I actually have about 40 in fact alot of automatics Duals, > Garrard, BSR, Pioneer, Sansui. But the rest of the good ones are Ariston > Audio RD-11s. I understand it's actually a predecessor to the Linn LP-12, and > the grandaddy of them all the AR-XA. I have that, a Pro-ject 1.2, a Thorens > TD-145 all need a little work except for the Thorens. The KD-500. I am > thinking the Ariston is the best. > Dag Wood ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Jan 7 06:13:56 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:13:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] correct URL, username and password for the online manuals In-Reply-To: <200201070008.g0708ci37272@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> Message-ID: <001a01c1973a$1bccd2b0$0600a8c0@c994264g> I'm shortly going to receive a DR-10, and would like to contribute uploading my manual. What's the correct procedure? And I can't seem to find my manual to my recently defunct DR-1, would it prove value to anyone if I tried to locate this manual and upload that as well? But first, I do need instructions to do this correctly. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Judd Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] correct URL, username and password for the online manuals Thanks Joel, looks like the password had been changed. Still no Nak 1000 manuals either. : ( Rob > >Hello, > >The correct URL is > >http://support.naks.com/support > >Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which >are as follows: >username: naktalk >password: limited > > > > >joel > >-- >Joel Herda >joelll at genericdomain.net >joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 06:41:58 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 21:41:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <002201c196a8$1f26e780$42ba87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C393525.F696B503@earthlink.net> Well, the price was certainly right. As to how the long cable affects the sound of your system, I can't say. I don't know if the cable is low capacitance or if the components driving the cable have a low output impedance (probably not). Does anyone know the primary capacitance characteristics of shielded and unshielded twisted pair cables? Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Yes, you're right, Jim, that they are twisted pair cable. But there is no > shielding as such - just a fairly heavy duty clear plastic sheath covering > the cable. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 06 January 2002 02:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... > > While low capacitance interconnect cables help, so does low output impedance > from the > source and high input impedance on the other end. > > I'm vaguely familiar with Phoenix Gold. If I'm not mistaken, their primary > design > philosophy involves the use of shielded (important in cars) twisted pair > cable. I'm not > sure if STP cable offers inherently low capacitance though. Anyone else? > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Mon Jan 7 20:31:44 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 14:31:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] correct URL, username and password for the online manuals In-Reply-To: <200201070008.g0708ci37272@whirlwind.netspace.net.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Rob Judd wrote: > Thanks Joel, looks like the password had been changed. > > Still no Nak 1000 manuals either. : ( Have you contacted Nakamichi's Customer service? Call the customer service number on their website, and they will send you a photocopy of the manual. It took me two tries, but now I have the manual for the 600 cassette deck, ready to scan in and send to the naks.com website (if updating there ever happens). joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Jan 7 21:38:35 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf@nakedresource) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:38:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just testing - No Naktalk for 2 weeks!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Joel Herda Sent: 07 January 2002 19:32 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] correct URL, username and password for the online manuals On Mon, 7 Jan 2002, Rob Judd wrote: > Thanks Joel, looks like the password had been changed. > > Still no Nak 1000 manuals either. : ( Have you contacted Nakamichi's Customer service? Call the customer service number on their website, and they will send you a photocopy of the manual. It took me two tries, but now I have the manual for the 600 cassette deck, ready to scan in and send to the naks.com website (if updating there ever happens). joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Jan 7 21:48:31 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:48:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107154754.01f90ec0@mail.verizon.net> Thanks, Steve - Further observations: As previously noted, the pitch control has no effect. I checked speed accuracy: A 3K test cassette reads 2978 near at the beginning and 2973 near the end of the tape on the MR1 - and verifies that there is no change in speed at any pitch control setting. That 3K tone I recorded on the MR-1 had a pronounced "chirp" when played on the MR-1 but - this is where it gets interesting, was free from flutter (or is it an oscillation?) played on the 582! I checked the 582 for speed accuracy: 3032 at the beginning and end. Lastly, I once again recorded a 40 second long 3000 hz tone on the MR-1, monitored with a frequency counter as it was being recorded from an H-P 204C oscillator. Played back right away, the frequency read 2975, which means that this deck is recording at a different speed from what it is playing back. I did this test three times, and the play freq. sometimes dropped to 2950. Something is definitely on the fritz. The record and play speeds are different! Even if the speed were considerably off speed, the record and play speed errors of a tone recorded and played on the same machine should cancel and self-correct. Evidently the pitch control, which only works when the MR-1 is playing a tape, is cutting in and slowing the machine down a little. As I mentioned before, the control is not working. No change at any position of the control. Summarizing, apparently the record functions OK - there is no audible flutter or oscillation recorded on a tape as judged by listening on another machine. The play speed is slightly off and the flutter, or more likely, oscillation, is probably being caused by a fault somewhere in the pitch control circuit. Now, how do I get it off the fritz? ________________ Marc Stager =================================== At 1/6/02, you wrote: >My first thought was a need for lubricant in the left cap shaft bearings, >but then you say the pitch control has no effect. That is something I have >never seen before. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps there >is some odd malfunction of the 4066 CMOS chip that switches the control out >for record mode. Beyond that, I'd need either to get more information or >see the deck. > >Stephen Sank ============ > > To Steve and other Nak mavens: > > > > On my MR-1 I played a cassette recorded on another deck. On > > sustained notes there was a very audible fast flutter. I then made a > > 3K recording from a signal generator. Same problem - steady, very > > rapid flutter. It sounds like it could be electronically rather than > > mechanically generated - an oscillation rather than a change of > > capstan speed - or the capstans are being made to cause the flutter > > due to an electronic fault. > > > > Clue: The variable speed control is not working now. No effect. When > > normal there is a pronounced change of pitch. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jan 7 22:36:40 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... In-Reply-To: <3C393525.F696B503@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c197c3$655a05e0$d79787d9@a4s1s2> Correction. I read they are shielded with Mylar foil, although this isn't apparent to my eyes! The cable appears to be a discontinued version of the XS series, which, it is written, "features oxygen-free copper (OFC) twisted pair stranding resulting in a low capacitance design." I see no test figures to back up this claim, though. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 07 January 2002 05:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... Well, the price was certainly right. As to how the long cable affects the sound of your system, I can't say. I don't know if the cable is low capacitance or if the components driving the cable have a low output impedance (probably not). Does anyone know the primary capacitance characteristics of shielded and unshielded twisted pair cables? Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Jan 7 22:50:23 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 13:50:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c197c3$655a05e0$d79787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C3A181E.CBAE61DE@earthlink.net> I thought it would be a little unusual for a car audio company to offer unshielded cable. If I'm not mistaken, cable capacitance is a function, in addition to other design features, the proximity of the conductors to each other. If I'm correct, twisted pair should have low capacitance indeed. I'd still enjoy hearing from others regarding cable geometry and capacitance. Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Correction. I read they are shielded with Mylar foil, although this isn't > apparent to my eyes! The cable appears to be a discontinued version of the > XS series, which, it is written, "features oxygen-free copper (OFC) twisted > pair stranding resulting in a low capacitance design." I see no test > figures to back up this claim, though. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 07 January 2002 05:42 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... > > Well, the price was certainly right. As to how the long cable affects the > sound of your > system, I can't say. I don't know if the cable is low capacitance or if the > components > driving the cable have a low output impedance (probably not). > > Does anyone know the primary capacitance characteristics of shielded and > unshielded > twisted pair cables? > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jan 8 01:51:19 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:51:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c197c3$655a05e0$d79787d9@a4s1s2> <3C3A181E.CBAE61DE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C3A4287.4A1E682D@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > I thought it would be a little unusual for a car audio > company to offer unshielded cable. > > If I'm not mistaken, cable capacitance is a function, in > addition to other design features, the proximity of the > conductors to each other. That's correct. In addition, capacitance increases with the cap plate area. > If I'm correct, twisted pair should have low capacitance > indeed. That's where I disagree. A twisted pair will have a smaller distance between the leads, with larger areas facing each other. Seems to me, twisting increases capacitance -- the tighter the twist, the larger the increase. Note that manufacturers use terms like 'low capacitance' (or, for that matter, 'low noise') very loosely. I would be interested in how low that low capacitance really is. The Belden 1505A, A high performance coax of the RG-59 family was recommended by Belden for audio applications. It's capacitance is 16.5 pf per ft (similar cables are up to 25 pf/ft). Another Belden coax much admired by audio purists (the insulation is Fluorinated Ethylene Propylene, which is said to reduce cable induced distortion) is the 82259, with 17.5 fp/ft. This kind of numbers would justify a 'low capacitance' marking. -- Ron > I'd still enjoy hearing from others regarding cable > geometry and capacitance. > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Correction. I read they are shielded with Mylar foil, although this isn't > > apparent to my eyes! The cable appears to be a discontinued version of the > > XS series, which, it is written, "features oxygen-free copper (OFC) twisted > > pair stranding resulting in a low capacitance design." I see no test > > figures to back up this claim, though. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 07 January 2002 05:42 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... > > > > Well, the price was certainly right. As to how the long cable affects the > > sound of your > > system, I can't say. I don't know if the cable is low capacitance or if the > > components > > driving the cable have a low output impedance (probably not). > > > > Does anyone know the primary capacitance characteristics of shielded and > > unshielded > > twisted pair cables? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Jan 8 02:04:34 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 17:04:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... References: <000001c197c3$655a05e0$d79787d9@a4s1s2> <3C3A181E.CBAE61DE@earthlink.net> <3C3A4287.4A1E682D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C3A45A2.96F5FDFC@earthlink.net> Thanks for the info, Ron. I appreciate it. Off to CES.... Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > I thought it would be a little unusual for a car audio > > company to offer unshielded cable. > > > > If I'm not mistaken, cable capacitance is a function, in > > addition to other design features, the proximity of the > > conductors to each other. > > That's correct. In addition, capacitance increases with the > cap plate area. > > > If I'm correct, twisted pair should have low capacitance > > indeed. > > That's where I disagree. A twisted pair will have a smaller > distance between the leads, with larger areas facing each > other. Seems to me, twisting increases capacitance -- the > tighter the twist, the larger the increase. > > Note that manufacturers use terms like 'low capacitance' > (or, for that matter, 'low noise') very loosely. I would > be interested in how low that low capacitance really is. > > The Belden 1505A, A high performance coax of the RG-59 > family was recommended by Belden for audio applications. > It's capacitance is 16.5 pf per ft (similar cables are > up to 25 pf/ft). Another Belden coax much admired by > audio purists (the insulation is Fluorinated Ethylene > Propylene, which is said to reduce cable induced > distortion) is the 82259, with 17.5 fp/ft. This kind > of numbers would justify a 'low capacitance' marking. > > -- Ron > > > I'd still enjoy hearing from others regarding cable > > geometry and capacitance. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Correction. I read they are shielded with Mylar foil, although this isn't > > > apparent to my eyes! The cable appears to be a discontinued version of the > > > XS series, which, it is written, "features oxygen-free copper (OFC) twisted > > > pair stranding resulting in a low capacitance design." I see no test > > > figures to back up this claim, though. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 07 January 2002 05:42 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Long cable and interconnect leads .... > > > > > > Well, the price was certainly right. As to how the long cable affects the > > > sound of your > > > system, I can't say. I don't know if the cable is low capacitance or if the > > > components > > > driving the cable have a low output impedance (probably not). > > > > > > Does anyone know the primary capacitance characteristics of shielded and > > > unshielded > > > twisted pair cables? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 8 07:11:45 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:11:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107154754.01f90ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <053d01c1980b$5a664ac0$453442cf@sank1> I think it may be that the pitch control potentiometer is simply bad, but first I'd say replace the 4066 cmos chip, which could cause the same result. If that doesn't help, then desolder & measure the pitch pot from end to end & to wiper contact & see if it's open somewhere. If it's bad, I believe I have two in stock. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 > Thanks, Steve - > > Further observations: > > As previously noted, the pitch control has no effect. > I checked speed accuracy: A 3K test cassette reads > 2978 near at the beginning and 2973 near the end of > the tape on the MR1 - and verifies that there is no > change in speed at any pitch control setting. > > That 3K tone I recorded on the MR-1 had a pronounced > "chirp" when played on the MR-1 but - this is where it gets > interesting, was free from flutter (or is it an oscillation?) > played on the 582! I checked the 582 for speed accuracy: > 3032 at the beginning and end. > > Lastly, I once again recorded a 40 second long 3000 hz > tone on the MR-1, monitored with a frequency counter as it was > being recorded from an H-P 204C oscillator. Played back right > away, the frequency read 2975, which means that this deck is > recording at a different speed from what it is playing back. > I did this test three times, and the play freq. sometimes > dropped to 2950. Something is definitely on the fritz. > The record and play speeds are different! Even if the speed > were considerably off speed, the record and play speed errors > of a tone recorded and played on the same machine should > cancel and self-correct. Evidently the pitch control, which > only works when the MR-1 is playing a tape, is cutting in > and slowing the machine down a little. As I mentioned before, > the control is not working. No change at any position of the > control. > > Summarizing, apparently the record functions OK - there is no > audible flutter or oscillation recorded on a tape as judged by > listening on another machine. The play speed is slightly off and > the flutter, or more likely, oscillation, is probably being caused by > a fault somewhere in the pitch control circuit. > > Now, how do I get it off the fritz? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =================================== > > At 1/6/02, you wrote: > >My first thought was a need for lubricant in the left cap shaft bearings, > >but then you say the pitch control has no effect. That is something I have > >never seen before. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps there > >is some odd malfunction of the 4066 CMOS chip that switches the control out > >for record mode. Beyond that, I'd need either to get more information or > >see the deck. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ============ > > > > To Steve and other Nak mavens: > > > > > > On my MR-1 I played a cassette recorded on another deck. On > > > sustained notes there was a very audible fast flutter. I then made a > > > 3K recording from a signal generator. Same problem - steady, very > > > rapid flutter. It sounds like it could be electronically rather than > > > mechanically generated - an oscillation rather than a change of > > > capstan speed - or the capstans are being made to cause the flutter > > > due to an electronic fault. > > > > > > Clue: The variable speed control is not working now. No effect. When > > > normal there is a pronounced change of pitch. > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Jan 9 04:32:01 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:32:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 In-Reply-To: <053d01c1980b$5a664ac0$453442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107154754.01f90ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020108205740.01f77880@mail.verizon.net> For reference: This is an MR-1 s/n A128 / 12986 Well, it's logical that, if the pitch control has no effect, that control would be the first place to look. I had thought that the center detent was a bypass, switching the control out of the circuit. Now that I've had a look at the schematic, it turns out that it is nothing more than a notch at the center of the rotation of a cheap 20K pot. There is no bypass at the center detent. Shabby - this thing will never be exactly the same speed in play as in record. Anyway, I pulled out the Elco plug at CN-7 on main board which connects to a cable running to the pitch control. Measurements: pin1 to 3 (ground): 17.22 ohms. Pin 2 (wiper) to pin 3: open Pin 2 to pin 1: open. So the pot is fried. I'll take you up on the purchase of a replacement, but when I install it, I'm definitely installing a 10K trimpot so that I can set the play speed to match the record speed as exactly as possible at the center detent. I hope that puts an end to this problem. BTW, I couldn't find that 4066 chip anywhere on the board or the schematic. What is the IC number on the schematic? I could see where a bad Q626, 627, 262, and/or 629 could cause a problem. There are several JRC072 and JRC4556 ICs on the board. I have a few B-B 2604 chips and AD823's which I would like to put in their place. Waddaytink? Lastly, I am thinking of opening the trace between SW703 and ground and installing a safe switch to prevent any future accidents due to the poor placement of the record button. A mini toggle will work fine. Just gotta figure out where it's going to sit on the front panel. Many thanks for your help. Let me know how much to send you for that pot in a private email. ________________ Marc Stager email Marc at Stager.com >================================= >At 1/8/02, you wrote: >I think it may be that the pitch control potentiometer is simply bad, but >first I'd say replace the 4066 cmos chip, which could cause the same result. >If that doesn't help, then desolder & measure the pitch pot from end to end >& to wiper contact & see if it's open somewhere. If it's bad, I believe I >have two in stock. >Stephen Sank ========================= > Thanks, Steve - > > Further observations: > > As previously noted, the pitch control has no effect. > I checked speed accuracy: A 3K test cassette reads > 2978 near at the beginning and 2973 near the end of > the tape on the MR1 - and verifies that there is no > change in speed at any pitch control setting. > > That 3K tone I recorded on the MR-1 had a pronounced > "chirp" when played on the MR-1 but - this is where it gets > interesting, was free from flutter (or is it an oscillation?) > played on the 582! I checked the 582 for speed accuracy: > 3032 at the beginning and end. > > Lastly, I once again recorded a 40 second long 3000 hz > tone on the MR-1, monitored with a frequency counter as it was > being recorded from an H-P 204C oscillator. Played back right > away, the frequency read 2975, which means that this deck is > recording at a different speed from what it is playing back. > I did this test three times, and the play freq. sometimes > dropped to 2950. Something is definitely on the fritz. > The record and play speeds are different! Even if the speed > were considerably off speed, the record and play speed errors > of a tone recorded and played on the same machine should > cancel and self-correct. Evidently the pitch control, which > only works when the MR-1 is playing a tape, is cutting in > and slowing the machine down a little. As I mentioned before, > the control is not working. No change at any position of the > control. > > Summarizing, apparently the record functions OK - there is no > audible flutter or oscillation recorded on a tape as judged by > listening on another machine. The play speed is slightly off and > the flutter, or more likely, oscillation, is probably being caused by > a fault somewhere in the pitch control circuit. > > Now, how do I get it off the fritz? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =================================== > > At 1/6/02, you wrote: > My first thought was a need for lubricant in the left cap shaft bearings, > but then you say the pitch control has no effect. That is something I have > never seen before. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps there > is some odd malfunction of the 4066 CMOS chip that switches the control >out > for record mode. Beyond that, I'd need either to get more information or > see the deck. > > Stephen Sank > > ============ > > To Steve and other Nak mavens: > > On my MR-1 I played a cassette recorded on another deck. On > sustained notes there was a very audible fast flutter. I then made a > 3K recording from a signal generator. Same problem - steady, very > rapid flutter. It sounds like it could be electronically rather than > mechanically generated - an oscillation rather than a change of > capstan speed - or the capstans are being made to cause the flutter > due to an electronic fault. > > Clue: The variable speed control is not working now. No effect. When > normal there is a pronounced change of pitch. > > Any ideas? > > ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jan 9 05:25:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:25:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107154754.01f90ec0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020108205740.01f77880@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <018301c198c5$a30249e0$a43442cf@sank1> Just shoot me your address again & I'll get the pot over to you, if I am remembering correctly that I have the right ones. If you have the manual handy, you could also shoot me the part number for it, to be sure when I check my stock tomorrow. Don't have the manual handy myself, so I was remembering wrong about the rec mode disable device for the speed. Other models use the 4066 chip for that. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Flutter in MR-1 > For reference: This is an MR-1 s/n A128 / 12986 > > Well, it's logical that, if the pitch control has no effect, that control > would be the first place to look. I had thought that the center detent was > a bypass, switching the control out of the circuit. Now that I've had > a look at the schematic, it turns out that it is nothing more than a notch > at the center of the rotation of a cheap 20K pot. There is no bypass > at the center detent. Shabby - this thing will never be exactly the > same speed in play as in record. > > Anyway, I pulled out the Elco plug at CN-7 on main board which > connects to a cable running to the pitch control. Measurements: > pin1 to 3 (ground): 17.22 ohms. Pin 2 (wiper) to pin 3: open > Pin 2 to pin 1: open. So the pot is fried. > > I'll take you up on the purchase of a replacement, but when I install > it, I'm definitely installing a 10K trimpot so that I can set the play speed > to match the record speed as exactly as possible at the center detent. > I hope that puts an end to this problem. > > BTW, I couldn't find that 4066 chip anywhere on the board or the > schematic. What is the IC number on the schematic? > I could see where a bad Q626, 627, 262, and/or 629 could cause a > problem. > > There are several JRC072 and JRC4556 ICs on the board. I have a few > B-B 2604 chips and AD823's which I would like to put in their place. > Waddaytink? > > Lastly, I am thinking of opening the trace between SW703 and ground > and installing a safe switch to prevent any future accidents due to the > poor placement of the record button. A mini toggle will work fine. Just > gotta figure out where it's going to sit on the front panel. > > Many thanks for your help. Let me know how much to send you > for that pot in a private email. > > ________________ Marc Stager > email Marc at Stager.com > > > >================================= > >At 1/8/02, you wrote: > >I think it may be that the pitch control potentiometer is simply bad, but > >first I'd say replace the 4066 cmos chip, which could cause the same result. > >If that doesn't help, then desolder & measure the pitch pot from end to end > >& to wiper contact & see if it's open somewhere. If it's bad, I believe I > >have two in stock. > >Stephen Sank > > ========================= > > Thanks, Steve - > > > > Further observations: > > > > As previously noted, the pitch control has no effect. > > I checked speed accuracy: A 3K test cassette reads > > 2978 near at the beginning and 2973 near the end of > > the tape on the MR1 - and verifies that there is no > > change in speed at any pitch control setting. > > > > That 3K tone I recorded on the MR-1 had a pronounced > > "chirp" when played on the MR-1 but - this is where it gets > > interesting, was free from flutter (or is it an oscillation?) > > played on the 582! I checked the 582 for speed accuracy: > > 3032 at the beginning and end. > > > > Lastly, I once again recorded a 40 second long 3000 hz > > tone on the MR-1, monitored with a frequency counter as it was > > being recorded from an H-P 204C oscillator. Played back right > > away, the frequency read 2975, which means that this deck is > > recording at a different speed from what it is playing back. > > I did this test three times, and the play freq. sometimes > > dropped to 2950. Something is definitely on the fritz. > > The record and play speeds are different! Even if the speed > > were considerably off speed, the record and play speed errors > > of a tone recorded and played on the same machine should > > cancel and self-correct. Evidently the pitch control, which > > only works when the MR-1 is playing a tape, is cutting in > > and slowing the machine down a little. As I mentioned before, > > the control is not working. No change at any position of the > > control. > > > > Summarizing, apparently the record functions OK - there is no > > audible flutter or oscillation recorded on a tape as judged by > > listening on another machine. The play speed is slightly off and > > the flutter, or more likely, oscillation, is probably being caused by > > a fault somewhere in the pitch control circuit. > > > > Now, how do I get it off the fritz? > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > =================================== > > > > At 1/6/02, you wrote: > > My first thought was a need for lubricant in the left cap shaft bearings, > > but then you say the pitch control has no effect. That is something I have > > never seen before. The only thing that comes to mind is that perhaps there > > is some odd malfunction of the 4066 CMOS chip that switches the control > >out > > for record mode. Beyond that, I'd need either to get more information or > > see the deck. > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > ============ > > > > To Steve and other Nak mavens: > > > > On my MR-1 I played a cassette recorded on another deck. On > > sustained notes there was a very audible fast flutter. I then made a > > 3K recording from a signal generator. Same problem - steady, very > > rapid flutter. It sounds like it could be electronically rather than > > mechanically generated - an oscillation rather than a change of > > capstan speed - or the capstans are being made to cause the flutter > > due to an electronic fault. > > > > Clue: The variable speed control is not working now. No effect. When > > normal there is a pronounced change of pitch. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Jan 10 11:03:52 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:03:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C062@CPT-01> Just wanted to know from people overseas whether I can get a Phillips transport (i think it is a CDM 9) for my rotel CD player. I had someone break my transport and the local Rotel dealer is proving to be incompetent. Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Jan 10 14:02:01 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:02:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C063@CPT-01> i'm in south africa hence the lack of service -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf at nakedresource [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: 10 January 2002 13:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport Try putting cdm9 into this search engine: http://www.donberg.ie/search.html Hope this is of some help, you don't say where you are? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Neal Walker Sent: 10 January 2002 10:04 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport Just wanted to know from people overseas whether I can get a Phillips transport (i think it is a CDM 9) for my rotel CD player. I had someone break my transport and the local Rotel dealer is proving to be incompetent. Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu Jan 10 14:32:48 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:32:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C065@CPT-01> problem is that i just need the plastic gear for this mechanism (found that out now after trying to get the name from the techie) so don't know what that is. -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf at nakedresource [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: 10 January 2002 13:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport Try putting cdm9 into this search engine: http://www.donberg.ie/search.html Hope this is of some help, you don't say where you are? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Neal Walker Sent: 10 January 2002 10:04 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport Just wanted to know from people overseas whether I can get a Phillips transport (i think it is a CDM 9) for my rotel CD player. I had someone break my transport and the local Rotel dealer is proving to be incompetent. Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm afraid I don't have any manuals around for anything using the CDM-9 to help you out with a part number, but I'll see what I can do to find a Rotel manual, for I think the RCD-970, which is a CDM-9 unit, if I recall correctly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > problem is that i just need the plastic gear for this mechanism (found that > out now after trying to get the name from the techie) so don't know what > that is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: doctordeaf at nakedresource [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] > Sent: 10 January 2002 13:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > Try putting cdm9 into this search engine: > > http://www.donberg.ie/search.html > > Hope this is of some help, you don't say where you are? > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Neal Walker > Sent: 10 January 2002 10:04 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > > Just wanted to know from people overseas whether I can get a Phillips > transport (i think it is a CDM 9) for my rotel CD player. I had someone > break my transport and the local Rotel dealer is proving to be incompetent. > Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. > > Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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URL: From nealw at decillion.net Fri Jan 11 08:43:57 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:43:57 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C06A@CPT-01> yes thats the one it seems crazy to not have a CD player for want of a little plastic gear. my rotel is the 975 but i think they both have the cdm 9 mechanism. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 10 January 2002 17:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips transport On a CDM-9, a plastic gear could only be part of the loading mechanism, which is not an element of the actual transport. I'm afraid I don't have any manuals around for anything using the CDM-9 to help you out with a part number, but I'll see what I can do to find a Rotel manual, for I think the RCD-970, which is a CDM-9 unit, if I recall correctly. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > problem is that i just need the plastic gear for this mechanism (found that > out now after trying to get the name from the techie) so don't know what > that is. > > -----Original Message----- > From: doctordeaf at nakedresource [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] > Sent: 10 January 2002 13:48 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > Try putting cdm9 into this search engine: > > http://www.donberg.ie/search.html > > Hope this is of some help, you don't say where you are? > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Neal Walker > Sent: 10 January 2002 10:04 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > > Just wanted to know from people overseas whether I can get a Phillips > transport (i think it is a CDM 9) for my rotel CD player. I had someone > break my transport and the local Rotel dealer is proving to be incompetent. > Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. > > Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they won't sell me a manual! Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Fri Jan 11 16:19:59 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:19:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C06A@CPT-01> Message-ID: <001701c19ab3$6f15aec0$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Hi Neal well, I just thought: is it possible that you can repair/glue that little plastic gizmo or maybe make one yourself making a mould with a latexmould and casting the plasticthing?. Maybe it's impossible in your case, but it's been my experience that often professional repairmen don't see possibilities: they want to change the whole unit being more costeffective. That's not necessarily true for us diy'ers. My bicycleman wanted to sell me a new gear, but it was just a little plastic level that was broke. I used a bit of epoxy and I was biking again. ole thofte ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > yes thats the one it seems crazy to not have a CD player for want of a > little plastic gear. my rotel is the 975 but i think they both have the cdm > 9 mechanism. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 10 January 2002 17:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > On a CDM-9, a plastic gear could only be part of the loading mechanism, > which is not an element of the actual transport. I'm afraid I don't have > any manuals around for anything using the CDM-9 to help you out with a part > number, but I'll see what I can do to find a Rotel manual, for I think the > RCD-970, which is a CDM-9 unit, if I recall correctly. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neal Walker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:32 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > > problem is that i just need the plastic gear for this mechanism (found > that > > out now after trying to get the name from the techie) so don't know what > > that is. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: doctordeaf at nakedresource [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] > > Sent: 10 January 2002 13:48 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > > > > Try putting cdm9 into this search engine: > > > > http://www.donberg.ie/search.html > > > > Hope this is of some help, you don't say where you are? > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Neal Walker > > Sent: 10 January 2002 10:04 > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips transport > > > > > > > > Just wanted to know from people overseas whether I can get a Phillips > > transport (i think it is a CDM 9) for my rotel CD player. I had someone > > break my transport and the local Rotel dealer is proving to be > incompetent. > > Is this easily available and if so how should i go about getting it. > > > > Thanks for any help I'm really going arround the bend. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jan 11 16:49:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 08:49:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT References: Message-ID: <04bb01c19ab7$815357a0$a43442cf@sank1> Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works quite well. If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you want it to work well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped meridian > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then shakes > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > won't sell me a manual! > Jim > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Jan 11 17:37:01 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 16:37:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT In-Reply-To: <04bb01c19ab7$815357a0$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which may be possible with the transport in place. Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. Regards Jim Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works quite well. If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you want it to work well. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped meridian > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then shakes > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > won't sell me a manual! > Jim > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jan 11 17:55:10 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:55:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT References: Message-ID: <04f301c19ac0$bba47480$a43442cf@sank1> Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot may be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do sometimes spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes simply caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by skipping problems, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which > may be possible with the transport in place. > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > Regards > Jim > > Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works > quite well. > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you > want it to work well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > meridian > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > shakes > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > > won't sell me a manual! > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Jan 11 18:23:33 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:23:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT In-Reply-To: <04f301c19ac0$bba47480$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: There is a pot behind the transport on a small 2cm * 5cm board, with normal resistors and caps and a philips IC, jackpot me thinks! There was no skipping prior to faliure, just a short journey a week before, though I have checked for loose connections. The carbon fibre 'pressure' clamp appears to be in excellent condition, though the disc only spins on power up, not when checking focus. Meridians only check for a disc and TOC when you press play, at which time in mine it just does this 'focus jig' and gives up (NOCD). I will dig out my multi and have a go tonight. Regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot may be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do sometimes spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes simply caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by skipping problems, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which > may be possible with the transport in place. > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > Regards > Jim > > Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works > quite well. > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you > want it to work well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > meridian > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > shakes > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > > won't sell me a manual! > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rmwill at Home.com Sat Jan 12 02:58:08 2002 From: rmwill at Home.com (Rodger M. Will) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:58:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem Message-ID: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0@cc421011d> Hello everyone. I just aquired a nice CR-5A that has one problem. Rewind is weak. Weak to the point that when you try to rewind a nearly rewound tape, the mechanism just stops. If you FF a small amount and restart rewind, it will rewind slowly. If a finished tape is rewound, the rewind is fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! Rodger rwill1 at home.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rmwill at Home.com Sat Jan 12 03:13:18 2002 From: rmwill at Home.com (Rodger M. Will) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:13:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem References: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0@cc421011d> Message-ID: <004801c19b0e$b42efbf0$6401a8c0@cc421011d> Actually both FF and Rew show the same tendancies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodger M. Will" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > Hello everyone. I just aquired a nice CR-5A that has one problem. Rewind > is weak. Weak to the point that when you try to rewind a nearly rewound > tape, the mechanism just stops. If you FF a small amount and restart > rewind, it will rewind slowly. If a finished tape is rewound, the rewind is > fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > Rodger > rwill1 at home.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 12 03:27:11 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:27:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem References: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0@cc421011d> Message-ID: <054f01c19b10$a4fcd6a0$a43442cf@sank1> Let me just copy me prepared reel drive idler cleaning/replacement instructions, which will cure the problem, here: To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodger M. Will" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > Hello everyone. I just aquired a nice CR-5A that has one problem. Rewind > is weak. Weak to the point that when you try to rewind a nearly rewound > tape, the mechanism just stops. If you FF a small amount and restart > rewind, it will rewind slowly. If a finished tape is rewound, the rewind is > fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > Rodger > rwill1 at home.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rmwill at Home.com Sat Jan 12 03:34:40 2002 From: rmwill at Home.com (Rodger M. Will) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:34:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem References: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0@cc421011d> <054f01c19b10$a4fcd6a0$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005101c19b11$aff9fd70$6401a8c0@cc421011d> Sorry if this gets replicated a lot.... New to the list. I will give this a try in the AM Steve. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > Let me just copy me prepared reel drive idler cleaning/replacement > instructions, which will cure the problem, here: > > To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off > the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get > a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the > upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws > hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate > fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of > the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper > clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small > wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. > To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a > time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast > forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from > Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left > quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing > spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of > force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until > you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if > needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your > fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. > To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your > fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic > washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire > cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire > cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull > it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the > shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but > it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the > groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making > sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the > wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first > need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off > when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a > support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer > stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the > shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, > but not enough to do any damage. > Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into > the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. > Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rodger M. Will" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > > > > Hello everyone. I just aquired a nice CR-5A that has one problem. Rewind > > is weak. Weak to the point that when you try to rewind a nearly rewound > > tape, the mechanism just stops. If you FF a small amount and restart > > rewind, it will rewind slowly. If a finished tape is rewound, the rewind > is > > fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > > > Rodger > > rwill1 at home.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 02:53:07 2002 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:53:07 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem Message-ID: Until you change those shitty idler wheels with the gear driven mod you'll be chasing your tail. Don't treat the symptom - fix it for good! Anything else is bad advise. Steve Rudick Audiotech Authorized Nakamichi Service ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:27:11 -0700 Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE08E8E500A6400438ABC14EE13812520; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:22:36 -0800 Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03793for naktalk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:03:34 +0100 Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03790for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:03:28 +0100 Received: from sank1 (abq-071.thuntek.net [207.66.52.71])by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C2Otb17606for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:24:55 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:24:45 -0800 Message-ID: <054f01c19b10$a4fcd6a0$a43442cf at sank1> References: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0 at cc421011d> Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com Precedence: bulk Let me just copy me prepared reel drive idler cleaning/replacement instructions, which will cure the problem, here: To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodger M. Will" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > Hello everyone. I just aquired a nice CR-5A that has one problem. Rewind > is weak. Weak to the point that when you try to rewind a nearly rewound > tape, the mechanism just stops. If you FF a small amount and restart > rewind, it will rewind slowly. If a finished tape is rewound, the rewind is > fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > Rodger > rwill1 at home.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 12 04:10:14 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:10:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem References: Message-ID: <057c01c19b16$a83de920$a43442cf@sank1> Nonsense. Cleaning the idler every six months or so is easy & can keep the deck going just about forever. A CR-5 is certainly worth investing doing the gear upgrade, but it's by no means mandatory. And something like a BX125 is clearly NOT worth the gear mod, but it's too good to just throw away. Lighten up! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rudick" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > > > Until you change those shitty idler wheels with the gear driven mod you'll > be chasing your tail. Don't treat the symptom - fix it for good! Anything > else is bad advise. > > Steve Rudick > Audiotech > Authorized Nakamichi Service > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:27:11 -0700 > Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > MHotMailBE08E8E500A6400438ABC14EE13812520; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:22:36 -0800 > Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > EAA03793for naktalk-outgoing; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:03:34 +0100 > Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15])by > zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA03790for ; > Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:03:28 +0100 > Received: from sank1 (abq-071.thuntek.net [207.66.52.71])by > mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0C2Otb17606for > ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:24:55 -0700 (MST)(envelope-from > bk11 at thuntek.net) > From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:24:45 -0800 > Message-ID: <054f01c19b10$a4fcd6a0$a43442cf at sank1> > References: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0 at cc421011d> > Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > Precedence: bulk > > Let me just copy me prepared reel drive idler cleaning/replacement > instructions, which will cure the problem, here: > > To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off > the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get > a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the > upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws > hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate > fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of > the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper > clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small > wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. > To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a > time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast > forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from > Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left > quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing > spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of > force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until > you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if > needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your > fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. > To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your > fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic > washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire > cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire > cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull > it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the > shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but > it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the > groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making > sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the > wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first > need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off > when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a > support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer > stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the > shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, > but not enough to do any damage. > Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into > the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. > Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rodger M. Will" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 6:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem > > > > Hello everyone. I just aquired a nice CR-5A that has one problem. > Rewind > > is weak. Weak to the point that when you try to rewind a nearly rewound > > tape, the mechanism just stops. If you FF a small amount and restart > > rewind, it will rewind slowly. If a finished tape is rewound, the rewind > is > > fine. Any suggestions? Thanks! > > > > Rodger > > rwill1 at home.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 12 04:34:55 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:34:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-5A Problem & advise References: <003301c19b0c$9581d030$6401a8c0@cc421011d> <054f01c19b10$a4fcd6a0$a43442cf@sank1> <005101c19b11$aff9fd70$6401a8c0@cc421011d> Message-ID: <001801c19b1a$5b760240$54289bca@smarzuki> Hi Rodger, Just want to add that cleaning the rubber wheel is one good advise. Next step would be to replace the wheel with new rubber - with a lot of caution, of course, and final step would be to replace the rubber system with a more solid newer gear system - which could cost near $100 mark and require expertese to do it well. Since you're new, I'd also like to add that Stephen Sank is one of the expert in this Nak stuff ... he always give good and cost effective advise plus has the patience to go with your and other Nak problems. I also want to thank him again for sending extra motor for free (!) without even knowing me personally ... but my opinion above was not biased uopn this generosity - as he had helped me and most of the naksters here for a long time. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Rodger M. Will To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: bk11 at thuntek.net Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem Sorry if this gets replicated a lot.... New to the list. I will give this a try in the AM Steve. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Sat Jan 12 05:03:24 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:03:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Idle Talk References: <057c01c19b16$a83de920$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004d01c19b1e$14ed3a60$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I'll add my two cents from experience with a BX-100: If you don't mind the hassle of changing the idler - make sure you get one that is fresh and supple rubber. Don't make the mistake of buying one from a supplier who had the idler sitting in his parts drawer for who knows how long. I did that and ended up no further ahead. The rubber was as hard and non-gripping than the idler I was replacing. Quite frustrating. I'm not sure if cleaning the idler with head cleaner will work as well as a rubber conditioner which may bring back some of the 'grip' to the rubber if it is not too far gone. Many TV / Video repair shops seller rubber conditioner. I've heard that even using a very fine sandpaper can remove the surface rubber, helps a lot with pinch rollers that are irreplaceable because of their age. The sandpaper exposes the under layer of rubber that has not been exposed to the 'elements', and will have better grip. However, since new idlers are still available, sanding should be a last resort. New idlers should last about 5 years. Typical cost: less than $10.00. Gear upgrades are for the life of your deck. I'm sure Stephen Sank will direct you to a reliable supplier of fresh idlers if you require it. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From srudick at hotmail.com Sat Jan 12 04:35:29 2002 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:35:29 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem Message-ID: What you say is true, however, just when you'll want to use your machine to record something that's on the radio NOW, your machine craps out. Fix the problem once and for good - that's why the gear mod was done! Anything less than the gear mod is a half assed job, but hey, that's just my opinion. Steve Rudick Audiotech _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Anyone need one? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 12 22:35:47 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:35:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Friend selling a CA-5 preamp Message-ID: <062a01c19bb1$1a10a660$a43442cf@sank1> A local friend of mine is planning to auction his CA-5(not CA-5II), the one excellent sounding "modern" Nak preamp, in perfect condition, with original box & everything. Before he ebays it, I told him to hold off until I ask here if anybody would like to buy it. He's hoping to get $200-ish. Anyone interested? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Jan 12 23:50:08 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:50:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem References: Message-ID: <3C40BD9C.5DFD0E8A@snet.net> I'd completely disagree... first of all, you should know that a Nak with a deteriorating idler wheel does not suddenly crap out with no notice. In fact, you can first hear the chattering... and then see it becoming sluggish toward the end of a side, and so on for quite some time before the deck becomes inoperative. Second of all, my old BX-300 ran for more than 7 years before showing any signs of trouble. While I will agree that the gear mod is ideal, there's nothing wrong with saving some money and taking 15 minutes every few years or so to replace rubber... if only replacing the belts were so easy (at least they'll be available again soon). Ed Steve Rudick wrote: > What you say is true, however, just when you'll want to use your machine to > record something that's on the radio NOW, your machine craps out. Fix the > problem once and for good - that's why the gear mod was done! Anything less > than the gear mod is a half assed job, but hey, that's just my opinion. > > Steve Rudick > Audiotech > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun Jan 13 02:21:15 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:21:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers Message-ID: <000101c19bd1$536ce480$f9253941@compaq> Can the group please advise me as to what they use to clean the rubber pinchrollers? So far I've been advised to go to an audio/video shop or some store which sells professional recording equipment for rubber cleaner and rubber conditioner. I'm also familiar with the sandpaper method. Is there a more common item to clean these rubber rollers with? The technician at where I work says to use Formula 409 because it doesn't leave a residue. I'm not so sure about that. Of course I'm not going to use the 99% isopropyl alcohol which I ues to clean my heads and connections. 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URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Jan 13 04:20:45 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] New CR-5A Owner: Rewind Problem In-Reply-To: <3C40BD9C.5DFD0E8A@snet.net> Message-ID: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, I'm with you. I don't think there is anything wrong with replacing the rubber idler tire every few years. I had my BX-300 over 5 years before it started to give any trouble and at first it was only minor. At the time I just ordered a new idler direct from Nak. I didn't know about the gear idler at the time and even if I did I wouldn't have spend $100-$150 to have it upgraded. Replacing the tire is just too easy. Under 5 minutes if you've done it before and 10 minutes if it's your first time. I suggest replacing it every 2-4 years. Put a label on the back with the date of the last idler replacement and check it every time the olympics come around (every 2 years or so) Unfortunately the tire is no longer available directly from Nak. Dalbani also no longer carries it (I think they discontinues all rubber products). It is still available from Electrosound and a few other sources. I just bought 10 and replaced the idler on one of my RX-202's. (Because of the more complicated mechanism it took me 25-30 minutes) If anyone in the U.S. is interested I'll send you one. Contact me offline, my email address is p9019 at yahoo.com. Scott J. --- Ed Noyes wrote: > I'd completely disagree... first of all, you should > know that a Nak with a > deteriorating idler wheel does not suddenly crap out > with no notice. In fact, you can > first hear the chattering... and then see it > becoming sluggish toward the end of a > side, and so on for quite some time before the deck > becomes inoperative. Second of > all, my old BX-300 ran for more than 7 years before > showing any signs of trouble. > While I will agree that the gear mod is ideal, > there's nothing wrong with saving some > money and taking 15 minutes every few years or so to > replace rubber... if only > replacing the belts were so easy (at least they'll > be available again soon). > > Ed > > Steve Rudick wrote: > > > What you say is true, however, just when you'll > want to use your machine to > > record something that's on the radio NOW, your > machine craps out. Fix the > > problem once and for good - that's why the gear > mod was done! Anything less > > than the gear mod is a half assed job, but hey, > that's just my opinion. > > > > Steve Rudick > > Audiotech > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Jan 13 04:25:32 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:25:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] remote for zx-9 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C04@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0d7d01c19be1$f54262c0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> There was dealer in Germany I have bought some things from in the past who had a RM-200 for sale a few months back. Is that the model you are looking for? I have e-mailed him to see if it is still available. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jan 13 05:33:32 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:33:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Source For Idler Tires References: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C410E19.D3269D38@snet.net> I found this to be a perfect substitute for the Nakamichi idler... www.mcmelectronics.com item #32-5665. At 45 cents each they are a bargain compared to $10 for the disconinued Nak part. Ed Scott Johnson wrote: > Ed, > I'm with you. I don't think there is anything wrong > with replacing the rubber idler tire every few years. > I had my BX-300 over 5 years before it started to give > any trouble and at first it was only minor. At the > time I just ordered a new idler direct from Nak. I > didn't know about the gear idler at the time and even > if I did I wouldn't have spend $100-$150 to have it > upgraded. Replacing the tire is just too easy. Under > 5 minutes if you've done it before and 10 minutes if > it's your first time. I suggest replacing it every > 2-4 years. Put a label on the back with the date of > the last idler replacement and check it every time the > olympics come around (every 2 years or so) > > Unfortunately the tire is no longer available directly > from Nak. Dalbani also no longer carries it (I think > they discontinues all rubber products). It is still > available from Electrosound and a few other sources. > I just bought 10 and replaced the idler on one of my > RX-202's. (Because of the more complicated mechanism > it took me 25-30 minutes) > > If anyone in the U.S. is interested I'll send you one. > Contact me offline, my email address is > p9019 at yahoo.com. > > Scott J. > > --- Ed Noyes wrote: > > I'd completely disagree... first of all, you should > > know that a Nak with a > > deteriorating idler wheel does not suddenly crap out > > with no notice. In fact, you can > > first hear the chattering... and then see it > > becoming sluggish toward the end of a > > side, and so on for quite some time before the deck > > becomes inoperative. Second of > > all, my old BX-300 ran for more than 7 years before > > showing any signs of trouble. > > While I will agree that the gear mod is ideal, > > there's nothing wrong with saving some > > money and taking 15 minutes every few years or so to > > replace rubber... if only > > replacing the belts were so easy (at least they'll > > be available again soon). > > > > Ed > > > > Steve Rudick wrote: > > > > > What you say is true, however, just when you'll > > want to use your machine to > > > record something that's on the radio NOW, your > > machine craps out. Fix the > > > problem once and for good - that's why the gear > > mod was done! Anything less > > > than the gear mod is a half assed job, but hey, > > that's just my opinion. > > > > > > Steve Rudick > > > Audiotech > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jan 13 05:41:05 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:41:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3C410FDE.5605850B@snet.net> It might be worth noting that many of the great Nakamichi's that used the diffused transport came quite near to being rendered permanently inoperative over time. Apparently the company ran out of replacement belts... there were none left and poor Patty in parts had all sorts of people screaming as the back order went from 1 month to indefinite. I have to give great credit to her and Jeff Galin at ESL who both were instrumental to getting the OEM belt manufacturer to agree to tool up a production run of 5,000 of every belt. Along with this is a notice to service centers that this will be the final run on these belts... to expect that when they are gone it will be forever. Now the question is how do you store the spare sets so that they'll be okay in 10 years? Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 13 05:38:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:38:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers References: <000101c19bd1$536ce480$f9253941@compaq> Message-ID: <066601c19bee$50c516e0$a43442cf@sank1> Don't use rubber cleaner. All it does is temporarily make the oxidised surface layer compliant. I recommend using MEK(methyl ethyl ketone), which is anywhere from $10/qt to $15/gal at paint suppliers. It strips the oxidised layer of rubber, leaving a totally new & unharmed surface. It's also the best stuff for head, guide & cap shaft cleaning. Just don't get it on the styrene parts of the machine, such as the plastic parts of the door frame & the display lens. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers Can the group please advise me as to what they use to clean the rubber pinchrollers? So far I've been advised to go to an audio/video shop or some store which sells professional recording equipment for rubber cleaner and rubber conditioner. I'm also familiar with the sandpaper method. Is there a more common item to clean these rubber rollers with? The technician at where I work says to use Formula 409 because it doesn't leave a residue. I'm not so sure about that. Of course I'm not going to use the 99% isopropyl alcohol which I ues to clean my heads and connections. Thanks. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Jan 13 14:47:12 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:47:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Friend selling a CA-5 preamp References: <062a01c19bb1$1a10a660$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c19c38$ce2027c0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> hi, i have bought a CA5 a few month ago and it sounds great. i found it a very good choice for little money. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Friend selling a CA-5 preamp > A local friend of mine is planning to auction his CA-5(not CA-5II), the one > excellent sounding "modern" Nak preamp, in perfect condition, with original > box & everything. Before he ebays it, I told him to hold off until I ask > here if anybody would like to buy it. He's hoping to get $200-ish. Anyone > interested? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 13 15:15:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:15:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Friend selling a CA-5 preamp (plus slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <000801c19c38$ce2027c0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <003501c19c3c$cea56080$c9a587d9@a4s1s2> On the strength of a recommendation from Stephen I was going to buy one for myself, because I wished to upgrade my pre-amp section (not satisfied with the old Quad 44 anymore having heard a better phono section in an old Rotel integrated that I'm currently using as a pre-amp to the Quad 405 pair ... damn! ... plus, the Eico ST70 has won me over to the sound of tubes.) A risk of course, for not having heard it first but, like all things I've ever bought on e-Bay and not liked, I always seem to sell them on if not for a small profit at break-even! So, this opportunity would have been one I'd have taken even if it isn't a tube amp .... except ... the other week I won a Trevor Lees tube pre-amp in Australia for about the same price! Bit of a bargain, I gather - so much so that the main bidder against me was the very guy who made the darned thing in the first place, namely Trev Lees! But I ambushed him in the last minute of the auction .... heh! heh! (Learnt that lesson the hard way ...) Now, again, I don't know what this is going to sound like but I do believe I got this at a good price and could off-load it if I don't like it when it comes .... but my intuition tells me I *will* like it! This is one delivery I am very excited about and can hardly wait for it to arrive! (The child in me lives! But you knew that anyway ...) Anyone else ever heard/used a Trev Lees tube amp? (I gather they are fairly rare as they are all hand built in the workshop of his and his brother's shop in Oz.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Norman van Wijnen Sent: 13 January 2002 01:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Friend selling a CA-5 preamp hi, i have bought a CA5 a few month ago and it sounds great. i found it a very good choice for little money. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Friend selling a CA-5 preamp > A local friend of mine is planning to auction his CA-5(not CA-5II), the one > excellent sounding "modern" Nak preamp, in perfect condition, with original > box & everything. Before he ebays it, I told him to hold off until I ask > here if anybody would like to buy it. He's hoping to get $200-ish. Anyone > interested? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Jan 13 15:57:19 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:57:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3C410FDE.5605850B@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C41A04F.FCE02F85@concentric.net> Ed Noyes wrote: > > It might be worth noting that many of the great > Nakamichi's that used the diffused transport came > quite near to being rendered permanently inoperative > over time. Apparently the company ran out of replacement > belts... there were none left and poor Patty in parts had > all sorts of people screaming as the back order went from > 1 month to indefinite. I have to give great credit to her > and Jeff Galin at ESL who both were instrumental to getting > the OEM belt manufacturer to agree to tool up a production > run of 5,000 of every belt. Along with this is a notice to > service centers that this will be the final run on these > belts... to expect that when they are gone it will be > forever. > Now the question is how do you store the spare sets so that > they'll be okay in 10 years? > > Ed I suppose, store them in a cool, dry, dark place -- and hope for the best. Nothing survives the onslaught of time, least of all, organic materials. Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If for no other reason, then for the increased market value of the deck with them. Who are these new belts available from? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Jan 13 17:04:33 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:04:33 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3C410FDE.5605850B@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C41B011.00000B.01415@mycomputer.coqui.net> Speaking of the near doom of the Naks, we can add that beginning this year of 2002, those few big record labels that were still duplicating cassettes, will stop indefinetely. They'll outsource the service but it's clear that the era of the music duplication in cassettes are over in the USA. Not so in India, Middle East and some South American's. No more cassettes coming from Sony, Universal, BMG manufacturing plants. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, January 12, 2002 03:44:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's It might be worth noting that many of the great Nakamichi's that used the diffused transport came quite near to being rendered permanently inoperative over time. Apparently the company ran out of replacement belts... there were none left and poor Patty in parts had all sorts of people screaming as the back order went from 1 month to indefinite. I have to give great credit to her and Jeff Galin at ESL who both were instrumental to getting the OEM belt manufacturer to agree to tool up a production run of 5,000 of every belt. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 13 16:07:46 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 15:07:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's In-Reply-To: <3C41A04F.FCE02F85@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004a01c19c44$0f1925a0$c9a587d9@a4s1s2> Any thoughts on what one should stock up with to keep the ZX9 and BX1 going for another decade or two?? Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Jan 13 16:46:23 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:46:23 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5916@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> ZX-9: 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (a couple would be better) 2. Pinch rollers (2) 3. Tape guides (2) 4. Set of heads BX-1: 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (3-4 pcs.) or, alternatively, gear upgrade 2. Pinch roller assembly 3. rec./pb head 4. Capstan belt Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's > > Any thoughts on what one should stock up with to keep the ZX9 and BX1 > going > for another decade or two?? > > Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Jan 13 17:03:02 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:03:02 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5917@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Which ones? There are NO essential belts within CR-7. It's DD. You mean those for the counter? Our small enterprise (owned by your faithful servant and his friend), which is specialized in Nakamichi repairs here in Moscow, Russia, has to thank for it's existence (BRAND NEW spare parts wise) Mr. Jeffrey Galin exclusively. Nick > Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If for no other > reason, then for the increased market value of the deck with them. Who are > these new belts available > from? > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 13 17:58:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:58:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5916@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <006201c19c53$83bb66c0$c9a587d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Nick Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Igritski Nick Sent: 13 January 2002 03:46 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's Importance: High ZX-9: 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (a couple would be better) 2. Pinch rollers (2) 3. Tape guides (2) 4. Set of heads BX-1: 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (3-4 pcs.) or, alternatively, gear upgrade 2. Pinch roller assembly 3. rec./pb head 4. Capstan belt Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Jan 13 22:23:31 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 16:23:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] remote for zx-9 References: <001701c19bea$4a60e080$23ca6395@h4y1l2> Message-ID: <00a901c19c78$8d8644c0$68021fac@brianm> Try Jeffrey at www.eslabs.com, he may still have one. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Jan 14 00:36:20 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:36:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5917@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3C4219F4.5791DCE2@concentric.net> Actually, Nick, the capstan belt (OC80634A) is a very essential part. IIRC, it's the only belt in the CR-7. The counter is electronic -- no belts required... -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > > Which ones? There are NO essential belts within CR-7. It's DD. You mean > those for the counter? > > Our small enterprise (owned by your faithful servant and his friend), which > is specialized in Nakamichi repairs here in Moscow, Russia, has to thank for > it's existence (BRAND NEW spare parts wise) Mr. Jeffrey Galin exclusively. > > Nick > > > Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If for no other > > reason, then for the increased market value of the deck with them. Who are > > these new belts available > > from? > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 14 02:06:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:06:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5917@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> <3C4219F4.5791DCE2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <076b01c19c97$b40c8a40$a43442cf@sank1> Yes, I was going to add that, and that there is also a capstan belt in the ZX-9. Both are single DD, with a belt coupling the DD motor flywheel on the right to the flywheel on the left. Same goes for BX300, MR1, CR4 & CR5. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's > > Actually, Nick, the capstan belt (OC80634A) is a very > essential part. IIRC, it's the only belt in the CR-7. > The counter is electronic -- no belts required... > > -- Ron > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > Which ones? There are NO essential belts within CR-7. It's DD. You mean > > those for the counter? > > > > Our small enterprise (owned by your faithful servant and his friend), which > > is specialized in Nakamichi repairs here in Moscow, Russia, has to thank for > > it's existence (BRAND NEW spare parts wise) Mr. Jeffrey Galin exclusively. > > > > Nick > > > > > Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If for no other > > > reason, then for the increased market value of the deck with them. Who are > > > these new belts available > > > from? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 14 02:10:52 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:10:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: hey, Nak question(600II o.m.) Message-ID: <077701c19c98$50708d00$a43442cf@sank1> Can anyone help this guy out with an owner's manual for a 600II or 600? I got nothin. It's not on the ftp site, either. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd S." To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: hey, Nak question Hey- My name's Todd and i was wondering if you had the owners manual for the Nak 600II tape deck, or if you knew where i could find it. I would appreciate it very much. Thanks Todd S. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jan 14 03:50:09 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:50:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: hey, Nak question(600II o.m.) References: <077701c19c98$50708d00$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C42475D.498EAC71@snet.net> Hi Stephen, I'm pretty positive that I still have a 600II manual (and the original literature too). Shoot me an address and I'll photocopy it at work and send it off. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Can anyone help this guy out with an owner's manual for a 600II or 600? I > got nothin. It's not on the ftp site, either. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Todd S." > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:17 PM > Subject: hey, Nak question > > Hey- > My name's Todd and i was wondering if you had the owners manual for the Nak > 600II tape deck, or if you knew where i could find it. I would appreciate > it very much. > Thanks > Todd S. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jan 14 04:01:00 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:01:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3C410FDE.5605850B@snet.net> <3C41A04F.FCE02F85@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C4249E8.3CE58E03@snet.net> > I suppose, store them in a cool, dry, dark place -- and > hope for the best. Nothing survives the onslaught of time, > least of all, organic materials. > > Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If > for no other reason, then for the increased market value > of the deck with them. Who are these new belts available > from? > > -- Ron You'd want to contact Patty in parts in Torrence, CA. I've got the number at work, but will take it down and e-mail it. I last talked to her about 3 weeks ago when she announced that belts would be available by the end of the year (2001). I faxed an order to her, but have not seen them yet... of course with the huge backorder it may well be a little while before they catch up on shipments. Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 14 04:10:45 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:10:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: hey, Nak question(600II o.m.) References: <077701c19c98$50708d00$a43442cf@sank1> <3C42475D.498EAC71@snet.net> Message-ID: <07e301c19ca9$0fa8a080$a43442cf@sank1> Can you just shoot an email to the guy directly? It's down below>>>v Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fw: hey, Nak question(600II o.m.) > Hi Stephen, > > I'm pretty positive that I still have a 600II manual (and the original literature > too). Shoot me an address and I'll photocopy it at work and send it off. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Can anyone help this guy out with an owner's manual for a 600II or 600? I > > got nothin. It's not on the ftp site, either. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Todd S." > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:17 PM > > Subject: hey, Nak question > > > > Hey- > > My name's Todd and i was wondering if you had the owners manual for the Nak > > 600II tape deck, or if you knew where i could find it. I would appreciate > > it very much. > > Thanks > > Todd S. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From todd at serafingroup.com Mon Jan 14 04:26:08 2002 From: todd at serafingroup.com (Todd S.) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:26:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: hey, Nak question(600II o.m.) References: <077701c19c98$50708d00$a43442cf@sank1> <3C42475D.498EAC71@snet.net> Message-ID: <003001c19cab$35e930a0$fbfea8c0@Ameritech.net> Hey all- I was just wondering if Nakamichi still makes analog cassettes and where i could get them Thanks Todd S. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jan 14 05:06:33 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:06:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's References: <20020113032045.1558.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> <3C410FDE.5605850B@snet.net> <3C41A04F.FCE02F85@concentric.net> <3C4249E8.3CE58E03@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C425949.E56049FA@concentric.net> Ed Noyes wrote: > > > I suppose, store them in a cool, dry, dark place -- and > > hope for the best. Nothing survives the onslaught of time, > > least of all, organic materials. > > > > Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If > > for no other reason, then for the increased market value > > of the deck with them. Who are these new belts available > > from? > > > > -- Ron > > You'd want to contact Patty in parts in Torrence, CA. I've got > the number at work, but will take it down and e-mail it. I > last talked to her about 3 weeks ago when she announced that > belts would be available by the end of the year (2001). I > faxed an order to her, but have not seen them yet... of course > with the huge backorder it may well be a little while before > they catch up on shipments. Thanks. I'll give her a call. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 14 05:33:16 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:33:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C0A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Stephen, I think this is used as a paint stripper. I have a tin of this but it's in gel form, is yours in liquid form? Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2002 3:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers Don't use rubber cleaner. All it does is temporarily make the oxidised surface layer compliant. I recommend using MEK(methyl ethyl ketone), which is anywhere from $10/qt to $15/gal at paint suppliers. It strips the oxidised layer of rubber, leaving a totally new & unharmed surface. It's also the best stuff for head, guide & cap shaft cleaning. Just don't get it on the styrene parts of the machine, such as the plastic parts of the door frame & the display lens. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers Can the group please advise me as to what they use to clean the rubber pinchrollers? So far I've been advised to go to an audio/video shop or some store which sells professional recording equipment for rubber cleaner and rubber conditioner. I'm also familiar with the sandpaper method. Is there a more common item to clean these rubber rollers with? The technician at where I work says to use Formula 409 because it doesn't leave a residue. I'm not so sure about that. Of course I'm not going to use the 99% isopropyl alcohol which I ues to clean my heads and connections. Thanks. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 14 06:11:58 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:11:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C0A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <080d01c19cb9$fe850da0$a43442cf@sank1> I haven't seen MEK in a gel form, only methyl chloride based strippers. The pure MEK I use for decks is a perfectly water-like liquid, but with a nice nasty kick to the smell. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers > Stephen, > > I think this is used as a paint stripper. I have a tin of this but it's in gel form, is yours in liquid form? > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2002 3:39 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers > > > Don't use rubber cleaner. All it does is temporarily make the oxidised > surface layer compliant. I recommend using MEK(methyl ethyl ketone), which > is anywhere from $10/qt to $15/gal at paint suppliers. It strips the > oxidised layer of rubber, leaving a totally new & unharmed surface. It's > also the best stuff for head, guide & cap shaft cleaning. Just don't get it > on the styrene parts of the machine, such as the plastic parts of the door > frame & the display lens. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:21 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers > > > Can the group please advise me as to what they use to clean the rubber > pinchrollers? > So far I've been advised to go to an audio/video shop or some store which > sells professional recording equipment for rubber cleaner and rubber > conditioner. I'm also familiar with the sandpaper method. > Is there a more common item to clean these rubber rollers with? > The technician at where I work says to use Formula 409 because it doesn't > leave a residue. I'm not so sure about that. > Of course I'm not going to use the 99% isopropyl alcohol which I ues to > clean my heads and connections. > Thanks. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Jan 14 11:22:55 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:22:55 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5918@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Sorry guys! You are right! I was working on a Dragon and all thought were devoted to it... No wonder confusion took place! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 4:07 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's > > Yes, I was going to add that, and that there is also a capstan belt in the > ZX-9. Both are single DD, with a belt coupling the DD motor flywheel on > the > right to the flywheel on the left. Same goes for BX300, MR1, CR4 & CR5. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's > > > > > > Actually, Nick, the capstan belt (OC80634A) is a very > > essential part. IIRC, it's the only belt in the CR-7. > > The counter is electronic -- no belts required... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Igritski Nick wrote: > > > > > > Which ones? There are NO essential belts within CR-7. It's DD. You > mean > > > those for the counter? > > > > > > Our small enterprise (owned by your faithful servant and his friend), > which > > > is specialized in Nakamichi repairs here in Moscow, Russia, has to > thank > for > > > it's existence (BRAND NEW spare parts wise) Mr. Jeffrey Galin > exclusively. > > > > > > Nick > > > > > > > Personally, I would buy a set or two of the CR-7 belts. If for no > other > > > > reason, then for the increased market value of the deck with them. > Who > are > > > > these new belts available > > > > from? > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Mon Jan 14 11:29:46 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 13:29:46 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5919@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi Kannan, I worked on 5 or 6 single capstan BX-s, 4 of which required pinch roller replacement as the original ones were heavily concavedm or hardened and squeezed the tape out of the path. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Kannan Srinivas [SMTP:kannans at giasbg01.vsnl.net.in] > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE : RE: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi > > > > > Nick > Sankyo transport ( BX / CR /DR series)generally does not require pinch > rollers - a compensation for the idler goof up! They are fine even after > 10 years of use - cleaning it with Stephen' reco ( MEK)would be fine while > ZX9/ Nak original mechanism requires replacement of pinch rollars. > CR7 does require a capstan belt as only one capstan is driven by DD and > the other is belt driven unlike Dragon. I think generally Nak will live > through next decade with available spares and interested nakomaniacs like > us! > But - we will see the death of cassettes even in india as some Music CDs > of Indian pop and sound tracks are priced around 2 $ a piece slowly > killing cassette format! > Kannan > > > > > At Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:46:23 +0300, Igritski Nick > wrote: > > > ZX-9: > > 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (a couple would be better) > 2. Pinch rollers (2) > 3. Tape guides (2) > 4. Set of heads > > BX-1: > 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (3-4 pcs.) or, alternatively, gear > upgrade > 2. Pinch roller assembly > 3. rec./pb head > 4. Capstan belt > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:08 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's > > > > Any thoughts on what one should stock up with to keep the ZX9 and BX1 > > going > > for another decade or two?? > > > > Graham > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Jan 14 14:57:26 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:57:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] re 700 ZXE Message-ID: <000a01c19d03$67864500$af16fea9@wdrewes> I was given the 700 ZXE which does not record or playback - the motion of "lift up", turning etc. are all there but no sound! Here in South Africa there is no one specialising in these classical decks and I know of no one. My electronic guru who seems to know his way around says he will attempt repairs provided he can get :- 1. an owners / operators manual 2. repair manual or circuit diagrams (should there be something similar for the noise reduction box accompanying this deck thisas well please) Can anyone please help on either or both by pdf. Thank you Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Jan 15 00:00:41 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:00:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi References: <20020114034720.CAF7E7559@blr.vsnl.net.in> Message-ID: <000d01c19d4f$4b2e7e80$af8ee2c3@a9u3z8> Then we will all end up with great looking museum pieces and treasured memories while all around is compressed digital dross! Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan Srinivas To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE : RE: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi > > > > Nick > Sankyo transport ( BX / CR /DR series)generally does not require pinch rollers - a compensation for the idler goof up! They are fine even after 10 years of use - cleaning it with Stephen' reco ( MEK)would be fine while ZX9/ Nak original mechanism requires replacement of pinch rollars. > CR7 does require a capstan belt as only one capstan is driven by DD and the other is belt driven unlike Dragon. I think generally Nak will live through next decade with available spares and interested nakomaniacs like us! > But - we will see the death of cassettes even in india as some Music CDs of Indian pop and sound tracks are priced around 2 $ a piece slowly killing cassette format! > Kannan > > > > > At Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:46:23 +0300, Igritski Nick wrote: > > > ZX-9: > > 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (a couple would be better) > 2. Pinch rollers (2) > 3. Tape guides (2) > 4. Set of heads > > BX-1: > 1. Idler (tire with hub or just tire) (3-4 pcs.) or, alternatively, gear > upgrade > 2. Pinch roller assembly > 3. rec./pb head > 4. Capstan belt > > Nick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 6:08 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The near doom of the great Nakamichi's > > > > Any thoughts on what one should stock up with to keep the ZX9 and BX1 > > going > > for another decade or two?? > > > > Graham > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers > Stephen, > > Quick question... wondering if CA-5 can be used as exclusive PHONO pre-amp which inturn can be connected to Nakamichi CA-1 pre-amp? Will this setup be a problem ? > > > > TURNTABLE ---> CA-5(PHONO) ---> Nakamichi CA-1 ---> Nakamichi PA-1 -> SPEAKERS > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Vinod > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers > >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:38:30 -0700 > > > >Don't use rubber cleaner. All it does is temporarily make the oxidised > >surface layer compliant. I recommend using MEK(methyl ethyl ketone), which > >is anywhere from $10/qt to $15/gal at paint suppliers. It strips the > >oxidised layer of rubber, leaving a totally new & unharmed surface. It's > >also the best stuff for head, guide & cap shaft cleaning. Just don't get it > >on the styrene parts of the machine, such as the plastic parts of the door > >frame & the display lens. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "bigbear69" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:21 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning the Rubber Pinchrollers > > > > > >Can the group please advise me as to what they use to clean the rubber > >pinchrollers? > >So far I've been advised to go to an audio/video shop or some store which > >sells professional recording equipment for rubber cleaner and rubber > >conditioner. I'm also familiar with the sandpaper method. > >Is there a more common item to clean these rubber rollers with? > >The technician at where I work says to use Formula 409 because it doesn't > >leave a residue. I'm not so sure about that. > >Of course I'm not going to use the 99% isopropyl alcohol which I ues to > >clean my heads and connections. > >Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 15 05:31:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:31:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] re 700 ZXE References: <000a01c19d03$67864500$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <00e301c19d7d$8d658cc0$a43442cf@sank1> Firstly, on getting the service & owner's manuals, go to http://www.schaltungsdienst.de/ & email a request to someone on the "kontakt" page. This should be the easiest & cheapest way for you to get them. Secondly, on the symptom, you first need to positively confirm that the mode cam(head lifting mech) is actually reaching the proper position for play/rec. This is done by looking at the position pointer & cam marks through a window that is behind the cassette well back plate. Sounds easy, but removing the plate requires removing the whole front panel, which is a minor pain, but not at all time consuming. If the position is off for the "py"(play/rec) position, then there are adjust pots on the logic board that are marked "play", "stop" & "cue". One needs to adjust the play position, then adjust the stop position, then play again, then stop again, as the two influence each other. If the cam adjustments are not the problem, then the most likely failure mode is "orange cap disease", which is the single or cascade failure of a few or many of the ubiquitous orange-colored polyester film caps(the epoxy-dipped things) in all sections of the unit, but especially in the PB Dolby amps & the erase/bias oscillator. It is ALWAYS a good idea to replace ALL such caps in ANY Nak deck, with ANY other polyester or polystyrene film caps that are not orange in color(we have yet to discover the maker of these nasties). Of course, the microfarad or picofarad value of each cap needs to be the same, but the voltage can be anything of 50V or higher. I very much doubt that one or both of the above are not the cure, entirely, for the problems. But let me know if they are not & we'll discuss other, much more unlikely, possibilities. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "wme drewes" To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] re 700 ZXE I was given the 700 ZXE which does not record or playback - the motion of "lift up", turning etc. are all there but no sound! Here in South Africa there is no one specialising in these classical decks and I know of no one. My electronic guru who seems to know his way around says he will attempt repairs provided he can get :- 1. an owners / operators manual 2. repair manual or circuit diagrams (should there be something similar for the noise reduction box accompanying this deck thisas well please) Can anyone please help on either or both by pdf. Thank you Walter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 15 09:54:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 01:54:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-5? Message-ID: <000901c19da2$316749c0$203442cf@sank1> I would just like to take this opportunity to say, "Nakamichi, my ass!" about this p.o.s.: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322600030 Yuk! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 15 12:06:14 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:06:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts Message-ID: <3C440D26.931AF313@sunint.co.za> Hello Naktalkers Discussing the issue of ferreting (squirreling... for equal opportunities animal lovers) things like rubber capstan belts, tires and pinch rollers - would it not be feasible to cyrovac the item? This is vaccuum packing of the item using a decent, reasonably thick polythene. Making sure that the item, in particular, a rubber belt is not deformed in the process. I would have thought this would protect a natural substances like rubber from the atmospheric weathering that exposure to the air would exact over time. At least it would retard the process... Am I thinking straight, or was I sleeping during a physics and chem class??? Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au Tue Jan 15 12:44:20 2002 From: tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au (tom.siomopoulos at nec.com.au) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:44:20 PST Subject: [naktalk] Interesting item on eBay Australia web site item#1321584545: maxell xl/xls cassette tape 500 dead shows Message-ID: <200201151144.g0FBiKr30844@bareil.ebay.com> Does anyone want 500 Maxell XL/XL-S cassettes? Title of item: maxell xl/xls cassette tape 500 dead shows Seller: thejazkat Starts: 13-Jan-02 14:02:35 AEDST Ends: 20-Jan-02 14:02:35 AEDST Price: Starts at US $100.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321584545 Item Description: 500 maxell xls & xl 90/100 over 500 tapes, the newer grey ones all collected after 1993. Stored in A/C home in southern cal. email for the exact list of contents. I don't want more than the value of the cassette Tape. All are lo gen DSBD/SBD or master analog 90% are A to A+ mostly sbd. 1.00-1.25 ea. shipped insured $90. ups paypal cash money order Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com.au ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 15 13:00:34 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:00:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXE (Walter) Message-ID: <3C4419E1.4D57BA22@sunint.co.za> Pending the likelihood of my Groupwise not working, I resend this message re Walter's 700 ZXE on Netscape. Thanks for your patience. Hi Walter, With respect, of course, to your regular electronics service guy, do NOT let him loose on a Nakamichi 700ZXE. Incidently, you are very fortunate to have been 'given" such a machine!! Without doubt, your best option for having your deck brought up to spec by a properly trained Nakamichi technician is to contact "Raymond" at Johannesburg: RAYMOND ( NAKAMICHI ) CELL NO AFTER 17H00 (082)401-4033 Although he is currently with Sony in the Midrand, he maintains the majority of the nations Naks after hours. Walter, please bear in mind, Hans Lemmerer, one of the country's cassette and reel-reel gurus (handles Tandberg, ReVox and Tascam) won't touch Nakamichi, schematics or not. For a start, one needs the calibration tapes which are way different to those for other decks. At a push and a shove, you could consult Solly Omar, also in Joeys, who is with the official agent, but is personally, kind of new to the game of nak cassette decks. He has the spares though. Please give me a call, if there is any further info you need: (051)871-4609 (W) (051)871-4726 (H) (083)364-0287 (Cell) I am in Thaba 'Nchu Sun (80km from Bloem). Either that, or drop me your number!! Where are you? Best wishes, Marc Hugo >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 01/14/02 03:57PM >>> I was given the 700 ZXE which does not record or playback - the motion of "lift up", turning etc. are all there but no sound! Here in South Africa there is no one specialising in these classical decks and I know of no one. My electronic guru who seems to know his way around says he will attempt repairs provided he can get :- 1. an owners / operators manual 2. repair manual or circuit diagrams (should there be something similar for the noise reduction box accompanying this deck thisas well please) Can anyone please help on either or both by pdf. Thank you Walter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 15 16:37:26 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:37:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <3C440D26.931AF313@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002801c19dda$892c55a0$a83442cf@sank1> You're quite correct. Even just a normal ziplock plastic bag keeps belts fresh for at least five years, in my experience. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 4:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts > Hello Naktalkers > > Discussing the issue of ferreting (squirreling... for equal > opportunities animal lovers) things like rubber capstan belts, tires and > pinch rollers - would it not be feasible to cyrovac the item? This is > vaccuum packing of the item using a decent, reasonably thick polythene. > Making sure that the item, in particular, a rubber belt is not deformed > in the process. I would have thought this would protect a natural > substances like rubber from the atmospheric weathering that exposure to > the air would exact over time. At least it would retard the process... > > Am I thinking straight, or was I sleeping during a physics and chem > class??? > > Cheers, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Jan 15 17:08:33 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:08:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <3C440D26.931AF313@sunint.co.za> <002801c19dda$892c55a0$a83442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006401c19dde$e1dde200$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not squirt a bit of argon or the like into a well sealed container? erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 17:26:39 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 08:26:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts In-Reply-To: <006401c19dde$e1dde200$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I was thinking of wrapping them in acid free paper placing them in a sealed plastic bag filled with dry nitrogen, then sealing it again in a light tight bag and stored in the back of my frig. That should keep them fresh for at least 5 years and 6 months. SJ --- erie patsellis wrote: > Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not squirt > a bit of > argon or the like into a well sealed container? > > > erie > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Jan 15 17:42:34 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:42:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c19de3$a2b989d0$66021fac@brianm> Sheesh, how about we ask NASA to shoot them up in space for safe keeping? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > I was thinking of wrapping them in acid free paper > placing them in a sealed plastic bag filled with dry > nitrogen, then sealing it again in a light tight bag > and stored in the back of my frig. That should keep > them fresh for at least 5 years and 6 months. > > SJ > --- erie patsellis wrote: > > Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not squirt > > a bit of > > argon or the like into a well sealed container? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 15 17:44:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:44:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <3C440D26.931AF313@sunint.co.za> <002801c19dda$892c55a0$a83442cf@sank1> <006401c19dde$e1dde200$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <010101c19de3$e90a7c00$a83442cf@sank1> No, you should use nitrous oxide. Then you can have a laugh when you finally crack the bag open to use the belt. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "erie patsellis" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts > Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not squirt a bit of > argon or the like into a well sealed container? > > > erie > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Tue Jan 15 20:47:42 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 11:47:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003d01c19dfd$d6b99da0$5fd36bd8@djkjrhilw5x06s> friend of mine tried this method, worked pretty good, till the police raided his apartment. Although he was storing used body parts. Yup old Jeffy Dahmer, quite a character....I think Lorena Bobbit was storing some item in a bagggie too....Damon > I was thinking of wrapping them in acid free paper > placing them in a sealed plastic bag filled with dry > nitrogen, then sealing it again in a light tight bag > and stored in the back of my frig. That should keep > them fresh for at least 5 years and 6 months. > > SJ > --- erie patsellis wrote: > > Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not squirt > > a bit of > > argon or the like into a well sealed container? > > > > > > erie > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Jan 15 18:40:01 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:40:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts In-Reply-To: <00bf01c19de3$a2b989d0$66021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <20020115174001.94293.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> No, that's no good. The vacuum of space would cause the rubber to outgas, the UV would break the molecules and the extreme hot and cold, well, just isn't a good idea. :-) SJ --- Brian Miller wrote: > Sheesh, how about we ask NASA to shoot them up in > space for safe keeping? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > > I was thinking of wrapping them in acid free paper > > placing them in a sealed plastic bag filled with > dry > > nitrogen, then sealing it again in a light tight > bag > > and stored in the back of my frig. That should > keep > > them fresh for at least 5 years and 6 months. > > > > SJ > > --- erie patsellis > wrote: > > > Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not > squirt > > > a bit of > > > argon or the like into a well sealed container? > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Jan 15 18:54:14 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:54:14 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01c19ded$a55f9800$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> How about if we covered them in SPF 30 sunscreen before shooting them into space? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Jan 15 19:30:44 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:30:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <00bf01c19de3$a2b989d0$66021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C447554.D09B5F27@earthlink.net> LOL! Jim Volpatti Brian Miller wrote: > Sheesh, how about we ask NASA to shoot them up in space for safe keeping? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > > I was thinking of wrapping them in acid free paper > > placing them in a sealed plastic bag filled with dry > > nitrogen, then sealing it again in a light tight bag > > and stored in the back of my frig. That should keep > > them fresh for at least 5 years and 6 months. > > > > SJ > > --- erie patsellis wrote: > > > Assuming the main aging is oxidation, why not squirt > > > a bit of > > > argon or the like into a well sealed container? > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Jan 15 20:44:38 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 14:44:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts In-Reply-To: <003d01c19dfd$d6b99da0$5fd36bd8@djkjrhilw5x06s> References: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020115143756.01fc9ec0@mail.verizon.net> This is getting silly. I find it much more convenient to just store body parts in the freezer. * Seriously, folks, Put them in a sealed baggie with some talcum powder the way you find bicycle tubes packaged. ________________ Marc Stager No I'm not THAT weird. Legs of lamb, spare ribs, chicken wings, assorted livers and kidneys - those are body parts, right? ============================== At 1/15/02, you wrote: >friend of mine tried this method, worked pretty good, till the police raided >his apartment. Although he was storing used body parts. Yup old Jeffy >Dahmer, quite a character....I think Lorena Bobbit was storing some item in >a bagggie too....Damon ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > I would just like to take this opportunity to say, "Nakamichi, my ass!" > about this p.o.s.: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322600030 > Yuk! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jan 16 02:29:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:29:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <20020115162639.41298.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020115143756.01fc9ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <01ae01c19e2d$41382500$a83442cf@sank1> Well, dead animal parts are just as offensive to me as dead people parts, so you're just as evil in my book. =) Been a vegetarian for 20 years. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts > This is getting silly. > I find it much more convenient to just store > body parts in the freezer. * > > Seriously, folks, > > Put them in a sealed baggie with some talcum > powder the way you find bicycle tubes packaged. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > No I'm not THAT weird. Legs of lamb, spare ribs, chicken wings, > assorted livers and kidneys - those are body parts, right? > > ============================== > > At 1/15/02, you wrote: > >friend of mine tried this method, worked pretty good, till the police raided > >his apartment. Although he was storing used body parts. Yup old Jeffy > >Dahmer, quite a character....I think Lorena Bobbit was storing some item in > >a bagggie too....Damon > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jan 16 02:32:53 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:32:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-5? References: Message-ID: <01c001c19e2d$b859e2e0$a83442cf@sank1> The DR-5 is clearly something like the godawful CP-1 of the early '80's, i.e., an OEM el-cheapo mechanism/heads/guts from another company, with a Nak label stuck on. It's always been a big mistake the few times Nak has done such things. They should have learned by now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-5? > Stephen, > > Out of curiousity and being new to the Nak world, what is bad about the > DR-5? Does it not compare in terms of quality with the DR-8 and DR-10 of > the same vintage? > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I would just like to take this opportunity to say, "Nakamichi, my ass!" > > about this p.o.s.: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322600030 > > Yuk! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Wed Jan 16 03:15:11 2002 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:15:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts Message-ID: <200201152115_MC3-EE07-971B@compuserve.com> guys, guys, condom manufacturers have this perfected. Herb... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 16 07:25:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 06:25:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DR-5? In-Reply-To: <01c001c19e2d$b859e2e0$a83442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002b01c19e56$97a789c0$40a587d9@a4s1s2> Mmmm ... what some of us might call an "Accountant's product", as in one of those companies where accountants are running marketing and product development rather than any focus on customer wants and needs .... Got the same problem at the bank where I work! They say all the right things in terms of "customer focus" and "customer relationship management" but they don't mean it! They are really dinosaurs that hark back to the days of "product focus", when the company made the product THEY wanted to make, at a price they wanted to make it and only THEN thought about who they might sell it to. Wrong way around, of course. But it's usually the same when the accountants seize control ... (Sorry if I offend any accountants ... I know you're not all the same! There are SOME exceptions to the rule!) Graham (on the edge again of losing his job because of, guess who? Yep! Accountants again!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 16 January 2002 01:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-5? The DR-5 is clearly something like the godawful CP-1 of the early '80's, i.e., an OEM el-cheapo mechanism/heads/guts from another company, with a Nak label stuck on. It's always been a big mistake the few times Nak has done such things. They should have learned by now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DR-5? > Stephen, > > Out of curiousity and being new to the Nak world, what is bad about the > DR-5? Does it not compare in terms of quality with the DR-8 and DR-10 of > the same vintage? > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I would just like to take this opportunity to say, "Nakamichi, my ass!" > > about this p.o.s.: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322600030 > > Yuk! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 16 08:12:40 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 09:12:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR-5? Message-ID: Hi Erik, I know you addressed your query to Stephen, but just to say, the two machines share no lineage whatsoever, having looked at them closely from the outside, and heard them both. Funnily enough, I heard a DR-5 as part of some soundpsace (probably)system before I heard a DR-8 which has been around for a while. The DR-5 firstly should never have carried the DR name, never mind the Nakamichi name. It's misleading for consumers and of course Nakamichi is wringing as much goodwill as it can from its reputation for cassette decks. The DR-5 physically and sonically resembles some of the Sony and Pioneer mini-size front loading cassette decks. The sound (with a well recorded chrome) displayed gritty (not extended at all) highs, a muddy midrange (courtesy of a shoddy single capstan transport, no doubt) and no bass to speak of. The DR-8 is in another league altogether, as is the DR-10 of course. Wonderful performance, even for those of us spoilt with the big guns of the 80s and early 90s. Cheers, Marc >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 01/15/02 10:48PM >>> Stephen, Out of curiousity and being new to the Nak world, what is bad about the DR-5? Does it not compare in terms of quality with the DR-8 and DR-10 of the same vintage? Thanks, Erik. On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > I would just like to take this opportunity to say, "Nakamichi, my ass!" > about this p.o.s.: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1322600030 > Yuk! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Jan 16 16:15:53 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 15:15:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Long term storage of rubber and rubber-based parts References: <200201152115_MC3-EE07-971B@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3C459929.BDE17AA4@yahoo.com> And when your belts and pinch rollers are made made of latex you'll be able to keep them fresh for years. In your wallet probably. Javier Herb Chong wrote: > > guys, guys, condom manufacturers have this perfected. > > Herb... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jan 17 04:23:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:23:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Original 700ZXE service manual for $20USD Message-ID: <03c001c19f06$58d72740$a83442cf@sank1> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1323235227 "Buy it now" price of $20USD on it. I already have one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Jan 17 19:18:26 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <018301c198c5$a30249e0$a43442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020107154754.01f90ec0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020108205740.01f77880@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117130432.01f7dea0@mail.verizon.net> I received this e-mail today: ----------------------- Dear Marc Stager, Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 only! We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. (Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! Sincerly Nak User! :-) Masayuki Suzuki from Aichi, Japan ----------------------------- I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up within the US and Japan. This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 17 22:28:25 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 08:28:25 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Marc I agree with you 100 percent. Here in Australia the stores don't stock anymore Metal tapes except TDK's MA (Japan tape assembled in Korea type). I'm currently buying stock from E-bay, just recently I purchased 4 un-opened TDK MA-XG 60. So there is stock out there but it's a bit of a pain finding them. Hope you find the Sony ES. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Marc Stager [mailto:Marc at Stager.com] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 5:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I received this e-mail today: ----------------------- Dear Marc Stager, Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 only! We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. (Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! Sincerly Nak User! :-) Masayuki Suzuki from Aichi, Japan ----------------------------- I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up within the US and Japan. This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jan 17 23:52:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:52:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002001c19fa9$96625280$019c87d9@a4s1s2> Take a looksee .... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1320578632 Not ES but Sony Metal Master ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Jan 18 04:03:07 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:03:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020117130432.01f7dea0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000701c19fcc$a8c9d970$217ba8c0@henry> TDK still shows the MA-110 for sale on their web site, but they are listed at $24.95. ouch. http://www.tdkestore.com/prline.asp?prl=audio&cat=analog Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I received this e-mail today: ----------------------- Dear Marc Stager, Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 only! We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. (Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! Sincerly Nak User! :-) Masayuki Suzuki from Aichi, Japan ----------------------------- I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up within the US and Japan. This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. ________________ Marc Stager ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Jan 18 06:23:46 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:23:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <000701c19fcc$a8c9d970$217ba8c0@henry> Message-ID: <003e01c19fe0$52db9ee0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> TDK MA 110: Of course that's $24.95 for a 10 pack, not each...... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Jan 18 06:42:49 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 21:42:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <003e01c19fe0$52db9ee0$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <004e01c19fe2$f78ca720$217ba8c0@henry> Whew, I am so relieved. (and embarrassed I missed that fact) Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford 2 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 9:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES TDK MA 110: Of course that's $24.95 for a 10 pack, not each...... ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Jan 18 08:55:51 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:55:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tapes Message-ID: I would like once again to recommend highly to the group the Metal Maxima TP IV Reference tape by BASF, now Emtec - I think others in this part of the world will support me (Nick ?). It blew away the Made in Luxembourg TDK MA (which seems to be the only source for TDK in Europe and all tapes coming from there are absolute crap, incl. the VHS) on my B-215 (sorry guys, no Nak any more). I am 100% sure that they are sold online at least in Germany, though I don't know about shipment overseas. I am sure Klaus and/or the other Nakkers in Germany can assist further. I did try sending a batch of 20 C-90s to our member Kevin in Canada, but that was right after September 11th and since I didn't hear from him, it looks like they've been lost. Kevin, I did receive your money, so pls let me know if you got the tapes - if you didn't, I'll try again. As for the rest of the group - I'm no longer in Germany, which is why I'm not offering my services and referring you to Klaus et al. I made a commitment to Kevin and will follow it through, but I really can't help anyone else. George _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Jan 18 11:01:54 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:01:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Metal Maxima TP IV Message-ID: <3C47F292.FD298CE3@sunint.co.za> I would agree with George Valkov on the excellence of the BASF Metal Maxima tape. Nicholas in Moscow was kind enough to do me a recording on this exceptional media. It is extremely quiet, natural sounding and stable. Dynamics are top flight. Nicholas can also attest to the longevity and durability of these tapes being much better in this respect than the current range of TDK. For those of you presently gathering metal tape into your stash as the opportunity arises, you will not regret investing in several boxes of this one. As George mentions the Luxembourgeois (sic) TDK MAs, I have had no experience of them. The ones we get here are all Japanese. I, however, have no problem from with Maxells from Tepley in the UK. They seem to be interchangeable with the Japanese ones. I do use the (Jap) TDK MA from time to time and quite like them, but the quality of mechanism is not up to MX-S or Metal Maxima standards. BASF (under the new label, EMTEC) seem to be quite resolved to staying in the magnetic tape and cassette business. Incidently, the Chrome Maxima TPII is also very good. For our American friends, Total Media has the Reference Master Emtecs (should be the same as Chrome Maximas) in a range of lengths. They also have TDK MAs. ProTape additionally has Fuji Metal cassettes for those that like them. Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 19 04:10:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:10:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Communicator Series In-Reply-To: <3C47F292.FD298CE3@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <002b01c1a096$d4540820$70f2883e@a4s1s2> Anyone know these tapes and if they are any good for audio recordings? Graham - ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 19 04:25:20 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:25:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Communicator Series References: <002b01c1a096$d4540820$70f2883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <069f01c1a098$ed1da260$a83442cf@sank1> They are a grade BELOW the lowest consumer normal grade Maxell. Barely adequate for bad music. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Communicator Series > Anyone know these tapes and if they are any good for audio recordings? > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 19 10:27:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 09:27:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Communicator Series In-Reply-To: <069f01c1a098$ed1da260$a83442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000101c1a0cb$7633dc40$dcaf86d9@a4s1s2> Well, that puts paid to *that* idea ... G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 19 January 2002 03:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell Communicator Series They are a grade BELOW the lowest consumer normal grade Maxell. Barely adequate for bad music. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Communicator Series > Anyone know these tapes and if they are any good for audio recordings? > > Graham > > - > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Jan 19 12:00:38 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:00:38 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] BASF Metal Maxima TP IV Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C30@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I too agree. I was lucky to buy the last 24 of these tapes direct from Emtec in Melbourne, and WOW what a cassette. I'm leaving these beauties till last to use or use these for my special recordings. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Hugo [mailto:mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Friday, 18 January 2002 9:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BASF Metal Maxima TP IV I would agree with George Valkov on the excellence of the BASF Metal Maxima tape. Nicholas in Moscow was kind enough to do me a recording on this exceptional media. It is extremely quiet, natural sounding and stable. Dynamics are top flight. Nicholas can also attest to the longevity and durability of these tapes being much better in this respect than the current range of TDK. For those of you presently gathering metal tape into your stash as the opportunity arises, you will not regret investing in several boxes of this one. As George mentions the Luxembourgeois (sic) TDK MAs, I have had no experience of them. The ones we get here are all Japanese. I, however, have no problem from with Maxells from Tepley in the UK. They seem to be interchangeable with the Japanese ones. I do use the (Jap) TDK MA from time to time and quite like them, but the quality of mechanism is not up to MX-S or Metal Maxima standards. BASF (under the new label, EMTEC) seem to be quite resolved to staying in the magnetic tape and cassette business. Incidently, the Chrome Maxima TPII is also very good. For our American friends, Total Media has the Reference Master Emtecs (should be the same as Chrome Maximas) in a range of lengths. They also have TDK MAs. ProTape additionally has Fuji Metal cassettes for those that like them. Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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At the same time, I happened to read a catalogue for audio stuff. In it, the company stated that before a critical recording always clean the capstans with oil of turpentine. It would make them more elastic, as well as do the cleaning. And it would not make them age, like cleaning with alcohol. Having noting to loose but a wornout belt, I decided to try if it would do the same trick here. YES, it did. The belt got elastic, and now stays on the axle! It seems that this kind of treatment can at least save the evening... The turpentine (vegetabilic, not mineral type) appears to be nice to plastics, skin, etc, and it does evaporate without any residue. (And it smells good too...) Does anyone have similar experience for treating rubber parts? I will let You know if the belt soon implodes or something! Marcus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eknath58 at hotmail.com Sun Jan 20 12:09:58 2002 From: eknath58 at hotmail.com (Eknath Ullikashi) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:09:58 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: Recently I had asked a friend of mine, a shipmaster, to get as many Sony ES tapes as possible while returning from Japan to India. From Tokyo, he could fetch only two C-90s of Metal ES and brought many of Sony Cdix-IV C-90s and TDK DJ C-90s. Anybody has used these cdix IV and Dj versions? A store in Greece has stock of Sony Super Metal Master C-90s. Are these superior to ES? Eknath Ullikashi >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:26 -0500 > >I received this e-mail today: > >----------------------- >Dear Marc Stager, > >Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? >A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! > >By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. >Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! >But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 >only! > >We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers >could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. >(Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell >metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! > > Sincerly Nak User! :-) > > Masayuki Suzuki > from Aichi, Japan > >----------------------------- > >I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody >has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up >within the US and Japan. > >This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching >the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal >tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only >metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF >response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. > >Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. > >Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove >digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. >Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. > >________________ Marc Stager > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sun Jan 20 16:24:54 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (stan.targowski at attbi.com) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:24:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <20020120152454.CWJR3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc57> SONY Metal Master was their top of the line tape. Metal tape in a metal cassette - similar in concept to TDK MA- R/MA-XG or Maxell Vertex. If I remember correctly, these cost about $10.00 a piece. As far as good bargains for tapes, BASF Metal MAXIMA TP IV is very easily accesible in Poland, for less than $3.00 per tape for a C-90. Another good tape in similar price is BASF Chrome Reference TP II. Until recently you could also buy there TDK MA-XG and regular MA (with the case with screws) - but they seem to be gone by now. Stan > > Recently I had asked a friend of mine, a shipmaster, to get as many Sony ES > tapes as possible while returning from Japan to India. From Tokyo, he could > fetch only two C-90s of Metal ES and brought many of Sony Cdix-IV C-90s and > TDK DJ C-90s. Anybody has used these cdix IV and Dj versions? > > A store in Greece has stock of Sony Super Metal Master C-90s. Are these > superior to ES? > > Eknath Ullikashi > > >From: Marc Stager > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:26 -0500 > > > >I received this e-mail today: > > > >----------------------- > >Dear Marc Stager, > > > >Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? > >A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! > > > >By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. > >Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! > >But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 > >only! > > > >We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers > >could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. > >(Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell > >metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! > > > > Sincerly Nak User! :-) > > > > Masayuki Suzuki > > from Aichi, Japan > > > >----------------------------- > > > >I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody > >has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up > >within the US and Japan. > > > >This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching > >the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal > >tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only > >metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF > >response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. > > > >Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. > > > >Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove > >digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. > >Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. > > > >________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------===== > ==== > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------====== > === > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------====== > === ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ktrogers at execulink.com Sun Jan 20 16:53:36 2002 From: ktrogers at execulink.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:53:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Metal tapes References: Message-ID: <004101c1a1ca$9fa2d900$3701efd1@kevinrog> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 2:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Metal tapes George. The tapes did finally show up in November. The box was pretty bad, but the tapes were fine. Thanks Kevin > I would like once again to recommend highly to the group the Metal Maxima TP > IV Reference tape by BASF, now Emtec - I think others in this part of the > world will support me (Nick ?). It blew away the Made in Luxembourg TDK MA > (which seems to be the only source for TDK in Europe and all tapes coming > from there are absolute crap, incl. the VHS) on my B-215 (sorry guys, no Nak > any more). I am 100% sure that they are sold online at least in Germany, > though I don't know about shipment overseas. I am sure Klaus and/or the > other Nakkers in Germany can assist further. I did try sending a batch of 20 > C-90s to our member Kevin in Canada, but that was right after September 11th > and since I didn't hear from him, it looks like they've been lost. Kevin, I > did receive your money, so pls let me know if you got the tapes - if you > didn't, I'll try again. As for the rest of the group - I'm no longer in > Germany, which is why I'm not offering my services and referring you to > Klaus et al. I made a commitment to Kevin and will follow it through, but I > really can't help anyone else. > > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Jan 20 20:33:21 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 19:33:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-Master Message-ID: <3CCCAD29@mail.totalise.co.uk> >The Sony Metal Master was the most expensive audio cassette ever made (about 12 pounds/$16 FOR A C90 in the u.k. It was a metal tape with "ceramic" shell and in my opinion produced the best recordings that i have made on my 1000zxl (still broken Stephen!), more dynamic range less compression etc. It was just too expensive! Fred Moss ===== Original Message From "Eknath Ullikashi" ===== >Recently I had asked a friend of mine, a shipmaster, to get as many Sony ES >tapes as possible while returning from Japan to India. From Tokyo, he could >fetch only two C-90s of Metal ES and brought many of Sony Cdix-IV C-90s and >TDK DJ C-90s. Anybody has used these cdix IV and Dj versions? > >A store in Greece has stock of Sony Super Metal Master C-90s. Are these >superior to ES? > >Eknath Ullikashi > >>From: Marc Stager >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >>Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:26 -0500 >> >>I received this e-mail today: >> >>----------------------- >>Dear Marc Stager, >> >>Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? >>A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! >> >>By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. >>Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! >>But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 >>only! >> >>We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers >>could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. >>(Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell >>metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! >> >> Sincerly Nak User! :-) >> >> Masayuki Suzuki >> from Aichi, Japan >> >>----------------------------- >> >>I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody >>has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up >>within the US and Japan. >> >>This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching >>the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal >>tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only >>metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF >>response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. >> >>Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. >> >>Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove >>digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. >>Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. >> >>________________ Marc Stager >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 21 11:38:22 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:38:22 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C37@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Eknath, Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Eknath Ullikashi [mailto:eknath58 at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2002 11:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Recently I had asked a friend of mine, a shipmaster, to get as many Sony ES tapes as possible while returning from Japan to India. From Tokyo, he could fetch only two C-90s of Metal ES and brought many of Sony Cdix-IV C-90s and TDK DJ C-90s. Anybody has used these cdix IV and Dj versions? A store in Greece has stock of Sony Super Metal Master C-90s. Are these superior to ES? Eknath Ullikashi >From: Marc Stager >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 13:18:26 -0500 > >I received this e-mail today: > >----------------------- >Dear Marc Stager, > >Thanks to your E-Mail. How about my HP introduced in US? >A person lived in US asked me for some tapes (made in Japan)! > >By the way, ES METAL(Stamina) is, perhaps, sold out in Japan. >Some Discount Stores sold "Metal ES(Stamina)"! >But no one has ES METAL(STAMINA) C-90! I have a few stocks C-54 >only! > >We Japanese now can't buy METAL tapes, because all distributers >could not bulit Metal Casettes last year. >(Sumitomo Metal, Magnet Power distributer, is going not to sell >metal one for C-Casette!) So I do not know where ES-Metal is sold! > > Sincerly Nak User! :-) > > Masayuki Suzuki > from Aichi, Japan > >----------------------------- > >I've been looking for fresh stocks of Sony Metal-ES tape. Nobody >has any, and I've tried every possible resource I could come up >within the US and Japan. > >This is very unfortunate. The only tape capable of even approaching >the distortion and saturation levels of a good reel machine are metal >tapes. Getting good response 20 dB down is a waste of effort. Only >metal formulations are capable of acceptably low distortion HF >response at 0 dB and the best of these, by a mile, was Sony Metal-ES. > >Simply put, type II tape is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. > >Damn shame, but the market is making every effort to shove >digital down consumers' throats, and this is just one of the tactics. >Metal tape was just too good and got in the way. > >________________ Marc Stager > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Mon Jan 21 13:20:23 2002 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:20:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C37@mis-exchange.neca .nec.com.au> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020121070725.00b14980@pop3.norton.antivirus> Guys, After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick some up for us.......... Here it is http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Jan 21 14:44:52 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:44:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020121070725.00b14980@pop3.norton.antivirus> Message-ID: The price is in swiss francs and works out at 5.35 USD (still a bargain !). jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley P. Pickens Sent: 21 January 2002 12:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Guys, After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick some up for us.......... Here it is http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I used the altavista translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick some up for us.......... Here it is http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Pickens" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:20:23 -0500 Guys, After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick some up for us.......... Here it is http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 21 January 2002 01:57 PM To: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Yes, I would agree, that would be a good price for the Metal Master, particularly considering that Sony have probably ceased manufacture of them. Marc >>> doctordeaf at nakedresource.com 01/21/02 03:44PM >>> The price is in swiss francs and works out at 5.35 USD (still a bargain !). jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley P. Pickens Sent: 21 January 2002 12:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Guys, After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick some up for us.......... Here it is http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > If we can et a group purchase together for this, I'll chip in. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mark Hugo > Sent: 21 January 2002 01:57 PM > To: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Yes, I would agree, that would be a good price for the Metal Master, > particularly considering that Sony have probably ceased manufacture of them. > > Marc > > >>> doctordeaf at nakedresource.com 01/21/02 03:44PM >>> > The price is in swiss francs and works out at 5.35 USD (still a bargain !). > > jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stanley P. Pickens > Sent: 21 January 2002 12:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Guys, > > After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be > offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista > translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could > some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a > quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease > the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick > some up for us.......... > > Here it is > > http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > >Hi Eknath, > > > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eknath58 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 18:30:49 2002 From: eknath58 at hotmail.com (Eknath Ullikashi) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:30:49 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: Hi Tom, Here are the links for Sony super mm http://www.snn.gr/sony/sony_tape_audio_en.html for tdk ma-xg http://www.remaltd.com/f_audio3.htm Eknath >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:38:22 +1100 > >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Jan 21 19:31:41 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:31:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <20.22867ff6.297db88d@aol.com> Yes, please keep me posted as I would like to chip in and grab some myself. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Jan 21 21:52:11 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:52:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: Hi Eknath, I checked out both links - there are no prices given and I couldn't find a way to buy on either link - neither Greek nor Turkish. Am I doing something wrong ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Eknath Ullikashi" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:30:49 Hi Tom, Here are the links for Sony super mm http://www.snn.gr/sony/sony_tape_audio_en.html for tdk ma-xg http://www.remaltd.com/f_audio3.htm Eknath >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:38:22 +1100 > >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jan 22 00:35:25 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:35:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM In-Reply-To: <200201212317.g0LNHGI23681@ns4.trafficnet.net> Message-ID: And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 22 01:21:39 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:21:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM References: Message-ID: <00b601c1a2da$c3a49d00$023442cf@sank1> How the hell did a spammer penetrate the naktalk list? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM > And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 22 01:32:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 00:32:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM In-Reply-To: <00b601c1a2da$c3a49d00$023442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002801c1a2dc$36fade80$efab87d9@a4s1s2> It was a WOMAN - what'dya expect?! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 22 January 2002 12:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKS.COM How the hell did a spammer penetrate the naktalk list? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM > And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Tue Jan 22 02:17:27 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:17:27 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] NAKS.COM Message-ID: <000001c1a300$d1e41dc0$eb8b9a40@compaq> So did I Stan. But I'm not taking it so hard upon myself. I recently made love to a beautiful woman in front of my Dragon which I just purchased 2 months ago! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jan 22 05:59:14 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:59:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... In-Reply-To: <000001c1a300$d1e41dc0$eb8b9a40@compaq> Message-ID: My friend, I am curious as to the calibration process. Do you calibrate the Dragon, or .... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Mon, January 21, 2002 7:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] NAKS.COM So did I Stan. But I'm not taking it so hard upon myself. I recently made love to a beautiful woman in front of my Dragon which I just purchased 2 months ago! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jan 22 07:16:00 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:16:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... References: Message-ID: <000c01c1a30c$43ac87c0$961a9bca@smarzuki> Ahem, I'm more curious in the reverse mode, was it on auto or ... BTW, how can we be sure that there's even a single man on this naklist ? Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... My friend, I am curious as to the calibration process. Do you calibrate the Dragon, or .... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Mon, January 21, 2002 7:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] NAKS.COM So did I Stan. But I'm not taking it so hard upon myself. I recently made love to a beautiful woman in front of my Dragon which I just purchased 2 months ago! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcushemma at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 14:48:50 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (Marcus Rosn) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:48:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM References: <002801c1a2dc$36fade80$efab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Why don´t we all send her our admiration in a kind e-mail! M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM > It was a WOMAN - what'dya expect?! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 22 January 2002 12:22 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKS.COM > > > How the hell did a spammer penetrate the naktalk list? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM > > > > And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Jan 22 17:37:25 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:37:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] No MA-XG Metal tapes Message-ID: <004e01c1a363$13f38220$0f6523c8@g8nsv> Hi everyone!!! Yesterday I sent an email to (for tdk ma-xg http://www.remaltd.com/f_audio3.htm to get some of those tapes and they answered me they don't have them. Here I enclose their answer...so let's look somewhere else :-) Dear Isy, Thank you for your kind inquary. We are sorry we haven't any MA-XG tapes. Several years ago we purchased stok from TDK. But now MA-XG is not available. Best regards Hakan ATAKLI Isy Fidelman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue Jan 22 18:07:36 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:07:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] MA-XG Metal tapes References: <004e01c1a363$13f38220$0f6523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <01f701c1a367$4ab7c100$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> I have 4 sealed TDK MA-XG 90 tapes here in my new tape drawer. I bought them some time ago and put them away for "special" recordings that have never materialized, so to speak. I was amazed at what these are selling for in view of the last auction on E-bay for 4 MA-XG 60 minute tapes that were used.......$81.00!! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1319938246 If anyone is interested in making an appropriate offer, please contact me privately at roleo at telus.net and I will be glad to consider it. Thanx, Roland Alford Vancouver, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 22 19:49:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:49:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... In-Reply-To: <000c01c1a30c$43ac87c0$961a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000001c1a375$9760f720$7eb086d9@a4s1s2> Curses! You've found me out! Geraldine -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 22 January 2002 06:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... Ahem, I'm more curious in the reverse mode, was it on auto or ... BTW, how can we be sure that there's even a single man on this naklist ? Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... My friend, I am curious as to the calibration process. Do you calibrate the Dragon, or .... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Mon, January 21, 2002 7:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] NAKS.COM So did I Stan. But I'm not taking it so hard upon myself. I recently made love to a beautiful woman in front of my Dragon which I just purchased 2 months ago! ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKS.COM And I thought for a moment that there was a woman NAK fan ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.313 / Virus Database: 174 - Release Date: 02/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcushemma at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 20:22:52 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:22:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Me too... Message-ID: Also me, myself and the little boy that lives in me have now a Dragon! Got it during the summer, have not spent any time on it until now. Afterall, in the summertime, don´t we all prefer to do it on the beach... I hope to be able to find out if it beats the old "in front of the fireplace" soon... The machine had a dull sound, made noises and looking on the buttons it had been used. In the back was imprinted "DANMARKS RADIO", so the wear was most likely from professional use. After fixing the orange caps, lubing, treating the control cam belt with turpentine and adjusting the mechanical center for the play azimuth, it is more normal. But the 700II sound better, even in source monitor mode. Changing all small electrolytics for polyesters, the bigger for even bigger values/voltages and // with poly, changing some of the other caps for polystyrene/polyprop still makes it inferior. (The 700 still have its mylars, even in eq.) I have not yet recalbrated anything after the change of caps, don´t thing this is the reason. -Does anyone have sonic experience from changing the transistor/4066-switches with relays? Marcus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Jan 22 20:29:27 2002 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:29:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE:Making Love in front of a DRAGON ... In-Reply-To: <000001c1a375$9760f720$7eb086d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: I know we all love our decks...lets just be glad this subject line wasn't making love TO a Dragon. LOL. Alex Cagann -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vvinodk at hotmail.com Tue Jan 22 20:34:42 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:34:42 Subject: [naktalk] No MA-XG Metal tapes Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ruajw2 at telus.net Tue Jan 22 22:12:38 2002 From: ruajw2 at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:12:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings Message-ID: <025401c1a389$8581ae00$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Thought this is useful. Hope these line up okay on your screens. --Roland ==================================================================== Consumer Reports Audio Tape Ratings Type I Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif. Bias Sens TDK AD 82 v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ + v BASF LH Maxima 81 v+ v+ v+ + v+ v v Maxell UDS-I 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v v Sony HF-S 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v+ v TDK AD-X 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ + v Maxell XLI-S 79 UR 75 Denon DX3 78 DX4 78 DX1 77 Scotch CX 75 BX 69 Sony HF 74 POP46Y 74 JVC G1 73 TDK D 77 Fuji GT-1 76 DR 76 BASF LH-Extra1 75 Memorex DBS 75 MRX1 73 Certron UX 68 HD 67 LN 57 Realistic LN 66 Type II Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony UX Pro 87 + v+ v+ + + + v Sony UX ES 87 + v+ v+ v+ + + v TDK SA 85 + v+ v v+ v+ v+ v TDK SA-X 85 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ Denon HD7 84 v+ v+ v+ + + v+ v+ Fuji GT-II 83 FR-II 81 TDK SA-XG 83 BASF CR-E 82 CR-M 81 Maxell XLII 82 XLII-S 82 UDS-II 77 Sony UX-S 81 UX 79 Denon HD6 80 HD8 78 Memorex HBII 80 HBXII 78 CDXII 79 Realistic MII 78 HD Hi-Bias 76 KMC High Bias 75 Scotch XSII 75 Type IV Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony Metal ES 93 + + + v+ + + v TDK MA XG 91 + + v+ v+ + + v TDK MA 90 + + v + v v+ v Maxell MX 89 + + v+ + + + v TDK MA-X 89 + + v+ v+ v+ v+ v Fuji Fr Metal 86 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v BASF Metal IV 85 v+ v+ v+ v+ + + v Denon HD-M 83 v+ v+ v + + v+ v Scotch XSM IV 79 v v+ v v+ v+ v- v -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jan 22 22:21:22 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:21:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Comparing Sony Super Metal Master /TDK MA-XG to Sony Metal SR / TDK SM-X In-Reply-To: Message-ID: SONY Super Metal Master and TDK MA-XG were the top of the line metal tapes produced by SONY and TDK. These were metal tapes in metal cases. Maxell also produced a conceptually similar tape, called Vertex (and we all have heard Stephen's less than satisfactory experience with this particular tape.) SONY SR Metal is a decent tape, but the newer and lesser quality generation - especially in the cassette case quality. TDK SM-X is a 'pro' version of TDK SA-X - the same chrome (Type II) tape in a little bit sturdier case (at least per TDK). Compared to MA-XG it is a Type II chrome tape as opposed to type IV metal tape in the former. Personally, I feel you can get a very good recordings on all of these tapes. It is also a matter of cost. The MA-XG and Super Metal Master were about 4 times the price of either Metal SR or SM-X. I have all of these tapes, and to be perfectly honest, the main reason I have SONY Metal Master and TDK MA-XG is for collector's reasons. If these tapes were still available, at the prices of about $12 per C-90, I would be buying them very sporadically - due to the cost, and the law of diminishing returns. I think of all the tapes currently available on the global market today, BASF TP IV Metal Maxima in the Metal Line, and TDK SM-X / SA-X or BASF TP-II Reference Maxima in Chrome line would be your best bets. Also, still feel good about Maxell XL-II which is widely available. Lastly, a matter of proper calibration of the deck to the tape. A tape deck calibrated for TDK D-90 will sound better than not calibrated using TDK MA-XG 90 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Vinod Kumar Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 8:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] No MA-XG Metal tapes What do you all think about SONY SR METAL tape against SONY SUPER METAL MASTER and TDK SM-X90 tape against TDK MA-XG ? Vinod -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 23 00:05:16 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:05:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings In-Reply-To: <025401c1a389$8581ae00$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <001901c1a399$412126e0$6fa387d9@a4s1s2> That's very interesting - thanks for this, Roland. Anyone got any views as to how this scoring actually stacks up against their experience of these tapes used on their Nak's?? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 22 January 2002 09:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings Thought this is useful. Hope these line up okay on your screens. --Roland ==================================================================== Consumer Reports Audio Tape Ratings Type I Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif. Bias Sens TDK AD 82 v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ + v BASF LH Maxima 81 v+ v+ v+ + v+ v v Maxell UDS-I 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v v Sony HF-S 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v+ v TDK AD-X 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ + v Maxell XLI-S 79 UR 75 Denon DX3 78 DX4 78 DX1 77 Scotch CX 75 BX 69 Sony HF 74 POP46Y 74 JVC G1 73 TDK D 77 Fuji GT-1 76 DR 76 BASF LH-Extra1 75 Memorex DBS 75 MRX1 73 Certron UX 68 HD 67 LN 57 Realistic LN 66 Type II Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony UX Pro 87 + v+ v+ + + + v Sony UX ES 87 + v+ v+ v+ + + v TDK SA 85 + v+ v v+ v+ v+ v TDK SA-X 85 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ Denon HD7 84 v+ v+ v+ + + v+ v+ Fuji GT-II 83 FR-II 81 TDK SA-XG 83 BASF CR-E 82 CR-M 81 Maxell XLII 82 XLII-S 82 UDS-II 77 Sony UX-S 81 UX 79 Denon HD6 80 HD8 78 Memorex HBII 80 HBXII 78 CDXII 79 Realistic MII 78 HD Hi-Bias 76 KMC High Bias 75 Scotch XSII 75 Type IV Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony Metal ES 93 + + + v+ + + v TDK MA XG 91 + + v+ v+ + + v TDK MA 90 + + v + v v+ v Maxell MX 89 + + v+ + + + v TDK MA-X 89 + + v+ v+ v+ v+ v Fuji Fr Metal 86 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v BASF Metal IV 85 v+ v+ v+ v+ + + v Denon HD-M 83 v+ v+ v + + v+ v Scotch XSM IV 79 v v+ v v+ v+ v- v --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 11/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Wed Jan 23 00:38:25 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:38:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings References: <001901c1a399$412126e0$6fa387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C4DF7F1.1F43082B@concentric.net> I've been using Maxell XL-II and TDK SA for ages. Never thought the SA was better than the XL-II. Also, I do prefer the XL-II to the XL-IIS -- both these (subjective) experiences contrary to the rating. As to type IV, I am a great fan of TDK MA. I can't tell the difference, on an A to B comparison, between a source (LP or CD) and a recording on the MA. Never bothered to look for something better. -- Ron > That's very interesting - thanks for this, Roland. > Anyone got any views as to how this scoring actually > stacks up against their experience of these tapes > used on their Nak's?? > > Graham ------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 22 January 2002 09:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings Thought this is useful. Hope these line up okay on your screens. --Roland ==================================================================== Consumer Reports Audio Tape Ratings Type I Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif. Bias Sens TDK AD 82 v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ + v BASF LH Maxima 81 v+ v+ v+ + v+ v v Maxell UDS-I 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v v Sony HF-S 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v+ v TDK AD-X 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ + v Maxell XLI-S 79 UR 75 Denon DX3 78 DX4 78 DX1 77 Scotch CX 75 BX 69 Sony HF 74 POP46Y 74 JVC G1 73 TDK D 77 Fuji GT-1 76 DR 76 BASF LH-Extra1 75 Memorex DBS 75 MRX1 73 Certron UX 68 HD 67 LN 57 Realistic LN 66 Type II Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony UX Pro 87 + v+ v+ + + + v Sony UX ES 87 + v+ v+ v+ + + v TDK SA 85 + v+ v v+ v+ v+ v TDK SA-X 85 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ Denon HD7 84 v+ v+ v+ + + v+ v+ Fuji GT-II 83 FR-II 81 TDK SA-XG 83 BASF CR-E 82 CR-M 81 Maxell XLII 82 XLII-S 82 UDS-II 77 Sony UX-S 81 UX 79 Denon HD6 80 HD8 78 Memorex HBII 80 HBXII 78 CDXII 79 Realistic MII 78 HD Hi-Bias 76 KMC High Bias 75 Scotch XSII 75 Type IV Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony Metal ES 93 + + + v+ + + v TDK MA XG 91 + + v+ v+ + + v TDK MA 90 + + v + v v+ v Maxell MX 89 + + v+ + + + v TDK MA-X 89 + + v+ v+ v+ v+ v Fuji Fr Metal 86 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v BASF Metal IV 85 v+ v+ v+ v+ + + v Denon HD-M 83 v+ v+ v + + v+ v Scotch XSM IV 79 v v+ v v+ v+ v- v ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Jan 23 01:11:21 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:11:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings In-Reply-To: <001901c1a399$412126e0$6fa387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: In the past, when I didn't have cassette decks with calibration systems, I would stick to mainstream tapes from TDK. In my particular case, D for type I, SA for type II, and MA for type IV - and had my deck calibrated by a technician to these formulations. Very seldom would I experiment with other tapes - at times I would get a TDK SA-X, or Maxell [UD] XL-IIS to get 'extra' treble for car stereo. Once I got a machine where I could adjust bias and level with tones, I would enhance tapes used to other TDK formulae, Maxell, and some SONY and FUJI. I was never big fan of Memorex, Denon, Realistic, etc. As an aside, it is interesting to see to that MA-XG scored higher than MA-X, yet SA-XG was below SA-X. It is my recollection that the G suffix meant metal casing, i.e., MA-XG used MA-X tape, and SA-XG used SA-X tape in metal casing. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Tue, January 22, 2002 5:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings That's very interesting - thanks for this, Roland. Anyone got any views as to how this scoring actually stacks up against their experience of these tapes used on their Nak's?? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 22 January 2002 09:13 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings Thought this is useful. Hope these line up okay on your screens. --Roland ==================================================================== Consumer Reports Audio Tape Ratings Type I Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif. Bias Sens TDK AD 82 v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ + v BASF LH Maxima 81 v+ v+ v+ + v+ v v Maxell UDS-I 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v v Sony HF-S 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v+ v TDK AD-X 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ + v Maxell XLI-S 79 UR 75 Denon DX3 78 DX4 78 DX1 77 Scotch CX 75 BX 69 Sony HF 74 POP46Y 74 JVC G1 73 TDK D 77 Fuji GT-1 76 DR 76 BASF LH-Extra1 75 Memorex DBS 75 MRX1 73 Certron UX 68 HD 67 LN 57 Realistic LN 66 Type II Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony UX Pro 87 + v+ v+ + + + v Sony UX ES 87 + v+ v+ v+ + + v TDK SA 85 + v+ v v+ v+ v+ v TDK SA-X 85 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ Denon HD7 84 v+ v+ v+ + + v+ v+ Fuji GT-II 83 FR-II 81 TDK SA-XG 83 BASF CR-E 82 CR-M 81 Maxell XLII 82 XLII-S 82 UDS-II 77 Sony UX-S 81 UX 79 Denon HD6 80 HD8 78 Memorex HBII 80 HBXII 78 CDXII 79 Realistic MII 78 HD Hi-Bias 76 KMC High Bias 75 Scotch XSII 75 Type IV Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias Sens Sony Metal ES 93 + + + v+ + + v TDK MA XG 91 + + v+ v+ + + v TDK MA 90 + + v + v v+ v Maxell MX 89 + + v+ + + + v TDK MA-X 89 + + v+ v+ v+ v+ v Fuji Fr Metal 86 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v BASF Metal IV 85 v+ v+ v+ v+ + + v Denon HD-M 83 v+ v+ v + + v+ v Scotch XSM IV 79 v v+ v v+ v+ v- v -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Wed Jan 23 05:34:55 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:34:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings References: <001901c1a399$412126e0$6fa387d9@a4s1s2> <3C4DF7F1.1F43082B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002901c1a3c7$4f756e80$5d6623c8@g8nsv> I am a TDK fan too....always use them and really love them. I can say also that I had better results with the SA than with the SA-X. Regarding type IV tapes I have some MA taht can be found here in Venezuela easily; every big music store sells them for about US$3.50 each. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings > > I've been using Maxell XL-II and TDK SA for ages. > Never thought the SA was better than the XL-II. Also, > I do prefer the XL-II to the XL-IIS -- both these > (subjective) experiences contrary to the rating. > > As to type IV, I am a great fan of TDK MA. I can't > tell the difference, on an A to B comparison, between > a source (LP or CD) and a recording on the MA. Never > bothered to look for something better. > > -- Ron > > > > That's very interesting - thanks for this, Roland. > > Anyone got any views as to how this scoring actually > > stacks up against their experience of these tapes > > used on their Nak's?? > > > > Graham > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford > Sent: 22 January 2002 09:13 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings > > Thought this is useful. Hope these line up okay on your > screens. > > --Roland > > > ==================================================================== > > Consumer Reports Audio Tape > Ratings > > > Type I Score Midr Treb Dist Drop > Unif. Bias Sens > > TDK AD 82 v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ + v > BASF LH Maxima 81 v+ v+ v+ + v+ v v > Maxell UDS-I 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v v > Sony HF-S 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ v+ v > TDK AD-X 80 v+ v v+ v+ v+ + v > Maxell XLI-S 79 > UR 75 > Denon DX3 78 > DX4 78 > DX1 77 > Scotch CX 75 > BX 69 > Sony HF 74 > POP46Y 74 > JVC G1 73 > TDK D 77 > Fuji GT-1 76 > DR 76 > BASF LH-Extra1 75 > Memorex DBS 75 > MRX1 73 > Certron UX 68 > HD 67 > LN 57 > Realistic LN 66 > > > > Type II Score Midr Treb Dist Drop Unif Bias > Sens > > Sony UX Pro 87 + v+ v+ + + + v > Sony UX ES 87 + v+ v+ v+ + + v > TDK SA 85 + v+ v v+ v+ v+ v > TDK SA-X 85 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ > Denon HD7 84 v+ v+ v+ + + v+ v+ > Fuji GT-II 83 > FR-II 81 > TDK SA-XG 83 > BASF CR-E 82 > CR-M 81 > Maxell XLII 82 > XLII-S 82 > UDS-II 77 > Sony UX-S 81 > UX 79 > Denon HD6 80 > HD8 78 > Memorex HBII 80 > HBXII 78 > CDXII 79 > Realistic MII 78 > HD Hi-Bias 76 > KMC High Bias 75 > Scotch XSII 75 > > > > Type IV Score Midr Treb Dist Drop > Unif Bias Sens > > Sony Metal ES 93 + + + v+ + + v > TDK MA XG 91 + + v+ v+ + + v > TDK MA 90 + + v + v v+ v > Maxell MX 89 + + v+ + + + v > TDK MA-X 89 + + v+ v+ v+ v+ v > Fuji Fr Metal 86 + v+ v+ v+ v+ v+ v > BASF Metal IV 85 v+ v+ v+ v+ + + v > Denon HD-M 83 v+ v+ v + + v+ v > Scotch XSM IV 79 v v+ v v+ v+ v- v > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I think that this is too high, take a look... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1325772615 Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford 2 [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2002 4:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MA-XG Metal tapes I have 4 sealed TDK MA-XG 90 tapes here in my new tape drawer. I bought them some time ago and put them away for "special" recordings that have never materialized, so to speak. I was amazed at what these are selling for in view of the last auction on E-bay for 4 MA-XG 60 minute tapes that were used.......$81.00!! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1319938246 If anyone is interested in making an appropriate offer, please contact me privately at roleo at telus.net and I will be glad to consider it. Thanx, Roland Alford Vancouver, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 23 09:26:52 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:26:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Comparative Cassette Tape Table: Ron's experiences Message-ID: <3C4E73CC.D4F45CF4@sunint.co.za> Ron Wrote: I've been using Maxell XL-II and TDK SA for ages. Never thought the SA was better than the XL-II. Also, I do prefer the XL-II to the XL-IIS -- both these (subjective) experiences contrary to the rating. As to type IV, I am a great fan of TDK MA. I can't tell the difference, on an A to B comparison, between a source (LP or CD) and a recording on the MA. Never bothered to look for something better. -- Ron Succinct as usual, Ron! I too have slight reservationas about the tested superiority of TDK SA over XL-II. But then, I have always like the rising HF of Maxell High Position tapes which makes them slightly less azimuth sensitive when moving from deck to deck. It is less pronounced than the rather "hot" treble of XL-IIS though. I also find that SA saturates too easily for me and really have never understood it's universal appeal with magazine reviewers. I have examples from the mid-eighties and they are no less underwhelming than the current ones. Not awful, but I'd prefer a Sony UX most days of the week. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed Jan 23 15:17:57 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (hisself) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:17:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? Message-ID: <3C4EC615.88D6E612@ol-jim.com> Hi, y'all, I am a new subscriber to this list, and I am about to buy my first Nak. Does anyone have any suggestions, ie., ones to look for, ones to avoid? TIA, Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Jan 23 15:31:35 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:31:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? References: <3C4EC615.88D6E612@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <007101c1a41a$a9b0dd50$7b021fac@brianm> Do you have any particular models in mind and what price range are you looking at? Older Nak decks are better decks, than mid 90's and on, and hld their value better. All used decks can benefit from being serviced, something to keep in mind. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "hisself" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? > Hi, y'all, > > I am a new subscriber to this list, and I am about to buy my first Nak. > > Does anyone have any suggestions, ie., ones to look for, ones to avoid? > > TIA, > > Ol' Jim, hisself > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jan 23 15:43:30 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:43:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? Message-ID: Hi Jim, I personally don't think that there are any Naks to avoid at all, but some are more desirable and/or collectable than others. There are those who will say the BX series are'nt worth much but I enjoy their angular looks and simplicity of function. Others will say the more recent ones don't have the classic Nak warmth of the great decks of the 80s. In this, one should listen for oneself. The build quality of the early 80s machines is incredibly good. The 70s decks can be a challenge getting parts, so servicability is an issue. I love them all. Some of the MR machines may have led hard lives. I'm sure you'll get plenty of advice on this one from guys considerably more knowledgable than me. For my money, having two Naks already, I would go for the 680 family, 700 ZXL/ZXE, 1000 ZXL, CR 4,5 and 7, BX 300, ZX7 and ZX9 and LX series as my personal favourites. I would be lying however if I said a DR1, Cassette Deck One or 700 Tri Tracer wouldn't interest me. There may be some design concerns with some and matters of individual taste may come in but there are no weak ones (apart from the truly horrible, current DR5). I heard a DR-8 the other day (same as the previous DR-3), and it is a neat two head machine. I would opt for a well kept LX-3 though or even a 480 first though. Welcome to the gang!! Marc >>> hisself at ol-jim.com 01/23/02 04:17PM >>> Hi, y'all, I am a new subscriber to this list, and I am about to buy my first Nak. Does anyone have any suggestions, ie., ones to look for, ones to avoid? TIA, Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Jan 23 18:36:48 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:36:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? References: <3C4EC615.88D6E612@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <3C4EF4B0.8631CDC9@concentric.net> hisself wrote: > > Hi, y'all, > > I am a new subscriber to this list, and I am about to buy my first Nak. > > Does anyone have any suggestions, ie., ones to look for, ones to avoid? > > TIA, > > Ol' Jim, hisself > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > I have owned 3 Naks so far. The first, a 700 tri-tracer, was good at the time, but is too old now and getting replacement parts could be an issue. The second was a 582 that, for the price, I recommend highly. Others may argue that it's ugly -- personally, I disagree. In any case, visual appeal is highly subjective and of secondary importance, anyway. My current deck is a CR-7. Probably, my last one. It has been upgraded with the equalization circuit and with the gear modifications (both highly recommended if you buy an older deck that does not have them). I never owned a Dragon. If you are willing to pay for convenience, it's a great deck; though, I don't think it actually sounds any better than the CR-7. All these decks have off-the-tape monitoring capability (for me, an absolute requirement). The CR-7 is a step above the 582, with market value that reflects this. The CR-7 and Dragon are at the top of he range (maybe, just under the 1000ZXL, that is an old design, with the attendant replacement parts concerns, and a fairly steep market price). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Jan 23 18:38:08 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:38:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Audio Tape Ratings References: <001901c1a399$412126e0$6fa387d9@a4s1s2> <3C4DF7F1.1F43082B@concentric.net> <002901c1a3c7$4f756e80$5d6623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <001c01c1a434$b91c9f80$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> In case you needed a clearer copy of the tape ratings, see attached text file. -- Roland -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: tapes.txt URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jan 24 12:02:19 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:02:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C47@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Jim, Welcome to the gang - BTW I love your website. I would go with what Marc suggested in an earlier e-mail. I think that the 80's models were better than the 90's models however one thing's for sure, they all sound great. Hope to hear more from you, keep us posted and let us know what you get. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: hisself [mailto:hisself at ol-jim.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 1:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? Hi, y'all, I am a new subscriber to this list, and I am about to buy my first Nak. Does anyone have any suggestions, ie., ones to look for, ones to avoid? TIA, Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <3C4EF4B0.8631CDC9@concentric.net> Message-ID: I like my zx9 very much and I also have a pair of cr7 decks. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 9:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Suggestions, anyone? hisself wrote: > > Hi, y'all, > > I am a new subscriber to this list, and I am about to buy my first Nak. > > Does anyone have any suggestions, ie., ones to look for, ones to avoid? > > TIA, > > Ol' Jim, hisself > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > I have owned 3 Naks so far. The first, a 700 tri-tracer, was good at the time, but is too old now and getting replacement parts could be an issue. The second was a 582 that, for the price, I recommend highly. Others may argue that it's ugly -- personally, I disagree. In any case, visual appeal is highly subjective and of secondary importance, anyway. My current deck is a CR-7. Probably, my last one. It has been upgraded with the equalization circuit and with the gear modifications (both highly recommended if you buy an older deck that does not have them). I never owned a Dragon. If you are willing to pay for convenience, it's a great deck; though, I don't think it actually sounds any better than the CR-7. All these decks have off-the-tape monitoring capability (for me, an absolute requirement). The CR-7 is a step above the 582, with market value that reflects this. The CR-7 and Dragon are at the top of he range (maybe, just under the 1000ZXL, that is an old design, with the attendant replacement parts concerns, and a fairly steep market price). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Jan 24 16:56:19 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:56:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen In-Reply-To: <04f301c19ac0$bba47480$a43442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi again Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD Player! I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good.... Cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot may be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do sometimes spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes simply caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by skipping problems, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which > may be possible with the transport in place. > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > Regards > Jim > > Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works > quite well. > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you > want it to work well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > meridian > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > shakes > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > > won't sell me a manual! > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Jan 24 17:36:08 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:36:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: Message-ID: <00d201c1a4f5$3a280a90$6c021fac@brianm> "Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good...." Even when you think he's wrong! ...usually proves right! He helped me trouble shoot a bad connection on an amp, amazing how fast he pin pointed the problem. (Of course, he did build most of it! :) ) Congrats on receiving your 506 back from the dead! (This coming from a fellow 500 users, 508.24.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jan 25 01:33:03 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:33:03 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: Message-ID: <000801c1a537$eb36b560$5a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Jim, If you have the crossreferencing list handy in scanned version, could you please send a copy to salim at danareksa.com (cc to nakmania at yahoo.com) ? Thanks much in advance. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Hi again Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD Player! I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good.... Cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jan 25 04:14:42 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:14:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: <000801c1a537$eb36b560$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C50CD98.1E850CD8@snet.net> Hi Jim, I'd love a copy too. Thanks, Ed Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Jim, > > If you have the crossreferencing list handy in scanned version, could you > please send a copy to salim at danareksa.com (cc to nakmania at yahoo.com) ? > Thanks much in advance. > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: doctordeaf > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:56 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > Hi again > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD > Player! > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one > day but your advice is just too good.... > > Cheers > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Jan 25 10:27:45 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:27:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Message-ID: Hi Jim, Can I have a copy too? E-mail to: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com please, thanks very much. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: doctordeaf > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:56 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > > > Hi again > > > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian >CD > > Player! > > > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now >have a > > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 >an > > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that >Stephen > > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way >one > > day but your advice is just too good.... > > > > Cheers > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Jan 25 13:47:09 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:47:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Message-ID: Hello Jim, Please send a copy to: khmerideth at anderson.edu. Appreciate you offering the list to us. Kent Merideth Indiana (Formerly from Benton Harbor, MI. Trivia from the mid sixties: In a radio serial, who went by the alias of Benton Harbor?) >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 01/24/02 07:33PM >>> Hi Jim, If you have the crossreferencing list handy in scanned version, could you please send a copy to salim at danareksa.com (cc to nakmania at yahoo.com) ? Thanks much in advance. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Hi again Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD Player! I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good.... Cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jan 25 14:49:47 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:49:47 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: <000801c1a537$eb36b560$5a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Jim, That will be nice to have such a list too. Please send me it to MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thanks! Misha >Hi Jim, > >If you have the crossreferencing list handy in scanned version, could you >please send a copy to salim at danareksa.com (cc to nakmania at yahoo.com) ? >Thanks much in advance. > >Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Fri Jan 25 16:25:33 2002 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:25:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C5186FD.22189.1AEAAE0@localhost> From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:27:45 +0000 Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Hi Jim, Is it possible to have a copy too? E-mail to: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Thank´s a lot. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: doctordeaf > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:56 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > > > Hi again > > > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian >CD > > Player! > > > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now >have a > > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 >an > > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that >Stephen > > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way >one > > day but your advice is just too good.... > > > > Cheers > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jan 25 18:22:24 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 10:22:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 References: <000a01c1a5c2$0d9cc1a0$5d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <017201c1a5c4$dba548e0$353442cf@sank1> Well, I'm sure the RM200 & DM10 included helped. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 10:02 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 > > Cheers, > SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jan 25 21:12:52 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:12:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Message-ID: <01C1A5DD.65C2B860.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I had a similar problem with a 508.24 player that I had bought second hand. I sent it back to Meridian in the UK (because I did not have a dealer), and they fixed it for free, because they said it was down to a manufacturing fault. Dr John Walker 31 Park Road Portland Dorset DT5 2AD email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 15:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Hi again Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD Player! I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good.... Cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot may be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do sometimes spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes si mply caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by skipping problems, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which > may be possible with the transport in place. > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > Regards > Jim > > Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works > quite well. > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you > want it to work well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > meridian > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > shakes > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > > won't sell me a manual! > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 25 January 2002 05:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 Cheers, SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Fri Jan 25 21:59:46 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:59:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: <01C1A5DD.65C2B860.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <028501c1a5e3$38d77c90$94021fac@brianm> I too had good experience with Meridian's service. I had a problem with a 557 amp I owned in the past, I shipped it to them and they shipped me a new one, still sealed. (Newer version as well.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > I had a similar problem with a 508.24 player that I had bought second hand. > I sent it back to Meridian in the UK (because I did not have a dealer), and > they fixed it for free, because they said it was down to a manufacturing > fault. > Dr John Walker > 31 Park Road > Portland > Dorset DT5 2AD > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 15:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > Hi again > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD > Player! > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one > day but your advice is just too good.... > > Cheers > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the > resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot > may > be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the > resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech > change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do > sometimes > spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a > precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc > clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes si > mply > caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be > smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by > skipping problems, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series > has > > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, > which > > may be possible with the transport in place. > > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking > for > a > > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use > the > > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that > I > > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > > Regards > > Jim > > > > Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access > while > > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it > won't > > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a > 2mm > > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used > is > > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward > the > > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt > with > > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a > variety > > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of > 50-60mV > > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity > of > > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode > array, > > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it > works > > quite well. > > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, > then > > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe > a > > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if > you > > want it to work well. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "doctordeaf" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > > meridian > > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > > shakes > > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. > Is > > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I > just > > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport > and > > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and > they > > > won't sell me a manual! > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Jan 25 22:09:39 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:09:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen In-Reply-To: <01C1A5DD.65C2B860.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: The 506 has a die-cast cdm4/19 transport, very high quality and long lived. The 508.24 I believe has a cdm12 plastic transport (as used in the ?70 technics and philips players) which it must be said has a very short life and poor reliability and costs about ?15 to replace, I should hope meridian did replace it after such a short life. However, I would swap for your 508 anyday!!! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 25 January 2002 20:13 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen I had a similar problem with a 508.24 player that I had bought second hand. I sent it back to Meridian in the UK (because I did not have a dealer), and they fixed it for free, because they said it was down to a manufacturing fault. Dr John Walker 31 Park Road Portland Dorset DT5 2AD email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 15:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Hi again Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD Player! I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good.... Cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot may be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do sometimes spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes si mply caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by skipping problems, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which > may be possible with the transport in place. > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > Regards > Jim > > Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works > quite well. > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you > want it to work well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > meridian > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > shakes > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > > won't sell me a manual! > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jan 25 22:25:35 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:25:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Message-ID: <01C1A5E6.EE62D480.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Thanks - it does have a nice sound, but I still prefer vinyl!!!! Dr John Walker -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2002 21:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen The 506 has a die-cast cdm4/19 transport, very high quality and long lived. The 508.24 I believe has a cdm12 plastic transport (as used in the ?70 technics and philips players) which it must be said has a very short life and poor reliability and costs about ?15 to replace, I should hope meridian did replace it after such a short life. However, I would swap for your 508 anyday!!! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 25 January 2002 20:13 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen I had a similar problem with a 508.24 player that I had bought second hand. I sent it back to Meridian in the UK (because I did not have a dealer), and they fixed it for free, because they said it was down to a manufacturing fault. Dr John Walker 31 Park Road Portland Dorset DT5 2AD email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 15:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Hi again Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD Player! I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one day but your advice is just too good.... Cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot may be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do sometimes spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes si mply caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by skipping problems, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series has > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, which > may be possible with the transport in place. > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking for a > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use the > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that I > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > Regards > Jim > > Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access while > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it won't > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a 2mm > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used is > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward the > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt with > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a variety > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of 50-60mV > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity of > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode array, > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it works > quite well. > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, then > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe a > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if you > want it to work well. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > meridian > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > shakes > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. Is > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I just > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport and > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and they > > won't sell me a manual! > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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However, having made up a transport to DAC digi cable according to Stephen's great recipe, I've discovered just how good even a modest CD (Rotel RCD956) and DAC (modified QED Digit, with twin Positron power supplies) can sound ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 25 January 2002 09:26 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Thanks - it does have a nice sound, but I still prefer vinyl!!!! Dr John Walker - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sat Jan 26 00:18:02 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford 2) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:18:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Tape Pictures References: <001901c1a399$412126e0$6fa387d9@a4s1s2> <3C4DF7F1.1F43082B@concentric.net> <002901c1a3c7$4f756e80$5d6623c8@g8nsv> <001c01c1a434$b91c9f80$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Message-ID: <002a01c1a5f6$8961a420$64fbb440@bc.hsia.telus.net> Interesting page for tapes, has pic links for almost every cassette made in recent times. -- Roland http://www.melofanas.lt/1left/kol/kolekcija_sarasas.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 26 08:04:07 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:04:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: <01C1A5DD.65C2B860.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <019a01c1a637$a642eae0$353442cf@sank1> Unfortunately, the otherwise excellent 508.24 has the total crap CDM-12 mechanism. Meridian seems to be under the very mistaken impression that mechanism/laser quality has no effect on the sound with good electronics. And they also don't seem to give a damn about how obviously & notoriously unreliable those cheap pieces of crap are. I think that is really inexcusable, nearly to the point of cause for a class action suit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > I had a similar problem with a 508.24 player that I had bought second hand. > I sent it back to Meridian in the UK (because I did not have a dealer), and > they fixed it for free, because they said it was down to a manufacturing > fault. > Dr John Walker > 31 Park Road > Portland > Dorset DT5 2AD > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 15:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > Hi again > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD > Player! > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one > day but your advice is just too good.... > > Cheers > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the > resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot > may > be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the > resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech > change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do > sometimes > spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a > precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc > clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes si > mply > caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be > smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by > skipping problems, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series > has > > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, > which > > may be possible with the transport in place. > > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking > for > a > > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use > the > > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that > I > > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > > Regards > > Jim > > > > Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access > while > > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it > won't > > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a > 2mm > > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used > is > > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward > the > > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt > with > > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a > variety > > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of > 50-60mV > > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity > of > > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode > array, > > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it > works > > quite well. > > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, > then > > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe > a > > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if > you > > want it to work well. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "doctordeaf" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > > meridian > > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > > shakes > > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. > Is > > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I > just > > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport > and > > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and > they > > > won't sell me a manual! > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jan 26 08:05:20 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:05:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 References: <001601c1a5df$3d95c4c0$60c387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01a301c1a637$d1ffd120$353442cf@sank1> How much do you think you can get for a used wife? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > Mmmm.... it's about $300 more than they usually sell for ... may be someone > got excited by the very clean look of the beasty. Nice to know tho' as I > still have the ZX9 and the RM200! (Not lost the job yet so still hanging on > to the hi fi - if I have to I'll sell the wife and kids first, of course!) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 25 January 2002 05:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > > Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 > > Cheers, > SM > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 26 08:42:51 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:42:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 In-Reply-To: <01a301c1a637$d1ffd120$353442cf@sank1> Message-ID: My experiences with used wifes is that you, more than likely, will have to pay large fees to someone else to take her off your hands. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 How much do you think you can get for a used wife? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > Mmmm.... it's about $300 more than they usually sell for ... may be someone > got excited by the very clean look of the beasty. Nice to know tho' as I > still have the ZX9 and the RM200! (Not lost the job yet so still hanging on > to the hi fi - if I have to I'll sell the wife and kids first, of course!) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 25 January 2002 05:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > > Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 > > Cheers, > SM > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Jan 26 08:42:52 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:42:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen In-Reply-To: <019a01c1a637$a642eae0$353442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Anybody have any recommendation on reasonable priced DVD players; ie, the 300 to 500 price range. I see that some of the relatively cheap models now come with Faroujda chipsets and have progressive scan output. Does Nakamichi make anything along these lines worth a damn in its current product lineup? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Unfortunately, the otherwise excellent 508.24 has the total crap CDM-12 mechanism. Meridian seems to be under the very mistaken impression that mechanism/laser quality has no effect on the sound with good electronics. And they also don't seem to give a damn about how obviously & notoriously unreliable those cheap pieces of crap are. I think that is really inexcusable, nearly to the point of cause for a class action suit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > I had a similar problem with a 508.24 player that I had bought second hand. > I sent it back to Meridian in the UK (because I did not have a dealer), and > they fixed it for free, because they said it was down to a manufacturing > fault. > Dr John Walker > 31 Park Road > Portland > Dorset DT5 2AD > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] > Sent: Thursday, 24 January, 2002 15:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > Hi again > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian CD > Player! > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now have a > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 an > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that Stephen > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way one > day but your advice is just too good.... > > Cheers > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 11 January 2002 16:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > Oh, if it's the single big board type, like the Rotel 855/955, then the > resistor may be a normal, top-side-of-board resistor, and the adjust pot > may > be near the left edge of the board, accessible from the top also(the > resistor will be just a bit rearward from the pot). In this case, a mech > change will absolutely require the adjustment. And, yes, these do > sometimes > spontaneously go out of range, due to laser diode aging(not necessarily a > precursor to dying), with no other cause. If the unit has a pressure disc > clamper, rather than a magnetic one, the failure to play is sometimes si > mply > caused by a hole wearing into the plastic pressure plate, which can be > smoothed out & regreased to cure. This is almost always preceded by > skipping problems, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "doctordeaf" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:37 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > Many thanks Stephen for your answer, the cdm4 in my meridian 500 series > has > > no board underneath it so I will take a look at the first board after the > > ribbon cable, hopefully not a meridian specific part. If this has a 4.7k > > resistor on it and any adjustment pot I will try testing from there, > which > > may be possible with the transport in place. > > Do these transports drift out of tune with age, or should I be looking > for > a > > cause of the faliure? I have a long list of cheap s/h players which use > the > > cdm4/19 and would rather purchase one of these to attempt repair so that > I > > can test my laser in it to be sure it is the problem. > > Regards > > Jim > > > > Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 11 January 2002 15:49 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > > > Sounds like it most likely just needs to have the laser current adjusted. > > It's a bit of a bitch because you have to adjust while playing a CD & the > > adjustment & test points are on the bottom, where you have no access > while > > running without holding the transport mech up in midair. But, if it > won't > > play any disc at all, you have to first do trial & error nudging of the > > current adjust pot a little at a time each way, each time trying to start > > the disc, until you get the thing to start playing. The pot is the one > > nearest the ribbon cable that comes from the laser, and is operated by a > 2mm > > hex key. The test points are accessed by soldering temporary "extension > > wires" onto each end of a surface mount chip resistor. The resistor used > is > > the 4.7K that comes directly to one of the last ribbon cable pins toward > the > > rear of the mech. Their often not marked at all, so you have to hunt > with > > an ohmmeter. Once you have the wires to it, and get a disc playing, you > > adjust the pot until you fall within 5mV each way from 55mV with a > variety > > of discs, at first & last track of each disc. In other words, you try to > > reach the best compromise so that no disc falls outside the range of > 50-60mV > > by more than 1 or 2mV. The reading varies according to the reflectivity > of > > each disc, as it is monitoring the current drain of the photo-diode > array, > > rather than the actual laser diode power. A weird arrangement, but it > works > > quite well. > > If you can't get a disc to play no matter where the adjust pot is set, > then > > the laser is done for. If you find a CDM-4 that fits, such as from maybe > a > > Magnavox CDB-482, then count on needing to do the current adjustment if > you > > want it to work well. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "doctordeaf" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:23 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT > > > > > > > As we've got onto the subject of cd transports, my cdm4/19 equipped > > meridian > > > transport attempts to focus (one movement, tinge of red to lens) then > > shakes > > > from side to side (small movement) several times before reading 'NOCD'. > Is > > > this 'shaking' a sign of a bad transport or bad logic? I am thinking of > > > picking up a cheap Marantz CD40 or CD42 to try a new laser, but can I > just > > > take the laser assembly off the transport base and swap over without > > > adjustment, or will I have to swap over the entire die-cast transport > and > > > fit the meridian spindle-centre? > > > Any help would be great, I can't afford meridians servicing costs and > they > > > won't sell me a manual! > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 26 09:16:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 08:16:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c1a641$d014e580$aaa487d9@a4s1s2> That's a good point, Carl. How expensive is "a hit" these days? Cosy Nostrils -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 26 January 2002 07:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 My experiences with used wifes is that you, more than likely, will have to pay large fees to someone else to take her off your hands. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 How much do you think you can get for a used wife? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > Mmmm.... it's about $300 more than they usually sell for ... may be someone > got excited by the very clean look of the beasty. Nice to know tho' as I > still have the ZX9 and the RM200! (Not lost the job yet so still hanging on > to the hi fi - if I have to I'll sell the wife and kids first, of course!) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 25 January 2002 05:02 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > > Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 > > Cheers, > SM > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Sat Jan 26 12:12:28 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (suedbahntom at gmx.net) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:12:28 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <15953.1012043548@www4.gmx.net> have anyone experience about bad azimuth-able TDK SA-X90 on ZX-7/ZX-9?. best regards, Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sat Jan 26 12:15:51 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:15:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen In-Reply-To: <3C5186FD.22189.1AEAAE0@localhost> Message-ID: Not a complete list, not warranteed 100% accurate (but worked for me) and not very user friendly, but for anyone that wanted it, the list is below. I may add some pictures for reference, a search function and maybe even some more manufacturers when I have time, but for now....... http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/users/doctordeaf/files/laser_pickup.htm Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Sent: 25 January 2002 15:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Date sent: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:27:45 +0000 Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Hi Jim, Is it possible to have a copy too? E-mail to: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Thank´s a lot. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: doctordeaf > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:56 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen > > > > Hi again > > > > Just want to thank Stephen for his invaluable help with my dead Meridian >CD > > Player! > > > > I ended up replacing the laser assembly with one out of a very cheap s/h > > technics cd player (I have a good cross referencing list for anyone that > > wants it) and adjusted the laser as per Stephens instructions. I now >have a > > sweet sounding 506 again for about $30 outlay, while Meridian wanted $65 >an > > hour + parts and shipping just to have a look. > > > > Been recieving the list for a year now and it still amazes me that >Stephen > > gives so much of his time for free, I hope I can put some work your way >one > > day but your advice is just too good.... > > > > Cheers > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: suedbahntom at gmx.net [mailto:suedbahntom at gmx.net] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 10:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] have anyone experience about bad azimuth-able TDK SA-X90 on ZX-7/ZX-9?. best regards, Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 26 13:13:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 12:13:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <15953.1012043548@www4.gmx.net> Message-ID: <001401c1a662$df2f2820$aaa487d9@a4s1s2> Hi Tom I generally find with the TDK SA and MA tapes I use I have to re-adjust the azimuth for every darned new tape I put on and when I change sides. Curiously, I DON'T have this problem with the BASF Chrome Super II tapes - with these I find that, once I've set the azimuth on one side, it'll be spot on when I turn over the cassette. But then, some of our brethren here have been commenting on the poorer quality of TDK cassettes on sale of late .... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of suedbahntom at gmx.net Sent: 26 January 2002 11:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] have anyone experience about bad azimuth-able TDK SA-X90 on ZX-7/ZX-9?. best regards, Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 26 13:44:48 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:44:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 References: <001601c1a5df$3d95c4c0$60c387d9@a4s1s2> <01a301c1a637$d1ffd120$353442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002001c1a667$fbd0ec20$6f289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen and all, While still on the same subject line ... finally got my own "super-tuned edition" deck (not wife), yes ! Since it doesn't come with any SF-10 (and with dead orange caps everywhere), i got it for much lesser amount than peak ebay price. Hey, it doesn't even have a padlifter ! :-( Despite the v.g.c. cosmetics, calibration is not working yet ... but what bugs me most is that left / supply capstan rotated too fast and made the tape lose contact with head. I put in new belt, cleaned the rollers and still too fast. Maybe head is also misshaped a bit due to long lost padlifter, but it's now installed and head already aligned 'manually' using external test tone. Could this be electronic problem such as supply reel speed adjustment ? I temporarily wrap the supply flywheel using cellophane tape, increasing the diameter to slow down the rotation and it works. Any hint or clue to source of this problem is much appreciated ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 How much do you think you can get for a used wife? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jan 26 13:55:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:55:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen References: Message-ID: <002a01c1a668$bc93d8a0$6f289bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Jim ! That's quite a page you put up. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Phillips cdm4/19 transport - OT - Stephen Not a complete list, not warranteed 100% accurate (but worked for me) and not very user friendly, but for anyone that wanted it, the list is below. I may add some pictures for reference, a search function and maybe even some more manufacturers when I have time, but for now....... http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/users/doctordeaf/files/laser_pickup.htm Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 15:13:45 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 16:13:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: TDK azimuth problem Message-ID: Hi Toms -:), I see you're in Germany, Tom, so I'd guess your TDK is from the Luxembourg crap sold in Europe - if that is correct, you can expect all kinds of weird behaviour (due to bad shell, bad wheels inside the shell, poor pad support and crappy tape as such - in a word, everything you can think of), but don't worry - it's not your Nak ! If I'm wrong in my assumption, then the explanation is probably something along the lines of what Tom wrote below. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Thomas Siomopoulos Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:34:49 +1100 Hi Tom, Yes once. I own a ZX9 and the cassette was a SA-90. The problem was the actual cassette because it had creases running along the tape and this caused the azimuth adjustment to go crazy. Try different cassettes and if they pass the test then your deck should be ok. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: suedbahntom at gmx.net [mailto:suedbahntom at gmx.net] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 10:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] have anyone experience about bad azimuth-able TDK SA-X90 on ZX-7/ZX-9?. best regards, Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Jan 26 16:41:53 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:41:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PA-7 References: <01C1A5DD.65C2B860.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <019a01c1a637$a642eae0$353442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007301c1a67f$fb106e60$6b021fac@brianm> I sent this link yesterday, but I don't think it came through, I never received it. Nakamichi Stasis PA-7 Power Amp. $999 obo http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?ampstran&1017182694&2&3&4& Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Sat Jan 26 18:40:32 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:40:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 References: <001601c1a5df$3d95c4c0$60c387d9@a4s1s2> <01a301c1a637$d1ffd120$353442cf@sank1> <002001c1a667$fbd0ec20$6f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Some people spent time et money on veteran cars, but we... Good Luck with the deck Salim! Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Stephen and all, While still on the same subject line ... finally got my own "super-tuned edition" deck (not wife), yes ! Since it doesn't come with any SF-10 (and with dead orange caps everywhere), i got it for much lesser amount than peak ebay price. Hey, it doesn't even have a padlifter ! :-( Despite the v.g.c. cosmetics, calibration is not working yet ... but what bugs me most is that left / supply capstan rotated too fast and made the tape lose contact with head. I put in new belt, cleaned the rollers and still too fast. Maybe head is also misshaped a bit due to long lost padlifter, but it's now installed and head already aligned 'manually' using external test tone. Could this be electronic problem such as supply reel speed adjustment ? I temporarily wrap the supply flywheel using cellophane tape, increasing the diameter to slow down the rotation and it works. Any hint or clue to source of this problem is much appreciated ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 How much do you think you can get for a used wife? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Jan 26 19:07:49 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:07:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: Message-ID: <3C52F075.2C20C182@concentric.net> Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > Anybody have any recommendation on reasonable priced DVD players; ie, the > 300 to 500 price range. I see that some of the relatively cheap models now > come with Faroujda chipsets and have progressive scan output. > > Does Nakamichi make anything along these lines worth a damn in its current > product lineup? > > Regards, > Carl I have been in the market for a better DVD player ever since my 3 year old Toshiba died on me a few months ago. At the time, there was no DVD player on the market that met my wish list of features (let alone, performance). Recently, Denon has come out with the DVM-4800, that meets most of my requirements. Granted, it's mechanics is crap but, surprisingly, reasonably reliable crap (unlike Toshiba crap). I am getting ready to buy it -- I've waited for them a few months, since, IME, they tend to take some time before they iron out all the bugs. BTW, I realize the DVM-4800 won't fit in your budget. I am simply suggesting that listing all your requirements on a piece of paper is probably the best first step to selecting a player. Another BTW: one of my requirements is a carousel, since I wish to combine DVD and CD playing on one shelf. If you are willing to live with a single drawer player, your selection is far wider than mine. My wish list is: Formats: Video: DVD, CDV Audio: DD, DTS, DVD-A, MP3, CD, HDCD Video: 12 bit video DAC. 0 IRE capability. Progressive output. 3:2 pull down processing. Jog (frame by frame) in both directions. Clean shuttle in both directions. Simultaneous S-video and component video outputs. Audio: 24bit/192KHz DACs. 24bit/192KHz digital output. Base audio, optical and co-ax outputs. Features: Double as CD player. Carousel (at least 5 discs). Reasonably fast remote control response. As many discrete remote control codes as possible. Cost under $1,500. Reasonable build quality and reliability. Make: Prefer Pioneer or Denon (personal bias) Positively not Sony or Toshiba (both build crap). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Jan 26 19:09:49 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:09:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 References: <000201c1a641$d014e580$aaa487d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C52F0ED.37AA5CE4@concentric.net> In the US, it's about 120% of the guy's take home pay. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > That's a good point, Carl. How expensive is "a hit" these days? > > Cosy Nostrils > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: 26 January 2002 07:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > My experiences with used wifes is that you, more than likely, will have to > pay large fees to someone else to take her off your hands. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:05 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > How much do you think you can get for a used wife? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:31 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > Mmmm.... it's about $300 more than they usually sell for ... may be > someone > > got excited by the very clean look of the beasty. Nice to know tho' as I > > still have the ZX9 and the RM200! (Not lost the job yet so still hanging > on > > to the hi fi - if I have to I'll sell the wife and kids first, of course!) > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: 25 January 2002 05:02 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > > > > > > Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 > > > > Cheers, > > SM > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jan 26 20:16:16 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:16:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 In-Reply-To: <3C52F0ED.37AA5CE4@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000001c1a69d$ee3f80e0$349587d9@a4s1s2> Jeeesh! That's cheaper than a lawyer!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 26 January 2002 06:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 In the US, it's about 120% of the guy's take home pay. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > That's a good point, Carl. How expensive is "a hit" these days? > > Cosy Nostrils > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: 26 January 2002 07:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > My experiences with used wifes is that you, more than likely, will have to > pay large fees to someone else to take her off your hands. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:05 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > How much do you think you can get for a used wife? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:31 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > Mmmm.... it's about $300 more than they usually sell for ... may be > someone > > got excited by the very clean look of the beasty. Nice to know tho' as I > > still have the ZX9 and the RM200! (Not lost the job yet so still hanging > on > > to the hi fi - if I have to I'll sell the wife and kids first, of course!) > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: 25 January 2002 05:02 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > > > > > > Is it real ... or is it the warranty ? :-) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1321614981 > > > > Cheers, > > SM > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Ed Aaron Bohnen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > best regards, > > Aaron > > ___________________________________________________________ > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Ed Aaron Bohnen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > best regards, > > Aaron > > ___________________________________________________________ > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [mailto:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2002 1:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: TDK azimuth problem Hi Toms -:), I see you're in Germany, Tom, so I'd guess your TDK is from the Luxembourg crap sold in Europe - if that is correct, you can expect all kinds of weird behaviour (due to bad shell, bad wheels inside the shell, poor pad support and crappy tape as such - in a word, everything you can think of), but don't worry - it's not your Nak ! If I'm wrong in my assumption, then the explanation is probably something along the lines of what Tom wrote below. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Thomas Siomopoulos Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:34:49 +1100 Hi Tom, Yes once. I own a ZX9 and the cassette was a SA-90. The problem was the actual cassette because it had creases running along the tape and this caused the azimuth adjustment to go crazy. Try different cassettes and if they pass the test then your deck should be ok. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: suedbahntom at gmx.net [mailto:suedbahntom at gmx.net] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 10:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] have anyone experience about bad azimuth-able TDK SA-X90 on ZX-7/ZX-9?. best regards, Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm not sure if that is possible but since the supply capstan is rotating too fast it makes sense. This will cause the calibration not to work correctly or at all. Your best bet would be to seek advice from our resident Guru's and wait for their responses. Best of luck and be patient with your ZX9, it took 2 years to iron out the bugs in mine. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Saturday, 26 January 2002 11:45 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Stephen and all, While still on the same subject line ... finally got my own "super-tuned edition" deck (not wife), yes ! Since it doesn't come with any SF-10 (and with dead orange caps everywhere), i got it for much lesser amount than peak ebay price. Hey, it doesn't even have a padlifter ! :-( Despite the v.g.c. cosmetics, calibration is not working yet ... but what bugs me most is that left / supply capstan rotated too fast and made the tape lose contact with head. I put in new belt, cleaned the rollers and still too fast. Maybe head is also misshaped a bit due to long lost padlifter, but it's now installed and head already aligned 'manually' using external test tone. Could this be electronic problem such as supply reel speed adjustment ? I temporarily wrap the supply flywheel using cellophane tape, increasing the diameter to slow down the rotation and it works. Any hint or clue to source of this problem is much appreciated ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 How much do you think you can get for a used wife? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jan 27 12:30:15 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:30:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000e01c1a726$109e7320$55289bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, Thanks for your idea ! Looks like the flywheels are in correct places since the take-up one is direct driven - just like in BX300. I'm almost sure each diameter is also different so it won't fit the others' bushings. Probably the back tension thing, but that's strange. 2 years !!! Man, that's quite a long time, what happened inside your ZX ? many minor bugs or one big thing ? I'll let you know once the oranges are replaced, right now it sounds awfully 'wrong', despite adequate FR 'chart'. BTW guys, this ZX uses a TA75558 (yes, 5 digits) in its line op amp, looks like a 'super tuned' 4558 indeed. Would an OP275 be better still, or should I leave this limited-edition op amp alone ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Salim, I'm going to take a BIG guess here, I think that someone has played around with the mechanics and has swapped the flywheels back-to-front. I'm not sure if that is possible but since the supply capstan is rotating too fast it makes sense. This will cause the calibration not to work correctly or at all. Your best bet would be to seek advice from our resident Guru's and wait for their responses. Best of luck and be patient with your ZX9, it took 2 years to iron out the bugs in mine. Tom Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suedbahntom at gmx.net Sun Jan 27 13:15:15 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (suedbahntom at gmx.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:15:15 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes Message-ID: <28889.1012133715@www51.gmx.net> hi Tom ,hi Graham, after a few recording sessions I`m convincing about my change to maxell`s. thanks Tom, thanks Graham. I´m still havent found some cosmeticaly parts for my zx-9. a.) output, record level knob`s and b.) two knob`s for calibration unit(level bias). have anyone an idea?!! b. r., Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 14:11:51 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:11:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes Message-ID: Tom, There is a company in the UK, which services Naks and may have the parts - www.bowersandwilkins.com. Maybe Graham could help you further. I'd say that being in Europe that would be your best bet - otherwise you'll have to approach our brothers wolrdwide. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: suedbahntom at gmx.net Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:15:15 +0100 (MET) hi Tom ,hi Graham, after a few recording sessions I`m convincing about my change to maxell`s. thanks Tom, thanks Graham. I�m still havent found some cosmeticaly parts for my zx-9. a.) output, record level knob`s and b.) two knob`s for calibration unit(level bias). have anyone an idea?!! b. r., Tom. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 27 15:46:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:46:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000901c1a741$67f1d7a0$2aab87d9@a4s1s2> The other alternative for European service, as far as I know is: Transtec: Brugwachter 19 3034 KD Rotterdam Netherlands Tel: (0)10 - 4147055 Fax; (0)10 - 4113580 E-mail: transtec at transtec.nl Website: www.transtec.nl "The Man" there is a Tom (or Ton?) van der Hoff, who does some kind of modification to Nak decks that apparently squeezes more out of ther top end. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 27 January 2002 01:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] maxell tapes Tom, There is a company in the UK, which services Naks and may have the parts - www.bowersandwilkins.com. Maybe Graham could help you further. I'd say that being in Europe that would be your best bet - otherwise you'll have to approach our brothers wolrdwide. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: suedbahntom at gmx.net Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:15:15 +0100 (MET) hi Tom ,hi Graham, after a few recording sessions I`m convincing about my change to maxell`s. thanks Tom, thanks Graham. I´m still havent found some cosmeticaly parts for my zx-9. a.) output, record level knob`s and b.) two knob`s for calibration unit(level bias). have anyone an idea?!! b. r., Tom. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Sun Jan 27 16:45:24 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (suedbahntom at gmx.net) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:45:24 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes References: <000901c1a741$67f1d7a0$2aab87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <11172.1012146324@www11.gmx.net> > The other alternative for European service, as far as I know is: > > Transtec: > > Brugwachter 19 > 3034 KD Rotterdam > Netherlands > > Tel: (0)10 - 4147055 > Fax; (0)10 - 4113580 > E-mail: transtec at transtec.nl > Website: www.transtec.nl > > "The Man" there is a Tom (or Ton?) van der Hoff, who does some kind of > modification to Nak decks that apparently squeezes more out of ther top > end. > yes, I know him, because he made a very good repair and rebuilt job on my zx-7. I bought it used because the dealer wrote, it`s in mind condition. it was, but only in optical-matter. in technial matterIt was (....). okay, Tom made realy great work, now it`s realy a killer machine. b.r.Tom > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 27 January 2002 01:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] maxell tapes > > > Tom, > > There is a company in the UK, which services Naks and may have the parts - > www.bowersandwilkins.com. Maybe Graham could help you further. I'd say > that > being in Europe that would be your best bet - otherwise you'll have to > approach our brothers wolrdwide. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: suedbahntom at gmx.net > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] maxell tapes > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:15:15 +0100 (MET) > > hi Tom ,hi Graham, > after a few recording sessions I`m convincing about my change to maxell`s. > thanks Tom, thanks Graham. > > I´m still havent found some cosmeticaly parts for my zx-9. > a.) output, record level knob`s and > b.) two knob`s for calibration unit(level bias). > have anyone an idea?!! > b. r., Tom. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Sun Jan 27 17:46:05 2002 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:46:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players In-Reply-To: ; from g_valkov@hotmail.com on Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 10:11:55AM +0200 References: Message-ID: <20020127114605.A6789@herrman.road> I am very happy with the Onkyo S525, but it too will not play any CDRs at all. --Jud On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 10:11:55AM +0200, George Valkov wrote: > I can recommend also the Onkyo 555 (I forget the letters), which is an > excellent performer and should be within the required price range. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ed Noyes > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:17:21 -0500 > > I too found the NAD to be one of the better DVD players for the price, but > the one > caveat is that it will not play CD-R's. > > Ed > > Aaron Bohnen wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > > > best regards, > > > > Aaron > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jan 27 18:11:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:11:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes In-Reply-To: <000001c1a69d$ee3f80e0$349587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000a01c1a755$b624ac40$2aab87d9@a4s1s2> Just bought myself five Maxell Metal-CD 110 tapes. Of course, I know Maxell make metal tapes but I'd not heard of this range before. Just tried a test recording from a DAT master. It sounds excellent. Don't think I could pick between the copy and the original. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 9:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players I too found the NAD to be one of the better DVD players for the price, but the one caveat is that it will not play CD-R's. Ed Aaron Bohnen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > best regards, > > Aaron > > ___________________________________________________________ > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Jud Herrman Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:46:05 -0500 I am very happy with the Onkyo S525, but it too will not play any CDRs at all. --Jud On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 10:11:55AM +0200, George Valkov wrote: > I can recommend also the Onkyo 555 (I forget the letters), which is an > excellent performer and should be within the required price range. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ed Noyes > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 00:17:21 -0500 > > I too found the NAD to be one of the better DVD players for the price, but > the one > caveat is that it will not play CD-R's. > > Ed > > Aaron Bohnen wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > > > best regards, > > > > Aaron > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From jherrman at fas.harvard.edu Sun Jan 27 22:48:59 2002 From: jherrman at fas.harvard.edu (Jud Herrman) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:48:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Onkyo DVD 555 In-Reply-To: <001401c17c6e$f76199a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk>; from ole.thofte@tdcadsl.dk on Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 03:54:17AM +0100 References: <200112040209.VAA01876@herrman.road> <001401c17c6e$f76199a0$f8f03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <20020127164859.A11637@herrman.road> I accidentally erased the message I'm replying to. Sorry about the changed subject line, and replying to the list. This is with regard to the mention that the Onkyo DVD 555 player can play CDRs. I assume that it plays all CDRs well, and that it's not too finicky about them? I ask because my NAD CD player plays them, but it's very often slow to read them (10 seconds or so) and has an equally long pause if you skip tracks at all. I'm not very happy with the NAD unit in other regards as well. The only reason I haven't removed the NAD player from my system and use the Onkyo DVD player for everything is the CDR issue. Do you recommend the 555 player strongly? Its CDR capabilities, combined with my fondness for my older Onkyo DVD player and a low price make this a very tempting unit. Thanks for any thoughts. Best, Jud ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > Hi Stephen and all, > > While still on the same subject line ... finally got my own "super-tuned edition" deck (not wife), yes ! Since it doesn't come with any SF-10 (and with dead orange caps everywhere), i got it for much lesser amount than peak ebay price. Hey, it doesn't even have a padlifter ! :-( > > Despite the v.g.c. cosmetics, calibration is not working yet ... but what bugs me most is that left / supply capstan rotated too fast and made the tape lose contact with head. I put in new belt, cleaned the rollers and still too fast. Maybe head is also misshaped a bit due to long lost padlifter, but it's now installed and head already aligned 'manually' using external test tone. Could this be electronic problem such as supply reel speed adjustment ? > > I temporarily wrap the supply flywheel using cellophane tape, increasing the diameter to slow down the rotation and it works. Any hint or clue to source of this problem is much appreciated ... > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > How much do you think you can get for a used wife? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jan 27 23:48:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:48:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: Message-ID: <025601c1a784$cd4a3a00$1a3442cf@sank1> The Pioneer player has a completely different laser than the Marantz 63, and is likely a bit different wavelength & definitely a bit higher output. No surprise that it plays CDR's better. I'd be quite concerned about who actually makes the Onkyo & NAD players. While there still seems to be no such thing as a proven reliable DVD laser, it seems to me that one can only trust a Sony based unit to be anything close to reliable. Also, it's dual laser pickup is far more cdr compatible than single laser units. And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut cost, they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything else. Pure shit. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > on the topic of being able to play CDR discs. I accidentally used a CDRW to > copy a live show. It will not play on my marantz cd63II. But, the pioneer > pl59 elite laserdisc player does recognize it. > Anywisdom on this phenomena? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ed Noyes > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 9:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > > I too found the NAD to be one of the better DVD players for the price, but > the one > caveat is that it will not play CD-R's. > > Ed > > Aaron Bohnen wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > > > best regards, > > > > Aaron > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Jan 28 04:00:48 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: <025601c1a784$cd4a3a00$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C54BEDC.E05F7C77@snet.net> After owning a bunch of NAD pieces over the years all I can say is that they are fine on paper and do sound quite good for cheap goods if you get one that works... ah, but that's the rub as the construction is typically very spotty at best. Up until recently they were sourcing to 23 factories (all low price bidders) with only a half dozen people in charge of quality control. The fact that 2 or so generations of components incorporated just one lamp in the display with what seems like about a 100 hour life is just one indicator of how amazingly cheap they can be. On a whole other note, I do continue to be very impressed with my old Sony DVP-7000 as a DVD player and CD transport. It has proven to be quite reliable and I've heard the transport has a bit of a cult following (alleged to be the same as the one in the multi thousand dollar Krell). The analog output is pretty poor, but that's where the Van Alstine converter comes in. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > The Pioneer player has a completely different laser than the Marantz 63, and > is likely a bit different wavelength & definitely a bit higher output. No > surprise that it plays CDR's better. > I'd be quite concerned about who actually makes the Onkyo & NAD players. > While there still seems to be no such thing as a proven reliable DVD laser, > it seems to me that one can only trust a Sony based unit to be anything > close to reliable. Also, it's dual laser pickup is far more cdr compatible > than single laser units. > And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut cost, > they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything > else. Pure shit. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:52 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > > on the topic of being able to play CDR discs. I accidentally used a CDRW > to > > copy a live show. It will not play on my marantz cd63II. But, the > pioneer > > pl59 elite laserdisc player does recognize it. > > Anywisdom on this phenomena? > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ed Noyes > > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 9:17 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > > > > > I too found the NAD to be one of the better DVD players for the price, but > > the one > > caveat is that it will not play CD-R's. > > > > Ed > > > > Aaron Bohnen wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > Just a quick plug for the NAD T550 - been very good for me and > > > *excellent* as a secondary CD player. > > > > > > best regards, > > > > > > Aaron > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > > > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > > > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Jan 28 11:58:01 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:58:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Tapes Message-ID: Hi Graham, I think those Metal-CDs from Maxell are splendid too. They seem to be like the erstwhile Maxell MX, with a different casing. It's a very nice tape from the UK Maxell Mystic line, and a deal more affordable than the magnificent MX-S. Richer Sounds often have them (max of twenty per customer at UKS0.95 a pop, so ........ I see they have a Richer sounds at 1-5 Berry Street, Liverpool (top of Bold Street). I got mine in an eight-pack from Dixons. Thanks for the assessment against DAT tape. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 01/27/02 07:11PM >>> Just bought myself five Maxell Metal-CD 110 tapes. Of course, I know Maxell make metal tapes but I'd not heard of this range before. Just tried a test recording from a DAT master. It sounds excellent. Don't think I could pick between the copy and the original. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Now I have a healthy ZX9. Keep us posted with your results on your ZX. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Sunday, 27 January 2002 10:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Tom, Thanks for your idea ! Looks like the flywheels are in correct places since the take-up one is direct driven - just like in BX300. I'm almost sure each diameter is also different so it won't fit the others' bushings. Probably the back tension thing, but that's strange. 2 years !!! Man, that's quite a long time, what happened inside your ZX ? many minor bugs or one big thing ? I'll let you know once the oranges are replaced, right now it sounds awfully 'wrong', despite adequate FR 'chart'. BTW guys, this ZX uses a TA75558 (yes, 5 digits) in its line op amp, looks like a 'super tuned' 4558 indeed. Would an OP275 be better still, or should I leave this limited-edition op amp alone ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Salim, I'm going to take a BIG guess here, I think that someone has played around with the mechanics and has swapped the flywheels back-to-front. I'm not sure if that is possible but since the supply capstan is rotating too fast it makes sense. This will cause the calibration not to work correctly or at all. Your best bet would be to seek advice from our resident Guru's and wait for their responses. Best of luck and be patient with your ZX9, it took 2 years to iron out the bugs in mine. Tom Siomopoulos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 The only way I can see the ZX-9's tape handling problems as a capstan issue is if there is such an extreme amount of wear that the right shaft has worn significantly & more so than the left. Or if some idiot has taken sandpaper to the shafts in an extreme way. Otherwise, assuming a reasonably correct belt, I'd think it to be a back tension brake issue on the supply reel. As for the TA75558, it is simply a Toshiba-made 4558, with no alterations, so by all means change it to OP275. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 14:57:30 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:57:30 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Message-ID: Hi guys, Apologies for chasing up such a distasteful topic (-:), but I forwarded part of Ed's and Stephen's comments to a friend of mine who is a NAD aficionado. Below is his reply - anyone able to comment to the Silver line ? He has the CD player, pre-amp and power amp. George >This all refers to the regular NAD series and I think not to the Silver line series, which is not cheaply built, I believe. You may ask your buddies about S100, S 200 and S 500 or whatever is the CD player number.< George Valkov wrote: > Thought you might find this thread interesting ... > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ed Noyes > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:48 -0500 > > After owning a bunch of NAD pieces over the years all I can say is that they > are fine on paper and do sound quite good for cheap goods if you get one > that works... ah, but that's the rub as the construction is typically very > spotty at best. Up until recently they were sourcing to 23 factories (all > low price bidders) with only a half dozen people in charge of quality > control. The fact that 2 or so generations of components > incorporated just one lamp in the display with what seems like about a 100 > hour life is just one indicator of how amazingly cheap they can be. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > >And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut cost, > >they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything > >else. Pure shit. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 14:57:51 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:57:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Message-ID: Hi guys, Apologies for chasing up such a distasteful topic (-:), but I forwarded part of Ed's and Stephen's comments to a friend of mine who is a NAD aficionado. Below is his reply - anyone able to comment on the Silver line ? He has the CD player, pre-amp and power amp. George >This all refers to the regular NAD series and I think not to the Silver line series, which is not cheaply built, I believe. You may ask your buddies about S100, S 200 and S 500 or whatever is the CD player number.< George Valkov wrote: > Thought you might find this thread interesting ... > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Ed Noyes > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:48 -0500 > > After owning a bunch of NAD pieces over the years all I can say is that they > are fine on paper and do sound quite good for cheap goods if you get one > that works... ah, but that's the rub as the construction is typically very > spotty at best. Up until recently they were sourcing to 23 factories (all > low price bidders) with only a half dozen people in charge of quality > control. The fact that 2 or so generations of components > incorporated just one lamp in the display with what seems like about a 100 > hour life is just one indicator of how amazingly cheap they can be. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > >And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut cost, > >they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything > >else. Pure shit. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jan 28 15:55:36 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:55:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: <025601c1a784$cd4a3a00$1a3442cf@sank1> <3C54BEDC.E05F7C77@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C556668.36ECB1A2@concentric.net> Ed Noyes wrote: > > [.......] > > On a whole other note, I do continue to be very impressed > with my old Sony DVP-7000 as a DVD player and CD transport. > It has proven to be quite reliable and I've heard the > transport has a bit of a cult following (alleged to be the > same as the one in the multi thousand dollar Krell). The > analog output is pretty poor, but that's where the > Van Alstine converter comes in. Sony used to make excellent stuff. That was then. In recent years, they have changed their strategy w.r.t. home electronics. They now compete on price in this commodity market and, as a result, their quality has dropped to the lowest imaginable level. This is true for the design, component quality, build quality and Service. Looking at the Consumer reports statistics for the past few years, Sony invariably appears way down at the bottom of the list -- if not the last one, then darn close to it. As a side note, Toshiba is in similar. Used to be one very fine manufacturer, but no longer. Statistically, their reliability isn't quite as bad as Sony's, but their after sale so-called Service is downright despicable. I wouldn't buy a Toshiba product regardless of how cheap it was (and yes, they *are* cheap). In contrast, my experience with Pioneer and Denon has been very good. These are still cheapo commodity products, but their reliability is quite acceptable and Denon's Service people -- while not easy to deal with -- have gone out of their way to satisfy the customer. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Jan 28 15:59:51 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:59:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZXL 1000 on e-bay - scary starting bid ! Message-ID: Starting price of £950 UKP !!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1328461455 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jan 28 16:47:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:47:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: <025601c1a784$cd4a3a00$1a3442cf@sank1> <3C54BEDC.E05F7C77@snet.net> <3C556668.36ECB1A2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004d01c1a813$217a6940$61289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, I can vote for denon dvd 3000, but then again i don't use it that often (and it doesn't play cdr), heard that it's actually a panasonic unit. Pioneer seems to be the best bet, and value, on dvd players, they're very popular in this part of world. Speaking of 'support' ... maybe the lack of adequate support implies great product, just like our Naks. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Ed Noyes wrote: > > [.......] > > On a whole other note, I do continue to be very impressed > with my old Sony DVP-7000 as a DVD player and CD transport. > It has proven to be quite reliable and I've heard the > transport has a bit of a cult following (alleged to be the > same as the one in the multi thousand dollar Krell). The > analog output is pretty poor, but that's where the > Van Alstine converter comes in. Sony used to make excellent stuff. That was then. In recent years, they have changed their strategy w.r.t. home electronics. They now compete on price in this commodity market and, as a result, their quality has dropped to the lowest imaginable level. This is true for the design, component quality, build quality and Service. Looking at the Consumer reports statistics for the past few years, Sony invariably appears way down at the bottom of the list -- if not the last one, then darn close to it. As a side note, Toshiba is in similar. Used to be one very fine manufacturer, but no longer. Statistically, their reliability isn't quite as bad as Sony's, but their after sale so-called Service is downright despicable. I wouldn't buy a Toshiba product regardless of how cheap it was (and yes, they *are* cheap). In contrast, my experience with Pioneer and Denon has been very good. These are still cheapo commodity products, but their reliability is quite acceptable and Denon's Service people -- while not easy to deal with -- have gone out of their way to satisfy the customer. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 16:52:51 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:52:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Message-ID: Hi all, I did reply privately to Jud, but seeing that the thread survives (I was the one suggesting the Onkyo), I'll repeat in short what I know about the Onkyo 555: Definitely reads CDR and MP3, not sure about CDRW, Pioneer-based unit. The Pioneer analog boasts about dual laser, the Onkyo doesn't have anything mentioned about this, but my guess would be it's the same. Unfortunately cannot remember the exact model of the Pioneer unit. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Salim Marzuki Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:47:45 +0700 Hi Ron, I can vote for denon dvd 3000, but then again i don't use it that often (and it doesn't play cdr), heard that it's actually a panasonic unit. Pioneer seems to be the best bet, and value, on dvd players, they're very popular in this part of world. Speaking of 'support' ... maybe the lack of adequate support implies great product, just like our Naks. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Ed Noyes wrote: > > [.......] > > On a whole other note, I do continue to be very impressed > with my old Sony DVP-7000 as a DVD player and CD transport. > It has proven to be quite reliable and I've heard the > transport has a bit of a cult following (alleged to be the > same as the one in the multi thousand dollar Krell). The > analog output is pretty poor, but that's where the > Van Alstine converter comes in. Sony used to make excellent stuff. That was then. In recent years, they have changed their strategy w.r.t. home electronics. They now compete on price in this commodity market and, as a result, their quality has dropped to the lowest imaginable level. This is true for the design, component quality, build quality and Service. Looking at the Consumer reports statistics for the past few years, Sony invariably appears way down at the bottom of the list -- if not the last one, then darn close to it. As a side note, Toshiba is in similar. Used to be one very fine manufacturer, but no longer. Statistically, their reliability isn't quite as bad as Sony's, but their after sale so-called Service is downright despicable. I wouldn't buy a Toshiba product regardless of how cheap it was (and yes, they *are* cheap). In contrast, my experience with Pioneer and Denon has been very good. These are still cheapo commodity products, but their reliability is quite acceptable and Denon's Service people -- while not easy to deal with -- have gone out of their way to satisfy the customer. -- Ron _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The Pioneer and recent Denon players incorporate dual laser drives. This is becoming an almost universal requirement with players that support MP3 and CDV formats, since these are mostly burned by the users. I don't think Denon sells 'buy out' products, but I am not sure about the DVD-3000. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Graham Nelson wrote: > Hi Tom > > I generally find with the TDK SA and MA tapes I use I have to re-adjust the > azimuth for every darned new tape I put on and when I change sides. > Curiously, I DON'T have this problem with the BASF Chrome Super II tapes - > with these I find that, once I've set the azimuth on one side, it'll be spot > on when I turn over the cassette. But then, some of our brethren here have > been commenting on the poorer quality of TDK cassettes on sale of late .... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > suedbahntom at gmx.net > Sent: 26 January 2002 11:12 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] > > > have anyone experience about bad azimuth-able TDK SA-X90 on ZX-7/ZX-9?. > best regards, Tom. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer ELC Technologies 1532 State Street Suite C Santa Barbara, CA 93101 elotspeich at elctech.com (805) 884.8300 phn (805) 884.8339 fax http://www.elctech.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) only. 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Incidentally, a 1000 MkII was recently withdrawn from eBay at under ?100. The problem was that the seller was in Brisbane, and estimated that it would have cost AU$400 to ship to Europe. John Walker email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2002 15:00 To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZXL 1000 on e-bay - scary starting bid ! Starting price of ?950 UKP !!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1328461455 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Considering the much higher speed & much more abrupt speed shifts in dvd play, the brush motor is an obviously horrible choice, and should fail much more rapidly than in a cd player. Disgusting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > >Hi Ron, > > > >I can vote for denon dvd 3000, but then again i don't use it that often (and it >doesn't play cdr), heard that it's actually a panasonic unit. Pioneer > >seems to be the best bet, and value, on dvd players, they're very popular in this >part of world. > > > >Speaking of 'support' ... maybe the lack of adequate support implies great >product, just like our Naks. :-) > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > As a general rule, single laser DVD players cannot play > CD-R/RW discs. The Pioneer and recent Denon players > incorporate dual laser drives. This is becoming an almost > universal requirement with players that support MP3 and > CDV formats, since these are mostly burned by the users. > > I don't think Denon sells 'buy out' products, but I am > not sure about the DVD-3000. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of erie patsellis Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can say that at one time, they made high quality products, but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the silver series MAY be different, however given their track record, I'd be very surprised. erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jan 28 20:45:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:45:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: Message-ID: <035c01c1a834$588bb080$1a3442cf@sank1> Haven't seen the "silver series" NAD. But I, too, would be shocked beyond sensibility if they were of respectable construction & design. NAD is second only to Bob Carver in their ability to make things horribly badly & yet still get good reviews. Although Creek is a really close competitor in that regard. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Hi guys, > > Apologies for chasing up such a distasteful topic (-:), but I forwarded part > of Ed's and Stephen's comments to a friend of mine who is a NAD aficionado. > Below is his reply - anyone able to comment to the Silver line ? He has the > CD player, pre-amp and power amp. > > George > > > >This all refers to the regular NAD series and I think not to the Silver > line series, which is not cheaply built, I believe. You may ask your buddies > about S100, S 200 and S 500 or whatever is the CD player number.< > > > > George Valkov wrote: > > > Thought you might find this thread interesting ... > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Ed Noyes > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:48 -0500 > > > > After owning a bunch of NAD pieces over the years all I can say is that > they > > are fine on paper and do sound quite good for cheap goods if you get one > > that works... ah, but that's the rub as the construction is typically > very > > spotty at best. Up until recently they were sourcing to 23 factories (all > > low price bidders) with only a half dozen people in charge of quality > > control. The fact that 2 or so generations of components > > incorporated just one lamp in the display with what seems like about a > 100 > > hour life is just one indicator of how amazingly cheap they can be. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > >And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut > cost, > > >they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything > > >else. Pure shit. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Mon Jan 28 20:54:09 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:54:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Password for naks.com/pub/manuals In-Reply-To: <3C554143.5F9308D3@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Marc Hugo wrote: > Would anyone be able to assist with the login protocol for the service > manuals section at naktalk. (username/password) Hello, The correct URL is http://support.naks.com/support Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which are as follows: username: naktalk password: limited I just tested logging in right now, and it gives the index for the available manuals. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon Jan 28 21:00:20 2002 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:00:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players In-Reply-To: <034e01c1a833$800cb740$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: LOL. I love your equipment review messages. If only we could have this level of honesty and bluntness in the magazines... Alex > Considering the much > higher speed & much more abrupt speed shifts in dvd play, the > brush motor is > an obviously horrible choice, and should fail much more rapidly > than in a cd > player. Disgusting. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Jan 28 21:01:25 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:01:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Message-ID: Thnak you, Erie and Stephen. Unfortunately, my pal is a lawyer and I'll need something more solid to throw at him -:). Now seriously, I'd really appreciate feedback from someone with first-hand experience, just out of curiosity - which won't prevent me from jerking my pal's chain at every opportunity I get -:). George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:45:30 -0700 Haven't seen the "silver series" NAD. But I, too, would be shocked beyond sensibility if they were of respectable construction & design. NAD is second only to Bob Carver in their ability to make things horribly badly & yet still get good reviews. Although Creek is a really close competitor in that regard. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Hi guys, > > Apologies for chasing up such a distasteful topic (-:), but I forwarded part > of Ed's and Stephen's comments to a friend of mine who is a NAD aficionado. > Below is his reply - anyone able to comment to the Silver line ? He has the > CD player, pre-amp and power amp. > > George > > > >This all refers to the regular NAD series and I think not to the Silver > line series, which is not cheaply built, I believe. You may ask your buddies > about S100, S 200 and S 500 or whatever is the CD player number.< > > > > George Valkov wrote: > > > Thought you might find this thread interesting ... > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Ed Noyes > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:48 -0500 > > > > After owning a bunch of NAD pieces over the years all I can say is that > they > > are fine on paper and do sound quite good for cheap goods if you get one > > that works... ah, but that's the rub as the construction is typically > very > > spotty at best. Up until recently they were sourcing to 23 factories (all > > low price bidders) with only a half dozen people in charge of quality > > control. The fact that 2 or so generations of components > > incorporated just one lamp in the display with what seems like about a > 100 > > hour life is just one indicator of how amazingly cheap they can be. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > >And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut > cost, > > >they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything > > >else. Pure shit. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Mon Jan 28 21:28:34 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:28:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just handled contracts and shipping receipts. I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', of course. That one I did not like. tim On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > failed. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > erie patsellis > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > silver series MAY be different, however given their > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > erie > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Jan 28 21:48:53 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:48:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: Message-ID: perhaps NAD might consider the institution of a "platinum" or "titanium" series? maybe "diamond" level? Hey, it is all in the perception, no? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Thnak you, Erie and Stephen. Unfortunately, my pal is a lawyer and I'll need something more solid to throw at him -:). Now seriously, I'd really appreciate feedback from someone with first-hand experience, just out of curiosity - which won't prevent me from jerking my pal's chain at every opportunity I get -:). George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:45:30 -0700 Haven't seen the "silver series" NAD. But I, too, would be shocked beyond sensibility if they were of respectable construction & design. NAD is second only to Bob Carver in their ability to make things horribly badly & yet still get good reviews. Although Creek is a really close competitor in that regard. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Hi guys, > > Apologies for chasing up such a distasteful topic (-:), but I forwarded part > of Ed's and Stephen's comments to a friend of mine who is a NAD aficionado. > Below is his reply - anyone able to comment to the Silver line ? He has the > CD player, pre-amp and power amp. > > George > > > >This all refers to the regular NAD series and I think not to the Silver > line series, which is not cheaply built, I believe. You may ask your buddies > about S100, S 200 and S 500 or whatever is the CD player number.< > > > > George Valkov wrote: > > > Thought you might find this thread interesting ... > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Ed Noyes > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:00:48 -0500 > > > > After owning a bunch of NAD pieces over the years all I can say is that > they > > are fine on paper and do sound quite good for cheap goods if you get one > > that works... ah, but that's the rub as the construction is typically > very > > spotty at best. Up until recently they were sourcing to 23 factories (all > > low price bidders) with only a half dozen people in charge of quality > > control. The fact that 2 or so generations of components > > incorporated just one lamp in the display with what seems like about a > 100 > > hour life is just one indicator of how amazingly cheap they can be. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > >And don't even get me started on NAD quality. Anywhere they can cut > cost, > > >they just do it, with absolutely no concern for reliability or anything > > >else. Pure shit. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Mon Jan 28 21:45:13 2002 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:45:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quality today Message-ID: <200201281545_MC3-EFC1-C152@compuserve.com> given all this talk about NAD quality reminds me of something i have been meaning to post to this mailing list for a while. i have a friend who wants a good-sounding, reliable, and not too expensive system to replace the NAD system that she has, which is one of the ones that keeps on falling apart. her budget is no more than $1500 for a CD player, cassette deck, and amplifier/tuner or receiver. she does not mind getting a receiver, but would not be adverse to getting an integrated amp/tuner combination. $1500 is already a lot of money for the person on the street, but she thinks that if that is what it takes to get something good-sounding and doesn't fall apart every few months. i'm out of touch with what's out there today and, although i still recognize the brand names, don't know anymore what any of the stuff sounds like. Herb... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Jan 28 23:14:42 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:14:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: <025601c1a784$cd4a3a00$1a3442cf@sank1> <3C54BEDC.E05F7C77@snet.net> <3C556668.36ECB1A2@concentric.net> <004d01c1a813$217a6940$61289bca@smarzuki> <3C55869E.4EF61557@concentric.net> <034e01c1a833$800cb740$1a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C55CD52.ED51F05F@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I haven't opened any Pioneer DVD players except for a new DVD-434 lowend > piece, but I can say that it at least was not dual laser. If you mean, DV-434 (not DVD-434), then indeed, it utilizes what Pioneer calls 'Twin Wave' laser, that incorporates two separate laser diodes. IIRC, they use a 650nm laser diode for playing DVDs and a 780nm diode for playing CDs, Video CDs and CD-Rs. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Jan 28 23:32:28 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:32:28 +0000 Subject: FWD: Not Delivered: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZXL 1000 on e-bay - scary starting bid ! Message-ID: <3C5EF865@mail.totalise.co.uk> According to the Nakamichi Owners Club Of Japan the 1000ZXL (limited)is the most valuable deck to collectors, 280000 (400000) yen compared to 90000 yen for a 1000 II. In fact i believe a Limted model was sold a couple of years ago for approx 2500GBP. Fred Moss ===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >Has anyone told the seller that this is not going to sell at this price? >Incidentally, a 1000 MkII was recently withdrawn from eBay at under ?100. >The problem was that the seller was in Brisbane, and estimated that it >would have cost AU$400 to ship to Europe. > >John Walker > >email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > >-----Original Message----- >From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] >Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2002 15:00 >To: naktalk >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZXL 1000 on e-bay - scary starting bid ! > > >Starting price of ?950 UKP !!! > >http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1328461455 > > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emmett at sprint.ca Mon Jan 28 23:29:36 2002 From: emmett at sprint.ca (emmett) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:29:36 -0500 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Message-ID: <007f01c1a84b$454be5a0$16cb6395@h4y1l2> i need a photocopied manual for a zx-9 does anyone have one i would for it thanks emmett -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 >The only way I can see the ZX-9's tape handling problems as a capstan issue >is if there is such an extreme amount of wear that the right shaft has worn >significantly & more so than the left. Or if some idiot has taken sandpaper >to the shafts in an extreme way. Otherwise, assuming a reasonably correct >belt, I'd think it to be a back tension brake issue on the supply reel. >As for the TA75558, it is simply a Toshiba-made 4558, with no alterations, >so by all means change it to OP275. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salim Marzuki" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:44 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > >> >> Hi Stephen and all, >> >> While still on the same subject line ... finally got my own "super-tuned >edition" deck (not wife), yes ! Since it doesn't come with any SF-10 (and >with dead orange caps everywhere), i got it for much lesser amount than peak >ebay price. Hey, it doesn't even have a padlifter ! :-( >> >> Despite the v.g.c. cosmetics, calibration is not working yet ... but what >bugs me most is that left / supply capstan rotated too fast and made the >tape lose contact with head. I put in new belt, cleaned the rollers and >still too fast. Maybe head is also misshaped a bit due to long lost >padlifter, but it's now installed and head already aligned 'manually' using >external test tone. Could this be electronic problem such as supply reel >speed adjustment ? >> >> I temporarily wrap the supply flywheel using cellophane tape, increasing >the diameter to slow down the rotation and it works. Any hint or clue to >source of this problem is much appreciated ... >> >> Best regards, >> Salim SM >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Stephen Sank >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 >> >> >> How much do you think you can get for a used wife? >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jan 28 23:48:53 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:48:53 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C52@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Emmett, I have a copy of the manual on my pc, the pages are one file each eg. page one = pageone.jpg. How much can you receive on e-mail at one time? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: emmett [mailto:emmett at sprint.ca] Sent: Tuesday, 29 January 2002 9:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 i need a photocopied manual for a zx-9 does anyone have one i would for it thanks emmett -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, January 27, 2002 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 >The only way I can see the ZX-9's tape handling problems as a capstan issue >is if there is such an extreme amount of wear that the right shaft has worn >significantly & more so than the left. Or if some idiot has taken sandpaper >to the shafts in an extreme way. Otherwise, assuming a reasonably correct >belt, I'd think it to be a back tension brake issue on the supply reel. >As for the TA75558, it is simply a Toshiba-made 4558, with no alterations, >so by all means change it to OP275. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salim Marzuki" >To: >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 5:44 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > >> >> Hi Stephen and all, >> >> While still on the same subject line ... finally got my own "super-tuned >edition" deck (not wife), yes ! Since it doesn't come with any SF-10 (and >with dead orange caps everywhere), i got it for much lesser amount than peak >ebay price. Hey, it doesn't even have a padlifter ! :-( >> >> Despite the v.g.c. cosmetics, calibration is not working yet ... but what >bugs me most is that left / supply capstan rotated too fast and made the >tape lose contact with head. I put in new belt, cleaned the rollers and >still too fast. Maybe head is also misshaped a bit due to long lost >padlifter, but it's now installed and head already aligned 'manually' using >external test tone. Could this be electronic problem such as supply reel >speed adjustment ? >> >> I temporarily wrap the supply flywheel using cellophane tape, increasing >the diameter to slow down the rotation and it works. Any hint or clue to >source of this problem is much appreciated ... >> >> Best regards, >> Salim SM >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Stephen Sank >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 2:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 >> >> >> How much do you think you can get for a used wife? >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 28 23:58:46 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:58:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Message-ID: <20020128225846.79098.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> I have one I can photocopy or you. Send me your address off Naktalk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Tue Jan 29 00:00:14 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:00:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: Message-ID: <001201c1a84f$8bf11580$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> so, I suppose any jokes referring to NAD and lawyers at the bottom of the sea would be off limits then???? erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Thnak you, Erie and Stephen. Unfortunately, my pal is a lawyer and I'll need > something more solid to throw at him -:). Now seriously, I'd really > appreciate feedback from someone with first-hand experience, just out of > curiosity - which won't prevent me from jerking my pal's chain at every > opportunity I get -:). > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jan 29 00:15:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:15:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: <001201c1a84f$8bf11580$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> Message-ID: <003001c1a851$b419eda0$708e883e@a4s1s2> Nope! Cheer me up - I'm having difficulties with the "new" PCM-2500 DAT and need to get a smile back on my face! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of erie patsellis Sent: 28 January 2002 11:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality so, I suppose any jokes referring to NAD and lawyers at the bottom of the sea would be off limits then???? erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Thnak you, Erie and Stephen. Unfortunately, my pal is a lawyer and I'll need > something more solid to throw at him -:). Now seriously, I'd really > appreciate feedback from someone with first-hand experience, just out of > curiosity - which won't prevent me from jerking my pal's chain at every > opportunity I get -:). > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 00:51:06 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:51:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players In-Reply-To: <3C55CD52.ED51F05F@concentric.net> Message-ID: what about the dvd 37..the entry level elite model? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Stephen Sank wrote: > > I haven't opened any Pioneer DVD players except for a new DVD-434 lowend > piece, but I can say that it at least was not dual laser. If you mean, DV-434 (not DVD-434), then indeed, it utilizes what Pioneer calls 'Twin Wave' laser, that incorporates two separate laser diodes. IIRC, they use a 650nm laser diode for playing DVDs and a 780nm diode for playing CDs, Video CDs and CD-Rs. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jan 29 01:04:40 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 19:04:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: Message-ID: <3C55E718.45A3F5CE@concentric.net> The DV-37 is considered a very nice machine. It was favorably reviewed in the Dec. 2001 issue of Stereophile Guide to Home Theater. I understand it incorporates the Twin Wave laser, as do all Pioneer DVD players. -- Ron Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > what about the dvd 37..the entry level elite model? > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I haven't opened any Pioneer DVD players except for a new DVD-434 lowend > > piece, but I can say that it at least was not dual laser. > > If you mean, DV-434 (not DVD-434), then indeed, it > utilizes what Pioneer calls 'Twin Wave' laser, that > incorporates two separate laser diodes. IIRC, they > use a 650nm laser diode for playing DVDs and a 780nm > diode for playing CDs, Video CDs and CD-Rs. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Jan 29 01:29:54 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:29:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players In-Reply-To: Message-ID: we have a pioneer dvc 302 three disc model and it plays all of our CDR's. Is about two years old now with no problems but no a lot of use, though. The neighbour also bought one and he has had no problems with it. We wish to retire these in favour of a single disc progressive scan model soon, though. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players what about the dvd 37..the entry level elite model? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players Stephen Sank wrote: > > I haven't opened any Pioneer DVD players except for a new DVD-434 lowend > piece, but I can say that it at least was not dual laser. If you mean, DV-434 (not DVD-434), then indeed, it utilizes what Pioneer calls 'Twin Wave' laser, that incorporates two separate laser diodes. IIRC, they use a 650nm laser diode for playing DVDs and a 780nm diode for playing CDs, Video CDs and CD-Rs. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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We wish > to retire these in favour of a single disc progressive scan model soon, > though. > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > > what about the dvd 37..the entry level elite model? > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 2:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I haven't opened any Pioneer DVD players except for a new DVD-434 lowend > > piece, but I can say that it at least was not dual laser. > > If you mean, DV-434 (not DVD-434), then indeed, it > utilizes what Pioneer calls 'Twin Wave' laser, that > incorporates two separate laser diodes. IIRC, they > use a 650nm laser diode for playing DVDs and a 780nm > diode for playing CDs, Video CDs and CD-Rs. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 29 02:48:17 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:48:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players References: <025601c1a784$cd4a3a00$1a3442cf@sank1> <3C54BEDC.E05F7C77@snet.net> <3C556668.36ECB1A2@concentric.net> <004d01c1a813$217a6940$61289bca@smarzuki> <3C55869E.4EF61557@concentric.net> <034e01c1a833$800cb740$1a3442cf@sank1> <3C55CD52.ED51F05F@concentric.net> Message-ID: <003101c1a867$06935020$363442cf@sank1> Well, they sure as heck ain't using two optical assemblies, as Sony does, cause there's just one lens in that thing. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Reasonable DVD players > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I haven't opened any Pioneer DVD players except for a new DVD-434 lowend > > piece, but I can say that it at least was not dual laser. > > If you mean, DV-434 (not DVD-434), then indeed, it > utilizes what Pioneer calls 'Twin Wave' laser, that > incorporates two separate laser diodes. IIRC, they > use a 650nm laser diode for playing DVDs and a 780nm > diode for playing CDs, Video CDs and CD-Rs. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 29 02:55:43 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:55:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> Message-ID: <006201c1a868$10265fa0$363442cf@sank1> What? You mean you've never had a Carver unit blow up in your face? Lucky. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > of course. That one I did not like. > > tim > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > failed. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > erie patsellis > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > erie > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Tue Jan 29 03:38:12 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:38:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: <006201c1a868$10265fa0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C55C4C4.7194.F977B8@localhost> No more than I've had Denons, Yamahas, or even McIntoshes blow up in my face, and I can't say that they're necessarily any easier to repair when it happens. There is something to be said for the days of brute force power supplies and simple amp designs; they were a lot more predictable on the workbench. tim On 28 Jan 2002 at 18:55, Stephen Sank wrote: What? You mean you've never had a Carver unit blow up in your face? Lucky. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > of course. That one I did not like. > > tim > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > failed. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > erie patsellis > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > erie > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tim Barrett timbarrett at cox.rr.com Fairfax, VA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jan 29 06:14:49 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:14:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> Message-ID: <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the lowball price bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one that works then keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control issues and seems very happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement item (that hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear that you might start asking them questions!). Ed timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > of course. That one I did not like. > > tim > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > failed. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > erie patsellis > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > erie > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 29 06:41:28 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:41:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Password for naks.com/pub/manuals: THANKS SALIM AND JOEL!! Message-ID: Thank you very much gentlemen, for your assistance. Joe, I got in first time. Walter!! Give a shot! Cheers all, Marc >>> joelll at genericdomain.net 01/28/02 09:54PM >>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Marc Hugo wrote: > Would anyone be able to assist with the login protocol for the service > manuals section at naktalk. (username/password) Hello, The correct URL is http://support.naks.com/support Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which are as follows: username: naktalk password: limited I just tested logging in right now, and it gives the index for the available manuals. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jan 29 06:41:28 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:41:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Password for naks.com/pub/manuals: THANKS SALIM AND JOEL!! Message-ID: Thank you very much gentlemen, for your assistance. Joe, I got in first time. Walter!! Give a shot! Cheers all, Marc >>> joelll at genericdomain.net 01/28/02 09:54PM >>> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Marc Hugo wrote: > Would anyone be able to assist with the login protocol for the service > manuals section at naktalk. (username/password) Hello, The correct URL is http://support.naks.com/support Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which are as follows: username: naktalk password: limited I just tested logging in right now, and it gives the index for the available manuals. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jan 29 02:20:10 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:20:10 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C55F8CA.7E764C32@yahoo.com> Stay away from nad It's a nightmare. Ed Noyes wrote: > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the lowball price > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one that works then > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control issues and seems very > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement item (that > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear that you might > start asking them questions!). > > Ed > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > tim > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > > failed. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > erie patsellis > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > erie > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 29 07:42:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:42:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C55F8CA.7E764C32@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01a301c1a890$1634ca80$363442cf@sank1> Most flammable audio products of all time, top 2 items: Carver M400 "cube" amp NAD 7240PE receiver (every salesman I knew said the "PE" stood for "purchase extinguisher") Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Stay away from nad > It's a nightmare. > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the lowball price > > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one that works then > > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control issues and seems very > > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement item (that > > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear that you might > > start asking them questions!). > > > > Ed > > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > > > tim > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > erie patsellis > > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > erie > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Tue Jan 29 11:13:52 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (suedbahntom at gmx.net) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:52 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals Message-ID: <17409.1012299232@www41.gmx.net> I'm searching for owners manuals, zx-7 and the lx-5. question: does anybody know what the various nakamichi's model-name (e.g. zxl, zx or lx) means?. thanks and b.r., Tom. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Tue Jan 29 13:56:06 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:56:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals In-Reply-To: <17409.1012299232@www41.gmx.net> Message-ID: <3C565596.226.18A593@localhost> On the subject of service manuals... I have a service manual for the 481 three-head deck; I didn't see one of those in the service manual section of naktalk. I can scan it in as a .pdf and supply it to you if you'd like it. Who should I deal with, or how should I get it onto the naktalk site? regards, tim On 29 Jan 2002 at 11:13, suedbahntom at gmx.net wrote: From: suedbahntom at gmx.net Date sent: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:52 +0100 (MET) To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > I'm searching for owners manuals, zx-7 and the lx-5. > question: does anybody know what the various nakamichi's model-name (e.g. > zxl, zx or lx) means?. > thanks and b.r., Tom. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Jan 29 15:50:24 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:50:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> Message-ID: <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> An important determinant of reliability, in addition to manufacturing QC, is the basic design. When the design does not allow for proper safety margins, the product will fail, regardless of build quality. For example, the minimal safety margin for resistor wattage is 100% (never dissipate more than 1/2W in a 1W resistor). It's amazing how many designs violate this simple rule -- and for no reason, since resistors are so cheap. Even a higher safety margin is required for power transistors (power and heat dissipation); a very common failing is inadequate cooling (understandable, since Management always demands from Engineering lower cost and a smaller chassis). For a couple of years I served as a Qualification Manager. I can tell you that even the best intentioned Engineering can (and does) fall into the trap of inadequate design (which is one reason why a Qualification department is necessary in the first place). Where product cost is the driving factor, under design is all but guaranteed. An experienced technician will be able to tell you whether a product is going to be reliable by just looking under the hood and moving a hand around while the product is running. Much better is a product MTBF test (assuming one was conducted and that the results are available outside the company). Recommendation by a consumer that owned a single sample and happened to have no problems with it, is meaningless. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the lowball price > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one that works then > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control issues and seems very > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement item (that > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear that you might > start asking them questions!). > > Ed > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > tim > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > To: > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > > failed. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > erie patsellis > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > erie ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 6:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals > I'm searching for owners manuals, zx-7 and the lx-5. > question: does anybody know what the various nakamichi's model-name (e.g. > zxl, zx or lx) means?. > thanks and b.r., Tom. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 29 19:34:47 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:34:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals References: <3C565596.226.18A593@localhost> Message-ID: <01fc01c1a8f3$a3ac9380$363442cf@sank1> Normally, you would just email it to Wouter, the host of this list & website. But, he seems to be away somewhere for quite a while. If you would like to do the pdf & email it to me, I can make it available from my ftp space until Wouter comes back. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals > On the subject of service manuals... I have a service manual for the 481 > three-head deck; I didn't see one of those in the service manual section of > naktalk. I can scan it in as a .pdf and supply it to you if you'd like it. Who > should I deal with, or how should I get it onto the naktalk site? > > regards, > tim > > On 29 Jan 2002 at 11:13, suedbahntom at gmx.net wrote: > > From: suedbahntom at gmx.net > Date sent: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:13:52 +0100 (MET) > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] lx-5 zx-7 owners manuals > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > I'm searching for owners manuals, zx-7 and the lx-5. > > question: does anybody know what the various nakamichi's model-name (e.g. > > zxl, zx or lx) means?. > > thanks and b.r., Tom. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jan 29 19:39:07 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:39:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> Message-ID: <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> Very well said, Ron. As a case in point, NAD's trademark is inadequate output device heatsinking & under-rated parts. Coincidentally, this is also Bob Carver's trademark. Even the Sunfire("Catchfire" would be much more apt) amps have zero heatsinking other than the cabinet shell, just as in the M400 cube. And not a single above-minimum-quality part in sight. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > An important determinant of reliability, in addition > to manufacturing QC, is the basic design. When the > design does not allow for proper safety margins, the > product will fail, regardless of build quality. For > example, the minimal safety margin for resistor wattage > is 100% (never dissipate more than 1/2W in a 1W resistor). > It's amazing how many designs violate this simple rule > -- and for no reason, since resistors are so cheap. Even > a higher safety margin is required for power transistors > (power and heat dissipation); a very common failing is > inadequate cooling (understandable, since Management > always demands from Engineering lower cost and a smaller > chassis). > > For a couple of years I served as a Qualification Manager. > I can tell you that even the best intentioned Engineering > can (and does) fall into the trap of inadequate design > (which is one reason why a Qualification department is > necessary in the first place). Where product cost is the > driving factor, under design is all but guaranteed. > > An experienced technician will be able to tell you whether > a product is going to be reliable by just looking under > the hood and moving a hand around while the product is > running. Much better is a product MTBF test (assuming > one was conducted and that the results are available > outside the company). Recommendation by a consumer that > owned a single sample and happened to have no problems > with it, is meaningless. > > -- Ron > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the lowball price > > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one that works then > > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control issues and seems very > > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement item (that > > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear that you might > > start asking them questions!). > > > > Ed > > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a previous > > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold and > > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their incredible > > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones that > > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, different units > > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, with > > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board houses > > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, the > > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the 'Cube', > > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > > > tim > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > To: > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer stereo > > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty nice; > > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for what I > > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it has never > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > erie patsellis > > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > erie > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Jan 29 20:29:46 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:29:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> Message-ID: Hello... I would like to mention that not everything NAD has made is terrible. It's fun to bash any manufacturer, but I must also say that I'm really quite satisfied with my NAD 3020 integrated amplifier. Yes, its parts aren't super-deluxe, but this twenty-year-old amplifier is what drives a pair of Genesis Physics 10 (very similar to Epicure 100) speakers in my bedroom. It gets at least one power-cycle a day, because I usually listen to a CD every night before sleep (in another vintage component, a Denon DCD-1520 CD player). Because it's in my bedroom, I don't play it anywhere near its rated 20 watts per channel (35wpc peak). I bought it for US$50 three years ago at an electronics swapmeet at MIT, and it still has its MIT-Lincoln Labs asset tag and deactivation sticker. Considering the battered condition of the case and faceplate, it probably lived a hard life as a laboratory component for a very long time. It still has all of its little square buttons, which do occasionally pop off too easily (a common complaint with the 3020). For the money spent, it puts out excellent sound. Very clear and detailed for an amp in its class, never fatiguing in the least (important for when one has the flu and is spending the whole day in bed trying to get better). joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca Tue Jan 29 20:48:57 2002 From: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:48:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: References: <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C568C29.8316.82DD24@localhost> Hi everyone, It is so great to have stirred up so much NAD flak so unwittingly! :> I too have owned several various NAD components over the years. The best has been a NAD 3020, same as Joel's. Mine also has been trouble free and fantastic since the day I bought it so many years ago. I have also had a NAD 5240 CD player since the early/middle 90's - great sound and super reliability. A NAD 3150 integrated amp I had was constantly crapping out one way or another - not super reliable at all! I sold it rather quickly. I had a NAD Monitor series 3-head deck for a while - not bad actually, certainly never gave any reliability problems. It was weird looking and not as good sounding as my ZX-9 or LX-5 so I eventually sold it. My most recent NAD purchase was the T550 DVD player - a great sounding CD player and a decent DVD machine. Reliability so far unknown since it's pretty new still. All in all NAD has been OK for me - all of this gear bought used, none of it too problematic except for the accursed 3150 amplifier. Of course no single person's experience with a product and certainly a product line can count for much at all in terms of understanding its' reliability. Lucky me so far I guess! best regards to all Nakkers, Aaron ___________________________________________________________ Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Wed Jan 30 00:41:11 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:41:11 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1883 Message-ID: <180.2d9192b.29888d17@aol.com> In a message dated 1/29/02 9:44:59 AM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: Tigersauraus it's a smoker too << Most flammable audio products of all time, top 2 items: Carver M400 "cube" amp NAD 7240PE receiver (every salesman I knew said the "PE" stood for "purchase extinguisher") >> "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Jan 30 00:50:32 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:50:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: <3C568C29.8316.82DD24@localhost> Message-ID: The NAD 3020 was what made NAD's reputation originally and was pretty much lauded by all reviewers for its ability to drive even the notorious Infinity 4.5 speakers to decent levels. Having said that my impression it has been all downhill since that model. Something about resting on one's collective laurels, perhaps. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Bohnen Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Hi everyone, It is so great to have stirred up so much NAD flak so unwittingly! :> I too have owned several various NAD components over the years. The best has been a NAD 3020, same as Joel's. Mine also has been trouble free and fantastic since the day I bought it so many years ago. I have also had a NAD 5240 CD player since the early/middle 90's - great sound and super reliability. A NAD 3150 integrated amp I had was constantly crapping out one way or another - not super reliable at all! I sold it rather quickly. I had a NAD Monitor series 3-head deck for a while - not bad actually, certainly never gave any reliability problems. It was weird looking and not as good sounding as my ZX-9 or LX-5 so I eventually sold it. My most recent NAD purchase was the T550 DVD player - a great sounding CD player and a decent DVD machine. Reliability so far unknown since it's pretty new still. All in all NAD has been OK for me - all of this gear bought used, none of it too problematic except for the accursed 3150 amplifier. Of course no single person's experience with a product and certainly a product line can count for much at all in terms of understanding its' reliability. Lucky me so far I guess! best regards to all Nakkers, Aaron ___________________________________________________________ Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I thought it would fit right in. . . ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:04:58 +1100 From: Nathan Cochrane To: declan at well.com Subject: Re: FC: Japanese firms mull patent challenge to cheap Chinese DVD players Having used (and reviewed) just about every DVD player on the Australian market, I'd say the reason why the Chinese are winning the marketing game is because their DVD players are just better than the Japanese units. The Apex is a marvel of technology, plays just about every 5.25-inch silver disc format ever created and is eminently hackable. The Japanese players have fewer features that people want, are overpriced, and most importantly, are crippled by the oligopolistic film industry's insane region coding format. If the Japs want to get back in the race, compete in the market and produce quality products for a good price that people want. And get rid of region coding. Declan McCullagh wrote: > [My Arabic-language computer here couldn't handle the URL, so I had to > use lynx and more. Short excerpt: "January 22, 2002 (TOKYO) -- Some > domestic companies are apparently considering filing lawsuits against > Chinese firms selling DVD players without paying patent licensing fees > on technology developed in Japan. Japanese manufacturers of DVD players > have seen sales deteriorate, particularly in the United States, as a > result of competition from low-priced Chinese machines. In the summer of > 2001, Sony Corp. had to surrender its top position in the U.S. market > for DVD players, where it once held about 40 percent, to a Chinese maker > offering the APEX brand." --Declan] Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jan 30 03:01:48 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:01:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: Message-ID: <024301c1a932$1487fd40$363442cf@sank1> I tend to believe that the reasonable reliability of the 3020 NAD was an accident. It was, of course, extremely cheaply built, and did once in a while blow up. The sound reputation, though, was a result of what I believe was deliberate frequency contouring. It, and the 1020 preamp, are the farthest things I've ever seen from flat response amplification. Top end rolloff, midbass emphasis, upper mid depression, all seemingly tailored to give a false impression of "tube like warmth". I haven't bothered response curving any later NAD amps/preamps, but I would not be surprised if they were still guilty of this practice. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > The NAD 3020 was what made NAD's reputation originally and was pretty much > lauded by all reviewers for its ability to drive even the notorious Infinity > 4.5 speakers to decent levels. Having said that my impression it has been > all downhill since that model. Something about resting on one's collective > laurels, perhaps. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Aaron Bohnen > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:49 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > Hi everyone, > > It is so great to have stirred up so much NAD flak so unwittingly! :> I > too have owned several various NAD components over the years. > > The best has been a NAD 3020, same as Joel's. Mine also has been trouble > free and fantastic since the day I bought it so many years ago. > > I have also had a NAD 5240 CD player since the early/middle 90's - great > sound and super reliability. > > A NAD 3150 integrated amp I had was constantly crapping out one way or > another - not super reliable at all! I sold it rather quickly. > > I had a NAD Monitor series 3-head deck for a while - not bad actually, > certainly never gave any reliability problems. It was weird looking and > not as good sounding as my ZX-9 or LX-5 so I eventually sold it. > > My most recent NAD purchase was the T550 DVD player - a great sounding CD > player and a decent DVD machine. Reliability so far unknown since it's > pretty new still. > > All in all NAD has been OK for me - all of this gear bought used, none of > it too problematic except for the accursed 3150 amplifier. > > Of course no single person's experience with a product and certainly a > product line can count for much at all in terms of understanding its' > reliability. Lucky me so far I guess! > > best regards to all Nakkers, > > Aaron > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 30 05:43:13 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:43:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C55F8CA.7E764C32@yahoo.com> <01a301c1a890$1634ca80$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C5779DB.FAB4B57A@snet.net> Let's not forget the most infamous "Flame" Linear 400 amp. Neat thing with them is that they tended to to breath fire from your woofers at just about the exact moment that the big puff of smoke came from the back of the amp... need to keep a couple of fire extinguishers ready. Also in the same league would be the Dyna 120 amp. I had one once with a post-it note on the top that read "fire came out right here" with an arrow pointing to the burned area! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Most flammable audio products of all time, top 2 items: > Carver M400 "cube" amp > NAD 7240PE receiver (every salesman I knew said the "PE" stood for "purchase > extinguisher") > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > Stay away from nad > > It's a nightmare. > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the > lowball price > > > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one > that works then > > > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control > issues and seems very > > > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement > item (that > > > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear > that you might > > > start asking them questions!). > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a > previous > > > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold > and > > > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their > incredible > > > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones > that > > > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, > different units > > > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, > with > > > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board > houses > > > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, > the > > > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the > 'Cube', > > > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer > stereo > > > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty > nice; > > > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for > what I > > > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it > has never > > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > erie patsellis > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > erie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jan 30 05:56:55 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:56:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: Message-ID: <3C577D11.8BEDFE73@snet.net> After presenting the ugly facts about NAD I will also add that I have owned a lot of their pieces at one time or another. I also still have a 3020 amp that runs great to this day. The construction inside is ridiculous with wire bundles going everywhere and point to point soldered circuit patch components all over the place, but it still manages to sound very good and runs pretty cool too. I've had other PE series stuff that ran fine, but I was always concerned by the dark brown scalding of the PC board from the continual heat that amplifier driver section components were delivering. Other thing with those PE amps was that when an output goes it takes pretty much everything behind it out as well. Ed Joel Herda wrote: > Hello... > > I would like to mention that not everything NAD has made is terrible. > It's fun to bash any manufacturer, but I must also say that I'm really > quite satisfied with my NAD 3020 integrated amplifier. > > Yes, its parts aren't super-deluxe, but this twenty-year-old amplifier is > what drives a pair of Genesis Physics 10 (very similar to Epicure 100) > speakers in my bedroom. It gets at least one power-cycle a day, because I > usually listen to a CD every night before sleep (in another vintage > component, a Denon DCD-1520 CD player). Because it's in my bedroom, I > don't play it anywhere near its rated 20 watts per channel (35wpc peak). > > I bought it for US$50 three years ago at an electronics swapmeet at MIT, > and it still has its MIT-Lincoln Labs asset tag and deactivation sticker. > Considering the battered condition of the case and faceplate, it probably > lived a hard life as a laboratory component for a very long time. It > still has all of its little square buttons, which do occasionally pop off > too easily (a common complaint with the 3020). > > For the money spent, it puts out excellent sound. Very clear and detailed > for an amp in its class, never fatiguing in the least (important for when > one has the flu and is spending the whole day in bed trying to get > better). > > joel > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Also in the same league would be the Dyna 120 amp. I had one once with a post-it note on the top that read "fire came out right here" with an arrow pointing to the burned area! Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > Most flammable audio products of all time, top 2 items: > Carver M400 "cube" amp > NAD 7240PE receiver (every salesman I knew said the "PE" stood for "purchase > extinguisher") > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > Stay away from nad > > It's a nightmare. > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the > lowball price > > > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one > that works then > > > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control > issues and seems very > > > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement > item (that > > > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear > that you might > > > start asking them questions!). > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a > previous > > > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold > and > > > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their > incredible > > > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones > that > > > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, > different units > > > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, > with > > > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board > houses > > > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, > the > > > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the > 'Cube', > > > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer > stereo > > > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty > nice; > > > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for > what I > > > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it > has never > > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > erie patsellis > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > erie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Jan 30 06:27:07 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:27:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD quality References: <3C56FA5B.10482.AF34CA@localhost> Message-ID: <005001c1a94e$c26f45a0$3dee3fd0@oemcomputer> The apex do it all model was trashed in Sound and Vision this month the noise is higher on sacd than regular cd and the dvd A wasn't much better. think about this sound and vision who usually like everything actually had an opinion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: [naktalk] DVD quality > I took this from another mailing list I am on. I thought it would fit right in. . . > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:04:58 +1100 > From: Nathan Cochrane > To: declan at well.com > Subject: Re: FC: Japanese firms mull patent challenge to cheap Chinese DVD > players > > Having used (and reviewed) just about every DVD player on the Australian > market, I'd say the reason why the Chinese are winning the marketing game > is because their DVD players are just better than the Japanese units. > > The Apex is a marvel of technology, plays just about every 5.25-inch > silver disc format ever created and is eminently hackable. The Japanese > players have fewer features that people want, are overpriced, and most > importantly, are crippled by the oligopolistic film industry's insane > region coding format. > > If the Japs want to get back in the race, compete in the market and > produce quality products for a good price that people want. > > And get rid of region coding. > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > [My Arabic-language computer here couldn't handle the URL, so I had to > > use lynx and more. Short excerpt: "January 22, 2002 (TOKYO) -- Some > > domestic companies are apparently considering filing lawsuits against > > Chinese firms selling DVD players without paying patent licensing fees > > on technology developed in Japan. Japanese manufacturers of DVD players > > have seen sales deteriorate, particularly in the United States, as a > > result of competition from low-priced Chinese machines. In the summer of > > 2001, Sony Corp. had to surrender its top position in the U.S. market > > for DVD players, where it once held about 40 percent, to a Chinese maker > > offering the APEX brand." --Declan] > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jan 30 07:19:24 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:19:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C55F8CA.7E764C32@yahoo.com> <01a301c1a890$1634ca80$363442cf@sank1> <3C5779DB.FAB4B57A@snet.net> Message-ID: <028101c1a956$10d8a680$363442cf@sank1> The Flame Linear was, of course, a Carver product. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > Let's not forget the most infamous "Flame" Linear 400 amp. Neat thing with them is > that they tended to to breath fire from your woofers at just about the exact moment > that the big puff of smoke came from the back of the amp... need to keep a couple of > fire extinguishers ready. Also in the same league would be the Dyna 120 amp. I had one > once with a post-it note on the top that read "fire came out right here" with an arrow > pointing to the burned area! > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Most flammable audio products of all time, top 2 items: > > Carver M400 "cube" amp > > NAD 7240PE receiver (every salesman I knew said the "PE" stood for "purchase > > extinguisher") > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:20 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > Stay away from nad > > > It's a nightmare. > > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > > > Again, NAD outsourced to 23 different factories... all of which were the > > lowball price > > > > bidders! The result is wildly varying final quality. If you've got one > > that works then > > > > keep it! Interestingly, NAD is well aware of their quality control > > issues and seems very > > > > happy to take care of the person with a dud by issuing a replacement > > item (that > > > > hopefully works), typically with no questions asked (probably for fear > > that you might > > > > start asking them questions!). > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'd like to weigh in with an observation about NAD, having spent a > > previous > > > > > lifetime (the 80's) in the consumer electronics repair biz. We sold > > and > > > > > serviced NAD for while and I was extremely impressed with their > > incredible > > > > > inconsistency of build quality. Being in service, I only saw the ones > > that > > > > > broke; but of the ones that broke, here is what I observed: > > > > > > > > > > The primary offense that I saw was very poor soldering and cleaning, > > > > > followed by budget components which barely met minimum requirements, > > > > > followed by budget circuit designs which may or may not work well. > > > > > > > > > > Something that I noticed was that even within the same model, > > different units > > > > > showed wildly differing build quality and different PC board makers, > > with > > > > > differing components. It seems they contracted with different board > > houses > > > > > and builders. I got the distinct impression that NAD was simply a > > > > > subcontracting group who never actually handled any hardware, but just > > > > > handled contracts and shipping receipts. > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand the comment about Carver. Like his designs or not, > > the > > > > > equipment that I saw was reasonably well built. Well, except for the > > 'Cube', > > > > > of course. That one I did not like. > > > > > > > > > > tim > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Jan 2002 at 11:42, Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:42:29 -0800 > > > > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > > > I have an old NAD preamp/tuner combo I still use for my computer > > stereo > > > > > > system in conjunction with a Bryston 2b amplifier. It sounds pretty > > nice; > > > > > > not as nice as the McIntosh C22 but pretty nice. It is a keeper for > > what I > > > > > > paid for it used and I've had it for close to ten years now and it > > has never > > > > > > failed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > > > > > erie patsellis > > > > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 8:47 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Having been a NAD dealer in a previous life, I can > > > > > > say that at one time, they made high quality products, > > > > > > but the last 5-8 years seems to be absolute junk. the > > > > > > silver series MAY be different, however given their > > > > > > track record, I'd be very surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > erie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I discovered a Nakamichi T-100 on German eBay: http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1327983599&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1012750101&indexURL=0&rd=1 If anybody is interessted I can assist in buying and delivering Regards from Germany Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Die schönsten Ski-Regionen der Alpen - jetzt bei Ferienklick.de http://ferienklick.de/ski/?PP=2-5-100-105-38 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erik at elctech.com Wed Jan 30 09:18:40 2002 From: erik at elctech.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 00:18:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations Message-ID: Hi, I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and other not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few times). I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very high-end before I heard your opinions. There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to upgrade to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to using lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to sound quality? Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jan 30 09:50:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:50:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: Message-ID: <02b501c1a96b$21c5f1e0$363442cf@sank1> Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series was really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the time, and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up the unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that those were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 or earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. The head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & inferior part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this is unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are not in general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I don't recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. You really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've heard the older ones, as in the CR series & older. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Lotspeich" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > Hi, > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and other > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few times). > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very high-end > before I heard your opinions. > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to upgrade > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to using > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to sound > quality? > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jan 30 22:08:23 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:08:23 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality In-Reply-To: <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001801c1a9d2$4086ffe0$e19c87d9@a4s1s2> Holy Moses! The pair of you have AGREED on something!!!! <<>> (Only joshing, guys! ;oD ) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 29 January 2002 06:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Very well said, Ron. As a case in point, NAD's trademark is inadequate output device heatsinking & under-rated parts. Coincidentally, this is also Bob Carver's trademark. Even the Sunfire("Catchfire" would be much more apt) amps have zero heatsinking other than the cabinet shell, just as in the M400 cube. And not a single above-minimum-quality part in sight. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > An important determinant of reliability, in addition > to manufacturing QC, is the basic design. When the > design does not allow for proper safety margins, the > product will fail, regardless of build quality. For > example, the minimal safety margin for resistor wattage > is 100% (never dissipate more than 1/2W in a 1W resistor). > It's amazing how many designs violate this simple rule > -- and for no reason, since resistors are so cheap. Even > a higher safety margin is required for power transistors > (power and heat dissipation); a very common failing is > inadequate cooling (understandable, since Management > always demands from Engineering lower cost and a smaller > chassis). > > For a couple of years I served as a Qualification Manager. > I can tell you that even the best intentioned Engineering > can (and does) fall into the trap of inadequate design > (which is one reason why a Qualification department is > necessary in the first place). Where product cost is the > driving factor, under design is all but guaranteed. > > An experienced technician will be able to tell you whether > a product is going to be reliable by just looking under > the hood and moving a hand around while the product is > running. Much better is a product MTBF test (assuming > one was conducted and that the results are available > outside the company). Recommendation by a consumer that > owned a single sample and happened to have no problems > with it, is meaningless. > > -- Ron > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.317 / Virus Database: 176 - Release Date: 21/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Jan 30 23:03:15 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:03:15 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 Message-ID: Excuse my ignorance, but what do you use a T-100 for? Is it for some sort of analysis of cassette deck performance? Thanks. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Jan 31 00:47:05 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:47:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations In-Reply-To: <02b501c1a96b$21c5f1e0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem corrects itself. So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? Thanks, Erik. On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series was > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the time, > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up the > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that those > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 or > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. The > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & inferior > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this is > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are not in > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I don't > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. You > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've heard > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > Hi, > > > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and other > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few times). > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very high-end > > before I heard your opinions. > > > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to upgrade > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to using > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to sound > > quality? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Erik. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer ELC Technologies 1532 State Street Suite C Santa Barbara, CA 93101 elotspeich at elctech.com (805) 884.8300 phn (805) 884.8339 fax http://www.elctech.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) only. 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With a T-100, a simple digital meter, and oscilloscope & some tools, I can walk into any studio or etc. & work on just about any piece of audio gear. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi T-100 > > Excuse my ignorance, but what do you use a T-100 for? Is it for some sort of > analysis of cassette deck performance? Thanks. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Jan 31 01:19:31 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:19:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DVD quality Message-ID: <20020130.192011.-1031035.4.josephj69@juno.com> I read that review. They didn't exactly trash it, but there were problems with SACD and DVD-A performance. I wouldn't buy an Apex anything hoping to get state of the art performance, but it would be nice to have an all-in-one unit for convenience sake. I wouldn't exactly take anything printed in Sound & Vision (or any other mag) too seriously. Yes, it is rare they give a bad review, but when they do there is usually a reaon for it. As opposed to Sony and Pioneer, I would guess Apex has very in the way of a "promotions" department. It's easy to trash an oddball manufacturer when you're not going to piss off anyone important. Perhaps they thought was FINALLY time to give something a bad review and this was the scapegoat. The same thing happened to the small Japanese high end manufacturers in the 80s: Micro Seiki, SAEC, Namiki, etc. No PR department in the US led to totally unjustified weak reviews. - Joe > The apex do it all model was trashed in Sound and Vision > this month the noise is higher on sacd than regular cd and the dvd > A > wasn't much better. > think about this sound and vision who usually like everything > actually had an opinion. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:39 PM > Subject: [naktalk] DVD quality > > > > I took this from another mailing list I am on. I thought it would > fit > right in. . . > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:04:58 +1100 > > From: Nathan Cochrane > > To: declan at well.com > > Subject: Re: FC: Japanese firms mull patent challenge to cheap > Chinese DVD > > players > > > > Having used (and reviewed) just about every DVD player on the > Australian > > market, I'd say the reason why the Chinese are winning the > marketing game > > is because their DVD players are just better than the Japanese > units. > > > > The Apex is a marvel of technology, plays just about every > 5.25-inch > > silver disc format ever created and is eminently hackable. The > Japanese > > players have fewer features that people want, are overpriced, and > most > > importantly, are crippled by the oligopolistic film industry's > insane > > region coding format. > > > > If the Japs want to get back in the race, compete in the market > and > > produce quality products for a good price that people want. > > > > And get rid of region coding. > > > > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > > > [My Arabic-language computer here couldn't handle the URL, so I > had to > > > use lynx and more. Short excerpt: "January 22, 2002 (TOKYO) -- > Some > > > domestic companies are apparently considering filing lawsuits > against > > > Chinese firms selling DVD players without paying patent > licensing fees > > > on technology developed in Japan. Japanese manufacturers of DVD > players > > > have seen sales deteriorate, particularly in the United States, > as a > > > result of competition from low-priced Chinese machines. In the > summer of > > > 2001, Sony Corp. had to surrender its top position in the U.S. > market > > > for DVD players, where it once held about 40 percent, to a > Chinese maker > > > offering the APEX brand." --Declan] > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Jan 31 02:11:57 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:11:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Quality anything ... In-Reply-To: <20020130.192011.-1031035.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Seems we all would like to be able to buy quality things at reasonable prices - whether these be tapes, cassettes, DVD players, etc. It appears to me that now more often than ever, most of the things on the market are built with cost cutting in mind. This is why, very frequently, when it comes to utility items, DVD player, cassette player, receiver, I look at things that can work relatively well for a while, and then, when they break, I wouldn't cry after them. My 7 year old SONY Hi-8 camcorder just broke down. Considering you can buy a new one for $299 I didn't bother getting this one fixed - it takes $100 to have it looked at, plus parts, etc., and then, you never know what will happen next. When the time came to buying a second DVD player, I didn't think long, and bought an APEX. Actually, I like the picture more than the 4 year old SONY I used to have, and it plays MP3s , and PAL discs on an NTSC TV. And it was $105 shipped to my door from New York to Chicago ... So SOUND and VISION didn't like it, well, I know that even if I spent $500 more I wouldn't get something significantly better (for sure nothing capable of playing PAL on NTSC.) I think if you look at mid-level receivers, SONY ES, JVC, Technics, Denon - they will all do the job. They will all sound relatively well - none of them will sound great. If you want great sound, then need to go to components, and then, you have to pay the price. Having travelled lately, I can say that "same" products made for different markets are different. For example, SEIKO watches in the US, have Japanese movement and are made somewhere else in the orient. And you can tell it by touching it. I looked at some SEIKO's at Heathrow in London, and they were more expensive but had Made In Japan and a better feel to them. I actually bought a CASIO G-Shock for my Son, again, Made In Japan. Cars on the other hand, the American version are typically better made. They start with more options as standard equipment. It seems that in Japan you can still find good stereo equipment. There are models available there which you can't see in the US. Why? Because there is market for them there. Let's be honest, if suddenly Nakamichi started making CR7's again, and charging $1,850 a piece - how many people would actually go and buy them ? .... I think it is all supply and demand. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jan 31 03:07:18 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:07:18 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Quality anything ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A McIntosh receiver for about 500 seems a good deal for something with adequate sound, reliability, and will retain most of its initial used cost...here is one for sale: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?miscrcvr&1017537806 A pair of Linn Kans is a nice sounding speaker...also for sale here: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?spkrmoni&1017423130 If you want to spend more money spendor sells a lovely pair of small speakers..think the model is 3/5..for about a grand. They go used for 600/offer; two pair are pending sale on audiogon. If you want something new all in one I think Linn sells a CD/int amp combo; good stuff but it is moderately expensive. Have fun Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Quality anything ... Seems we all would like to be able to buy quality things at reasonable prices - whether these be tapes, cassettes, DVD players, etc. It appears to me that now more often than ever, most of the things on the market are built with cost cutting in mind. This is why, very frequently, when it comes to utility items, DVD player, cassette player, receiver, I look at things that can work relatively well for a while, and then, when they break, I wouldn't cry after them. My 7 year old SONY Hi-8 camcorder just broke down. Considering you can buy a new one for $299 I didn't bother getting this one fixed - it takes $100 to have it looked at, plus parts, etc., and then, you never know what will happen next. When the time came to buying a second DVD player, I didn't think long, and bought an APEX. Actually, I like the picture more than the 4 year old SONY I used to have, and it plays MP3s , and PAL discs on an NTSC TV. And it was $105 shipped to my door from New York to Chicago ... So SOUND and VISION didn't like it, well, I know that even if I spent $500 more I wouldn't get something significantly better (for sure nothing capable of playing PAL on NTSC.) I think if you look at mid-level receivers, SONY ES, JVC, Technics, Denon - they will all do the job. They will all sound relatively well - none of them will sound great. If you want great sound, then need to go to components, and then, you have to pay the price. Having travelled lately, I can say that "same" products made for different markets are different. For example, SEIKO watches in the US, have Japanese movement and are made somewhere else in the orient. And you can tell it by touching it. I looked at some SEIKO's at Heathrow in London, and they were more expensive but had Made In Japan and a better feel to them. I actually bought a CASIO G-Shock for my Son, again, Made In Japan. Cars on the other hand, the American version are typically better made. They start with more options as standard equipment. It seems that in Japan you can still find good stereo equipment. There are models available there which you can't see in the US. Why? Because there is market for them there. Let's be honest, if suddenly Nakamichi started making CR7's again, and charging $1,850 a piece - how many people would actually go and buy them ? .... I think it is all supply and demand. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Jan 31 05:20:02 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:20:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your own LP's Message-ID: For those of you who long to create your own vinyl recordings...enjoy! -Sam >From TechTV's website (www.techtv.com) - From this year's NAMM. "I wish I had a spare $15,000 so I could own this home vinyl cutter. It makes LPs from any audio source by carving our grooves in vinyl blanks. And it takes such skill to operate the VXR2000, one is required to fly to Chicago to take a lesson!" http://www.vestax.com.au/products/vrx2000.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 31 03:58:28 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:58:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Quality anything ... References: Message-ID: <006701c1aa03$2904f8a0$85f63fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Quality anything ... > > It seems that in Japan you can still find good stereo equipment. There are > models available there which you can't see in the US. Why? Because there is > market for them there. Let's be honest, if suddenly Nakamichi started making > CR7's again, and charging $1,850 a piece - how many people would actually go > and buy them ? .... Sony has some amazing domestic market stuff as do most of the japanese makes try surfing through the **.jp websites. I'm not sure why some of this stuff doesn't make it to the US and Europe Denon have tried in the past with their cd transport and dac as have Luxman. But I have a feeling it would destroy Sony's US image if anyone saw what they were truly capable of making My two cents Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 31 06:36:13 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 00:36:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your own LP's References: Message-ID: <00b501c1aa19$329f75a0$85f63fd0@oemcomputer> The US price seems to be around 10,000 but for some reason I thought the street price was going to be lower around 5 grand. If the 15000 is in OZ dollars thats about 8 grand US it looks like fun but beware the frequency response is lousy even by 78rpm standards : 60Hz to 12KHz Vestax is a neat company though in addition to dj turntables they make guitars as well check out the really nice D'angelico 2 guitars at http://www.dangelicoguitars.com/ and check out this wild non audiophile turntable http://www.vestax.com.au/products/pvt-e2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Make your own LP's > For those of you who long to create your own vinyl recordings...enjoy! > > -Sam > > From TechTV's website (www.techtv.com) - From this year's NAMM. > > "I wish I had a spare $15,000 so I could own this home vinyl cutter. It makes > LPs from any audio source by carving our grooves in vinyl blanks. And it > takes such skill to operate the VXR2000, one is required to fly to Chicago to > take a lesson!" > > http://www.vestax.com.au/products/vrx2000.htm > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Jan 31 07:54:32 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 08:54:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Quality anything ... Message-ID: You make some very good points Stan. Cost cutting is the name of the game thesedays, where small margins can mean the difference between success or failure. People are very easy to seduce with "packaging' - i.e. appearance, good merchandising, aggressive pricing, effort free delivery and a host of marketing orineted things that will be long forgotten after a year of ownership, even unhappy ownership. By the way, I'd buy 2 new CR-7 decks at list price in a second. I know at least three other people who would be very compelled to do likewise, one of which would probably beat me to it. Nakamichi are cretins for not cottoning on to this as they are in most other areas of their endeavors thesedays. Cheers, Marc >>> stan.targowski at attbi.com 01/31/02 03:11AM >>> Seems we all would like to be able to buy quality things at reasonable prices - whether these be tapes, cassettes, DVD players, etc. It appears to me that now more often than ever, most of the things on the market are built with cost cutting in mind. This is why, very frequently, when it comes to utility items, DVD player, cassette player, receiver, I look at things that can work relatively well for a while, and then, when they break, I wouldn't cry after them. My 7 year old SONY Hi-8 camcorder just broke down. Considering you can buy a new one for $299 I didn't bother getting this one fixed - it takes $100 to have it looked at, plus parts, etc., and then, you never know what will happen next. When the time came to buying a second DVD player, I didn't think long, and bought an APEX. Actually, I like the picture more than the 4 year old SONY I used to have, and it plays MP3s , and PAL discs on an NTSC TV. And it was $105 shipped to my door from New York to Chicago ... So SOUND and VISION didn't like it, well, I know that even if I spent $500 more I wouldn't get something significantly better (for sure nothing capable of playing PAL on NTSC.) I think if you look at mid-level receivers, SONY ES, JVC, Technics, Denon - they will all do the job. They will all sound relatively well - none of them will sound great. If you want great sound, then need to go to components, and then, you have to pay the price. Having travelled lately, I can say that "same" products made for different markets are different. For example, SEIKO watches in the US, have Japanese movement and are made somewhere else in the orient. And you can tell it by touching it. I looked at some SEIKO's at Heathrow in London, and they were more expensive but had Made In Japan and a better feel to them. I actually bought a CASIO G-Shock for my Son, again, Made In Japan. Cars on the other hand, the American version are typically better made. They start with more options as standard equipment. It seems that in Japan you can still find good stereo equipment. There are models available there which you can't see in the US. Why? Because there is market for them there. Let's be honest, if suddenly Nakamichi started making CR7's again, and charging $1,850 a piece - how many people would actually go and buy them ? .... I think it is all supply and demand. Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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There are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Lotspeich" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > Stephen, > > I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner > doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve > that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > corrects itself. > > So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series was > > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the time, > > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex > > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up the > > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that those > > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 or > > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. The > > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & inferior > > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this is > > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are not in > > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I don't > > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. You > > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've heard > > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and other > > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few times). > > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very high-end > > > before I heard your opinions. > > > > > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer > > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me > > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to upgrade > > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > > > > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to using > > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to sound > > > quality? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Erik. > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > -- > Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > ELC Technologies > 1532 State Street Suite C > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > elotspeich at elctech.com > > (805) 884.8300 phn > (805) 884.8339 fax > > http://www.elctech.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Jan 31 23:31:21 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:31:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Separate Remote Module. Message-ID: <001f01c1aaa7$027e0c40$0400a8c0@c994264g> I was reviewing the manual for the Nak DR-10. There is a mention of a 'System Remote Output "Tape 2" terminal'. Would that be an outboard remote module that could be wireless? Just curious, if it can only be controlled from a Nak pre or receiver. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-10.txt ************************************************************************ From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Oct 1 06:44:49 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 00:44:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac V900X question Message-ID: <3D03F644.65DED015.026D48C1@netscape.net> I do not know, Tom. Probably Autocal is somehow miscalibrated or you use the wrong sequence. Try to find the manual at some "manual" sites. Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 1 19:10:35 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:10:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... References: <002601c2679a$2705a0e0$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> <3D970056.6E91DCAB@rcn.com> <3D97546D.4090709@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D97BD45.E656579C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002b01c2696d$78e599e0$9a1f2ac4@CopyTech> I don't agree, but as you mentioned , that is "purely personal preference". Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 1 20:16:03 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:16:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: <004001c26976$9dd27cb0$381f2ac4@CopyTech> Dear fellow members participating in the Marathon Tape: Where ever the tape is, stop and send it back to me. No more recording, no more waiting. It's October already and I don't have the slightest idea where the tape is. Somebody received it but didn't passed it over. I just received the tapes from Tom (Australia), Nick (Moscow) and Salim (Indonesia). Sorry to end the party but we just sold the duplication plant and I'm planning different things for the future. I want to finish with this tape saga before leaving. Thanks to all of you ! Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Tue Oct 1 21:38:39 2002 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:38:39 -0600 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: I believe this Marathon Tape (U.S.A. only) was suppose to get to me in the month of September. Well it never did. But hey ol' buddy Carlos, I'll take a copy of the Marathon Tape! Thanks. >From: "El Magnifico" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE >Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:16:03 -0500 > >Dear fellow members participating in the Marathon Tape: > >Where ever the tape is, stop and send it back to me. No more recording, no >more waiting. It's October already and I don't have the slightest idea >where the tape is. Somebody received it but didn't passed it over. I just >received the tapes from Tom (Australia), Nick (Moscow) and Salim >(Indonesia). > >Sorry to end the party but we just sold the duplication plant and I'm >planning different things for the future. I want to finish with this tape >saga before leaving. > >Thanks to all of you ! > >Carlos _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Oct 1 23:58:13 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:58:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update References: <200210011832.UAA22125@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <002501c26995$b599e300$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> I posted about a month ago regarding a CR-7A I had purchased arriving in less the perfect operating condition in a small box with minimal packing materials... Well, a month later, the damage claim process continues. I don't have the deck or my money. The place that "packed" the deck has the deck and is dragging their feet filling out the paperwork that UPS needs to finish the claim process. UPS has approved the claim, but won't cut a check until the shipper sends the paperwork back... The good news is that the seller told me that his intentions are to give me the tape deck (assuming UPS doesn't claim it as theirs) along with the claim money, minus enough to cover shipping the deck to me again. He said that all UPS needs is proof that the deck would normally sell for around $600 on ebay, which will be easy to show. We'll see... If this happens, I'll probably get this deck repaired and sell off my CR-3A and my Onkyo Integra TA-2600. (Keeping my fingers crossed) In the meantime, I found another CR-7A in better condition (near mint cosmetic condition) and the original box elsewhere. A price was agreed to and the deck was shipped to me. Took it out of the box and found a service record - it had been sent to Champlain Valley Speaker Company back in 1999 and had the gear update done - he hadn't told me this when we were working out a price, so this is a nice bonus. It also included the CR-7A/CR-5A product brochure, the remote, the original manual, warranty card, and Nakamichi recording order form. The serial number is A130 09726 - am I correct in believing that this is old enough to need the circuit board modification (can't remember off hand exactly what it is)? The service invoice only seems to mention the gear upgrade and a general lubrication/cleaning, etc. Stephen - if you're reading this, would you have records on this sort of thing that far back (1999)? I can provide you with the invoice number if it would help. So far, I like this deck a lot better than my CR-3A so far :). Interesting data point: The damaged CR-7A did not have vent holes in the top. The new (to me) CR-7A does have vent holes in the top. I know there's been some discussion about this on the list. I don't remember the serial number of the other CR-7A, but do remember it being a lot lower than my "new" one. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Oct 2 00:08:37 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 22:08:37 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: Carlos, I am wondering if it would be possible for those of us who did not paticipate directly in recording the marathon tapes to acquire a copy of the complete version after you have finished compiling/duplicating it? Would be very much appreciated............ > >Dear fellow members participating in the Marathon Tape: > >Where ever the tape is, stop and send it back to me. No more recording, no >more waiting. It's October already and I don't have the slightest idea >where the tape is. Somebody received it but didn't passed it over. I just >received the tapes from Tom (Australia), Nick (Moscow) and Salim >(Indonesia). > >Sorry to end the party but we just sold the duplication plant and I'm >planning different things for the future. I want to finish with this tape >saga before leaving. > >Thanks to all of you ! > >Carlos _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 2 00:21:54 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:21:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CA6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's some good news, at last some light at the end of the tunnel. I guess the waiting of the check is the hardest part. Good luck Geoffrey. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: greynolds at newsguy.com [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 7:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update I posted about a month ago regarding a CR-7A I had purchased arriving in less the perfect operating condition in a small box with minimal packing materials... Well, a month later, the damage claim process continues. I don't have the deck or my money. The place that "packed" the deck has the deck and is dragging their feet filling out the paperwork that UPS needs to finish the claim process. UPS has approved the claim, but won't cut a check until the shipper sends the paperwork back... The good news is that the seller told me that his intentions are to give me the tape deck (assuming UPS doesn't claim it as theirs) along with the claim money, minus enough to cover shipping the deck to me again. He said that all UPS needs is proof that the deck would normally sell for around $600 on ebay, which will be easy to show. We'll see... If this happens, I'll probably get this deck repaired and sell off my CR-3A and my Onkyo Integra TA-2600. (Keeping my fingers crossed) In the meantime, I found another CR-7A in better condition (near mint cosmetic condition) and the original box elsewhere. A price was agreed to and the deck was shipped to me. Took it out of the box and found a service record - it had been sent to Champlain Valley Speaker Company back in 1999 and had the gear update done - he hadn't told me this when we were working out a price, so this is a nice bonus. It also included the CR-7A/CR-5A product brochure, the remote, the original manual, warranty card, and Nakamichi recording order form. The serial number is A130 09726 - am I correct in believing that this is old enough to need the circuit board modification (can't remember off hand exactly what it is)? The service invoice only seems to mention the gear upgrade and a general lubrication/cleaning, etc. Stephen - if you're reading this, would you have records on this sort of thing that far back (1999)? I can provide you with the invoice number if it would help. So far, I like this deck a lot better than my CR-3A so far :). Interesting data point: The damaged CR-7A did not have vent holes in the top. The new (to me) CR-7A does have vent holes in the top. I know there's been some discussion about this on the list. I don't remember the serial number of the other CR-7A, but do remember it being a lot lower than my "new" one. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Oct 2 01:08:46 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:08:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk-Digest V2 #2700 (Marathon Tape 1) Message-ID: Last I recollect is that Andy Dundis had successfully recorded, and the M-Tape was on its way to John Smokeovitch. So, where is our M-Tape 1? Nebraska, Connecticut, or somewhere inbetween?? Carlos Guzman is recalling the tape on a revised timeline for mastering and duplication at the TapeMan's studios. Perhaps Carlos can compile M-Tape 1 and 2 together to create a full 90 minutes of diversified music. Carlos, Mr TapeMan, can you perform the compiled mastering and duplicates? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html So, whomever has M-Tape 1 currently, send that directly to Carlos in Puerto Rico. Best thing to do is contact Carlos via email immediately to make arrangements. Carlos' email address is: "El Magnifico" Many thanks to Carlos ahead of time for what ever he is able to do to finish up a Marathon Tape for us!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:32:43 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Tuesday, October 1 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2700 ------------------------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:16:03 -0500 From: "El Magnifico" Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C2694C.B14C3DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear fellow members participating in the Marathon Tape: Where ever the tape is, stop and send it back to me. No more recording, = no more waiting. It's October already and I don't have the slightest = idea where the tape is. Somebody received it but didn't passed it over. = I just received the tapes from Tom (Australia), Nick (Moscow) and Salim = (Indonesia). Sorry to end the party but we just sold the duplication plant and I'm = planning different things for the future. I want to finish with this = tape saga before leaving. Thanks to all of you ! Carlos ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2700 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Oct 2 03:13:51 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:13:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update References: <200210011832.UAA22125@zebra.naks.com> <002501c26995$b599e300$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <011701c269b2$cf58e580$3d3442cf@cta> I'm afraid you're getting your hopes up too much. Despite what the shipper says, UPS will demand to keep the unit if they pay the whole claim amount. You only get to keep the deck if they pay only part of the insured amount, for repairing the damage. And it is at UPS's discretion as to how much is too much, as far as the repair amount claimed. If they decide it's too large a chunk of the whole amount, they will keep the deck & pay the full claim. It seems to me that the "too much" threshold is about sixty percent of the whole. The "new" CR-7A you're buying is already factory-corrected on the record eq issue, and required only the gear mod. The factory-eq-corrected units began at A130-08677. And I don't know when the vent holes changed either. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update > I posted about a month ago regarding a CR-7A I had purchased arriving in > less the perfect operating condition in a small box with minimal packing > materials... Well, a month later, the damage claim process continues. I > don't have the deck or my money. The place that "packed" the deck has the > deck and is dragging their feet filling out the paperwork that UPS needs to > finish the claim process. UPS has approved the claim, but won't cut a check > until the shipper sends the paperwork back... The good news is that the > seller told me that his intentions are to give me the tape deck (assuming > UPS doesn't claim it as theirs) along with the claim money, minus enough to > cover shipping the deck to me again. He said that all UPS needs is proof > that the deck would normally sell for around $600 on ebay, which will be > easy to show. We'll see... If this happens, I'll probably get this deck > repaired and sell off my CR-3A and my Onkyo Integra TA-2600. (Keeping my > fingers crossed) > > In the meantime, I found another CR-7A in better condition (near mint > cosmetic condition) and the original box elsewhere. A price was agreed to > and the deck was shipped to me. Took it out of the box and found a service > record - it had been sent to Champlain Valley Speaker Company back in 1999 > and had the gear update done - he hadn't told me this when we were working > out a price, so this is a nice bonus. It also included the CR-7A/CR-5A > product brochure, the remote, the original manual, warranty card, and > Nakamichi recording order form. The serial number is A130 09726 - am I > correct in believing that this is old enough to need the circuit board > modification (can't remember off hand exactly what it is)? The service > invoice only seems to mention the gear upgrade and a general > lubrication/cleaning, etc. Stephen - if you're reading this, would you have > records on this sort of thing that far back (1999)? I can provide you with > the invoice number if it would help. So far, I like this deck a lot better > than my CR-3A so far :). > > Interesting data point: The damaged CR-7A did not have vent holes in the > top. The new (to me) CR-7A does have vent holes in the top. I know there's > been some discussion about this on the list. I don't remember the serial > number of the other CR-7A, but do remember it being a lot lower than my > "new" one. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 2 06:44:57 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:44:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: Message-ID: <001a01c269ce$7b032ba0$e21f2ac4@CopyTech> Sure, no problem, but I need the tapes here soon ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Carlos, > > I am wondering if it would be possible for those of us who did not > paticipate directly in recording the marathon tapes to acquire a copy of the > complete version after you have finished compiling/duplicating it? Would be > very much appreciated............ > > > > >Dear fellow members participating in the Marathon Tape: > > > >Where ever the tape is, stop and send it back to me. No more recording, no > >more waiting. It's October already and I don't have the slightest idea > >where the tape is. Somebody received it but didn't passed it over. I just > >received the tapes from Tom (Australia), Nick (Moscow) and Salim > >(Indonesia). > > > >Sorry to end the party but we just sold the duplication plant and I'm > >planning different things for the future. I want to finish with this tape > >saga before leaving. > > > >Thanks to all of you ! > > > >Carlos > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Oct 2 10:30:59 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:30:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Studer-revox/OMS 7 Message-ID: <002201c269ee$0c9f61e0$af16fea9@wdrewes> I have been offered a REVOX HZ cd player for approx$330. Being a NAK loyalist to an excessive degree I am allways on the lookout for a OMS 7 NAK cd player.Buying the latter on European eBay (Europe runs 230V like here) with shipping costs and customs duty etc.becomes quite expensive for us here in South Africa.These extra charges do obviously not apply on the HZ which can be hand deliverd to me and there seem to be no OMS 7 on the market here in RSA Well what do you think--wise men? Is that REVOX thing any good? UNfortunately I desposed of my STUDER REVOX brochures not so long ago so I dont know what it is !.(I at the moment use a Marantz PM 84(?) and a Nak CD4 cd player -the japanese type not the CD player 4 which is different) I searched through German eBay for the HZ and allthough the list for revox is considerably longer than the list for nakamichi no item was described as a HZ. Is it too old or studio Quality? It has been described to me as extremely heavy but with the normal flush cold cottage pane push buttons ---the trade mark of studer revox .EXCUSE my ignorance ! REGARDS Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Being a NAK loyalist to an excessive degree I am allways on the lookout for a OMS 7 NAK cd player.Buying the latter on European eBay (Europe runs 230V like here) with shipping costs and customs duty etc.becomes quite expensive for us here in South Africa.These extra charges do obviously not apply on the HZ which can be hand deliverd to me and there seem to be no OMS 7 on the market here in RSA Well what do you think--wise men? Is that REVOX thing any good? UNfortunately I desposed of my STUDER REVOX brochures not so long ago so I dont know what it is !.(I at the moment use a Marantz PM 84(?) and a Nak CD4 cd player -the japanese type not the CD player 4 which is different) I searched through German eBay for the HZ and allthough the list for revox is considerably longer than the list for nakamichi no item was described as a HZ. Is it too old or studio Quality? It has been described to me as extremely heavy but with the normal flush cold cottage pane push buttons ---the trade mark of studer revox .EXCUSE my ignorance ! REGARDS Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 2 15:03:55 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:03:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update References: <200210011832.UAA22125@zebra.naks.com> <002501c26995$b599e300$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <011701c269b2$cf58e580$3d3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D9AEEBB.766AE464@rcn.com> This info is particularly welcome for me. I recently sold a Pioneer DVD player on Audiogon. I packaged the player in the original box (that was in excellent condition, including the Styrofoam inserts) and double boxed with a lots of styrofoam beans. The buyer says the player arrived with the internal inserts squashed and transport completely broken. UPS took the player back for examination. They then approved the claim, but said that it must come from me. I am now waiting for the claim forms. The upshot is that they returned the broken player to the buyer. I had assumed that they will pay the full declared value (it's substantially lower than what I had actually paid for the player). Now, I am not so sure. I will post here when this saga reaches its conclusion. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I'm afraid you're getting your hopes up too much. Despite what the shipper > says, UPS will demand to keep the unit if they pay the whole claim amount. > You only get to keep the deck if they pay only part of the insured amount, > for repairing the damage. And it is at UPS's discretion as to how much is > too much, as far as the repair amount claimed. If they decide it's too > large a chunk of the whole amount, they will keep the deck & pay the full > claim. It seems to me that the "too much" threshold is about sixty percent > of the whole. > The "new" CR-7A you're buying is already factory-corrected on the record eq > issue, and required only the gear mod. The factory-eq-corrected units began > at A130-08677. > And I don't know when the vent holes changed either. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Damaged CR-7A Update > > > I posted about a month ago regarding a CR-7A I had purchased arriving in > > less the perfect operating condition in a small box with minimal packing > > materials... Well, a month later, the damage claim process continues. I > > don't have the deck or my money. The place that "packed" the deck has the > > deck and is dragging their feet filling out the paperwork that UPS needs > to > > finish the claim process. UPS has approved the claim, but won't cut a > check > > until the shipper sends the paperwork back... The good news is that the > > seller told me that his intentions are to give me the tape deck (assuming > > UPS doesn't claim it as theirs) along with the claim money, minus enough > to > > cover shipping the deck to me again. He said that all UPS needs is proof > > that the deck would normally sell for around $600 on ebay, which will be > > easy to show. We'll see... If this happens, I'll probably get this deck > > repaired and sell off my CR-3A and my Onkyo Integra TA-2600. (Keeping my > > fingers crossed) > > > > In the meantime, I found another CR-7A in better condition (near mint > > cosmetic condition) and the original box elsewhere. A price was agreed to > > and the deck was shipped to me. Took it out of the box and found a > service > > record - it had been sent to Champlain Valley Speaker Company back in 1999 > > and had the gear update done - he hadn't told me this when we were working > > out a price, so this is a nice bonus. It also included the CR-7A/CR-5A > > product brochure, the remote, the original manual, warranty card, and > > Nakamichi recording order form. The serial number is A130 09726 - am I > > correct in believing that this is old enough to need the circuit board > > modification (can't remember off hand exactly what it is)? The service > > invoice only seems to mention the gear upgrade and a general > > lubrication/cleaning, etc. Stephen - if you're reading this, would you > have > > records on this sort of thing that far back (1999)? I can provide you > with > > the invoice number if it would help. So far, I like this deck a lot > better > > than my CR-3A so far :). > > > > Interesting data point: The damaged CR-7A did not have vent holes in the > > top. The new (to me) CR-7A does have vent holes in the top. I know > there's > > been some discussion about this on the list. I don't remember the serial > > number of the other CR-7A, but do remember it being a lot lower than my > > "new" one. > > -- > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Oct 2 16:18:49 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:18:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2701 In-Reply-To: <200210020237.EAA24244@zebra.naks.com> References: <200210020237.EAA24244@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:13:51 -0600, "Stephen Sank" wrote: >I'm afraid you're getting your hopes up too much. Despite what the shipper >says, UPS will demand to keep the unit if they pay the whole claim amount. >You only get to keep the deck if they pay only part of the insured amount, >for repairing the damage. And it is at UPS's discretion as to how much is >too much, as far as the repair amount claimed. If they decide it's too >large a chunk of the whole amount, they will keep the deck & pay the full >claim. It seems to me that the "too much" threshold is about sixty percent >of the whole. That's why I said we'll see :). I've heard lots of stories about UPS claims though. I was discussing this with a friend at work over lunch yesterday. He shipped a brand new boom box to a friend several years ago that UPS damaged with a forklift (it was double boxed, and both boxes were punctured, but only dented a speaker grill). UPS payed out full retail and let the other guy keep the unit. I have a hunch their policy varies a bit depending on which rep handles the claim. It would certainly make sense for them to keep the deck if they pay the full amount so they could sell it off as is and recover some of the money. You're right though, that I could end up with some amount of money and the deck, just money, or something else. >The "new" CR-7A you're buying is already factory-corrected on the record eq >issue, and required only the gear mod. The factory-eq-corrected units began >at A130-08677. Thanks for the info. I'll probably be in touch with you to have it serviced once I've had a chance to enjoy it for a while, unless the consensus is that it shouldn't need service unless it's exhibiting a problem. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Oct 2 16:58:16 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 10:58:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update In-Reply-To: <200210021313.PAA26669@zebra.naks.com> References: <200210021313.PAA26669@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 09:03:55 -0400, Ron wrote: >I recently sold a Pioneer DVD player on Audiogon. >I packaged the player in the original box (that was >in excellent condition, including the Styrofoam >inserts) and double boxed with a lots of styrofoam >beans. The buyer says the player arrived with the >internal inserts squashed and transport completely >broken. In your case, it sounds like UPS used your box as a test case for how much weight a package can withstand and parked a truck on top of it :(. In my case, the damaged CR-7A was poorly packed by the shipping center, which makes me wonder why UPS would ever consider approving the claim. I spoke with UPS myself yesterday, and the service rep I spoke with confirmed that the claim has been approved. >UPS took the player back for examination. They then >approved the claim, but said that it must come from >me. I am now waiting for the claim forms. I don't get this part (that the claim has to come from the shipper). Though I understand that you are technically UPS's customer (you took the box there and paid them to ship it), the buyer is REALLY the customer (that's where the money for the shipping comes from) and the one who ultimately needs the money in the end, unless you refund their money and then wait for UPS to issue the claim check to you. >The upshot is that they returned the broken player >to the buyer. I had assumed that they will pay the >full declared value (it's substantially lower than >what I had actually paid for the player). Now, I am >not so sure. I will post here when this saga reaches >its conclusion. Please keep us posted, as this sort of information is very useful (IMHO) to people on a list such as this were used equipment is frequently bought and sold (and consequently shipped). This is my first experience with a shipping claim, and I must say that I wouldn't wish it on most people. What I didn't mention in my other post is that I also called the shipping place that "packed" and shipped the deck. The guy I spoke with (the manager of the place) was an absolute idiot. He told me that since the tape deck is in a sturdy metal box it didn't need much/any padding, so he just put it in the box with some packing peanuts to protect it from getting scratched. He also said that the next box size up was a lot bigger and would have required a lot more packing peanuts (I pointed out to him that he hadn't bothered to fill the smaller box with them anyway). I informed him that it was a piece of electronic equipment (which he acknowledged) and that UPS's policies CLEARLY state that it must be padded with at least 2 inches of padding on all sides. His response was to reiterate his previous statement. Somehow I doubt that he understands the concept of shock absorbers :(. I really wanted one of those phones where you can reach through the line, grab the person on the other end by the neck, and shake vigorously :). If I didn't have a bunch of money tied up, this conversation might have been amusing. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 2 17:03:12 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:03:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] whats the current password and link for the manuals References: <001a01c2618d$e4913600$13945dd5@jannis> <3D8CA431.4010006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001e01c26a24$d3f968e0$3af53fd0@oemcomputer> Thanks Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 2 20:01:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:01:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update References: <200210021313.PAA26669@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D9B347A.A7FEA32D@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > [........] > > >UPS took the player back for examination. They then > >approved the claim, but said that it must come from > >me. I am now waiting for the claim forms. > > I don't get this part (that the claim has to come from the shipper). > Though I understand that you are technically UPS's customer (you took > the box there and paid them to ship it), the buyer is REALLY the > customer (that's where the money for the shipping comes from) and the > one who ultimately needs the money in the end, unless you refund their > money and then wait for UPS to issue the claim check to you. The shipper is UPS's insurance customer, not just technically, but *legally*. He is the one to whom the policy was issued. Also, the recipient is usually the person to originate the claim. By going through the process with him and then asking for paperwork from the shipper, UPS manage to prolog the process and put off the date when they actually cut a check. Of course, this is just my cynical view of UPS and may be entirely wrong... -- Ron > > [.......] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Oct 2 20:20:18 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:20:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update References: <200210021313.PAA26669@zebra.naks.com> <3D9B347A.A7FEA32D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D9B38E2.5067C78F@earthlink.net> No, your view of UPS is anything but cynical. I have given up on them. Most of the manufacturers I represent have too. I use FedEx instead. They treat their freight much more gently and actually pay their claims when they screw up. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > [........] > > > > >UPS took the player back for examination. They then > > >approved the claim, but said that it must come from > > >me. I am now waiting for the claim forms. > > > > I don't get this part (that the claim has to come from the shipper). > > Though I understand that you are technically UPS's customer (you took > > the box there and paid them to ship it), the buyer is REALLY the > > customer (that's where the money for the shipping comes from) and the > > one who ultimately needs the money in the end, unless you refund their > > money and then wait for UPS to issue the claim check to you. > > The shipper is UPS's insurance customer, not just > technically, but *legally*. He is the one to whom > the policy was issued. > > Also, the recipient is usually the person to originate > the claim. By going through the process with him and > then asking for paperwork from the shipper, UPS manage > to prolog the process and put off the date when they > actually cut a check. Of course, this is just my cynical > view of UPS and may be entirely wrong... > > -- Ron > > > > > [.......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed Oct 2 20:47:41 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:47:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update In-Reply-To: <3D9B38E2.5067C78F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000101c26a44$30d7bac0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Also have done the same. UPS completely demolish a cabinet I purchased from a guy in Florida for my Pioneer 909. The cabinet was completely flattened. I did end up getting a check from the seller after UPS finally mailed it to him some three months later. Ended up getting a cabinet maker to make a replica from the destroyed cabinet. Used that insurance dough for that. I too now only use FedEx Ground or FedEx Supersaver for shipments from now on. Have never had a problem since. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update No, your view of UPS is anything but cynical. I have given up on them. Most of the manufacturers I represent have too. I use FedEx instead. They treat their freight much more gently and actually pay their claims when they screw up. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > [........] > > > > >UPS took the player back for examination. They then > > >approved the claim, but said that it must come from > > >me. I am now waiting for the claim forms. > > > > I don't get this part (that the claim has to come from the shipper). > > Though I understand that you are technically UPS's customer (you took > > the box there and paid them to ship it), the buyer is REALLY the > > customer (that's where the money for the shipping comes from) and the > > one who ultimately needs the money in the end, unless you refund their > > money and then wait for UPS to issue the claim check to you. > > The shipper is UPS's insurance customer, not just > technically, but *legally*. He is the one to whom > the policy was issued. > > Also, the recipient is usually the person to originate > the claim. By going through the process with him and > then asking for paperwork from the shipper, UPS manage > to prolog the process and put off the date when they > actually cut a check. Of course, this is just my cynical > view of UPS and may be entirely wrong... > > -- Ron > > > > > [.......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: wme drewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Studer-revox/OMS 7 I have been offered a REVOX HZ cd player for approx$330. Being a NAK loyalist to an excessive degree I am allways on the lookout for a OMS 7 NAK cd player.Buying the latter on European eBay (Europe runs 230V like here) with shipping costs and customs duty etc.becomes quite expensive for us here in South Africa.These extra charges do obviously not apply on the HZ which can be hand deliverd to me and there seem to be no OMS 7 on the market here in RSA Well what do you think--wise men? Is that REVOX thing any good? UNfortunately I desposed of my STUDER REVOX brochures not so long ago so I dont know what it is !.(I at the moment use a Marantz PM 84(?) and a Nak CD4 cd player -the japanese type not the CD player 4 which is different) I searched through German eBay for the HZ and allthough the list for revox is considerably longer than the list for nakamichi no item was described as a HZ. Is it too old or studio Quality? It has been described to me as extremely heavy but with the normal flush cold cottage pane push buttons ---the trade mark of studer revox .EXCUSE my ignorance ! REGARDS Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 3 01:08:34 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:08:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] whats the current password and link for the manuals In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CAE@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: This email is for Stephen Sank re microphone repair. Stephen, I had your email awhile back but my PC crashed and I lost the information. We have two pair of AKG c61 microphone preamplifiers ( early 1940's vintage) with custom battery powered power supplies that we have owned for about ten years now. One of the mics is a little noisy and is down about 2db compared to the other mics. We assume it might be that the tube is old and requires replacement. You said some time back you are familiar with these mics and that you would take a look at them and advise what is required to return them to correct operating spec. Would you be so kind as to let us know if you can still perform this service for us and what the initial consultation fee would be for scoping the mics to determine what they require? We would like to have all four of the microphones put on the bench. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 3:05 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] whats the current password and link for the manuals If nothing has changed it should be.... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Warren [mailto:wtremain at bellsouth.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 1:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] whats the current password and link for the manuals Thanks Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 3 04:34:07 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:34:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Message-ID: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Oct 3 04:27:09 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:27:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000c01c26a84$60294560$cbb606cf@pii366custom> Carlos, Though it might defeat the purpose of the "Marathon Tape", I'm sure each of us who have contributed so far would be able to get a new XL-II tape and re-record what we originally contibuted using the same guidelines as previously set out, much like what those in the eastern hemisphere have done. If the tape has truly disappeared (it shouldn't be hard to figure out where it last was) this might allow us to still bring this friendly project to a sucessful completion. Any thoughts from anyone? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 3 05:48:44 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:48:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> <000c01c26a84$60294560$cbb606cf@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001301c26a8f$c952a760$811f2ac4@CopyTech> Thank you Roland. I'm willing to receive any tapes you may want to send. I'll do my best. A CD is gonna be made with all the contributions. Tapes must be received by October 15. No contribution, no copy. That's it. Again, I want to apologize for my letter and frustration , but, it is not easy when you put all your illusions in one project and suddenly everything fails to work. Perhaps it was way too ambitious. Anyway, the show must go on. PERIOD. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos, Though it might defeat the purpose of the "Marathon Tape", I'm sure each of us who have contributed so far would be able to get a new XL-II tape and re-record what we originally contibuted using the same guidelines as previously set out, much like what those in the eastern hemisphere have done. If the tape has truly disappeared (it shouldn't be hard to figure out where it last was) this might allow us to still bring this friendly project to a sucessful completion. Any thoughts from anyone? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Oct 3 05:42:56 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael DeWire) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:42:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... In-Reply-To: <001301c26a8f$c952a760$811f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: Carlos, I made a copy of the M-1 tape on reel-to-reel at 7.5ips, which was up to the point of my contribution if you desire to have the reel-to-reel master. Or I could copy it over to metal tape on my RX-505 but that would be another generation. Let me know if you need it! Michael E DeWire mdwire at ameritech.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Thank you Roland. I'm willing to receive any tapes you may want to send. I'll do my best. A CD is gonna be made with all the contributions. Tapes must be received by October 15. No contribution, no copy. That's it. Again, I want to apologize for my letter and frustration , but, it is not easy when you put all your illusions in one project and suddenly everything fails to work. Perhaps it was way too ambitious. Anyway, the show must go on. PERIOD. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos, Though it might defeat the purpose of the "Marathon Tape", I'm sure each of us who have contributed so far would be able to get a new XL-II tape and re-record what we originally contibuted using the same guidelines as previously set out, much like what those in the eastern hemisphere have done. If the tape has truly disappeared (it shouldn't be hard to figure out where it last was) this might allow us to still bring this friendly project to a sucessful completion. Any thoughts from anyone? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Oct 3 07:40:19 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:40:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-1 Tape - where are you? In-Reply-To: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: I still hope that this is a mishap, i.e., someone on a business trip/vacation. I hope that we will hear from him soon. Or even, someone who has forgotten.Better late than never. Please ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Wed, October 02, 2002 9:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Importance: High Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Oct 3 10:06:09 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:06:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Studer-revox/OMS 7 References: <002201c269ee$0c9f61e0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <3D9BFA71.6090206@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Walter did you know that you can buy a 230-110V transformer that will enable you to run US equipment on your 230V power supply? In the UK, one of these would cost only UKP15. John Walker wme drewes wrote: > I have been offered a REVOX HZ cd player for approx$330. Being a NAK > loyalist to an excessive degree I am allways on the lookout for a OMS > 7 NAK cd player.Buying the latter on European eBay (Europe runs 230V > like here) with shipping costs and customs duty etc.becomes quite > expensive for us here in South Africa.These extra charges do obviously > not apply on the HZ which can be hand deliverd to me and there seem > to be no OMS 7 on the market here in RSA > Well what do you think--wise men? Is that REVOX thing any good? > UNfortunately I desposed of my STUDER REVOX brochures not so long ago > so I dont know what it is !.(I at the moment use a Marantz PM 84(?) > and a Nak CD4 cd player -the japanese type not the CD player 4 which > is different) > I searched through German eBay for the HZ and allthough the list for > revox is considerably longer than the list for nakamichi no item was > described as a HZ. Is it too old or studio Quality? It has been > described to me as extremely heavy but with the normal flush cold > cottage pane push buttons ---the trade mark of studer revox .EXCUSE my > ignorance ! > REGARDS > Walter Drewes ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Oct 3 13:06:53 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:06:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Studer-revox/OMS 7 References: <002201c269ee$0c9f61e0$af16fea9@wdrewes> <3D9BFA71.6090206@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000801c26acc$fbd973c0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Thanks John.I knoweth ! I can also have them built for me. Neatness however counts! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Studer-revox/OMS 7 > Walter > did you know that you can buy a 230-110V transformer that will enable > you to run US equipment on your 230V power supply? In the UK, one of > these would cost only UKP15. > > John Walker > > wme drewes wrote: > > > I have been offered a REVOX HZ cd player for approx$330. Being a NAK > > loyalist to an excessive degree I am allways on the lookout for a OMS > > 7 NAK cd player.Buying the latter on European eBay (Europe runs 230V > > like here) with shipping costs and customs duty etc.becomes quite > > expensive for us here in South Africa.These extra charges do obviously > > not apply on the HZ which can be hand deliverd to me and there seem > > to be no OMS 7 on the market here in RSA > > Well what do you think--wise men? Is that REVOX thing any good? > > UNfortunately I desposed of my STUDER REVOX brochures not so long ago > > so I dont know what it is !.(I at the moment use a Marantz PM 84(?) > > and a Nak CD4 cd player -the japanese type not the CD player 4 which > > is different) > > I searched through German eBay for the HZ and allthough the list for > > revox is considerably longer than the list for nakamichi no item was > > described as a HZ. Is it too old or studio Quality? It has been > > described to me as extremely heavy but with the normal flush cold > > cottage pane push buttons ---the trade mark of studer revox .EXCUSE my > > ignorance ! > > REGARDS > > Walter Drewes > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Thu Oct 3 13:40:57 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:40:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update In-Reply-To: <3D9B347A.A7FEA32D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D9BF489.18984.35DA06CD@localhost> A few weeks ago, I bought something which was to be sent UPS 3-day whatever. I live in central Florida, about 40 miles from Orlando. I used the UPS tracking system to watch my package make it to Orlando by 6:30 PM on the first day after shipping. Since I know that the UPS truck from Orlando to the Cocoa UPS office leaves around 5AM, I expected delivey the next day, which would have been DAY 2. To my surprise, the package sat in Orlando for about 35 hours. When I asked UPS why they didn't send it, they said it was so I wouldn't get something I wasn't entitled to - early delivery. Rather than surprise and amaze their customer with early delivery, they sat on the package so it wouldn't be delivered! What a company! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 3 14:07:13 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:07:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CB7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Carlos my friend, I hope that the tape shows up soon. I don't think it was sabotage because everyone who volunteered to be on the list was very enthusiastic about the idea. If I can put my two cents worth here, maybe it's stuck in mail somewhere. I've had things that were suppose to be delivered to me at a particular time, only for the item to arrive 3 weeks later not 3 days later. As for the low input to the posting of this group I agree with you there, the well has dried up. So to kick off filling up the ol' well back with water let me ask all of you this. I remember sometime ago that there was mention of Nak Dragons in the gold color, would anyone have a photo of one or has owned one? Was it the supposed to be a similar model like the 1000 ZXL limited/1000 ZXL, in that the gold version was acoustically better? And to really get some responses going...For those who own ZX9's, is there a repeat feature on the unit (like the BX300). This feature on the BX300 will play the tape, and at the end of the tape it will stop, rewind the tape, and play it again. This naktalk list is not dead yet. Keep em' coming guys! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 12:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Importance: High Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 3 15:44:48 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 08:44:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CB7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003c01c26ae3$0e47eb70$ed1f2ac4@CopyTech> Hopefully, that's what I'm still waiting for ... Who knows if the last member is on a sales trip, family crisis or simply passed away ... ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos my friend, I hope that the tape shows up soon. I don't think it was sabotage because everyone who volunteered to be on the list was very enthusiastic about the idea. If I can put my two cents worth here, maybe it's stuck in mail somewhere. I've had things that were suppose to be delivered to me at a particular time, only for the item to arrive 3 weeks later not 3 days later. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From series900 at nhvt.net Thu Oct 3 15:13:02 2002 From: series900 at nhvt.net (Damon Josz) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:13:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> <000c01c26a84$60294560$cbb606cf@pii366custom> <001301c26a8f$c952a760$811f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <016101c26ade$a1691e60$b6c56bd8@m5e0c7> Carlos, send me an address and I will get a tape selection off this weekend. Damon ... still at the back of the bus ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Thank you Roland. I'm willing to receive any tapes you may want to send. I'll do my best. A CD is gonna be made with all the contributions. Tapes must be received by October 15. No contribution, no copy. That's it. Again, I want to apologize for my letter and frustration , but, it is not easy when you put all your illusions in one project and suddenly everything fails to work. Perhaps it was way too ambitious. Anyway, the show must go on. PERIOD. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos, Though it might defeat the purpose of the "Marathon Tape", I'm sure each of us who have contributed so far would be able to get a new XL-II tape and re-record what we originally contibuted using the same guidelines as previously set out, much like what those in the eastern hemisphere have done. If the tape has truly disappeared (it shouldn't be hard to figure out where it last was) this might allow us to still bring this friendly project to a sucessful completion. Any thoughts from anyone? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 3 15:27:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:27:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D9C45C3.DFB58A6C@rcn.com> While I normally tend to be fairly cynical, I refuse to believe that anyone that signed up for this venture can possibly be despicable enough to keep the original tape for himself. There is a real chance that the tape got lost in shipping somewhere along the way. (If the USPS loses 1% of mail and you ship an article 20 times, there is a 1 in 5 chance that it will get lost). I am leaving on a business trip in 3 days and will only be back by the end of October, so won't be able to repeat my contribution. I will understand if this precludes me from receiving a copy of the compilation tape (but will be grateful if it doesn't). Carlos, I sure hope that you will change your mind and remain with this elist, in spite of the OT posts. Except for a very small number, even those are right on the topic of high quality audio reproduction, which, after all, is what Nakamichi is all about. Peace, -- Ron > El Magnifico wrote: > > Dear Nak Fellows: > > It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all > of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. > Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon > Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on > purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that > The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the > smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is > not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer > wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither > reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and > rarely "nak talk". Now this ... > > It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as > it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. > > If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify > yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know > your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack > of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the > tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy > at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have > taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from > Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some > of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful > thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy > of what I have on hand. > > This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the > chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all > honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time > to loose trying to play the detective. > > My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. > > Very ashamed, > > Carlos J. Guzman > PUERTO RICO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 3 16:33:10 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:33:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> <000c01c26a84$60294560$cbb606cf@pii366custom> <001301c26a8f$c952a760$811f2ac4@CopyTech> <016101c26ade$a1691e60$b6c56bd8@m5e0c7> Message-ID: <000f01c26ae9$cfd237e0$5c1f2ac4@CopyTech> Carlos J. Guzman 51 Calle Batey Luquillo, PR 00735 Take care ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Damon Josz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos, send me an address and I will get a tape selection off this weekend. Damon ... still at the back of the bus ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Thank you Roland. I'm willing to receive any tapes you may want to send. I'll do my best. A CD is gonna be made with all the contributions. Tapes must be received by October 15. No contribution, no copy. That's it. Again, I want to apologize for my letter and frustration , but, it is not easy when you put all your illusions in one project and suddenly everything fails to work. Perhaps it was way too ambitious. Anyway, the show must go on. PERIOD. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos, Though it might defeat the purpose of the "Marathon Tape", I'm sure each of us who have contributed so far would be able to get a new XL-II tape and re-record what we originally contibuted using the same guidelines as previously set out, much like what those in the eastern hemisphere have done. If the tape has truly disappeared (it shouldn't be hard to figure out where it last was) this might allow us to still bring this friendly project to a sucessful completion. Any thoughts from anyone? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Oct 3 15:50:52 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:50:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update References: <3D9BF489.18984.35DA06CD@localhost> Message-ID: <3D9C4B3C.BDDF51D3@rcn.com> Two incidents come to mind... A friend was shopping for new tires. The shop only had white sidewall tires. Since he didn't want to pay extra for the 'feature', he started to leave. The shop owner offered to charge for black sidewall tires. When my friend came back to pick up the car, he found they had mounted the tires with the white walls on the inside. The dealer explained that since he didn't pay for white sidewalls, he shouldn't have them. "Guess", said my friend "which business in town will never see me again". Story #2 does have to do with UPS. According to their tracking site, my new DVD player arrived at their depot (not 4 miles from my home) and was put on the truck for delivery very early in the morning. This was on their 'guaranteed' delivery day, not sooner. I made special arrangements to be at home that day. When they didn't arrive by evening, I called UPS and was told that they had until 11:00 at night to deliver, so I sat there, waiting. The following day it finally arrived in the PM. When I asked the delivery guy what had happened and what about their 'guaranteed' delivery time, he laughed in my face. I told him that FedEx is more expensive, but to me, they are worth it -- I will never again be bothering UPS with my business. Sadly, that didn't seem to faze him in the least, he smirked and left. So, if you ask why is UPS worse than other delivery services, the answer is very simple -- THEY DON'T CARE. -- Ron "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > A few weeks ago, I bought something which was to be sent UPS 3-day whatever. I live > in central Florida, about 40 miles from Orlando. I used the UPS tracking system to > watch my package make it to Orlando by 6:30 PM on the first day after shipping. Since I > know that the UPS truck from Orlando to the Cocoa UPS office leaves around 5AM, I > expected delivey the next day, which would have been DAY 2. > > To my surprise, the package sat in Orlando for about 35 hours. When I asked UPS why > they didn't send it, they said it was so I wouldn't get something I wasn't entitled to - early > delivery. > > Rather than surprise and amaze their customer with early delivery, they sat on the > package so it wouldn't be delivered! > > What a company! > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Thu Oct 3 16:38:59 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 10:38:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D9C5683.B66D7978@snip.net> Marathon tape was mailed to Carlos yesterday. John El Magnifico wrote: > Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this > letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk > about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the > Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on > purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The > latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly > chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a > shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many > pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. > Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this > ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as > it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who > ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to > me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other > hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we > surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others > participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how > our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the > tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc > ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express > carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will > all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the > Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, > but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this > list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My > apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very > ashamed, Carlos J. GuzmanPUERTO RICO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 3 18:03:02 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:03:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Message-ID: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> Fellows: It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me yesterday. Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, if I have over 80 minutes of music , I'll then make the final selections according to the material. CD's must be send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the shipping charges. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Oct 3 17:37:03 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:37:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D9C2BDF.30523.E3BF67@localhost> Gentlemen: Although I opted not to participate in the great marathon tape creation, I am interested in receiving a copy of the final product. Is this asking too much? I am willing to contribute in whatever monetary and philosophical form is necessary. Thanks for your consideration- Tim On 3 Oct 2002 at 11:03, El Magnifico wrote: > > Fellows: > > It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me > yesterday. > > Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & > supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, > if I have over 80 minutes of music , I'll then make the final > selections according to the material. > > CD's must be send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the shipping > charges. > > Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 3 19:17:34 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:17:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <3D9C2BDF.30523.E3BF67@localhost> Message-ID: <001701c26b00$c6fda980$871f2ac4@CopyTech> Keep in touch, Tim. We'll let you know ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "El Magnifico" ; Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > Gentlemen: > > Although I opted not to participate in the great marathon tape creation, I am > interested in receiving a copy of the final product. Is this asking too much? I am > willing to contribute in whatever monetary and philosophical form is necessary. > > Thanks for your consideration- > > Tim > > On 3 Oct 2002 at 11:03, El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > Fellows: > > > > It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me > > yesterday. > > > > Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & > > supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, > > if I have over 80 minutes of music , I'll then make the final > > selections according to the material. > > > > CD's must be send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the shipping > > charges. > > > > Carlos > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Thu Oct 3 18:19:51 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:19:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update In-Reply-To: <3D9C4B3C.BDDF51D3@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D9C35E7.12136.36D96094@localhost> What I failed to mention in my previous note, is that I often order things from Newegg, which uses FedEx Saver (3-day) service. I often receive it in 2 days. Once, I even received it the next day, and that is ACROSS COUNTRY! All the while UPS sits on packages to avoid being early! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Thu Oct 3 19:30:15 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 12:30:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape1 Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0D8@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Carlos, Nak'rs recorded my selection & sent it off to John Smokevich sometime ago, now. has anybody heard from him recently??? will need a mailing address for Carlos if we need to re-send contributions. what a bummer! Andy - -----Original Message----- Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 22:48:44 -0500 From: "El Magnifico" Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C26A65.DC6394B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Roland. I'm willing to receive any tapes you may want to send. = I'll do my best. A CD is gonna be made with all the contributions. Tapes = must be received by October 15. No contribution, no copy. That's it. Again, I want to apologize for my letter and frustration , but, it is = not easy when you put all your illusions in one project and suddenly = everything fails to work. Perhaps it was way too ambitious. Anyway, the = show must go on. PERIOD. Carlos ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roland Alford=20 To: naktalk at naks.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] What a shame ... Carlos,=20 Though it might defeat the purpose of the "Marathon Tape", I'm sure = each of us who have contributed so far would be able to get a new XL-II = tape and re-record what we originally contibuted using the same = guidelines as previously set out, much like what those in the eastern = hemisphere have done. =20 If the tape has truly disappeared (it shouldn't be hard to figure out = where it last was) this might allow us to still bring this friendly = project to a sucessful completion. Any thoughts from anyone? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Oct 3 20:40:01 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:40:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update References: <200210031622.SAA01692@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <008001c26b0c$5ad84e20$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:50:52 -0400, Ron wrote: >I told him that FedEx is more expensive, but to me, they >are worth it -- I will never again be bothering UPS with >my business. My experience with FedEx is that FedEx Ground service is cheaper than UPS Ground. The other comparable services to what UPS offers seem to be about the same. The problem is that UPS (and FedEx) doesn't care about you and me. If we decide not to ship stuff through them, it doesn't really matter. If a big company that ships hundreds or thousands of packages a day decides to switch, they care about that. Individuals shipping stuff are probably more of a hassle for them than anything else. I've found that the customer service people at the FedEx counter are consistently more friendly than their counterparts at UPS, for what it's worth. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Oct 3 23:36:48 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:36:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... References: <002d01c26a85$5cb5fb20$db1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002801c26b25$2c721070$f96623c8@g8nsv> Dear Carlos!!!! For tha last 2 months I've been working here in the Venezuelan Amazon and that's the reason you haven't heard about me for a while. I can hardly find a telephone so an internet connection is way out of my reach; just once every 2 weeks I come to a small city where I can check my mails. I am really sorry to hear about The Marathon Tape; I believe we are all grown up people so we know how to behave. Most of us are adults with families and responsabilities so it is ridiculous that the tape "disappeared". Come on whoever has the tape, just send it to The Tape Man so we can enjoy this great projects with our families at home. Take care all of you and hopefully in 2 months I'll be back in civilization..... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 4 00:43:48 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 18:43:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Damaged CR-7A Update References: <3D9C35E7.12136.36D96094@localhost> Message-ID: <3D9CC824.20778994@rcn.com> I second A recommendation of NewEgg, not just because they used FedEx Express Saver (good service at a good price), but also because they shipped quickly and handled problems (on several occasions) to my complete satisfaction. Very good for a deep discount dealer. -- Ron "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > What I failed to mention in my previous note, is that I often order things from Newegg, > which uses FedEx Saver (3-day) service. I often receive it in 2 days. Once, I even > received it the next day, and that is ACROSS COUNTRY! > > All the while UPS sits on packages to avoid being early! > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Oct 4 01:41:30 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:41:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaker rotation Message-ID: <20021003234130.75566.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys Was wondering since most stereo speaker output isn't symmetrical in terms of frequencies or output power over a given time, it seems to me that one speaker might wear faster or perhaps differently from the other. I've been using this as an excuse to rotate my speakers once in awhile (left to right .. right to left). I was wondering though, is there a somewhat valid need for this or is it just part of my deep seated audio problem. I have noticed my headphones wearing differently BTW: Javier __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Oct 4 04:16:35 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 22:16:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00f801c26b4c$10cb2330$38106343@johnnyrotten> Great Carlos! can't wait to hear the CD. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Fellows: It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me yesterday. Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, if I have over 80 minutes of music , I'll then make the final selections according to the material. CD's must be send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the shipping charges. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 4 09:25:32 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:25:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire In-Reply-To: <00f801c26b4c$10cb2330$38106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: To the Collective Brain Trust: We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be biwired. All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable for many years. This speaker wire will help us to continue listening to our lovely Nakamichi 680 cassette deck in the new home. Any leads are appreciated. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Great Carlos! can't wait to hear the CD. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Fellows: It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me yesterday. Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & supplies cost for delivery. 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URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 4 13:12:09 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 07:12:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire References: Message-ID: <02c001c26b96$e225f500$d8f53fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Belden, try belden part number 8417 for a tinned copper 12awg speaker cable its about $220.00 for a 500 foot roll from mouser probably cheaper from your local reseller. other belden part numbers of interest might be 5100Up, a 12awg bare copper version and 1810A which is bare copper 4 conductor 14awg that would allow you to cross connect two leads plus and minus for 10 awg or do an internal biwire. for specs put in the number at www.belden.com Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be biwired. All > told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' would handle > that with safe margin for errors. We don't want stuff that costs a small > fortune; just high quality copper 12ga wire with nice pliable insulation > that will stay nice and pliable for many years. > > This speaker wire will help us to continue listening to our lovely Nakamichi > 680 cassette deck in the new home. Any leads are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > > > Great Carlos! can't wait to hear the CD. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > > > Fellows: > > It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me > yesterday. > > Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & > supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, if I > have over 80 minutes of music , I'll then make the final selections > according to the material. > > CD's must be send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the shipping > charges. > > Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Oct 4 16:06:58 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:06:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire References: Message-ID: <3D9DA082.35B961CD@earthlink.net> Hi Carl, As you may know, I'm a dealer for Analysis Plus cables. They offer four different models of 12 to 16 gauge wire, in bulk lengths up to 200', in prices ranging from $3 - 7.50/ft. Although Analysis Plus feels that materials (copper, silver, gold) do affect performance of cable, it is their patented hollow oval geometry that makes their cable truly special. I'll be out of town until Sunday but feel free to give me a call if you would like more information. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity 415 928-2990 Carl C wrote: > To the Collective Brain Trust:We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker > wire for a home theatre installation. The front three speakers are > Linn and will be biwired. All told we need nine pair/lengths of about > 32'ea; thought 400' would handle that with safe margin for errors. We > don't want stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper > 12ga wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > for many years.This speaker wire will help us to continue listening to > our lovely Nakamichi 680 cassette deck in the new home. Any leads are > appreciated.Thanks,Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > > Great Carlos! can't wait to hear the CD. John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > Fellows: It seems that Jim rescued the tape for > us and send it right to me yesterday. Copies will > be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the > logistics & supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of > 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, if I have over 80 > minutes of music , I'll then make the final > selections according to the material. CD's must be > send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the > shipping charges. Carlos > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 4 17:01:02 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 08:01:02 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire In-Reply-To: <3D9DA082.35B961CD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks, we'll add it to the possibilities list. Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire Hi Carl, As you may know, I'm a dealer for Analysis Plus cables. They offer four different models of 12 to 16 gauge wire, in bulk lengths up to 200', in prices ranging from $3 - 7.50/ft. Although Analysis Plus feels that materials (copper, silver, gold) do affect performance of cable, it is their patented hollow oval geometry that makes their cable truly special. I'll be out of town until Sunday but feel free to give me a call if you would like more information. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity 415 928-2990 Carl C wrote: To the Collective Brain Trust:We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be biwired. All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable for many years.This speaker wire will help us to continue listening to our lovely Nakamichi 680 cassette deck in the new home. Any leads are appreciated.Thanks,Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 7:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Great Carlos! can't wait to hear the CD. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Fellows: It seems that Jim rescued the tape for us and send it right to me yesterday. Copies will be made in CDR's . We have to estimate the logistics & supplies cost for delivery. A CDR of 80 minutes is gonna be made, so, if I have over 80 minutes of music , I'll then make the final selections according to the material. CD's must be send by air mail, so, we have to estimate the shipping charges. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Oct 4 17:34:50 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:34:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ...Tom!! Back to Naks, right!! Message-ID: Right on Ton, This is exactly right - why the majority of the members would be reticent about posting - because they don't want to get that far O/T. But about the Golden Dragon, at risk of sounding a bit too much like a Chinese Restaurant ............ I have a pic for certain, and as far as I remember, a review. It may be from an unfortunately, now, defunct magazine. I'll dig it up and send it to you direct as I think this list does not sopport attachments. From what I recall, the components that would have a direct impact on reproduction in the Limited Edition 1000ZXL were hand selected to conform to very high specific tolerances. The outcome was a machine capable of extreme frequency response, amongst other things. Of course, it was a real looker, and rare due to only 100 being built. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 10/03/02 02:07PM >>> Carlos my friend, I hope that the tape shows up soon. I don't think it was sabotage because everyone who volunteered to be on the list was very enthusiastic about the idea. If I can put my two cents worth here, maybe it's stuck in mail somewhere. I've had things that were suppose to be delivered to me at a particular time, only for the item to arrive 3 weeks later not 3 days later. As for the low input to the posting of this group I agree with you there, the well has dried up. So to kick off filling up the ol' well back with water let me ask all of you this. I remember sometime ago that there was mention of Nak Dragons in the gold color, would anyone have a photo of one or has owned one? Was it the supposed to be a similar model like the 1000 ZXL limited/1000 ZXL, in that the gold version was acoustically better? And to really get some responses going...For those who own ZX9's, is there a repeat feature on the unit (like the BX300). This feature on the BX300 will play the tape, and at the end of the tape it will stop, rewind the tape, and play it again. This naktalk list is not dead yet. Keep em' coming guys! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 12:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Importance: High Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 4 17:51:21 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 11:51:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaker rotation References: <20021003234130.75566.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D9DB8F9.B64EFE39@rcn.com> That's a new one for me... I have owned quite a few high end speakers, for many years. Never have I notices uneven sonic change. What, exactly, do you hear? AFAIK, speakers do not 'wear', they 'break-in' over the first few hours of use (suspension softens), after which they last with no change for a long, long time. (Suspensions made of foam surround eventually deteriorates after 15-25 years.) The effect should be symmetrical with any conceivable type of music. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Hey guys > Was wondering since most stereo speaker output isn't > symmetrical in terms of frequencies or output power > over a given time, it seems to me that one speaker > might wear faster or perhaps differently from the > other. I've been using this as an excuse to rotate > my > speakers once in awhile (left to right .. right to > left). I was wondering though, is there a somewhat > valid need for this or is it just part of my deep > seated audio problem. I have noticed my headphones > wearing differently BTW: > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 4 18:07:25 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 12:07:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire References: Message-ID: <3D9DBCBD.7019BF31@rcn.com> > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > biwired. Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > for many years. I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only obvious difference will be to your wallet. -- Ron > [......] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Oct 4 18:46:54 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaker rotation In-Reply-To: <3D9DB8F9.B64EFE39@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20021004164654.54515.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Well I guess you could say that one speaker can wind up brighter than the other. I look at it this way. Most modern stereo music seems to have a spatial arrangement with percussion or vocals somewhat more prevalent in one channel or the other. I would guess that over the long run one channel might get more vocals or bass or perhaps high frequencies than the other. I'm not sure though but I think it might follow some standard ensemble arrangement. I think jazz bands and classical bands have standard instument placements, maybe rock bands do too. As for the speakers, I've noticed the problem mostly on my headphones where one speaker is definitely louder or perhaps brighter than the other even when they are bridged at the input. Originally I'm fairly certain they matched. With the main speakers I think of it as tire rotation. If there is anything consistent in the signal that could lead to uneven wear the rotating once a year or so should make up for it. (I guess) See Ya Javier --- Ron wrote: > > That's a new one for me... I have owned quite a few > high > end speakers, for many years. Never have I notices > uneven > sonic change. What, exactly, do you hear? > > AFAIK, speakers do not 'wear', they 'break-in' over > the > first few hours of use (suspension softens), after > which > they last with no change for a long, long time. > (Suspensions > made of foam surround eventually deteriorates after > 15-25 > years.) The effect should be symmetrical with any > conceivable type of music. > > -- Ron > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Hey guys > > Was wondering since most stereo speaker output > isn't > > symmetrical in terms of frequencies or output > power > > over a given time, it seems to me that one > speaker > > might wear faster or perhaps differently from the > > other. I've been using this as an excuse to > rotate > > my > > speakers once in awhile (left to right .. right > to > > left). I was wondering though, is there a > somewhat > > valid need for this or is it just part of my deep > > seated audio problem. I have noticed my > headphones > > wearing differently BTW: > > Javier > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Oct 4 20:43:14 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:43:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaker rotation References: <20021003234130.75566.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> <3D9DB8F9.B64EFE39@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003b01c26bd5$e697a860$d8f53fd0@oemcomputer> The only time I have ever heard of speaker rotation has to do with lowther drivers and rotating the actual driver 90 degrees every so often to keep the cone from sagging beyond that you've got me Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 4 21:00:33 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:00:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire In-Reply-To: <3D9DBCBD.7019BF31@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, Russ (the guy we are doing the install for) just bought 1000 ft of Belden 12ga solid copper wire for 260 bux; such a deal! Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > biwired. Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > for many years. I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only obvious difference will be to your wallet. -- Ron > [......] ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 4 21:00:33 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:00:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire In-Reply-To: <3D9DBCBD.7019BF31@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, Thanks for the input. I read Roger Russell's speaker wire test results on his McIntosh website and it only confirmed what I have believed for many years. The only reason I would pay more money for any wire would be for cosmetics (irrelevent in this installation) or better insulation (that will stay nice and pliable over the years of cold winters). According to Mr Russell's testing we should be ok with 30' lengths of 12ga wire for the Linn 4 ohm resistance speakers. Thanks again, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 9:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > biwired. Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > for many years. I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only obvious difference will be to your wallet. -- Ron > [......] ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Fri Oct 4 21:40:56 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:40:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire References: <3D9DBCBD.7019BF31@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001701c26bdd$f5756090$13945dd5@jannis> Ron Can you please explain why biwiring is ineffective? I seem to think (=hear) that my sound improved greatly after I biwired my speakers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > > biwired. > > Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > > > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > > for many years. > > I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics > stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. > You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. > Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. > > Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience > a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. > > OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper > cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. > > Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons > don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only > obvious difference will be to your wallet. > > -- Ron > > > [......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Oct 4 22:19:24 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael DeWire) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:19:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire In-Reply-To: <001701c26bdd$f5756090$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: Wiring, O no, not again on the wire issue. Bi wiring is just another snake oil trick to sell the customer more speaker wire in my opinion, how ever there is an advantage with Bi-amping if done correctly. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jannis Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire Ron Can you please explain why biwiring is ineffective? I seem to think (=hear) that my sound improved greatly after I biwired my speakers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > > biwired. > > Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > > > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > > for many years. > > I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics > stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. > You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. > Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. > > Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience > a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. > > OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper > cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. > > Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons > don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only > obvious difference will be to your wallet. > > -- Ron > > > [......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Oct 4 23:09:21 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:09:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire References: <3D9DBCBD.7019BF31@rcn.com> <001701c26bdd$f5756090$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D9E0381.EB9CBFB0@rcn.com> It's ineffective because it does nothing except force you to buy more wire. The real question is, why do you think it improved your sound (and *greatly*, no less...). BTW, several DB listening tests, conducted rigorously, showed that bi-wiring had no audible effect. I also conducted my own informal, quite unscientific, listening test, where none of the participants could hear any difference whatsoever, including me. Even more conclusive, for me, was a (very tiresome) calculation I did many years ago, trying to quantify the effect of bi-wiring. It turned out that bi-wiring did nothing (zero, nada, NOTHING), except in the narrow xover frequency range, where the effect was not mathematically zero, just negligible. Of course, there are those that believe that electrical engineering (capable of creating all this esoteric equipment they use and love) is incapable of calculating the effect of a piece of wire... Those people (they know who they are) are entirely welcome to bi-wire to their hearts delight, it's a free country. If you feel that bi-wiring improved your sound, by all means, stick with it -- it will do no harm. -- Ron Jannis wrote: > > Ron > > Can you please explain why biwiring is ineffective? > I seem to think (=hear) that my sound improved greatly after I biwired my > speakers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > > > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > > > > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > > > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > > > biwired. > > > > Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > > > > > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > > > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > > > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > > > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > > > for many years. > > > > I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics > > stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. > > You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. > > Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. > > > > Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience > > a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. > > > > OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper > > cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. > > > > Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons > > don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only > > obvious difference will be to your wallet. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > [......] > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 4 23:13:40 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 14:13:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We will be biamping the three speakers using a parsound hca 1206. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael DeWire Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire Wiring, O no, not again on the wire issue. Bi wiring is just another snake oil trick to sell the customer more speaker wire in my opinion, how ever there is an advantage with Bi-amping if done correctly. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jannis Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire Ron Can you please explain why biwiring is ineffective? I seem to think (=hear) that my sound improved greatly after I biwired my speakers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > > biwired. > > Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > > > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > > for many years. > > I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics > stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. > You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. > Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. > > Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience > a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. > > OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper > cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. > > Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons > don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only > obvious difference will be to your wallet. > > -- Ron > > > [......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 5 01:15:32 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 18:15:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> <00f801c26b4c$10cb2330$38106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002401c26bfb$f3bc9160$f01f2ac4@CopyTech> Until now, all I can tell you is that according to the tapes received from the Europe's guys, we have really something here !!!!!!! I was really impressed by the sound of Salim, Nick and Eddy Pollet. As always, Gra' went with a very Folky material from his native land. I didn't understand a word, but it sounds really interesting to me. Johnny, Fred and Dr. Deaf were very precise with their selections too. The SpyroGyra track of Nick from Russia, sounds almost like the original CD I have on hand. I believe Gra' and his neighbor Johnny used a Turntable as source. Eddy and Salim were very careful following the rules and sticked strictly to it. Tom from Australia send us a very strange quartet with Elvis Costello singing. He used a custom loaded cassette with a very good chrome tape in it. I noticed that the ZX-9 is a favorite recording deck among the group. Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim Tom - ZX 9 Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 5 01:00:43 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:00:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <002401c26bfb$f3bc9160$f01f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000301c26bf9$ddfa6ac0$445e87d9@oemcomputer> Heh! Heh! The language you heard, Carlos, is Scottish Gaelic. And the source .... nope, that wasn't a turntable but that pre-production Rega Jupiter 2000 I bought from Terry Bateman, who designed it and (re)built the model that I've got. Several people who've heard it say it sounds more like a turntable than a CD player. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 05 October 2002 00:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Importance: High Until now, all I can tell you is that according to the tapes received from the Europe's guys, we have really something here !!!!!!! I was really impressed by the sound of Salim, Nick and Eddy Pollet. As always, Gra' went with a very Folky material from his native land. I didn't understand a word, but it sounds really interesting to me. Johnny, Fred and Dr. Deaf were very precise with their selections too. The SpyroGyra track of Nick from Russia, sounds almost like the original CD I have on hand. I believe Gra' and his neighbor Johnny used a Turntable as source. Eddy and Salim were very careful following the rules and sticked strictly to it. Tom from Australia send us a very strange quartet with Elvis Costello singing. He used a custom loaded cassette with a very good chrome tape in it. I noticed that the ZX-9 is a favorite recording deck among the group. Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim Tom - ZX 9 Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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URL: From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Oct 5 01:08:43 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 01:08:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maraton tape In-Reply-To: <200210042152.XAA09244@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 23:52:22 +0200 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2713 > > Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for > recording: > > Salim > > Tom - ZX 9 > Eddy - 700TT Source : CD played on Denon DCD 1000 through Soundcraftsman PE2217 preamp and DBX 200 switching unit > > Nick > > Gra' - ZX 9 > > Johnny Walker > > Fred Moss > > Jim Simpson > > Carlos, The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 5 01:25:44 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:25:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? In-Reply-To: <001701c26bdd$f5756090$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: There is a fascinating and quite informative report on speaker wiring that was done by McIntosh Laboratories by the former head engineering guy at McIntosh, Roger Russell. Rather than belabour the wiring point yet again with no resolution I offer this link to those that would like to review it. Purveyors of expensive wire might not much like this report (just as they did not like the 1983 Stereo Review report on wire....). Here it is: http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/wire.htm Please note Mr Russell's comment about people that had said they experienced an audible improvement when moving to "higher quality" wire. Mr Russell attributed it to the fact that often these people were not using an adequate gauge of wire for the length used so the resistance was not correct. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jannis Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 12:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire Ron Can you please explain why biwiring is ineffective? I seem to think (=hear) that my sound improved greatly after I biwired my speakers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > > biwired. > > Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > > > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > > for many years. > > I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics > stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. > You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. > Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. > > Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience > a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. > > OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper > cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. > > Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons > don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only > obvious difference will be to your wallet. > > -- Ron > > > [......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 5 01:55:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 00:55:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c26c01$7feb7660$8c6087d9@oemcomputer> That's interesting, Carl. Have you found any similarly challenging articles concerning interconnects, too? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: 05 October 2002 00:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? > > > There is a fascinating and quite informative report on speaker wiring that > was done by McIntosh Laboratories by the former head engineering guy at > McIntosh, Roger Russell. Rather than belabour the wiring point yet again > with no resolution I offer this link to those that would like to > review it. > Purveyors of expensive wire might not much like this report (just as they > did not like the 1983 Stereo Review report on wire....). > > Here it is: > > http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/wire.htm > > Please note Mr Russell's comment about people that had said they > experienced > an audible improvement when moving to "higher quality" wire. Mr Russell > attributed it to the fact that often these people were not using > an adequate > gauge of wire for the length used so the resistance was not correct. > > Regards, > > Carl > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 5 03:20:39 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:20:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <000301c26bf9$ddfa6ac0$445e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002701c26c0d$6e141620$a71f2ac4@CopyTech> Excellent ! I read Rega and it comes to my memory those affordable crystal plate tables of the 90's. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Heh! Heh! The language you heard, Carlos, is Scottish Gaelic. And the source .... nope, that wasn't a turntable but that pre-production Rega Jupiter 2000 I bought from Terry Bateman, who designed it and (re)built the model that I've got. Several people who've heard it say it sounds more like a turntable than a CD player. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 05 October 2002 00:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Importance: High Until now, all I can tell you is that according to the tapes received from the Europe's guys, we have really something here !!!!!!! I was really impressed by the sound of Salim, Nick and Eddy Pollet. As always, Gra' went with a very Folky material from his native land. I didn't understand a word, but it sounds really interesting to me. Johnny, Fred and Dr. Deaf were very precise with their selections too. The SpyroGyra track of Nick from Russia, sounds almost like the original CD I have on hand. I believe Gra' and his neighbor Johnny used a Turntable as source. Eddy and Salim were very careful following the rules and sticked strictly to it. Tom from Australia send us a very strange quartet with Elvis Costello singing. He used a custom loaded cassette with a very good chrome tape in it. I noticed that the ZX-9 is a favorite recording deck among the group. Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim Tom - ZX 9 Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 5 02:42:45 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:42:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? In-Reply-To: <000701c26c01$7feb7660$8c6087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Graham, Nope, but I've not looked either. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? That's interesting, Carl. Have you found any similarly challenging articles concerning interconnects, too? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: 05 October 2002 00:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? > > > There is a fascinating and quite informative report on speaker wiring that > was done by McIntosh Laboratories by the former head engineering guy at > McIntosh, Roger Russell. Rather than belabour the wiring point yet again > with no resolution I offer this link to those that would like to > review it. > Purveyors of expensive wire might not much like this report (just as they > did not like the 1983 Stereo Review report on wire....). > > Here it is: > > http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/wire.htm > > Please note Mr Russell's comment about people that had said they > experienced > an audible improvement when moving to "higher quality" wire. Mr Russell > attributed it to the fact that often these people were not using > an adequate > gauge of wire for the length used so the resistance was not correct. > > Regards, > > Carl > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Rather than belabour the wiring point yet again > with no resolution I offer this link to those that would like to review it. > Purveyors of expensive wire might not much like this report (just as they > did not like the 1983 Stereo Review report on wire....). > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Sat Oct 5 07:07:40 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 01:07:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Message-ID: <4FF06224.207D8B3E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Carlos, Graham, hello, I mailed this earlier to Blues and forgot to send you a copy. Here are the details of my recording: "Ariana" composed by Jeremy Wall performed by Spyro Gyra taken from JVC Jazz Festival 1995 CD (GRP GR2P-8883) Just for the record Spyro Gyra is: Jay Beckenstein - saxophones Tom Schuman - keyboards Julio Fernandez - guitars Joel Rosenblatt - drums Scott Ambush - bass Additional Musicians: Dave Samuels - vibes, marimba, mallet synthesizer, marching drum Bashiri Johnson - percussion Steve Skinner - drum programming Vaneese Thomas - vocals and the No Sweat Horns: Scott Kreitzer - saxophone, bass clarinet, flute, alto flute Barry Danielian - trumpet, flugelhorn Randy Andos - trombone, bass trombone Original track is taken from "Love and Other Obsessions" CD (GRD-9808). Recorded and mixed by Doug Oberkircher on a Focusrite console at BearTracks Studio, Suffern, NY Equipment used for my recording session are: Recording deck - Nakamichi 700 TriTracer Source - Sony CDP-XA50ES CD player (used as a transport) + Musical Fidelity X-DAC D/A converter (upgraded, with totally reconstructed power supply and analog stage) Digital interconnect - Illuminati D-60 Analog interconnect - AudioQuest Ruby Recording was made with no preamp. With the best wishes, Nick. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have a pic for certain, and as far as I remember, a review. It may be from an unfortunately, now, defunct magazine. I'll dig it up and send it to you direct as I think this list does not sopport attachments. From what I recall, the components that would have a direct impact on reproduction in the Limited Edition 1000ZXL were hand selected to conform to very high specific tolerances. The outcome was a machine capable of extreme frequency response, amongst other things. Of course, it was a real looker, and rare due to only 100 being built. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 10/03/02 02:07PM >>> Carlos my friend, I hope that the tape shows up soon. I don't think it was sabotage because everyone who volunteered to be on the list was very enthusiastic about the idea. If I can put my two cents worth here, maybe it's stuck in mail somewhere. I've had things that were suppose to be delivered to me at a particular time, only for the item to arrive 3 weeks later not 3 days later. As for the low input to the posting of this group I agree with you there, the well has dried up. So to kick off filling up the ol' well back with water let me ask all of you this. I remember sometime ago that there was mention of Nak Dragons in the gold color, would anyone have a photo of one or has owned one? Was it the supposed to be a similar model like the 1000 ZXL limited/1000 ZXL, in that the gold version was acoustically better? And to really get some responses going...For those who own ZX9's, is there a repeat feature on the unit (like the BX300). This feature on the BX300 will play the tape, and at the end of the tape it will stop, rewind the tape, and play it again. This naktalk list is not dead yet. Keep em' coming guys! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 12:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Importance: High Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Oct 5 09:30:31 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:30:31 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CC5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim Tom - ZX 9 - CD player - Sony CDP-X55ES - direct connect using monster cable interconnects. Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Oct 5 09:57:59 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 09:57:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ...Tom!! Back to Naks, right!! Message-ID: Tom, I'm so sorry. I'm more of a cretin than I thought I was. I thought I had pics of a gold plated Dragon, but alas, only the 1000zxl. I dropped a line to Kent Meredith in this vein too. However, if you would like a comprehensive review of the Dragon (circa 83/84) please let me have your address in Aussie, and I'll be delighted to send that to you!! Best regards, Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 10/05/02 09:18AM >>> Thanks Marc for your comments and help. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Saturday, 5 October 2002 1:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] What a shame ...Tom!! Back to Naks, right!! Right on Ton, This is exactly right - why the majority of the members would be reticent about posting - because they don't want to get that far O/T. But about the Golden Dragon, at risk of sounding a bit too much like a Chinese Restaurant ............ I have a pic for certain, and as far as I remember, a review. It may be from an unfortunately, now, defunct magazine. I'll dig it up and send it to you direct as I think this list does not sopport attachments. From what I recall, the components that would have a direct impact on reproduction in the Limited Edition 1000ZXL were hand selected to conform to very high specific tolerances. The outcome was a machine capable of extreme frequency response, amongst other things. Of course, it was a real looker, and rare due to only 100 being built. Marc >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 10/03/02 02:07PM >>> Carlos my friend, I hope that the tape shows up soon. I don't think it was sabotage because everyone who volunteered to be on the list was very enthusiastic about the idea. If I can put my two cents worth here, maybe it's stuck in mail somewhere. I've had things that were suppose to be delivered to me at a particular time, only for the item to arrive 3 weeks later not 3 days later. As for the low input to the posting of this group I agree with you there, the well has dried up. So to kick off filling up the ol' well back with water let me ask all of you this. I remember sometime ago that there was mention of Nak Dragons in the gold color, would anyone have a photo of one or has owned one? Was it the supposed to be a similar model like the 1000 ZXL limited/1000 ZXL, in that the gold version was acoustically better? And to really get some responses going...For those who own ZX9's, is there a repeat feature on the unit (like the BX300). This feature on the BX300 will play the tape, and at the end of the tape it will stop, rewind the tape, and play it again. This naktalk list is not dead yet. Keep em' coming guys! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 12:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What a shame ... Importance: High Dear Nak Fellows: It's a shame that I have been forced to write this letter to all of you, but my frustration is evident and I need to talk about it. Just finished talking with my "compadre" Blues about the Marathon Tape dissapearance, and all we hope is that it wasn't done on purpose. We hope it wasn't a sabotage or something nearlty that The latest person who received it, sat over it, and broke the smoothly chain. It;s simply a shame... Unfortunately, this list is not even a shadow of what is used to be and I'm no longer wondering why so many pilar members are not contributing, neither reading the posts anymore. Many off topics, many ego clashes and rarely "nak talk". Now this ... It is a free country and you can do what ever you want as far as it doesn't affect your "neighbor" or friend. If you have the tape, who ever you are, don't need to identify yourself. Just send the tape to me and I promised nobody will know your identity. If, on the other hand, it was just a matter of lack of time or interest, then, we surely understand. Just pass the tape over and let the others participate so we can all have a copy at the end. It is amazing how our other foreign brothers have taken this saga seriously and the tapes are keep coming from Russia, Australia, Indonesia, London, etc ... All except USA. Some of them paid as high as $15.00 in express carriers. My warmful thanks to all of them. Don't worry guys, you will all have a copy of what I have on hand. This is my last call for the Marathon Tape. We can follow the chain and pin point where it failed, but, I think we are all honest persons here and that nobody in this list have spare time to loose trying to play the detective. My apologies for this message, perhaps, my last one in this list. Very ashamed, Carlos J. Guzman PUERTO RICO Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Oct 5 12:45:28 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:45:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Back on track - Nak Remotes Message-ID: <3D9FC717@mail.totalise.co.uk> Hello guys, I know there has been recent posts about remotes and the wiring of the decks, but i would like to use an rm 580 on my Dragon, i realise that i woud not have the facility for reverse play and that is ok, so if anyone knows the wiring of the remote sockets---how could it be done? Fred Moss Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Oct 5 13:44:05 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 12:44:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> <00f801c26b4c$10cb2330$38106343@johnnyrotten> <002401c26bfb$f3bc9160$f01f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D9ED085.60006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Carlos I recorded on a Nak 700 MkII . Source was indeed vinyl: a Pink Triangle Anniversary deck/SME IV arm/Lyra Lydian Beta cartridge and Michell Iso/Hera MC pre-amp. This vinyl set-up is my pride and joy. It produces the best sound I have heard, and has remained unchanged (other than a cartridge refresh) for nearly 10 years now! I amvery glad to hear that the Marathon tapes are back on track. El Magnifico wrote: > Until now, all I can tell you is that according to the tapes received > from the Europe's guys, we have really something here !!!!!!! > > I was really impressed by the sound of Salim, Nick and Eddy Pollet. As > always, Gra' went with a very Folky material from his native land. I > didn't understand a word, but it sounds really interesting to me. > > Johnny, Fred and Dr. Deaf were very precise with their selections too. > The SpyroGyra track of Nick from Russia, sounds almost like the > original CD I have on hand. I believe Gra' and his neighbor Johnny > used a Turntable as source. > > Eddy and Salim were very careful following the rules and sticked > strictly to it. > > Tom from Australia send us a very strange quartet with Elvis Costello > singing. He used a custom loaded cassette with a very good chrome tape > in it. > > I noticed that the ZX-9 is a favorite recording deck among the group. > > Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used > for recording: > > Salim > > Tom - ZX 9 > > Eddy > > Nick > > Gra' - ZX 9 > > Johnny Walker > > Fred Moss > > Jim Simpson > > *Carlos, The Tape Man* > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Oct 5 14:31:33 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:31:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? References: <000701c26c01$7feb7660$8c6087d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D9EDBA5.6070004@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Thank you for the link to Roger's site which has given me food for thought. The argument given by Roger sounds very rational and hard to contradict. It also tries to be balanced and open minded. As you know, I too try to be open minded on this subject, but sometimes cynicism takes over (like when you read some sales garbage about organic, electron-free eight noughts pure superconducting multi-strand conductors with teflon-lined snakeskin dielectric that will be blessed by the religious leader of your choice prior to despatch, or when your expensive pair of R*ss *ndrews Kables falls to bits because they expect the solder to give mechanical strength rather than a cable support). Oh hum, maybe you were right all along, Ron. (NOOOOOOO!!!!) I can remember circumstances where changing wire HAS made a difference, but the rational scientist in me can recall a plausible explanation in each case - cleaning dirty contacts, or replacing a screwed on plug with a good solder connection, or even just replacing very thin cable with something of adequate diameter,, as Roger describes. So. There is no alternative than to do an experiment for myself. I am going to resort to Ron's double blind testing. I am going to make up some of the switch boxes described on Roger's site, sit myself down and do a comparison. (Updated with an IR remote natch) Then I'm gonna invite some objective people over here, give them a drink, and see what they think. Wish me luck guys, I'm going in..... John Walker Graham Nelson wrote: >That's interesting, Carl. > >Have you found any similarly challenging articles concerning interconnects, >too? > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Carl C >>Sent: 05 October 2002 00:26 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? >> >> >>There is a fascinating and quite informative report on speaker wiring that >>was done by McIntosh Laboratories by the former head engineering guy at >>McIntosh, Roger Russell. Rather than belabour the wiring point yet again >>with no resolution I offer this link to those that would like to >>review it. >>Purveyors of expensive wire might not much like this report (just as they >>did not like the 1983 Stereo Review report on wire....). >> >>Here it is: >> >>http://www.sundial.net/~rogerr/wire.htm >> >>Please note Mr Russell's comment about people that had said they >>experienced >>an audible improvement when moving to "higher quality" wire. Mr Russell >>attributed it to the fact that often these people were not using >>an adequate >>gauge of wire for the length used so the resistance was not correct. >> >>Regards, >> >>Carl >> >> >> >> >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 5 14:53:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 08:53:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire References: Message-ID: <3D9EE0B4.58658E5D@rcn.com> Biamping *will* offer sonic advantage, provided it's done right. By 'done right', I mean, an electronic xover driving the two amps, that, in turn, feed the speaker drivers directly. This requires bringing out actual driver connections, that are normally internal to the speaker enclosure. 'Biamping' (sometimes referred to as 'passive biamping') by simply driving the two sets of speaker inputs is NOT that effective. -- Ron Carl C wrote: > > We will be biamping the three speakers using a parsound hca 1206. > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael DeWire > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 1:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > Wiring, > > O no, not again on the wire issue. Bi wiring is just another snake oil trick > to sell the customer more speaker wire in my opinion, how ever there is an > advantage with Bi-amping if done correctly. > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jannis > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 2:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > Ron > > Can you please explain why biwiring is ineffective? > I seem to think (=hear) that my sound improved greatly after I biwired my > speakers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:07 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire > > > > To the Collective Brain Trust: > > > > > > We need about 400 feet of 12 ga speaker wire for a home theatre > > > installation. The front three speakers are Linn and will be > > > biwired. > > > > Save your money and forgo bi-wiring. It is ineffective. > > > > > All told we need nine pair/lengths of about 32'ea; thought 400' > > > would handle that with safe margin for errors. We don't want > > > stuff that costs a small fortune; just high quality copper 12ga > > > wire with nice pliable insulation that will stay nice and pliable > > > for many years. > > > > I bought speaker wire (low voltage 12AWG OFC) at local electronics > > stores, hardware stores (Home Depot, for one) and general store. > > You can also mail order from MCM Electronics and similar places. > > Prices varied from ~ $0.20/ft. to double that. > > > > Depending on your speakers lowest impedance, you may experience > > a slight improvement (not necessarily audible) by going to 10WAG. > > > > OFC is said to last longer. It has no sonic effect. Most copper > > cables are OFC, including some that neglect to spec it. > > > > Don't bother with esoteric high-end super-duper wire. Electrons > > don't know the difference and neither will your ears. The only > > obvious difference will be to your wallet. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > [......] > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonradoj at 1stebank.com.ph Sat Oct 5 16:36:45 2002 From: mlhonradoj at 1stebank.com.ph (Corporate Communications) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 22:36:45 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping Message-ID: <000e01c26c7c$a129f060$8ffd10ac@mariano> Ron: Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers driving two speakers? Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on the subject? Many thanks. Mariano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 5 16:55:56 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:55:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> <00f801c26b4c$10cb2330$38106343@johnnyrotten> <002401c26bfb$f3bc9160$f01f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <013201c26c7f$4f76d730$28106343@johnnyrotten> Let's hope that the US #1 tape surfaces in PR! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Until now, all I can tell you is that according to the tapes received from the Europe's guys, we have really something here !!!!!!! I was really impressed by the sound of Salim, Nick and Eddy Pollet. As always, Gra' went with a very Folky material from his native land. I didn't understand a word, but it sounds really interesting to me. Johnny, Fred and Dr. Deaf were very precise with their selections too. The SpyroGyra track of Nick from Russia, sounds almost like the original CD I have on hand. I believe Gra' and his neighbor Johnny used a Turntable as source. Eddy and Salim were very careful following the rules and sticked strictly to it. Tom from Australia send us a very strange quartet with Elvis Costello singing. He used a custom loaded cassette with a very good chrome tape in it. I noticed that the ZX-9 is a favorite recording deck among the group. Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim Tom - ZX 9 Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 5 17:14:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:14:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <002701c26c0d$6e141620$a71f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000701c26c81$f4784960$7fd6193e@oemcomputer> Carlos I forgot to add ... if it's truly relevant .... that the cable used between amp and CD player and Nak ZX9 were White Wolf cut short lengths ... yes, the stuff they use in car audio systems. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 05 October 2002 02:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Excellent ! I read Rega and it comes to my memory those affordable crystal plate tables of the 90's. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Heh! Heh! The language you heard, Carlos, is Scottish Gaelic. And the source .... nope, that wasn't a turntable but that pre-production Rega Jupiter 2000 I bought from Terry Bateman, who designed it and (re)built the model that I've got. Several people who've heard it say it sounds more like a turntable than a CD player. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 05 October 2002 00:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Importance: High Until now, all I can tell you is that according to the tapes received from the Europe's guys, we have really something here !!!!!!! I was really impressed by the sound of Salim, Nick and Eddy Pollet. As always, Gra' went with a very Folky material from his native land. I didn't understand a word, but it sounds really interesting to me. Johnny, Fred and Dr. Deaf were very precise with their selections too. The SpyroGyra track of Nick from Russia, sounds almost like the original CD I have on hand. I believe Gra' and his neighbor Johnny used a Turntable as source. Eddy and Salim were very careful following the rules and sticked strictly to it. Tom from Australia send us a very strange quartet with Elvis Costello singing. He used a custom loaded cassette with a very good chrome tape in it. I noticed that the ZX-9 is a favorite recording deck among the group. Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim Tom - ZX 9 Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Oct 5 17:37:56 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:37:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <000e01c26c7c$a129f060$8ffd10ac@mariano> Message-ID: <019b01c26c85$2db0b200$59f63fd0@oemcomputer> Done right requires an active crossover. in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corporate Communications" To: Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping Ron: Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers driving two speakers? Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on the subject? Many thanks. Mariano ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Oct 5 19:24:04 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:24:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: <019b01c26c85$2db0b200$59f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I've read very recently that attempting to use an electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses and the designers go to great lengths to get them just right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corporate Communications" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Ron: > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > driving two speakers? > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > the subject? > > Many thanks. > > Mariano > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 5 20:52:49 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:52:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active crossover or a speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come to mind and there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service standpoint, though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost and resulting inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people recover for their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping I've read very recently that attempting to use an electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses and the designers go to great lengths to get them just right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Corporate Communications" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Ron: > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > driving two speakers? > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > the subject? > > Many thanks. > > Mariano > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Oct 5 21:30:14 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:30:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I found the article: Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power Amplifiers WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of a scientific term. First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single channel power amplifiers. In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks inside the speakers systems. We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual driver variables is next to impossible. Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much easier for a tube amplifier to drive. Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket 88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent 'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This offers the user the ability to customize their system. To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like to share two examples used in my home: System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 mono blocs! To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel vertical bi-amping 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on the loudspeaker ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio Design. Yours Truly, Dennis J. Had President > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active > crossover or a > speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part > of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come > to mind and > there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize > external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service > standpoint, > though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost > and resulting > inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people > recover for > their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > J. C. O'Connell > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Warren > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Ron: > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > > driving two speakers? > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > > the subject? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Mariano > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 5 21:33:34 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:33:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? not yet References: <010001c26c25$4cfc7b40$59f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D9F3E8E.4E8229B@rcn.com> Jon Risch is a well known proponent of DIY interconnects and speaker cables. While in the 'Believers' camp, much of his advice is reasonable. However, he conducts sighted tests and -- as sincere as he may be -- these are far from conclusive when testing rather obscure phenomena. Also, when trying to justify his pre-conceived notions, he tends to show lack of technical knowledge. For example, Jon has listened to stranded vs. solid wire and has come to the conclusion that stranded sounds better than solid. However, when listening to balanced interconnects, he has decided that one lead stranded plus one lead solid sounded better than either both stranded or both solid. None of this makes any technical sense whatsoever and I strongly suspect that it would all be refuted by a DBT, using Jon's own ears. Another example is his preference of Belden 82259 over 1506A. He has a couple of technical reasons (he hasn't actually conducted listening tests), both of which are very poorly thought out. As to Roger Russell's article, for 'The Other Side', I obviously agree with his conclusions, as I do with his straightforward presentation. He did neglect to mention a very important aspect of lower speaker cable resistance; that is, speaker damping. I believe I posted a full explanation of this, in great (too great) detail -- something I won't repeat here. Suffice it to say that inadequate cable gauge audibly increases speaker distortion, by lowering the effective DF (damping factor) of the power amplifier. This is more important for high end speakers, that can benefit from a high DF, when coupled with amps that actually provide it. One last comment: a lot is made by esoteric speaker cable manufacturers of the cable construction. Construction is totally immaterial to electrons traveling along the cable, EXCEPT as it affects the cable electrical properties. Thus, always ignore the sales pitch concerning construction; just look at the resistance, capacitance and inductance of the cable (the first is by far the most important. The others are immaterial in most cases). -- Ron Warren wrote: > > While its interesting its hardly difinitive > and although I did recomend a simple belden wire > I feel that as a member of Ron's loyal opposition > I should provide these links for the pro biwiring side > http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/biwiring.htm > http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/page7.htm > note that while Jon doesn't work for McIntosh he is > a well regarded engineer and has presented a number of AES > papers about wiring in general. > here is a Annotated Cable Bibliography > http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/c4.htm > and jon's general cable information > http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/cables.htm > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl C" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 7:25 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bulk Speaker Wire...Last Word? > > > There is a fascinating and quite informative report on speaker wiring that > > was done by McIntosh Laboratories by the former head engineering guy at > > McIntosh, Roger Russell. Rather than belabour the wiring point yet again > > with no resolution I offer this link to those that would like to review it. > > Purveyors of expensive wire might not much like this report (just as they > > did not like the 1983 Stereo Review report on wire....). > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 5 21:40:20 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <000e01c26c7c$a129f060$8ffd10ac@mariano> Message-ID: <3D9F4024.9C110DFE@rcn.com> > Corporate Communications wrote: > > Ron: > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > driving two speakers? > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > the subject? > > Many thanks. > > Mariano 'Biamping' means driving each speaker system with two amplifiers -- one driving the woofer, the other driving the tweeter (or squaker plus tweeter combination, through a xover). Each amp is fed through an electronic xover. This means that for a stereo system you need two electronic xovers, 4 power amps and two speakers systems, each allowing access directly to the drivers. Sorry, I have no knowledge of links addressing the subject. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Oct 5 21:55:06 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 15:55:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: Message-ID: <3D9F439A.38CBBC3C@rcn.com> Well, opinions abound... Whoever wrote this advice is wrong on all counts. 1. Regardless of how well designed and 'refined' a passive xover is, it does have finite non-zero resistance. Getting rid of it is goodness. 2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under the sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By 'any', I mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers utilize well known characteristics that are very easy to replicate. 3. Driving the passive xover with two amps offers NO advantages whatsoever. We've gone over this before. Let's not repeat the exercise. -- Ron "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Warren > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Ron: > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > > driving two speakers? > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > > the subject? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Mariano > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat Oct 5 22:28:48 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:28:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: <3D9F4024.9C110DFE@rcn.com> Message-ID: To clarify - excluding xover, for a stereo system one needs two speakers and ... 1. Two Stereo Amplifiers 2. Four Mono Amplifiers or .. 3. One 4+ channel amplifier With identical set of amplifiers I would take out the extra xovers and rely on the passive ones built into the speakers. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sat, October 05, 2002 2:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > Corporate Communications wrote: > > Ron: > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > driving two speakers? > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > the subject? > > Many thanks. > > Mariano 'Biamping' means driving each speaker system with two amplifiers -- one driving the woofer, the other driving the tweeter (or squaker plus tweeter combination, through a xover). Each amp is fed through an electronic xover. This means that for a stereo system you need two electronic xovers, 4 power amps and two speakers systems, each allowing access directly to the drivers. Sorry, I have no knowledge of links addressing the subject. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Oct 5 23:36:54 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 04:36:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <000e01c26af6$5da579e0$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> <00f801c26b4c$10cb2330$38106343@johnnyrotten> <002401c26bfb$f3bc9160$f01f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001f01c26cb7$535fd6c0$2d299bca@smarzuki> Ooops, sorry !! Been trying to get a TV capture card work on my PC ... of course crashed 90% of the time and almost required to re-format the non cooperative system (kinda miss the good old mac days). Anyway, band is Pink Martini playing "Brazil" - to commemorate world cup OT chat by which El Magnifico initiated M-tape idea. And thanks much for the kind words, Carlos ! Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for recording: Salim : ZX 9 - from Nak MB1s (op275'ed =) through CA7 'the dog howler' preamp. Tom - ZX 9 Eddy Nick Gra' - ZX 9 Johnny Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson Carlos, The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 6 00:30:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 23:30:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <001f01c26cb7$535fd6c0$2d299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001801c26cbe$c0260b60$7fd6193e@oemcomputer> Oh, great choice, Salim! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 05 October 2002 22:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > > > > Ooops, sorry !! Been trying to get a TV capture card work on my PC ... of > course crashed 90% of the time and almost required to re-format the non > cooperative system (kinda miss the good old mac days). > > Anyway, band is Pink Martini playing "Brazil" - to commemorate > world cup OT > chat by which El Magnifico initiated M-tape idea. And thanks much for the > kind words, Carlos ! > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Now, to all who appears below, please write aside your Nak model used for > recording: > > Salim : ZX 9 - from Nak MB1s (op275'ed =) through CA7 'the dog howler' > preamp. > > Tom - ZX 9 > > Eddy > > Nick > > Gra' - ZX 9 > > Johnny Walker > > Fred Moss > > Jim Simpson > > Carlos, The Tape Man > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 6 05:51:31 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 10:51:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape References: <001801c26cbe$c0260b60$7fd6193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000c01c26ceb$a8bd7c60$e0299bca@smarzuki> Thank you, brother Graham ! =) Carlos, to save extraneous shipping cost, maybe it'd be easier if you send the CDs to us 'europeans' in batches ? send 2 CDs to either Tom or me and we'll forward the remaining one. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Oh, great choice, Salim! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 05 October 2002 22:37 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape > > > > Ooops, sorry !! Been trying to get a TV capture card work on my PC ... of > course crashed 90% of the time and almost required to re-format the non > cooperative system (kinda miss the good old mac days). > > Anyway, band is Pink Martini playing "Brazil" - to commemorate > world cup OT > chat by which El Magnifico initiated M-tape idea. And thanks much for the > kind words, Carlos ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 6 09:11:20 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:11:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the TV right next to it. Here is the question: what is the best way to wire up these speakers so they will act as a mono speaker......in series or parallel? I really do not remember how to do either of them; I can figure out how to make it happen but I need to know the impact on resistance that each method produces. I believe that one method raises the impedance level and the other reduces it. I do not want to lower the impedance level as the Linns have a nominal impedance of 4 ohms. I think I would rather raise the impedance level. I am using a Parasound HCA 1206 THX amplifier; ie, 6 channels at 200 watts (something like that) ea into 4 ohms and correspondingly less into 8 ohms. Can the persons versed in electronics provide some guidance here? Also, in the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank you)? Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping I found the article: Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power Amplifiers WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of a scientific term. First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single channel power amplifiers. In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks inside the speakers systems. We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual driver variables is next to impossible. Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much easier for a tube amplifier to drive. Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket 88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent 'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This offers the user the ability to customize their system. To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like to share two examples used in my home: System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 mono blocs! To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel vertical bi-amping 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on the loudspeaker ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio Design. Yours Truly, Dennis J. Had President > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active > crossover or a > speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part > of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come > to mind and > there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize > external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service > standpoint, > though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost > and resulting > inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people > recover for > their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > J. C. O'Connell > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Warren > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > > Warren > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Ron: > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > > driving two speakers? > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > > the subject? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Mariano > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 10:35:42 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 01:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: <3D9F4024.9C110DFE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20021006083542.35570.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Here's a bi-wiring faq from Vandersteen that might be of interest. Personally I think bi-wiring is far more significant than bi-amping. (All bi-amp setups are necessarily bi-wired!) It's hard to get the upper and lower amps matched just right statically and for gain. Also, bi-amping setup is particularly difficult for tube amps I've been told. http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/Answr7.htm Javier --- Ron wrote: > > > Corporate Communications wrote: > > > > Ron: > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two > (2) amplifiers > > driving two speakers? > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some > useful links on > > the subject? > > > > Many thanks. > > > > Mariano > > 'Biamping' means driving each speaker system with > two amplifiers > -- one driving the woofer, the other driving the > tweeter (or squaker > plus tweeter combination, through a xover). Each amp > is fed through > an electronic xover. > > This means that for a stereo system you need two > electronic xovers, > 4 power amps and two speakers systems, each allowing > access directly > to the drivers. > > Sorry, I have no knowledge of links addressing the > subject. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 6 12:32:03 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:32:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: <20021006083542.35570.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c26d23$9c983960$fdd5193e@oemcomputer> Not sure about bi-amping? The hear an active Naim set up - brother used to have "active" Isobariks. I seem to recall there were about 3 identical mono amps per speaker. However, with my one good ear the way it is at the moment, after the previous Saturday's accident. I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever hear the difference between a boom box and decent hi fi again ... Gra' (getting worried) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: 06 October 2002 09:36 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > Here's a bi-wiring faq from Vandersteen > that might be of interest. Personally I think > bi-wiring is far more significant than bi-amping. > (All bi-amp setups are necessarily bi-wired!) > It's hard to get the upper and lower amps matched just > right statically and for gain. Also, bi-amping setup > is particularly difficult for tube amps I've been > told. > > http://www.vandersteen.com/pages/Answr7.htm > > Javier > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 6 12:31:58 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:31:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <3D9F439A.38CBBC3C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DA0111E.9080201@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron, get yourself a stiff drink, sit down, and get ready. I agree, defiinitely, no question, with Ron on 1 and 2. All that stuff about it being impossible to replicate a passive crossover is so much hokum. Of course you can. And it is easier to do it ahead of the power amps, because the designer has less power to worry about. On 3, there is the obvious advantage of 3 dB more power available overall, and a bit more headroom in the system. This could be sufficiently important with low power valve amps that have little in reserve for transients etc, and could be the reason why people like to bi-amp. (Indeed, I am considering doing an experiment along these lines myself - my single-ended triode amps need some help, especially at the bass end of the spectrum. I am thinking of getting some cheap-ish power amps to drive the bass end, using a potential divider to split the signal between the pre-amp and the two sets of power amps. John Walker Ron wrote: >Well, opinions abound... Whoever wrote this advice is wrong >on all counts. > >1. Regardless of how well designed and 'refined' a passive > xover is, it does have finite non-zero resistance. > Getting rid of it is goodness. > >2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under the > sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By 'any', I > mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers utilize > well known characteristics that are very easy to replicate. > >3. Driving the passive xover with two amps offers NO > advantages whatsoever. > >We've gone over this before. Let's not repeat the >exercise. > >-- Ron > > > >"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > >>I've read very recently that attempting to use an >>electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers >>in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely >>refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses >>and the designers go to great lengths to get them just >>right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically >>is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off >>using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response >>and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. >>JCO >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>>Warren >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >>> >>> >>>Done right requires an active crossover. >>>in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed >>>active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways >>>and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. >>>But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better >>>its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal >>>instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. >>>Warren >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Corporate Communications" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >>> >>> >>>Ron: >>> >>>Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers >>>driving two speakers? >>> >>>Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on >>>the subject? >>> >>>Many thanks. >>> >>>Mariano >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------========= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>>Deck resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------========= >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 6 12:48:04 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 11:48:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel References: Message-ID: <3DA014E4.1000209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I would use just one of them - I cannot see an advantage to using two, especially if you separate them. You could wire them in parallel, but this will reduce the overall impedance that the amp sees (by one half), and could cause problems. Wiring in series would double the impedance. Your amp might cope better with that. But, as I say, one should work just fine. John Walker Carl C wrote: >Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center >channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a >TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection >TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of >bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now >unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I >recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the >TV right next to it. > >Here is the question: what is the best way to wire up these speakers so >they will act as a mono speaker......in series or parallel? I really do not >remember how to do either of them; I can figure out how to make it happen >but I need to know the impact on resistance that each method produces. I >believe that one method raises the impedance level and the other reduces it. >I do not want to lower the impedance level as the Linns have a nominal >impedance of 4 ohms. I think I would rather raise the impedance level. I >am using a Parasound HCA 1206 THX amplifier; ie, 6 channels at 200 watts >(something like that) ea into 4 ohms and correspondingly less into 8 ohms. > >Can the persons versed in electronics provide some guidance here? Also, in >the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new >with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations >on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank >you)? > >Thanks, >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >J. C. O'Connell >Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > >I found the article: > >Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power >Amplifiers > >WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO > >Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing >audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to >explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better >than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using >the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power >amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. > >There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple >explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional >headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved >fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of >a scientific term. > >First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and >then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much >better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single >channel power amplifiers. > >In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible >audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower >bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass >frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the >high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass >frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving >little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier >clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. > >Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers >along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle >improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the >program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in >the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency >loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The >result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would >be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other >words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp >configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. > >Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the >home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic >crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers >drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks >inside the speakers systems. > >We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. >On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio >system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps >directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful >to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive >crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in >crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing >for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker >crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual >driver variables is next to impossible. > >Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one >separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. >Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high >and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same >time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous >changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter >section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much >easier for a tube amplifier to drive. > >Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The >woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below >their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will >be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for >this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend >to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to >deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs >only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and >usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are >looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 >ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band >frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. > >The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. >As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier >looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In >simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter >network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies >are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit >further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket >88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard >with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent >'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. > >The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent >channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as >presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and >at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This >offers the user the ability to customize their system. > >To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like >to share two examples used in my home: > >System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This >loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a >tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one >for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design >Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of >the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right >channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. > >In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel >driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange >tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. >The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining >interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to >balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in >the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch >set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel >is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is >astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even >when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life >size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. > >System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. >This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo >V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & >midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm >position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in >the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. >Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 >mono blocs! > >To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: > > 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification > 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel & vertical bi-amping > 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel > 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on >the loudspeaker > >ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers >are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. > >Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio >Design. > >Yours Truly, >Dennis J. Had >President > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Carl C >>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >> >> >>Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active >>crossover or a >>speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part >>of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come >>to mind and >>there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize >>external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service >>standpoint, >>though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost >>and resulting >>inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people >>recover for >>their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. >> >>Carl >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>J. C. O'Connell >>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >> >> >>I've read very recently that attempting to use an >>electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers >>in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely >>refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses >>and the designers go to great lengths to get them just >>right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically >>is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off >>using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response >>and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. >>JCO >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>>Warren >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >>> >>> >>>Done right requires an active crossover. >>>in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed >>>active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways >>>and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. >>>But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better >>>its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal >>>instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. >>>Warren >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Corporate Communications" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >>> >>> >>>Ron: >>> >>>Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers >>>driving two speakers? >>> >>>Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on >>>the subject? >>> >>>Many thanks. >>> >>>Mariano >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------========= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>>Deck resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------========= >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------== >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------== >>======= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Oct 6 17:45:44 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 21:15:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Back on track - Nak Remotes Message-ID: <20021006154544.30B5D1149D0@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mikeziegler at attbi.com Sun Oct 6 18:15:50 2002 From: mikeziegler at attbi.com (Mike Ziegler) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:15:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-3 Message-ID: <001201c26d53$a6814cc0$ad12e50c@one> Hello everyone, I was looking for some advice / help on a Nakamichi DR-3 that i just purchased used from someone. The problem is theres quite a bit of hum and hiss. -43 / -44 DB while just playing with no tape inside. -36 DB with blank tape playing. I've tried cleaning and demagnetizing, but neither have seemed to help. I've run it through regular wall outlet and a Furman power conditioner... nothing. Do any of you know of a quick fix?, what could be wrong? a cassette deck servicer in WA? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Mike Ziegler - mikeziegler at attbi.com ---------------------------------------------- "flux capacitor ... fluxing." - marty ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 6 18:27:36 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:27:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel In-Reply-To: <3DA014E4.1000209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: I remembered how to do the series wiring; not done that since I was a teenager. Well, two of them provide double the woofer surface area. Not only that but then then look "correct"; ie, one speaker on each side of the TV. It simply drives me nuts to see things like center channel speakers not mounted perfectly in the center. The Parasound has plenty of power to drive these babies with the resistance at 8 ohms and they sound great so far in this application. Thanks for the input. carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel I would use just one of them - I cannot see an advantage to using two, especially if you separate them. You could wire them in parallel, but this will reduce the overall impedance that the amp sees (by one half), and could cause problems. Wiring in series would double the impedance. Your amp might cope better with that. But, as I say, one should work just fine. John Walker Carl C wrote: >Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center >channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a >TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection >TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of >bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now >unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I >recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the >TV right next to it. > >Here is the question: what is the best way to wire up these speakers so >they will act as a mono speaker......in series or parallel? I really do not >remember how to do either of them; I can figure out how to make it happen >but I need to know the impact on resistance that each method produces. I >believe that one method raises the impedance level and the other reduces it. >I do not want to lower the impedance level as the Linns have a nominal >impedance of 4 ohms. I think I would rather raise the impedance level. I >am using a Parasound HCA 1206 THX amplifier; ie, 6 channels at 200 watts >(something like that) ea into 4 ohms and correspondingly less into 8 ohms. > >Can the persons versed in electronics provide some guidance here? Also, in >the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new >with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations >on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank >you)? > >Thanks, >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >J. C. O'Connell >Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > >I found the article: > >Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power >Amplifiers > >WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO > >Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing >audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to >explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better >than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using >the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power >amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. > >There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple >explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional >headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved >fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of >a scientific term. > >First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and >then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much >better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single >channel power amplifiers. > >In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible >audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower >bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass >frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the >high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass >frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving >little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier >clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. > >Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers >along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle >improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the >program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in >the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency >loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The >result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would >be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other >words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp >configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. > >Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the >home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic >crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers >drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks >inside the speakers systems. > >We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. >On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio >system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps >directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful >to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive >crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in >crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing >for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker >crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual >driver variables is next to impossible. > >Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one >separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. >Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high >and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same >time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous >changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter >section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much >easier for a tube amplifier to drive. > >Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The >woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below >their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will >be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for >this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend >to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to >deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs >only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and >usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are >looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 >ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band >frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. > >The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. >As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier >looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In >simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter >network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies >are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit >further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket >88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard >with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent >'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. > >The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent >channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as >presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and >at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This >offers the user the ability to customize their system. > >To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like >to share two examples used in my home: > >System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This >loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a >tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one >for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design >Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of >the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right >channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. > >In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel >driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange >tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. >The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining >interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to >balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in >the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch >set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel >is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is >astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even >when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life >size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. > >System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. >This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo >V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & >midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm >position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in >the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. >Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 >mono blocs! > >To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: > > 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification > 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel & vertical bi-amping > 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel > 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on >the loudspeaker > >ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers >are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. > >Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio >Design. > >Yours Truly, >Dennis J. Had >President > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Carl C >>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >> >> >>Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active >>crossover or a >>speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part >>of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come >>to mind and >>there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize >>external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service >>standpoint, >>though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost >>and resulting >>inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people >>recover for >>their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. >> >>Carl >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>J. C. O'Connell >>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >> >> >>I've read very recently that attempting to use an >>electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers >>in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely >>refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses >>and the designers go to great lengths to get them just >>right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically >>is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off >>using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response >>and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. >>JCO >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>>Warren >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >>> >>> >>>Done right requires an active crossover. >>>in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed >>>active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways >>>and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. >>>But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better >>>its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal >>>instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. >>>Warren >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Corporate Communications" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping >>> >>> >>>Ron: >>> >>>Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers >>>driving two speakers? >>> >>>Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on >>>the subject? >>> >>>Many thanks. >>> >>>Mariano >>> >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------========= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>>Deck resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>>--------========= >>> >>> >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------== >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------== >>======= >> >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========---------------------------------------------------------- >>--------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Oct 6 21:18:32 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:18:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <3D9F439A.38CBBC3C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00c501c26d6d$29676520$ecea3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > 2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under the > sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By 'any', I > mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers utilize > well known characteristics that are very easy to replicate. This is correct but in the article from Cary he is comparing his passive bi-amp situation versus someone using a simple rane or ashly crossover to active biamp. in that case I would bet heavly on the passive crossover to sound better. To do biamping right you would need to have a active crossover made for your specific speaker model. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 6 21:50:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:50:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: Message-ID: <3DA0940D.99B6F4BF@rcn.com> I have neither the time not the inclination to explain why this "article" is totally incorrect, containing falsehoods in nearly every paragraph. The author is obviously not an engineer and knows not what he is talking (er... writing) about. A clear case of the clueless leading the blind... So, you are left with one of two choices: either trust the article or trust me. Either way, I wish you a good weekend (what's left of it). Enjoy the music, -- Ron "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > I found the article: > > Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power > Amplifiers > > WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO > > Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing > audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to > explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better > than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using > the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power > amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. > > There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple > explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional > headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved > fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of > a scientific term. > > First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and > then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much > better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single > channel power amplifiers. > > In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible > audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower > bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass > frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the > high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass > frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving > little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier > clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. > > Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers > along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle > improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the > program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in > the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency > loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The > result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would > be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other > words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp > configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. > > Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the > home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic > crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers > drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks > inside the speakers systems. > > We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. > On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio > system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps > directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful > to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive > crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in > crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing > for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker > crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual > driver variables is next to impossible. > > Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one > separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. > Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high > and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same > time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous > changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter > section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much > easier for a tube amplifier to drive. > > Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The > woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below > their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will > be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for > this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend > to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to > deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs > only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and > usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are > looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 > ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band > frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. > > The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. > As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier > looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In > simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter > network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies > are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit > further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket > 88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard > with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent > 'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. > > The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent > channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as > presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and > at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This > offers the user the ability to customize their system. > > To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like > to share two examples used in my home: > > System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This > loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a > tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one > for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design > Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of > the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right > channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. > > In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel > driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange > tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. > The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining > interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to > balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in > the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch > set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel > is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is > astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even > when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life > size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. > > System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. > This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo > V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & > midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm > position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in > the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. > Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 > mono blocs! > > To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: > > 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification > 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel vertical bi-amping > 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel > 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on > the loudspeaker > > ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers > are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. > > Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio > Design. > > Yours Truly, > Dennis J. Had > President > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carl C > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active > > crossover or a > > speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part > > of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come > > to mind and > > there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize > > external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service > > standpoint, > > though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost > > and resulting > > inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people > > recover for > > their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > J. C. O'Connell > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > > electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > > refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > > and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > > right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > > JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Warren > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > > > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > > > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > > > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > > > Warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > > > driving two speakers? > > > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > > > the subject? > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 6 21:58:42 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 15:58:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel References: Message-ID: <3DA095F2.4DAA3D28@rcn.com> You'll get better sound if wired in parallel, but make sure that your amp can drive half the impedance. If not, you are forced to use series connection, which doubles the impedance (your amp can certainly drive *that*). Whether series or parallel -- make sure your phasing is correct. Using two speakers for center can pose acoustical problems. If these occur, you may want to consider using a phantom center (no center speaker. If you tell this to your processor, it will create a center image with the main L/R speakers. Not quite as good (especially for off center listeners, but in many rooms, very acceptable). -- Ron Carl C wrote: > > Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center > channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a > TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection > TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of > bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now > unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I > recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the > TV right next to it. > > Here is the question: what is the best way to wire up these speakers so > they will act as a mono speaker......in series or parallel? I really do not > remember how to do either of them; I can figure out how to make it happen > but I need to know the impact on resistance that each method produces. I > believe that one method raises the impedance level and the other reduces it. > I do not want to lower the impedance level as the Linns have a nominal > impedance of 4 ohms. I think I would rather raise the impedance level. I > am using a Parasound HCA 1206 THX amplifier; ie, 6 channels at 200 watts > (something like that) ea into 4 ohms and correspondingly less into 8 ohms. > > Can the persons versed in electronics provide some guidance here? Also, in > the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new > with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations > on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank > you)? > > Thanks, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > J. C. O'Connell > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > I found the article: > > Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power > Amplifiers > > WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO > > Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing > audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to > explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better > than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using > the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power > amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. > > There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple > explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional > headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved > fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of > a scientific term. > > First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and > then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much > better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single > channel power amplifiers. > > In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible > audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower > bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass > frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the > high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass > frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving > little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier > clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. > > Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers > along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle > improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the > program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in > the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency > loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The > result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would > be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other > words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp > configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. > > Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the > home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic > crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers > drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks > inside the speakers systems. > > We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. > On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio > system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps > directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful > to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive > crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in > crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing > for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker > crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual > driver variables is next to impossible. > > Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one > separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. > Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high > and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same > time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous > changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter > section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much > easier for a tube amplifier to drive. > > Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The > woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below > their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will > be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for > this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend > to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to > deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs > only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and > usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are > looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 > ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band > frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. > > The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. > As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier > looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In > simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter > network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies > are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit > further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket > 88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard > with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent > 'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. > > The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent > channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as > presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and > at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This > offers the user the ability to customize their system. > > To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like > to share two examples used in my home: > > System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This > loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a > tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one > for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design > Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of > the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right > channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. > > In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel > driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange > tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. > The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining > interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to > balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in > the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch > set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel > is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is > astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even > when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life > size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. > > System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. > This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo > V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & > midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm > position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in > the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. > Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 > mono blocs! > > To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: > > 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification > 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel vertical bi-amping > 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel > 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on > the loudspeaker > > ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers > are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. > > Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio > Design. > > Yours Truly, > Dennis J. Had > President > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carl C > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active > > crossover or a > > speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part > > of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come > > to mind and > > there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize > > external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service > > standpoint, > > though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost > > and resulting > > inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people > > recover for > > their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > J. C. O'Connell > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > > electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > > refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > > and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > > right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > > JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Warren > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > > > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > > > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > > > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > > > Warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > > > driving two speakers? > > > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > > > the subject? > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 6 22:00:13 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:00:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <3D9F439A.38CBBC3C@rcn.com> <3DA0111E.9080201@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DA0964D.3669AA49@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Ron, get yourself a stiff drink, sit down, and get ready. > > I agree, defiinitely, no question, with Ron on 1 and 2. All that stuff > about it being impossible to replicate a passive crossover is so much > hokum. Of course you can. And it is easier to do it ahead of the power > amps, because the designer has less power to worry about. On 3, there is > the obvious advantage of 3 dB more power available overall... No, there isn't. Think it out... > ... and a bit > more headroom in the system. This could be sufficiently important with > low power valve amps that have little in reserve for transients etc, and > could be the reason why people like to bi-amp. (Indeed, I am considering > doing an experiment along these lines myself - my single-ended triode > amps need some help, especially at the bass end of the spectrum. I am > thinking of getting some cheap-ish power amps to drive the bass end, > using a potential divider to split the signal between the pre-amp and > the two sets of power amps. > > John Walker > > Ron wrote: > > >Well, opinions abound... Whoever wrote this advice is wrong > >on all counts. > > > >1. Regardless of how well designed and 'refined' a passive > > xover is, it does have finite non-zero resistance. > > Getting rid of it is goodness. > > > >2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under the > > sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By 'any', I > > mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers utilize > > well known characteristics that are very easy to replicate. > > > >3. Driving the passive xover with two amps offers NO > > advantages whatsoever. > > > >We've gone over this before. Let's not repeat the > >exercise. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >"J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > >>I've read very recently that attempting to use an > >>electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > >>in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > >>refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > >>and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > >>right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > >>is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > >>using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > >>and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > >>JCO > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>>Warren > >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > >>> > >>> > >>>Done right requires an active crossover. > >>>in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > >>>active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > >>>and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > >>>But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > >>>its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > >>>instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > >>>Warren > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Corporate Communications" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > >>>Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > >>> > >>> > >>>Ron: > >>> > >>>Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > >>>driving two speakers? > >>> > >>>Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > >>>the subject? > >>> > >>>Many thanks. > >>> > >>>Mariano > >>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>--------========= > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >>>Deck resource. > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>--------========= > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 6 22:07:09 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:07:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel References: Message-ID: <3DA097ED.CB2E812A@rcn.com> Here's parallel wiring: 1. Amp hot (red) -> speaker A + (red) -> speaker B + (red) 2. Amp GND (black) -> speaker A - (black) -> speaker B - (black) Here's Series: 1. Amp hot (red) -> speaker A + (red) 2. speaker A - (black) -> speaker B + (red) 3. speaker B - (black) -> amp GND (black) Carl C wrote: > > I remembered how to do the series wiring; not done that since I was a > teenager. Well, two of them provide double the woofer surface area. Not > only that but then then look "correct"; ie, one speaker on each side of the > TV. It simply drives me nuts to see things like center channel speakers not > mounted perfectly in the center. > > The Parasound has plenty of power to drive these babies with the resistance > at 8 ohms and they sound great so far in this application. > > Thanks for the input. > > carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 3:48 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel > > I would use just one of them - I cannot see an advantage to using two, > especially if you separate them. You could wire them in parallel, but > this will reduce the overall impedance that the amp sees (by one half), > and could cause problems. Wiring in series would double the impedance. > Your amp might cope better with that. But, as I say, one should work > just fine. > > John Walker > > Carl C wrote: > > >Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center > >channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a > >TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear > projection > >TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of > >bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now > >unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I > >recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of > the > >TV right next to it. > > > >Here is the question: what is the best way to wire up these speakers so > >they will act as a mono speaker......in series or parallel? I really do > not > >remember how to do either of them; I can figure out how to make it happen > >but I need to know the impact on resistance that each method produces. I > >believe that one method raises the impedance level and the other reduces > it. > >I do not want to lower the impedance level as the Linns have a nominal > >impedance of 4 ohms. I think I would rather raise the impedance level. I > >am using a Parasound HCA 1206 THX amplifier; ie, 6 channels at 200 watts > >(something like that) ea into 4 ohms and correspondingly less into 8 ohms. > > > >Can the persons versed in electronics provide some guidance here? Also, in > >the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new > >with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any > recommendations > >on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank > >you)? > > > >Thanks, > >Carl > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >J. C. O'Connell > >Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > >I found the article: > > > >Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube > Power > >Amplifiers > > > >WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO > > > >Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing > >audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to > >explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better > >than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using > >the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power > >amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. > > > >There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple > >explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional > >headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved > >fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' > of > >a scientific term. > > > >First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and > >then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much > >better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single > >channel power amplifiers. > > > >In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible > >audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the > lower > >bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass > >frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the > >high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass > >frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving > >little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier > >clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. > > > >Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers > >along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle > >improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the > >program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in > >the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency > >loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. > The > >result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would > >be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other > >words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp > >configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. > > > >Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the > >home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic > >crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers > >drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation > networks > >inside the speakers systems. > > > >We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can > sound. > >On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio > >system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the > amps > >directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful > >to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in > passive > >crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in > >crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing > >for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker > >crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual > >driver variables is next to impossible. > > > >Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one > >separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. > >Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both > high > >and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the > same > >time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous > >changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter > >section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much > >easier for a tube amplifier to drive. > > > >Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The > >woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below > >their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will > >be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for > >this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend > >to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to > >deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs > >only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and > >usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are > >looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 > >ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band > >frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. > > > >The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. > >As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the > amplifier > >looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In > >simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange > tweeter > >network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the > frequencies > >are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit > >further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket > >88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard > >with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the > independent > >'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. > > > >The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent > >channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts > as > >presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass > and > >at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This > >offers the user the ability to customize their system. > > > >To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would > like > >to share two examples used in my home: > > > >System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This > >loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and > a > >tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and > one > >for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio > Design > >Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One > of > >the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right > >channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. > > > >In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel > >driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange > >tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. > >The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining > >interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to > >balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in > >the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch > >set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel > >is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is > >astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even > >when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and > life > >size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. > > > >System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. > >This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo > >V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass > & > >midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm > >position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air > in > >the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. > >Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 > >mono blocs! > > > >To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: > > > > 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification > > 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel & vertical bi-amping > > 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel > > 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on > >the loudspeaker > > > >ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers > >are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. > > > >Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary > Audio > >Design. > > > >Yours Truly, > >Dennis J. Had > >President > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>Carl C > >>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > >> > >> > >>Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active > >>crossover or a > >>speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part > >>of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come > >>to mind and > >>there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize > >>external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service > >>standpoint, > >>though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost > >>and resulting > >>inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people > >>recover for > >>their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. > >> > >>Carl > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>J. C. O'Connell > >>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > >> > >> > >>I've read very recently that attempting to use an > >>electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > >>in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > >>refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > >>and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > >>right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > >>is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > >>using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > >>and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > >>JCO > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>>Warren > >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > >>> > >>> > >>>Done right requires an active crossover. > >>>in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > >>>active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > >>>and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > >>>But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > >>>its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > >>>instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > >>>Warren > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Corporate Communications" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > >>>Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > >>> > >>> > >>>Ron: > >>> > >>>Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > >>>driving two speakers? > >>> > >>>Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > >>>the subject? > >>> > >>>Many thanks. > >>> > >>>Mariano > >>> > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>--------========= > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >>>Deck resource. > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>>--------========= > >>> > >>> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>--------== > >>======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>--------== > >>======= > >> > >>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>--------========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >>Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========---------------------------------------------------------- > >>--------========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 6 22:23:36 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 16:23:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <3D9F439A.38CBBC3C@rcn.com> <00c501c26d6d$29676520$ecea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DA09BC8.810F3B29@rcn.com> My own speakers use a likwitz-Riley 4th order xover, which is exactly what Rane xovers (AC-22, etc.) use. This is by no means an isolated case. 95% (just a number I pulled from thin air, but very conservative, I am sure) of passive networks use Linwitz-Riley, Buttterworth, Bessel or Tchebychev filters, all of which can be designed using cook book approach or one of many available computer programs. I agree that DIY implementation of electronic xovers is not for the complete novice; but it's doable by many hobbyists and techs. -- Ron Warren wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 3:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > 2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under the > > sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By 'any', I > > mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers utilize > > well known characteristics that are very easy to replicate. > > This is correct but in the article from Cary he is comparing > his passive bi-amp situation versus someone using a simple rane > or ashly crossover to active biamp. in that case I would bet heavly > on the passive crossover to sound better. > To do biamping right you would need to have a active crossover made > for your specific speaker model. > > Warren > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Oct 6 22:59:57 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 13:59:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel In-Reply-To: <3DA095F2.4DAA3D28@rcn.com> Message-ID: The parasound hca 1206 should be able to handle the lower impedance as it worked fine with my Thiel CS 2.2 speakers (bridged and unbridged). right now I am running in series and it sounds cleaner than the one spendor 2010 center channel did in biwire mode at a nominal 8 ohms carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Parallel and Series, center channel You'll get better sound if wired in parallel, but make sure that your amp can drive half the impedance. If not, you are forced to use series connection, which doubles the impedance (your amp can certainly drive *that*). Whether series or parallel -- make sure your phasing is correct. Using two speakers for center can pose acoustical problems. If these occur, you may want to consider using a phantom center (no center speaker. If you tell this to your processor, it will create a center image with the main L/R speakers. Not quite as good (especially for off center listeners, but in many rooms, very acceptable). -- Ron Carl C wrote: > > Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center > channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a > TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection > TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of > bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now > unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I > recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the > TV right next to it. > > Here is the question: what is the best way to wire up these speakers so > they will act as a mono speaker......in series or parallel? I really do not > remember how to do either of them; I can figure out how to make it happen > but I need to know the impact on resistance that each method produces. I > believe that one method raises the impedance level and the other reduces it. > I do not want to lower the impedance level as the Linns have a nominal > impedance of 4 ohms. I think I would rather raise the impedance level. I > am using a Parasound HCA 1206 THX amplifier; ie, 6 channels at 200 watts > (something like that) ea into 4 ohms and correspondingly less into 8 ohms. > > Can the persons versed in electronics provide some guidance here? Also, in > the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new > with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations > on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank > you)? > > Thanks, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > J. C. O'Connell > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 12:30 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > I found the article: > > Vertical Bi-Amplification in Home Stereo Systems with Cary Vacuum Tube Power > Amplifiers > > WHY FOUR CHANNELS ARE BETTER THAN TWO, FOR STEREO > > Today I am writing as a very excited boy. As I write this I am experiencing > audio heaven right here on earth in my home listening room. I would like to > explain this and bring you up to speed on why four amp channels are better > than two for two-channel stereo. I am speaking of vertical bi-amping using > the exciting new Cary Audio Rocket 88. The Cary Audio V-12 stereo power > amplifier is another excellent candidate for use in vertical bi-amping. > > There are numerous advantages in a bi-amplified stereo system. One simple > explanation of the bi-amping advantage is that it can provide additional > headroom per watt of amplifier power. I use the term simple in a reserved > fashion. Because simple is not always simple with the 'why and where for' of > a scientific term. > > First, let's look at how one goes about bi-amping a home stereo system and > then come to a comprehensive understanding of why the system sounds so much > better. It is better this way than when using more powerful monobloc single > channel power amplifiers. > > In most live or recorded music, (real music) there is a complete audible > audio spectrum presented. The foundation of the presentation is in the lower > bass registers. There is a tremendous amount of energy at these low bass > frequencies, many times greater than in the higher frequencies. When the > high and low frequency musical ranges are both present, the lower bass > frequencies dominate the power output of an amplifier, oftentimes leaving > little power for the higher frequencies. In the instance of amplifier > clipping, this leaves no power for the higher frequencies of the music. > > Bi-amping in a home audio system, using two identical stereo amplifiers > along with bi-wire capable loudspeakers, offers a more than subtle > improvement in the musical presentation. The high frequency portion of the > program is routed to the separate high frequency crossover and drivers in > the loudspeaker. The bass frequencies are routed to the low frequency > loudspeaker crossover and driver (or drivers) in the loudspeaker system. The > result is an effective increase in the headroom that is greater than would > be obtained by simply using a single amplifier of twice the power. In other > words, a 40-watt per channel stereo amplifier will out perform, in a bi-amp > configuration, an 80-watt mono amplifier driving all the drivers together. > > Please note I have specifically mentioned that this is bi-amping for the > home. This is not professional sound reinforcement where electronic > crossovers are used in front of the amplifiers and the power amplifiers > drive the PA loudspeakers direct with no crossovers or compensation networks > inside the speakers systems. > > We who have experienced bad "PA sound" all know how dreadful this can sound. > On a few occasions I have had the opportunity to listen to a home audio > system using electronic crossovers in front of the amps and in turn the amps > directly feeding drivers. My ears are still ringing; it was simply dreadful > to say the least. The form of bi-amping I speak of uses the built in passive > crossovers incorporated in a quality home loudspeaker. With the built in > crossover the speaker designer, generally, has spent untold hours designing > for the specific speaker in question. To remove the internal speaker > crossover and attempt to electronically compensate for all the individual > driver variables is next to impossible. > > Acknowledging the above, I would like to explain what occurs when one > separates the bass and midrange tweeter with separate amplifiers. > Loudspeaker specifications are given for a particular speaker with both high > and low frequency crossover networks and drivers hooked together at the same > time. When these crossovers and drivers are separated, some truly marvelous > changes occur with regard to impedance. Generally the midrange tweeter > section will exhibit higher impedance. This higher impedance load is much > easier for a tube amplifier to drive. > > Most solid state amplifiers sound superior driving a higher impedance. The > woofer (or multiple woofers) will exhibit lower impedance as they go below > their respective self-resonance (Fs) frequency. The resonant frequency will > be considered the lowest usable frequency of the woofer in the system for > this discussion. As the bass notes go deeper below Fs, the woofer will tend > to drop lower in impedance. These dips can call upon the amplifier to > deliver more current in the lower registers. If the driving amplifier needs > only to produce current in these registers it will have more control and > usable power since the high frequencies going through the amplifier are > looking into a very high impedance, many times on the order of 20 to 30 > ohms. The amplifier will simply throw out voltage in these out of band > frequencies without the need to deliver current and in turn power. > > The same occurrence takes place with the midrange tweeter crossover system. > As low frequencies enter a tweeter midrange crossover network, the amplifier > looks into a very high impedance that will not pull down the amplifier. In > simplistic terms, the amplifier channel that is feeding the midrange tweeter > network will only be delivering any appreciable current when the frequencies > are in the mid to high frequency range.To take this wonderful concept a bit > further one need only look to the advantages of a Cary Audio Design Rocket > 88 or V12 amplifiers. These two stereo amplifiers come equipped as standard > with two very important features for bi-amping. The first is the independent > 'switchable on the fly' impedance matching selector for each channel. > > The other very important feature is the ability to switch independent > channels to either triode or ultra-linear operation mode. Given the facts as > presented, most loudspeakers may tend to go low in impedance in the bass and > at the same time need less energy and power in the upper registers. This > offers the user the ability to customize their system. > > To illustrate a couple of vertically bi-amplified home systems, I would like > to share two examples used in my home: > > System number one has a pair of B&W 801 Nautilus loudspeakers. This > loudspeaker is a three-way design with a 15" woofer, a midrange driver and a > tweeter. The crossover has bi-wirable separate inputs for the woofer and one > for the tweeter midrange section. I have a pair of the new Cary Audio Design > Rocket 88 stereo amplifiers driven by the Cary SLP-2002 preamplifier. One of > the Rocket 88's is for the left channel and the other is for the right > channel. This is called a vertical bi-amp system. > > In this usage, one stereo amp is used for each channel with one channel > driving the 15" woofer and the other stereo channel driving the midrange > tweeter. Two separate sets of speaker cables are used for each loudspeaker. > The inputs of the Rocket 88 amplifiers are joined together with combining > interconnects that Cary Audio now offers. In this case they are balanced to > balanced "Y" connectors. I am running the channel that feeds the woofers in > the ultra-linear 40 watt per channel mode with the speaker impedance switch > set at 4 ohms. On the same Rocket 88 amplifier the midrange tweeter channel > is run in the 20-watt triode mode at 8-ohm output. The end result is > astonishing. The sound stage width and depth increased appreciably and even > when played at extremely loud levels the presentation stays focused and life > size. The sonic improvement over a single stereo amplifier is not subtle. > > System number two consists of a pair of Magnapan 1.6QR Planar loudspeakers. > This system uses two V12 stereo amplifiers. I have one channel of a stereo > V12 amplifier running in the ultra-linear 4-ohm position for the main bass & > midrange panel and the other channel operating in ultra-linear 8-ohm > position for the tweeter panel. This gives me great balance with more air in > the high frequencies, along with great control in the bass & mid-midrange. > Again, I've gotten fabulous results, even better than a single pair of V-12 > mono blocs! > > To sum up this dissertation, the following is offered in simple terms: > > 1. One stereo amplifier per channel, equals 4 channels of amplification > 2. Each stereo amp is dedicated to one channel vertical bi-amping > 3. The two inputs of each stereo amp are wired in parallel > 4. Outputs are wired separately to woofer and midrange tweeter inputs on > the loudspeaker > > ONE LAST AND VERY IMPORTANT NOTE, Please make sure ALL the power amplifiers > are genuine Cary Audio Design along with Cary Audio Design preamplifiers. > > Thank you so very much for your continued interest and support of Cary Audio > Design. > > Yours Truly, > Dennis J. Had > President > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carl C > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > Or, one acquires a speaker with a proprietary external active > > crossover or a > > speaker that has the amps/active crossovers built into the speaker as part > > of the design. Products by Naim, Linn, Paradigm, and Meyer come > > to mind and > > there are doubtless many others out there. The products that utilize > > external amps/crossovers might be more appealing from a service > > standpoint, > > though. The biggest issue with me is the relatively high cost > > and resulting > > inflexibility of this approach. Just take a look at what people > > recover for > > their all aktiv Linn systems vs what they put into the things at retail. > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > J. C. O'Connell > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:24 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > > electronic crossover is futile. The passive crossovers > > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > > refined in terms of their frequency and phase responses > > and the designers go to great lengths to get them just > > right. Attempting to replicate these curves electronically > > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much better off > > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency response > > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the speakers. > > JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Warren > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a properly designed > > > active crossover that splits the signal into two or more ways > > > and then an amplifier drives each individual driver. > > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple amps that is better > > > its the use of the active crossover on the line level signal > > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker level signals. > > > Warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two (2) amplifiers > > > driving two speakers? > > > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some useful links on > > > the subject? > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Ziegler [mailto:mikeziegler at attbi.com] Sent: Monday, 7 October 2002 2:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-3 Hello everyone, I was looking for some advice / help on a Nakamichi DR-3 that i just purchased used from someone. The problem is theres quite a bit of hum and hiss. -43 / -44 DB while just playing with no tape inside. -36 DB with blank tape playing. I've tried cleaning and demagnetizing, but neither have seemed to help. I've run it through regular wall outlet and a Furman power conditioner... nothing. Do any of you know of a quick fix?, what could be wrong? a cassette deck servicer in WA? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Mike Ziegler - mikeziegler at attbi.com ---------------------------------------------- "flux capacitor ... fluxing." - marty ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Oct 7 01:47:56 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:47:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parallel and Series, center channel References: <200210060729.JAA21687@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <003901c26d92$dda92da0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:11:20 -0700, "Carl C" wrote: > Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center > channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a > TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection > TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of > bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now > unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I > recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the > TV right next to it. As others have suggested, this is a bad idea, as you won't have a solid pinpoint center image. If you insist on doing this, I would split the signal from your preamp, and use 2 channels in the power amp for the 2 speakers. As Ron (I think) suggested, I would go with a phantom center before I would consider using a pair of speakers for the center channel. > Also, in the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new > with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations > on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank > you)? What do you have for speakers in the rest of your system? Something that matches your other speakers (same brand and series) is likely to be the best match. I would think that if you sell the Keilidhs and your current center speaker you would likely have enough money to get a horizontally oriented center speaker that can sit on top of or below your RPTV. I have mine mounted below my RPTV on a Sound Anchor stand. It is sitting just below screen height. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Oct 7 02:27:58 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 01:27:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Back on track - Nak Remotes Message-ID: <3DA6DEE8@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Thanks Kannan I will give it a try! Fred ===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >Fred >Download two service manuals on Nak server - one 582 and another Dragon - both show the wired remote connection diagram of the dEcks and 582 also has details about RM 580 and 580 needs +12V power from the Deck at the center pin( Check the maual - I am recalling it from memory) and Sragon doesnot have this 12V positive line on the Socket and so require wiring it from inside the deck- Actually bit of work because Dragon requires shorting the pins to Ground for each step like Play / Rec / FF etc. Even you can leave recording and use that for Rev play of Dragon. Check out the diagram , make a drawing of how to get this 12 V and wire up the whole thing. >Good luck >Kannan > >fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote >Hello guys, >I know there has been recent posts about remotes and the wiring of the decks, >but i would like to use an rm 580 on my Dragon, i realise that i woud not have >the facility for reverse play and that is ok, so if anyone knows the wiring of >the remote sockets---how could it be done? > >Fred Moss > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 04:30:08 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping In-Reply-To: <3D9F439A.38CBBC3C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20021007023008.71837.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> But doesn't an active xover have more distortion? Also, are any active xovers that work downstream of the amp? Javier --- Ron wrote: > > Well, opinions abound... Whoever wrote this advice > is wrong > on all counts. > > 1. Regardless of how well designed and 'refined' a > passive > xover is, it does have finite non-zero > resistance. > Getting rid of it is goodness. > > 2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under > the > sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By > 'any', I > mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers > utilize > well known characteristics that are very easy to > replicate. > > 3. Driving the passive xover with two amps offers NO > advantages whatsoever. > > We've gone over this before. Let's not repeat the > exercise. > > -- Ron > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > > electronic crossover is futile. The passive > crossovers > > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > > refined in terms of their frequency and phase > responses > > and the designers go to great lengths to get them > just > > right. Attempting to replicate these curves > electronically > > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much > better off > > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency > response > > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the > speakers. > > JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Warren > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a > properly designed > > > active crossover that splits the signal into two > or more ways > > > and then an amplifier drives each individual > driver. > > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple > amps that is better > > > its the use of the active crossover on the line > level signal > > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker > level signals. > > > Warren > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two > (2) amplifiers > > > driving two speakers? > > > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some > useful links on > > > the subject? > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Oct 7 04:53:11 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 19:53:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parallel and Series, center channel In-Reply-To: <003901c26d92$dda92da0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: I am using Audio Note ANj speakers for my main speakers. They are very high sensitivity speakers. I am thinking a Ruark Dialogue II or a Spendor center channel speaker might be the ticket but they are a bit pricey new. I am using the pair of Keilidhs (a short term solution only due to the lousy SAF) and they sound great as the center channel. With both of them angled inward to the listening position there is a very good center image. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of greynolds at newsguy.com Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 4:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parallel and Series, center channel On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:11:20 -0700, "Carl C" wrote: > Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current center > channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be placed under a > TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear projection > TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending a bunch of > bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now > unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I > recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of the > TV right next to it. As others have suggested, this is a bad idea, as you won't have a solid pinpoint center image. If you insist on doing this, I would split the signal from your preamp, and use 2 channels in the power amp for the 2 speakers. As Ron (I think) suggested, I would go with a phantom center before I would consider using a pair of speakers for the center channel. > Also, in the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they are as new > with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any recommendations > on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 retail, thank > you)? What do you have for speakers in the rest of your system? Something that matches your other speakers (same brand and series) is likely to be the best match. I would think that if you sell the Keilidhs and your current center speaker you would likely have enough money to get a horizontally oriented center speaker that can sit on top of or below your RPTV. I have mine mounted below my RPTV on a Sound Anchor stand. It is sitting just below screen height. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Mon Oct 7 05:03:42 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 23:03:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Parallel and Series, center channel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: WIRING 2 SPEAKERS IN SERIES IS USUALLY A BAD IDEA, THE AMPLIFIER WILL NOT HAVE GOOD CONTROL OF EITHER ( POOR DAMPING FACTOR). IF I WERE YOU I'D JUST USE ONE. JCO > > > > On Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:11:20 -0700, "Carl C" wrote: > > > Since we are talking wire and speakers I have a dilemna. My current > center > > channel speaker is floog standing; ie, it is intended to be > placed under a > > TV. Well, that does not work too well with a floor standing rear > projection > > TV (recently acquired). So, rather than going out and spending > a bunch of > > bux on a new center channel speaker I was considering employing my now > > unused Linn Keilidh speakers together as a center channel speaker. I > > recollect that they are shielded so I could place them on either side of > the > > TV right next to it. > > As others have suggested, this is a bad idea, as you won't have a solid > pinpoint center image. If you insist on doing this, I would split the > signal from your preamp, and use 2 channels in the power amp for the 2 > speakers. As Ron (I think) suggested, I would go with a phantom center > before I would consider using a pair of speakers for the center channel. > > > Also, in the event I manage to sell the Keilidhs for a fair price (they > are as new > > with the Linn stands, no factory boxes though) are there any > recommendations > > on a reasonable priced center channel speaker (less than 700 > retail, thank > > you)? > > What do you have for speakers in the rest of your system? Something that > matches your other speakers (same brand and series) is likely to > be the best > match. > > I would think that if you sell the Keilidhs and your current > center speaker > you would likely have enough money to get a horizontally oriented center > speaker that can sit on top of or below your RPTV. I have mine mounted > below my RPTV on a Sound Anchor stand. It is sitting just below screen > height. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Oct 7 16:07:13 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 09:07:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-3 Message-ID: Hello Mike, Two areas of possibility that I can think of: bad filter capacitors in the power supply circuit and/or a ground loop caused by one of the circuit boards not being "firmly" held in place by one or more of the mounting screws. The latter was the cure for a problem I had with my 680ZX. That one was solved by Stephen telling me which screw would likely be the culprit; even told me what components were in the area! Just a couple of ideas that came to mind, there are very likely others that other nakfolk can send your way. Hope you get this solved so you can enjoy the music! Best regards, Kent Merideth Somewhere in central Indiana where the Wigwam still stands. >>> mikeziegler at attbi.com 10/06/02 11:15AM >>> Hello everyone, I was looking for some advice / help on a Nakamichi DR-3 that i just purchased used from someone. The problem is theres quite a bit of hum and hiss. -43 / -44 DB while just playing with no tape inside. -36 DB with blank tape playing. I've tried cleaning and demagnetizing, but neither have seemed to help. I've run it through regular wall outlet and a Furman power conditioner... nothing. Do any of you know of a quick fix?, what could be wrong? a cassette deck servicer in WA? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Mike Ziegler - mikeziegler at attbi.com ---------------------------------------------- "flux capacitor ... fluxing." - marty ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikeziegler at attbi.com Mon Oct 7 17:24:32 2002 From: mikeziegler at attbi.com (Mike Ziegler) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:24:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak DR-3 References: Message-ID: <004b01c26e15$a2fca4b0$ad12e50c@one> Thanks for the suggestions Tom and Kent, I tried the whole tighening on the screws on the circuit board, but that didn't help. Didn't want to mess with the filter capacitor, so i've decided to send it back in return for a newer DR-8. Hopefully this one won't have any problems. What should the hiss rate be db-wise for a 100% working DR-8? Thanks again! Mike Ziegler ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: mikeziegler at attbi.com ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak DR-3 Hello Mike, Two areas of possibility that I can think of: bad filter capacitors in the power supply circuit and/or a ground loop caused by one of the circuit boards not being "firmly" held in place by one or more of the mounting screws. The latter was the cure for a problem I had with my 680ZX. That one was solved by Stephen telling me which screw would likely be the culprit; even told me what components were in the area! Just a couple of ideas that came to mind, there are very likely others that other nakfolk can send your way. Hope you get this solved so you can enjoy the music! Best regards, Kent Merideth Somewhere in central Indiana where the Wigwam still stands. >>> mikeziegler at attbi.com 10/06/02 11:15AM >>> Hello everyone, I was looking for some advice / help on a Nakamichi DR-3 that i just purchased used from someone. The problem is theres quite a bit of hum and hiss. -43 / -44 DB while just playing with no tape inside. -36 DB with blank tape playing. I've tried cleaning and demagnetizing, but neither have seemed to help. I've run it through regular wall outlet and a Furman power conditioner... nothing. Do any of you know of a quick fix?, what could be wrong? a cassette deck servicer in WA? Anything would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Mike Ziegler - mikeziegler at attbi.com ---------------------------------------------- "flux capacitor ... fluxing." - marty ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Oct 7 17:46:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 11:46:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping References: <20021007023008.71837.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DA1AC4E.A86A2B69@rcn.com> Javier Perez wrote: > > But doesn't an active xover have more distortion? Not necessarily. In many cases, the reverse is true. Depends on the specific active and passive networks under consideration. It's like asking, "But, isn't a Diesel engine more powerful?" Remember, all generalizations are false :-). > Also, are any active xovers that work downstream of > the amp? No. At that point, you are dealing with high current. Electronic xovers deal with voltage. -- Ron > Javier > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > Well, opinions abound... Whoever wrote this advice > > is wrong > > on all counts. > > > > 1. Regardless of how well designed and 'refined' a > > passive > > xover is, it does have finite non-zero > > resistance. > > Getting rid of it is goodness. > > > > 2. You can replicate *any* passive xover curve under > > the > > sun with an equivalent electronic xover. By > > 'any', I > > mean, BAR NONE. In any case, most passive xovers > > utilize > > well known characteristics that are very easy to > > replicate. > > > > 3. Driving the passive xover with two amps offers NO > > advantages whatsoever. > > > > We've gone over this before. Let's not repeat the > > exercise. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > > > > I've read very recently that attempting to use an > > > electronic crossover is futile. The passive > > crossovers > > > in well designed loudspeaker systems are extremely > > > refined in terms of their frequency and phase > > responses > > > and the designers go to great lengths to get them > > just > > > right. Attempting to replicate these curves > > electronically > > > is very difficult if not impossible. Youre much > > better off > > > using two stereo amps with wideband flat frequency > > response > > > and UTILIZE the passive crossover networks in the > > speakers. > > > JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Warren > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 11:38 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > > > > Done right requires an active crossover. > > > > in otherwords the preamp signal goes to a > > properly designed > > > > active crossover that splits the signal into two > > or more ways > > > > and then an amplifier drives each individual > > driver. > > > > But in my opinion its not the use of multiple > > amps that is better > > > > its the use of the active crossover on the line > > level signal > > > > instead of a passive crossover using speaker > > level signals. > > > > Warren > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Corporate Communications" > > > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:36 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Bi-Amping > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > > > Does correct ("done right") biamping require two > > (2) amplifiers > > > > driving two speakers? > > > > > > > > Would apreciate if you could please provide some > > useful links on > > > > the subject? > > > > > > > > Many thanks. > > > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Mon Oct 7 17:49:21 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:49:21 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Calibration References: <01C1DD8F.EFAAE220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DA1AD01.000004.01856@honrado-oan18i1> Hello all: I hope this isn't heresy but I just acquired a used Victor TD-V931 cassette recorder for a price I couldn't resist. This seems to be a Japanese domestic semi-pro model judging from a number of Japanese studios listing them as standard equipment, however, information isn't widely available on the Net and I don't read Japanese. I am hoping that a kindly Nakker, perhaps one who familiar with Japanese, can show me the way. I've successfully recorded on chrome and metal tape even though it didn't come with a manual but I'm playing it by ear. I'm fairly happy with the results but I just know there's much room for improvement if I could only calibrate correctly before recording. The unit does not (or I don't know how to} generate a 400hz nor a 15khz test tone (unlike the Dragon) to set the recording level and bias but it DOES have a "Level" and "Bias" setting knobs. To play safe I just put place them at their midpoints and start recording, keep a sharp eye on the level indicator' and "nurse" the input level knob. I think there ARE other Nak models with similar features (sans test tones) and a correct way to calibrate for various tapes (I, II or IV) and brands (Maxell, TDK). What Nak models are these and how are they calibrated? Thank you for any advice, some useful links or even just how to obtain the equivalent export model and I'll work my way from there. Many thanx! Mariano Honrado -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Oct 7 19:12:17 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 13:12:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk TD-350 installation help request In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020715130110.00ac6ec0@winter-harbor.com> Message-ID: <3DA18831.18806.13CF9B0@localhost> Thomas- I came across the Owner's Manual for the TD-350. Do you still need any information from it? Here is what the wiring map indicates: blue wire - power antenna control yellow - battery connection red - ignition connection blue/white - remote power amp on/off orange/white - panel illumination Black RCA's - line output The speaker connector has four wires on it: gray - gray/black for right speaker white - white/black for left speaker the striped wire is negative and the solid wire positive. I can make a copy of this and send it to you. I owe the original manual to the guy who bought the 350 from me. Tim Interestingly enough, I recall the actual deck as being a TD-350, and saying that right on the front. But the manual keeps calling it an RD-350. On 15 Jul 2002 at 13:52, Thomas, Winter Harbor Software wrote: Date sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:09 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: "Thomas, Winter Harbor Software" Subject: [naktalk] naktalk TD-350 installation help request Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi. I am a new subscriber to the list and normally would read for a > while before submitting to the list, but in this case need help soon > and am hoping the message will be appropriate in content! > > > TD-350 & Mobile CD Installation help Request > > I have purchased a used Nak TD-350 mobile cassette deck / receiver, as > well as a mobile CD changer to go with it. > > The difficulty is that the TD-350 came without any owner's manual, > wiring schematic, or installation instructions. If anyone has a > schematic, install instructions or similar, and could send a copy it > would be greatly appreciated! > > Or perhaps someone could answer advice about installing this deck. I > have already purchased a wiring harness for this deck / my car and > have matched up the wires except for the following (a) one unlabeled > blue wire with white stripe on the TD-350 that I could not identify, > (b) a "dimmer" wire that was for the previous radio that I could not > match to the TD350, plus (c) I am wondering about the typical > installation application of the Pre-Out Rear RCA's (which are a cable > on the back of the deck) and the RCA's which output from back of the > deck with no cable. (d) red black and yellow wires on the TD-350 were > unlabeled but have matched up with red,black,and yellow on the > third-party wiring harness that I purchased; just to be sure I'd like > to confirm that I've got them right though (I am expecting that they > are power) (e) one light blue wire on a din-type connector (only the > single conductor, blue wire, goes to it) for the original radio; this > was a bose system that had a main and sub antenna by the way. > > Finally - a puzzle (the cause of which may be explained by my lack of > a schematic and incomplete wiring). I have been experimenting with > the unit a little bit and have been successful in wiring power and > audio output from TD-350 to speakers through the standard wiring > harness .. and have been able to play FM receiver out to speakers. > This helped to confirm that the unit was working because it was > purchased used and this was the first test after purchasing it. BUT > even though there is audio output from FM there is no audio output > from TAPE. I insert a cassette, the front panel reads TAPE, the > cassette plays, but there is no audio output. Same problem for the CD > changer; the unit switches source to the CD changer, reads "cdc" on > the front panel, starts the disc spinning and everything is normal > except no audio output. There is good audio output with FM receiver > which makes me think at least I have done something right with wiring > speaker output. > > Until I saw this problem I would have guessed that the audio signal > path switching between FM/TAPE/CD would be completely internal to the > TD-350 unit so this should not be affected by installation ... that is > to say, "if FM output works then TAPE output built into the TD-350 > should also work to the same extent .. and if tape unit is having a > problem at least the CD unit audio output would work". Now I am > wondering if this is not true -- and am a little puzzled by the > observed behavior. > > Can anyone offer some guidance? > Many thanks. > > Tom > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 7 21:20:37 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 02:20:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Calibration References: <01C1DD8F.EFAAE220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3DA1AD01.000004.01856@honrado-oan18i1> Message-ID: <009001c26e36$9eab21e0$10299bca@smarzuki> Hi Mariano, If you have another deck / nak with test tone facilities then easiest way would be to connect it to line in of your Victor, put a dummy tape on the nak, record the wanted tones and put the nak switch on "source". Usually the nak will put the test tones out and you can use it to test your Victor. Second easiest way would be to connect the line out of your PC sound card into the Victor and use sound editing program like cool edit to generate 400 hz (0 db) and 15k (-20 db) test tones (or burn a CD with those test tones and play it on CD player). The 3 head Naks sans test tones that i remember are LX5, RX505, BX300, CR3, CR5 - one would need to trim 'by ear' and it's very difficult for me to find the optimum point. Hope that helps & good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tape Calibration Hello all: I hope this isn't heresy but I just acquired a used Victor TD-V931 cassette recorder for a price I couldn't resist. This seems to be a Japanese domestic semi-pro model judging from a number of Japanese studios listing them as standard equipment, however, information isn't widely available on the Net and I don't read Japanese. I am hoping that a kindly Nakker, perhaps one who familiar with Japanese, can show me the way. I've successfully recorded on chrome and metal tape even though it didn't come with a manual but I'm playing it by ear. I'm fairly happy with the results but I just know there's much room for improvement if I could only calibrate correctly before recording. The unit does not (or I don't know how to} generate a 400hz nor a 15khz test tone (unlike the Dragon) to set the recording level and bias but it DOES have a "Level" and "Bias" setting knobs. To play safe I just put place them at their midpoints and start recording, keep a sharp eye on the level indicator' and "nurse" the input level knob. I think there ARE other Nak models with similar features (sans test tones) and a correct way to calibrate for various tapes (I, II or IV) and brands (Maxell, TDK). What Nak models are these and how are they calibrated? Thank you for any advice, some useful links or even just how to obtain the equivalent export model and I'll work my way from there. Many thanx! Mariano Honrado ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 21:11:13 2002 From: fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com (Fahad Abu Al-Saud) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gear Upgrade Message-ID: <20021007191113.32675.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Naktalk, How can someone know, if his CR7 has a gear upgrade done ready or not? What is the difference between, the gear idler and the rubber idler? Which one last longer, and what is the estimate age for both if the deck is been used regularly? Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thom at winter-harbor.com Tue Oct 8 16:47:23 2002 From: thom at winter-harbor.com (Thomas, Winter Harbor Software) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 10:47:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TD-350 manual (was TD-350 installation help request) In-Reply-To: <3DA18831.18806.13CF9B0@localhost> References: <5.0.2.1.0.20020715130110.00ac6ec0@winter-harbor.com> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021008104431.01fa1720@winter-harbor.com> Tim, thanks for the info. Yes, still interested in the manual for the TD-350. I'll write with mailing info. Thanks again! Thomas ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 8 19:47:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:47:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Tonearm lengths In-Reply-To: <000101c26d23$9c983960$fdd5193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c26ef2$cc6c8440$e44b87d9@oemcomputer> Forgive this OT question but it's a query that's burning my little brain at the moment ... Can anyone tell me why tonearms come in different lengths? Does it make a difference? I have often heard that the SME3012 is "better" than the SME3009 yet it occurs to me that the shorter arm must, by virtue of its design, have the shorter signal path ... Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Tue Oct 8 20:57:11 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:57:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Tonearm lengths References: <000001c26ef2$cc6c8440$e44b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DA32A87.65822515@snip.net> Graham, While I'm sure Ron or Steve can give you a more detailed answer, the theoretical reason longer is better is because as the arm traverses the record during playing, there is less of percentage angle deviation from the theoretically perfect perpendicular tracking angle (which is achieved at only two spots by a pivoted arm , but is achieved all across the record by a straight line tracking arm). The loss, if any, due to the extra 3" is negligible or non-existent. However, the engineering and "Frictionless-ness" (to invent a term) is much more important, and given a longer arm's greater inertia and mass, the engineering for a longer arm is that much more difficult. Hope this helps. John Graham Nelson wrote: > Forgive this OT question but it's a query that's burning my little brain at > the moment ... Can anyone tell me why tonearms come in different lengths? > Does it make a difference? I have often heard that the SME3012 is "better" > than the SME3009 yet it occurs to me that the shorter arm must, by virtue of > its design, have the shorter signal path ... > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Oct 8 22:41:35 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:41:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Tonearm lengths References: <000001c26ef2$cc6c8440$e44b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <022101c26f0b$188fdd00$70f43fd0@oemcomputer> In theory longer tonearms have reduced tracking error and reduced skating problems. When you lengthen the effective length you get a smaller offset angle and better alignment as the stylus traces accross the record.In practice it depends on how well the longer arm is designed. You have more mass to deal with given a longer arm. The other advatage of a 12 inch arm is the ability to play 16 inch discs. If you can find a rich friend with an audiocraft arm he could demonstrate the differences between S shaped and J shaped arms and 9 and 12 inch lengths. morch also has swappable 12 and 9 inch tubes. Sme produces the 300 series as a 312 too. As far as the extra wiring an extra two or three inches is going to make any difference. If you want to play with the math for this check out http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/messages/62570.html Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Tue Oct 8 23:21:34 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 01:21:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Tonearm lengths In-Reply-To: <000001c26ef2$cc6c8440$e44b87d9@oemcomputer> References: <000001c26ef2$cc6c8440$e44b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <356.021009@mtu-net.ru> Hello Graham, A very serious question, indeed. Everything about this you can find in Radiotron Designers Hand Book. Longer tonearm - less angle mistake. Sometimes this angle mistake, and also proper cartridge alignment, is much more significant than the lenth of tonearm cable. Regards, Vladimir. âòîðíèê, 8 îêòÿáðÿ 2002 ã., you wrote to me: GN> Forgive this OT question but it's a query that's burning my little brain at GN> the moment ... Can anyone tell me why tonearms come in different lengths? GN> Does it make a difference? I have often heard that the SME3012 is "better" GN> than the SME3009 yet it occurs to me that the shorter arm must, by virtue of GN> its design, have the shorter signal path ... GN> Graham GN> --- GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). GN> Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Tue Oct 8 23:52:03 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:52:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Tonearm lengths In-Reply-To: <356.021009@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <000001c26f14$f0633de0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> If u check out VPI's web site, you'll see that they actually make tonearms in two lengths--10" & 12". Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Vladimir Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:22 PM To: Graham Nelson Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Tonearm lengths Hello Graham, A very serious question, indeed. Everything about this you can find in Radiotron Designers Hand Book. Longer tonearm - less angle mistake. Sometimes this angle mistake, and also proper cartridge alignment, is much more significant than the lenth of tonearm cable. Regards, Vladimir. âòîðíèê, 8 îêòÿáðÿ 2002 ã., you wrote to me: GN> Forgive this OT question but it's a query that's burning my little brain at GN> the moment ... Can anyone tell me why tonearms come in different lengths? GN> Does it make a difference? I have often heard that the SME3012 is "better" GN> than the SME3009 yet it occurs to me that the shorter arm must, by virtue of GN> its design, have the shorter signal path ... GN> Graham GN> --- GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). GN> Version: 6.0.394 / Virus Database: 224 - Release Date: 03/10/02 GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Oct 10 05:43:01 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:43:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 References: <20021009225514.45363.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008c01c2700f$250ca040$383442cf@cta> Sorry, I don't think any of us quite understood your question the first time. The CR-7 got the factory gear drive a couple of years into it's production run, so early units don't have it unless converted later on. To be sure of a factory gear drive, you have to get one that is serial number A130-11000 or higher. These will also have the factory record equalisation corrections, which were implemented at A130-08677. Reliability of gear drive CR-7 is darn near perfect. With many, many hours of use, the only things that might develop are the need for lubrication of the capstan shaft bearings & once in a while, reel & mode drive motors will get excessive carbon build-up on their brushes & need overhaul or replacement. Other than these things, longevity is extremely good. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 > Dear Naktalk, > > This is my second message regarding the CR7. > > I need to know if the CR7 has a gear upgrade done > ready from the manufacturer or not? > > How long does the CR7 with the upgrade last? > > > > > > > Regards, > > Fahad > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More > http://faith.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Thu Oct 10 17:12:52 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:12:52 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tape Calibration References: <009001c26e36$9eab21e0$10299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3DA598F4.000003.00800@honrado-oan18i1> Thanx Kannan and Salim! I'm going to try the suggestions this weekend and looking forward to download the Nak 582 service manual.. I think the tone generation idea is specially appealing since the Dragon puts out a 400hz and 15khz test tones. Thanks again gentlemen! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 15:25:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tape Calibration Hi Mariano, If you have another deck / nak with test tone facilities then easiest way would be to connect it to line in of your Victor, put a dummy tape on the nak, record the wanted tones and put the nak switch on "source". Usually the nak will put the test tones out and you can use it to test your Victor. Second easiest way would be to connect the line out of your PC sound card into the Victor and use sound editing program like cool edit to generate 400 hz (0 db) and 15k (-20 db) test tones (or burn a CD with those test tones and play it on CD player). The 3 head Naks sans test tones that i remember are LX5, RX505, BX300, CR3, CR5 - one would need to trim 'by ear' and it's very difficult for me to find the optimum point. Hope that helps & good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tape Calibration Hello all: I hope this isn't heresy but I just acquired a used Victor TD-V931 cassette recorder for a price I couldn't resist. This seems to be a Japanese domestic semi-pro model judging from a number of Japanese studios listing them as standard equipment, however, information isn't widely available on the Net and I don't read Japanese. I am hoping that a kindly Nakker, perhaps one who familiar with Japanese, can show me the way. I've successfully recorded on chrome and metal tape even though it didn't come with a manual but I'm playing it by ear. I'm fairly happy with the results but I just know there's much room for improvement if I could only calibrate correctly before recording. The unit does not (or I don't know how to} generate a 400hz nor a 15khz test tone (unlike the Dragon) to set the recording level and bias but it DOES have a "Level" and "Bias" setting knobs. To play safe I just put place them at their midpoints and start recording, keep a sharp eye on the level indicator' and "nurse" the input level knob. I think there ARE other Nak models with similar features (sans test tones) and a correct way to calibrate for various tapes (I, II or IV) and brands (Maxell, TDK). What Nak models are these and how are they calibrated? Thank you for any advice, some useful links or even just how to obtain the equivalent export model and I'll work my way from there. Many thanx! Mariano Honrado ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Oct 11 01:45:38 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:45:38 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] TX-1000 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CD2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey guys, here is a TX-1000 up for auction. Is $2473 cheap for this unit? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=911233860 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Oct 11 02:40:15 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:40:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: center search turntables Message-ID: <20021010.204015.-254269.2.josephj69@juno.com> Hey guys, Regarding the discussion of the Nak turntables here a couple of weeks back, I recall someone saying that no other turntable manufacturer had offered a center search function on their tables. It looks like that's about to change. I picked up a British hifi magazine last night, and the news section recported that the new Townshend Reference table will offer a center search function as an option. It won't be available when the table is first introducted. I think it said it will be offered after about six months. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Fri Oct 11 18:49:40 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] TX-1000 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CD2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Hello... On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hey guys, here is a TX-1000 up for auction. Is $2473 cheap for this unit? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=911233860 > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos Well, a local audio store, Q Audio in Cambridge, MA, USA (www.qaudio.com) is offering a TX-1000 turntable for $6995. So compared to that, $2473 is a bargain! joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Oct 11 20:58:49 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:58:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] TX-1000 References: Message-ID: <000401c27158$3cc37b60$9d199bca@smarzuki> Just noticed and really surprised that it came from a remote town in Indonesia ! That smart guy knew he'd receive less than $500 if sold locally. :-( Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Herda To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TX-1000 Hello... On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hey guys, here is a TX-1000 up for auction. Is $2473 cheap for this unit? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=911233860 > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos Well, a local audio store, Q Audio in Cambridge, MA, USA (www.qaudio.com) is offering a TX-1000 turntable for $6995. So compared to that, $2473 is a bargain! joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at cox.net Sat Oct 12 03:31:31 2002 From: csteele at cox.net (Christopher) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:31:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Connecticut Help Needed Message-ID: <3DA77B73.79C3EA35@cox.net> Fellow Nakers: As part of a Birthday present for a lovely young lady, I need the help of someone who lives in Connecticut to record a Friday evening radio program and -- somehow! -- get it to me so I can put one tune from the show on a music CD, the CD being the Birthday present ... you see . If you can pick up WVOF FM, 88.5 out of Fairfield Conn. and want to discuss helping me, please E-mail me at csteele at cox.net. Thanks! Christopher Steele ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Sat Oct 12 14:30:26 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:30:26 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: References: <20021010190517.61E3511492D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DA815E2.000001.03372@honrado-oan18i1> Kannan: This bit of information is new to me specially since the Dragon user's manual mention nothing the about this. So, leaving the Victor aside, I'm wondering why would Nak meters (or do they merely *tend*?) to "show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB"? Is a puzzlement. Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 15:55:51 To: naktalk at naks.com One of the important facts about Nak meters are that they show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB ; ie the Signal is generally higher level than what is shown on these meters. These meters are fairly accurate at around 0 dB levels for low frequency Signals like 400Hz level but not for high freq signals. Dragon meter is calibrated at 15 Khz for -20 DB using the switch to show the same with 20 dB boost for accurate bias calibration. But if your Dragon is not recently calibrated, you will find that 15 Khz signal may be higher than necessary level for the Victor deck. So reduce the 15 Khz signal to get the bias calibration more accurately on Victor. Kannan mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote Thanx Kannan and Salim! I'm going to try the suggestions this weekend and looking forward to download the Nak 582 service manual.. I think the tone generation idea is specially appealing since the Dragon puts out a 400hz and 15khz test tones. Thanks again gentlemen! Mariano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Oct 12 17:11:52 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:41:52 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] - Nak meters Message-ID: <20021012151152.54A5711495B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Oct 12 19:20:56 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:20:56 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz SD-60 question References: <20021012151152.54A5711495B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Hi everyione! Just received SD-60. Quick look and I didn't find any calibration turn-on switches. But there are two knobs for tuning - bias and record. So is there no "on meter" calibrations? Only "by hearing"? If anyone familiar with this machine please advice! Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Oct 12 19:13:41 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 10:13:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: noise from amp ruining tapes on nak cr7 In-Reply-To: <3DA815E2.000001.03372@honrado-oan18i1> Message-ID: while listening to a tape on my cr7 last night I was doing a little dusting on the equipment and noticed a soft but very distinct noise coming from my parasond hca 1206 (6 channel amp); kind of like a very fast, soft percussion sound..always sounds the same...can hear it better from the rear of the amp any practical suggestions or direct experience? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Kannan: This bit of information is new to me specially since the Dragon user's manual mention nothing the about this. So, leaving the Victor aside, I'm wondering why would Nak meters (or do they merely *tend*?) to "show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB"? Is a puzzlement. Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 15:55:51 To: naktalk at naks.com One of the important facts about Nak meters are that they show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB ; ie the Signal is generally higher level than what is shown on these meters. These meters are fairly accurate at around 0 dB levels for low frequency Signals like 400Hz level but not for high freq signals. Dragon meter is calibrated at 15 Khz for -20 DB using the switch to show the same with 20 dB boost for accurate bias calibration. But if your Dragon is not recently calibrated, you will find that 15 Khz signal may be higher than necessary level for the Victor deck. So reduce the 15 Khz signal to get the bias calibration more accurately on Victor. Kannan mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote Thanx Kannan and Salim! I'm going to try the suggestions this weekend and looking forward to download the Nak 582 service manual.. I think the tone generation idea is specially appealing since the Dragon puts out a 400hz and 15khz test tones. Thanks again gentlemen! Mariano ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00107.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From RUINTHERE at aol.com Sat Oct 12 20:27:18 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:27:18 EDT Subject: [naktalk] josephj69@juno.com Message-ID: <151.15c018af.2ad9c386@aol.com> Joe, I have a WE-308 tonearm, I believe you or someone email'd me the info on it once. But the evil Overlords of my hard-drive emancipated it. It's gone along with lots of other info. (Next time I burn a CD). Is it possible to get info from you? DagW00d In a message dated 3/23/02 6:43:33 PM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: No, the SAEC's are absolutely SUPERB arms, but a lot of purists don't like them because they use weird overhang geometry that is very nonstandard. They must be set up according to SAEC's explicit instructions or they don't perform well. The setup minimizes tracking error at the inner groove rather than the outer groove, which is part of the design of their elaborate antiskate system. It's explained in an essay called "SAEC Concept." I have a copy around here that I can scan if anyone gives a rat's behind. > josephj69 at juno.com > "Tigers older brother DAG" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Oct 13 02:12:05 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 00:12:05 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Request for help - OT Message-ID: Hi all, Sorry for this, but I am wondering if anyone based in USA can help me? I am interested in getting some speaker drive units from Ebay, but the seller in Oragne County, California, confirmed he will only ship to USA, so is there anyone who can help me out by receiving the speaker drive units and then resend it to me? Obviously I will pay for all costs involved should I win the auction. Thanks in advance...... The item in question is Item # 1387492063 (Focal bass drivers I am thinking of using in my car) Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Oct 13 02:32:10 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:32:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: References: <20021010190517.61E3511492D@webmail.vsnl.com> <3DA815E2.000001.03372@honrado-oan18i1> Message-ID: <3DA8BF09.EFBF553A@snet.net> I've never noticed this myself and have used various Nakamichi meters for test purposes in a pinch over a wide frequency range where they have been fed with a signal generator that is known to be within a 1 db window of flat response. Ed "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." wrote: > Kannan: This bit of information is new to me specially since the Dragon user's manual mention nothing the about this. So, leaving the Victor aside, I'm wondering why would Nak meters (or do they merely *tend*?) to "show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB"? Is a puzzlement. Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 15:55:51 To: naktalk at naks.com One of the important facts about Nak meters are that they show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB ; ie the Signal is generally higher level than what is shown on these meters. These meters are fairly accurate at around 0 dB levels for low frequency Signals like 400Hz level but not for high freq signals. Dragon meter is calibrated at 15 Khz for -20 DB using the switch to show the same with 20 dB boost for accurate bias calibration. But if your Dragon is not recently calibrated, you will find that 15 Khz signal may be higher than necessary level for the Victor deck. So reduce the 15 Khz signal to get the bias calibration more accurately on Victor. Kannan mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote Thanx Kannan and Salim! I'm going to try the suggestions this weekend and looking forward to download the Nak 582 service manual.. I think the tone generation idea is specially appealing since the Dragon puts out a 400hz and 15khz test tones. Thanks again gentlemen! Mariano > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: /Krusty/Temporary%20Items/nsmail7.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sun Oct 13 02:39:04 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:39:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] - Nak meters References: <20021012151152.54A5711495B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DA8C0A7.F195FD22@snet.net> The main reason for the 20 db boost when setting bias levels is simply to get the meter deflection up to a level where the meters will show with much greater accuracy... down at -20 you have one segment below that with a 10db difference and one segment above that's about 5 db higher (as opposed to the 0 db level where the adjacent indicators are only a db or so away). With just about all the Nakamichi decks that have non-needle type meters (680 series being the exception) the range is still pretty coarse and I often will try to calibrate other machines by setting so that the exact level I'm looking for is right on the threshold of lighting the next highest indicator (or I just use my very trusty 700 meters). Interestingly, I've found that my cheap digital VTVM is far less accurate at high frequencies. Ed kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Generally meters are not very accurate due to the nature of the circuit to convert the sine wave in to a +VE DC voltage. The meters should have the speed of showing you the variation as well as peak portion of the wave form. The meters on a recording studios are more accurate and are expansive ( called VU meters on the recording console) > However your cassette deck meters should show the low frequency high amplitude signal more accurately than high frequency part to avoid tape saturation during actual music recordings. The high frequency content in actual music is much less than -20dB level compared 1KHz signal. But you need steady high frequency signal at -20dB to set the correct bias. > So Dragon's meter circuit boosts the Meter reading by 20dB when you select the calibration mode to show accurate values. But the metering circuit itself drifts with temperature and need calibration once in while for accuracy > For this reason I use a VTVM ( Thanks to Stephen ) to measure these to be accurate > Hope you understood > Kannan > mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote > Kannan: > > This bit of information is new to me specially since the Dragon user's > manual mention nothing the about this. So, leaving the Victor aside, I'm > wondering why would Nak meters (or do they merely *tend*?) to "show high > frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB"? > > Is a puzzlement. > > Mariano > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 15:55:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > One of the important facts about Nak meters are that they show high frquency > signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB ; ie the Signal is generally > higher level than what is shown on these meters. These meters are fairly > accurate at around 0 dB levels for low frequency Signals like 400Hz level > but not for high freq signals. > > Dragon meter is calibrated at 15 Khz for -20 DB using the switch to show the > same with 20 dB boost for accurate bias calibration. But if your Dragon is > not recently calibrated, you will find that 15 Khz signal may be higher than > necessary level for the Victor deck. > > So reduce the 15 Khz signal to get the bias calibration more accurately on > Victor. > > Kannan > > mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote > > Thanx Kannan and Salim! > > I'm going to try the suggestions this weekend and looking forward to > > download the Nak 582 service manual.. > > I think the tone generation idea is specially appealing since the Dragon > > puts out a 400hz and 15khz test tones. > > Thanks again gentlemen! > > Mariano > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Oct 13 05:27:18 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 20:27:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Digital Cameras References: <20021009225514.45363.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> <008c01c2700f$250ca040$383442cf@cta> Message-ID: <000701c27268$6f857e20$cbb606cf@rolandtthxyvvs> This should be labeled "WOT" for way off topic, but since we have a vast knowledge base here, I'm hoping some of you may have an opinion. I need to buy a decent digital camera, not an SLR, just a point and shoot and would like to spend more than $400 - 500. I don't need anything with very high resolution just a good quality camera. I had been looking at the Canon Elph 200. I'm replacing a Pentax 35mm IQ Zoom 200 and changing to digital. Feel free to reply privately since this may or may not interest others in the group. Please reply to: roleo at telus.net Thanx guys, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Oct 13 07:39:06 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:09:06 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk -Re - nak meters Message-ID: <20021013053906.B1663114A04@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sun Oct 13 18:04:13 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:04:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug In-Reply-To: <3DA8BF09.EFBF553A@snet.net> Message-ID: <010401c272d2$2d22cff0$217ba8c0@henry> I have several auctions of used but bulk erased Maxell MX90 cassettes on eBay if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365619 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365677 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365769 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365838 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365887 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365726 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365800 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365859 The tapes that are black with yellow lettering are newest (# 1389365887, 1389365838, 1389365769, 1389365677, 1389365619), and those that are black with silver and purple are the older (# 1389365859, 1389365800, 1389365726). Thanks, Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 13 22:23:48 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 21:23:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug References: <010401c272d2$2d22cff0$217ba8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3DA9D654.2050200@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> It would have been polite to warn non-US site members that your auctions were not for them! John Walker, Portland, UK ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 14 00:13:11 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 08:13:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CDA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Well that exclude me out. I would have love to snapped up some of these beauties but I live in Australia, Doh! Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Timothy H. Jackson [mailto:t.h.jackson at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 2:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug I have several auctions of used but bulk erased Maxell MX90 cassettes on eBay if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365619 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365677 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365769 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365838 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365887 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365726 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365800 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365859 The tapes that are black with yellow lettering are newest (# 1389365887, 1389365838, 1389365769, 1389365677, 1389365619), and those that are black with silver and purple are the older (# 1389365859, 1389365800, 1389365726). Thanks, Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Oct 14 00:40:04 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:40:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk -Re - nak meters In-Reply-To: <20021013053906.B1663114A04@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DA9BE04.19151.1BBEE86@localhost> Gentlemen- Since my sister's plain vanilla 480 was on the bench, I took the opportunity to do a quick check on the VU meters. Using a Sound Technology 1700B on the deck's line input and a Tektronix scope monitoring the input to verify signal flatness, I cranked up a 1kHz signal til the VU meter said 0dB, then swept the signal up and down the spectrum. Here is how the VU meter read at various points: 10 - 40 Hz -1 dB 50 Hz to 3 kHz 0 dB 4k to 12 kHz rising to +1dB 12k to 19 kHz falling to 0 dB 20k to 21 kHz falling to -1 dB 24 kHz -2 dB 26 kHz -3 dB 30 kHz -6 dB 50 kHz -20 dB I didn't see any point in collecting lots of data points after 26 kHz. And I didn't check for meter linearity by running the same test at different VU levels. For my purposes, I consider the meters to have a flat response. It is true that the Naks with built in test tones change the meter sensitivity during calibration so that the user will have an easier time adjusting bias and levels, but I'd be surprised if any of the modern Naks had meters which exhibited performance less than that shown above during normal record and playback. However, if anyone would like to send me their ZX-7, ZX-9, or Dragon, I'd be more than pleased to check their meters for them. Be prepared to leave it with me for several months. :-) Cheers! Tim On 13 Oct 2002 at 11:09, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Surprisingly 582 meters ( needle type) is accurate at 20 Khz -20 db > level than even CR7 meters- use an oscilloscope and check as any other > digital meters need calibration unless it is a brand new expansive > true RMS types. I have real Vacum tube voltmeter (made probably in > sixties or seventies) but very accurate even for 105 KHz bias > frequency of Naks. This error can be noticed only when you try feeding > 15 KHz or 20 Khz signal thru rec input Jack keeping the monitor mode > to source signal level at -20 dB; you will notice that the meters show > somewhere around -30 dB level - that range is very course anyway but > 582 meters are exactl at -20 dB setting for the same! This is true > even for( Brand New ) Dragon when you try to feed the HF signal via > input Jack. Whereas Dragon in built signal ( calibration tone 15Khz) > works with different circuit during the calibration mode - which is > adjusted to show correct 0dB meter position for -20 dB signal level > Kannan > > enoyes at snet.net wrote > The main reason for the 20 db boost when setting bias levels is simply > to get the meter deflection up to a level where the meters will show > with much greater accuracy... down at -20 you have one segment below > that with a 10db difference and one segment above that's about 5 db > higher (as opposed to the 0 db level where the adjacent indicators are > only a db or so away). With just about all the Nakamichi decks that > have non-needle type meters (680 series being the exception) the range > is still pretty coarse and I often will try to calibrate other > machines by setting so that the exact level I'm looking for is right > on the threshold of lighting the next highest indicator (or I just use > my very trusty 700 meters). Interestingly, I've found that my cheap > digital VTVM is far less accurate at high frequencies. > > Ed > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Generally meters are not very accurate due to the nature of the > > circuit to convert the sine wave in to a +VE DC voltage. The meters > > should have the speed of showing you the variation as well as peak > > portion of the wave form. The meters on a recording studios are more > > accurate and are expansive ( called VU meters on the recording > > console) However your cassette deck meters should show the low > > frequency high amplitude signal more accurately than high frequency > > part to avoid tape saturation during actual music recordings. The > > high frequency content in actual music is much less than -20dB level > > compared 1KHz signal. But you need steady high frequency signal at > > -20dB to set the correct bias. So Dragon's meter circuit boosts the > > Meter reading by 20dB when you select the calibration mode to show > > accurate values. But the metering circuit itself drifts with > > temperature and need calibration once in while for accuracy For this > > reason I use a VTVM ( Thanks to Stephen ) to measure these to be > > accurate Hope you understood Kannan mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote > > Kannan: > > > > This bit of information is new to me specially since the Dragon > > user's manual mention nothing the about this. So, leaving the Victor > > aside, I'm wondering why would Nak meters (or do they merely > > *tend*?) to "show high frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual > > signal of -10 dB"? > > > > Is a puzzlement. > > > > Mariano > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Friday, October 11, 2002 15:55:51 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > One of the important facts about Nak meters are that they show high > > frquency signal at -20 dB for an actual signal of -10 dB ; ie the > > Signal is generally higher level than what is shown on these meters. > > These meters are fairly accurate at around 0 dB levels for low > > frequency Signals like 400Hz level but not for high freq signals. > > > > Dragon meter is calibrated at 15 Khz for -20 DB using the switch to > > show the same with 20 dB boost for accurate bias calibration. But if > > your Dragon is not recently calibrated, you will find that 15 Khz > > signal may be higher than necessary level for the Victor deck. > > > > So reduce the 15 Khz signal to get the bias calibration more > > accurately on Victor. > > > > Kannan > > > > mariano at starnet.net.ph wrote > > > > Thanx Kannan and Salim! > > > > I'm going to try the suggestions this weekend and looking forward to > > > > download the Nak 582 service manual.. > > > > I think the tone generation idea is specially appealing since the > > Dragon > > > > puts out a 400hz and 15khz test tones. > > > > Thanks again gentlemen! > > > > Mariano > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Grinham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 13 October 2002 23:13 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Shameless plug Well that exclude me out. I would have love to snapped up some of these beauties but I live in Australia, Doh! Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Timothy H. Jackson [mailto:t.h.jackson at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 2:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug I have several auctions of used but bulk erased Maxell MX90 cassettes on eBay if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365619 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365677 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365769 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365838 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365887 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365726 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365800 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1389365859 The tapes that are black with yellow lettering are newest (# 1389365887, 1389365838, 1389365769, 1389365677, 1389365619), and those that are black with silver and purple are the older (# 1389365859, 1389365800, 1389365726). Thanks, Tim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 14 00:58:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 23:58:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CDA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002701c2730c$1c931c00$dffc193e@oemcomputer> Heard the bad news today, old friend - you okay?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.401 / Virus Database: 226 - Release Date: 09/10/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Mon Oct 14 01:41:09 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:41:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug In-Reply-To: <002201c2730b$c0cead80$dffc193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <013601c27312$02045880$217ba8c0@henry> Everybody, my apologies and a solution: Tell you what, if we can work out shipping ahead of time so it isn't a surprise to either of us I will ship internationally. I just don't like getting to the end of an auction and then having discussions about shipping. It is probably an over-reaction to word my auctions the way I do, but there have been some unscrupulous bidders on my stuff in the past. I apologize for not taking into consideration the very diverse domiciles of the list to begin with. :-) Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Shameless plug Humph! This is racism! Grinham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 13 October 2002 23:13 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Shameless plug Well that exclude me out. I would have love to snapped up some of these beauties but I live in Australia, Doh! Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Timothy H. Jackson [mailto:t.h.jackson at verizon.net] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 2:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug I have several auctions of used but bulk erased Maxell MX90 cassettes on eBay if anyone is interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365619 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365677 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365769 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365838 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365887 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365726 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365800 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1389365859 The tapes that are black with yellow lettering are newest (# 1389365887, 1389365838, 1389365769, 1389365677, 1389365619), and those that are black with silver and purple are the older (# 1389365859, 1389365800, 1389365726). 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Christopher Steele ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 14 05:31:47 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:31:47 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CDC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Not to sound rude but what has happened in Indonesia? Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Master [mailto:mariano at starnet.net.ph] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 12:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Salim Our hearts and thoughts go with you in these times. Notwithstanding that the land bridges are gone, we share the hurt, anguish and horror that our neighbors suffer. Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:33:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Heard the bad news today, old friend - you okay?? Graham ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT31158.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Oct 14 05:38:35 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 13:38:35 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201CDD@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Disregard that e-mail, I'm half asleep. If this is about that terrorist bomb blast in Bali then I clearly know what has happened. Salim our thoughts do go out to you, there were a lot of Australian casualties in the bomb blasts, such a terrible thing to have happened to a wonderful and peaceful place. Salim, I hope that you and your family are alright. Keep well my friend. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Master [mailto:mariano at starnet.net.ph] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 12:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Salim Our hearts and thoughts go with you in these times. Notwithstanding that the land bridges are gone, we share the hurt, anguish and horror that our neighbors suffer. Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:33:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Heard the bad news today, old friend - you okay?? Graham ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT31158.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 14 05:46:59 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 10:46:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! Message-ID: <1288f5121c8a.121c8a1288f5@indosat.net.id> Thanks Graham, Mariano and all. I'm a safe 1000km away but it really hurts to see the motherland deteriorated and became playland for terrorists ... the country's been suffering since 97 and now this. What kind of world are we living thesedays?? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Master Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:24 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calling Salim! > Salim > > > > Our hearts and thoughts go with you in these times. > Notwithstanding that the > land bridges are gone, we share the hurt, anguish and horror that our > neighbors suffer. > > > > Mariano > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:33:30 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! > > > > Heard the bad news today, old friend - you okay?? > > > > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Mon Oct 14 12:50:09 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 06:50:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Computer-to-Nak connection/hookup References: <3DAA2DE6.50C88959@cox.net> Message-ID: <3DAAA161.84903A6@warwick.net> Hi Christopher, I've been recording that way (onto an Onkyo) for quite a while, and it doesn't hurt the tape deck at all. I connect my head phone jack to my computer speakers so that I can listen while I record. The quality of the tape depends on the quality of the 'stream' (bit wise). The other way to do it is to have a very good soundcard and some good software (Sound Forge as one example) and then you can record directly onto the software and burn a tape or CD from that. BW Christopher wrote: > > Need to record some streaming audio from a radio station this > coming Friday night. The DJ informs me "Actually, many listeners > do record the shows right from the Internet by hooking a jack > cable from the speaker connection in back of the computer tower > to a cassette deck. They then have a cassette copy or can burn it > onto a CD." > > I don't want to take any chances with my Nak (and you can tell > how much recording I do). The alternative methodology is getting > a program such as Total Recorder and capturing the program to my > HD. Any advice is appreciated. > > Christopher Steele > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Oct 14 20:12:22 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 19:12:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Shameless plug References: <013601c27312$02045880$217ba8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3DAB0906.10302@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Well Tim, you more than made up for it with your second post. Well done! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 14 20:55:57 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 00:25:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk -Re - nak meters Message-ID: <20021014185557.9D437114962@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Oct 14 23:15:44 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 17:15:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk -Re - nak meters In-Reply-To: <20021014185557.9D437114962@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DAAFBC0.25516.4BBD650@localhost> Kannan- I don't seem to see that. I re-checked at -10 and at -20, and see the same slope per frequency (as well as I can see it on the meters, anyway). I don't know why Nak would want to roll off the meter response in the audio spectrum. Am I misunderstading the issue? timb On 15 Oct 2002 at 0:25, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > Tim > You should have done the same test at -20dB point as the meters as > well as the circuit to drive this meter at that level are not accurate > compared to 0dB level. Since your interest is to set the bias using a > signal generator and Deck's meter; -20dB level is of interest here. > still 480 Needle meter like 582' s meter may show correctly atleast > till 20 Khz! > > Kannan > > timbarrett at cox.net > wrote > Gentlemen- > > Since my sister's plain vanilla 480 was on the bench, I took the > opportunity to do a quick check on the VU meters. Using a Sound > Technology 1700B on the deck's line input and a Tektronix scope > monitoring the input to verify signal flatness, I cranked up a 1kHz > signal til the VU meter said 0dB, then swept the signal up and down > the spectrum. Here is how the VU meter read at various points: > > 10 - 40 Hz -1 dB > 50 Hz to 3 kHz 0 dB > 4k to 12 kHz rising to +1dB > 12k to 19 kHz falling to 0 dB > 20k to 21 kHz falling to -1 dB > 24 kHz -2 dB > 26 kHz -3 dB > 30 kHz -6 dB > 50 kHz -20 dB > > I didn't see any point in collecting lots of data points after 26 kHz. > And I didn't check for meter linearity by running the same test at > different VU levels. For my purposes, I consider the meters to have a > flat response. > > It is true that the Naks with built in test tones change the meter > sensitivity during calibration so that the user will have an easier > time adjusting bias and levels, but I'd be surprised if any of the > modern Naks had meters which exhibited performance less than that > shown above during normal record and playback. > > However, if anyone would like to send me their ZX-7, ZX-9, or Dragon, > I'd be more than pleased to check their meters for them. Be prepared > to leave it with me for several months. :-) > > Cheers! > Tim > > > > > > On 13 Oct 2002 at 11:09, kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > Surprisingly 582 meters ( needle type) is accurate at 20 Khz -20 db > > level than even CR7 meters- use an oscilloscope and check as any > > other digital meters need calibration unless it is a brand new > > expansive true RMS types. > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 15 00:29:10 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 03:59:10 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] - nak meters Message-ID: <20021014222910.B01DD114919@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Tue Oct 15 11:49:42 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 11:49:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Used Naks in Germany Message-ID: <001001c27430$2febccf0$13945dd5@jannis> http://www.springair.de/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Tue Oct 15 12:12:23 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:12:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ???? Message-ID: <002a01c27433$5ae1d960$13945dd5@jannis> I got the following e-mail about the German e-commerce (eBay) company from which I bought my 2nd CR-7. Can anyone tell me what it is all about? Jannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Tue Oct 15 12:14:01 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:14:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ???? Message-ID: <003301c27433$9588a670$13945dd5@jannis> Sorry here is the mail: Hallo ! Sie haben bei HifiShop1 mitgeboten und auch die Auktion gewonnen. Dieser Händler hat ja wahnsinnig viele negative Bewertungen und wenden sie sich unter Angabe der Artikelnummer bitte an Ebay, damit dieser Händler endlich gesperrt wird. Er verkauft in seinem Shop "www.springair.de" die selben Sachen wie in ebay. Bedeudet, wenn jemand in seinem Shop einkauft, ist für den Ebay-Bieter und Gewinner nix mehr da und deswegen schreiben diese unseriösen Leute auch keine mails. Sie haben dann quasi die Auktion gewonnen und in Wirklichkeit ist der Artikel schon längst verkauft worden im Shop. Wenden sie sich wie gesagt unter Artikelangabe an folgende Adresse: sicherheit at ebay.de MfG Thorsten Bilavski -------------------- Diese E-Mail wurde von einem eBay-Mitglied über das Weiterleitungssystem von eBay gesendet. Wenn Sie auf die E-Mail antworten, wird Ihre Antwort direkt an das Mitglied und nicht über eBay gesendet. eBay toleriert kein Spam (d. h. unerwünschte kommerzielle E-Mails) und ergreift Maßnahmen zum Schutz seiner Mitglieder gegen diesen Missbrauch. Darüber hinaus verstoßen Aufforderungen zum Kauf oder Verkauf von Artikeln außerhalb von eBay gegen unsere Regeln und unterliegen nicht den Serviceleistungen zum Mitgliederschutz wie Bewertung, Versicherung, Treuhand-Service und Streitfallschlichtung. Falls es sich bei dieser Mail um ein Angebot handelt, außerhalb von eBay zu kaufen/verkaufen, gehen Sie nicht darauf ein. Geben Sie den folgenden Link in Ihren Browser ein, um weitere Informationen zu erhalten. Link: http://pages.ebay.de/help/email_info.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Oct 15 14:57:35 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:57:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ????Translation References: <003301c27433$9588a670$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <000b01c2744a$6f917200$af16fea9@wdrewes> Jannis,here is a translation of that eMail.I do not take any responsibility for the contents nor do I hold a view on it. It is merely supplied as a free service to fellow naktalkers lol.It is interesting that that firm featured on naktalk today! Somebody is missing something ! Here goes: Hallo! You have also bid on Hifishop 1 and also won the auction. This seller has a vast number of negative ratings and please contact Ebay under the auction no so that this seller can be finally barred. He sells in his shop www.springair.de the same items as on Ebay. This means when someone buys in his shop, there is nothing left for the Ebay bidder and winner and therefore these non-serious people write no e-mails. You have then "won" the auction but in reality the article has long been sold in the shop. As said,direct yourself to, by giving your article number, to the following address. sicherheit at ebay.de With friendly greetings Horsten Bilauski (This transmission was sent by an Ebay member through the Security System of ebay etc. etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] ???? Sorry here is the mail: Hallo ! Sie haben bei HifiShop1 mitgeboten und auch die Auktion gewonnen. Dieser Händler hat ja wahnsinnig viele negative Bewertungen und wenden sie sich unter Angabe der Artikelnummer bitte an Ebay, damit dieser Händler endlich gesperrt wird. Er verkauft in seinem Shop "www.springair.de" die selben Sachen wie in ebay. Bedeudet, wenn jemand in seinem Shop einkauft, ist für den Ebay-Bieter und Gewinner nix mehr da und deswegen schreiben diese unseriösen Leute auch keine mails. Sie haben dann quasi die Auktion gewonnen und in Wirklichkeit ist der Artikel schon längst verkauft worden im Shop. Wenden sie sich wie gesagt unter Artikelangabe an folgende Adresse: sicherheit at ebay.de MfG Thorsten Bilavski -------------------- Diese E-Mail wurde von einem eBay-Mitglied über das Weiterleitungssystem von eBay gesendet. Wenn Sie auf die E-Mail antworten, wird Ihre Antwort direkt an das Mitglied und nicht über eBay gesendet. eBay toleriert kein Spam (d. h. unerwünschte kommerzielle E-Mails) und ergreift Maßnahmen zum Schutz seiner Mitglieder gegen diesen Missbrauch. Darüber hinaus verstoßen Aufforderungen zum Kauf oder Verkauf von Artikeln außerhalb von eBay gegen unsere Regeln und unterliegen nicht den Serviceleistungen zum Mitgliederschutz wie Bewertung, Versicherung, Treuhand-Service und Streitfallschlichtung. Falls es sich bei dieser Mail um ein Angebot handelt, außerhalb von eBay zu kaufen/verkaufen, gehen Sie nicht darauf ein. Geben Sie den folgenden Link in Ihren Browser ein, um weitere Informationen zu erhalten. Link: http://pages.ebay.de/help/email_info.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Oct 15 18:42:39 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 17:42:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ???? References: <003301c27433$9588a670$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3DAC457F.7010308@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Jannis I have applied AltaVista (http://world.altavista.com/tr), and my own knowledge of German on this message. You need to get a better translation, either from Herr Bilavski, or from someone on the group that speaks German. Herr Bilavksi is, I think, another eBay user who is trying to warn you about the trader Hi-Fi Shop. The message seems to say that there is a problem with the trader Hi-Fi Shop, because it also trades from the web-site spring-air.de. Consequently, people are bidding on items that have long since been sold. Please let me repeat: my German is not good enough to give all of the meaning, and I *may* have got an important part wrong, so please go to a more authoritative translation before you take any action. Hope that this helps John Walker (once good at German, but that was 30 years ago!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 16 00:44:10 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:44:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ????....nak mb 75 In-Reply-To: <3DAC457F.7010308@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello, Looking for information on Nakamichi mobile unit mb75. I had reviewed the website (nakamichi) prior to buying a unit used. The website clearly states that the mb75 is a "receiver" and includes a four channel amplifier as part of the "receiver". The unit I acquired used does not have the amplifier but only the preamp outs. It appears that the Nakamichi amplifier is a seperate box but is sold as part of the mb75 receiver. Can anybody out there provide more specific information on this product? thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ???? Jannis I have applied AltaVista (http://world.altavista.com/tr), and my own knowledge of German on this message. You need to get a better translation, either from Herr Bilavski, or from someone on the group that speaks German. Herr Bilavksi is, I think, another eBay user who is trying to warn you about the trader Hi-Fi Shop. The message seems to say that there is a problem with the trader Hi-Fi Shop, because it also trades from the web-site spring-air.de. Consequently, people are bidding on items that have long since been sold. Please let me repeat: my German is not good enough to give all of the meaning, and I *may* have got an important part wrong, so please go to a more authoritative translation before you take any action. Hope that this helps John Walker (once good at German, but that was 30 years ago!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Wed Oct 16 03:46:19 2002 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? References: <003301c27433$9588a670$13945dd5@jannis> <3DAC457F.7010308@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000701c274b5$d67bdee0$31398ed1@D74G7711> I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of sending Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one can help with any of these questions....please do. Kind Regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ???? > Jannis > I have applied AltaVista (http://world.altavista.com/tr), and my own > knowledge of German on this message. You need to get a better > translation, either from Herr Bilavski, or from someone on the group > that speaks German. Herr Bilavksi is, I think, another eBay user who is > trying to warn you about the trader Hi-Fi Shop. The message seems to say > that there is a problem with the trader Hi-Fi Shop, because it also > trades from the web-site spring-air.de. Consequently, people are bidding > on items that have long since been sold. > > Please let me repeat: my German is not good enough to give all of the > meaning, and I *may* have got an important part wrong, so please go to a > more authoritative translation before you take any action. > > Hope that this helps > John Walker (once good at German, but that was 30 years ago!) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Oct 16 12:02:20 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:02:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ????....nak mb 75 Message-ID: <3DAFCEA7@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hello Carl the four channel amp pack is attached to the rear of the unit if it is needed. I have a spare if you need! Fred ===== Original Message From "Carl C" ===== >Hello, >Looking for information on Nakamichi mobile unit mb75. I had reviewed the >website (nakamichi) prior to buying a unit used. The website clearly states >that the mb75 is a "receiver" and includes a four channel amplifier as part >of the "receiver". > >The unit I acquired used does not have the amplifier but only the preamp >outs. It appears that the Nakamichi amplifier is a seperate box but is sold >as part of the mb75 receiver. Can anybody out there provide more specific >information on this product? > >thanks, > >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:43 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ???? > > >Jannis >I have applied AltaVista (http://world.altavista.com/tr), and my own >knowledge of German on this message. You need to get a better >translation, either from Herr Bilavski, or from someone on the group >that speaks German. Herr Bilavksi is, I think, another eBay user who is >trying to warn you about the trader Hi-Fi Shop. The message seems to say >that there is a problem with the trader Hi-Fi Shop, because it also >trades from the web-site spring-air.de. Consequently, people are bidding >on items that have long since been sold. > >Please let me repeat: my German is not good enough to give all of the >meaning, and I *may* have got an important part wrong, so please go to a >more authoritative translation before you take any action. > >Hope that this helps >John Walker (once good at German, but that was 30 years ago!) > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 16 18:46:18 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:46:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ????....nak mb 75 In-Reply-To: <3DAFCEA7@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: Fred, Well, yes; I do have a need. What would be the cost of my need! Fred, can you respond directly to my email address at c123666 at earthlink.net so we do not bore the others on this digest? Thanks, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ????....nak mb 75 >Hello Carl the four channel amp pack is attached to the rear of the unit if it is needed. I have a spare if you need! Fred ===== Original Message From "Carl C" ===== >Hello, >Looking for information on Nakamichi mobile unit mb75. I had reviewed the >website (nakamichi) prior to buying a unit used. The website clearly states >that the mb75 is a "receiver" and includes a four channel amplifier as part >of the "receiver". > >The unit I acquired used does not have the amplifier but only the preamp >outs. It appears that the Nakamichi amplifier is a seperate box but is sold >as part of the mb75 receiver. Can anybody out there provide more specific >information on this product? > >thanks, > >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:43 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ???? > > >Jannis >I have applied AltaVista (http://world.altavista.com/tr), and my own >knowledge of German on this message. You need to get a better >translation, either from Herr Bilavski, or from someone on the group >that speaks German. Herr Bilavksi is, I think, another eBay user who is >trying to warn you about the trader Hi-Fi Shop. The message seems to say >that there is a problem with the trader Hi-Fi Shop, because it also >trades from the web-site spring-air.de. Consequently, people are bidding >on items that have long since been sold. > >Please let me repeat: my German is not good enough to give all of the >meaning, and I *may* have got an important part wrong, so please go to a >more authoritative translation before you take any action. > >Hope that this helps >John Walker (once good at German, but that was 30 years ago!) > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Oct 20 19:10:01 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:10:01 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Need help - the best source for Nak heads? Message-ID: Need playback head for 680ZX If anyone has used play head from any of the second generation Nak-deck I'll be glad to make some trade. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Oct 21 00:44:45 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:44:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) Message-ID: Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but all things considered, I would speculate that something could be accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and duplication. Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay on our own audio sound systems! Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Best regards, K.J. Bleus M-Tape PR Coordinator --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- naktalk-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2740 -------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 From: "Rob Hamilton" Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of sending Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one can help with any of these questions....please do. Kind Regards, Rob ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2740 ****************************** ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Oct 21 04:49:48 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:49:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another Nak Reference Website..... Message-ID: Greetings...... Just wanted to mention to my NakChatt and NakTalk friends that I found another source for info about Nakamichi cassette gear. http://www.classicaudio.com/ Type in 'nakamichi' at the "search this site" prompt box. Or, have a look at the latest valuation spreadsheet: http://www.classicaudio.com/value/nak/ Since I'm an avid collector of both classic Marantz and Nakamichi components, this newly found (for me) website will be quite useful. My hope is that others will also benefit from this information resource. Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Tue Oct 22 00:40:06 2002 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:40:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tuner needs good home (off Topic ) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20021021181612.00c0eb10@mail.mindspring.com> Hi All, The straight skinny is it's just gotta go so.... She's a Kenwood KT-615 am/fm tuner, analog, big knob and dial, silver face, decent little signal puller, no rubber feet and the power on lever end has been snapped off. Great for a garage or dorm or anybody who wants good sound for very little money. $10.00 plus shipping ( just so I can tell my sister I didn't just give it away. ) Please contact me off list. Thanks, Stan Pickens ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Oct 22 02:07:59 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:07:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SALE Message-ID: <000c01c2795f$1862d720$201f2ac4@CopyTech> Fellows: I'm moving,so, everything has to go ... 2 MR-2 Nice condition: $100.00 each 1 Tandberg 3014 A- Needs small repairs; $350.00 1 Nakamichi 700 II - Like new with boxes and manual Needs belt $150.00 New & Never used Jolida Tube Integrated in box $350.00 B & W 802 with many mods. Needs 1 tweeter ($195.00) $850.00 pair Polk Audio SDA - SRS Limited $800.00 (heavy & big) Classic Soundcraftsment EQ RP 2212 $100.00 Meridian Dolby Pro Logic Pre-Amp, Like New ! $350.00 New & Never Used Klipsch 8.5 $400.00 pair Thiel 1.0 Speakers, Beautiful Sound $250.00 pair Crown DC 300 Needs 1 transistor $200.00 Arcam One CD Player Needs 1 IC $100.00 Golden Tube SE-100 new condition in box but needs repairs $350.00 (heavy) If anyone is interested, please reply off list. First come, first served. Reasonable offers woul be considered. Reasonable means, well, that. For example : do not offer me $500.00 for a pair of B & W 's !!!!! Best, Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Oct 22 20:14:17 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 11:14:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need help - the best source for Nak heads? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: anybody interested in a box of Maxell 90m sealed DATs check out this link..... http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1040421427&2&3&4& Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Need help - the best source for Nak heads? Need playback head for 680ZX If anyone has used play head from any of the second generation Nak-deck I'll be glad to make some trade. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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He never reinstalled it after it returned to him but tested it as working before sending it to me. I tested it breifly when it arrived and it functioned properly. The second unit has two problems that I know of after having it installed in my vehicle for @ 8 mos. - 1. It does not fully load a cassette and 2. it has an scratchy/ intermittent treble control. I have recently purchased a new vehicle with a factory cd and have decided not to use the td-700s. Both units go together for one price -->>> $125.00 and shipping ( Let's not talk about what I spent to get them. ) Please respond with questions offlist to me at jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Thanks, Stan Pickens ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 22 23:51:48 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:51:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c27a15$38eaa980$49a2193e@oemcomputer> Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from their long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! (If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their visas.) Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: 22 October 2002 19:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Need help - the best source for Nak heads? > > > anybody interested in a box of Maxell 90m sealed DATs check out this > link..... > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1040421427&2&3&4& > > Carl > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cestmoi at worldnet.att.net Wed Oct 23 00:41:12 2002 From: cestmoi at worldnet.att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 16:41:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <000001c27a15$38eaa980$49a2193e@oemcomputer> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021022163649.01e75d10@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> You've obviously never been to New Mexico. Once you come out here and see our blue skies, you'd never want to leave either..... Richard At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from their >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their visas.) > >Graham Richard Obenauf cestmoi at att.net +1 505 220 0506 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 02:16:02 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:16:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021022163649.01e75d10@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <004601c27a29$61ed1390$d91f2ac4@CopyTech> By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes sealed. Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. Carlos > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from their > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their visas.) > > > >Graham > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 23 04:06:43 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 19:06:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <004601c27a29$61ed1390$d91f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: Collection? Hell, tapes are for recording shows! Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes sealed. Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. Carlos > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from their > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their visas.) > > > >Graham > > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 05:52:21 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:52:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: Message-ID: <001901c27a47$97af7400$9a1f2ac4@CopyTech> Some are , my friend. Just like rare wines and cigars. Tapes like these I simply doubt that people will record all of them. They are more valuable un-used than recorded. That's why I used others instead of these rare Nakamichis ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > Collection? Hell, tapes are for recording shows! > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:16 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes sealed. > Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. > > Carlos > > > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from > their > > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their > visas.) > > > > > >Graham > > > > > >> > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 23 05:38:16 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:38:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <001901c27a47$97af7400$9a1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: One supposes those old blank nak cassette tapes (made by TDK, I recollect?) are collectable in the right circles? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Some are , my friend. Just like rare wines and cigars. Tapes like these I simply doubt that people will record all of them. They are more valuable un-used than recorded. That's why I used others instead of these rare Nakamichis ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > Collection? Hell, tapes are for recording shows! > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:16 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes sealed. > Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. > > Carlos > > > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from > their > > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their > visas.) > > > > > >Graham > > > > > >> > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wfreisleben at wi.rr.com Wed Oct 23 05:39:19 2002 From: wfreisleben at wi.rr.com (Bill Freisleben) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:39:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Instruction manual for Nak 482 cassette deck Message-ID: <001d01c27a45$c4db1760$6400a8c0@freislebhoexap> Does anyone know a source for a manual for my Nak 482 deck? Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 145 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gitanusa at chakraprima.com Wed Oct 23 05:39:51 2002 From: gitanusa at chakraprima.com (gitanusa) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 10:39:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Request for servive center in Indonesia Message-ID: <001501c27a45$d88e1f00$ec1a9eca@COMPOQ> Dear sir, We have Nakamichi tape deck but now the motor had trouble. Could you give us the contact agent or service center in Indonesia? Looking forward for your reply. Thank You for your kind attention and co-operation. Best regards, Jonny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Oct 23 05:39:51 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 23:39:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: Message-ID: <3DB61A04.C0F5212C@snet.net> In fact, a case of unopened Nak ZX tapes would probably fetch far more than the case of DAT tapes on the ebay market. The buyer would probably limit the usage to such landmark events as making a cassette copy of the finished Marathon project! Ed Carl C wrote: > One supposes those old blank nak cassette tapes (made by TDK, I recollect?) > are collectable in the right circles? > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:52 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > Some are , my friend. Just like rare wines and cigars. Tapes like these I > simply doubt that people will record all of them. They are more valuable > un-used than recorded. That's why I used others instead of these rare > Nakamichis ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl C" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:06 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > Collection? Hell, tapes are for recording shows! > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:16 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes > sealed. > > Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. > > > > Carlos > > > > > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from > > their > > > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > > > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their > > visas.) > > > > > > > >Graham > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Oct 23 07:17:13 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:17:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] MEGA RARE Tandberg TCD-910 Cassette Deck References: <000c01c2795f$1862d720$201f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000b01c27a53$728f1890$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> MEGA RARE Tandberg TCD-910 Cassette Deck Item # 1392074618 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1392074618 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 12:41:07 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:41:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: Message-ID: <000b01c27a80$b2e83480$041f2ac4@CopyTech> Yes, Carl. Simply because they say "Nakamichi" instead of TDK. I mean, as long as they are factory sealed. It's like McDonald's toys: it is made by Hasbro but as long as you keep those tiny things closed in 10 years is gonna cost a fortune. Can you believe it ? Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > One supposes those old blank nak cassette tapes (made by TDK, I recollect?) > are collectable in the right circles? > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:52 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > Some are , my friend. Just like rare wines and cigars. Tapes like these I > simply doubt that people will record all of them. They are more valuable > un-used than recorded. That's why I used others instead of these rare > Nakamichis ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl C" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:06 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > Collection? Hell, tapes are for recording shows! > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:16 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes > sealed. > > Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. > > > > Carlos > > > > > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from > > their > > > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > > > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their > > visas.) > > > > > > > >Graham > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 12:43:46 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 05:43:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <3DB61A04.C0F5212C@snet.net> Message-ID: <001301c27a81$11282a50$041f2ac4@CopyTech> Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > In fact, a case of unopened Nak ZX tapes would probably fetch far more than the case > of DAT tapes on the ebay market. The buyer would probably limit the usage to such > landmark events as making a cassette copy of the finished Marathon project! > > Ed > > Carl C wrote: > > > One supposes those old blank nak cassette tapes (made by TDK, I recollect?) > > are collectable in the right circles? > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:52 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > Some are , my friend. Just like rare wines and cigars. Tapes like these I > > simply doubt that people will record all of them. They are more valuable > > un-used than recorded. That's why I used others instead of these rare > > Nakamichis ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carl C" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:06 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > Collection? Hell, tapes are for recording shows! > > > Carl > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > El Magnifico > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:16 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > > > By the way, I have 2 cases of 10 each Dat Tapes NAKAMICHI. All tapes > > sealed. > > > Very rare collection stuff. Interested ? Not cheap but affordable. > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > At 10:51 PM 10/22/02 +0100, you wrote: > > > > >Interested? I would be if one of my DAT machines had come back from > > > their > > > > >long vacation in New Mexico ... hint ... hint .... Stephen!!! > > > > > > > > > >(If they stay much longer they'll be arrested for overstaying their > > > visas.) > > > > > > > > > >Graham > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 23 11:35:48 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:35:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Request for servive center in Indonesia Message-ID: <394bc63940a9.3940a9394bc6@indosat.net.id> Hi John, I'm afraid such thing as 'official nak deck support' is non-existent over here in Jakarta. If you can be more specific about the problem of your deck, hopefully some of the tech gurus over here can point you to the right direction / solution. Cheers, Salim SM - Jakarta. ----- Original Message ----- From: gitanusa Date: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:39 am Subject: [naktalk] Request for servive center in Indonesia > Dear sir, > > We have Nakamichi tape deck but now the motor had trouble. > Could you give us the contact agent or service center in Indonesia? > > Looking forward for your reply. > > Thank You for your kind attention and co-operation. > > Best regards, > > > > Jonny > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Wed Oct 23 14:43:46 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:43:46 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <001301c27a81$11282a50$041f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3DB69982.000001.03412@honrado-oan18i1> Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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CDR technology was just around the corner; we knew it was only a matter of time because we already had rewriteable optical discs in the computers at work. Expensive CDR machines weree available but beyond our budgets; besides, they were not portable. So, again; we asked ourselves "who needs DAT other than portable recording people?". DAT technology is like a mini VHS recorder; lots of heads, motors, and tape winding around thing. Access to specific tracks is much slower than a CD and continual usage of locating tracks will wear the DAT units out that much quicker. DAT players in cars never got beyond the "I can't wait for the prices to come down so I can listen to that great Dead show in the car on DAT and not have to make a cassette copy". Most people I know only use DAT to make a master recording at the show. As soon as it gets home it is transfered to CDR and then traded on "tape/CD trees" via the CDR medium. I found that when I made copies of my DAT masters onto cassette utilizing a zx9 or cr7a that the resulting copy was fine quality for listening back; much easier than cuing up the DAT machine. DAT was never a viable consumer medium and was doomed to failure. DAT remains only useful for remote recording. With the advent of truly portable CDR units (see the Marantz pro unit) the desirability of DAT even for that purpose is becoming less. The pro/portable CDR units remain too large for stealthy recording. The primary benefit of DAT over CDR at this point, also, is that one can use a three hour tape and one is limited to less than 1.5 hours on CDR. This can be a huge factor when taping by oneself and the show is one long set. Now, if I could find a Nakamichi pro DAT unit for real cheap...... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Oct 23 19:22:41 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:22:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <3DB69982.000001.03412@honrado-oan18i1> References: <001301c27a81$11282a50$041f2ac4@CopyTech> <3DB69982.000001.03412@honrado-oan18i1> Message-ID: <1035393761.3db6dae1eb92e@mail.ce.net> Quoting "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." : Don't as Stephen about the D7 and 8! > Hello everyone: > > These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over > what > years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage > Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with > MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. > > I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be > window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely > commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. > Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake > analogue > tape? > > I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and > also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 > portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of > second hand DAT equipment in Manila. > > What sayeth Nakkers? > > Cheers! > > Mariano > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, > then, > the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it > was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price > was fair enough. > > Best, > > Carlos ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 20:50:31 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:50:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: Message-ID: <001d01c27ac5$108b5d30$9f1f2ac4@CopyTech> Besides all Carl has said about DATs, this media established itself as the "standard" for recording studios in the 90's, besides the long trusted 1/2" analog tape that still in use today. The DAT is fading fast but for mastering I still prefer the sound from the DAT than from a CDR. Many mastering engineers agree with me. Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl C To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Mario, Year ago in the very late 80's when Sony was pushing (and hard) DAT tecnology to consumers we Dead tapers would sit around and examine the latest DAT recorders available. Now, our interests were rather narrow; very high quality portable recorders combined with tube powered vintage microphones were our general interest. Of course, we had a healthy interest in all new audio technology simply because most of us were/are equipment junkies, too. We all loved DAT but used to laugh at Sony's attempts to make it a consumer item. We used to chime in with "What use would anybody have for DAT except for mobile recording?". CDR technology was just around the corner; we knew it was only a matter of time because we already had rewriteable optical discs in the computers at work. Expensive CDR machines weree available but beyond our budgets; besides, they were not portable. So, again; we asked ourselves "who needs DAT other than portable recording people?". DAT technology is like a mini VHS recorder; lots of heads, motors, and tape winding around thing. Access to specific tracks is much slower than a CD and continual usage of locating tracks will wear the DAT units out that much quicker. DAT players in cars never got beyond the "I can't wait for the prices to come down so I can listen to that great Dead show in the car on DAT and not have to make a cassette copy". Most people I know only use DAT to make a master recording at the show. As soon as it gets home it is transfered to CDR and then traded on "tape/CD trees" via the CDR medium. I found that when I made copies of my DAT masters onto cassette utilizing a zx9 or cr7a that the resulting copy was fine quality for listening back; much easier than cuing up the DAT machine. DAT was never a viable consumer medium and was doomed to failure. DAT remains only useful for remote recording. With the advent of truly portable CDR units (see the Marantz pro unit) the desirability of DAT even for that purpose is becoming less. The pro/portable CDR units remain too large for stealthy recording. The primary benefit of DAT over CDR at this point, also, is that one can use a three hour tape and one is limited to less than 1.5 hours on CDR. This can be a huge factor when taping by oneself and the show is one long set. Now, if I could find a Nakamichi pro DAT unit for real cheap...... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 23 21:56:03 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:56:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <001d01c27ac5$108b5d30$9f1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002501c27ace$377d37c0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Carlos You mentioned once that Ricky Martin records into digital and no analogue is used throughout his recording process. Do you know what he uses? I bought one of his CDs recently. Good music but I can't say I'm impressed with the sound quality. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 23 October 2002 19:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Besides all Carl has said about DATs, this media established itself as the "standard" for recording studios in the 90's, besides the long trusted 1/2" analog tape that still in use today. The DAT is fading fast but for mastering I still prefer the sound from the DAT than from a CDR. Many mastering engineers agree with me. Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl C To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Mario, Year ago in the very late 80's when Sony was pushing (and hard) DAT tecnology to consumers we Dead tapers would sit around and examine the latest DAT recorders available. Now, our interests were rather narrow; very high quality portable recorders combined with tube powered vintage microphones were our general interest. Of course, we had a healthy interest in all new audio technology simply because most of us were/are equipment junkies, too. We all loved DAT but used to laugh at Sony's attempts to make it a consumer item. We used to chime in with "What use would anybody have for DAT except for mobile recording?". CDR technology was just around the corner; we knew it was only a matter of time because we already had rewriteable optical discs in the computers at work. Expensive CDR machines weree available but beyond our budgets; besides, they were not portable. So, again; we asked ourselves "who needs DAT other than portable recording people?". DAT technology is like a mini VHS recorder; lots of heads, motors, and tape winding around thing. Access to specific tracks is much slower than a CD and continual usage of locating tracks will wear the DAT units out that much quicker. DAT players in cars never got beyond the "I can't wait for the prices to come down so I can listen to that great Dead show in the car on DAT and not have to make a cassette copy". Most people I know only use DAT to make a master recording at the show. As soon as it gets home it is transfered to CDR and then traded on "tape/CD trees" via the CDR medium. I found that when I made copies of my DAT masters onto cassette utilizing a zx9 or cr7a that the resulting copy was fine quality for listening back; much easier than cuing up the DAT machine. DAT was never a viable consumer medium and was doomed to failure. DAT remains only useful for remote recording. With the advent of truly portable CDR units (see the Marantz pro unit) the desirability of DAT even for that purpose is becoming less. The pro/portable CDR units remain too large for stealthy recording. The primary benefit of DAT over CDR at this point, also, is that one can use a three hour tape and one is limited to less than 1.5 hours on CDR. This can be a huge factor when taping by oneself and the show is one long set. Now, if I could find a Nakamichi pro DAT unit for real cheap...... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 23 21:55:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:55:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] John "Mr Revox" Tooley!!! In-Reply-To: <004601c27a29$61ed1390$d91f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002301c27ace$331a2bc0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> John What happened to that bunch of ReVox B215's you bought? You sold them yet? I recall seeing one of them up for sale on e-Bay but, as I recall, you got a five or more in that auction. What happened to the rest of 'em? I wanted to bid! And did you eventually get that Nak 700 ZXL fixed up? Some time since you bought that, too, isn't it? Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Oct 23 21:56:01 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:56:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <1035393761.3db6dae1eb92e@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <002401c27ace$366908a0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Don't send any to him, either - I think he's eaten mine! ;o) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: 23 October 2002 18:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > Quoting "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." : > > Don't as Stephen about the D7 and 8! > > > Hello everyone: > > > > > > These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over > > what > > years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage > > Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed > my Naks with > > MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT > killed the DCC. > > > > > > I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be > > window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely > > commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. > > Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake > > analogue > > tape? > > > > > > I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and > > also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 > > portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or > no source of > > second hand DAT equipment in Manila. > > > > > > What sayeth Nakkers? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Mariano > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cestmoi at worldnet.att.net Wed Oct 23 21:56:36 2002 From: cestmoi at worldnet.att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:56:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <001d01c27ac5$108b5d30$9f1f2ac4@CopyTech> References: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> What don't you like about Masterlink? Richard At 01:50 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: >{snip} >Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the >Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. > >Carlos Richard Obenauf cestmoi at att.net +1 505 220 0506 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 23 22:45:18 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:45:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <002501c27ace$377d37c0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I am going to stick with DAT as the recording medium for live concerts due to the recording time aspect as well as the fact that I already own three proDATs; two portables and one TASCAM DA30. The PC is used to master the DAT masters to CDR; most of the people I know use Soundforge software for the PC. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Carlos You mentioned once that Ricky Martin records into digital and no analogue is used throughout his recording process. Do you know what he uses? I bought one of his CDs recently. Good music but I can't say I'm impressed with the sound quality. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 23 October 2002 19:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Besides all Carl has said about DATs, this media established itself as the "standard" for recording studios in the 90's, besides the long trusted 1/2" analog tape that still in use today. The DAT is fading fast but for mastering I still prefer the sound from the DAT than from a CDR. Many mastering engineers agree with me. Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl C To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Mario, Year ago in the very late 80's when Sony was pushing (and hard) DAT tecnology to consumers we Dead tapers would sit around and examine the latest DAT recorders available. Now, our interests were rather narrow; very high quality portable recorders combined with tube powered vintage microphones were our general interest. Of course, we had a healthy interest in all new audio technology simply because most of us were/are equipment junkies, too. We all loved DAT but used to laugh at Sony's attempts to make it a consumer item. We used to chime in with "What use would anybody have for DAT except for mobile recording?". CDR technology was just around the corner; we knew it was only a matter of time because we already had rewriteable optical discs in the computers at work. Expensive CDR machines weree available but beyond our budgets; besides, they were not portable. So, again; we asked ourselves "who needs DAT other than portable recording people?". DAT technology is like a mini VHS recorder; lots of heads, motors, and tape winding around thing. Access to specific tracks is much slower than a CD and continual usage of locating tracks will wear the DAT units out that much quicker. DAT players in cars never got beyond the "I can't wait for the prices to come down so I can listen to that great Dead show in the car on DAT and not have to make a cassette copy". Most people I know only use DAT to make a master recording at the show. As soon as it gets home it is transfered to CDR and then traded on "tape/CD trees" via the CDR medium. I found that when I made copies of my DAT masters onto cassette utilizing a zx9 or cr7a that the resulting copy was fine quality for listening back; much easier than cuing up the DAT machine. DAT was never a viable consumer medium and was doomed to failure. DAT remains only useful for remote recording. With the advent of truly portable CDR units (see the Marantz pro unit) the desirability of DAT even for that purpose is becoming less. The pro/portable CDR units remain too large for stealthy recording. The primary benefit of DAT over CDR at this point, also, is that one can use a three hour tape and one is limited to less than 1.5 hours on CDR. This can be a huge factor when taping by oneself and the show is one long set. Now, if I could find a Nakamichi pro DAT unit for real cheap...... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 23 22:45:17 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:45:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <002401c27ace$366908a0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Used TASCAM DA30 and DA20 models should be available. I am using an original DA30 with great success. It is built like a tank, has no SCMS, and has AES/EBU and digital coax interfaces. I would take a TASCAM pro unit over any Sony consumer model anyday. Another item to look for would be a HHB unit; this would be a harder puppy to find and not cheap. Go to DAT Heads to find out more about used DAT equipment; there should be plenty of it around in the Dead taper circles. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Don't send any to him, either - I think he's eaten mine! ;o) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: 23 October 2002 18:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > Quoting "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." : > > Don't as Stephen about the D7 and 8! > > > Hello everyone: > > > > > > These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over > > what > > years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage > > Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed > my Naks with > > MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT > killed the DCC. > > > > > > I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be > > window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely > > commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. > > Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake > > analogue > > tape? > > > > > > I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and > > also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 > > portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or > no source of > > second hand DAT equipment in Manila. > > > > > > What sayeth Nakkers? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Mariano > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 23 22:50:20 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 13:50:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <002501c27ace$377d37c0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: another reason to avoid any digital medium if possible: good D/A conversion....after listening to the Audio Note DAC 5 it is hard to go back to my much lesser system. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Carlos You mentioned once that Ricky Martin records into digital and no analogue is used throughout his recording process. Do you know what he uses? I bought one of his CDs recently. Good music but I can't say I'm impressed with the sound quality. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 23 October 2002 19:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Besides all Carl has said about DATs, this media established itself as the "standard" for recording studios in the 90's, besides the long trusted 1/2" analog tape that still in use today. The DAT is fading fast but for mastering I still prefer the sound from the DAT than from a CDR. Many mastering engineers agree with me. Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl C To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Mario, Year ago in the very late 80's when Sony was pushing (and hard) DAT tecnology to consumers we Dead tapers would sit around and examine the latest DAT recorders available. Now, our interests were rather narrow; very high quality portable recorders combined with tube powered vintage microphones were our general interest. Of course, we had a healthy interest in all new audio technology simply because most of us were/are equipment junkies, too. We all loved DAT but used to laugh at Sony's attempts to make it a consumer item. We used to chime in with "What use would anybody have for DAT except for mobile recording?". CDR technology was just around the corner; we knew it was only a matter of time because we already had rewriteable optical discs in the computers at work. Expensive CDR machines weree available but beyond our budgets; besides, they were not portable. So, again; we asked ourselves "who needs DAT other than portable recording people?". DAT technology is like a mini VHS recorder; lots of heads, motors, and tape winding around thing. Access to specific tracks is much slower than a CD and continual usage of locating tracks will wear the DAT units out that much quicker. DAT players in cars never got beyond the "I can't wait for the prices to come down so I can listen to that great Dead show in the car on DAT and not have to make a cassette copy". Most people I know only use DAT to make a master recording at the show. As soon as it gets home it is transfered to CDR and then traded on "tape/CD trees" via the CDR medium. I found that when I made copies of my DAT masters onto cassette utilizing a zx9 or cr7a that the resulting copy was fine quality for listening back; much easier than cuing up the DAT machine. DAT was never a viable consumer medium and was doomed to failure. DAT remains only useful for remote recording. With the advent of truly portable CDR units (see the Marantz pro unit) the desirability of DAT even for that purpose is becoming less. The pro/portable CDR units remain too large for stealthy recording. The primary benefit of DAT over CDR at this point, also, is that one can use a three hour tape and one is limited to less than 1.5 hours on CDR. This can be a huge factor when taping by oneself and the show is one long set. Now, if I could find a Nakamichi pro DAT unit for real cheap...... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 23:53:05 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:53:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <002501c27ace$377d37c0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001b01c27ade$917f4280$661f2ac4@CopyTech> I agree with you, Gra. All Pro Tools stuff, unfortunately ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Carlos You mentioned once that Ricky Martin records into digital and no analogue is used throughout his recording process. Do you know what he uses? I bought one of his CDs recently. Good music but I can't say I'm impressed with the sound quality. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 23 October 2002 19:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Besides all Carl has said about DATs, this media established itself as the "standard" for recording studios in the 90's, besides the long trusted 1/2" analog tape that still in use today. The DAT is fading fast but for mastering I still prefer the sound from the DAT than from a CDR. Many mastering engineers agree with me. Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl C To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Mario, Year ago in the very late 80's when Sony was pushing (and hard) DAT tecnology to consumers we Dead tapers would sit around and examine the latest DAT recorders available. Now, our interests were rather narrow; very high quality portable recorders combined with tube powered vintage microphones were our general interest. Of course, we had a healthy interest in all new audio technology simply because most of us were/are equipment junkies, too. We all loved DAT but used to laugh at Sony's attempts to make it a consumer item. We used to chime in with "What use would anybody have for DAT except for mobile recording?". CDR technology was just around the corner; we knew it was only a matter of time because we already had rewriteable optical discs in the computers at work. Expensive CDR machines weree available but beyond our budgets; besides, they were not portable. So, again; we asked ourselves "who needs DAT other than portable recording people?". DAT technology is like a mini VHS recorder; lots of heads, motors, and tape winding around thing. Access to specific tracks is much slower than a CD and continual usage of locating tracks will wear the DAT units out that much quicker. DAT players in cars never got beyond the "I can't wait for the prices to come down so I can listen to that great Dead show in the car on DAT and not have to make a cassette copy". Most people I know only use DAT to make a master recording at the show. As soon as it gets home it is transfered to CDR and then traded on "tape/CD trees" via the CDR medium. I found that when I made copies of my DAT masters onto cassette utilizing a zx9 or cr7a that the resulting copy was fine quality for listening back; much easier than cuing up the DAT machine. DAT was never a viable consumer medium and was doomed to failure. DAT remains only useful for remote recording. With the advent of truly portable CDR units (see the Marantz pro unit) the desirability of DAT even for that purpose is becoming less. The pro/portable CDR units remain too large for stealthy recording. The primary benefit of DAT over CDR at this point, also, is that one can use a three hour tape and one is limited to less than 1.5 hours on CDR. This can be a huge factor when taping by oneself and the show is one long set. Now, if I could find a Nakamichi pro DAT unit for real cheap...... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Hello everyone: These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over what years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed my Naks with MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT killed the DCC. I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake analogue tape? I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or no source of second hand DAT equipment in Manila. What sayeth Nakkers? Cheers! Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 24, 2002 06:16:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Agree with ED here. And if they have been out of production for years, then, the most costly it gets. I bought these 20 DATs at E.Bay a year ago and it was simply crazy how many bids it got. Fortunately for me, the final price was fair enough. Best, Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00009.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Oct 23 23:54:21 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:54:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <002301c27ade$c0044970$661f2ac4@CopyTech> I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro Tools. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Obenauf" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > Richard > > At 01:50 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > >{snip} > >Now, the new kid on the block is the 24 bits CDR and the new deck is the > >Masterlink that I don't like but I'm forced to use it as a playback machine. > > > >Carlos > > > > Richard Obenauf > cestmoi at att.net > +1 505 220 0506 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Oct 24 00:00:42 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:00:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] John "Mr Revox" Tooley!!! References: <002301c27ace$331a2bc0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004701c27adf$a208da20$3c106343@johnnyrotten> 215's. I got the 1st., a beauty. 2nd. was eBayed. 3rd. 4th. and 5th. Stephen still has. 700 ZXL was shipped to him from UK last summer. His apprentice, a naktalk members son, changed all orange caps and now needs Stephen's time. He should stop taking any more repairs until his backlog is all repaired and shipped. I told you that I gave him that B&O and three B&K mic heads and he promised everything would be fixed free of charge. I think I'll drop him a friendly note, maybe via snail mail. If that doesn't work what do we do, have a lawyer send him a wake up call! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] John "Mr Revox" Tooley!!! > John > > What happened to that bunch of ReVox B215's you bought? You sold them yet? > I recall seeing one of them up for sale on e-Bay but, as I recall, you got a > five or more in that auction. What happened to the rest of 'em? I wanted > to bid! > > And did you eventually get that Nak 700 ZXL fixed up? Some time since you > bought that, too, isn't it? > > Gra' > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cestmoi at worldnet.att.net Thu Oct 24 00:35:59 2002 From: cestmoi at worldnet.att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 16:35:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <002301c27ade$c0044970$661f2ac4@CopyTech> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT or 24-bit DAT? Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my DAT in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard great sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the point of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every situation..... Richard At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro >Tools. > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Richard Obenauf" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > Richard > > Richard Obenauf cestmoi at att.net +1 505 220 0506 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 24 02:20:12 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 17:20:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <002401c27ace$366908a0$8d6b87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: There are a few DAT recorders on EBAY right now; here is the link to a TASCAM DA 30..looks like they go cheap. I paid over a grand new for mine in the mid 90's http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=914251675 Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Don't send any to him, either - I think he's eaten mine! ;o) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: 23 October 2002 18:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > Quoting "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." : > > Don't as Stephen about the D7 and 8! > > > Hello everyone: > > > > > > These animated exchanges about Nak DAT tapes has got me wondering: over > > what > > years did Nakamichi produce DAT players? I occasionally use a vintage > > Philips DCC 900 to playback analogue tape or as a DAC to feed > my Naks with > > MP3 that I download from the internet. I am told that DAT > killed the DCC. > > > > > > I will have an opportunity to travel to Hong Kong next month and will be > > window-shopping for an affordable DAT recorder/player but would likely > > commit to a purchase for less than US$400, if there were such a thing. > > Barbarians say that once you become a DAT-head you may just forsake > > analogue > > tape? > > > > > > I am partial to Sony only because I am happy with their MD recorders and > > also because there seems to be high praise for their models D7 and D8 > > portable DAT recorder/player. Unfortunately, there's little or > no source of > > second hand DAT equipment in Manila. > > > > > > What sayeth Nakkers? > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > > Mariano > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 24 04:35:51 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:35:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TDK super long play cassettes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D01@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: That price is nuts; the D series was the cheaper of the bunch anyway.. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:47 PM To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] TDK super long play cassettes Speaking of rare, guys take a look at these... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1390276706 I don't think they would go down to well in the naks or for that matter any ordinary unit. Wouldn't you think the asking price is a little steep for these? Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 24 06:16:17 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:16:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] TDK super long play cassettes References: Message-ID: <000901c27b14$1aa9e760$891f2ac4@CopyTech> Simply ridiculous ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK super long play cassettes > That price is nuts; the D series was the cheaper of the bunch anyway.. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:47 PM > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > Subject: [naktalk] TDK super long play cassettes > > > Speaking of rare, guys take a look at these... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1390276706 > > I don't think they would go down to well in the naks or for that matter any > ordinary unit. Wouldn't you think the asking price is a little steep for > these? > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 24 17:21:06 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 10:21:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> No problem with your questions Rich. I master from whatever the customer shows up with, but, Masterlink masters, CDRs and even some DATs usually comes from small or project studios. The heavyweights always comes in 1/2" at 30 ips or at 15 ips with Dolby SR. The last one has no rival from any 24 bits digital stuff. Just try it yourself and let me know... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Obenauf" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over > CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT or > 24-bit DAT? > > Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my DAT > in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such > different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard great > sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the point > of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every > situation..... > > Richard > > > At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of > >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro > >Tools. > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Richard Obenauf" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > Richard Obenauf > cestmoi at att.net > +1 505 220 0506 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Oct 24 18:09:34 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:09:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum on Yahoo. But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an interesting contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open reel format, the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone who wants to participate: --Roland ============================================================================ ======= From: Kurt Fisher US Recording Media usrecordingmedia at rcn.com We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea jump off of a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and make it sing like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. We have three files on the internet on Win MX (http//www.winmx.com). One file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and the third is a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is Sailboat. The files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. What is the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with whatever resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered and other sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us with all three improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 track 7.5 IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape you use but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. Who's Judging this? We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music professor (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where prohibited. Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the contest until Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be on AOL at http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is easiest. Either WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more of a pain fo r something like this perhaps than its worth. What do we get for the effort? The winner has a choice of: One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape SUB or One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape in Tape Care Boxes or Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General Purpose Tape or 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing Tabs or One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes Plus Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with 200 Medical Grade Q Tips In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels black or natural anodized. What about shipping? Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. Hawaii and Alaska or international must pay for air freight Where do I send the tapes? Send them to: 2002 Contest US Recording Media 1731 Lord Byron Dr Bethlehem, Pa 18017 Kurt Fisher US Recording Media ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 24 20:05:20 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:05:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <000f01c27b87$fff71720$431f2ac4@CopyTech> Very interesting Roland, but I think I have enough with the semi-ill Marathon Tape, so' I'll pass ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum on Yahoo. > But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an interesting > contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open reel format, > the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone who wants > to participate: > > --Roland > > ============================================================================ > ======= > > From: Kurt Fisher > US Recording Media > usrecordingmedia at rcn.com > > We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea jump off of > a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and make it sing > like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. > > We have three files on the internet on Win MX (http//www.winmx.com). One > file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and the third is > a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is Sailboat. The > files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. What is > the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with whatever > resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered and other > sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) > > What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us with all three > improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 track 7.5 > IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape you use > but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. > > Who's Judging this? > > We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music professor > (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where prohibited. > > Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the contest until > Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. > > We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at > http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be on AOL at > http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is easiest. Either > WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more of a pain fo > r something like this perhaps than its worth. > > What do we get for the effort? > > The winner has a choice of: > > One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape SUB > or > One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape in Tape > Care Boxes > or > Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General Purpose Tape > or > 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing Tabs > or > One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes > > Plus > > Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with 200 > Medical Grade Q Tips > > > In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels black or > natural anodized. > > What about shipping? > Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. Hawaii and Alaska or > international must pay for air freight > > Where do I send the tapes? > > Send them to: > > 2002 Contest > US Recording Media > 1731 Lord Byron Dr > Bethlehem, Pa 18017 > > > > Kurt Fisher > US Recording Media > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 24 21:26:49 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:26:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: I second Carlos' comments; in the early 90's I had the opportunity to partake in some soundboard recordings of a local band called Zero. We set up Neumann KM54 and AKG c61 microphones on stage for each instrument, got a soundboard feed, and ran it all into a nice Mackie mixer. The output of the Mackies went two places: a> Yamaha pro A/D and then from the Yamaha to several proDAT machines for DAT masters; b> Technics RS1500US (I think; the one that will run in half track mode) reel to reel. We did extensive bling testing between the two format masters and the analogue tapes were chosen by everybody that did the blind test. DAT is better than a live cassette master, for sure, for the dynamic range and the fact that clones can be made. But, we still preferred the sound of the cassette recordings overall for the smoother sound. We stick with DAT because of convenience, much better dynamic range, and ease of copying with no additional noise added (ala analogue copies). Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes No problem with your questions Rich. I master from whatever the customer shows up with, but, Masterlink masters, CDRs and even some DATs usually comes from small or project studios. The heavyweights always comes in 1/2" at 30 ips or at 15 ips with Dolby SR. The last one has no rival from any 24 bits digital stuff. Just try it yourself and let me know... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Obenauf" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over > CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT or > 24-bit DAT? > > Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my DAT > in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such > different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard great > sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the point > of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every > situation..... > > Richard > > > At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of > >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro > >Tools. > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Richard Obenauf" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > Richard Obenauf > cestmoi at att.net > +1 505 220 0506 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Oct 24 22:55:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 15:55:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: Message-ID: <000701c27b9f$ad2dc670$e71f2ac4@CopyTech> As Carl said: an open reel from a Technics 1500 recorded at 15 ips with a 1/4" tape ... I still believe this was one of the best ever open reel decks made for domestic applications and some pro use too. Imagine then that material recorded to an Studer A-80 with 1/2" tape and running at 30 ips. Simply incredible ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > I second Carlos' comments; in the early 90's I had the opportunity to > partake in some soundboard recordings of a local band called Zero. We set > up Neumann KM54 and AKG c61 microphones on stage for each instrument, got a > soundboard feed, and ran it all into a nice Mackie mixer. The output of the > Mackies went two places: > > a> Yamaha pro A/D and then from the Yamaha to several proDAT machines for > DAT masters; > b> Technics RS1500US (I think; the one that will run in half track mode) > reel to reel. > > We did extensive bling testing between the two format masters and the > analogue tapes were chosen by everybody that did the blind test. DAT is > better than a live cassette master, for sure, for the dynamic range and the > fact that clones can be made. But, we still preferred the sound of the > cassette recordings overall for the smoother sound. We stick with DAT > because of convenience, much better dynamic range, and ease of copying with > no additional noise added (ala analogue copies). > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > No problem with your questions Rich. I master from whatever the customer > shows up with, but, Masterlink masters, CDRs and even some DATs usually > comes from small or project studios. The heavyweights always comes in 1/2" > at 30 ips or at 15 ips with Dolby SR. The last one has no rival from any 24 > bits digital stuff. Just try it yourself and let me know... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Obenauf" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over > > CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT or > > 24-bit DAT? > > > > Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my DAT > > in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such > > different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard > great > > sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the point > > of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every > > situation..... > > > > Richard > > > > > > At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of > > >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro > > >Tools. > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Richard Obenauf" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Obenauf > > cestmoi at att.net > > +1 505 220 0506 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu Oct 24 22:28:51 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 13:28:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <000701c27b9f$ad2dc670$e71f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000001c27b9b$f7e718a0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Change that A80 to a 1/2" 827. Now there's a Studer. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes As Carl said: an open reel from a Technics 1500 recorded at 15 ips with a 1/4" tape ... I still believe this was one of the best ever open reel decks made for domestic applications and some pro use too. Imagine then that material recorded to an Studer A-80 with 1/2" tape and running at 30 ips. Simply incredible ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > I second Carlos' comments; in the early 90's I had the opportunity to > partake in some soundboard recordings of a local band called Zero. We set > up Neumann KM54 and AKG c61 microphones on stage for each instrument, got a > soundboard feed, and ran it all into a nice Mackie mixer. The output of the > Mackies went two places: > > a> Yamaha pro A/D and then from the Yamaha to several proDAT machines for > DAT masters; > b> Technics RS1500US (I think; the one that will run in half track mode) > reel to reel. > > We did extensive bling testing between the two format masters and the > analogue tapes were chosen by everybody that did the blind test. DAT is > better than a live cassette master, for sure, for the dynamic range and the > fact that clones can be made. But, we still preferred the sound of the > cassette recordings overall for the smoother sound. We stick with DAT > because of convenience, much better dynamic range, and ease of copying with > no additional noise added (ala analogue copies). > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > No problem with your questions Rich. I master from whatever the customer > shows up with, but, Masterlink masters, CDRs and even some DATs usually > comes from small or project studios. The heavyweights always comes in 1/2" > at 30 ips or at 15 ips with Dolby SR. The last one has no rival from any 24 > bits digital stuff. Just try it yourself and let me know... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Obenauf" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over > > CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT or > > 24-bit DAT? > > > > Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my DAT > > in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such > > different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard > great > > sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the point > > of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every > > situation..... > > > > Richard > > > > > > At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of > > >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro > > >Tools. > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Richard Obenauf" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Obenauf > > cestmoi at att.net > > +1 505 220 0506 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Oct 24 23:11:25 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 17:11:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> <000f01c27b87$fff71720$431f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <003801c27ba2$087be190$83106343@johnnyrotten> "semi-ill" meaning chewed/mangled tape? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > Very interesting Roland, but I think I have enough with the semi-ill > Marathon Tape, so' I'll pass ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum on Yahoo. > > But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an interesting > > contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open reel format, > > the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone who > wants > > to participate: > > > > --Roland > > > > > ============================================================================ > > ======= > > > > From: Kurt Fisher > > US Recording Media > > usrecordingmedia at rcn.com > > > > We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea jump off > of > > a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and make it > sing > > like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. > > > > We have three files on the internet on Win MX (http//www.winmx.com). One > > file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and the third > is > > a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is Sailboat. > The > > files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. What is > > the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with whatever > > resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered and other > > sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) > > > > What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us with all > three > > improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 track 7.5 > > IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape you use > > but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. > > > > Who's Judging this? > > > > We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music professor > > (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where prohibited. > > > > Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the contest until > > Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. > > > > We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be on AOL at > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is easiest. > Either > > WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more of a pain > fo > > r something like this perhaps than its worth. > > > > What do we get for the effort? > > > > The winner has a choice of: > > > > One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape SUB > > or > > One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape in Tape > > Care Boxes > > or > > Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General Purpose Tape > > or > > 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing Tabs > > or > > One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes > > > > Plus > > > > Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with 200 > > Medical Grade Q Tips > > > > > > In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels black or > > natural anodized. > > > > What about shipping? > > Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. Hawaii and Alaska or > > international must pay for air freight > > > > Where do I send the tapes? > > > > Send them to: > > > > 2002 Contest > > US Recording Media > > 1731 Lord Byron Dr > > Bethlehem, Pa 18017 > > > > > > > > Kurt Fisher > > US Recording Media > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Oct 25 01:49:00 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 16:49:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes In-Reply-To: <000001c27b9b$f7e718a0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: Technics also sold a "portable" version of the RS reel to reel; might have been the rs1700...the damn thing could be filled with batteries for remote recording. Try to stuff that down your pants to make a stealthy recording. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes Change that A80 to a 1/2" 827. Now there's a Studer. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes As Carl said: an open reel from a Technics 1500 recorded at 15 ips with a 1/4" tape ... I still believe this was one of the best ever open reel decks made for domestic applications and some pro use too. Imagine then that material recorded to an Studer A-80 with 1/2" tape and running at 30 ips. Simply incredible ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > I second Carlos' comments; in the early 90's I had the opportunity to > partake in some soundboard recordings of a local band called Zero. We set > up Neumann KM54 and AKG c61 microphones on stage for each instrument, got a > soundboard feed, and ran it all into a nice Mackie mixer. The output of the > Mackies went two places: > > a> Yamaha pro A/D and then from the Yamaha to several proDAT machines for > DAT masters; > b> Technics RS1500US (I think; the one that will run in half track mode) > reel to reel. > > We did extensive bling testing between the two format masters and the > analogue tapes were chosen by everybody that did the blind test. DAT is > better than a live cassette master, for sure, for the dynamic range and the > fact that clones can be made. But, we still preferred the sound of the > cassette recordings overall for the smoother sound. We stick with DAT > because of convenience, much better dynamic range, and ease of copying with > no additional noise added (ala analogue copies). > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:21 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > No problem with your questions Rich. I master from whatever the customer > shows up with, but, Masterlink masters, CDRs and even some DATs usually > comes from small or project studios. The heavyweights always comes in 1/2" > at 30 ips or at 15 ips with Dolby SR. The last one has no rival from any 24 > bits digital stuff. Just try it yourself and let me know... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Obenauf" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over > > CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT or > > 24-bit DAT? > > > > Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my DAT > > in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such > > different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard > great > > sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the point > > of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every > > situation..... > > > > Richard > > > > > > At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most of > > >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on Pro > > >Tools. > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Richard Obenauf" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Obenauf > > cestmoi at att.net > > +1 505 220 0506 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Oct 25 15:47:33 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:47:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> <000f01c27b87$fff71720$431f2ac4@CopyTech> <003801c27ba2$087be190$83106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001401c27c2d$14babc70$c91f2ac4@CopyTech> No. Semi-ill means that it wasn't as I expected. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > "semi-ill" meaning chewed/mangled tape? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > Very interesting Roland, but I think I have enough with the semi-ill > > Marathon Tape, so' I'll pass ... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:09 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum on > Yahoo. > > > But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an interesting > > > contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open reel > format, > > > the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone who > > wants > > > to participate: > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > > ======= > > > > > > From: Kurt Fisher > > > US Recording Media > > > usrecordingmedia at rcn.com > > > > > > We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea jump > off > > of > > > a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and make it > > sing > > > like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. > > > > > > We have three files on the internet on Win MX (http//www.winmx.com). One > > > file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and the third > > is > > > a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is Sailboat. > > The > > > files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. What > is > > > the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with > whatever > > > resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered and other > > > sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) > > > > > > What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us with all > > three > > > improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 track > 7.5 > > > IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape you > use > > > but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. > > > > > > Who's Judging this? > > > > > > We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music > professor > > > (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where prohibited. > > > > > > Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the contest > until > > > Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. > > > > > > We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be on AOL > at > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is easiest. > > Either > > > WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more of a > pain > > fo > > > r something like this perhaps than its worth. > > > > > > What do we get for the effort? > > > > > > The winner has a choice of: > > > > > > One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape SUB > > > or > > > One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape in > Tape > > > Care Boxes > > > or > > > Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General Purpose Tape > > > or > > > 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing Tabs > > > or > > > One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes > > > > > > Plus > > > > > > Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with 200 > > > Medical Grade Q Tips > > > > > > > > > In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels black > or > > > natural anodized. > > > > > > What about shipping? > > > Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. Hawaii and Alaska or > > > international must pay for air freight > > > > > > Where do I send the tapes? > > > > > > Send them to: > > > > > > 2002 Contest > > > US Recording Media > > > 1731 Lord Byron Dr > > > Bethlehem, Pa 18017 > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fisher > > > US Recording Media > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Oct 25 15:46:54 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 08:46:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT Tapes References: <000001c27b9b$f7e718a0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <000d01c27c2c$fcb104e0$c91f2ac4@CopyTech> That's a nice one John. It was the A-80 replacement but I stick to my old trusted buddy. A-80 were more reliable ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 3:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > Change that A80 to a 1/2" 827. Now there's a Studer. > > Cal John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:55 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > As Carl said: an open reel from a Technics 1500 recorded at 15 ips with a > 1/4" tape ... I still believe this was one of the best ever open reel decks > made for domestic applications and some pro use too. > > Imagine then that material recorded to an Studer A-80 with 1/2" tape and > running at 30 ips. Simply incredible ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl C" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:26 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > I second Carlos' comments; in the early 90's I had the opportunity to > > partake in some soundboard recordings of a local band called Zero. We set > > up Neumann KM54 and AKG c61 microphones on stage for each instrument, got > a > > soundboard feed, and ran it all into a nice Mackie mixer. The output of > the > > Mackies went two places: > > > > a> Yamaha pro A/D and then from the Yamaha to several proDAT machines for > > DAT masters; > > b> Technics RS1500US (I think; the one that will run in half track mode) > > reel to reel. > > > > We did extensive bling testing between the two format masters and the > > analogue tapes were chosen by everybody that did the blind test. DAT is > > better than a live cassette master, for sure, for the dynamic range and > the > > fact that clones can be made. But, we still preferred the sound of the > > cassette recordings overall for the smoother sound. We stick with DAT > > because of convenience, much better dynamic range, and ease of copying > with > > no additional noise added (ala analogue copies). > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 8:21 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > No problem with your questions Rich. I master from whatever the customer > > shows up with, but, Masterlink masters, CDRs and even some DATs usually > > comes from small or project studios. The heavyweights always comes in 1/2" > > at 30 ips or at 15 ips with Dolby SR. The last one has no rival from any > 24 > > bits digital stuff. Just try it yourself and let me know... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Obenauf" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > OK I See. You prefer analog 1/2" over everything, and DAT over > > > CD-R? Would you rather master off of a 24bit Masterlink or 16-bit DAT > or > > > 24-bit DAT? > > > > > > Not arguing with you, just curious since I prefer my Masterlink to my > DAT > > > in most cases. But I do classical recording, so I guess it's such > > > different applications they can't really be compared..... I've heard > > great > > > sounds coming out of so many different machines (even cassettes, the > point > > > of this list) that I guess that no one machine is the best for every > > > situation..... > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > At 04:54 PM 10/23/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > >I simply still prefer the masters from Analogue 1/2". By the way, most > of > > > >the big important projects still mixed to 1/2" even those recorded on > Pro > > > >Tools. > > > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Richard Obenauf" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 2:56 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT Tapes > > > > > > > > > > > > > What don't you like about Masterlink? > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Obenauf > > > cestmoi at att.net > > > +1 505 220 0506 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Oct 25 15:46:19 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 09:46:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... In-Reply-To: <001401c27c2d$14babc70$c91f2ac4@CopyTech> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> <000f01c27b87$fff71720$431f2ac4@CopyTech> <003801c27ba2$087be190$83106343@johnnyrotten> <001401c27c2d$14babc70$c91f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <1035553579.3db94b2b8779f@mail.ce.net> Carlos, What do you mean? John Quoting El Magnifico : > No. Semi-ill means that it wasn't as I expected. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > "semi-ill" meaning chewed/mangled tape? > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "El Magnifico" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > Very interesting Roland, but I think I have enough with the semi-ill > > > Marathon Tape, so' I'll pass ... > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:09 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > > > > I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum on > > Yahoo. > > > > But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an > interesting > > > > contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open reel > > format, > > > > the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone who > > > wants > > > > to participate: > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > From: Kurt Fisher > > > > US Recording Media > > > > usrecordingmedia at rcn.com > > > > > > > > We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea jump > > off > > > of > > > > a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and make > it > > > sing > > > > like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. > > > > > > > > We have three files on the internet on Win MX (http//www.winmx.com). > One > > > > file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and the > third > > > is > > > > a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is > Sailboat. > > > The > > > > files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. > What > > is > > > > the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with > > whatever > > > > resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered and > other > > > > sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) > > > > > > > > What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us with > all > > > three > > > > improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 track > > 7.5 > > > > IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape you > > use > > > > but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. > > > > > > > > Who's Judging this? > > > > > > > > We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music > > professor > > > > (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where prohibited. > > > > > > > > Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the contest > > until > > > > Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. > > > > > > > > We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at > > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be on > AOL > > at > > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is easiest. > > > Either > > > > WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more of a > > pain > > > fo > > > > r something like this perhaps than its worth. > > > > > > > > What do we get for the effort? > > > > > > > > The winner has a choice of: > > > > > > > > One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape SUB > > > > or > > > > One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape in > > Tape > > > > Care Boxes > > > > or > > > > Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General Purpose > Tape > > > > or > > > > 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing > Tabs > > > > or > > > > One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes > > > > > > > > Plus > > > > > > > > Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with 200 > > > > Medical Grade Q Tips > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels > black > > or > > > > natural anodized. > > > > > > > > What about shipping? > > > > Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. Hawaii and Alaska > or > > > > international must pay for air freight > > > > > > > > Where do I send the tapes? > > > > > > > > Send them to: > > > > > > > > 2002 Contest > > > > US Recording Media > > > > 1731 Lord Byron Dr > > > > Bethlehem, Pa 18017 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fisher > > > > US Recording Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Oct 25 18:22:30 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:22:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> <000f01c27b87$fff71720$431f2ac4@CopyTech> <003801c27ba2$087be190$83106343@johnnyrotten> <001401c27c2d$14babc70$c91f2ac4@CopyTech> <1035553579.3db94b2b8779f@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <000e01c27c42$ba35a9c0$eb1f2ac4@CopyTech> John: you know what happened. The tape were not finished. Just sit back, relax and wait for your copy. ! It's gonna be $10.00 for the CDR and that includes the delivery. I'll keep all the guys posted,so, don't worry. I have a very busy schedule right now, so, when the free time arrives I'll master the tapes and do everything in 1 day. After that, anyone interested mail me the MO and I send back the disc copy. I'll make only 1 CD of 80 minutes long, meaning that I'll make the final decision of the material to be used. No time and no money to make 2 volumes. Incidentally, the best sounding material were recorded in the least expensive machines. That's life ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > Carlos, > > What do you mean? > > John > > Quoting El Magnifico : > > > No. Semi-ill means that it wasn't as I expected. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > "semi-ill" meaning chewed/mangled tape? > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "El Magnifico" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting Roland, but I think I have enough with the semi-ill > > > > Marathon Tape, so' I'll pass ... > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:09 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum on > > > Yahoo. > > > > > But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an > > interesting > > > > > contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open reel > > > format, > > > > > the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone who > > > > wants > > > > > to participate: > > > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > From: Kurt Fisher > > > > > US Recording Media > > > > > usrecordingmedia at rcn.com > > > > > > > > > > We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea jump > > > off > > > > of > > > > > a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and make > > it > > > > sing > > > > > like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. > > > > > > > > > > We have three files on the internet on Win MX (http//www.winmx.com). > > One > > > > > file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and the > > third > > > > is > > > > > a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is > > Sailboat. > > > > The > > > > > files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. > > What > > > is > > > > > the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with > > > whatever > > > > > resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered and > > other > > > > > sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us with > > all > > > > three > > > > > improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 track > > > 7.5 > > > > > IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape you > > > use > > > > > but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. > > > > > > > > > > Who's Judging this? > > > > > > > > > > We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music > > > professor > > > > > (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where prohibited. > > > > > > > > > > Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the contest > > > until > > > > > Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. > > > > > > > > > > We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at > > > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be on > > AOL > > > at > > > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is easiest. > > > > Either > > > > > WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more of a > > > pain > > > > fo > > > > > r something like this perhaps than its worth. > > > > > > > > > > What do we get for the effort? > > > > > > > > > > The winner has a choice of: > > > > > > > > > > One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape SUB > > > > > or > > > > > One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape in > > > Tape > > > > > Care Boxes > > > > > or > > > > > Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General Purpose > > Tape > > > > > or > > > > > 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing > > Tabs > > > > > or > > > > > One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes > > > > > > > > > > Plus > > > > > > > > > > Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with 200 > > > > > Medical Grade Q Tips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels > > black > > > or > > > > > natural anodized. > > > > > > > > > > What about shipping? > > > > > Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. Hawaii and Alaska > > or > > > > > international must pay for air freight > > > > > > > > > > Where do I send the tapes? > > > > > > > > > > Send them to: > > > > > > > > > > 2002 Contest > > > > > US Recording Media > > > > > 1731 Lord Byron Dr > > > > > Bethlehem, Pa 18017 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kurt Fisher > > > > > US Recording Media > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Oct 25 18:54:04 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 12:54:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... In-Reply-To: <000e01c27c42$ba35a9c0$eb1f2ac4@CopyTech> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20021023135444.026e9420@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <5.0.2.1.1.20021023162529.02340c40@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <00de01c27b70$f9a726b0$d61f2ac4@CopyTech> <001d01c27b77$be6267c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> <000f01c27b87$fff71720$431f2ac4@CopyTech> <003801c27ba2$087be190$83106343@johnnyrotten> <001401c27c2d$14babc70$c91f2ac4@CopyTech> <1035553579.3db94b2b8779f@mail.ce.net> <000e01c27c42$ba35a9c0$eb1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <1035564844.3db9772c89eaf@mail.ce.net> Wonderful Carlos, I can't wait to hear the CD. Save all that work for a rainy day! I assume that you will first dub our cassette masters to your Studer 1/2" at 30 ips. with Dolby SR! ;-) Isn't that something, maybe the guys with the Dragons should swop with the Advent 201 guys, that last machine mentioned as I think it's Stephen's favourite tape puller! John Quoting El Magnifico : > John: you know what happened. The tape were not finished. Just sit back, > relax and wait for your copy. ! It's gonna be $10.00 for the CDR and > that includes the delivery. I'll keep all the guys posted,so, don't worry. > I > have a very busy schedule right now, so, when the free time arrives I'll > master the tapes and do everything in 1 day. After that, anyone interested > mail me the MO and I send back the disc copy. I'll make only 1 CD of 80 > minutes long, meaning that I'll make the final decision of the material to > be used. No time and no money to make 2 volumes. > > Incidentally, the best sounding material were recorded in the least > expensive machines. That's life ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 8:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > Carlos, > > > > What do you mean? > > > > John > > > > Quoting El Magnifico : > > > > > No. Semi-ill means that it wasn't as I expected. > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 4:11 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > > > > "semi-ill" meaning chewed/mangled tape? > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "El Magnifico" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:05 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very interesting Roland, but I think I have enough with the > semi-ill > > > > > Marathon Tape, so' I'll pass ... > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:09 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] For the Reel Crowd........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know a few of us already participate in the Reel to Reel forum > on > > > > Yahoo. > > > > > > But for those who don't and who have reel decks, there's an > > > interesting > > > > > > contest going on. It requires you send a submission via open > reel > > > > format, > > > > > > the rest of the details are below. I believe it's open to anyone > who > > > > > wants > > > > > > to participate: > > > > > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kurt Fisher > > > > > > US Recording Media > > > > > > usrecordingmedia at rcn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > We've heard there's a lot of guys out there that can hear a flea > jump > > > > off > > > > > of > > > > > > a buffalo...and they can take a regular grody...very bad LP and > make > > > it > > > > > sing > > > > > > like an angel. We now present the fall 2002 challenge. > > > > > > > > > > > > We have three files on the internet on Win MX > (http//www.winmx.com). > > > One > > > > > > file is a piano guy, the second is an old very scratchy LP and > the > > > third > > > > > is > > > > > > a live recording of a rock group from the 60's. Our Subfile is > > > Sailboat. > > > > > The > > > > > > files are called wood cutter 1, wood cutter 2, and wood cutter 3. > > > What > > > > is > > > > > > the challenge? Make these recordings sound the best you can with > > > > whatever > > > > > > resources you have. Keep in mind these files have been altered > and > > > other > > > > > > sources will fail. (We know what we're doing.) > > > > > > > > > > > > What do I have to do? You must return an open reel tape to us > with > > > all > > > > > three > > > > > > improved recordings by Nov 30, 2002. It may be 1/2 track or 1/4 > track > > > > 7.5 > > > > > > IPS or 15 IPS DBX Type 1 or No DBX. We don't care what brand tape > you > > > > use > > > > > > but keep in mind the better tape might sound better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Who's Judging this? > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a panel of sound experts including one Ivy League music > > > > professor > > > > > > (he's tough but fair). All opinions are final. Void where > prohibited. > > > > > > > > > > > > Our server should be available after 5:00PM Eastern for the > contest > > > > until > > > > > > Nov 30, 2002 on www.winmx.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > We've also put wood_cutter_1 and wood_cutter_2 on AOL at > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording. Wood_cutter_3 is going to be > on > > > AOL > > > > at > > > > > > http://members.aol.com/usrecording2 shortly. Perhaps this is > easiest. > > > > > Either > > > > > > WINMX or AOL FTP, either should work. It's true, winmx is more > of > a > > > > pain > > > > > fo > > > > > > r something like this perhaps than its worth. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do we get for the effort? > > > > > > > > > > > > The winner has a choice of: > > > > > > > > > > > > One Case of 40 Quantegy GP9 7" Reel x 1200' 1/4" Open Reel Tape > SUB > > > > > > or > > > > > > One Case of 10 of Quantegy GP9 10.5" x 2500' 1/4" Open Reel Tape > in > > > > Tape > > > > > > Care Boxes > > > > > > or > > > > > > Three cases of Quantegy 041 Tape (120 Pieces) 1/4" General > Purpose > > > Tape > > > > > > or > > > > > > 4 TME 1/4" Splicing Blocks Black Plus a Box of 1000 1/4" Splicing > > > Tabs > > > > > > or > > > > > > One Case of 10 Quantegy 456 10.5" x 2500 1/4 " in Tape Care Boxes > > > > > > > > > > > > Plus > > > > > > > > > > > > Two Bottles (4 Oz Total) of American Recorder S721H Cleaner with > 200 > > > > > > Medical Grade Q Tips > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In addition, the winner gets two 7" Metal precison take up reels > > > black > > > > or > > > > > > natural anodized. > > > > > > > > > > > > What about shipping? > > > > > > Shipping is included to the lower 48 states by UPS. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SPetersen at blizzard.com Fri Oct 25 20:53:47 2002 From: SPetersen at blizzard.com (Scott Petersen) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 11:53:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help Message-ID: Well, right now my BX-300 is all taken apart and I am trying to figure out how best to access the takeup/supply motor for a gear update installation. I have successfuly removed the entire transport assembly from the unit but cannot figure how to elegantly replace the motor. I guess I should have bought the service manual when I purchaced the gear update kit from nakusa, but it seemed easy enough after replacing the idler rubber a couple of times. Anyway, this is a serious puzzle and I know enough not to go removing screws willie nillie at this point. If anyone could give me pointers or pass me a service manual copy, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Scott Petersen ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Oct 25 22:43:25 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:13:25 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help Message-ID: <20021025204325.974BB11492E@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Oct 25 22:54:47 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:54:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) Message-ID: Carlos! Great that you're back at home and will soon get into the final mastering of the M-Tape compilation to compact disc. May I pose two questions regarding content, 1) how many tracks will you place on the 80 minute compact disc? 2) provide us with a bit more feedback on the quality of recording comparison, and with the less quality contributions, the higher-end Naks I presume, what is your opinion of what the problems were that caused lackluster results (like wow & flutter, azimuth error, wore heads, et cetera?). We all know that you're the Man, the Tape Expert Man, so let's have it, what's the verdict on those high-end Naks and why they may have performed so mundanely? What can we learn from our collaborative experience?? Best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:44:45 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com, rob755 at cwnet.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but all things considered, I would speculate that something could be accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and duplication. Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay on our own audio sound systems! Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Best regards, K.J. Bleus M-Tape PR Coordinator --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SPetersen at blizzard.com Fri Oct 25 23:34:22 2002 From: SPetersen at blizzard.com (Scott Petersen) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:34:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help Message-ID: Wow, thank you so much. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help You can download the actual manual for Gaer Update -in Naks.com ftp site - http://support.naks.com/support username;naktalk password; Limited Check service manuals part. Good luck - You have to remove the reel hubs and reel hub holding bracket etc. Needs patience as well as keep all small parts togther. You also keep track of the squence of component placement. Good luck Kannan SPetersen at blizzard.com wrote Well, right now my BX-300 is all taken apart and I am trying to figure out how best to access the takeup/supply motor for a gear update installation. I have successfuly removed the entire transport assembly from the unit but cannot figure how to elegantly replace the motor. I guess I should have bought the service manual when I purchaced the gear update kit from nakusa, but it seemed easy enough after replacing the idler rubber a couple of times. Anyway, this is a serious puzzle and I know enough not to go removing screws willie nillie at this point. If anyone could give me pointers or pass me a service manual copy, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Scott Petersen ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The rubber idler will last a couple of years in normal home use, which is the reason why it has been replaced by the gear. However, the idler can be rejuvenated a few times by careful cleaning and is comparatively cheap and easy to replace. -- Ron > Regards, > > Fahad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 26 02:15:45 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 20:15:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) References: Message-ID: <004d01c27c84$d4b1e1f0$51116343@johnnyrotten> I agree Carlos, don't hold back. Tell us the whole dirty truth! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > Carlos! Great that you're back at home and will soon get into the final mastering of the M-Tape compilation to compact disc. May I pose two questions regarding content, 1) how many tracks will you place on the 80 minute compact disc? 2) provide us with a bit more feedback on the quality of recording comparison, and with the less quality contributions, the higher-end Naks I presume, what is your opinion of what the problems were that caused lackluster results (like wow & flutter, azimuth error, wore heads, et cetera?). We all know that you're the Man, the Tape Expert Man, so let's have it, what's the verdict on those high-end Naks and why they may have performed so mundanely? What can we learn from our collaborative experience?? > > Best regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:44:45 > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: naktalk at naks.com, rob755 at cwnet.com > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but all things considered, I would speculate that something could be accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and duplication. > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay on our own audio sound systems! > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Oct 26 09:39:25 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 09:39:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends Message-ID: Just watching the appalling theatre drama in south Moscow unfold, and come to an end. My sympathy to any and all innocent victims in this latest piece of naked terrorism. Our friends Nicholas Gornostayev and Nick Igritski - hope you and yours are not directly affected in this saga. Take care, Marc Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 26 10:52:28 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 01:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021026085228.9925.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> There used to be an old joke running around Russia after the first Chechen campaign. We have bad news and worse news: The bad news is - You've been taken hostage by Chechwen Rebels The worse news is - You are about to be rescued by elite Russian Commandos But it seems they've gotten their act together Only 20 fatalities in what had looked to be an inescapable massacre. The Americans may want to study this outstanding operation!!! Congrats! Javier --- Mark Hugo wrote: > Just watching the appalling theatre drama in south > Moscow unfold, and come to an end. My sympathy to > any and all innocent victims in this latest piece of > naked terrorism. Our friends Nicholas Gornostayev > and Nick Igritski - hope you and yours are not > directly affected in this saga. > > Take care, > > Marc > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel > and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Oct 26 11:37:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 10:37:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends In-Reply-To: <20021026085228.9925.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c27cd3$469f8bc0$d0e9193e@oemcomputer> First I'd like to second Marc's comments. Indeed, the song words that go "there but for Future go you or I ..." rings true because my wife and children are presently living in Moscow and she and an American friend were planning to go to see that show and had only been put off by the ticket prices! Also like to second Javier, too. Having lived with a Russian wife meant we got Russian TV by satellite. I became glued to the set watching in astonishment and admiration at the "fly on the wall" TV programmes showing Russian Spetznaz busting in and arresting kidnappers and other highly dangerous criminals. The comparison with our own SAS was obvious. When the SAS go in their training is to shoot the bad guys and keep shooting until he stops moving - in other words, kill them. No prisoners. But those Spetznaz I saw employed very skilled techniques that allowed them to catch most of their bad guys alive. Very bruised but alive and healthy enough to go straight to trial. Big respect. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: 26 October 2002 09:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends > > > There used to be an old joke running around Russia > after the first Chechen campaign. > > We have bad news and worse news: > > The bad news is - > You've been taken hostage by Chechwen Rebels > > The worse news is - > You are about to be rescued by elite Russian Commandos > > > > But it seems they've gotten their act together > Only 20 fatalities in what had looked to be an > inescapable massacre. The Americans may want > to study this outstanding operation!!! > > Congrats! > > Javier > > > > > --- Mark Hugo wrote: > > Just watching the appalling theatre drama in south > > Moscow unfold, and come to an end. My sympathy to > > any and all innocent victims in this latest piece of > > naked terrorism. Our friends Nicholas Gornostayev > > and Nick Igritski - hope you and yours are not > > directly affected in this saga. > > > > Take care, > > > > Marc > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Oct 26 11:47:55 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:47:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends Message-ID: That's true Xavier, I think the rescue team have definitely done a brilliant job in nightmare circumstances; their main objective being to prevent detonation of explosives in the building. Mission accomplished. Let's hope the Chechnyans have learnt that the Russians are not prepared to sup with the devil. But, unfortunately, experience has shown that these blokes are slow learners..... Cheers, Marc >>> summarex at yahoo.com 10/26/02 10:52AM >>> There used to be an old joke running around Russia after the first Chechen campaign. We have bad news and worse news: The bad news is - You've been taken hostage by Chechwen Rebels The worse news is - You are about to be rescued by elite Russian Commandos But it seems they've gotten their act together Only 20 fatalities in what had looked to be an inescapable massacre. The Americans may want to study this outstanding operation!!! Congrats! Javier --- Mark Hugo wrote: > Just watching the appalling theatre drama in south > Moscow unfold, and come to an end. My sympathy to > any and all innocent victims in this latest piece of > naked terrorism. Our friends Nicholas Gornostayev > and Nick Igritski - hope you and yours are not > directly affected in this saga. > > Take care, > > Marc > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel > and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 26 12:54:25 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 03:54:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021026105425.81477.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy guys I was a little premature. The death doll is up to 67 hostages. Still very good considering it was a loose-loose proposition. The only downside is that the other side learns from its mistakes as well. The next time they will probably go in shooting and exploding. That makes me wonder if the rebels bothered to consider that there was no chance in hell the Russians could ever accede even if they'de wanted to. If they thought this out, there would have been no standoff. Just a massacre There will be repercussions here in NY of course. I can imagine having to go through metal detectors to see the next movie! - A joint conspiracy between the DVD industry and binLaden no doubt! Seriously though, this sort of thing is catchy. It seems that when this much power is released by a small group of individuals it inspire all sorts of people -marginalized rightly or wrongly - to carry out similar acts which can range from the symbolic discharge of a few rounds in the air at the UN in the name of Korean democracy to the random shooting of civillians in Maryland. Unfortunately, the only alternative to capitulation always seems to be to turn the country into an armed encampment where the saviours in the uniforms overstay their welcome and eventually become the enemies to be loathed. Creating these conditions is the raison de etre of these sabotage psy-ops known as terrorism and we need a third alternative! See Ya Javier --- Mark Hugo wrote: > That's true Xavier, > > I think the rescue team have definitely done a > brilliant job in nightmare circumstances; their main > objective being to prevent detonation of explosives > in the building. Mission accomplished. Let's hope > the Chechnyans have learnt that the Russians are not > prepared to sup with the devil. But, unfortunately, > experience has shown that these blokes are slow > learners..... > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> summarex at yahoo.com 10/26/02 10:52AM >>> > There used to be an old joke running around Russia > after the first Chechen campaign. > > We have bad news and worse news: > > The bad news is - > You've been taken hostage by Chechwen Rebels > > The worse news is - > You are about to be rescued by elite Russian > Commandos > > > > But it seems they've gotten their act together > Only 20 fatalities in what had looked to be an > inescapable massacre. The Americans may want > to study this outstanding operation!!! > > Congrats! > > Javier > > > > > --- Mark Hugo wrote: > > Just watching the appalling theatre drama in south > > Moscow unfold, and come to an end. My sympathy to > > any and all innocent victims in this latest piece > of > > naked terrorism. Our friends Nicholas Gornostayev > > and Nick Igritski - hope you and yours are not > > directly affected in this saga. > > > > Take care, > > > > Marc > > > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel > > and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > > Arrive in Awe.... > > .... Depart Thunderstruck > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Y! 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Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Sat Oct 26 13:30:14 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 07:30:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends (The third alternative) In-Reply-To: <20021026105425.81477.qmail@web40812.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3DBA4486.12675.97A07@localhost> > There will be repercussions here in NY of course. I > can imagine having to go through metal detectors to > see the next movie! - A joint conspiracy between the > DVD industry and binLaden no doubt! > > Seriously though, this sort of thing is catchy. It > seems that when this much power is released by a small > group of individuals it inspire all sorts of people > -marginalized rightly or wrongly - to carry out > similar acts which can range from the symbolic > discharge of a few rounds in the air at the UN in the > name of Korean democracy to the random shooting of > civillians in Maryland. Unfortunately, the only > alternative to capitulation always seems to be to turn > the country into an armed encampment where the > saviours in the uniforms overstay their welcome and > eventually become the enemies to be loathed. > Creating these conditions is the raison de etre of > these sabotage psy-ops known as terrorism and we need > a third alternative! I can see that sort of thing happening in NYC, or Maryland, DC, or Virginia. I don't see it happening in Florida or any other concealed carry state. Why would a group of terrorists risk taking hostages when many of them may be armed? It is safer to do your nefarious deeds where the victims are disarmed by a state which cannot protect them. PLEASE, no major flap over this, it's just my opinion. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 26 14:03:26 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends (The third alternative) In-Reply-To: <3DBA4486.12675.97A07@localhost> Message-ID: <20021026120326.49599.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Quite so However a town of lightly armed and even motorized :) but unorganized citizenry can be brought down in minutes by an similarly equipped armed force. Unrestricted gun ownership is great for protecting property or maintaining quality of life and should be the ley of the land, but is useless for repelling armed assaults or holding territory. The citizens are simply unable to execute movements and can only act in a harassing capacity and then only at great cost to themselves. I don't know if it's been studied but it would be fascinating to see the results of a war game between an ordinary army front line unit and the citizens defenders of nowhereville. See Ya Javier --- "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > There will be repercussions here in NY of course. > I > > can imagine having to go through metal detectors > to > > see the next movie! - A joint conspiracy between > the > > DVD industry and binLaden no doubt! > > > > Seriously though, this sort of thing is catchy. It > > seems that when this much power is released by a > small > > group of individuals it inspire all sorts of > people > > -marginalized rightly or wrongly - to carry out > > similar acts which can range from the symbolic > > discharge of a few rounds in the air at the UN in > the > > name of Korean democracy to the random shooting of > > civillians in Maryland. Unfortunately, the only > > alternative to capitulation always seems to be to > turn > > the country into an armed encampment where the > > saviours in the uniforms overstay their welcome > and > > eventually become the enemies to be loathed. > > Creating these conditions is the raison de etre of > > these sabotage psy-ops known as terrorism and we > need > > a third alternative! > > I can see that sort of thing happening in NYC, or > Maryland, DC, or Virginia. I don't see it > happening in Florida or any other concealed carry > state. > > Why would a group of terrorists risk taking hostages > when many of them may be armed? > It is safer to do your nefarious deeds where the > victims are disarmed by a state which > cannot protect them. > > PLEASE, no major flap over this, it's just my > opinion. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Oct 26 14:48:48 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 05:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends (The third alternative) In-Reply-To: <3DBA4486.12675.97A07@localhost> Message-ID: <20021026124848.40416.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > There will be repercussions here in NY of course. > I > > can imagine having to go through metal detectors > to > > see the next movie! - A joint conspiracy between > the > > DVD industry and binLaden no doubt! > > > > Seriously though, this sort of thing is catchy. It > > seems that when this much power is released by a > small > > group of individuals it inspire all sorts of > people > > -marginalized rightly or wrongly - to carry out > > similar acts which can range from the symbolic > > discharge of a few rounds in the air at the UN in > the > > name of Korean democracy to the random shooting of > > civillians in Maryland. Unfortunately, the only > > alternative to capitulation always seems to be to > turn > > the country into an armed encampment where the > > saviours in the uniforms overstay their welcome > and > > eventually become the enemies to be loathed. > > Creating these conditions is the raison de etre of > > these sabotage psy-ops known as terrorism and we > need > > a third alternative! > > I can see that sort of thing happening in NYC, or > Maryland, DC, or Virginia. I don't see it > happening in Florida or any other concealed carry > state. > > Why would a group of terrorists risk taking hostages > when many of them may be armed? > It is safer to do your nefarious deeds where the > victims are disarmed by a state which > cannot protect them. > > PLEASE, no major flap over this, it's just my > opinion. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 26 18:13:52 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:13:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) References: Message-ID: <002501c27d0a$add77a00$da1f2ac4@CopyTech> Until now, it looks like azymuth discrepancy with my Dragon. For this type of work I'll better use a manual azymuth adjustment instead of an auto one. One of the best sounding material (I'm speaking about sound, nor musical performance) came from an old 700 II and the others from some 680 etc ... For this case, I'll go straight from the Cassette Masters to the SADIE System Disk Editor using some ORAM & NTI analog processors. I can also go trough my PRISM AD converter and do the processing straight digital using WEISS processors. I can also do a hybrid mastering. I'm inclined to the first option since this list has a lot of analogue advocates. On cassette deck maint., I can add that a poorly misaligned 1000 ZXL will sound like crap when compared to a well maintained MR-2... So, in other words, some of the selected material will be a little bit "doctorated" before getting the final PQ codes. The material will be non-stop with croosfades but each track will contain its individual track index. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > Carlos! Great that you're back at home and will soon get into the final mastering of the M-Tape compilation to compact disc. May I pose two questions regarding content, 1) how many tracks will you place on the 80 minute compact disc? 2) provide us with a bit more feedback on the quality of recording comparison, and with the less quality contributions, the higher-end Naks I presume, what is your opinion of what the problems were that caused lackluster results (like wow & flutter, azimuth error, wore heads, et cetera?). We all know that you're the Man, the Tape Expert Man, so let's have it, what's the verdict on those high-end Naks and why they may have performed so mundanely? What can we learn from our collaborative experience?? > > Best regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:44:45 > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: naktalk at naks.com, rob755 at cwnet.com > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but all things considered, I would speculate that something could be accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and duplication. > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay on our own audio sound systems! > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Oct 26 18:16:15 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:16:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Anyone interested .... Message-ID: <003201c27d0b$04df98f0$da1f2ac4@CopyTech> To anyone interested, this time, I'm offering 2 perfectly working MR-2's with good cosmetics for $175.00 ... Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Oct 26 17:58:10 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 11:58:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) References: <002501c27d0a$add77a00$da1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00d301c27d08$7bc120e0$2d106343@johnnyrotten> Very interesting Carlos, thank you. Can't wait to hear the CD. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > Until now, it looks like azymuth discrepancy with my Dragon. For this type > of work I'll better use a manual azymuth adjustment instead of an auto one. > One of the best sounding material (I'm speaking about sound, nor musical > performance) came from an old 700 II and the others from some 680 etc ... > > For this case, I'll go straight from the Cassette Masters to the SADIE > System Disk Editor using some ORAM & NTI analog processors. I can also go > trough my PRISM AD converter and do the processing straight digital using > WEISS processors. I can also do a hybrid mastering. > > I'm inclined to the first option since this list has a lot of analogue > advocates. > > On cassette deck maint., I can add that a poorly misaligned 1000 ZXL will > sound like crap when compared to a well maintained MR-2... So, in other > words, some of the selected material will be a little bit "doctorated" > before getting the final PQ codes. The material will be non-stop with > croosfades but each track will contain its individual track index. > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:54 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > > > Carlos! Great that you're back at home and will soon get into the final > mastering of the M-Tape compilation to compact disc. May I pose two > questions regarding content, 1) how many tracks will you place on the 80 > minute compact disc? 2) provide us with a bit more feedback on the quality > of recording comparison, and with the less quality contributions, the > higher-end Naks I presume, what is your opinion of what the problems were > that caused lackluster results (like wow & flutter, azimuth error, wore > heads, et cetera?). We all know that you're the Man, the Tape Expert Man, > so let's have it, what's the verdict on those high-end Naks and why they may > have performed so mundanely? What can we learn from our collaborative > experience?? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > DATE: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:44:45 > > From: "The BlueSwapper" > > To: naktalk at naks.com, rob755 at cwnet.com > > Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we > have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El > Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a > business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master > our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to > participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but > all things considered, I would speculate that something could be > accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the > time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and > CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that > included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that > a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy > of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics > and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and > duplication. > > > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated > directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. > Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an > opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs > are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented > music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the > option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by > doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay > on our own audio sound systems! > > > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update > from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Oct 26 21:08:32 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:08:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) Message-ID: <3DCF5F36@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Carlos, are you suggesting my 1000zxl is misaligned! Fred ===== Original Message From "El Magnifico" ===== >Until now, it looks like azymuth discrepancy with my Dragon. For this type >of work I'll better use a manual azymuth adjustment instead of an auto one. >One of the best sounding material (I'm speaking about sound, nor musical >performance) came from an old 700 II and the others from some 680 etc ... > >For this case, I'll go straight from the Cassette Masters to the SADIE >System Disk Editor using some ORAM & NTI analog processors. I can also go >trough my PRISM AD converter and do the processing straight digital using >WEISS processors. I can also do a hybrid mastering. > >I'm inclined to the first option since this list has a lot of analogue >advocates. > >On cassette deck maint., I can add that a poorly misaligned 1000 ZXL will >sound like crap when compared to a well maintained MR-2... So, in other >words, some of the selected material will be a little bit "doctorated" >before getting the final PQ codes. The material will be non-stop with >croosfades but each track will contain its individual track index. > >Carlos > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 3:54 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > >> Carlos! Great that you're back at home and will soon get into the final >mastering of the M-Tape compilation to compact disc. May I pose two >questions regarding content, 1) how many tracks will you place on the 80 >minute compact disc? 2) provide us with a bit more feedback on the quality >of recording comparison, and with the less quality contributions, the >higher-end Naks I presume, what is your opinion of what the problems were >that caused lackluster results (like wow & flutter, azimuth error, wore >heads, et cetera?). We all know that you're the Man, the Tape Expert Man, >so let's have it, what's the verdict on those high-end Naks and why they may >have performed so mundanely? What can we learn from our collaborative >experience?? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Bleus >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >> >> --------- Forwarded Message --------- >> >> DATE: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 15:44:45 >> From: "The BlueSwapper" >> To: naktalk at naks.com, rob755 at cwnet.com >> Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com >> Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: >> >> I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we >have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El >Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. >> >> Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a >business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master >our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to >participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but >all things considered, I would speculate that something could be >accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the >time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and >CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. >> >> Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that >included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that >a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy >of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics >and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and >duplication. >> >> Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated >directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. >Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an >opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs >are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented >music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the >option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by >doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay >on our own audio sound systems! >> >> Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update >from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html >> >> Best regards, >> >> K.J. Bleus >> M-Tape PR Coordinator >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >> ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! >> Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Oct 26 21:43:08 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 20:43:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: One of your heroes, Mr Bleus References: Message-ID: <3DBAF04C.5010002@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Mr Bleus I notice that your website features a shot of the grave of the late, great Muddy Waters, real name McKinley Morganfield. His son, Big Bill Morganfield has just completed a tour of the UK. I did not manage to see him this time, but I will next time. When Big Bill is in the UK, he gets several band members from my area, and the whole band have been using Portland as a base from time to time.(A local musician called Mick has played lead guitar with Big Bill. Mick also fixed my roof when it leaked....) Anyway, last Thursday I went to my local pub for the weekly jam session, and half of Big Bill's band were playing or watching. Tad (I did not catch his surname) the permanent (ie US) bass player in Big Bill's band showed up. Apparently, a couple of weeks ago, Tad had done a wonderful set on harmonica with a local band. This time, he sat down with a mike and a National Steel guitar, and did the most fantastic solo blues set I have ever heard for a while - and I've seen John Lee Hooker, Albert Collins and a few others. It was as if Muddy Waters or Robert Johnson had been reincarnated. Great entertainment, and much appreciated by the audience, although some of them were a bit taken aback by the intensity of the performance. I also felt a bit sorry for the local singer who had to follow Tad. I am now working on a theory why white *English* men can't sing the blues. (Apart from Chris Farlowe maybe) John(nie) Walker Owner of a Nak 700 II - oh please, please, please let it be my contribution that El Magnifico liked so much.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Oct 26 21:50:04 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 01:20:04 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20021026195004.ED47C114932@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Sun Oct 27 00:02:51 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 18:02:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends (The third alternative) In-Reply-To: <20021026120326.49599.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3DBA4486.12675.97A07@localhost> Message-ID: <3DBAD8CB.5907.21B0A70@localhost> > I > don't know if it's been studied but it would be > fascinating to see the results of a war game between > an ordinary army front line unit and the citizens > defenders of nowhereville. > > See Ya > Javier > I believe that they called it the Warsaw Ghetto. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Oct 27 04:36:45 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 03:36:45 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: (none) Message-ID: <3DD533F8@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Kannan The interesting thing is that that particular 1000zxl and my cr7 hav recently been serviced at Nak Uk. The azimuth is spot on equal on those two machines. I also have a dragon that i checked against those two by recording and it has a different azimuth setting-about 30 degrees of Knob turn on the cr7! Fred ===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >I felt that Carlos is trying to tell an important point regarding correct alignment - not your recording. I felt that head height as well as head azimuth alignment both together play a very important role in your recording/ play back just not the azimuth alignment alone. >I found nearly aany tape plays well on the Stephen's CR7 when it reached me just because it had the perfect alignment ( Wher is he anyway - Stephen are you on this planet?) >Kannan > >fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote >>Carlos, >are you suggesting my 1000zxl is misaligned! >Fred > > >===== Original Message From "El Magnifico" ===== >>Until now, it looks like azymuth discrepancy with my Dragon. For this type >>of work I'll better use a manual azymuth adjustment instead of an auto one. >>One of the best sounding material (I'm speaking about sound, nor musical >>performance) came from an old 700 II and the others from some 680 etc ... >> >>For this case, I'll go straight from the Cassette Masters to the SADIE >>System Disk Editor using some ORAM & NTI analog processors. I can also go >>trough my PRISM AD converter and do the processing straight digital using >>WEISS processors. I can also do a hybrid mastering. >> >>I'm inclined to the first option since this list has a lot of analogue >>advocates. >> >>On cassette deck maint., I can add that a poorly misaligned 1000 ZXL will >>sound like crap when compared to a well maintained MR-2... So, in other >>words, some of the selected material will be a little bit "doctorated" >>before getting the final PQ codes. The material will be non-stop with >>croosfades but each track will contain its individual track index. >> >>Carlos >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Oct 27 07:25:54 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 11:55:54 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] RE: (none) Message-ID: <20021027062554.5B58511497A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sun Oct 27 12:37:13 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:37:13 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] from your Russian friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19609.021027@mtu-net.ru> Hello guys, Thank you for your solidarity with the victims of this horrible terror action. I live in Moscow and those days and nights were very difficult for every of us, we Thanks a Lot to our Special Troops for rescue operation, but I ask myself "why so many victims???" Our officials don't say all the truth about this operation and about chemical weapons they used. A lot of people were killed by this weapon, is it the right way to rescue people? We here in Moscow are filled with a very mixed and alternating emotions after this act. This terror action and rescue operation makes more questions than answers for us - russian people, the only one thing is clear - all cicvilised world is now in a WW-III against terrorism. We should be more open minded and closer to each other in the world and we should help our governments to understand that people are PEOPLE and we want to be alive and happy on this small planet. So, No Terrorism, No War! With regards, Vladimir Zimakov. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Oct 27 15:48:39 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:48:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] from your Russian friend In-Reply-To: <19609.021027@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <20021027144839.2455.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy The troops did their job well but the negotiators didn't. The idea is to keep the hostage takers well entertained until the last moment, by offering all sorts of deals and promises that are never going to be kept. That wasn't done. Btw: the troops only stormed once the hostage takers had started shooting the hostages, making the less than 100 figure even more miraculous. As for terrorists, it's tempting to condemn etremism but we must remember that we are the Wahabyists of the audio world! Javier --- Vladimir wrote: > Hello guys, > > Thank you for your solidarity with the victims of > this horrible terror > action. > > I live in Moscow and those days and nights were very > difficult for > every of us, we Thanks a Lot to our Special Troops > for rescue operation, but > I ask myself "why so many victims???" Our officials > don't say all the > truth about this operation and about chemical > weapons they used. A > lot of people were killed by this weapon, is it the > right way to > rescue people? We here in Moscow are filled with a > very mixed and > alternating emotions after this act. > This terror action and rescue operation makes more > questions than answers for us - russian people, the > only one thing is clear > - all cicvilised world is now in a WW-III against > terrorism. We should > be more open minded and closer to each other in the > world and we > should help our governments to understand that > people are PEOPLE and > we want to be alive and happy on this small planet. > > So, No Terrorism, No War! > > With regards, > Vladimir Zimakov. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 27 15:58:53 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 14:58:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: New RCA Plug ... snake oil?? References: <000a01c27dbe$32383d80$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DBBFF2D.3080508@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham the Provocator: Isn't there enough pain and grief in this world without you starting yet another conflict? Oh well, I can't resist. As you know I try to remain agnostic on this subject. But there are too many flats who will buy this stuff, and enough sharps to keep them supplied with nonsense and bad products. (BTW Did you know that is where 'card sharp' came from?) Six pounds each is way over the top (the most expensive plugs in the Maplin catalogue are only two pounds each) and the bit about eddy current distortion is a new one on me. Come on Ron, lay into this one with your customary vigour, we've been missing it here...... John Walker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 27 16:07:52 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 10:07:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! References: <1288f5121c8a.121c8a1288f5@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3DBC0148.8CD78F47@rcn.com> smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > What kind of world are we living thesedays?? I just came back from a short visit to Israel, where terrorist attacks, mostly against women (bombing retail shops) and children (blowing up school buses) are an everyday occurrence. These atrocious crimes are perpetrated by the same kind of 'freedom fighters' that murdered over 5000 innocent people in NYC on September 11. There's nothing wrong with the world we live in -- there is something horribly wrong with some that live in it. Take heart, Salim; humanity will prevail. -- Ron > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Master > Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 9:24 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calling Salim! > > > Salim > > > > > > > > Our hearts and thoughts go with you in these times. > > Notwithstanding that the > > land bridges are gone, we share the hurt, anguish and horror that our > > neighbors suffer. > > > > > > > > Mariano > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 7:33:30 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Calling Salim! > > > > > > > > Heard the bad news today, old friend - you okay?? > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Oct 27 18:54:07 2002 From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk (mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 17:54:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help Message-ID: <3DBC283F.30949.C24490@localhost> Hi all! New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped functioning. No playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a second and then cut off. Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. John Bryce >From outside Glasgow ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Oct 27 19:29:21 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 13:29:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: New RCA Plug ... snake oil?? References: <000a01c27dbe$32383d80$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DBC3081.B3D0AA03@rcn.com> This is hilarious. Every line is pure BS techno babble. Regardless of the product itself, these people are downright dishonest. The single ground contact 'reduces eddy current distortion'? How do eddy currents appear in a non-ferrous material? And who says eddy currents cause distortion? Actually, a single point contact has far higher resistance than the surface contact of cheapo 25 cent RCA connectors -- not that this makes any difference. 'Fast heating solder platforms'? Can anyone point to a slow heating RCA connector? 'No nickel substrate to interfere with sound'? Who says nickel interferes with sound? And the part that takes the cake: Tellurium Copper contacts, up to 320% greater conductivity... We all know (or should know) how meaningful 'unto' claims are. And why would it make any difference? We are talking a fraction of a milliohm anyway, in a circuit where another 1000 ohms will make no audible difference whatsoever. The kicker is the price: about 10 bucks, for a simplistic two-pins-embeddded-in-plastic connector. These are GUARANTEED to sound no different than any reasonable quality RCA connector at 1/10 the price (provided one uses their ears to listen). No matter, it is also guaranteed that hi-end aficionados (that use their imagination, rather than their ears) will swear they can hear a **vast** improvement over RCA connectors that don't have the single contact, terillium copper (straight from Star Trek), engineering grade plastic features -- especially if mated to a $100 per ft. super duper posivium copper cable. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Any comments?! ;o) > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-1.com/bullet-plug.htm > > G > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Oct 27 19:31:05 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 20:31:05 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] from your Russian friend References: <20021027144839.2455.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Javier, The saddest point is that from 117 dead hostages only ONE has been killed by bullet, the rest died from the GAS used during the assault... So 116 people was killed by Russian special forces..... And about 500 people still suffered from this unknown gas. Misha >Howdy >The troops did their job well but the negotiators >didn't. The idea is to keep the hostage takers well >entertained until the last moment, by offering all >sorts of deals and promises that are never going to be >kept. That wasn't done. Btw: the troops only stormed >once the hostage takers had started shooting the >hostages, making the less than 100 figure even more >miraculous. > >As for terrorists, it's tempting to condemn etremism >but we must remember that we are the Wahabyists of the >audio world! >Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 27 19:55:10 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 18:55:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help In-Reply-To: <3DBC283F.30949.C24490@localhost> Message-ID: <000b01c27dea$60011c60$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> The official agents for repair is Bowers & Wilkins. I've lost the address - anyone got it? Otherwise, the nearest (and best for Europe) is in Holland. Lost their address, too! (Damned PC repair-man!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > Sent: 27 October 2002 17:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > Hi all! > > > New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- > > Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped > functioning. No > playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a > second and then cut off. > > Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. > > > > > > > John Bryce > From outside Glasgow > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Oct 27 20:00:26 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:00:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: New RCA Plug ... snake oil?? In-Reply-To: <3DBC3081.B3D0AA03@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000c01c27deb$1c8a2fc0$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Tee hee! Thought you'd like this one, Ron! ;o[) Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 27 October 2002 18:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: New RCA Plug ... snake oil?? > > > > This is hilarious. > > Every line is pure BS techno babble. Regardless of > the product itself, these people are downright > dishonest. > > The single ground contact 'reduces eddy current > distortion'? How do eddy currents appear in a > non-ferrous material? And who says eddy currents > cause distortion? Actually, a single point contact > has far higher resistance than the surface contact > of cheapo 25 cent RCA connectors -- not that this > makes any difference. > > 'Fast heating solder platforms'? Can anyone point > to a slow heating RCA connector? > > 'No nickel substrate to interfere with sound'? Who > says nickel interferes with sound? > > And the part that takes the cake: Tellurium Copper > contacts, up to 320% greater conductivity... We all > know (or should know) how meaningful 'unto' claims > are. And why would it make any difference? We are > talking a fraction of a milliohm anyway, in a circuit > where another 1000 ohms will make no audible difference > whatsoever. > > The kicker is the price: about 10 bucks, for a > simplistic two-pins-embeddded-in-plastic connector. > > These are GUARANTEED to sound no different than any > reasonable quality RCA connector at 1/10 the price > (provided one uses their ears to listen). No matter, > it is also guaranteed that hi-end aficionados (that > use their imagination, rather than their ears) will > swear they can hear a **vast** improvement over RCA > connectors that don't have the single contact, terillium > copper (straight from Star Trek), engineering grade > plastic features -- especially if mated to a $100 per > ft. super duper posivium copper cable. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Any comments?! ;o) > > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-1.com/bullet-plug.htm > > > > G > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Oct 27 20:10:06 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:10:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: (none) Message-ID: <3DE1B20B@mail.totalise.co.uk> Kannan, I unfortunately had to use a friends 1000zxl for the marathon tape. I broke mine and its sitting in a box waiting to be sent to mr Sank. When it was working I found it to be superior to the cr7 by a small margin and far superior to the Dragon for recording. The 1000zxl is a tiny bit brighter than the CR7 when playing back thru the Dragon. The Cr7 is a magnificent machine that is so easy to use but when you use the 1000zxl to make a tape you really feel you`ve acheived something-probably because of the sequences of setting up procedure that the microprocessor goes thru during calibration-it take about three times longer than the CR7 and you get lots of flashing lights! The only machine that I would like to own now is the ZX9 and I think that would be the Four Most Desireable Naks. Fred ===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >Fred >I should envy you for having all the three most desirable Naks. >What is your openion regarding the Rcord / replay performance of 1000ZXL vs the rest? >Kannan >fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote >>Hi Kannan >The interesting thing is that that particular 1000zxl and my cr7 hav recently >been serviced at Nak Uk. The azimuth is spot on equal on those two machines. I >also have a dragon that i checked against those two by recording and it has a >different azimuth setting-about 30 degrees of Knob turn on the cr7! >Fred > > > >===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >>I felt that Carlos is trying to tell an important point regarding correct >alignment - not your recording. I felt that head height as well as head >azimuth alignment both together play a very important role in your recording/ >play back just not the azimuth alignment alone. >>I found nearly aany tape plays well on the Stephen's CR7 when it reached me >just because it had the perfect alignment ( Wher is he anyway - Stephen are >you on this planet?) >>Kannan > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 27 20:44:07 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help References: <3DBC283F.30949.C24490@localhost> Message-ID: <001401c27df1$507f3720$28299bca@smarzuki> Hi John, I'm not a real tech guy here but it sounds like the problem lies on your tape counter bulb. Eject the cassette well and peek to the inside right - approximately behind the stop / rec button there should be a small bulb glowing (the bulb is located behind a small slotted wheel which is connected to the right hand reel hub). However, even with bulb off, rewind & FF should be able to move the tape for a second. If light is working fine, check if you can set the deck on pause (or pause-rec) for a longer time. If it can't be put on pause mode then probably cam motor belt is broken (you'd need to open the hood to verify this). Usually Stephen, 'the main nak-man' will jump to the rescue but looks like he's been very very busy lately. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help Hi all! New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped functioning. No playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a second and then cut off. Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. John Bryce >From outside Glasgow ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Oct 27 21:03:23 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 03:03:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help References: Message-ID: <002e01c27df3$e83afca0$28299bca@smarzuki> Be very careful ... like Kannan said, on the sequence, small parts and the now brittle cables. In short, you'll need to start from the back side (direct drive wheels, cam motor) and work your way front to the motorplate. If not mistaken, the whole thing has to come off (except the head block) before you can remove the reel motor bracket. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Petersen To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:34 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help Wow, thank you so much. -----Original Message----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 1:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hello - req gear update help You can download the actual manual for Gaer Update -in Naks.com ftp site - http://support.naks.com/support username;naktalk password; Limited Check service manuals part. Good luck - You have to remove the reel hubs and reel hub holding bracket etc. Needs patience as well as keep all small parts togther. You also keep track of the squence of component placement. Good luck Kannan SPetersen at blizzard.com wrote ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Sun Oct 27 22:01:51 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:01:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help+NAk Holland In-Reply-To: <000b01c27dea$60011c60$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c27dfc$15b74c80$13945dd5@jannis> The Nak repair service in Holland is: TransTec bv Brugwachter 19 3034 KD Rotterdam tel +31-(0)10-4147055 Fax +31-(0)10-4113580 e-mail transtec at transtec.nl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help The official agents for repair is Bowers & Wilkins. I've lost the address - anyone got it? Otherwise, the nearest (and best for Europe) is in Holland. Lost their address, too! (Damned PC repair-man!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > Sent: 27 October 2002 17:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > Hi all! > > > New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- > > Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped > functioning. No > playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a > second and then cut off. > > Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. > > > > > > > John Bryce > From outside Glasgow > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 27 22:31:19 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 21:31:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: New RCA Plug ... snake oil?? References: <000a01c27dbe$32383d80$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> <3DBC3081.B3D0AA03@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DBC5B27.3060909@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Wow God is back in his heaven, and all is, once more, right with the world. Thank you, bullet-plug com. (BTW: Ron is right on this, in case you are doubting my veracity.) John Walker >>Ron wrote: This is hilarious. Every line is pure BS techno babble. Regardless of the product itself, these people are downright dishonest. The single ground contact 'reduces eddy current distortion'? How do eddy currents appear in a non-ferrous material? And who says eddy currents cause distortion? Actually, a single point contact has far higher resistance than the surface contact of cheapo 25 cent RCA connectors -- not that this makes any difference. 'Fast heating solder platforms'? Can anyone point to a slow heating RCA connector? 'No nickel substrate to interfere with sound'? Who says nickel interferes with sound? And the part that takes the cake: Tellurium Copper contacts, up to 320% greater conductivity... We all know (or should know) how meaningful 'unto' claims are. And why would it make any difference? We are talking a fraction of a milliohm anyway, in a circuit where another 1000 ohms will make no audible difference whatsoever. The kicker is the price: about 10 bucks, for a simplistic two-pins-embeddded-in-plastic connector. These are GUARANTEED to sound no different than any reasonable quality RCA connector at 1/10 the price (provided one uses their ears to listen). No matter, it is also guaranteed that hi-end aficionados (that use their imagination, rather than their ears) will swear they can hear a **vast** improvement over RCA connectors that don't have the single contact, terillium copper (straight from Star Trek), engineering grade plastic features -- especially if mated to a $100 perThis is hilarious. Every line is pure BS techno babble. Regardless of the product itself, these people are downright dishonest. The single ground contact 'reduces eddy current distortion'? How do eddy currents appear in a non-ferrous material? And who says eddy currents cause distortion? Actually, a single point contact has far higher resistance than the surface contact of cheapo 25 cent RCA connectors -- not that this makes any difference. 'Fast heating solder platforms'? Can anyone point to a slow heating RCA connector? 'No nickel substrate to interfere with sound'? Who says nickel interferes with sound? And the part that takes the cake: Tellurium Copper contacts, up to 320% greater conductivity... We all know (or should know) how meaningful 'unto' claims are. And why would it make any difference? We are talking a fraction of a milliohm anyway, in a circuit where another 1000 ohms will make no audible difference whatsoever. The kicker is the price: about 10 bucks, for a simplistic two-pins-embeddded-in-plastic connector. These are GUARANTEED to sound no different than any reasonable quality RCA connector at 1/10 the price (provided one uses their ears to listen). No matter, it is also guaranteed that hi-end aficionados (that use their imagination, rather than their ears) will swear they can hear a **vast** improvement over RCA connectors that don't have the single contact, terillium copper (straight from Star Trek), engineering grade plastic features -- especially if mated to a $100 per ft. super duper posivium copper cable. ft. super duper posivium copper cable. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Oct 27 23:03:47 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 22:03:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help References: <000b01c27dea$60011c60$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DBC62C3.4080700@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> John I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham Nelson. The official UK repairer for Nakmich is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that they offer, however. John Walker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 28 00:38:12 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:38:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help In-Reply-To: <3DBC62C3.4080700@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001b01c27e11$e9c152e0$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> John/Guys Not in a position to comment on Bowers & Wilkins, either. However, my ZX9 was apparently service (and modified) by TransTec bv in Rotterdam shortly before I bought it. I'm well pleased with it and all Nak brothers who have received any tapes from me seem to have been happy with the quality of the recordings, too. So, I am reasonably sure that TransTec bv know their stuff. (BTW, those of you who have received recordings from me, of CDs or LPs, did you notice anything better than you might have expected from a ZX9 with regard to the higher frequencies in the recordings? The mod' the TransTec guys do is supposed to offer audible improvements in that area ... but not having another non-mod' ZX9 to compare it with I've no idea if there is a difference or not!) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 27 October 2002 22:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > John > I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham Nelson. The > official UK repairer for Nakmich > is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that they offer, > however. > > John Walker > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Oct 28 01:48:38 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 19:48:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help References: <001b01c27e11$e9c152e0$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <014501c27e1b$c2cd0cb0$49116343@johnnyrotten> What happened to my promised radio broadcast dub? ZX9 my a-- ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > John/Guys > > Not in a position to comment on Bowers & Wilkins, either. However, my ZX9 > was apparently service (and modified) by TransTec bv in Rotterdam shortly > before I bought it. I'm well pleased with it and all Nak brothers who have > received any tapes from me seem to have been happy with the quality of the > recordings, too. So, I am reasonably sure that TransTec bv know their > stuff. (BTW, those of you who have received recordings from me, of CDs or > LPs, did you notice anything better than you might have expected from a ZX9 > with regard to the higher frequencies in the recordings? The mod' the > TransTec guys do is supposed to offer audible improvements in that area ... > but not having another non-mod' ZX9 to compare it with I've no idea if there > is a difference or not!) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John Walker > > Sent: 27 October 2002 22:04 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > John > > I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham Nelson. The > > official UK repairer for Nakmich > > is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > > > I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that they offer, > > however. > > > > John Walker > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Oct 28 07:31:54 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:31:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help In-Reply-To: <014501c27e1b$c2cd0cb0$49116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001c01c27e4b$b51b2fe0$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Jeeesh! Sorry about that! Completely slipped my mind ... "bear with a little brain." I'll get to it this week. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 28 October 2002 00:49 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > What happened to my promised radio broadcast dub? ZX9 my a-- ;-) > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:38 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > John/Guys > > > > Not in a position to comment on Bowers & Wilkins, either. > However, my ZX9 > > was apparently service (and modified) by TransTec bv in > Rotterdam shortly > > before I bought it. I'm well pleased with it and all Nak brothers who > have > > received any tapes from me seem to have been happy with the > quality of the > > recordings, too. So, I am reasonably sure that TransTec bv know their > > stuff. (BTW, those of you who have received recordings from > me, of CDs or > > LPs, did you notice anything better than you might have expected from a > ZX9 > > with regard to the higher frequencies in the recordings? The mod' the > > TransTec guys do is supposed to offer audible improvements in that area > ... > > but not having another non-mod' ZX9 to compare it with I've no idea if > there > > is a difference or not!) > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > John Walker > > > Sent: 27 October 2002 22:04 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > > > John > > > I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham Nelson. The > > > official UK repairer for Nakmich > > > is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > > > > > I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that they offer, > > > however. > > > > > > John Walker > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Oct 28 09:27:27 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 00:27:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] from your Russian friend In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021028082727.21822.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for the OT You are right Misha. It now seems that they did screw this up. I'm having trouble believing they could have done something so stupid as gassing the theatre without an antidote recovery plan. It also seems that in a moment of unprofessional shortsightedness on the part of the rescuers, the hostage takers were shot in the head while unconscious. Unbelievable! Javier --- Michael Mironov wrote: > Javier, > > The saddest point is that from 117 dead hostages > only ONE has been killed > by bullet, the rest died from the GAS used during > the assault... So 116 people > was killed by Russian special forces..... And about > 500 people still suffered > from this unknown gas. > > Misha > > >Howdy > >The troops did their job well but the negotiators > >didn't. The idea is to keep the hostage takers well > >entertained until the last moment, by offering all > >sorts of deals and promises that are never going to > be > >kept. That wasn't done. Btw: the troops only > stormed > >once the hostage takers had started shooting the > >hostages, making the less than 100 figure even more > >miraculous. > > > >As for terrorists, it's tempting to condemn > etremism > >but we must remember that we are the Wahabyists of > the > >audio world! > >Javier > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mrao at bigpond.net.au Mon Oct 28 09:39:21 2002 From: mrao at bigpond.net.au (Murli Rao) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:39:21 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <004301c27e5d$83a3bec0$c9648890@nsw.bigpond.net.au> Hi All, Recently I bought a Dragon for AU$1000 (approx USD 550). I am not sure what year model it is but is in a very good working condition except for a couple of niggles I noticed after I got it home. The azimuth adjustment in reverse play mode does not seem to be working as well as in the forward play mode ( there is a significant drop in quality of sound in the reverse mode). Also, there is a distinct hum in one of the channels while playing in the reverse mode. Any thoughts why this is happening? Since I bought this from a dealer I have a 3 month warranty on it, so i would like to make sure that all the known issues with the dragon is taken care of before the warranty expires. Anyone? I will be grateful for any info on the upkeep & maintainance of this deck. Does anyone know a good authorised Nak service centre in Sydney?? Looking forward to your responses Thanks Murli -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Oct 28 12:04:43 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:04:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help Message-ID: Hi, I have used B&W before for servicing Naks and can say that they are very good, except a bit slow in turnover as they quote 2 to 3 weeks. The only other niggle I have is they keep strictly to Nak's specifications and will not modify the Naks even if you specifically ask/tell them (unlike Stephen Sank). Otherwise, very highly recommended, as they even managed to find a replacement "Fader Down" button for my CR-7 and didn't even charge me for it! > > > > John > > I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham Nelson. The > > official UK repairer for Nakmich > > is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > > > I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that they offer, > > however. > > > > John Walker _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Oct 28 14:24:06 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:24:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help In-Reply-To: <001c01c27e4b$b51b2fe0$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> References: <001c01c27e4b$b51b2fe0$7aa2193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <1035811446.3dbd3a76e6b0f@mail.ce.net> Hey!, when you can. Quoting Graham Nelson : > Jeeesh! Sorry about that! Completely slipped my mind ... "bear with a > little brain." I'll get to it this week. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 28 October 2002 00:49 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > What happened to my promised radio broadcast dub? ZX9 my a-- ;-) > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:38 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > John/Guys > > > > > > Not in a position to comment on Bowers & Wilkins, either. > > However, my ZX9 > > > was apparently service (and modified) by TransTec bv in > > Rotterdam shortly > > > before I bought it. I'm well pleased with it and all Nak brothers who > > have > > > received any tapes from me seem to have been happy with the > > quality of the > > > recordings, too. So, I am reasonably sure that TransTec bv know their > > > stuff. (BTW, those of you who have received recordings from > > me, of CDs or > > > LPs, did you notice anything better than you might have expected from a > > ZX9 > > > with regard to the higher frequencies in the recordings? The mod' the > > > TransTec guys do is supposed to offer audible improvements in that area > > ... > > > but not having another non-mod' ZX9 to compare it with I've no idea if > > there > > > is a difference or not!) > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > John Walker > > > > Sent: 27 October 2002 22:04 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham Nelson. The > > > > official UK repairer for Nakmich > > > > is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > > > > > > > I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that they offer, > > > > however. > > > > > > > > John Walker > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 28 16:10:27 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:40:27 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Message-ID: <20021028151027.3AEA31149F0@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Oct 28 17:25:31 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:25:31 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] RE: (none) Message-ID: HI Fred, That was interesting (the 1000ZXL over the CR-7.........) Incidently, what did you do to "break" a 1000ZXL?? I enjoyed your post, Cheers, Marc >>> fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 10/27/02 09:10PM >>> Kannan, I unfortunately had to use a friends 1000zxl for the marathon tape. I broke mine and its sitting in a box waiting to be sent to mr Sank. When it was working I found it to be superior to the cr7 by a small margin and far superior to the Dragon for recording. The 1000zxl is a tiny bit brighter than the CR7 when playing back thru the Dragon. The Cr7 is a magnificent machine that is so easy to use but when you use the 1000zxl to make a tape you really feel you`ve acheived something-probably because of the sequences of setting up procedure that the microprocessor goes thru during calibration-it take about three times longer than the CR7 and you get lots of flashing lights! The only machine that I would like to own now is the ZX9 and I think that would be the Four Most Desireable Naks. Fred ===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >Fred >I should envy you for having all the three most desirable Naks. >What is your openion regarding the Rcord / replay performance of 1000ZXL vs the rest? >Kannan >fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote >>Hi Kannan >The interesting thing is that that particular 1000zxl and my cr7 hav recently >been serviced at Nak Uk. The azimuth is spot on equal on those two machines. I >also have a dragon that i checked against those two by recording and it has a >different azimuth setting-about 30 degrees of Knob turn on the cr7! >Fred > > > >===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >>I felt that Carlos is trying to tell an important point regarding correct >alignment - not your recording. I felt that head height as well as head >azimuth alignment both together play a very important role in your recording/ >play back just not the azimuth alignment alone. >>I found nearly aany tape plays well on the Stephen's CR7 when it reached me >just because it had the perfect alignment ( Wher is he anyway - Stephen are >you on this planet?) >>Kannan > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 28 18:44:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:44:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: (none) References: Message-ID: <000601c27ea9$b48ce2e0$70299bca@smarzuki> Marc, This is what Carlos said as one of the reason not to own the complicated ZXLs ... it takes 'nothing' to break mine ! One time the deck won't play due to a logic chip suddenly went bad. Another time after a long 'rest', the meter went bad (also a logic chip). I can understand that it's about time the caps / lytics go bad, but ICs ?? Probably the on/off cycles (spikes ?) got something to do with it. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: (none) HI Fred, That was interesting (the 1000ZXL over the CR-7.........) Incidently, what did you do to "break" a 1000ZXL?? I enjoyed your post, Cheers, Marc >>> fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 10/27/02 09:10PM >>> Kannan, I unfortunately had to use a friends 1000zxl for the marathon tape. I broke mine and its sitting in a box waiting to be sent to mr Sank. When it was working I found it to be superior to the cr7 by a small margin and far superior to the Dragon for recording. The 1000zxl is a tiny bit brighter than the CR7 when playing back thru the Dragon. The Cr7 is a magnificent machine that is so easy to use but when you use the 1000zxl to make a tape you really feel you`ve acheived something-probably because of the sequences of setting up procedure that the microprocessor goes thru during calibration-it take about three times longer than the CR7 and you get lots of flashing lights! The only machine that I would like to own now is the ZX9 and I think that would be the Four Most Desireable Naks. Fred ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Oct 28 18:25:30 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:25:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends Message-ID: <31FC2D0F.5276134D.026D48C1@netscape.net> I would like to thank everybody who wrote or just say the words of compassion and sympathy to Moscovites. This is a real tragedy - 117 people paid their lives for a ticket to a popular musical.... Everything we can do now is to put some flowers and to light several candles at the square near the Theatre Centre. I'd prefer to refrain from comments on SF assault operation as it is always much more easy to put any suggestions and considerations NOW, after the event. I could only hope I'd never be faced the decision that was authorized by the man who was responsible for this situation. How could one weighs the value of even a single human life, let alone the life of of his/her friends or relatives. What is better: to save 700 or to wait risking to kill about 1000 people.... Today is announced the mourning day in Russia, let it be free of endless debate and alleged accusations. With the best wishes to all my Nak friends around the world, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Oct 28 19:06:06 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:06:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon References: <20021028151027.3AEA31149F0@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000f01c27eac$ca176240$70299bca@smarzuki> Just want to add a little bit: it could be a 'frozen' or sticking pinch roller assembly - but even then it would be easier to have the shop fix it while you still have the warranty. Not sure about the hum though, other than head cablings or electronics. At least make sure all heads, pinch rollers & capstans are squeaky clean before giving it one last try ! ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Your Dragon is malfunctioning in reverse play mode with DD motors not running correctly. This stephen calls as tape travel problem due to either Motor bearing needing lubrication or Digital motor servo correction or both. You better return this deck as it is having warranty - or find a really good tech to trouble shoot Kannan mrao at bigpond.net.au wrote Hi All, Recently I bought a Dragon for AU$1000 (approx USD 550). I am not sure what year model it is but is in a very good working condition except for a couple of niggles I noticed after I got it home. The azimuth adjustment in reverse play mode does not seem to be working as well as in the forward play mode ( there is a significant drop in quality of sound in the reverse mode). Also, there is a distinct hum in one of the channels while playing in the reverse mode. Any thoughts why this is happening? Since I bought this from a dealer I have a 3 month warranty on it, so i would like to make sure that all the known issues with the dragon is taken care of before the warranty expires. Anyone? I will be grateful for any info on the upkeep & maintainance of this deck. Does anyone know a good authorised Nak service centre in Sydney?? Looking forward to your responses Thanks Murli ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Oct 28 20:21:32 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:21:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: (none) Message-ID: <3DBEF87B@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Hugo,glad you enjoyed the post. I was changing the bulbs in the deck and i powered it up to check them before I had completely put it all back together-they worked just fine, then carried on assembling without powering it down and shorted the logic board to earth! Now there is no logic and it needs a proper doctor. But I can say it had been perfectly reliable up until then whereas I have had problems with a CR7 and a Dragon. Fred ===== Original Message From "Mark Hugo" ===== >HI Fred, > >That was interesting (the 1000ZXL over the CR-7.........) Incidently, what did you do to "break" a 1000ZXL?? > >I enjoyed your post, > >Cheers, > >Marc > >>> fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 10/27/02 09:10PM >>> >Kannan, >I unfortunately had to use a friends 1000zxl for the marathon tape. I broke >mine and its sitting in a box waiting to be sent to mr Sank. When it was >working I found it to be superior to the cr7 by a small margin and far >superior to the Dragon for recording. The 1000zxl is a tiny bit brighter than >the CR7 when playing back thru the Dragon. The Cr7 is a magnificent machine >that is so easy to use but when you use the 1000zxl to make a tape you really >feel you`ve acheived something-probably because of the sequences of setting up >procedure that the microprocessor goes thru during calibration-it take about >three times longer than the CR7 and you get lots of flashing lights! The only >machine that I would like to own now is the ZX9 and I think that would be the >Four Most Desireable Naks. >Fred > > >===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >>Fred >>I should envy you for having all the three most desirable Naks. >>What is your openion regarding the Rcord / replay performance of 1000ZXL vs >the rest? >>Kannan >>fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote >>>Hi Kannan >>The interesting thing is that that particular 1000zxl and my cr7 hav recently >>been serviced at Nak Uk. The azimuth is spot on equal on those two machines. >I >>also have a dragon that i checked against those two by recording and it has >a >>different azimuth setting-about 30 degrees of Knob turn on the cr7! >>Fred >> >> >> >>===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >>>I felt that Carlos is trying to tell an important point regarding correct >>alignment - not your recording. I felt that head height as well as head >>azimuth alignment both together play a very important role in your recording/ >>play back just not the azimuth alignment alone. >>>I found nearly aany tape plays well on the Stephen's CR7 when it reached me >>just because it had the perfect alignment ( Wher is he anyway - Stephen are >>you on this planet?) >>>Kannan >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >====== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > >Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia >Arrive in Awe.... > .... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Oct 28 20:58:55 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 01:28:55 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL and Nak vendor quality Message-ID: <20021028195855.DAE8C1149BF@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Oct 28 22:23:09 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:23:09 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL and Nak vendor quality Message-ID: <3DC1B74C@mail.totalise.co.uk> Kannan there was not a lot more I could add apart from the results on Sony Metal Master (very expensive) and Fuji metal (cheap) were indistinguishable from the original unless there were very quiet passages where tape hiss could be present. Results on TDK or Maxell were never as good. On the CR7 or Dragon one could always pick the copy from the original. Other people do not rate the zxl`s and favour other machines so it could be the setup of the tape decks themselves. I also have a 700ZXE, playback is probably as good as the 1000 but record quality is poor-about the same as Dragon-a bit thin sounding. Stephen Sank Reckons that with some modification the 700ZXE is probably the best sounding of all Naks. Incidrntally all my machines were regularly serviced by B&W Nak sevice (official Nak agents) so should be set up correctly. I guess that by now the ZXL`s are getting very old hence the unreliability although mine worked for twenty years or so until I messed with it(couldnt say the the same for Dragon or CR7)! P.S I type with one finger so its hard to drag info out of me! Fred ===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >Somehow I feel that nak quality control on components or probably the quality control department of Nak' vendors weren't working during the 1000/700ZXL days. The later models seem far better - excepting Orange cap / brown Glue issues! >Kannan >PS Fred I was expecting a lot on your comments about 1000ZXL record / replay. anyway lights blinking long time is a nice gimmick to immpress your girl friend - it is quite a long event to distract her! >smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > >Marc, > >This is what Carlos said as one of the reason not to own the complicated >ZXLs ... it takes 'nothing' to break mine ! One time the deck won't play >due to a logic chip suddenly went bad. Another time after a long 'rest', >the meter went bad (also a logic chip). I can understand that it's about >time the caps / lytics go bad, but ICs ?? Probably the on/off cycles >(spikes ?) got something to do with it. > >Cheers, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Hugo >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:25 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: (none) > > >HI Fred, > >That was interesting (the 1000ZXL over the CR-7.........) Incidently, what >did you do to "break" a 1000ZXL?? > >I enjoyed your post, > >Cheers, > >Marc > >>> fredmoss at totalise.co.uk 10/27/02 09:10PM >>> >Kannan, >I unfortunately had to use a friends 1000zxl for the marathon tape. I broke >mine and its sitting in a box waiting to be sent to mr Sank. When it was >working I found it to be superior to the cr7 by a small margin and far >superior to the Dragon for recording. The 1000zxl is a tiny bit brighter >than >the CR7 when playing back thru the Dragon. The Cr7 is a magnificent machine >that is so easy to use but when you use the 1000zxl to make a tape you >really >feel you`ve acheived something-probably because of the sequences of setting >up >procedure that the microprocessor goes thru during calibration-it take about >three times longer than the CR7 and you get lots of flashing lights! The >only >machine that I would like to own now is the ZX9 and I think that would be >the >Four Most Desireable Naks. >Fred > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 29 00:23:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:23:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help In-Reply-To: <1035811446.3dbd3a76e6b0f@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <001001c27ed9$0d3b7a80$d25387d9@oemcomputer> I'll try and sort it this week - also owe one to John(nie) Walker I now recall. I'll get my brain back in gear and try to sort both of them this week. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > jmtooley at ce.net > Sent: 28 October 2002 13:24 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > Hey!, when you can. > > > Quoting Graham Nelson : > > > Jeeesh! Sorry about that! Completely slipped my mind ... "bear with a > > little brain." I'll get to it this week. > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > John M. Tooley > > > Sent: 28 October 2002 00:49 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > > > What happened to my promised radio broadcast dub? ZX9 my a-- ;-) > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:38 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > > > > John/Guys > > > > > > > > Not in a position to comment on Bowers & Wilkins, either. > > > However, my ZX9 > > > > was apparently service (and modified) by TransTec bv in > > > Rotterdam shortly > > > > before I bought it. I'm well pleased with it and all Nak > brothers who > > > have > > > > received any tapes from me seem to have been happy with the > > > quality of the > > > > recordings, too. So, I am reasonably sure that TransTec bv > know their > > > > stuff. (BTW, those of you who have received recordings from > > > me, of CDs or > > > > LPs, did you notice anything better than you might have > expected from a > > > ZX9 > > > > with regard to the higher frequencies in the recordings? > The mod' the > > > > TransTec guys do is supposed to offer audible improvements > in that area > > > ... > > > > but not having another non-mod' ZX9 to compare it with I've > no idea if > > > there > > > > is a difference or not!) > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > John Walker > > > > > Sent: 27 October 2002 22:04 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > I can complete the address mentioned by my friend Graham > Nelson. The > > > > > official UK repairer for Nakmich > > > > > is: http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > > > > > > > > > I have not used B&Wand cannot comment on the service that > they offer, > > > > > however. > > > > > > > > > > John Walker > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Oct 29 00:23:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:23:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000f01c27ed9$089e72c0$d25387d9@oemcomputer> Ah, your fader button ... B&W told me once they acquire some spare parts from old Naks that are sent to them and prove unrepairable. Very probably this was one of those lucky finds. G > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > winnie pooh > Sent: 28 October 2002 11:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] To John Bryce: Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > Hi, > > I have used B&W before for servicing Naks and can say that they are very > good, except a bit slow in turnover as they quote 2 to 3 weeks. The only > other niggle I have is they keep strictly to Nak's specifications > and will > not modify the Naks even if you specifically ask/tell them > (unlike Stephen > Sank). Otherwise, very highly recommended, as they even managed to find a > replacement "Fader Down" button for my CR-7 and didn't even charge me for > it! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Oct 29 00:21:27 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 04:51:27 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Sympathy to our Russian friends Message-ID: <20021028232127.0734011491D@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Tue Oct 29 11:41:13 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:41:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 ZXL and Nak vendor quality Message-ID: <3DCDE454@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Kannan, I wish it were that simple, it was a cap that was shorted on the board so identififying the culprit would be difficult (for me) and the logic e-proms or whatever they are are no longer available in the U.K. Fred ===== Original Message From kannan_s at vsnl.com ===== >Fred > >probably replace only the chip that you had earthed and caused the fault, probably your 1000XL should breath again. I wouldn' mind replaceing all the chips around - as that may not cost much, but needs patience. Once I had dropped a screw driver on the Track side of the live PCB - but managed to get the borad work again by replacing the chips in and around the spot > >Kannan > > > >fredmoss at totalise.co.uk wrote > >Kannan > >there was not a lot more I could add apart from the results on Sony Metal > >Master (very expensive) and Fuji metal (cheap) were indistinguishable from the > >original unless there were very quiet passages where tape hiss could be > >present. Results on TDK or Maxell were never as good. On the CR7 or Dragon one > >could always pick the copy from the original. Other people do not rate the > >zxl`s and favour other machines so it could be the setup of the tape decks > >themselves. I also have a 700ZXE, playback is probably as good as the 1000 but > >record quality is poor-about the same as Dragon-a bit thin sounding. Stephen > >Sank Reckons that with some modification the 700ZXE is probably the best > >sounding of all Naks. Incidrntally all my machines were regularly serviced by > >B&W Nak sevice (official Nak agents) so should be set up correctly. I guess > >that by now the ZXL`s are getting very old hence the unreliability although > >mine worked for twenty years or so until I messed with it(couldnt say the the > >same for Dragon or CR7)! P.S I type with one finger so its hard to drag info > >out of me! > >Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Oct 29 17:08:46 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:08:46 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP! References: <002e01c27df3$e83afca0$28299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Kannan and others. Please open your greatest secret - where are you getting spare parts (heads especialy) for your beloved Naks? I desperately need playback head for 680ZX! Since I moved I lost all my post archives so I have no addresses for Patty and any other sources for parts! Please help! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Oct 29 22:52:56 2002 From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk (mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 21:52:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone In-Reply-To: <001401c27df1$507f3720$28299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3DBF0338.17384.A4C709@localhost> Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help To: naktalk at naks.com Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Thanks Salim You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on the photo sensor and everything worked OK. Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. This is from BW any comments, Hi John Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an estimate as we don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, a service is usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts such as rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be failing. What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is on the bench here. Look forward to hearing from you again. Regards Paul Hi John, I'm not a real tech guy here but it sounds like the problem lies on your tape counter bulb. Eject the cassette well and peek to the inside right - approximately behind the stop / rec button there should be a small bulb glowing (the bulb is located behind a small slotted wheel which is connected to the right hand reel hub). However, even with bulb off, rewind & FF should be able to move the tape for a second. If light is working fine, check if you can set the deck on pause (or pause-rec) for a longer time. If it can't be put on pause mode then probably cam motor belt is broken (you'd need to open the hood to verify this). Usually Stephen, 'the main nak-man' will jump to the rescue but looks like he's been very very busy lately. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help Hi all! New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped functioning. No playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a second and then cut off. Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. John Bryce >From outside Glasgow ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 8:45 To: naktalk at naks.com; rob755 at cwnet.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but all things considered, I would speculate that something could be accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and duplication. Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay on our own audio sound systems! Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from the mastering studio in the coming week or so. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Best regards, K.J. Bleus M-Tape PR Coordinator --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- naktalk-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2740 -------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 From: "Rob Hamilton" Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of sending Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one can help with any of these questions....please do. Kind Regards, Rob ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2740 ****************************** ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help To: naktalk at naks.com Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com Thanks Salim You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on the photo sensor and everything worked OK. Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. This is from BW any comments, Hi John Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an estimate as we don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, a service is usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts such as rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be failing. What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is on the bench here. Look forward to hearing from you again. Regards Paul Hi John, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samithas at srilankan.lk Wed Oct 30 07:54:04 2002 From: samithas at srilankan.lk (Samitha Samaraweera) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <9BF2132DA7A3D6119FB300508B1377C338AAE4@ULCAKMBXADM04> Can any one tell me the difference between cassette deck CR3 and CR30. Thanks Regards Samitha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Oct 30 09:12:25 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:12:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the power supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A for US, CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first contribution (at least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Samitha Samaraweera Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: [naktalk] Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 Can any one tell me the difference between cassette deck CR3 and CR30. Thanks Regards Samitha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Oct 30 10:13:11 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:13:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <522a9b5248d1.5248d1522a9b@indosat.net.id> Don't be too optimistic George ... as in the case of cr30, it might be the same old CR3: his friends call him 'Sam' =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: George Valkov Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the > power > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A > for US, > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first > contribution (at > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Samitha Samaraweera > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: [naktalk] > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > Can any one tell me the difference between > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > Thanks > Regards > Samitha > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smonk at flash.net Wed Oct 30 11:35:49 2002 From: smonk at flash.net (john minihan) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 03:35:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 References: <200210300843.JAA15417@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <008201c28000$1e5d9500$764ff4d1@computer> Hello Everyone I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2768 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:54:16 +1100 > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > Hello all, > > This question may have been asked previously, Carlos do you want the > money now or later? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > - -----Original Message----- > From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 8:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com; rob755 at cwnet.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we > have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El > Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a > business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master > our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to > participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but > all things considered, I would speculate that something could be > accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the > time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and > CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that > included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that > a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy > of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics > and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and > duplication. > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly > to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. > Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an > opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs > are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented > music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the > option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by > doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay > on our own audio sound systems! > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from > the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > - --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > - ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > naktalk-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2740 > > - -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 > From: "Rob Hamilton" > Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? > > I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck > happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of sending > Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one > can help with any of these questions....please do. Kind Regards, Rob > > - ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2740 > ****************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:03:23 +0530 (IST) > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > Connect a resistor of value 220 or 270 Ohms (1 watt rating) in series with the 60 ma bulb to reduce the current load on the cicuit. > The dim light is enough to make the circuit work. > If you do not find any other problem - postpone the ZX9 visit to B&W ' service center. > Kannan > > mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > wrote > Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 > From: Salim Marzuki > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Thanks Salim > > You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on the photo > sensor and everything worked OK. > > Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. > > This is from BW any comments, > > Hi John > Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an > estimate as we > don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, > a service is > usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts > such as > rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be > failing. > > What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is > on the bench > here. > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > Regards > Paul > > Hi John, > > I'm not a real tech guy here but it sounds like the problem lies on your > tape counter bulb. Eject the cassette well and peek to the inside right - > approximately behind the stop / rec button there should be a small bulb > glowing (the bulb is located behind a small slotted wheel which is > connected to the right hand reel hub). However, even with bulb off, rewind > & FF should be able to move the tape for a second. > > If light is working fine, check if you can set the deck on pause (or > pause-rec) for a longer time. If it can't be put on pause mode then > probably cam motor belt is broken (you'd need to open the hood to verify > this). Usually Stephen, 'the main nak-man' will jump to the rescue but > looks like he's been very very busy lately. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:54 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > Hi all! > > > New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- > > Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped functioning. > No > playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a second and > then cut off. > > Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. > > > > > > > John Bryce > >From outside Glasgow > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:15:59 +0700 > From: Salim Marzuki > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > Hi John, glad that it helped ! Not sure about the bulb rating effect, > however it is powered straight from PS and probably would be okay. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 > From: Salim Marzuki > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Thanks Salim > > You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on > the photo > sensor and everything worked OK. > > Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. > > This is from BW any comments, > > Hi John > Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an > estimate as we > don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, > a service is > usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts > such as > rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be > failing. > > What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is > on the bench > here. > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > Regards > Paul > > Hi John, > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > From: Samitha Samaraweera > Subject: [naktalk] > > Can any one tell me the difference between > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > Thanks > Regards > Samitha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:12:25 +0200 > From: "George Valkov" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the power > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A for US, > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first contribution (at > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > George > > > - ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Samitha Samaraweera > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: [naktalk] > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > Can any one tell me the difference between > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > Thanks > Regards > Samitha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:13:11 +0700 > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > Don't be too optimistic George ... as in the case of cr30, it might be > the same old CR3: his friends call him 'Sam' =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Valkov > Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:12 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the > > power > > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A > > for US, > > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first > > contribution (at > > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Samitha Samaraweera > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > Subject: [naktalk] > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between > > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > > Thanks > > Regards > > Samitha > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > -------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > -------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2768 > ****************************** > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 30 15:10:36 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:10:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 References: <200210300843.JAA15417@zebra.naks.com> <008201c28000$1e5d9500$764ff4d1@computer> Message-ID: <3DBFE85C.661FC80A@rcn.com> Yea, this has been discussed quite a few times... IME, Maxell XLII is an excellent tape. For a long while, I used it (and the TDK SA) almost exclusively, with results I was happy with. In general, recordings are indistinguishable from the original on my system (CR-7). I recently bought a couple of boxes of TDK MA, which does sound marginally better. -- Ron john minihan wrote: > > Hello Everyone > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > Thanks > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "naktalk-digest" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:43 AM > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 > > > > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number > 2768 > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:54:16 +1100 > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > > > Hello all, > > > > This question may have been asked previously, Carlos do you want the > > money now or later? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > - -----Original Message----- > > From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] > > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 8:45 > > To: naktalk at naks.com; rob755 at cwnet.com > > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > > > > > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we > > have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El > > Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a > > business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master > > our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to > > participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but > > all things considered, I would speculate that something could be > > accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the > > time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and > > CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that > > included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided > that > > a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a > copy > > of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics > > and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and > > duplication. > > > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated > directly > > to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. > > Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an > > opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since > CDRs > > are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the > documented > > music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have > the > > option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by > > doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum > replay > > on our own audio sound systems! > > > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update > from > > the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > > > - --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > - ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > > > naktalk-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2740 > > > > - -------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 > > From: "Rob Hamilton" > > Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? > > > > I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck > > happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of > sending > > Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one > > can help with any of these questions....please do. Kind Regards, Rob > > > > - ------------------------------ > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2740 > > ****************************** > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:03:23 +0530 (IST) > > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > > > Connect a resistor of value 220 or 270 Ohms (1 watt rating) in series with > the 60 ma bulb to reduce the current load on the cicuit. > > The dim light is enough to make the circuit work. > > If you do not find any other problem - postpone the ZX9 visit to B&W ' > service center. > > Kannan > > > > mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > > wrote > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 > > From: Salim Marzuki > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Thanks Salim > > > > You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on > the photo > > sensor and everything worked OK. > > > > Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. > > > > This is from BW any comments, > > > > Hi John > > Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an > > estimate as we > > don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, > > a service is > > usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts > > such as > > rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be > > failing. > > > > What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is > > on the bench > > here. > > > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > > > Regards > > Paul > > > > Hi John, > > > > I'm not a real tech guy here but it sounds like the problem lies on your > > tape counter bulb. Eject the cassette well and peek to the inside right - > > approximately behind the stop / rec button there should be a small bulb > > glowing (the bulb is located behind a small slotted wheel which is > > connected to the right hand reel hub). However, even with bulb off, > rewind > > & FF should be able to move the tape for a second. > > > > If light is working fine, check if you can set the deck on pause (or > > pause-rec) for a longer time. If it can't be put on pause mode then > > probably cam motor belt is broken (you'd need to open the hood to verify > > this). Usually Stephen, 'the main nak-man' will jump to the rescue but > > looks like he's been very very busy lately. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:54 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- > > > > Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped functioning. > > No > > playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a second and > > then cut off. > > > > Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John Bryce > > >From outside Glasgow > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:15:59 +0700 > > From: Salim Marzuki > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > > > Hi John, glad that it helped ! Not sure about the bulb rating effect, > > however it is powered straight from PS and probably would be okay. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:52 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > > > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 > > From: Salim Marzuki > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Thanks Salim > > > > You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on > > the photo > > sensor and everything worked OK. > > > > Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. > > > > This is from BW any comments, > > > > Hi John > > Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an > > estimate as we > > don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, > > a service is > > usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts > > such as > > rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be > > failing. > > > > What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is > > on the bench > > here. > > > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > > > Regards > > Paul > > > > Hi John, > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > From: Samitha Samaraweera > > Subject: [naktalk] > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between > > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > > Thanks > > Regards > > Samitha > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:12:25 +0200 > > From: "George Valkov" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the power > > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A for US, > > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first contribution (at > > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > > > George > > > > > > - ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Samitha Samaraweera > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > Subject: [naktalk] > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between > > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > > Thanks > > Regards > > Samitha > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:13:11 +0700 > > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > Don't be too optimistic George ... as in the case of cr30, it might be > > the same old CR3: his friends call him 'Sam' =) > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > > From: George Valkov > > Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:12 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > > > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the > > > power > > > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A > > > for US, > > > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > > > > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first > > > contribution (at > > > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: Samitha Samaraweera > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > > Subject: [naktalk] > > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between > > > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > > > Thanks > > > Regards > > > Samitha > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > > -------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2768 > > ****************************** > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Oct 30 15:40:37 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:40:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 In-Reply-To: <200210301309.OAA16486@zebra.naks.com> References: <200210301309.OAA16486@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:09:12 +0100, you wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:10:36 -0500, Ron wrote: >Yea, this has been discussed quite a few times... > >IME, Maxell XLII is an excellent tape. For a long while, >I used it (and the TDK SA) almost exclusively, with >results I was happy with. In general, recordings are >indistinguishable from the original on my system (CR-7). >I recently bought a couple of boxes of TDK MA, which >does sound marginally better. So should I infer that recordings on the TDK MA sound better than the original? :) Sorry, couldn't resist... Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Oct 30 20:12:55 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:12:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 References: <200210301309.OAA16486@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3DC02F37.701A116C@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:09:12 +0100, you wrote: > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:10:36 -0500, Ron wrote: > > >Yea, this has been discussed quite a few times... > > > >IME, Maxell XLII is an excellent tape. For a long while, > >I used it (and the TDK SA) almost exclusively, with > >results I was happy with. In general, recordings are > >indistinguishable from the original on my system (CR-7). > >I recently bought a couple of boxes of TDK MA, which > >does sound marginally better. > > So should I infer that recordings on the TDK MA sound better than the > original? :) Sorry, couldn't resist... > > Geoffrey Reynolds Actually, this does warrant a clarification. *In general*, Maxell XLII sounds the same as the original. However, there are exceptions -- mostly, on very loud passages or on high frequency content. I feel the TDK MA does better on such occasions, although I have never run rigorous listening tests. Verdi's Requiem is an excellent test. I re-recorded the work after getting the MA tape, freeing an XLII cassette for lesser material. BTW, Stephen remarked that after calibrating my deck, recordings should sound better than the original. He did not specify which tape formulation achieved this, though... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Oct 30 22:12:14 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 08:12:14 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D29@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi John, I have a huge variety of tapes, Maxell, TDK, BASF, Sony, and the list goes on. I like the XLII, they sound great on all my decks, the XLIIS however sounds much "brighter" and I often have to re-adjust the bias to suit the tape. I feel that TDK's MA sound as close to the original as possible, so too does the Maxell MX. Perhaps with the calibration stage on your Dragon you could push the bias level just a little more and increase it by an extra LED on your display, I do the same on my ZX9 sometimes, it work for me. Hope this info helps you out. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: john minihan [mailto:smonk at flash.net] Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 9:36 To: naktalk at naks.com; naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 Hello Everyone I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. Thanks John ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2768 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:54:16 +1100 > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > Hello all, > > This question may have been asked previously, Carlos do you want the > money now or later? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > - -----Original Message----- > From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 8:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com; rob755 at cwnet.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we > have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El > Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a > business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master > our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to > participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but > all things considered, I would speculate that something could be > accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the > time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and > CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that > included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that > a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy > of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics > and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and > duplication. > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly > to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. > Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an > opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs > are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented > music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the > option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by > doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay > on our own audio sound systems! > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from > the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > - --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > - ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > naktalk-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2740 > > - -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 > From: "Rob Hamilton" > Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? > > I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck > happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of sending > Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one > can help with any of these questions....please do. Kind Regards, Rob > > - ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2740 > ****************************** > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:03:23 +0530 (IST) > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > Connect a resistor of value 220 or 270 Ohms (1 watt rating) in series with the 60 ma bulb to reduce the current load on the cicuit. > The dim light is enough to make the circuit work. > If you do not find any other problem - postpone the ZX9 visit to B&W ' service center. > Kannan > > mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > wrote > Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 > From: Salim Marzuki > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Thanks Salim > > You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on the photo > sensor and everything worked OK. > > Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. > > This is from BW any comments, > > Hi John > Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an > estimate as we > don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, > a service is > usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts > such as > rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be > failing. > > What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is > on the bench > here. > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > Regards > Paul > > Hi John, > > I'm not a real tech guy here but it sounds like the problem lies on your > tape counter bulb. Eject the cassette well and peek to the inside right - > approximately behind the stop / rec button there should be a small bulb > glowing (the bulb is located behind a small slotted wheel which is > connected to the right hand reel hub). However, even with bulb off, rewind > & FF should be able to move the tape for a second. > > If light is working fine, check if you can set the deck on pause (or > pause-rec) for a longer time. If it can't be put on pause mode then > probably cam motor belt is broken (you'd need to open the hood to verify > this). Usually Stephen, 'the main nak-man' will jump to the rescue but > looks like he's been very very busy lately. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:54 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > > > > > Hi all! > > > New to this group I would appreciate anyone`s help with the following:- > > Recently purchased a second-hand ZX-9 however it has stopped functioning. > No > playback, no fastforward, no rewind. All functions work for a second and > then cut off. > > Can anyone tell me the cause and where I can have it repaired in the U.K. > > > > > > > John Bryce > >From outside Glasgow > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 08:15:59 +0700 > From: Salim Marzuki > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > Hi John, glad that it helped ! Not sure about the bulb rating effect, > however it is powered straight from PS and probably would be okay. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: mrwbryce at blueyonder.co.uk > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:52 AM > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 sorted thanks to everyone > > > Date sent: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:44:07 +0700 > From: Salim Marzuki > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi ZX-9 - Help > To: naktalk at naks.com > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Thanks Salim > > You were spot on with the lamp, took of the front facia,used a maglite on > the photo > sensor and everything worked OK. > > Now I need a12v 25ma lamp, RS have a12v 60ma will this be OK. > > This is from BW any comments, > > Hi John > Yes, we can do a service on your ZX-9. Difficult to give an > estimate as we > don't know what parts would be needed. All we can say is that, > a service is > usually between £140 and £180 to include all the usual parts > such as > rollers, guides, belts, etc, plus the odd motor which may be > failing. > > What we can do is give you a proper estimate when the deck is > on the bench > here. > > Look forward to hearing from you again. > > Regards > Paul > > Hi John, > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > From: Samitha Samaraweera > Subject: [naktalk] > > Can any one tell me the difference between > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > Thanks > Regards > Samitha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:12:25 +0200 > From: "George Valkov" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the power > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A for US, > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first contribution (at > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > George > > > - ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Samitha Samaraweera > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: [naktalk] > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > Can any one tell me the difference between > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > Thanks > Regards > Samitha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:13:11 +0700 > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > Don't be too optimistic George ... as in the case of cr30, it might be > the same old CR3: his friends call him 'Sam' =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Valkov > Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:12 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] > > > Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the > > power > > supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A > > for US, > > CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. > > > > Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first > > contribution (at > > least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Samitha Samaraweera > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > > Subject: [naktalk] > > Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 > > > > Can any one tell me the difference between > > cassette deck CR3 and CR30. > > Thanks > > Regards > > Samitha > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > -------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > -------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2768 > ****************************** > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Wed Oct 30 23:45:20 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:45:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 In-Reply-To: <008201c28000$1e5d9500$764ff4d1@computer> Message-ID: John, The current variety of Maxell XLII tapes have an extremely flexible casette shell. On my humble Nak DR-8, I've noticed extreme azimuth problems with about half of the XLII tapes I've bought. Since I only have a single-capstan Nak with no azimuth adjustment, I've had to return many, many XLII tapes to Maxell for replacement. The ones that are manufactured properly sound excellent. I've had the same experience with TDK MA tapes in terms of the cassette shell being manufactured improperly. The advantage of TDK MA tapes is that the casette shell is completely rigid and, when manufactured correctly, sound excellent -- even better than the Maxell XL II. Lately I've been using the inexpensive TDK D series normal bias tapes since they are widely available, durable, and have an extremely rigid cassette shell (similar to the TDK MA). Unlike TDK MA and Maxell XL II, I've never had a problem with an improperly-manufactured TDK D cassette. For my purposes (car and walkman listening), this tape suits me fine. Erik. On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, john minihan wrote: > Hello Everyone > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > Thanks > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Oct 31 03:06:15 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:06:15 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Is anyone else receiving this message? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Thu Oct 31 03:27:09 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:27:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: YUP, JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:06 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message > notification > > > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of > [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source > address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and > the message > was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method > if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Oct 31 03:33:00 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:33:00 -0800 Subject: [Fwd: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1ly1u91p] Source block message notification] Message-ID: <3DC0965C.2F59428B@earthlink.net> Anyone know why I receive the following shortly after each email from NakTalk? I received this message seven time today. Jim Volpatti GWAVA wrote: "GWAVA" > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification. The source address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From audioguy1 at shaw.ca Thu Oct 31 03:44:20 2002 From: audioguy1 at shaw.ca (audioguy1 at shaw.ca) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:44:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3DC09904.4B58DB29@shaw.ca> Yup. Lots of them Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of > [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source > address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message > was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method > if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Thu Oct 31 03:50:15 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:50:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3DC05417.3192.5469DB@localhost> repeatedly On 31 Oct 2002 at 13:06, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a > subject of [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message > notification. The source address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) > is not permitted and the message was undelivered. Contact the > recipient to arrange another delivery method if you feel your message > was wrongly blocked. > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Oct 31 03:55:02 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 18:55:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Strange messages............. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c28088$e904f900$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Yup, looks like we all are. Anyone know what's going on? Is this the end of the world? HELP!! -RA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of > [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source > address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message > was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method > if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Oct 31 05:23:45 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:23:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Strange messages............. In-Reply-To: <000b01c28088$e904f900$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <000701c28095$4e2c3e40$0a01000a@c994264e> A spam robot took our email alias of naktalk at naks.com and basically peppered the whole of UK servers. It seemed like it homed in on a particular server, and repeatedly bombarded it. There's a looping effect back to us, since this particular server is on auto-reply. Short of it, is that a spammer snatched our email list alias and hammered this server. What's really offensive is there's a high chance that our "real" email addresses are being used to perpetuate this spam. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Strange messages............. Yup, looks like we all are. Anyone know what's going on? Is this the end of the world? HELP!! -RA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of > [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source > address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message > was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method > if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Oct 31 05:35:56 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:35:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Strange messages............. In-Reply-To: <000b01c28088$e904f900$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <000f01c28097$019eda40$0a01000a@c994264e> I was wrong. It's not UK, but some server called mail.anderson.edu. It's sounds like a university somewhere which I can't locate, since a simple traceroute could not determine location. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Strange messages............. Yup, looks like we all are. Anyone know what's going on? Is this the end of the world? HELP!! -RA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of > [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source > address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message > was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method > if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Oct 31 05:44:20 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael DeWire) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:44:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: We defiantly have ghost in the machine, probably some virus or open relay gone amuck! Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:06 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification Is anyone else receiving this message? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Oct 31 05:44:57 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 20:44:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2771 (Maxell Cassettes) Message-ID: I'd like to add a few words to the discussion..... My experience is that the 1990s edition of Maxell XLII-S and MX-S (metal grade) cassette shells are superior to all TDK and other (including lower grade Maxell) cassettes. These cassette shells are hefty, precisely assembled, and fit snuggly into the transport of Nak decks. Acuity of sound repro from Maxell MX-S magnetic tape is tops on my Nak decks. Together (that is, the cassette shell construction and quality of magnetic tape), I believe that the Maxell MX-S cassettes are the highest quality cassette currently available. Unfortunately, those Maxell cassettes are no longer manufactured (rare now, but are still available by several large quantity internet sellers of audio media). For anyone who might be wanting to locate a particular source for blank Maxell cassettes, do a google.com search under "maxell, +mx-s", or +xlii-s, et cetera. If you tend to lean toward using Maxell cassettes, my advice is to quickly grab those on the open market while they are still available, I've got about 50 MX-S unused cassettes on my shelf now, probably enough for my remaining days of audio analogue dabbling with cassette decks ! Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 21:09:41 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, October 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2771 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:40:37 -0500 From: Geoffrey Reynolds Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768 On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:09:12 +0100, you wrote: On Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:10:36 -0500, Ron wrote: >Yea, this has been discussed quite a few times... > >IME, Maxell XLII is an excellent tape. For a long while, >I used it (and the TDK SA) almost exclusively, with >results I was happy with. In general, recordings are >indistinguishable from the original on my system (CR-7). >I recently bought a couple of boxes of TDK MA, which >does sound marginally better. ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2771 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Michael DeWire > Sent: 31 October 2002 04:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message > notification > > > We defiantly have ghost in the machine, probably some virus or open relay > gone amuck! > > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 8:06 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > Is anyone else receiving this message? > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of > [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Oct 31 09:38:03 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:38:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell Message-ID: Hi Erik, Which XLII have you had shell flexing issues with. Is it the current American "cool" series in the silverish wrapper or the British "Fire" series or alternativley, the British "Mystic" series? I am not familiar with any XLII tapes currenly being exported from Japan as final assemblies, but as I have expereinced in the world of cassettes, that doesn't mean there aren't any!! I was impressed that you are quite happy to use the modest, but omnipresent TDK "D". It can be a surprisingly compentent tape although I do find it demands absolute calibration. As a cassette collector (I never intended to be, but I have to hang my head and admit I am) your post was very interesting. It's also good to hear that your DR-8 gives you rewarding service. Cheers, Marc >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 12:45AM >>> John, The current variety of Maxell XLII tapes have an extremely flexible casette shell. On my humble Nak DR-8, I've noticed extreme azimuth problems with about half of the XLII tapes I've bought. Since I only have a single-capstan Nak with no azimuth adjustment, I've had to return many, many XLII tapes to Maxell for replacement. The ones that are manufactured properly sound excellent. I've had the same experience with TDK MA tapes in terms of the cassette shell being manufactured improperly. The advantage of TDK MA tapes is that the casette shell is completely rigid and, when manufactured correctly, sound excellent -- even better than the Maxell XL II. Lately I've been using the inexpensive TDK D series normal bias tapes since they are widely available, durable, and have an extremely rigid cassette shell (similar to the TDK MA). Unlike TDK MA and Maxell XL II, I've never had a problem with an improperly-manufactured TDK D cassette. For my purposes (car and walkman listening), this tape suits me fine. Erik. On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, john minihan wrote: > Hello Everyone > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > Thanks > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samithas at srilankan.lk Thu Oct 31 10:06:01 2002 From: samithas at srilankan.lk (Samitha Samaraweera) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:06:01 +0600 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <9BF2132DA7A3D6119FB300508B1377C338AAED@ULCAKMBXADM04> I am sorry to disappoint you all. I am Samitha Samaraweera a male from tropical south Asian country of SriLanka. Not much of very high end audio equipment found here. Anyway I am fortunate to own three Fine working NAKs CR30, ZX7 and 582. I also own a ZX9 and BX300 which are out of order. ZX 9 most probably due to the orange cap disease. The biggest problem is that we don't have a proper NAK service center in SriLanka. Is there any simple ways (instruments/tools) to calibrate your machines? I am also interested in vintage equipment. Own Marantz 2600, 2270B receivers, Valve amps(Leak/Luxman)and Garrad turntables (301/401 SME combinations). We truly enjoy reading your mail chains/forums which give some wonderful technical hits hard to find. Thanks Best Regards Samitha Samaraweera -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [mailto:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Unless I'm very wrong, there is no difference, except possibly the power supply setting - it's branded CR30 for the Japanese market, CR3A for US, CR3E for European, but it's still the same deck. Dare I ask a personal question - could this be the first contribution (at least that I am aware of) to our list by a lady ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Samitha Samaraweera Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: [naktalk] Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 12:54:04 +0600 Can any one tell me the difference between cassette deck CR3 and CR30. Thanks Regards Samitha ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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No doubt, they are very fine. Durable too. Particularly with naks, that employ the pad-lifter, they'll last indefinitely. I have UD XLII tapes from 1982 and they still still sound superb - as if I had recorded them yesterday. In about 1984, Maxell dropped the UD prefix for their better type II cassettes. I have the highest regard for Maxell. As a resource on this list, there are a number of very highly knowledgable people on this subject. Tom Siomopolous has, it seems, a serious collection of tape media, and I have learned a lot from Nicholas. He is very quality conscious and experienced, Unfortunately, all the manufacturers have minimised thier ranges due to reduced sales. So, we all have to make do with getting what's available - a fairly narrow range. Over here is RSA, Sony sell UX, ZX, EX and some other trull horrible type 1 called FX. Maxell now only have UR, UE, UDII and UDI. TDK have SA-X, SA, D, B and if you're lucky, MA. JVC sell their ordinary, though tough G1. There's a fair range of junk from China and Taiwan which is well worth avaoiding. Depending on where you are, you could have rewarding searches for tapes by going to the depths of downtown shops - little bazaars and the like. This may reveal small stashes of discontinued lines, so it pays to hone those observation skills!! Good luck. Regards, Marc Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smonk at flash.net Thu Oct 31 12:24:17 2002 From: smonk at flash.net (john minihan) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 04:24:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TAPE Message-ID: <001801c280d0$10311440$f704f5d1@computer> Erik: I'm glad you responded because I too have noticed problems with the Maxell XL II on my Dragon. One cassette drove the NAAC crazy while another was just fine. So thanks for all emails, the issue and responds' were well received here. John Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:38:03 +0200 From: "Mark Hugo" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell Hi Erik, Which XLII have you had shell flexing issues with. Is it the current American "cool" series in the silverish wrapper or the British "Fire" series or alternativley, the British "Mystic" series? I am not familiar with any XLII tapes currenly being exported from Japan as final assemblies, but as I have expereinced in the world of cassettes, that doesn't mean there aren't any!! I was impressed that you are quite happy to use the modest, but omnipresent TDK "D". It can be a surprisingly compentent tape although I do find it demands absolute calibration. As a cassette collector (I never intended to be, but I have to hang my head and admit I am) your post was very interesting. It's also good to hear that your DR-8 gives you rewarding service. Cheers, Marc >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 12:45AM >>> John, The current variety of Maxell XLII tapes have an extremely flexible casette shell. On my humble Nak DR-8, I've noticed extreme azimuth problems with about half of the XLII tapes I've bought. Since I only have a single-capstan Nak with no azimuth adjustment, I've had to return many, many XLII tapes to Maxell for replacement. The ones that are manufactured properly sound excellent. I've had the same experience with TDK MA tapes in terms of the cassette shell being manufactured improperly. The advantage of TDK MA tapes is that the casette shell is completely rigid and, when manufactured correctly, sound excellent -- even better than the Maxell XL II. Lately I've been using the inexpensive TDK D series normal bias tapes since they are widely available, durable, and have an extremely rigid cassette shell (similar to the TDK MA). Unlike TDK MA and Maxell XL II, I've never had a problem with an improperly-manufactured TDK D cassette. For my purposes (car and walkman listening), this tape suits me fine. Erik. On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, john minihan wrote: > Hello Everyone > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > Thanks > John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Thu Oct 31 13:03:05 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:03:05 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D2C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5627.021031@mtu-net.ru> Hello Thomas, I've recieved a lot. Vladimir. ÷åòâåðã, 31 îêòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: TS> Is anyone else receiving this message? 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Aaron Taylor Data Technician / Data Services Reynolds & Reynolds (937) 485-0640 Fax: (937) 485-0953 aaron_taylor at reyrey.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:jay at benach.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Cassettes Does anyone have any experience with Maxell MS 'Studio' series blank tape? http://www.technicalimages.com/msstudio.htm http://www.maxell.com/home/index.html [click promedia then audio] http://shop.store.yahoo.com/blankmedia/msxlii90min.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Any major work done on the deck. Heads replaced before? Etc. Cheers, Marc >>> aaron_taylor at reyrey.com 10/31/02 03:33PM >>> Hi All, Have have for sale 50 Maxell MX and MX-S used matal tapes for sale. I Also have 1 TDK MA-XG die cast metal tape for sale. How much is all that worth? I Am also selling a pioneer tape deck. Aaron Taylor Data Technician / Data Services Reynolds & Reynolds (937) 485-0640 Fax: (937) 485-0953 aaron_taylor at reyrey.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay [mailto:jay at benach.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Cassettes Does anyone have any experience with Maxell MS 'Studio' series blank tape? http://www.technicalimages.com/msstudio.htm http://www.maxell.com/home/index.html [click promedia then audio] http://shop.store.yahoo.com/blankmedia/msxlii90min.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John Quoting Jay : > Does anyone have any experience with Maxell MS 'Studio' series blank tape? > http://www.technicalimages.com/msstudio.htm > http://www.maxell.com/home/index.html [click promedia then audio] > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/blankmedia/msxlii90min.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Oct 31 16:41:32 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 07:41:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Marc, The Maxell tape that I'm referring to is an American XL II. I believe that the wrapper was goldish with black writing, but that was a while ago, so I could be wrong. The tape itself is gray with a philips screw at each of the four corners holding the tape together. If I hold the tape in my hands at each end and try to twist the tape to distort the shell, it can easily be flexed as much as 4mm in each direction! With TDK D or MA I cannot do this (the shell remains rigid). It may be related or unrelated, but the TDK tapes don't use screws. The shell must be bonded together with some kind of plastic bonding agent (glue?). Erik. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Mark Hugo wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Which XLII have you had shell flexing issues with. Is it the current > American "cool" series in the silverish wrapper or the British "Fire" > series or alternativley, the British "Mystic" series? I am not > familiar with any XLII tapes currenly being exported from Japan as > final assemblies, but as I have expereinced in the world of cassettes, > that doesn't mean there aren't any!! > > I was impressed that you are quite happy to use the modest, but > omnipresent TDK "D". It can be a surprisingly compentent tape > although I do find it demands absolute calibration. As a cassette > collector (I never intended to be, but I have to hang my head and > admit I am) your post was very interesting. It's also good to hear > that your DR-8 gives you rewarding service. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 12:45AM >>> > John, > > The current variety of Maxell XLII tapes have an extremely flexible > casette shell. On my humble Nak DR-8, I've noticed extreme azimuth > problems with about half of the XLII tapes I've bought. Since I only have > a single-capstan Nak with no azimuth adjustment, I've had to return many, > many XLII tapes to Maxell for replacement. The ones that are manufactured > properly sound excellent. > > I've had the same experience with TDK MA tapes in terms of the cassette > shell being manufactured improperly. The advantage of TDK MA tapes is > that the casette shell is completely rigid and, when manufactured > correctly, sound excellent -- even better than the Maxell XL II. > > Lately I've been using the inexpensive TDK D series normal bias tapes > since they are widely available, durable, and have an extremely rigid > cassette shell (similar to the TDK MA). Unlike TDK MA and Maxell XL II, > I've never had a problem with an improperly-manufactured TDK D cassette. > For my purposes (car and walkman listening), this tape suits me fine. > > Erik. > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, john minihan wrote: > > > Hello Everyone > > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > > Thanks > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Oct 31 17:05:46 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:05:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Cassettes Message-ID: I have never actually seen MS Studio, but I did think when I saw an illustration that it was simply a UDII or XLII in a rather unglamorous packaging. I don't think it's found outside North America. Marc >>> jmtooley at ce.net 10/31/02 04:48PM >>> I wonder why Maxell has a name change, it's the same tape. Does this mean less product with lower quality shells or mechanics? John Quoting Jay : > Does anyone have any experience with Maxell MS 'Studio' series blank tape? > http://www.technicalimages.com/msstudio.htm > http://www.maxell.com/home/index.html [click promedia then audio] > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/blankmedia/msxlii90min.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Vladimir Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:03 AM To: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification Hello Thomas, I've recieved a lot. Vladimir. ÷åòâåðã, 31 îêòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: TS> Is anyone else receiving this message? TS> Tom Siomopoulos TS> -----Original Message----- TS> From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] TS> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 TS> To: naktalk at naks.com TS> Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification TS> You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of TS> [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source TS> address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message TS> was undelivered. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Oct 31 18:30:20 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:30:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification Message-ID: <000401c28103$30aca120$b5231ec4@private> Only 48 times? What bliss ! -----Original Message----- From: John To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:28 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification I got hit by this message 48 times since last nite. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Vladimir Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:03 AM To: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification Hello Thomas, I've recieved a lot. Vladimir. ÷åòâåðã, 31 îêòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: TS> Is anyone else receiving this message? TS> Tom Siomopoulos TS> -----Original Message----- TS> From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] TS> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 TS> To: naktalk at naks.com TS> Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification TS> You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of TS> [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source TS> address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message TS> was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method TS> if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== TS> ======= TS> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck TS> resource. 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Name: not available URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Oct 31 19:41:28 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:41:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification References: <000401c28103$30aca120$b5231ec4@private> Message-ID: <000701c2810d$1f945d10$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> GWAVA http://www.gwtools.com/ ---- Original Message ----- From: "wdrewes" To: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:30 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > Only 48 times? What bliss ! > -----Original Message----- > From: John > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:28 PM > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message > notification > > > I got hit by this message 48 times since last nite. > > Cal John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Vladimir > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:03 AM > To: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message > notification > > > Hello Thomas, > > I've recieved a lot. > > Vladimir. > > ÷åòâåðã, 31 îêòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > TS> Is anyone else receiving this message? > > TS> Tom Siomopoulos > > TS> -----Original Message----- > TS> From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] > TS> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 > TS> To: naktalk at naks.com > TS> Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification > > > TS> You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject > of > TS> [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. 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TS> Tom Siomopoulos TS> -----Original Message----- TS> From: GWAVA [mailto:gw_postmaster at anderson.edu] TS> Sent: Thursday, 31 October 2002 11:17 TS> To: naktalk at naks.com TS> Subject: [naktalk] [GWAVA:1s61pl18] Source block message notification TS> You recently sent an E-mail message to [No To Addresses] with a subject of TS> [naktalk] [GWAVA:1uwtporx] Source block message notification. The source TS> address of this message (naktalk at naks.com) is not permitted and the message TS> was undelivered. Contact the recipient to arrange another delivery method TS> if you feel your message was wrongly blocked. TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== TS> ======= TS> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck TS> resource. 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Basically XLII tape in a different shell if I'm not mistaken. Ed jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > I wonder why Maxell has a name change, it's the same tape. Does this mean less > product with lower quality shells or mechanics? > > John > > Quoting Jay : > > > Does anyone have any experience with Maxell MS 'Studio' series blank tape? > > http://www.technicalimages.com/msstudio.htm > > http://www.maxell.com/home/index.html [click promedia then audio] > > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/blankmedia/msxlii90min.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Nov 1 13:37:56 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:37:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell Message-ID: Hi Erik, Thanks for the description: the gold and black predates the current silver wrapper with black and red legends/writing. That grey shell (if it's light grey) sounds like the present Maxell UDII that we are getting here in RSA. I haven't noticed an azimuth problem with UDII. I also haven't tried giving it a good "twist"!! But I shall!! Although we tend to attach credibility to shells with screws in each corner, industrial bonding is now so good, that unless you need to go inside, it should be just as good as the bolted version. (Even aircraft use various types of industrial bonding/fixing instead of welding and rivets thesedays). I must say, the three part BASF TP (Top Precision) tapes are excellent shells. Either TPII or TPIV. Tom, I think you located a stash of those Metal Maxima TPIVs in Melbourne or somewhere?? Any opinions on the mechanisms? Marc >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 05:41PM >>> Marc, The Maxell tape that I'm referring to is an American XL II. I believe that the wrapper was goldish with black writing, but that was a while ago, so I could be wrong. The tape itself is gray with a philips screw at each of the four corners holding the tape together. If I hold the tape in my hands at each end and try to twist the tape to distort the shell, it can easily be flexed as much as 4mm in each direction! With TDK D or MA I cannot do this (the shell remains rigid). It may be related or unrelated, but the TDK tapes don't use screws. The shell must be bonded together with some kind of plastic bonding agent (glue?). Erik. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Mark Hugo wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Which XLII have you had shell flexing issues with. Is it the current > American "cool" series in the silverish wrapper or the British "Fire" > series or alternativley, the British "Mystic" series? I am not > familiar with any XLII tapes currenly being exported from Japan as > final assemblies, but as I have expereinced in the world of cassettes, > that doesn't mean there aren't any!! > > I was impressed that you are quite happy to use the modest, but > omnipresent TDK "D". It can be a surprisingly compentent tape > although I do find it demands absolute calibration. As a cassette > collector (I never intended to be, but I have to hang my head and > admit I am) your post was very interesting. It's also good to hear > that your DR-8 gives you rewarding service. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 12:45AM >>> > John, > > The current variety of Maxell XLII tapes have an extremely flexible > casette shell. On my humble Nak DR-8, I've noticed extreme azimuth > problems with about half of the XLII tapes I've bought. Since I only have > a single-capstan Nak with no azimuth adjustment, I've had to return many, > many XLII tapes to Maxell for replacement. The ones that are manufactured > properly sound excellent. > > I've had the same experience with TDK MA tapes in terms of the cassette > shell being manufactured improperly. The advantage of TDK MA tapes is > that the casette shell is completely rigid and, when manufactured > correctly, sound excellent -- even better than the Maxell XL II. > > Lately I've been using the inexpensive TDK D series normal bias tapes > since they are widely available, durable, and have an extremely rigid > cassette shell (similar to the TDK MA). Unlike TDK MA and Maxell XL II, > I've never had a problem with an improperly-manufactured TDK D cassette. > For my purposes (car and walkman listening), this tape suits me fine. > > Erik. > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, john minihan wrote: > > > Hello Everyone > > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > > Thanks > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 1 14:36:08 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:36:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell Cassettes In-Reply-To: <3DC1F1D2.F37B22C6@snet.net> References: <1036075718.3dc142c702124@mail.ce.net> <3DC1F1D2.F37B22C6@snet.net> Message-ID: <1036157768.3dc2834899de2@mail.ce.net> I wonder if that was done to increase profits. Regular XLII's are awfully cheap! John Quoting Ed Noyes : > The MS Studio tape has been around for some time with sale primarily in the > "pro" > market. Basically XLII tape in a different shell if I'm not mistaken. > > Ed > > jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > > > I wonder why Maxell has a name change, it's the same tape. Does this mean > less > > product with lower quality shells or mechanics? > > > > John > > > > Quoting Jay : > > > > > Does anyone have any experience with Maxell MS 'Studio' series blank > tape? > > > http://www.technicalimages.com/msstudio.htm > > > http://www.maxell.com/home/index.html [click promedia then audio] > > > http://shop.store.yahoo.com/blankmedia/msxlii90min.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Nov 2 15:57:03 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:57:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D25@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <012401c28281$c11499a0$231f2ac4@CopyTech> No, not now, Tom. I'll let you know ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > Hello all, > > This question may have been asked previously, Carlos do you want the > money now or later? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 8:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com; rob755 at cwnet.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Project (10/2002 update) > > > Rob, Marathon Tapers, et al: > > I'm pleased to report that I did communicate with Carlos last week, and we > have all components of M-Tape 1 and M-Tape 2 in his hands at the El > Magnifico's audio studio in Puerto Rico. > > Although Carlos is in a transition at home base, and is currently on a > business trip to California, he assured me that he soon intends to master > our M-Tape contributions into a single CDR compilation for distribution to > participants. The timeline for completion is somewhat up in the air, but > all things considered, I would speculate that something could be > accomplished during the next couple months. Presumably, if Carlos has the > time to spare in his busy business schedule, he could have remastering and > CDR copies distributed to key players by the end of the year. > > Preliminary discussions between Carlos and Bleus came up with a plan that > included cost recovery for material and postage logistics. We decided that > a $10 (USA Dollars) fee will be requested from each M-Taper who wants a copy > of the Marathon Tape recordings. We'll work out the details on logistics > and costs when Carlos has furthered his efforts on remastering and > duplication. > > Unfortunately, we can't have the M-Tape materials easily duplicated directly > to analogue tape for wide distribution, as we first envisioned. > Nevertheless, I believe that we should look at the situation as an > opportunity to more effectively distribute our music between us, since CDRs > are more durable for trans-ocean mailings and certainly keeps the documented > music recorded indefinately in digital format. Furthermore, we all have the > option of transposing the M-Tape materials back onto analogue tape, and by > doing that on our own personal Nak cassette decks, we ensure optimum replay > on our own audio sound systems! > > Stay tuned, I'm confident that Carlos will be responding with an update from > the mastering studio in the coming week or so. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > M-Tape PR Coordinator > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > ---- forwarded message exerpt ---- > > naktalk-digest Sunday, October 20 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2740 > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:46:19 -0700 > From: "Rob Hamilton" > Subject: [naktalk] What's up with Marathon 1? > > I'm not up on the latest. Has it ever been established what the heck > happened to tape? Did John S. ever receive it? I recall some talk of sending > Carlos re-recordings individually. What a shame it fizzled out! If any one > can help with any of these questions....please do. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Nov 3 07:37:02 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:37:02 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shel l Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D37@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Marc, Yes I bought the last batch from Emtec directly. The shells are fantastic as is the entire mechanism - sound great too! They give consistent good quality time and time again. I'm saving them for real special recordings. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Friday, 1 November 2002 11:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell Hi Erik, Thanks for the description: the gold and black predates the current silver wrapper with black and red legends/writing. That grey shell (if it's light grey) sounds like the present Maxell UDII that we are getting here in RSA. I haven't noticed an azimuth problem with UDII. I also haven't tried giving it a good "twist"!! But I shall!! Although we tend to attach credibility to shells with screws in each corner, industrial bonding is now so good, that unless you need to go inside, it should be just as good as the bolted version. (Even aircraft use various types of industrial bonding/fixing instead of welding and rivets thesedays). I must say, the three part BASF TP (Top Precision) tapes are excellent shells. Either TPII or TPIV. Tom, I think you located a stash of those Metal Maxima TPIVs in Melbourne or somewhere?? Any opinions on the mechanisms? Marc >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 05:41PM >>> Marc, The Maxell tape that I'm referring to is an American XL II. I believe that the wrapper was goldish with black writing, but that was a while ago, so I could be wrong. The tape itself is gray with a philips screw at each of the four corners holding the tape together. If I hold the tape in my hands at each end and try to twist the tape to distort the shell, it can easily be flexed as much as 4mm in each direction! With TDK D or MA I cannot do this (the shell remains rigid). It may be related or unrelated, but the TDK tapes don't use screws. The shell must be bonded together with some kind of plastic bonding agent (glue?). Erik. On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Mark Hugo wrote: > Hi Erik, > > Which XLII have you had shell flexing issues with. Is it the current > American "cool" series in the silverish wrapper or the British "Fire" > series or alternativley, the British "Mystic" series? I am not > familiar with any XLII tapes currenly being exported from Japan as > final assemblies, but as I have expereinced in the world of cassettes, > that doesn't mean there aren't any!! > > I was impressed that you are quite happy to use the modest, but > omnipresent TDK "D". It can be a surprisingly compentent tape > although I do find it demands absolute calibration. As a cassette > collector (I never intended to be, but I have to hang my head and > admit I am) your post was very interesting. It's also good to hear > that your DR-8 gives you rewarding service. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> erikvcl at silcom.com 10/31/02 12:45AM >>> > John, > > The current variety of Maxell XLII tapes have an extremely flexible > casette shell. On my humble Nak DR-8, I've noticed extreme azimuth > problems with about half of the XLII tapes I've bought. Since I only have > a single-capstan Nak with no azimuth adjustment, I've had to return many, > many XLII tapes to Maxell for replacement. The ones that are manufactured > properly sound excellent. > > I've had the same experience with TDK MA tapes in terms of the cassette > shell being manufactured improperly. The advantage of TDK MA tapes is > that the casette shell is completely rigid and, when manufactured > correctly, sound excellent -- even better than the Maxell XL II. > > Lately I've been using the inexpensive TDK D series normal bias tapes > since they are widely available, durable, and have an extremely rigid > cassette shell (similar to the TDK MA). Unlike TDK MA and Maxell XL II, > I've never had a problem with an improperly-manufactured TDK D cassette. > For my purposes (car and walkman listening), this tape suits me fine. > > Erik. > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, john minihan wrote: > > > Hello Everyone > > I have been lurking on the list for a while and want to ask a question of > > the group. What is your preferred cassette tape? I recently got my Dragon > > back from Stephen and the tape I have been using, maxell xlII seems average > > at best. The price is good, good old Target the audiophiles superstore. Let > > me know if this subject has already been beaten to death. > > Thanks > > John > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 3 11:44:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 10:44:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D37@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000101c28326$05cb4a40$e54987d9@oemcomputer> For those in the UK, if you like EMTEC CEIIs, the UK Aldi supermarkets are selling them in packs of four for less that £2. Personally, I rate their shells better than the TDK SAs that are still available around here. As for sound quality - I don't have the most discriminating ear but I don't think there's much in it. As for longevity ... time will tell! Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 3 16:56:51 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 10:56:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D25@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <012401c28281$c11499a0$231f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3DC54743.FC9D702D@rcn.com> Yesterday I fired up my CR-7, inserted a cassette and pushed PLAY, only to be greeted by dead silence. Upon examination I discovered (takes a sharp eye, it does) that the capstans were not turning. The capstan motor does get +12V and but draws over 350mA -- it's definitely bad. Last time this happened, the driver IC was bad. A replacement wasn't available any place I could think of. Stephen came to the rescue, offering a bad motor board, from which I could cannibalize the IC. At the time, a new motor was about $130 from Nak in Torrance. Even assuming they still have it, I am looking for an alternative. I found a CR-4 on ebay for $300 plus shipping and am considering getting it for parts. The capstan motor would pay for about half, and there would be other parts (possibly, heads?) that would make up for the rest. Here are my questions for you CR-4 gurus): is the CR-4 capstan motor identical to the CR-7? On the schematic, the motor seems awfully close (2 resistors are of different value, but that could be a version difference). How about the whole transport? How about the heads? Are there any other non-generic part identities? Does anyone have a CR-4 Service manual to look up some part numbers for me? I would be very grateful. The following are the corresponding CR-7 P/Ns: Capstan Motor assy: CA80364A R-3L Rec head assy: CA08659B P2H-3L PB head assy: CA08755A E-4F erase head: GA02201A TIA for all responses, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Nov 3 16:58:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:58:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews In-Reply-To: <000101c28326$05cb4a40$e54987d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000701c28351$e356c760$e54987d9@oemcomputer> Guys This won't surprise may of you. Yesterday I was talking to a guy who used to work for a not so well known high end UK manufacturer of hi fi - amps, CDs and phono stages. He mentioned how his company once manufactured an integrated amp for a lower end market, not before catered for. Cost something around £500. He reckons a certain well known UK hi fi mag' reviewed the amp and gave it a glowing review. Maximum results. The company was then approached by an ad' salesman from the mag, he claims, and was offered a regular advertising deal with the promise of favourable reviews for any subsequent products. The manufacturer refused the offer and none of their equipment has been selected by the magazine for review ever since. Anyone out there with first hand experience of this? I've love to write an expose on this ... but I'd need credible witnesses who could back up their claims with evidence. BTW, the same guy gave me a couple of tips that he got from the boss of the manufacturer ... I've not tried either yet. 1 For turntables, sit them on a concrete paving stone for best sound. Interesting. One of mine is sat directly on a slab of white marble. The other is not. Yes, it's the Lenco that is sat on marble while the PT TOO is on an isolated wood shelf but separated by it with Michell isolation cones.) 2 For Speakers, get the cross-over circuit outside of the speaker box for best sound. Not sure I want to fiddle about with my Yam's to do that but, if anyone else fancies having a go and it works ... Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 3 17:48:17 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 11:48:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] BBC recordings Message-ID: <002001c28358$cfd41a60$98106343@johnnyrotten> I'm from the UK now living in Delaware. If you ever decide to transfer those BBC war years records to reel, cassette, MD's or CD's, could you please include me? I would dearly love to hear them! Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Nov 3 17:55:11 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:25:11 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor Message-ID: <20021103165511.6F068114993@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 3 19:23:13 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 01:23:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D25@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <012401c28281$c11499a0$231f2ac4@CopyTech> <3DC54743.FC9D702D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000601c28366$4c66bee0$f6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Ouch ! Do you play tapes regularly on your deck? I wonder if it's about time for the Sankyos ... The manual says similar p/n CA80364A for CR4's DD motor assy (and it looked very similar to much-easier-to-find BX300 but somehow different part number). Rec & erase heads also similar for most new nak models. However, CR7 pb head's bracket is slightly longer for the trim gear purposes than that of CR4's and I'm not sure the newer head can be detached from its bracket, unlike older naks - the other nak that share same pb head part number is Cass Deck 1, and probably DR-1. If only you can use BX300 mechanism ... I have a bx for parts and for cheap right there in DC area !Anyway, I guess you already tried manually cranking the capstan (it helped on my case), maybe the grease got frozen again on cold Mass. temperature. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor Yesterday I fired up my CR-7, inserted a cassette and pushed PLAY, only to be greeted by dead silence. Upon examination I discovered (takes a sharp eye, it does) that the capstans were not turning. The capstan motor does get +12V and but draws over 350mA -- it's definitely bad. Last time this happened, the driver IC was bad. A replacement wasn't available any place I could think of. Stephen came to the rescue, offering a bad motor board, from which I could cannibalize the IC. At the time, a new motor was about $130 from Nak in Torrance. Even assuming they still have it, I am looking for an alternative. I found a CR-4 on ebay for $300 plus shipping and am considering getting it for parts. The capstan motor would pay for about half, and there would be other parts (possibly, heads?) that would make up for the rest. Here are my questions for you CR-4 gurus): is the CR-4 capstan motor identical to the CR-7? On the schematic, the motor seems awfully close (2 resistors are of different value, but that could be a version difference). How about the whole transport? How about the heads? Are there any other non-generic part identities? Does anyone have a CR-4 Service manual to look up some part numbers for me? I would be very grateful. The following are the corresponding CR-7 P/Ns: Capstan Motor assy: CA80364A R-3L Rec head assy: CA08659B P2H-3L PB head assy: CA08755A E-4F erase head: GA02201A TIA for all responses, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Sun Nov 3 19:01:44 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 13:01:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2780 References: <200211031554.QAA14053@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <003201c28363$248e4620$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Sun, 03 Nov 2002 10:56:51 -0500, Ron wrote: > Does anyone have a CR-4 Service manual to look up some part > numbers for me? Sure... > The following are the corresponding CR-7 P/Ns: > > Capstan Motor assy: CA80364A Same as the CR-4. > R-3L Rec head assy: CA08659B Same as the CR-4. > P2H-3L PB head assy: CA08755A This is listed as P2H-L Playback Head Ass'y: CA08658B in the CR-4 service manual. > E-4F erase head: GA02201A Same as the CR-4. Hope this helps. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 4 01:15:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:15:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 capstan motor References: <20021103165511.6F068114993@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DC5BC31.A6D15AE5@rcn.com> Thanks to all that responded. Kannan's mention of the cold weather here in Massachusetts rang a bell... We've been having an industrial strength cold spell here when my heating was still set for summer. So, I took a closer look at the motor and, sure enough, the take-up capstan bearing was all but frozen. I took both capstans off and cleaned both bearings and capstan shafts. When all was nice and free, I soaked the bearings in light machine oil for a while. The motor now works fine. Speed is 0.3% fast, which is fine. The only remaining problem is that the idle current is still 80mA - 100mA (spec is 53mA). I suspect that this is the best I can expect from this old motor. I will be looking for a BX300 or even a CR-7 for parts. Again, thanx for all replies, -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Ron > I am sitting in San Jose - really bit faraway from my home ( i think about 10000 miles!) - I have the Cr4 manual at Bangalore.However I feel you do not need the manual for your problem. I would rather recommend cheap BX300 motor if you are buying up the Machine for parts ( they are available in ebay for half the price). > > I have seen both Cr7 motor and BX300 Motor - they are same( from my experience with CR4 manual - they are same as BX300 motor) excepting the part for playback head mounting - to allow head movement using an extra motor. So you can take BX300 motor part and fit it on CR7 motor part - I mean only the part concerning motor and drives and even the door etc without problem - since CR7 uses this extra motor/ levers and hinged head mount for playabcak head - those parts are different and the part number for getting a spare part from Nak parts will be different incase you wwant to try brand new whole part from NAK. If you really need the page - I can ask my office people in Bangalore to locate - that takes about a week. > I also experimented with BX300 motor when it gave a similar problem - the head current was higher. Pull out the pully and shaft out of the housing - clean the bore with a clean cotton cloth using a metal rod of small dia - which cleans the bore. > REally clean many times as the dirt is bit stubborn. > Appy the lubricant and try running it - you will find the current draw would have reduced - You try cleaning the bore again after sometime to reduce the currnt below 120 MA - after that the motor would be running with the series resistor a bit hot - but it will run. I had repeated this for almost five days - 10 times or more to bring the motor current down from say 200 ma or so to 100 ma - I can also get the ICs from Bangalore as they are still available. But I suspect the motor has a tendency to give problems in the long run unlike traditional Nak mechanism motors- ( My 582 is still working perfectly! > Kannan > > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > > Yesterday I fired up my CR-7, inserted a cassette and pushed > PLAY, only to be greeted by dead silence. Upon examination > I discovered (takes a sharp eye, it does) that the capstans > were not turning. The capstan motor does get +12V and but > draws over 350mA -- it's definitely bad. > > Last time this happened, the driver IC was bad. A replacement > wasn't available any place I could think of. Stephen came to > the rescue, offering a bad motor board, from which I could > cannibalize the IC. > > At the time, a new motor was about $130 from Nak in Torrance. > Even assuming they still have it, I am looking for an > alternative. I found a CR-4 on ebay for $300 plus shipping and > am considering getting it for parts. The capstan motor would > pay for about half, and there would be other parts (possibly, > heads?) that would make up for the rest. > > Here are my questions for you CR-4 gurus): is the CR-4 capstan > motor identical to the CR-7? On the schematic, the motor seems > awfully close (2 resistors are of different value, but that > could be a version difference). How about the whole transport? > How about the heads? Are there any other non-generic part > identities? > > Does anyone have a CR-4 Service manual to look up some part > numbers for me? I would be very grateful. The following are > the corresponding CR-7 P/Ns: > > Capstan Motor assy: CA80364A > R-3L Rec head assy: CA08659B > P2H-3L PB head assy: CA08755A > E-4F erase head: GA02201A > > TIA for all responses, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 4 01:27:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 19:27:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews References: <000701c28351$e356c760$e54987d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DC5BEF9.5CC40509@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys > > This won't surprise may of you. Yesterday I was talking to a guy who used > to work for a not so well known high end UK manufacturer of hi fi - amps, > CDs and phono stages. He mentioned how his company once manufactured an > integrated amp for a lower end market, not before catered for. Cost > something around £500. He reckons a certain well known UK hi fi mag' > reviewed the amp and gave it a glowing review. Maximum results. The > company was then approached by an ad' salesman from the mag, he claims, and > was offered a regular advertising deal with the promise of favourable > reviews for any subsequent products. The manufacturer refused the offer and > none of their equipment has been selected by the magazine for review ever > since. Anyone out there with first hand experience of this? I've love to > write an expose on this ... but I'd need credible witnesses who could back > up their claims with evidence. No surprise here. Unfortunately, all available evidence is circumstantial at best. > BTW, the same guy gave me a couple of tips that he got from the boss of the > manufacturer ... I've not tried either yet. > > 1 For turntables, sit them on a concrete paving stone for best sound. > Interesting. One of mine is sat directly on a slab of white marble. The > other is not. Yes, it's the Lenco that is sat on marble while the PT TOO is > on an isolated wood shelf but separated by it with Michell isolation cones.) That's a no brainer. Any large mass that decouples the TT from the environment should improve sound by reducing acoustic feedback. > 2 For Speakers, get the cross-over circuit outside of the speaker box for > best sound. Not sure I want to fiddle about with my Yam's to do that but, > if anyone else fancies having a go and it works ... But, I wonder why this would be so. What does this guy know that no speaker manufacturer in the world has discovered yet? -- Ron > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Nov 4 02:04:00 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 17:04:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews In-Reply-To: <3DC5BEF9.5CC40509@rcn.com> Message-ID: There have been several speakers designed to have an external crossover. The Lin Isobarik is one that comes to mind and I think there is at least one Naim speaker of that variety. There are undoubtedly others. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 4:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews Graham Nelson wrote: > > Guys > > This won't surprise may of you. Yesterday I was talking to a guy who used > to work for a not so well known high end UK manufacturer of hi fi - amps, > CDs and phono stages. He mentioned how his company once manufactured an > integrated amp for a lower end market, not before catered for. Cost > something around £500. He reckons a certain well known UK hi fi mag' > reviewed the amp and gave it a glowing review. Maximum results. The > company was then approached by an ad' salesman from the mag, he claims, and > was offered a regular advertising deal with the promise of favourable > reviews for any subsequent products. The manufacturer refused the offer and > none of their equipment has been selected by the magazine for review ever > since. Anyone out there with first hand experience of this? I've love to > write an expose on this ... but I'd need credible witnesses who could back > up their claims with evidence. No surprise here. Unfortunately, all available evidence is circumstantial at best. > BTW, the same guy gave me a couple of tips that he got from the boss of the > manufacturer ... I've not tried either yet. > > 1 For turntables, sit them on a concrete paving stone for best sound. > Interesting. One of mine is sat directly on a slab of white marble. The > other is not. Yes, it's the Lenco that is sat on marble while the PT TOO is > on an isolated wood shelf but separated by it with Michell isolation cones.) That's a no brainer. Any large mass that decouples the TT from the environment should improve sound by reducing acoustic feedback. > 2 For Speakers, get the cross-over circuit outside of the speaker box for > best sound. Not sure I want to fiddle about with my Yam's to do that but, > if anyone else fancies having a go and it works ... But, I wonder why this would be so. What does this guy know that no speaker manufacturer in the world has discovered yet? -- Ron > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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As for longevity ... time will tell! > > Gra' > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 4 04:29:07 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 22:29:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews References: <000701c28351$e356c760$e54987d9@oemcomputer> <3DC5BEF9.5CC40509@rcn.com> <3DC5D881.AE1C9621@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DC5E983.92BC6659@rcn.com> Carl mentioned two. This is by no means main stream; still, I stand corrected. Did any of these manufacturers offer an explanation? It would be one way of allowing for bi-amping. But, did anyone claim improved sound? -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Actually, there are a number of speaker manufacturers that offer models with external > crossovers. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > > > But, I wonder why this would be so. What does this guy know > > that no speaker manufacturer in the world has discovered yet? > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 4 09:12:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:12:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII Shell In-Reply-To: <3DC5E512.9BD79482@snet.net> Message-ID: <002c01c283d9$dc6f0380$e54987d9@oemcomputer> Hi Ed Thanks for asking. The ear is a lot better though still not back to normal. The doc reckons this is probably due to slight infection of the ear drum caused by catarrah. For the most part hearing is normal though slightly dulled, but I still get distortion with some high end pitch notes, esp, around top C on piano. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ed Noyes > Sent: 04 November 2002 03:10 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2768: Erik: Maxell XLII > Shell > > > Hey Graham, > > How's the ear anyway, you had me worried after relating your > story of unloading a > blank (and I don't mean tape) a little too close. Has time proven > a healer? > > Regards, > Ed > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 4 09:12:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:12:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews In-Reply-To: <3DC5BEF9.5CC40509@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002d01c283d9$dd59ffc0$e54987d9@oemcomputer> > > But, I wonder why this would be so. What does this guy know > that no speaker manufacturer in the world has discovered yet? > > -- Ron > > I am told the benefit occurs by removing the cross-over from magnetic interference. I don't know why magnetic current should affect the cross over. However, this is similar advice to that I once heard before regarding the magnetic field generated by PSU supposedly affecting the circuits of amps; it was recommended that one seek to draw the magnetic field away from the internal circuit by placing a large block of iron close to the PSU. There is such a "device" being sold, called a "flux dumper" which is a piece of iron dressed in a smart wooden case and it costs a hell of a lot of money! A bag of nails from the hardware store would be a much cheaper alternative! Does this work? Why would it work? Dunno - I'm not the engineer! ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Nov 4 15:42:27 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 09:42:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews References: <002d01c283d9$dd59ffc0$e54987d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3DC68753.F539919A@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > But, I wonder why this would be so. What does this guy know > > that no speaker manufacturer in the world has discovered yet? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > I am told the benefit occurs by removing the cross-over from magnetic > interference. I don't know why magnetic current should affect the cross > over. Presumably, because the crossover contains coils. However, magnetic fields around speakers are rather well localized and any good designer would place the xover circuit at a location outside the field. In addition, impedance of passive xovers is very low, making their susceptibility to stray magnetic fields next to nil. There has to be a more convincing reason. > However, this is similar advice to that I once heard before regarding > the magnetic field generated by PSU supposedly affecting the circuits of > amps; ... The effect of which is known as 'hum'. When there is no hum, there is no such effect. Meaning, the design engineer has already taken this under consideration when placing and shielding the PS. Better save your nails for some building project. > it was recommended that one seek to draw the magnetic field away from > the internal circuit by placing a large block of iron close to the PSU. > There is such a "device" being sold, called a "flux dumper" which is a piece > of iron dressed in a smart wooden case and it costs a hell of a lot of > money! A bag of nails from the hardware store would be a much cheaper > alternative! Does this work? Why would it work? Dunno - I'm not the > engineer! ;o) It works wonders on the manufacturer's bank account :-). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ts140 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 23:18:47 2002 From: ts140 at yahoo.com (Tim S.) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:18:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20021104141747.03526b20@127.0.0.1> Looking for opinions, experiences with what goes wrong, sound quality, tape preferences, services updates, etc. thanks so much...... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Nov 5 00:36:27 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:36:27 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews - external crossovers References: <002d01c283d9$dd59ffc0$e54987d9@oemcomputer> <3DC68753.F539919A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DC7047B.4040508@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> The cited UK manufacturers Naim (and Linn in their early days) did not 'remove' the internal cross-over, they offered an upgrade route whereby one replaced it with an external *active* crossover, the Naim NAXO 2-4 or 3-6, which went between the pre-amp and the power-amps. This was not done to improve magnetic shielding or any such thing. The advantage was a tighter design to the cross-over, which only handled low level signals. You also added a separate amp channel for each speaker in the system I could imagine that each amp also saw an easier load, (although Ron will no doubt leap into his P-47 and blast me down in flames). The user was offered a real upgrade path: you started with a basic pre-amp/power amp, then upgraded the power amp, and added a separate power supply to the pre-amp. Then you would go for the active cross-over and/or replace each stereo NAP250 amp with a pair of NAP135 monoblocks. The utlimate Linn/Naim system had a NAC72 Pre-amp, two HI-Cap power supplies, a Naxo 3-6 crossover, and six NAP135 monoblocks driving a set of 'Bariks. I think that they still make the 135s, and they charge over two grand each, so this was a very serious system - but one could start for well under a grand with a NAC72/NAP140. This all made a lot of sense. I was some way down this route until I discovered electrostatics. Once I was hooked on EL's, I then discovered valve amps. Three years ago, I borrowed an old 7W per channel Rogers Cadet valve amp which blew my faithful NAC72/Hi-Cap/NAP250 out of the water. I have used valve (tube in the US) amps ever since. (Although I am tempted to get a pair of 300W MOSFET power amps to use when I am feeling like a hooligan.) John Walker, reminiscing ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti John Walker wrote: This all made a lot of sense. I was some way down this route until I discovered electrostatics. Once I was hooked on EL's, I then discovered valve amps. Three years ago, I borrowed an old 7W per channel Rogers Cadet valve amp which blew my faithful NAC72/Hi-Cap/NAP250 out of the water. I have used valve (tube in the US) amps ever since. (Although I am tempted to get a pair of 300W MOSFET power amps to use when I am feeling like a hooligan.) John Walker, reminiscing ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 5 03:13:06 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 21:13:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Hi Fi Magazines and Reviews - external crossovers References: <002d01c283d9$dd59ffc0$e54987d9@oemcomputer> <3DC68753.F539919A@rcn.com> <3DC7047B.4040508@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3DC72932.2E78F258@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > The cited UK manufacturers Naim (and Linn in their early days) did not > 'remove' the internal cross-over, they offered an upgrade route whereby > one replaced it with an external *active* crossover, the Naim NAXO 2-4 > or 3-6, which went between the pre-amp and the power-amps. This was not > done to improve magnetic shielding or any such thing. The advantage was > a tighter design to the cross-over, which only handled low level > signals. You also added a separate amp channel for each speaker in the > system I could imagine that each amp also saw an easier load, (although > Ron will no doubt leap into his P-47 and blast me down in flames). You gotta be kidding. I replaced it with an F-16 a long time ago. The main advantage of bi-amping is more than just reducing the load on each amp (which is the same as effectively increasing the power), but reducing IM distortion between low and high frequencies to zero (this is not a blast, just a clarification). Anyways, I wasn't alluding to active xovers in my previous response. These positively do not belong inside a speaker enclosure. The same is true for the various equalizing 'kubes' that come with some speakers (KEF, Bozak, etc.). -- Ron > The user was offered a real upgrade path: you started with a basic > pre-amp/power amp, then upgraded the power amp, and added a separate > power supply to the pre-amp. Then you would go for the active > cross-over and/or replace each stereo NAP250 amp with a pair of NAP135 > monoblocks. The utlimate Linn/Naim system had a NAC72 Pre-amp, two > HI-Cap power supplies, a Naxo 3-6 crossover, and six NAP135 monoblocks > driving a set of 'Bariks. I think that they still make the 135s, and > they charge over two grand each, so this was a very serious system - but > one could start for well under a grand with a NAC72/NAP140. > > This all made a lot of sense. I was some way down this route until I > discovered electrostatics. Once I was hooked on EL's, I then discovered > valve amps. Three years ago, I borrowed an old 7W per channel Rogers > Cadet valve amp which blew my faithful NAC72/Hi-Cap/NAP250 out of the > water. I have used valve (tube in the US) amps ever since. (Although I > am tempted to get a pair of 300W MOSFET power amps to use when I am > feeling like a hooligan.) > > John Walker, reminiscing ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Nov 5 07:25:43 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 08:25:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Message-ID: Howdy, In my experience with a Nakamichi CR-4, mine was an E (for distribution in Europe) it is a magnificent deck, with a nice calibration system. I bought mine new from Hyperfi in Barking for an outrageous UKS 379.00 in 1993. However, I since swopped it for a ridiculously low mileage 682ZX, with which I am equally happy. The trade had nothing to do with the CR-4's working condition. The '4 gave me no hassles at all during the many hours of joy it provided. Potentially, the only consideration when buying a CR series deck is the Sankyo manufactured mechanism, which is not quite as durable as the original Nak machanisms made in-house. The technocrats on this list will be pleased, as well as very able, to guide you in the direction of making the necessary upgrades, should and when they become necessary. Other than that, it is a machine capable of recording with extreme clarity, and should be spoilt with a diet of good chrome and metal. You should be able to locate the HI-Fi Choice performance review of this machine done when they came out in 1988. Amongst other impressive data, the frequency plot might as well have been drawn with a ruler. Regards Marc >>> ts140 at yahoo.com 11/05/02 12:18AM >>> Looking for opinions, experiences with what goes wrong, sound quality, tape preferences, services updates, etc. thanks so much...... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Any issues or service updates it may need, being that it is about 10 years old now? I believe it's direct drive --- so are their any belts in the deck at all? Does this deck suffer from OCD also? (Orange Cap Disease) Thanx in advance, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 6 12:43:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 18:43:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 References: <20021105174237.3F3BC114957@webmail.vsnl.com> <000d01c28562$4b57ce10$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <000c01c28589$bf2238e0$a61a9bca@smarzuki> In my opinion it is quite good sounding deck for playback purposes, and has that especially convenient pb trim as well as remote capable when connected to newer nak receiver. Somehow i think the deck is also good looking - a break from black naks. It is belt driven, not direct drive. No orange caps problem yet, however i did change the motor - sign of the times would be fluctuating sound (wow ?) - but that was about the only 'service' needed up to now (and new belt =). Does anybody know if the DR-1 is direct driven ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 Hi group! I just picked up a nice Cassette Deck 1 for $150 today, which I thought was a pretty good price. Anyone had experience using this deck and can give me their thoughts? Any issues or service updates it may need, being that it is about 10 years old now? I believe it's direct drive --- so are their any belts in the deck at all? Does this deck suffer from OCD also? (Orange Cap Disease) Thanx in advance, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Personaly I see only CR7 over CR4 at the third generation deck and still - CR4 has manual calibration!!! Misha >Hi >My addition to what Marc said below, >I have used a CR3 which is different only in the Motor ( Cr4 has better Direct drive motor ) and the manual calibration of Level and bias for each tape type. WHat struck me most compared to BX300/ CR7 is that the motor and circuit board all are brand new and I feel the motor will spin for good 4- 5 years or more before showing signs like that we see in older Sankyo motors. If you are keen on tweaking the circuit, CR4 is the right candidate as it does not have all those auto calibration etc how you can mod >ify the circuitry similar to earlier model or changing Caps to better ones. >I will gladly recomend CR4 to any DR series or Cassette Deck series unless somebody prefers Play back head azimuth adjustment more than recording calibration. >Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Nov 6 18:35:47 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 23:05:47 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Message-ID: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed Nov 6 19:13:22 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 20:13:22 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Hi Kannan, Thanks for the warm words! Actualy I would love for CR4 not only azimut calibration but also separate calibration for each channel! Not for each tape, I can live without it but separate channels... umm! Misha >Hi Misha >Welcome back in to the forum after almost an year of OT topics ( I loved those OT equally well due largely to the members we respect were participating) >Coming to CR4; I still do not understand why Nak stopped CR4 as it the last of the NAk decks having calibration feature. I can not think of a Nak Deck without Calibration feature as Nak meant to record like no other machine and requires calibration to iron out small differences each brand of tape you buy. >I also find Play back azimuth adjustment as a feature Nak should have when the customer is paying much more for Naks than their counterparts.My only complaint is CR4 does not have it. >CR4' DD Sankyo motor definitely achieves better quality Recording than their Belt drive mechanism; CR4 should be a machine worth your comment. >Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Nov 6 19:27:04 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:27:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK References: <20021105174237.3F3BC114957@webmail.vsnl.com> <000d01c28562$4b57ce10$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <000701c285c2$1b46a740$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK Buy it now for $30.00!! Needs new belts http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Nov 7 00:53:09 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:53:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK In-Reply-To: <000701c285c2$1b46a740$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <20021106235309.91591.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Just about what it's worth I'de say! Javier --- Roland Alford wrote: > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > Needs new belts > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 7 15:45:56 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:45:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK References: <20021106235309.91591.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> Javier Perez wrote: > > Just about what it's worth I'de say! If it didn't 'need a belt' :-). Seriously, Roland, I can't help but laugh at the 'For Sale' ads where a completely non-functional piece has a 'small, easy and cheap to fix' problem, or is said to only need a belt or some cleaning. But is sold 'as is'. I immediately wonder, how does the seller know? And, if it's really that simple, why doesn't he/she make the unit operational first? Should easily recoup the (supposedly small) cost -- and then some. Oh, well. Just venting. Good luck with your sale. -- Ron > Javier > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > > > Needs new belts > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Nov 7 16:23:46 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:23:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK In-Reply-To: <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> References: <20021106235309.91591.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1036682626.3dca8582d54ce@mail.ce.net> I agree, you buy it and find that parts are missing! Quoting Ron : > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Just about what it's worth I'de say! > > If it didn't 'need a belt' :-). > > Seriously, Roland, I can't help but laugh at the 'For > Sale' ads where a completely non-functional piece has > a 'small, easy and cheap to fix' problem, or is said > to only need a belt or some cleaning. But is sold 'as > is'. > > I immediately wonder, how does the seller know? And, > if it's really that simple, why doesn't he/she make > the unit operational first? Should easily recoup the > (supposedly small) cost -- and then some. > > Oh, well. Just venting. Good luck with your sale. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier > > > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > > > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > > > > > Needs new belts > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Nov 7 16:40:10 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:40:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK In-Reply-To: <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20021107154010.30881.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy I've got an old CTF1250 and a CT-A1 based Phase Linear 7000. I have to say. They are both impressive looking decks but the auto biasing is knocked out on the Phase and the 1250 has some other problem I can't remember. After enough troubleshooting I could probably figure them both out but with Naks and Revoxes online and working why bother! Someday I may integrate the 7000 into an all phase series 2 monster quad system but not today. At 38 and counting, a kilowatt+ sound system just doesn't have the appeal it used to. Fortunately I have not yet descended into single ended decrepitude. Javier --- Ron wrote: > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Just about what it's worth I'de say! > > If it didn't 'need a belt' :-). > > Seriously, Roland, I can't help but laugh at the > 'For > Sale' ads where a completely non-functional piece > has > a 'small, easy and cheap to fix' problem, or is said > to only need a belt or some cleaning. But is sold > 'as > is'. > > I immediately wonder, how does the seller know? And, > if it's really that simple, why doesn't he/she make > the unit operational first? Should easily recoup the > (supposedly small) cost -- and then some. > > Oh, well. Just venting. Good luck with your sale. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier > > > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > > > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > > > > > Needs new belts > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Nov 7 16:58:46 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:58:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK In-Reply-To: <1036682626.3dca8582d54ce@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <20021107155846.34241.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Yes As a general they sell only what they can't fix. There's nothing more enfuriating than buying an item advertised as "Gee it doesn't work I don't know how to fix these things" and then getting something that's clearly been gone over a couple of times by the guy. Also, a surefire way to get burned is to buy these things from sellers with female names. 99% of the time they are fronts for men. The assumption is that a woman on the other end is less likely to be trying repairs. There are exceptions though. Look at the seller's history and if most of the other things are girly items like shoes, trinkets or stuffed dolls, then they are probably on the level. I once bought an EOS 1 cameera as-is on ebay from a woman seller who claimed not to know what was wrong with it. It took me about 15 minutes to isolate a deformed mirror cocking lever and straighten it out. Now I have a fully working EOS 1!!! I did get burned by another Gal with a Leica R3. I had to spend nearly 2 days rebuilding the thing. It works great now but it looks like a war trophy. Stereos are safer though! Javier --- jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > I agree, you buy it and find that parts are missing! > > > Quoting Ron : > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Just about what it's worth I'de say! > > > > If it didn't 'need a belt' :-). > > > > Seriously, Roland, I can't help but laugh at the > 'For > > Sale' ads where a completely non-functional piece > has > > a 'small, easy and cheap to fix' problem, or is > said > > to only need a belt or some cleaning. But is sold > 'as > > is'. > > > > I immediately wonder, how does the seller know? > And, > > if it's really that simple, why doesn't he/she > make > > the unit operational first? Should easily recoup > the > > (supposedly small) cost -- and then some. > > > > Oh, well. Just venting. Good luck with your sale. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > > > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > > > > > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > > > > > > > Needs new belts > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Nov 7 16:59:28 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 07:59:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK References: <20021106235309.91591.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000f01c28676$a73c8760$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Hi Ron! It's wasn't my sale, just an item that I thought was a good value even if it were for parts. I have never used a Pioneer deck of this era, I did have a CTF-500 (or maybe 550?) which was a very basic deck back in the late 70's, and it was not bad from my recollection. This was when owning a Nakamichi for me was just a dream. Some of the knobs and other parts from these higher end decks were interchangeable and for a person looking for even one critical knob, or a set of heads for that matter, $30.00 ain't a bad price. Anyway, it's a moot point now since someone snapped it up yesterday. --Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Just about what it's worth I'de say! > > If it didn't 'need a belt' :-). > > Seriously, Roland, I can't help but laugh at the 'For > Sale' ads where a completely non-functional piece has > a 'small, easy and cheap to fix' problem, or is said > to only need a belt or some cleaning. But is sold 'as > is'. > > I immediately wonder, how does the seller know? And, > if it's really that simple, why doesn't he/she make > the unit operational first? Should easily recoup the > (supposedly small) cost -- and then some. > > Oh, well. Just venting. Good luck with your sale. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Javier > > > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > > > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > > > > > Needs new belts > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Nov 7 18:37:39 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:37:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK References: <20021106235309.91591.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001301c28684$5ecea040$dc1f2ac4@CopyTech> Not neccesarily Ron. Sometimes, like in my case, it's simply that the seller is not interested to fix it, period. And with some other components, like a mint 700 II I have, it is a matter of price: if you fix it is yours for $150.00, if I fix it, then, the price would be $450.00. So, I let the buyer decides. And last ,but no least, it's a matter of decision: if I fix it, I keep it. When you have many components needing repairs, no matter if the repairs are simple, you'll spend a fortune in shipping alone,so, I better take $150.00 than spend $300.00 in repairs and mail and at the end I will earn the same $150.00 if I sell it as is. You have to make the seller guarantee what is wrong with the machine. When I sell a component needing repairs, I simply diagnose it first and give the buyer an aprox. price of repairs. When it doesn't worth it, I simply specify "For Parts ONLY". The other problem is that people are not willing to pay what the machine cost. For example: I have an excellent 1000 ZXL with original boxes, manual and with switchable AC power 110/220. Like new. I wouldn't sell it for less than a grand, but I wouldn't pay the same amount for a similar one. I have seen that happens over and over again, specially in many audio lists. Some fellows offer you ridiculous low prices for your components but when they sell their stuff they want a fortune for it ! On the other hand, I agree with you when you say to be careful with those "needs small repairs". I'll buy it from a trusted person and not from an stranger. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Nov 7 18:17:21 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 00:17:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001401c28681$892fa760$6c299bca@smarzuki> Hi Kannan, I always wonder the minimum cost to produce the said deck - cr4 with pb trim or cr7 with manual calibration, as nak seems to charge a premium for its brand name even for 2 head DR decks. Does the largest chunk of mfg cost go to that wonderful head or to brand name ? And to bring this back off topic ... =) with current 40x burner i found myself more and more make compilation of cds - 74 mins recording all done in 6 minutes, amazing ! blanks cost 1/4 of a TDK D tape with no bias and level worries to boot ... ok ok i apoligise for the sin committed. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Hi Misha Welcome back in to the forum after almost an year of OT topics ( I loved those OT equally well due largely to the members we respect were participating) Coming to CR4; I still do not understand why Nak stopped CR4 as it the last of the NAk decks having calibration feature. I can not think of a Nak Deck without Calibration feature as Nak meant to record like no other machine and requires calibration to iron out small differences each brand of tape you buy. I also find Play back azimuth adjustment as a feature Nak should have when the customer is paying much more for Naks than their counterparts.My only complaint is CR4 does not have it. CR4' DD Sankyo motor definitely achieves better quality Recording than their Belt drive mechanism; CR4 should be a machine worth your comment. Kannan MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) wrote Hi Kannan, CR4 is much better unit than CR3! Forget about replacing caps in CR4 - all the caps there are Nichikon MUZE and I see no reason to replace them! I have both decks and no doubts that CR4 is one of the greatest deck from Nakamichi. Personaly I see only CR7 over CR4 at the third generation deck and still - CR4 has manual calibration!!! Misha >Hi >My addition to what Marc said below, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Nov 7 18:59:07 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:29:07 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Message-ID: <20021107175907.4B3F0114954@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Nov 8 00:41:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:41:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions In-Reply-To: <20021107175907.4B3F0114954@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000801c286b7$2cfb5080$36af193e@oemcomputer> > Oh I forgot ; I managed to bid on ebay and get "SIMON & Garfunkel > - Bridge oVer troubled water CD - SBM gold disc" for about 17$!!! > Kannan Bought a mint copy of the original in vinyl earlier this year ... for 50p ina garage sale! ;o) gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Nov 8 04:21:29 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 22:21:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK References: <20021106235309.91591.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCA7CA4.8C80FA38@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DCB2DB8.68E31043@snet.net> Even if it was just the belts, on the CT-F900 it is a dismal task... unbelievable mess of wiring and work to get at them. Just hope you don't accidentally snap one of the 100 wires from the barrier strips on the top of the transport frame! Ed Ron wrote: > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Just about what it's worth I'de say! > > If it didn't 'need a belt' :-). > > Seriously, Roland, I can't help but laugh at the 'For > Sale' ads where a completely non-functional piece has > a 'small, easy and cheap to fix' problem, or is said > to only need a belt or some cleaning. But is sold 'as > is'. > > I immediately wonder, how does the seller know? And, > if it's really that simple, why doesn't he/she make > the unit operational first? Should easily recoup the > (supposedly small) cost -- and then some. > > Oh, well. Just venting. Good luck with your sale. > > -- Ron > > > Javier > > > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > > PIONEER CT-F900 CASSETTE TAPE DECK > > > > > > Buy it now for $30.00!! > > > > > > Needs new belts > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1396198122 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Has anyone ever seen a Nakamichi Fidera Reel deck released in 1957? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Nov 9 09:06:55 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:06:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1: Roland Message-ID: Hi Roland, I have owned a Cassette Deck 1 since November 2000. It is a wonderful machine despite the occasional comment on its looks! As has been said already, those looks grow on you, and I personally like them now. It doesn't look much like a cassette deck really. While it's true to say that the deck is potentially better for playback than recording(due to the manual PB azimuth adjustment) this should not derogate from it's prowess as a very fine recording tool too. The early models had a Mitsubishi capstan motor, which was prone to die before long - and this has happened with me already. This is not a major hassle though. The metering is very good too (green) , and sound - wise, has all the Nakamichi virtues of powerful bass, extended clean highs, with all frequencies well integrated. Naturally, because of the PB azimuth adjustment, it is a logical choice for pre-recorded tapes, or those made on other decks. Good luck, Marc >>> roleo at telus.net 11/06/02 09:01AM >>> Hi group! I just picked up a nice Cassette Deck 1 for $150 today, which I thought was a pretty good price. Anyone had experience using this deck and can give me their thoughts? Any issues or service updates it may need, being that it is about 10 years old now? I believe it's direct drive --- so are their any belts in the deck at all? Does this deck suffer from OCD also? (Orange Cap Disease) Thanx in advance, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Both are 2-head machines, both power up but neither one plays tapes correctly. They can be had for $40 each if anyone is interested - let me know. best regards, Aaron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Nov 9 11:32:44 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 10:32:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ESLs and tube power References: <002d01c283d9$dd59ffc0$e54987d9@oemcomputer> <3DC68753.F539919A@rcn.com> <3DC7047B.4040508@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3DC70E03.232C7B59@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3DCCE44C.2090905@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Jim You are right - even though Quad is the most EL famous manufacturer, I have only ever owned US built hybrid electrostatics. It started with a pair of Acoustat Spectra IIs that I got for a bargain price in 1993. They had a pretty good sound, but a very agricultural build and appearance - solid, but ugly. I sold them four years later after our babies started to arrive, and we began to run out of space. We then moved to a bigger house, and I heard a pair of Quad ESL63s at a friend's, and that reminded me of what I was missing. So I went the whole hog, and I am now the proud owner of a pair of Martin Logan Quests. I bought these for just over two thousand pounds from a fairly wealthy London web designer who was driving them with a Sony discman and a generic low end amp. At that time, the list price in the UK was UKP5700. I cannot speak too highly of them - they are so huge and distinctive, they are the one thing that every visitor to our house has to come and see. But they also perform beautifully with a sound that I could live with forever. I guess that the Naims and the MLs just did not suit each other - Naim is noted for having a distinctive sound based on rhythm and grip, while the MLs are all about air and space. And at this point I have to give up on science, and resort to language that is appropriate to musical instruments. Anyway, the MLs really go well with valve amps, and that has led me to the delights of building my own - which is a fun pursuit itself. But the MLs would love to have more power than I can provide from SE triodes, even in pairs! John Walker - can be a fan of the US as well as a critic! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 9 16:51:50 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:51:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1: Roland References: Message-ID: <000401c28807$eb4966c0$73299bca@smarzuki> Stephen once commented that the Cass Deck 1's short signal cable from pb head to pb amp (located right behind transport cage) should make it sound 'better' than, say, CR3/4. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1: Roland Hi Roland, I have owned a Cassette Deck 1 since November 2000. It is a wonderful machine despite the occasional comment on its looks! As has been said already, those looks grow on you, and I personally like them now. It doesn't look much like a cassette deck really. While it's true to say that the deck is potentially better for playback than recording(due to the manual PB azimuth adjustment) this should not derogate from it's prowess as a very fine recording tool too. The early models had a Mitsubishi capstan motor, which was prone to die before long - and this has happened with me already. This is not a major hassle though. The metering is very good too (green) , and sound - wise, has all the Nakamichi virtues of powerful bass, extended clean highs, with all frequencies well integrated. Naturally, because of the PB azimuth adjustment, it is a logical choice for pre-recorded tapes, or those made on other decks. Good luck, Marc >>> roleo at telus.net 11/06/02 09:01AM >>> Hi group! I just picked up a nice Cassette Deck 1 for $150 today, which I thought was a pretty good price. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Nov 10 07:43:13 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 22:43:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) Message-ID: A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create the Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to the refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 10 10:17:49 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:17:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: Message-ID: <000401c2889a$22b4a380$a8199bca@smarzuki> Hi Bleus, Slightly off your topic, but imho it's better not to the Dragon ranked at all in stereophile's "most important" list - and in same league with advent 201 ! To me that's kind of an insult. Of course i'm biased - but i believe Nak decks deserves much more than that. It is fair enough to say that any landmark product that has had a strong influence to the audio industry should be included on that list - at least higher ranked than any preamplifier listed there. Although i never like Bose or B&O lifestyle systems, but they did have an impact to audio community - more than the zillion dollar Boulder phono preamp, Janis subwoofer and that tiptoe thing. Um, sorry for the rant. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: nakchatt at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com Cc: MrBleus Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create the Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to the refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml Regards, K.J. Bleus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 10 14:17:58 2002 From: fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com (Fahad Abu Al-Saud) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:17:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Recording Message-ID: <20021110131758.12733.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sir, I'm familiar with the basic techniques of recording in Dragon cassette deck. But, I always feel that there is something missing in terms of sonic performance. When, I setup the bias and level calibration to (cal) and start recording; after finishing recording. I try to test my recorded tape on other brands of cassette decks. The sound is really horrible. There is some magic touches missing in the high frequency and the mid range, and the sound becomes a bit shut-in, it doesn't sound right. Could you please, guide me to the correct way of recording on Dragon deck, in order to achieve the best sound quality when played back on other brands of decks? I want to achieve the best output sound quality, so I need someone who is really expert in this field and knows how to record on normal, chrome and metal tapes. I presume that everything is related to level and bias calibration. I know it starts from there, but I don't know where to set the meter levels for the correct amount of bias and calibration. I know that Nakamichi is the ultimate recording machine and I know that recording sounds excellent on Nakamichi decks. I hope that you can help me with this recording problem; I want to do it the proper way. I'd really appreciate it a lot if someone can guide me to the correct way. Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 10 16:27:34 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:27:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: Message-ID: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> As I was going over Stereophile's list, I felt that their choices were as much based on nostalgia as they were based on actual technical excellence. I did agree with the choice of the Dragon, the Shure V-15, the AR-3A and the Sony CDP-101 (to name a few). Each of these was a breakthrough in some way. I am not so sure about the PSB Alpha speaker, the ReVox A77, the Thorens TD-124 and others. As excellent as these products were, I do not feel they were 'the most important since 1962'. There were similar products before and since. No cutting edge technology or sonic breakthrough were offered, just the application of existing knowledge and money, to produce a temporarily 'best in class' product. Looks like Stereophile ran out of truly important products and scrambled to fill the void... -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create the Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to the refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. > > http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Nov 10 16:41:49 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:41:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording References: <20021110131758.12733.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DCE7E3D.3BD4527F@rcn.com> Others, more knowledgeable, may disagree with me, but I suspect your problem stems from the way the Dragon was designed, not from your recording technique. Assuming your Dragon is correctly calibrated (a must) and reasonable good tape, it will still sound better on a Nakamichi deck than on other deck brands, due to the non-IEC record equalization of the Dragon. I believe that only the MR1 and correctly modified CR-7 are immune to this problem. I had the same problem with my 582. Recordings made on it sounded excellent. When the same recordings were played back on a lowly Sony deck, they sounded worse than recordings made on the Sony itself. I just resolved myself to it. -- Ron Fahad Abu Al-Saud wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > I'm familiar with the basic techniques of recording in > Dragon cassette deck. But, I always feel that there is > something missing in terms of sonic performance. When, > I setup the bias and level calibration to (cal) and > start recording; after finishing recording. I try to > test my recorded tape on other brands of cassette > decks. The sound is really horrible. There is some > magic touches missing in the high frequency and the > mid range, and the sound becomes a bit shut-in, it > doesn't sound right. > > Could you please, guide me to the correct way of > recording on Dragon deck, in order to achieve the best > sound quality when played back on other brands of > decks? I want to achieve the best output sound > quality, so I need someone who is really expert in > this field and knows how to record on normal, chrome > and metal tapes. I presume that everything is related > to level and bias calibration. I know it starts from > there, but I don't know where to set the meter levels > for the correct amount of bias and calibration. I know > that Nakamichi is the ultimate recording machine and I > know that recording sounds excellent on Nakamichi > decks. I hope that you can help me with this recording > problem; I want to do it the proper way. I'd really > appreciate it a lot if someone can guide me to the > correct way. > > Regards, > > Fahad > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Nov 10 17:50:13 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:50:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DCE8E45.7090400@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron, The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates such as this one as much as anything. I do not believe that technical excellence was an important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of excellent technology can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi anyway, for reasons that you and I and the rest of this group have often debtated. For an example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be highly conventional in layout and design, but one of their greatest strengths lies in the material and construction of the cabinets. This 'passive' technology is not as impressive as some of the active devices that Nakamichi has employed over the years. Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are a triumph of technical excellence over the limitations of the cassette medium. Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a single entry that spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi component - to be an excellent and appropriate one. We might feel frustrated that this approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare technical excellence. The counter-argument is "how can you call yourself excellent when you chose to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also consider that cassette' peak of development is long past. You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. I do not believe that vinyl records belong in the same "past its best" category as cassette. Vigorous developmentof better vinyl replay products continues, albeit on a small scale. The outrageously priced Boulder phono pre-amp is one example, as are the new Rega turntables, the Kuzmi parallel tracking arm and cartridges such as the Lyra range. You also mention the TD124 and Revox A-77. John Atkinson, editor of Stereophile, is British, and was trying to give a 'world' view. These examples are a little at variance with the US experience. The Thorens TD-124 and the Revox A-77 are both European products that are de facto standards to European eyes. Nearly 400,000 Revox A-77's were built. I am a member of the Yahoo reeltoreel group, which is strongly based in the US. I know from that group that Revoxes are highly rated in the US, but never sold in great numbers there. The TD124 set the scene for the archetypal British belt drive turntable - you have the Linn Sondex at no 1 on Stereophile's list, and there were several other worthy designs that followed the same overall configuration. A few final points: 1. according to the list, the US is clearly the number one innovator, with the UK possibly second. I for one, do not have any problem with this perspective; 2. Japan only appears three times, underlining the stereotype of Japan as a copier and completer of products; 3. there are US products (Vendetta, Digital Audio Labs etc) in the list that I have *never heard of*; 4. mains filters (no 51) should not be higher than the Dragon (no 98) John Walker, looking at the big picture ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 10 18:44:23 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:44:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: Message-ID: <003901c288e0$cec05c00$1c106343@johnnyrotten> Advents first deck was Nakamichi sourced if memory serves. I believe the 201 & 201A decks were both 3M/Wollansank sourced decks. I bought both a 201 and A decks at the time and both worked well but supposedly were a service guys worst nightmare. I believe that the rec/playback head was glued in position. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: ; Cc: "MrBleus" Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create the Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to the refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. > > http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 10 18:54:25 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:54:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005f01c288e2$35701700$1c106343@johnnyrotten> So what reel to reel would you list? The A77 started many a group on the road to fame and fortune and keep many reel collectors running at the correct speed! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > > As I was going over Stereophile's list, I felt that > their choices were as much based on nostalgia as they > were based on actual technical excellence. I did agree > with the choice of the Dragon, the Shure V-15, the AR-3A > and the Sony CDP-101 (to name a few). Each of these was > a breakthrough in some way. > > I am not so sure about the PSB Alpha speaker, the ReVox > A77, the Thorens TD-124 and others. As excellent as these > products were, I do not feel they were 'the most important > since 1962'. There were similar products before and since. > No cutting edge technology or sonic breakthrough were > offered, just the application of existing knowledge and > money, to produce a temporarily 'best in class' product. > > Looks like Stereophile ran out of truly important > products and scrambled to fill the void... > > -- Ron > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create the Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to the refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml > > > > Regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! > > Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 10 20:48:25 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:48:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> <3DCE8E45.7090400@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002501c288f4$fbfc2a00$96199bca@smarzuki> Hi John, Well if the intention to raise debates then the list surely succeeds ! Anyway I believe the counter argument for cassette's 'limited medium' also applies to vinyl: Boulder etc are squeezing the last drop of it (just like Dragon) but why should it be ranked highly in 'most important since 1962' ? So many vague reasoning so I'll leave as it is - compilation of stereophile editors' favorites. Cheers, Salim SM In my earlier post I meant to say "it's better not to *see* the Dragon ranked at all", and probably gotten too emotional =) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) Ron, The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates such as this one as much as anything. I do not believe that technical excellence was an important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of excellent technology can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi anyway, for reasons that you and I and the rest of this group have often debtated. For an example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be highly conventional in layout and design, but one of their greatest strengths lies in the material and construction of the cabinets. This 'passive' technology is not as impressive as some of the active devices that Nakamichi has employed over the years. Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are a triumph of technical excellence over the limitations of the cassette medium. Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a single entry that spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi component - to be an excellent and appropriate one. We might feel frustrated that this approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare technical excellence. The counter-argument is "how can you call yourself excellent when you chose to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also consider that cassette' peak of development is long past. You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. I do not believe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Nov 10 21:10:51 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 03:10:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording References: <20021110131758.12733.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> <3DCE7E3D.3BD4527F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002601c288f5$44aabb40$96199bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron & Fahad, To my tin ear nak recorded tapes sounded quite allright when played on other decks, at least much better than pre-recorded / commercial tapes. =) Unlike other auto calibration Naks, Dragon and CR7 try to calibrate the tape by moving the *pb* head to match the record head azimuth, so probably your rec head setting is slightly off ? Once you've set the correct Dragon pb head height / azimuth, you would need to take off or unplug the NAAC to set the rec head gears, otherwise the pb head would again try to match rec head setting. With ZX9 or other auto Naks, once the pb head setting is right then rec head gets auto-aligned to match the pb head. Hope this helps. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Others, more knowledgeable, may disagree with me, but I suspect your problem stems from the way the Dragon was designed, not from your recording technique. Assuming your Dragon is correctly calibrated (a must) and reasonable good tape, it will still sound better on a Nakamichi deck than on other deck brands, due to the non-IEC record equalization of the Dragon. I believe that only the MR1 and correctly modified CR-7 are immune to this problem. I had the same problem with my 582. Recordings made on it sounded excellent. When the same recordings were played back on a lowly Sony deck, they sounded worse than recordings made on the Sony itself. I just resolved myself to it. -- Ron Fahad Abu Al-Saud wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > I'm familiar with the basic techniques of recording in > Dragon cassette deck. But, I always feel that there is > something missing in terms of sonic performance. When, > I setup the bias and level calibration to (cal) and > start recording; after finishing recording. I try to > test my recorded tape on other brands of cassette > decks. The sound is really horrible. There is some > magic touches missing in the high frequency and the > mid range, and the sound becomes a bit shut-in, it > doesn't sound right. > > Could you please, guide me to the correct way of > recording on Dragon deck, in order to achieve the best > sound quality when played back on other brands of > decks? I want to achieve the best output sound > quality, so I need someone who is really expert in > this field and knows how to record on normal, chrome > and metal tapes. I presume that everything is related > to level and bias calibration. I know it starts from > there, but I don't know where to set the meter levels > for the correct amount of bias and calibration. I know > that Nakamichi is the ultimate recording machine and I > know that recording sounds excellent on Nakamichi > decks. I hope that you can help me with this recording > problem; I want to do it the proper way. I'd really > appreciate it a lot if someone can guide me to the > correct way. > > Regards, > > Fahad > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Nov 10 21:20:13 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 12:20:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) In-Reply-To: <002501c288f4$fbfc2a00$96199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20021110202013.97732.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> That gets me thinking of one of the major issues that keeps me up at night. Why didn't they ever bother developing a one side only cassette deck that used the entire width of the tape? This would have put cc on par with vinyl and reel to reel. It wouldn't have been difficult and 1 c90 would have been good enough for one album. The closest they ever came to this was the dcc disaster of which I was a double victim! Infact even today anyone with head manufacturing facilities could produce a oneside only deck! Ageing Black Sabbath fans could play side B Javier --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi John, > > Well if the intention to raise debates then the list > surely succeeds ! > Anyway I believe the counter argument for cassette's > 'limited medium' also > applies to vinyl: Boulder etc are squeezing the > last drop of it (just like > Dragon) but why should it be ranked highly in 'most > important since 1962' ? > So many vague reasoning so I'll leave as it is - > compilation of stereophile > editors' favorites. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > In my earlier post I meant to say "it's better not > to *see* the Dragon > ranked at all", and probably gotten too emotional =) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Walker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile > Magazine Nov 2002) > > > Ron, > The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates > such as this one as > much as anything. I do not believe that technical > excellence was an > important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of > excellent technology > can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi > anyway, for reasons that > you and I and the rest of this group have often > debtated. For an > example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be > highly conventional > in layout and design, but one of their greatest > strengths lies in the > material and construction of the cabinets. This > 'passive' technology is > not as impressive as some of the active devices that > Nakamichi has > employed over the years. > > Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are > a triumph of > technical excellence over the limitations of the > cassette medium. > Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a > single entry that > spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi > component - to be an > excellent and appropriate one. We might feel > frustrated that this > approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare > technical excellence. The > counter-argument is "how can you call yourself > excellent when you chose > to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also > consider that > cassette' peak of development is long past. > > You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. > I do not believe > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Nov 10 23:43:53 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:43:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> <005f01c288e2$35701700$1c106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003001c2890a$a66ffab0$0c1f2ac4@CopyTech> There are still automated radio stations, not those digitalized ones, of course, that still running on A-77 decks. Besides, with only a call to Revox you'll find all replacement parts and service for the "iron horse", as they use to call it. The A-77 is a well deserved member on that list. Unfortunately, most Nakamichi decks, much newer than the A-77, you can not even find a replacement lid ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > So what reel to reel would you list? The A77 started many a group on the > road to fame and fortune and keep many reel collectors running at the > correct speed! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > > > > > > As I was going over Stereophile's list, I felt that > > their choices were as much based on nostalgia as they > > were based on actual technical excellence. I did agree > > with the choice of the Dragon, the Shure V-15, the AR-3A > > and the Sony CDP-101 (to name a few). Each of these was > > a breakthrough in some way. > > > > I am not so sure about the PSB Alpha speaker, the ReVox > > A77, the Thorens TD-124 and others. As excellent as these > > products were, I do not feel they were 'the most important > > since 1962'. There were similar products before and since. > > No cutting edge technology or sonic breakthrough were > > offered, just the application of existing knowledge and > > money, to produce a temporarily 'best in class' product. > > > > Looks like Stereophile ran out of truly important > > products and scrambled to fill the void... > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > > > A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue > (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette decks. > Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. > What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise > reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create the > Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to the > refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, > and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made > by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. > > > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > > > --- > > > Help keep the blues alive! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Nov 10 23:24:26 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:24:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D54@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Javier Perex wrote.. "Infact even today anyone with head manufacturing facilities could produce a oneside only deck! Ageing Black Sabbath fans could play side B" That's so funny! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 7:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) That gets me thinking of one of the major issues that keeps me up at night. Why didn't they ever bother developing a one side only cassette deck that used the entire width of the tape? This would have put cc on par with vinyl and reel to reel. It wouldn't have been difficult and 1 c90 would have been good enough for one album. The closest they ever came to this was the dcc disaster of which I was a double victim! Infact even today anyone with head manufacturing facilities could produce a oneside only deck! Ageing Black Sabbath fans could play side B Javier --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi John, > > Well if the intention to raise debates then the list > surely succeeds ! > Anyway I believe the counter argument for cassette's > 'limited medium' also > applies to vinyl: Boulder etc are squeezing the > last drop of it (just like > Dragon) but why should it be ranked highly in 'most > important since 1962' ? > So many vague reasoning so I'll leave as it is - > compilation of stereophile > editors' favorites. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > In my earlier post I meant to say "it's better not > to *see* the Dragon > ranked at all", and probably gotten too emotional =) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Walker > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile > Magazine Nov 2002) > > > Ron, > The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates > such as this one as > much as anything. I do not believe that technical > excellence was an > important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of > excellent technology > can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi > anyway, for reasons that > you and I and the rest of this group have often > debtated. For an > example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be > highly conventional > in layout and design, but one of their greatest > strengths lies in the > material and construction of the cabinets. This > 'passive' technology is > not as impressive as some of the active devices that > Nakamichi has > employed over the years. > > Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are > a triumph of > technical excellence over the limitations of the > cassette medium. > Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a > single entry that > spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi > component - to be an > excellent and appropriate one. We might feel > frustrated that this > approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare > technical excellence. The > counter-argument is "how can you call yourself > excellent when you chose > to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also > consider that > cassette' peak of development is long past. > > You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. > I do not believe > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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I have voiced my opinions about Stereophile's brand of subjective audio before. I read them for entertainment, not edification. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Ron, > The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates such as this one as > much as anything. I do not believe that technical excellence was an > important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of excellent technology > can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi anyway, for reasons that > you and I and the rest of this group have often debtated. For an > example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be highly conventional > in layout and design, but one of their greatest strengths lies in the > material and construction of the cabinets. This 'passive' technology is > not as impressive as some of the active devices that Nakamichi has > employed over the years. > > Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are a triumph of > technical excellence over the limitations of the cassette medium. > Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a single entry that > spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi component - to be an > excellent and appropriate one. We might feel frustrated that this > approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare technical excellence. The > counter-argument is "how can you call yourself excellent when you chose > to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also consider that > cassette' peak of development is long past. > > You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. I do not believe > that vinyl records belong in the same "past its best" category as > cassette. Vigorous developmentof better vinyl replay products continues, > albeit on a small scale. The outrageously priced Boulder phono pre-amp > is one example, as are the new Rega turntables, the Kuzmi parallel > tracking arm and cartridges such as the Lyra range. > > You also mention the TD124 and Revox A-77. John Atkinson, editor of > Stereophile, is British, and was trying to give a 'world' view. These > examples are a little at variance with the US experience. The Thorens > TD-124 and the Revox A-77 are both European products that are de facto > standards to European eyes. Nearly 400,000 Revox A-77's were built. I > am a member of the Yahoo reeltoreel group, which is strongly based in > the US. I know from that group that Revoxes are highly rated in the US, > but never sold in great numbers there. The TD124 set the scene for the > archetypal British belt drive turntable - you have the Linn Sondex at no > 1 on Stereophile's list, and there were several other worthy designs > that followed the same overall configuration. > > A few final points: > 1. according to the list, the US is clearly the number one innovator, > with the UK possibly second. I for one, do not have any problem with > this perspective; > 2. Japan only appears three times, underlining the stereotype of Japan > as a copier and completer of products; > 3. there are US products (Vendetta, Digital Audio Labs etc) in the list > that I have *never heard of*; > 4. mains filters (no 51) should not be higher than the Dragon (no 98) > > John Walker, looking at the big picture > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 11 02:34:23 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:34:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> <005f01c288e2$35701700$1c106343@johnnyrotten> <003001c2890a$a66ffab0$0c1f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000701c28922$77ff7940$5d106343@johnnyrotten> Go Carlos, you tell em! ;-) John Walker makes a good point that if you only looked at the US market then ReVox might be overshadowed with Teac's, Sony and others everywhere, but in the UK the machine was the A77. But after saying all that this, at the time, new audio addict was talked out of an A77 by a B&O convert at London's Studio 99. This was rectified a year later by selling the Beocord with one add in Hi-Fi News and then buying an A77 MK. II from a returning GI in the US. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > There are still automated radio stations, not those digitalized ones, of > course, that still running on A-77 decks. Besides, with only a call to Revox > you'll find all replacement parts and service for the "iron horse", as they > use to call it. The A-77 is a well deserved member on that list. > Unfortunately, most Nakamichi decks, much newer than the A-77, you can not > even find a replacement lid ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > > > > So what reel to reel would you list? The A77 started many a group on the > > road to fame and fortune and keep many reel collectors running at the > > correct speed! > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 10:27 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) > > > > > > > > > > As I was going over Stereophile's list, I felt that > > > their choices were as much based on nostalgia as they > > > were based on actual technical excellence. I did agree > > > with the choice of the Dragon, the Shure V-15, the AR-3A > > > and the Sony CDP-101 (to name a few). Each of these was > > > a breakthrough in some way. > > > > > > I am not so sure about the PSB Alpha speaker, the ReVox > > > A77, the Thorens TD-124 and others. As excellent as these > > > products were, I do not feel they were 'the most important > > > since 1962'. There were similar products before and since. > > > No cutting edge technology or sonic breakthrough were > > > offered, just the application of existing knowledge and > > > money, to produce a temporarily 'best in class' product. > > > > > > Looks like Stereophile ran out of truly important > > > products and scrambled to fill the void... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > > > > > > > A curious short note in Stereophile Magazine's 40th anniversary issue > > (Nov 2002), referring to the Advent 201 and Nakamichi Dragon cassette > decks. > > Together ranked 98th in the top important 100 audio products since 1962. > > What I'd like to know more about is how Henry Kloss combined Dolby B noise > > reduction technology with a Nakamichi cassette deck transport tp create > the > > Advent 200 cassette deck. Evidently, this research & development led to > the > > refining of the Nak Dragon cassette deck. That's indeed a curious story, > > and I'm wondering if anyone has details to substantiate the statement made > > by John Atkinson of the Stereophile writing staff. > > > > > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/contents1102.shtml > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Help keep the blues alive! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Nov 11 04:36:20 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:36:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <20021110202013.97732.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3DCF25AF.B31AB5E4@snet.net> One of the major problems with doing that was the fact that all cassette decks were licensed to Philips who invented the format (or at least owned the patents). Philips was very strict about adherence to the four track layout for many years and would not allow any variants at all. Ed Javier Perez wrote: > That gets me thinking of one of the major issues that > keeps me up at night. Why didn't they ever bother > developing a one side only cassette deck that used the > entire width of the tape? This would have put cc on > par with vinyl and reel to reel. It wouldn't have been > difficult and 1 c90 would have been good enough for > one album. The closest they ever came to this was the > dcc disaster of which I was a double victim! > > Infact even today anyone with head manufacturing > facilities could produce a oneside only deck! > Ageing Black Sabbath fans could play side B > > Javier > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi John, > > > > Well if the intention to raise debates then the list > > surely succeeds ! > > Anyway I believe the counter argument for cassette's > > 'limited medium' also > > applies to vinyl: Boulder etc are squeezing the > > last drop of it (just like > > Dragon) but why should it be ranked highly in 'most > > important since 1962' ? > > So many vague reasoning so I'll leave as it is - > > compilation of stereophile > > editors' favorites. > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > In my earlier post I meant to say "it's better not > > to *see* the Dragon > > ranked at all", and probably gotten too emotional =) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Walker > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2002 11:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile > > Magazine Nov 2002) > > > > > > Ron, > > The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates > > such as this one as > > much as anything. I do not believe that technical > > excellence was an > > important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of > > excellent technology > > can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi > > anyway, for reasons that > > you and I and the rest of this group have often > > debtated. For an > > example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be > > highly conventional > > in layout and design, but one of their greatest > > strengths lies in the > > material and construction of the cabinets. This > > 'passive' technology is > > not as impressive as some of the active devices that > > Nakamichi has > > employed over the years. > > > > Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are > > a triumph of > > technical excellence over the limitations of the > > cassette medium. > > Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a > > single entry that > > spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi > > component - to be an > > excellent and appropriate one. We might feel > > frustrated that this > > approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare > > technical excellence. The > > counter-argument is "how can you call yourself > > excellent when you chose > > to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also > > consider that > > cassette' peak of development is long past. > > > > You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. > > I do not believe > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos > http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Nov 11 04:45:05 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 22:45:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> <3DCE8E45.7090400@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3DCEFA31.4F829F14@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DCF27BC.3A44F746@snet.net> I think that the Revox A77 was something of a milestone which can not be overlooked. In many ways, this deck raised the bar on the level of performance that the medium was capable of in a package that was small enough and robust enough to serve in the field while providing truly professional results. There were reel to reel decks before the A77 certainly, and maybe one could argue why the original Magnetophone or Ampex A350 would not be considered as just as much a milestone (with the Magnetophone being the first commercial tape recorder to use AC bias to overcome tape non-linearities and make hi fi tape recording feasible). Of course then one might want to include 3M's discovery of barn red paint pigment as having suitable iron content and being incorporated into the original 111 formulation of tape. Even so, the Revox A77 pretty much single-handedly brought truly high fidelity performance in an open reel deck to the masses... something that neither of the previously mentioned models (or their successors could do). IMO, it is the open reel equivalent of the original Nak 1000. Ed Ron wrote: > The point I was (trying to) make was that some choices met the > stated criterion ('the most important since 1962'), while some > others were not important at all. I didn't denigrate the latter, > just noted their 'unimportantness' :-). > > 'Important', to me, would mean a piece of equipment that served > as a milestone -- sonically or technically. > > I suggested the list should have been titled 'The most nostalgic > equipment since 1962'. I also think Salim's title, 'John > Atkinson's most favorite equipment' hit the spot as well. > > Never mind... I have voiced my opinions about Stereophile's > brand of subjective audio before. I read them for entertainment, > not edification. > > -- Ron > > John Walker wrote: > > > > Ron, > > The whole exercise was aimed at sparking debates such as this one as > > much as anything. I do not believe that technical excellence was an > > important issue to Stereophile. The contribution of excellent technology > > can be very hard to judge with 'high end' Hi-Fi anyway, for reasons that > > you and I and the rest of this group have often debtated. For an > > example, consider Wilson speakers. They look to be highly conventional > > in layout and design, but one of their greatest strengths lies in the > > material and construction of the cabinets. This 'passive' technology is > > not as impressive as some of the active devices that Nakamichi has > > employed over the years. > > > > Nakamichi cassette decks, in Stereophile's view, are a triumph of > > technical excellence over the limitations of the cassette medium. > > Consequently, I feel that Stereophile's approach - a single entry that > > spans the arc of the cassette deck as Hi-Fi component - to be an > > excellent and appropriate one. We might feel frustrated that this > > approach fails to recognise Nakamichi's rare technical excellence. The > > counter-argument is "how can you call yourself excellent when you chose > > to work in such a limited medium?" And we must also consider that > > cassette' peak of development is long past. > > > > You know that I am not afraid of controversy either. I do not believe > > that vinyl records belong in the same "past its best" category as > > cassette. Vigorous developmentof better vinyl replay products continues, > > albeit on a small scale. The outrageously priced Boulder phono pre-amp > > is one example, as are the new Rega turntables, the Kuzmi parallel > > tracking arm and cartridges such as the Lyra range. > > > > You also mention the TD124 and Revox A-77. John Atkinson, editor of > > Stereophile, is British, and was trying to give a 'world' view. These > > examples are a little at variance with the US experience. The Thorens > > TD-124 and the Revox A-77 are both European products that are de facto > > standards to European eyes. Nearly 400,000 Revox A-77's were built. I > > am a member of the Yahoo reeltoreel group, which is strongly based in > > the US. I know from that group that Revoxes are highly rated in the US, > > but never sold in great numbers there. The TD124 set the scene for the > > archetypal British belt drive turntable - you have the Linn Sondex at no > > 1 on Stereophile's list, and there were several other worthy designs > > that followed the same overall configuration. > > > > A few final points: > > 1. according to the list, the US is clearly the number one innovator, > > with the UK possibly second. I for one, do not have any problem with > > this perspective; > > 2. Japan only appears three times, underlining the stereotype of Japan > > as a copier and completer of products; > > 3. there are US products (Vendetta, Digital Audio Labs etc) in the list > > that I have *never heard of*; > > 4. mains filters (no 51) should not be higher than the Dragon (no 98) > > > > John Walker, looking at the big picture > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 11 05:55:33 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 15:55:33 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II brochure. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D5F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all. I have a color brochure of the High Com II unit that I found while I was going through my stuff. Would anyone on the list like me to scan it (in full color) and send a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Nov 11 13:25:28 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 07:25:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II brochure & Marathon Tape Message-ID: Hello Tom, What a time for me to get re-subscribed to Naktalk. The Anderson University e-mail system had a problem a week and a half ago, which resulted in me being un-subscribed from Naktalk (our system started bouncing all incoming e-mails, therefore Naktalk took that to mean my e-mail account no longer existed, so my address was deleted from the subscriber list). Yes, I would like to have a scanned copy of the High Com II brochure e-mailed to me. Hope we don't have any more problems with bouncing all the incoming traffic. Also, has there been any more discussion of the fate of the Marathon Tape in the last 10 to 14 days? I waited until it looked definite there would not be any more e-mail reception problems before re-subscribing to Naktalk. Of course, I missed out on all the other topics discussed during the "disconnected" time. So is life. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 11/10/02 11:55PM >>> Howdy all. I have a color brochure of the High Com II unit that I found while I was going through my stuff. Would anyone on the list like me to scan it (in full color) and send a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 11 15:50:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:50:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> <3DCE8E45.7090400@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3DCEFA31.4F829F14@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002001c28991$b489fb00$751f2ac4@CopyTech> Ron: I don't even remember when was the last time I read all the BS in Stereophile. Not even for amusement ! Ha ! Carlos > Never mind... I have voiced my opinions about Stereophile's > brand of subjective audio before. I read them for entertainment, > not edification. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 11 15:57:09 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:57:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon (Stereophile Magazine Nov 2002) References: <3DCE7AE6.E4076CDF@rcn.com> <3DCE8E45.7090400@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3DCEFA31.4F829F14@rcn.com> <3DCF27BC.3A44F746@snet.net> Message-ID: <002e01c28992$a2687360$751f2ac4@CopyTech> Ed: IN those days, having an A-77 was equivalent to have a Nak 1000, as you says. But, the A-77 was more expensive than its jap counterparts. That's why it was soon adapted to broadcast applications instead of domestic. Anyway, I assure you that Revox contribution to the domestic audio were far more than simply "nostalgia" and the A-77 was an example of it. IMO, it > is the open reel equivalent of the original Nak 1000. > > Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Nov 11 16:03:33 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:03:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II brochure & Marathon Tape References: Message-ID: <004601c28993$819bbba0$751f2ac4@CopyTech> Kent: The marathon tape is in my hands, but since this time of the year is so busy with masterings, I'm trying to find some free time this week to finally make the compilation. So, I'll keep you posted. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] High Com II brochure & Marathon Tape Hello Tom, What a time for me to get re-subscribed to Naktalk. The Anderson University e-mail system had a problem a week and a half ago, which resulted in me being un-subscribed from Naktalk (our system started bouncing all incoming e-mails, therefore Naktalk took that to mean my e-mail account no longer existed, so my address was deleted from the subscriber list). Yes, I would like to have a scanned copy of the High Com II brochure e-mailed to me. Hope we don't have any more problems with bouncing all the incoming traffic. Also, has there been any more discussion of the fate of the Marathon Tape in the last 10 to 14 days? I waited until it looked definite there would not be any more e-mail reception problems before re-subscribing to Naktalk. Of course, I missed out on all the other topics discussed during the "disconnected" time. So is life. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 11/10/02 11:55PM >>> Howdy all. I have a color brochure of the High Com II unit that I found while I was going through my stuff. Would anyone on the list like me to scan it (in full color) and send a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 11 22:06:35 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 08:06:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II brochure & Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> No worries Kent, I'll shall send you a copy once I've scanned in the brochure. I think Carlos has given you the latest regarding the marathon tape. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 11:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] High Com II brochure & Marathon Tape Hello Tom, What a time for me to get re-subscribed to Naktalk. The Anderson University e-mail system had a problem a week and a half ago, which resulted in me being un-subscribed from Naktalk (our system started bouncing all incoming e-mails, therefore Naktalk took that to mean my e-mail account no longer existed, so my address was deleted from the subscriber list). Yes, I would like to have a scanned copy of the High Com II brochure e-mailed to me. Hope we don't have any more problems with bouncing all the incoming traffic. Also, has there been any more discussion of the fate of the Marathon Tape in the last 10 to 14 days? I waited until it looked definite there would not be any more e-mail reception problems before re-subscribing to Naktalk. Of course, I missed out on all the other topics discussed during the "disconnected" time. So is life. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 11/10/02 11:55PM >>> Howdy all. I have a color brochure of the High Com II unit that I found while I was going through my stuff. Would anyone on the list like me to scan it (in full color) and send a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Nov 11 22:55:31 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:55:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC : STAX SR-X MARK 3's For Sale Message-ID: <015601c289cd$0e225ff0$42106343@johnnyrotten> After a clear out of our utility room I have finally located my STAX SRD-7 Headphone/Speaker energizer box. So STAX SR-X MARK 3 Headphones and SRD-7 (100 volt 50/60 Hz.) unit are for sale. I bought these new many, many years ago. 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Carlos did fill me in on the status of the Marathon Tape. Thanks again! Best regards, Kent >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 11/11/02 04:06PM >>> No worries Kent, I'll shall send you a copy once I've scanned in the brochure. I think Carlos has given you the latest regarding the marathon tape. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 11:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] High Com II brochure & Marathon Tape Hello Tom, What a time for me to get re-subscribed to Naktalk. The Anderson University e-mail system had a problem a week and a half ago, which resulted in me being un-subscribed from Naktalk (our system started bouncing all incoming e-mails, therefore Naktalk took that to mean my e-mail account no longer existed, so my address was deleted from the subscriber list). Yes, I would like to have a scanned copy of the High Com II brochure e-mailed to me. Hope we don't have any more problems with bouncing all the incoming traffic. Also, has there been any more discussion of the fate of the Marathon Tape in the last 10 to 14 days? I waited until it looked definite there would not be any more e-mail reception problems before re-subscribing to Naktalk. Of course, I missed out on all the other topics discussed during the "disconnected" time. So is life. Best regards, Kent Merideth >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 11/10/02 11:55PM >>> Howdy all. I have a color brochure of the High Com II unit that I found while I was going through my stuff. Would anyone on the list like me to scan it (in full color) and send a copy? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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To start using your eBay account fully, please update and verify your information by clicking below : https://scgi.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?VerifyInformation Regards, eBay ***Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not Receive A Response*** Clicking on the link takes you to http://tron.phpwebhosting.com/, that asks you to register, including you ebay password. I found that suspicious, so I went directly to ebay, only to find that my account was in good standing. I hope this is a mistake, but doubt it... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Nov 12 22:27:35 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:27:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D6A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks for the tip Ron. Tom Siomoopulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, 13 November 2002 5:54 To: NakTalk Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert Today I received the following email: Dear eBay User, During our regular update and verification of the accounts, we couldn't verify your current information. Either your information has changed or it is incomplete. As a result, your access to bid or buy on eBay has been restricted. To start using your eBay account fully, please update and verify your information by clicking below : https://scgi.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?VerifyInformation Regards, eBay ***Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not Receive A Response*** Clicking on the link takes you to http://tron.phpwebhosting.com/, that asks you to register, including you ebay password. I found that suspicious, so I went directly to ebay, only to find that my account was in good standing. I hope this is a mistake, but doubt it... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert > > Today I received the following email: > > Dear eBay User, > > During our regular update and verification of the accounts, > we couldn't verify your current information. Either your > information has changed or it is incomplete. > > As a result, your access to bid or buy on eBay has been > restricted. To start using your eBay account fully, please > update and verify your information by clicking below : > > https://scgi.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?VerifyInformation > > Regards, > eBay > > ***Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not > Receive A Response*** > > Clicking on the link takes you to http://tron.phpwebhosting.com/, > that > asks you to register, including you ebay password. I found that > suspicious, so I went directly to ebay, only to find that my account > was in good standing. > > I hope this is a mistake, but doubt it... > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 13 01:03:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:03:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert In-Reply-To: <00e601c28a9e$d5eead50$6b106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000001c28aa8$16981680$a2b8193e@oemcomputer> I'm feeling left out .... no one wants to rob me ... .... except all those guys "in Africa" whose Daddy/boss/husband has been assassinated and the survivor wants help to get several billion $s out of the country ... Must get at least 6 or more of those every week ... G > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 12 November 2002 22:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > Ditto here. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:53 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > > > Today I received the following email: > > > > Dear eBay User, > > > > During our regular update and verification of the accounts, > > we couldn't verify your current information. Either your > > information has changed or it is incomplete. > > > > As a result, your access to bid or buy on eBay has been > > restricted. To start using your eBay account fully, please > > update and verify your information by clicking below : > > > > https://scgi.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?VerifyInformation > > > > Regards, > > eBay > > > > ***Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not > > Receive A Response*** > > > > Clicking on the link takes you to http://tron.phpwebhosting.com/, > > that > > asks you to register, including you ebay password. I found that > > suspicious, so I went directly to ebay, only to find that my account > > was in good standing. > > > > I hope this is a mistake, but doubt it... > > > > -- Ron > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Nov 13 14:06:08 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:06:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert References: <000001c28aa8$16981680$a2b8193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001301c28b15$6f766780$83299bca@smarzuki> Gra, don't worry, I'll be there when you need a rob =) I still can't figure out how those kids/soldier/widow plan to scam us - through credit card numbers or do they really expect us to fly there ? But i like their optimistic thinking .... SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scam alert I'm feeling left out .... no one wants to rob me ... .... except all those guys "in Africa" whose Daddy/boss/husband has been assassinated and the survivor wants help to get several billion $s out of the country ... Must get at least 6 or more of those every week ... G > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 12 November 2002 22:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > Ditto here. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 13 02:20:55 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:20:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert References: <000001c28aa8$16981680$a2b8193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002901c28ab2$ea8dab80$6b106343@johnnyrotten> I've got a bridge I could sell you! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scam alert > I'm feeling left out .... no one wants to rob me ... > > .... except all those guys "in Africa" whose Daddy/boss/husband has been > assassinated and the survivor wants help to get several billion $s out of > the country ... Must get at least 6 or more of those every week ... > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 12 November 2002 22:57 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > > > Ditto here. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 1:53 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > > > > > > > Today I received the following email: > > > > > > Dear eBay User, > > > > > > During our regular update and verification of the accounts, > > > we couldn't verify your current information. Either your > > > information has changed or it is incomplete. > > > > > > As a result, your access to bid or buy on eBay has been > > > restricted. To start using your eBay account fully, please > > > update and verify your information by clicking below : > > > > > > https://scgi.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?VerifyInformation > > > > > > Regards, > > > eBay > > > > > > ***Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not > > > Receive A Response*** > > > > > > Clicking on the link takes you to http://tron.phpwebhosting.com/, > > > that > > > asks you to register, including you ebay password. I found that > > > suspicious, so I went directly to ebay, only to find that my account > > > was in good standing. > > > > > > I hope this is a mistake, but doubt it... > > > > > > -- Ron > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Nov 13 04:38:58 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:38:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert References: <000001c28aa8$16981680$a2b8193e@oemcomputer> <001301c28b15$6f766780$83299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3DD1C952.CD5F013E@rcn.com> They usually try to get you to send your bank account number, with authorization to deposit. If you do, they will clean out the account and disappear. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Gra, don't worry, I'll be there when you need a rob =) > > I still can't figure out how those kids/soldier/widow plan to scam us - > through credit card numbers or do they really expect us to fly there ? But > i like their optimistic thinking .... > > SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scam alert > > I'm feeling left out .... no one wants to rob me ... > > .... except all those guys "in Africa" whose Daddy/boss/husband has been > assassinated and the survivor wants help to get several billion $s out of > the country ... Must get at least 6 or more of those every week ... > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 12 November 2002 22:57 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > > > Ditto here. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 13 04:48:23 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:48:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert References: <000001c28aa8$16981680$a2b8193e@oemcomputer> <001301c28b15$6f766780$83299bca@smarzuki> <3DD1C952.CD5F013E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DD1CB84.40395285@snet.net> I've received a few of these types of notices... especially the ones noting a need to update your account info. Ditto for PayPal... think about it! The tip-off is if you wait for a day or two and then try to access the link provided. Chances are the address is dead by then as the word gets out. Ed Ron wrote: > They usually try to get you to send your bank account > number, with authorization to deposit. If you do, they > will clean out the account and disappear. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Gra, don't worry, I'll be there when you need a rob =) > > > > I still can't figure out how those kids/soldier/widow plan to scam us - > > through credit card numbers or do they really expect us to fly there ? But > > i like their optimistic thinking .... > > > > SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Graham Nelson > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:03 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > I'm feeling left out .... no one wants to rob me ... > > > > .... except all those guys "in Africa" whose Daddy/boss/husband has been > > assassinated and the survivor wants help to get several billion $s out of > > the country ... Must get at least 6 or more of those every week ... > > > > G > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > John M. Tooley > > > Sent: 12 November 2002 22:57 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > > > > > > Ditto here. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Nov 13 09:01:49 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 08:01:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Scam alert In-Reply-To: <001301c28b15$6f766780$83299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000101c28aea$eb62db60$a2b8193e@oemcomputer> How it works is they string you along for a while and then tell you there is a problem and they need some money to bribe their way past some official or other (there are other variants.) I believe there are various ways by which they then persuade you to pay THEM some money! The worst of these is to meet "them" at some location in London, with the money you will give to help oil that sticking wheel, where at is waiting someone with a cosh! These are mass mailings and there are enough people out there to be foolish enough to make this scam a nice little earner for the organised gangs running them. G > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 13 November 2002 13:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > Gra, don't worry, I'll be there when you need a rob =) > > I still can't figure out how those kids/soldier/widow plan to scam us - > through credit card numbers or do they really expect us to fly > there ? But > i like their optimistic thinking .... > > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 7:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > I'm feeling left out .... no one wants to rob me ... > > .... except all those guys "in Africa" whose Daddy/boss/husband has been > assassinated and the survivor wants help to get several billion $s out of > the country ... Must get at least 6 or more of those every week ... > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 12 November 2002 22:57 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Scam alert > > > > > > Ditto here. > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From netincome at boxfrog.com Thu Nov 14 03:49:09 2002 From: netincome at boxfrog.com (Mark) Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:49:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not for whiners! Only Doers... Message-ID: <200211140224.DAA13533@zebra.naks.com> Straight to the point no B.S. , you want $12,522? You don't want to Recruit, Sponsor, all that stuff Right? Me either! That's why a true friend showed me what I needed to know ( if you could use $12,522 that is, who can't ) This is 100% guaranteed, 100% legal, this is NOT get rich FREE!! This is for serious folks who want a chance to increase their savings. Initial one time outlay is 199$ US. Get back $12,522 it's that simple. Don't believe me , I don't care if you lose out on this Chance! Don't worry you won't get any SPAM or any Crap from me , so don't bother removing yourself. This is a One Time Real chance for you to get in NOW! Get in now by replying with " YES" in the subject line or lose out by simply not replying. Have a great life! I know I am. No Hype CoOrdinator. uvnemvvimyvxjmnkkyadkevkknblyc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Nov 14 14:27:34 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 08:27:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Not for whiners! Only Doers... References: <200211140224.DAA13533@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3DD3A4C6.3DB6EAD3@rcn.com> Wouter, please remove this spammer from the list. TIA, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 15 15:47:12 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:47:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DD508F0.89E53C0@rcn.com> I wonder if the CR-4 capstan motor would fit in a CR-7. Looking at the pictures, the motors look very similar. but, of course, small differences could make the swap impossible. Has anyone tried this? -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Hi Misha > Welcome back in to the forum after almost an year of OT topics ( I loved those OT equally well due largely to the members we respect were participating) > Coming to CR4; I still do not understand why Nak stopped CR4 as it the last of the NAk decks having calibration feature. I can not think of a Nak Deck without Calibration feature as Nak meant to record like no other machine and requires calibration to iron out small differences each brand of tape you buy. > I also find Play back azimuth adjustment as a feature Nak should have when the customer is paying much more for Naks than their counterparts.My only complaint is CR4 does not have it. > CR4' DD Sankyo motor definitely achieves better quality Recording than their Belt drive mechanism; CR4 should be a machine worth your comment. > Kannan > > MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) > wrote > Hi Kannan, > > CR4 is much better unit than CR3! Forget about replacing caps in CR4 - > all the caps there are Nichikon MUZE and I see no reason to replace them! > I have both decks and no doubts that CR4 is one of the greatest deck > from Nakamichi. Personaly I see only CR7 over CR4 at the third generation > deck and still - CR4 has manual calibration!!! > > Misha > > >Hi > >My addition to what Marc said below, > >I have used a CR3 which is different only in the Motor ( Cr4 has better > Direct drive motor ) and the manual calibration of Level and bias for each > tape type. WHat struck me most compared to BX300/ CR7 is that the > motor and circuit board all are brand new and I feel the motor will spin for > good 4- 5 years or more before showing signs like that we see in older > Sankyo motors. If you are keen on tweaking the circuit, CR4 is the right > candidate as it does not have all those auto calibration etc how you can mod > >ify the circuitry similar to earlier model or changing Caps to better ones. > >I will gladly recomend CR4 to any DR series or Cassette Deck series > unless somebody prefers Play back head azimuth adjustment more than > recording calibration. > >Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Nov 15 16:55:23 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 21:25:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] akannan@usc.edu Message-ID: <20021115155523.DC23111493B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 16 05:40:20 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:40:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <3DD508F0.89E53C0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c28d2a$45e566c0$77299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Quoting the manuals - the capstans have similar part numbers: 0C81429A for supply flywheel and 0C81427A for take-up flywheel. I haven't tried swapping them yet but seems like newer Sankyos use uniform transport between DDs or belt drives. Finding correct take-up flywheel for Dragon is not as fun though, I learned out the hard way that they came in various sizes ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions I wonder if the CR-4 capstan motor would fit in a CR-7. Looking at the pictures, the motors look very similar. but, of course, small differences could make the swap impossible. Has anyone tried this? -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Hi Misha > Welcome back in to the forum after almost an year of OT topics ( I loved those OT equally well due largely to the members we respect were participating) > Coming to CR4; I still do not understand why Nak stopped CR4 as it the last of the NAk decks having calibration feature. I can not think of a Nak Deck without Calibration feature as Nak meant to record like no other machine and requires calibration to iron out small differences each brand of tape you buy. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Nov 15 19:17:21 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 23:47:21 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4/CR7 motor issues Message-ID: <20021115181721.58C00114943@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 16 07:21:51 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 13:21:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] akannan@usc.edu References: <20021115155523.DC23111493B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000401c28d38$73f02c40$77299bca@smarzuki> Ooops sorry ! I thought you meant the flywheels. ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] akannan at usc.edu Ron The motor ( by removing two screws in the front from the frame you can even remove the motor part from the frame Here the pinch rollars and head mount etc does not come off) is same. You have to remove the motor part alone to save time of fixing large number parts on to this frame if you want to switch without removing the motor part alone. I was lucky to strip one BX300 motor out of its frame to check it! Better look at the Gear mod pdf file which shows the innards of the mechanism Kannan ra.ah at rcn.com wrote I wonder if the CR-4 capstan motor would fit in a CR-7. Looking at the pictures, the motors look very similar. but, of course, small differences could make the swap impossible. Has anyone tried this? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Nov 15 20:59:29 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 01:29:29 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR4 motor issue Message-ID: <20021115195929.C89BD114940@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 15 21:41:24 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 15:41:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <3DD508F0.89E53C0@rcn.com> <000401c28d2a$45e566c0$77299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <009c01c28ce7$5d31e440$90106343@johnnyrotten> Salem, Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > Hi Ron, > > Quoting the manuals - the capstans have similar part numbers: 0C81429A for > supply flywheel and 0C81427A for take-up flywheel. I haven't tried swapping > them yet but seems like newer Sankyos use uniform transport between DDs or > belt drives. > > Finding correct take-up flywheel for Dragon is not as fun though, I learned > out the hard way that they came in various sizes ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > I wonder if the CR-4 capstan motor would fit in a CR-7. > Looking at the pictures, the motors look very similar. > but, of course, small differences could make the swap > impossible. Has anyone tried this? > > -- Ron > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > > > Hi Misha > > Welcome back in to the forum after almost an year of OT topics ( I loved > those OT equally well due largely to the members we respect were > participating) > > Coming to CR4; I still do not understand why Nak stopped CR4 as it the > last of the NAk decks having calibration feature. I can not think of a Nak > Deck without Calibration feature as Nak meant to record like no other > machine and requires calibration to iron out small differences each brand of > tape you buy. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 16 04:40:54 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 22:40:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR4 motor issue References: <20021115195929.C89BD114940@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DD5BE46.1256E74@rcn.com> Thanks much. I was thinking of buying a CR-4, just to use as spare parts for my CR-7. I figured that if it gives me the transport (or even just the capstan motor) and the heads, it will be worth it. Of course, there are many more parts, such as bulbs, connectors and various electronics parts off the PCBs. The trick is to find a CR-4 in good mechanical condition (cosmetics don't matter) for $150-$200. -- Ron kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > Here we are talking about replacing both the flywheel as well as the hub with bearing for the Drive shafts. Ofcourse it means also the motor drive PCB as well to make sure the entire electrical as well mechanical parts are transplanted to get the maximum benefit. > > I had found lot of crap inside the bore of the Bearing housing and on the sleeve bearing surface - much more than what you find on the shaft! Better change the entire part. > Kannan > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > Ooops sorry ! I thought you meant the flywheels. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:55 PM > Subject: [naktalk] akannan at usc.edu > > Ron > The motor ( by removing two screws in the front from the frame you can even > remove the motor part from the frame Here the pinch rollars and head mount > etc does not come off) is same. > You have to remove the motor part alone to save time of fixing large number > parts on to this frame if you want to switch without removing the motor part > alone. > I was lucky to strip one BX300 motor out of its frame to check it! > Better look at the Gear mod pdf file which shows the innards of the > mechanism > Kannan > ra.ah at rcn.com wrote > > I wonder if the CR-4 capstan motor would fit in a CR-7. > Looking at the pictures, the motors look very similar. > but, of course, small differences could make the swap > impossible. Has anyone tried this? > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 16 16:14:05 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:14:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <3DD508F0.89E53C0@rcn.com> <000401c28d2a$45e566c0$77299bca@smarzuki> <009c01c28ce7$5d31e440$90106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000001c28d87$b73c9f20$971a9bca@smarzuki> Sorry John, no ideas on how to get those extra rare parts other than from other deck. Somebody bought 700 for parts from ebay sometime ago ? Kannan and of course Stephen may have better ideas. By the way which glass lens do you need - the matte one covering meters ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Salem, Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Nov 16 06:00:28 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:30:28 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions Message-ID: <20021116050028.7DC7C11496E@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 16 09:58:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 08:58:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <20021116050028.7DC7C11496E@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001401c28d4e$56c03dc0$7ffa193e@oemcomputer> It's always worth contacting Bowers & Wilkins (and presumably any Nak service centre) because their stock of 2nd hand spare parts changes all the time, with every unrepairable unit that is sent to them. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: 16 November 2002 05:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > Salim > It is literally impossible to get parts for 700ZXL - particularly > when it is a mechanical part of the cabinet and not a part of the > main mechanism. So John should look for such parts from another > non working machine. Infact somebody from Nederland asked me > about spare parts - I am not in position to help anybody as my > Japanese source stopped the flow of parts saying that they will > not deal with individuals! This was an year ago. > I also find Nak US site does not give any telephone number for > parts - Did anybody notice? > I stocked few important parts earlier for my CR7 and Dragon - and > hope for the best in the coming years. > Kannan > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > Sorry John, no ideas on how to get those extra rare parts other than from > other deck. > > Somebody bought 700 for parts from ebay sometime ago ? Kannan > and of course > Stephen may have better ideas. By the way which glass lens do you need - > the matte one covering meters ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > Salem, > > Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Nov 16 17:43:18 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 11:43:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 opinions References: <20021106173547.ED824114916@webmail.vsnl.com> <3DD508F0.89E53C0@rcn.com> <000401c28d2a$45e566c0$77299bca@smarzuki> <009c01c28ce7$5d31e440$90106343@johnnyrotten> <000001c28d87$b73c9f20$971a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001f01c28d8f$44c1da70$40116343@johnnyrotten> Yes I bothered Kannan and Stephen and yes the long lens that covers meters. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > Sorry John, no ideas on how to get those extra rare parts other than from > other deck. > > Somebody bought 700 for parts from ebay sometime ago ? Kannan and of course > Stephen may have better ideas. By the way which glass lens do you need - > the matte one covering meters ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > Salem, > > Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Nov 16 18:05:30 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 12:05:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL References: <001401c28d4e$56c03dc0$7ffa193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005001c28d92$5e5f22f0$40116343@johnnyrotten> Good point Graham, what is the web address of B&W in Sussex, do you remember? Cheers cock, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700ZXL > It's always worth contacting Bowers & Wilkins (and presumably any Nak > service centre) because their stock of 2nd hand spare parts changes all the > time, with every unrepairable unit that is sent to them. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > Sent: 16 November 2002 05:00 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > > > Salim > > It is literally impossible to get parts for 700ZXL - particularly > > when it is a mechanical part of the cabinet and not a part of the > > main mechanism. So John should look for such parts from another > > non working machine. Infact somebody from Nederland asked me > > about spare parts - I am not in position to help anybody as my > > Japanese source stopped the flow of parts saying that they will > > not deal with individuals! This was an year ago. > > I also find Nak US site does not give any telephone number for > > parts - Did anybody notice? > > I stocked few important parts earlier for my CR7 and Dragon - and > > hope for the best in the coming years. > > Kannan > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > > > Sorry John, no ideas on how to get those extra rare parts other than from > > other deck. > > > > Somebody bought 700 for parts from ebay sometime ago ? Kannan > > and of course > > Stephen may have better ideas. By the way which glass lens do you need - > > the matte one covering meters ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John M. Tooley > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > > > Salem, > > > > Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 16 19:13:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 18:13:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL In-Reply-To: <005001c28d92$5e5f22f0$40116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000d01c28d9b$ecc9f160$2bf9193e@oemcomputer> Hi John Can't recall the e-mail but here's the link to their site where the e-mail should be hiding somewhere .... http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv .... however, in my experience they can be a little tardy in responding to e-mails. Stop press!! Just remembered, I DO have an e-mail for one of the family at the business ... Paul Wilkins: paul at bowersandwilkins.co.uk There's useful, guys!!! (Parcel coming to you v. soon, John. Sorry for the delay.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 16 November 2002 17:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXL > > > Good point Graham, what is the web address of B&W in Sussex, do you > remember? > > Cheers cock, > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:58 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700ZXL > > > > It's always worth contacting Bowers & Wilkins (and presumably any Nak > > service centre) because their stock of 2nd hand spare parts changes all > the > > time, with every unrepairable unit that is sent to them. > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > Sent: 16 November 2002 05:00 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > It is literally impossible to get parts for 700ZXL - particularly > > > when it is a mechanical part of the cabinet and not a part of the > > > main mechanism. So John should look for such parts from another > > > non working machine. Infact somebody from Nederland asked me > > > about spare parts - I am not in position to help anybody as my > > > Japanese source stopped the flow of parts saying that they will > > > not deal with individuals! This was an year ago. > > > I also find Nak US site does not give any telephone number for > > > parts - Did anybody notice? > > > I stocked few important parts earlier for my CR7 and Dragon - and > > > hope for the best in the coming years. > > > Kannan > > > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > > > > > Sorry John, no ideas on how to get those extra rare parts other than > from > > > other deck. > > > > > > Somebody bought 700 for parts from ebay sometime ago ? Kannan > > > and of course > > > Stephen may have better ideas. By the way which glass lens do you > need - > > > the matte one covering meters ? > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: John M. Tooley > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > > > > > > Salem, > > > > > > Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Nov 17 19:58:24 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:58:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXL References: <000d01c28d9b$ecc9f160$2bf9193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00b001c28e6b$4ecb8200$5e116343@johnnyrotten> Thank you Graham. I just emailed Paul Wilkins. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700ZXL > Hi John > > Can't recall the e-mail but here's the link to their site where the e-mail > should be hiding somewhere .... > > http://www.bowersandwilkins.co.uk/nakamichi/home.htmv > > .... however, in my experience they can be a little tardy in responding to > e-mails. > > Stop press!! Just remembered, I DO have an e-mail for one of the family at > the business ... > > Paul Wilkins: paul at bowersandwilkins.co.uk > > There's useful, guys!!! > > (Parcel coming to you v. soon, John. Sorry for the delay.) > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 16 November 2002 17:06 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXL > > > > > > Good point Graham, what is the web address of B&W in Sussex, do you > > remember? > > > > Cheers cock, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:58 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700ZXL > > > > > > > It's always worth contacting Bowers & Wilkins (and presumably any Nak > > > service centre) because their stock of 2nd hand spare parts changes all > > the > > > time, with every unrepairable unit that is sent to them. > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > kannan_s at vsnl.com > > > > Sent: 16 November 2002 05:00 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim > > > > It is literally impossible to get parts for 700ZXL - particularly > > > > when it is a mechanical part of the cabinet and not a part of the > > > > main mechanism. So John should look for such parts from another > > > > non working machine. Infact somebody from Nederland asked me > > > > about spare parts - I am not in position to help anybody as my > > > > Japanese source stopped the flow of parts saying that they will > > > > not deal with individuals! This was an year ago. > > > > I also find Nak US site does not give any telephone number for > > > > parts - Did anybody notice? > > > > I stocked few important parts earlier for my CR7 and Dragon - and > > > > hope for the best in the coming years. > > > > Kannan > > > > > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote > > > > > > > > Sorry John, no ideas on how to get those extra rare parts other than > > from > > > > other deck. > > > > > > > > Somebody bought 700 for parts from ebay sometime ago ? Kannan > > > > and of course > > > > Stephen may have better ideas. By the way which glass lens do you > > need - > > > > the matte one covering meters ? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: John M. Tooley > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 3:41 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR4 opinions > > > > > > > > > > > > Salem, > > > > > > > > Any ideas on a source for a ZXL 700 glass lens? > > > > > > > > John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Salim Marzuki" smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 15/10/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Nov 18 16:06:12 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:06:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Interessanter Artikel bei eBay Deutschland Message-ID: <200211181506.gAIF6Crq010176@mx6.sjc.ebay.com> Artikelnummer 802220163: Nakamichi T100 audio Analyzer Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 07:06:12 PST I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. Artikelbezeichnung: Nakamichi T100 audio Analyzer Verkaeufer: cerunnos Angebotsbeginn: 15.11.02 23:38:35 MEZ Angebotsende: 18.11.02 23:38:35 MEZ Startpreis: Aktuelles Gebot US $50,00 Wenn Sie bieten wollen, gehen Sie bitte zu: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802220163 Artikelbeschreibung: sold as-is,it was being used in a shop,the lower meter display gets "pegged" at maxium when it is being used,Maybe a bad ground wire inside .12.00 for shipping eBay - der weltweite Online-Marktplatz http://www.ebay.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Nov 18 18:45:22 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:45:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Heresy! Revox B215 Service Manual missing pages Message-ID: Don't shoot me! Only have one Revox B215 to the 9+ Naks in use. Seems the service manual I have may be missing the following pages in the diagram section: 6/10, 7/2, 7/8, 7/12. There are numbered pages on either side of these "missing" pages, so methinks there should be something in between these pages. If anyone in this elite group does not want to admit to even having information on this deck, but would agree to help me out (not the door, please!), please reply off-list. Sorry for the diversion, but know this group has been very helpful, when they can, on most audio, and video, topics. Thanks in advance for any assistance! Kent Merideth Somewhere in Central Indian where the Wigwam still stands. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Nov 19 09:44:06 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:44:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Interessanter Artikel bei eBay Deutschland Message-ID: <200211190844.gAJ8i6jn021347@mx20.sjc.ebay.com> Artikelnummer 802444661: Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer Service Manual Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 00:44:06 PST I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested.Somebody in the group was trying to get the T100 Audio analyzer not so long ago.Well ,here is the manual(service) as well to fix it! Walter Artikelbezeichnung: Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer Service Manual Verkaeufer: comppaqq Angebotsbeginn: 16.11.02 21:13:43 MEZ Angebotsende: 23.11.02 21:13:43 MEZ Startpreis: US $24,99 Wenn Sie bieten wollen, gehen Sie bitte zu: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=802444661 Artikelbeschreibung: Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer Service Manual (PHOTOCOPY) You are bidding on one Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer Service Manual(PHOTOCOPY). US buyer pays $ 5.00 shipping. International buyer pays $ 25.00 shipping. Please e-mail me with any questions. You may pay by USPS Postal Money Order OR wire transfer only. Thank you and good luck. eBay - der weltweite Online-Marktplatz http://www.ebay.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Nov 20 19:11:00 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 10:11:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX References: Message-ID: <002101c290c0$2e9e44c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Here's one for the mystery files: I received my Cassette Deck 1, which I am quite pleased with. Thanx Salim and Mark for your comments. However, on the very day it arrived, my 680ZX decided to get sick on me. Not sure if it was feeling neglected. Here's what it's doing (or rather NOT doing): The 680ZX all of a sudden stopped producing any sound. I completed playing one tape with no problem, and put another one in and it was almost as though the tape was blank (which it wasn't). There was no sound output, nor was there any meter activity. When I plugged a set of headphones in I could hear the signal very faintly if I cranked the output dial all the way up. In recording, everything shows up fine on the meters when in the "source" position, but nothing is recorded onto the tape, even when played back on a different deck. Don't know if this sounds like a familiar problem for this deck. Output for the calibration tone sound is fine and that shows up on the meters. Any thoughts? I suppose it could be as simple as a solder connection at the heads come loose, since the heads had just moved position for changing the tape (down / up) but what other possibilities? I've e-mailed Stephen Sank about sending it in for service, since it has never been serviced to my knowledge, and am awaiting a reply, but thought I'd ask for your thoughts also. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 20 20:39:35 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:39:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX In-Reply-To: <002101c290c0$2e9e44c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> References: <002101c290c0$2e9e44c0$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <1037821175.3ddbe4f7e4210@mail.ce.net> Sounds like a dirty playback head. John Quoting Roland Alford : > Here's one for the mystery files: > > I received my Cassette Deck 1, which I am quite pleased with. Thanx Salim > and Mark for your comments. > > However, on the very day it arrived, my 680ZX decided to get sick on me. > Not sure if it was feeling neglected. Here's what it's doing (or rather > NOT > doing): > > The 680ZX all of a sudden stopped producing any sound. I completed playing > one tape with no problem, and put another one in and it was almost as > though > the tape was blank (which it wasn't). There was no sound output, nor was > there any meter activity. When I plugged a set of headphones in I could > hear the signal very faintly if I cranked the output dial all the way up. > > In recording, everything shows up fine on the meters when in the "source" > position, but nothing is recorded onto the tape, even when played back on a > different deck. > > Don't know if this sounds like a familiar problem for this deck. Output > for > the calibration tone sound is fine and that shows up on the meters. Any > thoughts? I suppose it could be as simple as a solder connection at the > heads come loose, since the heads had just moved position for changing the > tape (down / up) but what other possibilities? > > I've e-mailed Stephen Sank about sending it in for service, since it has > never been serviced to my knowledge, and am awaiting a reply, but thought > I'd ask for your thoughts also. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Nov 20 20:43:44 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:13:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX Message-ID: <20021120194344.1256E114911@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Wed Nov 20 23:28:12 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:28:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi MX-100 Message-ID: <000a01c290e4$20cd3da0$ae6723c8@g8nsv> Hi everybody!!! Finally I am back after 4 months and a half working in the Venezuelan Amazon!!!! I just want to say that I have found 3 brand new Nakamichi MX-100 and they are up for sale...asking price is US$90 each plus shipping. 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URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Nov 23 05:21:28 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 11:21:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX References: <20021120194344.1256E114911@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000701c292a9$baa1f620$eb299bca@smarzuki> Hi Roland, I agree with Kannan that playback signal might got turned off by muting section and if stop lamp is off you're in luck =). If stop lamp is on ... try to trace the mute path on the mechanical section diagram. The diagram on ftp site has been marked from 'play' button to somewhere close to mute section - maybe similar problem ! Does your 680 record the test tone signal (played on other deck) ? Good luck, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX Roland Looks like you have the symptom of old 582/581 when it's Stop button light dies - it mutes the play output - However it will allow monitoring the source - I am not sure why it is not recording however. Check the circuit diagram if that is available in Naks.com FTP area If the stop button light is not working - buy any 12 V lamp and connet it to check whether everything works again Kannan roleo at telus.net wrote Here's one for the mystery files: I received my Cassette Deck 1, which I am quite pleased with. Thanx Salim and Mark for your comments. However, on the very day it arrived, my 680ZX decided to get sick on me. Not sure if it was feeling neglected. Here's what it's doing (or rather NOT doing): The 680ZX all of a sudden stopped producing any sound. I completed playing one tape with no problem, and put another one in and it was almost as though the tape was blank (which it wasn't). There was no sound output, nor was there any meter activity. When I plugged a set of headphones in I could hear the signal very faintly if I cranked the output dial all the way up. In recording, everything shows up fine on the meters when in the "source" position, but nothing is recorded onto the tape, even when played back on a different deck. Don't know if this sounds like a familiar problem for this deck. Output for the calibration tone sound is fine and that shows up on the meters. Any thoughts? I suppose it could be as simple as a solder connection at the heads come loose, since the heads had just moved position for changing the tape (down / up) but what other possibilities? I've e-mailed Stephen Sank about sending it in for service, since it has never been serviced to my knowledge, and am awaiting a reply, but thought I'd ask for your thoughts also. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Nov 22 19:39:57 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:39:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX References: <20021120194344.1256E114911@webmail.vsnl.com> <000701c292a9$baa1f620$eb299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000901c29256$8efcf360$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Thanx Salim and Kannan! You were both indeed correct that the stop lamp was the problem. I did a brief test and everything worked fine. Although I have done my share of soldering in my time (and breathed in enough lead Superman can't even see through me) I have found that I was never very good at it. I think I need a better iron with a temperature control. I'm going to have it looked at by a proper service center and let them change all the lamps and do a few other things since it wouldn't hurt getting some other things checked. Thanx much! You guys are a wealth of knowledge! I had never heard of this problem before. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX > > Hi Roland, > > I agree with Kannan that playback signal might got turned off by muting > section and if stop lamp is off you're in luck =). If stop lamp is on ... > try to trace the mute path on the mechanical section diagram. The diagram > on ftp site has been marked from 'play' button to somewhere close to mute > section - maybe similar problem ! Does your 680 record the test tone signal > (played on other deck) ? > > Good luck, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 680ZX > > > Roland > Looks like you have the symptom of old 582/581 when it's Stop button light > dies - it mutes the play output - However it will allow monitoring the > source - I am not sure why it is not recording however. > Check the circuit diagram if that is available in Naks.com FTP area > If the stop button light is not working - buy any 12 V lamp and connet it to > check whether everything works again > Kannan > roleo at telus.net wrote > Here's one for the mystery files: > > I received my Cassette Deck 1, which I am quite pleased with. Thanx Salim > and Mark for your comments. > > However, on the very day it arrived, my 680ZX decided to get sick on me. > Not sure if it was feeling neglected. Here's what it's doing (or rather NOT > doing): > > The 680ZX all of a sudden stopped producing any sound. I completed playing > one tape with no problem, and put another one in and it was almost as though > the tape was blank (which it wasn't). There was no sound output, nor was > there any meter activity. When I plugged a set of headphones in I could > hear the signal very faintly if I cranked the output dial all the way up. > > In recording, everything shows up fine on the meters when in the "source" > position, but nothing is recorded onto the tape, even when played back on a > different deck. > > Don't know if this sounds like a familiar problem for this deck. Output for > the calibration tone sound is fine and that shows up on the meters. Any > thoughts? I suppose it could be as simple as a solder connection at the > heads come loose, since the heads had just moved position for changing the > tape (down / up) but what other possibilities? > > I've e-mailed Stephen Sank about sending it in for service, since it has > never been serviced to my knowledge, and am awaiting a reply, but thought > I'd ask for your thoughts also. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Nov 22 23:24:01 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:24:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 References: <004001c2926b$abb4e430$896423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <3DDEAE81.104E4E15@rcn.com> First thing that comes to mind is a dirty PB head. Second, a PB head azimuth adjustment that is way off will also cut off high frequencies. Third: a faulty tape travel could also be the cause. Beyond those, I would suspect failure in the electronics. -- Ron > Isy Fidelman wrote: > > Hi everybody!!!! > I am having some problems with my Nak CR-7 so maybe you can help > me.... > Yesterday I played a tape and could only listen to the low > frequencies of the music...I tried the tape in my Dragon and the > LX-5 and it sounds good. > Then I recorded 2songs in the CR-7 and it happened the same > thing...in other machines it sounds great but in the CR7 I could > only listen to the low frequencies....what could it be??? The play > back head?? > Thanks a lot > Regards > > Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Nov 23 00:53:39 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:53:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RX 505-A In-Reply-To: <3DDEAE81.104E4E15@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002201c29282$60fb9760$84a1193e@oemcomputer> Guys Before it goes on e-Bay, is anyone interested in buying my RX505? It's presently sitting, unloved, on Stephen's work bench having undergone a Special Sank Service! I'd have it myself but I really don't have room for another deck at the moment and, besides, the $s will come in useful! Interested? Contact me off List. Sensible offers welcome :o) but I'd much prefer to sell to someone I know from the list, who I know will appreciate this masterly piece of engineering ... Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Nov 23 05:16:33 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:16:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI MR 2 References: <002201c29282$60fb9760$84a1193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <003501c292a7$1d731430$411f2ac4@CopyTech> Fellows: I still have 3 MR 2 in excellent working order here that needs a new home. I'm asking $100.00 and if you need more than one the price will drop to $85.00 each. Yeah ! 2 MR 2 for $170.00. If you buy the whole 3, then , it is $75.00 each. 3 MR 2 for $225.00 Couldn't go cheaper than that. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Nov 23 04:37:18 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:07:18 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 Message-ID: <20021123033718.D4B6611491A@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From srudick at hotmail.com Sat Nov 23 04:37:32 2002 From: srudick at hotmail.com (Steve Rudick) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 03:37:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 Message-ID: Playback head height, azimuth, maybe oxides (not likely). Steve/Audiotech ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Isy Fidelman" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "Naktalk mailinglist" Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:10:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mc10-f20.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.166.156]) by mc10-s3.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:14:45 -0800 Received: from zebra.naks.com ([194.151.78.54]) by mc10-f20.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:14:45 -0800 Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04980for naktalk-outgoing; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:53:15 +0100 Received: from mta04.t-net.net.ve (mta04.t-net.net.ve [200.35.64.122])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04977for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:53:08 +0100 Received: from g8nsv (ccs08-ppp124.t-net.net.ve [200.35.100.137])by mta04.t-net.net.ve (Switch-2.0.1/Switch-2.0.1) with SMTP id gAMLA9S17835for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:10:09 -0400 (AST) Message-ID: <004001c2926b$abb4e430$896423c8 at g8nsv> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2002 21:14:45.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E78D7F0:01C2926C] Hi everybody!!!! I am having some problems with my Nak CR-7 so maybe you can help me.... Yesterday I played a tape and could only listen to the low frequencies of the music...I tried the tape in my Dragon and the LX-5 and it sounds good. Then I recorded 2songs in the CR-7 and it happened the same thing...in other machines it sounds great but in the CR7 I could only listen to the low frequencies....what could it be??? The play back head?? Thanks a lot Regards Isy _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From adamyh at netvigator.com Sat Nov 23 06:06:15 2002 From: adamyh at netvigator.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 13:06:15 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 References: <20021123033718.D4B6611491A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001601c292ae$1ce15750$6501a8c0@homepc> Hi Kannan, Any chance you can ship to Hong Kong? Adam ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 > > ISY > If you are in the Bay area( I am not able to guess) - I can do a free check up on your CR7- meanwhile I have nice CR7 for sale at a very very attractive price - any body in the US interested ? > Kannan > > fidelman at telcel.net.ve wrote > Hi everybody!!!! > I am having some problems with my Nak CR-7 so maybe you can help me.... > Yesterday I played a tape and could only listen to the low frequencies of the music...I tried the tape in my Dragon and the LX-5 and it sounds good. > Then I recorded 2songs in the CR-7 and it happened the same thing...in other machines it sounds great but in the CR7 I could only listen to the low frequencies....what could it be??? The play back head?? > Thanks a lot > Regards > > Isy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 23 14:33:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:33:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Need help with Nak CR-7 References: <20021123033718.D4B6611491A@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3DDF8394.167612C5@rcn.com> kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > > ISY > If you are in the Bay area( I am not able to guess) - I can do > a free check up on your CR7 By the same token, if you live in New England, I'll be happy to take a look at your CR-7. Gratis, of course. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 24 15:18:55 2002 From: fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com (Fahad Abu Al-Saud) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 06:18:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Message-ID: <20021124141855.19706.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Naktalk, I have a ZX9 which is in a very excellent condition. I'm offering it for sale. If you have any one interested, plaese let me know. The price of the ZX9 is $800, and shipping is extra. Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus � Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Nov 24 18:34:44 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:04:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] OT -New England! Message-ID: <20021124173444.D578F114932@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Nov 25 03:13:08 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:13:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Graham's RX505 Message-ID: Graham - You're giving up on the RX505? Quite a collectible, very convenient for continuous playback of fine jazz and other music in the discerning audio collectors listening room. Of course, the RX505 is quite a conversation piece with visiting friends, watching the autoreverse system doing its thing always brings ooohs and ahhhhs. And if your RX505 has been blessed by St Stephen, its worth its weight in solid gold !!! A well tweaked RX505 will perform with any of the other top-notch Nak decks. One question, is this an American (505A) or European (505E) model? Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 18:18:20 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, November 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2798 > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:53:39 -0000 >From: "Graham Nelson" >Subject: [naktalk] RX 505-A > >Guys > >Before it goes on e-Bay, is anyone interested in buying my RX505? It's >presently sitting, unloved, on Stephen's work bench having undergone a >Special Sank Service! I'd have it myself but I really don't have room for >another deck at the moment and, besides, the $s will come in useful! > >Interested? Contact me off List. Sensible offers welcome :o) but I'd much >prefer to sell to someone I know from the list, who I know will appreciate >this masterly piece of engineering ... > >Graham > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2798 >****************************** > > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Nov 25 06:17:43 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:17:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Graham's RX505 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c29441$fbab7c60$1b4d87d9@oemcomputer> Hi Buddy It's a RX505A. Not a problem in Europe with a decent transformer. (My ZX9 is 220V and I use a transformer because my home voltage is 240V.) Yes, I know it will look good, etc ... and I am VERY tempted to keep her, if only just to see it for one time (I've never even touched it - she went straight from the e-Bay auction to Stephen...) but I really don't have the room for it with the main set up. The ZX9 takes prime place and (ahem!) the Pioneer CTS830S is there also to play all those tapes made on other machines that don't sound right on the ZX9, courtesy of the Pioneer's FLEX circuitry. Also, for interest, Stephen ran an A-B test for a customer, competing with the RX505 were a ZX7 and a Revox B215. He and his customer felt the ZX7 beat the RX505 ... and the B215 saw off both the Nak's. (That'll come as no surprise to Carlos or John.) At present there are two potential buyers for the deck from this List. I hope one or other will be able to go ahead as I would love for the deck to go to a home where it will be appreciated for what it is ... and used. Gra' PS A thought .... whatever happened to the ZX8?! ;o) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 25 November 2002 02:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Graham's RX505 > > > Graham - You're giving up on the RX505? Quite a collectible, > very convenient for continuous playback of fine jazz and other > music in the discerning audio collectors listening room. Of > course, the RX505 is quite a conversation piece with visiting > friends, watching the autoreverse system doing its thing always > brings ooohs and ahhhhs. > > And if your RX505 has been blessed by St Stephen, its worth its > weight in solid gold !!! A well tweaked RX505 will perform > with any of the other top-notch Nak decks. One question, is this > an American (505A) or European (505E) model? > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 25 12:57:53 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 22:57:53 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Highcom II for sale. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D98@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all. For those Australian nakamichi fans who want a little more out of your deck, here's your chance to own a High com II for only $60! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1940255222 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Nov 25 16:43:31 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:43:31 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 References: <002701c29441$fbab7c60$1b4d87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000701c29499$6879e000$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> If anyone needs one, I have a NEW NAKAMICHI RM-5 WIRED REMOTE CONTROL up on E-bay: ($9.99 currently -- no reserve) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=1941314683& rd=1 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From alex at autoconsortium.com Mon Nov 25 21:05:58 2002 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:05:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Message-ID: Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am looking for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an audio note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice equipment in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in Romancing the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to be a Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can barely see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire frame!). Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I thought audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq was definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic display was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know this piece? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 25 22:03:21 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:03:21 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D99@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Roland. That remote looks to be in great shape. One question, I own a rm-580r/t and I tried it on my rx505 but the rx505 did not respond to the commands, you state that your remote will work on all rx series decks but reverse play is not supported, doesn't the rm580 and the rm5 have the same pinout? If this works on the rx series then I might put a bid against ...SANTAONCRACK??!!!??! Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 2:44 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 If anyone needs one, I have a NEW NAKAMICHI RM-5 WIRED REMOTE CONTROL up on E-bay: ($9.99 currently -- no reserve) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=1941314683& rd=1 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Nov 25 22:23:14 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 08:23:14 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Alex you forgot the RX??? on 9 and a half weeks (I think it was 9 and a half weeks) :) Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 7:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am looking for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an audio note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice equipment in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in Romancing the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to be a Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can barely see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire frame!). Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I thought audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq was definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic display was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know this piece? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Nov 25 23:36:30 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:36:30 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D99@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000501c294d3$19fa2770$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Hi Tom! You could be right now that you mention it. A friend of mine in Toronto has an RX-505 (which he worked all summer for when he was a student to purchase) and I recall him mentioning that the remotes were not compatible. This will work on any deck that accepts the RM-580 or the RM-200. Nonetheless, I will offer a full money back guarantee including shipping to any one who wins the remote if it doesn't work with their deck, provided it has the 8 pin remote connection. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 > Hi Roland. That remote looks to be in great shape. One question, I own a > rm-580r/t and I tried it on my rx505 but the rx505 did not respond to the > commands, you state that your remote will work on all rx series decks but > reverse play is not supported, doesn't the rm580 and the rm5 have the same > pinout? If this works on the rx series then I might put a bid against > ...SANTAONCRACK??!!!??! > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 2:44 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 > > > If anyone needs one, I have a NEW NAKAMICHI RM-5 WIRED REMOTE CONTROL up on > E-bay: ($9.99 currently -- no reserve) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=1941314683& > rd=1 > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Nov 26 05:54:42 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 23:54:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Jolida References: <002701c29441$fbab7c60$1b4d87d9@oemcomputer> <000701c29499$6879e000$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <001b01c29507$ef537910$0e1f2ac4@CopyTech> I have a brand new Jolida 202 tube Integrated in box and manual. Never used. Brand new. It has 4 EL 34 and 4 other smaller tubes. It price list was $600 I'm giving it away for $300.00 Interested ? Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Isy fidelman at telcel.net.ve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI RM-5 > If anyone needs one, I have a NEW NAKAMICHI RM-5 WIRED REMOTE CONTROL up on > E-bay: ($9.99 currently -- no reserve) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4784&item=1941314683& > rd=1 > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Nov 26 13:14:58 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:14:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3DE365C2.3FA05DA8@snet.net> Of course the mother of all audio equipment movies would have to be Diva... guy bootlegs opera performance with Nagra portable open reel and then goes home where the huge rack of Nakamichi and Tandberg gear resides. Lot's of full frontal audio gear shown. Ed Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Alex you forgot the RX??? on 9 and a half weeks (I think it was 9 and a half > weeks) :) > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 7:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq > > Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am looking > for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an audio > note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice equipment > in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in Romancing > the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to be a > Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can barely > see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and > remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire frame!). > Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I thought > audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq was > definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic display > was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know this > piece? > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Nov 26 16:17:23 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:17:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq In-Reply-To: <3DE365C2.3FA05DA8@snet.net> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3DE365C2.3FA05DA8@snet.net> Message-ID: <1038323843.3de390836186b@mail.ce.net> Yeah, Yeah! But wasn't it a ReVox(en) B77 and B791 turntable, not Tandberg? :-) John Quoting Ed Noyes : > Of course the mother of all audio equipment movies would have to be Diva... > guy > bootlegs opera performance with Nagra portable open reel and then goes home > where the > huge rack of Nakamichi and Tandberg gear resides. Lot's of full frontal audio > gear > shown. > > Ed > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > Alex you forgot the RX??? on 9 and a half weeks (I think it was 9 and a > half > > weeks) :) > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 7:06 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq > > > > Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am looking > > for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an > audio > > note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice > equipment > > in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in > Romancing > > the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to be > a > > Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can > barely > > see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and > > remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire > frame!). > > Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I thought > > audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq was > > definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic > display > > was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know this > > piece? > > > > Alex Cagann > > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Tue Nov 26 19:01:30 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:01:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Question out of curiousity Message-ID: Hi, I have a question out of curiousity. How does the professional Tascam 122mkIII compare on the Nak scale? Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Nov 26 19:14:41 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:14:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Message-ID: <20021126.131537.-212307.2.josephj69@juno.com> I recently had a couple sightings myself: "Tomb Raider" - Clearaudio Reference Turntable "What Women Want" - Mel Gibson has what looks like Levinson gear in his apartment - Joe On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:14:58 -0500 Ed Noyes writes: > Of course the mother of all audio equipment movies would have to be > Diva... guy > bootlegs opera performance with Nagra portable open reel and then > goes home where the > huge rack of Nakamichi and Tandberg gear resides. Lot's of full > frontal audio gear > shown. > > Ed > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Tue Nov 26 19:27:00 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:27:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Question out of curiousity References: Message-ID: <006701c29579$9bc733a0$ca02010a@titusint.com> I have never owned a Tascam 122MKII but I do have a Dragon, CR-7A and the Teac V8030S. In my opinion, the Teac V8030S compared favorably to the Dragon and CR-7A. But I will give the two Nakamichis a very slight edge in sound quality. The difference is very subtle and you have to do an AB comparison to tell the marginal difference. Since Tascam is Teac's professional division, the sound quality of the Tascam 122MKII should be very good. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Lotspeich" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Question out of curiousity > Hi, > > I have a question out of curiousity. How does the professional Tascam > 122mkIII compare on the Nak scale? > > Erik. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Nov 26 20:35:58 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:35:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq References: <20021126.131537.-212307.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001501c29583$0c983030$f71f2ac4@CopyTech> On Indescent Proposal a Micro Seiki is playing some music too. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] looking for eq > I recently had a couple sightings myself: > > "Tomb Raider" - Clearaudio Reference Turntable > > "What Women Want" - Mel Gibson has what looks like Levinson gear in his > apartment > > - Joe > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2002 07:14:58 -0500 Ed Noyes writes: > > Of course the mother of all audio equipment movies would have to be > > Diva... guy > > bootlegs opera performance with Nagra portable open reel and then > > goes home where the > > huge rack of Nakamichi and Tandberg gear resides. Lot's of full > > frontal audio gear > > shown. > > > > Ed > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Nov 26 19:37:12 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 14:37:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Krell and McIntosh question!!! Message-ID: <003601c2957a$d9de52d0$c76423c8@g8nsv> Hi guys!!! I just want to ask you something: Does any of you know something about the Krell cd player KAV-250cd??? What do you think of the McIntosh amp 2205??? US$700 is too much for a good looking, good sounding one??? Thanks a lot Regards Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Nov 26 19:56:08 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 13:56:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Message-ID: <20021126.141628.-212307.9.josephj69@juno.com> No kidding? Which Micro? Did it have a metal frame or wood cabinet? That will certainly give me an excuse to rent that one. :) - Joe > On Indescent Proposal a Micro Seiki is playing some music too. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 1:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] looking for eq > > > > I recently had a couple sightings myself: > > > > "Tomb Raider" - Clearaudio Reference Turntable > > > > "What Women Want" - Mel Gibson has what looks like Levinson gear > in his > > apartment > > > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SPetersen at blizzard.com Tue Nov 26 20:52:58 2002 From: SPetersen at blizzard.com (Scott Petersen) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:52:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Message-ID: If I remember corretly, that wasn't an eq in Ferris Beuller really, but an RTA. The disiplay was a a matrix of red LEDs that were constantly moving around (what a stoner's delight) to the music. Turns out that AudioSource made an RTA, can't find much info on it though... maybe it's something like this: http://www.soundcity.com/prod_images/acc101.jpg -----Original Message----- From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am looking for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an audio note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice equipment in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in Romancing the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to be a Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can barely see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire frame!). Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I thought audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq was definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic display was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know this piece? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From alex at autoconsortium.com Tue Nov 26 22:38:44 2002 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:38:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think you are correct...however, I'm at a loss here....what exactly is an RTA? :-) Yes, the top LED of the bar lit up (so you would get a constantly moving single LED per frequency), not the whole series below. A very fancy looking graphic representation of the music. Thank you very much for you information Scott! Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > If I remember corretly, that wasn't an eq in Ferris Beuller really, but an > RTA. The disiplay was a a matrix of red LEDs that were constantly moving > around (what a stoner's delight) to the music. Turns out that AudioSource > made an RTA, can't find much info on it though... > > maybe it's something like this: > http://www.soundcity.com/prod_images/acc101.jpg ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Nov 26 23:10:18 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 17:10:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq References: Message-ID: <3DE3F14A.FE0E843C@rcn.com> RTA -- Real Time Analyzer. Similar to a spectrum analyzer, it's used to display the relative levels of various frequency bands in a music signal, in real time. -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > I think you are correct...however, I'm at a loss here....what exactly is an > RTA? :-) > > Yes, the top LED of the bar lit up (so you would get a constantly moving > single LED per frequency), not the whole series below. A very fancy looking > graphic representation of the music. Thank you very much for you information > Scott! > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > If I remember corretly, that wasn't an eq in Ferris Beuller really, but an > > RTA. The disiplay was a a matrix of red LEDs that were constantly moving > > around (what a stoner's delight) to the music. Turns out that AudioSource > > made an RTA, can't find much info on it though... > > > > maybe it's something like this: > > http://www.soundcity.com/prod_images/acc101.jpg > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Nov 27 03:14:58 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:14:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3DE365C2.3FA05DA8@snet.net> <1038323843.3de390836186b@mail.ce.net> Message-ID: <3DE42AA1.7795E377@snet.net> That's right, Revox reels and table! Ed jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > Yeah, Yeah! But wasn't it a ReVox(en) B77 and B791 turntable, not Tandberg? :-) > > John > > Quoting Ed Noyes : > > > Of course the mother of all audio equipment movies would have to be Diva... > > guy > > bootlegs opera performance with Nagra portable open reel and then goes home > > where the > > huge rack of Nakamichi and Tandberg gear resides. Lot's of full frontal audio > > gear > > shown. > > > > Ed > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > Alex you forgot the RX??? on 9 and a half weeks (I think it was 9 and a > > half > > > weeks) :) > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 7:06 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq > > > > > > Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am looking > > > for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an > > audio > > > note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice > > equipment > > > in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in > > Romancing > > > the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to be > > a > > > Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can > > barely > > > see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and > > > remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire > > frame!). > > > Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I thought > > > audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq was > > > definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic > > display > > > was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know this > > > piece? > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Nov 27 14:57:19 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 08:57:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq In-Reply-To: <3DE42AA1.7795E377@snet.net> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201D9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3DE365C2.3FA05DA8@snet.net> <1038323843.3de390836186b@mail.ce.net> <3DE42AA1.7795E377@snet.net> Message-ID: <1038405439.3de4cf3feecbe@mail.ce.net> If my family heads out shopping on Black Friday I might just pull "Diva" again! :-) John Quoting Ed Noyes : > That's right, Revox reels and table! Ed > > jmtooley at ce.net wrote: > > > Yeah, Yeah! But wasn't it a ReVox(en) B77 and B791 turntable, not Tandberg? > :-) > > > > John > > > > Quoting Ed Noyes : > > > > > Of course the mother of all audio equipment movies would have to be > Diva... > > > guy > > > bootlegs opera performance with Nagra portable open reel and then goes > home > > > where the > > > huge rack of Nakamichi and Tandberg gear resides. Lot's of full frontal > audio > > > gear > > > shown. > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > > > Alex you forgot the RX??? on 9 and a half weeks (I think it was 9 and > a > > > half > > > > weeks) :) > > > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Alex Cagann [mailto:alex at autoconsortium.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 7:06 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] looking for eq > > > > > > > > Strange question, but, you guys are audioheads so here goes. I am > looking > > > > for the equalizer that was on Ferris Buellers Day Off. If you are an > > > audio > > > > note, you will remember what I am talking about...I ALWAYS notice > > > equipment > > > > in movies and other shows (like the Nakamichi equipment I saw in > > > Romancing > > > > the Stone, the guy that had the only car in the villiage, turned out to > be > > > a > > > > Ford Bronco, he had a rack in his house with nice equipment...you can > > > barely > > > > see it, definitely a nakamichi deck, I think a ZX9 or a 680. Oh, and > > > > remember the Nakamichi Dragon on Sixteen Candles? It got an entire > > > frame!). > > > > Now, I distinctly saw AudioSource written on this eq, however, I > thought > > > > audiosource was junk...perhaps they used to make good stuff? This eq > was > > > > definitely not a cheapy. It looked totally digital and the graphic > > > display > > > > was on the left, not center. I could see nothing else. Anyone know > this > > > > piece? > > > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > > > http://www.autoconsortium.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Wondering if there is any recommended room temperature? > > Thanks in advance. > > Vinod > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Nov 28 14:38:51 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 08:38:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Turkey Sale References: <001901c29663$a7790490$501f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001201c296e3$7d8620c0$931f2ac4@CopyTech> The Turkey Sale: Just if anyone is interested ... Pair of Behringer Parametric Eq. PRO New Condition w/ manuals Carver TX 10 Tuner New Condition Adcom 5 x 100 AMP New Condition in box & manual Klipsch 8.5 Speakers New in Box Revox B-77 MK II Revox PR 99 MK II Very good prices ... Happy Thanksgiving ! Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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When equipment specs are not published by the manufacturer, I feel confident operating the equipment at any ambient temperature I am physically comfortable at; say, 10ºC to 35ºC. -- Ron Vinod Kumar wrote: > > Hello Naktalkers, > > Wondering if anyone knows what should be the temperature of the room which > houses audio system. Wondering if there is any recommended room temperature? > > Thanks in advance. > > Vinod > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Nov 29 20:50:58 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:50:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Thanksgiving!!! Message-ID: <005a01c297e0$a7ab11f0$856423c8@g8nsv> Hey everyone!!! I just wanted to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving eevn though it is a day late....hope you had a great dinner.... Here in venezuela we don't celebrate it even though some american families who live here do.... Anyway hope you enjoyed it Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Nov 29 21:26:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 15:26:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Thanksgiving!!! References: <005a01c297e0$a7ab11f0$856423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <00f101c297e5$88b1bdd0$21106343@johnnyrotten> Thank you Isy. We had nine people here yesterday attacking the turkey! Today it's leftovers! John Delaware, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Happy Thanksgiving!!! Hey everyone!!! I just wanted to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving eevn though it is a day late....hope you had a great dinner.... Here in venezuela we don't celebrate it even though some american families who live here do.... Anyway hope you enjoyed it Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at autoconsortium.com Fri Nov 29 22:36:07 2002 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:36:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] a good amp? Message-ID: Hello group. I am in the process of deciding on upgrade amps for my system. I have two Adcom 555II's right now....I am currently looking for a couple of Nak PA7II's. However, I ran across this amp...anyone know anything about this? A good home amp...or, is this just a beefy amp for concert type use? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Nov 30 01:45:39 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:45:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] a good amp? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How much power do you require and what is your budget? What is the sensitivity and impedance of your speakers? Do you know the impedance range (lowest to highest) of your speakers? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 1:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] a good amp? Hello group. I am in the process of deciding on upgrade amps for my system. I have two Adcom 555II's right now....I am currently looking for a couple of Nak PA7II's. However, I ran across this amp...anyone know anything about this? A good home amp...or, is this just a beefy amp for concert type use? Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Nov 30 15:14:09 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:14:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] a good amp? References: Message-ID: <3DE8C7B1.301C0C68@rcn.com> Alex, are you sure you provided the correct link? -- Ron Alex Cagann wrote: > > Hello group. I am in the process of deciding on upgrade amps for my system. > I have two Adcom 555II's right now....I am currently looking for a couple of > Nak PA7II's. However, I ran across this amp...anyone know anything about > this? A good home amp...or, is this just a beefy amp for concert type use? > > Alex Cagann > http://www.autoconsortium.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Nov 30 20:45:51 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:45:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Phase Linear 1000 References: <001201c296e3$7d8620c0$931f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: Hi Nakkers! The question is: Phase Linear 1000 Dynamic Range Recovery System Autocorrelator Noise Reduction System Is this unit worth something? Any one has an expirience with this unit? I'm thinking about using this one with LP player. Any advices? Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-12.txt ************************************************************************ From roleo at telus.net Sun Dec 1 03:53:40 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:53:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <002701c29441$fbab7c60$1b4d87d9@oemcomputer> <000701c29499$6879e000$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> <003c01c29501$04bf0a50$326523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <000b01c298e4$da8f1210$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Thought you'd never have the pleasure of having a brand new 1000ZXL sealed in the box? It's not too late........ http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804112350 What shape would the rubber be in a deck like this? How about the orange caps? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun Dec 1 09:59:40 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 10:59:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Message-ID: What's the picture got to do with a 1000 ZXL ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Roland Alford" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 18:53:40 -0800 Thought you'd never have the pleasure of having a brand new 1000ZXL sealed in the box? It's not too late........ http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804112350 What shape would the rubber be in a deck like this? How about the orange caps? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From exposo at hotmail.com Sun Dec 1 10:27:00 2002 From: exposo at hotmail.com (Exposo 0) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 04:27:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Phase Linear 1000 Message-ID: This was a multi function box which included an active noise filter and range expander It workes quite well with LPs and tapes but there is much better stuff available today. The Phase Linear collectors will pay something for them. It was sold stand alone and integrated into the 4000 series preamp. It's great advantage at the time (1974) was that it didn't swoosh like many of the early active filters. When used together The filter, the expander and perhaps one additional gadget built into it were capable of increasing the dynamic range significantly. When used in combination with in with dolby the results were even more pronounced but again it did introduce some undesirable qualities to the output. I can't describe it exactly but some tunes can sound kind of dull. It worked best on material that was already quiet btw: and unlike other processors of that pre-tacky era was not meant to quiet hissy tapes or scratchy albums. Later >From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Phase Linear 1000 >Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:45:51 +0200 (EET) > >Hi Nakkers! > >The question is: >Phase Linear 1000 >Dynamic Range Recovery System >Autocorrelator Noise Reduction System > >Is this unit worth something? Any one has an expirience with this unit? >I'm thinking about using this one with LP player. Any advices? > >Thanks, >Misha > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 1 13:59:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 12:59:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <007f01c29939$8dab6200$403287d9@oemcomputer> Apparently, the picture is just a filler because the owner is reluctant to break the seal of the original packing. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 01 December 2002 09:00 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > > What's the picture got to do with a 1000 ZXL ? > > George > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 1 15:18:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 09:18:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <002701c29441$fbab7c60$1b4d87d9@oemcomputer> <000701c29499$6879e000$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> <003c01c29501$04bf0a50$326523c8@g8nsv> <000b01c298e4$da8f1210$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <3DEA1A2E.DB3CB093@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > Thought you'd never have the pleasure of having a brand new 1000ZXL sealed > in the box? It's not too late........ > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804112350 > > What shape would the rubber be in a deck like this? I would imagine that rubber parts would be aged and hard. Specifically, I would replace pinch roller and belts on sight. > How about the orange caps? I am not sure what the failure mechanism of these caps is. They could function as new and then fail in the far future, or they could be bad right off the bat. In addition, I would expect grease would be dry and hardened all over the deck. This is no huge problem; I would simply add this chore to whatever service is required. In any case, all metal and cosmetic parts should be like new. If one is really intent on getting this deck, the added cost of shipping and service would not be a deterrent. I expect the price to eventually top $1000; but then, you never know what makes the ebay crowd tick. Nobody will consider that this could also be one huge rip-off. The post talks about testing the deck before taking delivery -- I assume the box is already open. -- Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 1 15:29:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:29:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tweeter protectors In-Reply-To: <000b01c298e4$da8f1210$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <008001c29946$10e68b20$403287d9@oemcomputer> I came by a pair of Auralex Acoustics DLK10 NS-10M tweeter protectors, with a view to possibly using them on my NS-1000Ms, given the rarity of the tweeters should I happen to cook one again, as some of you will remember I achieved about a year ago! I've not fitted them yet due to a sense of caution! The carton reads "They work by siphoning off excess energy before it has a chance to blow your tweeters & they'll sound smoother due to not being overdriven. These dynamic tweeter protectors only become electronically "active" at critical levels, so they won't change your monitors' frequency or phase response." Ummm ... does that mean the speakers WON'T sound so good?! Anyone out there with a view about these devices? Feel free to reply off List as this may bit be a subject of interest to everyone ... and it is OT. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Dec 1 15:49:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:49:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL In-Reply-To: <3DEA1A2E.DB3CB093@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000001c29948$ebcef860$f24f87d9@oemcomputer> Guys There are TWO of these decks. One of them has been opened and tested ... with a C120 !!! See below: Hi Graham Thanks for your interest. I have two of these 1000zxl objects. I bought them in the early 80`s from a neighbour,who worked at the "elac" gmbh as an engineer at that time . They were stored at a dry place with equal temperature. We opened one of theese last week and all the functions were absolout perfect. It was very strange when I noticed the smell of the nakamichi ,while opening the box. Hard to discribe : it smelt like a factory-fresh mercedes-benz interior,and my friend said : a bit like this makita machine-oil to conserve new tools.I worried about the rubber belts but they seemed to be in perfect condition after testing hours with "c120" ! best wishes Jens > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 01 December 2002 14:18 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 1000ZXL > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > Thought you'd never have the pleasure of having a brand new > 1000ZXL sealed > > in the box? It's not too late........ > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=804112350 > > > > What shape would the rubber be in a deck like this? > > I would imagine that rubber parts would be aged and hard. > Specifically, I would replace pinch roller and belts on > sight. > > > How about the orange caps? > > I am not sure what the failure mechanism of these caps > is. They could function as new and then fail in the far > future, or they could be bad right off the bat. > > In addition, I would expect grease would be dry and > hardened all over the deck. This is no huge problem; > I would simply add this chore to whatever service is > required. > > In any case, all metal and cosmetic parts should be > like new. If one is really intent on getting this > deck, the added cost of shipping and service would > not be a deterrent. > > I expect the price to eventually top $1000; but then, > you never know what makes the ebay crowd tick. Nobody > will consider that this could also be one huge rip-off. > The post talks about testing the deck before taking > delivery -- I assume the box is already open. > > -- Rob > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Dec 1 20:14:48 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 21:14:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Phase Linear 1000 References: Message-ID: Hi, Many thanks for comments! I'll try one! Misha >This was a multi function box which included >an active noise filter and range expander >It workes quite well with LPs and tapes but >there is much better stuff available today. >The Phase Linear collectors will pay something >for them. It was sold stand alone and integrated >into the 4000 series preamp. It's great advantage >at the time (1974) was that it didn't swoosh like >many of the early active filters. When used together >The filter, the expander and perhaps one additional >gadget built into it were capable of increasing the dynamic range >significantly. When used in combination with in with >dolby the results were even more pronounced but again >it did introduce some undesirable qualities to the output. >I can't describe it exactly but some tunes can sound kind of >dull. It worked best on material that was already quiet btw: >and unlike other processors of that pre-tacky era was not meant >to quiet hissy tapes or scratchy albums. >Later ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Dec 1 21:56:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 15:56:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 1000ZXL References: <002701c29441$fbab7c60$1b4d87d9@oemcomputer> <000701c29499$6879e000$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> <003c01c29501$04bf0a50$326523c8@g8nsv> <000b01c298e4$da8f1210$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> <3DEA1A2E.DB3CB093@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002801c2997c$26723ad0$6b1f2ac4@CopyTech> > In any case, all metal and cosmetic parts should be > like new. If one is really intent on getting this > deck, the added cost of shipping and service would > not be a deterrent. Guys: I'm not sure about this. I bought one sealed 2 years ago for $500.00 After 2 trips to Stephen and over $1,000 in shipping charges and repairs, she still not working. I'm sure that this specific deck would not go for less than $1,500 and that, my dear fellows, is a ridiculous price to pay for a cassette deck nowadays. Even if you are an avid collector. The 1000 ZXL is very prone to problems and after 20 years of production date, they tend to be very un-reliable. Besides, many important parts are no longer made or sell by Nakamichi. Just the same as the 700 ZXL that I just sold. On the other hand, when working properly, it's simply hard to beat and it is the most amazing looking machine on earth, period. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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IOW, it could have some adverse sonic effect at all times, even when not triggered. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > I came by a pair of Auralex Acoustics DLK10 NS-10M tweeter protectors, with > a view to possibly using them on my NS-1000Ms, given the rarity of the > tweeters should I happen to cook one again, as some of you will remember I > achieved about a year ago! I've not fitted them yet due to a sense of > caution! The carton reads "They work by siphoning off excess energy before > it has a chance to blow your tweeters & they'll sound smoother due to not > being overdriven. These dynamic tweeter protectors only become > electronically "active" at critical levels, so they won't change your > monitors' frequency or phase response." Ummm ... does that mean the > speakers WON'T sound so good?! Anyone out there with a view about these > devices? Feel free to reply off List as this may bit be a subject of > interest to everyone ... and it is OT. > > Cheers > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From alex at autoconsortium.com Mon Dec 2 16:30:11 2002 From: alex at autoconsortium.com (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 10:30:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] a good amp? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have ribbon hybrid speakers, they need plenty of juice, very inefficient. They are 6-8 ohm, I believe. Alex Cagann http://www.autoconsortium.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] a good amp? > > > How much power do you require and what is your budget? What is the > sensitivity and impedance of your speakers? Do you know the > impedance range > (lowest to highest) of your speakers? > Carl > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Dec 4 01:29:46 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:29:46 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Analyze That! References: <68ffd6689616.68961668ffd6@georgetown.edu> Message-ID: <001901c29b2c$3fe39160$03b706cf@rolandtthxyvvs> Can't remember who, (Was it you KJ?) but someone was looking for a T-100 Analyzer. One on German E-bay looks pretty good, and if you ask nicely, they usually will ship to North America, just pay the extra postage. http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942898442 Here's the translated description: "Nakamichi T-100 audio Analyzer perfect using equipment from a Firmeninsolvens. A small rotary button is missing sees photo Without manuals or other accessories. Dispatch only by vorkasse zzgl. 7 euro forwarding expenses. No further costs! They receive a calculation with proven value added tax! See also into my other auctions to much luck!" --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Can such a problem be fixed easly or not? Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From adkeil at wantree.com.au Fri Dec 6 06:07:32 2002 From: adkeil at wantree.com.au (Tony Keil) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:07:32 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] ?manuals for zx-7, 682zx Message-ID: <000001c29ce5$63b90970$46c63bcb@keilhomecomp> Hi, Recently acquired these 2 great decks without manuals. I'm having trouble calibrating the zx-7. Rec mute button stays on together with left fader light in record mode. Any help/directions to manuals much appreciated. Regards Tony ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Dec 6 06:46:30 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:46:30 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] ?manuals for zx-7, 682zx Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DC1@MIS-EXCHANGE> Hi Tony, I have scanned in my ZX9 manual and have a copy, but it's a large file. Can your e-mail account handle very large files? Regards Tom Siomopoulos P.S. Sorry but i have no manual on the 682zx -----Original Message----- From: Tony Keil [mailto:adkeil at wantree.com.au] Sent: Friday, 6 December 2002 4:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ?manuals for zx-7, 682zx Hi, Recently acquired these 2 great decks without manuals. I'm having trouble calibrating the zx-7. Rec mute button stays on together with left fader light in record mode. Any help/directions to manuals much appreciated. Regards Tony ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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This is an artefact of a badly designed amp which belongs in the bin. No argument. From memory, you chose the third way to immolate your tweeters. Go find a skip... The protectors you describe are non-linear so they are bound to affect sound quality. My advice is to get an amp which works well and to forget about 'tweeter protectors'. You really, really should not need such things if your system is at all well matched to the speakers, and well behaved. Don't wear braces (suspeneders) as well as a belt - start with a pair of trousers that fit in the first place! John Walker, user of an Occam razor ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Dec 6 20:14:56 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 19:14:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay Message-ID: <3DF0F730.9020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Have a look at eBay auction number 1942703261 - a Revox A721 Cassette mastering machine. Is this just a pro version of the B215, or is it something special? John Walker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Dec 6 20:46:53 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 14:46:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay References: <3DF0F730.9020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <013401c29d60$3a2e4f90$86106343@johnnyrotten> Looks like a Studer labeled ReVox B 215. Difference appears to be two knobs for something on the left where my B 215 has "TAPE TYPE, NR SYSTEM, MPX and ALIGN" buttons. Stephen just returned another B 215 to me! Best cassette, by far, that I've ever owned. Everything on them is rock stable which is more than I can say for the other cassette decks that I have owned. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay > Have a look at eBay auction number 1942703261 - a Revox A721 Cassette > mastering machine. Is this just a pro version of the B215, or is it > something special? > > John Walker > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Dec 6 23:41:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:41:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay In-Reply-To: <013401c29d60$3a2e4f90$86106343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003f01c29d78$a51ef120$e4eb193e@oemcomputer> John "Everything on them is rock stable which is more than I can say for the other cassette decks that I have owned." Compared to which Nak's is that? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 06 December 2002 19:47 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay > > > Looks like a Studer labeled ReVox B 215. Difference appears to be > two knobs > for something on the left where my B 215 has "TAPE TYPE, NR > SYSTEM, MPX and > ALIGN" buttons. > Stephen just returned another B 215 to me! Best cassette, by far, > that I've > ever owned. Everything on them is rock stable which is more than I can say > for the other cassette decks that I have owned. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:14 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay > > > > Have a look at eBay auction number 1942703261 - a Revox A721 Cassette > > mastering machine. Is this just a pro version of the B215, or is it > > something special? > > > > John Walker > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 7 16:44:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:44:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay References: <003f01c29d78$a51ef120$e4eb193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002901c29e07$77a24c80$43106343@johnnyrotten> Nak. 600, 700 II, Teac, Aiwa, Sony, all good machines but the ReVox really handles tape better than anything else I've used. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay > John > > "Everything on them is rock stable which is more than I can say for the > other cassette decks that I have owned." Compared to which Nak's is that? > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John M. Tooley > > Sent: 06 December 2002 19:47 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay > > > > > > Looks like a Studer labeled ReVox B 215. Difference appears to be > > two knobs > > for something on the left where my B 215 has "TAPE TYPE, NR > > SYSTEM, MPX and > > ALIGN" buttons. > > Stephen just returned another B 215 to me! Best cassette, by far, > > that I've > > ever owned. Everything on them is rock stable which is more than I can say > > for the other cassette decks that I have owned. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 2:14 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Revox A721 on eBay > > > > > > > Have a look at eBay auction number 1942703261 - a Revox A721 Cassette > > > mastering machine. Is this just a pro version of the B215, or is it > > > something special? > > > > > > John Walker > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 7 22:32:40 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:32:40 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi 1000 zxl new in box from collection " In-Reply-To: <3DF0F730.9020808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002c01c29e38$2b469b80$29be193e@oemcomputer> Under 2 days to go and it's reached over 1.5k EUR ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=804112350& rd=1 Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] "Nakamichi 1000 zxl new in box from collection " > Under 2 days to go and it's reached over 1.5k EUR ... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27795&item=804112350& > rd=1 > > Graham > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.419 / Virus Database: 235 - Release Date: 13/11/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Hughes [mailto:hughes at nswtf.org.au] Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 12:52 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. _____ This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify the New South Wales Teachers Federation immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the New South Wales Teachers Federation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Dec 9 07:01:23 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 01:01:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2804 Message-ID: <200212090101_MC3-1-1E76-74BA@compuserve.com> I don't know if it's common in speaker design, but I have a pair of speakers (Reference 310L, 8Ohms 80W), each have a 1/2 Amp fuse for the tweeters only. I just recently replaced them after accidently powering up with volume turned way up! That should be the easiest/cheapest protection for the tweeters. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:47:33 -0500 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Tweeter protectors I have no idea how these particular 'protectors' designed. Presumably, they incorporate a high impedance detection circuit that determines when high frequency energy reaches a predetermined level. It then triggers a series device to limit high frequencies delivered to the speaker. The question is, where does the device connect to the audio system. If between the power amp output and the speakers, then the detection circuit can fairly easily be made transparent to the signal, but the series limiter cannot. IOW, it could have some adverse sonic effect at all times, even when not triggered. - -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > I came by a pair of Auralex Acoustics DLK10 NS-10M tweeter protectors, with > a view to possibly using them on my NS-1000Ms, given the rarity of the > tweeters should I happen to cook one again, as some of you will remember I > achieved about a year ago! I've not fitted them yet due to a sense of > caution! The carton reads "They work by siphoning off excess energy before > it has a chance to blow your tweeters & they'll sound smoother due to not > being overdriven. These dynamic tweeter protectors only become > electronically "active" at critical levels, so they won't change your > monitors' frequency or phase response." Ummm ... does that mean the > speakers WON'T sound so good?! Anyone out there with a view about these > devices? Feel free to reply off List as this may bit be a subject of > interest to everyone ... and it is OT. > > Cheers > > Graham > > ---< ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Dec 9 08:53:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 07:53:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DC9@MIS-EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <002501c29f58$032526a0$0e6f87d9@oemcomputer> Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 decks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John.I have a ZX9 owners manual as a pdf file - only 801KB. Who wants a copy?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 09 December 2002 02:45 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. Hi John and all. I have a copy of the ZX9 manual on file (jpg format), the problem is the file is 7MEG! Most recipiants can't handle this size file and I'm stuck with not being able to send the file to those in need. Does anyone know how to place the file on the Naktalk ftp section? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Hughes [mailto:hughes at nswtf.org.au] Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 12:52 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify the New South Wales Teachers Federation immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the New South Wales Teachers Federation. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 9 15:13:33 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:13:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2804 References: <200212090101_MC3-1-1E76-74BA@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3DF4A50D.77AB3D14@rcn.com> It is. But the question was, does this protection adversely affect sound quality? Answer: depending in the tweeter design, it could. That's because fuses have a finite resistance. Any series resistance in the speaker circuit could affect sound; first, by consuming power and second, by reducing the driver damping. Both of these can be infinitesimal in the case of some tweeters, but audible (at least, theoretically) in the case of others. For these reasons, internal fuses are not that common. -- Ron Compudude wrote: > > I don't know if it's common in speaker design, but I have a pair of > speakers (Reference 310L, 8Ohms 80W), each have a 1/2 Amp fuse for the > tweeters only. I just recently replaced them after accidently powering up > with volume turned way up! > That should be the easiest/cheapest protection for the tweeters. > > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:47:33 -0500 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Tweeter protectors > > I have no idea how these particular 'protectors' > designed. Presumably, they incorporate a high impedance > detection circuit that determines when high frequency > energy reaches a predetermined level. It then triggers > a series device to limit high frequencies delivered to > the speaker. > > The question is, where does the device connect to the > audio system. If between the power amp output and the > speakers, then the detection circuit can fairly easily > be made transparent to the signal, but the series > limiter cannot. IOW, it could have some adverse sonic > effect at all times, even when not triggered. > > - -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > I came by a pair of Auralex Acoustics DLK10 NS-10M tweeter protectors, > with > > a view to possibly using them on my NS-1000Ms, given the rarity of the > > tweeters should I happen to cook one again, as some of you will remember > I > > achieved about a year ago! I've not fitted them yet due to a sense of > > caution! The carton reads "They work by siphoning off excess energy > before > > it has a chance to blow your tweeters & they'll sound smoother due to not > > being overdriven. These dynamic tweeter protectors only become > > electronically "active" at critical levels, so they won't change your > > monitors' frequency or phase response." Ummm ... does that mean the > > speakers WON'T sound so good?! Anyone out there with a view about these > > devices? Feel free to reply off List as this may bit be a subject of > > interest to everyone ... and it is OT. > > > > Cheers > > > > Graham > > > > ---< > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Dec 9 15:18:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 09:18:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DC9@MIS-EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <3DF4A636.FEEC6BC0@rcn.com> >> I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an >> owners manual for each. Can anyone help please? John. > >Hi John and all. > > I have a copy of the ZX9 manual on file (jpg format), the > problem is the file is 7MEG! Most recipiants can't handle > this size file and I'm stuck with not being able to send the > file to those in need. Does anyone know how to place the file > on the Naktalk ftp section? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. Tom, I wonder if you can break this huge file down to a series of smaller files, by opening it in your image editor and saving each chunk separately. Most email systems allow files smaller than about 1MB. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Dec 9 17:05:23 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 11:05:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-9 Message-ID: <6E458231.46FA51FE.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Graham, Please send me the file with ZX-9 owner's manual. Thank you in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Dec 9 22:30:27 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:30:27 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purcha sed these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyo ne help please ? John. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DCD@MIS-EXCHANGE> Thanks Gra'. That's a better size file than my monsterous 7meg :( Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 6:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. I have a ZX9 owners manual as a pdf file - only 801KB. Who wants a copy?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 09 December 2002 02:45 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. Hi John and all. I have a copy of the ZX9 manual on file (jpg format), the problem is the file is 7MEG! Most recipiants can't handle this size file and I'm stuck with not being able to send the file to those in need. Does anyone know how to place the file on the Naktalk ftp section? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Hughes [mailto:hughes at nswtf.org.au] Sent: Monday, 9 December 2002 12:52 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John. _____ This message may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in error please notify the New South Wales Teachers Federation immediately. 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Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 1:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. >> I recently purchased these 2 de cks and need a copy of an >> owners manual for each. Can anyone help please? John. > >Hi John and all. > > I have a copy of the ZX9 manual on file (jpg format), the > problem is the file is 7MEG! Most recipiants can't handle > this size file and I'm stuck with not being able to send the > file to those in need. Does anyone know how to place the file > on the Naktalk ftp section? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. Tom, I wonder if you can break this huge file down to a series of smaller files, by opening it in your image editor and saving each chunk separately. Most email systems allow files smaller than about 1MB. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Dec 9 22:59:57 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:59:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL SEALED FINAL PRICE References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DC9@MIS-EXCHANGE> Message-ID: <000b01c29fce$500f3b10$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Owners manuals for ZX-7 and BX-2. I recently purchased these 2 decks and need a copy of an owners manual for each. Can anyone help please ? John.61 bidders later the sealed 1000ZXL closed at: $2,596.15 New price was $3800.00 Goes to prove that our beloved decks don't appreciate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To locate a copy of a manual for a similar model - the 582, goto the following site and enter the details below... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Hope this helps. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Pateman [mailto:smp at wil.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2002 9:15 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] 581 Deck After years of wishing for a Nak, I have just bought a 581 in great condition. I am so happy. I would like to locate a manual if possible. Alternatively, can somone confirm that I should be adjusting the bias to 0 VU and then adjusting the level to 0 VU for each tape? Thanks Steven Pateman Partner Walker Insolvency Lawyers Direct Dial: (02) 8223 3503 The contents of this e-mail are confidential and are intended only for the named recipient. The material is subject to legal professional privilege. 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Name: Wallpaper.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3240 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smp at wil.com.au Tue Dec 10 00:06:08 2002 From: smp at wil.com.au (Steven Pateman) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:06:08 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2809 Message-ID: <735CDB5CF4C4D411818400D0B7A84A40265CDF@CEDRIC> Congratulations Steven, that's a great deck. To locate a copy of a manual for a similar model - the 582, goto the following site and enter the details below... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Hope this helps. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. THANKS EVER SO MUCH, TOM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Dec 10 01:22:50 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:22:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2809 (ZX-9 Manuals) Message-ID: Graham - Please figure out how to ftp upload that ZX-9 .pdf file to the Naks website. When you have that process identified, please share with us. I'll then upload the entire ZX-9 brochure, and a few other info related goodies onto the Naks website. Just curious, has anyone been in-touch with Wouter lately? Roland, a reply to your earlier post on the 1000ZXL is below. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:15:11 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Monday, December 9 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2809 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 13:59:57 -0800 >From: "Roland Alford" >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL SEALED FINAL PRICE > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > bidders later the sealed 1000ZXL closed at: > >$2,596.15 > >New price was $3800.00 > >Goes to prove that our beloved decks don't appreciate. =20 > Roland - What does $3,800 in year 2002 monies compare to $3,800 in 1980s monies? I'm assuming USD. A curious comparison, wouldn't you say??? Bleus > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2809 >****************************** > > ____________________________________________________________ Get 25MB of email storage with Lycos Mail Plus! Sign up today -- http://www.mail.lycos.com/brandPage.shtml?pageId=plus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 10 14:42:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:42:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL SEALED FINAL PRICE References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DC9@MIS-EXCHANGE> <000b01c29fce$500f3b10$05a2b742@rolandtthxyvvs> Message-ID: <3DF5EF46.D822B1B7@rcn.com> Amazing! The last 1000ZXL Special Edition fetched $2400. It was said to be in mint condition, with 'very little use'. -- Ron > Roland Alford wrote: > > 61 bidders later the sealed 1000ZXL closed at: > > $2,596.15 > > New price was $3800.00 > > Goes to prove that our beloved decks don't appreciate. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 10 14:48:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:48:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 581 Deck References: <735CDB5CF4C4D411818400D0B7A84A40265CDE@CEDRIC> Message-ID: <3DF5F0B5.DA7267D4@rcn.com> > Steven Pateman wrote: > > After years of wishing for a Nak, I have just bought a 581 in > great condition. I am so happy. I would like to locate a manual > if possible. Alternatively, can somone confirm that I should be > adjusting the bias to 0 VU and then adjusting the level to 0 VU > for each tape? You can download the 582 manual from naks.com. Until you do: adjust recording level to 0db. Then, adjust bias to 0db as the reading goes down. This means: as you increase bias, the reading will go up, pass 0db, then reach a peak, then go down again and pass 0db on the way down. That second 0db point is the correct point. -- Ron > > Thanks > > Steven Pateman > Partner > Walker Insolvency Lawyers > Direct Dial: (02) 8223 3503 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 10 14:56:58 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:56:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2809 (ZX-9 Manuals) References: Message-ID: <3DF5F2AA.A750EA07@rcn.com> The BlueSwapper wrote: >[........} > Roland - What does $3,800 in year 2002 monies compare to > $3,800 in 1980s monies? I'm assuming USD. > > A curious comparison, wouldn't you say??? > > Bleus > The consumer price index was up 67% from 1985 to 2002. This means that the 1000ZXL would cost new, today, $6346. Having sold for $2596, it has depreciated (in real terms) by 60%. I'd say this is pretty good, seeing that most any the (non-Nakamichi) deck has depreciated by 100%... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Dec 10 17:03:03 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 18:03:03 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: attn. El Magnifico Message-ID: Carlos, Please contact me! Did you get my messges and not only? Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 10 20:00:54 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:00:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2809 (ZX-9 Manuals) References: <3DF5F2AA.A750EA07@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3DF639E5.343275CE@earthlink.net> If I remember correctly, Albert Einstein was fascinated by the concept of compound interest. Supposedly, inflation has been kept in check in recent years. ha! Cheers, Jim Volpatti > "The consumer price index was up 67% from 1985 to 2002." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was at a party today, and someone was telling me that they used to have one? I know of Tandberg, Studer/Revox, Tascam/Teac, Pioneer, AKAI, etc., but never heard of one by Nakamichi. Can someone validate this for me? Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 11 04:03:41 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:03:41 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamich Reel-Reel ??? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DE1@MIS-EXCHANGE> Hi Stan. The only one that comes to mind is the Fidella made back in the fifties. HOLD THE PHONE GENTS!!! Have a look at this link... http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/nakamichi/home/open_deck/do cument.html#Fidela_11 Well well well! Nakamichi had a few reel to reel decks by the look of this page. Hope this has helped you out. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, 11 December 2002 1:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamich Reel-Reel ??? Has Nakamichi ever produced a Reel-to-reel deck? I was at a party today, and someone was telling me that they used to have one? I know of Tandberg, Studer/Revox, Tascam/Teac, Pioneer, AKAI, etc., but never heard of one by Nakamichi. Can someone validate this for me? Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 11 04:11:46 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 14:11:46 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Japanese Nakamichi reference site. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DE2@MIS-EXCHANGE> Stan, just having a further look at that site I've found some interesting photographs of professional/industrial nakamichi equipment. Follow this link... http://www.mmjp.or.jp/GRAVITON/nakamichi/gallery/index.html And click around to find some interesting pics. Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From turnerr at uncw.edu Mon Dec 16 20:37:33 2002 From: turnerr at uncw.edu (Turner, Randy) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 14:37:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL Message-ID: This deck has been in storage awahile and the play is slow. Was wondering what could be the cause. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wouter From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Dec 18 21:21:51 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:21:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Message-ID: <3E00D8DE.FFB1CC74@xs4all.nl> I just put the ZX9 ownersmanual on the site that Graham gave me a while ago (thanks Graham!). If you want to have your manual placed on the site please reply to me. Also other formats to be converted to pdf like jpg or tiff are welcome! Wouter From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Dec 18 21:41:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (jmtooley at ce.net) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 15:41:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Testing Message-ID: <1040244062.3e00dd5ec7acd@mail.ce.net> Testing. John From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Dec 18 22:06:47 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:06:47 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DF9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> My guess is that the capstains grease has harden up putting stain on the capstain motor. If the capstains spin freely then my second guess would be some components associated with the motor i.e. speed adjustment. Another guess is the power supply, is the motor receiving +12 volts? Are the lamps on the unit at their correct luminance? Hope this helps you out Randy. To all on Naktalk have a happy Christmas / Hanukkah / Ramadan (hope this is correct - no offence to the Muslim community if this is wrong) and stay well you hear :) Take care Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Turner, Randy [mailto:turnerr at uncw.edu] Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2002 6:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL This deck has been in storage awahile and the play is slow. Was wondering what could be the cause. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Dec 19 15:48:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:48:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201DF9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c2a76d$b8f91280$d4299bca@smarzuki> Message Hi Randy, Another guess: is your speed pitch trimpot working normal ? After some time in storage maybe you'd want to replace the main belt as well. Thanks for the holiday wishes Tom (although i'm a bit hurt from the mispelling =), likewise Merry Christmas and have a happy 2003 to all naksters. I thought everybody already gone for vacation when there was no mail this past week ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 4:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 700 ZXL My guess is that the capstains grease has harden up putting stain on the capstain motor. If the capstains spin freely then my second guess would be some components associated with the motor i.e. speed adjustment. Another guess is the power supply, is the motor receiving +12 volts? Are the lamps on the unit at their correct luminance? Hope this helps you out Randy. To all on Naktalk have a happy Christmas / Hanukkah / Ramadan (hope this is correct - no offence to the Muslim community if this is wrong) and stay well you hear :) Take care Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Turner, Randy [mailto:turnerr at uncw.edu] Sent: Tuesday, 17 December 2002 6:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL This deck has been in storage awahile and the play is slow. Was wondering what could be the cause. From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Dec 19 16:03:46 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:03:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak. 1000 or IMF Monitors? Message-ID: <00c701c2a76f$d4a53340$54106343@johnnyrotten> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1945872876 An interesting story here. Which would you rather have the Nakamichi 1000 or IMF's? A nice looking 1000 but at 450 Pounds, $675 starting, expensive! I wonder if Dr. Nakamichi had it breathed on or is it stock! 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Best regards from Spain Javier From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Dec 21 00:30:40 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 23:30:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Carver 4000T preamp and Audiolab 8000C pre-amp Message-ID: Hi, Can't help but notice things have been a bit quiet these days. So here's my contribution to see if anybody can help me......... Has anyone heard of the Carver 4000T pre-amp? What do you all think of it? I am not familiar with it so any information is most welcome. What is the sound quality like? How does it compare with the Audiolab 8000C? The reason I am asking is because I have an Audiolab 8000C and have been offered the Carver 8000T at a reasonable price and the best solution would be to test them side by side, but unfortunately I can't due to logistics. So am I going to be taking a step forward/upgrade or backward? TIA...... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sat Dec 21 18:59:35 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 18:59:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Bouncing email Message-ID: <3E04AC07.F68DD412@xs4all.nl> Hi Everyone! The Naks.com server is receiving loads of spam email, some of it even reached naktalk as you may have noticed. That's why today i have changed some of the settings in the server, so if this results in any problems you have with sending mail to the list please let me know. You also need to be member of the list to send mail to it, so the email address you send mail from must be a member of the list! Hope this helps Wouter From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 21 19:39:46 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:39:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] test Message-ID: <00c501c2a920$56739c20$53116343@johnnyrotten> test -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 21 19:46:19 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 13:46:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak. 1000 or IMF Monitors? Message-ID: <00da01c2a921$403623a0$53116343@johnnyrotten> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1945872876 An interesting story here. Which would you rather have the Nakamichi 1000 or IMF's? A nice looking 1000 but at 450 Pounds, $675 starting, expensive! I wonder if Dr. Nakamichi had it breathed on or is it stock! John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 21 20:30:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:30:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] UK NakList Members - OT In-Reply-To: <3E04AC07.F68DD412@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <00cf01c2a927$74a9d0e0$345587d9@oemcomputer> Any recommendations for Revox servicing in the UK? (Just picked up a B215 for what appears to be a silly price. Thinking I may well keep this on grounds of Revox parts being more easily obtainable than Nakamichi.) Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 From smoke at snip.net Sat Dec 21 20:53:12 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 14:53:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Carver 4000T preamp and Audiolab 8000C pre-amp References: Message-ID: <3E04C6A8.54636FDC@snip.net> Just trying out a response to you to see if NakTalk is working OK--See Wouter's recent e-mails to us. Based on what I recall about the Carver, it has some neat gimmicks--a noise reduction device (a scratch & tics remover) and I believe maybe a sonic hologram feature, but I suspect the sound quality will NOT be up to par with your AudioLab, probably by quite a bit. The noise reduction is nice for dirty or scratched records, but you'd probably be better off getting a record cleaning machine, perhaps the VPI. And if you don't play records, it's not going to do anything for you. Maybe some of the other NakTalkers can give you a more detailed response than this brief overview. Best regards, John winnie pooh wrote: > Hi, > > Can't help but notice things have been a bit quiet these days. So here's my > contribution to see if anybody can help me......... > > Has anyone heard of the Carver 4000T pre-amp? What do you all think of it? I > am not familiar with it so any information is most welcome. What is the > sound quality like? How does it compare with the Audiolab 8000C? The reason > I am asking is because I have an Audiolab 8000C and have been offered the > Carver 8000T at a reasonable price and the best solution would be to test > them side by side, but unfortunately I can't due to logistics. So am I going > to be taking a step forward/upgrade or backward? TIA...... > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= > http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Sat Dec 21 21:06:13 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:06:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bouncing email References: <3E04AC07.F68DD412@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3E04C9B4.A2CE1847@snip.net> Wouter, I just sent a reply to Winnie Pooh about his questions opn the Carver 4000T vs his AudioLab preamp, and the reply went to him rather than to the list. So I am sending this reply to you re your message about changing the NakTalk settings. Before I would just hit "reply" if I wanted to respond to a NakTalk posting and my reply would go out to NakTalk, NOT to the person who sent the original post. --Which is the way, I assume, you want it to be. So here in responding to your last posting, when I hit "reply", my response is going to your e-mail address on your message and NOT to NakTalk. Apparently if I want to send a reply to NakTalk now (with your new settings), I'd have to manually enter the "naktalk at naks.com" address and delete the sender's address. Here I have manually added the NakTalk address, BUT I have not deleted your address, so that you can see what is going on. Best regards, John m. Smokevitch Wouter Heijke wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > The Naks.com server is receiving loads of spam email, some of it even > reached naktalk as you may have noticed. > That's why today i have changed some of the settings in the server, so > if this results in any problems you have with sending mail to the list > please let me know. > You also need to be member of the list to send mail to it, so the email > address you send mail from must be a member of the list! > > Hope this helps > > Wouter > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Dec 21 21:18:14 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 20:18:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bouncing email In-Reply-To: <3E04C9B4.A2CE1847@snip.net> Message-ID: <00d501c2a92e$178b7380$345587d9@oemcomputer> Glad you pointed that out, John. Same thing happened for me. I thought my software was going wrong again! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Smokevitch > Sent: 21 December 2002 20:06 > To: Wouter Heijke; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bouncing email > > > Wouter, I just sent a reply to Winnie Pooh about his questions > opn the Carver 4000T vs > his AudioLab preamp, and the reply went to him rather than to the list. > > So I am sending this reply to you re your message about changing > the NakTalk settings. > > Before I would just hit "reply" if I wanted to respond to a > NakTalk posting and my reply > would go out to NakTalk, NOT to the person who sent the original > post. --Which is the > way, I assume, you want it to be. > > So here in responding to your last posting, when I hit "reply", > my response is going to > your e-mail address on your message and NOT to NakTalk. > Apparently if I want to send a > reply to NakTalk now (with your new settings), I'd have to > manually enter the > "naktalk at naks.com" address and delete the sender's address. > > Here I have manually added the NakTalk address, BUT I have not > deleted your address, so > that you can see what is going on. > > Best regards, > John m. Smokevitch > > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > > Hi Everyone! > > > > The Naks.com server is receiving loads of spam email, some of it even > > reached naktalk as you may have noticed. > > That's why today i have changed some of the settings in the server, so > > if this results in any problems you have with sending mail to the list > > please let me know. > > You also need to be member of the list to send mail to it, so the email > > address you send mail from must be a member of the list! > > > > Hope this helps > > > > Wouter > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 06/12/02 From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 22 01:08:20 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 00:08:20 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - New problems Message-ID: Hi all, especially John and Graham, I got both your messages as you anticipated. Don't know what the problem is with Wouter's server settings but thanks very much for your comments. If that's the case John, I think I'll pass on the opportunity with the Carver. As for Graham, sorry but I've no idea who does Revox decks in UK. I now have a new problem with my in car CD changer, a Nakamichi CDC-101 which is connected to my Nakamichi MTD-1. It was playing a CD halfway then suddenly decided to stop dead and I keep getting an error message that it cannot read the CD's anymore. Just before this for the past few days it has been more prone to skipping than ususal, so I strongly suspect the CD laser has gone kaput. Not sure though, but if anyone has any comments, I'll be pleased to hear them! I opened it up and found that it is based on a Sony CD changer mechanism, not sure which Sony model though. There are some proprietary Nak boards but the laser assembly is Sony. The part number is: KSM 160B-AN with the words 19X91 B514 written underneath. Also the CD spinning motor is RF 300C-11440 but no idea what this means. Does anyone have any idea where I can obtain the above replacement parts? I thought of contacting Sony but doubt if they will have it......Thanks very much for any help you can offer. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf From wheijke at xs4all.nl Sun Dec 22 13:07:10 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:07:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Manuals complete! Message-ID: <3E05AAED.266B9A24@xs4all.nl> In addition to the ZX9 ownersmanual i recently placed online i yesterday received the ZX9 servicemanual from Graham, Thanks Graham! So both are now online and available for download for those of you in need of them :-) Happy Holidays! Wouter From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Dec 22 23:22:35 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:22:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CDC-101 Message-ID: Hello all, Slightly OT again. My CDC-101 in car Nakamichi 10 disc CD changer has just decided to stop working and refuses to recognise all discs. Suspect probably laser kaput. I know this is an OEM Nakamichi because it is really a Sony underneath and as it is about 10 years? old, not sure what is best thing to do. Anybody know anything about this CD changer? How do I go about trying to get parts and fix it? Any information much appreciated. Oh, thanks Ron, for the weblink for my Carver question, I had done exactly that before posting and wanted to know if anyone had any direct experience of it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_advancedjmf_3mf From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Dec 23 10:07:17 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 04:07:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 owners manual Message-ID: <3194741E.696E41E7.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Javier, I have owner's manual for ZX-9 (printed version). What is the problem? Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ From Fong656 at cs.com Mon Dec 23 15:35:27 2002 From: Fong656 at cs.com (Fong656 at cs.com) Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 09:35:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Onkyo-TA 2035 Message-ID: <122.1c602f2b.2b38792f@cs.com> Does anyone know how to set the accubias on a Onkyo TA 2035? Thanks, Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rjkent at attbi.com Tue Dec 24 17:39:36 2002 From: rjkent at attbi.com (Robert Kent) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:39:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com ftp site Message-ID: In a recent string regarding manuals, I read a reference to downloadable technical information possible being available at the Naks.com ftp site. Can anyone supply a URL and/or other access information for this site? rjkent From wheijke at xs4all.nl Tue Dec 24 22:36:13 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 22:36:13 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Support site update References: Message-ID: <3E08D34D.60FA809C@xs4all.nl> I've just changed the login for the support site: http://support.naks.com/support username: naktalk password: dragon Enjoy! Wouter Robert Kent wrote: > In a recent string regarding manuals, I read a reference to downloadable technical information > possible being available at the Naks.com ftp site. Can anyone supply a URL and/or other access > information for this site? > > rjkent > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From adamyh at mac.com Thu Dec 26 13:52:59 2002 From: adamyh at mac.com (Adam Yousuf) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:52:59 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Question Message-ID: Hi everyone, I've had my Dragon for the last 2 years. It has been working perfectly fine until this week. Maybe it's the cold weather but whenever I do a Bias Calibration, I hear a slight whirring or electrical sound from the deck (not the speakers). When I do Level Calibration it's silent (there is a tone on the speakers but when I turn the Output to the lowest setting, there is no 'noise' like when I do a Bias Calibration. I did not notice it before and Bias Calibration is very tough now and I need to turn the Bias way up for the indicators to reach the Calibration level on the LEDs. I wonder if any of you have faced this issue or have knowledge on why this is happening and what I need to do to fix this? Thanks. Hope you all had a Merry X'mas and have a great New Years! Adam From nicy at ya.com Thu Dec 26 22:45:19 2002 From: nicy at ya.com (JGascon) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:45:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 service manual Message-ID: <006d01c2ad28$163d2c00$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Hi, I would need the service manual of the CR4. Anybody out there could help me? Thanks. Javier From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Dec 27 00:38:39 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 18:38:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 service manual References: <006d01c2ad28$163d2c00$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <3E0B92FF.EAC648B5@rcn.com> The schematic is available on the Naks support site. -- Ron JGascon wrote: > > Hi, I would need the service manual of the CR4. Anybody out there could help > me? > Thanks. > Javier > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Dec 27 00:44:41 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:44:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR4 service manual References: <006d01c2ad28$163d2c00$8f2b3b50@PcComunero> Message-ID: <001a01c2ad38$c924ef50$9e3cbbd4@colossus> JGascon wrote: > Hi, I would need the service manual of the CR4. Anybody out there > could help me? http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ username: naktalk password: dragon Maurits From jmueller4 at earthlink.net Fri Dec 27 06:10:57 2002 From: jmueller4 at earthlink.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:10:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Searching for Stephen Sank Message-ID: <003101c2ad66$57cf7b80$80c261d8@primeevil> I haven't seen a post from Stephen in quite some time. Anyone know if he's still servicing our favorite machines and/or his contact information? Thanks! From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Dec 27 06:51:35 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:51:35 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Searching for Stephen Sank Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201E21@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Jim. Stephen has been extremely busy lately thus his abscense from Naktalk. He still services our beloved Naks, his contact details are as follows... Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Mueller [mailto:jmueller4 at earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, 27 December 2002 4:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Searching for Stephen Sank I haven't seen a post from Stephen in quite some time. Anyone know if he's still servicing our favorite machines and/or his contact information? Thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Dec 27 18:25:33 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:25:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Searching for Stephen Sank References: <003101c2ad66$57cf7b80$80c261d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <010e01c2adcc$f683ed90$64116343@johnnyrotten> Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111] (temporarily using home address, due to imminent shop move) 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Mueller" To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 12:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Searching for Stephen Sank > I haven't seen a post from Stephen in quite some time. Anyone know if he's > still servicing our favorite machines and/or his contact information? > > Thanks! > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Dec 27 19:11:53 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:11:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! Message-ID: <3E0C97E9.21CE7F75@xs4all.nl> Now online the ZX9 brochure, thanks to Mr. Blues himself! I left the files as i got them in jpg format, a pdf file would increase the filesize dramatically! If there is more interest in brochures let me know, then i'll start scanning my own Nak brochures... Wouter From jota9 at email.si Fri Dec 27 20:02:41 2002 From: jota9 at email.si (Jota) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:02:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! - CR-7 service manual wanted References: <3E0C97E9.21CE7F75@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000801c2addc$98fca620$ba08fad5@dusan> Wouter, I'm looking for CR-7 Service Manual - do you have it? I'd be very happy to see it scanned one on Naks.com Jota ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! > Now online the ZX9 brochure, thanks to Mr. Blues himself! > I left the files as i got them in jpg format, a pdf file would increase > the filesize dramatically! > If there is more interest in brochures let me know, then i'll start > scanning my own Nak brochures... > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From cestmoi at worldnet.att.net Fri Dec 27 22:35:08 2002 From: cestmoi at worldnet.att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 14:35:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Searching for Stephen Sank In-Reply-To: <003101c2ad66$57cf7b80$80c261d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20021227143359.027820c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> He's still repairing the machines; I finally got a call from him three days ago--my MR-1 is ready at last! Richard At 12:10 AM 12/27/02 -0500, you wrote: >I haven't seen a post from Stephen in quite some time. Anyone know if he's >still servicing our favorite machines and/or his contact information? > >Thanks! Richard Obenauf cestmoi at att.net +1 505 220 0506 From telefunkenfan at terra.com Sat Dec 28 06:54:45 2002 From: telefunkenfan at terra.com (Salguero NEstor) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:54:45 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Help! Need Spring Loaded Rec/Play head screw on Nak LX-3 Message-ID: Hi! I just joined your list. I have always been a fan of Nakamichi decks. Never could afford them back in the old days tho! Being a Nak fan, I could not let pass a great deal on a Nak LX-3 deck at a local thrift shop. I brought it home. I find the deck needs a new spring loaded set screw for the main playback/recording head. Can anyone provide me with information on how to get this screw? Is this a specialized or generic part? Thanks in advance. Nestor San Diego CA ___________________________________________________ TERRA ROCK - La primera comunidad latina de Rock http://www.terra.com/ocio/musica/terrarock From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Dec 28 13:17:26 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:17:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! References: <3E0C97E9.21CE7F75@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <002f01c2ae6b$1b2aaaf0$0200a7c0@AsusT533> hoi Wouter ik heb nog altijd service manuals van nakamichi's die niet op de site staan. Ik kan ze je niet mailen omdat ze te groot zijn. Kan je mij niet tiijdelijk ergens toegang geven op je server? groeten Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Heijke" To: Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 7:11 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! > Now online the ZX9 brochure, thanks to Mr. Blues himself! > I left the files as i got them in jpg format, a pdf file would increase > the filesize dramatically! > If there is more interest in brochures let me know, then i'll start > scanning my own Nak brochures... > > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Dec 28 14:42:57 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:42:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! References: <3E0C97E9.21CE7F75@xs4all.nl> <002f01c2ae6b$1b2aaaf0$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Message-ID: <018001c2ae77$07a6ac20$9e3cbbd4@colossus> norman van wijnen wrote: > hoi Wouter > > ik heb nog altijd service manuals van nakamichi's die niet op de site > staan. Ik kan ze je niet mailen omdat ze te groot zijn. Kan je mij > niet tiijdelijk ergens toegang geven op je server? > > groeten > > Norman Maybe Norman can't write in english so I do a brief translation. Hi Wouter, I want to mail manuals but they are too big. Can I have temporary access to your server? Maurits (LX-5) From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Dec 28 15:45:39 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:45:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! References: <3E0C97E9.21CE7F75@xs4all.nl> <002f01c2ae6b$1b2aaaf0$0200a7c0@AsusT533> <018001c2ae77$07a6ac20$9e3cbbd4@colossus> Message-ID: <000801c2ae7f$d1d8ef50$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi guys sorry, i thought i wrote a message to Wouter's adress , but it was on naktalk but the translation was right greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:42 Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX9 Brochure online! > norman van wijnen wrote: > > hoi Wouter > > > > ik heb nog altijd service manuals van nakamichi's die niet op de site > > staan. Ik kan ze je niet mailen omdat ze te groot zijn. Kan je mij > > niet tiijdelijk ergens toegang geven op je server? > > > > groeten > > > > Norman > > > Maybe Norman can't write in english so I do a brief translation. > > Hi Wouter, > > I want to mail manuals but they are too big. Can I have temporary access to > your server? > > > Maurits (LX-5) > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From tominoh at alltel.net Sat Dec 28 17:47:14 2002 From: tominoh at alltel.net (Tom Mitchell) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:47:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 & 250 Message-ID: I bought an LX-3 new in the mid 80's that's been in storage for most of it's life and it's not currently working. I have many, many tapes made when the deck was newer from mostly audiophile quality lp's (1st play) and I would like to use them. My dilemna is to repair the deck or buy another one. I need advice from someone who has more experience than I. First of all I don't mean to ask anyone for a primer on Naks, so if there is somewhere I can go to learn about the subjects I will ask about I would appreciate someone sending me a link. Failing that, I would appreciate anyone's opinion who's willing to take the time to answer me. Here goes: My tapes are mostly TDK SA-90's. They are approaching 20 years old. Are they still useable? The last time I tried to use them it seemed they were flaking and causing me to clean the heads pretty often. Is there some way, some device, to clean the tapes? The deck. I had it to a high-end audio shop in S Florida 4 years ago and they replaced all the rubber parts and adjusted it. I used it only a few times after that before I put it back in storage for two years. The next time I tried to use it, I had no signal to the outputs. The meters move like there's an internal signal, but nothing comes out. The question is... Do I get it repaired again or give up and buy another deck? If I get it repaired, who do I send it to? I'm in Columbus Ohio now. If I don't get it repaired... Is there a reasonably priced non-Nak deck available that can do justice to the tapes I have? If no... Which vintage Nak is reasonably priced and can play the tapes well. I also have a Nak 250... also purchased new. Is that worth anything to anyone? Tom in Ohio From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Dec 28 18:14:39 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 12:14:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 & 250 References: Message-ID: <009101c2ae94$9b3d16a0$81106343@johnnyrotten> This is a great Nak. site. http://www.naks.com/ John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Mitchell" To: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 11:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 & 250 > I bought an LX-3 new in the mid 80's that's been in storage for most of it's > life and it's not currently working. I have many, many tapes made when the > deck was newer from mostly audiophile quality lp's (1st play) and I would > like to use them. My dilemna is to repair the deck or buy another one. I > need advice from someone who has more experience than I. > > First of all I don't mean to ask anyone for a primer on Naks, so if there is > somewhere I can go to learn about the subjects I will ask about I would > appreciate someone sending me a link. Failing that, I would appreciate > anyone's opinion who's willing to take the time to answer me. Here goes: > > My tapes are mostly TDK SA-90's. They are approaching 20 years old. Are > they still useable? The last time I tried to use them it seemed they were > flaking and causing me to clean the heads pretty often. Is there some way, > some device, to clean the tapes? > > The deck. I had it to a high-end audio shop in S Florida 4 years ago and > they replaced all the rubber parts and adjusted it. I used it only a few > times after that before I put it back in storage for two years. The next > time I tried to use it, I had no signal to the outputs. The meters move > like there's an internal signal, but nothing comes out. The question is... > Do I get it repaired again or give up and buy another deck? > > If I get it repaired, who do I send it to? I'm in Columbus Ohio now. > > If I don't get it repaired... Is there a reasonably priced non-Nak deck > available that can do justice to the tapes I have? If no... Which vintage > Nak is reasonably priced and can play the tapes well. > > I also have a Nak 250... also purchased new. Is that worth anything to > anyone? > > Tom in Ohio > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Dec 28 20:29:13 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:29:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 & 250: Tom Message-ID: Hi Tom, I have far less knowledge than some of the guys on this site, but I would venture to say on or two things that may be of value. Without doubt, John Tooley is right. Head straight to Naks.com for Nakology 101 and lots more. The next point is, it certainly would be worthwhile getting the LX-3 going, which is arguably the best of the 2-head Naks. It's hardy (well, usually!), stylish and has the genuine Nak dual capstan mechanism which can't be beaten. It's relatisve simplicity also counts in it's favour from a viewpoint of future maintenance. It's quite likely to be small issues at stake here - and possibly belts again. The absolute best option for you, even though up in Ohio is to get your get deck down to Stephen Sank in Alberquerque. Although he is so busy he hasn't raised his head in months, he would be a first choice for getting your machine into new condition. Some claim "better than new" condition is par for the course with him. I attach his contact info below. Your TDK SA tapes should be fine, I would have thought. Perhaps not quite as tough as Maxell UD XLs and XLII of the same era (20 years ago) but not far off. My Sony UC-X type IIs also seem really good. Tapes in storage need the same things as wine: cool, dark and dry. Perhaps not quite the same as wine because they sure don't like dust!! I have heard of flaking on some very early reel-to-rele tapes before where the binders used to adhere the oxide particles to the polyester starts to degrade, but this is not common. My SA of the same vintage sound splendid. Of course, always wind your tapes to either end-stop before you pack it away. I'm sure you've done that though. Keep the 250 too and perhaps have Mr Sank look at it when you have the inclination. Herewith his details: *************************** Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 **************************** Incidently, if you are sending your beloved Nak across the country, double box with stacks of bubble-wrap and insure fully. Stephen Sank has served us numerous terrifying anecdotes of postal care and efficience. DHL and FedEx are not much better. Good luck, Marc >>> tominoh at alltel.net 12/28/02 06:47PM >>> I bought an LX-3 new in the mid 80's that's been in storage for most of it's life and it's not currently working. I have many, many tapes made when the deck was newer from mostly audiophile quality lp's (1st play) and I would like to use them. My dilemna is to repair the deck or buy another one. I need advice from someone who has more experience than I. First of all I don't mean to ask anyone for a primer on Naks, so if there is somewhere I can go to learn about the subjects I will ask about I would appreciate someone sending me a link. Failing that, I would appreciate anyone's opinion who's willing to take the time to answer me. Here goes: My tapes are mostly TDK SA-90's. They are approaching 20 years old. Are they still useable? The last time I tried to use them it seemed they were flaking and causing me to clean the heads pretty often. Is there some way, some device, to clean the tapes? The deck. I had it to a high-end audio shop in S Florida 4 years ago and they replaced all the rubber parts and adjusted it. I used it only a few times after that before I put it back in storage for two years. The next time I tried to use it, I had no signal to the outputs. The meters move like there's an internal signal, but nothing comes out. The question is... Do I get it repaired again or give up and buy another deck? If I get it repaired, who do I send it to? I'm in Columbus Ohio now. If I don't get it repaired... Is there a reasonably priced non-Nak deck available that can do justice to the tapes I have? If no... Which vintage Nak is reasonably priced and can play the tapes well. I also have a Nak 250... also purchased new. Is that worth anything to anyone? 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From jamesbakner at yahoo.com Sun Dec 29 13:52:59 2002 From: jamesbakner at yahoo.com (James bakner) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:52:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 614 and 613 and more Message-ID: <20021229125259.59814.qmail@web40304.mail.yahoo.com> This is a reply to Javier Perez in August. I have a NAD 613, which I think is similar to the 614, just different face plates and controls. I mostly record FM radio broadcasts: Acoustic music and the blues on TDK "D" tapes with the Dolby OFF. Playbacks of the recorded radio are nearly identical sounding to the origional. When I record CDs, I can notice a loss of dynamics and punch from recordings as compared to the origional. Unless the music is piano or classical, I record with Dolby OFF. Speaking of piano and classical, the sound is stable enough not to detract from the enjoyment of the music (I am referring to "wow and flutter"). Prerecorded cassettes sound very good, and old cassettes that were recorded when I was in High school in the eighties sound better than I remember them. Those old cassettes would have been recorded on one of three unremarkable Kenwood cassette decks the family had then, with Dolby ON. I always thought the tapes recorded and on those old Kenwood cassette decks sounded a little "flat". My Dad and I always had better component systems than most of our friends, but I would not consider them Audiophile systems. I bought The NAD on the spot at a pawn shop a few years ago because it had a "Play Trim" control. With te play trim knob, the sound of a cassette can be "brightened" a little, especially if it was recorded with Dolby ON. However, the tape still sounds natural to me, even turning the play trim from the 12 o'clock position to the three o'clock position. Merely turning up the treble on the amplifier sounds unnatural. Turning the Dolby Off on a Dolby recorded tape also brightens the sound, but that makes the sound way too bright. Buying that NAD 613 brought the fun back into cassettes for me, you might say..... I got a computer over a year ago, and then a while after that, I discovered E bay....I bought a Yamaha with Play trim (KX-250) for around twenty bucks. It sounds good, not quite as good as the NAD, but better than the decks I had in the eighties. I bought a NAD 6340 with Play trim. This deck, when I could get it to play, only played for a few seconds. I have not taken it apart yet, and I did not give the seller a rough time, since I only paid about twenty dollars for this deck. Then I bought another Yamaha, KX R470, again with Play Trim. This deck has Auto Reverse; from laziness point of view, It is nice not to have to turn the tape around when I am recording. Play and Record are good in both directions; This deck seems to have a little more "punch" in the sound than the other two decks. I listen to it more than the NAD. (My wife still only plays the NAD; There are less buttons to figure out). Tapes recorded on any of the three machines sound good when played back on any of the other machines. However make no mistake, When recording a CD and then playing back the recording, You can tell it is a recording. The sound is very good, but you can tell it is not the origional. I have noticed that used cassette decks of all kinds and conditions are going cheap on E bay. At least, way cheaper than I remember them when I read "Stereo Review" and visited stereo stores in the eighties. E bay is the great flea market in cyberspace, it has "all the stuff I used to want" as my sister puts it........ Which brings me to the topic of Nakamichi..... My friends and I knew about Nakamichi when we were growing up, swapping tapes; We knew they were supposed to be the best, but none of us then actually thought we would ever own one. So, the other week on E bay, instead of typing in NAD or Yamaha, the only two brands that have "play trim" on their cassette decks, I typed in Nakamichi, and followed some of the auctions. Sure, the Dragons and CR7s were commanding high prices, but there were lots of other models cheap.... cheap especially compared to prices I remembered from the eighties....In Fact, some of those high end Nakamichis did not sell the first time around, not enough cassette deck buyers in this "modern age" I guess. Reading the descriptions for the Nak decks, I found this web site and discussion page. So, the first Nakamichi I won is a DR3 model for just over $100.00. Doing a little reaserch, this model supposedly has the gear drive idler wheel installed from the factory. Next week, I hope to do a report back on the sound of this Nakamichi compared to the NAD. In case you are wondering, My amplifier is a 1983 model Yamaha A-700 and my speakers are Cambers (I do not know the model - Made in Canada, 7" woofers) Have any of you ever heard of "Camber"? They are now out of business. They are actually another E bay purchase. My origional pair (which I still have), I had to rubber cement the woofer to the rubber surround, and they still sounded excellent. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Dec 29 17:20:03 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:20:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-3 & 250 References: Message-ID: <3E0F20B3.8A6752B2@rcn.com> Tom Mitchell wrote: > > I bought an LX-3 new in the mid 80's that's been in storage for most of it's > life and it's not currently working. I have many, many tapes made when the > deck was newer from mostly audiophile quality lp's (1st play) and I would > like to use them. My dilemna is to repair the deck or buy another one. I > need advice from someone who has more experience than I. > > First of all I don't mean to ask anyone for a primer on Naks, so if there is > somewhere I can go to learn about the subjects I will ask about I would > appreciate someone sending me a link. http://www.naks.com > Failing that, I would appreciate > anyone's opinion who's willing to take the time to answer me. > Here goes: > > My tapes are mostly TDK SA-90's. They are approaching 20 years old. Are > they still useable? The last time I tried to use them it seemed they were > flaking and causing me to clean the heads pretty often. Is there some way, > some device, to clean the tapes? I have many SA-90 tapes from the 70s - 80s. They are all usable and sound great. > The deck. I had it to a high-end audio shop in S Florida 4 years ago and > they replaced all the rubber parts and adjusted it. I used it only a few > times after that before I put it back in storage for two years. The next > time I tried to use it, I had no signal to the outputs. The meters move > like there's an internal signal, but nothing comes out. The question is... > Do I get it repaired again or give up and buy another deck? The LX-3 is certainly worth repairing. If the meters move, it is unlikely the fault is in the transport or heads. > If I get it repaired, who do I send it to? I'm in Columbus Ohio now. I've had excellent work from Stephen sank, at reasonable cost. If you are not in too much of a hurry (Stephen is always very busy), I recommend him highly. Contact: Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 > If I don't get it repaired... Is there a reasonably priced non-Nak deck > available that can do justice to the tapes I have? Tapes made on Naks tend to sound best when played back on a Nak. > If no... Which vintage Nak is reasonably priced and can play the tapes well. BX-300s go on ebay for $120 to $200, depending on condition and luck. They should sound marginally better and make better recordings than the LX-3. The CR-4 and CR-5 are even better, at progressively higher prices. Cassette decks will give better service if used from time to time. When stored for long periods, rubber parts tend to harden and grease dries up, making moving parts stick. Also, capacitors go bad. In normal use, cassette decks should be cleaned and demagnetized (by the user) every 10 to 25 hours of play and serviced (by a tech or savvy user) every 1 to 2 years. -- Ron > I also have a Nak 250... also purchased new. Is that worth anything to > anyone? > > Tom in Ohio From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Dec 30 09:22:36 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:22:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 614 and 613 and more: JAMES Message-ID: Hi James I hope you enjoy your DR3 and congats on the auction. Never mind that it is not a dual cap, three header. It will still have many of the desirable Nak hallmarks. I always have thought the "Cassette Deck" and "DR" family have a very real, uncoloured sound - and are a bit diffferent to the mid-eighties machines, but not in a bad way. I have a brief review of the DR3 from What Hi-Fi. If you would like a copy, please post your postal address and it will be sent. I would encourage you to treat your DR3 to a diet of chrome and, if you can manage it (and find them) metal tapes. The humble TDK "D" is a respectable enough type 1, with good consistency and durability characteristics, but if you have a critical ear, or for that matter, a special piece of music to record, your Nak will return generous dividends on demanding formulations. Although your experience with other machines such as NAD, Kenwood and Yamaha may have revealed disappointing results with Dolby NR, do not hesitate to use them on a Nakamichi. The record/replay losses are, unlike with pratically all other brands, zero or close to zero. This is one thing that makes Nakamichi very special and quite possibly why they never bothered with Dolby "S". If your selection is some raunchy blues or energetic pop, then setting your levels a bit higher and recording without dolby will give a little bit more freedom in the mid-range. Classical, much jazz and etherial new age styles benefit from the use of Dolby C which have the effect of increasing your dynamic range to around 70dB. For practical purposes, this is excellent, and while not matching the 100dB or so typical of compact disc, easily replicates the typical dynamics you would experience at a live music venue. The crystalloy heads of Nakamichi are able to handle more level than other heads, without compression. To what extent this is possible is something you will need to experiment with. But try a TDK MA and give yourself a surprise. The more esoteric metals like TDK MA-XG and That's Metal Suono, due to double coatings, and sometimes reverse coatings, can take punishing levels without audible distortion or compression. My personal experience with Sony Metal XR, is that it is an exception to this rule, but is still a very desirable tape. The NAD 613 and 614 were surprisingly bright and breezy sounding machines. Quite stable too. It's just as well you did "No Dolby" recordings with those machines in retrospect. Play trim is a clever control - both NAD and Yamaha have featured it for years and I must agree having played with my fathers KX-393, it is far superior than turning the treble control. Still, it is an electronic intervention that attempts to correct on the one hand, an electronic problem (incompatible Dolby encode and replay performance) and on the other hand a mechanical problem (azimuth errors). Nakamichi's approach was to attack the issue of azimuth related headroom losses more directly, in the mechanical domain, as you may know already. On Dolby, their chips seem to be the best available, quite simply. The earlier NADs like the 6050C (1984) were more purist and did not have this play trim feature. On the sound differences between CD and cassette, you can look forward to improvements in this area. The better three head Naks will make recordings that are hard to tell from the source. Even two head Naks feature much higher head saturation levels than other brands, with a very high signal purity. Deep controlled bass, informative free-breathing midband and sparkling treble, that even on headphones will all but match the source. The main difference between CD and other sources is dynamic range. Bear in mind that when replicating a live music environment in the home, you would not be standing in the orchestra pit or standing next to the speakers (the dynamic equivalent of the soundboard recording, but with appropriate reduction is sound pressure levels). Therefore, 100dB dynamic ranges are "real" in one sense and not in the least "realistic" in another. At close quarters, say 2-3,5m listening range, 60-70dB is much closer to replicating the live experience. Ensure your cables are nice thick OFC ones to ensure low signal loss. Good luck with your new DR3. Regards, Marc >>> jamesbakner at yahoo.com 12/29/02 02:52PM >>> This is a reply to Javier Perez in August. 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From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Dec 30 17:36:22 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:06:22 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] opinions on NAD 614 and 613 and more: JAMES Message-ID: <20021230163622.E19C1114942@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Mon Dec 30 21:06:39 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:06:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! Message-ID: <3E10A74E.F2A23700@xs4all.nl> I just placed the LX5 and the Dragon service manuals online, provided by Norman, thanks! The Dragon manual is an improved version of the one that was already present on the server. Hope this helps someone ;-) Happy New Year Everyone! Wouter From telefunkenfan at terra.com Tue Dec 31 00:50:03 2002 From: telefunkenfan at terra.com (Salguero NEstor) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:50:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! Message-ID: Hi Wouter, I was wondering if you have the LX-3 manual online. And how do I access the server? Kind regards, Nestor J Salguero San Diego, California -- En la fecha Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:06:39 Wouter Heijke escribió: > >I just placed the LX5 and the Dragon service manuals online, provided by >Norman, thanks! >The Dragon manual is an improved version of the one that was already >present on the server. >Hope this helps someone ;-) > >Happy New Year Everyone! > >Wouter > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ___________________________________________________ TERRA ROCK - La primera comunidad latina de Rock http://www.terra.com/ocio/musica/terrarock From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Dec 31 01:01:07 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:01:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! References: Message-ID: <023d01c2b05f$b8507ee0$9e3cbbd4@colossus> Salguero NEstor wrote: > And how do I access the server? Reading older messages in Naktalk from dec 27 2002 > JGascon wrote: > Hi, I would need the service manual of the CR4. Anybody out there > could help me? http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ username: naktalk password: dragon Maurits From m.raven at chello.nl Tue Dec 31 01:24:16 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:24:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! References: <3E10A74E.F2A23700@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <029901c2b062$f3ef3920$9e3cbbd4@colossus> Wouter Heijke wrote: > I just placed the LX5 and the Dragon service manuals online, provided > by Norman, thanks! I'm afraid it's just a small piece of the original service manual of the LX-5. No schematic diagrams at all. Maurits From telefunkenfan at terra.com Tue Dec 31 06:48:36 2002 From: telefunkenfan at terra.com (Salguero NEstor) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:48:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! Message-ID: Thank you! Nestor -- En la fecha Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:01:07 Maurits escribió: >Salguero NEstor wrote: >> And how do I access the server? > >Reading older messages in Naktalk from dec 27 2002 > > >> JGascon wrote: >> Hi, I would need the service manual of the CR4. Anybody out there >> could help me? > > >http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ > > >username: naktalk >password: dragon > > >Maurits > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist >To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ___________________________________________________ TERRA ROCK - La primera comunidad latina de Rock http://www.terra.com/ocio/musica/terrarock From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Dec 31 07:48:10 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 08:48:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan Message-ID: Hi James (Linen), Welcome to the group (with your RX-505 and TD1000 car unit). Sorry about that - it was meant for (I think) James Bakner. I'm sure he'll surface in due course - you know, it's the time of year - people are in the office for a day, out ofr two etc. But equally warm welcome to you with your fine hardware. We all lament on the rarity of seeing those Nak car units for sale. Thanks for your kind words Kannan. I hope all is well in India. I think you've spent a fair amount of time away from home this year if I'm not mistaken (mainly north Amnerica?). What do you do for music on the move? Cheers, Marc The information contained in this email is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege. The content of this email, which may include one or more attachments, is strictly confidential, and is intended solely for the use of the named recipient/s. If you are not the intended recipient, you cannot use, copy, distribute, disclose or retain the email or any part of its contents or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this email in error, please email the sender by replying to this message and to permanently delete it and all attachments from your computer. All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Tue Dec 31 12:27:45 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:27:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! References: <3E10A74E.F2A23700@xs4all.nl> <029901c2b062$f3ef3920$9e3cbbd4@colossus> Message-ID: <001001c2b0bf$a3cc6a00$0200a7c0@AsusT533> Hi guys, yes its only a part of the LX5 manual. I don't have the original manual at this moment so i can't scan de schematics part of it. If there is someone who has that part scanned, please send it to me then i would make the LX5 pdf complete. greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 1:24 Subject: Re: [naktalk] LX5 & Dragon service manuals online! > Wouter Heijke wrote: > > I just placed the LX5 and the Dragon service manuals online, provided > > by Norman, thanks! > > > I'm afraid it's just a small piece of the original service manual of the > LX-5. No schematic diagrams at all. > > > Maurits > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 31 16:53:58 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 10:53:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <000e01c2b0e4$d4dc61c0$13116343@johnnyrotten> I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naktalk at email.si Tue Dec 31 17:19:41 2002 From: naktalk at email.si (Dusan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:19:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E Message-ID: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> Hi, I'm new to this list. First of all, I would like to send everyone many greetings form Slovenija. I think I'm the first slovenian subscriber to this list. I have found a used CR-7E deck at some german delaler's homepage. He wants 500 Euros for it. He says it's in excellent shape and it is 8 years old. Do you think it is worth 500 Euros? If you don't mind, I would like to get some more info about this deck and I would appreciate your help. Can someone tell me when has Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production. Do you think tha 8 years old CR-7 already has gear upgrade? Do yu have any idea where could I get service manual for CR-7? Thank you very much and Happy New Year to you all! Dusan From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 31 17:54:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:54:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <00be01c2b0ed$385e7f50$13116343@johnnyrotten> Dusan, Welcome Slovenian Nak. friend. Take a look around at the address below. http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ username: naktalk password: dragon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E > Hi, > > I'm new to this list. First of all, I would like to send everyone many > greetings form Slovenija. I think I'm the first slovenian subscriber to this > list. > > I have found a used CR-7E deck at some german delaler's homepage. He wants > 500 Euros for it. He says it's in excellent shape and it is 8 years old. > > Do you think it is worth 500 Euros? If you don't mind, I would like to get > some more info about this deck and I would appreciate your help. > > Can someone tell me when has Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production. Do you think > tha 8 years old CR-7 already has gear upgrade? Do yu have any idea where > could I get service manual for CR-7? > > Thank you very much and Happy New Year to you all! > > Dusan > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From roleo at telus.net Tue Dec 31 18:11:49 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 09:11:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <002701c2b0ef$b4baab80$05a2b742@desktop> In response to your question regarding the CR-7, here is some info from Stephen Sank who has serviced many of these decks: Below serial number A130-10500, the gear upgrade is likely to be needed (if it hasn't been done), and below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification procedures would be needed. It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side of the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been corrected. In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com ftp site. Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ Username: naktalk Password: dragon Go to the bottom of the list to download "gearmod.pdf". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 31 18:54:23 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:54:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: Message-ID: <017101c2b0f5$a7952240$13116343@johnnyrotten> Great Eric, thank you. I just d/l DBPOWERAMP for Windows 2000 hoping it's XP compatible. Yes burner is Plextor 40/12/40A. I'm sure I'll be bugging you some more. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the record options. I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your PC. For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility that is included in the Roxio package. Convert the WAV to the MP3 (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From naktalk at email.si Tue Dec 31 18:54:33 2002 From: naktalk at email.si (Dusan) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:54:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <002701c2b0ef$b4baab80$05a2b742@desktop> Message-ID: <000901c2b0f5$addfda00$c505fad5@dusan> I suppose those numbers are for the A-type CR-7s made for American market. Do you know how is it with European series - CR-7E? Regards Dusan ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E > In response to your question regarding the CR-7, here is some info from > Stephen Sank who has serviced many of these decks: > > Below serial number A130-10500, the gear upgrade is likely to be needed (if > it hasn't been done), and below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the > record eq correction modification procedures would be needed. > > It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove > the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side of > the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC > labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of > unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these > two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, > but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been > corrected. > > In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the > machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. > > The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear > upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com > ftp site. > > Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ > > Username: naktalk > > Password: dragon > > Go to the bottom of the list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Dec 31 19:09:44 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 23:39:44 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan Message-ID: <20021231180944.76FA41149C5@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 31 19:18:44 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:18:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <002701c2b0ef$b4baab80$05a2b742@desktop> <000901c2b0f5$addfda00$c505fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <01a401c2b0f9$0fb54b40$13116343@johnnyrotten> Good question but I bet they are almost the same machine with "E" being Europe and "s" being States. Component details and numbering should still apply. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dusan" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E > I suppose those numbers are for the A-type CR-7s made for American market. > Do you know how is it with European series - CR-7E? > > Regards > > Dusan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roland Alford > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E > > > > In response to your question regarding the CR-7, here is some info from > > Stephen Sank who has serviced many of these decks: > > > > Below serial number A130-10500, the gear upgrade is likely to be needed > (if > > it hasn't been done), and below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the > > record eq correction modification procedures would be needed. > > > > It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove > > the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side > of > > the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC > > labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of > > unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these > > two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, > > but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been > > corrected. > > > > In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the > > machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. > > > > The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the > "gear > > upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com > > ftp site. > > > > Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ > > > > Username: naktalk > > > > Password: dragon > > > > Go to the bottom of the list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Tue Dec 31 19:50:42 2002 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:50:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: You're welcome Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Great Eric, thank you. I just d/l DBPOWERAMP for Windows 2000 hoping it's XP compatible. Yes burner is Plextor 40/12/40A. I'm sure I'll be bugging you some more. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the record options. I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your PC. For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility that is included in the Roxio package. Convert the WAV to the MP3 (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Tue Dec 31 20:06:58 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:06:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan In-Reply-To: <20021231180944.76FA41149C5@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000901c2b0ff$caffb560$1901000a@c994264e> Kannan, you are very close to nearby Nak-talkers - Welcome from Fremont ... Mike -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan Marc and other Naktalkers including those joined now - my hearty wishes for a happy and successful new year to you all. Oh I have CR7 here and collected a mint 480 here in California which had a recording problem - and I rectified it recently! I have found some nice tapes at Milpitas Public Library and visiting few places in and around California. I had spent almost 4 months in US and acquired the much needed California Driving license? I miss those warm messages out of Naktalk including large OT. Kannan Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote Hi James (Linen), Welcome to the group (with your RX-505 and TD1000 car unit). Sorry about that - it was meant for (I think) James Bakner. I'm sure he'll surface in due course - you know, it's the time of year - people are in the office for a day, out ofr two etc. But equally warm welcome to you with your fine hardware. We all lament on the rarity of seeing those Nak car units for sale. Thanks for your kind words Kannan. I hope all is well in India. I think you've spent a fair amount of time away from home this year if I'm not mistaken (mainly north Amnerica?). 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All reasonable precautions have been taken to ensure that no viruses are present in this email and the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage arising from the use of this email or attachments. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Dec 31 20:12:02 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:12:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan References: <000901c2b0ff$caffb560$1901000a@c994264e> Message-ID: <3E11EC02.859BE7D0@earthlink.net> Indeed. Hello from San Francisco, as well. Jim Volpatti Mike deVera wrote: > Kannan, you are very close to nearby Nak-talkers - Welcome from Fremont ... > Mike From roleo at telus.net Tue Dec 31 20:15:29 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:15:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> <002701c2b0ef$b4baab80$05a2b742@desktop> <000901c2b0f5$addfda00$c505fad5@dusan> <01a401c2b0f9$0fb54b40$13116343@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001501c2b100$fbe80b40$05a2b742@desktop> I believe it's the last 5 digits that are critical. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E > Good question but I bet they are almost the same machine with "E" being > Europe and "s" being States. Component details and numbering should still > apply. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dusan" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 12:54 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E > > > > I suppose those numbers are for the A-type CR-7s made for American market. > > Do you know how is it with European series - CR-7E? > > > > Regards > > > > Dusan > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Roland Alford > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 6:11 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E > > > > > > > In response to your question regarding the CR-7, here is some info from > > > Stephen Sank who has serviced many of these decks: > > > > > > Below serial number A130-10500, the gear upgrade is likely to be needed > > (if > > > it hasn't been done), and below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the > > > record eq correction modification procedures would be needed. > > > > > > It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. > Remove > > > the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right > side > > of > > > the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC > > > labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair > of > > > unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If > these > > > two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder > points, > > > but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT > been > > > corrected. > > > > > > In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the > > > machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. > > > > > > The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the > > "gear > > > upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the > naks.com > > > ftp site. > > > > > > Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ > > > > > > Username: naktalk > > > > > > Password: dragon > > > > > > Go to the bottom of the list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > > To maintain your account please go here: > > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > > To maintain your account please go here: > http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > From bjgrady at pacbell.net Tue Dec 31 21:32:54 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:32:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan In-Reply-To: <3E11EC02.859BE7D0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000201c2b10b$cc68c4d0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Hey Jim. Do u have a shop in S.F.? I visit my buddy a couple of times a year, who lives in Dublin, to go to Raiders games. Was just there last week vs. Denver. If u have a shop, could maybe stop by sometime. Cal John. (Orange County, CA) -----Original Message----- From: naktalk-admin at naks.com [mailto:naktalk-admin at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sorry James!! and Thanks Kannan Indeed. Hello from San Francisco, as well. Jim Volpatti Mike deVera wrote: > Kannan, you are very close to nearby Nak-talkers - Welcome from Fremont ... > Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Dec 31 22:28:52 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:28:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: Message-ID: <002e01c2b113$9dd51e40$4a116343@johnnyrotten> Eric, I'm getting many "split" .wav files, even on the same piece of musical. What produces splits, recording level? I peaked with the green leds but beyond that are three yellow bars before a red bar. Perhaps if my levels were slightly higher she wouldn't split! John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Reidinger To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Hi John, If you are using Roxio Easy CD creator 5.X then simply bring up the main splash screen and choose audio CD project, it will bring up a secondary screen where you select the WAV file location from your HD and then simply hit the record button - it is a red button to bring up the record options. I am assuming you have a cd burner attached to your PC. For creating an MP3 I use a seperate program that is freeware from TUCOWS, www.tucows.com, called DBPOWERAMP to do the conversion, it works better than the one utility that is included in the Roxio package. Convert the WAV to the MP3 (LAME) and then select off the Roxio main splashscreen - MP3 project. it will bring up the select MP3 option and then select record button and it will create the MP3 project for you on the CD. If you need more simply let me know. Regards, Eric -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2002 10:54 AM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I want to copy a deceased friends voice from cassette to CD. So ReVox B 215 to Creative Sound Blaster Augigy Soundcard to Roxio Easy CD Creator 5.3.2.34a / Spin Doctor which then I believe copies everything as a .wav file to my H/D. If this is so far correct do I then burn CD using the large .wav file or convert to MP3? Any and all help would be much appreciated. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Dec 31 23:21:59 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 17:21:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E References: <004b01c2b0e8$6cca6560$8b05fad5@dusan> Message-ID: <3E121887.E4B86A02@rcn.com> CR-7s were made 1986 to 1993, so the youngest would be 9 years old. Going by American prices and if it's really in excellent shape, 500 Euros is an excellent price. The only difference between the CR-7a and the CR-7e is the power transformer. The gear modification is a good thing to have, but not mandatory. Without it, you'd have to replace the rubber idler every couple of years. If you do it yourself, it's neither a great expense nor a great bother. I *would* insist on having the EQ upgrade. If the deck is truly from 1992 - 1993, it should already have it. -- Ron Dusan wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm new to this list. First of all, I would like to send everyone many > greetings form Slovenija. I think I'm the first slovenian subscriber to this > list. > > I have found a used CR-7E deck at some german delaler's homepage. He wants > 500 Euros for it. He says it's in excellent shape and it is 8 years old. > > Do you think it is worth 500 Euros? If you don't mind, I would like to get > some more info about this deck and I would appreciate your help. > > Can someone tell me when has Nakamichi stopped CR-7 production. Do you think > tha 8 years old CR-7 already has gear upgrade? Do yu have any idea where > could I get service manual for CR-7? > > Thank you very much and Happy New Year to you all! > > Dusan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Naktalk at naks.com mailinglist > To maintain your account please go here: http://www.naks.com/mailman/listinfo/naktalk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hardouin at intnet.mu Sat Dec 7 08:25:44 2002 From: hardouin at intnet.mu (Christian Hardouin) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:25:44 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Spares for Td700 II or I Message-ID: <007901c29dc1$dbc401e0$0100a8c6@darwin> Dear Friends, I am looking for spare parts or an old Td 100 for sale.Please mail me if you can . Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-2.txt ************************************************************************ From emmett at sprint.ca Fri Feb 1 00:46:01 2002 From: emmett at sprint.ca (emmett) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:46:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations Message-ID: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your comments thanks emmett -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top SACD >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years that >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing else >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. There >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Erik Lotspeich" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > >> Stephen, >> >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem >> corrects itself. >> >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Erik. >> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: >> >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series >was >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the >time, >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up the >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that >those >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 >or >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. >The >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & >inferior >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this >is >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are not >in >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I >don't >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. >You >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've >heard >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. >> > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > http://stephensank.com >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations >> > >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and >other >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few >times). >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very >high-end >> > > before I heard your opinions. >> > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to >upgrade >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. >> > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to using >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to >sound >> > > quality? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Erik. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> > ======= >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> > resource. >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> > ======= >> > > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > >> >> -- >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer >> ELC Technologies >> 1532 State Street Suite C >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 >> elotspeich at elctech.com >> >> (805) 884.8300 phn >> (805) 884.8339 fax >> >> http://www.elctech.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 1 01:18:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 00:18:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations In-Reply-To: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> Message-ID: <003401c1aab6$0727c060$231b883e@a4s1s2> Stephen hold is punches? I can see you're new ... <> Actually, I'm interested to hear view on Yamaha all round. There seems to be a common view in the UK that, compared to some of the other Japanese companies, Yamaha products may not be World beaters but represent very good value for money overall, with some of their range being particularly good for the money and others, just also-rans. Personally, I certainly don't know enough about them but note they seem to have a low 2nd hand value. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of emmett Sent: 31 January 2002 11:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your comments thanks emmett -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top SACD >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years that >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing else >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. There >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Erik Lotspeich" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > >> Stephen, >> >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem >> corrects itself. >> >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Erik. >> >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: >> >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series >was >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the >time, >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up the >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that >those >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 >or >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. >The >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & >inferior >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this >is >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are not >in >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I >don't >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. >You >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've >heard >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. >> > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > http://stephensank.com >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations >> > >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and >other >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few >times). >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very >high-end >> > > before I heard your opinions. >> > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to >upgrade >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. >> > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to using >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to >sound >> > > quality? >> > > >> > > Thanks, >> > > >> > > Erik. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> > ======= >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> > resource. >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >> > ======= >> > > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > >> >> -- >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer >> ELC Technologies >> 1532 State Street Suite C >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 >> elotspeich at elctech.com >> >> (805) 884.8300 phn >> (805) 884.8339 fax >> >> http://www.elctech.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 1 01:19:48 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:19:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> Message-ID: <00ff01c1aab6$294063a0$b6021fac@brianm> >i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > comments thanks emmett Emmett, You are definately new to this list, you do no have to ask Stephen to "not hold back"!!! LOL Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "emmett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > comments thanks emmett > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top SACD > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years that > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing > else > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. There > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > >> Stephen, > >> > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > >> corrects itself. > >> > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Erik. > >> > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series > >was > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the > >time, > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up > the > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that > >those > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 > >or > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. > >The > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > >inferior > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this > >is > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are > not > >in > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I > >don't > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. > >You > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've > >heard > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > >> > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > http://stephensank.com > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and > >other > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few > >times). > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > >high-end > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > >> > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to > >upgrade > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > >> > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to > using > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to > >sound > >> > > quality? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > > >> > > Erik. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> > ======= > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > resource. > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> > ======= > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > >> ELC Technologies > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > >> > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > >> > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 1 02:55:53 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:55:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> Message-ID: <05c501c1aac3$95d69fe0$363442cf@sank1> My opinion of your Yamaha 2095 receiver, Emmett, is that you won't believe how much better it would sound if you used a separate amp for the mains. one as modest as an old Adcom GFA535, even. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "emmett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > comments thanks emmett > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top SACD > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years that > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing > else > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. There > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > >> Stephen, > >> > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > >> corrects itself. > >> > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Erik. > >> > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series > >was > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the > >time, > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up > the > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that > >those > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 > >or > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. > >The > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > >inferior > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this > >is > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are > not > >in > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I > >don't > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. > >You > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've > >heard > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > >> > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > http://stephensank.com > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and > >other > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few > >times). > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > >high-end > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > >> > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to > >upgrade > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > >> > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to > using > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to > >sound > >> > > quality? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > > >> > > Erik. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> > ======= > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > resource. > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> > ======= > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > >> ELC Technologies > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > >> > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > >> > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 1 02:57:11 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:57:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> <00ff01c1aab6$294063a0$b6021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <05cd01c1aac3$c4082fa0$363442cf@sank1> Dude! I am getting so dis'd on this list! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > >i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold > > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > > comments thanks emmett > > Emmett, > > You are definately new to this list, you do no have to ask Stephen to "not > hold back"!!! LOL > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emmett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i > > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't > hold > > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > > comments thanks emmett > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not > > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is > > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top > SACD > > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years > that > > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing > > else > > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. > There > > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far > > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > > >> Stephen, > > >> > > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM > tuner > > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can > solve > > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > > >> corrects itself. > > >> > > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Erik. > > >> > > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > >> > > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That > series > > >was > > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the > > >time, > > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & > complex > > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up > > the > > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that > > >those > > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a > DR-3 > > >or > > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. > > >The > > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > > >inferior > > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but > this > > >is > > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are > > not > > >in > > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I > > >don't > > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about > 1993. > > >You > > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've > > >heard > > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > > >> > > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >> > http://stephensank.com > > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, > > >> > > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and > > >other > > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few > > >times). > > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > > >high-end > > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > > >> > > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) > Pioneer > > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left > me > > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to > > >upgrade > > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > >> > > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to > > using > > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful > to > > >sound > > >> > > quality? > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > >> > > > > >> > > Erik. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >> > ======= > > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > >> > resource. > > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >> > ======= > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >======= > > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >======= > > >> > > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > >> ELC Technologies > > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > > >> > > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > > >> > > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 1 04:03:33 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:03:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> <05c501c1aac3$95d69fe0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C5A0584.9F00E80C@earthlink.net> Oh my... Was there a hint of diplomacy in that last post?? ***just kidding, Stephen!*** Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > My opinion of your Yamaha 2095 receiver, Emmett, is that you won't believe > how much better it would sound if you used a separate amp for the mains. one > as modest as an old Adcom GFA535, even. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "emmett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i > > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't > hold > > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > > comments thanks emmett > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not > > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is > > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top > SACD > > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years > that > > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing > > else > > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. > There > > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far > > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > >To: > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > > >> Stephen, > > >> > > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM > tuner > > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can > solve > > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > > >> corrects itself. > > >> > > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Erik. > > >> > > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > >> > > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That > series > > >was > > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the > > >time, > > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & > complex > > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up > > the > > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that > > >those > > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a > DR-3 > > >or > > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. > > >The > > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > > >inferior > > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but > this > > >is > > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are > > not > > >in > > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I > > >don't > > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about > 1993. > > >You > > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've > > >heard > > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > > >> > > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >> > http://stephensank.com > > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > >> > To: > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, > > >> > > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and > > >other > > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few > > >times). > > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > > >high-end > > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > > >> > > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) > Pioneer > > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left > me > > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to > > >upgrade > > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > >> > > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to > > using > > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful > to > > >sound > > >> > > quality? > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > >> > > > > >> > > Erik. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >> > ======= > > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > >> > resource. > > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >> > ======= > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >======= > > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > >======= > > >> > > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > >> ELC Technologies > > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > > >> > > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > > >> > > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 1 04:45:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:45:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> <05c501c1aac3$95d69fe0$363442cf@sank1> <3C5A0584.9F00E80C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <060c01c1aad2$eb341e40$363442cf@sank1> Oh, I guess I forgot to say, "It's a piece of crap!" Well, not quite, but parts of it are crap. Especially the power supply. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > Oh my... Was there a hint of diplomacy in that last post?? ***just kidding, > Stephen!*** > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > My opinion of your Yamaha 2095 receiver, Emmett, is that you won't believe > > how much better it would sound if you used a separate amp for the mains. one > > as modest as an old Adcom GFA535, even. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "emmett" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:46 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i > > > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't > > hold > > > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > > > comments thanks emmett > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not > > > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is > > > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > > > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top > > SACD > > > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years > > that > > > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing > > > else > > > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. > > There > > > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far > > > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > > > > > >> Stephen, > > > >> > > > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > > > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM > > tuner > > > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > > > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can > > solve > > > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > > > >> corrects itself. > > > >> > > > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > > > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > >> > > > >> Erik. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That > > series > > > >was > > > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the > > > >time, > > > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & > > complex > > > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up > > > the > > > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that > > > >those > > > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > > > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a > > DR-3 > > > >or > > > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. > > > >The > > > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > > > >inferior > > > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but > > this > > > >is > > > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are > > > not > > > >in > > > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I > > > >don't > > > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about > > 1993. > > > >You > > > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've > > > >heard > > > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > > > >> > > > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >> > http://stephensank.com > > > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >> > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > > >> > To: > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > > > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > Hi, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and > > > >other > > > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few > > > >times). > > > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > > > >high-end > > > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) > > Pioneer > > > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left > > me > > > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to > > > >upgrade > > > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > > > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to > > > using > > > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful > > to > > > >sound > > > >> > > quality? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Erik. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > = > > > >> > ======= > > > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > >> > resource. > > > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > = > > > >> > ======= > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > = > > > >======= > > > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > = > > > >======= > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > > >> ELC Technologies > > > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > > > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > > > >> > > > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > > > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > > > >> > > > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > > > >> > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > > > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 1 05:03:15 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:03:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers Message-ID: <061801c1aad5$60a0ee40$363442cf@sank1> Didn't think it would happen, but a Sansui G-33000 has shown up on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329722603 Never actually seen one before, except on the cover of the service manual. I can't imagine this guy won't get his rather high $1500 starting bid. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 1 05:02:05 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:02:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> <05c501c1aac3$95d69fe0$363442cf@sank1> <3C5A0584.9F00E80C@earthlink.net> <060c01c1aad2$eb341e40$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C5A133D.1C994F3B@earthlink.net> Now there's the Stephen we all know and love! = ^ ) Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Oh, I guess I forgot to say, "It's a piece of crap!" > Well, not quite, but parts of it are crap. Especially the power supply. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > Oh my... Was there a hint of diplomacy in that last post?? > ***just kidding, > > Stephen!*** > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > My opinion of your Yamaha 2095 receiver, Emmett, is that you won't > believe > > > how much better it would sound if you used a separate amp for the mains. > one > > > as modest as an old Adcom GFA535, even. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "emmett" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:46 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers > i > > > > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver > don't > > > hold > > > > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by > your > > > > comments thanks emmett > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although > not > > > > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff > is > > > > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > > > > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top > > > SACD > > > > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 > years > > > that > > > > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and > nothing > > > > else > > > > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. > > > There > > > > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, > far > > > > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Stephen, > > > > >> > > > > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer > SX-3900, > > > > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM > > > tuner > > > > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the > left > > > > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can > > > solve > > > > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > > > > >> corrects itself. > > > > >> > > > > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > > > > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >> Erik. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That > > > series > > > > >was > > > > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at > the > > > > >time, > > > > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & > > > complex > > > > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing > up > > > > the > > > > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, > that > > > > >those > > > > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > > > > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a > > > DR-3 > > > > >or > > > > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of > cost-cutting. > > > > >The > > > > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > > > > >inferior > > > > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, > but > > > this > > > > >is > > > > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things > are > > > > not > > > > >in > > > > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, > I > > > > >don't > > > > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about > > > 1993. > > > > >You > > > > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until > you've > > > > >heard > > > > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > >> > http://stephensank.com > > > > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > >> > > > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > > > > >> > To: > > > > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > > > > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Hi, > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD > and > > > > >other > > > > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a > few > > > > >times). > > > > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > > > > >high-end > > > > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) > > > Pioneer > > > > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has > left > > > me > > > > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was > to > > > > >upgrade > > > > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in > terms of > > > > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted > to > > > > using > > > > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they > faithful > > > to > > > > >sound > > > > >> > > quality? > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > Erik. > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > > = > > > > >> > ======= > > > > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > > Deck > > > > >> > resource. > > > > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > > = > > > > >> > ======= > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > > = > > > > >======= > > > > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > >resource. > > > > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > > = > > > > >======= > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > > > >> ELC Technologies > > > > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > > > > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > > > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > > > > >> > > > > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > > > > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > > > > >> > > > > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > > > > >> > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > > > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is > intended > > > > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 1 05:34:10 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 04:34:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations In-Reply-To: <3C5A133D.1C994F3B@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000a01c1aad9$b14e2c00$629987d9@a4s1s2> Amen to that, Jim! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 01 February 2002 04:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations Now there's the Stephen we all know and love! = ^ ) Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Oh, I guess I forgot to say, "It's a piece of crap!" > Well, not quite, but parts of it are crap. Especially the power supply. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 1 14:06:39 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:06:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers References: <061801c1aad5$60a0ee40$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003601c1ab21$49c78ed0$0c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Nice! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers > Didn't think it would happen, but a Sansui G-33000 has shown up on ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329722603 > Never actually seen one before, except on the cover of the service manual. > I can't imagine this guy won't get his rather high $1500 starting bid. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 1 14:32:42 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:32:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations References: <002601c1aab1$71be1320$7bcb6395@h4y1l2> <00ff01c1aab6$294063a0$b6021fac@brianm> <05cd01c1aac3$c4082fa0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003701c1ab24$ed57ef60$8c021fac@brianm> LOL!!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Dude! I am getting so dis'd on this list! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From caldwell at cvtel.net Fri Feb 1 15:35:05 2002 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:35:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday Message-ID: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> I have read the string of complaints about current component quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), thus your opinions would help my shopping. I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. Thanks, Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 1 16:00:57 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:00:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> Message-ID: <00b401c1ab31$414dced0$8c021fac@brianm> Scott, You would have to narrow that down. In the 80's and 90's, just as now, you could buy cheap junk all the way up to very nice high quality equipment, it just comes down to what you want to pay. Incidently, our friend Stephen is fond of your 535 for a nice low buck amp. Also, there have only been select brands discussed here recently in regards to quality, you can find plently of very nice stuff on the market today, IMO. It seems to me, correct me if wrong, some of the biggest advancements has come in capacitors, therefore you can pick up a used amp and have some mods done and have a great sounding amp at a great price. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Caldwell" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > I have read the string of complaints about current component > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > Thanks, > Scott > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Feb 1 16:08:26 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 07:08:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations In-Reply-To: <05c501c1aac3$95d69fe0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I have an adcom gfa 545 II I would sell for a reasonable price. Just ask... Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 5:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations My opinion of your Yamaha 2095 receiver, Emmett, is that you won't believe how much better it would sound if you used a separate amp for the mains. one as modest as an old Adcom GFA535, even. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "emmett" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > hi stephen i new to this site and read your post on yamaha receivers i > have the 2095 i was wondering what you thought of this receiver don't hold > any punches as i am curious and will not be offended in any way by your > comments thanks emmett > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:53 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > >The Nak receivers of the last few years have been quite OK, although not > >nearly as well built as the SR series of the mid 80's. Rotel stuff is > >usually quite reliable & good sounding, although they have had a few > >"lemons". Sony audio stuff is generally mediocre, except for the top SACD > >units. All Yamaha amplification(receivers & sep) of the last 20 years that > >I have seen has been fairly unreliable & screechy sounding, and nothing > else > >they make in home audio is worth much consideration anymore either. There > >are many manufacturers still making quality stuff, but there are far, far > >more that, while good in the past, are total crap now. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Erik Lotspeich" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 4:47 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > > > > > >> Stephen, > >> > >> I've been happy with the sound quality and power of my Pioneer SX-3900, > >> but I long for a receiver with a remote control. And, alas, the AM tuner > >> doesn't work. There are also strange problems with static and the left > >> and right channels being becoming the left channel. Usually I can solve > >> that problem by just twisting knobs and switches until the problem > >> corrects itself. > >> > >> So your comments beg the question. Who makes quality home stereo > >> components anymore? Nak, Yamaha, Rotel, Sony ES? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Erik. > >> > >> On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > >> > Wow! You have an SX-3900 that still works? I'm shocked. That series > >was > >> > really "on the edge" for Pioneer, in terms of circuit design at the > >time, > >> > and were notorious for blowing up their rather badly designed & complex > >> > regulated power supply circuits, and almost as famous for blowing up > the > >> > unusually high-biased power amp channels. I do think, though, that > >those > >> > were among the best sounding Pioneer receivers ever. > >> > If you look at the play/record head & compare it to the head in a DR-3 > >or > >> > earlier 2-head Nak, you will see immediate evidence of cost-cutting. > >The > >> > head is half of the length of a DR-3 head, and is a way cheaper & > >inferior > >> > part. Not too much else was cut back on compared to the DR-3, but this > >is > >> > unfortunately typical of the current Nak situation, where things are > not > >in > >> > general on the same par as a decade or more ago. So, personally, I > >don't > >> > recommend buying just about anything Nak that is newer than about 1993. > >You > >> > really haven't heard how good a Nak cassette deck can be until you've > >heard > >> > the older ones, as in the CR series & older. > >> > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > http://stephensank.com > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:18 AM > >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Component Recommendations > >> > > >> > > >> > > Hi, > >> > > > >> > > I've become very interested in your recent discussions of NAD and > >other > >> > > not-so-great products (I heard Carver and Sunfire mentioned a few > >times). > >> > > I had always thought of Carver, Sunfire, and NAD as being very > >high-end > >> > > before I heard your opinions. > >> > > > >> > > There will be a time when I want to replace my existing (old) Pioneer > >> > > SX-3900 receiver. My recent purchase of a used Nak DR-8 has left me > >> > > completely pleased with the Nakamichi product and my plan was to > >upgrade > >> > > to Nakamichi components as my budget allows. > >> > > > >> > > How does the current Nakamichi line of products perform in terms of > >> > > reliability, sound quality and performance? Has Nak resorted to > using > >> > > lower-quality components to keep costs down, or are they faithful to > >sound > >> > > quality? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks, > >> > > > >> > > Erik. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> > ======= > >> > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > resource. > >> > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >> > ======= > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > >> ELC Technologies > >> 1532 State Street Suite C > >> Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > >> elotspeich at elctech.com > >> > >> (805) 884.8300 phn > >> (805) 884.8339 fax > >> > >> http://www.elctech.com/ > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > >> The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > >> for the named recipient(s) only. 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Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers Didn't think it would happen, but a Sansui G-33000 has shown up on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329722603 Never actually seen one before, except on the cover of the service manual. I can't imagine this guy won't get his rather high $1500 starting bid. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 1 16:22:21 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 10:22:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay / Proxy bidding Message-ID: <011901c1ab34$3ea822e0$0c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Okay guys/gals, how do I turn the 'Proxy bidding' feature On on ebay? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suedbahntom at gmx.net Fri Feb 1 16:22:53 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (suedbahntom at gmx.net) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:22:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 730 Message-ID: <18116.1012576973@www61.gmx.net> hi naktalkers, i discovered a 730 receiver in propably good condition. the ower means the 730 is a very rare equipment, he charged euro=730 (us=663) from me. I think it`s to high, isn`t it?. regards, Tom Fisch. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Feb 1 16:36:37 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 10:36:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay / Proxy bidding References: <011901c1ab34$3ea822e0$0c756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C5AB605.70AA87D@ol-jim.com> > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Okay guys/gals, how do I turn the 'Proxy bidding' feature On on ebay? > � > John I believe that it is automatically on. You merely enter the maximum amount you want to bid, and it works its way up in increments. Please do not bid against me, as I cannot afford bidding wars :>) -- Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com A government survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 1 17:09:11 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:09:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 730 References: <18116.1012576973@www61.gmx.net> Message-ID: <070e01c1ab3a$c9fae340$363442cf@sank1> I own two 730 receivers, and paid $450 +shipping for the most expensive, not quite in perfect shape. While this is a lot cheaper than you paid, I'd still consider it money well spent. It's a great unit, not to mention really beautiful, I think. Of the half dozen 730's I've seen up for sale in the last year or so(and I'd seen none for sale in the previous two decades), none have been in Europe, so they may be quite a bit more rare there. So, as long as it is in good working order & looks good, I think you did very well against current market value, and certainly very well in terms of cost per quality of sound & build. If you also got the RM730 wireless remote system with it, you did very, very well indeed. I was extremely lucky to get one with the last 730 I bought. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 730 > hi naktalkers, > i discovered a 730 receiver in propably good condition. the ower means the > 730 is a very rare equipment, he charged euro=730 (us=663) from me. I think > it`s > to high, isn`t it?. > regards, Tom Fisch. > > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 1 17:14:50 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:14:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers References: Message-ID: <071401c1ab3b$93c70b40$363442cf@sank1> The only Yamaha CR series recvr I would remotely recommend is the CR2020, which was the high-powered top model for it's year. It sounded pretty good, was fairly reliable and had discrete transistor amp channels, so parts availability isn't ever a problem. The only pain in the neck is the thing used a billion wired-in lamps, as did all Yamahas of the 70's to 80ish. The next generation of CR, the CRx40(CR640, 840, etc.) was OK, but introduced the use of hybrid IC power amp & driver modules, which are not reliable & very unavailable since about ten years ago. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers > The yamaha receivers from the mid/late 70's were nice pieces and, when found > for sale, seem to fetch realistic prices. I am thinking of something like > the cr series; they had a little receiver with maybe 20 to 30wpc that was > very nice. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 8:03 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] The biggest of the bigass receivers > > > Didn't think it would happen, but a Sansui G-33000 has shown up on ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329722603 > Never actually seen one before, except on the cover of the service manual. > I can't imagine this guy won't get his rather high $1500 starting bid. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Feb 1 17:20:14 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:20:14 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 730 References: <070e01c1ab3a$c9fae340$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi guys, I had one 730 with wireless remote. Now my friend has it. Nice and heavy unit! But sonicaly I prefer 410+420 amp. Not so powerfull but more music. Misha >I own two 730 receivers, and paid $450 +shipping for the most expensive, not >quite in perfect shape. While this is a lot cheaper than you paid, I'd >still consider it money well spent. It's a great unit, not to mention >really beautiful, I think. Of the half dozen 730's I've seen up for sale in >the last year or so(and I'd seen none for sale in the previous two decades), >none have been in Europe, so they may be quite a bit more rare there. So, >as long as it is in good working order & looks good, I think you did very >well against current market value, and certainly very well in terms of cost >per quality of sound & build. >If you also got the RM730 wireless remote system with it, you did very, very >well indeed. I was extremely lucky to get one with the last 730 I bought. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley" wrote: > > Okay guys/gals, how do I turn the 'Proxy bidding' feature On on ebay? > > John I believe that it is automatically on. You merely enter the maximum amount you want to bid, and it works its way up in increments. Please do not bid against me, as I cannot afford bidding wars :>) -- Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com A government survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Certainly there are many unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Caldwell" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > I have read the string of complaints about current component > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > Thanks, > Scott > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Feb 1 18:52:28 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:52:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday In-Reply-To: <072801c1ab41$d9bf4760$363442cf@sank1> References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201124234.01f82ec0@mail.verizon.net> Steve, You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. _____________________ Marc Stager ============================= At 2/1/02, you wrote: >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can >recall models): >Receivers: >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) >Nak 730 (1978) >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth having) >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > >Integrated amps: >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > >Preamps: >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > >Amps: >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of >course) >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, >300(1962-98) >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) >Rotel RB970BX (90's) >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > >Tuners: >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) >Marantz 10B >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) >Hafler DH330 (80's) >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) >Revox B760 (80's) > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Scott Caldwell" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Feb 1 18:43:20 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 09:43:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: DR-10 Remote References: <001f01c1aaa7$027e0c40$0400a8c0@c994264g> Message-ID: <003d01c1ab47$f07dab80$64fbb440@pii366custom> Hey Mike, Regarding the remote for the DR-10: If it is like the DR1, 2 or 3 (which it is), it can only be controlled to my knowledge by a system remote like one that came with the Nakamchi RE-1, 2, or 3 receivers. The RE-1 has two outputs at the back for tape deck remote, 1/8" TRS mini plugs (not unlike a stereo walkman headphone plug.). The remote I have for my RE-1 has a switch where you can change back and forth for Deck 1 or 2. --Roland ==================================================== I was reviewing the manual for the Nak DR-10. There is a mention of a 'System Remote Output "Tape 2" terminal'. Would that be an outboard remote module that could be wireless? Just curious, if it can only be controlled from a Nak pre or receiver. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Feb 1 18:56:54 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 12:56:54 -0500 Subject: Gummint Excess (was [naktalk] ebay / Proxy bidding) References: Message-ID: <3C5AD6E6.AAA21FD1@ol-jim.com> > I understand right after that government survey, they conducted one that discovered that no matter where a person goes, there they are!� On a more serious note, though the outcome was quite ridiculous:� > In the 70's, there was a senator that�bestowed�"The Golden Fleece Award" for extremely poor utilization of taxpayer dollars.� One branch of the Military spent a few hundred thousand dollars to verify, that during shipment, smaller granules of a substance would sift down through larger granules.� I think that is where the term "substance abuse" originated.�� ;-)��� ...and never forget the multi hundred thousand dollar DOT study that proved that, when a small car is involved in an accident with a large car, the small car suffers more damage. (Duh! It took them a study to figure that out?) Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com A government survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. (Your tax dollars at work!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 1 19:45:00 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:45:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ebay / Proxy bidding References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020201110750.01f9a0d0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000f01c1ab50$8e2a1320$31756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Okay, it isn't what I thought. I was thinking it was the same as esnipe but obviously not. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ebay / Proxy bidding At 2/1/02, you wrote: Okay guys/gals, how do I turn the 'Proxy bidding' feature On on ebay? John Never turned off, it's automatic. Just bid your maximum, but the bid showing from you will only step up the next increment, and keep you ahead of other bidders including snipers, up to the limit you set. The exception is when there is a reserve. If you bid higher than the reserve, eBay will automatically set your bid to the reserve. _____________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Sat Feb 2 02:01:30 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:01:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20020201124234.01f82ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003101c1ab85$2716f2e0$566d9c18@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday Marc. I can't comment on the other components, but I owned a Perreaux SM-3 preamap and 2150 amp in the mid 80s. The preamp wasn't great - terrible phono section, but the amp was nice. I later traded it for a Perreaux 1150 and some cash. The 1150 sounded signifigantly better. It used to be a truism that with most manufacturers the lower powered amps sounded better than the larger. I'm not sure if this is still true. Kevin Rogers > Steve, > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > ============================= > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > >recall models): > >Receivers: > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > >Nak 730 (1978) > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth having) > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > >Integrated amps: > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > >Preamps: > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > >Amps: > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > >course) > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, > >300(1962-98) > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > >Tuners: > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > >Marantz 10B > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 02:38:26 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:38:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20020201124234.01f82ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <076b01c1ab8a$50293940$363442cf@sank1> There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon receivers or preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation II being one of those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible reliability, poor tuners & not great sound, in my opinion. Build quality was poor as well. The Citation II is only a good sounding amp if you replace all of the signal caps(at the least) and reduce the way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately left it off the list. I listed only those units that don't need upgrading to sound good(hence exclusion of the Mac MC40, 240, 30 & 60), and strictly as my personal opinions, based on both sound & reliability. The Yamaha R-500 & all of their receivers from the CR2040 generation thru the R100 generation used hybrid IC modules as power amps & drivers, and these are all fast approaching hopelessly unavailable, including the Sanyo STK-series modules used in the R-500. And I just never liked the sound of any Perreaux piece. It all seemed like imitation Hafler to me. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > Steve, > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > ============================= > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > >recall models): > >Receivers: > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > >Nak 730 (1978) > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth having) > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > >Integrated amps: > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > >Preamps: > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > >Amps: > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > >course) > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, > >300(1962-98) > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > >Tuners: > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > >Marantz 10B > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca Sat Feb 2 02:57:57 2002 From: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:57:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday In-Reply-To: <076b01c1ab8a$50293940$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C5AD725.27671.1BE8181@localhost> Hi Stephen and co... About your message: > There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon > receivers or preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation > II being one of those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible > reliability, poor tuners & not great sound, in my opinion. Build > quality was poor as well. The Citation II is only a good sounding amp > if you replace all of the signal caps(at the least) and reduce the > way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately left it off the list. Nobody has yet mentioned the superb H-K Citation V - much better sounding than the II by most counts and great reliability. If you find one of these for anything like a reasonable price, pounce on it! I also have a H-K 6250 integrated that sounds great (for solid state!) and has been very reliable so far. Again though - just 8 yrs. old so not much to say about its' longterm robustness... best regards to all, Aaron ___________________________________________________________ Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Feb 2 03:34:32 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:34:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday In-Reply-To: <076b01c1ab8a$50293940$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: What do you do to the mc240 to improve its sound? I have one sitting on my dining room table not being used (in favour of an audio note amp) at the moment. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon receivers or preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation II being one of those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible reliability, poor tuners & not great sound, in my opinion. Build quality was poor as well. The Citation II is only a good sounding amp if you replace all of the signal caps(at the least) and reduce the way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately left it off the list. I listed only those units that don't need upgrading to sound good(hence exclusion of the Mac MC40, 240, 30 & 60), and strictly as my personal opinions, based on both sound & reliability. The Yamaha R-500 & all of their receivers from the CR2040 generation thru the R100 generation used hybrid IC modules as power amps & drivers, and these are all fast approaching hopelessly unavailable, including the Sanyo STK-series modules used in the R-500. And I just never liked the sound of any Perreaux piece. It all seemed like imitation Hafler to me. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > Steve, > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > ============================= > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > >recall models): > >Receivers: > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > >Nak 730 (1978) > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth having) > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > >Integrated amps: > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > >Preamps: > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > >Amps: > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > >course) > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, > >300(1962-98) > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > >Tuners: > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > >Marantz 10B > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Scott > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 03:41:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 19:41:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: <3C5AD725.27671.1BE8181@localhost> Message-ID: <07ca01c1ab93$1571b440$363442cf@sank1> Citation V's are indeed better than II's, in my opinion as well. But not too common to come by. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Bohnen" To: "Stephen Sank" ; Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > Hi Stephen and co... > > About your message: > > > There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon > > receivers or preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation > > II being one of those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible > > reliability, poor tuners & not great sound, in my opinion. Build > > quality was poor as well. The Citation II is only a good sounding amp > > if you replace all of the signal caps(at the least) and reduce the > > way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately left it off the list. > > Nobody has yet mentioned the superb H-K Citation V - much better sounding > than the II by most counts and great reliability. If you find one of > these for anything like a reasonable price, pounce on it! > > I also have a H-K 6250 integrated that sounds great (for solid state!) > and has been very reliable so far. Again though - just 8 yrs. old so not > much to say about its' longterm robustness... > > best regards to all, > > Aaron > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca > -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. > -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 04:11:56 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 20:11:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: Message-ID: <080501c1ab97$5f8be6a0$363442cf@sank1> Honestly, I haven't had the opportunity to see how much I could "un-darken" an MC240/MC40, so I can't swear that the dark character is not in the output transformer or use of 6L6 tubes in that type of circuit. Mac tube amp owners fall into two categories: 1) Those who love them too much to consider upgrades. 2) Those who are terrified of diminishing the "collector value" by deviating from pure stock condition. So, while I have done a fair number of MC60's, I have not done any MC240s. But I would take the same approach as with the MC60- MIT signal caps, Roederstein >1watt resistors throughout, soft recovery rectifier diodes, lots more supply capacitance & film capping, and so on. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > What do you do to the mc240 to improve its sound? I have one sitting on my > dining room table not being used (in favour of an audio note amp) at the > moment. > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon receivers or > preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation II being one of > those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible reliability, poor tuners & > not great sound, in my opinion. Build quality was poor as well. The > Citation II is only a good sounding amp if you replace all of the signal > caps(at the least) and reduce the way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately > left it off the list. I listed only those units that don't need upgrading > to sound good(hence exclusion of the Mac MC40, 240, 30 & 60), and strictly > as my personal opinions, based on both sound & reliability. > The Yamaha R-500 & all of their receivers from the CR2040 generation thru > the R100 generation used hybrid IC modules as power amps & drivers, and > these are all fast approaching hopelessly unavailable, including the Sanyo > STK-series modules used in the R-500. > And I just never liked the sound of any Perreaux piece. It all seemed like > imitation Hafler to me. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > Steve, > > > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > > > ============================= > > > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > > >recall models): > > >Receivers: > > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > > >Nak 730 (1978) > > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth > having) > > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > > > >Integrated amps: > > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > > > >Preamps: > > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) > > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > > > >Amps: > > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > > >course) > > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, > > >300(1962-98) > > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > > > >Tuners: > > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > > >Marantz 10B > > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) > > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) > > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Feb 2 04:29:45 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:29:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: Message-ID: <003601c1ab99$dcd3d260$ce6723c8@g8nsv> Hi Tiberius!!! Can you tell me a little bit more about your Audio Note amp??? I have heard a lot about this company and that their product are all handcrafted and very good; also very expensive. Here in Venezuela I haven't seen one but I heard from the guy who fixes Nakamichi that there is a rich guy here who owns an Ongaku amp or integrated amp or something like that here. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > What do you do to the mc240 to improve its sound? I have one sitting on my > dining room table not being used (in favour of an audio note amp) at the > moment. > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon receivers or > preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation II being one of > those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible reliability, poor tuners & > not great sound, in my opinion. Build quality was poor as well. The > Citation II is only a good sounding amp if you replace all of the signal > caps(at the least) and reduce the way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately > left it off the list. I listed only those units that don't need upgrading > to sound good(hence exclusion of the Mac MC40, 240, 30 & 60), and strictly > as my personal opinions, based on both sound & reliability. > The Yamaha R-500 & all of their receivers from the CR2040 generation thru > the R100 generation used hybrid IC modules as power amps & drivers, and > these are all fast approaching hopelessly unavailable, including the Sanyo > STK-series modules used in the R-500. > And I just never liked the sound of any Perreaux piece. It all seemed like > imitation Hafler to me. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > Steve, > > > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > > > ============================= > > > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > > >recall models): > > >Receivers: > > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > > >Nak 730 (1978) > > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth > having) > > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > > > >Integrated amps: > > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > > > >Preamps: > > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) > > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > > > >Amps: > > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > > >course) > > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, > > >300(1962-98) > > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > > > >Tuners: > > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > > >Marantz 10B > > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) > > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) > > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Sat Feb 2 05:18:06 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:18:06 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1897 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/1/02 7:37:23 PM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: << In the 70's, there was a senator that bestowed "The Golden Fleece Award" for extremely poor utilization of taxpayer dollars.  >> I believe that was Les Aspen from Wisconsin. I have a SANSUI TX-9900 tuner and it's a pretty nice tuner, however I do like the Luxman T-2. But my fav-0-rite is my Sherwood 3000 tube tuner. It's not a 10B, but it's pretty good. Richard "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 2 08:33:43 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:33:43 +0700 Subject: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002a01c1abbc$11bbb480$6d289bca@smarzuki> Slightly off topic here ... how can we tell if one amp is 'worse' due to inadequate heatsinking ? My PA7 runs only warm to the touch but Bryston got very hot to the handle ! Made me somewhat worried using that amp, despite the larger than average heatsink area. Is that condition normal for each amp ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality Very well said, Ron. As a case in point, NAD's trademark is inadequate output device heatsinking & under-rated parts. Coincidentally, this is also Bob Carver's trademark. Even the Sunfire("Catchfire" would be much more apt) amps have zero heatsinking other than the cabinet shell, just as in the M400 cube. And not a single above-minimum-quality part in sight. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality > > An important determinant of reliability, in addition > to manufacturing QC, is the basic design. When the > design does not allow for proper safety margins, the > product will fail, regardless of build quality. For > example, the minimal safety margin for resistor wattage > is 100% (never dissipate more than 1/2W in a 1W resistor). > It's amazing how many designs violate this simple rule > -- and for no reason, since resistors are so cheap. Even > a higher safety margin is required for power transistors > (power and heat dissipation); a very common failing is > inadequate cooling (understandable, since Management > always demands from Engineering lower cost and a smaller > chassis). > > For a couple of years I served as a Qualification Manager. > I can tell you that even the best intentioned Engineering > can (and does) fall into the trap of inadequate design > (which is one reason why a Qualification department is > necessary in the first place). Where product cost is the > driving factor, under design is all but guaranteed. > > An experienced technician will be able to tell you whether > a product is going to be reliable by just looking under > the hood and moving a hand around while the product is > running. Much better is a product MTBF test (assuming > one was conducted and that the results are available > outside the company). Recommendation by a consumer that > owned a single sample and happened to have no problems > with it, is meaningless. > > -- Ron > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 2 08:27:44 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:27:44 +0700 Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C50@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002901c1abbc$106461e0$6d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, sounds great. Well, almost perfect. The mechanism is still problematic due to inadequate tape tension. Capstans' size measured and calculated okay - to give approx 2.8% speed difference, but in reality ... probably because of slightly tilted takeup or supply capstan ? Anyway, with the additional thickness from taped flywheel, freq. response is now very good. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Salim, I forgot about the direct drive capstan - goes to show how much I know (not much). The two problems I had with the unit were both related to those dreadful orange caps. The first problem was that the erase oscillator stopped working, thanks to Stephen he pointed out which two capacitors were at fault. The second problem was related to the Dolby circuit, playback with B or C type was perfect however recording on C type would only record right channel - problem fixed after replacing the orange caps on the Dolby circuit board. Now I have a healthy ZX9. Keep us posted with your results on your ZX. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 2 09:38:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 08:38:42 -0000 Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) In-Reply-To: <002901c1abbc$106461e0$6d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000401c1abc5$05513680$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Salim I used a similar trick as your sellotape trick with my PT TOO turntable. Some of them (all of them?) turn just slightly faster than the 33.3 rpm that they are supposed to turn at, which may explain the distinctive "Pink Triangle sound"!!! I slowed it down just enough by fixing a huge rubber band on the under side of the platter around the area where the drive belt goes. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 February 2002 07:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Hi Tom, Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, sounds great. Well, almost perfect. The mechanism is still problematic due to inadequate tape tension. Capstans' size measured and calculated okay - to give approx 2.8% speed difference, but in reality ... probably because of slightly tilted takeup or supply capstan ? Anyway, with the additional thickness from taped flywheel, freq. response is now very good. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Salim, I forgot about the direct drive capstan - goes to show how much I know (not much). The two problems I had with the unit were both related to those dreadful orange caps. The first problem was that the erase oscillator stopped working, thanks to Stephen he pointed out which two capacitors were at fault. The second problem was related to the Dolby circuit, playback with B or C type was perfect however recording on C type would only record right channel - problem fixed after replacing the orange caps on the Dolby circuit board. Now I have a healthy ZX9. Keep us posted with your results on your ZX. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Sat Feb 2 11:05:29 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 05:05:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve In-Reply-To: <076b01c1ab8a$50293940$363442cf@sank1> References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20020201124234.01f82ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202040020.01f94100@mail.verizon.net> I wanted to publicly thank Steve Sank for helping me fix my Nak MR-1 when it went on the fritz. I played a cassette about two weeks ago and I heard a nasty flutter, a very quick chirp-like sound. Kinda like an epileptic canary. I thought a belt might be bad but it sounded more electronic than mechanical. Further evidence that it was not mechanical was that the pitch control no longer worked. Steve suggested I check to see if the pitch control pot had gone bad. I thought it might be something like cap crap. I've never known a potentiometer to suddenly deep six. Noisy, intermittent, yes, but to suddenly drop dead? I put a meter to it and there was no change in resistance as I turned the shaft. As is infrequently the case, Mr. Sank was absolutely right. He sent me a new control. I threw it on this evening and the Nak deck is now completely off the fritz. It wouldn't even know what a fritz looked like. I also mentioned to Steve that, while I had it open, I was going to see if I could install some sort of safety switch so the MR-1 wouldn't go into record by accident, as has happened on several occasions due to some Nipponese nit wit putting the record button directly under and almost touching the play button. Very easy to hit both at the same time by accident and put the deck into record. The fix was easy enough. Right at the top is the switch which senses the erase protect tab on a cassette. With the cassette notch punched out, that switch is open. No can record. With a virgin cassette, it is closed. Yes can record. Easy enough to pull a pull a wire off and insert an external switch. Even better, since the control works a relay, I could use a momentary push-to-close switch, preventing the possibility of an accidental recording which could still occur if a toggle switch were left on. So I decided to install a small button switch on the faceplate. Since it is normally open, the machine senses that there is an open protect tab on the cassette an won't go into record, even if the record and play buttons are pushed at the same time. To record you press the record and play button at the same time as the safety button. The tricky part was, where do I put the button? There is no real estate available on the front panel. No place to drill a hole and install it. ... Then it hit me. The job is done. The safety button works perfectly and I didn't even have to install a new part, nor did I have to make a hole in the panel. I used an existing control without compromising or eliminating any function. It wasn't even very difficult. What did I do? Clue: Think of a Nikon F3. __________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 2 12:06:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:06:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202040020.01f94100@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000d01c1abd9$b9c912e0$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Nikon F3? Now you've *completely* lost me! But then, I'm a Pentax (Honeywell to some of you guys) ES fan ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 02 February 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve I wanted to publicly thank Steve Sank for helping me fix my Nak MR-1 when it went on the fritz....... ......The job is done. The safety button works perfectly and I didn't even have to install a new part, nor did I have to make a hole in the panel. I used an existing control without compromising or eliminating any function. It wasn't even very difficult. What did I do? Clue: Think of a Nikon F3. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 2 12:37:06 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 18:37:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20020201124234.01f82ec0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020202040020.01f94100@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000101c1abe5$5bddaf40$5b289bca@smarzuki> Mark, any other clue for an F-3-less guy ?? I agree on Stephen's case. General scenario: the dead deck is here, i'm sitting on the 'bench', staring at the serv manual and deck for days and days, wondering what the problem was. Almost give up, send one question to SS around midnight and received a reply the next morning. Half a globe apart, he mentioned one possible problem part ... and voila, deck is off the fritz ! Makes me feel like a blind, but glad, guy. Muchas gracias senor Sank. BTW did you really say that "as is infrequently the case, Mr Sank was absolutely right" ? :-D Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve I wanted to publicly thank Steve Sank for helping me fix my Nak MR-1 when it went on the fritz. I played a cassette about two weeks ago and I heard a nasty flutter, a very quick chirp-like sound. Kinda like an epileptic canary. I thought a belt might be bad but it sounded more electronic than mechanical. Further evidence that it was not mechanical was that the pitch control no longer worked. Steve suggested I check to see if the pitch control pot had gone bad. I thought it might be something like cap crap. I've never known a potentiometer to suddenly deep six. Noisy, intermittent, yes, but to suddenly drop dead? I put a meter to it and there was no change in resistance as I turned the shaft. As is infrequently the case, Mr. Sank was absolutely right. He sent me a new control. I threw it on this evening and the Nak deck is now completely off the fritz. It wouldn't even know what a fritz looked like. I also mentioned to Steve that, while I had it open, I was going to see if I could install some sort of safety switch so the MR-1 wouldn't go into record by accident, as has happened on several occasions due to some Nipponese nit wit putting the record button directly under and almost touching the play button. Very easy to hit both at the same time by accident and put the deck into record. The fix was easy enough. Right at the top is the switch which senses the erase protect tab on a cassette. With the cassette notch punched out, that switch is open. No can record. With a virgin cassette, it is closed. Yes can record. Easy enough to pull a pull a wire off and insert an external switch. Even better, since the control works a relay, I could use a momentary push-to-close switch, preventing the possibility of an accidental recording which could still occur if a toggle switch were left on. So I decided to install a small button switch on the faceplate. Since it is normally open, the machine senses that there is an open protect tab on the cassette an won't go into record, even if the record and play buttons are pushed at the same time. To record you press the record and play button at the same time as the safety button. The tricky part was, where do I put the button? There is no real estate available on the front panel. No place to drill a hole and install it. ... Then it hit me. The job is done. The safety button works perfectly and I didn't even have to install a new part, nor did I have to make a hole in the panel. I used an existing control without compromising or eliminating any function. It wasn't even very difficult. What did I do? Clue: Think of a Nikon F3. __________________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Salim I used a similar trick as your sellotape trick with my PT TOO turntable. Some of them (all of them?) turn just slightly faster than the 33.3 rpm that they are supposed to turn at, which may explain the distinctive "Pink Triangle sound"!!! I slowed it down just enough by fixing a huge rubber band on the under side of the platter around the area where the drive belt goes. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 February 2002 07:28 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Feb 2 13:47:53 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 14:47:53 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve Message-ID: As far as I remember, F3 (successor to the F2A/S) was a both aperture priority or shutter priority automatic 35mm SLR with fully metered manual overide, basically a "systems" camera with all the pro conveniences of motor drive (not just speed wind) and a bulk film loading back. Built for the long haul and roughly equivalent to Canon F1 and Contax RTS, but tougher. Widely considered the best SLR in the pro and serious amateur photography scene. Superseded by the F4, but not necessarily liked as much. (Sound familiar!!!). Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/02/02 01:06PM >>> Nikon F3? Now you've *completely* lost me! But then, I'm a Pentax (Honeywell to some of you guys) ES fan ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 02 February 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve I wanted to publicly thank Steve Sank for helping me fix my Nak MR-1 when it went on the fritz....... ......The job is done. The safety button works perfectly and I didn't even have to install a new part, nor did I have to make a hole in the panel. I used an existing control without compromising or eliminating any function. It wasn't even very difficult. What did I do? Clue: Think of a Nikon F3. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sat Feb 2 17:23:17 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 11:23:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve In-Reply-To: <000101c1abe5$5bddaf40$5b289bca@smarzuki> References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> <5.1.0.14.2.20020201124234.01f82ec0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020202040020.01f94100@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202104940.01faa600@mail.verizon.net> 2/2/02, Salim also wrote: > >I agree on Stephen's case. General scenario: the dead deck is here, i'm >sitting on the 'bench', staring at the serv manual and deck for days and >days, wondering what the problem was. Almost give up, send one question >to SS around midnight and received a reply the next morning. Half a >globe apart, he mentioned one possible problem part ... and voila, deck is >off the fritz ! Makes me feel like a blind, but glad, guy. Muchas >gracias senor Sank. Yep, as far as defritzing goes, Steve's the bee's knees. >BTW did you really say that "as is infrequently the case, Mr Sank > was absolutely right" ? :-D Yeah. (Shoulda put a smiley there). On the other hand, some of his erudite pronouncements about which components are good and which aren't are .... well, let's just say I don't always agree. STEVE !!!! That Citation II is a FABULOUS amplifier. One of the finest ever made, bar none. Its transformers are widely considered to be THE best of the best. And OF COURSE, it can benefit from updated caps!! So can any 35+ year old piece of electronic gear. As to the feedback, the nested feedback loops are a brilliant design. You're not going to make it any better messing with it. On mine I not only put in new polypropylene coupling caps, There's a quad of hexfreds, bypass caps on all the PS electolytics, and all the small tube sockets were changed to gold/ceramic types, rewired with silver where possible, But the topology was unchanged. When I first got it, completely stock and sporting a nice set of Genalex KT-88's, even then it sounded amazing. The Genalex are in storage. Now using a matched set of Tung Sols biased at 70 ma. Hmmph. _____________________ Marc Stager PS: Just so there's no confusion, I just want to note that, in this usage, the word "topology" has nothing whatsoever to do with the design of brassieres. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From caldwell at cvtel.net Sat Feb 2 17:07:33 2002 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:07:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Preamps and amps from yesterday Message-ID: <3C5BBA65.22912.7994E08@localhost> Steven, Thank you for the list. What is it about the occasional Sansui component that you like? Also, having been a fan of the writings by Dr. Gizmo (the late Harvey Rosenberg), I have heard about the NYAL Moscodes. What kind of money do these run today? I was under the impression they were rare. Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Feb 2 11:56:00 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Adina Hoffman) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 10:56:00 +0000 Subject: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> <002a01c1abbc$11bbb480$6d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C5BC5C0.23BDB668@concentric.net> >Slightly off topic here ... how can we tell if one amp is 'worse' due >to inadequate heatsinking ? As far as transistors go, actual temperature is not as important as its constancy. There is a simple formula for calculating (the all important) internal transistor junction temperature, that must be kept under 175 degrees C (as a safety margin, 155 is a better limit) for Silicon transistors. This often translates to over 70 degrees C at the heat sink, which feels very hot to the touch, yet could be perfectly OK for the transistors. > My PA7 runs only warm to the touch >but Bryston got very hot to the handle ! Made me somewhat worried >using that amp, despite the larger than average heatsink area. >Is that condition normal for each amp ? Transistor failure due to temperature rise is binary; meaning, it's completely OK up to a point, then, at a specific temperature, the junction fails and the transistor joins its ancestors (often taking with it sundry other parts). This is in contrast with, say, capacitor failure, that occurs gradually with rising temperature and with time. -- Ron > >Thanks in advance, >Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 2 17:30:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 16:30:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TT In-Reply-To: <000001c1abe5$5a8dfdc0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001901c1ac06$edf01500$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Salim To check the speed I use nothing fancy, just an old Lenco strobe disc and a strong light. Set this on any of my Lenco decks and you can see the lines stay steady as a rock, as if the disc was not spinning. On the PT, it can be observed moving slightly back and forth and creeping forward as it does. However, with my rubber band in place it just moves very very slightly back and forth. That back and forward motion is, I understand, symptomatic of the type of electric motor that the PT's use. Someone may correct me but I have kind of understood that with brush designs the motor actually switches on and off and the contacts move around. (Right?) The Lenco motors turn at a constant speed since they are d esigned in a different way. You can't hear the wow/flutter on the PT except, after extended listening on it, you do notice that piano sounds just that little bit more stable when the record is transferred onto the Lenco. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 February 2002 11:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Hi Graham, How do you check the speed of your PT table ... something like "Dual" type round markers ? Any noticable side effect or unstable pitch ? On this deck I can't hear additional wow or flutter, but maybe it will show on measurement meters. It was quite frustating dealing with this supposedly exact speed, because everything is and looks normal, probably that's why previous owner left out the pad lifter, to get tape pressured to head. Ugh, right now i have this most uncomfortable feeling ... just finished putting these babies on higher shelves, in preparation of a possible flood ! Does anybody else notice this extreme weather we're having in recent years ? Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Sat Feb 2 18:03:34 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 12:03:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202115213.01fb15a0@mail.verizon.net> Dear members of the Nak Pack: This message might be a repeat. It it already wung its way through the vast bowels of cyberspace, please make every effort to ignore either this one or the one that arrived previously. And please don't do anything drastic, It's really no big deal. Onward: ..... re: Salim wrote: >Marc, any other clue for an F-3-less guy ?? Graham wrote: Nikon F3? Now you've *completely* lost me! But then, I'm a Pentax (Honeywell to some of you guys) ES fan ... ... I see this has some of you flummoxed.... In previous Nikon models, the meter was switched on by its own switch or by slightly cocking the film advance (as on my personal favorite camera, the F2A). I have some of my photos on line, all except one taken with an F2 of F3, at http://marc.stager.com/gallery The meter switch on the F3 was built into the shutter release button. Then you squeezed the shutter lightly, the meter would turn on. When you squeezed it harder, you snapped the picture. This way you couldn't forget to switch off the light meter, and you wouldn't needlessly drain the battery. It took a little getting used to but worked very well. What I did on the MR-1 is similar in function. Now it's too easy. Everyone will figure it out. ___________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 2 18:03:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:03:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202115213.01fb15a0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <002101c1ac0b$8450f380$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Ah .... gotcha, Marc! If I'd done a bit of lateral thinking I'd have figured it as the ES did exactly the same. Graham -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sat Feb 2 18:09:52 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:09:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TT In-Reply-To: <001901c1ac06$edf01500$109a87d9@a4s1s2> References: <000001c1abe5$5a8dfdc0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C5BD710.17017.759BD2@localhost> Hello, Graham- D.C. motors use a switched magnetic field to rotate the motor armature; the 'brush' type have mechanical switches with a stationary contact and a rotating contact, the 'brushless' type use electronic switches with no mechanical contact. The brushes on a 'brush' motor don't really move around, or at least not in a way which would cause an audible wow. Pardon my ignorance about a PT, I'm not familiar with that turntable, although I do remember working on Lencos. All of my turntable experience is no newer than a decade old. But if you have a speed consistency problem that can be described by seeing the strobe disc lines slightly moving back and forth, it seems that the problem would be mechanical in nature and not electrical. For example - if the platter drive surface (the circumferential ring driven by the belt) were slightly eccentric, or very slightly oval shaped instead of circular, this would cause a one or two wow-per-revolution problem. If there is a problem with the platter bearing - either the one which supports the weight of the platter or the spindle which acts as the axle - you could also have a cyclic wow. One thing I've noticed about using a strobe disc to check platter speed is that if you have a warped strobe disc, or a flawed platter mat, or a warped platter - or any thing which causes the strobe disc to also move slightly up and down as it rotates - you will see the lines wobble slightly back and forth when viewed at an angle. If you instead view the strobe disc from directly overhead you will factor out the vertical wobble and the lines will be stable. Use a fluorescent light source if you have one, it makes it much easier to see the lines. Cheers Tim On 2 Feb 2002 at 16:30, Graham Nelson wrote: Hi Salim To check the speed I use nothing fancy, just an old Lenco strobe disc and a strong light. Set this on any of my Lenco decks and you can see the lines stay steady as a rock, as if the disc was not spinning. On the PT, it can be observed moving slightly back and forth and creeping forward as it does. However, with my rubber band in place it just moves very very slightly back and forth. That back and forward motion is, I understand, symptomatic of the type of electric motor that the PT's use. Someone may correct me but I have kind of understood that with brush designs the motor actually switches on and off and the contacts move around. (Right?) The Lenco motors turn at a constant speed since they are d esigned in a different way. You can't hear the wow/flutter on the PT except, after extended listening on it, you do notice that piano sounds just that little bit more stable when the record is transferred onto the Lenco. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 02 February 2002 11:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Hi Graham, How do you check the speed of your PT table ...something like "Dual" type round markers ? Any noticable side effect or unstable pitch ? On this deck I can't hear additional wow or flutter, but maybe it will show on measurement meters. It was quite frustating dealing with this supposedly exact speed, because everything is and looks normal, probably that's why previous owner left out the pad lifter, to get tape pressured to head. Ugh, right now i have this most uncomfortable feeling ... just finished putting these babies on higher shelves, in preparation of a possible flood ! Does anybody else notice this extreme weather we're having in recent years ? Cheers, Salim SM -- Tim Barrett timbarrett at cox.rr.com Fairfax, VA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Sat Feb 2 18:13:56 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:13:56 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 Message-ID: <47.178b4f9e.298d7854@aol.com> In a message dated 2/2/02 3:54:47 AM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, sounds great. So it is a distinct possibity that my BX-1 crackling noise in record may be caused by them Orange Varmints? Richard "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Feb 2 18:21:47 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:21:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202115213.01fb15a0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <012c01c1ac0e$18786eb0$19756acf@johnrotten> Heck with the Naks, we wanna hear about Olivia! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve > Dear members of the Nak Pack: > > This message might be a repeat. It it already wung > its way through the vast bowels of cyberspace, > please make every effort to ignore either this one > or the one that arrived previously. And please don't do > anything drastic, It's really no big deal. > > Onward: > ..... > > re: > Salim wrote: > >Marc, any other clue for an F-3-less guy ?? > > Graham wrote: > Nikon F3? Now you've *completely* lost me! But then, I'm a Pentax > (Honeywell to some of you guys) ES fan ... > ... > > I see this has some of you flummoxed.... > > In previous Nikon models, the meter was switched on by > its own switch or by slightly cocking the film advance > (as on my personal favorite camera, the F2A). > I have some of my photos on line, all except one taken > with an F2 of F3, at http://marc.stager.com/gallery > > The meter switch on the F3 was built into the shutter release > button. Then you squeezed the shutter lightly, the meter > would turn on. When you squeezed it harder, you snapped > the picture. This way you couldn't forget to switch off the > light meter, and you wouldn't needlessly drain the battery. > It took a little getting used to but worked very well. > > What I did on the MR-1 is similar in function. > > Now it's too easy. Everyone will figure it out. > > ___________________ Marc Stager > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 2 18:38:27 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:38:27 +0700 Subject: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> <002a01c1abbc$11bbb480$6d289bca@smarzuki> <3C5BC5C0.23BDB668@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000f01c1ac10$6c9a72c0$7b289bca@smarzuki> Thanks for the explanation Ron ! The amp got hot real quick but stayed stable at that temperature - which unnecessarily heats my room real well. I was wondering if the heatsink is not enough. For a moment there i was lost with the new name. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Adina Hoffman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) >Slightly off topic here ... how can we tell if one amp is 'worse' due >to inadequate heatsinking ? As far as transistors go, actual temperature is not as important as its constancy. There is a simple formula for calculating (the all important) internal transistor junction temperature, that must be kept under 175 degrees C (as a safety margin, 155 is a better limit) for Silicon transistors. This often translates to over 70 degrees C at the heat sink, which feels very hot to the touch, yet could be perfectly OK for the transistors. > My PA7 runs only warm to the touch >but Bryston got very hot to the handle ! Made me somewhat worried >using that amp, despite the larger than average heatsink area. >Is that condition normal for each amp ? Transistor failure due to temperature rise is binary; meaning, it's completely OK up to a point, then, at a specific temperature, the junction fails and the transistor joins its ancestors (often taking with it sundry other parts). This is in contrast with, say, capacitor failure, that occurs gradually with rising temperature and with time. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 2 18:47:17 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:47:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020202115213.01fb15a0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001701c1ac11$a8d16040$7b289bca@smarzuki> Mark, had you said, think FA, i would've guessed it ! :-)) But now wouldn't it got easier to accidentally put the deck in record mode ? Oh well, looks like i guessed wrong .. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve Dear members of the Nak Pack: This message might be a repeat. It it already wung its way through the vast bowels of cyberspace, please make every effort to ignore either this one or the one that arrived previously. And please don't do anything drastic, It's really no big deal. Onward: ..... re: Salim wrote: >Marc, any other clue for an F-3-less guy ?? Graham wrote: Nikon F3? Now you've *completely* lost me! But then, I'm a Pentax (Honeywell to some of you guys) ES fan ... ... I see this has some of you flummoxed.... In previous Nikon models, the meter was switched on by its own switch or by slightly cocking the film advance (as on my personal favorite camera, the F2A). I have some of my photos on line, all except one taken with an F2 of F3, at http://marc.stager.com/gallery The meter switch on the F3 was built into the shutter release button. Then you squeezed the shutter lightly, the meter would turn on. When you squeezed it harder, you snapped the picture. This way you couldn't forget to switch off the light meter, and you wouldn't needlessly drain the battery. It took a little getting used to but worked very well. What I did on the MR-1 is similar in function. Now it's too easy. Everyone will figure it out. ___________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 2 18:52:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:52:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 References: <47.178b4f9e.298d7854@aol.com> Message-ID: <002301c1ac12$73aa1640$7b289bca@smarzuki> Not real sure about BX, but as long as those oranges still in there, you have a whole lotta potential cracklings ! I also had a bad lytics which made cracklings on record, but it was a way old 680 deck. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: RUINTHERE at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 In a message dated 2/2/02 3:54:47 AM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, sounds great. So it is a distinct possibity that my BX-1 crackling noise in record may be caused by them Orange Varmints? Richard "Tigers Older brother DAG" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Sat Feb 2 19:32:16 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:32:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: <3C5A5339.15988.21E1252@localhost> Message-ID: <004601c1ac17$f0f68e80$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> marantz 120 tuner, relatively cheap (compared to a 10b) erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Caldwell" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > I have read the string of complaints about current component > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > Thanks, > Scott > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Sat Feb 2 19:35:11 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:35:11 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve References: Message-ID: <006e01c1ac18$596d1c40$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> I am sensing a trend here, you will have to pry my F3 and my 700II from my cold dead hands... erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 6:47 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve > As far as I remember, F3 (successor to the F2A/S) was a both aperture priority or shutter priority automatic 35mm SLR with fully metered manual overide, basically a "systems" camera with all the pro conveniences of motor drive (not just speed wind) and a bulk film loading back. Built for the long haul and roughly equivalent to Canon F1 and Contax RTS, but tougher. Widely considered the best SLR in the pro and serious amateur photography scene. Superseded by the F4, but not necessarily liked as much. (Sound familiar!!!). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 20:29:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:29:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 References: <47.178b4f9e.298d7854@aol.com> Message-ID: <089401c1ac1f$e4130560$363442cf@sank1> I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX decks. On the BX-1, the first thing to do is pull out the head switching relay & carefully clean the contacts, or replace the relay. Cleaning these requires a trip to a real electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a "contact burnishing tool", which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, very fine coarse surface on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon without stripping the thin gold plating. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > In a message dated 2/2/02 3:54:47 AM Central Standard Time, > owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right > channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in > recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc > area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, > sounds great. > > So it is a distinct possibity that my BX-1 crackling noise in record may be > caused by them Orange Varmints? > Richard > > > "Tigers Older brother DAG" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 20:36:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:36:09 -0700 Subject: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> <002a01c1abbc$11bbb480$6d289bca@smarzuki> <3C5BC5C0.23BDB668@concentric.net> <000f01c1ac10$6c9a72c0$7b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <08ab01c1ac20$de0fe880$363442cf@sank1> I haven't walked up to any Brystons I've listened to, nor have I worked on any of their amps(since they have a 20 year, factory-only warranty), so I unfortunately do not know what's normal for them on heat. I have never heard of them being class A bias, or very hot running, so it'd be worth some investigation. I'd say go to Stereophile's website & look up old reviews & see what is said about heat. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) > > Thanks for the explanation Ron ! The amp got hot real quick but stayed stable at that temperature - which unnecessarily heats my room real well. I was wondering if the heatsink is not enough. > > For a moment there i was lost with the new name. :-) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adina Hoffman > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) > > > > >Slightly off topic here ... how can we tell if one amp is 'worse' due >to inadequate heatsinking ? > > As far as transistors go, actual temperature is not > as important as its constancy. There is a simple > formula for calculating (the all important) internal > transistor junction temperature, that must be kept > under 175 degrees C (as a safety margin, 155 is a > better limit) for Silicon transistors. This often > translates to over 70 degrees C at the heat sink, > which feels very hot to the touch, yet could be > perfectly OK for the transistors. > > > My PA7 runs only warm to the touch > >but Bryston got very hot to the handle ! Made me somewhat worried >using that amp, despite the larger than average heatsink area. > >Is that condition normal for each amp ? > > Transistor failure due to temperature rise is binary; > meaning, it's completely OK up to a point, then, at a > specific temperature, the junction fails and the > transistor joins its ancestors (often taking with it > sundry other parts). This is in contrast with, say, > capacitor failure, that occurs gradually with rising > temperature and with time. > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 2 20:34:18 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:34:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning head switching relay In-Reply-To: <089401c1ac1f$e4130560$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20020202193418.53647.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> That's exactly what I need to do to one of my RX-202's. Scott J. --- Stephen Sank wrote: > I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX > decks. On the BX-1, the > first thing to do is pull out the head switching > relay & carefully clean the > contacts, or replace the relay. Cleaning these > requires a trip to a real > electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a > "contact burnishing tool", > which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, > very fine coarse surface > on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon > without stripping the thin > gold plating. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:13 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > > > > In a message dated 2/2/02 3:54:47 AM Central > Standard Time, > > owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > > Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also > had r/p problems on right > > channel. Amazing how those caps can render a > deck almost useless in > > recording ... calibration problem was also caused > by oranges in tone osc > > area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, > and with upgraded opamp, > > sounds great. > > > > So it is a distinct possibity that my BX-1 > crackling noise in record may > be > > caused by them Orange Varmints? > > > Richard > > > > > > "Tigers Older brother DAG" > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 20:48:04 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:48:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Preamps and amps from yesterday References: <3C5BBA65.22912.7994E08@localhost> Message-ID: <08bf01c1ac22$8860df00$363442cf@sank1> The Moscode 300 & 600 models are not too hard to find, although they have lately been scarce. The other amp models, the little 150, the giant 1000 & 901, are quite rare, though. Normally, stock 300's go for about $400-500 & stock 600's $500-700, but there is a 600 on ebay right now, bone stock, that is inexplicably at over $1000 so far. And to Marc, I agree that the Citation II has great transformers, no doubt, but I have heard many of them in stock form, and I have never thought they sounded as good as even a Dynaco MkIII pair. Never heard one with Gold Lions, but I doubt that would have made enough difference to change my opinion. The stock amp just sounds cloudy to me, almost fuzzy. No clarity in the mids or top end. Just my opinion, of course. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Caldwell" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Preamps and amps from yesterday > Steven, > Thank you for the list. What is it about the occasional Sansui > component that you like? > Also, having been a fan of the writings by Dr. Gizmo (the late > Harvey Rosenberg), I have heard about the NYAL Moscodes. What > kind of money do these run today? > I was under the impression they were rare. > > Scott > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Feb 2 21:37:26 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:37:26 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 Message-ID: <3CB5E690@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Do Dragons suffer from the orange film cap problems? Fred Moss ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX decks. On the BX-1, the >first thing to do is pull out the head switching relay & carefully clean the >contacts, or replace the relay. Cleaning these requires a trip to a real >electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a "contact burnishing tool", >which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, very fine coarse surface >on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon without stripping the thin >gold plating. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:13 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > > >> In a message dated 2/2/02 3:54:47 AM Central Standard Time, >> owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: >> Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right >> channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in >> recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc >> area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, >> sounds great. >> >> So it is a distinct possibity that my BX-1 crackling noise in record may >be >> caused by them Orange Varmints? >> >Richard >> >> >> "Tigers Older brother DAG" >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Feb 2 22:22:36 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 16:22:36 -0500 Subject: Amp heat (was Re: [naktalk] OT: NAD quality) References: <005001c1a81b$64d5c880$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> <3C556E22.7709.1BE7B73@localhost> <3C562FC6.389153BC@snet.net> <3C56B6B0.DEED2217@concentric.net> <020101c1a8f4$3d1ecd80$363442cf@sank1> <002a01c1abbc$11bbb480$6d289bca@smarzuki> <3C5BC5C0.23BDB668@concentric.net> <000f01c1ac10$6c9a72c0$7b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C5C589C.91911A9B@concentric.net> >Thanks for the explanation Ron ! The amp got hot real quick but stayed stable at >that temperature - which unnecessarily heats my room real well. >I was wondering if the heatsink is not enough. I guess I misunderstood your question. If the amp gets 'real hot' beyond its design point (even if not enough to blow a transistor), this *is* cause for concern. First, because something must obviously be amiss. Second, because whatever it is, it could advance further, enough to eventually blow the output devices. Since I am not familiar with the amp, I can't say whether it's too hot. If it was mine, I would measure the output stage bias current and find out from their Technical Support whether it was reasonably close to correct. They should also be able to tell you at what temperature does the amp tend to run at. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 2 22:35:52 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:35:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 References: <3CB5E690@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <092d01c1ac31$97b856e0$363442cf@sank1> Oh, god, yes. Dragons are quite often victims of orange cap disease. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > >Do Dragons suffer from the orange film cap problems? > > Fred Moss > > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX decks. On the BX-1, the > >first thing to do is pull out the head switching relay & carefully clean the > >contacts, or replace the relay. Cleaning these requires a trip to a real > >electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a "contact burnishing tool", > >which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, very fine coarse surface > >on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon without stripping the thin > >gold plating. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:13 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > > > > > >> In a message dated 2/2/02 3:54:47 AM Central Standard Time, > >> owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > >> Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right > >> channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in > >> recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc > >> area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, > >> sounds great. > >> > >> So it is a distinct possibity that my BX-1 crackling noise in record may > >be > >> caused by them Orange Varmints? > >> > >Richard > >> > >> > >> "Tigers Older brother DAG" > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Feb 3 03:12:09 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:12:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: DVD player digital output question Message-ID: <20020202.211302.-946453.0.josephj69@juno.com> I know this is probably a stupid question, but does anyone know exactly what is fed out through the digital output jack of a DVD player? If I take a standard video DVD (not a DVD-A), will I be able to record a digital audio stream to DAT? If so, what is the sampling rate used on DVDs? If this is possible, it would be awfully useful for making CD-Rs of concert videos! Just curious. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Sun Feb 3 03:21:26 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:21:26 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 Message-ID: <71.19de67c1.298df8a6@aol.com> In a message dated 2/2/02 1:46:12 PM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: << Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:29:09 -0700 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX decks. On the BX-1, the first thing to do is pull out the head switching relay & carefully clean the contacts, or replace the relay. Cleaning these requires a trip to a real electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a "contact burnishing tool", which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, very fine coarse surface on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon without stripping the thin gold plating. Will emery cloth, or a fine Nicholson file work, or even a light steel brush? This sounds very similar to the treatment necessary to fix your previously mentioned in Gear of the past protection relay on the Marantz 240 (which I have and like but baby needs some new output stages. I have settled on the MOT MJ802/4502 combo is that a good substitute? Now for something completely different... I took the plunge earlier today and pick up the Apex 1500 DVD player for $80 @ circuit city. How do I disable the protection or get it to work with my VCR (thru it for a video input not to record). It's doing the funky brightness protection dance. I know go buy a new TV. I would love to but it would mean putting my old (1986 purchase) Mitsubishi 19" away. It still works great after a 5 minute warmup for focus, I have NEVER touched this thing and it still is working great, thats hard to find nowadays. Unlike a 1 year old RCA, GE, or Magnavox that you have to kick them to start or turn on. Rule # 1.... never buy as GE, or RCA see sci.electronics.repair or whatever it is newsgroup. Major crap solder connections and circuitboards. Richard BTW Stephen I think I need to correspond with you about my bulk Nak purchases of late that are in need of service.. 480, 500, 700 (which has totally blown me away as far as a cassette deck goes), and the BX1 (which can probably benefit from the gear). Will any of these even sound remotely close to the 700 it's like the difference between 8 tracks and CD's right now. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Feb 3 03:33:30 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:33:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 Message-ID: <20020202.213330.-700621.1.josephj69@juno.com> Richard, The first thing you want to do is go to the DVD Wizards page: http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk ... and read the page dedicated to your 1500 in its ENTIRETY: http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk/1500/1500_firmware.htm It looks like there are several versions of that model, some upgradable, some not. Note that the 1500 is not the most desirable Apex player. You would be better off with a 500W, but these can be tough to find (do not confuse with the 500WM). Just read up on the web page, check your serial number, and go from there. Since you bought from Circuit City, you can always return it and get your money back if it doesn't work out. Good luck, Joe > Now for something completely different... I took the plunge earlier > today and > pick up the Apex 1500 DVD player for $80 @ circuit city. How do I > disable the > protection or get it to work with my VCR (thru it for a video input > not to > record). It's doing the funky brightness protection dance. I know go > buy a > new TV. I would love to but it would mean putting my old (1986 > purchase) > Mitsubishi 19" away. It still works great after a 5 minute warmup > for focus, > I have NEVER touched this thing and it still is working great, thats > hard to > find nowadays. Unlike a 1 year old RCA, GE, or Magnavox that you > have to kick > them to start or turn on. Rule # 1.... never buy as GE, or RCA see > sci.electronics.repair or whatever it is newsgroup. Major crap solder > > connections and circuitboards. > > Richard ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Sun Feb 3 05:50:42 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:50:42 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 References: <71.19de67c1.298df8a6@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c1ac6e$56430f60$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> try this...http://www.dvd-wizards.com/darrenk/ but you didn't get it from me... erie ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 > In a message dated 2/2/02 1:46:12 PM Central Standard Time, > owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > > << Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:29:09 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > > I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX decks. On the BX-1, the > first thing to do is pull out the head switching relay & carefully clean the > contacts, or replace the relay. > Cleaning these requires a trip to a real > electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a "contact burnishing tool", > which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, very fine coarse surface > on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon without stripping the thin > gold plating. > > Will emery cloth, or a fine Nicholson file work, or even a light steel brush? > This sounds very similar to the treatment necessary to fix your previously > mentioned in Gear of the past protection relay on the Marantz 240 (which I > have and like but baby needs some new output stages. I have settled on the > MOT MJ802/4502 combo is that a good substitute? > > Now for something completely different... I took the plunge earlier today and > pick up the Apex 1500 DVD player for $80 @ circuit city. How do I disable the > protection or get it to work with my VCR (thru it for a video input not to > record). It's doing the funky brightness protection dance. I know go buy a > new TV. I would love to but it would mean putting my old (1986 purchase) > Mitsubishi 19" away. It still works great after a 5 minute warmup for focus, > I have NEVER touched this thing and it still is working great, thats hard to > find nowadays. Unlike a 1 year old RCA, GE, or Magnavox that you have to kick > them to start or turn on. Rule # 1.... never buy as GE, or RCA see > sci.electronics.repair or whatever it is newsgroup. Major crap solder > connections and circuitboards. > > Richard > BTW Stephen I think I need to correspond with you about my bulk Nak purchases > of late that are in need of service.. 480, 500, 700 (which has totally blown > me away as far as a cassette deck goes), and the BX1 (which can probably > benefit from the gear). Will any of these even sound remotely close to the > 700 it's like the difference between 8 tracks and CD's right now. > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > "Tigers Older brother DAG" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 3 06:12:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 22:12:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 References: <71.19de67c1.298df8a6@aol.com> Message-ID: <099b01c1ac71$65e56960$363442cf@sank1> On bigger relays, like in a Marantz 240, I just pull out the contactor arm & srape gently with a jeweller's screwdriver. But the relay in the Nak is a tiny DIP relay, with non-removable arm & just enough space between the contacts to fit a burnishing tool. Any kind of sandpaper, even 800 grit, will strip the plating right off. I swear the plating is like a molecule thick. On the 240, I'd recommend MJ15024/MJ15025, or MJ15003/MJ15004. The Nak 500 is capable of sounding nearly as musical as the 700, if it's got very low wear. But the 480 & BX decks have a Sendust r/p head, and wouldn't sound at all the same, although the 480 does sound very good. I frankly would not invest the money or effort to gearmod any 2-head BX deck. The single capstan Sankyo transports just ain't gonna last long enough to make it worth it. And they don't sound that great. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 > In a message dated 2/2/02 1:46:12 PM Central Standard Time, > owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > > << Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:29:09 -0700 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1900 > > I haven't yet seen orange film cap problems on BX decks. On the BX-1, the > first thing to do is pull out the head switching relay & carefully clean the > contacts, or replace the relay. > Cleaning these requires a trip to a real > electronics parts store(not R.S.) and buying a "contact burnishing tool", > which is a narrow strip of metal with a very, very, very fine coarse surface > on both sides. This scrubs off oxides/carbon without stripping the thin > gold plating. > > Will emery cloth, or a fine Nicholson file work, or even a light steel brush? > This sounds very similar to the treatment necessary to fix your previously > mentioned in Gear of the past protection relay on the Marantz 240 (which I > have and like but baby needs some new output stages. I have settled on the > MOT MJ802/4502 combo is that a good substitute? > > Now for something completely different... I took the plunge earlier today and > pick up the Apex 1500 DVD player for $80 @ circuit city. How do I disable the > protection or get it to work with my VCR (thru it for a video input not to > record). It's doing the funky brightness protection dance. I know go buy a > new TV. I would love to but it would mean putting my old (1986 purchase) > Mitsubishi 19" away. It still works great after a 5 minute warmup for focus, > I have NEVER touched this thing and it still is working great, thats hard to > find nowadays. Unlike a 1 year old RCA, GE, or Magnavox that you have to kick > them to start or turn on. Rule # 1.... never buy as GE, or RCA see > sci.electronics.repair or whatever it is newsgroup. Major crap solder > connections and circuitboards. > > Richard > BTW Stephen I think I need to correspond with you about my bulk Nak purchases > of late that are in need of service.. 480, 500, 700 (which has totally blown > me away as far as a cassette deck goes), and the BX1 (which can probably > benefit from the gear). Will any of these even sound remotely close to the > 700 it's like the difference between 8 tracks and CD's right now. > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > > > "Tigers Older brother DAG" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Feb 3 06:48:33 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:48:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday In-Reply-To: <080501c1ab97$5f8be6a0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Would upgrading the transformers be feasible; say, silver wired transformers? What sort of money are you talking about for the mods you described? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday Honestly, I haven't had the opportunity to see how much I could "un-darken" an MC240/MC40, so I can't swear that the dark character is not in the output transformer or use of 6L6 tubes in that type of circuit. Mac tube amp owners fall into two categories: 1) Those who love them too much to consider upgrades. 2) Those who are terrified of diminishing the "collector value" by deviating from pure stock condition. So, while I have done a fair number of MC60's, I have not done any MC240s. But I would take the same approach as with the MC60- MIT signal caps, Roederstein >1watt resistors throughout, soft recovery rectifier diodes, lots more supply capacitance & film capping, and so on. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > What do you do to the mc240 to improve its sound? I have one sitting on my > dining room table not being used (in favour of an audio note amp) at the > moment. > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon receivers or > preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation II being one of > those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible reliability, poor tuners & > not great sound, in my opinion. Build quality was poor as well. The > Citation II is only a good sounding amp if you replace all of the signal > caps(at the least) and reduce the way-excessive feedback, so I deliberately > left it off the list. I listed only those units that don't need upgrading > to sound good(hence exclusion of the Mac MC40, 240, 30 & 60), and strictly > as my personal opinions, based on both sound & reliability. > The Yamaha R-500 & all of their receivers from the CR2040 generation thru > the R100 generation used hybrid IC modules as power amps & drivers, and > these are all fast approaching hopelessly unavailable, including the Sanyo > STK-series modules used in the R-500. > And I just never liked the sound of any Perreaux piece. It all seemed like > imitation Hafler to me. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Stager" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > Steve, > > > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > > > ============================= > > > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > > >recall models): > > >Receivers: > > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > > >Nak 730 (1978) > > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth > having) > > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > > > >Integrated amps: > > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > > > >Preamps: > > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into unbeatable) > > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > > > >Amps: > > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > > >course) > > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, 500, > > >300(1962-98) > > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > > > >Tuners: > > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > > >Marantz 10B > > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) (1990ish) > > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other people) > > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > > >To: > > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Sat Feb 2 15:43:42 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:43:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C5BB4CE.3604.2A6F72E@localhost> On 2 Feb 2002 at 14:47, Mark Hugo wrote: > As far as I remember, F3 (successor to the F2A/S) was a both aperture priority or shutter priority automatic 35mm SLR with fully metered manual overide, basically a "systems" camera with all the pro conveniences of motor drive (not just speed wind) and a bulk film loading back. Built for the long haul and roughly equivalent to Canon F1 and Contax RTS, but tougher. Widely considered the best SLR in the pro and serious amateur photography scene. Superseded by the F4, but not necessarily liked as much. (Sound familiar!!!). > None of which tells us just what he did for a control switch. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Feb 3 16:14:16 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:14:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, Steve References: <3C5BB4CE.3604.2A6F72E@localhost> Message-ID: <3C5D53C8.81398DDD@concentric.net> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > On 2 Feb 2002 at 14:47, Mark Hugo wrote: > > > As far as I remember, F3 (successor to the F2A/S) was a both aperture priority or shutter priority automatic 35mm SLR with fully metered manual overide, basically a "systems" camera with all the pro conveniences of motor drive (not just speed wind) and a bulk film loading back. Built for the > long haul and roughly equivalent to Canon F1 and Contax RTS, but tougher. Widely considered the best SLR in the pro and serious amateur photography scene. Superseded by the F4, but not necessarily liked as much. (Sound familiar!!!). > > > > None of which tells us just what he did for a control switch. I have no idea what he did for a control switch and am not familiar with the MR-1. However, here's what I would do... Assuming that all function control push buttons connect a control line to ground, it's a simple matter (add a resistor, cap and diode) to make the Record button functional only immediately after the Stop button has been pressed and non-functional at all other times (I assume Record does not work *while* Stop is pressed). Now, hitting Record accidentally, for any length of time, will not initiate recording. The procedure to actually record will be to hit Stop and Record simultaneously (nothing will happen), then release Stop (at which point, Record mode will engage). Another approach (ergonomically not as sound, but will still work) is delay engagement of the record function. This would require one to push Record for, say, 0.5 Sec for actual recording. This will cut down on accidental recordings, but can become a nuisance for actual recordings. It requires adding one cap and two resistors. Neither approach utilizes the record prevention micro- switch. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Feb 3 16:27:43 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:27:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 References: <71.19de67c1.298df8a6@aol.com> <099b01c1ac71$65e56960$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C5D56EF.C3C77112@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > On bigger relays, like in a Marantz 240, I just pull out the contactor arm & > srape gently with a jeweller's screwdriver. But the relay in the Nak is a > tiny DIP relay, with non-removable arm & just enough space between the > contacts to fit a burnishing tool. Any kind of sandpaper, even 800 grit, > will strip the plating right off. I swear the plating is like a molecule > thick. In a spot, a small piece of thin rough cardboard can be used as a makeshift burnishing tool. Requires a bit more effort, but does the job. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sun Feb 3 18:20:41 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:20:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1904 In-Reply-To: <3C5D56EF.C3C77112@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C5D2B19.6878.4FAFD30@localhost> Ron- The burnishing tool that Stephen speaks of is a great little tool. It is available from GC Walsco under the number GC9338. Somehow I ended up with two of them of different widths. I've used them on many relays and they work like champs. If you follow up the burnish with a touch of the proper anti-oxidant, the relay will be happy for years. I've tried using paper or cardboard but stopped after one episode of having a little bit of paper fiber come loose and get between the contacts. Also, for those occasions when you have unrestricted access to switch or relay contacts, a typewriter eraser works very well for cleaning. -Tim On 3 Feb 2002 at 10:27, Ron wrote: > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > On bigger relays, like in a Marantz 240, I just pull out the contactor arm & > > srape gently with a jeweller's screwdriver. But the relay in the Nak is a > > tiny DIP relay, with non-removable arm & just enough space between the > > contacts to fit a burnishing tool. Any kind of sandpaper, even 800 grit, > > will strip the plating right off. I swear the plating is like a molecule > > thick. > > In a spot, a small piece of thin rough cardboard can > be used as a makeshift burnishing tool. Requires a bit > more effort, but does the job. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tim Barrett timbarrett at cox.rr.com Fairfax, VA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 3 20:35:23 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:35:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday References: Message-ID: <0a4301c1ace9$ed2b9b60$363442cf@sank1> Rewinding the transformers is "feasible", if you know a very skilled transformer rewinder & have probably a thousand $ or two to throw at him. Would be pretty amazing to do silver-wound Mac output transformers, I must say. To otherwise upgrade a 240 or pair of 40's, which is relatively easy, would hit a maximum I could see of maybe $800 or so, perhaps $1k. With wise selection of which things to do first, the 75 percent of best performance level could be reached at around a few hundred. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > Would upgrading the transformers be feasible; say, silver wired > transformers? What sort of money are you talking about for the mods you > described? > > Regards, > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > Honestly, I haven't had the opportunity to see how much I could "un-darken" > an MC240/MC40, so I can't swear that the dark character is not in the output > transformer or use of 6L6 tubes in that type of circuit. Mac tube amp > owners fall into two categories: 1) Those who love them too much to > consider upgrades. 2) Those who are terrified of diminishing the "collector > value" by deviating from pure stock condition. So, while I have done a fair > number of MC60's, I have not done any MC240s. But I would take the same > approach as with the MC60- MIT signal caps, Roederstein >1watt resistors > throughout, soft recovery rectifier diodes, lots more supply capacitance & > film capping, and so on. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tiberius Gaius" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:34 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > What do you do to the mc240 to improve its sound? I have one sitting on > my > > dining room table not being used (in favour of an audio note amp) at the > > moment. > > > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 5:38 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > There has never been & still ain't any reliable Harman Kardon receivers or > > preamps, and barely any reliable amps, with the Citation II being one of > > those. The 580i & 680i had particularly horrible reliability, poor tuners > & > > not great sound, in my opinion. Build quality was poor as well. The > > Citation II is only a good sounding amp if you replace all of the signal > > caps(at the least) and reduce the way-excessive feedback, so I > deliberately > > left it off the list. I listed only those units that don't need upgrading > > to sound good(hence exclusion of the Mac MC40, 240, 30 & 60), and strictly > > as my personal opinions, based on both sound & reliability. > > The Yamaha R-500 & all of their receivers from the CR2040 generation thru > > the R100 generation used hybrid IC modules as power amps & drivers, and > > these are all fast approaching hopelessly unavailable, including the Sanyo > > STK-series modules used in the R-500. > > And I just never liked the sound of any Perreaux piece. It all seemed > like > > imitation Hafler to me. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marc Stager" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 10:52 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > You left out the Harman Kardon 580i and 680i receivers. > > > Beautiful sounding units incorporating the Citation wide bandwidth > > > design. Also very functional and looked very elegant. > > > > > > Another nice one, I have this at my computer, was the Yamaha > > > "natural sound" series. The R-500 has an ingenious loudness/volume > > > control design making it perfect for listening at lower volume. > > > > > > Amplifiers: You left out one of the very best: The H-K Citation II, > > > and the magnificent Perreaux MosFet amps like the 2150B. > > > And my personal favorite, which replaced the McIntosh MC-40 > > > and later, trioded 60's, the Altec 1568A's with a simple PS upgrade. > > > > > > _____________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > ============================= > > > > > > At 2/1/02, you wrote: > > > >My personal recommendations(in random order, and as my poor memory can > > > >recall models): > > > >Receivers: > > > >Nak SR-2, 3, 4 (1985) > > > >Nak 730 (1978) > > > >Nak TA-3, 4 (1987)(some reliability issues) > > > >McIntosh 1700 (1968-72) > > > >McIntosh 1900 (1970ish-74ish) > > > >McIntosh 4100 (1982-86) > > > >Sansui G-33000, 22000, 9700, 9000, 8700DB, 8000, etc. (1979-81) > > > >Sansui 9900Z, 7900Z (1982) (blow up once in a while, but still worth > > having) > > > >Tandberg TR2075 (1980ish) > > > > > > > >Integrated amps: > > > >McIntosh MA6200, 6100, 5100 (70's-80's) > > > >Sansui AU20000,11000, AU-D11, AU-D9 (1979-81) > > > > > > > >Preamps: > > > >McIntosh C22, C11, C27, C29, C33(1962-84) > > > >Nakamichi 410, CA-5(not CA-5II) (1976-86) > > > >Apt Holman("HP")(killer phono stage for solid state) (1980ish-85) > > > >Moscode Minuet, Minuet in A (mid 80's) (I rebuild these into > unbeatable) > > > >conrad-johnson PV-5, 9, 11, 12, Premier 10, PF-2 > > > >Marantz 7(7C) (1962-68) > > > >Spectral DMC series(any) (80's-present) > > > > > > > >Amps: > > > >Moscode 1000, 901, 600, 300, 150 (mid 80's) (I rebuild these also, of > > > >course) > > > >McIntosh MC275, 75, 225, 2300, 2105, 2100, 100, 2505, 250, 50, 1000, > 500, > > > >300(1962-98) > > > >Nakamichi PA-5, 5II, 7, 7II, 620, 420(1976-88) > > > >Marantz 9, 8B, 8, 500, 250, 240 (1962-70) > > > >Spectral DMA series(any)(80's-now) > > > >Rowland(any)(really expensive)(80's-now) > > > >Aragon 8008, 4004 (late 80's-current)(don't like some speakers) > > > >Adcom GFA535, 535II (80's) > > > >conrad-johnson Premier 4, 8, 11A, MV52 (80's-90's) > > > >Rotel RB970BX (90's) > > > >Acrosound (any) (50's-64ish) > > > > > > > >Tuners: > > > >McIntosh MR71, MR65B, MR67, MR78, MR80 (1965-83) > > > >Nakamichi ST-7, 430, 630 (1976-86ish) > > > >Yamaha T-2, T-85, T-80 (1978-85) > > > >Marantz 10B > > > >Pioneer Elite F-99X(a recent discovery of a very nice ss tuner) > (1990ish) > > > >Sansui TU-X1, 9900 (1979-81)(I'm not as gaga about these as other > people) > > > >Adcom GFT-1A, 2, 555 (80's) > > > >Hafler DH330 (80's) > > > >Tandberg 3001A, 3011 (80's)(see Sansui comment) > > > >Revox B760 (80's) > > > > > > > >That's about all I have time to write. Certainly there are many > > > >unintentional omissions, and many deliberate omissions(such as Audio > > > >Research, NAD, Luxman, Carver, etc.). > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://secure.paypal.x.com/refer/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Scott Caldwell" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 7:35 AM > > > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have read the string of complaints about current component > > > > > quality. Does anybody have specific recommendations about quality > > > > > (sound and construction) power and pre amps from the 80's and > > > > > 90's? I generally buy used equipment (my ZX-7 was an exception), > > > > > thus your opinions would help my shopping. > > > > > I currently am using an Adcom GFA-535 and the power section > > > > > from a 70's Sony V-Fet integrated amp in a bi-amp setup. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > >======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > >resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > = > > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Feb 3 21:54:37 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 07:54:37 +1100 Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's great news Salim, those crappy orange caps will always cause headaches. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2002 6:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Hi Tom, Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, sounds great. Well, almost perfect. The mechanism is still problematic due to inadequate tape tension. Capstans' size measured and calculated okay - to give approx 2.8% speed difference, but in reality ... probably because of slightly tilted takeup or supply capstan ? Anyway, with the additional thickness from taped flywheel, freq. response is now very good. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 Hi Salim, I forgot about the direct drive capstan - goes to show how much I know (not much). The two problems I had with the unit were both related to those dreadful orange caps. The first problem was that the erase oscillator stopped working, thanks to Stephen he pointed out which two capacitors were at fault. The second problem was related to the Dolby circuit, playback with B or C type was perfect however recording on C type would only record right channel - problem fixed after replacing the orange caps on the Dolby circuit board. Now I have a healthy ZX9. Keep us posted with your results on your ZX. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 3 22:25:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:25:30 -0700 Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0ab201c1acf9$4f4f0f20$363442cf@sank1> Salim, Do you have a stroboscope you could use to check the actual rotational speed flywheels, to see if your math is equating reality? I'm a bit worried about stretching tapes & excessive pressure on the head. You brought up an interesting possibility. The deck may have gotten rough handling in shipping & etc. to the point of perhaps slightly bending the chassis sheet metal where the flywheel bearings are mounted. I've never seen this happen, but it is possible. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: RE: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) > That's great news Salim, those crappy orange caps will always cause headaches. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2002 6:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) > > > > Hi Tom, > > Just like your ZX, my dolby C circuit also had r/p problems on right channel. Amazing how those caps can render a deck almost useless in recording ... calibration problem was also caused by oranges in tone osc area ! Lucky me. It's now working perfectly, and with upgraded opamp, sounds great. > > Well, almost perfect. The mechanism is still problematic due to inadequate tape tension. Capstans' size measured and calculated okay - to give approx 2.8% speed difference, but in reality ... probably because of slightly tilted takeup or supply capstan ? Anyway, with the additional thickness from taped flywheel, freq. response is now very good. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 7:01 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > Hi Salim, > > I forgot about the direct drive capstan - goes to show how much I know (not much). The two problems I had with the unit were both related to those dreadful orange caps. The first problem was that the erase oscillator stopped working, thanks to Stephen he pointed out which two capacitors were at fault. The second problem was related to the Dolby circuit, playback with B or C type was perfect however recording on C type would only record right channel - problem fixed after replacing the orange caps on the Dolby circuit board. Now I have a healthy ZX9. > > Keep us posted with your results on your ZX. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Feb 3 22:28:15 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:28:15 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C85@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Guy's/Gals, I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Feb 3 22:53:36 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:53:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C85@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <017e01c1acfd$3b765a40$cced3fd0@oemcomputer> The vestigal arm allows the platter to center the record perfectly this if you have *heard* it makes a big difference. as for cleaning records expensive solution vpi or nitty gritty record cleaner cheap but in many ways the best solution the disc doctor products www.discdoc.com hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 3 22:57:59 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:57:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C85@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <0b0201c1acfd$d92ea260$363442cf@sank1> The biggest selling point of the TX1000 & Dragon CT turntables was the auto-centering feature. This involves a little arm with a stylus that rides the center leadout groove for several rotations. The table then stops at the precise vector of eccentricity & uses a very geared-down plunger to slide the top glass platter the precise distance on the vector to put the record's grooves precisely on center axis. The difference it makes to the sound, even with a subtle amount of correction, is positively stunning. I lust for a Dragon CT turntable, big time. As for the dusty records, just throw them in the laundry on cold, then iron out the wrinkles when they're done.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Feb 3 23:05:06 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:05:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C86@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Simply WOW! It's amazing to see how far a company will go to "squeeze out" the best possible sound out of a medium. I would love to see it in action, but due to the rarity of the deck in AUS not in my lifetime. BTW thanks for the cleaning tips Stephen, I'll kick my wife out of the laundry for a while and give it a go. :) Thanks Stephen & Warren for the info. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 8:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable The biggest selling point of the TX1000 & Dragon CT turntables was the auto-centering feature. This involves a little arm with a stylus that rides the center leadout groove for several rotations. The table then stops at the precise vector of eccentricity & uses a very geared-down plunger to slide the top glass platter the precise distance on the vector to put the record's grooves precisely on center axis. The difference it makes to the sound, even with a subtle amount of correction, is positively stunning. I lust for a Dragon CT turntable, big time. As for the dusty records, just throw them in the laundry on cold, then iron out the wrinkles when they're done.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 3 23:41:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:41:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C85@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <004e01c1ad03$dd148060$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Tom Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a bit of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready made or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the market and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust from the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed by most other designs which suck off the top. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Hi Guy's/Gals, I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? Regards Tom Siomopoulos --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 3 23:46:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:46:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C86@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <005001c1ad04$8f87ca40$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Tom If you think that's special, take a look at the ELP laser record turntable .... http://www.elpj.com/ .... Yup! It plays vinyl but doesn't use a cartridge and stylus to read the grooves but a laser When you buy one of these they GIVE you a record cleaner .... Thinks me, why the hell didn't someone come up with a device that could play both CDs and vinyl with a laser??? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 February 2002 10:05 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Simply WOW! It's amazing to see how far a company will go to "squeeze out" the best possible sound out of a medium. I would love to see it in action, but due to the rarity of the deck in AUS not in my lifetime. BTW thanks for the cleaning tips Stephen, I'll kick my wife out of the laundry for a while and give it a go. :) Thanks Stephen & Warren for the info. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 8:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable The biggest selling point of the TX1000 & Dragon CT turntables was the auto-centering feature. This involves a little arm with a stylus that rides the center leadout groove for several rotations. The table then stops at the precise vector of eccentricity & uses a very geared-down plunger to slide the top glass platter the precise distance on the vector to put the record's grooves precisely on center axis. The difference it makes to the sound, even with a subtle amount of correction, is positively stunning. I lust for a Dragon CT turntable, big time. As for the dusty records, just throw them in the laundry on cold, then iron out the wrinkles when they're done.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the market > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust from > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed by > most other designs which suck off the top. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them > without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Feb 4 00:02:40 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:02:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable References: <005001c1ad04$8f87ca40$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <0b3901c1ad06$e22b92c0$363442cf@sank1> The problem with the Finial ELP laser table is that, at least in early versions, actually amplified the effects of dust & other groove contaminations. So, it doesn't surprise me that they give away a cleaner! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Tom > > If you think that's special, take a look at the ELP laser record turntable > .... http://www.elpj.com/ .... Yup! It plays vinyl but doesn't use a > cartridge and stylus to read the grooves but a laser > > When you buy one of these they GIVE you a record cleaner .... Thinks me, > why the hell didn't someone come up with a device that could play both CDs > and vinyl with a laser??? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:05 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > Simply WOW! It's amazing to see how far a company will go to "squeeze out" > the best possible sound out of a medium. I would love to see it in action, > but due to the rarity of the deck in AUS not in my lifetime. BTW thanks for > the cleaning tips Stephen, I'll kick my wife out of the laundry for a while > and give it a go. :) > > Thanks Stephen & Warren for the info. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 8:58 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > The biggest selling point of the TX1000 & Dragon CT turntables was the > auto-centering feature. This involves a little arm with a stylus that rides > the center leadout groove for several rotations. The table then stops at > the precise vector of eccentricity & uses a very geared-down plunger to > slide the top glass platter the precise distance on the vector to put the > record's grooves precisely on center axis. > The difference it makes to the sound, even with a subtle amount of > correction, is positively stunning. I lust for a Dragon CT turntable, big > time. > > As for the dusty records, just throw them in the laundry on cold, then iron > out the wrinkles when they're done.=) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them > without scratching? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Feb 3 23:57:57 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:57:57 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C88@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's a good point! But did you check out the price, US $13500 for the 30 rpm to 50 rpm, OUCH!! Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 9:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Tom If you think that's special, take a look at the ELP laser record turntable .... http://www.elpj.com/ .... Yup! It plays vinyl but doesn't use a cartridge and stylus to read the grooves but a laser When you buy one of these they GIVE you a record cleaner .... Thinks me, why the hell didn't someone come up with a device that could play both CDs and vinyl with a laser??? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 February 2002 10:05 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Simply WOW! It's amazing to see how far a company will go to "squeeze out" the best possible sound out of a medium. I would love to see it in action, but due to the rarity of the deck in AUS not in my lifetime. BTW thanks for the cleaning tips Stephen, I'll kick my wife out of the laundry for a while and give it a go. :) Thanks Stephen & Warren for the info. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 8:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable The biggest selling point of the TX1000 & Dragon CT turntables was the auto-centering feature. This involves a little arm with a stylus that rides the center leadout groove for several rotations. The table then stops at the precise vector of eccentricity & uses a very geared-down plunger to slide the top glass platter the precise distance on the vector to put the record's grooves precisely on center axis. The difference it makes to the sound, even with a subtle amount of correction, is positively stunning. I lust for a Dragon CT turntable, big time. As for the dusty records, just throw them in the laundry on cold, then iron out the wrinkles when they're done.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 4 01:18:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 00:18:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable In-Reply-To: <3C5DBE30.DC33CEAC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <005101c1ad11$7fb80460$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Ron, et al, Looksee at: http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/product.html and particularly @ http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/rcm.html Note, you can get the Mark 1 version in kit form for £225 - I think that's inclusive of shipping to the US, which translates @ about $315 all in. Not bad, eh?! And the Mark II is only $30 (c. $42) dearer. I have the read-made Mark I, which I bought a few years ago at a Hi Fi show on special offer, at a mere £299, which is a bit cheaper than the £400 for which is sells these days! However, even then, the regular price was about £350. Unless you are in a hurry, it's worth bookmarking the site and watching for a few months because they often reduce the price of specific items for a sale period of around 4-6 weeks, and the record cleaner has, I recall, been one of the items included in these periodic sales 2 or 3 times over the last 5 or so years. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it was reasonable. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Tom > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a bit > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready made > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the market > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust from > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed by > most other designs which suck off the top. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them > without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 4 01:21:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 00:21:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable In-Reply-To: <0b3901c1ad06$e22b92c0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005201c1ad11$e10476e0$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah, that's what they said on the review I read, too. I gather this player is very unforgiving of anything except pristine condition records, which wouldn't suit me as I buy most of mine at garage sales, clean them up and play 'em with the SAE in line to dampen down any clicks and pops that might still arise. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 03 February 2002 11:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable The problem with the Finial ELP laser table is that, at least in early versions, actually amplified the effects of dust & other groove contaminations. So, it doesn't surprise me that they give away a cleaner! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 4 01:26:05 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 00:26:05 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C88@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <005301c1ad12$88aadc40$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Exactly! I think you could buy a top of range SME TT with SME V and still have several $k to spare for a nice cartridge and probably a Dragon or two, as well! Now, I know which I'd rather have ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 February 2002 10:58 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable That's a good point! But did you check out the price, US $13500 for the 30 rpm to 50 rpm, OUCH!! Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 9:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Tom If you think that's special, take a look at the ELP laser record turntable .... http://www.elpj.com/ .... Yup! It plays vinyl but doesn't use a cartridge and stylus to read the grooves but a laser When you buy one of these they GIVE you a record cleaner .... Thinks me, why the hell didn't someone come up with a device that could play both CDs and vinyl with a laser??? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 February 2002 10:05 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Simply WOW! It's amazing to see how far a company will go to "squeeze out" the best possible sound out of a medium. I would love to see it in action, but due to the rarity of the deck in AUS not in my lifetime. BTW thanks for the cleaning tips Stephen, I'll kick my wife out of the laundry for a while and give it a go. :) Thanks Stephen & Warren for the info. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Monday, 4 February 2002 8:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable The biggest selling point of the TX1000 & Dragon CT turntables was the auto-centering feature. This involves a little arm with a stylus that rides the center leadout groove for several rotations. The table then stops at the precise vector of eccentricity & uses a very geared-down plunger to slide the top glass platter the precise distance on the vector to put the record's grooves precisely on center axis. The difference it makes to the sound, even with a subtle amount of correction, is positively stunning. I lust for a Dragon CT turntable, big time. As for the dusty records, just throw them in the laundry on cold, then iron out the wrinkles when they're done.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: "Naktalk mail list (E-mail)" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? 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Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely made 1960s technology with the test LP. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it was reasonable. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Tom > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a bit > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready made > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the market > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust from > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed by > most other designs which suck off the top. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a feature of the > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of related > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on them > without scratching? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > I forgot to mention, that Hi Fi News Test LP, put together by Len Gregory > (The Cartridge Man) > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/hfntlp.html, is superb for > tweaking the arm and cartridge to get the best out of the TT. At only �15 > (that's c. $21 incl. shipping, it's a bargain. The bias tracks on it are > one hell of a test. I find that my Lenco can sweep the board with that .. > provided I let the tracking weight tip over the max recommended just a > smidgen. Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, > with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely made > 1960s technology with the test LP. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > was reasonable. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Tom > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > bit > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > made > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > market > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > from > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed > by > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > feature of the > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > related > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > them > > without scratching? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have the > read-made Mark I, which I bought a few years ago at a Hi Fi show on special > offer, at a mere £299, which is a bit cheaper than the £400 for which is > sells these days! However, even then, the regular price was about £350. > Unless you are in a hurry, it's worth bookmarking the site and watching for > a few months because they often reduce the price of specific items for a > sale period of around 4-6 weeks, and the record cleaner has, I recall, been > one of the items included in these periodic sales 2 or 3 times over the last > 5 or so years. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > was reasonable. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Tom > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > bit > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > made > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > market > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > from > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed > by > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > feature of the > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > related > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > them > > without scratching? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 4 03:49:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:49:45 +0700 Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <0ab201c1acf9$4f4f0f20$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002b01c1ad26$d7363120$78299bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Unfortunately i don't have a stroboscope here (closest thing is a 'timing gun' for engine :-(. Again, you are probably right on that bent chassis. The reason i too suspected a tilted capstan is that tape is pulled toward chassis on takeup capstan, regardless of takeup guide positions - and also the belt is always drawn to the far edge of takeup flywheel, therefore making contact of the smaller flywheel area of supply capstan, hence possible faster rotation. The above is observed using a completely-sawed-off-shell and with headblock out of the way. Sometimes i check for tape tension using that sawed off shell : with 'bare' tape running between capstans, i pulled out the tape slightly to create a slack between capstans. Quite amazing to see how stable and precise Nak mechanism is ! On a perfect mechanism, the slack is slowly, gradually reduced while maintaining tape's 'perpendicularity' (sorry) to the capstan, and finally tape path is back to a healthy thin line. Not so on this ZX, on takeup capstan tape is pulled to chassis, waving noticably, and the slack never gotten smaller. I have a 'spare' chassis from cannibalised 482, but still hesitant to tear apart this otherwise mint zx. However, i came into another problem ... after a full week of continuous use, the left channel shows a deep dip in 17khz area ! Swapping the cables from head move the problem to right channel. Is it possible that pb head deteriorate due to age ... or is it caused by mechanical alignment problem ? Head came in perfect shape with better freq resp when i first aligned the deck a week ago - and it looks rarely used previously. Sorry for the long story ! Best regard, SM. ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:25 AM Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Salim, Do you have a stroboscope you could use to check the actual rotational speed flywheels, to see if your math is equating reality? I'm a bit worried about stretching tapes & excessive pressure on the head. You brought up an interesting possibility. The deck may have gotten rough handling in shipping & etc. to the point of perhaps slightly bending the chassis sheet metal where the flywheel bearings are mounted. I've never seen this happen, but it is possible. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Feb 4 04:13:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:13:06 -0700 Subject: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365C84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <0ab201c1acf9$4f4f0f20$363442cf@sank1> <002b01c1ad26$d7363120$78299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002f01c1ad29$de67e620$383442cf@sank1> You might try "shim" washers(or any small bits of sheet material thin enough for the job) on one or two of the mounting screws of the right bearing, to try to get the bearing back to perpendicular. It sounds pretty definite that it's a chassis bend problem, and I'd definitely blame the 17kHz drop on this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) > > Hi Stephen, > > Unfortunately i don't have a stroboscope here (closest thing is a 'timing gun' for engine :-(. Again, you are probably right on that bent chassis. The reason i too suspected a tilted capstan is that tape is pulled toward chassis on takeup capstan, regardless of takeup guide positions - and also the belt is always drawn to the far edge of takeup flywheel, therefore making contact of the smaller flywheel area of supply capstan, hence possible faster rotation. The above is observed using a completely-sawed-off-shell and with headblock out of the way. > > Sometimes i check for tape tension using that sawed off shell : with 'bare' tape running between capstans, i pulled out the tape slightly to create a slack between capstans. Quite amazing to see how stable and precise Nak mechanism is ! On a perfect mechanism, the slack is slowly, gradually reduced while maintaining tape's 'perpendicularity' (sorry) to the capstan, and finally tape path is back to a healthy thin line. Not so on this ZX, on takeup capstan tape is pulled to chassis, waving noticably, and the slack never gotten smaller. > > I have a 'spare' chassis from cannibalised 482, but still hesitant to tear apart this otherwise mint zx. However, i came into another problem ... after a full week of continuous use, the left channel shows a deep dip in 17khz area ! Swapping the cables from head move the problem to right channel. Is it possible that pb head deteriorate due to age ... or is it caused by mechanical alignment problem ? Head came in perfect shape with better freq resp when i first aligned the deck a week ago - and it looks rarely used previously. > > Sorry for the long story ! > Best regard, SM. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) > > > Salim, > Do you have a stroboscope you could use to check the actual rotational > speed flywheels, to see if your math is equating reality? I'm a bit worried > about stretching tapes & excessive pressure on the head. You brought up an > interesting possibility. The deck may have gotten rough handling in > shipping & etc. to the point of perhaps slightly bending the chassis sheet > metal where the flywheel bearings are mounted. I've never seen this happen, > but it is possible. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 4 05:18:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 04:18:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO In-Reply-To: <0b6501c1ad16$e8d8e9a0$363442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005701c1ad33$009e5b80$109a87d9@a4s1s2> Yup, Stephen, I reckon you may be right on the button! I'd not recommend anyone to buy one, that's for sure ....unless I sell it, of course!!! Oh, it does sound better than the AR101 it replaced, and it is definitely running more smoothly now I've also lubricated the spindle/platter bearing, which it is NOT supposed to require lubricating on account of the fact that it's steel against nylon and allegedly "self-lubricating" ... nevertheless, I am more and more tempted to sell it! Question is, should I keep the Origin Live modified RB300 or let the whole thing go as a package? OTH, I could upgrade the TT motor with one from Origin Live ... but I'm also thinking that, with the money I'd pay for the new motor and what I could raise on the TT (esp. if I leave the RB300 arm where it is) I might buy something much sweeter off an e-Bay auction. A grease-bearing Garrard 301, perhaps, or one from the Thorens stable, like a nice TD124, TD126 MkIII (tho' I might worry about the electronics), a TD520 or even a double-armed TD226 if I added a bit more to what I'd get for the PT and what I'd have paid for a new motor. Then, there are the slightly later models of the Lenco's, where their engineering was a wee bit more precise and before they lost their excellent mass and ruggedness qualities, like the L88. (Nice one on e-Bay right now that I'm watching.) Indeed, I still think the Lenco's are under rated, although they may require a wee bit of tweaking to get the very best out of them. You know, in the UK the PT TOO is reckoned by some to be the equal of the LP12 in its more modern guise. IMHO, it is not even close and, from what I hear from some of the guys on this list, the LP12 ain't called a "legend" for nothing: that's to say, there's a touch of mythology about just how good that it is, too. BTW, Len Gregory is about the only major name in UK hi fi who reckons a well-designed MM cartridge beats a MC. (He designs and builds his own, selling most of them for export to the US.) Says the signal path is shorter and that's why it's superior. This is a view more common, says he, in the US, which is why (says he) he sells more of his cartridges to the US than in the UK. Does anyone here share Len's view on MM's or is everyone here dyed-in-the-wool MC fans? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 04 February 2002 12:57 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Not for anything Graham, but that Pink Triangle table is beginning to sound more & more like a piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > I forgot to mention, that Hi Fi News Test LP, put together by Len Gregory > (The Cartridge Man) > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/hfntlp.html, is superb for > tweaking the arm and cartridge to get the best out of the TT. At only £15 > (that's c. $21 incl. shipping, it's a bargain. The bias tracks on it are > one hell of a test. I find that my Lenco can sweep the board with that .. > provided I let the tracking weight tip over the max recommended just a > smidgen. Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, > with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely made > 1960s technology with the test LP. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > was reasonable. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Tom > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > bit > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > made > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > market > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > from > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed > by > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > feature of the > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > related > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > them > > without scratching? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 4 08:18:49 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:18:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry Marc, I'm slow on the uptake!! Message-ID: <3C5E35D9.CA7B88BC@sunint.co.za> Re the solution to your switching on the MR-1, I missed that, initially, but have just read it. Thanks!! Marc Hugo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) You might try "shim" washers(or any small bits of sheet material thin enough for the job) on one or two of the mounting screws of the right bearing, to try to get the bearing back to perpendicular. It sounds pretty definite that it's a chassis bend problem, and I'd definitely blame the 17kHz drop on this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Mon Feb 4 13:00:18 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 07:00:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sorry Marc, I'm slow on the uptake!! In-Reply-To: <3C5E35D9.CA7B88BC@sunint.co.za> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020204065521.01fca740@mail.verizon.net> At 2/4/02, you wrote: >Re the solution to your switching on the MR-1, I missed that, initially, >but have just read it. Thanks!! > >Marc Hugo Well, nobody's figured it out yet. It's not that difficult. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 4 19:40:34 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:40:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Where is the Great Nakamikaze ?? In-Reply-To: <002401c1ad71$56c14160$7c289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000601c1adab$6e540ee0$0fb387d9@a4s1s2> Anyone know? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 04 February 2002 11:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) Stephen, Now that would be a perfect job for nakamikaze after his long dissapearance ! Aligning the two capstans ... quite tough, but i'll give it my best shot. If only i could get the whole thing running while fastening the screws / washers .... :-| wish me luck ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) You might try "shim" washers(or any small bits of sheet material thin enough for the job) on one or two of the mounting screws of the right bearing, to try to get the bearing back to perpendicular. It sounds pretty definite that it's a chassis bend problem, and I'd definitely blame the 17kHz drop on this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 4 21:17:19 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:17:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Message-ID: <01C1ADB8.F5BA4EA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham Something must be wrong if a Linn Sondek seems that much better than a PT TOO! I replaced my Linn with a PT Anniversary about 10 years ago, spending the hard earned cash I had saved up for my first proper CD player, simply because the Pink sounded sooooo much better than the Linn. It also sounded better than any CD player that I could afford. It's still playing (beautifully) away in the corner as I type. Alignment of the suspension is a big deal with Linns. I had to cart mine 40 miles to get it 'aligned' by the dealer. By the time I got it back, it needed attention again! This 'dealer' was supposed to come to my house to do this, but 40 miles was too far. No such problem with the Pink - you do it all from above with a spirit level and an Allen key (hex wrench in the US). The bearing has needed no attention whatsoever from purchase, apart from replacement after my daughter dropped a speaker onto the spindle (through the lid - ouch!) One phone call to Camberwell, and all was sorted. John Walker email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 04 February, 2002 04:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Yup, Stephen, I reckon you may be right on the button! I'd not recommend anyone to buy one, that's for sure ....unless I sell it, of course!!! Oh, it does sound better than the AR101 it replaced, and it is definitely running more smoothly now I've also lubricated the spindle/platter bearing, which it is NOT supposed to require lubricating on account of the fact that it's steel against nylon and allegedly "self-lubricating" ... nevertheless, I am more and more tempted to sell it! Question is, should I keep the Origin Live modified RB300 or let the whole thing go as a package? OTH, I could upgrade the TT motor with one from Origin Live ... but I'm also thinking that, with the money I'd pay for the new motor and what I could raise on the TT (esp. if I leave the RB300 arm where it is) I might buy something much sweeter off an e-Bay auction. A grease-bearing Garrard 301, perhaps, or one from the Thorens stable, like a nice TD124, TD126 MkIII (tho' I might worry about the electronics), a TD520 or even a double-armed TD226 if I added a bit more to what I'd get for the PT and what I'd have paid for a new motor. Then, there are the slightly later models of the Lenco's, where their engineering was a wee bit more precise and before they lost their excellent mass and ruggedness qualities, like the L88. (Nice one on e-Bay right now that I'm watching.) Indeed, I still think the Lenco's are under rated, although they may require a wee bit of tweaking to get the very best out of them. You know, in the UK the PT TOO is reckoned by some to be the equal of the LP12 in its more modern guise. IMHO, it is not even close and, from what I hear from some of the guys on this list, the LP12 ain't called a "legend" for nothing: that's to say, there's a touch of mythology about just how good that it is, too. BTW, Len Gregory is about the only major name in UK hi fi who reckons a well-designed MM cartridge beats a MC. (He designs and builds his own, selling most of them for export to the US.) Says the signal path is shorter and that's why it's superior. This is a view more common, says he, in the US, which is why (says he) he sells more of his cartridges to the US than in the UK. Does anyone here share Len's view on MM's or is everyone here dyed-in-the-wool MC fans? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 04 February 2002 12:57 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Not for anything Graham, but that Pink Triangle table is beginning to sound more & more like a piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > I forgot to mention, that Hi Fi News Test LP, put together by Len Gregory > (The Cartridge Man) > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/hfntlp.html, is superb for > tweaking the arm and cartridge to get the best out of the TT. At only ?15 > (that's c. $21 incl. shipping, it's a bargain. The bias tracks on it are > one hell of a test. I find that my Lenco can sweep the board with that .. > provided I let the tracking weight tip over the max recommended just a > smidgen. Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, > with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely made > 1960s technology with the test LP. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > was reasonable. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Tom > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > bit > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > made > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > market > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > from > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed > by > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > feature of the > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > related > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > them > > without scratching? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 4 22:02:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:02:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO In-Reply-To: <01C1ADB8.F5BA4EA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001001c1adbf$3c41f980$0fb387d9@a4s1s2> John Ah, but the Anniversary *is* a fine record deck - I believe it's in a different league to the PT TOO. The PT TOO was the forerunner of the PT Export, which sold at the same time as the Anniversary but for a lot less money. I'd not refuse an Anniversary ... ;oD I agree about the setting up of the LP12's - damned fiddly whereas the PTs are very easy. You don't need a dealer to do it for you. However, my brother had/has one and, when that was set up it stayed that way for a long time before it needed re-adjusting. Mind you, may be I don't compare quite like with like in the sense that he had the Ittock arm, it was Lingo'd and he had a rather special MC cartridge on it that cost more than I paid for the PT TOO second hand! Whereas my PT TOO has an RB300 (Origin Live modified with silver wire inside) and a DNM Reson MM cartridge - no slouch but still not £600's worth! So, may be the LP12 should have sounded better than the PT TOO! However, where I feel the LP12 does have it over the PT TOO (but not the Anniversary) is build quality, probably hence why the PT TOO sounds marginally less stable on piano than bro's LP12. (Have to confess tho', now that PT's got some TT oil where oil ain't suppose to be, on the fixed platter spindle, it's noticeably better than before ...) What arm are you using on the Anniversary? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 04 February 2002 08:17 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Graham Something must be wrong if a Linn Sondek seems that much better than a PT TOO! I replaced my Linn with a PT Anniversary about 10 years ago, spending the hard earned cash I had saved up for my first proper CD player, simply because the Pink sounded sooooo much better than the Linn. It also sounded better than any CD player that I could afford. It's still playing (beautifully) away in the corner as I type. Alignment of the suspension is a big deal with Linns. I had to cart mine 40 miles to get it 'aligned' by the dealer. By the time I got it back, it needed attention again! This 'dealer' was supposed to come to my house to do this, but 40 miles was too far. No such problem with the Pink - you do it all from above with a spirit level and an Allen key (hex wrench in the US). The bearing has needed no attention whatsoever from purchase, apart from replacement after my daughter dropped a speaker onto the spindle (through the lid - ouch!) One phone call to Camberwell, and all was sorted. John Walker email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 04 February, 2002 04:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Yup, Stephen, I reckon you may be right on the button! I'd not recommend anyone to buy one, that's for sure ....unless I sell it, of course!!! Oh, it does sound better than the AR101 it replaced, and it is definitely running more smoothly now I've also lubricated the spindle/platter bearing, which it is NOT supposed to require lubricating on account of the fact that it's steel against nylon and allegedly "self-lubricating" ... nevertheless, I am more and more tempted to sell it! Question is, should I keep the Origin Live modified RB300 or let the whole thing go as a package? OTH, I could upgrade the TT motor with one from Origin Live ... but I'm also thinking that, with the money I'd pay for the new motor and what I could raise on the TT (esp. if I leave the RB300 arm where it is) I might buy something much sweeter off an e-Bay auction. A grease-bearing Garrard 301, perhaps, or one from the Thorens stable, like a nice TD124, TD126 MkIII (tho' I might worry about the electronics), a TD520 or even a double-armed TD226 if I added a bit more to what I'd get for the PT and what I'd have paid for a new motor. Then, there are the slightly later models of the Lenco's, where their engineering was a wee bit more precise and before they lost their excellent mass and ruggedness qualities, like the L88. (Nice one on e-Bay right now that I'm watching.) Indeed, I still think the Lenco's are under rated, although they may require a wee bit of tweaking to get the very best out of them. You know, in the UK the PT TOO is reckoned by some to be the equal of the LP12 in its more modern guise. IMHO, it is not even close and, from what I hear from some of the guys on this list, the LP12 ain't called a "legend" for nothing: that's to say, there's a touch of mythology about just how good that it is, too. BTW, Len Gregory is about the only major name in UK hi fi who reckons a well-designed MM cartridge beats a MC. (He designs and builds his own, selling most of them for export to the US.) Says the signal path is shorter and that's why it's superior. This is a view more common, says he, in the US, which is why (says he) he sells more of his cartridges to the US than in the UK. Does anyone here share Len's view on MM's or is everyone here dyed-in-the-wool MC fans? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 04 February 2002 12:57 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable Not for anything Graham, but that Pink Triangle table is beginning to sound more & more like a piece of crap. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > I forgot to mention, that Hi Fi News Test LP, put together by Len Gregory > (The Cartridge Man) > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/hfntlp.html, is superb for > tweaking the arm and cartridge to get the best out of the TT. At only ?15 > (that's c. $21 incl. shipping, it's a bargain. The bias tracks on it are > one hell of a test. I find that my Lenco can sweep the board with that .. > provided I let the tracking weight tip over the max recommended just a > smidgen. Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, > with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely made > 1960s technology with the test LP. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > was reasonable. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Tom > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > bit > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > made > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > market > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > from > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method employed > by > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > feature of the > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > related > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > them > > without scratching? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 5 03:08:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:08:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Anyone seen this before? References: Message-ID: <003301c1adea$0d6d3d60$943442cf@sank1> Lowest model I've seen in that range, which is the same model year as the infamous TU9900 tuner. It'd have to be only about 20watts/ch, but it should be a decent piece. Certainly worth the current price. But not worth much over sixty pounds or so. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT - Anyone seen this before? > > Hi, > > Anyone familiar with the Sansui AU 2900 amplifier? Saw one on Ebay UK for > not a lot of money, is it any good? > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329683963 > > Just hope the above link works, if not just have to cut and paste it. > Cheers. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Feb 5 04:15:38 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:15:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Copy of ZXE Onwer's Manual Message-ID: Hello to all! I may be taking delivery of a 700ZXE w/o Owner's Manual, instead of a 700ZXL w/Owner's Manual. It's a long story, and I'm still not sure which way I will go. With the ZXE there's the higher reliability, less active components in signal path, and easier to upgrade components. With the ZXL there's the ultimate tweaking (when all works well) of the bias, level and equalization circuits; the mystique and "aura" of it being a "'ZXL". My request is: does anyone have a ZXE manual that I could either get a copy of or a PDF e-mailed to me? Would be happy to pay for a Xerox copy. Wouter doesn't have a copy in either format. By the way, Wouter says: "...have been busy, on my 'house project' and on a 'woman project'... both have taken a lot of my time during the last months. ...So let the 'core' naktalk people know I'm ok, saw one post of Stephen recently also wondering how I was doing.." Either one of the "projects" could sap a lot of time and energy. Ah, yes; but with the proper "chemistry", could be quite invigorating, rewarding, fulfilling, .....I think you get the point. I'm pleased Wouter has these projects and still keeps Naktalk going; albeit with not as much hands on and actively participating in the posts. Let me know your thoughts on the ZXL vs ZXE and if anyone has a copy of the Owner's Manual to make a Xerox copy or a PDF to e-mail. Our e-mail service at Anderson University should handle the load ok, but may want to break it up into 2-4 transmissions. TIA Kent Merideth Indiana ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 5 08:37:40 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 02:37:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Moving coil cartridges??? References: Message-ID: <00b201c1ae17$fdbbaae0$b2f73fd0@oemcomputer> This link about the cello moving coil cartridge came up on another list. http://marklev.com/marklev/MLC1/index.html the relevant part is: "The MLC-1 was the cartridge design; it is a round unit that weighs in around 11 grams, and is a moving coil design. Virtually no output; about as low as I have ever seen. I believe the units were manufactured by Nakamichi. These were really only prototype units since I don't believe Levinson every really moved forward with the project" So the question is did Nakamichi make moving coil cartridges or any for that matter and if so does anyone have any info Thanks Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I don't even know if they actually made these two, as the may have actually been OEM'd from someone else. I seriously doubt that Nak had anything to do with the Cello cartridge. Someone has their wires crossed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Moving coil cartridges??? > This link about the cello moving coil cartridge came up on > another list. > http://marklev.com/marklev/MLC1/index.html > the relevant part is: > "The MLC-1 was the cartridge design; it is a round unit that weighs in > around 11 grams, and is a moving coil design. Virtually no output; about as > low as I have ever seen. I believe the units were manufactured by > Nakamichi. These were really only prototype units since I don't believe > Levinson every really moved forward with the project" > > So the question is did Nakamichi make moving coil cartridges or any for that > matter > and if so does anyone have any info > Thanks > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > Yup, Stephen, I reckon you may be right on the button! I'd not recommend > anyone to buy one, that's for sure ....unless I sell it, of course!!! Oh, > it does sound better than the AR101 it replaced, and it is definitely > running more smoothly now I've also lubricated the spindle/platter bearing, > which it is NOT supposed to require lubricating on account of the fact that > it's steel against nylon and allegedly "self-lubricating" ... nevertheless, > I am more and more tempted to sell it! > > Question is, should I keep the Origin Live modified RB300 or let the whole > thing go as a package? > > OTH, I could upgrade the TT motor with one from Origin Live ... but I'm also > thinking that, with the money I'd pay for the new motor and what I could > raise on the TT (esp. if I leave the RB300 arm where it is) I might buy > something much sweeter off an e-Bay auction. A grease-bearing Garrard 301, > perhaps, or one from the Thorens stable, like a nice TD124, TD126 MkIII > (tho' I might worry about the electronics), a TD520 or even a double-armed > TD226 if I added a bit more to what I'd get for the PT and what I'd have > paid for a new motor. Then, there are the slightly later models of the > Lenco's, where their engineering was a wee bit more precise and before they > lost their excellent mass and ruggedness qualities, like the L88. (Nice one > on e-Bay right now that I'm watching.) Indeed, I still think the Lenco's > are under rated, although they may require a wee bit of tweaking to get the > very best out of them. > > You know, in the UK the PT TOO is reckoned by some to be the equal of the > LP12 in its more modern guise. IMHO, it is not even close and, from what I > hear from some of the guys on this list, the LP12 ain't called a "legend" > for nothing: that's to say, there's a touch of mythology about just how > good that it is, too. > > BTW, Len Gregory is about the only major name in UK hi fi who reckons a > well-designed MM cartridge beats a MC. (He designs and builds his own, > selling most of them for export to the US.) Says the signal path is > shorter and that's why it's superior. This is a view more common, says he, > in the US, which is why (says he) he sells more of his cartridges to the US > than in the UK. Does anyone here share Len's view on MM's or is everyone > here dyed-in-the-wool MC fans? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 04 February 2002 12:57 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > Not for anything Graham, but that Pink Triangle table is beginning to sound > more & more like a piece of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:31 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > I forgot to mention, that Hi Fi News Test LP, put together by Len Gregory > > (The Cartridge Man) > > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/hfntlp.html, is superb for > > tweaking the arm and cartridge to get the best out of the TT. At only �15 > > (that's c. $21 incl. shipping, it's a bargain. The bias tracks on it are > > one hell of a test. I find that my Lenco can sweep the board with that .. > > provided I let the tracking weight tip over the max recommended just a > > smidgen. Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, > > with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely > made > > 1960s technology with the test LP. > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > > > > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > > was reasonable. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > > bit > > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > > made > > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > > market > > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > > from > > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method > employed > > by > > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > > feature of the > > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > > related > > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > > them > > > without scratching? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Tue Feb 5 09:38:18 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 03:38:18 EST Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Message-ID: <1e.22a2464e.2990f3fa@aol.com> In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, bk11 at thuntek.net writes: << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM Shure V15 MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry than the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> Hey Stephen, Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Feb 5 11:23:04 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 10:23:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - Anyone seen this before? Message-ID: Thank you Stephen. The only snag is, after your endorsement, I'm sure it will now go for much more! >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - Anyone seen this before? >Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:08:44 -0700 > >Lowest model I've seen in that range, which is the same model year as the >infamous TU9900 tuner. It'd have to be only about 20watts/ch, but it >should >be a decent piece. Certainly worth the current price. But not worth much >over sixty pounds or so. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "winnie pooh" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 3:48 PM >Subject: [naktalk] OT - Anyone seen this before? > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Anyone familiar with the Sansui AU 2900 amplifier? Saw one on Ebay UK >for > > not a lot of money, is it any good? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1329683963 > > > > Just hope the above link works, if not just have to cut and paste it. > > Cheers. > > > > Kelvin. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE 860-529-3700 FAX 860-529-1262 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST eslabs at snet.net nakamichi at snet.net www.eslabs.com PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS _______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please I have a Nak Cassette Deck 1, and recently (over the past 18 months) I'v e noticed a (very quiet) humm or high pitched whirr (probably about 60 hz). You can just detect it on the quiet bits between tracks. It records onto tapes played back in other machines. Last night I investigated and found that it would pretty much disappear if I squeezed and moved the output connector cables in a certain way. Could this be some shielding/earthing connection loose attaching to input/output chassis??? Any comments? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 5 19:37:27 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:37:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO In-Reply-To: <012601c1ae1c$32930de0$943442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001101c1ae74$292ae180$0aa287d9@a4s1s2> Stephen Funny you should say that - my old favourite was the Shure VST V, which appeared very similar to the V15 but I don't know if they sounded similar. (Len Gregory used to say (before the latest V15) that the only really good high end MM cartridge that he would recommend, apart from his own, was the VST V. But he wouldn't recommend any MC's!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 05 February 2002 08:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM Shure V15 MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry than the MR micro-ridge Shures. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > Yup, Stephen, I reckon you may be right on the button! I'd not recommend > anyone to buy one, that's for sure ....unless I sell it, of course!!! Oh, > it does sound better than the AR101 it replaced, and it is definitely > running more smoothly now I've also lubricated the spindle/platter bearing, > which it is NOT supposed to require lubricating on account of the fact that > it's steel against nylon and allegedly "self-lubricating" ... nevertheless, > I am more and more tempted to sell it! > > Question is, should I keep the Origin Live modified RB300 or let the whole > thing go as a package? > > OTH, I could upgrade the TT motor with one from Origin Live ... but I'm also > thinking that, with the money I'd pay for the new motor and what I could > raise on the TT (esp. if I leave the RB300 arm where it is) I might buy > something much sweeter off an e-Bay auction. A grease-bearing Garrard 301, > perhaps, or one from the Thorens stable, like a nice TD124, TD126 MkIII > (tho' I might worry about the electronics), a TD520 or even a double-armed > TD226 if I added a bit more to what I'd get for the PT and what I'd have > paid for a new motor. Then, there are the slightly later models of the > Lenco's, where their engineering was a wee bit more precise and before they > lost their excellent mass and ruggedness qualities, like the L88. (Nice one > on e-Bay right now that I'm watching.) Indeed, I still think the Lenco's > are under rated, although they may require a wee bit of tweaking to get the > very best out of them. > > You know, in the UK the PT TOO is reckoned by some to be the equal of the > LP12 in its more modern guise. IMHO, it is not even close and, from what I > hear from some of the guys on this list, the LP12 ain't called a "legend" > for nothing: that's to say, there's a touch of mythology about just how > good that it is, too. > > BTW, Len Gregory is about the only major name in UK hi fi who reckons a > well-designed MM cartridge beats a MC. (He designs and builds his own, > selling most of them for export to the US.) Says the signal path is > shorter and that's why it's superior. This is a view more common, says he, > in the US, which is why (says he) he sells more of his cartridges to the US > than in the UK. Does anyone here share Len's view on MM's or is everyone > here dyed-in-the-wool MC fans? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 04 February 2002 12:57 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > Not for anything Graham, but that Pink Triangle table is beginning to sound > more & more like a piece of crap. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:31 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > I forgot to mention, that Hi Fi News Test LP, put together by Len Gregory > > (The Cartridge Man) > > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/hfntlp.html, is superb for > > tweaking the arm and cartridge to get the best out of the TT. At only £15 > > (that's c. $21 incl. shipping, it's a bargain. The bias tracks on it are > > one hell of a test. I find that my Lenco can sweep the board with that .. > > provided I let the tracking weight tip over the max recommended just a > > smidgen. Ironically, the PT - a more modern, and supposedly superior TT, > > with an Origin Live modified RB300 arm, struggles against that crudely > made > > 1960s technology with the test LP. > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 03 February 2002 10:48 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > > > > > Interesting. Would you have leads to a dealers, prices, > > web sites, etc.? I would be interested in the kit, if it > > was reasonable. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Great investment - get yourself a vacuum record cleaner. If you fancy a > > bit > > > of DIY, take a look at the Moth Mark II cleaner. You can buy it ready > > made > > > or in kit form. IMHO these are the best value vacuum cleaners on the > > market > > > and I believe their method for taking off the dust, of sucking the dust > > from > > > the underside of the record, is far better than the usual method > employed > > by > > > most other designs which suck off the top. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Thomas Siomopoulos > > > Sent: 03 February 2002 09:28 PM > > > To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) > > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak TX-1000 turntable > > > > > > Hi Guy's/Gals, > > > > > > I was looking at some pictures of the TX-1000 and noticed a > > feature of the > > > turntable called absolute centre search, one picture illustrated an arm > > > poking out onto the record - what does this feature do? On a sort-of > > related > > > topic does anyone know how to clean records that have loads of dust on > > them > > > without scratching? > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please > I have a Nak Cassette Deck 1, and recently (over the past 18 months) I'v e > noticed a (very quiet) humm or high pitched whirr (probably about 60 hz). > > You can just detect it on the quiet bits between tracks. It records onto > tapes played back in other machines. Last night I investigated and found > that it would pretty much disappear if I squeezed and moved the output > connector cables in a certain way. > > Could this be some shielding/earthing connection loose attaching to > input/output chassis??? > > Any comments? > > KenB > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 5 21:27:14 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:27:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO References: <1e.22a2464e.2990f3fa@aol.com> Message-ID: <007a01c1ae83$7fdca540$973442cf@sank1> Shure don't. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM Shure > V15 > MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry than > the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> > > Hey Stephen, > > Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Feb 5 21:47:48 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 12:47:48 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO References: <1e.22a2464e.2990f3fa@aol.com> <007a01c1ae83$7fdca540$973442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C6044F4.C1BAA144@earthlink.net> Hey Sam, How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 cartridge can't be all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Shure don't. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > > In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM > Shure > > V15 > > MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry > than > > the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Feb 5 22:32:34 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:32:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please Message-ID: Stephen, Especially like you had me do with my 680ZX; one screw turned less than 1/8th of a turn and "voila", problem solved! But that time you told me the exact screw on the specific (main?) board. That's the kind of help we get from someone that dreams (maybe sometimes has nightmares?) about how to solve problems (opportunities) that crop up in our Nak equipment. Kent >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 02/05/02 03:15PM >>> Pop the lid & tighten all of the screws you see holding circuit boards down, especially any that have a piece of sheet metal right under the screw. Also tighten the screws holding the RCA jack unit in place. I'll be surprised if the problem doesn't then go away. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please > I have a Nak Cassette Deck 1, and recently (over the past 18 months) I'v e > noticed a (very quiet) humm or high pitched whirr (probably about 60 hz). > > You can just detect it on the quiet bits between tracks. It records onto > tapes played back in other machines. Last night I investigated and found > that it would pretty much disappear if I squeezed and moved the output > connector cables in a certain way. > > Could this be some shielding/earthing connection loose attaching to > input/output chassis??? > > Any comments? > > KenB > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 6 01:26:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:26:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Shure In-Reply-To: <3C6044F4.C1BAA144@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c1aea4$fd264da0$0aa287d9@a4s1s2> Jim I've seen that cartridge quoted on line between $320 and $275 (and even MORE from bricks & mortar UK dealers - Shure stuff in the UK is a rip-off.) Heck, from the guy selling at $275 you could buy a spare replacement stylus and still the deal would be cheaper than the one selling at $320. I'm with you with regards to buying most hardware from a dealer, where you can get advice and even take items home for a trial, but I've never known anyone allowed to take a cartridge home for a trial. Trust the dealer to tell you "you'll like it", buy it, take it home and, if you don't like it, you're stuffed. So, when it comes to cartridges and replacement styli, I'd always go to the cheapest dealer I can find to reduce the financial risk. ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 February 2002 08:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Hey Sam, How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 cartridge can't be all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Shure don't. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > > In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM > Shure > > V15 > > MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry > than > > the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Feb 6 01:48:47 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 16:48:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Shure References: <002001c1aea4$fd264da0$0aa287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C607D6E.1A877090@earthlink.net> If you don't need the advice or set up service of a good dealer then go it alone. My experience has shown that most guys don't know how to set up their cartridge and tone arm properly. Many think that they do, until they hear the improvements that I'm capable of. That's just one of the ways I earn my customers' trust. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > I've seen that cartridge quoted on line between $320 and $275 (and even MORE > from bricks & mortar UK dealers - Shure stuff in the UK is a rip-off.) > Heck, from the guy selling at $275 you could buy a spare replacement stylus > and still the deal would be cheaper than the one selling at $320. I'm with > you with regards to buying most hardware from a dealer, where you can get > advice and even take items home for a trial, but I've never known anyone > allowed to take a cartridge home for a trial. Trust the dealer to tell you > "you'll like it", buy it, take it home and, if you don't like it, you're > stuffed. So, when it comes to cartridges and replacement styli, I'd always > go to the cheapest dealer I can find to reduce the financial risk. > > ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 February 2002 08:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > Hey Sam, > > How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 > cartridge can't be > all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Shure don't. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > > > > In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM > > Shure > > > V15 > > > MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry > > than > > > the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Power and pre amps from yesterday > > Hi Stephen, > > As predicted, the Sansui eventually went for more after your endorsement! > Have you or anyone else heard of the Phillips Black Tulip range? Here are > some of the components available: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1330255529 > > According to the seller, it is supposed to be Phillips foary into the high > end in the 70's and 80's. I've never heard of them before. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Wed Feb 6 03:41:35 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 21:41:35 EST Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1915 Message-ID: <103.103fba26.2991f1df@aol.com> In a message dated 2/5/02 2:07:59 AM Central Standard Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: << Kent, I have got both the service and owners manuals from germany = recently.Let me know which machine you decided on and i will get my IT = guys to get them to you in the best format they can! >> In a self serving request is there a way to get a copy of them? I have the 700 and am not sure of the differences but anything close is a big help, I have the BX1, 500, and 480 and have been looking for the manuals service is helpful as I actually have access to some decent test equipment that will be very helpful. I posted on Teres that I have alot of old manuals, Sams, various skez'x . As I see it anytime I can get a manual or a skez I get it. Someone on Teres is looking for the Skez for a Kronh Hite function generator, I don't have one I do have a Kronh Hite bandpass filter that ranges from .001 hz to 2000hz it a monster full of 12AX7's and it works. Paid $1.00 at a hamfest. I have Sams to way back some Rider before that. Lot's of old Radio TV skez's. If I can help anybody along I would be glad to for price of postage, copying (no I don't make a profit on shipping unlike many vendors). Will work for knowledge.... Richard "Tigers Older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The price difference on a $250 > cartridge can't be > all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Well taken, thanks Jim! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 6 09:02:58 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 10:02:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Shure, the V15 VMR, VST and Ultra 500 Message-ID: Hi Graham, Do you ever deal with Martin Nicholls up in Derby (Mantra Audio) ? He has the whole line up of Shures(and other makes) and replacement styli for stacks of other cartridges, where styli are no longer available. His prices are fine, but for American cartridges like Shure, I would contact Gerry Raskins Needle Doctor in the US. What Stephen says about the V15 VMR is pretty true I think. It is the best tracker in the world and the sound is generous and richly balanced and to many minds is what analogue vinyl is all about. It can hold it's own with MCs costing truly silly money. Some of my best analogue recordings to tape were done with fairly middle of the road cartridges, like Shure Me75EJII and Me95ED (slightly finer elyptical). I would dearly love to have heard what some Shure fans say was their finest cartridge, the Ultra 500. I also hear the VST was cleaner and crisper than the V15.. It cost less I think....?? Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 02/06/02 02:26AM >>> Jim I've seen that cartridge quoted on line between $320 and $275 (and even MORE from bricks & mortar UK dealers - Shure stuff in the UK is a rip-off.) Heck, from the guy selling at $275 you could buy a spare replacement stylus and still the deal would be cheaper than the one selling at $320. I'm with you with regards to buying most hardware from a dealer, where you can get advice and even take items home for a trial, but I've never known anyone allowed to take a cartridge home for a trial. Trust the dealer to tell you "you'll like it", buy it, take it home and, if you don't like it, you're stuffed. So, when it comes to cartridges and replacement styli, I'd always go to the cheapest dealer I can find to reduce the financial risk. ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 05 February 2002 08:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Hey Sam, How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 cartridge can't be all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Shure don't. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > > In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM > Shure > > V15 > > MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry > than > > the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Then there are a few other devices - can't remember exactly what it's called because it's in a different part of the house and I'm too lazy just now to go and see! - but I came by a product that's the size of a LP which makes setting up a cartridge a doddle. It has the usual protractor and a siting system that makes sure you're correctly aligned with the pivot of the arm. Of course, what it doesn't tell you is how to set up the arm ... but then, if like me, you have an RB300, you can't adjust it vertically anyway beyond the washer than goes with the arm for an SME fit, and when it's been modified by Origin Live, all you then have to worry about is getting the right tracking weight, which isn't that with a set of Shure scales or Len's electronic one, and then to refine that with the test record Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 06 February 2002 12:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Shure If you don't need the advice or set up service of a good dealer then go it alone. My experience has shown that most guys don't know how to set up their cartridge and tone arm properly. Many think that they do, until they hear the improvements that I'm capable of. That's just one of the ways I earn my customers' trust. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Jim > > I've seen that cartridge quoted on line between $320 and $275 (and even MORE > from bricks & mortar UK dealers - Shure stuff in the UK is a rip-off.) > Heck, from the guy selling at $275 you could buy a spare replacement stylus > and still the deal would be cheaper than the one selling at $320. I'm with > you with regards to buying most hardware from a dealer, where you can get > advice and even take items home for a trial, but I've never known anyone > allowed to take a cartridge home for a trial. Trust the dealer to tell you > "you'll like it", buy it, take it home and, if you don't like it, you're > stuffed. So, when it comes to cartridges and replacement styli, I'd always > go to the cheapest dealer I can find to reduce the financial risk. > > ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 05 February 2002 08:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > Hey Sam, > > How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 > cartridge can't be > all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Shure don't. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:38 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > > > > In a message dated 2/5/2002 2:10:44 AM Central Standard Time, > > > bk11 at thuntek.net writes: > > > > > > << I'm not against MC carts, per se, but my favorite carts are the MM > > Shure > > > V15 > > > MR models. I don't think anyone has yet designed a better tip geometry > > than > > > the MR micro-ridge Shures. >> > > > > > > Hey Stephen, > > > > > > Do you have a great resource for purchasing these sure cartridges? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 6 09:18:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:18:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO In-Reply-To: <3C60BC9C.2A33B51C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002401c1aee6$ccd35e80$0aa287d9@a4s1s2> There's another difference between here and the US. a) most people don't have a local dealer - dealers are few and far between; b) the dealer, when there is one, one won't offer anything except the very few cartridges he stocks, c) and of course, you're on your own for setting it up AND if they sell you a cartridge that you don't like when you've heard it on your system. G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 06 February 2002 05:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Just make sure that the local dealer earns your business with their service and expertise. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/2002 3:00:17 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Hey Sam, > > How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 > cartridge can't be > all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Well taken, thanks Jim! > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Wed Feb 6 16:20:41 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:20:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please Message-ID: Well, that worked a treat, thanks very much. I saw what looked like a ground lead running to the output connector circuit board, tweaked it down and the hum stopped! It's only been there for 2 years! Perhaps I shall miss it? Now I have this problem with my car's cooling system........... Ken B ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Feb 6 17:00:01 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:00:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please Message-ID: Ken, If you're wondering what that new sound is, in the late '60's it was called the "Sound of Silence"(Simon & Garfunkle). Hope you can get use to it! Most of all, enjoy the music! Kent >>> kbentley at bnflinc.com 02/06/02 10:20AM >>> Well, that worked a treat, thanks very much. I saw what looked like a ground lead running to the output connector circuit board, tweaked it down and the hum stopped! It's only been there for 2 years! Perhaps I shall miss it? Now I have this problem with my car's cooling system........... Ken B ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed Feb 6 17:07:24 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 11:07:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please References: Message-ID: <3C6154BC.60344F04@ol-jim.com> Ken Bentley wrote: > > Well, that worked a treat, thanks very much. I saw what looked like a > ground lead running to the output connector circuit board, tweaked it down > and the hum stopped! > > It's only been there for 2 years! Perhaps I shall miss it? > > Now I have this problem with my car's cooling system........... > > Ken B > > Take two anti-freeze and call me in the morning... Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com A government survey shows that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the world's population. (Your tax dollars at work!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 21:56:09 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 22:56:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 Message-ID: Guys, Pardon the layman's question, but I'm considering taking the plunge into an area of analog, which I have ignored so far. What would be your recommendations for a setup with MC and phono amp fitting within a budget of around 1000$ ? New or used doesn't matter. If anyone thinks this'll clutter up the list traffic, feel free to reply off-list. Thanks George _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 6 22:01:10 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:01:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Hummmmm...OT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c1af51$674e96e0$1f9a87d9@a4s1s2> Talking of silence, I just took delivery of the Trevor Lees pre-amp I won on e-Bay. It's very nice, for sure, but there is a quiet low hum ... I suppose that may be the price I have to pay for tubes ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: 06 February 2002 04:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hummmmm...Help Please Ken, If you're wondering what that new sound is, in the late '60's it was called the "Sound of Silence"(Simon & Garfunkle). Hope you can get use to it! Most of all, enjoy the music! Kent >>> kbentley at bnflinc.com 02/06/02 10:20AM >>> Well, that worked a treat, thanks very much. I saw what looked like a ground lead running to the output connector circuit board, tweaked it down and the hum stopped! It's only been there for 2 years! Perhaps I shall miss it? Now I have this problem with my car's cooling system........... Ken B ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 22:01:34 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 23:01:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT - NAD Silver Line Message-ID: No, I don't want to re-open this can of worms -:). Just a quick one on behalf of my pal - the preamp has no headphone output. Can he plug his cans direct into the Pre-out outputs with some sort of adapter (Two RCA plugs into whatever his headphones require) or he'll need something in between ? Thanks George P.S. Can't help myself - his NAD Silver Line equipment states "Made in Denmark under NAD specifications" - would that mean a better-than-NAD-average quality ? _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 7 15:07:45 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:07:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 References: Message-ID: <000f01c1afe0$d0df1320$60ea3fd0@oemcomputer> If you want a turntable, cartridge and Phono Amp for $1000.00 I'd first find a used rega 3 or maybe a michell gyro with rb300 arm for some reason I think the black cube is much cheaper in germany than in the US so that might be a good start for the phono stage which leaves you looking for a cartridge which will depend a lot on how much money you have left, the sort of music you like and the rest of your system I'd get a list together of turntable prices in germany and the uk new and used and get back to us. There is so much variation in prices worldwide that what may be cheap here in the USA may be way overpriced in Germany and vice versa. HTH warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > 1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right power > supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > definitely not ship from US. > 2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their product > line in general. > > George > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Warren" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:07:45 -0500 If you want a turntable, cartridge and Phono Amp for $1000.00 I'd first find a used rega 3 or maybe a michell gyro with rb300 arm for some reason I think the black cube is much cheaper in germany than in the US so that might be a good start for the phono stage which leaves you looking for a cartridge which will depend a lot on how much money you have left, the sort of music you like and the rest of your system I'd get a list together of turntable prices in germany and the uk new and used and get back to us. There is so much variation in prices worldwide that what may be cheap here in the USA may be way overpriced in Germany and vice versa. HTH warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > 1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right power > supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > definitely not ship from US. > 2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their product > line in general. > > George > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 7 15:32:03 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:32:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 References: Message-ID: <004801c1afe4$35f77a60$60ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Ho much is it? the grado a good moving magnet cartridge which will make chosing a phono stage easier what pre-amp are you using now? ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > Thanks Warren, > > I forgot to mention that the Project 6.9 I mentioned is offered with an > extra System Grado Black for around 35$ - comments, anyone ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Warren" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:07:45 -0500 > > If you want a turntable, cartridge and Phono Amp for $1000.00 > I'd first find a used rega 3 or maybe a michell gyro with rb300 arm > for some reason I think the black cube is much cheaper in germany > than in the US so that might be a good start for the phono stage > which leaves you looking for a cartridge which will depend a lot on > how much money you have left, the sort of music you like and the rest of > your system > I'd get a list together of turntable prices in germany and the uk new and > used and get back to us. > There is so much variation in prices worldwide that what may be cheap here > in the USA may be way overpriced in Germany and vice versa. > HTH > warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:36 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > > 1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > power > > supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > > definitely not ship from US. > > 2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz Thu Feb 7 16:42:00 2002 From: ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?THVkbWlsYSBC+GV6aW5vduE=?=) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:42:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Message-ID: <000401c1afed$fc03c520$056d0bd4@z3h9n0> George, Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their products : http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well worth 4000 or 5000 DM. I can provide you with more information, if interested. Andras. -----Původní zpráva----- Od: George Valkov Komu: naktalk at naks.com Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 Předmět: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right power >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will >definitely not ship from US. >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their product >line in general. > >George > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I will definitely not ship from US. 2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their product line in general. George _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 7 17:00:12 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 11:00:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 References: <000401c1afed$fc03c520$056d0bd4@z3h9n0> Message-ID: <00c701c1aff0$872d4f70$1d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Nice looking stuff! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ludmila Březinová" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > George, > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > products : > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > Andras. > > -----Původní zpráva----- > Od: George Valkov > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > Předmět: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > power > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > >definitely not ship from US. > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? 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URL: From epatsellis at mcleodusa.net Thu Feb 7 17:18:35 2002 From: epatsellis at mcleodusa.net (erie patsellis) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:18:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 References: Message-ID: <006901c1aff3$18794900$0100a8c0@mcleodusa.net> george, if you lean towards DIY, check out http://www.teresaudio.com/project/index.html erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 > Guys, > > Pardon the layman's question, but I'm considering taking the plunge into an > area of analog, which I have ignored so far. What would be your > recommendations for a setup with MC and phono amp fitting within a budget of > around 1000$ ? New or used doesn't matter. If anyone thinks this'll clutter > up the list traffic, feel free to reply off-list. > > Thanks > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz Thu Feb 7 18:05:29 2002 From: ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?THVkbWlsYSBC+GV6aW5vduE=?=) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:05:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Message-ID: <001f01c1aff9$a5704380$476c0bd4@z3h9n0> Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap compared to the renown western competition. Andras. -----Původní zpráva----- Od: John M. Tooley Komu: naktalk at naks.com Datum: 7. února 2002 17:26 Předmět: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Nice looking stuff! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ludmila Březinová" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > George, > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > products : > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > Andras. > > -----Původní zpráva----- > Od: George Valkov > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > Předmět: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > power > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > >definitely not ship from US. > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? 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URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Thu Feb 7 21:31:50 2002 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:31:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] audio forums Message-ID: I'm wondering what the best audio forum is... with the email message format. I've been on audioreview and audioasylum (dont' like reading message boards), but I'm looking for a list just like this one, for general topics in audio stuff. Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Dr John Walker Portland email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 06 February, 2002 08:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO There's another difference between here and the US. a) most people don't have a local dealer - dealers are few and far between; b) the dealer, when there is one, one won't offer anything except the very few cartridges he stocks, c) and of course, you're on your own for setting it up AND if they sell you a cartridge that you don't like when you've heard it on your system. G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 06 February 2002 05:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO Just make sure that the local dealer earns your business with their service and expertise. Jim Volpatti SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/5/2002 3:00:17 PM Central Standard Time, > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > << Hey Sam, > > How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 > cartridge can't be > all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. > > Jim Volpatti >> > > Well taken, thanks Jim! > > -Sam > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I would certainly give their web site a look: www.originlive.com Dr John Walker Portland email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 06 February, 2002 20:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 Guys, Pardon the layman's question, but I'm considering taking the plunge into an area of analog, which I have ignored so far. What would be your recommendations for a setup with MC and phono amp fitting within a budget of around 1000$ ? New or used doesn't matter. If anyone thinks this'll clutter up the list traffic, feel free to reply off-list. Thanks George _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: [naktalk] audio forums > I'm wondering what the best audio forum is... with the email message format. > I've been on audioreview and audioasylum (dont' like reading message > boards), but I'm looking for a list just like this one, for general topics > in audio stuff. > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Feb 7 22:37:32 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:37:32 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO References: <01C1B017.18C0A7E0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C62F39C.E31ED364@earthlink.net> It's been my experience that if a customer wants a discount, any at all, he must ask for it. I'm defending the salesman's lack of judgment, however. Also keep in mind that most of the profit from that sale goes towards overhead expenses such as rent, utilities, employee salaries, taxes, etc. Jim Volpatti John Walker wrote: > Graham > I have a similar jaundiced view on dealers in the UK. A couple of years ago > I needed a new Lyra Lydian, so I contacted my dealer, Mike Manning Audio of > Yeovil (the same guy who would not travel 40 miles to set up my Linn), over > the phone to order a new one, at something like ?650. Now how much profit > does that represent for the retailer? At least ?200, for taking a five > minute phone call. What stunned me was that, once I was committed to the > transaction, they then asked for another ?5 for post and packing! I paid > up, but I will never give them any more business, not after that. > > Dr John Walker > Portland > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, 06 February, 2002 08:18 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > There's another difference between here and the US. a) most people don't > have a local dealer - dealers are few and far between; b) the dealer, > when > there is one, one won't offer anything except the very few cartridges he > stocks, c) and of course, you're on your own for setting it up AND if they > sell you a cartridge that you don't like when you've heard it on your > system. > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 06 February 2002 05:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO > > Just make sure that the local dealer earns your business with their service > and > expertise. > > Jim Volpatti > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/5/2002 3:00:17 PM Central Standard Time, > > jvolpatti at earthlink.net writes: > > > > << Hey Sam, > > > > How about supporting a local dealer? The price difference on a $250 > > cartridge can't be > > all that great between a mail order and a brick and mortar store. > > > > Jim Volpatti >> > > > > Well taken, thanks Jim! > > > > -Sam > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Feb 7 23:17:22 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 14:17:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: PT TOO References: <01C1B017.18C0A7E0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C62F39C.E31ED364@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C62FCF2.DC1E3C4A@earthlink.net> Oops! I meant to say that I'm NOT defending the salesman's lack of judgment. = ) Sorry about the confusion. Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > It's been my experience that if a customer wants a discount, any at all, he must ask > for it. I'm defending the salesman's lack of judgment, however. > > Also keep in mind that most of the profit from that sale goes towards overhead expenses > such as rent, utilities, employee salaries, taxes, etc. > > Jim Volpatti > > John Walker wrote: > > > Graham > > I have a similar jaundiced view on dealers in the UK. A couple of years ago > > I needed a new Lyra Lydian, so I contacted my dealer, Mike Manning Audio of > > Yeovil (the same guy who would not travel 40 miles to set up my Linn), over > > the phone to order a new one, at something like ?650. Now how much profit > > does that represent for the retailer? At least ?200, for taking a five > > minute phone call. What stunned me was that, once I was committed to the > > transaction, they then asked for another ?5 for post and packing! I paid > > up, but I will never give them any more business, not after that. > > > > Dr John Walker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Of course they worked fine there. Turned out that not only the takeup capstan that need shims but also the supply side. Grrrr. Finally i use thin alum foil on both capstans (one on left and two on right) and got it right. Not perfect, but out went the sellotape & 17k freq dip ! Now is the 3rd day it's been working stable. Many zx thanks for the zth time. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: Re: ZX9 followup (was Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000) You might try "shim" washers(or any small bits of sheet material thin enough for the job) on one or two of the mounting screws of the right bearing, to try to get the bearing back to perpendicular. It sounds pretty definite that it's a chassis bend problem, and I'd definitely blame the 17kHz drop on this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 8 07:49:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:49:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NOT (not off topic) - nak pb amp question Message-ID: <002201c1b06c$c45a66e0$aa199bca@smarzuki> Hello nakfellas, Has anybody from diy-land (Matyas, Nick et al) ever completed building a ZXL style pb amp ? It looks complicated compared to that of 'regular' Naks ... meanwhile zx9's simple pb amp layout already sounds quite close to zxl, with only a bit shallower on bass. Would this be a good alternative project ? Can i just build the 'zx front end' part (pb amp only) to replace the one on 482 and connect the output from trimpot to original ua7300 chip's input ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM (theme song: never gonna give, never gonna give, never gonna give you up :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 8 08:18:58 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:18:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Message-ID: I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. Good luck on your selection George!! Marc >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap compared to the renown western competition. Andras. -----Puvodní zpráva----- Od: John M. Tooley Komu: naktalk at naks.com Datum: 7. února 2002 17:26 Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Nice looking stuff! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ludmila Brezinová" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > George, > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > products : > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > Andras. > > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > Od: George Valkov > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > power > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > >definitely not ship from US. > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > product > >line in general. > > > >George > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 09:20:56 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:20:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Message-ID: Thanks to all for their input on the subject, I've almost decided already. Another quickie - I've found on ebay the ProJect Phono Box - any comments ? Will it do justice to its cousin/brother/whatever as a phono stage ? Thanks again, George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: , Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:18:58 +0200 I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. Good luck on your selection George!! Marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 8 09:21:56 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 00:21:56 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective References: Message-ID: <3C638AA3.67682D53@earthlink.net> I wouldn't be so quick to sell the Michell Gyro or Orbe short vis a vis the Perspective, especially if you never compared them side by side. Jim Volpatti Mark Hugo wrote: > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > Marc > > >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> > Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap compared to the renown western competition. > > Andras. > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > Od: John M. Tooley > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. února 2002 17:26 > Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > Nice looking stuff! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ludmila Brezinová" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > George, > > > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > > products : > > > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > > > Andras. > > > > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > > Od: George Valkov > > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > > power > > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > > >definitely not ship from US. > > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > > product > > >line in general. > > > > > >George > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 09:32:21 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:32:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Message-ID: What do you think would fit better with the Perspective - an Ortofon Rohmann or a MC 3000 Mk II ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: , Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:18:58 +0200 I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. Good luck on your selection George!! Marc >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap compared to the renown western competition. Andras. -----Puvodn� zpr�va----- Od: John M. Tooley Komu: naktalk at naks.com Datum: 7. �nora 2002 17:26 Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Nice looking stuff! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ludmila Brezinov�" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > George, > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > products : > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > Andras. > > -----Puvodn� zpr�va----- > Od: George Valkov > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. �nora 2002 14:50 > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > power > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > >definitely not ship from US. > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > product > >line in general. > > > >George > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 8 09:56:19 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:56:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective References: Message-ID: <017301c1b07e$7a174dc0$0eec3fd0@oemcomputer> well your over your budget :-) but I would get the Rohman over the mc 3000 but in that price range given a suitable phono stage which the project is definitely not I'd look at the Lyra Helikon less fussy with set up and better sounding overall Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective > What do you think would fit better with the Perspective - an Ortofon Rohmann > or a MC 3000 Mk II ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Hugo" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: , > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective > Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:18:58 +0200 > > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is > visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it > justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the > Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some > store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the > lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in > subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an > Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it > looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks > would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass > (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or > things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > Marc > > > > > >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> > Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap > compared to the renown western competition. > > Andras. > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > Od: John M. Tooley > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. února 2002 17:26 > Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > Nice looking stuff! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ludmila Brezinová" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > George, > > > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to > a > > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me > recommend > > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of > their > > products : > > > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am > owning. > > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without > cartridge), > > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is > well > > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > > > Andras. > > > > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > > Od: George Valkov > > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial > message: > > > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the > right > > power > > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I > will > > >definitely not ship from US. > > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at > their 6.9 > > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > > product > > >line in general. > > > > > >George > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 10:25:44 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:25:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Message-ID: Not necessarily -:). Meanwhile I found out that an Ortofon dealer is a good friend of a friend and we are now talking about half the UK retail price . What is your opinion of the Ortofon phono stage(s) ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Warren" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 03:56:19 -0500 well your over your budget :-) but I would get the Rohman over the mc 3000 but in that price range given a suitable phono stage which the project is definitely not I'd look at the Lyra Helikon less fussy with set up and better sounding overall Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective > What do you think would fit better with the Perspective - an Ortofon Rohmann > or a MC 3000 Mk II ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Hugo" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: , > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJect Perspective > Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 09:18:58 +0200 > > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is > visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it > justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the > Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some > store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the > lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in > subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an > Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it > looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks > would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass > (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or > things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > Marc > > > > > >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> > Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap > compared to the renown western competition. > > Andras. > -----Puvodn� zpr�va----- > Od: John M. Tooley > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. �nora 2002 17:26 > Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > Nice looking stuff! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ludmila Brezinov�" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > George, > > > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to > a > > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me > recommend > > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of > their > > products : > > > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am > owning. > > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without > cartridge), > > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is > well > > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > > > Andras. > > > > -----Puvodn� zpr�va----- > > Od: George Valkov > > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > > Datum: 7. �nora 2002 14:50 > > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial > message: > > > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the > right > > power > > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I > will > > >definitely not ship from US. > > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at > their 6.9 > > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > > product > > >line in general. > > > > > >George > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 8 12:50:08 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:50:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective Message-ID: Quite so Jim, and that I haven't done(comparing them side to side). I certainly wouldn't disparage Michell decks in the slightest way. They are exquisite techno-art, which have proved themselves over time as fine machinery too. But I was very taken by the Perspective. Since you mention the Orbe, that's a cut above this level again. George, phono-stage wise, your deck derserves better that the ProJect unit. Henley Designs makes a good one as does Densen. My favourite (for the money) is the Electrocompaniet ECP1. Marc >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 02/08/02 10:21AM >>> I wouldn't be so quick to sell the Michell Gyro or Orbe short vis a vis the Perspective, especially if you never compared them side by side. Jim Volpatti Mark Hugo wrote: > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > Marc > > >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> > Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap compared to the renown western competition. > > Andras. > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > Od: John M. Tooley > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > Datum: 7. února 2002 17:26 > Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > Nice looking stuff! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ludmila Brezinová" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > George, > > > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > > products : > > > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > > > Andras. > > > > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > > Od: George Valkov > > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > > power > > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > > >definitely not ship from US. > > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > > product > > >line in general. > > > > > >George > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Owners Manual and Schematic, please contact me at my email address if interested. Thank you, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective > Quite so Jim, and that I haven't done(comparing them side to side). I certainly wouldn't disparage Michell decks in the slightest way. They are exquisite techno-art, which have proved themselves over time as fine machinery too. But I was very taken by the Perspective. Since you mention the Orbe, that's a cut above this level again. > > George, phono-stage wise, your deck derserves better that the ProJect unit. Henley Designs makes a good one as does Densen. My favourite (for the money) is the Electrocompaniet ECP1. > > Marc > > >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 02/08/02 10:21AM >>> > I wouldn't be so quick to sell the Michell Gyro or Orbe short vis a vis the Perspective, especially if you never compared them side by side. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > > > Marc > > > > >>> ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz 02/07/02 07:05PM >>> > > Yes it is, John. Moreover indeed excellent in performance and very cheap compared to the renown western competition. > > > > Andras. > > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > > Od: John M. Tooley > > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > > Datum: 7. února 2002 17:26 > > Predmet: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > Nice looking stuff! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ludmila Brezinová" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > > George, > > > > > > Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a > > > review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend > > > another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their > > > products : > > > > > > http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > > > > > > Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. > > > Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup > > > system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), > > > but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well > > > worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > > > > > > I can provide you with more information, if interested. > > > > > > Andras. > > > > > > -----Puvodní zpráva----- > > > Od: George Valkov > > > Komu: naktalk at naks.com > > > Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 > > > Predmet: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > > > > > > > > >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > > > > > > > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right > > > power > > > >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will > > > >definitely not ship from US. > > > >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 > > > >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their > > > product > > > >line in general. > > > > > > > >George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > > ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 8 14:16:08 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 15:16:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective Message-ID: What about the transformers ??? for moving coil cartriges models Ortofon T 3000 and T20MKII ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: , Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:50:08 +0200 George, phono-stage wise, your deck derserves better that the ProJect unit. Henley Designs makes a good one as does Densen. My favourite (for the money) is the Electrocompaniet ECP1. Marc _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Feb 8 17:58:13 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 18:58:13 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective References: Message-ID: Hi guys, Talking about ProJects... Not sure about perspective, but I have played enough with 6.1 and 6.9 Spend A LOT of time ajusting and setting up for my friends. Stil my old CEC BD-1000 plays way better! What can I say about Projects - it's definetely old Checz design wich is simplified design of older Tesla turntables. I had one NC-450, and I should say that tonearm of 6.1 and 6.9 is simplified and worst version of one used in NC-450. Platter of 6.1 and NC-450 is absolutely the same but main bearing of 6.1 and 6.9 is worst than NC-450! And NC-450 was made in 1985! So I definetely not after any Projects - it may play but one should know well what to tweak and what to ajust. Not to mention very bad quality of assembling - in one case tonearm bearings was loose and in another case it was so tight that tonearm will stick in a lower position! Nothing good about Projects phono stages as well. And what Nakkers will say about old Thorens TD150? Say with RB300? I'm about to get one. Any comments? Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 8 20:02:41 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:02:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective References: Message-ID: <3C6420D1.1A6FDD11@earthlink.net> I second the vote for the ECP1. I've compared it side by side with a number of highly regarded phono stages (including the hybrid Audio Research PH3SE) that cost up to three times its price and it walked away the clear winner each time. I'm sure George's friend could sell him a $3000 phono stage for $1500 but it necessarily sound better (could actually sound much worse) than the fantastic little $1000 ECP1. Jim Volpatti Mark Hugo wrote: > Quite so Jim, and that I haven't done(comparing them side to side). I certainly wouldn't disparage Michell decks in the slightest way. They are exquisite techno-art, which have proved themselves over time as fine machinery too. But I was very taken by the Perspective. Since you mention the Orbe, that's a cut above this level again. > > George, phono-stage wise, your deck derserves better that the ProJect unit. Henley Designs makes a good one as does Densen. My favourite (for the money) is the Electrocompaniet ECP1. > > Marc > > >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 02/08/02 10:21AM >>> > I wouldn't be so quick to sell the Michell Gyro or Orbe short vis a vis the Perspective, especially if you never compared them side by side. > > Jim Volpatti > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > > > Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 8 20:10:40 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:10:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective References: Message-ID: <3C6422B0.EDE1BE02@earthlink.net> You still need a moving magnet phono stage with the transformer set up between it and the cartridge. Transformers appeal to me since I appreciate simple circuits but I also value short signal paths, especially with such a delicately small signal coming from an MC cartridge. Whatever happened to your $1000 budget. Even if you get all this stuff at half off, you are still way over what you originally wanted to spend. Your "friend" must be upselling you. hehehe Jim Volpatti George Valkov wrote: > What about the transformers ??? for moving coil cartriges models Ortofon T > 3000 and T20MKII ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Hugo" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: , > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective > Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 13:50:08 +0200 > > George, phono-stage wise, your deck derserves better that the ProJect unit. > Henley Designs makes a good one as does Densen. My favourite (for the > money) is the Electrocompaniet ECP1. > > Marc > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 8 21:00:28 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:00:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective References: Message-ID: <3C642E5B.9688715A@earthlink.net> Although I've had no direct experience, based on the low price of the Project line, I suspected poor build and design quality. Seems that i was correct. Jim Volpatti Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi guys, > > Talking about ProJects... Not sure about perspective, but I have played > enough with 6.1 and 6.9 Spend A LOT of time ajusting and setting up > for my friends. Stil my old CEC BD-1000 plays way better! > What can I say about Projects - it's definetely old Checz design wich > is simplified design of older Tesla turntables. I had one NC-450, > and I should say that tonearm of 6.1 and 6.9 is simplified and worst > version of one used in NC-450. Platter of 6.1 and NC-450 is absolutely > the same but main bearing of 6.1 and 6.9 is worst than NC-450! > And NC-450 was made in 1985! So I definetely not after any Projects - > it may play but one should know well what to tweak and what to ajust. > Not to mention very bad quality of assembling - in one case tonearm bearings > was loose and in another case it was so tight that tonearm will stick in > a lower position! > Nothing good about Projects phono stages as well. > > And what Nakkers will say about old Thorens TD150? Say with RB300? > I'm about to get one. Any comments? > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 8 21:06:06 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 12:06:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2: ProJectPerspective References: <3C6420D1.1A6FDD11@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C642FAD.19D4D06F@earthlink.net> I'm sure George's friend could sell him a $3000 phono stage for $1500 but it WOULD NOT necessarily sound better (could actually sound much worse) than the fantastic little $1000 ECP1. Geez, that's what I get for not proof reading my messages before hitting the Send button. Jim Volpatti Jim Volpatti wrote: > I second the vote for the ECP1. I've compared it side by side with a number of highly regarded phono stages (including the hybrid Audio Research PH3SE) that cost up to three times its price and it walked away the clear winner each time. I'm sure George's friend could sell him a $3000 phono stage for $1500 but it necessarily sound better (could actually sound much worse) than the fantastic little $1000 ECP1. > > Jim Volpatti > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > Quite so Jim, and that I haven't done(comparing them side to side). I certainly wouldn't disparage Michell decks in the slightest way. They are exquisite techno-art, which have proved themselves over time as fine machinery too. But I was very taken by the Perspective. Since you mention the Orbe, that's a cut above this level again. > > > > George, phono-stage wise, your deck derserves better that the ProJect unit. Henley Designs makes a good one as does Densen. My favourite (for the money) is the Electrocompaniet ECP1. > > > > Marc > > > > >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 02/08/02 10:21AM >>> > > I wouldn't be so quick to sell the Michell Gyro or Orbe short vis a vis the Perspective, especially if you never compared them side by side. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > > > I agree John, the ProJect Perspective (please read "Perspex-tive") is visually absolutely stunning and I have yet to see a photograph to do it justice. I have always liked the look of the full dress Gyrodec, but I the Perpective can take your breathe away. When I saw it in the window of some store in Tottenham Court Road a few months ago I thought it must be the lighting.... When I was in the shop itself, it still "glittered" even in subdued lighting of the listening room. I'm pretty sure it was "wearing" an Ortofon Rohmann MC, and can honestly say it sounded as ravishing as it looked. Top class sound, articulate and sure footed. Only the mega decks would be significantly better (i.e. a shade quieter, deeper, tighter bass (like a Townshend Rock Reference, or Platine Verdier/Morch 12" arm). or things that golden ear people can hear that I struggle with. > > > > > > Good luck on your selection George!! > > > > > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 9 01:30:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 References: Message-ID: <00a901c1b101$09ed12e0$853442cf@sank1> First, remove every last little bit of the nasty brown glue use to hold things in place on top & bottom sides of the main board. Second, carefully inspect the main board for vaporised circuit traces. Car audio grounding problems often cause bits of circuit foils to act like fuses. If these two things don't get it working, let me know. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 > > Hi, > > I've just come across a TD700 which is not working. It powers up in the > sense that the lights and clock works, but does not do anything else. Any > ideas anyone or is this simply beyond hope? Thanks. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 9 01:33:35 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:33:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020209003335.28238.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Kelvin, I've worked on a couple TD-500/700 a long time ago. I assume since you see lights that you have the red (12V ACC) wire and yellow (12V Battery) wires connected to +12V and ground on the chassis. Try pressing the volume knob to turn on the radio. Does it work? Is there any response from the tape transport? Does it suck in the tape? It's important to have the tape cleaning flap installed or the tape section won't function properly. Get the owner's manual from the Nak.com ftp site if you don't have one already. SJ --- winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi, > > I've just come across a TD700 which is not working. > It powers up in the > sense that the lights and clock works, but does not > do anything else. Any > ideas anyone or is this simply beyond hope? Thanks. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 9 02:13:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 01:13:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 In-Reply-To: <000401c1afed$fc03c520$056d0bd4@z3h9n0> Message-ID: <001901c1b106$f0ea6da0$d49687d9@a4s1s2> Andras Difficult to tell from a photo, of course, but that deck looks very tasty! Did I understand correctly, that it uses a linear tracking arm? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ludmila Březinová Sent: 07 February 2002 03:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 George, Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their products : http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well worth 4000 or 5000 DM. I can provide you with more information, if interested. Andras. -----Původní zpráva----- Od: George Valkov Komu: naktalk at naks.com Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 Předmět: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 >Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: > >1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right power >supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will >definitely not ship from US. >2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 >Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their product >line in general. > >George > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Musical Fidelity X-LPS Phono Stage _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Feb 9 08:54:42 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:54:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Phono Stage Message-ID: What are the pros and cons of the Trichord Delphini Phono Amplifier (with Small PSU). George _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sat Feb 9 20:41:28 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:41:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 Message-ID: Thanks Stephen, will let you know when I've had a chance to do it. Another question, this time regarding the Marantz CD 94 which uses a die cast steel Phillips ?CDM 1 mechanism. It is fussy about the CD-R as to which it will read and which it won't. Is there a way I can adjust the laser power output/whatever to read CD-R consistently? I've had a look at the laser mechanism and there is a trimpot near to the laser/underneath the drive so would this be the one to adjust? Can I just turn the power up until it reads all the CD-R's? I don't use CD-RW so that is not an issue. Hopefully it won't be too complicated. Thanks. Kelvin. >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 >Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:54 -0700 > >First, remove every last little bit of the nasty brown glue use to hold >things in place on top & bottom sides of the main board. Second, carefully >inspect the main board for vaporised circuit traces. Car audio grounding >problems often cause bits of circuit foils to act like fuses. If these >two things don't get it working, let me know. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "winnie pooh" >To: >Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:11 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I've just come across a TD700 which is not working. It powers up in the > > sense that the lights and clock works, but does not do anything else. >Any > > ideas anyone or is this simply beyond hope? Thanks. > > > > Kelvin. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 508 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 10 04:01:51 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:01:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 References: Message-ID: <01ce01c1b1df$4ae48c40$853442cf@sank1> Yes, it's safe to try adjusting the trimpot near the laser on the CDM-1 to get CD-R playback. Just be sure to note exactly where the pot is at to start with, then adjust in about 1mm increments in either direction until you get CD-R playback. I am not entirely sure this is acheivable on the CDM-1, but I think it should be. Make sure the deck will still play CD's properly after you're done, though. CDM's are pretty intolerant of both too low & too high laser power. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 > > Thanks Stephen, will let you know when I've had a chance to do it. Another > question, this time regarding the Marantz CD 94 which uses a die cast steel > Phillips ?CDM 1 mechanism. It is fussy about the CD-R as to which it will > read and which it won't. Is there a way I can adjust the laser power > output/whatever to read CD-R consistently? I've had a look at the laser > mechanism and there is a trimpot near to the laser/underneath the drive so > would this be the one to adjust? Can I just turn the power up until it reads > all the CD-R's? I don't use CD-RW so that is not an issue. Hopefully it > won't be too complicated. Thanks. > > Kelvin. > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 > >Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:54 -0700 > > > >First, remove every last little bit of the nasty brown glue use to hold > >things in place on top & bottom sides of the main board. Second, carefully > >inspect the main board for vaporised circuit traces. Car audio grounding > >problems often cause bits of circuit foils to act like fuses. If these > >two things don't get it working, let me know. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "winnie pooh" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:11 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I've just come across a TD700 which is not working. It powers up in the > > > sense that the lights and clock works, but does not do anything else. > >Any > > > ideas anyone or is this simply beyond hope? Thanks. > > > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It should give you a username/pw request window, which are as follows: username: naktalk password: limited joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz Sun Feb 10 12:04:20 2002 From: ludmila.brezinova at tiscali.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?THVkbWlsYSBC+GV6aW5vduE=?=) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:04:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 Message-ID: <000401c1b222$b12f8c00$cf620bd4@z3h9n0> Graham, You are right, it does. Andras. -----Původní zpráva----- Od: Graham Nelson Komu: naktalk at naks.com Datum: 9. února 2002 2:21 Předmět: RE: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 >Andras > >Difficult to tell from a photo, of course, but that deck looks very tasty! >Did I understand correctly, that it uses a linear tracking arm? > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ludmila Březinová >Sent: 07 February 2002 03:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > >George, > >Projects are turntables, produced in Czech Republic and according to a >review, the model, you mentioned is very good. However, let me recommend >another Czech brand called AURA. Take a look at the photogalery of their >products : > >http://www.auravos.cz/frames.php3?inc=fotogalerie > >Click on the items marked as 'AURA G7E'. This is the turntable, I am owning. >Simply an awful machine! Let me mention especially it's radial pickup >system. You can get it for approximately 1200 DM here (without cartridge), >but in Germany, it is on sale for 3000 DM and experts say that it is well >worth 4000 or 5000 DM. > >I can provide you with more information, if interested. > >Andras. > >-----Původní zpráva----- >Od: George Valkov >Komu: naktalk at naks.com >Datum: 7. února 2002 14:50 >Předmět: [naktalk] OT: Turntables 101 - part 2 > > >>Sorry, but I forgot to mention a couple of things in my initial message: >> >>1. I'm in Europe and am therefore looking for something with the right >power >>supply and available here, meaning above all Germany and the UK. I will >>definitely not ship from US. >>2. Anyone familiar with the Pro-ject products ? I am looking at their 6.9 >>Perspective model, but cannot find much info about it, nor for their >product >>line in general. >> >>George >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >======== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >======== > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.320 / Virus Database: 179 - Release Date: 30/01/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 10 13:58:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:58:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <001901c1b106$f0ea6da0$d49687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000c01c1b232$b5175a40$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> ... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp (the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are working fine. So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor standers or stand mounted. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Feb 10 15:09:09 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:09:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <000c01c1b232$b5175a40$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c1b23c$82da21c0$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hi Graham, i bought recently on the internet used B&W Matrix 803 speakers and they sound very good. but thats always a personal thing. Sounds good in combination with Nak PA5 -CA5 Greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > ... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > (the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not > knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > working fine. > > So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > > Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with > it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto > c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > standers or stand mounted. > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Feb 10 15:08:46 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:08:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Message-ID: <3D9D9A87@mail.totalise.co.uk> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s Fred. ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are >working fine. > >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor >standers or stand mounted. > >Graham > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Target: $7.35 Shares: 20,483,300 Float(est.): 9,500,000 Press Release Lifestream Technologies Announces Expected Growth to Exceed 150% Management Forecasts Revenue Exceeding $10 Million for Calendar 2002 POST FALLS, Idaho--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Lifestream Technologies(TM) (AMEX:KFL), a leading developer, manufacturer and marketer of smart card-enabled healthcare diagnostic devices, today forecasted consolidated net sales to exceed $10 million for the twelve months ending December 31, 2002, representing a 164% increase from the $3.8 million in consolidated net sales for the twelve months ended December 31, 2001. ``Our company is now in a position to provide forward-looking net sales guidance to our current and prospective stakeholders based upon our experience during the last full year of retail distribution,'' said Christopher Maus, Chairman and CEO of Lifestream Technologies. ``Our current guidance is based principally upon three factors: 1) Consumer acceptance levels of the Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor as determined by retail order patterns and consumption data; 2) Strong existing and recently established relationships with major drug store chains, specialty retailers, and department stores; and 3) Expanding distribution of our consumer monitor among prominent chain drug and mass merchandisers.'' Maus further stated, ``Having met our financial and strategic goals in calendar year 2001, reaching this 2002 revenue objective will keep Lifestream on target for our five-year sales objective. Our five-year distribution, marketing and sales models parallel the successful rollout strategies of several personal healthcare device companies within the last ten years. Each of these companies reached a run rate exceeding $100 million within five years from the product roll out. Lifestream's Chief Financial Officer, Brett Sweezy, stated, ``The projections for calendar year 2002 are on target with our five-year plan. This prospective forecast is contingent on a number of material events, including the completion of our $6.0 million private placement within the next 60 days. These funds are essential for the continuity of our marketing, advertising and awareness campaigns, which support the continued sell through of our retail products.'' This prospective twelve-month forecast follows record consolidated net sales of $1.2 million for the Company's most recently completed fiscal 2002 second quarter ended December 31, 2001, as compared with consolidated net sales of $880,000 and $52,000 for the preceding fiscal 2002 first quarter ended September 30, 2001, and fiscal 2001 second quarter ended December 31, 2000, respectively. The broad consumer rollout of the device is targeted at more than 100 million Americans with elevated cholesterol levels. Since its launch in January 2000, major department store retailers and drug store chains, including Bealls, Eckerd, Longs Drug, Albertson's (Sav-on and Osco Drug) and CVS have all begun retailing the device Lifestream Technologies (KFL) Expects Growth to Exceed 150% Management Forecasts Revenue Exceeding $10 Million for 2002 Lifestream Technologies, Inc. (AMEX: KFL), the leading manufacturer of smart card-enabled health care diagnostic devices, announces expected growth for calendar 2002 to exceed 150%, and management forecasts revenue exceeding $10 million. In addition, Lifestream has also announced that CVS Corporation (NYSE: CVS) has agreed to distribute the Lifestream Personal Cholesterol Monitor (the only one of its kind) at its retail locations nationwide. CVS ranks as the largest drug store chain in the country in terms of store count with retail locations at over 4,100 sites nationwide. For these reasons our chief analyst has upgraded KFL to a STRONG BUY recommendation. Potential Earnings Over 105 million Americans are estimated to have high cholesterol (source: NCEP). Over 8 million new blood pressure monitoring devices are sold every year, with consumer cholesterol market sales estimated at 10 to $12.9 billion in monitoring devices alone. The NIH (National Institutes of Health) expects that as many as 101 million Americans require either drug therapy or therapeutic lifestyle changes to manage their cholesterol levels. If only 2% of consumers were to purchase the Lifestream monitoring device, sales would eclipse $2 billion annually. Premium Health Care Product The Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor offers consumers a fast, easy and accurate way to monitor their cholesterol levels in the convenience of their own home, unlike other diagnostic devices that require a hospital or doctor's visit. Equipped with an embedded smart card reader, the device allows users to save past results and share them with their doctors and pharmacists. The Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor was given marketing approval by the FDA in August 2000 ( Alberta Heritage Foundation For Medical Research) and launched in January 2002 through QVC television and high-end consumer specialty stores, catalogs and websites including QuickMedical.com and DrugStore.com , Since that time, major department store retailers and drug store chains such as Dillard's , Bealls , and Albertson's ( Sav-on and Osco Drugs) have all begun retailing the device. The broad consumer rollout is targeted at the more than 100-million Americans with elevated cholesterol levels. Lifestream Technologies ( KFL ) presently has its cholesterol monitoring devices (using exclusively licensed, patented photo-optic sensor technology) in over 7000 consumer retail outlets such as CVS Drug Stores, Eckerd Drugs, Sharper Image , Macy 's, and many others nationwide. By March of this year, Lifestream plans to be in an estimated 15,000 outlets. Lifestream has been profiled on CNN, Good Morning America and Parade Magazine, and is planning a new media tour for late winter, early spring, with visits to TIME, USA Today, CNN and others. According to CEO Christopher Maus, Lifestream is also implementing a manufacturing cost-reduction program to maximize margins across its entire product line. Investor Conclusion Conservative projections place $40 million in annual sales for the company by next year and 15 to $20 million this year. Actual sales for the company could be much higher. A price target of $15 by year's end for KFL is easily justifiable, and assuming just a 1% market share ($115 million), a two-year target of $35 share is certainly on the horizon. * More information on Lifestream Technologies from MSN Money * KFL message board at Raging Bull * Latest news about Lifestream Technologies at Bloomberg.com * Latest news about Lifestream Technologies at Yahoo.com Subscribe to Stock Watch? CLICK HERE for your FREE TRIAL. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 10 17:48:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:48:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 In-Reply-To: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158194@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <001701c1b252$be53a620$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Untitled Document-----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tellez, Raul CONT Sent: 10 February 2002 04:28 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com'; 8512 at hotbot.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 What the fuck is this shit? Umm ... Off topic? ;o) But seriously, reading between the lines (!), I agree, we don't want this kind of spam on the List. Politely asking y.kawabata2 at mail.com to desist. And if he doesn't Raul's gonna send you one of those ship-launched Minuteman missiles, courtesy of the US Navy ... Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, and the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them and sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing they are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much dearer TB2/TB2S. I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's not ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s Fred. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 10 20:44:14 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:44:14 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 Message-ID: <01C1B26B.5433A4C0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Good point - but could you make it without using that kind of language - my kids look over my shoulder, you effing d*ck****d John Walker Portland email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Tellez, Raul CONT [SMTP:rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil] Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 16:28 To: 'naktalk at naks.com'; 8512 at hotbot.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 << File: ATT00000.htm >> What the fuck is this shit? -----Original Message----- From: y.kawabata2 at mail.com [mailto:y.kawabata2 at mail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:08 PM To: 8512 at hotbot.com Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 BUSINESS WIRE--Nation's Second-Largest Drug Store Chain Places Order for Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor... Target: $7.35 Shares: 20,483,300 Float(est.): 9,500,000 Press Release Lifestream Technologies Announces Expected Growth to Exceed 150% Management Forecasts Revenue Exceeding $10 Million for Calendar 2002 POST FALLS, Idaho--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Lifestream Technologies(TM) (AMEX:KFL), a leading developer, manufacturer and marketer of smart card-enabled healthcare diagnostic devices, today forecasted consolidated net sales to exceed $10 million for the twelve months ending December 31, 2002, representing a 164% increase from the $3.8 million in consolidated net sales for the twelve months ended December 31, 2001. ``Our company is now in a position to provide forward-looking net sales guidance to our current and prospective stakeholders based upon our experience during the last full year of retail distribution,'' said Christopher Maus, Chairman and CEO of Lifestream Technologies. ``Our current guidance is based principally upon three factors: 1) Consumer acceptance levels of the Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor as determined by retail order patterns and consumption data; 2) Strong existing and recently established relationships with major drug store chains, specialty retailers, and department stores; and 3) Expanding distribution of our consumer monitor among prominent chain drug and mass merchandisers.'' Maus further stated, ``Having met our financial and strategic goals in calendar year 2001, reaching this 2002 revenue objective will keep Lifestream on target for our five-year sales objective. Our five-year distribution, marketing and sales models parallel the successful rollout strategies of several personal healthcare device companies within the last ten years. Each of these companies reached a run rate exceeding $100 million within five years from the product roll out. Lifestream's Chief Financial Officer, Brett Sweezy, stated, ``The projections for calendar year 2002 are on target with our five-year plan. This prospective forecast is contingent on a number of material events, including the completion of our $6.0 million private placement within the next 60 days. These funds are essential for the continuity of our marketing, advertising and awareness campaigns, which support the continued sell through of our retail products.'' This prospective twelve-month forecast follows record consolidated net sales of $1.2 million for the Company's most recently completed fiscal 2002 second quarter ended December 31, 2001, as compared with consolidated net sales of $880,000 and $52,000 for the preceding fiscal 2002 first quarter ended September 30, 2001, and fiscal 2001 second quarter ended December 31, 2000, respectively. The broad consumer rollout of the device is targeted at more than 100 million Americans with elevated cholesterol levels. Since its launch in January 2000, major department store retailers and drug store chains, including Bealls, Eckerd, Longs Drug, Albertson's (Sav-on and Osco Drug) and CVS have all begun retailing the device Lifestream Technologies (KFL) Expects Growth to Exceed 150% Management Forecasts Revenue Exceeding $10 Million for 2002 Lifestream Technologies, Inc. (AMEX: KFL), the leading manufacturer of smart card-enabled health care diagnostic devices, announces expected growth for calendar 2002 to exceed 150%, and management forecasts revenue exceeding $10 million. In addition, Lifestream has also announced that CVS Corporation (NYSE: CVS) has agreed to distribute the Lifestream Personal Cholesterol Monitor (the only one of its kind) at its retail locations nationwide. CVS ranks as the largest drug store chain in the country in terms of store count with retail locations at over 4,100 sites nationwide. For these reasons our chief analyst has upgraded KFL to a STRONG BUY recommendation. Potential Earnings Over 105 million Americans are estimated to have high cholesterol (source: NCEP). Over 8 million new blood pressure monitoring devices are sold every year, with consumer cholesterol market sales estimated at 10 to $12.9 billion in monitoring devices alone. The NIH (National Institutes of Health) expects that as many as 101 million Americans require either drug therapy or therapeutic lifestyle changes to manage their cholesterol levels. If only 2% of consumers were to purchase the Lifestream monitoring device, sales would eclipse $2 billion annually. Premium Health Care Product The Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor offers consumers a fast, easy and accurate way to monitor their cholesterol levels in the convenience of their own home, unlike other diagnostic devices that require a hospital or doctor's visit. Equipped with an embedded smart card reader, the device allows users to save past results and share them with their doctors and pharmacists. The Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor was given marketing approval by the FDA in August 2000 ( Alberta Heritage Foundation For Medical Research) and launched in January 2002 through QVC television and high-end consumer specialty stores, catalogs and websites including QuickMedical.com and DrugStore.com , Since that time, major department store retailers and drug store chains such as Dillard's , Bealls , and Albertson's ( Sav-on and Osco Drugs) have all begun retailing the device. The broad consumer rollout is targeted at the more than 100-million Americans with elevated cholesterol levels. Lifestream Technologies ( KFL ) presently has its cholesterol monitoring devices (using exclusively licensed, patented photo-optic sensor technology) in over 7000 consumer retail outlets such as CVS Drug Stores, Eckerd Drugs, Sharper Image , Macy 's, and many others nationwide. By March of this year, Lifestream plans to be in an estimated 15,000 outlets. 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Seems a good price > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! So, > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, and > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them and > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing they > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's not > ... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > FRED MOSS > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > Fred. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 10 21:16:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:16:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <002701c1b26a$2eb3d720$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> <3C66897C.ECA60FCE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <027501c1b26f$c7cb7bc0$853442cf@sank1> I'm sure Graham's current speakers suck as badly as his PT TOO turntable.;-) So, why bother finding new tweets for them? And Graham, up your budget & buy my speakers, damnit! I will say, though, that among UK speakers, I quite like the few Monitor Audio models I have heard. And it seems like their cheaper ones are better than their upper models, at least on a cost/value basis. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > Graham, > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s for > > �310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly cheaper > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! So, > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, and > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them and > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing they > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's not > > ... > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > FRED MOSS > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > Fred. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Feb 10 21:24:42 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:24:42 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <000c01c1b232$b5175a40$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C66D70A.69CABC89@earthlink.net> Hi Graham, Wow, sorry to hear about the demise of your speakers. I once owned a Trevor Lees line stage and never had any troubles with it. As far as new speakers (the most subjective of all components, due the huge variability in sound quality) are concerned, I've found that the biggest hurdle one must jump in order to transport oneself to the music hall is finding a good match between the loudspeaker and the room (the largest of all variables). What is the sonic signature of your room (lively, dead, bright, bass heavy, etc)? Also, what is the size of the room? The best speakers for a given room counterbalance the anomalies of the room. The next largest hurdle is achieving a good match between the amp and speaker. Is the amp solid state or tube? How powerful is the amp and how much volume does it and the speaker need to produce? Speaker sensitivity is key here. Also, listener's tastes come into play here. Some like a brighter more detailed sound, some a warmer, richer presentation. For others, dynamics, soundstaging, or imaging are critical. Others need a speaker that will play loudly yet cleanly. Also, size is a factor for some. Do you want a bookshelf or floor standing speaker and of what size? Answering some of these questions will help narrow the choices considerably. Jim Volpatti Answers some of these questions Graham Nelson wrote: > ... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > (the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not > knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > working fine. > > So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > > Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with > it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto > c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > standers or stand mounted. > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From taiyosan at aaahawk.com Sun Feb 10 20:30:26 2002 From: taiyosan at aaahawk.com (Taiyo Lipscomb) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:30:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1928 In-Reply-To: <200202100531.GAA29170@zebra.naks.com> References: <200202100531.GAA29170@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Thanks Joel, the http://support.naks.com/support was very helpful in that it supplied me with a service manual but not Owner's Manual for the RX-202. Anyone know where such a manual is available? I did try Norman van Wijnen's site but there were no 202's there ... still looking for suggestions? Taiyo taiyosan at aaahawk.com > >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:46:50 -0500 (EST) >From: Joel Herda >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1927 > >Hello... > >On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, Taiyo Lipscomb wrote: > > Scott Johnson said, in an earlier communication with someone, > > > > "... owner's manual from the Nak.com ftp site." > > > > And i'd like to know how to access that site. > > > > I purchased a RX-202 on eBay last week and it'll arrive sometime next > > week and there is no manual arriving with it ... > >Congratulations! > > > does someone know > > either where i can obtain one or where i can locate the ftp site on > > Nak.com? > >Use your favorite web browser. The correct URL is > >http://support.naks.com/support > >Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which >are as follows: >username: naktalk >password: limited > >joel > >- -- >Joel Herda >joelll at genericdomain.net >joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Feb 10 21:35:06 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:35:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3D9D9A87@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C66D97A.BAE72B2E@earthlink.net> Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed earlier is irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is $1900 and the SCM 20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt that the SCM 20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer all the questions I posed in my last message. And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend to be hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a speaker? I doubt it. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > Fred. > > ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > ===== > >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not > >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >working fine. > > > >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > > > >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with > >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto > >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > >standers or stand mounted. > > > >Graham > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 10 22:12:01 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:12:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <3C66897C.ECA60FCE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002c01c1b277$9554cea0$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Ron Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my second speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I could simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending £100-£300 on parts that will sound completely wrong! However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble units? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Graham, Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s for > £310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly cheaper > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! So, > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, and > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them and > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing they > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's not > ... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > FRED MOSS > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > Fred. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 10 22:13:47 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:13:47 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <3C66D70A.69CABC89@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002d01c1b277$d430b9e0$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Jim that's exactly why I wish there wasn't that darned pond between here and the US!!! I have so many variables to consider. It isn't too bad in so far as I have a dead room and the listening distance from the speakers is across the room,w hich has dimensions of about 22' x 10', Thus, the speakers sit opposite the sofa across the room and are, therefore, about 7-8 feet away (presently on stands.) As a measuring point, I can say that the famous LS3/5a is to laid back for me! But then, I don't like tizzle either! Dynamic, neutral, good balance and a bit of controled grunt at the bottom would be nice! But the current speaker used to give me about as much grunt as I wanted from a pair of 8" drivers. Not a big shake but then, given the size of the room and listening position it was plenty deep enough for me. The Quad 405s are the main driving amps, chucking out not sure but I'd guess it must be about 75W per channel at least. A single one (o/p 50W) used to dive a pair of Quad electrostats without any problem. In front of them would be either the Quad 44 pre-amp or (if I dare to keep it) the Trevor Lees TL1. (I suppose the only reason why it did for those speakers is because they didn't have a protection circuit in them?) Sound staging is not such a big deal for me because I only have one ear that works! So, I don't hear "stereo" like most other people. How much for a SCM20 SL? $4k?! You are kidding! I was offered a SCM20 SL, brand new by the dealer who sold me the Sony DC3, for just £850 - that's about $1190!!! Boy, someone is raking in a fat profit on those speakers if they sell for $4k in the US. However, even @ just over $1k, it's really outside my budget - and I wonder if it would fit in my room without dominating it! (There's a lovely pair of KEF LS5/1 studio monitors, reputedly used by Paul Weller on e-Bay presently @ just £100 - I'd be tempted but they are just too big!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 10 February 2002 08:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Hi Graham, Wow, sorry to hear about the demise of your speakers. I once owned a Trevor Lees line stage and never had any troubles with it. As far as new speakers (the most subjective of all components, due the huge variability in sound quality) are concerned, I've found that the biggest hurdle one must jump in order to transport oneself to the music hall is finding a good match between the loudspeaker and the room (the largest of all variables). What is the sonic signature of your room (lively, dead, bright, bass heavy, etc)? Also, what is the size of the room? The best speakers for a given room counterbalance the anomalies of the room. The next largest hurdle is achieving a good match between the amp and speaker. Is the amp solid state or tube? How powerful is the amp and how much volume does it and the speaker need to produce? Speaker sensitivity is key here. Also, listener's tastes come into play here. Some like a brighter more detailed sound, some a warmer, richer presentation. For others, dynamics, soundstaging, or imaging are critical. Others need a speaker that will play loudly yet cleanly. Also, size is a factor for some. Do you want a bookshelf or floor standing speaker and of what size? Answering some of these questions will help narrow the choices considerably. Jim Volpatti Answers some of these questions Graham Nelson wrote: > ... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > (the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not > knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > working fine. > > So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > > Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with > it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto > c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > standers or stand mounted. > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Message-ID: <3DA88DFD@mail.totalise.co.uk> Graham, the ATC`s should be available on the s/hand market for prices within your budget, especially the 10`s and older 20`s .but i doubt you will find 20 sl`s as they are very recent models. PMC are not in the same league. We use ATC in our studio because we found them to be more accurate to the source than anything else we have tried,they also have incredible dynamic range. PMC and others give their products to studios for free to get an endorsement (that includes B&W, but they are quite good), but imho you pay for what you get! Fred ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" ===== >Ron > >Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my second >speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the >little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The >Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... >and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to >get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of >bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I could >simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the >cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without >the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending £100-£300 on parts >that will sound completely wrong! > >However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is >working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble >units? > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ron >Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers >.... > > >Graham, > >Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or >xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap >and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > >-- Ron > > >Graham Nelson wrote: > >> Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. >> However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s >for >> £310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly cheaper >> pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price >> BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! >So, >> I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, >and >> the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them and >> sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing >they >> are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much >> dearer TB2/TB2S. >> >> I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent >> speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm >> doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply >> asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, >> and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's >not >> ... >> >> Graham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> FRED MOSS >> Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers >> .... >> >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s >> Fred. >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Feb 10 23:41:19 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:41:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Message-ID: <3DA8A09E@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Jim, you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought reasonably s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. Fred. ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed earlier is >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is $1900 and the SCM >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt that the SCM >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer all the >questions I posed in my last message. > >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend to be >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a speaker? I doubt >it. > >Jim Volpatti > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s >> Fred. >> >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" >> ===== >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter (not >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are >> >working fine. >> > >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) >> > >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker with >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: Upto >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor >> >standers or stand mounted. >> > >> >Graham >> > >> > >> >--- >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >> ====== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >> ====== >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 00:25:12 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:25:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3DA8A09E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C670158.6CEE2D62@earthlink.net> True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham needs a speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even considering the extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. Then again, I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US and the UK. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > >Jim, > you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought reasonably > s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > Fred. > > ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > earlier is > >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is $1900 > and the SCM > >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt that > the SCM > >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer all > the > >questions I posed in my last message. > > > >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend to > be > >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a speaker? > I doubt > >it. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > > > >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > >> Fred. > >> > >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > > >> ===== > >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > (not > >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >> >working fine. > >> > > >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >> > > >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > with > >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > Upto > >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > >> >standers or stand mounted. > >> > > >> >Graham > >> > > >> > > >> >--- > >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >> ====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >> ====== > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 11 00:41:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:41:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <3C670158.6CEE2D62@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003b01c1b28c$70a1c4e0$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Cost of living? Easy answer, Jim - we're a LOT poorer than you!!! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 10 February 2002 11:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham needs a speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even considering the extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. Then again, I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US and the UK. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > >Jim, > you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought reasonably > s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > Fred. > > ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > earlier is > >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is $1900 > and the SCM > >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt that > the SCM > >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer all > the > >questions I posed in my last message. > > > >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend to > be > >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a speaker? > I doubt > >it. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > > > >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > >> Fred. > >> > >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > > >> ===== > >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > (not > >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >> >working fine. > >> > > >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >> > > >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > with > >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > Upto > >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > >> >standers or stand mounted. > >> > > >> >Graham > >> > > >> > > >> >--- > >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > >> ====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > >> ====== > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > ===== > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > ===== > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. > >Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham needs a >speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. > >I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even considering the >extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. Then again, >I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US and the UK. > >Jim Volpatti > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > >> >Jim, >> you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought reasonably >> s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. >> Fred. >> >> ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== >> >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed >> earlier is >> >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is $1900 >> and the SCM >> >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt that >> the SCM >> >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer all >> the >> >questions I posed in my last message. >> > >> >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend to >> be >> >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a speaker? >> I doubt >> >it. >> > >> >Jim Volpatti >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >FRED MOSS wrote: >> > >> >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s >> >> Fred. >> >> >> >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" >> >> >> ===== >> >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp >> >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers >> >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off >> >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had >> >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared >> >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter >> (not >> >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are >> >> >working fine. >> >> > >> >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or >> >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely >> >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, >> >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling >> >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to >> >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! >> >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) >> >> > >> >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has >> >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made >> >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker >> with >> >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, >> >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: >> Upto >> >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, >> >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! >> >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor >> >> >standers or stand mounted. >> >> > >> >> >Graham >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >--- >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 >> >> > >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >> >> ====== >> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> resource. >> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >> >> ====== >> >> >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> >> ---------------------- >> >> To become a member and a shareholder >> >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >> >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== >> ===== >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >> ====== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >> ====== >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== ===== > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 01:22:21 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:22:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <003b01c1b28c$70a1c4e0$f4b687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C670EBD.7773C94B@earthlink.net> We have the reputation of being a very wealthy country but I can tell you that a typical home here in the San Francisco Bay Area costs about ten times an average annual salary. There are many, many people here who can not afford to buy a home. And please don't get me started on the whole issue of the poor who do not have any housing at all. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Cost of living? Easy answer, Jim - we're a LOT poorer than you!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 10 February 2002 11:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. > > Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham > needs a > speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. > > I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even > considering the > extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. > Then again, > I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US > and the UK. > > Jim Volpatti > > FRED MOSS wrote: > > > >Jim, > > you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought > reasonably > > s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > > Fred. > > > > ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > > >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > > earlier is > > >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is > $1900 > > and the SCM > > >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt > that > > the SCM > > >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer > all > > the > > >questions I posed in my last message. > > > > > >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend > to > > be > > >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a > speaker? > > I doubt > > >it. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > > > > > >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > >> Fred. > > >> > > >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > > > > >> ===== > > >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on > pre-amp > > >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE > speakers > > >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know > off > > >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have > had > > >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've > beggared > > >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > > (not > > >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > > >> >working fine. > > >> > > > >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > > >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > > >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen > again, > > >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start > fiddling > > >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya > want to > > >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > > >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > > >> > > > >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > > >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've > made > > >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > > with > > >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power > amps, > > >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > > Upto > > >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand > speakers, > > >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip > Hop! > > >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint > floor > > >> >standers or stand mounted. > > >> > > > >> >Graham > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >--- > > >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > >> > > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > >> ====== > > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >> resource. > > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > >> ====== > > >> > > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > > >> ---------------------- > > >> To become a member and a shareholder > > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > > >> > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > ===== > > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > ===== > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > > > Totalise - the Users ISP > > ---------------------- > > To become a member and a shareholder > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Feb 11 01:24:51 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 00:24:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Message-ID: <3DAB0DB2@mail.totalise.co.uk> >There are some omissions in my last email,i use active 100`s, active 10`s or 20`s will not do 115db, probably 108 and 112 respectively-they are not physically big enough to move that much air. Fred ===== Original Message From FRED MOSS ===== >>Yes, but you were entirely correct, i didnt even think about the rest of the >system. I use the active versions and they will push out 115/118 db without >compression, the distotion is so low that they do not sound loud, most >ordinary loudspeakers distort more easily and therefore sound too loud- the >distortion makes you want to turn them down. > >Fred > > >===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== >>True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. >> >>Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham >needs a >>speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. >> >>I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even >considering the >>extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. >Then again, >>I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US >and the UK. >> >>Jim Volpatti >> >> >> >>FRED MOSS wrote: >> >>> >Jim, >>> you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought >reasonably >>> s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. >>> Fred. >>> >>> ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== >>> >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed >>> earlier is >>> >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is >$1900 >>> and the SCM >>> >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt >that >>> the SCM >>> >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer >all >>> the >>> >questions I posed in my last message. >>> > >>> >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend >to >>> be >>> >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a >speaker? >>> I doubt >>> >it. >>> > >>> >Jim Volpatti >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >FRED MOSS wrote: >>> > >>> >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s >>> >> Fred. >>> >> >>> >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" >>> >>> >> ===== >>> >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on >pre-amp >>> >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE >speakers >>> >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know >off >>> >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have >had >>> >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've >beggared >>> >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter >>> (not >>> >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are >>> >> >working fine. >>> >> > >>> >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or >>> >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely >>> >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, >>> >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start >fiddling >>> >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want >to >>> >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! >>> >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) >>> >> > >>> >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has >>> >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've >made >>> >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker >>> with >>> >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power >amps, >>> >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: >>> Upto >>> >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand >speakers, >>> >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! >>> >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint >floor >>> >> >standers or stand mounted. >>> >> > >>> >> >Graham >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >--- >>> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>> >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >>> >> ====== >>> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >> resource. >>> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >>> >> ====== >>> >> >>> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >>> >> ---------------------- >>> >> To become a member and a shareholder >>> >> visit http://www.totalise.net >>> >> >>> >> >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== = >>> ===== >>> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> resource. >>> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >> >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== = >>> ===== >>> > >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >>> ====== >>> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> resource. >>> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >>> ====== >>> >>> Totalise - the Users ISP >>> ---------------------- >>> To become a member and a shareholder >>> visit http://www.totalise.net >>> >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== = >===== >>> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== = >===== >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >====== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 01:33:04 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:33:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3DAA845E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C671140.A8D9F2B6@earthlink.net> I'm curious, Fred. Which model do you use? I spoke to a couple of gentlemen from ATC and the US west coast distributor at this year's Consumer Electronic Show. I also listened to their new Active 10 but concluded that overall the ATC line is too expensive here in the US. In addition, most audiophiles want the freedom to choose their own amplification. As I mentioned before, the passive models are quite inefficient and therefore require even more money to be spent on high power amplification. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > >Yes, but you were entirely correct, i didnt even think about the rest of the > system. I use the active versions and they will push out 115/118 db without > compression, the distotion is so low that they do not sound loud, most > ordinary loudspeakers distort more easily and therefore sound too loud- the > distortion makes you want to turn them down. > > Fred > > ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. > > > >Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham > needs a > >speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. > > > >I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even > considering the > >extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. > Then again, > >I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US > and the UK. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > > > >> >Jim, > >> you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought > reasonably > >> s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > >> Fred. > >> > >> ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >> >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > >> earlier is > >> >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is > $1900 > >> and the SCM > >> >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt > that > >> the SCM > >> >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer > all > >> the > >> >questions I posed in my last message. > >> > > >> >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend > to > >> be > >> >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a > speaker? > >> I doubt > >> >it. > >> > > >> >Jim Volpatti > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >FRED MOSS wrote: > >> > > >> >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > >> >> Fred. > >> >> > >> >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > >> > >> >> ===== > >> >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on > pre-amp > >> >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE > speakers > >> >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know > off > >> >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have > had > >> >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've > beggared > >> >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > >> (not > >> >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >> >> >working fine. > >> >> > > >> >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >> >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >> >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > >> >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start > fiddling > >> >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want > to > >> >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >> >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >> >> > > >> >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >> >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've > made > >> >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > >> with > >> >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power > amps, > >> >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > >> Upto > >> >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand > speakers, > >> >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > >> >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint > floor > >> >> >standers or stand mounted. > >> >> > > >> >> >Graham > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >--- > >> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >> ====== > >> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> >> resource. > >> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >> >> ====== > >> >> > >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> >> ---------------------- > >> >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> >> > >> >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > >> ===== > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >> ====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >> ====== > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 01:59:07 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:59:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3DAB0DB2@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C67175B.972B023@earthlink.net> Also keep in mind that volume is a function of room size and speaker-to-listener distance. I very rarely hit peaks of more than 95 dB. Having headroom (in both the amplification and loudspeaker) does make for less distortion and a more relaxed presentation though. By the way, Fred (and Graham). ATC has a new line of speakers which are much more stylized (almost looks like a life style product in its metal clad speaker cabinet) called the Passive and Active series. If I remember correctly, the Active 10 retailed for $2900 US. Of course, it is only rated to go down to 70 hz at -2 dB but I wonder if they make a Passive 20 that might fit Graham's budget and needs. Graham, if you like the ATC sound, it could be worth looking into. Keep in mind that your preferred listening volume and the power rating of your Quads (are they tube or solid state?) are definitely a factor here because of the sensitivity of passive ATCs. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > >There are some omissions in my last email,i use active 100`s, active 10`s or > 20`s will not do 115db, probably 108 and 112 respectively-they are not > physically big enough to move that much air. > > Fred > > ===== Original Message From FRED MOSS ===== > >>Yes, but you were entirely correct, i didnt even think about the rest of the > >system. I use the active versions and they will push out 115/118 db without > >compression, the distotion is so low that they do not sound loud, most > >ordinary loudspeakers distort more easily and therefore sound too loud- the > >distortion makes you want to turn them down. > > > >Fred > > > > > >===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >>True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. > >> > >>Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham > >needs a > >>speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. > >> > >>I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even > >considering the > >>extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. > >Then again, > >>I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US > >and the UK. > >> > >>Jim Volpatti > >> > >> > >> > >>FRED MOSS wrote: > >> > >>> >Jim, > >>> you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought > >reasonably > >>> s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > >>> Fred. > >>> > >>> ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >>> >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > >>> earlier is > >>> >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is > >$1900 > >>> and the SCM > >>> >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt > >that > >>> the SCM > >>> >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer > >all > >>> the > >>> >questions I posed in my last message. > >>> > > >>> >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend > >to > >>> be > >>> >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a > >speaker? > >>> I doubt > >>> >it. > >>> > > >>> >Jim Volpatti > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >FRED MOSS wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > >>> >> Fred. > >>> >> > >>> >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > >>> > >>> >> ===== > >>> >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on > >pre-amp > >>> >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE > >speakers > >>> >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know > >off > >>> >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have > >had > >>> >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've > >beggared > >>> >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > >>> (not > >>> >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >>> >> >working fine. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >>> >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >>> >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen > again, > >>> >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start > >fiddling > >>> >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya > want > >to > >>> >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >>> >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >>> >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've > >made > >>> >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > >>> with > >>> >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power > >amps, > >>> >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > >>> Upto > >>> >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand > >speakers, > >>> >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip > Hop! > >>> >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint > >floor > >>> >> >standers or stand mounted. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Graham > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >--- > >>> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>> >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> >> ====== > >>> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> >> resource. > >>> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> >> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> >> ====== > >>> >> > >>> >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >>> >> ---------------------- > >>> >> To become a member and a shareholder > >>> >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >>> ===== > >>> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> resource. > >>> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> >> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >>> ===== > >>> > > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> ====== > >>> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> resource. > >>> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> ====== > >>> > >>> Totalise - the Users ISP > >>> ---------------------- > >>> To become a member and a shareholder > >>> visit http://www.totalise.net > >>> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >===== > >>> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >===== > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >====== > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >====== > > > >Totalise - the Users ISP > >---------------------- > >To become a member and a shareholder > >visit http://www.totalise.net > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 02:03:09 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:03:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3DAB0DB2@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C67184D.58DC55CB@earthlink.net> By the way, the SCM 100A Pro retails for $14,100 US. It better hit 115 dB! And take out the garbage and scrub the bathroom too!! = ^ ) Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > >There are some omissions in my last email,i use active 100`s, active 10`s or > 20`s will not do 115db, probably 108 and 112 respectively-they are not > physically big enough to move that much air. > > Fred > > ===== Original Message From FRED MOSS ===== > >>Yes, but you were entirely correct, i didnt even think about the rest of the > >system. I use the active versions and they will push out 115/118 db without > >compression, the distotion is so low that they do not sound loud, most > >ordinary loudspeakers distort more easily and therefore sound too loud- the > >distortion makes you want to turn them down. > > > >Fred > > > > > >===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >>True, Fred. I hope my post didn't come across too strongly. > >> > >>Since classical music varies so much in dynamic range I assume that Graham > >needs a > >>speaker that can play loudly, yet cleanly at least some of the time. > >> > >>I'm surprised that ATC retails for so much more here in the US. Even > >considering the > >>extra shipping costs and the US distributor's cut, they still seem pricey. > >Then again, > >>I have no idea how salaries and the cost of living compares between the US > >and the UK. > >> > >>Jim Volpatti > >> > >> > >> > >>FRED MOSS wrote: > >> > >>> >Jim, > >>> you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought > >reasonably > >>> s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > >>> Fred. > >>> > >>> ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >>> >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > >>> earlier is > >>> >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is > >$1900 > >>> and the SCM > >>> >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt > >that > >>> the SCM > >>> >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer > >all > >>> the > >>> >questions I posed in my last message. > >>> > > >>> >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend > >to > >>> be > >>> >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a > >speaker? > >>> I doubt > >>> >it. > >>> > > >>> >Jim Volpatti > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> >FRED MOSS wrote: > >>> > > >>> >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > >>> >> Fred. > >>> >> > >>> >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > >>> > >>> >> ===== > >>> >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on > >pre-amp > >>> >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE > >speakers > >>> >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know > >off > >>> >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have > >had > >>> >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've > >beggared > >>> >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > >>> (not > >>> >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >>> >> >working fine. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >>> >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >>> >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen > again, > >>> >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start > >fiddling > >>> >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya > want > >to > >>> >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >>> >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >>> >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've > >made > >>> >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > >>> with > >>> >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power > >amps, > >>> >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > >>> Upto > >>> >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand > >speakers, > >>> >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip > Hop! > >>> >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint > >floor > >>> >> >standers or stand mounted. > >>> >> > > >>> >> >Graham > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> >--- > >>> >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>> >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>> >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> >> ====== > >>> >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> >> resource. > >>> >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> >> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> >> ====== > >>> >> > >>> >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >>> >> ---------------------- > >>> >> To become a member and a shareholder > >>> >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >>> ===== > >>> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> resource. > >>> >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> >> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >>> ===== > >>> > > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> ====== > >>> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> resource. > >>> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >>> ====== > >>> > >>> Totalise - the Users ISP > >>> ---------------------- > >>> To become a member and a shareholder > >>> visit http://www.totalise.net > >>> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >===== > >>> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > = > >===== > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >====== > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > = > >====== > > > >Totalise - the Users ISP > >---------------------- > >To become a member and a shareholder > >visit http://www.totalise.net > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <3DA8A09E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <009301c1b2bf$47c56120$69ed3fd0@oemcomputer> How about the new atc scm 7 or chuck the quads and buy the really good powered scm 10's Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > >Jim, > you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought reasonably > s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > Fred. > > > ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > earlier is > >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is $1900 > and the SCM > >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt that > the SCM > >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer all > the > >questions I posed in my last message. > > > >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend to > be > >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a speaker? > I doubt > >it. > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > > > >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > >> Fred. > >> > >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > > >> ===== > >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on pre-amp > >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE speakers > >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know off > >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have had > >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've beggared > >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > (not > >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > >> >working fine. > >> > > >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen again, > >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start fiddling > >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya want to > >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > >> > > >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've made > >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > with > >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power amps, > >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > Upto > >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand speakers, > >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip Hop! > >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint floor > >> >standers or stand mounted. > >> > > >> >Graham > >> > > >> > > >> >--- > >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > >> ====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > >> ====== > >> > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > >> ---------------------- > >> To become a member and a shareholder > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > ===== > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== == > ===== > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 07:02:10 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:02:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3DA8A09E@mail.totalise.co.uk> <009301c1b2bf$47c56120$69ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C675E62.AA53CD1B@earthlink.net> Because the powered ATCs cost more than Grahams wants to spend. Besides, I doubt they have the grunt in the low end that he is looking for. Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > How about the new atc scm 7 or chuck the quads and > buy the really good powered scm 10's > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "FRED MOSS" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:41 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > >Jim, > > you are pobably right about the sensitivity, but they can be bought > reasonably > > s/h and if Graham doesnt play loud he may be ok. > > Fred. > > > > > > ===== Original Message From Jim Volpatti ===== > > >Making suggestions like this without answering the questions I just posed > > earlier is > > >irresponsible and careless. Also the US retail price of the SCM 10 is > $1900 > > and the SCM > > >20 SL is $4300. A used SCM 10 in the UK might fit his budget but I doubt > that > > the SCM > > >20 would. Even if the SCM 10 does fit his budget he still needs to answer > all > > the > > >questions I posed in my last message. > > > > > >And while the ATC speakers do sound wonderful, the passive versions tend > to > > be > > >hideously insensitive. Is Graham's little Quad up to driving such a > speaker? > > I doubt > > >it. > > > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >FRED MOSS wrote: > > > > > >> >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > >> Fred. > > >> > > >> ===== Original Message From "Graham Nelson" > > > > >> ===== > > >> >... Oooops! Never has the mistake of pushing the wrong button on > pre-amp > > >> >(the tape switch) led to the beggaring of not just two but THREE > speakers > > >> >before ... but that's what you get for buying a pre-amp you don't know > off > > >> >e-Bay, ain't it! It's like the poor little (not so little) guys have > had > > >> >their testicles cut off - the treble's gone. Don't know if I've > beggared > > >> >the cross-over or the speakers themselves, but I'm guessing the latter > > (not > > >> >knowing much about such things, of course) since the bass drivers are > > >> >working fine. > > >> > > > >> >So, I'm thinking may be this is the time to get myself a new (or > > >> >second-hand) pair of speakers (and probably to get rid of that lovely > > >> >sounding tube amp which seems to be a disaster waiting to happen > again, > > >> >especially when the two little terrors come home again and start > fiddling > > >> >with switches, as curious three-year olds tend to do ... Makes ya > want to > > >> >get a pair of ESL57's - go poke you little finger in the back of that! > > >> >Except I don't have enough room for a pair of ESLs.) > > >> > > > >> >Anyway, if there is anyone listening to my drivelling on here who has > > >> >experience of Quad amps (no, it wasn't the Quad that did this - I've > made > > >> >the same mistake many a time with the Quad 44 and NEVER hurt a speaker > > with > > >> >it), the combo being Quad 44 pre with a pair of mono Quad 405 power > amps, > > >> >any recommendations for speakers to consider as a good match? Budget: > > Upto > > >> >c. L500 (that's about $700) and I'm going to consider 2nd hand > speakers, > > >> >too, not only new ones. Music listened to - everything except Hip > Hop! > > >> >esp. but not exclusively classical. They could be small footprint > floor > > >> >standers or stand mounted. > > >> > > > >> >Graham > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >--- > > >> >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >> >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >> >Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > >> > > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > >> ====== > > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >> resource. > > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > >> ====== > > >> > > >> Totalise - the Users ISP > > >> ---------------------- > > >> To become a member and a shareholder > > >> visit http://www.totalise.net > > >> > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > ===== > > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > == > > ===== > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > == > > ====== > > > > Totalise - the Users ISP > > ---------------------- > > To become a member and a shareholder > > visit http://www.totalise.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Mon Feb 11 07:46:42 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul CONT) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:46:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158198@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Likewise, John. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 8:44 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 Good point - but could you make it without using that kind of language - my kids look over my shoulder, you effing d*ck****d John Walker Portland email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Tellez, Raul CONT [SMTP:rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil] Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 16:28 To: 'naktalk at naks.com'; 8512 at hotbot.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 << File: ATT00000.htm >> What the fuck is this shit? -----Original Message----- From: y.kawabata2 at mail.com [mailto:y.kawabata2 at mail.com] Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 12:08 PM To: 8512 at hotbot.com Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 BUSINESS WIRE--Nation's Second-Largest Drug Store Chain Places Order for Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor... 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Maus further stated, ``Having met our financial and strategic goals in calendar year 2001, reaching this 2002 revenue objective will keep Lifestream on target for our five-year sales objective. Our five-year distribution, marketing and sales models parallel the successful rollout strategies of several personal healthcare device companies within the last ten years. Each of these companies reached a run rate exceeding $100 million within five years from the product roll out. Lifestream's Chief Financial Officer, Brett Sweezy, stated, ``The projections for calendar year 2002 are on target with our five-year plan. This prospective forecast is contingent on a number of material events, including the completion of our $6.0 million private placement within the next 60 days. These funds are essential for the continuity of our marketing, advertising and awareness campaigns, which support the continued sell through of our retail products.'' This prospective twelve-month forecast follows record consolidated net sales of $1.2 million for the Company's most recently completed fiscal 2002 second quarter ended December 31, 2001, as compared with consolidated net sales of $880,000 and $52,000 for the preceding fiscal 2002 first quarter ended September 30, 2001, and fiscal 2001 second quarter ended December 31, 2000, respectively. The broad consumer rollout of the device is targeted at more than 100 million Americans with elevated cholesterol levels. Since its launch in January 2000, major department store retailers and drug store chains, including Bealls, Eckerd, Longs Drug, Albertson's (Sav-on and Osco Drug) and CVS have all begun retailing the device Lifestream Technologies (KFL) Expects Growth to Exceed 150% Management Forecasts Revenue Exceeding $10 Million for 2002 Lifestream Technologies, Inc. (AMEX: KFL), the leading manufacturer of smart card-enabled health care diagnostic devices, announces expected growth for calendar 2002 to exceed 150%, and management forecasts revenue exceeding $10 million. In addition, Lifestream has also announced that CVS Corporation (NYSE: CVS) has agreed to distribute the Lifestream Personal Cholesterol Monitor (the only one of its kind) at its retail locations nationwide. CVS ranks as the largest drug store chain in the country in terms of store count with retail locations at over 4,100 sites nationwide. For these reasons our chief analyst has upgraded KFL to a STRONG BUY recommendation. Potential Earnings Over 105 million Americans are estimated to have high cholesterol (source: NCEP). Over 8 million new blood pressure monitoring devices are sold every year, with consumer cholesterol market sales estimated at 10 to $12.9 billion in monitoring devices alone. The NIH (National Institutes of Health) expects that as many as 101 million Americans require either drug therapy or therapeutic lifestyle changes to manage their cholesterol levels. If only 2% of consumers were to purchase the Lifestream monitoring device, sales would eclipse $2 billion annually. Premium Health Care Product The Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor offers consumers a fast, easy and accurate way to monitor their cholesterol levels in the convenience of their own home, unlike other diagnostic devices that require a hospital or doctor's visit. Equipped with an embedded smart card reader, the device allows users to save past results and share them with their doctors and pharmacists. The Lifestream Cholesterol Monitor was given marketing approval by the FDA in August 2000 ( Alberta Heritage Foundation For Medical Research) and launched in January 2002 through QVC television and high-end consumer specialty stores, catalogs and websites including QuickMedical.com and DrugStore.com , Since that time, major department store retailers and drug store chains such as Dillard's , Bealls , and Albertson's ( Sav-on and Osco Drugs) have all begun retailing the device. The broad consumer rollout is targeted at the more than 100-million Americans with elevated cholesterol levels. Lifestream Technologies ( KFL ) presently has its cholesterol monitoring devices (using exclusively licensed, patented photo-optic sensor technology) in over 7000 consumer retail outlets such as CVS Drug Stores, Eckerd Drugs, Sharper Image , Macy 's, and many others nationwide. By March of this year, Lifestream plans to be in an estimated 15,000 outlets. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 11 08:56:52 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:56:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Message-ID: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you do not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not entirely clear what your set up is. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Ron Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my second speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I could simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts that will sound completely wrong! However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble units? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Graham, Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s for > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly cheaper > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! So, > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, and > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them and > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing they > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's not > ... > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > FRED MOSS > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > Fred. > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti John Walker wrote: > Graham > The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, > and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it > could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you do > not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's > gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have > eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) > and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. > > By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo > source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This > would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not > entirely clear what your set up is. > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > Ron > > Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my > second > speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the > little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The > Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... > and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to > get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of > bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I > could > simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the > cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without > the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts > that will sound completely wrong! > > However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is > working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble > units? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > Graham, > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s > for > > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly > cheaper > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! > So, > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, > and > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them > and > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing > they > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's > not > > ... > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > FRED MOSS > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > Fred. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Mon Feb 11 15:47:30 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:47:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 repaired hurray Message-ID: <005c01c1b30b$08352f80$adf03f50@opasia.dk> hi nak-group I'm glad to inform that I'm again a happy man. My Nak CR7 has been to a local repairman, who turned out to be competent with Naks, though he had mostly done Teac machines. As some of you might remember from postings in december the powersupply was indeed gone and he changed a transistor (C945Q155C) and a capacitor(2200uF). He also changed changed the motor BHS7B02-50906-A, because the rubberwheel was worn out and he couldn't get a spare wheel without a motot attached. It cost next to nothing, because the former importer who holds the spare parts was (made) convinced that there wouldn't be much need for this item in the future. Well, that was scarry, don't you think. He finally exchanged the rubberwheels in the tapeguide for new ones. - The machine seems to function perfectly now and the sound is good too. I have a collection of 700 tapes, most of them recorded 1981-95: some with sony tck-81, some with Nak 581 and from '85 with CR7. The material is mostly jazz from 1975-85: names like Abercrombie, Keith Jarrett, Jack DeJohnette, Jan Garbarek, Roland Hanna, Pat Metheny and so on. According to my Rolling Stone Jazz&Blues Album guide most of these recordings are now out of print, which makes it even more interesting. As I have several recordings of each artist, also some taken from the radio when we had jazzfestivals in Copenhagen, it's interesting to follow the artist's development. Well, it wasn't exactly a cheap repair (225$?), but I'm glad I did it and want to thank the group for support along the way. Off topic: I also want to thank for the idea of using the Behringer 8024 equalizer. I have had much fun with this machine and a few visits from doubting hifinuts in the area. We all agree that it works: at least it doesn't spoil the sound and most seem to think it's improving it. Also: it tells you something about the nature of your listening room and is a toy to play with. I had a "chat" on a local website with the director of TacT Peter Lyngdorff (roomcorrection) and asked his opinion about the 8024. He said, as director of a competing firm: peter lyngdorf - kl. 17:32"Behringer is an Equalizer working in the frequencydomain. This means all regulations eats off the resolution and gives more noise. But room-problems are created in the time-domain. Simply put: if the loudspeaker is linear, but the room makes it un-linear, then the direct sound will be OK, but the room-response will have errors. If you deal with the room-problems with an EQ you ruin the direct sound to compensate for room-errors.Furthermore 32 bands in the EQ is far from enough to "hit" resonances and outphasings - you risk ringing in the time-domain. Equalizers are mostly usable for correcting the tonal character of loudspeakers. Concluding I can say that Behringer offers a lot for the money but it can't be used for room-correction." (my translation from Danish) This was the thumb down and he is probably right in most of this, but then again: the sound seems to be improved? Ole Thofte ps. To Stephen: you remember my troll question in the rec.audio.pro NG? I did get one response. It turned out I have one fan out there who read an article I wrote in Speaker Builder in 1988 about building a ribbon loudspeaker "on the kitchen bench". He was 15 at the time and told me how much fun his diy-building had been and that he had kept the hobby since then. That was fun. Later it turned out that he too was using the Behringer 8024 and liked it a lot. Maybe we're talking about a syndrome here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Feb 11 16:17:59 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:17:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 repaired hurray References: <005c01c1b30b$08352f80$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Message-ID: <010c01c1b30f$4a8a3f20$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I don't think that $225 was expensive at all, almost cheap for what he did. Surely that didn't include the replacement motor! Maybe we should all contact that supplier to see what can be secured before everything is lost. John ----- Original Message ----- From: ole thofte To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 repaired hurray hi nak-group I'm glad to inform that I'm again a happy man. My Nak CR7 has been to a local repairman, who turned out to be competent with Naks, though he had mostly done Teac machines. As some of you might remember from postings in december the powersupply was indeed gone and he changed a transistor (C945Q155C) and a capacitor(2200uF). He also changed changed the motor BHS7B02-50906-A, because the rubberwheel was worn out and he couldn't get a spare wheel without a motot attached. It cost next to nothing, because the former importer who holds the spare parts was (made) convinced that there wouldn't be much need for this item in the future. Well, that was scarry, don't you think. He finally exchanged the rubberwheels in the tapeguide for new ones. - The machine seems to function perfectly now and the sound is good too. I have a collection of 700 tapes, most of them recorded 1981-95: some with sony tck-81, some with Nak 581 and from '85 with CR7. The material is mostly jazz from 1975-85: names like Abercrombie, Keith Jarrett, Jack DeJohnette, Jan Garbarek, Roland Hanna, Pat Metheny and so on. According to my Rolling Stone Jazz&Blues Album guide most of these recordings are now out of print, which makes it even more interesting. As I have several recordings of each artist, also some taken from the radio when we had jazzfestivals in Copenhagen, it's interesting to follow the artist's development. Well, it wasn't exactly a cheap repair (225$?), but I'm glad I did it and want to thank the group for support along the way. Off topic: I also want to thank for the idea of using the Behringer 8024 equalizer. I have had much fun with this machine and a few visits from doubting hifinuts in the area. We all agree that it works: at least it doesn't spoil the sound and most seem to think it's improving it. Also: it tells you something about the nature of your listening room and is a toy to play with. I had a "chat" on a local website with the director of TacT Peter Lyngdorff (roomcorrection) and asked his opinion about the 8024. He said, as director of a competing firm: peter lyngdorf - kl. 17:32"Behringer is an Equalizer working in the frequencydomain. This means all regulations eats off the resolution and gives more noise. But room-problems are created in the time-domain. Simply put: if the loudspeaker is linear, but the room makes it un-linear, then the direct sound will be OK, but the room-response will have errors. If you deal with the room-problems with an EQ you ruin the direct sound to compensate for room-errors.Furthermore 32 bands in the EQ is far from enough to "hit" resonances and outphasings - you risk ringing in the time-domain. Equalizers are mostly usable for correcting the tonal character of loudspeakers. Concluding I can say that Behringer offers a lot for the money but it can't be used for room-correction." (my translation from Danish) This was the thumb down and he is probably right in most of this, but then again: the sound seems to be improved? Ole Thofte ps. To Stephen: you remember my troll question in the rec.audio.pro NG? I did get one response. It turned out I have one fan out there who read an article I wrote in Speaker Builder in 1988 about building a ribbon loudspeaker "on the kitchen bench". He was 15 at the time and told me how much fun his diy-building had been and that he had kept the hobby since then. That was fun. Later it turned out that he too was using the Behringer 8024 and liked it a lot. Maybe we're talking about a syndrome here? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Feb 11 11:19:00 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Adina) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:19:00 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C679A94.182B4063@concentric.net> I agree that replacing original drivers with after market speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals (based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the original specs and quality -- Ron . Jim Volpatti wrote: > I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It seems to me > that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that was > amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could be wrong > though. > > As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding the > original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an enclosure with a > crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. > > Jim Volpatti > > John Walker wrote: > > > Graham > > The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, > > and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it > > could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you do > > not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's > > gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have > > eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) > > and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. > > > > By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo > > source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This > > would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not > > entirely clear what your set up is. > > > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > > Ron > > > > Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my > > second > > speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the > > little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The > > Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... > > and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to > > get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of > > bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I > > could > > simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the > > cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without > > the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts > > that will sound completely wrong! > > > > However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is > > working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble > > units? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > Graham, > > > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s > > for > > > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly > > cheaper > > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! > > So, > > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, > > and > > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them > > and > > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing > > they > > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's > > not > > > ... > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > FRED MOSS > > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > > .... > > > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > > Fred. > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk Mon Feb 11 16:48:53 2002 From: ole.thofte at tdcadsl.dk (ole thofte) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:48:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR7 repaired hurray References: <005c01c1b30b$08352f80$adf03f50@opasia.dk> <010c01c1b30f$4a8a3f20$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <00dc01c1b313$9bb27940$adf03f50@opasia.dk> Hi John well I'm glad you think so; the price included everything. The supplier is Hifiklubben in Denmark. They used to import Nak's but don't any more. I don't think they have that many spare parts. Speaking of that: my original motor seems to be OK, but worn of course. It was just the rubber wheel that needed changing. So if someone needs a motor for CR7 sometime, send me a mail, since I guess I have one spare (with a defect rubber wheel attached). ole ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR7 repaired hurray I don't think that $225 was expensive at all, almost cheap for what he did. Surely that didn't include the replacement motor! Maybe we should all contact that supplier to see what can be secured before everything is lost. John ----- Original Message ----- From: ole thofte To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR7 repaired hurray hi nak-group I'm glad to inform that I'm again a happy man. My Nak CR7 has been to a local repairman, who turned out to be competent with Naks, though he had mostly done Teac machines. As some of you might remember from postings in december the powersupply was indeed gone and he changed a transistor (C945Q155C) and a capacitor(2200uF). He also changed changed the motor BHS7B02-50906-A, because the rubberwheel was worn out and he couldn't get a spare wheel without a motot attached. It cost next to nothing, because the former importer who holds the spare parts was (made) convinced that there wouldn't be much need for this item in the future. Well, that was scarry, don't you think. He finally exchanged the rubberwheels in the tapeguide for new ones. - The machine seems to function perfectly now and the sound is good too. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Feb 11 14:18:23 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:18:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage Message-ID: Hi George, I too have not heard the Musical Fidelity X-LP, but it does seem to get consistently positive write-ups. I also don't know the Trichord unit although I have liked everything from Tom Evans in the past. His extensively tweaked Pioneer A300R Precision has a very good phono stage for instance (that's as close as I can get) - it's only MM though but is as good as it gets on integrated amps thesedays. Very open, no harshness or grittiness. Basically, well up to the standard of the line inputs. Cheers, Marc >>> jvolpatti at earthlink.net 02/11/02 11:14AM >>> It all depends on your room, your system and your tastes. I have no experience with this particular piece. Jim Volpatti George Valkov wrote: > Pls bear with me guys, I hope to end my quest soon -:). Any comments on the > Musical Fidelity X-LPS Phono Stage ? Good, Bad, OK for 150 $ used ? > > Thanks, > George > > P.S. I'd also appreciate any feedback on the Trichord I think I mentioned in > an earlier msg . > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Feb 11 17:37:21 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:37:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage Message-ID: Thanks for the input, Marc. Actually it seems there is a X-LP and then a X-LPS - I still cannot find out the difference, but have seen pics of both with the model ID very clear, so it's obviously not a typo. The problem is that there's an auction on a X-LPS running out in two days and I like to know whether to bid on it or not. BTW, if anyone is looking for any current Ortofon product, just drop me a line off-list and we might work out something interesting. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: , Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:18:23 +0200 Hi George, I too have not heard the Musical Fidelity X-LP, but it does seem to get consistently positive write-ups. I also don't know the Trichord unit although I have liked everything from Tom Evans in the past. His extensively tweaked Pioneer A300R Precision has a very good phono stage for instance (that's as close as I can get) - it's only MM though but is as good as it gets on integrated amps thesedays. Very open, no harshness or grittiness. Basically, well up to the standard of the line inputs. Cheers, Marc _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Mon Feb 11 18:04:27 2002 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:04:27 EST Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 Message-ID: Question: Have any of u noticed that now that business is starting to pick up somewhat since 9/11, that there has been more spam sent? I seem to get more than ever in my AOL box. I usually count around 15 or more a day. Just curious. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Feb 11 18:24:08 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:24:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <3C679A94.182B4063@concentric.net> References: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211121245.020e3630@mail.verizon.net> Replacing a woofer with a non-original part may present a problem due to a mismatch of T-S parameters. There has to be a close match to the cabinet for the bass to sound its best. Replacing a tweeter is not as difficult. As long as the impedance, crossover point (same or lower) and sensitivity are a close match you should be able to retrofit an equal or better second party tweeter with no problem. Well, maybe a minor problem. Getting one with the exact same mounting dimensions might require some research but with a little woodwork it should work out fine. Before you do, check that there is no problem with the crossover by connecting a cheap full range speaker to the tweeter output using pink noise or interstation noise from FM with the muting off. Left and right should sound about the same, with all the lows filtered out. A long time ago I replaced the original KEF T-52 tweeters in a pair of Ref. 105's, which were a little to soft in the upper highs, with Morel MDT-32s and they sounded better than ever. ________________ Marc Stager ========================== At 2/11/02, you wrote: >I agree that replacing original drivers with after market >speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able >locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of >winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals >(based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged >speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the >original specs and quality > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Feb 11 18:22:58 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage References: Message-ID: <025401c1b320$c031d060$69ed3fd0@oemcomputer> The xlp-s is a revised xlp which has been reviewed in stereophile etc to be pretty good considering the cost $150.00 and considering it will be paired with the Nad preamp its probably a good buy but depends on the cartridge you are going to use if I recall it doesn't have adjustable loading on the mc side and the sensitivity is 350µV the loading is 100 ohms. The trichord delphini is a great phono stage which when used as a dual mono system is pretty much up there with anything else made However the delphini basic lists for 534 pounds and I wonder if its not overkill for the nad and if your still buying a project turntable I wonder if you shouldn't reorganize the budget. That is spend more on the table !!!! to sum up the MF for $150.00 good, if you are going to spend more money think rega turntable either a p3 or the p25 my two cents Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage > Thanks for the input, Marc. Actually it seems there is a X-LP and then a > X-LPS - I still cannot find out the difference, but have seen pics of both > with the model ID very clear, so it's obviously not a typo. The problem is > that there's an auction on a X-LPS running out in two days and I like to > know whether to bid on it or not. > > BTW, if anyone is looking for any current Ortofon product, just drop me a > line off-list and we might work out something interesting. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Mark Hugo" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: , > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:18:23 +0200 > > Hi George, > > I too have not heard the Musical Fidelity X-LP, but it does seem to get > consistently positive write-ups. I also don't know the Trichord unit > although I have liked everything from Tom Evans in the past. His > extensively tweaked Pioneer A300R Precision has a very good phono stage for > instance (that's as close as I can get) - it's only MM though but is as good > as it gets on integrated amps thesedays. Very open, no harshness or > grittiness. Basically, well up to the standard of the line inputs. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 19:32:00 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:32:00 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> <3C679A94.182B4063@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C680E1F.EB4783BC@earthlink.net> But at what price? To repair an old pair of Tandberg speakers from the 70s? Hardly seems worth it, unless Graham was very, very fond of them. Jim Volpatti Adina wrote: > I agree that replacing original drivers with after market > speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able > locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of > winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals > (based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged > speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the > original specs and quality > > -- Ron > > . > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It seems to me > > that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that was > > amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could be wrong > > though. > > > > As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding the > > original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an enclosure with a > > crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 19:43:20 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:43:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers.... References: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020211121245.020e3630@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C6810C8.375B2A90@earthlink.net> Keep in mind that Graham mentioned that he isn't very technical. He would have to rely on a technician to figure out the crossover frequencies by reverse engineering. Figuring the sensitivity and impedance of blown driver is close to impossible. Similarly, Thiel Small parameters for the blown woofer further complicate matters. Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Replacing a woofer with a non-original part may present > a problem due to a mismatch of T-S parameters. There has > to be a close match to the cabinet for the bass to sound > its best. > > Replacing a tweeter is not as difficult. As long as the > impedance, crossover point (same or lower) and sensitivity > are a close match you should be able to retrofit an equal or > better second party tweeter with no problem. Well, maybe a > minor problem. Getting one with the exact same mounting > dimensions might require some research but with a little > woodwork it should work out fine. > > Before you do, check that there is no problem with the > crossover by connecting a cheap full range speaker to > the tweeter output using pink noise or interstation > noise from FM with the muting off. Left and right should > sound about the same, with all the lows filtered out. > > A long time ago I replaced the original KEF T-52 tweeters > in a pair of Ref. 105's, which were a little to soft in the > upper highs, with Morel MDT-32s and they sounded > better than ever. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========================== > > At 2/11/02, you wrote: > >I agree that replacing original drivers with after market > >speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able > >locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of > >winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals > >(based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged > >speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the > >original specs and quality > > > >-- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 11 20:52:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:52:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c1b335$a339d740$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> George The X-PLS replaces the X-PL. It is a MM/MC phono stage. The improvements claimed for it are RIAA accuracy to improvements in and lower noise, which should equate to better realism and neutrality. It is now said to be accurate "from 20Hz to about 80kHz and beyond..." (I have their brochure/newsletter in front of me...) Sorry - I don't have a scanner or I'd send you a picture file of the full spec. Graham - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 11 February 2002 04:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage Thanks for the input, Marc. Actually it seems there is a X-LP and then a X-LPS - I still cannot find out the difference, but have seen pics of both with the model ID very clear, so it's obviously not a typo. The problem is that there's an auction on a X-LPS running out in two days and I like to know whether to bid on it or not. BTW, if anyone is looking for any current Ortofon product, just drop me a line off-list and we might work out something interesting. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark Hugo" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: , Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 15:18:23 +0200 Hi George, I too have not heard the Musical Fidelity X-LP, but it does seem to get consistently positive write-ups. I also don't know the Trichord unit although I have liked everything from Tom Evans in the past. His extensively tweaked Pioneer A300R Precision has a very good phono stage for instance (that's as close as I can get) - it's only MM though but is as good as it gets on integrated amps thesedays. Very open, no harshness or grittiness. Basically, well up to the standard of the line inputs. Cheers, Marc _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 11 21:03:35 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:03:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020211121245.020e3630@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001301c1b337$304e5e20$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> The woofers in my Tandbergs were replaced about 10 years ago and they actually sounded better for it! I guess I was just lucky! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 11 February 2002 05:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Replacing a woofer with a non-original part may present a problem due to a mismatch of T-S parameters. There has to be a close match to the cabinet for the bass to sound its best. Replacing a tweeter is not as difficult. As long as the impedance, crossover point (same or lower) and sensitivity are a close match you should be able to retrofit an equal or better second party tweeter with no problem. Well, maybe a minor problem. Getting one with the exact same mounting dimensions might require some research but with a little woodwork it should work out fine. Before you do, check that there is no problem with the crossover by connecting a cheap full range speaker to the tweeter output using pink noise or interstation noise from FM with the muting off. Left and right should sound about the same, with all the lows filtered out. A long time ago I replaced the original KEF T-52 tweeters in a pair of Ref. 105's, which were a little to soft in the upper highs, with Morel MDT-32s and they sounded better than ever. ________________ Marc Stager ========================== At 2/11/02, you wrote: >I agree that replacing original drivers with after market >speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able >locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of >winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals >(based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged >speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the >original specs and quality > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 11 21:03:34 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:03:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001201c1b337$2f541fa0$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> Funny you should say that but I too have found more spam penetrating my In Box, too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of BJGRADY at aol.com Sent: 11 February 2002 05:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 Question: Have any of u noticed that now that business is starting to pick up somewhat since 9/11, that there has been more spam sent? I seem to get more than ever in my AOL box. I usually count around 15 or more a day. Just curious. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 11 21:03:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:03:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers.... In-Reply-To: <3C6810C8.375B2A90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001401c1b337$31ea5ae0$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> LOL! You have my mark, Jim! Grrrinning Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 11 February 2002 06:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers.... Keep in mind that Graham mentioned that he isn't very technical. He would have to rely on a technician to figure out the crossover frequencies by reverse engineering. Figuring the sensitivity and impedance of blown driver is close to impossible. Similarly, Thiel Small parameters for the blown woofer further complicate matters. Jim Volpatti Marc Stager wrote: > Replacing a woofer with a non-original part may present > a problem due to a mismatch of T-S parameters. There has > to be a close match to the cabinet for the bass to sound > its best. > > Replacing a tweeter is not as difficult. As long as the > impedance, crossover point (same or lower) and sensitivity > are a close match you should be able to retrofit an equal or > better second party tweeter with no problem. Well, maybe a > minor problem. Getting one with the exact same mounting > dimensions might require some research but with a little > woodwork it should work out fine. > > Before you do, check that there is no problem with the > crossover by connecting a cheap full range speaker to > the tweeter output using pink noise or interstation > noise from FM with the muting off. Left and right should > sound about the same, with all the lows filtered out. > > A long time ago I replaced the original KEF T-52 tweeters > in a pair of Ref. 105's, which were a little to soft in the > upper highs, with Morel MDT-32s and they sounded > better than ever. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========================== > > At 2/11/02, you wrote: > >I agree that replacing original drivers with after market > >speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able > >locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of > >winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals > >(based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged > >speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the > >original specs and quality > > > >-- Ron > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 11 21:20:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:20:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... In-Reply-To: <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501c1b339$81d1c280$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> I am fairly confident the problem was created when I threw the tape switch creating massive feedback! The noise was such that, at first, I though it was my ears playing up rather than the speakers!!! The Trev' Lees pre-amp does not have a tape monitoring circuit ... I now find to my cost! So, if you touch that switch at the wrong moment ... massive attack of high frequency noise, hence (I presume) the treble units were goosed but the main drivers are still wonderful. I must now create some way by which I can protect the tape switch from my little boys ... I may remember not to throw it but they'll surely experiment! (Presumably, this would not be a problem with speakers that incorporate a protection circuit?) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 11 February 2002 08:55 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It seems to me that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that was amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could be wrong though. As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding the original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an enclosure with a crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. Jim Volpatti John Walker wrote: > Graham > The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, > and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it > could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you do > not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's > gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have > eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) > and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. > > By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo > source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This > would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not > entirely clear what your set up is. > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > Ron > > Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my > second > speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the > little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The > Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... > and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to > get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of > bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I > could > simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the > cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without > the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts > that will sound completely wrong! > > However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is > working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble > units? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > Graham, > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s > for > > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly > cheaper > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! > So, > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, > and > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them > and > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing > they > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's > not > > ... > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > FRED MOSS > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > Fred. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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And take out > the garbage and scrub the bathroom too!! = ^ ) > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 11 22:00:23 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 13:00:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <001501c1b339$81d1c280$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C6830E7.4F4D2270@earthlink.net> Most modern speaker designs have no protection circuitry. A fuse holder could be wired into the speaker cable but that could very easily affect sound quality. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > I am fairly confident the problem was created when I threw the tape switch > creating massive feedback! The noise was such that, at first, I though it > was my ears playing up rather than the speakers!!! The Trev' Lees pre-amp > does not have a tape monitoring circuit ... I now find to my cost! So, if > you touch that switch at the wrong moment ... massive attack of high > frequency noise, hence (I presume) the treble units were goosed but the main > drivers are still wonderful. > > I must now create some way by which I can protect the tape switch from my > little boys ... I may remember not to throw it but they'll surely > experiment! (Presumably, this would not be a problem with speakers that > incorporate a protection circuit?) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 11 February 2002 08:55 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It > seems to me > that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that > was > amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could > be wrong > though. > > As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding > the > original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an > enclosure with a > crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. > > Jim Volpatti > > John Walker wrote: > > > Graham > > The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, > > and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it > > could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you do > > not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's > > gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have > > eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) > > and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. > > > > By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo > > source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This > > would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not > > entirely clear what your set up is. > > > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my > speakers .... > > > > Ron > > > > Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my > > second > > speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the > > little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The > > Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... > > and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to > > get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set > of > > bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I > > could > > simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the > > cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and > without > > the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts > > that will sound completely wrong! > > > > However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is > > working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble > > units? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > Graham, > > > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s > > for > > > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly > > cheaper > > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good > price > > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! > > So, > > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, > > and > > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them > > and > > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing > > they > > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of > decent > > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than > simply > > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a > tweeter, > > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's > > not > > > ... > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > FRED MOSS > > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > > .... > > > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > > Fred. > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Mon Feb 11 22:40:21 2002 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:40:21 EST Subject: [naktalk] Best receivers ever made Message-ID: <173.36b0564.29999445@aol.com> I noticed that there has been no mention of the old Fisher receivers. I currently use a 500B w/ great results. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Feb 11 23:46:21 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:46:21 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Message-ID: <01C1B34E.09802AA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I had an interesting experience a while back that raised my awareness of DC. I would be intrigued by feedback on this, especially from Mr Sank, with his extremely well attuned (and practiced) antenna for defects! I replaced my integrated amplifier with a pair of mono-blocks that I built from kits(Hi-Fi World 300B's). I borrowed a couple of attenuators from the lab at work to use as a basic 'passive pre-amp'. On testing the first one, it sounded truly horrible on the first CD in. Oh no, what have I done wrong? Or have I spent a grand on a bad design to start with? So, I tried a few other CDs and the odd LP, with varied results. I pressed on and built the second one. Same result as before, but much more conclusive: all LPs sounded fine, some CDs OK, others less good, some unlistenable. On a hunch, I borrowed a couple of lab filters and set these up as basic hi-pass filters to get rid of anything below 20 Hz or so. Problem solved. The problem turns out to be a DC offset that some CDs carry, and others don't. (The record company should normalise the digital signal so that the average value of all those digits is equivalent to 0V. Some do, some don't.) If you have a direct coupled input, like my valve amps, but a transformer between amp and speaker, you will hear a horribly distorted sound, but no damage to the speakers. Without the transformer, I think that you might cook your speaker voice-coils instead. By the way, the Hi-Fi world kits are now burnt-in, and I have even upgraded the signal capacitors to Jensen paper-in-oil or Black Gates, and I am really, really happy with the sound. It is genuinely satisfying to successfully build a kit, but tracking down that problem was the most satisfying bit of all! (Or was it completely obvious, Stephen?) John Walker Portland UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, 11 February, 2002 08:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It seems to me that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that was amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could be wrong though. As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding the original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an enclosure with a crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. Jim Volpatti John Walker wrote: > Graham > The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, > and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it > could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you do > not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's > gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have > eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) > and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. > > By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo > source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This > would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not > entirely clear what your set up is. > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > Ron > > Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my > second > speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the > little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The > Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's ... > and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to > get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set of > bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I > could > simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the > cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and without > the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts > that will sound completely wrong! > > However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is > working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble > units? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > .... > > Graham, > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s > for > > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly > cheaper > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good price > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! > So, > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I know, > and > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them > and > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing > they > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of decent > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than simply > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a tweeter, > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's > not > > ... > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > FRED MOSS > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > Fred. > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Feb 11 22:29:46 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:29:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... Message-ID: <3DC47CA6@mail.totalise.co.uk> You`ve obviously not heard Uno`s then!! Fred >===== Original Message From "erie patsellis" ===== >and to think, I could buy a set of AvantGarde uno's, take the wife on >a much needed vacation(to make me forget how much I spent(she wants em >more than me) and still have money left... > >erie > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jim Volpatti" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:03 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > >> By the way, the SCM 100A Pro retails for $14,100 US. It better hit 115 dB! >And take out >> the garbage and scrub the bathroom too!! = ^ ) >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 11 20:23:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:23:46 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> <3C679A94.182B4063@concentric.net> <3C680E1F.EB4783BC@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C681A42.FD5DFBAA@rcn.com> I had this done a long time ago. At the time, the price of replacing a VC with a custom made one was way below what the replacement speaker would have cost. Of course, this was in the good old days... I am not sure such a service is even available nowadays in Graham's neck of the woods. But it's worth a try to find out, no? -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > But at what price? To repair an old pair of Tandberg speakers from the 70s? Hardly seems > worth it, unless Graham was very, very fond of them. > > Jim Volpatti > > Adina wrote: > > > I agree that replacing original drivers with after market > > speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able > > locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of > > winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals > > (based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged > > speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the > > original specs and quality > > > > -- Ron > > > > . > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It seems to me > > > that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that was > > > amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could be wrong > > > though. > > > > > > As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding the > > > original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an enclosure with a > > > crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Feb 11 20:28:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:28:08 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 References: <001201c1b337$2f541fa0$d1b387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C681B48.98534271@rcn.com> I agree spam is worse than ever. Last Friday, I found 68 messages is my spam fiolder and 5 messages in my inbox, two of which should have ended up in the spam folder but managed to slip by the spam filter. Never seen a ratio of 3 valid messages vs. 71 spam messages before. The scumbags must be getting desparate. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Funny you should say that but I too have found more spam penetrating my In > Box, too. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > BJGRADY at aol.com > Sent: 11 February 2002 05:04 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Equity Alert...FREE TRIAL 1523866 > > Question: Have any of u noticed that now that business is starting to pick > up somewhat since 9/11, that there has been more spam sent? I seem to get > more than ever in my AOL box. I usually count around 15 or more a day. Just > curious. > > Cal John. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 01:32:52 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:32:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <3DC47CA6@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C6862B4.D66D0D6B@earthlink.net> I agree, Fred. They aren't my cup of tea either but to each their own, I guess. This hobby is very subjective. Jim Volpatti FRED MOSS wrote: > You`ve obviously not heard Uno`s then!! > Fred > > >===== Original Message From "erie patsellis" ===== > >and to think, I could buy a set of AvantGarde uno's, take the wife on > >a much needed vacation(to make me forget how much I spent(she wants em > >more than me) and still have money left... > > > >erie > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:03 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > > > >> By the way, the SCM 100A Pro retails for $14,100 US. It better hit 115 dB! > >And take out > >> the garbage and scrub the bathroom too!! = ^ ) > >> > >> Jim Volpatti > >> > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 01:42:29 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:42:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <01C1B2D1.FA3A0560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3C6786D1.E171D0C3@earthlink.net> <3C679A94.182B4063@concentric.net> <3C680E1F.EB4783BC@earthlink.net> <3C681A42.FD5DFBAA@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3C6864F5.2193E724@earthlink.net> Ron, Perhaps. If Graham has a good driver to use as a guide for repairing the damaged one. And only if he was happy with the sound of the speaker in the first place. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > I had this done a long time ago. At the time, the price of > replacing a VC with a custom made one was way below > what the replacement speaker would have cost. Of course, > this was in the good old days... I am not sure such a service > is even available nowadays in Graham's neck of the woods. > But it's worth a try to find out, no? > > -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > But at what price? To repair an old pair of Tandberg speakers from the 70s? Hardly seems > > worth it, unless Graham was very, very fond of them. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Adina wrote: > > > > > I agree that replacing original drivers with after market > > > speakers is not a good idea. However, you may be able > > > locate a speaker repair place where they are capable of > > > winding new voice coils to the same spec as the originals > > > (based on the coil form and wire size in the damaged > > > speakers). These have a high chance of duplicating the > > > original specs and quality > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > . > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It seems to me > > > > that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that was > > > > amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could be wrong > > > > though. > > > > > > > > As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time finding the > > > > original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an enclosure with a > > > > crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Feb 12 02:40:59 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:40:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI ZX-7 Message-ID: <000801c1b366$535d3ce0$4d011fac@brianm> This isn't a bad deal considering it has the remote as well. (You could sell the remote for almost the cost of the deck.) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1018648422&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 12 02:56:59 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:56:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... References: <01C1B34E.09802AA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <00e301c1b368$8fdd4be0$883442cf@sank1> It would not be an obvious problem to solve at all. The CD format is supposed to reject any DC signal information within the digital signal processor. Any CD player that would pass anything below about 2Hz is either incorrectly designed or defective. Quite good troubleshooting, John. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > I had an interesting experience a while back that raised my awareness of > DC. I would be intrigued by feedback on this, especially from Mr Sank, with > his extremely well attuned (and practiced) antenna for defects! > I replaced my integrated amplifier with a pair of mono-blocks that I built > from kits(Hi-Fi World 300B's). I borrowed a couple of attenuators from the > lab at work to use as a basic 'passive pre-amp'. > On testing the first one, it sounded truly horrible on the first CD in. Oh > no, what have I done wrong? Or have I spent a grand on a bad design to > start with? > So, I tried a few other CDs and the odd LP, with varied results. I pressed > on and built the second one. Same result as before, but much more > conclusive: all LPs sounded fine, some CDs OK, others less good, some > unlistenable. > On a hunch, I borrowed a couple of lab filters and set these up as basic > hi-pass filters to get rid of anything below 20 Hz or so. Problem solved. > The problem turns out to be a DC offset that some CDs carry, and others > don't. (The record company should normalise the digital signal so that the > average value of all those digits is equivalent to 0V. Some do, some > don't.) If you have a direct coupled input, like my valve amps, but a > transformer between amp and speaker, you will hear a horribly distorted > sound, but no damage to the speakers. Without the transformer, I think that > you might cook your speaker voice-coils instead. > By the way, the Hi-Fi world kits are now burnt-in, and I have even upgraded > the signal capacitors to Jensen paper-in-oil or Black Gates, and I am > really, really happy with the sound. It is genuinely satisfying to > successfully build a kit, but tracking down that problem was the most > satisfying bit of all! (Or was it completely obvious, Stephen?) > > John Walker > Portland UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, 11 February, 2002 08:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > I agree with trouble shooting the source of what caused the problem. It > seems to me > that changing inputs on the Trevor Lees created a surge (possibly DC) that > was > amplified by the amp and blew the tweeter and Lord knows what else. I could > be wrong > though. > > As far as repairing the Tandbergs, Graham will have a hell of a time > finding the > original replacement drivers and throwing after market drivers into an > enclosure with a > crossover that wasn't designed for them is risky at best. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > Graham > > The issue that you must solve before you spend any money is to find out, > > and eliminate the source of the damage. It could be the pre-amp, but it > > could equally have been whatever power amp(s) you had connected. If you > do > > not get someone to check the integrity of the amplification system, it's > > gonna happen again, and you will have wasted more money. Once you have > > eliminated that fault, then I would replace the drive units (on the Kefs) > > and the whole speakers in the case of the Tandbergs. > > > > By the way, are you driving all of these speakers from a single stereo > > source? If you are, you would do a lot better with a single pair. This > > would also help out your amplifiers - I don't know, because I am not > > entirely clear what your set up is. > > > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Sunday, 10 February, 2002 21:12 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my > speakers .... > > > > Ron > > > > Yes I have and have not dismissed the idea yet. The KEF speakers (my > > second > > speakers) should be easy enough to repair as KEF will probably have the > > little drivers in stock, or an equivalent, that I can wire up. The > > Tandberg's are a different matter - those speakers are from the 1970's > ... > > and the surviving one still sounds good! So, I'd probably not be able to > > get original parts. I was wondering, however, if I bought a matched set > of > > bass and mid range driver and tweeter, of the correct dimensions, if I > > could > > simply put them in ... except I dare say it isn't "simple" because of the > > cross over and the adjustment of that. Me, not being technical and > without > > the right equipment... I fear I might end up spending ?100-?300 on parts > > that will sound completely wrong! > > > > However, would I be right in assuming that, since the bass driver is > > working, the cross over is not goosed, that it must just be the treble > > units? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:54 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > .... > > > > Graham, > > > > Have you considered repairing or replacing your tweeters and/or > > xover? Will get you to exactly were you were before the mishap > > and bound to be a lot cheaper than a new set of speakers. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > Thanks Norman and Fred. I happen to know a guy who deals with ATC. > > > However, he's not got anything in stock except a pair of black PMC TB1s > > for > > > ?310 delivered. (Actually, I suspect they are TB!Ss, the slightly > > cheaper > > > pro' version with the coffee stain resistant covers! Seems a good > price > > > BUT ... he lives miles away and he's not offering me sale or return! > > So, > > > I can't hear before I buy! Not sensible to buy without hearing, I > know, > > and > > > the price on these speakers isn't so good that I could are to buy them > > and > > > sell on if I didn't like them, not without making a loss. I'm guessing > > they > > > are cheap anyway because it appears PMC have replaced it with the much > > > dearer TB2/TB2S. > > > > > > I'm thinking it might be more fun (except I'm no without a pair of > decent > > > speakers!) to try to repair the speakers, except I don't know what I'm > > > doing. I'm betting the whole thing is a lot more complicated than > simply > > > asking for two sets of matching bass and mid range drivers and a > tweeter, > > > and wiring them up to the existing cross-over ... someone tell me it's > > not > > > ... > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > > > FRED MOSS > > > Sent: 10 February 2002 02:09 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers > > > .... > > > > > > >ATC Scm 10 or 20`s > > > Fred. > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Feb 12 03:59:42 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:59:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage References: Message-ID: <3C688519.3C3AA460@snet.net> I had the MF phono stage for a while. I does a pretty good job on the cheap and certainly will outperform both the less expensive NAD and the Creek OBH pre's. I will add that the high current power supply can will give you considerably more quality than the regular "wall wart" supply. The cheapskate in me would want to get it for $125 or less which means that $150 is probably not a bad deal. Ed George Valkov wrote: > Pls bear with me guys, I hope to end my quest soon -:). Any comments on the > Musical Fidelity X-LPS Phono Stage ? Good, Bad, OK for 150 $ used ? > > Thanks, > George > > P.S. I'd also appreciate any feedback on the Trichord I think I mentioned in > an earlier msg . > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 04:43:29 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:43:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Problems with DC and direct coupled equipment References: <01C1B34E.09802AA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <00e301c1b368$8fdd4be0$883442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C688F61.23D9D307@earthlink.net> What is the best way to protect direct coupled equipment against DC? Most manufacturers do not use input transformers and the use of an input capacitor negates the benefits of direct coupling. I just had a very high power direct coupled solid state amp fry it's output section relays, the crossover and drivers a couple of months ago. I do not remember if the line stage (also direct coupled) was muted but the system wasn't playing music. The DC offset and bias still measure correctly so it seems that the source of the problem is not the amp. I continue to use the line stage and CD player with other direct coupled solid state amplifiers with no problems. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > It would not be an obvious problem to solve at all. The CD format is > supposed to reject any DC signal information within the digital signal > processor. Any CD player that would pass anything below about 2Hz is either > incorrectly designed or defective. Quite good troubleshooting, John. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:46 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > I had an interesting experience a while back that raised my awareness of > > DC. I would be intrigued by feedback on this, especially from Mr Sank, > with > > his extremely well attuned (and practiced) antenna for defects! > > I replaced my integrated amplifier with a pair of mono-blocks that I built > > from kits(Hi-Fi World 300B's). I borrowed a couple of attenuators from the > > lab at work to use as a basic 'passive pre-amp'. > > On testing the first one, it sounded truly horrible on the first CD in. Oh > > no, what have I done wrong? Or have I spent a grand on a bad design to > > start with? > > So, I tried a few other CDs and the odd LP, with varied results. I > pressed > > on and built the second one. Same result as before, but much more > > conclusive: all LPs sounded fine, some CDs OK, others less good, some > > unlistenable. > > On a hunch, I borrowed a couple of lab filters and set these up as basic > > hi-pass filters to get rid of anything below 20 Hz or so. Problem solved. > > The problem turns out to be a DC offset that some CDs carry, and others > > don't. (The record company should normalise the digital signal so that the > > average value of all those digits is equivalent to 0V. Some do, some > > don't.) If you have a direct coupled input, like my valve amps, but a > > transformer between amp and speaker, you will hear a horribly distorted > > sound, but no damage to the speakers. Without the transformer, I think > that > > you might cook your speaker voice-coils instead. > > By the way, the Hi-Fi world kits are now burnt-in, and I have even > upgraded > > the signal capacitors to Jensen paper-in-oil or Black Gates, and I am > > really, really happy with the sound. It is genuinely satisfying to > > successfully build a kit, but tracking down that problem was the most > > satisfying bit of all! (Or was it completely obvious, Stephen?) > > > > John Walker > > Portland UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 12 06:26:27 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:26:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Problems with DC and direct coupled equipment References: <01C1B34E.09802AA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <00e301c1b368$8fdd4be0$883442cf@sank1> <3C688F61.23D9D307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <013101c1b385$d2be6580$883442cf@sank1> Can you tell me a little more about the exact circumstances of the blowup? The best, non-transformer-coupling, way to protect against DC is to design non-signal-degrading protection into the amplifier. When I rebuild Moscode amps, I redesign the protection circuit(turn-on delay & DC offset sensing) so that rather than have high current relay contacts in series with the speaker output lines, I have a dual contact, low current, sealed relay on each channel which short the input gates of the output devices to ground to cut the output. Since this completely shuts down the bias, and the MOSFETs(as would be bipolars) pass absolutely no current in this state, the speakers are totally protected from DC offsets of more than 1volt. With such a protection scheme, there is absolutely no constriction/obstruction of the signal or current delivery pathways. Preamplifiers can be protected(mostly from harming amps & speakers) in a similar way, but more simply, can have the mute relays short the output lines to ground. I honestly don't know why high-end preamp makers don't incorporate such DC offset sensing mute circuits in their designs. It would certainly save them & all of us a whole bunch of headaches. While it may not save you in every situation, I just had the notion of building you a "high purity" pass-through DC protection box to add between preamp & amp. This would be a DC offset sensing circuit & ground-short muting relays in a small box with Cardas RCA jacks on one end & a hardwired, pure silver(or better) short(as short as practical) pair of cables on the other end, so that you could add DC protection to any system setup with the absolute minimum of impact on the sound(likely undetectable). What do you think of that idea? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Problems with DC and direct coupled equipment > What is the best way to protect direct coupled equipment against DC? Most manufacturers > do not use input transformers and the use of an input capacitor negates the benefits of > direct coupling. > > I just had a very high power direct coupled solid state amp fry it's output section > relays, the crossover and drivers a couple of months ago. I do not remember if the line > stage (also direct coupled) was muted but the system wasn't playing music. The DC > offset and bias still measure correctly so it seems that the source of the problem is > not the amp. I continue to use the line stage and CD player with other direct coupled > solid state amplifiers with no problems. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > It would not be an obvious problem to solve at all. The CD format is > > supposed to reject any DC signal information within the digital signal > > processor. Any CD player that would pass anything below about 2Hz is either > > incorrectly designed or defective. Quite good troubleshooting, John. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:46 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > > > I had an interesting experience a while back that raised my awareness of > > > DC. I would be intrigued by feedback on this, especially from Mr Sank, > > with > > > his extremely well attuned (and practiced) antenna for defects! > > > I replaced my integrated amplifier with a pair of mono-blocks that I built > > > from kits(Hi-Fi World 300B's). I borrowed a couple of attenuators from the > > > lab at work to use as a basic 'passive pre-amp'. > > > On testing the first one, it sounded truly horrible on the first CD in. Oh > > > no, what have I done wrong? Or have I spent a grand on a bad design to > > > start with? > > > So, I tried a few other CDs and the odd LP, with varied results. I > > pressed > > > on and built the second one. Same result as before, but much more > > > conclusive: all LPs sounded fine, some CDs OK, others less good, some > > > unlistenable. > > > On a hunch, I borrowed a couple of lab filters and set these up as basic > > > hi-pass filters to get rid of anything below 20 Hz or so. Problem solved. > > > The problem turns out to be a DC offset that some CDs carry, and others > > > don't. (The record company should normalise the digital signal so that the > > > average value of all those digits is equivalent to 0V. Some do, some > > > don't.) If you have a direct coupled input, like my valve amps, but a > > > transformer between amp and speaker, you will hear a horribly distorted > > > sound, but no damage to the speakers. Without the transformer, I think > > that > > > you might cook your speaker voice-coils instead. > > > By the way, the Hi-Fi world kits are now burnt-in, and I have even > > upgraded > > > the signal capacitors to Jensen paper-in-oil or Black Gates, and I am > > > really, really happy with the sound. It is genuinely satisfying to > > > successfully build a kit, but tracking down that problem was the most > > > satisfying bit of all! (Or was it completely obvious, Stephen?) > > > > > > John Walker > > > Portland UK > > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 06:30:37 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl Cobb) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:30:37 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage Message-ID: <20020212053038.27217.qmail@earthlink.net> I have been steered to some phono preamplifier by Audiomat; supposed to be very good but I'll bet it is not cheap. Carl -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 01:14:09 -0800 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Phono stage > It all depends on your room, your system and your tastes. I have no experience with > this particular piece. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > George Valkov wrote: > > > Pls bear with me guys, I hope to end my quest soon -:). Any comments on the > > Musical Fidelity X-LPS Phono Stage ? Good, Bad, OK for 150 $ used ? > > > > Thanks, > > George > > > > P.S. I'd also appreciate any feedback on the Trichord I think I mentioned in > > an earlier msg . > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Feb 12 06:50:50 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:50:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #1928 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello... On Sun, 10 Feb 2002, Taiyo Lipscomb wrote: > http://support.naks.com/support > was very helpful in that it supplied me with a service manual but not > Owner's Manual for the RX-202. Anyone know where such a manual is > available? I did try Norman van Wijnen's site but there were no 202's > there ... still looking for suggestions? I was able to order a manual for my Nak 600 by calling Nakamichi. You can find their contact information by going to www.nakamichi.com and selecting the "contact" link. If you're in the USA, then the number to call is 310-631-2122. They sent a good-quality photocopy (possibly a printout) to me for free. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at world.std.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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No MP3, of course, but who needs it ? -:) Thanks George _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 12 10:02:28 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:02:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade References: Message-ID: <002201c1b3a3$ffb3d020$0d3442cf@sank1> What they don't say is that the results will vary massively, depending on the type of DACs used. I believe your Philips is a 1-bit Bitstream DAC model. You can expect such a clock mod to considerably improve the bass & transient attack. Basically, your player will have more balls. On a cd player with multi-bit DAC chips, the clock is far less important, and the results will be anywhere from small to non-existent. I believe that LC Audio makes as good a clock mod for a lot less money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > While slobbering over Trichord's phono amps I came across their Clock 3 CD > upgrade - the link is > > http://www.trichordresearch.com/clock.html > > Since most of the techtalk explanation on the page is beyond my > understanding, can anyone tell me in layman's terms whether this thing would > make a difference and would the difference be worth the cost ? I have a > Philips CD-850 MkII, one of the last good ones and I have no complaints > whatsoever - plays beautifully and plays everything, incl. CDRW. No MP3, of > course, but who needs it ? -:) > > Thanks > George > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Feb 12 10:25:51 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:25:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C0AC@CPT-01> That is very interesting because i am in the process of doing exactly the same with my Rotel Cd player (although i'm not going with trichord - i have a technician that i know doing it for me with his own clock (not sure of the make) and power supply). i am interested in the measurement of accuracy as i had no idea what clocks were capable of so i will check the accuracy of the one he is putting in. also interesting that he also has encouraged me to go for seperate power supply. i would be interested in what people think are the best routes to go when doing upgrades on CD players. this was the route recommended for me. -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [mailto:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: 12 February 2002 10:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade While slobbering over Trichord's phono amps I came across their Clock 3 CD upgrade - the link is http://www.trichordresearch.com/clock.html Since most of the techtalk explanation on the page is beyond my understanding, can anyone tell me in layman's terms whether this thing would make a difference and would the difference be worth the cost ? I have a Philips CD-850 MkII, one of the last good ones and I have no complaints whatsoever - plays beautifully and plays everything, incl. CDRW. No MP3, of course, but who needs it ? -:) Thanks George _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Feb 12 10:37:16 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:37:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C0AD@CPT-01> I will have to check on my CD player (Rotel 975) re the DAC but the upgrade i have been offerred is about $90. Neal -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 12 February 2002 11:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade What they don't say is that the results will vary massively, depending on the type of DACs used. I believe your Philips is a 1-bit Bitstream DAC model. You can expect such a clock mod to considerably improve the bass & transient attack. Basically, your player will have more balls. On a cd player with multi-bit DAC chips, the clock is far less important, and the results will be anywhere from small to non-existent. I believe that LC Audio makes as good a clock mod for a lot less money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > While slobbering over Trichord's phono amps I came across their Clock 3 CD > upgrade - the link is > > http://www.trichordresearch.com/clock.html > > Since most of the techtalk explanation on the page is beyond my > understanding, can anyone tell me in layman's terms whether this thing would > make a difference and would the difference be worth the cost ? I have a > Philips CD-850 MkII, one of the last good ones and I have no complaints > whatsoever - plays beautifully and plays everything, incl. CDRW. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 11:20:19 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:20:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Message-ID: Thus spoke the man who never sleeps -:). Thanks, Stephen - and you're right, it's a Bitstream. Is there a website for LC Audio, so I can poke around a bit on my own, before coming up with my next dumb question ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:02:28 -0700 What they don't say is that the results will vary massively, depending on the type of DACs used. I believe your Philips is a 1-bit Bitstream DAC model. You can expect such a clock mod to considerably improve the bass & transient attack. Basically, your player will have more balls. On a cd player with multi-bit DAC chips, the clock is far less important, and the results will be anywhere from small to non-existent. I believe that LC Audio makes as good a clock mod for a lot less money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 11:23:42 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:23:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Message-ID: One more out to Stephen - how do you think my Philips (1-bit Burr-Brown Bitstream DAC) would sound with the Museatex DAC you use ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Neal Walker Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:37:16 +0200 I will have to check on my CD player (Rotel 975) re the DAC but the upgrade i have been offerred is about $90. Neal -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 12 February 2002 11:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade What they don't say is that the results will vary massively, depending on the type of DACs used. I believe your Philips is a 1-bit Bitstream DAC model. You can expect such a clock mod to considerably improve the bass & transient attack. Basically, your player will have more balls. On a cd player with multi-bit DAC chips, the clock is far less important, and the results will be anywhere from small to non-existent. I believe that LC Audio makes as good a clock mod for a lot less money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 12 11:07:21 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:07:21 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Problems with DC and direct coupled equipment References: <01C1B34E.09802AA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <00e301c1b368$8fdd4be0$883442cf@sank1> <3C688F61.23D9D307@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C68E958.3401A9B9@rcn.com> Jim Volpatti wrote: > What is the best way to protect direct coupled equipment against DC? Most manufacturers > do not use input transformers and the use of an input capacitor negates the benefits of > direct coupling. Direct coupling means, by definition, that DC will pass. Assuming the signal itself does not ride on DC, any DC at the output must be due to the circuitry. In balanced circuits (for example, op amps) it is possible to tweak the balance to practically eliminate DC at the output. > > I just had a very high power direct coupled solid state amp fry it's output section > relays, the crossover and drivers a couple of months ago. I do not remember if the line > stage (also direct coupled) was muted but the system wasn't playing music. The DC > offset and bias still measure correctly so it seems that the source of the problem is > not the amp. I continue to use the line stage and CD player with other direct coupled > solid state amplifiers with no problems. Again, if the circuit is direct coupled it *will* pass DC. So, any fault that introduced DC at the input will fry the speaker and, possibly, the output stage. The best protection is afforded by a circuit that shuts the amp down when DC is sensed at the output for more than about 1/2 Sec. Such a circuit is easy to implement and (unlike fuses or current limiting circuits) has no effect on sound quality. -- Ron > > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > It would not be an obvious problem to solve at all. The CD format is > > supposed to reject any DC signal information within the digital signal > > processor. Any CD player that would pass anything below about 2Hz is either > > incorrectly designed or defective. Quite good troubleshooting, John. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:46 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > > > I had an interesting experience a while back that raised my awareness of > > > DC. I would be intrigued by feedback on this, especially from Mr Sank, > > with > > > his extremely well attuned (and practiced) antenna for defects! > > > I replaced my integrated amplifier with a pair of mono-blocks that I built > > > from kits(Hi-Fi World 300B's). I borrowed a couple of attenuators from the > > > lab at work to use as a basic 'passive pre-amp'. > > > On testing the first one, it sounded truly horrible on the first CD in. Oh > > > no, what have I done wrong? Or have I spent a grand on a bad design to > > > start with? > > > So, I tried a few other CDs and the odd LP, with varied results. I > > pressed > > > on and built the second one. Same result as before, but much more > > > conclusive: all LPs sounded fine, some CDs OK, others less good, some > > > unlistenable. > > > On a hunch, I borrowed a couple of lab filters and set these up as basic > > > hi-pass filters to get rid of anything below 20 Hz or so. Problem solved. > > > The problem turns out to be a DC offset that some CDs carry, and others > > > don't. (The record company should normalise the digital signal so that the > > > average value of all those digits is equivalent to 0V. Some do, some > > > don't.) If you have a direct coupled input, like my valve amps, but a > > > transformer between amp and speaker, you will hear a horribly distorted > > > sound, but no damage to the speakers. Without the transformer, I think > > that > > > you might cook your speaker voice-coils instead. > > > By the way, the Hi-Fi world kits are now burnt-in, and I have even > > upgraded > > > the signal capacitors to Jensen paper-in-oil or Black Gates, and I am > > > really, really happy with the sound. It is genuinely satisfying to > > > successfully build a kit, but tracking down that problem was the most > > > satisfying bit of all! (Or was it completely obvious, Stephen?) > > > > > > John Walker > > > Portland UK > > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Even on salesman accomadation, they're a bit much, when my 700II still sits on the shelf waiting for me to rebuild the PS and get it working again. erie ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > You`ve obviously not heard Uno`s then!! > Fred > > >===== Original Message From "erie patsellis" ===== > >and to think, I could buy a set of AvantGarde uno's, take the wife on > >a much needed vacation(to make me forget how much I spent(she wants em > >more than me) and still have money left... > > > >erie > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jim Volpatti" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:03 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > > > >> By the way, the SCM 100A Pro retails for $14,100 US. It better hit 115 dB! > >And take out > >> the garbage and scrub the bathroom too!! = ^ ) > >> > >> Jim Volpatti > >> > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 12 17:44:07 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:44:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade References: Message-ID: <00b101c1b3e4$7de109a0$0d3442cf@sank1> Your CD-850II would do quite well as a transport for a Museatex dac, which would be a drastic improvement over the internal dac section. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > One more out to Stephen - how do you think my Philips (1-bit Burr-Brown > Bitstream DAC) would sound with the Museatex DAC you use ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Neal Walker > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:37:16 +0200 > > I will have to check on my CD player (Rotel 975) re the DAC but the upgrade > i have been offerred is about $90. > > Neal > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: 12 February 2002 11:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > > > What they don't say is that the results will vary massively, depending on > the type of DACs used. I believe your Philips is a 1-bit Bitstream DAC > model. You can expect such a clock mod to considerably improve the bass & > transient attack. Basically, your player will have more balls. On a cd > player with multi-bit DAC chips, the clock is far less important, and the > results will be anywhere from small to non-existent. I believe that LC > Audio makes as good a clock mod for a lot less money. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue Feb 12 17:42:01 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:42:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Problems with DC and direct coupled equipment References: <01C1B34E.09802AA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <00e301c1b368$8fdd4be0$883442cf@sank1> <3C688F61.23D9D307@earthlink.net> <3C68E958.3401A9B9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3C6945D8.4E6D7AE5@earthlink.net> Thanks, Ron. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > What is the best way to protect direct coupled equipment against DC? Most manufacturers > > do not use input transformers and the use of an input capacitor negates the benefits of > > direct coupling. > > Direct coupling means, by definition, that DC will pass. > > Assuming the signal itself does not ride on DC, any DC > at the output must be due to the circuitry. In balanced > circuits (for example, op amps) it is possible to tweak > the balance to practically eliminate DC at the output. > > > > > I just had a very high power direct coupled solid state amp fry it's output section > > relays, the crossover and drivers a couple of months ago. I do not remember if the line > > stage (also direct coupled) was muted but the system wasn't playing music. The DC > > offset and bias still measure correctly so it seems that the source of the problem is > > not the amp. I continue to use the line stage and CD player with other direct coupled > > solid state amplifiers with no problems. > > Again, if the circuit is direct coupled it *will* pass DC. So, > any fault that introduced DC at the input will fry the speaker > and, possibly, the output stage. > > The best protection is afforded by a circuit that shuts the > amp down when DC is sensed at the output for more than > about 1/2 Sec. Such a circuit is easy to implement and > (unlike fuses or current limiting circuits) has no effect on > sound quality. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > It would not be an obvious problem to solve at all. The CD format is > > > supposed to reject any DC signal information within the digital signal > > > processor. Any CD player that would pass anything below about 2Hz is either > > > incorrectly designed or defective. Quite good troubleshooting, John. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 3:46 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Don't laugh but I just goosed my speakers .... > > > > > > > I had an interesting experience a while back that raised my awareness of > > > > DC. I would be intrigued by feedback on this, especially from Mr Sank, > > > with > > > > his extremely well attuned (and practiced) antenna for defects! > > > > I replaced my integrated amplifier with a pair of mono-blocks that I built > > > > from kits(Hi-Fi World 300B's). I borrowed a couple of attenuators from the > > > > lab at work to use as a basic 'passive pre-amp'. > > > > On testing the first one, it sounded truly horrible on the first CD in. Oh > > > > no, what have I done wrong? Or have I spent a grand on a bad design to > > > > start with? > > > > So, I tried a few other CDs and the odd LP, with varied results. I > > > pressed > > > > on and built the second one. Same result as before, but much more > > > > conclusive: all LPs sounded fine, some CDs OK, others less good, some > > > > unlistenable. > > > > On a hunch, I borrowed a couple of lab filters and set these up as basic > > > > hi-pass filters to get rid of anything below 20 Hz or so. Problem solved. > > > > The problem turns out to be a DC offset that some CDs carry, and others > > > > don't. (The record company should normalise the digital signal so that the > > > > average value of all those digits is equivalent to 0V. Some do, some > > > > don't.) If you have a direct coupled input, like my valve amps, but a > > > > transformer between amp and speaker, you will hear a horribly distorted > > > > sound, but no damage to the speakers. Without the transformer, I think > > > that > > > > you might cook your speaker voice-coils instead. > > > > By the way, the Hi-Fi world kits are now burnt-in, and I have even > > > upgraded > > > > the signal capacitors to Jensen paper-in-oil or Black Gates, and I am > > > > really, really happy with the sound. It is genuinely satisfying to > > > > successfully build a kit, but tracking down that problem was the most > > > > satisfying bit of all! (Or was it completely obvious, Stephen?) > > > > > > > > John Walker > > > > Portland UK > > > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 21:32:49 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:32:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Message-ID: Thanks, Salim. I've almost decided to go ahead, given that the XO2 has been offered to me for 140$ incl. installation, PSU, if necesary, will be an extra 30$. Now comes the big question - what is my unit's clock frequency ? How can I find out without disassembling the whole thing ? Any advice would be most welcome. Couple of pointers - Burr-Brown 1-bit Bitstream DAC, located on the bottom (ugh!) side of the main board - I don't know which version exactly and i definitely don't want to open up the player from the bottom plate. A technician told me that this DAC does not have a separate quartz oscillator but utilises a "signal processor - integrated crystal oscillator" (wow! copy->paste from the lcaudio page, otherwise could not reproduce it -:). Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anything starting with SAA on the top side of the board. Help, anyone ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Salim Marzuki Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:28:08 +0700 George, try http://www.lcaudio.com/ - quite a bit of good read too. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Valkov To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Thus spoke the man who never sleeps -:). Thanks, Stephen - and you're right, it's a Bitstream. Is there a website for LC Audio, so I can poke around a bit on my own, before coming up with my next dumb question ? George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Tue Feb 12 22:03:04 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:03:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C693CB8.4729.8AFDA5@localhost> George- I can't really help you, but I felt the need to toss an aside into the mix - Burr-Brown was a great analog company, and I hate to see them go. I believe TI has acquired them now, and I don't know what TI's plans are. Tim On 12 Feb 2002 at 22:32, George Valkov wrote: From: "George Valkov" To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade Date sent: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:32:49 +0200 Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > Thanks, Salim. I've almost decided to go ahead, given that the XO2 has been > offered to me for 140$ incl. installation, PSU, if necesary, will be an > extra 30$. Now comes the big question - what is my unit's clock frequency ? > How can I find out without disassembling the whole thing ? Any advice would > be most welcome. Couple of pointers - Burr-Brown 1-bit Bitstream DAC, > located on the bottom (ugh!) side of the main board - I don't know which > version exactly and i definitely don't want to open up the player from the > bottom plate. A technician told me that this DAC does not have a separate > quartz oscillator but utilises a "signal processor - integrated crystal > oscillator" (wow! copy->paste from the lcaudio page, otherwise could not > reproduce it -:). Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anything starting with > SAA on the top side of the board. Help, anyone ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Salim Marzuki > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:28:08 +0700 > > George, try http://www.lcaudio.com/ - quite a bit of good read too. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Valkov > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > > > Thus spoke the man who never sleeps -:). Thanks, Stephen - and you're > right, > it's a Bitstream. Is there a website for LC Audio, so I can poke around a > bit on my own, before coming up with my next dumb question ? > > George > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Feb 13 00:33:39 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:33:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade References: Message-ID: <00fc01c1b41d$b3f95e00$0d3442cf@sank1> Generally, DAC chips do not have any direct crystal oscillator connection, but rather take the clock signal fed from the signal processor(DSP) chip, which is what I am sure LC Audio was trying to convey. The DSP chip virtually always has the clock oscillator built in, but with the timebase quartz crystal external to it. Usually, you need only look for the frequency marking on the crystal nearest to the DSP & DAC circuits(i.e., not near the control logic circuitry). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > Thanks, Salim. I've almost decided to go ahead, given that the XO2 has been > offered to me for 140$ incl. installation, PSU, if necesary, will be an > extra 30$. Now comes the big question - what is my unit's clock frequency ? > How can I find out without disassembling the whole thing ? Any advice would > be most welcome. Couple of pointers - Burr-Brown 1-bit Bitstream DAC, > located on the bottom (ugh!) side of the main board - I don't know which > version exactly and i definitely don't want to open up the player from the > bottom plate. A technician told me that this DAC does not have a separate > quartz oscillator but utilises a "signal processor - integrated crystal > oscillator" (wow! copy->paste from the lcaudio page, otherwise could not > reproduce it -:). Unfortunately, I can't seem to find anything starting with > SAA on the top side of the board. Help, anyone ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Salim Marzuki > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:28:08 +0700 > > George, try http://www.lcaudio.com/ - quite a bit of good read too. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Valkov > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 5:20 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : CD Player upgrade > > > Thus spoke the man who never sleeps -:). Thanks, Stephen - and you're > right, > it's a Bitstream. Is there a website for LC Audio, so I can poke around a > bit on my own, before coming up with my next dumb question ? > > George > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Feb 13 21:48:43 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:48:43 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Thank you once again for your help. The CD94 is now reading CD-Rs perfectly. However, I do wonder, if the laser should ever bite the dust, is a replacement available in this day and age? If it is still available, wouldn't it be prudent to get one as a spare in case it becomes extinct in future? What is the Phillips part number/source that I would need for one? Oh, is the laser the same as that used in the CDM2 mechanism? Are there a lot of differences between the CDM 1 and CDM 2 mechanisms? Also, tried out your suggestion for the TD-700 by cleaning out all the brown glue, but still doesn't work. Any further ideas? Thanks in anticipation of your answers! Kelvin. >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:01:51 -0700 > >Yes, it's safe to try adjusting the trimpot near the laser on the CDM-1 to >get CD-R playback. Just be sure to note exactly where the pot is at to >start with, then adjust in about 1mm increments in either direction until >you get CD-R playback. I am not entirely sure this is acheivable on the >CDM-1, but I think it should be. Make sure the deck will still play CD's >properly after you're done, though. CDM's are pretty intolerant of both >too >low & too high laser power. > > > >First, remove every last little bit of the nasty brown glue use to hold > > >things in place on top & bottom sides of the main board. Second, >carefully > > >inspect the main board for vaporised circuit traces. Car audio >grounding > > >problems often cause bits of circuit foils to act like fuses. If >these > > >two things don't get it working, let me know. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 14 04:09:08 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:09:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 References: Message-ID: <01f701c1b504$fa4977e0$0d3442cf@sank1> The CDM-1 & 2 lasers are totally different hardware configurations of similar lasers, so no compatibility at all. But, as I have said before, I have yet to see a failure on either one of these, so I really wouldn't worry too much about replacement. Did you do a really thorough search for missing bits of circuit trace foils on the TD700 board? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 > > Hi Stephen, > > Thank you once again for your help. The CD94 is now reading CD-Rs perfectly. > However, I do wonder, if the laser should ever bite the dust, is a > replacement available in this day and age? If it is still available, > wouldn't it be prudent to get one as a spare in case it becomes extinct in > future? What is the Phillips part number/source that I would need for one? > Oh, is the laser the same as that used in the CDM2 mechanism? Are there a > lot of differences between the CDM 1 and CDM 2 mechanisms? > > Also, tried out your suggestion for the TD-700 by cleaning out all the brown > glue, but still doesn't work. Any further ideas? Thanks in anticipation of > your answers! > > Kelvin. > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TD-700 and Phillips CDM 1 > >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:01:51 -0700 > > > >Yes, it's safe to try adjusting the trimpot near the laser on the CDM-1 to > >get CD-R playback. Just be sure to note exactly where the pot is at to > >start with, then adjust in about 1mm increments in either direction until > >you get CD-R playback. I am not entirely sure this is acheivable on the > >CDM-1, but I think it should be. Make sure the deck will still play CD's > >properly after you're done, though. CDM's are pretty intolerant of both > >too > >low & too high laser power. > > > > > > > > >First, remove every last little bit of the nasty brown glue use to hold > > > >things in place on top & bottom sides of the main board. Second, > >carefully > > > >inspect the main board for vaporised circuit traces. Car audio > >grounding > > > >problems often cause bits of circuit foils to act like fuses. If > >these > > > >two things don't get it working, let me know. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Feb 14 05:14:16 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:14:16 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - An interesting discussion re: DVD-A vs. SACD Message-ID: <156.8e6eae4.299c9398@aol.com> For those of you interested, enjoy! http://www.techtv.com/products/consumerelectronics/story/0,23008,3371799,00.ht ml -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Feb 14 05:22:46 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:22:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Message-ID: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> Hi guys!!! I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of course why... Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Thu Feb 14 06:06:27 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:06:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 In-Reply-To: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214000520.01fa0350@mail.verizon.net> Tandberg 3014 - but not any of the earlier models. Discreet heads. ________________ Marc Stager At 2/13/02, you wrote: >Hi guys!!! >I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose >between the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you >buy.....and of course why... > >Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 14 09:05:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:05:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <021001c1b52e$6dbcd720$0d3442cf@sank1> I would have to give the nod, just barely, to the B215. The 3014/3014A has more intrinsic durability problems by a fair margin, can be seriously problematic to get parts for, and is belt drive. The B215 has better electronics design, direct drive(albeit rather primitive) quartz-lock capstan motors, auto-calibration & is far less easily damaged in shipping. It would be nice if it had discrete heads, but, otherwise, head quality between the two is about equal(and not as good as Nak). Although both decks have inferior very long term durability than a real-Nak-transport Nak, the B215 will certainly outlive a 3014 by 50 to 100 percent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: "Naktalk mailinglist" Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Hi guys!!! I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of course why... Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of course why... Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 14 15:56:31 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:56:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> <002801c1b556$df1eb0f0$2b756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <002201c1b567$ca936200$72289bca@smarzuki> Hi John, Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't look impressive compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not everything, but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A few months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice but still no ReVox B77. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betali at earthlink.net Thu Feb 14 15:52:38 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:52:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> <021001c1b52e$6dbcd720$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004201c1b567$3f8934a0$c1bb9a40@0022406904> I have a more subjective question, how is the sound quality among the Dragon, 3014/3014A and the B215? How would you guys rate these three machines in terms of sound quality, user friendliness, and useability? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > I would have to give the nod, just barely, to the B215. The 3014/3014A has > more intrinsic durability problems by a fair margin, can be seriously > problematic to get parts for, and is belt drive. The B215 has better > electronics design, direct drive(albeit rather primitive) quartz-lock > capstan motors, auto-calibration & is far less easily damaged in shipping. > It would be nice if it had discrete heads, but, otherwise, head quality > between the two is about equal(and not as good as Nak). Although both decks > have inferior very long term durability than a real-Nak-transport Nak, the > B215 will certainly outlive a 3014 by 50 to 100 percent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > Hi guys!!! > I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between > the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of > course why... > > Isy > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 11:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - An interesting discussion re: DVD-A vs. SACD > For those of you interested, enjoy! > > http://www.techtv.com/products/consumerelectronics/story/0,23008,3371799,00. ht > > ml > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Feb 14 17:02:21 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:02:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214103324.01fa3150@mail.verizon.net> I'm very familiar with that review. I uploaded it. You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with those reel decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the ZX-7 "equals or surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited material from FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which can record at zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head machine - and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head machines ever built - and used standard IEC EQ. There's one exception - and I speak from experience having both a a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. Why? It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On Sony Metal-ES it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 IPS RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA - you name it. And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half track - but you still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio of 15 IPS at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. ________________ Marc Stager ============================================================== At 2/14/02, you wrote: > >Hi John, > >Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also >better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read the >ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either >equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for certain >recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' chart of >TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't look impressive >compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not everything, >but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. > >Cheers, >Salim SM > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John M. Tooley >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > >I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best Cassette >Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a >really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A few months ago >I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice but still no >ReVox B77. > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: Isy Fidelman >To: Naktalk mailinglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Feb 14 17:33:04 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 23:33:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214103324.01fa3150@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000e01c1b575$59bc5380$50289bca@smarzuki> Well, Marc, i don't think it's really out of context, as AHC explicitly stated that within (metal) cassette's dynamic range / bandwith, Nak 'subjectively' outperform both open reel decks at 15 ips - not only on FM broadcasts, but also from records and other tapes. So it's analogous to saying that within LP's dyn. range, LP sounds subjectively better than CD, don't you think ? But the one that intrigues me is stereo review's FR of Tandberg TD 20A-SE at 7 1/2 ips at 0 dB ... dragon's is really close on metal tape, and on type II is even better than td20's 3 3/4 ips. Down on -20dB dragon's FR is ruler flat compared to td20, although -20db is quite meaningless. And of course the headroom at 6db above solely belong to open reel. Speaking of double speed, anybody ever "converted" 680zx's 15/16 ips to double speed ? would be interesting ... Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I'm very familiar with that review. I uploaded it. You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with those reel decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the ZX-7 "equals or surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited material from FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which can record at zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head machine - and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head machines ever built - and used standard IEC EQ. There's one exception - and I speak from experience having both a a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. Why? It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On Sony Metal-ES it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 IPS RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA - you name it. And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half track - but you still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio of 15 IPS at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. ________________ Marc Stager ============================================================== At 2/14/02, you wrote: Hi John, Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' chart of -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Feb 14 17:33:16 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:33:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I'll look up a few viable available alternatives to an Archiv(crazy money) tonight. Ekos is quite high mass if I'm not mistaken, but I'll check that too. Warren, any suggestions? Cheers, Marc >>> suedbahntom at gmx.net 02/14/02 11:21AM >>> hi naktalkers, question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. best regards, Thomas. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 16:33 To: suedbahntom at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative Hi Thomas, I'll look up a few viable available alternatives to an Archiv(crazy money) tonight. Ekos is quite high mass if I'm not mistaken, but I'll check that too. Warren, any suggestions? Cheers, Marc >>> suedbahntom at gmx.net 02/14/02 11:21AM >>> hi naktalkers, question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. best regards, Thomas. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I uploaded it. You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with those reel decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the ZX-7 "equals or surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited material from FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which can record at zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head machine - and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head machines ever built - and used standard IEC EQ. There's one exception - and I speak from experience having both a a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. Why? It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On Sony Metal-ES it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 IPS RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA - you name it. And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half track - but you still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio of 15 IPS at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. ________________ Marc Stager ============================================================== At 2/14/02, you wrote: Hi John, Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't look impressive compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not everything, but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A few months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice but still no ReVox B77. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Feb 14 18:30:40 2002 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 12:30:40 EST Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative Message-ID: <140.97fd878.299d4e40@aol.com> Agreed on the Lyra. I recently purchased a Lyra Helikon around 9 months ago. The best cartridge I have ever heard. And this replaced a Benz Reference. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Feb 14 18:30:26 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:30:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] TASCAM Decks References: <156.8e6eae4.299c9398@aol.com> Message-ID: <002501c1b57d$4a9ce420$64fbb440@pii366custom> Here is a basic pricelist of current TASCAM decks. 122 comes up on top (pricewise) by a bundle. http://www.american-digital.com/prodsite/category.asp?c=109 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu Feb 14 19:00:59 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:00:59 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <01C1B579.D13890A0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <12577.1013709659@www15.gmx.net> >is it a mm or mc and how expensive? mfg Thomas. I used to use a Lyra Lydian in a Linn (Ittok, not Ekos) with good > results. > Still have the Lyra, got rid of the Linn! > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 16:33 > To: suedbahntom at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > > Hi Thomas, > > I'll look up a few viable available alternatives to an Archiv(crazy money) > > tonight. Ekos is quite high mass if I'm not mistaken, but I'll check that > > too. > > Warren, any suggestions? > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> suedbahntom at gmx.net 02/14/02 11:21AM >>> > hi naktalkers, > question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. > momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. > which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. > best regards, Thomas. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Feb 14 20:22:54 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (CopyTech Corporation) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:22:54 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> <021001c1b52e$6dbcd720$0d3442cf@sank1> <004201c1b567$3f8934a0$c1bb9a40@0022406904> Message-ID: <3C6C0E8E.000010.55441@mycomputer.coqui.net> Well guys, I have on my possesion that fantastic trio of the mid 80's, when Stereo Review said that the Dragon, 3014 A and the B 215 were clearly the best decks ever made up to that date etc ... Again, as I have said many times, It all depends of many things: 1- I have always prefered a european option for recording instead of a Jap simply because the europe's counterpart always sound more flat and natural than the "japoneses", comprende ? 2- The B 215 and 3014 A sound is almost identical but the kid from Norway has that azymuth fine tuning knob and you always obtains more extended highs than with the Swiss jewel. 3- The Viking has the fastest winding speed in the industry, while the William Tell version has the most gentle and precise mechanism even though Mr. Sank believe is an over kill design, I have 2 , one from 1984 and the other from 1987. 18 years and running and all the parts are always available 4- For recorded tapes on second decks, the Dragon is simply the best, especially if you need over time music playing with her fantastic auto reverse capability. 5- Which one I prefered ? To be honest, none of the above just if I could have my 1000 ZXL running 100%. That machine is simply amazing and let me tell you what: a nice Sanktified 700 ZXL is simply another different experience. You guys, has to experienced a dubbing between a 700 ZXL and her big sister 1000 ZXL. Just remembering that makes myself happy... just happy. The 1000 was "speaking" while the 700 was "hearing". At the end, who cares ??!! My most valuable tapes were recorded in the 70's using a Technics RS M-63 deck that I still have and guess what ? She still going ! Carlos The Tape Man -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 14, 2002 02:05:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I have a more subjective question, how is the sound quality among the Dragon, 3014/3014A and the B215? How would you guys rate these three machines in terms of sound quality, user friendliness, and useability? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > I would have to give the nod, just barely, to the B215. The 3014/3014A has > more intrinsic durability problems by a fair margin, can be seriously > problematic to get parts for, and is belt drive. The B215 has better > electronics design, direct drive(albeit rather primitive) quartz-lock > capstan motors, auto-calibration & is far less easily damaged in shipping. > It would be nice if it had discrete heads, but, otherwise, head quality > between the two is about equal(and not as good as Nak). Although both decks > have inferior very long term durability than a real-Nak-transport Nak, the > B215 will certainly outlive a 3014 by 50 to 100 percent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > Hi guys!!! > I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between > the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of > course why... > > Isy > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 14 19:25:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:25:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214000520.01fa0350@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001c1b584$f5d3e620$17bf87d9@a4s1s2> And would anyone STILL buy a Tandberg?! (I forget how much they cost now but I'd guess it must be at least $3k-$4k??) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 14 February 2002 05:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Tandberg 3014 - but not any of the earlier models. Discreet heads. ________________ Marc Stager At 2/13/02, you wrote: Hi guys!!! I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of course why... Isy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Thu Feb 14 19:45:22 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:45:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 In-Reply-To: <002201c1b579$9e1d11a0$5900a8c0@john> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214103324.01fa3150@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214133527.01fc12f0@mail.verizon.net> Yes, but I don't think the new version offers 3 3/4 IPS . Some reviews at http://www.audioreview.com/PRD_121187_1595crx.aspx And some comparisond with the Nak Dragon and Tascams, Tandbergs. You sometimes find used 122's on eBay but they are sometimes pretty beaten up from pro use. ________________ Marc Stager At 2/14/02, you wrote: >Is the Tascam u are refering to the machine that is still being manufactured? > I see that Broadcast Supply Warehouse still sells the Tascam 122mkIII for >around $1000. The catalog says this deck is still widely used and very popular >in many studios. I would love to give that deck a try. > >Cal John. > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager >Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:02 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 >I'm very familiar with that review. I uploaded it. > >You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with those reel >decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the ZX-7 "equals or >surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited material from >FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which can record at >zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. > >I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head machine - >and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head machines ever >built - and used standard IEC EQ. > >There's one exception - and I speak from experience having both a >a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. Why? >It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On Sony Metal-ES >it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 IPS >RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA >- you name it. > >And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half track - but you >still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio of 15 IPS >at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. > >________________ Marc Stager > >============================================================== > >At 2/14/02, you wrote: >>Hi John, >> >>Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also >>better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read >>the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX >>either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for >>certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' >>chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't look >>impressive compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not >>everything, but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. >> >>Cheers, >>Salim SM >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: John M. Tooley >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 >> >>I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best >>Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony >>TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A >>few months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice >>but still no ReVox B77. >> >>John >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Isy Fidelman >>To: Naktalk mailinglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 14 19:32:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:32:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 In-Reply-To: <002201c1b567$ca936200$72289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001c01c1b585$f13143a0$17bf87d9@a4s1s2> Salim I recall seeing a brochure on the ZX7 whereon it claimed to be the equal of a R2R deck, which I took at the time to be a bit of "marketing-speak". However, I have been damned impressed with my ZX-9! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 14 February 2002 02:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Hi John, Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't look impressive compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not everything, but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A few months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice but still no ReVox B77. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Feb 14 19:40:09 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:40:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Level? Message-ID: Hello. Any comments on recording level. I seem to remember from the dim and distant past that "peaking" at +3db was the way to go and I've always done this with my Cassette Deck 1 with fine results, but now I've joined this group it's time to ask again. Also, advice on the use of dolby B/C and the MPX filter would be appreciated. Thanks KenB ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Feb 14 20:30:02 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:30:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Level? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020214141015.01fb8080@mail.verizon.net> Depends on content, type of cassette and type of meter. For type 1 and 2 tapes: Music with significant transient HF information like drums and piano, live uncompressed jazz or acoustic guitar will distort very easily from tape saturation so record levels should be maxed at zero on a peak meter and no higher than minus 3 on a VU meter. Speech can go way up on a peak meter, + 6 is no problem. If you're recording highly compressed music, like pop records or FM, about +3 is about right. If you're recording on type 4 (metal) tape, you can go up another 3 on a peak meter, but still keep it maxed to zero on a VU meter. The MPX filter is unnecessary, even with FM, provided the tuner filters the 19Khz correctly to begin with. Dolby C is quieter. Make a couple of test recordings, and if there is no ill effect from Dolby C, use it. Since it has a steeper compression/expansion curve, any mistracking is more likely to be audible on Dolby C than Dolby B. Listen and judge for yourself. Quick and easy test signal: FM interstation hiss. Record at - 5 or at 0 with metal tape. Play monitor should sound exactly like record - well, almost, regardless of Dolby B, C, of off. Proper head and electronic alignment is a must. Cassettes can easily sound awful with the slightest misalignment or dirt on the heads. ________________ Marc Stager ================================ At 2/14/02, you wrote: >Hello. > >Any comments on recording level. I seem to remember from the dim and >distant past that "peaking" at +3db was the way to go and I've always done >this with my Cassette Deck 1 with fine results, but now I've joined this >group it's time to ask again. > >Also, advice on the use of dolby B/C and the MPX filter would be appreciated. > >Thanks > >KenB ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 14 20:22:43 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:22:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: Message-ID: <00cc01c1b58c$fa1343e0$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Thomas Keeping within your budget is hard but here goes audio technica 440ml which is available for $100.00 from the needle doctor. I choose this one simply because its a good basic cartridge that should work well in the arm the original cheap linn cart was the p9 which was sourced from AT so it should work okay and be a a lot better sound wise than the low end grados. If you can spend more there might be other posibilities like the denon's or ortofon's or the clearaudio arum but that goes into $200.00 to $350.00 territory which is way above $100.00 I'd try the AT I have heard it and it sounds good without any etchy highs fairly smoooth midrange and more than okay bass. I think it will get you through until you want to spend more. Warren http://www.needledoctor.com/showitem.cfm?catnum=2&itemnum=140 http://www.audio-technica.com/guide/other/styli/cart.html > >>> suedbahntom at gmx.net 02/14/02 11:21AM >>> > hi naktalkers, > question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. > momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. > which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. > best regards, Thomas. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 14 20:25:49 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:25:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <140.97fd878.299d4e40@aol.com> Message-ID: <00e501c1b58d$690d9ac0$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Agreed on the helikon and you should hear the mono version, amazing but they cost a bit more than $100.00 :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > Agreed on the Lyra. I recently purchased a Lyra Helikon around 9 months ago. The best cartridge I have ever heard. And this replaced a Benz Reference. > > Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 14 15:26:13 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:26:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> <021001c1b52e$6dbcd720$0d3442cf@sank1> <004201c1b567$3f8934a0$c1bb9a40@0022406904> Message-ID: <3C6BC904.436C3FC6@rcn.com> I have never compared any of these decks side by side. I *have* listened extrensively to NAKs (700, 582 and CR-7) and The ReVox B215. All these decks were excellent. I believe the CR-7 does have a slight edge over the 582 and maybe a very slight edge over the B215. Even so, I could live happily with any of these decks. Frankly, I do not see the point of splitting hairs over the small differences, if any. BTW, I listened briefy to the 3014 (not sure whether is was a 3014 or 3014A) and have to say that it sounded extremely good. I suspect I would be very happy with it, as well. If forced (or given the opportunity) to choose, I would also base my decision on condition, shelf appeal and price. -- Ron Ben Li wrote: > I have a more subjective question, how is the sound quality among the > Dragon, 3014/3014A and the B215? How would you guys rate these three > machines in terms of sound quality, user friendliness, and useability? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > I would have to give the nod, just barely, to the B215. The 3014/3014A > has > > more intrinsic durability problems by a fair margin, can be seriously > > problematic to get parts for, and is belt drive. The B215 has better > > electronics design, direct drive(albeit rather primitive) quartz-lock > > capstan motors, auto-calibration & is far less easily damaged in shipping. > > It would be nice if it had discrete heads, but, otherwise, head quality > > between the two is about equal(and not as good as Nak). Although both > decks > > have inferior very long term durability than a real-Nak-transport Nak, the > > B215 will certainly outlive a 3014 by 50 to 100 percent. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Isy Fidelman" > > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:22 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > > > > Hi guys!!! > > I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose > between > > the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of > > course why... > > > > Isy > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 14 21:09:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:09:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Faraday's Concrete enclosure speakers ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c1b593$89f158c0$17bf87d9@a4s1s2> See http://www.faradaysound.co.uk/science.html Anyone ever heard these? These people to - wait for it - sale or return!!! Unheard of in this Isle!!! Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu Feb 14 21:23:11 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:23:11 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <00e501c1b58d$690d9ac0$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <26725.1013718191@www31.gmx.net> >my technical knowledge is limited....., whats so amazing about an one canal pickup? mfG Thomas. Agreed on the helikon and you should hear the mono version, amazing > but they cost a bit more than $100.00 :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:30 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > > > > Agreed on the Lyra. I recently purchased a Lyra Helikon around 9 months > ago. The best cartridge I have ever heard. And this replaced a Benz > Reference. > > > > Cal John. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Feb 14 21:20:56 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:20:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative Message-ID: <01C1B596.81452A00.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> The Lydian is a moving coil and costs about UKP650 - I know that this is a lot, but it was probably the best upgrade I ever did. The really cool thing was, my wife and I had spent a few days listening to stuff like a Naim Aro arm or an external Linn PSU, without being convinced we could get any improvement for sensible money. Then we took one listen to the Lydian, and she said "buy it, you can have it as your birthday present". John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Fischer [SMTP:suedbahntom at gmx.net] Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 18:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] arkiv alternative >is it a mm or mc and how expensive? mfg Thomas. I used to use a Lyra Lydian in a Linn (Ittok, not Ekos) with good > results. > Still have the Lyra, got rid of the Linn! > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 16:33 > To: suedbahntom at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > > Hi Thomas, > > I'll look up a few viable available alternatives to an Archiv(crazy money) > > tonight. Ekos is quite high mass if I'm not mistaken, but I'll check that > > too. > > Warren, any suggestions? > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> suedbahntom at gmx.net 02/14/02 11:21AM >>> > hi naktalkers, > question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. > momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. > which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. > best regards, Thomas. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu Feb 14 21:54:33 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:54:33 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <01C1B596.81452A00.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3291.1013720073@www57.gmx.net> >wow(smile)..., you`re realy a lucky man, aren`t you? I`ve no chance with those things by my girlfriend but maybe one time(haha)....!!!!. The Lydian is a moving coil and costs about UKP650 - I know that this is a > > lot, but it was probably the best upgrade I ever did. The really cool > thing was, my wife and I had spent a few days listening to stuff like a > Naim Aro arm or an external Linn PSU, without being convinced we could get > > any improvement for sensible money. Then we took one listen to the Lydian, > > and she said "buy it, you can have it as your birthday present". > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas Fischer [SMTP:suedbahntom at gmx.net] > Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 18:01 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > > >is it a mm or mc and how expensive? mfg Thomas. > > I used to use a Lyra Lydian in a Linn (Ittok, not Ekos) with good > > results. > > Still have the Lyra, got rid of the Linn! > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Hugo [SMTP:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > > Sent: Thursday, 14 February, 2002 16:33 > > To: suedbahntom at gmx.net; naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > > > > Hi Thomas, > > > > I'll look up a few viable available alternatives to an Archiv(crazy > money) > > > > tonight. Ekos is quite high mass if I'm not mistaken, but I'll check > that > > > > too. > > > > Warren, any suggestions? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > >>> suedbahntom at gmx.net 02/14/02 11:21AM >>> > > hi naktalkers, > > question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. > > momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. > > which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. > > best regards, Thomas. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > --========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Feb 14 22:06:43 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:06:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Faraday's Concrete enclosure speakers ... References: <003901c1b593$89f158c0$17bf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00ea01c1b59b$81bed490$a3021fac@brianm> Haven't heard of them, but Stephen makes speakers with granite enclosures. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Faraday's Concrete enclosure speakers ... > See http://www.faradaysound.co.uk/science.html > > Anyone ever heard these? These people to - wait for it - sale or return!!! > Unheard of in this Isle!!! > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From BJGRADY at aol.com Thu Feb 14 22:16:45 2002 From: BJGRADY at aol.com (BJGRADY at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:16:45 EST Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative Message-ID: <154.8fa225d.299d833e@aol.com> Yes, had a buddy listen to the mono and he said u have not heard a mono record fully until u heard it played w/ the mono Helikon. Incredible. Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu Feb 14 22:31:50 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:31:50 +0100 (MET) Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <154.8fa225d.299d833e@aol.com> Message-ID: <15962.1013722310@www46.gmx.net> >is this(helikon) a new development?. Yes, had a buddy listen to the mono and he said u have not heard a mono > record fully until u heard it played w/ the mono Helikon. Incredible. > > Cal John. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Feb 14 17:45:16 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:45:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Faraday's Concrete enclosure speakers ... References: <003901c1b593$89f158c0$17bf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C6BE99C.CDD0D9BD@rcn.com> Using inert material for speaker enclosures is nothing new and, yes, it's an excellent (if expensive) idea. My own speakers (Aerial Acoustics 10T) use similar material for the mid/high enclosure, which contributes to the excellent sound of these speakers. Using such material for the woofer enclosure would have resulted in a prohibitively heavy speaker. Years ago, a friend of mine tiled the inside of his speaker enclosure with granite tiles. This resulted in a marked sonic improvement. Other manufacturers have used extensively braced MDF to achieve the same inert acoustical behavior. B&W's Matrix line comes to mind. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > See http://www.faradaysound.co.uk/science.html > > Anyone ever heard these? These people to - wait for it - sale or return!!! > Unheard of in this Isle!!! > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From harshad at ameritech.net Thu Feb 14 22:57:54 2002 From: harshad at ameritech.net (Harshad Khatri) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 15:57:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ISO: Nakamichi ZX-7 User Manual In-Reply-To: <200202142116.WAA30182@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Folks, ISO user manual for the ZX-7. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 01:32:36 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:32:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <140.97fd878.299d4e40@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C6C5724.71BC1F9C@earthlink.net> I can see where a system balanced on the warm, slow side would sound better with the Helikon. A system balanced on the other end of the spectrum would indeed benefit from the use of the Benz however. Synergy between the system and the room (and the listener, of course) is the key. Jim Volpatti BJGRADY at aol.com wrote: > Agreed on the Lyra. I recently purchased a Lyra Helikon around 9 months ago. The best cartridge I have ever heard. And this replaced a Benz Reference. > > Cal John. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 15 02:03:55 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:03:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <001c01c1b585$f13143a0$17bf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008f01c1b5bc$a48763e0$70289bca@smarzuki> Graham, i also can't even believe that cass decks can even come close to R2r performance, never compared em side by side ... anyway that's what the reviewer said about zx, 'almost there'. How's the speaker search ? i just remembered ... why didn't you give LS3/5a a try ? mate it with a furniture-like subwoofer and you have great sound from a relatively small box. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Salim I recall seeing a brochure on the ZX7 whereon it claimed to be the equal of a R2R deck, which I took at the time to be a bit of "marketing-speak". However, I have been damned impressed with my ZX-9! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 14 February 2002 02:57 PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 15 04:03:11 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:03:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <140.97fd878.299d4e40@aol.com> <3C6C5724.71BC1F9C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <012b01c1b5cd$4dc0f920$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > I can see where a system balanced on the warm, slow side would sound better with the Helikon. That sounds like a slag Jim :-) >A system balanced on the other end of the spectrum which I guess is cold and fast ? would > indeed benefit from the use of the Benz however. Synergy between the system and the room (and the listener, of course) is the key. Yup > > Jim Volpatti > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Feb 15 04:09:14 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:09:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <00e501c1b58d$690d9ac0$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> <26725.1013718191@www31.gmx.net> Message-ID: <013701c1b5ce$25c2d320$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > >my technical knowledge is limited....., > whats so amazing about an one canal pickup? > mfG Thomas. > The advantage of a one canal pick up is of course reduced flooding during the rainy season with two canals you know its just a mess. All kidding aside when playing mono records the extra focus that the mono helikon brings is nothing short of amazing. You also get a major reduction in noise versus a stereo cartridge. Now mono isn't all that great on opera or orchestral music but when it comes to rock such as the beatles mono mixes, the phil spector stuff, chamber music, piano solos and blues stuff its really really good. Warrenb ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Feb 15 04:20:08 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:20:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <140.97fd878.299d4e40@aol.com> <3C6C5724.71BC1F9C@earthlink.net> <012b01c1b5cd$4dc0f920$39ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3C6C7E67.1DCDBDC3@earthlink.net> Hi Warren, I'm not sure what a slag is but I certainly meant no offense. I was only pointing out that no cartridge is best in all situations. Thanks for asking. Jim Volpatti Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:32 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > > > I can see where a system balanced on the warm, slow side would sound > better with the Helikon. > > That sounds like a slag Jim :-) > > >A system balanced on the other end of the spectrum > > which I guess is cold and fast ? > > would > > indeed benefit from the use of the Benz however. Synergy between the > system and the room (and the listener, of course) is the key. > > Yup > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 15 04:46:37 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:46:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <2478.1013678505@www17.gmx.net> Message-ID: <3C6C8499.DD3CE761@snet.net> If you own the Grado, then you've already found the answer given the price range you mention. Ed Thomas Fischer wrote: > hi naktalkers, > question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. > momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. > which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. > best regards, Thomas. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Feb 15 04:53:43 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:53:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tascam 122mkIII References: <002201c1b579$9e1d11a0$5900a8c0@john> Message-ID: <3C6C8643.A9D25F58@snet.net> I wouldn't waste your time... we have a couple of the three head Tascam's in the studio and I can hear an instant difference in the high end when switching from source to tape with the Tascam being compressed and somewhat rolled off. I will add that the Tascam does have ruggedness going for it as you could probably drop it down a flight of stairs and it would be fine! Ed John wrote: > Is the Tascam u are refering to the machine that is still being > manufactured? I see that Broadcast Supply Warehouse still sells the > Tascam 122mkIII for around $1000. The catalog says this deck is still > widely used and very popular in many studios. I would love to give > that deck a try.Cal John.From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:02 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > I'm very familiar with that review. I uploaded it. > > You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with > those reel > decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the > ZX-7 "equals or > surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited > material from > FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which > can record at > zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. > > I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head > machine - > and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head > machines ever > built - and used standard IEC EQ. > > There's one exception - and I speak from experience having > both a > a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. > Why? > It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On > Sony Metal-ES > it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 > IPS > RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA > > - you name it. > > And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half > track - but you > still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio > of 15 IPS > at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ============================= > ================================ > > At 2/14/02, you wrote: > > > > > Hi John, > > > > Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel > > the B215 is also better than Naks ? Regarding the open > > reel comparison, i just re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from > > naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either equal or > > surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for > > certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on > > stereo reviews' chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR > > at 71/2 ips doesn't look impressive compared to that of > > dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not everything, but > > still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John M. Tooley > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > > I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by > > far the best Cassette Deck that I have ever used / > > heard. My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a really nice > > deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A few > > months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine > > which was nice but still no ReVox B77. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Isy Fidelman > > To: Naktalk mailinglist > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Feb 15 05:08:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:08:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] arkiv alternative References: <2478.1013678505@www17.gmx.net> <3C6C8499.DD3CE761@snet.net> Message-ID: <031b01c1b5d6$5fd35a00$0d3442cf@sank1> In the sub-$100 range, I'd choose a Shure M97HE(or whatever the current version of the 97HE is called), or a vintage V15-IIIHE. For a little more, the Sumiko Blue Point is quite good as well, but is a low output MC. Personally, I hate Grado carts. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] arkiv alternative > If you own the Grado, then you've already found the answer given the price range you > mention. > > Ed > > Thomas Fischer wrote: > > > hi naktalkers, > > question: I`m searching for an inexpensive cartridge for my ekos tonarm. > > momently I play a grado gold moving iron on it. > > which mm or mc will fit the ekos and costs not over $100?. > > best regards, Thomas. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Again, as I have said many times, It all depends of many things: 1- I have always prefered a european option for recording instead of a Jap simply because the europe's counterpart always sound more flat and natural than the "japoneses", comprende ? 2- The B 215 and 3014 A sound is almost identical but the kid from Norway has that azymuth fine tuning knob and you always obtains more extended highs than with the Swiss jewel. 3- The Viking has the fastest winding speed in the industry, while the William Tell version has the most gentle and precise mechanism even though Mr. Sank believe is an over kill design, I have 2 , one from 1984 and the other from 1987. 18 years and running and all the parts are always available 4- For recorded tapes on second decks, the Dragon is simply the best, especially if you need over time music playing with her fantastic auto reverse capability. 5- Which one I prefered ? To be honest, none of the above just if I could have my 1000 ZXL running 100%. That machine is simply amazing and let me tell you what: a nice Sanktified 700 ZXL is simply another different experience. You guys, has to experienced a dubbing between a 700 ZXL and her big sister 1000 ZXL. Just remembering that makes myself happy... just happy. The 1000 was "speaking" while the 700 was "hearing". At the end, who cares ??!! My most valuable tapes were recorded in the 70's using a Technics RS M-63 deck that I still have and guess what ? She still going ! Carlos The Tape Man -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 14, 2002 02:05:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I have a more subjective question, how is the sound quality among the Dragon, 3014/3014A and the B215? How would you guys rate these three machines in terms of sound quality, user friendliness, and useability? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > I would have to give the nod, just barely, to the B215. The 3014/3014A has > more intrinsic durability problems by a fair margin, can be seriously > problematic to get parts for, and is belt drive. The B215 has better > electronics design, direct drive(albeit rather primitive) quartz-lock > capstan motors, auto-calibration & is far less easily damaged in shipping. > It would be nice if it had discrete heads, but, otherwise, head quality > between the two is about equal(and not as good as Nak). Although both decks > have inferior very long term durability than a real-Nak-transport Nak, the > B215 will certainly outlive a 3014 by 50 to 100 percent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > Hi guys!!! > I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between > the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of > course why... > > Isy > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Feb 15 09:55:35 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:55:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tascam 122mkIII Message-ID: Hi John, I don't think that buying a Tascam would be a waste of money, particularly if you manage to find a unit in good shape, previously owned. I do find that Tascams ( I have used a 122/II, and own a 112 original) are rather picky with tape types. You do not have the fine tuning capacity (or capability) with them as you have with the better 3-head Naks. I think their electronics are not as transparent as Nak. But I played a simple CD recording done on a 682ZX/Sony UX back on thre 112 and it's brilliant. The quality of bass in particular is well maintained from deck to deck. Tascam machines score well in general on playback of pre-recorded tapes, but not quite as well as Naks with adjustable PB azimuth. The drives are very stable and the heads seem to last forever. Their durability is legendary, but what I am trying to say, is that is not their only plus point. As with all hi-fi, and in particular a recording device, spend some time with it (if possible) and then decide. If you listen on headphones, doing a no Dolby recording from LP/CD onto XL-IIS, and comparing source to recording, you will note elements of very high frequency to be diminished on the tape - having probably dropped to -5dB around the 18 000hz+ level. This is not apparent (probably because it's not happening) on a 3 head Nakamichi. But without cans, the issue is negligible. The stability and tonal quality pulls it through. I remember that one of our members records on CR-7 and plays back on BX-150. I would think of that as a good application for a Tascam, but I would also say that my 112 delivers astounding performance recording from any source with the hard to find JVC AFII superchrome cassette. I would also caution to add that it can take a brand new TDK SA and make Celine Dion sound as if she is singing with cotton wool in her mouth, and the orchestra has phoned-in the backing track. Cheers, Marc >>> BJGRADY at aol.com 02/15/02 10:05AM >>> Thanks for the info Ed. Good to know so I don't waste my money! Cal John. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 03:31:17 PM To: Naktalk mailinglist Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 Hi guys!!! I have a very simple question: if you have the oportunity to choose between the Tandberg 3014 and the Revox B215 which one would you buy.....and of course why... Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri Feb 15 14:40:25 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (CopyTech Corporation) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:40:25 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Recording Level? References: Message-ID: <3C6D0FC9.000009.99635@mycomputer.coqui.net> Levels? I'm on the recording enginner's side: the highest possible without distortion. On the B-215 I'll go all the way up to +6 on peaks with chrome tape. All my recordings are made "high". More impact and less noise. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 14, 2002 05:43:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Recording Level? Hello. Any comments on recording level. I seem to remember from the dim and distant past that "peaking" at +3db was the way to go and I've always done this with my Cassette Deck 1 with fine results, but now I've joined this group it's time to ask again. Also, advice on the use of dolby B/C and the MPX filter would be appreciated. Thanks KenB ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. Nothing beats the three head cassettedecks from Nakamichi. These heads are exellent! Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 15 15:35:18 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:35:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 References: <004601c1b50f$422bfb00$e56423c8@g8nsv> <002801c1b556$df1eb0f0$2b756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <00a001c1b624$199ea5f0$9e3cbbd4@Colossus2001> Message-ID: <009901c1b62d$ff758540$3d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Yes, I forgot about my Sanktified Nakamichi 700 II, sold about a year ago. Very open, uncompressed sound but perhaps not the same quality in tape movement. The ReVox B 215, just like its r2r decks never lacks in torque to move tape around. I'm still amazed at the B 215's timing when going from rewind in to play mode, it's instantaneous! I think true Nirvana would be a B 215 with discreet Nakamichi heads. The B 215's plastic un-attached head cover is a pain in the arse and the machine is huge! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurits J. Raven" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:55 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 > > > I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best > Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony > TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. > > Nothing beats the three head cassettedecks from Nakamichi. These heads > are exellent! > > > Maurits > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Feb 15 16:06:38 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:06:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tascam 122mkIII In-Reply-To: <3C6C8643.A9D25F58@snet.net> References: <002201c1b579$9e1d11a0$5900a8c0@john> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020215094607.01fcbc20@mail.verizon.net> At 2/14/02, you wrote: >I wouldn't waste your time... we have a couple of the three head Tascam's >in the studio and I can hear an instant difference in the high end when >switching from source to tape with the Tascam being compressed and >somewhat rolled off. I will add that the Tascam does have ruggedness going >for it as you could probably drop it down a flight of stairs and it would >be fine! > >Ed ============================================= I have the 122, original version, and my results are a little different, but I am meticulous about aligning my machines to the absolute limit of their capabilities. The Tascam is dead on with Maxell chrome or Sony Metal-ES, not just to my ears but with test tones from an HP 652 audio generator, down less than 2 dB at 15 Khz as measured on a Gold-Line GL-30 RTA... Without the need of distortion inducing underbiasing! That's at standard speed. At the 3 3/4 IPS speed sound is nothing short of stunning. Properly aligned and adjusted and with good heads, the Tascam 122 can easily give you flat, uncompressed HF response with metal tape, or at a lower recording level, with type II. If not, Ed, you have a problem with your machine. ________________ Marc Stager ====================================== >John wrote: >> Is the Tascam u are refering to the machine that is still being >> manufactured? I see that Broadcast Supply Warehouse still sells the >> Tascam 122mkIII for around $1000. The catalog says this deck is still >> widely used and very popular in many studios. I would love to give that >> deck a try.Cal John.From: owner-naktalk at naks.com >> [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf >> Of Marc Stager >>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:02 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 >> >>I'm very familiar with that review. I uploaded it. >> >>You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with those reel >>decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the ZX-7 "equals or >>surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited material from >>FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which can record at >>zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. >> >>I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head machine - >>and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head machines ever >>built - and used standard IEC EQ. >> >>There's one exception - and I speak from experience having both a >>a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. Why? >>It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On Sony Metal-ES >>it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 IPS >>RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA >>- you name it. >> >>And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half track - but you >>still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio of 15 IPS >>at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. >> >>________________ Marc Stager >> >>============================================================== >> >>At 2/14/02, you wrote: >>> >>>Hi John, >>> >>>Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is >>>also better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just >>>re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the >>>ZX either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips >>>for certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo >>>reviews' chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't >>>look impressive compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes >>>FR's not everything, but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Salim SM >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: John M. Tooley >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 >>> >>>I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best >>>Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony >>>TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A >>>few months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice >>>but still no ReVox B77. >>> >>>John >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Isy Fidelman >>>To: Naktalk mailinglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Feb 15 18:53:15 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:53:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Tascam 122mkIII Message-ID: Marc, or anyone else, When was the high speed dropped; Mk II, or MkIII? Sometimes "new and improved" is not necessarily improved. Also, along the way, QC (quality control), parts sources, or design changes may change for the worse, even though the equipment may "look" the same. Those deficiencies, along with even slight discrepancies in internal calibration can keep equipment from operating at its best. If the test equipment used to calibrate the device under test (DUT) is out of adjustment, then the DUT cannot be set to optimal settings. We have 3 tape decks (1 for playback, 2 for record) at the sound consoles (1 for house reinforcement; 1 for audio & video recording, hearing impaired system, and remote speakers). The tape tracks almost always had to be slowed down 2.5-3.5% and the copies made from the master tape from the console were almost a half step too low in pitch. After a lot of finger pointing, one of the guys brought in a frequency counter that had just been calibrated in the standards lab at Delco Remy. Come to find out, the bench frequency counter at IRC was way out of calibration, and that was what they adjusted all their portable units to. The same would hold true for DMMs, VOMs, VTVMs (Valve Meter for Gra') or o'scopes (oh silly scopes---actually, oscilloscopes). If the test equipment isn't very accurate some adjustments may be nominal, others may be just plain unacceptable (like speed adjustment). All this to say there may be quite a difference between the original version, Mk II, & Mk III; as well as the maintenance/calibration of them. Even though you may be comparing apples to apples, they may be Delicious to Jonathan; they are definitely NOT the same! >>> Marc at Stager.com 02/15/02 10:06AM >>> At 2/14/02, you wrote: I wouldn't waste your time... we have a couple of the three head Tascam's in the studio and I can hear an instant difference in the high end when switching from source to tape with the Tascam being compressed and somewhat rolled off. I will add that the Tascam does have ruggedness going for it as you could probably drop it down a flight of stairs and it would be fine! Ed ============================================= I have the 122, original version, and my results are a little different, but I am meticulous about aligning my machines to the absolute limit of their capabilities. The Tascam is dead on with Maxell chrome or Sony Metal-ES, not just to my ears but with test tones from an HP 652 audio generator, down less than 2 dB at 15 Khz as measured on a Gold-Line GL-30 RTA... Without the need of distortion inducing underbiasing! That's at standard speed. At the 3 3/4 IPS speed sound is nothing short of stunning. Properly aligned and adjusted and with good heads, the Tascam 122 can easily give you flat, uncompressed HF response with metal tape, or at a lower recording level, with type II. If not, Ed, you have a problem with your machine. ________________ Marc Stager ====================================== John wrote: Is the Tascam u are refering to the machine that is still being manufactured? I see that Broadcast Supply Warehouse still sells the Tascam 122mkIII for around $1000. The catalog says this deck is still widely used and very popular in many studios. I would love to give that deck a try.Cal John.From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I'm very familiar with that review. I uploaded it. You took those Cordesman's comparison of the Nakamichi with those reel decks at 15 IPS out of context. He stated clearly that the ZX-7 "equals or surpasses the Tandberg an Revox" on dynamically limited material from FM broadcasts or records - and only with metal tapes, which can record at zero level, at full bandwidth with acceptable distortion. I'll take any good discrete head deck over any sandwich head machine - and the Tandberg 1314A is one of the finest discrete head machines ever built - and used standard IEC EQ. There's one exception - and I speak from experience having both a a finely tuned Nak 582 and the exception: The Tascam 122. Why? It has one thing no Nakamichi ever had: 3 3/4 IPS speed. On Sony Metal-ES it KILLS, SLAUGHTERS, DEVASTATES ANY, AND I MEAN ANY 1 7/8 IPS RECORDING ON ANY, AND I MEAN ANY, NAK, REVOX, TANDBERG, AIWA - you name it. And it is as close as anything on cassette to 15 IPS half track - but you still need the Dolby on the cassette to match the S/N ratio of 15 IPS at 6 dB over 250 on BASF 900 mastering tape. ________________ Marc Stager ============================================================== At 2/14/02, you wrote: Hi John, Slightly off (or on) topic here, does that mean you feel the B215 is also better than Naks ? Regarding the open reel comparison, i just re-read the ZX7 TAS review (from naks ftp) and interestingly it says the ZX either equal or surpass both half track revox and tandberg at 15 ips for certain recordings ! now that's a truly wow. Also on stereo reviews' chart of TD20 - forgot which breed, the FR at 71/2 ips doesn't look impressive compared to that of dragon's (same 1984 review), yes FR's not everything, but still remarkable for a 1 7/8 speed. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tandberg 3014 or Revox B215 I have a Stephen Sank breathed on B 215 and it is by far the best Cassette Deck that I have ever used / heard. My reference was a Sony TC-K670, a really nice deck but not in the same league as the ReVox. A few months ago I got to use a Tandberg TD20A R2R machine which was nice but still no ReVox B77. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ..... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 15 20:44:53 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:44:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! References: <001c01c1b656$11797620$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> <3C6D7254.000004.57005@mycomputer.coqui.net> Message-ID: <01bc01c1b659$3dfa6850$0e756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> The gold one of course Carlos. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: CopyTech Corporation To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Hello Gra': You want your 1000 ZXL regular or special limited edition ? Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 06:26:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ...... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ..... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 15 21:08:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:08:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In-Reply-To: <3C6D7254.000004.57005@mycomputer.coqui.net> Message-ID: <003401c1b65c$91ea9180$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Um .... the regular will do nicely - I'm not going to be greedy! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of CopyTech Corporation Sent: 15 February 2002 08:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Hello Gra': You want your 1000 ZXL regular or special limited edition ? Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 06:26:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ...... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00043.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 15 21:08:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:08:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In-Reply-To: <01bc01c1b659$3dfa6850$0e756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <003f01c1b65c$95410f80$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> I am insulted! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 15 February 2002 07:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! The gold one of course Carlos. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: CopyTech Corporation To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Hello Gra': You want your 1000 ZXL regular or special limited edition ? Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, February 15, 2002 06:26:22 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ...... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00050.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 15 21:42:55 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:42:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! References: <003a01c1b65c$93e21bc0$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01f901c1b661$589f4380$0e756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I'll try mine next week and get back at yer! That DAT 2 DAT Simple Minds dub is pretty nice. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Huh! I would but I still can't get the damned thing to record off my CD player .... this machine may have to go ... (Wanna buy it as a spare?) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 15 February 2002 07:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Go play with your PCM-2500, spoilt brat! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ..... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Feb 15 23:08:34 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:08:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] LX-5 Manual Message-ID: <3C6D4092.11043.BD055@localhost> I just received my LX-5 - sounds great with my 30 year old tapes. Does anybody have a service manual for this beastie that they would be willing to sell/copy/scan? TIA, Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 01:58:37 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:58:37 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Happy birthday, Graham!! References: <001c01c1b656$11797620$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C6DAEBC.D3F2F46@earthlink.net> Heck, I had no idea it was your birthday. If it has not passed, go out and see some live music. It is everyone's right to have some fun on their birthday. If it helps any, I don't have a Nak either. But then again, my birthday is coming up again in September. (hint, hint....) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my > present......But not this year.Instead I was quiet.I was modest.I > behaved with decorum.I was a GOOD boy.And what do I get?Nutting!Not > even a "happy birthday"!THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ......... I > shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next > Friday! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 16 02:19:13 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01:19:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy birthday, Graham!! In-Reply-To: <3C6DAEBC.D3F2F46@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <005d01c1b687$f1bfbec0$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Jim Thank you Jim. It was actually on the 12th. Wish hard enough and your dreams will come true! I started out on this list poor as a church mouse and with no Nak. I now have a wonderful BX-1 (wonderful, for a BX-1) courtesy of Stephen and a nice ZX-9 from a guy in Holland (who I did okay by but, oddly, others seem to have had so much trouble with he's been chucked off e-Bay!) I was going out on my birthday but I'm not in perfect health right now and was a little tired ... would have stayed in to listen to almost live music on the hi fi but, you will have gathered, I'm only running on one speaker right now!!! Heard a KEF Q5 the other day. It was nice, but it's £499. I am wondering how it compares with the Concerto 2 as there's a London dealer selling them for half price - £399 instead of £799 Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 16 February 2002 12:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Happy birthday, Graham!! Heck, I had no idea it was your birthday. If it has not passed, go out and see some live music. It is everyone's right to have some fun on their birthday. If it helps any, I don't have a Nak either. But then again, my birthday is coming up again in September. (hint, hint....) Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present......But not this year.Instead I was quiet.I was modest.I behaved with decorum.I was a GOOD boy.And what do I get?Nutting!Not even a "happy birthday"!THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ......... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 02:37:46 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 18:37:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: Message-ID: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> You don't even want to get me started on that criminally bad, planned-obsolescence, horrible piece of rat excrement. And Micromega, Meridian, etc. use the vile thing because it saves them spending actual money on a real transport mech. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Anyone had any experience with above CD transport series ? I have an > argument with a local techie, who thinks they are best, since Micromega and > such utilise them. I thought they were from the "crap" period of Philips - > am I wrong ? > > George > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 02:52:13 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:52:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you like? If I'm not mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies currently manufacturing transport mechanisms. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > You don't even want to get me started on that criminally bad, > planned-obsolescence, horrible piece of rat excrement. > And Micromega, Meridian, etc. use the vile thing because it saves them > spending actual money on a real transport mech. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:09 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > Anyone had any experience with above CD transport series ? I have an > > argument with a local techie, who thinks they are best, since Micromega > and > > such utilise them. I thought they were from the "crap" period of Philips - > > am I wrong ? > > > > George > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 03:30:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:30:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <040801c1b691$ec05c9c0$0d3442cf@sank1> JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony units are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs are just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, as far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" mechanisms. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you like? If I'm not > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies currently > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > You don't even want to get me started on that criminally bad, > > planned-obsolescence, horrible piece of rat excrement. > > And Micromega, Meridian, etc. use the vile thing because it saves them > > spending actual money on a real transport mech. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "George Valkov" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:09 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > Anyone had any experience with above CD transport series ? I have an > > > argument with a local techie, who thinks they are best, since Micromega > > and > > > such utilise them. I thought they were from the "crap" period of Philips - > > > am I wrong ? > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 04:21:22 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:21:22 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> <040801c1b691$ec05c9c0$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C6DD032.44C9B58A@earthlink.net> Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, Teac and Sanyo? And if so, what companies use them? Thanks for the info. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony units > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs are > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, as > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" mechanisms. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you like? If > I'm not > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies currently > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 04:50:45 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:50:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> <040801c1b691$ec05c9c0$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DD032.44C9B58A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <046001c1b69d$1dfb1740$0d3442cf@sank1> Oh, I forgot about Pioneer. AFAIK, they still make the quite good "stable platter" cd transports. Krell uses the highest grade JVC on the KPS-25s/sc, and the Teac on the KAV250cd/350cd(which sound awful). Don't know who else uses them. The Sony, of course, is OEM'd to a lot of people. Sanyo has OEM'd to quite a few people in the past, including Nakamichi. Don't know who uses them now except Yamaha, which, of course, sound awful. Sharp actually used to make really good lasers, too, but went totally down the tubes a couple years ago. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, Teac and Sanyo? > And if so, what companies use them? > > Thanks for the info. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony units > > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs are > > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, as > > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" mechanisms. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you like? If > > I'm not > > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies currently > > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Feb 16 07:18:34 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01:18:34 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - An interesting discussion re: DVD-A vs. SACD Message-ID: <8c.1406fd4a.299f53ba@aol.com> In a message dated 2/14/2002 9:20:23 AM Central Standard Time, brianm at grar.com writes: << Hi Sam, this link doesn't work. >> Hi Brian,, Thanks. I'll recheck the website and get back to you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ..... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Feb 16 09:54:28 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:54:28 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> <040801c1b691$ec05c9c0$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DD032.44C9B58A@earthlink.net> <046001c1b69d$1dfb1740$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C6E1E43.DFE2183F@earthlink.net> Duh, I completely forgot about Pioneer. FYI, I just went to their website and it seems that they no longer manufacture a single disc CD player, let alone one that uses the Stable Platter mechanism. However, they do make a $6000 DVD-V, DVD-A, two channel SACD player that, judging by the size of the drawer, might indeed use the that mechanism. Beware, the website caused my Netscape browser to crash repeatedly. I had no trouble with IE. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Oh, I forgot about Pioneer. AFAIK, they still make the quite good "stable > platter" cd transports. > Krell uses the highest grade JVC on the KPS-25s/sc, and the Teac on the > KAV250cd/350cd(which sound awful). Don't know who else uses them. The > Sony, of course, is OEM'd to a lot of people. Sanyo has OEM'd to quite a > few people in the past, including Nakamichi. Don't know who uses them now > except Yamaha, which, of course, sound awful. Sharp actually used to make > really good lasers, too, but went totally down the tubes a couple years ago. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, > Teac and Sanyo? > > And if so, what companies use them? > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony > units > > > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs > are > > > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, > as > > > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" > mechanisms. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you > like? If > > > I'm not > > > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies > currently > > > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 16 10:12:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:12:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x In-Reply-To: <046001c1b69d$1dfb1740$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006f01c1b6ca$1cd2a360$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Interesting what you say about Sharp. In the UK their reputation was low fi. Then, out of the blue came their SCD player! From a Brit perspective this would seem like Yugo cars launching a limo! Like, "Where the Hell did that come from?" G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 16 February 2002 03:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x Oh, I forgot about Pioneer. AFAIK, they still make the quite good "stable platter" cd transports. Krell uses the highest grade JVC on the KPS-25s/sc, and the Teac on the KAV250cd/350cd(which sound awful). Don't know who else uses them. The Sony, of course, is OEM'd to a lot of people. Sanyo has OEM'd to quite a few people in the past, including Nakamichi. Don't know who uses them now except Yamaha, which, of course, sound awful. Sharp actually used to make really good lasers, too, but went totally down the tubes a couple years ago. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, Teac and Sanyo? > And if so, what companies use them? > > Thanks for the info. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony units > > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs are > > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, as > > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" mechanisms. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you like? If > > I'm not > > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies currently > > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 16 10:44:26 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:44:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01F320D3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> HAPPY BIRTHDAY GRAHAM! I'll see if I can steal one of the units you requested from someone :) Cheers and all the best. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 6:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ..... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Feb 16 13:07:44 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:37:44 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Message-ID: <001c01c1b6e2$8afa2d00$42d60192@vsnl> Graham Better look for Dragon turntable or TX1000 - they are more valuble than your 1000ZXL Happy birthday !!! Poor naktalker from a developing country Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, February 16, 2002 3:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! HAPPY BIRTHDAY GRAHAM! I'll see if I can steal one of the units you requested from someone :) Cheers and all the best. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2002 6:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In previous years I have always begged for a Nakamichi as my present...... But not this year. Instead I was quiet. I was modest. I behaved with decorum. I was a GOOD boy. And what do I get? Nutting! Not even a "happy birthday"! THIS CARRIES WITH IT A PENALTY ..... .... I shall expect a B215 or a ZXL 700/1000 delivered on my doorstep by next Friday! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 16 14:07:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 13:07:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In-Reply-To: <001c01c1b6e2$8afa2d00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <00a901c1b6ea$f559f380$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Kannan "Developing country"? Hmmmm .... Don't know yourself down so far. Some so-called already developed countries ain't as developed as they like to think they are! More sophisticated weapons perhaps, but they still kill people! More people. They're also more developed in their use of language, courtesy of public relations-speak to disguise their primitive ethics, arrogance and selfishness... ;oD Back to Nak's ... You've got a point there ... I'LL HAVE THE EITHER OF THOSE TT'S FOR MY PRESENT, PLEASE GUYS. (Well, you already KNOW what a "piece of junk" (Stephen's words) my PT TOO is! Grinning Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 16 February 2002 12:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Graham Better look for Dragon turntable or TX1000 - they are more valuble than your 1000ZXL Happy birthday !!! Poor naktalker from a developing country Kannan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 16 15:12:08 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 14:12:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool In-Reply-To: <001c01c1b6e2$8afa2d00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <00b001c1b6f3$eb271600$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Feb 16 17:20:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:20:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> <040801c1b691$ec05c9c0$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DD032.44C9B58A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c1b705$c9d6edb0$37756acf@johnrotten> Stephen, What mech. does ReVox use in the B 225 & 226 decks? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, Teac and Sanyo? > And if so, what companies use them? > > Thanks for the info. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony units > > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs are > > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, as > > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" mechanisms. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you like? If > > I'm not > > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies currently > > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Feb 16 17:39:57 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 11:39:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool References: <00b001c1b6f3$eb271600$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <007301c1b708$9261f840$37756acf@johnrotten> That's a nice speaker, highly rated years ago. Nicely finished also! Go Graham. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Feb 16 18:04:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 00:04:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] developed language (joke, if you insist) References: <00a901c1b6ea$f559f380$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <005001c1b70c$10b9ff00$6b289bca@smarzuki> Graham, you reminded me ... once again: Question: "WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?" KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side. PLATO: For the greater good. CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. DR. TIMOTHY LEARY: Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take. FOX MULDER: You saw it cross the road with your own Eyes. How many more chickens have to cross the road before you believe it? JERRY SEINFELD: Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask, "What the heck was this chicken doing walking around all over the place, anyway?" SIGMUND FREUD: The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. BILL GATES: I will soon release the new Chicken Office 2002, which will not only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your checkbook. ALBERT EINSTEIN: Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. COLONEL SANDERS: I missed one. ANDERSEN CONSULTING: Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was a threatening dominant market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model(PIM), Andersen helped the chicken use itsskills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in the transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear and unified market message and aligned with the chicken's mission,vision, and core values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business integration solution. In summary, Andersen Consulting helped the chicken manage change to become more successful. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Kannan "Developing country"? Hmmmm .... Don't know yourself down so far. Some so-called already developed countries ain't as developed as they like to think they are! More sophisticated weapons perhaps, but they still kill people! More people. They're also more developed in their use of language, courtesy of public relations-speak to disguise their primitive ethics, arrogance and selfishness... ;oD Back to Nak's ... You've got a point there ... I'LL HAVE THE EITHER OF THOSE TT'S FOR MY PRESENT, PLEASE GUYS. (Well, you already KNOW what a "piece of junk" (Stephen's words) my PT TOO is! Grinning Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 16 February 2002 12:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Graham Better look for Dragon turntable or TX1000 - they are more valuble than your 1000ZXL Happy birthday !!! Poor naktalker from a developing country Kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020216131947.01fbf480@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <00d201c1b71e$d687a400$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Marc What's a camera? ;oD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 16 February 2002 06:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! At 2/16/02, you wrote: Graham Better look for Dragon turntable or TX1000 - they are more valuble than your 1000ZXL Happy birthday !!! Poor naktalker from a developing country Kannan ================= Developing country? Is that, like, where they haven't gotten into digital cameras yet? ________________ Marc Stager --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <00d201c1b71e$d687a400$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020216131947.01fbf480@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020216152901.01fb95d0@mail.verizon.net> Were you the guy trying to take pictures with two tin cans and a string? ________________ Marc Stager At 2/16/02, you wrote: >Marc > >What's a camera? > >;oD >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Marc Stager >Sent: 16 February 2002 06:21 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! > >At 2/16/02, you wrote: >>Graham >>Better look for Dragon turntable or TX1000 - they are more valuble than >>your 1000ZXL >>Happy birthday !!! >>Poor naktalker from a developing country >>Kannan >================= > >Developing country? Is that, like, where they >haven't gotten into digital cameras yet? > >________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 16 23:07:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 22:07:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020216152901.01fb95d0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <010a01c1b736$4edce160$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Yeah - pretty neat the telephone, isn't it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 16 February 2002 08:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! Were you the guy trying to take pictures with two tin cans and a string? ________________ Marc Stager At 2/16/02, you wrote: Marc What's a camera? ;oD --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 23:18:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:18:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <006f01c1b6ca$1cd2a360$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <04d101c1b737$eab06e80$0d3442cf@sank1> Yes, Sharp is indeed mostly a lo-fi maker, but they did make excellent laser pickups for CD from about 1984 through about 1996. Their own players were garbage, though, of course. Same is true of Sanyo. Nice lasers, crappy players. Also, Panasonic made excellent lasers & superb linear motor transport mechs from about 1985 to maybe 1990, which were even in there $129 carousel changers. In fact, I went out of my way to buy a Panasonic/Technics SL-P1300 pro player just a few months ago on ebay, as it is the best of their best transports & is also an extremely nice 18bit/8x player. It & it's predecessor, the P1200, which I also have one of(for sale), are the only players I know of that had not one single belt, gear or motor brush, as they were linear motor, top load & brushless spindle motor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 2:12 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Interesting what you say about Sharp. In the UK their reputation was low > fi. Then, out of the blue came their SCD player! From a Brit perspective > this would seem like Yugo cars launching a limo! Like, "Where the Hell did > that come from?" > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 16 February 2002 03:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > Oh, I forgot about Pioneer. AFAIK, they still make the quite good "stable > platter" cd transports. > Krell uses the highest grade JVC on the KPS-25s/sc, and the Teac on the > KAV250cd/350cd(which sound awful). Don't know who else uses them. The > Sony, of course, is OEM'd to a lot of people. Sanyo has OEM'd to quite a > few people in the past, including Nakamichi. Don't know who uses them now > except Yamaha, which, of course, sound awful. Sharp actually used to make > really good lasers, too, but went totally down the tubes a couple years ago. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, > Teac and Sanyo? > > And if so, what companies use them? > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony > units > > > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs > are > > > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, > as > > > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" > mechanisms. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you > like? If > > > I'm not > > > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies > currently > > > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 23:28:25 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:28:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool References: <00b001c1b6f3$eb271600$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <04ec01c1b739$41f3cc40$0d3442cf@sank1> I think you'll love the NS1000's(whichever version they are). I've personally owned NS-200M, NS-500M & last had NS2000's, which I would still have, in addition to my own speakers, had they not burned in a fire five years ago. The 1000 & 2000 models had 30micron thick, vapor-deposited, pure beyllium dome tweeter & midrange, with formerless, flat-wound voice coils for absolutely no wasted mass. Stunningly low distortion. If I could get those tweeters today, I'd use them in my speakers. If you buy them, and you're a fool if you don't, as long as they're less than =$800-1000 & in good working order, do yourself a favor & remove the "phase rings" from the mids & tweets. Makes them even smoother. For stands, they like to be only about a foot off the ground & tilted back 10 -15 degrees, and the stands should be massive(or a stack of bricks) & on spikes. But they also sound great right on the floor with about 1" of paperback books under the front of each one for tilt. This is how I ran my 2000's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool > ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 23:33:15 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:33:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CDM 12.x References: <03e201c1b68a$8a1d4280$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DBB4D.D2A6D215@earthlink.net> <040801c1b691$ec05c9c0$0d3442cf@sank1> <3C6DD032.44C9B58A@earthlink.net> <002001c1b705$c9d6edb0$37756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <050801c1b739$eece4940$0d3442cf@sank1> Philips CDM-1 & CDM-2. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > Stephen, > > What mech. does ReVox use in the B 225 & 226 decks? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:21 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > Interesting. I know that Sony and Philips OEM their mechanisms. Do JVC, > Teac and Sanyo? > > And if so, what companies use them? > > > > Thanks for the info. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > JVC still makes high grade transports that are quite good. The Sony > units > > > are not wonderful, but are at least decent & quite reliable. The Teacs > are > > > just Sony lasers in a different, but not better, mechanism. And Sanyo, > as > > > far as I know, still makes quite decent lasers in "sony clone" > mechanisms. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 6:52 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CDM 12.x > > > > > > > Which begs the question, what current production mechanism do you > like? If > > > I'm not > > > > mistaken, Sony, Philips and possibly Teac are the only companies > currently > > > > manufacturing transport mechanisms. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Feb 16 23:38:15 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:38:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] developed language (joke, if you insist) References: <00a901c1b6ea$f559f380$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> <005001c1b70c$10b9ff00$6b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <051b01c1b73a$a153e2a0$0d3442cf@sank1> That was hugely funny. Here's one I made up some years ago, while helping an electrician friend with a breaker box installation: Q: Why did the chicken electrocute itself? A: To get to the other side. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:04 AM Subject: [naktalk] developed language (joke, if you insist) > > Graham, you reminded me ... once again: > > > Question: > "WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?" > > > KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: > To get to the other side. > > PLATO: > For the greater good. > > CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK: > To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. > > DR. TIMOTHY LEARY: > Because that's the only trip the establishment would let it take. > > FOX MULDER: > You saw it cross the road with your own Eyes. How many more chickens have to > cross the road before you believe it? > > JERRY SEINFELD: > Why does anyone cross a road? I mean, why doesn't anyone ever think to ask, > "What the heck was this chicken doing walking around all over the place, > anyway?" > > SIGMUND FREUD: > The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed the road > reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. > > BILL GATES: > I will soon release the new Chicken Office 2002, which will not only cross > roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your > checkbook. > > ALBERT EINSTEIN: > Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken > depends upon your frame of reference. > > COLONEL SANDERS: > I missed one. > > ANDERSEN CONSULTING: > Deregulation of the chicken's side of the road was a threatening dominant > market position. The chicken was faced with significant challenges to create > and develop the competencies required for the newly competitive market. > Andersen Consulting, in a partnering relationship with the client, helped > the chicken by rethinking its physical distribution strategy and > implementation processes. Using the Poultry Integration Model(PIM), Andersen > helped the chicken use itsskills, methodologies, knowledge, capital and > experiences to align the chicken's people, processes and technology in > support of its overall strategy within a Program Management framework. > Andersen Consulting convened a diverse cross-spectrum of road analysts and > best chickens along with Anderson consultants with deep skills in the > transportation industry to engage in a two-day itinerary of meetings in > order to leverage their personal knowledge capital, both tacit and explicit, > and to enable them to synergize with each other in order to achieve the > implicit goals of delivering and successfully architecting and implementing > an enterprise-wide value framework across the continuum of poultry > cross-median processes. The meeting was held in a park-like setting, > enabling and creating an impactful environment which was strategically > based, industry-focused, and built upon a consistent, clear and unified > market message and aligned with the chicken's mission,vision, and core > values. This was conducive towards the creation of a total business > integration solution. In summary, Andersen Consulting helped the chicken > manage change to become more successful. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:07 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! > > > Kannan > > "Developing country"? Hmmmm .... Don't know yourself down so far. Some so-called already developed countries ain't as developed as they like to think they are! More sophisticated weapons perhaps, but they still kill people! More people. They're also more developed in their use of language, courtesy of public relations-speak to disguise their primitive ethics, arrogance and selfishness... ;oD > > Back to Nak's ... You've got a point there ... I'LL HAVE THE EITHER OF THOSE TT'S FOR MY PRESENT, PLEASE GUYS. (Well, you already KNOW what a "piece of junk" (Stephen's words) my PT TOO is! > > Grinning Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S > Sent: 16 February 2002 12:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] You all forgot my birthday .... sob! sob! > > > Graham > Better look for Dragon turntable or TX1000 - they are more valuble than your 1000ZXL > Happy birthday !!! > Poor naktalker from a developing country > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 17 00:21:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:21:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool In-Reply-To: <04ec01c1b739$41f3cc40$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <012c01c1b740$b81bbca0$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Stephen So far .... I love 'em! The cost me equivalent of about $840. They're pretty ugly, of course, and I'm sure my wife will kill me when she sees them! But they sound treeeeemendoussss! The dealer threw in a pair of (admittedly second hand) stands that take them about 1' off the floor. They're a bit higher than that as I presently have them on decorative concrete paving slabs. May try them off those ... or even on them without the stands, tilted, as you suggest. There's the odd scratch and chip on the cabinet but nothing serious, most of it easily hidden with a felt tip pen, I would think. Phase rings? You know I'm an ignoramus when it comes to the technical side! What am I looking for? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 16 February 2002 10:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool I think you'll love the NS1000's(whichever version they are). I've personally owned NS-200M, NS-500M & last had NS2000's, which I would still have, in addition to my own speakers, had they not burned in a fire five years ago. The 1000 & 2000 models had 30micron thick, vapor-deposited, pure beyllium dome tweeter & midrange, with formerless, flat-wound voice coils for absolutely no wasted mass. Stunningly low distortion. If I could get those tweeters today, I'd use them in my speakers. If you buy them, and you're a fool if you don't, as long as they're less than =$800-1000 & in good working order, do yourself a favor & remove the "phase rings" from the mids & tweets. Makes them even smoother. For stands, they like to be only about a foot off the ground & tilted back 10 -15 degrees, and the stands should be massive(or a stack of bricks) & on spikes. But they also sound great right on the floor with about 1" of paperback books under the front of each one for tilt. This is how I ran my 2000's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool > ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Feb 17 00:39:31 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:39:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool References: <012c01c1b740$b81bbca0$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <058f01c1b743$2f50c980$0d3442cf@sank1> The phase rings are the metal rings suspended in front of each dome. You have to carefully extract the glued-in rubber retainer rings from around the metal screens, then remove the screens, and them just unscrew the rings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool > Stephen > > So far .... I love 'em! The cost me equivalent of about $840. They're > pretty ugly, of course, and I'm sure my wife will kill me when she sees > them! But they sound treeeeemendoussss! > > The dealer threw in a pair of (admittedly second hand) stands that take them > about 1' off the floor. They're a bit higher than that as I presently have > them on decorative concrete paving slabs. May try them off those ... or > even on them without the stands, tilted, as you suggest. > > There's the odd scratch and chip on the cabinet but nothing serious, most of > it easily hidden with a felt tip pen, I would think. > > Phase rings? You know I'm an ignoramus when it comes to the technical side! > What am I looking for? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 16 February 2002 10:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a > dealer in Liverpool > > > I think you'll love the NS1000's(whichever version they are). I've > personally owned NS-200M, NS-500M & last had NS2000's, which I would still > have, in addition to my own speakers, had they not burned in a fire five > years ago. The 1000 & 2000 models had 30micron thick, vapor-deposited, pure > beyllium dome tweeter & midrange, with formerless, flat-wound voice coils > for absolutely no wasted mass. Stunningly low distortion. If I could get > those tweeters today, I'd use them in my speakers. If you buy them, and > you're a fool if you don't, as long as they're less than =$800-1000 & in > good working order, do yourself a favor & remove the "phase rings" from the > mids & tweets. Makes them even smoother. For stands, they like to be only > about a foot off the ground & tilted back 10 -15 degrees, and the stands > should be massive(or a stack of bricks) & on spikes. But they also sound > great right on the floor with about 1" of paperback books under the front of > each one for tilt. This is how I ran my 2000's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer > in Liverpool > > > > ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... > > > > Graham > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sun Feb 17 10:46:56 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:46:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Message-ID: Buy it now before its gone!!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333417137 lol Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 17 10:55:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:55:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <013b01c1b799$3ab4eee0$3b9687d9@a4s1s2> "....looks as if made from silver, whether it is actually real silver, I'm not sure. If the price of their Hi Fi is anything to go on, it probably is...... " If the quality of their hi fi is anything to go by it's be silver plate or just chrome! ;oD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 17 February 2002 09:47 AM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Buy it now before its gone!!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333417137 lol Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dwiesnoski at attbi.com Sun Feb 17 18:10:46 2002 From: dwiesnoski at attbi.com (dwiesnoski) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 11:10:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 Message-ID: <004d01c1b7d6$0ae74ea0$5f8af90c@attbi.com> I've recently joined the Nak family (and naktalk list). I've enjoyed learning about these fine machines firsthand. I'm in the process of overhauling an ebay purchased 600 - apparently not one of Nakamichi's best loved units, but one that I like and want to get running properly again. I'm looking for some technical help. The unit has some tape transport problems - it runs slow under load and won't FF or RW properly. (BTW, Is there anything in the consumer electronics category on ebay that is close to being represented accurately - particularly in the cassette category?) I've replaced the belt and idler wheel tires. The pinch roller seems to be okay. What would I check next? I know there are a number of excellent people who do good work with Nak decks, but I'm interested in doing this myself. I feel you don't truly appreciate any machine or product (Nak cassette, Porsche 911, a fine woodworking project, etc.) unless you get dig in yourself. Anybody care to weigh in? Dennis Wiesnoski Deerfield, IL -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Sun Feb 17 19:12:32 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:12:32 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5976@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Congratulations Dennis! As a matter of fact you got a very nice sounding piece of equipment, when tuned'n'aligned properly, naturally. I would compare its sound to the one of such monsters like 700TriTracer or 1000TriTracer. BTW, which one you got exactly - simply 600 or 600MkII? To work on the deck you better get the Service Manual. I have one, so, if necessary, I can fax it to you gradually. Unfortunately, I can't make a scan now. I used to own a couple of 600's myself, so feel free to contact me offline if you feel like it. Just curious, where did you get the belt and tires from? Does it run slow even after the replacement of parts? Best Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: dwiesnoski [SMTP:dwiesnoski at attbi.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 8:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 > > I've recently joined the Nak family (and naktalk list). I've enjoyed > learning about these fine machines firsthand. > > I'm in the process of overhauling an ebay purchased 600 - apparently not > one of Nakamichi's best loved units, but one that I like and want to get > running properly again. I'm looking for some technical help. > > The unit has some tape transport problems - it runs slow under load and > won't FF or RW properly. (BTW, Is there anything in the consumer > electronics category on ebay that is close to being represented accurately > - particularly in the cassette category?) > > I've replaced the belt and idler wheel tires. The pinch roller seems to be > okay. What would I check next? > > I know there are a number of excellent people who do good work with Nak > decks, but I'm interested in doing this myself. I feel you don't truly > appreciate any machine or product (Nak cassette, Porsche 911, a fine > woodworking project, etc.) unless you get dig in yourself. > > Anybody care to weigh in? > > Dennis Wiesnoski > Deerfield, IL ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Feb 17 19:45:45 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:45:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! References: Message-ID: <003f01c1b7e3$4faa61f0$1d756acf@johnrotten> Why would anybody want anything made by Bose? John ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: Naktalk Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Buy it now before its gone!!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333417137 lol Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 17 20:09:43 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:09:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! In-Reply-To: <003f01c1b7e3$4faa61f0$1d756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000601c1b7e6$a83e49a0$0c8287d9@a4s1s2> John May be it's a bit like falling from Paradise - you have to lose it to appreciate it.... Grasshopper -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 17 February 2002 06:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Why would anybody want anything made by Bose? John ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: Naktalk Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Buy it now before its gone!!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333417137 lol Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Feb 17 20:31:40 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:31:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! References: <000601c1b7e6$a83e49a0$0c8287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00c101c1b7e9$b9dbb050$1d756acf@johnrotten> I stopped in to a Bose showroom about a year ago and had them demo. the best they had. Awful, just awful sound and prices to match. Sorry Dr. Bose. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! John May be it's a bit like falling from Paradise - you have to lose it to appreciate it.... Grasshopper -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 17 February 2002 06:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Why would anybody want anything made by Bose? John ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: Naktalk Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] E-bay must-have! Buy it now before its gone!!! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333417137 lol Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 17 20:51:24 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:51:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool Message-ID: <01C1B7EE.17378AE0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I guess Graham will be back in the market for speakers soon if he follows Stephen's advice :) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Saturday, 16 February, 2002 23:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool The phase rings are the metal rings suspended in front of each dome. You have to carefully extract the glued-in rubber retainer rings from around the metal screens, then remove the screens, and them just unscrew the rings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool > Stephen > > So far .... I love 'em! The cost me equivalent of about $840. They're > pretty ugly, of course, and I'm sure my wife will kill me when she sees > them! But they sound treeeeemendoussss! > > The dealer threw in a pair of (admittedly second hand) stands that take them > about 1' off the floor. They're a bit higher than that as I presently have > them on decorative concrete paving slabs. May try them off those ... or > even on them without the stands, tilted, as you suggest. > > There's the odd scratch and chip on the cabinet but nothing serious, most of > it easily hidden with a felt tip pen, I would think. > > Phase rings? You know I'm an ignoramus when it comes to the technical side! > What am I looking for? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 16 February 2002 10:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a > dealer in Liverpool > > > I think you'll love the NS1000's(whichever version they are). I've > personally owned NS-200M, NS-500M & last had NS2000's, which I would still > have, in addition to my own speakers, had they not burned in a fire five > years ago. The 1000 & 2000 models had 30micron thick, vapor-deposited, pure > beyllium dome tweeter & midrange, with formerless, flat-wound voice coils > for absolutely no wasted mass. Stunningly low distortion. If I could get > those tweeters today, I'd use them in my speakers. If you buy them, and > you're a fool if you don't, as long as they're less than =$800-1000 & in > good working order, do yourself a favor & remove the "phase rings" from the > mids & tweets. Makes them even smoother. For stands, they like to be only > about a foot off the ground & tilted back 10 -15 degrees, and the stands > should be massive(or a stack of bricks) & on spikes. But they also sound > great right on the floor with about 1" of paperback books under the front of > each one for tilt. This is how I ran my 2000's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer > in Liverpool > > > > ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... > > > > Graham > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Feb 17 21:37:20 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:37:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II Message-ID: <01C1B7F2.EA4BF660.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I have now PROPERLY joined the club, with the acquisition of a lovely Nak 700 II which I bought from Mr Steve Burger of the SeaTac area in the US. I received a 10+ page colour brochure with the machine. I am happy to scan this, put it on a CD and give it to the Naks.com administrator - could I have details of how to do this, please? Could you also let me have details of how to access the existing database of manuals? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pfonta at bluewin.ch Sun Feb 17 22:15:28 2002 From: pfonta at bluewin.ch (pfonta) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:15:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Message-ID: <3C701D70.80504@bluewin.ch> Hi evrybody, As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following : It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut "edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about this problem and how to resolve it ? Thanks pfonta ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 17 22:52:15 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:52:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II In-Reply-To: <01C1B7F2.EA4BF660.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000301c1b7fd$5d0804a0$fdaa87d9@a4s1s2> Congratulations, John! Nice one, mate! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 17 February 2002 08:37 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 II I have now PROPERLY joined the club, with the acquisition of a lovely Nak 700 II which I bought from Mr Steve Burger of the SeaTac area in the US. I received a 10+ page colour brochure with the machine. I am happy to scan this, put it on a CD and give it to the Naks.com administrator - could I have details of how to do this, please? Could you also let me have details of how to access the existing database of manuals? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 17 22:52:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:52:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon In-Reply-To: <3C701D70.80504@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <000401c1b7fd$5df300e0$fdaa87d9@a4s1s2> That reminds me ... Q: Why did the cowardly dragon observe the Sabbath? A: He only ate weak knights -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of pfonta Sent: 17 February 2002 09:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hi evrybody, As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following : It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut "edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about this problem and how to resolve it ? Thanks pfonta --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Feb 17 22:52:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:52:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool In-Reply-To: <01C1B7EE.17378AE0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000201c1b7fd$5a595f60$fdaa87d9@a4s1s2> John Hey! You must have seen me at work with a screwdriver before, then, John! May be you went to my school: As a kid, when I walked into the school metal work shop all the tools would shake with fear ... "For heaven's sake, don't let him near me!!!" screamed the lathe. "Look what he did to my gear wheel last time he dropped a nut inside my motor and tried to take me apart to get at it ...I couldn't work for 6 weeks afterwards!" G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 17 February 2002 07:51 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool I guess Graham will be back in the market for speakers soon if he follows Stephen's advice :) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Saturday, 16 February, 2002 23:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool The phase rings are the metal rings suspended in front of each dome. You have to carefully extract the glued-in rubber retainer rings from around the metal screens, then remove the screens, and them just unscrew the rings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer in Liverpool > Stephen > > So far .... I love 'em! The cost me equivalent of about $840. They're > pretty ugly, of course, and I'm sure my wife will kill me when she sees > them! But they sound treeeeemendoussss! > > The dealer threw in a pair of (admittedly second hand) stands that take them > about 1' off the floor. They're a bit higher than that as I presently have > them on decorative concrete paving slabs. May try them off those ... or > even on them without the stands, tilted, as you suggest. > > There's the odd scratch and chip on the cabinet but nothing serious, most of > it easily hidden with a felt tip pen, I would think. > > Phase rings? You know I'm an ignoramus when it comes to the technical side! > What am I looking for? > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 16 February 2002 10:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a > dealer in Liverpool > > > I think you'll love the NS1000's(whichever version they are). I've > personally owned NS-200M, NS-500M & last had NS2000's, which I would still > have, in addition to my own speakers, had they not burned in a fire five > years ago. The 1000 & 2000 models had 30micron thick, vapor-deposited, pure > beyllium dome tweeter & midrange, with formerless, flat-wound voice coils > for absolutely no wasted mass. Stunningly low distortion. If I could get > those tweeters today, I'd use them in my speakers. If you buy them, and > you're a fool if you don't, as long as they're less than =$800-1000 & in > good working order, do yourself a favor & remove the "phase rings" from the > mids & tweets. Makes them even smoother. For stands, they like to be only > about a foot off the ground & tilted back 10 -15 degrees, and the stands > should be massive(or a stack of bricks) & on spikes. But they also sound > great right on the floor with about 1" of paperback books under the front of > each one for tilt. This is how I ran my 2000's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 7:12 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Off to audition a pair of Yamaha NS1000s @ a dealer > in Liverpool > > > > ... going cheap-ish (for a dealer) .... > > > > Graham > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.323 / Virus Database: 180 - Release Date: 08/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Feb 17 23:33:40 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:33:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon References: <000401c1b7fd$5df300e0$fdaa87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00f001c1b803$2a05f250$1d756acf@johnrotten> Once a King always a King Once a Knight is never enough! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon > That reminds me ... > > Q: Why did the cowardly dragon observe the Sabbath? > A: He only ate weak knights > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > pfonta > Sent: 17 February 2002 09:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon > > > Hi evrybody, > > As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. > > So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following : > It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during > the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut > "edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about > this problem and how to resolve it ? > > Thanks > > pfonta > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pfonta at bluewin.ch Sun Feb 17 23:48:50 2002 From: pfonta at bluewin.ch (pfonta) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:48:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon References: <000401c1b7fd$5df300e0$fdaa87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C703352.7050804@bluewin.ch> ...on reverse side only Graham Nelson wrote: >That reminds me ... > >Q: Why did the cowardly dragon observe the Sabbath? >A: He only ate weak knights > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >pfonta >Sent: 17 February 2002 09:15 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Dragon > > > Hi evrybody, > >As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. > >So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following : >It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during >the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut >"edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about >this problem and how to resolve it ? > >Thanks > >pfonta > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley wrote: >Once a King always a King >Once a Knight is never enough! > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Nelson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:52 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon > > >>That reminds me ... >> >>Q: Why did the cowardly dragon observe the Sabbath? >>A: He only ate weak knights >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>pfonta >>Sent: 17 February 2002 09:15 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon >> >> >> Hi evrybody, >> >>As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. >> >>So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following >> >: > >>It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during >>the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut >>"edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about >>this problem and how to resolve it ? >> >>Thanks >> >>pfonta >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Feb 18 01:32:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:32:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon References: <000401c1b7fd$5df300e0$fdaa87d9@a4s1s2> <00f001c1b803$2a05f250$1d756acf@johnrotten> <3C70348D.4050705@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <06bb01c1b813$cfc3f560$0d3442cf@sank1> Responded privately to the Dragon problem, in case y'all were wondering. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "pfonta" To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon > ...or the dragon is not the one I thought > > John M. Tooley wrote: > > >Once a King always a King > >Once a Knight is never enough! > > > >John > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Graham Nelson" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 4:52 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon > > > > > >>That reminds me ... > >> > >>Q: Why did the cowardly dragon observe the Sabbath? > >>A: He only ate weak knights > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>pfonta > >>Sent: 17 February 2002 09:15 PM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: [naktalk] Dragon > >> > >> > >> Hi evrybody, > >> > >>As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. > >> > >>So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following > >> > >: > > > >>It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during > >>the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut > >>"edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about > >>this problem and how to resolve it ? > >> > >>Thanks > >> > >>pfonta > >> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >resource. > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Feb 18 01:37:04 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:37:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 References: <004d01c1b7d6$0ae74ea0$5f8af90c@attbi.com> Message-ID: <06c401c1b814$641a81c0$0d3442cf@sank1> It sounds like you will need to overhaul the drive motor, which is a common need on 600's. This means carefully extracting & disassembling the motor, polishing the bearing areas of the top & lower shafts, polishing & possibly grinding level the commutator surfaces(the part that the brushes contact), polishing the brush surfaces, then lubing & reassembling the motor. Done well, this will cure the motor about 95 percent of the time. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwiesnoski" To: Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 I've recently joined the Nak family (and naktalk list). I've enjoyed learning about these fine machines firsthand. I'm in the process of overhauling an ebay purchased 600 - apparently not one of Nakamichi's best loved units, but one that I like and want to get running properly again. I'm looking for some technical help. The unit has some tape transport problems - it runs slow under load and won't FF or RW properly. (BTW, Is there anything in the consumer electronics category on ebay that is close to being represented accurately - particularly in the cassette category?) I've replaced the belt and idler wheel tires. The pinch roller seems to be okay. What would I check next? I know there are a number of excellent people who do good work with Nak decks, but I'm interested in doing this myself. I feel you don't truly appreciate any machine or product (Nak cassette, Porsche 911, a fine woodworking project, etc.) unless you get dig in yourself. Anybody care to weigh in? Dennis Wiesnoski Deerfield, IL ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Feb 18 01:55:43 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 07:55:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon References: <3C701D70.80504@bluewin.ch> Message-ID: <002901c1b817$11d1b840$4e289bca@smarzuki> Congratulations ! You just owned the most technologically advanced deck on earth .... unfortunately, you also get potentially advanced headache when those technology went wrong. You've found the right place, and looks like you're from .ch - the land of nakamikaze, where good help is closeby in geneve. :-) I'm sure 'the techies' and our guru will soon help you on this problem, in the meantime, please check the black swiveling tape guide attached on right hand pinch rollers. Make sure a small spring is attached to it and that the guide can snap back or rotate freely without hesitating / delay (which could get 'stuck' if the deck was rarely used in reverse mode previously). It's very rare to find severely misaligned or misshaped head in a dragon, say about one in a 1000 ... and i've taken the 'one' portion. In any case, clean the heads / rollers thoroughly and listen if you frequently hear clicking noise inside (azimuth out of range). Good luck and happy nakking, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: pfonta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hi evrybody, As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following : It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut "edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about this problem and how to resolve it ? Thanks pfonta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Feb 18 04:29:45 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:29:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 References: <004d01c1b7d6$0ae74ea0$5f8af90c@attbi.com> <06c401c1b814$641a81c0$0d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C707527.64AC76@snet.net> I agree completely. I've had a couple of 500's, a 600, and most recently a 250 portable that have all needed motor rebuilds. So far my success rate has been 100% and it is not a difficult job at all once you get the hang of it. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > It sounds like you will need to overhaul the drive motor, which is a common > need on 600's. This means carefully extracting & disassembling the motor, > polishing the bearing areas of the top & lower shafts, polishing & possibly > grinding level the commutator surfaces(the part that the brushes contact), > polishing the brush surfaces, then lubing & reassembling the motor. Done > well, this will cure the motor about 95 percent of the time. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dwiesnoski" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] overhauling a 600 > > I've recently joined the Nak family (and naktalk list). I've enjoyed > learning about these fine machines firsthand. > > I'm in the process of overhauling an ebay purchased 600 - apparently not one > of Nakamichi's best loved units, but one that I like and want to get running > properly again. I'm looking for some technical help. > > The unit has some tape transport problems - it runs slow under load and > won't FF or RW properly. (BTW, Is there anything in the consumer > electronics category on ebay that is close to being represented accurately - > particularly in the cassette category?) > > I've replaced the belt and idler wheel tires. The pinch roller seems to be > okay. What would I check next? > > I know there are a number of excellent people who do good work with Nak > decks, but I'm interested in doing this myself. I feel you don't truly > appreciate any machine or product (Nak cassette, Porsche 911, a fine > woodworking project, etc.) unless you get dig in yourself. > > Anybody care to weigh in? > > Dennis Wiesnoski > Deerfield, IL > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Feb 18 04:17:06 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:47:06 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Message-ID: <005901c1b82a$bf099ce0$42d60192@vsnl> Dragons have their black periods and would require a bit of Sanktification to get it back to normal beastly behavior! look at the link below - another one requiring attention. Still Dragon is a Dragon - fantastic play back machine. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1333778319 Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, February 18, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon Congratulations ! You just owned the most technologically advanced deck on earth .... unfortunately, you also get potentially advanced headache when those technology went wrong. You've found the right place, and looks like you're from .ch - the land of nakamikaze, where good help is closeby in geneve. :-) I'm sure 'the techies' and our guru will soon help you on this problem, in the meantime, please check the black swiveling tape guide attached on right hand pinch rollers. Make sure a small spring is attached to it and that the guide can snap back or rotate freely without hesitating / delay (which could get 'stuck' if the deck was rarely used in reverse mode previously). It's very rare to find severely misaligned or misshaped head in a dragon, say about one in a 1000 ... and i've taken the 'one' portion. In any case, clean the heads / rollers thoroughly and listen if you frequently hear clicking noise inside (azimuth out of range). Good luck and happy nakking, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: pfonta To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon Hi evrybody, As I'm a new Nakamichi owner and a new Nak talker, I greet you all. So, I acquired a Dragon recently, and it has a little problem as following : It "eats" cassettes as I'm using the reverse feature. As it does during the azimut adjustment, I think it could come from a tuning azimut "edges" upset. Or maybe it's somtehing else. Does anyone knows about this problem and how to resolve it ? Thanks pfonta -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used the altavista translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick some up for us.......... Here it is http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >Hi Eknath, > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Feb 19 00:26:48 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:26:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CDA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000701c1b8d3$bd92a880$556423c8@g8nsv> You can count me on if anything happens with this Tom Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Hi all, > > What is the latest on the Sony MM. Is there a likely chance that we can all put our money in and order a whole bunch of these tapes? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stanley P. Pickens [mailto:jazzisjazz at mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 11:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Guys, > > After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be > offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista > translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could > some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a > quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease > the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick > some up for us.......... > > Here it is > > http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > >Hi Eknath, > > > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 19 01:15:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:15:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mint CR7E In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CDA@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000b01c1b8da$8a043f40$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> If anyone's interested, the dealer in Liverpool where I bought the Yamaha speakers has a mint condition CR7E in stock reduced to £800. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 19 01:15:27 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:15:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <000701c1b8d3$bd92a880$556423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <000a01c1b8da$88a54b80$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> Me too. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isy Fidelman Sent: 18 February 2002 11:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES You can count me on if anything happens with this Tom Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Hi all, > > What is the latest on the Sony MM. Is there a likely chance that we can all put our money in and order a whole bunch of these tapes? > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stanley P. Pickens [mailto:jazzisjazz at mindspring.com] > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 11:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Guys, > > After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be > offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista > translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could > some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if a > quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease > the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick > some up for us.......... > > Here it is > > http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > >Hi Eknath, > > > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are from? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Mon Feb 18 15:47:23 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 06:47:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <000a01c1b8da$88a54b80$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003501c1b88b$2d6f0520$0da2f5d1@maincomputer> Me too ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 4:15 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Me too. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Isy Fidelman > Sent: 18 February 2002 11:27 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > You can count me on if anything happens with this Tom > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 5:44 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > Hi all, > > > > What is the latest on the Sony MM. Is there a likely chance that we can > all put our money in and order a whole bunch of these tapes? > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stanley P. Pickens [mailto:jazzisjazz at mindspring.com] > > Sent: Monday, 21 January 2002 11:20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > Guys, > > > > After a bit of searching I found a link to a page which seems to be > > offering c-60 sony metal masters for us$ 1.20/ each. I used the altavista > > translator from german but the price seemed to be in french francs. Could > > some one check it out to see if i have the information correct and see if > a > > quantity is available for to make some sort of a group purchase and ease > > the cost of shipping or if anyone has a travelling friend who could pick > > some up for us.......... > > > > Here it is > > > > > http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > > > >Hi Eknath, > > > > > > Any chance you know which area in Greece these cassettes are > from? > > > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Feb 19 04:16:02 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:16:02 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <000a01c1b8da$88a54b80$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> <003501c1b88b$2d6f0520$0da2f5d1@maincomputer> Message-ID: <000901c1b8f3$c33b4650$64fbb440@pii366custom> Re: the Sony Metal Masters 60 Min: According to the currency translation site http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi 8.90 DM = USD $3.95. Pretty good price. Count me in if anyone decides to buy any. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ts140 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 05:11:25 2002 From: ts140 at yahoo.com (Tim S.) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 20:11:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 opinions Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020218200832.00b15910@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Newbie here, I have a pair of DR-1 for my point of reference. What is your general opinions on the ZX-7 and what kind of recording and playback sound am i going to get in general and compared to a DR-1 if you know. Finally any specific problem areas with this model? All your info is appreciated. Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 19 07:41:28 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:41:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 opinions References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020218200832.00b15910@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000e01c1b910$96b76060$b3299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tim, In short, "buy !" :-) Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think there's any user adjustable bias & level on DR1, which is quite important for recording purposes. ZX has full manual record adjustment and imho like other older naks sounds 'richer' + warmer than current models (despite the similar specs i'm sure you'll be surprised). On the other hand DR1 has a very convenient azimuth trim for playback (which available only on auto-dragon, cr7 and cass deck1), so it would be nice to have the dr for playback and zx for record. Built quality is first class and the only problems so far are orange capacitors - which by now almost positively needs to be replaced ... and previous-adventurous-owners ! Those sticking large head height thumbscrews are so tempting to be twisted and damn difficult to get it back to correct position ... it should've been 'password protected' ! Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim S. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 opinions Newbie here, I have a pair of DR-1 for my point of reference. What is your general opinions on the ZX-7 and what kind of recording and playback sound am i going to get in general and compared to a DR-1 if you know. Finally any specific problem areas with this model? All your info is appreciated. Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I think that a couple of days ago I noticed a msg from a new member to the list with a .ch address - maybe he could help ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Roland Alford" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:16:02 -0800 Re: the Sony Metal Masters 60 Min: According to the currency translation site http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi 8.90 DM = USD $3.95. Pretty good price. Count me in if anyone decides to buy any. --Roland _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Feb 19 09:04:12 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 00:04:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Second Try... References: Message-ID: <000801c1b91c$044c0bc0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Sorry about the error. I saw German writing and immediately assumed DM. Didn't look at the "FR". 8.90 Swiss Franc (CHF) = 5.23375 US Dollar (USD) http://www.oanda.com/ Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Feb 19 08:46:02 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:16:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 opinions Message-ID: <001b01c1b919$7bb895a0$42d60192@vsnl> Salim and ofcourse Tim The major difference is the Mechanism of these two decks. ZX7 has old Nak transport - really a worthwhile and fantastic reliability. My 582 works fine aftr may be 16 -17 years. I doubt Dr1 will do that? Actual wow & flutter figure will be better in ZX7 than Dr1. ZX7 has the following - any tape can be recorded with adjustable bias/ level & better electronics. I would prefer ZX7 over DR1 anyday Kannan. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 opinions Hi Tim, In short, "buy !" :-) Correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't think there's any user adjustable bias & level on DR1, which is quite important for recording purposes. ZX has full manual record adjustment and imho like other older naks sounds 'richer' + warmer than current models (despite the similar specs i'm sure you'll be surprised). On the other hand DR1 has a very convenient azimuth trim for playback (which available only on auto-dragon, cr7 and cass deck1), so it would be nice to have the dr for playback and zx for record. Built quality is first class and the only problems so far are orange capacitors - which by now almost positively needs to be replaced ... and previous-adventurous-owners ! Those sticking large head height thumbscrews are so tempting to be twisted and damn difficult to get it back to correct position ... it should've been 'password protected' ! Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim S. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 opinions Newbie here, I have a pair of DR-1 for my point of reference. What is your general opinions on the ZX-7 and what kind of recording and playback sound am i going to get in general and compared to a DR-1 if you know. Finally any specific problem areas with this model? All your info is appreciated. Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Feb 19 11:06:06 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:06:06 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Second Try... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CDF@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Sounds like a great idea Roland. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 7:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Second Try... Sorry about the error. I saw German writing and immediately assumed DM. Didn't look at the "FR". 8.90 Swiss Franc (CHF) = 5.23375 US Dollar (USD) http://www.oanda.com/ Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I see they've put it in a group picture with a RX-505, a B-215 and what looks like a BX-300, but I can't see it that well. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Igritski Nick Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" Subject: [naktalk] Optonica Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 15:45:39 +0300 Guys, just check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334030049&tc=photo47 84 What the .... is this? Stephen, have you ever had an experience of using that beast? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From taiyosan at aaahawk.com Tue Feb 19 16:39:20 2002 From: taiyosan at aaahawk.com (Taiyo Lipscomb) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:39:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RX-202 Manual In-Reply-To: <200202190856.JAA00368@zebra.naks.com> References: <200202190856.JAA00368@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Am still searching for a RX-202 Manual; does anyone have a manual they could copy for me and i'd happily pay the copying and shipping cost. Have been using the Nak for a week now and it seems to be doing fine. It does need a tune-up as the transport, particularly in reverse, is a bit noisier then i think it should be (but i've never owned an RX...so maybe it is normally that way). Do any of you owning a RX-202 have any tidbits you'd throw in this direction? Any advice? Thanks, Taiyo Oh, someone may actually have commented upon my request and i just missed it as i was away for a while ... sorry if i'm causing someone a bit of extra work - i'll pay close attention to naktalk this week. T ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Feb 19 11:48:17 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:48:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F597E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <3C722D70.39E5EC6F@rcn.com> There was no mention of a User's (let alone, Service) manual. I hate to think what would happen if anything went wrong on any of these ten jam packed PCBs. -- Ron Igritski Nick wrote: > Guys, > > just check this one out! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334030049&tc=photo47 > 84 > > What the .... is this? > > Stephen, have you ever had an experience of using that beast? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Count me in if anyone decides to buy any. > >--Roland > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 5:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] Optonica > Guys, > > just check this one out! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334030049&tc=photo47 > 84 > > What the .... is this? > > Stephen, have you ever had an experience of using that beast? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Tue Feb 19 20:28:07 2002 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:28:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica In-Reply-To: <004d01c1b978$cb2813e0$8d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: I know the dealer. They had that deck in their old showroom for over a year, and it's been about a year since they moved out...there it still sits. Their RX505, same story. When I was in the market for one, I made a reasonable offer for theirs, they wanted $650. I paid $330 for mine and it is every bit as perfect. That optonical deck just looks like trouble... Alex Cagann > Yes, that deck is even more terrifying a piece of crap than it appears to > be. Don't even THINK about buying it & asking me to work on it! ;-) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Feb 19 20:58:56 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 14:58:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica In-Reply-To: <004d01c1b978$cb2813e0$8d3442cf@sank1> References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F597E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020219145655.042ebc60@mail.verizon.net> C'mon, Steve.. What do you REALLY think? ________________ Marc Stager =============================== 2/19/02, you wrote: >Yes, that deck is even more terrifying a piece of crap >than it appears to be. Don't even THINK about buying >it & asking me to work on it! ;-) > >Stephen Sank, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Feb 19 22:04:20 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 08:04:20 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CE1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Nick, If I can put my two cents worth in here, I think that Optonica products break down too often. I used to have an Optonica digital tuner and it always gave me trouble. I'll never buy Optonica again. God help the poor soul who would have to repair this unit. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Igritski Nick [mailto:Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 11:46 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Optonica Importance: High Guys, just check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334030049&tc=photo47 84 What the .... is this? Stephen, have you ever had an experience of using that beast? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Take care, SJ --- emmett wrote: > hi scott i was wondering if you could send me the > zx-9 manual my > address is : > > Emmett Chaisson > 378 Adelaide Avenue West > Oshawa Ontario > Canada L1J 2R6 > > I will pay for the expense of shipping it to me, > just let me know the cost > thanks alot emmett > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Johnson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:14 PM > Subject: Re: Fw: [naktalk] Nak ZX9 sold for 1000 > > > >I have one I can photocopy or you. Send me your > >address off Naktalk > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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Send me your >> >address off Naktalk >> > >> >__________________________________________________ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >> >http://auctions.yahoo.com >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> ======== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial >> Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> ======== >> > >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial >> Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Wed Feb 20 06:18:09 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 01:18:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <000a01c1b8da$88a54b80$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> <003501c1b88b$2d6f0520$0da2f5d1@maincomputer> <000901c1b8f3$c33b4650$64fbb440@pii366custom> Message-ID: <013301c1b9cd$fcda8c60$126523c8@g8nsv> I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Re: the Sony Metal Masters 60 Min: According to the currency translation > site http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi 8.90 DM = USD $3.95. > > Pretty good price. Count me in if anyone decides to buy any. > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Wed Feb 20 11:44:40 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 13:44:40 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5984@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Yeah, Stephen, what's so bad about it indeed? Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc Stager [SMTP:Marc at Stager.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Optonica > > C'mon, Steve.. > > What do you REALLY think? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =============================== > > 2/19/02, you wrote: > > >Yes, that deck is even more terrifying a piece of crap > >than it appears to be. Don't even THINK about buying > >it & asking me to work on it! ;-) > > > >Stephen Sank, > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed Feb 20 17:20:00 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 11:20:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <013301c1b9cd$fcda8c60$126523c8@g8nsv> References: <000a01c1b8da$88a54b80$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> <003501c1b88b$2d6f0520$0da2f5d1@maincomputer> <000901c1b8f3$c33b4650$64fbb440@pii366custom> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020220110854.01f61af0@mail.verizon.net> At 2/20/02, you wrote: >I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... > >Isy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Alford" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Feb 20 17:41:11 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 09:41:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5984@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <021901c1ba2d$689d04a0$8d3442cf@sank1> All Optonica(Sharp) audio products were of marginal quality at best, and the tape decks in particular had extremely poor reliability, due to mediocre mechanical & electronic design. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 3:44 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Optonica > Yeah, Stephen, what's so bad about it indeed? > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Marc Stager [SMTP:Marc at Stager.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:59 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Optonica > > > > C'mon, Steve.. > > > > What do you REALLY think? > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > =============================== > > > > 2/19/02, you wrote: > > > > >Yes, that deck is even more terrifying a piece of crap > > >than it appears to be. Don't even THINK about buying > > >it & asking me to work on it! ;-) > > > > > >Stephen Sank, > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 20 18:01:58 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:01:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: I frankly cannot understand why a merchant, Swiss, American, Gringo, Martian or otherwise, who is worth his salt and is in the mail order business, must specify that he can't ship overseas or out of the country. Many of these outfits should simply state that when it comes to shipping, "caveat emptor", that they will only consider insured airmail and will package the goods appropriately, and at the buyers cost. They can even require a signed disclaimer from the buyer to be faxed back to them so that they have a hard copy of the risk that you as buyer are entitled to take. Cheers, Marc >>> Marc at Stager.com 02/20/02 06:20PM >>> At 2/20/02, you wrote: >I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... > >Isy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Alford" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 20 18:25:55 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 12:25:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <000a01c1b8da$88a54b80$2c8f87d9@a4s1s2> <003501c1b88b$2d6f0520$0da2f5d1@maincomputer> <000901c1b8f3$c33b4650$64fbb440@pii366custom> <5.1.0.14.2.20020220110854.01f61af0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <006401c1ba33$a7d8db70$44756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual members, a chore in itself. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES At 2/20/02, you wrote: I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Feb 20 21:53:55 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 07:53:55 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CE8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be interested in at least two. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual members, a chore in itself. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES At 2/20/02, you wrote: I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" < roleo at telus.net > To: < naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail &ArtikelNr= M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Feb 20 22:51:30 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:51:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: John, It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; looks like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does not go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for 12-15 tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, presently. ;-) Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal particle tape, not heavy-metal music! Kent >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be interested in at least two. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual members, a chore in itself. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES At 2/20/02, you wrote: I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 20 23:40:41 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 17:40:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <00cb01c1ba5f$a1f211a0$10756acf@johnrotten> Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334369978 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334368513 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334367603 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334366648 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334365992 John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Feb 20 23:50:56 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:50:56 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark - I do not think this is an exception. CDW is one of the biggest Computer retailers in America. Try buying anything from CDW if you live outside of the United States. My sister tried to buy a laptop from CDW in the US from Poland. She wanted to pay for the computer using her Visa with Warsaw billing address, and having it shipped to that address in Warsaw. CDW refused to do it, stating that they were unable to export the goods. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Wed, February 20, 2002 11:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; Marc at Stager.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I frankly cannot understand why a merchant, Swiss, American, Gringo, Martian or otherwise, who is worth his salt and is in the mail order business, must specify that he can't ship overseas or out of the country. Many of these outfits should simply state that when it comes to shipping, "caveat emptor", that they will only consider insured airmail and will package the goods appropriately, and at the buyers cost. They can even require a signed disclaimer from the buyer to be faxed back to them so that they have a hard copy of the risk that you as buyer are entitled to take. Cheers, Marc >>> Marc at Stager.com 02/20/02 06:20PM >>> At 2/20/02, you wrote: >I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... > >Isy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Alford" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Feb 21 01:02:27 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:02:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <00cb01c1ba5f$a1f211a0$10756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001001c1ba6b$0fac4660$cb6623c8@g8nsv> I am sure they will look great at a Nak reel but US$400 for hubs.....C'mon!!!!! It sounds as ridiculous as the US$300 someone paid a year ago for a Nak manual....do you remember that guys??? Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334369978 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334368513 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334367603 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334366648 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334365992 John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 01:17:38 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:17:38 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: Yes, please count me in. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Feb 21 01:13:15 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: Message-ID: <002101c1ba6c$8fa9f8c0$cb6623c8@g8nsv> I would like 10 for me if possible John. And thanks for this effort....I'll guess I'll wait for the total amount to send the money :-) Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES John, It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; looks like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does not go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for 12-15 tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, presently. ;-) Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal particle tape, not heavy-metal music! Kent >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be interested in at least two. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual members, a chore in itself. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES At 2/20/02, you wrote: I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. Good luck, ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Thu Feb 21 01:28:02 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:28:02 EST Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <16e.9274bcd.29a59912@aol.com> In a message dated 2/20/2002 4:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! >> Good question, does anyone on this list know why Nakamichi didn't produce a R2R? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 21 01:22:46 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:22:46 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CF1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I guess this is price is over the top. Did someone really pay THAT much for a Nak manual, I guess it's like BMW selling that "special" oil for 100% more than it is really worth. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Isy Fidelman [mailto:fidelman at telcel.net.ve] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 11:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I am sure they will look great at a Nak reel but US$400 for hubs.....C'mon!!!!! It sounds as ridiculous as the US$300 someone paid a year ago for a Nak manual....do you remember that guys??? Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1334369978 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1334368513 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1334367603 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1334366648 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1334365992 John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu Feb 21 01:31:29 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:31:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <001001c1ba6b$0fac4660$cb6623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <000d01c1ba6f$1acdddc0$5900a8c0@john> I would have to aggree on that one though. About 1 year ago I purchased qty. two pro-hub sets from a gentleman in Switzerland (I live in California). Even w/ shipping (took a while to get to me) I paid about $120 dollars a pair. These were brand spankin' new hubs in the box. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isy Fidelman Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 4:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I am sure they will look great at a Nak reel but US$400 for hubs.....C'mon!!!!! It sounds as ridiculous as the US$300 someone paid a year ago for a Nak manual....do you remember that guys??? Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334369978 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334368513 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334367603 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334366648 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334365992 John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 21 01:37:22 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 16:37:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CF1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20020221003722.38747.qmail@web13105.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry for continuing this off topic discussion and taking it even further off topic. I found out that I can buy BMW's High Performance Synthetic oil from the dealer for less than Mobil 1 at the local auto parts store. SJ --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > I guess this is price is over the top. Did someone > really pay THAT much for a Nak manual, I guess it's > like BMW selling that "special" oil for 100% more > than it is really worth. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Isy Fidelman [mailto:fidelman at telcel.net.ve] > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 11:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > I am sure they will look great at a Nak reel but > US$400 for hubs.....C'mon!!!!! > It sounds as ridiculous as the US$300 someone paid a > year ago for a Nak manual....do you remember that > guys??? > > Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:40 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel > to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on > it, especially the black ones! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=1334369978 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=1334368513 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=1334367603 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=1334366648 > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem > > &item=1334365992 > > John > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 21 01:38:48 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:38:48 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CF3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I think they made one in the 50's. I remember reading a VERY brief discription of it on http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/%7Ekohno/nak-source.html It was made in 1957 and was called the Fidera. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 11:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC In a message dated 2/20/2002 4:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! >> Good question, does anyone on this list know why Nakamichi didn't produce a R2R? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 21 01:58:00 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:58:00 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] !/2 " open reel tape. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CF6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Sorry for another off topic. I have 3 3M (Scotch) 1/2" open reel tape to give away for nothing (two in metal reels and on pancake). If anyone is interested please reply to my private email address. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 21 03:24:50 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:24:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CF3@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <02f201c1ba7e$f1258c60$8d3442cf@sank1> I'd had no prior knowledge of it, but twice now I have seen a reel deck branded "Oki" that has circuit boards clearly labeled "Nakamichi" inside. Appeared to be a mid '60's piece. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > I think they made one in the 50's. I remember reading a VERY brief discription of it on > > http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/%7Ekohno/nak-source.html > > It was made in 1957 and was called the Fidera. > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: SBarr12393 at aol.com [mailto:SBarr12393 at aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 11:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC > > > In a message dated 2/20/2002 4:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These > hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! >> > > Good question, does anyone on this list know why Nakamichi didn't produce a > R2R? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From TRANSPLATA at aol.com Thu Feb 21 04:02:57 2002 From: TRANSPLATA at aol.com (TRANSPLATA at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:02:57 EST Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Message-ID: Are these hubs knockoffs? Thanks, Jean-Pierre Bieri, Los Angeles ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Feb 21 04:47:01 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:47:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <16e.9274bcd.29a59912@aol.com> Message-ID: <3C746DB3.E3043426@snet.net> They did... sort of. If I'm not mistaken the original KLH open reel (which incidentally was the very first consumer deck to incorporate Dolby B) was made by Nakamichi... or at least the electronics. Interestingly, it was a terrible machine from a reliability standpoint. In fact, I don't think there there is any third party deck that was sourced from the early Nakamichi that was particularly good in any respect. Perhaps Nakamichi felt that they were forced to compromise (I know that Niro Nakamichi stated so with respect to the Advent 101) which would explain the desire to build their own machines, or the company had not matured to the level of quality that would make them world class. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/20/2002 4:44:23 PM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These > hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! >> > > Good question, does anyone on this list know why Nakamichi didn't produce a > R2R? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Thu Feb 21 05:05:06 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:05:06 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: I'd like to have 5 if possible. Thanks John for taking this effort. Vinod >From: "Isy Fidelman" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:15 -0400 > >I would like 10 for me if possible John. >And thanks for this effort....I'll guess I'll wait for the total amount to >send the money :-) > >Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > John, > > It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; looks >like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that >will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does not >go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for 12-15 >tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, >presently. > ;-) > > Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have >enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal >particle tape, not heavy-metal music! > > Kent > > > > > >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> > > That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be >interested in at least two. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface >Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual >members, a chore in itself. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Stager > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > At 2/20/02, you wrote: > > I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to >start.... > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > re: >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. > > 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars >per > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping >costs > if they could be sent here. > > 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. > > Good luck, > > ________________ Marc Stager _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Feb 21 06:27:59 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 21:27:59 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c1ba98$87c2a400$2772fea9@c994264g> I've been following this thread for a while, and I'm usually timid to pipe in among you to ask for some, but it seems that the 'regulars' are in concordance that this is the cassette tape to use in recording. If possible, I would like to purchase 6 myself to compare them to my TDK MA-X that I'm using now. And thank you to John, if you are the bearer of this group purchase. But, if I could get a little wisdom, if this quality type cassette is worth even using on the Nak DR-series? (mine is now a DR-10, but waiting to pounce on a ZX-7 or CR-7). Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Vinod Kumar Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I'd like to have 5 if possible. Thanks John for taking this effort. Vinod >From: "Isy Fidelman" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:15 -0400 > >I would like 10 for me if possible John. >And thanks for this effort....I'll guess I'll wait for the total amount to >send the money :-) > >Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > John, > > It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; looks >like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that >will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does not >go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for 12-15 >tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, >presently. > ;-) > > Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have >enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal >particle tape, not heavy-metal music! > > Kent > > > > > >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> > > That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be >interested in at least two. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface >Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual >members, a chore in itself. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Stager > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > At 2/20/02, you wrote: > > I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to >start.... > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > re: >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. > > 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars >per > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping >costs > if they could be sent here. > > 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. > > Good luck, > > ________________ Marc Stager _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Thu Feb 21 06:23:36 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 01:23:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365CF1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001301c1ba97$eaf16080$526423c8@g8nsv> Sure Tom!!! I remember it was Service Manual for the Nakamichi 1000ZXL Limited.... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I guess this is price is over the top. Did someone really pay THAT much for a Nak manual, I guess it's like BMW selling that "special" oil for 100% more than it is really worth. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Isy Fidelman [mailto:fidelman at telcel.net.ve] Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 11:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I am sure they will look great at a Nak reel but US$400 for hubs.....C'mon!!!!! It sounds as ridiculous as the US$300 someone paid a year ago for a Nak manual....do you remember that guys??? Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334369978 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334368513 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334367603 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334366648 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334365992 John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 21 14:11:39 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 08:11:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC References: <00cb01c1ba5f$a1f211a0$10756acf@johnrotten> <001001c1ba6b$0fac4660$cb6623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <009b01c1bad9$4ce91da0$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> The $400 is the "Must have" price. The reserve price is very much lower than that. These Hubs have always been very expensive. The last time I checked with the factory authorized dealer in TN. they, the plain Jane version, were $420.00 a pair. You could have a pair of these for almost half of that! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC I am sure they will look great at a Nak reel but US$400 for hubs.....C'mon!!!!! It sounds as ridiculous as the US$300 someone paid a year ago for a Nak manual....do you remember that guys??? Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 6:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC Isn't it a shame that Nakamichi didn't make a reel to reel deck. These hubs would have looked good on it, especially the black ones! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334369978 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334368513 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334367603 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334366648 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334365992 John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 21 18:53:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:53:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD In-Reply-To: <001c01c1ba98$87c2a400$2772fea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <000001c1bb00$b8a06cc0$9d71883e@a4s1s2> Anyone out there know the Quad 67 CD player? I'm not sure I can afford to buy right not (having been cleaned out by the Yamaha speakers) but I've just been offered an excellent Quad 67 owned by the present Quad designer. (Not sure if it's one of his designs.) Cost is £400. (They sold for around £880-£900 new about 5 or more years ago.) Does this sound like a reasonable buy or .... ?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Feb 21 19:11:01 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (erikvcl at silcom.com) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 10:11:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] Nakamichi Dragon CD Message-ID: Hi all, The Nakamichi Dragon CD recently appeared on Nakamichi's website. What do you all think of this beast? Is it worth the money? I saw one going for $6,000 US on Ebay. (!) Erik. -- Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer ELC Technologies 1532 State Street Suite C Santa Barbara, CA 93101 elotspeich at elctech.com (805) 884.8300 phn (805) 884.8339 fax http://www.elctech.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) only. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, forward, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 21 19:19:18 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 13:19:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD References: <000001c1bb00$b8a06cc0$9d71883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <012c01c1bb04$49586e40$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> $600 for a used CD Player, holy moly! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:53 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD > Anyone out there know the Quad 67 CD player? I'm not sure I can afford to > buy right not (having been cleaned out by the Yamaha speakers) but I've just > been offered an excellent Quad 67 owned by the present Quad designer. (Not > sure if it's one of his designs.) Cost is £400. (They sold for around > £880-£900 new about 5 or more years ago.) > Does this sound like a reasonable buy or .... ?? > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Feb 21 19:31:27 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:31:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <01C1BB08.33518EC0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I think you are right, Stan. It is the extra expense of exporting that put sellers off these transactions. As potential buyers, you should also beware of import duty and local sales taxes when the goods arrive in the US... John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, 20 February, 2002 22:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Mark - I do not think this is an exception. CDW is one of the biggest Computer retailers in America. Try buying anything from CDW if you live outside of the United States. My sister tried to buy a laptop from CDW in the US from Poland. She wanted to pay for the computer using her Visa with Warsaw billing address, and having it shipped to that address in Warsaw. CDW refused to do it, stating that they were unable to export the goods. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Wed, February 20, 2002 11:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com; Marc at Stager.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I frankly cannot understand why a merchant, Swiss, American, Gringo, Martian or otherwise, who is worth his salt and is in the mail order business, must specify that he can't ship overseas or out of the country. Many of these outfits should simply state that when it comes to shipping, "caveat emptor", that they will only consider insured airmail and will package the goods appropriately, and at the buyers cost. They can even require a signed disclaimer from the buyer to be faxed back to them so that they have a hard copy of the risk that you as buyer are entitled to take. Cheers, Marc >>> Marc at Stager.com 02/20/02 06:20PM >>> At 2/20/02, you wrote: >I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to start.... > >Isy >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Alford" >To: >Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES re: http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping costs if they could be sent here. 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. 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They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 21 20:23:03 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:23:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <001f01c1bb0b$05d89940$0e91ff3f@joedavis> Message-ID: <017c01c1bb0d$30632f20$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Joe, Sold. Say $35.00 for the four. John M. Tooley 8 Bangor Lane Milton, Delaware 19968-9626 Thank you, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. 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Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com A CCW permit is the government giving you their permission to do that which the Constitution prevents them from denying! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 21 22:07:42 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:07:42 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi John, I would like two C-60 please (only if the C-90's are not available). Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 22 February 2002 7:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 21 23:05:33 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 17:05:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001801c1bb23$e2a3a730$87756acf@johnrotten> Okay Tom. Where do you live? Address not needed yet until things start rolling. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Hi John, I would like two C-60 please (only if the C-90's are not available). Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 22 February 2002 7:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 21 23:19:16 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:19:16 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D09@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi John, I live in Australia. Tom. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 22 February 2002 9:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Okay Tom. Where do you live? Address not needed yet until things start rolling. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Hi John, I would like two C-60 please (only if the C-90's are not available). Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 22 February 2002 7:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vvinodk at hotmail.com Thu Feb 21 23:07:44 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:07:44 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: Thanks John... I need 5 of them. Doesn't matter if it is 60 or 90. Thanks Vinod >From: "John M. Tooley" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:15:38 -0500 > >Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these >cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to >check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > >Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many >C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > >John _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 00:37:14 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:37:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: Message-ID: <00da01c1bb30$b130e340$87756acf@johnrotten> Okay, noted. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Thanks John... I need 5 of them. Doesn't matter if it is 60 or 90. > > Thanks > > Vinod > > > >From: "John M. Tooley" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:15:38 -0500 > > > >Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these > >cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to > >check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > > > >Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many > >C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > > > >John > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From imemine2 at worldnet.att.net Fri Feb 22 02:30:58 2002 From: imemine2 at worldnet.att.net (J Chojnowski) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:30:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <01c701c1bb14$89037610$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C759F52.E5B2C354@worldnet.att.net> Thank You John for the effort. Please mark me down for 5 of these tapes. I must try these tapes because of the fuss they have generated. joe C - NJ > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of > these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked > him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > � > Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how > many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > � > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Feb 22 02:32:09 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:32:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001401c1bb41$089d9d20$d36623c8@g8nsv> Hi John!!! I'll have 8 90's and 2 60's.....if there is just one kind I'll have 10 of whateever you can find. And again....THANK YOU!!! Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Hi John, I would like two C-60 please (only if the C-90's are not available). Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 22 February 2002 7:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ts140 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 22 03:20:44 2002 From: ts140 at yahoo.com (Tim S.) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:20:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <001401c1bb41$089d9d20$d36623c8@g8nsv> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020221182007.02e61bc0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> I am down for 15 if you can get them. Thank you. Tim >Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these >cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to >check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > >Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how >many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > >John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 03:24:00 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:24:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <01c701c1bb14$89037610$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <3C759F52.E5B2C354@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: <000b01c1bb47$fdb2cc30$32756acf@johnrotten> Noted, thank you Joe. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Chojnowski" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Thank You John for the effort. Please mark me down for 5 of these > tapes. I must try these tapes because of the fuss they have generated. > > joe C - NJ > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of > > these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked > > him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > > > > Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how > > many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > > > > John > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 03:25:06 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:25:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <001401c1bb41$089d9d20$d36623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <001501c1bb48$24ebb0f0$32756acf@johnrotten> Noted, thank you Isy. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Hi John!!! I'll have 8 90's and 2 60's.....if there is just one kind I'll have 10 of whateever you can find. And again....THANK YOU!!! Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Hi John, I would like two C-60 please (only if the C-90's are not available). Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, 22 February 2002 7:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 03:33:44 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:33:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <4.3.2.7.2.20020221182007.02e61bc0@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002f01c1bb49$59854f00$32756acf@johnrotten> Noted, thank you Tim. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim S. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES I am down for 15 if you can get them. Thank you. Tim Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Feb 22 07:43:44 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:43:44 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question Message-ID: <9b.23386011.29a742a0@aol.com> Hi All, I wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question concerning the B215. The top controls (e.g., play, ff, stop) appear in pictures to be cheaply made. Are they solid and functional as the button controls found on better Naks? And, is anyone familiar with the large, black Struder tape deck featured in the eBay ad? I've never seen that model before, appears to be a professional model. Thank you in advance for your help with this inquiry. -Sam http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334025727 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Fri Feb 22 07:49:06 2002 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 01:49:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <01C1BB08.33518EC0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020222014344.00a246f0@mail.mindspring.com> Fellows, Below is a link to a page which lists basf metal maximas. Could some one please identify the native language, location of the dealer, and pricing in us currency ? http://www.acme.lt/kai/kai-aud.htm Thanks, Stan P. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Feb 22 07:55:04 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:55:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <4.2.2.20020222014344.00a246f0@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <000401c1bb6d$db3c5c40$64fbb440@pii366custom> Looks like it is from Lithuania. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Fri Feb 22 08:15:42 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:15:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Pure Audiophile LP Company is Born! Message-ID: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> I thought you all would enjoy this! -Sam http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1269 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Feb 22 09:16:13 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:16:13 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: Could you all pls continue with these arrangements off-list ? It's not much fun to wake up to 48 messages in your inbox, 30 of those being "5, please", "Noted, thank you", "8+2 please", etc. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John M. Tooley" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:24:00 -0500 Noted, thank you Joe. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Chojnowski" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Thank You John for the effort. Please mark me down for 5 of these > tapes. I must try these tapes because of the fuss they have generated. > > joe C - NJ > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of > > these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked > > him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > > > > Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how > > many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > > > > John > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se Fri Feb 22 10:07:50 2002 From: roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se (roy.svensson at hdk.gu.se) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:07:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <01c701c1bb14$89037610$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3C761876.19947.562DC3@localhost> Thank You John I want 5 of these if possible. Roy Ps. I live in Sweden ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 14:09:08 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:09:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question References: <9b.23386011.29a742a0@aol.com> Message-ID: <002a01c1bba2$1d3456f0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Sam Do you really think that ReVox would build a precision tool like this and install cheap switches, no sir. Best deck I've ever used especially as mine is Sanktified! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > Hi All, > > I wanted to ask the collective wisdom of this group a question concerning the > B215. The top controls (e.g., play, ff, stop) appear in pictures to be > cheaply made. Are they solid and functional as the button controls found on > better Naks? > > And, is anyone familiar with the large, black Struder tape deck featured in > the eBay ad? I've never seen that model before, appears to be a professional > model. Thank you in advance for your help with this inquiry. > > -Sam > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334025727 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 14:15:17 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:15:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <4.2.2.20020222014344.00a246f0@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <003001c1bba2$f8f47170$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> That site has many options, maybe we should look here for a bulk order. If only someone can decipher the location and currency. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 1:49 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Fellows, > > Below is a link to a page which lists basf metal maximas. > Could some one please identify the native language, location of the > dealer, and pricing in us currency ? > > http://www.acme.lt/kai/kai-aud.htm > > Thanks, > > Stan P. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 14:17:59 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:17:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: Message-ID: <004001c1bba3$598730e0$16756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> I assume George that you don't need any. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 3:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Could you all pls continue with these arrangements off-list ? It's not much > fun to wake up to 48 messages in your inbox, 30 of those being "5, please", > "Noted, thank you", "8+2 please", etc. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "John M. Tooley" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:24:00 -0500 > > Noted, thank you Joe. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Chojnowski" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:30 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > Thank You John for the effort. Please mark me down for 5 of these > > tapes. I must try these tapes because of the fuss they have generated. > > > > joe C - NJ > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > > > Okay guys, looks like I backed myself in to trying to get some of > > > these cassettes. I've just emailed my friend in Switzerland and asked > > > him to check them out. Hopefully he will ask about C-90's also. > > > > > > Any member that is interested please reply to this message stating how > > > many C-60's you would like. I will then ask if our needs can be met. > > > > > > John > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 15:14:56 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:14:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <001f01c1bb0b$05d89940$0e91ff3f@joedavis> Message-ID: <007c01c1bbab$4e559d80$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Are you still interested and going to send money? I'm still getting orders for them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 15:57:15 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:57:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <001c01c1ba98$87c2a400$2772fea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <00fa01c1bbb1$382e2bc0$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Mike I have put you down for 6. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > I've been following this thread for a while, and I'm usually timid to pipe > in among you to ask for some, but it seems that the 'regulars' are in > concordance that this is the cassette tape to use in recording. > > If possible, I would like to purchase 6 myself to compare them to my TDK > MA-X that I'm using now. And thank you to John, if you are the bearer of > this group purchase. > > But, if I could get a little wisdom, if this quality type cassette is worth > even using on the Nak DR-series? (mine is now a DR-10, but waiting to pounce > on a ZX-7 or CR-7). > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Vinod Kumar > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:05 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > I'd like to have 5 if possible. Thanks John for taking this effort. > > Vinod > > >From: "Isy Fidelman" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:15 -0400 > > > >I would like 10 for me if possible John. > >And thanks for this effort....I'll guess I'll wait for the total amount to > >send the money :-) > > > >Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Merideth > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > John, > > > > It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; looks > >like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that > >will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does not > >go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for 12-15 > >tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, > >presently. > > ;-) > > > > Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have > >enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal > >particle tape, not heavy-metal music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> > > > > That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be > >interested in at least two. > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen > >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was > >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface > >Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for > >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole > >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual > >members, a chore in itself. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Stager > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > At 2/20/02, you wrote: > > > > I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to > >start.... > > > > Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > re: > >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > > > 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. > > > > 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars > >per > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping > >costs > > if they could be sent here. > > > > 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. > > > > Good luck, > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Feb 22 16:11:35 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:11:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Has everyone seen this? http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Feb 22 16:38:22 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:38:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Message-ID: <007d01c1bbb6$f6593d10$96021fac@brianm> That's pretty neat. Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer was that you had the "smoking gun" on? Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk > Has everyone seen this? > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 16:42:54 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:42:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <3C761876.19947.562DC3@localhost> Message-ID: <015601c1bbb7$981fba70$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> 5 it is. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > Thank You John > I want 5 of these if possible. > Roy > > Ps. I live in Sweden > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 22 17:03:21 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:03:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Message-ID: <000b01c1bbba$73ba87c0$45289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Roland, i missed that one. I did write to JA twice if he can make S'phile review of Nakadeck online (forgot which model, only knew from naktalk that there was a review), but no mention about this on his reply. Anybody has that review in hardcopy to be scanned ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Has everyone seen this? http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 22 17:24:03 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:24:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> <007d01c1bbb6$f6593d10$96021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C7670A3.117D55FC@concentric.net> I found the article's reference to Nakamichi 'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what you put is is what you get out), with very little modification. By contrast, tubes sound 'warm', precisely because they are not accurate and do modify the sound. To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It represents distortion that, as pleasant sounding as it may be to some, is still distortion: something that wasn't present in the original, but added by the equipment. This is why I find it difficult to relate to Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed in their preconceived notions and platitudes. They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > That's pretty neat. > > Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile > Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by > manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer was > that you had the "smoking gun" on? > > Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk > > > Has everyone seen this? > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 > > > > --Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rickscafe at mcleodusa.net Fri Feb 22 17:37:55 2002 From: rickscafe at mcleodusa.net (Joe Davis) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:37:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <001f01c1bb0b$05d89940$0e91ff3f@joedavis> <007c01c1bbab$4e559d80$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <000c01c1bbbf$47e62fa0$cc8fff3f@joedavis> Sent a money order yesterday. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I am not an everyday webber yet. Also, any suggestions on a repair shop for my bx300? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Are you still interested and going to send money? I'm still getting orders for them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Fri Feb 22 17:45:13 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 11:45:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020222014344.00a246f0@mail.mindspring.com> References: <01C1BB08.33518EC0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020222114005.01fbab30@mail.verizon.net> At 2/22/02, you wrote: >Fellows, > >Below is a link to a page which lists basf metal maximas. >Could some one please identify the native language, location of the >dealer, and pricing in us currency ? >http://www.acme.lt/kai/kai-aud.htm > >Thanks, > >Stan P. Stan, If you scroll down the home page you find the address. If you can't translate the country name, you can get it country code in the phone number: 370, at http://www.ecg1.com/countrycodes.htm Now you know the country and the language. go to the currency converter at http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic and find the US dollar amount. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Feb 22 17:52:13 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:52:13 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Pure Audiophile LP Company is Born! In-Reply-To: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> Message-ID: <001e01c1bbc1$470c8690$5900a8c0@john> Just purchased this record last week. Incredible package all around. 1st rate quality. Music is the slow ballad stuff which at times can get a little boring. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Pure Audiophile LP Company is Born! I thought you all would enjoy this! -Sam http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1269 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Feb 22 18:09:47 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:09:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> <007d01c1bbb6$f6593d10$96021fac@brianm> <3C7670A3.117D55FC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001901c1bbc3$bbb36e80$45289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Interestingly, that 'warmth' was also the impression i got when i first heard (older) naks. Probably on this article / cassette's case, most decks were lacking in the mid freq - upper bass area, therefore vocals sounded thin compared to nak decks ... So maybe he didn't mean added warmth. S'phile (or any mags') reviews that imho kind of 'insulting' are the ones on equipment supports - cones, racks etc, but then again those reviews never accompanied by any backup measurement. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen I found the article's reference to Nakamichi 'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what you put is is what you get out), with very little modification. By contrast, tubes sound 'warm', precisely because they are not accurate and do modify the sound. To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It represents distortion that, as pleasant sounding as it may be to some, is still distortion: something that wasn't present in the original, but added by the equipment. This is why I find it difficult to relate to Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed in their preconceived notions and platitudes. They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. -- Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Feb 22 18:53:26 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 12:53:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <001f01c1bb0b$05d89940$0e91ff3f@joedavis> <007c01c1bbab$4e559d80$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <000c01c1bbbf$47e62fa0$cc8fff3f@joedavis> Message-ID: <029201c1bbc9$d48d3890$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Great, thanks Joe. The Nak. guru is, Stephen Sank 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico 87112 (505) 332-0336 bk11 at thuntek.net He has refurbished a Nakamichi 700 II, ReVox B215 and a Sony D3 DAT machines for me. He does beyond excellent work and is very reasonable, tell him I sent you. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Sent a money order yesterday. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I am not an everyday webber yet. Also, any suggestions on a repair shop for my bx300? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Are you still interested and going to send money? I'm still getting orders for them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Feb 22 20:49:45 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:49:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen In-Reply-To: <3C7670A3.117D55FC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004101c1bbda$13a79920$aada193e@a4s1s2> Interesting. I have heard "warm" and "tube-like" used to describe the ZX9 and the CR7 as being "more analytical", more "CD-like" in comparison to the ZX9. Not my words! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 22 February 2002 04:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen I found the article's reference to Nakamichi 'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what you put is is what you get out), with very little modification. By contrast, tubes sound 'warm', precisely because they are not accurate and do modify the sound. To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It represents distortion that, as pleasant sounding as it may be to some, is still distortion: something that wasn't present in the original, but added by the equipment. This is why I find it difficult to relate to Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed in their preconceived notions and platitudes. They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > > That's pretty neat. > > Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile > Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by > manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer was > that you had the "smoking gun" on? > > Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk > > > Has everyone seen this? > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 > > > > --Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Feb 22 23:12:39 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:12:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <004101c1bbda$13a79920$aada193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C76C257.54F55864@concentric.net> Can't say much about the ZX9, as I have never extensively listened to one. The CR-7, tends, indeed, to the 'analytical' (I prefer, 'accurate'), which is why I like it so much. IOW, it sounds just like the original. I can listen to it for hours with no listener fatigue whatsoever. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Interesting. I have heard "warm" and "tube-like" used to describe the ZX9 > and the CR7 as being "more analytical", more "CD-like" in comparison to the > ZX9. Not my words! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 22 February 2002 04:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen > > I found the article's reference to Nakamichi > 'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite > amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was > warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what > you put is is what you get out), with very > little modification. By contrast, tubes > sound 'warm', precisely because they are not > accurate and do modify the sound. > > To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It > represents distortion that, as pleasant > sounding as it may be to some, is still > distortion: something that wasn't present in > the original, but added by the equipment. > > This is why I find it difficult to relate to > Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed > in their preconceived notions and platitudes. > They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. > > -- Ron > > Brian Miller wrote: > > > > That's pretty neat. > > > > Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile > > Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by > > manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer > was > > that you had the "smoking gun" on? > > > > Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk > > > > > Has everyone seen this? > > > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Feb 23 04:06:41 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:06:41 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <17b.40a6b35.29a86141@aol.com> Hi John, How much are the individual Sony Metal ES's? I'd like to get either 5 or 10. Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Feb 23 04:09:33 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:09:33 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question Message-ID: <151.95e9d50.29a861ed@aol.com> In a message dated 2/22/2002 7:11:21 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Sam Do you really think that ReVox would build a precision tool like this and install cheap switches, no sir. Best deck I've ever used especially as mine is Sanktified! ;-) John >> Hi John et all, No I didn't, but from the images the switches look a little "light." Do you primarily use your B215 for recording or playback? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 23 04:07:26 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:07:26 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D14@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> This is an excellent article but it failed to mention our other hero - Stephen Sank. -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2002 2:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk Has everyone seen this? http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Feb 23 04:11:10 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:11:10 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D15@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes - are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2002 1:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Mike I have put you down for 6. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > I've been following this thread for a while, and I'm usually timid to pipe > in among you to ask for some, but it seems that the 'regulars' are in > concordance that this is the cassette tape to use in recording. > > If possible, I would like to purchase 6 myself to compare them to my TDK > MA-X that I'm using now. And thank you to John, if you are the bearer of > this group purchase. > > But, if I could get a little wisdom, if this quality type cassette is worth > even using on the Nak DR-series? (mine is now a DR-10, but waiting to pounce > on a ZX-7 or CR-7). > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Vinod Kumar > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:05 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > I'd like to have 5 if possible. Thanks John for taking this effort. > > Vinod > > >From: "Isy Fidelman" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:15 -0400 > > > >I would like 10 for me if possible John. > >And thanks for this effort....I'll guess I'll wait for the total amount to > >send the money :-) > > > >Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Merideth > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > John, > > > > It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; looks > >like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that > >will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does not > >go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for 12-15 > >tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, > >presently. > > ;-) > > > > Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have > >enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal > >particle tape, not heavy-metal music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> > > > > That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be > >interested in at least two. > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen > >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was > >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or Surface > >Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for > >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole > >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual > >members, a chore in itself. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marc Stager > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > At 2/20/02, you wrote: > > > > I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to > >start.... > > > > Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > re: > >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > > > 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. > > > > 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars > >per > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping > >costs > > if they could be sent here. > > > > 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. > > > > Good luck, > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Sat Feb 23 03:48:47 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 03:48:47 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG Audio Tapes Message-ID: Wow... Someone paid $62.05 for 2 TDK MA-XG tapes on an auction at Ebay. Are those worth that much? Vinod _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Sat Feb 23 04:53:31 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:53:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG Audio Tapes Message-ID: <113.d058bdf.29a86c3b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/22/2002 9:50:42 PM Central Standard Time, vvinodk at hotmail.com writes: << Wow... Someone paid $62.05 for 2 TDK MA-XG tapes on an auction at Ebay. Are those worth that much? Vinod >> IMHO, no. However, I created a recording using my Stephen Sank tuned CR-7 and a 10 year old TDK MA-XG and I have to admit that it simply sounds wonderful. Very robust and full. I was pleasantly surprised at the quality of the recording. But not at those prices for 2, again in IMHO. -Sam PS Does anyone on this list have any contacts to acquire a few TDK MA-XG's? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Feb 23 04:47:59 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:17:59 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen Message-ID: <003f01c1bc1c$e41d0da0$42d60192@vsnl> Ron Do you mean to say that even modern tube amplifiers with less than 0.1% distortion is still not a good one compared to SS amps - with less than .01% distortion which may cause listener fatigue ( There is plenty of proof of the fact that low distortion alone does not gaurantee acceptable sound quality. I agree that low enough distortion which would not cause coloration is a requirement anyway for a good amplifier). Or good Tube amps may not sound like a tube amp? I agree with you about CR7' accuracy -In-fact I tend to monitor sound through CR7 as the monitor portion is excellent compared to Dragon / ZX9 or probably 1000ZXL. As Stephen pointed out that bit of good bypassing and reduction of excess wiring can cause these decks to surpass CR7 by a whisker as almost all Naks are quite transparent. But I think ZX9 playback circuitry as well as the transport give it a higher mark compared to CR7. in my openion If ZX9 is modified by Stephen; it can beat a CR7 as I have seen quality improvement with OP275 replacement on a Dragon towards better transparency. But I think Tube amps warmth ( which I mentioned earlier when comapring ZX9 sound) refers more to excellent mid range clarity with low distortion as our ears are very sensitive to this frequency range and not colouration. Finally amps are part of the whole system and the speakers can be the critical part of the system which adds lot of ditortion more than any other part. Well designed as well as fabricated Tube amp may be as neutral as your CR7 excepting that the cost may be 4- 5 times a well executed SS amp. And this tube amp will also be very pleasant to hear. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen > >I found the article's reference to Nakamichi >'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite >amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was >warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what >you put is is what you get out), with very >little modification. By contrast, tubes >sound 'warm', precisely because they are not >accurate and do modify the sound. > >To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It >represents distortion that, as pleasant >sounding as it may be to some, is still >distortion: something that wasn't present in >the original, but added by the equipment. > >This is why I find it difficult to relate to >Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed >in their preconceived notions and platitudes. >They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. > >-- Ron > > >Brian Miller wrote: >> >> That's pretty neat. >> >> Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile >> Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by >> manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer was >> that you had the "smoking gun" on? >> >> Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? >> >> Brian Miller >> Michigan >> http://brian.grar.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roland Alford" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM >> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk >> >> > Has everyone seen this? >> > >> > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 >> > >> > --Roland >> > >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Feb 23 05:41:58 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:41:58 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Plenty of Dragons In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D15@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001c01c1bc24$6e471000$2772fea9@c994264g> Has anyone noticed there has been 9 Dragons in eBay since Feb. 1? It seems a little high to see that many of the decks has changed hands. Or is this a normal pattern to see a couple Dragons go on ad almost every other week in the beginning of the year? Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Feb 23 05:44:19 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:44:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D15@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001d01c1bc24$c22936d0$2772fea9@c994264g> Thank you for noting 6 - Shipping location would be Bay Area/California. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:11 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes - are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2002 1:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES Mike I have put you down for 6. John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sat Feb 23 06:11:00 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:11:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D15@mis-exchange.neca .nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020223000127.01f78800@mail.verizon.net> At 2/22/02, you wrote: >This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes >- are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? > > Tom Siomopoulos. ========= Neither. Scroll to the bottom and click on the link. ________________ Marc Stager ========= > > >From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > > >Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen > > >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was > > >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or > > >Surface Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be > prepared for > > >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole > > >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual > > >members, a chore in itself. > > > > > > John ========== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Marc Stager > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > > > > >1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. > > > > > >2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per > > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping osts > > > if they could be sent here. > > > > > >3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. > > > > > >Good luck, > > >________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sat Feb 23 16:15:37 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 07:15:37 -0800 Subject: Repair recommendation (WAS: RE: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books) In-Reply-To: <000c01c1bbbf$47e62fa0$cc8fff3f@joedavis> Message-ID: <002901c1bc7c$f2aee7c0$217ba8c0@henry> Joe, As far as I can tell, there is only one repair shop we would all agree on. Contact: Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone Stephen Sank [bk11 at thuntek.net] Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer Tim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat Feb 23 18:17:50 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:17:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <003f01c1bc1c$e41d0da0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3C77CEBE.11E63C5D@concentric.net> "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Ron > Do you mean to say that even modern tube amplifiers with less than 0.1% > distortion is still not a good one compared to SS amps - with less than .01% > distortion which may cause listener fatigue Not at all. I said that adding 'warmth' is mutually exclusive with 'accuracy'. That's because warmth is associated with accentuation of the mid range and/or even harmonic distortion of the higher bass frequencies. Amps that are linear enough and whose harmonic distortion is low enough (0.1%? 0.01%?) do not add warmth, tube or SS. Listener fatigue is associated with odd harmonic generation. SE tube amps (touted by devotees) are notorious for this. Quality SS amps do not cause fatigue, even after prolonged listening. > ( There is plenty of proof of the fact that low distortion alone does not > gaurantee acceptable sound quality. I agree that low enough distortion > which would not cause coloration is a requirement anyway for a good > amplifier). Or good Tube amps may not sound like a tube amp? This last sentence is exactly my point. Regardless of active device technology, *good* amps are transparent, with no coloration, no listener fatigue and no added warmth. (However, ours is a very subjective hobby and many people do prefer colouration and added warmth.) > I agree with you about CR7' accuracy -In-fact I tend to monitor sound > through CR7 as the monitor portion is excellent compared to Dragon / ZX9 or > probably 1000ZXL. As Stephen pointed out that bit of good bypassing and > reduction of excess wiring can cause these decks to surpass CR7 by a whisker > as almost all Naks are quite transparent. But I think ZX9 playback circuitry > as well as the transport give it a higher mark compared to CR7. in my > openion If ZX9 is modified by Stephen; it can beat a CR7 as I have seen > quality improvement with OP275 replacement on a Dragon towards better > transparency. As I have posted a long time ago, blind listening tests of the CR-7 revealed that people could not tell whether they were listening to the original sound or the recording. Of course, this was true for CDs played on a mid end player ($700 range) and could have yielded different results with a better player. Still, the test did convince me that upgrading the CR-7 was *for me* in the diminishing returns category. > But I think Tube amps warmth (which I mentioned earlier when comapring ZX9 > sound) refers more to excellent mid range clarity with low distortion as > our ears are very sensitive to this frequency range and not colouration. But there are SS amps that provide the same sonic characteristics -- invariably, for appreciably less money. > Finally amps are part of the whole system and the speakers can be the > critical part of the system which adds lot of ditortion more than any other > part. I fully agree. in addition, a speaker can sound different with different amps. Some will tend to add warmth when driven by a high impedance output (such as a tube amp). > Well designed as well as fabricated Tube amp may be as neutral as your CR7 > excepting that the cost may be 4- 5 times a well executed SS amp. And this > tube amp will also be very pleasant to hear. Sure. But what's the point of paying more for a far heavier amp that is lower in power output, dissipates huge amounts of power, runs extremely hot, is far less reliable and requires long warm up time -- when 'well fabricated' SS amps are widely available, all without these handicaps? -- Ron > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen > > > > >I found the article's reference to Nakamichi > >'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite > >amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was > >warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what > >you put is is what you get out), with very > >little modification. By contrast, tubes > >sound 'warm', precisely because they are not > >accurate and do modify the sound. > > > >To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It > >represents distortion that, as pleasant > >sounding as it may be to some, is still > >distortion: something that wasn't present in > >the original, but added by the equipment. > > > >This is why I find it difficult to relate to > >Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed > >in their preconceived notions and platitudes. > >They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Brian Miller wrote: > >> > >> That's pretty neat. > >> > >> Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile > >> Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by > >> manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer > was > >> that you had the "smoking gun" on? > >> > >> Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? > >> > >> Brian Miller > >> Michigan > >> http://brian.grar.com > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Roland Alford" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM > >> Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk > >> > >> > Has everyone seen this? > >> > > >> > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 > >> > > >> > --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Feb 23 18:18:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:18:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question References: <151.95e9d50.29a861ed@aol.com> Message-ID: <00cb01c1bc8e$0d3f1360$63756acf@johnrotten> So far Sam just playback into a Sony DTC-75E DAT machine. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > In a message dated 2/22/2002 7:11:21 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Sam > > Do you really think that ReVox would build a precision tool like this and > install cheap switches, no sir. Best deck I've ever used especially as mine > is Sanktified! ;-) > > John >> > > Hi John et all, > > No I didn't, but from the images the switches look a little "light." Do you > primarily use your B215 for recording or playback? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Sat Feb 23 18:57:29 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (bjgrady) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:57:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Pure Audiophile LP Company is Born! References: <88.1451fe42.29a862a2@aol.com> Message-ID: <002401c1bc93$8fdcef40$222bcd3f@baboonasoo7xzt> Hello Sam. No, I do not have the CD version. Actually try to limit the CD purchases w/ purcheses only being done if it is the only format available. As for the turntable, I just recently purchased a VPI TNT Hotrod, although I have not received it yet. I was able to purchase it w/out the arm. Am using a Weaton TriPlaner and a Helikon cartridge. I unpgraded a older model TNT. This is what I listened to the jazz record on. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Pure Audiophile LP Company is Born! > In a message dated 2/22/2002 10:57:07 AM Central Standard Time, > bjgrady at pacbell.net writes: > > << Just purchased this record last week. Incredible package all around. 1st > rate quality. Music is the slow ballad stuff which at times can get a little > boring. > > Cal John. >> > > Hi John, > > Do you also own the CD-version of these recordings? If yes, which one do you > prefer? And, what turntable are you using? Thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eknath58 at hotmail.com Sat Feb 23 18:50:07 2002 From: eknath58 at hotmail.com (Eknath Ullikashi) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 18:50:07 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG Audio Tapes Message-ID: yes, u can buy ma-xg 90s at st pound 10.16 per pc from: http://acorn.cybervillage.co.uk/liquid/tdk.htm at st pound 10.45 per pc from: http://www.good.co.uk/shadoos/audio.htm eknath >From: SBarr12393 at aol.com >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG Audio Tapes >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:53:31 EST > >In a message dated 2/22/2002 9:50:42 PM Central Standard Time, >vvinodk at hotmail.com writes: > ><< Wow... Someone paid $62.05 for 2 TDK MA-XG tapes on an auction at Ebay. >Are > those worth that much? > > Vinod >> > >IMHO, no. However, I created a recording using my Stephen Sank tuned CR-7 >and a 10 year old TDK MA-XG and I have to admit that it simply sounds >wonderful. Very robust and full. I was pleasantly surprised at the >quality >of the recording. But not at those prices for 2, again in IMHO. > >-Sam > >PS > >Does anyone on this list have any contacts to acquire a few TDK MA-XG's? >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sat Feb 23 22:29:19 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 17:29:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D15@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <004101c1bcb1$28618ec0$bd6423c8@g8nsv> I am sure you know the answer.... :-) Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes - are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > Sent: Saturday, 23 February 2002 1:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Mike > > I have put you down for 6. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike deVera" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:27 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > I've been following this thread for a while, and I'm usually timid to pipe > > in among you to ask for some, but it seems that the 'regulars' are in > > concordance that this is the cassette tape to use in recording. > > > > If possible, I would like to purchase 6 myself to compare them to my TDK > > MA-X that I'm using now. And thank you to John, if you are the bearer of > > this group purchase. > > > > But, if I could get a little wisdom, if this quality type cassette is > worth > > even using on the Nak DR-series? (mine is now a DR-10, but waiting to > pounce > > on a ZX-7 or CR-7). > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Vinod Kumar > > Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 5:05 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to have 5 if possible. Thanks John for taking this effort. > > > > Vinod > > > > >From: "Isy Fidelman" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > >Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:13:15 -0400 > > > > > >I would like 10 for me if possible John. > > >And thanks for this effort....I'll guess I'll wait for the total amount > to > > >send the money :-) > > > > > >Isy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kent Merideth > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:51 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > > > > John, > > > > > > It's beginning to look like you are the poor soul ( I mean, sole; > looks > > >like you are a shoe-in, because it is your contact in Switzerland ) that > > >will be handling the tapes State-Side. Put me down for 10, if it does > not > > >go above $10.00 for each tape. If it is closer to $8.00, I'd go for > 12-15 > > >tapes. I realize we are just fishing ( fillet of sole ) for pricing, > > >presently. > > > ;-) > > > > > > Thanks for stepping forward in this time of crisis. We don't have > > >enough heavy metal in our blood streams. That is a reference to metal > > >particle tape, not heavy-metal music! > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au 02/20/02 03:53PM >>> > > > > > > That's fine with me John, I'll take any length (60 or 90). I'll be > > >interested in at least two. > > > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen > > >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was > > >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or > Surface > > >Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be prepared for > > >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole > > >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual > > >members, a chore in itself. > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Marc Stager > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > > > > At 2/20/02, you wrote: > > > > > > I guess we someone who speaks German or who lives in Europe to > > >start.... > > > > > > Isy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > re: > > > >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > > > > > 1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside > Switzerland. > > > > > > 2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars > > >per > > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without > shipping > > >costs > > > if they could be sent here. > > > > > > 3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month > ago. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Sun Feb 24 06:03:14 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:03:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: Tom, I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. Kent Indiana >>> Marc at Stager.com 02/23/02 12:11AM >>> At 2/22/02, you wrote: >This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes >- are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? > > Tom Siomopoulos. ========= Neither. Scroll to the bottom and click on the link. ________________ Marc Stager ========= > > >From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] > > >Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2002 4:26 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > > > > > > > I have a friend in Switzerland who will take dollars. How many dozen > > >cassettes do we need. Would not C-90's be more practical? If this was > > >arranged somebody at some point would have to decide UPS, FedEx or > > >Surface Mail. Even the later would jack up the final price. Be > prepared for > > >delivered price to maybe be around $8.00 - $10.00 each as some poor sole > > >will have to divide them up stateside and post them on to individual > > >members, a chore in itself. > > > > > > John ========== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Marc Stager > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > > > Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES > >http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > > > > > >1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside Switzerland. > > > > > >2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars per > > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping osts > > > if they could be sent here. > > > > > >3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month ago. > > > > > >Good luck, > > >________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Sun Feb 24 07:57:49 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:57:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] cleaning and demagnetizing recommendations Message-ID: <001501c1bd00$94186180$217ba8c0@henry> I think I read on this list that most people recommend alcohol and a swab for cleaning the innards of Naks. Is that correct? What method of demagnetizing does everybody recommend? Thanks in advance! Tim Jackson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Feb 24 02:01:19 2002 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 02:01:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Message-ID: <000201c1bcce$c501d100$9600000a@jannis> Can someone please tell me what the difference is between BX-2 and BX-125? Futrher more I remember a lot od talk concerning the cheap rubber wheel which later has been replased with the gear wheel. Apparently the rubber wheel of my BX-125 is worn out and Nac in Holland says that if I replace it I also have to replace more parts for otherwise it will not solve the problem for long. Is it so or is it a way to earn more money? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Feb 24 13:32:55 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:02:55 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: <003001c1bd2f$6300e480$42d60192@vsnl> The link below shows up Sony super metal master tape - is it not? I do understand this chain is for Super metal master tape . If it is for Sony metal master tape I require 2 minimum Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) >Tom, > >I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I >realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but >am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal >Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the >ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the >Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > >Kent >Indiana > >>>> Marc at Stager.com 02/23/02 12:11AM >>> >At 2/22/02, you wrote: >>This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes >>- are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? >> >> Tom Siomopoulos. > >========= > >Neither. > >Scroll to the bottom and click on the link. > >________________ Marc Stager > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: Marc Stager >> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >> > > Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >> >> http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > >> > > >> > >1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside >Switzerland. >> > > >> > >2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars >per >> > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping >osts >> > > if they could be sent here. >> > > >> > >3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month >ago. >> > > >> > >Good luck, >> > >________________ Marc Stager > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Soulantikas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Can someone please tell me what the difference is between BX-2 and BX-125? Futrher more I remember a lot od talk concerning the cheap rubber wheel which later has been replased with the gear wheel. Apparently the rubber wheel of my BX-125 is worn out and Nac in Holland says that if I replace it I also have to replace more parts for otherwise it will not solve the problem for long. Is it so or is it a way to earn more money? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 February 2002 06:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] BX-125 Hi Jannis, Imho the phrase "it will not solve the problem for long" is one correct description for rubber wheel replacement - but i can't think of "more parts to replace" other than the gear upgrade for a longer term solution. The new rubber itself should lasts about 1-2 years (rough approx), which is worth the little money and time spent. Not sure myself about the BX125, same dolby B&C with BX2 / 150, from Wouter's database looks like 'analog' counter is the only difference between BX125 & 2 / 150. Probably also auto-repeat feature. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Soulantikas To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-125 Can someone please tell me what the difference is between BX-2 and BX-125? Futrher more I remember a lot od talk concerning the cheap rubber wheel which later has been replased with the gear wheel. Apparently the rubber wheel of my BX-125 is worn out and Nac in Holland says that if I replace it I also have to replace more parts for otherwise it will not solve the problem for long. Is it so or is it a way to earn more money? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release Date: 14/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Feb 24 14:29:22 2002 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:29:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega In-Reply-To: <001a01c1bd79$f9693a40$c2fd193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only problem is that it has a Sony mechanism which is less good than Philips. Any way I had some problems with it jumping trucks and had it serviced, The representative of the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine dirt. I wonder whether I should believe him. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sun Feb 24 14:32:07 2002 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (J. Soulantikas) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:32:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega In-Reply-To: <001501c1bd94$89d483e0$59289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000d01c1bd37$a8047580$9600000a@jannis> Both have Sony transport. Rega is a 16 bits CD player and therefore cannot fully utilize the 24 bit HDCD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: maandag, februari 25, 2002 1:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega Sorry for riding the question, does anybody know what kind of transport used on original Rega Planet and the 2000 ? Also if either is HDCD-capable ? I read that the 2000 used Sony mechanism "CDM145BL-5BD25" ... is this another breed of our beloved CDM12.4 ? Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Mon Feb 25 04:04:16 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:04:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega References: <001a01c1bd79$f9693a40$c2fd193e@a4s1s2> <001501c1bd94$89d483e0$59289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C79A9AF.749D7EF2@snet.net> I owned the original Planet for a while and thought it was a very nice player. Have to admit that I found the Cambridge CD6 to be all the better though while costing about the same. Ed Salim Marzuki wrote: > Sorry for riding the question, does anybody know what kind of > transport used on original Rega Planet and the 2000 ? Also if either > is HDCD-capable ? I read that the 2000 used Sony mechanism > "CDM145BL-5BD25" ... is this another breed of our beloved CDM12.4 > ? Thanks in advance,Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 4:26 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega > Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know > much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its > any good?Graham > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 05:25:53 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:25:53 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Pure Audiophile LP Company is Born! Message-ID: <94.220aef97.29ab16d1@aol.com> In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:58:23 AM Central Standard Time, bjgrady at pacbell.net writes: << As for the turntable, I just recently purchased a VPI TNT Hotrod, although I have not received it yet. I was able to purchase it w/out the arm. Am using a Weaton TriPlaner and a Helikon cartridge. I unpgraded a older model TNT. This is what I listened to the jazz record on. John. >> Thank you John for sharing. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the analog gear you mentioned. But I do appreciate the recommendation as I to still enjoy vinyl despite its snap-crackle-and-pop. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 05:27:31 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:27:31 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question Message-ID: <9d.23aca046.29ab1733@aol.com> In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:20:17 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << So far Sam just playback into a Sony DTC-75E DAT machine. John >> Hi John, That's interesting. Do you mind if I ask why are you recording to DAT? (e.g. archiving old cassettes). As always, it's a pleasure chatting with you. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 05:30:28 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:30:28 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/2002 11:10:39 PM Central Standard Time, Marc at Stager.com writes: << http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >> OK, I'll take 5. Thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 05:31:39 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:31:39 EST Subject: [naktalk] TDK MA-XG Audio Tapes Message-ID: <139.9f6d691.29ab182b@aol.com> In a message dated 2/23/2002 12:52:27 PM Central Standard Time, eknath58 at hotmail.com writes: << yes, u can buy ma-xg 90s at st pound 10.16 per pc from: http://acorn.cybervillage.co.uk/liquid/tdk.htm at st pound 10.45 per pc from: http://www.good.co.uk/shadoos/audio.htm eknath >> Thank you Eknath, I appreciate your help. Does anyone have a US contact for these as well? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Mon Feb 25 05:33:42 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:33:42 EST Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: << Tom, I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. Kent Indiana >> OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the Metal Master. Yes? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 25 08:40:35 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:40:35 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega References: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> Message-ID: <3C79EA71.CBDCB781@earthlink.net> Hi Graham, I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate on the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport too. Jim Volpatti "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only problem is that it > has a Sony mechanism which is less good than Philips. Any way I had > some problems with it jumping trucks and had it serviced, > The representative of the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to > nicotine dirt. I wonder whether I should believe him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about > their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? > Graham > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Feb 25 09:10:26 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:10:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega In-Reply-To: <3C79EA71.CBDCB781@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <004001c1bdd3$e21a7b60$2772fea9@c994264g> I really wanted to purchase a Pioneer PD-65. In fact, I've been tracking it for a while. I posed a question to another 'phile, asking them what they thought about it. I mentioned that I already had a Pioneer Elite CLD-79 LD/CD and CAL Delta. The reply back was that I needed to consider maybe the Denon DCD-1650AR, since I already was using the Direct CD feature of the CLD-79, and the Legato Link Conversion was the same in all Pioneers. Also same person thought the transport of the Elite PD-65 was as stable as Elite CLD-79. The Denon was purported to be an improvement over the CAL Delta as well. I don't know if I could refute that, but I really wanted to get a Elite PD-65. But the Legato Conversion Link reason really held me back. I was told that the 20-bit DACs and transport on the Denon was distinctively better. Hmm, is it really the same technology that is used in all Pioneers that employ Legato Link Conversion (I guess this is a Pioneer DAC ??). Hopefully someone can shed some light if the Legato Link is the same through out the Elite line. I really like my Cal Audio Lab Delta, and that is a very solid transport. Requires a separate DAC, but IMHO has a wider soundspace, open and distinctly cleaner sound than the Elite CLD-79. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega Hi Graham, I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate on the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport too. Jim Volpatti "J. Soulantikas" wrote: Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only problem is that it has a Sony mechanism which is less good than Philips. Any way I had some problems with it jumping trucks and had it serviced, The representative of the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine dirt. I wonder whether I should believe him. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 25 09:23:19 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 00:23:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega References: <004001c1bdd3$e21a7b60$2772fea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <3C79F477.A7A2D3C8@earthlink.net> I have not listened to the CAL Delta, Denon DCD-1650AR and Pioneer PD-65 side by side, so I don't know how their performance compares. Jim Volpatti Mike deVera wrote: > I really wanted to purchase a Pioneer PD-65. In fact, I've been > tracking it for a while. I posed a question to another 'phile, asking > them what they thought about it. I mentioned that I already had a > Pioneer Elite CLD-79 LD/CD and CAL Delta. The reply back was that I > needed to consider maybe the Denon DCD-1650AR, since I already was > using the Direct CD feature of the CLD-79, and the Legato Link > Conversion was the same in all Pioneers. Also same person thought the > transport of the Elite PD-65 was as stable as Elite CLD-79. The Denon > was purported to be an improvement over the CAL Delta as well.I don't > know if I could refute that, but I really wanted to get a Elite PD-65. > But the Legato Conversion Link reason really held me back. I was told > that the 20-bit DACs and transport on the Denon was distinctively > better. Hmm, is it really the same technology that is used in all > Pioneers that employ Legato Link Conversion (I guess this is a Pioneer > DAC ??). Hopefully someone can shed some light if the Legato Link is > the same through out the Elite line.I really like my Cal Audio Lab > Delta, and that is a very solid transport. Requires a separate DAC, > but IMHO has a wider soundspace, open and distinctly cleaner sound > than the Elite CLD-79. Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > Hi Graham, > > I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer > Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the > Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more > transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate on > the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport too. > > Jim Volpatti > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 13:35:49 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:35:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : HOLFI Message-ID: Hi all, My friend the Ortofon dealer keeps talking to me about this company's products. Has anyone had any first-hand experience with their stuff ? 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:20:17 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << So far Sam just playback into a Sony DTC-75E DAT machine. > > John >> > > Hi John, > > That's interesting. Do you mind if I ask why are you recording to DAT? > (e.g. archiving old cassettes). As always, it's a pleasure chatting with you. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Feb 25 14:41:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:41:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) References: Message-ID: <005601c1be02$10de4a20$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Kent, Should I now drop your name from the list? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. Yes? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Feb 25 14:42:58 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:42:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) References: Message-ID: <005c01c1be02$56b1a7e0$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Your 5 noted Sam. No response from my Swiss contact yet. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/22/2002 11:10:39 PM Central Standard Time, > Marc at Stager.com writes: > > << > http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 >> > > OK, I'll take 5. Thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 14:48:14 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:48:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Message-ID: Hi everyone, What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be reliable (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to �600 ($800 US dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Feb 25 14:57:16 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:57:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <001f01c1bb0b$05d89940$0e91ff3f@joedavis> <007c01c1bbab$4e559d80$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <000c01c1bbbf$47e62fa0$cc8fff3f@joedavis> Message-ID: <00df01c1be04$55b13cf0$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Joe, Got the money, thank you. I'll get on it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Sent a money order yesterday. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I am not an everyday webber yet. Also, any suggestions on a repair shop for my bx300? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Are you still interested and going to send money? I'm still getting orders for them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Feb 25 15:33:48 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:33:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: Message-ID: <3C7A4B4C.9079594C@concentric.net> winnie pooh wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am > looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport > system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is > multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision > disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be reliable > (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities > are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done > through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest > decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to £600 ($800 US > dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go > for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. > > If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would > especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are > cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. > > Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. > > Kelvin. > The last SGHT (Stereophile Guide to Home Theater) issue offers their latest equipment ratings. Their top tier (AAA ratings) go to the Eyre Acoustics D-1x ($8500), Camelot Technology Round Table ($3995), Meridian 596 ($4250), Pioneer DV-AX10 ($4500) and Theta DaVID II ($7000). If that's too rich from your blood, their second tier (AA rating) includes 10 additional players, the lowest cost of which is the Denon DVD-2800 ($799) and the highest is the Pioneer Elite DV-38A ($2000). User forums also recommend the Panasonic RP-91 (IIRC, around $800). If a carousel is an advantage for you, consider the Denon DVM-4800. Excellent picture and sound and just about any feature you'd want (including DVD-Audio and HDCD capabilities) for $1200 list, but get one that was made in 2002 -- previous ones had a video dropout bug. (BTW, Denon mechanics seem to be in the 'piece of crap' category -- albeit, reliable pieces of crap.) -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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However i suggest that you get it locally just in case unit needs some warranty treatment, and that i feel built quality slightly suffers compared to US/Euro target market ... cheapo rules over here. BTW that's a nice processor you have ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Hi everyone, What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be reliable (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to £600 ($800 US dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. Kelvin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Mon Feb 25 16:47:55 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:47:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <000c01c1be10$5cb4ee00$57289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000901c1be13$cb848400$a06723c8@g8nsv> I am using my "old" Sony 7000 and I still consider it one of the best around....the only thing is that with new movies sometimes it doesn't read them...I thappened to me twice and in one of the cases the DVD disc was the problem. I have checked the new Pioneer models and they work great and aren't expensive. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Hi Kelvin, I use denon dvd3000 myself and have little complaint other than the fact that it can't read cdr, but then again i rarely use it (3 regions, ntsc only - somehow i live in pal area :-). Like most modern mid-fi players, the insides are cheesy compared to older nak cd players. It was the only denon i found, and a demo unit too, bought it for about U$300 -slightly above popular Pioneer 525/535 (my friend who is a dvd freak acknowledged better picture quality compared to his pioneer). Nowadays pioneer / nad players here are still sold for U$200-300, probably slightly cheaper ? However i suggest that you get it locally just in case unit needs some warranty treatment, and that i feel built quality slightly suffers compared to US/Euro target market ... cheapo rules over here. BTW that's a nice processor you have ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Hi everyone, What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be reliable (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to £600 ($800 US dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. 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In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:58:23 AM Central Standard Time, bjgrady at pacbell.net writes: << As for the turntable, I just recently purchased a VPI TNT Hotrod, although I have not received it yet. I was able to purchase it w/out the arm. Am using a Weaton TriPlaner and a Helikon cartridge. I unpgraded a older model TNT. This is what I listened to the jazz record on. John. >> Thank you John for sharing. Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the analog gear you mentioned. But I do appreciate the recommendation as I to still enjoy vinyl despite its snap-crackle-and-pop. (smile) -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. 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URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Feb 25 18:24:13 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:24:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: John, I just noticed the Subject field indicates Sony SMM (not Metal-ES). I just committed the error I was running into with Car & Driver magazine, when I requested a replacement issue, which had portions of some of the pages torn completely out. I indicated what month was involved in the Subject field, but failed to include it in the body of the letter, so they said they could not send a replacement until they knew which one was requested. Now you can put me back down for 10 of these if they do not go over $10.00 each, delivered. Should have put my brain in gear, before engaging my fingers. Hope I pay better attention to the details the rest of the week. Sorry for the confusion, again. Kent >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/25/02 11:47AM >>> John, Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. Kent Indiana >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> Kent, Should I now drop your name from the list? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. Yes? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 18:25:05 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:25:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: For God's sake ! It's the Metal Master that is sold at that site and NOT the ES ! Now get on with it off list please ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Kent Merideth" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:47:00 -0500 John, Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. Kent Indiana >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> Kent, Should I now drop your name from the list? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. Yes? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Feb 25 18:43:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:43:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) References: Message-ID: <01b001c1be23$e01dd9b0$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Back in for 10. Okay. I must email my friend in Switzerland and see if he has contacted them. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) John, I just noticed the Subject field indicates Sony SMM (not Metal-ES). I just committed the error I was running into with Car & Driver magazine, when I requested a replacement issue, which had portions of some of the pages torn completely out. I indicated what month was involved in the Subject field, but failed to include it in the body of the letter, so they said they could not send a replacement until they knew which one was requested. Now you can put me back down for 10 of these if they do not go over $10.00 each, delivered. Should have put my brain in gear, before engaging my fingers. Hope I pay better attention to the details the rest of the week. Sorry for the confusion, again. Kent >>> khmerideth at anderson.edu 02/25/02 11:47AM >>> John, Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. Kent Indiana >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> Kent, Should I now drop your name from the list? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. 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Tooley) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:44:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) References: <002001c1be1f$8789c060$466423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <01ba01c1be24$17c59790$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> It's getting more like politics by the hour. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Hi John!!!! If the tapes are the ES I'll have 5 of them; if it is the Metal Master I'll have the 10 I wrote before.... Thanks again Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) John, Yes, I was thinking the tapes were Metal Master, as was being discussed at the beginning. I missed the transition to ES somewhere along the way. Sorry for my not picking up on this. Delete my previous request. Kent Indiana >>> jmtooley at ce.net 02/25/02 08:41AM >>> Kent, Should I now drop your name from the list? John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) > In a message dated 2/23/2002 11:03:32 PM Central Standard Time, > khmerideth at anderson.edu writes: > > << Tom, > > I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I > realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but > am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal > Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the > ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the > Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > > Kent > Indiana >> > > OK, now I'm confused. The link below is not the Sony Metal ES Pro but the > Metal Master. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Observing one of the leading threads in this forum (George's favorite), I have noticed that several of you do not mind spending $8 or so for SONY Metal ES tapes (i.e., they would pay the money regradless wether it is indeed ES or SMM) . It looks like all these tapes are older stock tapes, no longer in production, and the fact that in many European locations you can buy a brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV for about $3-3.50 per C-90 - how would you compare these two tapes? How does a $3.5 brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV compare to $8 SONY Metal ES from an older production stock? If a tape is still shrink wrapped, but was produced 5-10 years ago, does this matter? I am just curious, when you want to buy these tapes, is this more driven by a collector's desire, or a true superiority fact, and the need to have the best available tape there is to make some critical recordings? Stan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 25 19:46:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:46:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega In-Reply-To: <3C79EA71.CBDCB781@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002601c1be2c$b5f11a40$089b193e@a4s1s2> I forgot to add, funnily enough, I've been looking for a PD-65 on e-Bay for ages. Not come by one yet. Stephen swears by the 65, I think, too. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 25 February 2002 07:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega Hi Graham, I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate on the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport too. Jim Volpatti "J. Soulantikas" wrote: Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only problem is that it has a Sony mechanism which is less good than Philips. Any way I had some problems with it jumping trucks and had it serviced, The representative of the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine dirt. I wonder whether I should believe him. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Feb 25 20:25:51 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:25:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Pioneer PD-65 References: <002601c1be2c$b5f11a40$089b193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C7A8FBF.F8394311@earthlink.net> I purchased PD-65 new in 1993 at the retail price of $800. About four years ago, it stopped reading CDs so I brought it to a local repair shop. It seems that the lens, IIRC, became unglued, necessitating replacement of the laser assembly. The repair bill came to approximately $125. I replaced the Pioneer recently with a Otari CDR-18 professional CD recorder built by Pioneer. It uses the same Stable Platter mechanism and Legato Link filter. Before I purchased the the Otari I compared the playback of the CDR-18 and the PD-65 side by side. To my surprise, they were identical. I paid $460 for the Otari and later sold the Pioneer for $400. Not a bad deal. I still haven't gotten around to burning any CDs though. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > I forgot to add, funnily enough, I've been looking for a PD-65 on > e-Bay for ages. Not come by one yet. Stephen swears by the 65, I > think, too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: 25 February 2002 07:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > Hi Graham, > > I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer > Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the > Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more > transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate on > the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport too. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > > Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only > > problem is that it has a Sony mechanism which is less good > > than Philips. Any way I had some problems with it jumping > > trucks and had it serviced, The representative of the > > thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine dirt. > > I wonder whether I should believe him. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson > > > > Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > > > Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know > > much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its > > any good? > > Graham > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Mon Feb 25 20:44:45 2002 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:44:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] SONY Metal ES vs. BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020225144214.00a2db60@mail.mindspring.com> Please indicate the shops or sites where the basf metal maximas are available. Much appreciated. I would be particularly interested in a shop in switzerland but any locations would be a help. Stan P. At 12:15 PM 2/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >>Observing one of the leading threads in this forum (George's favorite), I >>have noticed that several of you do not mind spending $8 or so for SONY >>Metal ES tapes (i.e., they would pay the money regradless wether it is >>indeed ES or SMM) . It looks like all these tapes are older stock tapes, >>no longer in production, and the fact that in many European locations you >>can buy a brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV for about $3-3.50 per >>C-90 - how would you compare these two tapes? >> >>How does a $3.5 brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV compare to $8 >>SONY Metal ES from an older production stock? If a tape is still shrink >>wrapped, but was produced 5-10 years ago, does this matter? >> >>I am just curious, when you want to buy these tapes, is this more driven >>by a collector's desire, or a true superiority fact, and the need to have >>the best available tape there is to make some critical recordings? >> >>Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Feb 25 21:22:23 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:22:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SONY Metal ES vs. BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV ... Message-ID: Especially since it seems that EMTEC have discontinued production of the Metal Maxima TP-IV. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY Metal ES vs. BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV ... Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:44:45 -0500 Please indicate the shops or sites where the basf metal maximas are available. Much appreciated. I would be particularly interested in a shop in switzerland but any locations would be a help. Stan P. At 12:15 PM 2/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >>Observing one of the leading threads in this forum (George's favorite), I >>have noticed that several of you do not mind spending $8 or so for SONY >>Metal ES tapes (i.e., they would pay the money regradless wether it is >>indeed ES or SMM) . It looks like all these tapes are older stock tapes, >>no longer in production, and the fact that in many European locations you >>can buy a brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV for about $3-3.50 per >>C-90 - how would you compare these two tapes? >> >>How does a $3.5 brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV compare to $8 >>SONY Metal ES from an older production stock? If a tape is still shrink >>wrapped, but was produced 5-10 years ago, does this matter? >> >>I am just curious, when you want to buy these tapes, is this more driven >>by a collector's desire, or a true superiority fact, and the need to have >>the best available tape there is to make some critical recordings? >> >>Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I live in Chicago, though travel frequently to Europe, the UK and Poland in particular. I have bought 10 of BASF Metal Maxima's TP-IV in GEANT hipermarket stores in Warsaw for, if I remember right, PLN 11.00 a piece (which is less than $3.00 - $1US = +/- 4.1 PLN) - a month ago. They had regular supplies of these tapes. As far as Switzerland, I was in Neuchatel in January, and didn't see these tapes. If I remember right, the only metal tape I saw there was TDK MA, and Maxell Metal Capsule (or something like that, which I don't recall seeing before - I understand it is nothing special ...) Last May I was in Toronto, and saw a lot of stores in the area of Eaton City Centre, selling Maxell MX-S and SONY Metal SR tapes. I still have a brick of 10 MX-S I bought there with a sticker of $CDN 44.90 ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Mon, February 25, 2002 2:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY Metal ES vs. BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV ... Especially since it seems that EMTEC have discontinued production of the Metal Maxima TP-IV. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stanley P. Pickens" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SONY Metal ES vs. BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV ... Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:44:45 -0500 Please indicate the shops or sites where the basf metal maximas are available. Much appreciated. I would be particularly interested in a shop in switzerland but any locations would be a help. Stan P. At 12:15 PM 2/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >>Observing one of the leading threads in this forum (George's favorite), I >>have noticed that several of you do not mind spending $8 or so for SONY >>Metal ES tapes (i.e., they would pay the money regradless wether it is >>indeed ES or SMM) . It looks like all these tapes are older stock tapes, >>no longer in production, and the fact that in many European locations you >>can buy a brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV for about $3-3.50 per >>C-90 - how would you compare these two tapes? >> >>How does a $3.5 brand new stock BASF Metal Maxima TP-IV compare to $8 >>SONY Metal ES from an older production stock? If a tape is still shrink >>wrapped, but was produced 5-10 years ago, does this matter? >> >>I am just curious, when you want to buy these tapes, is this more driven >>by a collector's desire, or a true superiority fact, and the need to have >>the best available tape there is to make some critical recordings? >> >>Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Feb 25 23:53:24 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:53:24 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01FEC6BC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Kent, Yes the link below shows the Sony super metal master. I will go ahead with the purchase of 2 if they are the Metal master tapes and not the ES model - I already have two of these. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Kannan. S [mailto:kannan_s at vsnl.com] Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2002 11:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) The link below shows up Sony super metal master tape - is it not? I do understand this chain is for Super metal master tape . If it is for Sony metal master tape I require 2 minimum Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony SMM (not Metal-ES) >Tom, > >I was thinking it was Metal Master we were talking about also. When I >realized it was ES, I dropped out. The two ES 90's I have are good, but >am not sure I want to spend $8-$10 on them. If they had been Metal >Master, I was willing to try it for this amount. This does not mean the >ES is not a good tape, it is very good. I was all set to try out the >Metal Master, as was originally being discussed. > >Kent >Indiana > >>>> Marc at Stager.com 02/23/02 12:11AM >>> >At 2/22/02, you wrote: >>This is going to sound like a very dumb question but here it goes >>- are we going for the Sony Metal-ES or the Metal Master? >> >> Tom Siomopoulos. > >========= > >Neither. > >Scroll to the bottom and click on the link. > >________________ Marc Stager > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > >From: Marc Stager >> > >To: naktalk at naks.com >> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 11:20 AM >> > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >> > > Monday, February 18, 2002 11:16 PM >> > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Metal-ES >> >> http://www.auktionz.ch/shop/liquidationsshop.cfm?aktion=detail&ArtikelNr=M4 > >> > > >> > >1. M. Schweri informed me that they can't ship outside >Switzerland. >> > > >> > >2. Price is in Swiss Franks: 8.90 Swiss Franks = $5.27 US dollars >per >> > > Sony Super Metal Master 60 minute tape. That's without shipping >osts >> > > if they could be sent here. >> > > >> > >3. Knock yourself out. I tried to order 90 pieces over a month >ago. >> > > >> > >Good luck, >> > >________________ Marc Stager > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Feb 26 04:04:09 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:04:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega References: <004001c1bdd3$e21a7b60$2772fea9@c994264g> <3C79F477.A7A2D3C8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C7AFB29.B8ABDFC0@snet.net> I ran the Delta and Sigma combination for quite a while and found the Delta to be one of the nicest transports I've encountered with a pretty darn massive disk stabilizer. About the only down side on that transport is the lack of a real stop button. Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > I have not listened to the CAL Delta, Denon DCD-1650AR and Pioneer > PD-65 side by side, so I don't know how their performance compares. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > >> I really wanted to purchase a Pioneer PD-65. In fact, I've been >> tracking it for a while. I posed a question to another 'phile, >> asking them what they thought about it. I mentioned that I already >> had a Pioneer Elite CLD-79 LD/CD and CAL Delta. The reply back was >> that I needed to consider maybe the Denon DCD-1650AR, since I >> already was using the Direct CD feature of the CLD-79, and the >> Legato Link Conversion was the same in all Pioneers. Also same >> person thought the transport of the Elite PD-65 was as stable as >> Elite CLD-79. The Denon was purported to be an improvement over the >> CAL Delta as well.I don't know if I could refute that, but I really >> wanted to get a Elite PD-65. But the Legato Conversion Link reason >> really held me back. I was told that the 20-bit DACs and transport >> on the Denon was distinctively better. Hmm, is it really the same >> technology that is used in all Pioneers that employ Legato Link >> Conversion (I guess this is a Pioneer DAC ??). Hopefully someone can >> shed some light if the Legato Link is the same through out the Elite >> line.I really like my Cal Audio Lab Delta, and that is a very solid >> transport. Requires a separate DAC, but IMHO has a wider soundspace, >> open and distinctly cleaner sound than the Elite CLD-79. Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com >> [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim >> Volpatti >> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:41 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega >> Hi Graham, >> >> I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer >> Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the >> Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more >> transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate >> on the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport >> too. >> >> Jim Volpatti >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue Feb 26 04:10:41 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:10:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Pioneer PD-65 References: <002601c1be2c$b5f11a40$089b193e@a4s1s2> <3C7A8FBF.F8394311@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C7AFCB0.276325AC@snet.net> Same thing happened on a couple of Pioneer's I've owned. A drop of crazy glue on the edge of the lens and all was fine again... of course you have to make sure to put it in with the proper side in the laser housing! Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > I purchased PD-65 new in 1993 at the retail price of $800. About four > years ago, it stopped reading CDs so I brought it to a local repair > shop. It seems that the lens, IIRC, became unglued, necessitating > replacement of the laser assembly. The repair bill came to > approximately $125. > > I replaced the Pioneer recently with a Otari CDR-18 professional CD > recorder built by Pioneer. It uses the same Stable Platter mechanism > and Legato Link filter. Before I purchased the the Otari I compared > the playback of the CDR-18 and the PD-65 side by side. To my surprise, > they were identical. I paid $460 for the Otari and later sold the > Pioneer for $400. Not a bad deal. I still haven't gotten around to > burning any CDs though. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > >> I forgot to add, funnily enough, I've been looking for a PD-65 on >> e-Bay for ages. Not come by one yet. Stephen swears by the 65, I >> think, too. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com >> [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti >> Sent: 25 February 2002 07:41 AM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega >> Hi Graham, >> >> I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer >> Elite PD-65, if possible. Compared side-by-side with the >> Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the midrange was more >> transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate >> on the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport >> too. >> >> Jim Volpatti >> >> >> >> >> "J. Soulantikas" wrote: >> >> > Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only >> > problem is that it has a Sony mechanism which is less >> > good than Philips. Any way I had some problems with it >> > jumping trucks and had it serviced, The representative of >> > the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine >> > dirt. I wonder whether I should believe him. >> > -----Original Message----- >> > >> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com >> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham >> > Nelson >> > Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega >> > >> > Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or >> > know much about their guts, esp. transport mechanism and >> > if its any good? >> > Graham >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Feb 26 06:07:25 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:07:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Seeks Protection References: <04c001c1be4d$c7e16040$af021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <03bf01c1be83$7b638f00$b7ed3fd0@oemcomputer> I love public companies don't you just wish you could explain your own personal bankruptcy with a line like "The bankruptcy filing will help the company "erase mistakes made by previous managers,"" and then continue to get credit like Nakamichi will .... Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 5:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Seeks Protection Nakamichi in trouble. http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1272 Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 07:24:46 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:24:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega References: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> Message-ID: <01f501c1be8e$49d035a0$3d3442cf@sank1> Umm, having the Sony mech is a positive vs having the horrible Philips mech. Regardless of which Sony mech it may be. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Soulantikas" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 6:29 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Rega > Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only problem is that it > has a Sony mechanism which is less good than Philips. Any way I had some > problems with it jumping trucks and had it serviced, The representative > of the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine dirt. I > wonder whether I should believe him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about > their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 07:31:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:31:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega References: <004001c1bdd3$e21a7b60$2772fea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <01fe01c1be8f$49a16800$3d3442cf@sank1> I would not quite call myself a fan of the PD-65, but it is not a player I would say is bad at all. I am no fan of the 1-bit dac versions of "legato link", but the lower jitter in the PD-65 & PD-S95 make it reasonably "upper echelon", sound-wise. I just had a PD-65 on my bench on Friday, with the common fault of the lens having fallen out. This is a problem that Pioneer should have addressed, after having so many lenses fall out of the previous generation CD lasers, but, alas, the lens in these PEA1030 lasers are no more firmly glued in place at all. Rather appalling, having poor gluing on an inverted-use laser & doing nothing about it for years. Fortunately, when this happens, the lens is usually to be found rattling around the player & can be cleaned & glued back into place, making the pickup good as new. Once in a while, though, the lens finds an escape route out of the unit. It does not surprise me at all that the CLD-79 loses the "sonic test". It's honestly a piece of crap, especially compared to my favorites, the CLD-95 & CLD-3080, both of which are damned hard to beat as stand-alone CD players, or as transports. And no lens-dropping problems! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Rega > I really wanted to purchase a Pioneer PD-65. In fact, I've been tracking it > for a while. I posed a question to another 'phile, asking them what they > thought about it. I mentioned that I already had a Pioneer Elite CLD-79 > LD/CD and CAL Delta. > > The reply back was that I needed to consider maybe the Denon DCD-1650AR, > since I already was using the Direct CD feature of the CLD-79, and the > Legato Link Conversion was the same in all Pioneers. Also same person > thought the transport of the Elite PD-65 was as stable as Elite CLD-79. The > Denon was purported to be an improvement over the CAL Delta as well. > > I don't know if I could refute that, but I really wanted to get a Elite > PD-65. But the Legato Conversion Link reason really held me back. I was told > that the 20-bit DACs and transport on the Denon was distinctively better. > > Hmm, is it really the same technology that is used in all Pioneers that > employ Legato Link Conversion (I guess this is a Pioneer DAC ??). Hopefully > someone can shed some light if the Legato Link is the same through out the > Elite line. > > I really like my Cal Audio Lab Delta, and that is a very solid transport. > Requires a separate DAC, but IMHO has a wider soundspace, open and > distinctly cleaner sound than the Elite CLD-79. > > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > > Hi Graham, > I would recommend that you give a listen to the Pioneer Elite PD-65, if > possible. Compared side-by-side with the Rega Planet 2000, I felt that the > midrange was more transparent and the highs were more natural and delicate > on the Pioneer. It works pretty damn well as a transport too. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "J. Soulantikas" wrote: > > Great Cd player. I love mine. It sounds great. Only problem is that it > has a Sony mechanism which is less good than Philips. Any way I had some > problems with it jumping trucks and had it serviced, The representative of > the thing in Belgium told me that it was due to nicotine dirt. I wonder > whether I should believe him. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: zondag, februari 24, 2002 10:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega > > > Anyone got any strong views about Rega CD players, or know much about > their guts, esp. transport mechanism and if its any good? > Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 07:35:31 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:35:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: Message-ID: <020601c1be8f$ca18aca0$3d3442cf@sank1> Unfortunately, Stereophile mag does little, if any, research or follow-up on ANY product for reliability stats, so one must take this into account. So far, I have yet to discover any evidence of an *actually reliable* DVD player/transport. The only thing I can say is that the Sony players seem to have failures that are NOT laser failures most often, whereas everyone else seems to have no clue how to make a DVD laser that will last more than six months. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > Hi everyone, > > What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am > looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport > system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is > multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision > disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be reliable > (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities > are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done > through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest > decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to �600 ($800 US > dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go > for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. > > If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would > especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are > cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. > > Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 07:59:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:59:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> <007d01c1bbb6$f6593d10$96021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <023d01c1be93$1f1f4ee0$3d3442cf@sank1> Well, I can say that, aside from the "Showermike", my dad was NOT asked to return review samples from Koss or Infinity, but WAS asked to return the sample from Stax(these all being headphone samples). I don't know if Nakamichi "forgot" to ask for the CM-700 mic pair back, or if my dad liked them so much that he bought them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen > That's pretty neat. > > Speaking of magazine "fame", Stephen, I saw a reprint in the Audiophile > Voice of a letter you sent in about "bribes for good reviews" by > manufacturers; would you care to share who this particular manufacturer was > that you had the "smoking gun" on? > > Has anyone else read this magazine? If so, what are your thoughts of it? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:11 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk > > > > Has everyone seen this? > > > > http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?231 > > > > --Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 08:03:35 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:03:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen References: <6.24728f15.29a74a1e@aol.com> <002801c1bbb3$384683d0$64fbb440@pii366custom> <007d01c1bbb6$f6593d10$96021fac@brianm> <3C7670A3.117D55FC@concentric.net> <001901c1bbc3$bbb36e80$45289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <024601c1be93$b5f225e0$3d3442cf@sank1> I think "warmth" means drastically different sonic aspects to different people. It's one of the few terms that I genuinely dislike for writing reviews. Mostly, I think, it means somewhat rolled off top end & overly lush midrange, and, often, mushy bass. To me, this is a typical description of BADLY designed or badly built tube equipment. A really well-designed audio device using tubes, such as my redesigned Moscode amps & preamps, I have never felt at all compelled to use the word "warmth" about, and none of my clients have used the word, either. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen > > Hi Ron, > > Interestingly, that 'warmth' was also the impression i got when i first heard (older) naks. Probably on this article / cassette's case, most decks were lacking in the mid freq - upper bass area, therefore vocals sounded thin compared to nak decks ... So maybe he didn't mean added warmth. S'phile (or any mags') reviews that imho kind of 'insulting' are the ones on equipment supports - cones, racks etc, but then again those reviews never accompanied by any backup measurement. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:24 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naktalk / Stephen > > > > I found the article's reference to Nakamichi > 'warmth' (compared to 'tube sound') quite > amusing. I never thought my CR-7 sound was > warm, but rather, 'accurate' (meaning: what > you put is is what you get out), with very > little modification. By contrast, tubes > sound 'warm', precisely because they are not > accurate and do modify the sound. > > To me, *added* warmth is not a good thing. It > represents distortion that, as pleasant > sounding as it may be to some, is still > distortion: something that wasn't present in > the original, but added by the equipment. > > This is why I find it difficult to relate to > Stereophile's views of Audio. They are immersed > in their preconceived notions and platitudes. > They loosely apply them, even when not warranted. > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph Tue Feb 26 07:59:16 2002 From: mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:59:16 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player References: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> <01f501c1be8e$49d035a0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000701c1be93$1b070780$8ffd10ac@1st.ebank> Fellow Nak enthusiasts: May I draw on the collective experience and wisdom of this group about an infrequently discussed Nakamichi - the CD Player. I have an opportunity to acquire a Nakamichi MB-2S CD Player in good working condition. What sets this apart from other CD players seems to be a unique feature: it will load up to seven (7) CDs all at once and you can access any track nearly at will. I understand the machine was manufactured ca. 1991. I own a Dragon and the family resemblance is fairly evident. Does anyone have any experience with this machine? Is it any good? I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. 1116-H J. Nakpil St. Malate, Metro Manila Philippines 1004 mariano at starnet.net.ph ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 08:49:40 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:49:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player References: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> <01f501c1be8e$49d035a0$3d3442cf@sank1> <000701c1be93$1b070780$8ffd10ac@1st.ebank> Message-ID: <029f01c1be9a$260cd220$3d3442cf@sank1> Although the MB-2s(& 1s, 3s, 4s) had a slightly faster disc change time than the predecessor models, MB-2 & CDPlayer2, all Nak players with that mechanism had high failure rates, and the MB-2s was also clearly inferior in sound to the MB-2(which was merely a cosmetic re-dress of the CDPlayer2). Except for needing one belt replaced every 2 or 3 years(the tray load belt), the mech used in the MB-2(& MB-1,3, CDPlayer1,2,3) is virtually 100 percent reliable. Further, the MB-2/CDPlayer2 is my personal choice of the best sounding CD player Nak ever made(short of the Dragon CD models & the 1000mb). I just bought an MB-2 for a friend, in fact. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." To: Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player > Fellow Nak enthusiasts: > > May I draw on the collective experience and wisdom of this group about an > infrequently discussed Nakamichi - the CD Player. > > I have an opportunity to acquire a Nakamichi MB-2S CD Player in good working > condition. What sets this apart from other CD players seems to be a unique > feature: it will load up to seven (7) CDs all at once and you can access any > track nearly at will. I understand the machine was manufactured ca. 1991. I > own a Dragon and the family resemblance is fairly evident. > > Does anyone have any experience with this machine? Is it any good? > > I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. > > Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. > 1116-H J. Nakpil St. > Malate, Metro Manila > Philippines 1004 > > mariano at starnet.net.ph > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 26 09:19:15 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:19:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Seeks Protection In-Reply-To: <03bf01c1be83$7b638f00$b7ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <005101c1be9e$47839340$089b193e@a4s1s2> I think a previous UK Prime Minister, Edward Heath, had a term for it ... the "unacceptable face of capitalism..." !! While they are busy erasing the mistakes made by previous managers there'll be a line of small suppliers going to the wall (may be some will even lose their homes - it happens often enough in the UK) because of unpaid invoices previously sent to Nakamichi. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 26 February 2002 05:07 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Seeks Protection I love public companies don't you just wish you could explain your own personal bankruptcy with a line like "The bankruptcy filing will help the company "erase mistakes made by previous managers,"" and then continue to get credit like Nakamichi will .... Warren - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Tue Feb 26 13:15:06 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 15:15:06 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] NAC-100 Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5992@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334636452 Does anybody know, what's this? Ain't it a modified T-100 or something? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Feb 26 14:43:08 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:43:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player References: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> <01f501c1be8e$49d035a0$3d3442cf@sank1> <000701c1be93$1b070780$8ffd10ac@1st.ebank> Message-ID: <001101c1becb$86fab3a0$54289bca@smarzuki> Howdy neighbour, >From what i learned from Stephen, and imho, the ones worth hunting are: 1. CD Player 1, MB1 (without s), both are quite rare. 2. CD Player 2, MB2 and MB1-s. 3. CD Player 3 (probably MB3 is also the identical twin) Those players feature twin 20 bit Burr Brown dac per channel, except CD Player 3 which uses single 20 bit dac. The 'CD Player' series were still made in japan, while MB models were already made in taiwan. The only 'drawback' of CD Player line was its gray sleek design ... which would not blend well with the rest of average black system. The MB2-s, 3-s and CD4 use single 18 bit Analog Devices dac, while MB4s is unimpressive. Earlier models (with 1st gen music bank mechanism, i.e. CD/MB) have that typical Nak design overkill such as separate voltage supplies for different area / stages, while the newer MB-s are, well, much like modern cost cutting players. Overall, i suggest that you wait some more, or at least find an MB1-s. Apart from belt changes, those older players are roughly maintenance-free. Optics for non-s series are also more widely available than MB-s series. Due to the adventurous-ness of previous owner, my MB1-s already require optics change ... but that's a rare case. Hope that helps (if not to add confusion !! :-) Best regards, Salim SM Jakarta ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player Fellow Nak enthusiasts: May I draw on the collective experience and wisdom of this group about an infrequently discussed Nakamichi - the CD Player. I have an opportunity to acquire a Nakamichi MB-2S CD Player in good working condition. What sets this apart from other CD players seems to be a unique feature: it will load up to seven (7) CDs all at once and you can access any track nearly at will. I understand the machine was manufactured ca. 1991. I own a Dragon and the family resemblance is fairly evident. Does anyone have any experience with this machine? Is it any good? I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. 1116-H J. 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George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Salim Marzuki Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:48 +0700 Really really appreciate if any of vinyl (and beo :-) lovers have the schematics and willing to share it with me ... schaltungsdienst doesn't carry one, and B&O sent me a users manual - press 'play' to play records. Thanks in advance, Salim SM _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Feb 26 16:35:30 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:35:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <020601c1be8f$ca18aca0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7BAB42.DFB98AC6@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Unfortunately, Stereophile mag does little, if any, research or follow-up on > ANY product for reliability stats, so one must take this into account. SGHT bases recommendations on performance and features, not reliability. > So far, I have yet to discover any evidence of an *actually reliable* DVD > player/transport. The only thing I can say is that the Sony players seem to > have failures that are NOT laser failures most often, whereas everyone else > seems to have no clue how to make a DVD laser that will last more than six > months. I am not aware of any available statistics relating to DVD players. However, I expect -- at least in principle -- reliability of a company's CD players to track their DVD players. Based on that, I wouldn't touch a Sony with a 3.3 meter pole, regardless of their laser quality. Statistically, Panasonic and Pioneer reliability is on the high side -- I've had good luck with both. Personally, I also had good luck with Denon players, even though *statistically* they are not that hot (and, admittedly, their mechanics look and feel like crap). I have had rotten luck with Toshiba (their Service people are scum, to put it mildly), even though *statistically* they are OK. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:48 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am > > looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport > > system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is > > multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision > > disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be > reliable > > (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities > > are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done > > through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest > > decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to £600 ($800 US > > dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go > > for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. > > > > If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would > > especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are > > cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. > > > > Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. > > > > Kelvin. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 16:47:19 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 08:47:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics References: Message-ID: <050801c1bedc$e02099c0$3d3442cf@sank1> Salim, I no longer have the service manual, but I have serviced a few dozen 8002's & am pretty familiar with their common problems. What's the problem with it? P.S.: If it just don't sound good, that's pretty normal! But if one or both channels are distorted, the cartridge is bad & not serviceable, and, worse yet, ridiculously expensive & totally incompatible with any other make of cartridge(the best reason NOT to have a B&O table!). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > I can't really help you, Salim, I can only say that so far I've asked B&O > twice for different service manuals and both times they sent exactly what I > needed and free of charge too. Why don't you try again ? I can give you the > e-mail address of the person I've dealt with, if you wish to try. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Salim Marzuki > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:48 +0700 > > > Really really appreciate if any of vinyl (and beo :-) lovers have the > schematics and willing to share it with me ... schaltungsdienst doesn't > carry one, and B&O sent me a users manual - press 'play' to play records. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 17:26:43 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:26:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <020601c1be8f$ca18aca0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C7BAB42.DFB98AC6@concentric.net> Message-ID: <052b01c1bee2$61253800$3d3442cf@sank1> Ron, The Denon players are all still Panasonic based, are they not? No longer doing Denon warranty, so I'm out of touch on them since the first & second model intros. If Panasonic stats are on the high side, then I really have cause to worry about the DVD industry, as I can say that locally here, the DVD-5000 Denon, for example, is fast approaching 100 percent failure rate on the Panasonic laser pickups, i.e., almost all sold in this area have died. And every Panasonic owner I have talked to, which admittedly isn't many, reports similar experience. This is further evidenced by the fact that Panasonic's own online ordering system is frequently back-ordered on these VED0378 laser pickups. I had thought Pioneer DVD units to be reliable, due to not hearing reports of badness, but then spoke to a Pioneer warranty station tech recently who was as venomous about their units as I get when talking about Philips CDM-12 cd mechanisms! Yikes! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, Stereophile mag does little, if any, research or follow-up on > > ANY product for reliability stats, so one must take this into account. > > SGHT bases recommendations on performance and features, > not reliability. > > > So far, I have yet to discover any evidence of an *actually reliable* DVD > > player/transport. The only thing I can say is that the Sony players seem to > > have failures that are NOT laser failures most often, whereas everyone else > > seems to have no clue how to make a DVD laser that will last more than six > > months. > > I am not aware of any available statistics relating to DVD > players. However, I expect -- at least in principle -- > reliability of a company's CD players to track their DVD > players. > > Based on that, I wouldn't touch a Sony with a 3.3 meter > pole, > regardless of their laser quality. Statistically, Panasonic > and Pioneer reliability is on the high side -- I've had good > luck with both. Personally, I also had good luck with Denon > players, even though *statistically* they are not that hot > (and, admittedly, their mechanics look and feel like crap). > I have had rotten luck with Toshiba (their Service people > are > scum, to put it mildly), even though *statistically* they > are > OK. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "winnie pooh" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:48 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am > > > looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable laser/transport > > > system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is > > > multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, macrovision > > > disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be > > reliable > > > (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing facilities > > > are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be done > > > through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the latest > > > decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to �600 ($800 US > > > dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to go > > > for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. > > > > > > If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I would > > > especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are > > > cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. > > > > > > Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. > > > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 17:32:14 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:32:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAC-100 References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F5992@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <053c01c1bee3$264208c0$3d3442cf@sank1> I have no bloody clue what that thing is. It seems only to have a T-100 case in common with a T-100, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igritski Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAC-100 > http://cgi.ebay.de/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334636452 > > Does anybody know, what's this? Ain't it a modified T-100 or something? > > Nick > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Feb 26 17:35:02 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:35:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Message-ID: OK - I don't have a DVD yet either - but what should I buy ? What's left that isn't crap or something that costs more than my car ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:26:43 -0700 Ron, The Denon players are all still Panasonic based, are they not? No longer doing Denon warranty, so I'm out of touch on them since the first & second model intros. If Panasonic stats are on the high side, then I really have cause to worry about the DVD industry, as I can say that locally here, the DVD-5000 Denon, for example, is fast approaching 100 percent failure rate on the Panasonic laser pickups, i.e., almost all sold in this area have died. And every Panasonic owner I have talked to, which admittedly isn't many, reports similar experience. This is further evidenced by the fact that Panasonic's own online ordering system is frequently back-ordered on these VED0378 laser pickups. I had thought Pioneer DVD units to be reliable, due to not hearing reports of badness, but then spoke to a Pioneer warranty station tech recently who was as venomous about their units as I get when talking about Philips CDM-12 cd mechanisms! Yikes! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Feb 26 18:12:26 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:12:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: Message-ID: <057c01c1bee8$c48c3e60$3d3442cf@sank1> How much did your car cost?=) I don't have a clue if a reliable DVD yet exists, so I'm in favor of the "treat them as disposable" concept of buying the cheapest(within tolerability) one you can get & tossing it in a year or two when it inevitably fails. Hey, isn't this something the environmentalist lobby should get pissed off about? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > OK - I don't have a DVD yet either - but what should I buy ? What's left > that isn't crap or something that costs more than my car ? > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:26:43 -0700 > > Ron, > The Denon players are all still Panasonic based, are they not? No > longer doing Denon warranty, so I'm out of touch on them since the first & > second model intros. If Panasonic stats are on the high side, then I really > have cause to worry about the DVD industry, as I can say that locally here, > the DVD-5000 Denon, for example, is fast approaching 100 percent failure > rate on the Panasonic laser pickups, i.e., almost all sold in this area have > died. And every Panasonic owner I have talked to, which admittedly isn't > many, reports similar experience. This is further evidenced by the fact > that Panasonic's own online ordering system is frequently back-ordered on > these VED0378 laser pickups. I had thought Pioneer DVD units to be > reliable, due to not hearing reports of badness, but then spoke to a Pioneer > warranty station tech recently who was as venomous about their units as I > get when talking about Philips CDM-12 cd mechanisms! Yikes! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Feb 26 18:19:53 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 12:19:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <057c01c1bee8$c48c3e60$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01f001c1bee9$ce23e1c0$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Our local car dealer is giving away Apex DVD Players with a new or used car purchase. Use it until she dies and then trade cars for another. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > How much did your car cost?=) > I don't have a clue if a reliable DVD yet exists, so I'm in favor of the > "treat them as disposable" concept of buying the cheapest(within > tolerability) one you can get & tossing it in a year or two when it > inevitably fails. Hey, isn't this something the environmentalist lobby > should get pissed off about? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > > OK - I don't have a DVD yet either - but what should I buy ? What's left > > that isn't crap or something that costs more than my car ? > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:26:43 -0700 > > > > Ron, > > The Denon players are all still Panasonic based, are they not? No > > longer doing Denon warranty, so I'm out of touch on them since the first & > > second model intros. If Panasonic stats are on the high side, then I > really > > have cause to worry about the DVD industry, as I can say that locally > here, > > the DVD-5000 Denon, for example, is fast approaching 100 percent failure > > rate on the Panasonic laser pickups, i.e., almost all sold in this area > have > > died. And every Panasonic owner I have talked to, which admittedly isn't > > many, reports similar experience. This is further evidenced by the fact > > that Panasonic's own online ordering system is frequently back-ordered on > > these VED0378 laser pickups. I had thought Pioneer DVD units to be > > reliable, due to not hearing reports of badness, but then spoke to a > Pioneer > > warranty station tech recently who was as venomous about their units as I > > get when talking about Philips CDM-12 cd mechanisms! Yikes! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Feb 26 19:13:31 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 13:13:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <020601c1be8f$ca18aca0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C7BAB42.DFB98AC6@concentric.net> <052b01c1bee2$61253800$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7BD04B.7CD9B139@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > The Denon players are all still Panasonic based, are they not? To be honest, I don't know. I quoted CR's statistics, where Panasonic (actually, all Matsushita products) are well high on the reliability list whereas Denon is closer to the bottom. It's possible not all OEM products are of the same reliability, even when made by the same company. > No > longer doing Denon warranty, so I'm out of touch on them since the first & > second model intros. If Panasonic stats are on the high side, then I really > have cause to worry about the DVD industry, as I can say that locally here, > the DVD-5000 Denon, for example, is fast approaching 100 percent failure > rate on the Panasonic laser pickups, i.e., almost all sold in this area have > died. And every Panasonic owner I have talked to, which admittedly isn't > many, reports similar experience. This is further evidenced by the fact > that Panasonic's own online ordering system is frequently back-ordered on > these VED0378 laser pickups. I had thought Pioneer DVD units to be > reliable, due to not hearing reports of badness, but then spoke to a Pioneer > warranty station tech recently who was as venomous about their units as I > get when talking about Philips CDM-12 cd mechanisms! Yikes! View point of Service techs is skewed. They get to see all the bad units but none of those that work flawlessly in consumer homes. I'd rather rely on statistics or personal experience. It seems to me that product reliability is no longer what it used to be. For this reason, I think that quality of Service is just as important to the consumer as product reliability. I have had good experiences with Denon and atrocious experiences with Toshiba. I have never had the need for in warranty service from Pioneer (I have owned a Pioneer 50" RPTV, 3 LD players and a cheapo DVD player). So, when asked what is reliable, I suggest Panasonic, Pioneer and Denon (more or less in that order) and warn against Toshiba and Sony (both offer a 90 day warranty. Presumably, they know why). YMMV -- these are all commodity products. -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Unfortunately, Stereophile mag does little, if any, research or > follow-up on > > > ANY product for reliability stats, so one must take this into account. > > > > SGHT bases recommendations on performance and features, > > not reliability. > > > > > So far, I have yet to discover any evidence of an *actually reliable* > DVD > > > player/transport. The only thing I can say is that the Sony players > seem to > > > have failures that are NOT laser failures most often, whereas everyone > else > > > seems to have no clue how to make a DVD laser that will last more than > six > > > months. > > > > I am not aware of any available statistics relating to DVD > > players. However, I expect -- at least in principle -- > > reliability of a company's CD players to track their DVD > > players. > > > > Based on that, I wouldn't touch a Sony with a 3.3 meter > > pole, > > regardless of their laser quality. Statistically, Panasonic > > and Pioneer reliability is on the high side -- I've had good > > luck with both. Personally, I also had good luck with Denon > > players, even though *statistically* they are not that hot > > (and, admittedly, their mechanics look and feel like crap). > > I have had rotten luck with Toshiba (their Service people > > are > > scum, to put it mildly), even though *statistically* they > > are > > OK. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "winnie pooh" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 6:48 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > > > What is everyone's opinion as to which DVD player is half decent? I am > > > > looking for a DVD player that will have a semi-reliable > laser/transport > > > > system and digital co-axial sound output and S-video output and is > > > > multiregion, not locked to just one region and if possible, > macrovision > > > > disabled. The priority for me is that the laser/transport should be > > > reliable > > > > (Stephen, need your input here!) whereas the onboard processing > facilities > > > > are irrelevant to a certain extent as most of the processing will be > done > > > > through my TagMcLaren AV32R processor (which already have all the > latest > > > > decoders, etc built in). The budget can be extended up to £600 ($800 > US > > > > dollars?) depending on what you all say. What I have decided is not to > go > > > > for a el-cheapo budget model that will break down easily. > > > > > > > > If you all think the Japanese makes are the ones to go for, then I > would > > > > especially welcome Salim's input reagrding whether the DVD players are > > > > cheaper in the Far East compared to the prices in USA or Europe. > > > > > > > > Look forward to all your input and opinions! Cheers. > > > > > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'd really appreciate your email contacts to get the schematics. I only used the beogram for 3 years, store it for another 3 years and it's been dead ever since, 10 yrs ago ... Best regards & thanks much ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics Salim, I no longer have the service manual, but I have serviced a few dozen 8002's & am pretty familiar with their common problems. What's the problem with it? P.S.: If it just don't sound good, that's pretty normal! But if one or both channels are distorted, the cartridge is bad & not serviceable, and, worse yet, ridiculously expensive & totally incompatible with any other make of cartridge(the best reason NOT to have a B&O table!). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > I can't really help you, Salim, I can only say that so far I've asked B&O > twice for different service manuals and both times they sent exactly what I > needed and free of charge too. Why don't you try again ? I can give you the > e-mail address of the person I've dealt with, if you wish to try. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Salim Marzuki > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:48 +0700 > > > Really really appreciate if any of vinyl (and beo :-) lovers have the > schematics and willing to share it with me ... schaltungsdienst doesn't > carry one, and B&O sent me a users manual - press 'play' to play records. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Because - as Ron points out - staff see the problems, they are in a hot-house of problems because sorting out things when they go wrong is their job. They don't get exposure to satisfied customers, of when things go right, which they mostly do. Ron also said: "I'd rather rely on statistics or personal experience." Dangerous! Any good researcher will tell you than your statistics can only ever be as good as the robustness of the sample f rom which they are derived. If the sample is crap your statistics will be crap - the old "garbage in, garbage out" ethos rings as true with statistics as it does with computers. And a sample of one (personal experience) is usually the worst size of sample!! ;oD Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Feb 26 20:59:21 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:59:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <001201c1bef6$0601d460$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C7BE919.22EDB557@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron said: > > [.......] > Ron also said: "I'd rather rely on statistics or > personal experience." > > Dangerous! Any good researcher will tell you than your statistics can only > ever be as good as the robustness of the sample f rom which they are > derived. If the sample is crap your statistics will be crap - the old > "garbage in, garbage out" ethos rings as true with statistics as it does > with computers. And a sample of one (personal experience) is usually the > worst size of sample!! As you pointed out, it all depends on the quality of the statistics. In this case, I quoted CR. They are well versed in statistical analysis -- they are unbiased and this is what they do for a living. I, too, would treat a 'sample of one' with suspicion. However, I quoted experiences with several products of each manufacturer. Also, because I was involved with electronic product R&D and Quality for many years, friends and family turn to me whenever problems arise. Thus, my sample size is comparatively large. Finally -- I offered a view. Certainly, it would be a good idea to correlate with other sources of information, as well. -- Ron > ;oD > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Feb 26 21:45:28 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:45:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics Message-ID: Well, Salim, it seems Mr. Pramanik is no longer there. My last contact (June 2001) was Jannie Schou Christensen Customer Service E-mail address seems to be the same : beoinfo1 at bang-olufsen.dk I cannot be sure about the gender by the person's name, but I would go for Ms. in this case -:). Good Luck ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Salim Marzuki Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:23:19 +0700 Stephen ... LOL ! Actually it did sound quite nice with mmc2, now only one problem: doesn't play =) Thanks to 'orange caps' expertese, i found a totally shorted one - now platter can rotate / stutters, but still doesn't respond to keypush. Using strobodisc, it seems to rotate at 45 rpm+ but display is blinking 33. George, i will try again, but back then i think Ms. Pramanik quite understood what i needed. However, i did get an mmc adaptor to use the cartdridge with another table. I'd really appreciate your email contacts to get the schematics. I only used the beogram for 3 years, store it for another 3 years and it's been dead ever since, 10 yrs ago ... Best regards & thanks much ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics Salim, I no longer have the service manual, but I have serviced a few dozen 8002's & am pretty familiar with their common problems. What's the problem with it? P.S.: If it just don't sound good, that's pretty normal! But if one or both channels are distorted, the cartridge is bad & not serviceable, and, worse yet, ridiculously expensive & totally incompatible with any other make of cartridge(the best reason NOT to have a B&O table!). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > I can't really help you, Salim, I can only say that so far I've asked B&O > twice for different service manuals and both times they sent exactly what I > needed and free of charge too. Why don't you try again ? I can give you the > e-mail address of the person I've dealt with, if you wish to try. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Salim Marzuki > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:48 +0700 > > > Really really appreciate if any of vinyl (and beo :-) lovers have the > schematics and willing to share it with me ... schaltungsdienst doesn't > carry one, and B&O sent me a users manual - press 'play' to play records. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Feb 26 23:09:42 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:09:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics References: Message-ID: <002701c1bf12$4ac7d010$77756acf@johnrotten> Wasn't a stylus shape called the Pramanik? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > Well, Salim, it seems Mr. Pramanik is no longer there. My last contact (June > 2001) was > > Jannie Schou Christensen > Customer Service > > E-mail address seems to be the same : > > beoinfo1 at bang-olufsen.dk > > I cannot be sure about the gender by the person's name, but I would go for > Ms. in this case -:). > > Good Luck ! > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: Salim Marzuki > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 01:23:19 +0700 > > > Stephen ... LOL ! > > Actually it did sound quite nice with mmc2, now only one problem: doesn't > play =) Thanks to 'orange caps' expertese, i found a totally shorted one - > now platter can rotate / stutters, but still doesn't respond to keypush. > Using strobodisc, it seems to rotate at 45 rpm+ but display is blinking 33. > > George, i will try again, but back then i think Ms. Pramanik quite > understood what i needed. However, i did get an mmc adaptor to use the > cartdridge with another table. I'd really appreciate your email contacts to > get the schematics. I only used the beogram for 3 years, store it for > another 3 years and it's been dead ever since, 10 yrs ago ... > > Best regards & thanks much ! > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > > Salim, > I no longer have the service manual, but I have serviced a few dozen > 8002's > & am pretty familiar with their common problems. What's the problem with > it? > > P.S.: If it just don't sound good, that's pretty normal! But if one or > both > channels are distorted, the cartridge is bad & not serviceable, and, > worse > yet, ridiculously expensive & totally incompatible with any other make of > cartridge(the best reason NOT to have a B&O table!). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > > > I can't really help you, Salim, I can only say that so far I've asked > B&O > > twice for different service manuals and both times they sent exactly > what > I > > needed and free of charge too. Why don't you try again ? I can give you > the > > e-mail address of the person I've dealt with, if you wish to try. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Salim Marzuki > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:48 +0700 > > > > > > Really really appreciate if any of vinyl (and beo :-) lovers have the > > schematics and willing to share it with me ... schaltungsdienst doesn't > > carry one, and B&O sent me a users manual - press 'play' to play > records. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Feb 26 23:15:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:15:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players In-Reply-To: <3C7BE919.22EDB557@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002401c1bf13$0c7bac40$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Ron said: As you pointed out, it all depends on the quality of the statistics. In this case, I quoted CR. They are well versed in statistical analysis -- they are unbiased and this is what they do for a living. Point well made. However, as a researcher I am, nevertheless, sceptical of organisations who produce statistics for a living. Some of the international pollster companies, operating both in the UK and USA (you will probably have an idea of who I mean), often make outrageous conclusions from their research which is quite unwarranted by the data they are using. Thus, as a professional, these days I demand to know the source of a sample, the sample size and how the sample was collected before I accept the data as being valid, as I also demand as vigirously the same and more when they make comparisons between one measurement and another as this is often where they stray much too far from the path of credibility. Be wary of companies that make their living this way because they have a vested interest in creating statistics that DO seem to say something, otherwise no one would want to buy them. In my experience, most researchers do an honest job; there are, however, plenty enough, some of them supposedly "industry gurus" and "spokesmen", who are modern-day snake oil salesmen. You got 'em in the hi fi industry, we have in the research industry, too. They like to dress up research as an exact science and themselves as tellers of the truth ... a lot like those makers of exotic multi $k interconnect makers! I, too, would treat a 'sample of one' with suspicion. However, I quoted experiences with several products of each manufacturer. Also, because I was involved with electronic product R&D and Quality for many years, friends and family turn to me whenever problems arise. Thus, my sample size is comparatively large. Finally -- I offered a view. Certainly, it would be a good idea to correlate with other sources of information, as well. Of course. Fair points but I was only teasing you. (Sorry.) -- Ron > ;oD > > Graham > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Tue Feb 26 23:31:47 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:31:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players In-Reply-To: <002401c1bf13$0c7bac40$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000201c1bf15$60fee320$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Did I mentioned that I recently purchased a Phillips Q50 DVD player. Paid 475 bucks for the thing & after 3 months, I have had zero problems. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Ron said: As you pointed out, it all depends on the quality of the statistics. In this case, I quoted CR. They are well versed in statistical analysis -- they are unbiased and this is what they do for a living. Point well made. However, as a researcher I am, nevertheless, sceptical of organisations who produce statistics for a living. Some of the international pollster companies, operating both in the UK and USA (you will probably have an idea of who I mean), often make outrageous conclusions from their research which is quite unwarranted by the data they are using. Thus, as a professional, these days I demand to know the source of a sample, the sample size and how the sample was collected before I accept the data as being valid, as I also demand as vigirously the same and more when they make comparisons between one measurement and another as this is often where they stray much too far from the path of credibility. Be wary of companies that make their living this way because they have a vested interest in creating statistics that DO seem to say something, otherwise no one would want to buy them. In my experience, most researchers do an honest job; there are, however, plenty enough, some of them supposedly "industry gurus" and "spokesmen", who are modern-day snake oil salesmen. You got 'em in the hi fi industry, we have in the research industry, too. They like to dress up research as an exact science and themselves as tellers of the truth ... a lot like those makers of exotic multi $k interconnect makers! I, too, would treat a 'sample of one' with suspicion. However, I quoted experiences with several products of each manufacturer. Also, because I was involved with electronic product R&D and Quality for many years, friends and family turn to me whenever problems arise. Thus, my sample size is comparatively large. Finally -- I offered a view. Certainly, it would be a good idea to correlate with other sources of information, as well. Of course. Fair points but I was only teasing you. (Sorry.) -- Ron > ;oD > > Graham > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From excellent to garbage to sewage in a space of just a few years! And on the subject of same makes under different labels, case in point- In late '80's, I did warranty service on camcorders for Panasonic & Olympus. In spite of the label being absolutely the ONLY difference, the Olympus labeled Panasonics were horrifically less reliable than the Panasonic labeled cameras. It seems that simply putting the Olympus label on something makes it fail. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Ron said: > > > > [.......] > > Ron also said: "I'd rather rely on statistics or > > personal experience." > > > > Dangerous! Any good researcher will tell you than your statistics can only > > ever be as good as the robustness of the sample f rom which they are > > derived. If the sample is crap your statistics will be crap - the old > > "garbage in, garbage out" ethos rings as true with statistics as it does > > with computers. And a sample of one (personal experience) is usually the > > worst size of sample!! > > > As you pointed out, it all depends on the quality of > the statistics. In this case, I quoted CR. They are > well versed in statistical analysis -- they are > unbiased and this is what they do for a living. > > I, too, would treat a 'sample of one' with suspicion. > However, I quoted experiences with several products > of each manufacturer. Also, because I was involved > with electronic product R&D and Quality for many years, > friends and family turn to me whenever problems arise. > Thus, my sample size is comparatively large. > > Finally -- I offered a view. Certainly, it would be a > good idea to correlate with other sources of information, > as well. > > -- Ron > > > > > ;oD > > > > Graham > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph Wed Feb 27 04:50:29 2002 From: mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:50:29 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player References: <000801c1bd37$45930b00$9600000a@jannis> <01f501c1be8e$49d035a0$3d3442cf@sank1> <000701c1be93$1b070780$8ffd10ac@1st.ebank> <001101c1becb$86fab3a0$54289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002601c1bf41$e6475ae0$8ffd10ac@1st.ebank> Many thanks to Messrs. Salim Marzuki and Stephen Sank for their generous and thoughtful advice. Driven by bias for all things Nakamichi, I went back to the store to audition the MB-2s CD Player. I found the performance quite adequate (for the modest asking price), however, I called off the intended purchase after being disappointed with the the remote control. Cheers! Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. 1116-H J. Nakpil St. Malate, Metro Manila Philippines 1004 mariano at starnet.net.ph ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player Howdy neighbour, From what i learned from Stephen, and imho, the ones worth hunting are: 1. CD Player 1, MB1 (without s), both are quite rare. 2. CD Player 2, MB2 and MB1-s. 3. CD Player 3 (probably MB3 is also the identical twin) Those players feature twin 20 bit Burr Brown dac per channel, except CD Player 3 which uses single 20 bit dac. The 'CD Player' series were still made in japan, while MB models were already made in taiwan. The only 'drawback' of CD Player line was its gray sleek design ... which would not blend well with the rest of average black system. The MB2-s, 3-s and CD4 use single 18 bit Analog Devices dac, while MB4s is unimpressive. Earlier models (with 1st gen music bank mechanism, i.e. CD/MB) have that typical Nak design overkill such as separate voltage supplies for different area / stages, while the newer MB-s are, well, much like modern cost cutting players. Overall, i suggest that you wait some more, or at least find an MB1-s. Apart from belt changes, those older players are roughly maintenance-free. Optics for non-s series are also more widely available than MB-s series. Due to the adventurous-ness of previous owner, my MB1-s already require optics change ... but that's a rare case. Hope that helps (if not to add confusion !! :-) Best regards, Salim SM Jakarta ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CD Player Fellow Nak enthusiasts: May I draw on the collective experience and wisdom of this group about an infrequently discussed Nakamichi - the CD Player. I have an opportunity to acquire a Nakamichi MB-2S CD Player in good working condition. What sets this apart from other CD players seems to be a unique feature: it will load up to seven (7) CDs all at once and you can access any track nearly at will. I understand the machine was manufactured ca. 1991. I own a Dragon and the family resemblance is fairly evident. Does anyone have any experience with this machine? Is it any good? I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. 1116-H J. Nakpil St. Malate, Metro Manila Philippines 1004 mariano at starnet.net.ph ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From SBarr12393 at aol.com Wed Feb 27 05:13:07 2002 From: SBarr12393 at aol.com (SBarr12393 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:13:07 EST Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question Message-ID: <175.43b5aa4.29adb6d3@aol.com> In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. John >> Do you prefer DAT over cassette? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 27 05:35:36 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:35:36 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players In-Reply-To: <060101c1bf3d$08cac020$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003501c1bf48$339a8640$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> That is fascinating, esp. the Olympus-Panasonic example. The only explanation for this that occurs to me is that the quality control at the factory was tighter for the Panasonic labelled versions. Perhaps they were even made at different sites? I recall there was a time in the 1970's or 80s when German made Ford cars, especially the Escort brand, were better put together, were more reliable, than the exact same cars made in the UK. Indeed, they were (still are!) cheaper, too, so that some people would rather go to Holland or German to order a specially made right-hand drive Ford than buy the same model car in the UK that had been made in a UK factory. (I am told the quality control is now much tighter and more uniform across their sites, although I have no personal experience of this either way. Although I do have of Ford car service and note their leap into more complex designs, from the Mondeo models onwards, has meant that routine servicing and replacement of various parts now takes longer than it used to do and is, therefore, more costly! For example, the replacement of a heater mechanism, whenit was a mechanical, lever system, was (according to their own service book) a job that took about half the time than i would to replace the more modern vacuum/electronic system .... so much for progress!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 27 February 2002 03:16 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players The other side of being the warranty tech is that you see *how quickly* failures come up. This is very telling of quality, as is the added ability of being in close touch with exactly where corners have been cut in succeding models. Case in point- Working Pioneer warranty at the transition from CLD-3080/95 to CLD-3090/D701 to CLD-99 cd/ld player generations. A leap off a cliff, followed by a slide onto jagged rocks! From excellent to garbage to sewage in a space of just a few years! And on the subject of same makes under different labels, case in point- In late '80's, I did warranty service on camcorders for Panasonic & Olympus. In spite of the label being absolutely the ONLY difference, the Olympus labeled Panasonics were horrifically less reliable than the Panasonic labeled cameras. It seems that simply putting the Olympus label on something makes it fail. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Feb 27 06:30:21 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:30:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <003501c1bf48$339a8640$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <067401c1bf4f$da1c64a0$3d3442cf@sank1> Graham, you seem to be having a problem with rambling today.;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > That is fascinating, esp. the Olympus-Panasonic example. The only > explanation for this that occurs to me is that the quality control at the > factory was tighter for the Panasonic labelled versions. Perhaps they were > even made at different sites? I recall there was a time in the 1970's or > 80s when German made Ford cars, especially the Escort brand, were better put > together, were more reliable, than the exact same cars made in the UK. > Indeed, they were (still are!) cheaper, too, so that some people would > rather go to Holland or German to order a specially made right-hand drive > Ford than buy the same model car in the UK that had been made in a UK > factory. (I am told the quality control is now much tighter and more > uniform across their sites, although I have no personal experience of this > either way. Although I do have of Ford car service and note their leap into > more complex designs, from the Mondeo models onwards, has meant that routine > servicing and replacement of various parts now takes longer than it used to > do and is, therefore, more costly! For example, the replacement of a heater > mechanism, whenit was a mechanical, lever system, was (according to their > own service book) a job that took about half the time than i would to > replace the more modern vacuum/electronic system .... so much for progress!) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 27 February 2002 03:16 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > The other side of being the warranty tech is that you see *how quickly* > failures come up. This is very telling of quality, as is the added ability > of being in close touch with exactly where corners have been cut in > succeding models. Case in point- Working Pioneer warranty at the transition > from CLD-3080/95 to CLD-3090/D701 to CLD-99 cd/ld player generations. A > leap off a cliff, followed by a slide onto jagged rocks! From excellent to > garbage to sewage in a space of just a few years! > And on the subject of same makes under different labels, case in point- In > late '80's, I did warranty service on camcorders for Panasonic & Olympus. > In spite of the label being absolutely the ONLY difference, the Olympus > labeled Panasonics were horrifically less reliable than the Panasonic > labeled cameras. It seems that simply putting the Olympus label on > something makes it fail. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Feb 27 06:40:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:40:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics References: <050801c1bedc$e02099c0$3d3442cf@sank1> <005201c1bef2$aae238c0$54289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <067f01c1bf51$49450200$3d3442cf@sank1> Taxing my memory a bit on the B&O. The most common fault was pin oxidation on the main processor socket. As I recall, this was heatsunk by the shiled cover, by pressure & heatsink compound. Most of the time, when you pulled the cover, the processor would come out with it, due to the compound getting gummy. Also remember quite a few instances of needing to take apart the keypads to clean the contact areas & re-bend the contactor sheet metal bits. Oh, a the most annoying fault(pretty sure it's an 8002 fault & not a 4004 fault) relates to the speed control- There is a clear plastic strobe disc that is seen by a photo-interrupter for servo feedback. The black lines on the disc have an annoying tendency to flake off. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > Stephen ... LOL ! > > Actually it did sound quite nice with mmc2, now only one problem: doesn't play =) Thanks to 'orange caps' expertese, i found a totally shorted one - now platter can rotate / stutters, but still doesn't respond to keypush. Using strobodisc, it seems to rotate at 45 rpm+ but display is blinking 33. > > George, i will try again, but back then i think Ms. Pramanik quite understood what i needed. However, i did get an mmc adaptor to use the cartdridge with another table. I'd really appreciate your email contacts to get the schematics. I only used the beogram for 3 years, store it for another 3 years and it's been dead ever since, 10 yrs ago ... > > Best regards & thanks much ! > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > > Salim, > I no longer have the service manual, but I have serviced a few dozen 8002's > & am pretty familiar with their common problems. What's the problem with > it? > > P.S.: If it just don't sound good, that's pretty normal! But if one or both > channels are distorted, the cartridge is bad & not serviceable, and, worse > yet, ridiculously expensive & totally incompatible with any other make of > cartridge(the best reason NOT to have a B&O table!). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Valkov" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 7:52 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > > > I can't really help you, Salim, I can only say that so far I've asked B&O > > twice for different service manuals and both times they sent exactly what > I > > needed and free of charge too. Why don't you try again ? I can give you > the > > e-mail address of the person I've dealt with, if you wish to try. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: Salim Marzuki > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:48 +0700 > > > > > > Really really appreciate if any of vinyl (and beo :-) lovers have the > > schematics and willing to share it with me ... schaltungsdienst doesn't > > carry one, and B&O sent me a users manual - press 'play' to play records. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 27 06:59:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:59:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette In-Reply-To: <175.43b5aa4.29adb6d3@aol.com> Message-ID: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as hens' teeth! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. John >> Do you prefer DAT over cassette? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 27 09:08:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:08:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players In-Reply-To: <067401c1bf4f$da1c64a0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003701c1bf65$fa07c5a0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah - I caught a dose of verbal diarrhoea! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 27 February 2002 05:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players Graham, you seem to be having a problem with rambling today.;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 27 09:11:56 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:11:56 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics Message-ID: Thanks for the idea, Stephen ! Hopefully it's a more basic caps n transistors problem. Processor pins are okay, most likely because cover was already pulled out on 6th year ... 8002 has ever since in a disassembled form. That flakey lines must've been from another b&o :-) as this one has thin metal strobodisc attached on bottom part of spindle (with rectangular holes instead of sticker). Anyway 'servo feedback' circuitry apparently doesn't work - platter rotates straight past 33 rpm mark then stabilise at 45+ rpm (as seen on 'Dual' strobe disc). I thought nak's board are cluttered, but trying to trace b&o pcb gave me headache ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:40 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - beogram 8002 schematics > Taxing my memory a bit on the B&O. The most common fault was pin > oxidationon the main processor socket. As I recall, this was > heatsunk by the shiled > cover, by pressure & heatsink compound. Most of the time, when > you pulled > the cover, the processor would come out with it, due to the > compound getting > gummy. Also remember quite a few instances of needing to take > apart the > keypads to clean the contact areas & re-bend the contactor sheet > metal bits. > Oh, a the most annoying fault(pretty sure it's an 8002 fault & not > a 4004 > fault) relates to the speed control- There is a clear plastic > strobe disc > that is seen by a photo-interrupter for servo feedback. The black > lines on > the disc have an annoying tendency to flake off. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 27 15:52:49 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question References: <175.43b5aa4.29adb6d3@aol.com> Message-ID: <002d01c1bf9e$73f971f0$58756acf@johnnyrotten> Graham's reply gets to the point. DAT 2hr. feature is very nice compared with a C-90 flip, excluding Dragon. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > John >> > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 27 16:05:37 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:05:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <002401c1bf13$0c7bac40$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C7CF5C1.79EABB43@concentric.net> > Point well made. However, as a researcher I am, > nevertheless, sceptical of organisations who produce > statistics for a living. I should have elucidated. CR is a consumer oriented *non-profit* organization, devoted to reviewing products. They have no ax to grind, either way. They do statistical analysis 'for a living' in the sense that they deal with it day in and day out. Personally, I trust them. > Of course. Fair points but I was only teasing you. > (Sorry.) Touché... But when it gets to A/V equipment quality, I tend to become dead serious. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Feb 27 16:35:35 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:35:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! Message-ID: <000a01c1bfa4$67142600$66289bca@smarzuki> Is this really happening ??? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334948581 SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 27 16:30:22 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:30:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony DVD Players Message-ID: <009801c1bfa3$b3506750$58756acf@johnnyrotten> Video Direct Distributers has Sony DVP-NS300/B & DVP-NS300/S CD/DVD players for $99 each. http://www.videodirect.com/news/issue46/newsletter.html John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Feb 27 16:49:57 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 07:49:57 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! In-Reply-To: <000a01c1bfa4$67142600$66289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003c01c1bfa6$68a11cb0$2772fea9@c994264g> Maybe the 'epayinlima' bidder who won the Nak ZX-9 auction for $1000 is bringing their other friends. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! Is this really happening ??? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334948581 SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed Feb 27 16:57:42 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:57:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! References: <000a01c1bfa4$67142600$66289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00c301c1bfa7$7e376dd0$af021fac@brianm> What is with that?????? My goodness, I know of some much cheaper. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! Is this really happening ??? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334948581 SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Feb 27 17:07:46 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:07:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <002401c1bf13$0c7bac40$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> <3C7CF5C1.79EABB43@concentric.net> Message-ID: <070001c1bfa8$e69945a0$3d3442cf@sank1> Historically, as in present day & back 20 years or so, I have consistently found CR to be wildly inaccurate on audio/video quality assessments, both in terms of performance & reliability, vs my own experience & that of every tech I've ever known. I am pretty darn sure that if you read the "fine print", you'll find that CR "farms out" the analysis work to private companies. Even if I am incorrect about that, I nevertheless have always found CR's findings to be *extremely* suspect. Something like 50 percent of the incidents where I have said to a customer who has brought a broken unit of some sort in for service, in politer words, "Why the hell did you buy that piece of crap?", the response has been, "It was rated highly by CR." This is not an exaggeration. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > Point well made. However, as a researcher I am, > > nevertheless, sceptical of organisations who produce > > statistics for a living. > > I should have elucidated. CR is a consumer oriented > *non-profit* organization, devoted to reviewing > products. They have no ax to grind, either way. > They do statistical analysis 'for a living' in the > sense that they deal with it day in and day out. > Personally, I trust them. > > > Of course. Fair points but I was only teasing you. > > (Sorry.) > > Touch�... But when it gets to A/V equipment quality, > I tend to become dead serious. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Feb 27 17:10:24 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:10:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! References: <000a01c1bfa4$67142600$66289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <070e01c1bfa9$44c00e20$3d3442cf@sank1> Saw that one yesterday & couldn't believe it. I wonder if the guy has done some bidding under another handle on his own piece, to drive up the price. Totally insane, especially considering that this Dragon is no less likely to have servo & etc. problems than any other, and in fact is likely to have additional problems with grease seizure, etc., from lack of use! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: [naktalk] dragon for $1,526 only, 2 days left, hurry ! > > Is this really happening ??? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334948581 > > SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Feb 27 19:20:17 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:20:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z Message-ID: <3C7D2360.5F4EB0D0@sunint.co.za> Hi all, I just bought a Nak 480Z in great shape. I know this has been the subject of previous discussion, but at what point did the sendust heads cease being used and get replaced with crystalloy ones. This deck has a pressure pad lifter on what looks like a crystalloy head. Which models/when/discrette/combination? According to Wouter's site, the head concerned is an RP-9E. Many thanks, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Feb 27 19:35:01 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:35:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette In-Reply-To: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: I had the opportunity.....once...to record a live Zero show and was able to use a Nakamichi ZX9 along with a Marantz Prodat unit. Unfortunately only the stock mic preamp on the prodat was used; a nakamichi 3 channel mic mixer was used for the zx9. Mics were AKG c61 preamps with ck1 cardioid capsules. The result? I listed to the cassettes to this day; the DATs remail in the drawer unless somebody wants a digital copy. The analogue tape sounds.....smoother? They both are very good; I'd like to do the same thing but with high quality mic preamplifiers and D/A converters. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as hens' teeth! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, jmtooley at ce.net writes: << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. John >> Do you prefer DAT over cassette? -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 27 21:09:37 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:09:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players References: <002401c1bf13$0c7bac40$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> <3C7CF5C1.79EABB43@concentric.net> <070001c1bfa8$e69945a0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7D3D01.2B15AD58@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Historically, as in present day & back 20 years or so, I have consistently > found CR to be wildly inaccurate on audio/video quality assessments, both in > terms of performance & reliability, vs my own experience & that of every > tech I've ever known. I am pretty darn sure that if you read the "fine > print", you'll find that CR "farms out" the analysis work to private > companies. Even if I am incorrect about that, I nevertheless have always > found CR's findings to be *extremely* suspect. > Something like 50 percent of the incidents where I have said to a customer > who has brought a broken unit of some sort in for service, in politer words, > "Why the hell did you buy that piece of crap?", the response has been, "It > was rated highly by CR." This is not an exaggeration. CR rates reliability based on reader responses to an extensive questionnaire. I have filled such questionnaires several times. They do *not* require the respondent to understand (or even know) what a problem was -- just that a problem actually occurred, what it was related to and how much it cost to repair. I find it hard to believe that they would engage an outside vendor to do their statistical analysis. First, because it would not be cost effective for them. Second, because it would be dangerous -- they are legally bound by what they print. CR does not accept advertising; in fact, they do not even allow manufacturers to quote the published results. In any case, the published methodology is theirs. It is important to understand "statistics". If CR recommends product X that has a 15% failure rate during the 1st year because all other tested products have a much higher failure rate, then anyone following that advice still has a 15% chance of incurring a problem in the 1st year. However, they are still better off, *statistically*, than someone who bought the competing products. When you pronounce a product as crap, you are applying judgment. CR applies no judgment whatsoever -- they are simply reporting on what has actually happened in the field. This is a more accurate (not to mention, more uniform) way of characterizing reliability. As to performance ratings -- one has to understand what attributes CR is testing for. For example, I have no problem accepting their recommendations for a kitchen range. However, that would not be the case were I a chef. That's because CR is testing for product characteristics required in the average family kitchen, which do not necessarily correlate with what a chef would want. By the same token, they would probably recommend *against* buying an audio cassette recorder -- excellent advice for at least 90% of the population, but not for you or me. Their speaker 'accuracy' rating are appropriate for the masses that won't spend more than a 100 bucks on a speaker, but not for someone that has $20,000 worth of speakers in his listening room. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:05 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : DVD players > > > > > > Point well made. However, as a researcher I am, > > > nevertheless, sceptical of organisations who produce > > > statistics for a living. > > > > I should have elucidated. CR is a consumer oriented > > *non-profit* organization, devoted to reviewing > > products. They have no ax to grind, either way. > > They do statistical analysis 'for a living' in the > > sense that they deal with it day in and day out. > > Personally, I trust them. > > > > > Of course. Fair points but I was only teasing you. > > > (Sorry.) > > > > Touché... But when it gets to A/V equipment quality, > > I tend to become dead serious. > > > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed Feb 27 21:19:52 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:19:52 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette References: Message-ID: <3C7D3F68.5B71CDFA@concentric.net> Several years ago, Stereo Review ran some listening tests. They faced off a (non Nakamichi) cassette deck against a (Sony???) DAT. The result was a dead heat. Yet, upon very close listening, they concluded that the analog cassette offered an imperceptible edge in fidelity: clarity, smoothness, lack of 'electronic grain'. -- Ron Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > I had the opportunity.....once...to record a live Zero show and was able to > use a Nakamichi ZX9 along with a Marantz Prodat unit. Unfortunately only the > stock mic preamp on the prodat was used; a nakamichi 3 channel mic mixer was > used for the zx9. Mics were AKG c61 preamps with ck1 cardioid capsules. > > The result? I listed to the cassettes to this day; the DATs remail in the > drawer unless somebody wants a digital copy. The analogue tape > sounds.....smoother? They both are very good; I'd like to do the same thing > but with high quality mic preamplifiers and D/A converters. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding > DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses > as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as > some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my > ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has > previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet > successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under > Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some > extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than > that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also > probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, > when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that > I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for > most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. > But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any > of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to > the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with > cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) > identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent > C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... > unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you > ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as > hens' teeth! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > John >> > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Feb 27 21:34:16 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:34:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette References: <3C7D3F68.5B71CDFA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c1bfce$205c1b80$79756acf@johnnyrotten> You mean Stereo Review actually heard a difference, WOW! that's something new. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > Several years ago, Stereo Review ran some listening > tests. They faced off a (non Nakamichi) cassette deck > against a (Sony???) DAT. > > The result was a dead heat. Yet, upon very close > listening, they concluded that the analog cassette > offered an imperceptible edge in fidelity: clarity, > smoothness, lack of 'electronic grain'. > > -- Ron > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > I had the opportunity.....once...to record a live Zero show and was able to > > use a Nakamichi ZX9 along with a Marantz Prodat unit. Unfortunately only the > > stock mic preamp on the prodat was used; a nakamichi 3 channel mic mixer was > > used for the zx9. Mics were AKG c61 preamps with ck1 cardioid capsules. > > > > The result? I listed to the cassettes to this day; the DATs remail in the > > drawer unless somebody wants a digital copy. The analogue tape > > sounds.....smoother? They both are very good; I'd like to do the same thing > > but with high quality mic preamplifiers and D/A converters. > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Graham Nelson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:59 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > > > Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding > > DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses > > as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as > > some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my > > ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has > > previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet > > successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under > > Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some > > extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than > > that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also > > probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, > > when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that > > I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for > > most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. > > But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any > > of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to > > the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with > > cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) > > identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent > > C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... > > unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you > > ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as > > hens' teeth! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > SBarr12393 at aol.com > > Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > > > John >> > > > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Feb 27 21:47:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:47:38 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette In-Reply-To: <3C7D3F68.5B71CDFA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002a01c1bfcf$fe57ffc0$a43887d9@a4s1s2> I seem to recall one of the UK mags did something like that, too, with much the same result (although they weren't using a top gun DAT.) I seem to recall the day they shifted their position was when they tested the Pioneer (PD97???) DAT - that with double the usual sample rate, which all the UK mags waxed lyrical about. HOWEVER, I also recall the cassette decks they compared with it cost something like half that of the Pioneer - not exactly an equal contest. Saw much the same recently (in What Hi FI?) where some £300-£500 CR/Rs and MD machines were compared with something like £150 of Yamaha cassette, Of course, the poor old Yamaha lost! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 27 February 2002 08:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette Several years ago, Stereo Review ran some listening tests. They faced off a (non Nakamichi) cassette deck against a (Sony???) DAT. The result was a dead heat. Yet, upon very close listening, they concluded that the analog cassette offered an imperceptible edge in fidelity: clarity, smoothness, lack of 'electronic grain'. -- Ron Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > I had the opportunity.....once...to record a live Zero show and was able to > use a Nakamichi ZX9 along with a Marantz Prodat unit. Unfortunately only the > stock mic preamp on the prodat was used; a nakamichi 3 channel mic mixer was > used for the zx9. Mics were AKG c61 preamps with ck1 cardioid capsules. > > The result? I listed to the cassettes to this day; the DATs remail in the > drawer unless somebody wants a digital copy. The analogue tape > sounds.....smoother? They both are very good; I'd like to do the same thing > but with high quality mic preamplifiers and D/A converters. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding > DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses > as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as > some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my > ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has > previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet > successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under > Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some > extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than > that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also > probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, > when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that > I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for > most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. > But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any > of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to > the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with > cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) > identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent > C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... > unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you > ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as > hens' teeth! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > John >> > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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All 2-head decks after that had the inferior Sendust head, which rolls off in the bass sooner & has less uniform mid & treble response. All 3-head Naks have had crystalloy heads, except for the "ancient ones"(700/1000 & -II's) which had crystalloy playback(where it counts most) and ferrite record. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 480Z > Hi all, > > I just bought a Nak 480Z in great shape. I know this has been the > subject of previous discussion, but at what point did the sendust heads > cease being used and get replaced with crystalloy ones. This deck has a > pressure pad lifter on what looks like a crystalloy head. Which > models/when/discrette/combination? According to Wouter's site, the head > concerned is an RP-9E. > > Many thanks, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 01:33:00 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:33:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette References: <3C7D3F68.5B71CDFA@concentric.net> <00aa01c1bfce$205c1b80$79756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <07b901c1bfef$7ab73300$3d3442cf@sank1> Stereo Review will be happy to hear a positive difference on any product that is providing them ample advertising revenues. Everybody knows that! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > You mean Stereo Review actually heard a difference, WOW! that's something > new. ;-) > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > > > > > Several years ago, Stereo Review ran some listening > > tests. They faced off a (non Nakamichi) cassette deck > > against a (Sony???) DAT. > > > > The result was a dead heat. Yet, upon very close > > listening, they concluded that the analog cassette > > offered an imperceptible edge in fidelity: clarity, > > smoothness, lack of 'electronic grain'. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > > > I had the opportunity.....once...to record a live Zero show and was able > to > > > use a Nakamichi ZX9 along with a Marantz Prodat unit. Unfortunately only > the > > > stock mic preamp on the prodat was used; a nakamichi 3 channel mic mixer > was > > > used for the zx9. Mics were AKG c61 preamps with ck1 cardioid capsules. > > > > > > The result? I listed to the cassettes to this day; the DATs remail in > the > > > drawer unless somebody wants a digital copy. The analogue tape > > > sounds.....smoother? They both are very good; I'd like to do the same > thing > > > but with high quality mic preamplifiers and D/A converters. > > > > > > Carl > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Graham Nelson > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:59 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > > > > > Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a > budding > > > DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for > courses > > > as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just > as > > > some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true > (to my > > > ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen > has > > > previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet > > > successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player > (under > > > Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some > > > extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better > than > > > that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd > also > > > probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! > Indeed, > > > when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters > that > > > I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for > > > most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. > > > But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used > any > > > of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... > listen to > > > the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with > > > cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should > be) > > > identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably > decent > > > C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... > > > unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have > you > > > ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as > rare as > > > hens' teeth! > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com > > > Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > > > > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > > > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > > > > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > > > > > John >> > > > > > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > > > > > -Sam > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 01:32:40 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:32:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette In-Reply-To: <00aa01c1bfce$205c1b80$79756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: Audio also did something like that; CR7 vs a sony dat I think. It was a tossup...think they mentioned a little more bottom end for dat and smoother highs for the nak...I do NOT recollect if the source was live, though, or a CD recording. Seems an analogue source would be optimum. And then, of course, the quality of the A/D and the D/A come into play. it all sounds pretty damned good carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette You mean Stereo Review actually heard a difference, WOW! that's something new. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > Several years ago, Stereo Review ran some listening > tests. They faced off a (non Nakamichi) cassette deck > against a (Sony???) DAT. > > The result was a dead heat. Yet, upon very close > listening, they concluded that the analog cassette > offered an imperceptible edge in fidelity: clarity, > smoothness, lack of 'electronic grain'. > > -- Ron > > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > > I had the opportunity.....once...to record a live Zero show and was able to > > use a Nakamichi ZX9 along with a Marantz Prodat unit. Unfortunately only the > > stock mic preamp on the prodat was used; a nakamichi 3 channel mic mixer was > > used for the zx9. Mics were AKG c61 preamps with ck1 cardioid capsules. > > > > The result? I listed to the cassettes to this day; the DATs remail in the > > drawer unless somebody wants a digital copy. The analogue tape > > sounds.....smoother? They both are very good; I'd like to do the same thing > > but with high quality mic preamplifiers and D/A converters. > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Graham Nelson > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:59 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > > > > Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding > > DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses > > as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as > > some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my > > ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has > > previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet > > successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under > > Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some > > extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than > > that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also > > probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, > > when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that > > I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for > > most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. > > But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any > > of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to > > the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with > > cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) > > identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent > > C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... > > unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you > > ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as > > hens' teeth! > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > SBarr12393 at aol.com > > Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > > > John >> > > > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Feb 27 20:52:13 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:52:13 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C7D38ED.336881C3@yahoo.com> Hi All Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell me something informative about it. This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! Here's what I know so far. Hi-8 format (analog) Interchangeable AF lenses Used to be pricey Sometimes surface mount caps go bad on the board and have to be replaced I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. Any advice is appreciated Thanks Javier -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: l1a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 30003 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: l1b.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31274 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 02:44:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:44:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> <3C7D38ED.336881C3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <081301c1bff9$729f77e0$3d3442cf@sank1> I've worked on a few L-1's & many A-1's. The L-1 was an "A-1 Digital" with removable lens added. And, damn, what a heavy lens. It's about 90 percent Sony. Be prepared to replace EVERY surface mount electrolytic cap in the thing, which is at least a few dozen caps. This was the first generation of those awful caps, so they were the most awful ever. Even before the caps started going bad, the A-1/L-1 cams were fairly prone to have problems. The simplest of which is guide post drift, due to thermal expansion/contraction loosening the set screws on the two main "head wrap" guides. Easy to re-align, especially if you have a well-recorded 4 hour mode tape to play, where guides have to be dead on to track right. The common fault that is rather serious is cylinder motor failure, where the cylinder will either fail or sometimes fail to spin or will spin at way too high speed. If that is the case, I *think* I still have a brand new cylinder motor/video head unit for it in my old stash. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > Hi All > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > me something informative about it. > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > Here's what I know so far. > > Hi-8 format (analog) > Interchangeable AF lenses > Used to be pricey > Sometimes surface mount caps > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks > > Javier ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Thu Feb 28 04:29:46 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:29:46 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 00:33:28 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 23:33:28 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> <3C7D38ED.336881C3@yahoo.com> <081301c1bff9$729f77e0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7D6CC8.DE1803A0@yahoo.com> Hi Steve Thanks for the info. Is there any electronic gadget you haven't worked on? I'll check the motor soon as it arrives. Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > I've worked on a few L-1's ? many A-1's. The L-1 was an "A-1 Digital" with > removable lens added. And, damn, what a heavy lens. It's about 90 percent > Sony. Be prepared to replace EVERY surface mount electrolytic cap in the > thing, which is at least a few dozen caps. This was the first generation of > those awful caps, so they were the most awful ever. Even before the caps > started going bad, the A-1/L-1 cams were fairly prone to have problems. The > simplest of which is guide post drift, due to thermal expansion/contraction > loosening the set screws on the two main "head wrap" guides. Easy to > re-align, especially if you have a well-recorded 4 hour mode tape to play, > where guides have to be dead on to track right. The common fault that is > rather serious is cylinder motor failure, where the cylinder will either > fail or sometimes fail to spin or will spin at way too high speed. If that > is the case, I *think* I still have a brand new cylinder motor/video head > unit for it in my old stash. > > Stephen Sank, Owner ? RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" ?summarex at yahoo.com? > To: ?naktalk at naks.com? > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:52 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > ? Hi All > ? Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > ? I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > ? and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > ? me something informative about it. > ? This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > ? Here's what I know so far. > ? > ? Hi-8 format (analog) > ? Interchangeable AF lenses > ? Used to be pricey > ? Sometimes surface mount caps > ? go bad on the board and have to be replaced > ? > ? I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > ? > ? Any advice is appreciated > ? > ? Thanks > ? > ? Javier > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Feb 28 05:27:44 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:57:44 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder Message-ID: <000b01c1c010$44ea4ca0$42d60192@vsnl> Nice Question to Stephen. Another great question would be - can he suggest any DVD player at all if any that can come near decent one? Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, February 28, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder >Hi Steve >Thanks for the info. >Is there any electronic gadget you haven't worked on? >I'll check the motor soon as it arrives. >Javier > > >Stephen Sank wrote: >> >> I've worked on a few L-1's ? many A-1's. The L-1 was an "A-1 Digital" with >> removable lens added. And, damn, what a heavy lens. It's about 90 percent >> Sony. Be prepared to replace EVERY surface mount electrolytic cap in the >> thing, which is at least a few dozen caps. This was the first generation of >> those awful caps, so they were the most awful ever. Even before the caps >> started going bad, the A-1/L-1 cams were fairly prone to have problems. The >> simplest of which is guide post drift, due to thermal expansion/contraction >> loosening the set screws on the two main "head wrap" guides. Easy to >> re-align, especially if you have a well-recorded 4 hour mode tape to play, >> where guides have to be dead on to track right. The common fault that is >> rather serious is cylinder motor failure, where the cylinder will either >> fail or sometimes fail to spin or will spin at way too high speed. If that >> is the case, I *think* I still have a brand new cylinder motor/video head >> unit for it in my old stash. >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner ? RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Javier Perez" ?summarex at yahoo.com? >> To: ?naktalk at naks.com? >> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:52 PM >> Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder >> >> ? Hi All >> ? Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net >> ? I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out >> ? and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell >> ? me something informative about it. >> ? This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! >> ? Here's what I know so far. >> ? >> ? Hi-8 format (analog) >> ? Interchangeable AF lenses >> ? Used to be pricey >> ? Sometimes surface mount caps >> ? go bad on the board and have to be replaced >> ? >> ? I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. >> ? >> ? Any advice is appreciated >> ? >> ? Thanks >> ? >> ? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 08:03:18 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:03:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> <3C7D38ED.336881C3@yahoo.com> <081301c1bff9$729f77e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C7D6CC8.DE1803A0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <086c01c1c026$00b90420$3d3442cf@sank1> Well, I haven't yet worked on any atomic bombs. But I am in the right neighborhood to stumble onto the chance to do so. And, Kannan, I can't say there is a dvd player I would actually recommend. But, I can say that I just picked up an "old" Sony DVP-S300 for myself dirt cheap & disfunctional. I haven't done it yet, but apparently, all it needs is replacement of an 18.432mHz crystal, which I got a bunch of, also dirt cheap. It's laser is completely two separate laser pickups on the same carriage, which means CD-R/RW playing should not be a problem. Not that it's an issue for me, since I've no interest in it as an audio player. I'd found a new laser unit for it on ebay for $10(!) a while back, so I've already done a swap to confirm that the laser is just fine. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > Hi Steve > Thanks for the info. > Is there any electronic gadget you haven't worked on? > I'll check the motor soon as it arrives. > Javier > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I've worked on a few L-1's ? many A-1's. The L-1 was an "A-1 Digital" with > > removable lens added. And, damn, what a heavy lens. It's about 90 percent > > Sony. Be prepared to replace EVERY surface mount electrolytic cap in the > > thing, which is at least a few dozen caps. This was the first generation of > > those awful caps, so they were the most awful ever. Even before the caps > > started going bad, the A-1/L-1 cams were fairly prone to have problems. The > > simplest of which is guide post drift, due to thermal expansion/contraction > > loosening the set screws on the two main "head wrap" guides. Easy to > > re-align, especially if you have a well-recorded 4 hour mode tape to play, > > where guides have to be dead on to track right. The common fault that is > > rather serious is cylinder motor failure, where the cylinder will either > > fail or sometimes fail to spin or will spin at way too high speed. If that > > is the case, I *think* I still have a brand new cylinder motor/video head > > unit for it in my old stash. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner ? RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" ?summarex at yahoo.com? > > To: ?naktalk at naks.com? > > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 12:52 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > ? Hi All > > ? Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > > ? I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > > ? and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > > ? me something informative about it. > > ? This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > > ? Here's what I know so far. > > ? > > ? Hi-8 format (analog) > > ? Interchangeable AF lenses > > ? Used to be pricey > > ? Sometimes surface mount caps > > ? go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > ? > > ? I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > ? > > ? Any advice is appreciated > > ? > > ? Thanks > > ? > > ? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 08:05:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:05:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question References: Message-ID: <087101c1c026$4f95eb80$3d3442cf@sank1> 24/96 would only be remotely worthwile if you were intending to do serious recording work, with extremely high quality mics(like RCA ribbons!) & preamps. For what you're talking about, no way anyone could ever hear a difference. Even 16/44 is overkill. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Barr" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > > > > Hi John, > Thank you and everyone else for the lively discussion. In the application I am currently working with, DAT beats cassette. Now granted, we're using cheap duplication tape for quick dubbing without Dolby, and the Tascam decks. > > I have another "digital" question if I may continue this thread. ;-) Do any of you believe that moving from a 16 bit/44 Khz DAT to a 24 bit/96 Khz digital recorder will make any audiable differences/improvements in sound quality for recording live dictation/teaching/conferences? And as always, thanks. > > -Sam > > >From: "John M. Tooley" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:52:49 -0500 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE463EF8007440043120C14EE1380A110; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:58:20 -0800 > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA30945for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:40:45 +0100 > >Received: from mail.ce.net (ce.net [207.106.139.5])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA30942for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:40:43 +0100 > >Received: from johnnyrotten (unverified [207.106.117.88]) by mail.ce.net (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.7) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:56:05 -0500 > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 27 Feb 2002 06:58:53 -0800 > >Message-ID: <002d01c1bf9e$73f971f0$58756acf at johnnyrotten> > >References: <175.43b5aa4.29adb6d3 at aol.com> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > >Precedence: bulk > > > >Graham's reply gets to the point. DAT 2hr. feature is very nice compared > >with a C-90 flip, excluding Dragon. > > > >John > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > > > > > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > > > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > > > > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > > > > > John >> > > > > > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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He had EAR tube amps and the main source was the big buck top load SACD Sony. The speakers were irritating and seemed to be a little rough on the top end. Could have been the CD though. Maybe the room might even had something to do w/ it. Hardwood floor w/ a lot of hard surfaces. We listened to a Miles SACD. No soundstage depth, and not much bass. They looked totally cool though. Wish I would of had a better experience w/ them. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers > Hi All, > > I ran across an article regarding Lowther speakers in this month's Hi-Fi > magazine and wanted to know if anyone on this list owns a pair or has had any > experience with them. And more importantly, is the slogan "Lowther for life" > for real and why? As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 09:45:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:45:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RX202 & ZX9 owner's manuals on line for downloading Message-ID: <08d401c1c034$3dd9c980$3d3442cf@sank1> Until Wouter has time to put them on the naks ftp site, I've put them on my space for downloading: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/rx202owner.pdf http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/zx9owner.pdf Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Feb 28 13:10:19 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:10:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D1D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Javier, I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of it. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder Hi All Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell me something informative about it. This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! Here's what I know so far. Hi-8 format (analog) Interchangeable AF lenses Used to be pricey Sometimes surface mount caps go bad on the board and have to be replaced I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. Any advice is appreciated Thanks Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Feb 28 06:45:51 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 21:45:51 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers In-Reply-To: <28.22bc8056.29af134c@aol.com> Message-ID: I, too, wish to know more; the elimination of any crossover and supposedly real bass to 40hz sounds very interesting. The 100+ db efficiency is quite welcome for little tube amps, too. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of SBarr12393 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers Hi All, I ran across an article regarding Lowther speakers in this month's Hi-Fi magazine and wanted to know if anyone on this list owns a pair or has had any experience with them. And more importantly, is the slogan "Lowther for life" for real and why? As always, thanks. -Sam ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Feb 28 14:15:18 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:15:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers References: <28.22bc8056.29af134c@aol.com> Message-ID: <002601c1c059$f81ac1d0$5f756acf@johnnyrotten> I heard a large pair many, many years ago at the Hi-Fi Show in London. They sounded wonderful. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers > Hi All, > > I ran across an article regarding Lowther speakers in this month's Hi-Fi > magazine and wanted to know if anyone on this list owns a pair or has had any > experience with them. And more importantly, is the slogan "Lowther for life" > for real and why? As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 09:29:25 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 08:29:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D1D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C7DEA65.CD39BF3B@yahoo.com> Thanks Tom Yeah!!! That's what got me hooked in the first place! Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. It should be arriving next week. I just hope it's not too big! Javier PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. a rough range would do fine if possible. Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Javier, > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of it. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > Hi All > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > me something informative about it. > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > Here's what I know so far. > > Hi-8 format (analog) > Interchangeable AF lenses > Used to be pricey > Sometimes surface mount caps > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks > > Javier > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Feb 28 17:03:20 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:03:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT - CD player on ebay - any comments? Message-ID: Hi all I recently fixed my Meridian thanks to Stephen and am now on the lookout for a player to modify, I have the bug now I have got over the initial worry over fettling our digital friends, Im really an analogue fiend at heart (hence a long time reader of this list). I want to use a quality (reliable) transport and work heavily on the electronics side and casework. This player seems ideal (im in the UK), cheap, reliable and proven to be tunable. Any comments from the nak list as to the idea? Am I going in the right direction, I want to use my Meridian as a quality marker as I make any changes. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1335792598 cheers all Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 18:35:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:35:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers References: Message-ID: <090701c1c07e$45c47600$3d3442cf@sank1> This is second hand, but I have a client who has extensively listened to Lowthers in a variety of configurations, and who has gotten into the whole horns & SET amps thing. He's someone who has ears that I trust well, despite that.=) His opinion was that the Lowthers were simply terrible for bass & "barely" had any upper treble, and that they were generally unsatisfying after the initial "turn on" with the very nice midrange. I'm beginning to think that Lowther people use SET amps not so much for their strengths, but so that they can blame the lack of bass & treble on the amps & continue deluding themselves into believing their Lowthers are wonderful. Incidentally, this same client *swears* that he can get "satisfying levels" out of my little speakers, which measure about 86dB efficiency, with a pair of 0.75watt SET amps, but, if he feels like "cranking", he needs to use his 3watt 2A3 amps or 7watt 300B amps. This is theoretically impossible, but even a friend of his swears it's true. He tried a pair of supposedly 93dB Royal Reference 3A's, and said that "he couldn't sit close enough" for adequate loudness, even with the 300B amps. And that concludes this episode of Ripley's "Believe it or not". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers > I, too, wish to know more; the elimination of any crossover and supposedly > real bass to 40hz sounds very interesting. The 100+ db efficiency is quite > welcome for little tube amps, too. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 9:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Lowther Speakers > > > Hi All, > > I ran across an article regarding Lowther speakers in this month's Hi-Fi > magazine and wanted to know if anyone on this list owns a pair or has had > any > experience with them. And more importantly, is the slogan "Lowther for > life" > for real and why? As always, thanks. > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Feb 28 18:46:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:46:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D1D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3C7DEA65.CD39BF3B@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <090d01c1c07f$cd4957c0$3d3442cf@sank1> Viewfinder problem could be the caps, but could just as easily be problems in the tiny little flyback transformer or a bad tiny little picture tube. Not monstrously serious, but might run into parts availability problems. Of course, should that come up, dead A-1's ain't hard to find to scavenge the parts from. That beautiful lens weighs about 28lbs, you know. Or at least darn well feels like it if you shoot handheld for more than 2 or 3 minutes! Assuming you don't do the monstrous task of replacing all the SMD caps, and I gotta do it, I'd have to charge, I'm sure, $200 or more, just due to the shear labor time required. Be warned, though, that nobody has yet started making SMD electrolytics that have proven reliable, so you might have to replace them all again in as little as 4 or 5 years. I would, though, try to use non-SMD caps were physically possible, which is what I did in my Sony 8mm vcr's head amp recently. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > Thanks Tom > Yeah!!! > That's what got me hooked in the first place! > Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. > It should be arriving next week. > I just hope it's not too big! > Javier > > > PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder > isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might > want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? > (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. > a rough range would do fine if possible. > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Javier, > > > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of it. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > Hi All > > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > > me something informative about it. > > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > > Here's what I know so far. > > > > Hi-8 format (analog) > > Interchangeable AF lenses > > Used to be pricey > > Sometimes surface mount caps > > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > Thanks > > > > Javier > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca Thu Feb 28 19:27:12 2002 From: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 10:27:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: (OT) - Lowther Speakers, SET amps, etc... In-Reply-To: <090701c1c07e$45c47600$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7E0600.3607.BFEB94@localhost> Hi everyone, About the Lowther & low power amp phenomenon - seems to me that it boils down to efficiency. A speaker that's really efficient needs less power for a given SPL and given headroom than an inefficient speaker. Turning it around - if you like the character of flea-power amps you probably wind up pursuing higher efficiency speakers. Practically speaking this means that my 15" Tannoy dual-coaxials in 7 ft^3 boxes sound great driven by any of my low-power SET amps. Even my littlest 1.5 Wpc amp will make them sing quite nicely. It also means that my B&K ST140 is *working* driving a pair of 12" NHT 1259 subwoofers to keep up. Personally I like the SET sound and so have pursued a system design that can get that "frame of tone" as Sakuma calls it while attempting to minimize the common drawbacks such as reduced dynamic range, "mushy" presentation, low SPL, etc. etc. This leads right back to speaker efficiency and I think this is partly why the super-high-efficiency speakers get so much fanatic attention. A pair of Lowthers in big back-loaded horns at 101+ dB/W in a usual-sized living room will deliver great dynamic range on just about any amp at all. Of course you have to live with the drawbacks inherent in the Lowthers (and there are certainly drawbacks including a quite uneven frequency response, a somewhat "hard" upper midband and treble and extreme sensitivity to room placement, etc.) My personal favorite living room speaker setup is as full-range as possible a main speaker - that is with just one driver & no crossover between ~80 Hz and 10-12+ kHz, generally quite efficient and low power handling (right now I am really appreciating the JBL LE8TH and a variety of other vintage 8" units). Also a ribbon tweeter setup as a "helper" crossed in very high (around the rolloff of the wide-band driver). Notice no crossover and no reactive loading through the critical midband except what the speaker coil provides. This comprises the main speakers and is driven by one of many 3 to 8 Wpc SET amps. Bass provided by either a high- grade PP tube power amp (ie: HK Citation V) or mosfet SS amp (ie: the B&K ST140 mentioned above) through an active LP xover into a pair of low-q subwoofers. Same efficiency considerations developed a different result in my workshop. The workshop system is the big 15" dual-coaxial Tannoys mentioned above powered by whatever low-power SET amp I'm currently working on or by a fixed-up AKAI workshop workhorse. I also have a small pair of bench monitors (wide-band 4" Fosters) wall mounted with an 8" Triad subwoofer in the rafters overhead for testing or quieter listening (ie: to FM while working in the shop, etc.) in response to Stephen's last post: > Incidentally, this same client *swears* that he can get "satisfying levels" > out of my little speakers, which measure about 86dB efficiency, with a pair > of 0.75watt SET amps, but, if he feels like "cranking", he needs to use his > 3watt 2A3 amps or 7watt 300B amps. This is theoretically impossible, but > even a friend of his swears it's true. I also feel that 3/4 W into 86 dB/W speakers won't be really suitable. Even if listening at low levels the dynamic range available is quite small in a case like this. Still, if this guy says he was satisfied with it, who am I to argue? :> Even so, I have had a similar experience to Stephen's client but not quite so drastic. A pair of 3 Wpc SET monoblocks I had were quite capable of driving a pair of Vandersteen 1b's (~90 dB/W) to quite "satisfying levels" in my bedroom system. The gentle clipping inherent in the SET's behaviour when they did get turned up louder and the fact that I was never looking to "crank" in the bedroom made this a very nice combination. It was somewhat rolled off at the frequency extremes but very romantic and involving - wonderful for a bedroom system in my opinion! Of course there wasn't a *huge* amount of dynamic range available but again the system, music and setting didn't require anything more than was provided. I could have been very happy with that setup in the bedroom for a long time. Just to say low power amps *can* work and even sound good with some lower efficiency speakers in some situations. best regards to all, Aaron ___________________________________________________________ Aaron Bohnen email: bohnen at unixg.ubc.ca -Ph.D. Candidate, Civil Engineering Department, U.B.C. -website: http://www.civil.ubc.ca/home/bohnen ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dwiesnoski at attbi.com Thu Feb 28 19:43:18 2002 From: dwiesnoski at attbi.com (dwiesnoski) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:43:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 600II up & running, recording tips?? Message-ID: <006b01c1c087$ca7d1ec0$5f8af90c@attbi.com> Thanks to everyone who helped out in diagnosing my tape transport problems with my 600II. It's up and running now. After doing this one back to back with an older Kenwood KX-1030 and my trusty Sony WM-D6 I've gained a nice appreciation for Nakamichi construction. (Although that Sony had some neat engineering to get everything to fit in that small case). Now that I'm recording on the Nakamichi I'm curious how users set the bias and rec. cal. settings? With a 2 head deck such as this it's difficult to directly compare different settings. Even with the built in test tone generator I find it difficult to fine tune the settings. How do you other "double headers" set up your recording levels/biast adjustments/etc ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Feb 28 20:11:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:11:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <07b901c1bfef$7ab73300$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000201c1c08b$ac94bae0$e26d87d9@a4s1s2> The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the original Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto the market, selling usually for between £100-£200, depending on condition. The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone tell me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Feb 28 15:35:17 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 14:35:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D1D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3C7DEA65.CD39BF3B@yahoo.com> <090d01c1c07f$cd4957c0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7E4025.A9CF565C@yahoo.com> Uh Steve Just how big is this thing? Or at least how long with the lens? Is it much bigger than the palm corders? I was figuring I could use it to make home videos but now you're scaring me. Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > Viewfinder problem could be the caps, but could just as easily be problems > in the tiny little flyback transformer or a bad tiny little picture tube. > Not monstrously serious, but might run into parts availability problems. Of > course, should that come up, dead A-1's ain't hard to find to scavenge the > parts from. > That beautiful lens weighs about 28lbs, you know. Or at least darn well > feels like it if you shoot handheld for more than 2 or 3 minutes! > Assuming you don't do the monstrous task of replacing all the SMD caps, and > I gotta do it, I'd have to charge, I'm sure, $200 or more, just due to the > shear labor time required. Be warned, though, that nobody has yet started > making SMD electrolytics that have proven reliable, so you might have to > replace them all again in as little as 4 or 5 years. I would, though, try > to use non-SMD caps were physically possible, which is what I did in my Sony > 8mm vcr's head amp recently. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:29 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > Thanks Tom > > Yeah!!! > > That's what got me hooked in the first place! > > Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. > > It should be arriving next week. > > I just hope it's not too big! > > Javier > > > > > > PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder > > isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might > > want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? > > (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. > > a rough range would do fine if possible. > > > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > > Javier, > > > > > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help > you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of > it. > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > > > Hi All > > > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > > > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > > > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > > > me something informative about it. > > > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > > > Here's what I know so far. > > > > > > Hi-8 format (analog) > > > Interchangeable AF lenses > > > Used to be pricey > > > Sometimes surface mount caps > > > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > > > > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Javier > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Feb 28 23:57:18 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:57:18 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <000201c1c08b$ac94bae0$e26d87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Afraid that I haven't heard the SL-P1200 CD, but as far as technics DD decks go I run a BBC spec SP10 mkII ep turntable in a custom plinth and it beats a friends lingoed/ekosed LP12 hands down (he is green with envy)! I always liked the warm sound of the sondek but it is poorly built and has suspect engineering (NAD/Creek anyone?) and I thought it could easily be bettered. I went on the lookout for a more elegant solution, without losing out on the music. The technics motor unit was nearly 5 times more expensive than the basic LP12 on its introduction in 1976 and boy does it show, no wood glue or self tappers in sight, no pre war motor supply circuit and no linn-babble in its adverts. If you like the Nak solution to cassette deck design and sound quality you would be mad to turn up the opportunity to try one of these decks, they sound fantastically authoritative and almost master tape like in the amount of low level detail they drag off a disc (I use it with a Zeta arm). One look inside explains their long life too, its build quality is to an obscenely high level and mine looks set to go for another 25 years with just the odd oil-change. Recommended! Yours in vinyl heaven Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 28 February 2002 19:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the original Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto the market, selling usually for between £100-£200, depending on condition. The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone tell me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwiesnoski" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] 600II up & running, recording tips?? Thanks to everyone who helped out in diagnosing my tape transport problems with my 600II. It's up and running now. After doing this one back to back with an older Kenwood KX-1030 and my trusty Sony WM-D6 I've gained a nice appreciation for Nakamichi construction. (Although that Sony had some neat engineering to get everything to fit in that small case). Now that I'm recording on the Nakamichi I'm curious how users set the bias and rec. cal. settings? With a 2 head deck such as this it's difficult to directly compare different settings. Even with the built in test tone generator I find it difficult to fine tune the settings. How do you other "double headers" set up your recording levels/biast adjustments/etc ?? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 1 03:36:14 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:36:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D1D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3C7DEA65.CD39BF3B@yahoo.com> <090d01c1c07f$cd4957c0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C7E4025.A9CF565C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <096001c1c0c9$de01bd60$3d3442cf@sank1> The body is quite small. Not much bigger than the average palmcorder type cam. The lens is definitely on the large size. I'm sure it's at least 6", maybe as much as 8", and about 4" diameter. Lens is all metal & glass(and damn nice), so it weighs, I think, at least 2lbs. A nice tripod would definitely be a good investment. Otherwise, you're money will be spent on a chiropractor.=) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > Uh Steve > Just how big is this thing? > Or at least how long with the lens? > Is it much bigger than the palm corders? I was figuring > I could use it to make home videos but now you're > scaring me. > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Viewfinder problem could be the caps, but could just as easily be problems > > in the tiny little flyback transformer or a bad tiny little picture tube. > > Not monstrously serious, but might run into parts availability problems. Of > > course, should that come up, dead A-1's ain't hard to find to scavenge the > > parts from. > > That beautiful lens weighs about 28lbs, you know. Or at least darn well > > feels like it if you shoot handheld for more than 2 or 3 minutes! > > Assuming you don't do the monstrous task of replacing all the SMD caps, and > > I gotta do it, I'd have to charge, I'm sure, $200 or more, just due to the > > shear labor time required. Be warned, though, that nobody has yet started > > making SMD electrolytics that have proven reliable, so you might have to > > replace them all again in as little as 4 or 5 years. I would, though, try > > to use non-SMD caps were physically possible, which is what I did in my Sony > > 8mm vcr's head amp recently. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:29 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > > Thanks Tom > > > Yeah!!! > > > That's what got me hooked in the first place! > > > Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. > > > It should be arriving next week. > > > I just hope it's not too big! > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder > > > isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might > > > want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? > > > (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. > > > a rough range would do fine if possible. > > > > > > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > > > > Javier, > > > > > > > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help > > you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of > > it. > > > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > > > > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > > > > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > > > > me something informative about it. > > > > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > > > > Here's what I know so far. > > > > > > > > Hi-8 format (analog) > > > > Interchangeable AF lenses > > > > Used to be pricey > > > > Sometimes surface mount caps > > > > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > > > > > > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 1 03:45:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:45:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <000201c1c08b$ac94bae0$e26d87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <096401c1c0cb$28d31220$3d3442cf@sank1> I have an SL-P1200 cd player, which is redundant to me, as I now have an SL-P1300 player. Both are excellent players & built to last just as well as the 1200 tables. No gears, belts or motor brushes at all. None. Top loading. Linear motor tracking. Brushless platter motor. Really superb transport. The P1200 is a bit old, so it is 2x oversampling, dual dac & no digital output. But it is nevertheless an excellent sounding player. Got the P1300 due to it's having digital out(coax & optical) & 8x/18bit 4 dacs. Otherwise, identical to the P1200. Don't have schematics on either, so I was planning to do some physical comparing inside to see if digital out can be added to the P1200. It's dependent on what the unit's DSP chip is capable of. As far as the sound on the P1300, while it's not quite as good as the Pioneer CLD-95, it's really damn close, enough so that I let a client who'd been CLD-95 hunting by mine last week. As a transport, it might actually be the equal of the CLD-95(which I consider second only to the Museatex CDD-1 off all transports ever made). Which is why I'd really like to be able to add digital out to the P1200, since it's transport is identical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics > The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by > audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the original > Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! > I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto > the market, selling usually for between �100-�200, depending on condition. > The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone tell > me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. > > Gra' > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Fri Mar 1 05:33:20 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:33:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica In-Reply-To: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F014F597E@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000701c1c0da$3823ac30$33dffea9@c994264g> Well, the Optonica sold, AND same bidder purchase a RX-505.... Bought the ZX-9 for 1k. Hmmm, there's a pattern here. Well, I wish I had a budget like that. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Igritski Nick Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:46 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] Optonica Importance: High Guys, just check this one out! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1334030049&tc=photo47 84 What the .... is this? Stephen, have you ever had an experience of using that beast? Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 1 06:30:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 05:30:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica In-Reply-To: <000701c1c0da$3823ac30$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <001001c1c0e2$350beb40$e26d87d9@a4s1s2> The lotto winner, perhaps? ;oD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 01 March 2002 04:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Optonica Well, the Optonica sold, AND same bidder purchase a RX-505.... Bought the ZX-9 for 1k. Hmmm, there's a pattern here. Well, I wish I had a budget like that. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Mar 1 06:29:52 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:29:52 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D21@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Javier, That's exactly what it reminds me of - those ol' storm troopers. I'll tell you what, when you get it working and use it one day people will not hesitate to stare at it. I'm usually the guy who keeps staring. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 7:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder Thanks Tom Yeah!!! That's what got me hooked in the first place! Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. It should be arriving next week. I just hope it's not too big! Javier PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. a rough range would do fine if possible. Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Javier, > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of it. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > Hi All > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > me something informative about it. > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > Here's what I know so far. > > Hi-8 format (analog) > Interchangeable AF lenses > Used to be pricey > Sometimes surface mount caps > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > Any advice is appreciated > > Thanks > > Javier > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Mar 1 01:43:51 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 00:43:51 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D1D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3C7DEA65.CD39BF3B@yahoo.com> <090d01c1c07f$cd4957c0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C7E4025.A9CF565C@yahoo.com> <096001c1c0c9$de01bd60$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C7ECEC7.DB542D60@yahoo.com> You scared me with the 28 pounds Steve. Some of the early camcorders did weighg that much! Anyway if I can't get it working I'll let yopu know. Thanks for the advice. Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > The body is quite small. Not much bigger than the average palmcorder type > cam. The lens is definitely on the large size. I'm sure it's at least 6", > maybe as much as 8", and about 4" diameter. Lens is all metal & glass(and > damn nice), so it weighs, I think, at least 2lbs. A nice tripod would > definitely be a good investment. Otherwise, you're money will be spent on a > chiropractor.=) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:35 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > Uh Steve > > Just how big is this thing? > > Or at least how long with the lens? > > Is it much bigger than the palm corders? I was figuring > > I could use it to make home videos but now you're > > scaring me. > > Javier > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Viewfinder problem could be the caps, but could just as easily be > problems > > > in the tiny little flyback transformer or a bad tiny little picture > tube. > > > Not monstrously serious, but might run into parts availability problems. > Of > > > course, should that come up, dead A-1's ain't hard to find to scavenge > the > > > parts from. > > > That beautiful lens weighs about 28lbs, you know. Or at least darn well > > > feels like it if you shoot handheld for more than 2 or 3 minutes! > > > Assuming you don't do the monstrous task of replacing all the SMD caps, > and > > > I gotta do it, I'd have to charge, I'm sure, $200 or more, just due to > the > > > shear labor time required. Be warned, though, that nobody has yet > started > > > making SMD electrolytics that have proven reliable, so you might have to > > > replace them all again in as little as 4 or 5 years. I would, though, > try > > > to use non-SMD caps were physically possible, which is what I did in my > Sony > > > 8mm vcr's head amp recently. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Javier Perez" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > > > > Thanks Tom > > > > Yeah!!! > > > > That's what got me hooked in the first place! > > > > Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. > > > > It should be arriving next week. > > > > I just hope it's not too big! > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder > > > > isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might > > > > want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? > > > > (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. > > > > a rough range would do fine if possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Javier, > > > > > > > > > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't > help > > > you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look > of > > > it. > > > > > > > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > > > > > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > > > > > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could > tell > > > > > me something informative about it. > > > > > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > > > > > Here's what I know so far. > > > > > > > > > > Hi-8 format (analog) > > > > > Interchangeable AF lenses > > > > > Used to be pricey > > > > > Sometimes surface mount caps > > > > > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > > > > > > > > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > > > > > > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri Mar 1 07:28:59 2002 From: mhugo at sunint.co.za (Marc Hugo) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 08:28:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Optonica and Sharp Message-ID: <3C7F1FAA.CF9856A9@sunint.co.za> The Optonica's sure had lots of buttons!!! (Damning with faint praise). My dad has a Sharp RT10 or RT100 and, it still works (after a fashion). It's no match for the rest of his rig, so I will now be forced to Nakdoctrinate him...... Marc The lotto winner, perhaps? ;oD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: 01 March 2002 04:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Optonica Well, the Optonica sold, AND same bidder purchase a RX-505.... Bought the ZX-9 for 1k. Hmmm, there's a pattern here. Well, I wish I had a budget like that. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Fri Mar 1 08:46:47 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:46:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <096401c1c0cb$28d31220$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c1c0f5$3e3fe5a0$33dffea9@c994264g> The power of persuasion, influenced by Steve himself. There's a CLD-95 on auction, and looks good enough to bid on, unless I find myself competing against someone else here. It would be worth a try to win and us it for a while and compare the difference, since I'm in a market to get another CD transport. My Delta just got sold (teary eye). And I was quite fond of it. And based on unbiased opinion, I'm also unloading my CLD-79. I don't think I'll be losing much on video playback, but gaining a stable transport. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics I have an SL-P1200 cd player, which is redundant to me, as I now have an SL-P1300 player. Both are excellent players & built to last just as well as the 1200 tables. No gears, belts or motor brushes at all. None. Top loading. Linear motor tracking. Brushless platter motor. Really superb transport. The P1200 is a bit old, so it is 2x oversampling, dual dac & no digital output. But it is nevertheless an excellent sounding player. Got the P1300 due to it's having digital out(coax & optical) & 8x/18bit 4 dacs. Otherwise, identical to the P1200. Don't have schematics on either, so I was planning to do some physical comparing inside to see if digital out can be added to the P1200. It's dependent on what the unit's DSP chip is capable of. As far as the sound on the P1300, while it's not quite as good as the Pioneer CLD-95, it's really damn close, enough so that I let a client who'd been CLD-95 hunting by mine last week. As a transport, it might actually be the equal of the CLD-95(which I consider second only to the Museatex CDD-1 off all transports ever made). Which is why I'd really like to be able to add digital out to the P1200, since it's transport is identical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics > The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by > audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the original > Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! > I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto > the market, selling usually for between £100-£200, depending on condition. > The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone tell > me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. > > Gra' > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Mar 1 04:04:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 03:04:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D21@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C7EEFA3.9E49C6BA@yahoo.com> Given the current climate I'm more likely to be fired upon from 30 different directions. Thank god it doesn't have a shoulder stock! Javier Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Javier, > > That's exactly what it reminds me of - those ol' storm troopers. I'll tell you what, when you get it working and use it one day people will not hesitate to stare at it. I'm usually the guy who keeps staring. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 7:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > Thanks Tom > Yeah!!! > That's what got me hooked in the first place! > Kinda reminds me of the StarWars imperial storm troopers. > It should be arriving next week. > I just hope it's not too big! > Javier > > PS: Oh Steve BTW: the problem with it is that the viewfinder > isn't working but it runs. About how much do you think you might > want for fixing it assuming it's beyond my capabilities? > (I have never seen a owned or even used a camcorder in my entire life. > a rough range would do fine if possible. > > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > Javier, > > > > I must say that is one impressive looking camera. I can't help you with the problem you have but I wanted you to know I love the look of it. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Javier Perez [mailto:summarex at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2002 6:52 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Canon L1 camcorder > > > > Hi All > > Sorry for the OT but I can'ty get any info on the net > > I just bought a Canon L1 camcorder. The video is knocked out > > and I may have to do surrgery. Annyway I was hoping someone could tell > > me something informative about it. > > This will be my first camcorder and hopefully my last! > > Here's what I know so far. > > > > Hi-8 format (analog) > > Interchangeable AF lenses > > Used to be pricey > > Sometimes surface mount caps > > go bad on the board and have to be replaced > > > > I'm attaching 2 pics of one just like it. > > > > Any advice is appreciated > > > > Thanks > > > > Javier > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 1 09:31:56 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <000001c1c0f5$3e3fe5a0$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <0a3a01c1c0fb$8d125e00$3d3442cf@sank1> The CLD-95/CLD-3080 is a far better transport than the CAL Delta, no question. And easily as good video as the CLD-79(what a piece of crap that is by comparison!). One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics > The power of persuasion, influenced by Steve himself. There's a CLD-95 on > auction, and looks good enough to bid on, unless I find myself competing > against someone else here. > > It would be worth a try to win and us it for a while and compare the > difference, since I'm in a market to get another CD transport. My Delta just > got sold (teary eye). And I was quite fond of it. And based on unbiased > opinion, I'm also unloading my CLD-79. I don't think I'll be losing much on > video playback, but gaining a stable transport. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > I have an SL-P1200 cd player, which is redundant to me, as I now have an > SL-P1300 player. Both are excellent players & built to last just as well as > the 1200 tables. No gears, belts or motor brushes at all. None. Top > loading. Linear motor tracking. Brushless platter motor. Really superb > transport. The P1200 is a bit old, so it is 2x oversampling, dual dac & no > digital output. But it is nevertheless an excellent sounding player. Got > the P1300 due to it's having digital out(coax & optical) & 8x/18bit 4 dacs. > Otherwise, identical to the P1200. Don't have schematics on either, so I > was planning to do some physical comparing inside to see if digital out can > be added to the P1200. It's dependent on what the unit's DSP chip is > capable of. As far as the sound on the P1300, while it's not quite as good > as the Pioneer CLD-95, it's really damn close, enough so that I let a client > who'd been CLD-95 hunting by mine last week. As a transport, it might > actually be the equal of the CLD-95(which I consider second only to the > Museatex CDD-1 off all transports ever made). Which is why I'd really like > to be able to add digital out to the P1200, since it's transport is > identical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by > > audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the > original > > Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! > > I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto > > the market, selling usually for between �100-�200, depending on condition. > > The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone > tell > > me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Mar 1 09:40:42 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:40:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics Message-ID: What's crappy about the toslink ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 1 10:08:29 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 02:08:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: Message-ID: <0a5801c1c100$a7ea5e80$3d3442cf@sank1> Toslink has very poor fittings, so that the mating points between cable & transmitter/receiver devices is quite imperfect. This introduces substantial jitter. In experiential terms, every time I have compared toslink to even a mundane RCA digital cable, the toslink sounded "screechy" in the top end. Sometimes too screechy to tolerate at all. Even ATT/ST glass optical sounds worse to me than a good RCA digital interface. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Fri Mar 1 10:04:15 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:04:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c1c100$109f7150$33dffea9@c994264g> The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed for wideband applications. These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. Posted from another site: The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no matter what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical interface and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can through the digital coax interface. Also, people tend to forget that the plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. That reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, but not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally flat, kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally not very exciting to listen to. Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics What's crappy about the toslink ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Fri Mar 1 10:16:21 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:16:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <0a5801c1c100$a7ea5e80$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1c101$c13ddeb0$33dffea9@c994264g> I actually was able to correct that sort of problem. I had a Technics 110 CD changer (egads!!) and it sounded dull and lifeless. Since it had a Toslink, I first coupled it to a Genesis Digital Lens, then into a Theta DAC. Expensive tweak, and it will not make silk from a sow's ear. You must have a pretty good front-end to appreciate the other components in the link. But a Lens will eliminate jitter. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Toslink has very poor fittings, so that the mating points between cable & transmitter/receiver devices is quite imperfect. This introduces substantial jitter. In experiential terms, every time I have compared toslink to even a mundane RCA digital cable, the toslink sounded "screechy" in the top end. Sometimes too screechy to tolerate at all. Even ATT/ST glass optical sounds worse to me than a good RCA digital interface. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics The CLD-95/CLD-3080 is a far better transport than the CAL Delta, no question. And easily as good video as the CLD-79(what a piece of crap that is by comparison!). One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics > The power of persuasion, influenced by Steve himself. There's a CLD-95 on > auction, and looks good enough to bid on, unless I find myself competing > against someone else here. > > It would be worth a try to win and us it for a while and compare the > difference, since I'm in a market to get another CD transport. My Delta just > got sold (teary eye). And I was quite fond of it. And based on unbiased > opinion, I'm also unloading my CLD-79. I don't think I'll be losing much on > video playback, but gaining a stable transport. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > I have an SL-P1200 cd player, which is redundant to me, as I now have an > SL-P1300 player. Both are excellent players & built to last just as well as > the 1200 tables. No gears, belts or motor brushes at all. None. Top > loading. Linear motor tracking. Brushless platter motor. Really superb > transport. The P1200 is a bit old, so it is 2x oversampling, dual dac & no > digital output. But it is nevertheless an excellent sounding player. Got > the P1300 due to it's having digital out(coax & optical) & 8x/18bit 4 dacs. > Otherwise, identical to the P1200. Don't have schematics on either, so I > was planning to do some physical comparing inside to see if digital out can > be added to the P1200. It's dependent on what the unit's DSP chip is > capable of. As far as the sound on the P1300, while it's not quite as good > as the Pioneer CLD-95, it's really damn close, enough so that I let a client > who'd been CLD-95 hunting by mine last week. As a transport, it might > actually be the equal of the CLD-95(which I consider second only to the > Museatex CDD-1 off all transports ever made). Which is why I'd really like > to be able to add digital out to the P1200, since it's transport is > identical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by > > audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the > original > > Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! > > I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto > > the market, selling usually for between £100-£200, depending on condition. > > The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone > tell > > me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Mar 1 11:27:55 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:27:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics Message-ID: Thanks, Mike, exactly what I needed to know with the tech speak well within my limits of comprehension, which are not that great (in that area). So, in a sentence, toslink sounds unexciting regardless of cable used and coax can be great with a good cable but worse than optical with a bad one - did I get it right ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mike deVera" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:04:15 -0800 The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed for wideband applications. These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. Posted from another site: The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no matter what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical interface and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can through the digital coax interface. Also, people tend to forget that the plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. That reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, but not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally flat, kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally not very exciting to listen to. Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics What's crappy about the toslink ? George _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Mar 1 11:30:04 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:30:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics Message-ID: Thanks, Stephen, very clear and to the point. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Stephen Sank" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 02:08:29 -0700 Toslink has very poor fittings, so that the mating points between cable & transmitter/receiver devices is quite imperfect. This introduces substantial jitter. In experiential terms, every time I have compared toslink to even a mundane RCA digital cable, the toslink sounded "screechy" in the top end. Sometimes too screechy to tolerate at all. Even ATT/ST glass optical sounds worse to me than a good RCA digital interface. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 1 16:07:38 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:07:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <000201c1c100$109f7150$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <3C7F993A.7720297B@concentric.net> Mike deVera wrote: > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed > for wideband applications. Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > Posted from another site: > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no matter > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical interface > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > through the digital coax interface. This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying in a technical explanation, but here is the simple fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): those that work correctly and those that do not and should be replaced with one that that does work correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > Also, people tend to forget that the > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > That > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work at all. > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, but > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally flat, > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally not > very exciting to listen to. That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. It wouldn't know the difference. > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable sounds any different from any other good digital cable. -- Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of George Valkov > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Fri Mar 1 17:23:44 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:23:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <3C7F993A.7720297B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by someone else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to be accused of plagiarism). I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon Holt / John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby altogether. Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that a high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could not make a monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive nuances that does shine through. And I would think it would have to do with the amount of jitter passing through the cable. That in a nutshell is my own truths. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Mike deVera wrote: > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed > for wideband applications. Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > Posted from another site: > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no matter > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical interface > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > through the digital coax interface. This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying in a technical explanation, but here is the simple fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): those that work correctly and those that do not and should be replaced with one that that does work correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > Also, people tend to forget that the > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > That > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work at all. > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, but > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally flat, > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally not > very exciting to listen to. That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. It wouldn't know the difference. > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable sounds any different from any other good digital cable. -- Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of George Valkov > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Mar 1 18:23:28 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:23:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> Mike deVera wrote: > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by someone > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to be > accused of plagiarism). > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon Holt / > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby altogether. > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well familiar with his technical views as to why this is meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that many engineers disagree with his views. > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that a > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could not make a > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive nuances > that does shine through. I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > And I would think it would have to do with the > amount of jitter passing through the cable. Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, the transport). > That in a nutshell is my own truths. 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical context. The place to find technical truth is in Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in Stereophile. Peace, -- Ron > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed > > for wideband applications. > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no > matter > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > interface > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > > through the digital coax interface. > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > those that work correctly and those that do not > and should be replaced with one that that does work > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > That > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > at all. > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, > but > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally > flat, > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally > not > > very exciting to listen to. > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > -- Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > George > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 1 18:51:31 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 10:51:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <000501c1c103$4bb80ba0$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <0a8801c1c149$b9470fe0$3d3442cf@sank1> I generally use a Vampire or Tiffany type RCA for digital outs. Beyond that is, IMO, overkill, as what is significant is uniform geometry, with the "window dressings" of silver-rhodium plating & etc. being of, in my experience, no audible benefit on a digital line. It's when you have the crappy sheet metal jacks, with right angles on the leads, that you create termination reflections of the signal, creating more jitter. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:27 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics > In this application, would a Cardas or WBT S/PDIF be overkill? > > 'nice RCA jack' can run the gamut, but where does the point of diminishing > returns really pay off? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:32 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > The CLD-95/CLD-3080 is a far better transport than the CAL Delta, no > question. And easily as good video as the CLD-79(what a piece of crap that > is by comparison!). > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike deVera" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:46 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > The power of persuasion, influenced by Steve himself. There's a CLD-95 on > > auction, and looks good enough to bid on, unless I find myself competing > > against someone else here. > > > > It would be worth a try to win and us it for a while and compare the > > difference, since I'm in a market to get another CD transport. My Delta > just > > got sold (teary eye). And I was quite fond of it. And based on unbiased > > opinion, I'm also unloading my CLD-79. I don't think I'll be losing much > on > > video playback, but gaining a stable transport. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Stephen Sank > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:46 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > I have an SL-P1200 cd player, which is redundant to me, as I now have an > > SL-P1300 player. Both are excellent players & built to last just as well > as > > the 1200 tables. No gears, belts or motor brushes at all. None. Top > > loading. Linear motor tracking. Brushless platter motor. Really superb > > transport. The P1200 is a bit old, so it is 2x oversampling, dual dac & > no > > digital output. But it is nevertheless an excellent sounding player. Got > > the P1300 due to it's having digital out(coax & optical) & 8x/18bit 4 > dacs. > > Otherwise, identical to the P1200. Don't have schematics on either, so I > > was planning to do some physical comparing inside to see if digital out > can > > be added to the P1200. It's dependent on what the unit's DSP chip is > > capable of. As far as the sound on the P1300, while it's not quite as > good > > as the Pioneer CLD-95, it's really damn close, enough so that I let a > client > > who'd been CLD-95 hunting by mine last week. As a transport, it might > > actually be the equal of the CLD-95(which I consider second only to the > > Museatex CDD-1 off all transports ever made). Which is why I'd really > like > > to be able to add digital out to the P1200, since it's transport is > > identical. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside > by > > > audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the > > original > > > Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the > better! > > > I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come > onto > > > the market, selling usually for between �100-�200, depending on > condition. > > > The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone > > tell > > > me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 1 19:08:38 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:08:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> Ron, You really need to lighten up a bit! And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than your post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac chips I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is reduced to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and even well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, this example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant to the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where cable induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac units. And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering textbooks, where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the existing methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers are the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while for me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables or interconnects. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by someone > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to be > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon Holt / > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby altogether. > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that a > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could not make a > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive nuances > > that does shine through. > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > the transport). > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > context. The place to find technical truth is in > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > Stereophile. > > Peace, > > -- Ron > > > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Ron > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed > > > for wideband applications. > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no > > matter > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > > interface > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > That > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > at all. > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, > > but > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally > > flat, > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally > > not > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Mar 1 19:34:09 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:34:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics Message-ID: <01C1C14F.D6EFC720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron I am sorry, but I think you need to go back to first principles. There is a clear body of evidence, from honest, reliable listeners, that says that these optical digital connections do NOT work the way that the theory says they should do. To say 'this is patently not true' is ignoring what these people are hearing. It is just like arguing the CD gives 'perfect sound forever'. Instead of insisting that your theory is right, and the listeners are guilty of self-delusion, go back to your theory and try to work out why it has failed in this instance. This is my understanding of scientific method. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Friday, 01 March, 2002 15:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Mike deVera wrote: > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed > for wideband applications. Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > Posted from another site: > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no matter > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical interface > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > through the digital coax interface. This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying in a technical explanation, but here is the simple fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): those that work correctly and those that do not and should be replaced with one that that does work correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > Also, people tend to forget that the > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > That > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work at all. > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, but > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally flat, > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally not > very exciting to listen to. That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. It wouldn't know the difference. > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable sounds any different from any other good digital cable. -- Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of George Valkov > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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However, I can vouch that, using a blind test, I and others CAN hear the difference between an allegedly good quality coax' cable, placed between CD transport and DAC, and Stephen's alternative using unprotected straight silver wire. Don't ask me why there is a difference - I've not the foggiest idea! But I - and others who have heard the comparison - know that there IS a difference. And to my ear, the silver wire version is a lot easier to listen to, is more "natural", less "edgy" esp, when comparing female vocals. Using the silver wire cable, Cecilia Bartoli sounds more like she's "singing in control" rather than "shouting in tune" when she jumps to a forte from a pianissimo. Swap the cables back and she's shouting in tune again ... I think I understand the logic of what Ron is saying here - being an ex-computer data processor, I'd naturally find that convincing - but heck! That silver wire is doing SOMETHING that's different to the coax - it has to be or it wouldn't sound so different. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 01 March 2002 06:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Ron, You really need to lighten up a bit! And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than your post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac chips I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is reduced to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and even well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, this example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant to the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where cable induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac units. And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering textbooks, where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the existing methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers are the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while for me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables or interconnects. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Mar 1 20:02:19 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:02:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silver cable In-Reply-To: <000401c1c151$40ebee00$d33687d9@a4s1s2> References: <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020301140002.01f8a6e0@mail.verizon.net> At 3/1/02, you wrote: >Well guys - you know me - when it comes to electronic engineering I'm about >as technically qualified as a turtle is in flying. And I'm about as adept >at it, too! However, I can vouch that, using a blind test, I and others CAN >hear the difference between an allegedly good quality coax' cable, placed >between CD transport and DAC, and Stephen's alternative using unprotected >straight silver wire. Don't ask me why there is a difference - I've not >the foggiest idea! But I - and others who have heard the comparison - know >that there IS a difference. And to my ear, the silver wire version is a lot >easier to listen to, is more "natural", less "edgy" esp, when comparing >female vocals. Using the silver wire cable, Cecilia Bartoli sounds more >like she's "singing in control" rather than "shouting in tune" when she >jumps to a forte from a pianissimo. Swap the cables back and she's shouting >in tune again ... I think I understand the logic of what Ron is saying >here - being an ex-computer data processor, I'd naturally find that >convincing - but heck! That silver wire is doing SOMETHING that's different >to the coax - it has to be or it wouldn't sound so different. > >Gra' ==================== Even a dimwitted audio critic could hear this: Lookee here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/stager_e.html ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 1 20:34:49 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:34:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Silver cable In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020301140002.01f8a6e0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000701c1c158$27036020$d33687d9@a4s1s2> Hey ... what am I doing making up my own silver cables when I could have bought some from Marc ! (Didn't twig that was your line of work, Marc. We get everyone who's anyone here, don't we!) Gra' (alias Prince Charles) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 01 March 2002 07:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Silver cable At 3/1/02, you wrote: >Well guys - you know me - when it comes to electronic engineering I'm about >as technically qualified as a turtle is in flying. And I'm about as adept >at it, too! However, I can vouch that, using a blind test, I and others CAN >hear the difference between an allegedly good quality coax' cable, placed >between CD transport and DAC, and Stephen's alternative using unprotected >straight silver wire. Don't ask me why there is a difference - I've not >the foggiest idea! But I - and others who have heard the comparison - know >that there IS a difference. And to my ear, the silver wire version is a lot >easier to listen to, is more "natural", less "edgy" esp, when comparing >female vocals. Using the silver wire cable, Cecilia Bartoli sounds more >like she's "singing in control" rather than "shouting in tune" when she >jumps to a forte from a pianissimo. Swap the cables back and she's shouting >in tune again ... I think I understand the logic of what Ron is saying >here - being an ex-computer data processor, I'd naturally find that >convincing - but heck! That silver wire is doing SOMETHING that's different >to the coax - it has to be or it wouldn't sound so different. > >Gra' ==================== Even a dimwitted audio critic could hear this: Lookee here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/stager_e.html ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Mar 1 21:01:13 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:01:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Silver cable In-Reply-To: <000701c1c158$27036020$d33687d9@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020301140002.01f8a6e0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020301145755.01fe4860@mail.verizon.net> Been at it for a while. Check here if you're curious: http://marc.stager.com/silver/ ________________ Marc Stager ====================== At 3/1/02, you wrote: >Hey ... what am I doing making up my own silver cables when I could have >bought some from Marc ! (Didn't twig that was your line of work, Marc. We >get everyone who's anyone here, don't we!) > >Gra' (alias Prince Charles) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Marc Stager >Sent: 01 March 2002 07:02 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Silver cable > >At 3/1/02, you wrote: > > ... But I - and others who have heard the comparison - know > >that there IS a difference. And to my ear, the silver wire version is a lot > >easier to listen to, is more "natural", less "edgy" esp, when comparing > >female vocals. ... > >Gra' > >==================== > >Even a dimwitted audio critic could hear this: >Lookee here: >http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/stager_e.html > >________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 1 22:26:25 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:26:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <01C1C14F.D6EFC720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: Speaking of digital connections, while listening to my CR7 I was lamenting the fact that my DAC has only three inputs: coax, bnc, and toslink. I have been only using the coax and the toslink. The unit is an Audio Note DAC 1 Signature; about five years old and sounds great. While doing some cable research (ie; trying to find reasonably priced stuff) I saw a "coax to bnc" digital cable. Is this ok? Are they only different interfaces but carry the same signal? My life would be easier were I to be able to use the bnc interface. On another note; in my home theatre system I recently removed the Parasound psp/1500 AV preamp from the system. Instead, the DVD/Laserdisc AC3 signals go to a Sony ES digital processor.........all other stereo sources (table, DAT/CD > Audio Note DAC), nakamichi cassette, VCR stereo output, tuner) go to the McIntosh C22 preamplifier. The main outs from the C22 and the front outputs from the Sony ES processor feed a little passive DB Audio systems switchbox. This box has a little rotary switch on the front; that is it. The output of the switchbox feeds an Audio Note P2SE amplifier which powers the front speakers of the home theatre system. The center and rears are powered by a Parasound hca 1206 (with a bit of attenuation to match the Audio Note amp). An Energy Microstar 12.1 subwoofer (sunfire derivative, I think) is fed signal from the speaker wires to the Linn Keilidh speakers (fronts); ie, I do not use the preamp/line level inputs for the sub. All video signals go directly from the source (LD. DVD, VHS) to the various TV video inputs. So, no video signals are running through the audio chain except for any interaction within the source component itself. The whole system sounds very nice, thank you. The only planned upgrade anytime soon is the replacement of the Spendor center channel speaker. The spendor is a five (maybe a bit older) year old model that is floor standing; ie, designed to go under the TV. The restricts its utility. The idea of a planar speaker for center is intriguing; comments? Or, I might just go with a Linn center speaker to complement the existing Keilidh speakers. A contemplated change down the road is to set up a selection facility so I would use the Audio Note amp only for stereo listening and the Paraound hca 1206 would kick in for home theatre duty. But, last time I checked out a speaker selector box the thing started smoking on me; think is was not rated for 200wpc amplifier outputs. Any suggestions on a reasonable priced A/B speaker level selector? Something passive with good components that is not very large? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:34 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics Ron I am sorry, but I think you need to go back to first principles. There is a clear body of evidence, from honest, reliable listeners, that says that these optical digital connections do NOT work the way that the theory says they should do. To say 'this is patently not true' is ignoring what these people are hearing. It is just like arguing the CD gives 'perfect sound forever'. Instead of insisting that your theory is right, and the listeners are guilty of self-delusion, go back to your theory and try to work out why it has failed in this instance. This is my understanding of scientific method. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Friday, 01 March, 2002 15:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics Mike deVera wrote: > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially designed > for wideband applications. Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > Posted from another site: > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no matter > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical interface > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > through the digital coax interface. This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying in a technical explanation, but here is the simple fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): those that work correctly and those that do not and should be replaced with one that that does work correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > Also, people tend to forget that the > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > That > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work at all. > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, but > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally flat, > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally not > very exciting to listen to. That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. It wouldn't know the difference. > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also be > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable sounds any different from any other good digital cable. -- Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of George Valkov > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Stephen Sank" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with a > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Click the last link. http://potce.com/Cat1/01/Electronics/Home_Theater/DVD_Players/meridian596.ht m http://www.audio-ideas.com/articles/meridian-596.html http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/dvd-benchmark-b2-meridian-596-nove mber-2001.html Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Sam Barr Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 9:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics With all of this talk of DVD and CD players, I wanted to ask this wise group what is their opinion of the Meridian 596 as a DVD player in both picture and sound quality? As I understand, this player is well regarded for both DVD and CD. Although I'm not fully "sold" on a one size fits all approach to the new digital media formats. (e.g. this player also works with DVD-A). As always, thanks. -Sam >From: "Mike deVera" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics >Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:46:47 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE487D56005B4004310AC14EE138071C0; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:48:53 -0800 >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10819for naktalk-outgoing; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:34:52 +0100 >Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10816for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:34:49 +0100 >Received: from c994264g ([12.235.104.143]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020301074649.UZTH2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com at c994264g> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:46:49 +0000 >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:50:13 -0800 >Message-ID: <000001c1c0f5$3e3fe5a0$33dffea9 at c994264g> >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) >Importance: Normal >In-Reply-To: <096401c1c0cb$28d31220$3d3442cf at sank1> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com >Precedence: bulk > >The power of persuasion, influenced by Steve himself. There's a CLD-95 on >auction, and looks good enough to bid on, unless I find myself competing >against someone else here. > >It would be worth a try to win and us it for a while and compare the >difference, since I'm in a market to get another CD transport. My Delta just >got sold (teary eye). And I was quite fond of it. And based on unbiased >opinion, I'm also unloading my CLD-79. I don't think I'll be losing much on >video playback, but gaining a stable transport. > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On >Behalf Of Stephen Sank >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 6:46 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > >I have an SL-P1200 cd player, which is redundant to me, as I now have an >SL-P1300 player. Both are excellent players & built to last just as well as >the 1200 tables. No gears, belts or motor brushes at all. None. Top >loading. Linear motor tracking. Brushless platter motor. Really superb >transport. The P1200 is a bit old, so it is 2x oversampling, dual dac & no >digital output. But it is nevertheless an excellent sounding player. Got >the P1300 due to it's having digital out(coax & optical) & 8x/18bit 4 dacs. >Otherwise, identical to the P1200. Don't have schematics on either, so I >was planning to do some physical comparing inside to see if digital out can >be added to the P1200. It's dependent on what the unit's DSP chip is >capable of. As far as the sound on the P1300, while it's not quite as good >as the Pioneer CLD-95, it's really damn close, enough so that I let a client >who'd been CLD-95 hunting by mine last week. As a transport, it might >actually be the equal of the CLD-95(which I consider second only to the >Museatex CDD-1 off all transports ever made). Which is why I'd really like >to be able to add digital out to the P1200, since it's transport is >identical. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Nelson" >To: >Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:11 PM >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > The old 1200 range of TTs by Technics seemed to have been brushed aside by > > audiophiles in later years although I recall seeing areview of the >original > > Mk1 against a Linn LP12 and the reviewwe rated the Technics as the better! > > I've noticed recently a few of their old SL-P1200 pro CD players come onto > > the market, selling usually for between £100-£200, depending on condition. > > The look solidly built but what were they like as a CD player? Anyone >tell > > me the tale? (If this is too OT, write off-line.) I'm curious. > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Speaking of digital connections, while listening to my CR7 I was lamenting > the fact that my DAC has only three inputs: coax, bnc, and toslink. I have > been only using the coax and the toslink. The unit is an Audio Note DAC 1 > Signature; about five years old and sounds great. > > While doing some cable research (ie; trying to find reasonably priced stuff) > I saw a "coax to bnc" digital cable. Is this ok? Are they only different > interfaces but carry the same signal? > > My life would be easier were I to be able to use the bnc interface. > > On another note; in my home theatre system I recently removed the Parasound > psp/1500 AV preamp from the system. Instead, the DVD/Laserdisc AC3 signals > go to a Sony ES digital processor.........all other stereo sources (table, > DAT/CD > Audio Note DAC), nakamichi cassette, VCR stereo output, tuner) go > to the McIntosh C22 preamplifier. > > The main outs from the C22 and the front outputs from the Sony ES processor > feed a little passive DB Audio systems switchbox. This box has a little > rotary switch on the front; that is it. The output of the switchbox feeds an > Audio Note P2SE amplifier which powers the front speakers of the home > theatre system. The center and rears are powered by a Parasound hca 1206 > (with a bit of attenuation to match the Audio Note amp). An Energy > Microstar 12.1 subwoofer (sunfire derivative, I think) is fed signal from > the speaker wires to the Linn Keilidh speakers (fronts); ie, I do not use > the preamp/line level inputs for the sub. > > All video signals go directly from the source (LD. DVD, VHS) to the various > TV video inputs. So, no video signals are running through the audio chain > except for any interaction within the source component itself. > > The whole system sounds very nice, thank you. The only planned upgrade > anytime soon is the replacement of the Spendor center channel speaker. The > spendor is a five (maybe a bit older) year old model that is floor standing; > ie, designed to go under the TV. The restricts its utility. The idea of a > planar speaker for center is intriguing; comments? Or, I might just go with > a Linn center speaker to complement the existing Keilidh speakers. > > A contemplated change down the road is to set up a selection facility so I > would use the Audio Note amp only for stereo listening and the Paraound hca > 1206 would kick in for home theatre duty. But, last time I checked out a > speaker selector box the thing started smoking on me; think is was not rated > for 200wpc amplifier outputs. Any suggestions on a reasonable priced A/B > speaker level selector? Something passive with good components that is not > very large? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:34 AM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > Ron > I am sorry, but I think you need to go back to first principles. There is > a clear body of evidence, from honest, reliable listeners, that says that > these optical digital connections do NOT work the way that the theory says > they should do. To say 'this is patently not true' is ignoring what these > people are hearing. It is just like arguing the CD gives 'perfect sound > forever'. > Instead of insisting that your theory is right, and the listeners are > guilty of self-delusion, go back to your theory and try to work out why it > has failed in this instance. This is my understanding of scientific method. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Friday, 01 March, 2002 15:08 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially > designed > > for wideband applications. > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital coax > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no > matter > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > interface > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > > through the digital coax interface. > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > those that work correctly and those that do not > and should be replaced with one that that does work > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > That > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > at all. > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as OK, > but > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally > flat, > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and generally > not > > very exciting to listen to. > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can also > be > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question correctly. > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > -- Ron > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > George > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack with > a > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output interface > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Mar 2 03:26:45 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:26:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> Stephen, I started to respond, then realized that we have already been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure you'll continue to deride them... Have a nice evening, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Ron, > You really need to lighten up a bit! > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than your > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac chips > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is reduced > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and even > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, this > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant to > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where cable > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac > units. > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering textbooks, > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the existing > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers are > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while for > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables or > interconnects. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > someone > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to be > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon > Holt / > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > altogether. > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that a > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could not > make a > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive > nuances > > > that does shine through. > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > the transport). > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > Stereophile. > > > > Peace, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially > designed > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital > coax > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no > > > matter > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > > > interface > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > That > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > at all. > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as > OK, > > > but > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally > > > flat, > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > generally > > > not > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can > also be > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > correctly. > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack > with a > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > interface > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Sent a money order yesterday. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I am not an everyday webber yet. Also, any suggestions on a repair shop for my bx300? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Are you still interested and going to send money? I'm still getting orders for them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's probably as close as you'll get to to an F-990. Retail in the UK was around UKS 700 in 1992. We have a Canadian member who has both this model and the XK-7000 if I'm not mistaken. It is unlike the Akai GX-95II which had discrete heads, as have all three head Naks of course. It also had Dolby S. I have a couple of pics courtesy of Nick in Moscow which I could send to you if would like? I'm not too sure of my e-mail facility at the momet, so if I don't hear from you, I try you direct, just to be sure. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 03/02/02 10:59AM >>> Hi all, Does anybody has experience with Aiwa Excelia XK-009 ? Is it any good compared to your average 3 head naks ? The size and weight is 'promising' =) Would appreciate any comment also contrasting this excelia with older F990. Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 2 11:45:36 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:45:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mail System Test References: Message-ID: <00ad01c1c1d7$638d0440$133442cf@sank1> Yes, this & your post of a half hour ago both made it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mail System Test > Hi to all on naktalk, > > I would like to know if my mail is making it to you - would someone please simply revert to me if you get this. Many thanks, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Mar 2 12:01:39 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 03:01:39 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Mail System Test In-Reply-To: <00ad01c1c1d7$638d0440$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000e01c1c1d9$a1679a30$33dffea9@c994264g> Stephen, you must have found a secret in which you don't require sleep. Post also recieved here. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mail System Test Yes, this & your post of a half hour ago both made it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mail System Test > Hi to all on naktalk, > > I would like to know if my mail is making it to you - would someone please simply revert to me if you get this. Many thanks, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Mar 2 12:18:49 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 13:18:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you!!! Nakamichi 480Z - small question Message-ID: Gentlemen, thank you very much for your quick responses!! Much appreciated! And indeed, Stephen, as always burning whatever oil he can get his hands on, midnight or otherwise. It must be early Saturday morning in New Mexico. The question I have is, having just bought a nicely kept Nakamichi 480Z...does it have the crystalloy head or the sendust type. I must say it plays very well indeed. I have yet to do a comprehensive recording test with it. Many thanks for your responses again. Hope you all have a great weekend. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Mar 2 13:58:01 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 19:58:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia References: Message-ID: <000701c1c1e9$e5323c60$71289bca@smarzuki> Hi Marc, Thanks for your response ! This XK-009 is different in that it has dbx instead of dolby S, probably older model 80ish ? I swapped both my teac and bx150 for this one and ... i'm sure XK-S9000 (Kevin has that model) is better than this version of 'excelia'. Heavily built, but with most of the weight on panels - the inside contains more free air than anything i've seen :-( The response is not that good either, teac is flatter despite its single capstan (also less bass hump). The heads is of sandwich type. Anyway, i'd appreciate the picture from Nick direct (or to 'nakmania at yahoo.com') if you don't mind. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi Salim, As far as I know, the Aiwa Excelia XK-009 was sold in some markets as the Aiwa XK-9000. It has always received very good ratings and I for one would love to own one. It is is heavily built and beautifully styled. It's probably as close as you'll get to to an F-990. Retail in the UK was around UKS 700 in 1992. We have a Canadian member who has both this model and the XK-7000 if I'm not mistaken. It is unlike the Akai GX-95II which had discrete heads, as have all three head Naks of course. It also had Dolby S. I have a couple of pics courtesy of Nick in Moscow which I could send to you if would like? I'm not too sure of my e-mail facility at the momet, so if I don't hear from you, I try you direct, just to be sure. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 03/02/02 10:59AM >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Mar 2 16:29:46 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:29:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <001f01c1bb0b$05d89940$0e91ff3f@joedavis> <007c01c1bbab$4e559d80$33756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <000c01c1bbbf$47e62fa0$cc8fff3f@joedavis> <00df01c1be04$55b13cf0$10756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> <000f01c1c1a7$2fd6f3c0$708fff3f@joedavis> Message-ID: <006201c1c1ff$15c75210$0f756acf@johnrotten> Great, thanks. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Hi John, Got books today, as advertised. Thanks! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Joe, Got the money, thank you. I'll get on it. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Sent a money order yesterday. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, I am not an everyday webber yet. Also, any suggestions on a repair shop for my bx300? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Are you still interested and going to send money? I'm still getting orders for them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Davis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, I'd like to buy 'em all. Please let me know where to send the $. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: FMtuners at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com ; reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed. #30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested. #31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested. #33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Sat Mar 2 18:36:17 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:36:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia References: <000701c1c1e9$e5323c60$71289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <005101c1c210$c2cf10e0$6501a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi All. I have owned both the XK-009 and the XKS-9000. The XKS-9000 is quite a bit better in terms of build and sould quality. I haven't done a direct comparison to other Dolby S decks that I have like the Teac V-8000S and Teac V-8030S, but it sounds great. However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox. Kevin Rogers Hi Marc, Thanks for your response ! This XK-009 is different in that it has dbx instead of dolby S, probably older model 80ish ? I swapped both my teac and bx150 for this one and ... i'm sure XK-S9000 (Kevin has that model) is better than this version of 'excelia'. Heavily built, but with most of the weight on panels - the inside contains more free air than anything i've seen :-( The response is not that good either, teac is flatter despite its single capstan (also less bass hump). The heads is of sandwich type. Anyway, i'd appreciate the picture from Nick direct (or to 'nakmania at yahoo.com') if you don't mind. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi Salim, As far as I know, the Aiwa Excelia XK-009 was sold in some markets as the Aiwa XK-9000. It has always received very good ratings and I for one would love to own one. It is is heavily built and beautifully styled. It's probably as close as you'll get to to an F-990. Retail in the UK was around UKS 700 in 1992. We have a Canadian member who has both this model and the XK-7000 if I'm not mistaken. It is unlike the Akai GX-95II which had discrete heads, as have all three head Naks of course. It also had Dolby S. I have a couple of pics courtesy of Nick in Moscow which I could send to you if would like? I'm not too sure of my e-mail facility at the momet, so if I don't hear from you, I try you direct, just to be sure. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 03/02/02 10:59AM >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 2 19:54:27 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:54:27 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia In-Reply-To: <005101c1c210$c2cf10e0$6501a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <003001c1c21b$ad9c6d20$d33687d9@a4s1s2> " However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox." said Kevin. Do I detect a missing "not"?! ;oD Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi All. I have owned both the XK-009 and the XKS-9000. The XKS-9000 is quite a bit better in terms of build and sould quality. I haven't done a direct comparison to other Dolby S decks that I have like the Teac V-8000S and Teac V-8030S, but it sounds great. However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox. Kevin Rogers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Mar 2 20:13:06 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 02:13:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia References: <000701c1c1e9$e5323c60$71289bca@smarzuki> <005101c1c210$c2cf10e0$6501a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <001301c1c21e$494a5460$4f289bca@smarzuki> Kevin, did you mean "not as good as a Nak" ? If i remember correctly you rated the XKS-9000 below those 3 brands but above Teac. On XK-009, i think Aiwa paid more attention to finish and cosmetics, like the bulging 'twin transformers' while both can fit inside with some spare spare left (its impressive sounding 'anti resonance' clamp also outweigh the belt drive mechanism). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Rogers To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi All. I have owned both the XK-009 and the XKS-9000. The XKS-9000 is quite a bit better in terms of build and sould quality. I haven't done a direct comparison to other Dolby S decks that I have like the Teac V-8000S and Teac V-8030S, but it sounds great. However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox. Kevin Rogers Hi Marc, Thanks for your response ! This XK-009 is different in that it has dbx instead of dolby S, probably older model 80ish ? I swapped both my teac and bx150 for this one and ... i'm sure XK-S9000 (Kevin has that model) is better than this version of 'excelia'. Heavily built, but with most of the weight on panels - the inside contains more free air than anything i've seen :-( The response is not that good either, teac is flatter despite its single capstan (also less bass hump). The heads is of sandwich type. Anyway, i'd appreciate the picture from Nick direct (or to 'nakmania at yahoo.com') if you don't mind. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi Salim, As far as I know, the Aiwa Excelia XK-009 was sold in some markets as the Aiwa XK-9000. It has always received very good ratings and I for one would love to own one. It is is heavily built and beautifully styled. It's probably as close as you'll get to to an F-990. Retail in the UK was around UKS 700 in 1992. We have a Canadian member who has both this model and the XK-7000 if I'm not mistaken. It is unlike the Akai GX-95II which had discrete heads, as have all three head Naks of course. It also had Dolby S. I have a couple of pics courtesy of Nick in Moscow which I could send to you if would like? I'm not too sure of my e-mail facility at the momet, so if I don't hear from you, I try you direct, just to be sure. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 03/02/02 10:59AM >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bfvasil at mediaone.net Sat Mar 2 20:48:20 2002 From: bfvasil at mediaone.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 14:48:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 Message-ID: <3C812C83.E9212791@mediaone.net> Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , whether it was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less than 20 hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and a new DR10.. Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 2 22:17:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:17:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you!!! Nakamichi 480Z - small question References: Message-ID: <00f601c1c22f$b34cf0a0$133442cf@sank1> The 480 & Z had Sendust r/p head, but certainly does sound good despite this. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Thank you!!! Nakamichi 480Z - small question > Gentlemen, thank you very much for your quick responses!! Much appreciated! > > And indeed, Stephen, as always burning whatever oil he can get his hands on, midnight or otherwise. It must be early Saturday morning in New Mexico. > > The question I have is, having just bought a nicely kept Nakamichi 480Z...does it have the crystalloy head or the sendust type. I must say it plays very well indeed. I have yet to do a comprehensive recording test with it. > > Many thanks for your responses again. Hope you all have a great weekend. > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 2 22:27:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 21:27:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 In-Reply-To: <000401c1c151$40ebee00$d33687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004001c1c231$03cdf5a0$d33687d9@a4s1s2> Anyone know anything about this model, good, bad or indifferent? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 2 22:39:38 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:39:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 References: <3C812C83.E9212791@mediaone.net> Message-ID: <012301c1c232$c1d687a0$133442cf@sank1> The Cass.Deck1 was the first version, literally, of the DR-10. Virtually identical inside. Does have the nice pb azimuth control on front. But, unless it's been replaced, the Deck1 will have a capstan motor doomed to fail prematurely, a cheaper motor that they tried only on that model series & then abandoned, due to high failure rates. Unless the pb azimuth knob is important to you(like if you're a tape trader), you'll get better sound & better reliability with an older, Nak-mechanism Nak, such as an RX505, LX-5, ZX-7/9, 582, 680-series, etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruno Vasil" To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, > i.e. , whether it > was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has > less than 20 > hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) > and a new DR10.. > > Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at mediaone.net Sat Mar 2 23:05:38 2002 From: bfvasil at mediaone.net (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 17:05:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 / saved by the bell References: <3C812C83.E9212791@mediaone.net> <012301c1c232$c1d687a0$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C814CB1.AC232FC3@mediaone.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > The Cass.Deck1 was the first version, literally, of the DR-10. Virtually > identical inside. Does have the nice pb azimuth control on front. But > > > > trader), you'll get better sound & better reliability with an older, > Nak-mechanism Nak, such as an RX505, LX-5, ZX-7/9, 582, 680-series, etc. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Thanks Stephen , probably saved me hundreds of dollars....... Bruno -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 2 23:46:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:46:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT : DVD players In-Reply-To: <020601c1be8f$ca18aca0$3d3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000201c1c23c$1f67b0c0$25ea193e@a4s1s2> For anyone interested, here are some one-liner reviews from Hi Fi World on DVDs http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/bgdvd.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kroger1032 at rogers.com Sun Mar 3 00:52:17 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:52:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia References: <003001c1c21b$ad9c6d20$d33687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000b01c1c245$49f046a0$6501a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Yes you do, typing faster than I think (very slow). Kevin " However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox." said Kevin. Do I detect a missing "not"?! ;oD Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi All. I have owned both the XK-009 and the XKS-9000. The XKS-9000 is quite a bit better in terms of build and sould quality. I haven't done a direct comparison to other Dolby S decks that I have like the Teac V-8000S and Teac V-8030S, but it sounds great. However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox. Kevin Rogers -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Sun Mar 3 01:00:10 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:00:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia References: <000701c1c1e9$e5323c60$71289bca@smarzuki> <005101c1c210$c2cf10e0$6501a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <001301c1c21e$494a5460$4f289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001501c1c246$642c2b00$6501a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi Salim. Yes I meant not as good as a Nak, Tandberg or Revox. I think that the XKS-9000 is much better built than the XK-009. The base is wood for resonance control, perhaps gimmicky, but it does seem to work. I always thought of Aiwa as being much better than the majority of japanese decks. I know that Stephen doesn't like dolby S or the later Aiwa's, but I do like this deck. Kevin Kevin, did you mean "not as good as a Nak" ? If i remember correctly you rated the XKS-9000 below those 3 brands but above Teac. On XK-009, i think Aiwa paid more attention to finish and cosmetics, like the bulging 'twin transformers' while both can fit inside with some spare spare left (its impressive sounding 'anti resonance' clamp also outweigh the belt drive mechanism). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Rogers To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi All. I have owned both the XK-009 and the XKS-9000. The XKS-9000 is quite a bit better in terms of build and sould quality. I haven't done a direct comparison to other Dolby S decks that I have like the Teac V-8000S and Teac V-8030S, but it sounds great. However, it is as good a Nakamichi or Tandberg or Revox. Kevin Rogers Hi Marc, Thanks for your response ! This XK-009 is different in that it has dbx instead of dolby S, probably older model 80ish ? I swapped both my teac and bx150 for this one and ... i'm sure XK-S9000 (Kevin has that model) is better than this version of 'excelia'. Heavily built, but with most of the weight on panels - the inside contains more free air than anything i've seen :-( The response is not that good either, teac is flatter despite its single capstan (also less bass hump). The heads is of sandwich type. Anyway, i'd appreciate the picture from Nick direct (or to 'nakmania at yahoo.com') if you don't mind. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia Hi Salim, As far as I know, the Aiwa Excelia XK-009 was sold in some markets as the Aiwa XK-9000. It has always received very good ratings and I for one would love to own one. It is is heavily built and beautifully styled. It's probably as close as you'll get to to an F-990. Retail in the UK was around UKS 700 in 1992. We have a Canadian member who has both this model and the XK-7000 if I'm not mistaken. It is unlike the Akai GX-95II which had discrete heads, as have all three head Naks of course. It also had Dolby S. I have a couple of pics courtesy of Nick in Moscow which I could send to you if would like? I'm not too sure of my e-mail facility at the momet, so if I don't hear from you, I try you direct, just to be sure. Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 03/02/02 10:59AM >>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 3 18:45:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:45:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <000001c1c0f5$3e3fe5a0$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <000001c1c2db$352c3300$f89d193e@a4s1s2> Mike The guy the CDL95 isn't entertaining overseas bids. Why not have a go! Best of luck. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Mar 3 20:24:17 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:24:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews Message-ID: <01C1C2E9.174A5340.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham I have always had my doubts about Russ's pricing, since I discovered that he charges the same number of POUNDS for Kimber Kable as the dollar price in the US. He also recently put the price of one item up (can't remember which) by 100% or so, and quite happily publicised the fact in one of his magazines. Therefore I cannot recommend him to the US audience. On the positive side, I have tone of his CD interconnects with the 12 dB attenuation to prevent pre-amp overload, and that definitely works. A friend claims a tremendous improvement from using one of his mains leads (I have one, and it made no difference in my system, but there you are!) I believe that he offers a very good return deal, so try it out before you buy - that is a definite plus (and could also explain his pricing policy.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk PS: you said in an early post that "research is not a precise subject". What about Einstein or Newton - didn't they do research that was fabulously precise? -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 03 March, 2002 14:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews http://www.russandrews.com These guys have a sale on at the moment, in case anyone's interested. They will export. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 3 21:18:02 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:18:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews In-Reply-To: <01C1C2E9.174A5340.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c1c2f0$85357fe0$58f8193e@a4s1s2> Hi John I have doubts about some of the claims for the products that are sold by Russ Andrews, too! His stuff is certainly not cheap. On the other hand, the deal you get with some of the cables - like all your money back when you trade in for a better cable - has to be funded somehow! You said: "PS: you said in an early post that "research is not a precise subject". What about Einstein or Newton - didn't they do research that was fabulously precise?" Ummm .... no, not all the time. You'll note that Newton developed a THEORY of gravity as Einstein also developed a THEORY of Relativity. Neither were theorums (which is a proven theory.) Gravity may be proven now to the satisfaction of physicists (although I don't think it is regarded as a theorum even now) but Relativity certainly isn't proven - the model seems to fail to explain quite a number of new phenomena being discovered by physicists during the last decade. However, the kind of research to which I was referring when I said it was not a precise subject was a different kind of research, the "sample survey" kind of research, as carried out by the likes of research organisations as MORI, Harris, NOP, RSGB, et al. The premis upon which it works is also based upon a theory - Sample Theory, derived from Information Theory. Like so many theories, sample theory works some of the time but not all of the time, which is why public opinion polls are often wrong! The other week one UK newspaper reported that 78% of Britons were in favour of joining the Euro, whereas a different newspaper reported their poll had recorded that 25% of Britons were in favour of joining the Euro ... Well, they can't be both right, can they! When I say research is imprecise, THAT's partly what I mean by imprecise! Any statistic derived from a sample is, at best, only an approximation of the truth; and at worst, it's a complete misrepresentation of the truth. ;oD Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 03 March 2002 07:24 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews Graham I have always had my doubts about Russ's pricing, since I discovered that he charges the same number of POUNDS for Kimber Kable as the dollar price in the US. He also recently put the price of one item up (can't remember which) by 100% or so, and quite happily publicised the fact in one of his magazines. Therefore I cannot recommend him to the US audience. On the positive side, I have tone of his CD interconnects with the 12 dB attenuation to prevent pre-amp overload, and that definitely works. A friend claims a tremendous improvement from using one of his mains leads (I have one, and it made no difference in my system, but there you are!) I believe that he offers a very good return deal, so try it out before you buy - that is a definite plus (and could also explain his pricing policy.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk PS: you said in an early post that "research is not a precise subject". What about Einstein or Newton - didn't they do research that was fabulously precise? -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 03 March, 2002 14:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews http://www.russandrews.com These guys have a sale on at the moment, in case anyone's interested. They will export. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Mar 3 22:56:51 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:56:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2040 Message-ID: <200203031657_MC3-F44A-74C5@compuserve.com> Hi, I have the sales catalogues of both the older XK-009 and the XK-S9000 in Japanese. I cannot read Japanese, but from the pictures I can tell that the mechanism and heads are almost identical. The performance figures are given as: XK-009: (99,800 Japanese Yen) wow/flutter: 0.018% (WRMS) ±0.035% (WPEAK) frequency range: Metal: (-20dB) 20~22kHz±3dB (0dB) 20~18kHz±3dB CrO2: (-20dB) 20~21kHz±3dB (0dB) 20~15kHz±3dB LH: (-20dB) 20`20kHz±3dB (0dB) 20~12kHz±3dB SNR: 95dB (dbx ON, Metal tape) 75dB (Dolby C ON, metal tape) XK-S9000: (135,000 J. Yen) wow/flutter: 0.018% (WRMS) ±0.035% (WPEAK) frequency range: Metal: (-20dB) 8~27kHz-10dB 13~24kHz±3dB CrO2: (-20dB)13~22kHz±3dB LH: (-20dB)3`21kHz±3dB SNR: 65dB (NR OFF, Metal tape) 84dB (Dolby S ON, metal tape) XK-S9000 has an additional DC motor for the door. Also it has dual 18 bit D/A converters for the direct coax/S-PDIF optical digital inputs. Very impressive figures, but one has to listen to justify I guess.. regards, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 19:00:10 -0500 From: "Kevin Rogers" Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: aiwa excelia < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Sun Mar 3 22:30:55 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:30:55 Subject: [naktalk] Check out the price THIS Dragon is going for! Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 4 00:04:47 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:04:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Holy crap! Dragon "buy it now" $500 Message-ID: <000901c1c307$d1b87a40$123442cf@sank1> Guess this guy hasn't looked at other Dragon auctions lately!: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336975827 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Mar 4 00:26:57 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 18:26:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Holy crap! Dragon "buy it now" $500 References: <000901c1c307$d1b87a40$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <009001c1c30a$ea300770$47756acf@johnrotten> Now don't go tempting us! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Holy crap! Dragon "buy it now" $500 > Guess this guy hasn't looked at other Dragon auctions lately!: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336975827 > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sun Mar 3 23:49:54 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:49:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Well people , nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > Stephen, > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > you'll continue to deride them... > > Have a nice evening, > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Ron, > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than your > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac chips > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is reduced > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and even > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, this > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant to > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where cable > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac > > units. > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering textbooks, > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the existing > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers are > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while for > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables or > > interconnects. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > someone > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to be > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon > > Holt / > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > altogether. > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that a > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could not > > make a > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive > > nuances > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > the transport). > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical signal--to > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like normal > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially > > designed > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding digital > > coax > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same no > > > > matter > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > > > > interface > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they can > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is kinked. > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality as > > OK, > > > > but > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is dimensionally > > > > flat, > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > generally > > > > not > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can > > also be > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > correctly. > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, just > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA jack > > with a > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > interface > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 4 00:54:39 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 23:54:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Holy crap! Dragon "buy it now" $500 In-Reply-To: <000901c1c307$d1b87a40$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1c30e$c801bc80$58f8193e@a4s1s2> I gather the guy who was selling now needs a prosthetic hand .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 03 March 2002 11:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Holy crap! Dragon "buy it now" $500 Guess this guy hasn't looked at other Dragon auctions lately!: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336975827 Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 4 01:01:29 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:01:29 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Message-ID: <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Well people , > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > your > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > chips > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > reduced > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and > even > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, > this > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant > to > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > cable > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac > > > units. > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > textbooks, > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > existing > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers > are > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > for > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > or > > > interconnects. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > someone > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to > be > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon > > > Holt / > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > altogether. > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that > a > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > not > > > make a > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive > > > nuances > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > signal--to > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > normal > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially > > > designed > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > digital > > > coax > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same > no > > > > > matter > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > > > > > interface > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they > can > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > as > > > OK, > > > > > but > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > dimensionally > > > > > flat, > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > generally > > > > > not > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can > > > also be > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, > just > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > jack > > > with a > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > interface > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 4 01:23:16 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 00:23:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000e01c1c312$c76fb8e0$58f8193e@a4s1s2> Hmmm.... cynical Charlie that I am, I suspect the XLR is preferred because it LOOKS more professional, being huge, chunky and built to last a Millennium .... ;oD -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 04 March 2002 12:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Well people , > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > your > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > chips > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > reduced > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and > even > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, > this > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant > to > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > cable > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac > > > units. > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > textbooks, > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > existing > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers > are > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > for > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > or > > > interconnects. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > someone > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to > be > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon > > > Holt / > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > altogether. > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that > a > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > not > > > make a > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive > > > nuances > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > signal--to > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > normal > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially > > > designed > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > digital > > > coax > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same > no > > > > > matter > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > > > > > interface > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they > can > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > as > > > OK, > > > > > but > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > dimensionally > > > > > flat, > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > generally > > > > > not > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can > > > also be > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, > just > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > jack > > > with a > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > interface > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Mar 4 02:43:40 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 17:43:40 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C82D14C.DD4C4C1A@earthlink.net> Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion regarding coax cable length. There evidently is a theory that coax digital cable shorter than 1.5 meters cause nasty internal "reflections" that can have audible consequences. I've never auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital cable and wondered if there is any scientific or audible evidence to support the theory. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > Well people , > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > Norman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > flawed. > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > > your > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > > chips > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > bass > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > > reduced > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, > and > > even > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > lower > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > So, > > this > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap > & > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > significant > > to > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > > cable > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > different > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > way), > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other > dac > > > > units. > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > textbooks, > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > existing > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > engineers > > are > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > > for > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > hearing, > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > > or > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > > someone > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want > to > > be > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > Gordon > > > > Holt / > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > altogether. > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence > that > > a > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > > not > > > > make a > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared > my > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > positive > > > > nuances > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > signal--to > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > > normal > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > specially > > > > designed > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > digital > > > > coax > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > same > > no > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > optical > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than > they > > can > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > > as > > > > OK, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > dimensionally > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > > generally > > > > > > not > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It > can > > > > also be > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > stock, > > just > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > > jack > > > > with a > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > > interface > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 4 03:07:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:07:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> <3C82D14C.DD4C4C1A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00ad01c1c321$58e7ae00$123442cf@sank1> I am VERY firmly of the opinion that "the shorter the better" on any digital cable. I've never heard any evidence to the contrary & I'm quite sure this "certain length required" nonsense is just a feeble attempt by Purist & other overpriced cable makers to sell more cable. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion regarding coax cable > length. There evidently is a theory that coax digital cable shorter than 1.5 meters > cause nasty internal "reflections" that can have audible consequences. I've never > auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital cable and wondered if there > is any scientific or audible evidence to support the theory. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU > > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that > > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to > > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange > > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an > > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF > > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > Well people , > > > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > > > Norman > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > > flawed. > > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > > > your > > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > > > chips > > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > > bass > > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > > > reduced > > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, > > and > > > even > > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > > lower > > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > > So, > > > this > > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap > > & > > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > > significant > > > to > > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > > > cable > > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > > different > > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > > way), > > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other > > dac > > > > > units. > > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > > textbooks, > > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > > existing > > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > > engineers > > > are > > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > > > for > > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > > hearing, > > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > > > or > > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > > > someone > > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want > > to > > > be > > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > > Gordon > > > > > Holt / > > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence > > that > > > a > > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > > > not > > > > > make a > > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared > > my > > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > > positive > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > > signal--to > > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > > > normal > > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > > specially > > > > > designed > > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > > digital > > > > > coax > > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > > same > > > no > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > > optical > > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than > > they > > > can > > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > > > as > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > > dimensionally > > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > > > generally > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It > > can > > > > > also be > > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > > stock, > > > just > > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > > > jack > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Mar 4 03:22:52 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 18:22:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> <3C82D14C.DD4C4C1A@earthlink.net> <00ad01c1c321$58e7ae00$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C82DA7B.FE9D6E5A@earthlink.net> The benefits of shorter cables lengths (analog, especially) does make sense, intuitively. Would you mind giving a brief technical explanation of reflection theory as it relates to cables and connectors? Thanks, Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I am VERY firmly of the opinion that "the shorter the better" on any digital > cable. I've never heard any evidence to the contrary & I'm quite sure this > "certain length required" nonsense is just a feeble attempt by Purist & > other overpriced cable makers to sell more cable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion regarding coax > cable > > length. There evidently is a theory that coax digital cable shorter than > 1.5 meters > > cause nasty internal "reflections" that can have audible consequences. > I've never > > auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital cable and > wondered if there > > is any scientific or audible evidence to support the theory. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > > > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR > AES/EBU > > > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > > > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is > that > > > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > > > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need > to > > > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it > strange > > > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not > an > > > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an > RF > > > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Well people , > > > > > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > > > > > Norman > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > > > flawed. > > > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter > than > > > > your > > > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream > dac > > > > chips > > > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > > > bass > > > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips > is > > > > reduced > > > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the > average, > > > and > > > > even > > > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > > > lower > > > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > > > So, > > > > this > > > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as > "cheap > > > & > > > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > > > significant > > > > to > > > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point > where > > > > cable > > > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > > > different > > > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that > 2ps > > > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > > > way), > > > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with > other > > > dac > > > > > > units. > > > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > > > textbooks, > > > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > > > existing > > > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > > > engineers > > > > are > > > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what > they > > > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good > while > > > > for > > > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > > > hearing, > > > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker > cables > > > > or > > > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written > by > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't > want > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > > > Gordon > > > > > > Holt / > > > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural > confidence > > > that > > > > a > > > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, > could > > > > not > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I > compared > > > my > > > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > > > positive > > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > > > signal--to > > > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look > like > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > > > specially > > > > > > designed > > > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > > > digital > > > > > > coax > > > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > > > same > > > > no > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > > > optical > > > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse > than > > > they > > > > can > > > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable > is > > > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the > sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound > quality > > > > as > > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > > > dimensionally > > > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), > and > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. > It > > > can > > > > > > also be > > > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the > question > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > > > stock, > > > > just > > > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice > RCA > > > > jack > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF > output > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 02:55:25 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 02:55:25 Subject: [naktalk] New email address... Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 4 04:04:20 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 22:04:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> <3C82D14C.DD4C4C1A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3C82E434.6ACD9B6B@concentric.net> A cable with a constant characteristic impedance (both wire and connectors), driven by a source of that impedance and terminated at the other end by that impedance, has no reflections (no standing waves), regardless of length. In such a setup, the cable represents pure loss, that depends on signal frequency, length of the cable and (connector and cable) characteristics. As long as the loss is lower than the receiver noise immunity, the cable is totally transparent. >From this point of view, the shorter the cable, the better. In home systems, cables are too short to make any difference. I have no idea why shorter cables will somehow develop standing waves. Of course, this depends on the correct impedance matching stipulated above. Most people do not realize that RCA connectors do not have a constant impedance and aren't even close to 75 ohms (they're more like 100 to 150 ohms). In fact, the only good thing about RCA connectors is their low cost. (Some manufacturers do claim a 75 ohm impedance for their RCA connectors -- Cardas and Philmore come to mind). As a result, most cables deviate from the ideal and do exhibit standing waves. Luckily, at the low frequencies involved this is not critical. At higher frequencies (say, cable TV) RCA connectors won't work and F connectors are the rule. For exacting applications, correct BNC connectors are better. -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion > regarding coax cable length. There evidently is a theory that > coax digital cable shorter than 1.5 meters cause nasty internal > "reflections" that can have audible consequences. I've never > auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital > cable and wondered if there is any scientific or audible > evidence to support the theory. > > Jim Volpatti > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU > > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that > > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to > > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange > > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an > > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF > > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > Well people , > > > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > > > Norman > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > > flawed. > > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > > > your > > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > > > chips > > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > > bass > > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > > > reduced > > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, > > and > > > even > > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > > lower > > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > > So, > > > this > > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap > > & > > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > > significant > > > to > > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > > > cable > > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > > different > > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > > way), > > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other > > dac > > > > > units. > > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > > textbooks, > > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > > existing > > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > > engineers > > > are > > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > > > for > > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > > hearing, > > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > > > or > > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > > > someone > > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want > > to > > > be > > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > > Gordon > > > > > Holt / > > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence > > that > > > a > > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > > > not > > > > > make a > > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared > > my > > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > > positive > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > > signal--to > > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > > > normal > > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > > specially > > > > > designed > > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > > digital > > > > > coax > > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > > same > > > no > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > > optical > > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than > > they > > > can > > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > > > as > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > > dimensionally > > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > > > generally > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It > > can > > > > > also be > > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > > stock, > > > just > > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > > > jack > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 03:06:25 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 03:06:25 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - DAT Recorders/Players and CD Burners Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Mar 4 04:12:44 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:12:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection In-Reply-To: <3C82DA7B.FE9D6E5A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001101c1c32a$745f9b30$33dffea9@c994264g> Walking on thin ice (not researching the source), I have read that 1 meter is optimal, and shorter is detrimental to the signal. I'll look into previous subscriptions of different audio rags I have. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection The benefits of shorter cables lengths (analog, especially) does make sense, intuitively. Would you mind giving a brief technical explanation of reflection theory as it relates to cables and connectors? Thanks, Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I am VERY firmly of the opinion that "the shorter the better" on any digital > cable. I've never heard any evidence to the contrary & I'm quite sure this > "certain length required" nonsense is just a feeble attempt by Purist & > other overpriced cable makers to sell more cable. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion regarding coax > cable > > length. There evidently is a theory that coax digital cable shorter than > 1.5 meters > > cause nasty internal "reflections" that can have audible consequences. > I've never > > auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital cable and > wondered if there > > is any scientific or audible evidence to support the theory. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > > > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR > AES/EBU > > > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > > > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is > that > > > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > > > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need > to > > > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it > strange > > > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not > an > > > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an > RF > > > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > > To: > > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Well people , > > > > > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > > > > > Norman > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > > > flawed. > > > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter > than > > > > your > > > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream > dac > > > > chips > > > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > > > bass > > > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips > is > > > > reduced > > > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the > average, > > > and > > > > even > > > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > > > lower > > > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > > > So, > > > > this > > > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as > "cheap > > > & > > > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > > > significant > > > > to > > > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point > where > > > > cable > > > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > > > different > > > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that > 2ps > > > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > > > way), > > > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with > other > > > dac > > > > > > units. > > > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > > > textbooks, > > > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > > > existing > > > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > > > engineers > > > > are > > > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what > they > > > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good > while > > > > for > > > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > > > hearing, > > > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker > cables > > > > or > > > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written > by > > > > > > someone > > > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't > want > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > > > Gordon > > > > > > Holt / > > > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural > confidence > > > that > > > > a > > > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, > could > > > > not > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I > compared > > > my > > > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > > > positive > > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > > > signal--to > > > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look > like > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > > > specially > > > > > > designed > > > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > > > digital > > > > > > coax > > > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > > > same > > > > no > > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > > > optical > > > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse > than > > > they > > > > can > > > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable > is > > > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the > sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound > quality > > > > as > > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > > > dimensionally > > > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), > and > > > > > > generally > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. > It > > > can > > > > > > also be > > > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the > question > > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > > > stock, > > > > just > > > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice > RCA > > > > jack > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF > output > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer > Co. > > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Mar 4 04:17:20 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:17:20 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics In-Reply-To: <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001201c1c32b$1950f2b0$33dffea9@c994264g> Why has Michael Fremer waxed poetic about a lower noise floor using AES/EBU? Or someone he interviewed? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman van Wijnen" To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > Well people , > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > Norman > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Ron, > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously flawed. > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > your > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > chips > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & bass > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > reduced > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, and > even > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far lower > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. So, > this > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap & > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter significant > to > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > cable > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, different > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the way), > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other dac > > > units. > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > textbooks, > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > existing > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, engineers > are > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > for > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was hearing, > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > or > > > interconnects. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > someone > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want to > be > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. Gordon > > > Holt / > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > altogether. > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence that > a > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > not > > > make a > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared my > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle positive > > > nuances > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > signal--to > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > normal > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be specially > > > designed > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > digital > > > coax > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the same > no > > > > > matter > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap optical > > > > > interface > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than they > can > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > as > > > OK, > > > > > but > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > dimensionally > > > > > flat, > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > generally > > > > > not > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It can > > > also be > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as stock, > just > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > jack > > > with a > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > interface > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Mar 4 04:16:50 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:46:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection Message-ID: <004501c1c32b$073af940$42d60192@vsnl> Ron The termination( or the resistance part) is done on the board - say DA converter box or say Home receiver rather than the cable itself. So if the connector part - female( of BNC ) is replaced with RCA. and if the cable itself has very low resistance RCA cable will be no different from BNC or for that matter any other( so there is nothing like 75 Ohm RCA connector). We have to worry about good shielding in case of un balanced connection as well as contact resistance of the male / female connector Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > >>From this point of view, the shorter the cable, the >better. In home systems, cables are too short to make >any difference. I have no idea why shorter cables will >somehow develop standing waves. > >Of course, this depends on the correct impedance >matching stipulated above. Most people do not realize >that RCA connectors do not have a constant impedance >and aren't even close to 75 ohms (they're more like >100 to 150 ohms). In fact, the only good thing about >RCA connectors is their low cost. (Some manufacturers >do claim a 75 ohm impedance for their RCA connectors >-- Cardas and Philmore come to mind). As a result, >most cables deviate from the ideal and do exhibit >standing waves. Luckily, at the low frequencies involved >this is not critical. At higher frequencies (say, cable >TV) RCA connectors won't work and F connectors are the >rule. For exacting applications, correct BNC connectors >are better. > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regarding 24/96 and 24/192 capability vs 16/44, remember that high bit and sampling rates do not, in and of themselves, guarantee better sound quality. It is the implementation of the technology that is the key. I would you choose an Accuphase 16/44 CD player over a $500 24/192 DVD player every time. Be careful to not get caught up in the marketing hype of the latest digital formats. I've heard the latest SACD players from Sony, Marantz and Accuphase and felt that the Sony models sounded muddy, the Marantz thin and the Accuphase, ah just right. Of course, the Accuphase is a five figure piece but has the sexiest, most atmospheric and organic sound of any digital piece I've ever heard. At lower price points I prefer upsampling or quality Redbook CD players to SACD. As far as recording from your source to high res DVD and then to cassette, why on earth would anyone want to put an extra generation of AD and DA (regardless of quality) between the source and the cassette deck? The extra signal path complexity and converters would only make the final recording worse. Also, as a rule, I avoid first generation products. It usually takes a generation or two for the true capability of a product to emerge. Jim Volpatti Sam Barr wrote: > Hi All! I had the opportunity today to record using a new Tascam DV-05 > (or 50?) DAT recorder. It has replaced our aging but trusty Panasonic > SV-3800, and I have to admit that the sound of the Tascam unit was > great. I was pleasantly surprised to the point that I wouldn't mind > having and using one in my home for music recording. So to Graham and > John, congratulations. DAT is half bad after all. (LOL) An unrelated > question - are any of you familiar with HHB CD Burners? One of my > colleagues recommeded their stand-alone CD Burner to me. I suggested > the Fostex CR-300 (recommended to me from this fine list of audio > professionals). How would the HHB rate against the recommended > Fostex? And finally, have any of you heard of the Fostex DV 40 DVD > Recorder? Now I REALLY like the notion of recording at 24-bits/96 Khz > and even up to 24-bits/192 Khz which this devices allows. How about > this scenario: Record your favorite music to DVD at 24-bits/192 Khz, > then "dump" that recording to your favorite metal tape using your > pristine Nak. Now THAT would be an ideal sounding recording, yes? As > always, thanks! -Sam > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 4 15:17:59 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 09:17:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <004501c1c32b$073af940$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3C838217.63C0701B@concentric.net> Kannan, Your comments are correct for a shielded audio cable. However, we are talking about coax cable, used for digital signals or video. The question was whether the length of such coax cable affects reflections. I think it doesn't. However, reflections *will* occur if the connectors are not of the correct impedance. Generally, RCA connectors do not have constant 75 ohm impedance but there are BNC connectors that do. For high frequency digital applications and long cables, common RCA connectors will not work but 75 ohm BNC connectors will. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Ron > The termination( or the resistance part) is done on the board - say DA > converter box or say Home receiver rather than the cable itself. So if the > connector part - female( of BNC ) is replaced with RCA. and if the cable > itself has very low resistance RCA cable will be no different from BNC or > for that matter any other( so there is nothing like 75 Ohm RCA connector). > We have to worry about good shielding in case of un balanced connection as > well as contact resistance of the male / female connector > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > > > > >>From this point of view, the shorter the cable, the > >better. In home systems, cables are too short to make > >any difference. I have no idea why shorter cables will > >somehow develop standing waves. > > > >Of course, this depends on the correct impedance > >matching stipulated above. Most people do not realize > >that RCA connectors do not have a constant impedance > >and aren't even close to 75 ohms (they're more like > >100 to 150 ohms). In fact, the only good thing about > >RCA connectors is their low cost. (Some manufacturers > >do claim a 75 ohm impedance for their RCA connectors > >-- Cardas and Philmore come to mind). As a result, > >most cables deviate from the ideal and do exhibit > >standing waves. Luckily, at the low frequencies involved > >this is not critical. At higher frequencies (say, cable > >TV) RCA connectors won't work and F connectors are the > >rule. For exacting applications, correct BNC connectors > >are better. > > > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 4 18:02:43 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:02:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - DAT Recorders/Players and CD Burners References: Message-ID: <012c01c1c39e$66fb9f60$123442cf@sank1> Personally, I consider Fostex to be much like Olympus, per my camcorder example, i.e., the mere application of the Fostex label seems to make even good OEM products go bad. The Fostex cd burner might be or have been decent, but you can't count on them using as good an OEM source from one year to the next. And I can definitely say that the products they have been responsible for designing &/or building have been of quite marginal quality. Just ask any Fostex reel to reel deck owner. And I'll second the vote on waiting for the next generation of DVD burners. Considering that DVD pb/read drives have yet to be made reliable, the odds of getting decent reliability from a DVD burner are slim to none, in my estimation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Barr" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - DAT Recorders/Players and CD Burners > Hi All! > > I had the opportunity today to record using a new Tascam DV-05 (or 50?) DAT recorder. It has replaced our aging but trusty Panasonic SV-3800, and I have to admit that the sound of the Tascam unit was great. I was pleasantly surprised to the point that I wouldn't mind having and using one in my home for music recording. So to Graham and John, congratulations. DAT is half bad after all. (LOL) > > An unrelated question - are any of you familiar with HHB CD Burners? One of my colleagues recommeded their stand-alone CD Burner to me. I suggested the Fostex CR-300 (recommended to me from this fine list of audio professionals). How would the HHB rate against the recommended Fostex? > > And finally, have any of you heard of the Fostex DV 40 DVD Recorder? Now I REALLY like the notion of recording at 24-bits/96 Khz and even up to 24-bits/192 Khz which this devices allows. How about this scenario: > > Record your favorite music to DVD at 24-bits/192 Khz, then "dump" that recording to your favorite metal tape using your pristine Nak. Now THAT would be an ideal sounding recording, yes? As always, thanks! > > -Sam > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 4 18:12:03 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:12:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <004501c1c32b$073af940$42d60192@vsnl> <3C838217.63C0701B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <013401c1c39f$b50b0820$123442cf@sank1> I'll just add to this that the one major point to keep in mind is that the digital datastream is a radio frequency signal, with 16/44k being a 4.3218mHz signal, which is why termination impedances are critical. I don't believe for a second that a dig cable can cause reflection jitter artifacts from being the "wrong length". There's no logical support for that concept that I can remotely think of. But the improper termination impedances caused by, for instance, pcb mount RCA jacks with right angles in the connecting parts certainly does have a marked effect on reflection-induced jitter. Of course, none of this explains why my un-shielded, un-coax, un-75ohm(or even remotely close) digital cables seem to have lower jitter artifacts than even the most scientifically perfect 75ohm dig cables I or any of my clients have compared it to. Nor does it explain why my, or any other cables I've heard, exhibit better sound after several days of "breaking in", or why my cable sounds slightly better with 99.999% pure silver than with 99.99% pure silver. Have fun batting that one around, Ron. ;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > Kannan, > > Your comments are correct for a shielded audio cable. > However, we are talking about coax cable, used for > digital signals or video. The question was whether the > length of such coax cable affects reflections. I think > it doesn't. However, reflections *will* occur if the > connectors are not of the correct impedance. Generally, > RCA connectors do not have constant 75 ohm impedance > but there are BNC connectors that do. For high > frequency digital applications and long cables, common > RCA connectors will not work but 75 ohm BNC connectors > will. > > -- Ron > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > Ron > > The termination( or the resistance part) is done on the board - say DA > > converter box or say Home receiver rather than the cable itself. So if the > > connector part - female( of BNC ) is replaced with RCA. and if the cable > > itself has very low resistance RCA cable will be no different from BNC or > > for that matter any other( so there is nothing like 75 Ohm RCA connector). > > We have to worry about good shielding in case of un balanced connection as > > well as contact resistance of the male / female connector > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:13 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > > > > > > > > >>From this point of view, the shorter the cable, the > > >better. In home systems, cables are too short to make > > >any difference. I have no idea why shorter cables will > > >somehow develop standing waves. > > > > > >Of course, this depends on the correct impedance > > >matching stipulated above. Most people do not realize > > >that RCA connectors do not have a constant impedance > > >and aren't even close to 75 ohms (they're more like > > >100 to 150 ohms). In fact, the only good thing about > > >RCA connectors is their low cost. (Some manufacturers > > >do claim a 75 ohm impedance for their RCA connectors > > >-- Cardas and Philmore come to mind). As a result, > > >most cables deviate from the ideal and do exhibit > > >standing waves. Luckily, at the low frequencies involved > > >this is not critical. At higher frequencies (say, cable > > >TV) RCA connectors won't work and F connectors are the > > >rule. For exacting applications, correct BNC connectors > > >are better. > > > > > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 17:10:46 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:10:46 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - DAT Recorders/Players and CD Burners Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Mon Mar 4 18:42:17 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 12:42:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C83B1F9.BAC04B4E@snip.net> Steve, I'll bet you that yours does (has an RF impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec). How are the amps, Spectral and the Dragon coming along? Best regards. John Stephen Sank wrote: > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > Well people , > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > Norman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > flawed. > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > > your > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > > chips > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > bass > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > > reduced > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, > and > > even > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > lower > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > So, > > this > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap > & > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > significant > > to > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > > cable > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > different > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > way), > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other > dac > > > > units. > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > textbooks, > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > existing > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > engineers > > are > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > > for > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > hearing, > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > > or > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > > someone > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want > to > > be > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > Gordon > > > > Holt / > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > altogether. > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence > that > > a > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > > not > > > > make a > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared > my > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > positive > > > > nuances > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > signal--to > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > > normal > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > specially > > > > designed > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > digital > > > > coax > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > same > > no > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > optical > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than > they > > can > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > > as > > > > OK, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > dimensionally > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > > generally > > > > > > not > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It > can > > > > also be > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > stock, > > just > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > > jack > > > > with a > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > > interface > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Mon Mar 4 18:53:50 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:53:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <001601c1c13d$75ba6440$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C7FB910.D66EB5B1@concentric.net> <0a9001c1c14c$1dadf6e0$3d3442cf@sank1> <3C803865.6E66CF97@concentric.net> <002701c1c305$bc6d0a40$3a5d33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> <003801c1c30f$bd5255a0$123442cf@sank1> <3C82D14C.DD4C4C1A@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I read somewhere that the CIRC error correction system used for CD´s is able to correct some 200 errors per second. This is an impressive number! So if other errors are few, (transport, acoustical feedback, dirt on the disk, etc), maybe mismatch "reflections" will be corrected. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion regarding coax cable > length. There evidently is a theory that coax digital cable shorter than 1.5 meters > cause nasty internal "reflections" that can have audible consequences. I've never > auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital cable and wondered if there > is any scientific or audible evidence to support the theory. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU > > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that > > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to > > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange > > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an > > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF > > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > Well people , > > > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > > > Norman > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > > flawed. > > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > > > your > > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > > > chips > > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > > bass > > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > > > reduced > > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, > > and > > > even > > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > > lower > > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > > So, > > > this > > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap > > & > > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > > significant > > > to > > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > > > cable > > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > > different > > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > > way), > > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other > > dac > > > > > units. > > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > > textbooks, > > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > > existing > > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > > engineers > > > are > > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > > > for > > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > > hearing, > > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > > > or > > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > > > someone > > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want > > to > > > be > > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > > Gordon > > > > > Holt / > > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence > > that > > > a > > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > > > not > > > > > make a > > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared > > my > > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > > positive > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > > signal--to > > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > > > normal > > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > > specially > > > > > designed > > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > > digital > > > > > coax > > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > > same > > > no > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > > optical > > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than > > they > > > can > > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > > > as > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > > dimensionally > > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > > > generally > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It > > can > > > > > also be > > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > > stock, > > > just > > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > > > jack > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Mar 4 19:01:11 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 01:01:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] for those who hate multichannel music Message-ID: <001401c1c3a6$91d92880$51289bca@smarzuki> For 2 channel diehards ...... here's two channel surround sound ! by NiroTek: http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1281 Cheers, sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Mar 4 20:00:30 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:00:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Completely and utterly OT Message-ID: <01C1C3AE.EB1A9C00.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham I was having a bit of fun at your expense. Newton's Laws of motion are absolutely precise. Einstein's special relativity theory is equally as precise, and follows Newton exactly at the low speeds that Newton could measure, but diverges when you start to move at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. These are theories that have been validated by experiment, which is what 'proper' research is all about. Unfortunately, in our complex and chaos driven world, even hard scientists find it difficult to produce 'exact' theories, and have to resort to statistics and sampling theory. I used to be able to tell the difference between a chi-squared and an F-test myself a while back! John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 03 March, 2002 20:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews Hi John I have doubts about some of the claims for the products that are sold by Russ Andrews, too! His stuff is certainly not cheap. On the other hand, the deal you get with some of the cables - like all your money back when you trade in for a better cable - has to be funded somehow! You said: "PS: you said in an early post that "research is not a precise subject". What about Einstein or Newton - didn't they do research that was fabulously precise?" Ummm .... no, not all the time. You'll note that Newton developed a THEORY of gravity as Einstein also developed a THEORY of Relativity. Neither were theorums (which is a proven theory.) Gravity may be proven now to the satisfaction of physicists (although I don't think it is regarded as a theorum even now) but Relativity certainly isn't proven - the model seems to fail to explain quite a number of new phenomena being discovered by physicists during the last decade. However, the kind of research to which I was referring when I said it was not a precise subject was a different kind of research, the "sample survey" kind of research, as carried out by the likes of research organisations as MORI, Harris, NOP, RSGB, et al. The premis upon which it works is also based upon a theory - Sample Theory, derived from Information Theory. Like so many theories, sample theory works some of the time but not all of the time, which is why public opinion polls are often wrong! The other week one UK newspaper reported that 78% of Britons were in favour of joining the Euro, whereas a different newspaper reported their poll had recorded that 25% of Britons were in favour of joining the Euro ... Well, they can't be both right, can they! When I say research is imprecise, THAT's partly what I mean by imprecise! Any statistic derived from a sample is, at best, only an approximation of the truth; and at worst, it's a complete misrepresentation of the truth. ;oD Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 03 March 2002 07:24 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews Graham I have always had my doubts about Russ's pricing, since I discovered that he charges the same number of POUNDS for Kimber Kable as the dollar price in the US. He also recently put the price of one item up (can't remember which) by 100% or so, and quite happily publicised the fact in one of his magazines. Therefore I cannot recommend him to the US audience. On the positive side, I have tone of his CD interconnects with the 12 dB attenuation to prevent pre-amp overload, and that definitely works. A friend claims a tremendous improvement from using one of his mains leads (I have one, and it made no difference in my system, but there you are!) I believe that he offers a very good return deal, so try it out before you buy - that is a definite plus (and could also explain his pricing policy.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk PS: you said in an early post that "research is not a precise subject". What about Einstein or Newton - didn't they do research that was fabulously precise? -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 03 March, 2002 14:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT:Russ Andrews http://www.russandrews.com These guys have a sale on at the moment, in case anyone's interested. They will export. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 4 20:14:16 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:14:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Completely and utterly OT In-Reply-To: <01C1C3AE.EB1A9C00.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201c1c3b0$c736c3c0$627143d4@a4s1s2> LOL!!! Well, if you can figure out how to use the Chi Square test and can tell me you'll do me a favour because I'e been struggling to understand that one from text books for years!!! F test ... now, that I did crack ... isn't that the one where you say ".... well, that doesn't look F### right for a start ...." Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 04 March 2002 07:01 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Completely and utterly OT Graham I was having a bit of fun at your expense. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Mon Mar 4 22:52:54 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:52:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 Message-ID: I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source and tape. Other than that I'm very pleased with it. Ken Bruno Vasil aone.net> cc: Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 owner-naktalk @naks.com 03/02/02 12:48 PM Please respond to naktalk Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , whether it was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less than 20 hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and a new DR10.. Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Mon Mar 4 23:31:54 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:31:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 References: Message-ID: <000b01c1c3cc$64b65460$ee02010a@titusint.com> Hi I did not see the original post regarding how to fix the hum. Can any one fill me in on how to do it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > > I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it > for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing > stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in > to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the > humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to > fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. > > The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible > when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source > and tape. > > Other than that I'm very pleased with it. > > Ken > > > > Bruno Vasil > > aone.net> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 03/02/02 > 12:48 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , > whether it > was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less > than 20 > hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and > a new DR10.. > > > Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Tue Mar 5 00:14:53 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:14:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 Message-ID: Mr Sank suggested that I pop the cover off and tighten down any and all circuit board mounting screws I could find. As I suspected the output board I did that first...and it worked! Of course being lazy I didn't bother with any others...and that screwdriver was soooo heavy! KenB "Ben Li" link.net> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 owner-naktalk @naks.com 03/04/02 03:31 PM Please respond to naktalk Hi I did not see the original post regarding how to fix the hum. Can any one fill me in on how to do it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > > I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it > for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing > stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in > to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the > humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to > fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. > > The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible > when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source > and tape. > > Other than that I'm very pleased with it. > > Ken > > > > Bruno Vasil > > aone.net> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 03/02/02 > 12:48 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , > whether it > was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less > than 20 > hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and > a new DR10.. > > > Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Tue Mar 5 00:42:12 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:42:12 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 References: Message-ID: <001801c1c3d6$35b11560$ee02010a@titusint.com> Thanks for the quick reply ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > > Mr Sank suggested that I pop the cover off and tighten down any and all > circuit board mounting screws I could find. As I suspected the output > board I did that first...and it worked! Of course being lazy I didn't > bother with any others...and that screwdriver was soooo heavy! > > KenB > > > > "Ben Li" > > link.net> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 03/04/02 > 03:31 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > > Hi I did not see the original post regarding how to fix the hum. Can any > one > fill me in on how to do it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Bentley" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 1:52 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > > > > > > I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it > > for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing > > stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in > > to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the > > humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to > > fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. > > > > The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible > > when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source > > and tape. > > > > Other than that I'm very pleased with it. > > > > Ken > > > > > > > > Bruno Vasil > > > > aone.net> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi > Deck 1 > > owner-naktalk > > @naks.com > > > > > > 03/02/02 > > 12:48 PM > > Please > > respond to > > naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. > , > > whether it > > was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less > > than 20 > > hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) > and > > a new DR10.. > > > > > > Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Mar 5 00:46:35 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:46:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette References: <003601c1bf53$e9790da0$0b9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00db01c1c3d6$d26c11c0$888ee2c3@a9u3z8> Certainly horses for courses. I have a Pioneer D-500 DAT which is used almost exclusively for taping classical music radio broadcasts where the long uninterrupted playing time is a tremendous boon. Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 5:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] DAT versus cassette > Forgive me butting in on this question, DAT versus cassette. As a budding > DAT-head AND cassette freak, I tend to feel it's case of horse for courses > as it is also a case of which apples and pears one is comparing! Just as > some cassettes sound good and others .... do not ... the same is true (to my > ear) of DATs. Having obtained a Sony PCM2500, the model that Stephen has > previously said is such a good DAT machine, whilst I have not yet > successfully tweaked it to accept digital signals from my CD player (under > Stephen's guidance, I think I'm almost there!) I have already made some > extremely fine recordings from analogue signals on it. Are they better than > that made on my ZX-9, on a good metal tape? Probably not although it'd also > probably take a blind guy to tell the difference between the two! Indeed, > when I made analogue copies, using the ZX-9, of a couple of DAT masters that > I have, using the PCM as source, I reckon it would be very difficult for > most people to tell the difference between the source and the ZX-9 copy. > But then, that was using a ZX-9 - it would not have been true had I used any > of my other cassette decks. There the difference ends anyway .... listen to > the third generation of copies from DAT to DAT and compare same with > cassette to cassette, and DAT wins! The 3rd generation is (or should be) > identical to the first. Not so analogue copies. Also, a reasonably decent > C90 metal cassette still usually costs less than a 90 minute DAT .... > unless, perhaps, one buys the DDC equivalent, perhaps? Moreover, have you > ever tried finding a DAT machine for the car in the UK? They are as rare as > hens' teeth! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > SBarr12393 at aol.com > Sent: 27 February 2002 04:13 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - Revox B215 Question > > > In a message dated 2/25/2002 7:40:59 AM Central Standard Time, > jmtooley at ce.net writes: > > << Yes, archiving and making tapes for others, DAT 2 DAT also. > > John >> > > Do you prefer DAT over cassette? > > -Sam > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Pickens To: Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 4:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] A pair of td - 700's for sale > Hi All, > > I have two nak td-700 car decks for sale. > Email me off list if you are interested and I will provide you with > whatever details you need. > Thanks, > > Stan P. > jazzisjazz at mindspring.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 5 00:50:20 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 18:50:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <004501c1c32b$073af940$42d60192@vsnl> <3C838217.63C0701B@concentric.net> <013401c1c39f$b50b0820$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C84083C.22D15FE3@concentric.net> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I'll just add to this that the one major point to keep in mind is that the > digital datastream is a radio frequency signal, with 16/44k being a > 4.3218mHz signal, which is why termination impedances are critical. I don't > believe for a second that a dig cable can cause reflection jitter artifacts > from being the "wrong length". There's no logical support for that concept > that I can remotely think of. But the improper termination impedances > caused by, for instance, pcb mount RCA jacks with right angles in the > connecting parts certainly does have a marked effect on reflection-induced > jitter. > Of course, none of this explains why my un-shielded, un-coax, un-75ohm(or > even remotely close) digital cables seem to have lower jitter artifacts than > even the most scientifically perfect 75ohm dig cables I or any of my clients > have compared it to. Nor does it explain why my, or any other cables I've > heard, exhibit better sound after several days of "breaking in", or why my > cable sounds slightly better with 99.999% pure silver than with 99.99% pure > silver. > Have fun batting that one around, Ron. ;-) I wouldn't know where to start... -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:17 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > Kannan, > > > > Your comments are correct for a shielded audio cable. > > However, we are talking about coax cable, used for > > digital signals or video. The question was whether the > > length of such coax cable affects reflections. I think > > it doesn't. However, reflections *will* occur if the > > connectors are not of the correct impedance. Generally, > > RCA connectors do not have constant 75 ohm impedance > > but there are BNC connectors that do. For high > > frequency digital applications and long cables, common > > RCA connectors will not work but 75 ohm BNC connectors > > will. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > > > Ron > > > The termination( or the resistance part) is done on the board - say DA > > > converter box or say Home receiver rather than the cable itself. So if > the > > > connector part - female( of BNC ) is replaced with RCA. and if the > cable > > > itself has very low resistance RCA cable will be no different from BNC > or > > > for that matter any other( so there is nothing like 75 Ohm RCA > connector). > > > We have to worry about good shielding in case of un balanced connection > as > > > well as contact resistance of the male / female connector > > > Kannan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:13 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From this point of view, the shorter the cable, the > > > >better. In home systems, cables are too short to make > > > >any difference. I have no idea why shorter cables will > > > >somehow develop standing waves. > > > > > > > >Of course, this depends on the correct impedance > > > >matching stipulated above. Most people do not realize > > > >that RCA connectors do not have a constant impedance > > > >and aren't even close to 75 ohms (they're more like > > > >100 to 150 ohms). In fact, the only good thing about > > > >RCA connectors is their low cost. (Some manufacturers > > > >do claim a 75 ohm impedance for their RCA connectors > > > >-- Cardas and Philmore come to mind). As a result, > > > >most cables deviate from the ideal and do exhibit > > > >standing waves. Luckily, at the low frequencies involved > > > >this is not critical. At higher frequencies (say, cable > > > >TV) RCA connectors won't work and F connectors are the > > > >rule. For exacting applications, correct BNC connectors > > > >are better. > > > > > > > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 5 02:11:50 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:11:50 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 References: Message-ID: <001a01c1c3e2$cd9e1880$56289bca@smarzuki> Ken, on that 'minute loss of sharpness', have you tried tweaking the pb azimuth trim while comparing tape and source ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bentley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source and tape. Other than that I'm very pleased with it. Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 5 02:21:26 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 08:21:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <004501c1c32b$073af940$42d60192@vsnl> <3C838217.63C0701B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001f01c1c3e4$1308fb00$56289bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Please forgive the stupid question (still a bit lost on connectors' impedance), how does one measure if its 75 ohm or not ? i made a simple short coax for digital myself cable since off the shelves coax cables cost as much as optical ones, but this 'reflection' thing got me worried :-). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection Kannan, Your comments are correct for a shielded audio cable. However, we are talking about coax cable, used for digital signals or video. The question was whether the length of such coax cable affects reflections. I think it doesn't. However, reflections *will* occur if the connectors are not of the correct impedance. Generally, RCA connectors do not have constant 75 ohm impedance but there are BNC connectors that do. For high frequency digital applications and long cables, common RCA connectors will not work but 75 ohm BNC connectors will. -- Ron "Kannan. S" wrote: > > Ron > The termination( or the resistance part) is done on the board - say DA > converter box or say Home receiver rather than the cable itself. So if the > connector part - female( of BNC ) is replaced with RCA. and if the cable > itself has very low resistance RCA cable will be no different from BNC or > for that matter any other( so there is nothing like 75 Ohm RCA connector). > We have to worry about good shielding in case of un balanced connection as > well as contact resistance of the male / female connector > Kannan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 5 03:52:06 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 21:52:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <004501c1c32b$073af940$42d60192@vsnl> <3C838217.63C0701B@concentric.net> <001f01c1c3e4$1308fb00$56289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C8432D6.34C52468@concentric.net> To measure characteristic impedance, you need an impedance meter. Such measurements are done by connector design engineers, usually behind closed doors, in semi darkened rooms. All others rely on the spec of the specific connector. To be honest, I have never measured characteristic impedance and as yet haven't felt the urge... As I have already said (actually, wrote): for the short cables and low frequency encountered in a home CD, this is not critical. Common RCA phono connectors work just fine in millions of homes. IOW, not to worry: in all probability, your DIY cable is just as good as commercial digital cables. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Ron, > > Please forgive the stupid question (still a bit lost on connectors' > impedance), how does one measure if its 75 ohm or not ? i made a simple > short coax for digital myself cable since off the shelves coax cables cost > as much as optical ones, but this 'reflection' thing got me worried :-). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > Kannan, > > Your comments are correct for a shielded audio cable. > However, we are talking about coax cable, used for > digital signals or video. The question was whether the > length of such coax cable affects reflections. I think > it doesn't. However, reflections *will* occur if the > connectors are not of the correct impedance. Generally, > RCA connectors do not have constant 75 ohm impedance > but there are BNC connectors that do. For high > frequency digital applications and long cables, common > RCA connectors will not work but 75 ohm BNC connectors > will. > > -- Ron > > "Kannan. S" wrote: > > > > Ron > > The termination( or the resistance part) is done on the board - say DA > > converter box or say Home receiver rather than the cable itself. So if the > > connector part - female( of BNC ) is replaced with RCA. and if the cable > > itself has very low resistance RCA cable will be no different from BNC or > > for that matter any other( so there is nothing like 75 Ohm RCA connector). > > We have to worry about good shielding in case of un balanced connection > as > > well as contact resistance of the male / female connector > > Kannan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 5 04:11:22 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:41:22 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection Message-ID: <002701c1c3f3$6dbc22c0$42d60192@vsnl> I feel this Cheracteristic Impedance is the result of connector Inductance / and or Capacitance due to the Insulating material between the two conductors and geometry of connectors - may have to be measured applying Mhz frequency sine / square wave ????( may be esoteric test procedure - to conduct it under dark rooms) PCB tracks and layers( the way they are laid or the insulating material like Phenolic/ Teflon etc) have to be blamed for non performing Very High frequency application due to such things as capacitance between tracks etc the connectors have impedances affecting their performance. Infact Pentium combatible mother boards had initially problems clocking full frequency due to such effects! Like Analog sound can vary depending on catridge / cable / magnetic heads - even Digital sound should be varying from player to player. No wonder there are many manufacturers seem to thrive on selling their products as more natural or more analog soundingl!!! Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > >To measure characteristic impedance, you need an >impedance meter. Such measurements are done by >connector design engineers, usually behind closed >doors, in semi darkened rooms. All others rely on >the spec of the specific connector. To be honest, >I have never measured characteristic impedance and >as yet haven't felt the urge... > >As I have already said (actually, wrote): for the >short cables and low frequency encountered in a >home CD, this is not critical. Common RCA phono >connectors work just fine in millions of homes. >IOW, not to worry: in all probability, your DIY >cable is just as good as commercial digital cables. > >-- Ron > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: >> >> Hi Ron, >> >> Please forgive the stupid question (still a bit lost on connectors' >> impedance), how does one measure if its 75 ohm or not ? i made a simple >> short coax for digital myself cable since off the shelves coax cables cost >> as much as optical ones, but this 'reflection' thing got me worried :-). >> >> Best regards, >> Salim SM >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 5 04:15:02 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:45:02 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 Message-ID: <003b01c1c3f3$f0b8d9c0$42d60192@vsnl> If the slight audible loss of sharpness using Good Chrome or Metal tapes require attention to Bias and level calibration - if bias fine tune does not correct it ( of course Azimuth - play head is another cause to be checkrd first as Salim indicated) Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bentley To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > >I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it >for $500 i was able to >fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. > >The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible >when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source >and tape. > >Other than that I'm very pleased with it. > >Ken > > > > Bruno Vasil > > aone.net> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 03/02/02 > 12:48 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > >Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , >whether it >was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less >than 20 >hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and >a new DR10.. > > >Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 5 05:42:16 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:42:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection Message-ID: <6daa7724ed.724ed6daa7@indosat.net.id> Thanks much Scott and Ron for the info ! Very interesting indeed for a techno-weako like me (which still oscilloscope-less =). Never knew that darkroom equipment also exist on audio world. I think i'll pass on the opportunity to measure the cable and take Ron's word that such small scale distortion would be inaudible for average ht system. Again, thanks for the explanation. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2002 9:52 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > To measure characteristic impedance, you need an > impedance meter. Such measurements are done by > connector design engineers, usually behind closed > doors, in semi darkened rooms. All others rely on > the spec of the specific connector. To be honest, > I have never measured characteristic impedance and > as yet haven't felt the urge... > > As I have already said (actually, wrote): for the > short cables and low frequency encountered in a > home CD, this is not critical. Common RCA phono > connectors work just fine in millions of homes. > IOW, not to worry: in all probability, your DIY > cable is just as good as commercial digital cables. > > -- Ron > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, > > > > Please forgive the stupid question (still a bit lost on connectors' > > impedance), how does one measure if its 75 ohm or not ? i made > a simple > > short coax for digital myself cable since off the shelves coax > cables cost > > as much as optical ones, but this 'reflection' thing got me > worried :-). > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 5 06:57:49 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 07:57:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommended replacement capstan motor? Message-ID: I have had a Cassette Deck One since November 2000 and it has served me superbly. I find nothing lacking whatsoever in the perfomance of this deck and am very fond of the manual adjust azimuth control. This makes it, theoretically, the most acccurate playback deck that I have. There is nothing lacking, even at the highest treble frequencies, with information of low amplitude coming through, including the sense of space at that end of the spectrum. Any tape replects this, while I tend not to use anything less than XL-II(or equivalent) on either this or the 682ZX. However, should the capstan motor snuff it, which/what motor replacement would be the right one to replace the Matsushita motor. One locaql tech said "any motor with a speed control". Surely this is wrong!! Any advice?? And brearing in mind, that we don't have derelict Nakamichis lying around here for parts salvage. I'm going to try to stock up on spares now for all my machines. Cheers, Marc >>> kbentley at bnflinc.com 03/04/02 11:52PM >>> I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source and tape. Other than that I'm very pleased with it. Ken Bruno Vasil aone.net> cc: Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 owner-naktalk @naks.com 03/02/02 12:48 PM Please respond to naktalk Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , whether it was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less than 20 hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and a new DR10.. Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <028001c1c40f$51972ce0$123442cf@sank1> It's worth checking a CassetteDeck1/2/3 for the earlier/later(i.e., that used before & after the model series) Nak-labeled Sankyo motor, since so many of the cheap motors(which have about the same dimensions as the reel motor, rather than at least 1/2" deeper) failed within the warranty period that many will already have the good motor installed. Less than a year after the models were intro'd, it became official warranty procedure to install the good BX/CR series Sankyo motor, and I personally always used the good motor, even before Nak would pay me for it, as I knew a crap motor when I saw one! The Sankyo/Nak motors are pretty indestructible, for the most part, so one can scavenge from otherwise-trashed BX-1/2/100/125/150 or CR-1/2 decks(CR-3 also, but who scraps a CR-3?), which ain't hard to come by. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? > I have had a Cassette Deck One since November 2000 and it has served me superbly. I find nothing lacking whatsoever in the perfomance of this deck and am very fond of the manual adjust azimuth control. This makes it, theoretically, the most acccurate playback deck that I have. There is nothing lacking, even at the highest treble frequencies, with information of low amplitude coming through, including the sense of space at that end of the spectrum. Any tape replects this, while I tend not to use anything less than XL-II(or equivalent) on either this or the 682ZX. > > However, should the capstan motor snuff it, which/what motor replacement would be the right one to replace the Matsushita motor. One locaql tech said "any motor with a speed control". Surely this is wrong!! Any advice?? And brearing in mind, that we don't have derelict Nakamichis lying around here for parts salvage. I'm going to try to stock up on spares now for all my machines. > > Cheers, > > Marc > >>> kbentley at bnflinc.com 03/04/02 11:52PM >>> > > I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it > for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing > stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in > to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the > humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to > fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. > > The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible > when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source > and tape. > > Other than that I'm very pleased with it. > > Ken > > > > Bruno Vasil > > aone.net> cc: > Sent by: Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 03/02/02 > 12:48 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > > Can anyone tell me the experience they have had with the Nak Deck 1, i.e. , > whether it > was good or bad and what would the value of it be? It probably has less > than 20 > hour on it. It looks pristine.......I have an LX-3 (for about 16 years) and > a new DR10.. > > > Bruno ( Arlington,Mass. ) > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 5 08:11:45 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:11:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Message-ID: Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue on Cass Deck One. No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle accelerator. I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. Cheers all, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 5 08:53:34 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:53:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? Message-ID: <7d7ad7caf4.7caf47d7ad@indosat.net.id> Not really off topic here ... Stephen, what would be a good replacement for older mechanism' reel motor ? Can i put newer (smaller) BX motor instead ? (older capstan motor is easier to find). My 482 reel is sluggish, stops at the slightest push. BTW Marc, as suggested by Stephen, I used a 'generic' sankyo motor for CD-1 quite satisfactory. Best regards Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2002 1:30 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? > It's worth checking a CassetteDeck1/2/3 for the > earlier/later(i.e., that > used before & after the model series) Nak-labeled Sankyo motor, > since so > many of the cheap motors(which have about the same dimensions as > the reel > motor, rather than at least 1/2" deeper) failed within the > warranty period > that many will already have the good motor installed. Less than a > yearafter the models were intro'd, it became official warranty > procedure to > install the good BX/CR series Sankyo motor, and I personally > always used the > good motor, even before Nak would pay me for it, as I knew a crap > motor when > I saw one! > The Sankyo/Nak motors are pretty indestructible, for the most > part, so one > can scavenge from otherwise-trashed BX-1/2/100/125/150 or CR-1/2 > decks(CR-3 > also, but who scraps a CR-3?), which ain't hard to come by. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 5 09:02:36 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:02:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Message-ID: <796b07f050.7f050796b0@indosat.net.id> Hi Marc, i persuaded a friend to buy a 480 once and we're extremely happy for its playback performance. It's the difficulty in setting correct bias for recording that prohibited us to get good response. Two head deck with dual capstan and padlifter ! Can't think of no other 2 head deck built as serious as 480 (or older 2 head naks). That was my friends' first deck and now he's a happy owner of cr5 & 3 ... and i have real problem with my 'target market'. :-) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2002 2:11 pm Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) > Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, > the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable > fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor > issue on Cass Deck One. > > No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle > accelerator. > I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the > 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding > where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a > Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. > > Cheers all, > > Marc > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 5 09:04:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:04:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c1c41c$609217c0$d4e8193e@a4s1s2> Wish I had adjustable PB azimuth on my ZX-9 - I could probably get rid of the Pioneer CTS830S that I keep for playback of old tapes. I gather the ZX9 can be converted - Jeff Galin had some with that feature fitted. (Ex-Nak recording studios, I think.) But he was then selling them for about $1200, abut twice what I paid for mine, which would seem a little dear from my perspective i.e. just to get adjustable PB azimuth! (You still got any of 'em left, Jeff?) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 05 March 2002 05:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? I have had a Cassette Deck One since November 2000 and it has served me superbly. I find nothing lacking whatsoever in the perfomance of this deck and am very fond of the manual adjust azimuth control. This makes it, theoretically, the most acccurate playback deck that I have. There is nothing lacking, even at the highest treble frequencies, with information of low amplitude coming through, including the sense of space at that end of the spectrum. Any tape replects this, while I tend not to use anything less than XL-II(or equivalent) on either this or the 682ZX. However, should the capstan motor snuff it, which/what motor replacement would be the right one to replace the Matsushita motor. One locaql tech said "any motor with a speed control". Surely this is wrong!! Any advice?? And brearing in mind, that we don't have derelict Nakamichis lying around here for parts salvage. I'm going to try to stock up on spares now for all my machines. Cheers, --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Tue Mar 5 09:25:15 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 03:25:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? Message-ID: <4F4EB475.29BDD0F2.032C04E1@netscape.net> Graham, Buy CR-7 and forget Pioneer (it is not worth keeping!). You can find one in good shape for less than $1200 for sure. That is what I did. This sweet pair (ZX-9 & CR-7) is the greatest Nak combo to be desired. Plus I also like my 700TriTracer that delivers the old classic sound - something really missed these days. With best wishes, Nick. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Just don't expect to install gear drive on a real Nak transport. ;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? > > Not really off topic here ... Stephen, what would be a good replacement > for older mechanism' reel motor ? Can i put newer (smaller) BX motor > instead ? (older capstan motor is easier to find). My 482 reel is > sluggish, stops at the slightest push. > > BTW Marc, as suggested by Stephen, I used a 'generic' sankyo motor for > CD-1 quite satisfactory. > > Best regards > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Tuesday, March 5, 2002 1:30 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What > recommendedreplacement capstan motor? > > > It's worth checking a CassetteDeck1/2/3 for the > > earlier/later(i.e., that > > used before & after the model series) Nak-labeled Sankyo motor, > > since so > > many of the cheap motors(which have about the same dimensions as > > the reel > > motor, rather than at least 1/2" deeper) failed within the > > warranty period > > that many will already have the good motor installed. Less than a > > yearafter the models were intro'd, it became official warranty > > procedure to > > install the good BX/CR series Sankyo motor, and I personally > > always used the > > good motor, even before Nak would pay me for it, as I knew a crap > > motor when > > I saw one! > > The Sankyo/Nak motors are pretty indestructible, for the most > > part, so one > > can scavenge from otherwise-trashed BX-1/2/100/125/150 or CR-1/2 > > decks(CR-3 > > also, but who scraps a CR-3?), which ain't hard to come by. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 5 14:08:37 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 20:08:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? References: <4F4EB475.29BDD0F2.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <000401c1c446$dd7260e0$8b1a9bca@smarzuki> Nick, sorry to disagree here , my suggestion is to buy the dragon .... i'm sure Graham can find another buy-it-now for US$500 :-) But seriously, nothing beats dragon for playing back different tapes (probably costs less than cr7 too). Um, consider the deck as a gift from us all, Graham. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? Graham, Buy CR-7 and forget Pioneer (it is not worth keeping!). You can find one in good shape for less than $1200 for sure. That is what I did. This sweet pair (ZX-9 & CR-7) is the greatest Nak combo to be desired. Plus I also like my 700TriTracer that delivers the old classic sound - something really missed these days. With best wishes, Nick. -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Tue Mar 5 14:03:41 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:03:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] on 480 series In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C847BDD.3102.262197@localhost> Mark- I believe the 480 series was the first to use that particular transport which is so well regarded. They lack the electrical sophistication of some of the later models (front panel bias and level adjust and so on) but work very well indeed when used with tapes for which they are calibrated. I've owned a 480 and 481 and been happy with both, my sister bought a 480 on my recommendation in 1982 and is still happy with it. And I still prefer the peak reading analog meters over most digital meters. Regards, Tim On 5 Mar 2002 at 9:11, Mark Hugo wrote: Date sent: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:11:45 +0200 From: "Mark Hugo" To: Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the > reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable > fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue > on Cass Deck One. > > No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle > accelerator. > > I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 > family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it > appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. > A truly sparkling performer. > > Cheers all, > > Marc > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. 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Of course i would do it the other way around ... putting real Nak idler on bx mechanism. =) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? I've not yet had to try that, but I expect it would actually work fine. I doubt there is much difference in operating voltage & winding resistance between the two motors. Just don't expect to install gear drive on a real Nak transport. ;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 5 15:18:34 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:18:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <002701c1c3f3$6dbc22c0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3C84D3BA.DF5131D5@concentric.net> "Kannan. S" wrote: > > I feel this Cheracteristic Impedance is the result of connector Inductance / > and or Capacitance due to the Insulating material between the two conductors > and geometry of connectors - may have to be measured applying Mhz frequency > sine / square wave ????( may be esoteric test procedure - to conduct it > under dark rooms) > PCB tracks and layers( the way they are laid or the insulating material like > Phenolic/ Teflon etc) have to be blamed for non performing Very High > frequency application due to such things as capacitance between tracks etc > the connectors have impedances affecting their performance. Infact Pentium > combatible mother boards had initially problems clocking full frequency due > to such effects! Agreed to all of the above. But: > Like Analog sound can vary depending on catridge / cable / magnetic heads - > even Digital sound should be varying from player to player. Not in digital sections. The whole reason for going digital is that the data is represented by numerical values, NOT by characteristics of the signal. For example, in CMOS levels, the value '1' is represented by any voltage whatsoever between 3.5V to 5V. A huge amount of noise (that would completely devastate an analog signal), would make zero difference to a digital signal. The same is true for distortion and poor frequency response. IOW, when digital values of the signal are preserved, output data is identical (absolutely, *mathematically* identical) to the input. This can never be claimed for analog circuits, where the signal is *always* (however minutely) degraded. > No wonder there > are many manufacturers seem to thrive on selling their products as more > natural or more analog soundingl!!! Digital circuitry is far more complex than analog -- to the point where digital audio would be impossible without complex ICs that contains tens of thousands transistors. It is far easier to design digital circuits poorly; especially the DACs, that combine the two technologies. I disagree that digital processing *inherently* makes the sound less natural, even though this is true for so many products. Just like SS circuitry is *inherently* better than tubes (even though many SS products sound inferiour to tubes), so is digital audio *inherently* better, even though specific products may not be. -- Ron > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > > > > >To measure characteristic impedance, you need an > >impedance meter. Such measurements are done by > >connector design engineers, usually behind closed > >doors, in semi darkened rooms. All others rely on > >the spec of the specific connector. To be honest, > >I have never measured characteristic impedance and > >as yet haven't felt the urge... > > > >As I have already said (actually, wrote): for the > >short cables and low frequency encountered in a > >home CD, this is not critical. Common RCA phono > >connectors work just fine in millions of homes. > >IOW, not to worry: in all probability, your DIY > >cable is just as good as commercial digital cables. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > >> > >> Hi Ron, > >> > >> Please forgive the stupid question (still a bit lost on connectors' > >> impedance), how does one measure if its 75 ohm or not ? i made a simple > >> short coax for digital myself cable since off the shelves coax cables > cost > >> as much as optical ones, but this 'reflection' thing got me worried :-). > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Salim SM > >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Tue Mar 5 15:57:30 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:57:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Message-ID: Graham just to put that straight, the cd 10 is my personal favourite not the cd 16! jim -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: 05 March 2002 09:33 To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Graham Just spotted this on UK ebay: Marantz CD10 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337271789 Ever so rare to see these come up and ALOT better than a CD16 (one of my personal faves). Jim -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 03 March 2002 11:11 To: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Thanks Jim I'm familiar with the CD10 and CD17. Much preferred the CD10, as did the owner of them both eventually - he sold on the CD17. Although I understand the KI version is a great improvement. My query arose because there arose one at a reasonable price on German e-Bay. Always one for a bargain price, if I can, I was wondering if I should risk a bid/win! However the price isn't so good that selling on if I didn't like it would be an easy option! Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 03 March 2002 08:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Poor CDM12 transport (cheaper and easier to replace than a turntable cartridge) with otherwise good build. Sound not as good as the earlier CD10 (CDM4) or the later CD17/CD17KI (CDM12). Not a bad player but the one I heard was a little 'soulless' and processed. Should make a good transport. jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 02 March 2002 21:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Anyone know anything about this model, good, bad or indifferent? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Mar 5 18:04:38 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:04:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] on 480 series Message-ID: Hi Tim, Thanks for responding on the 480 family. I must say, I enjoy VU meters as well and am well used to them on the Tascam. The Z models have the fine bias control on the front panel just above the headphone socket though which is, tuning wise the main improvement over the non-Z models, to me anyway. No level calibration though. How is your head wear after all these years. On the deck, that is!! Cheers, Marc >>> timbarrett at cox.rr.com 03/05/02 03:03PM >>> Mark- I believe the 480 series was the first to use that particular transport which is so well regarded. They lack the electrical sophistication of some of the later models (front panel bias and level adjust and so on) but work very well indeed when used with tapes for which they are calibrated. I've owned a 480 and 481 and been happy with both, my sister bought a 480 on my recommendation in 1982 and is still happy with it. And I still prefer the peak reading analog meters over most digital meters. Regards, Tim On 5 Mar 2002 at 9:11, Mark Hugo wrote: Date sent: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:11:45 +0200 From: "Mark Hugo" To: Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the > reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable > fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue > on Cass Deck One. > > No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle > accelerator. > > I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 > family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it > appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. > A truly sparkling performer. > > Cheers all, > > Marc > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: 05 March 2002 08:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? Graham, Buy CR-7 and forget Pioneer (it is not worth keeping!). You can find one in good shape for less than $1200 for sure. That is what I did. This sweet pair (ZX-9 & CR-7) is the greatest Nak combo to be desired. Plus I also like my 700TriTracer that delivers the old classic sound - something really missed these days. With best wishes, Nick. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 5 20:14:35 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:14:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: Whatrecommendedreplacement capstan motor? In-Reply-To: <000401c1c446$dd7260e0$8b1a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000a01c1c479$fd0d9fe0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! (dribble ..... slurp! pant pant pant ...) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 05 March 2002 01:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: Whatrecommendedreplacement capstan motor? Nick, sorry to disagree here , my suggestion is to buy the dragon .... i'm sure Graham can find another buy-it-now for US$500 :-) But seriously, nothing beats dragon for playing back different tapes (probably costs less than cr7 too). Um, consider the deck as a gift from us all, Graham. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: What recommendedreplacement capstan motor? Graham, Buy CR-7 and forget Pioneer (it is not worth keeping!). You can find one in good shape for less than $1200 for sure. That is what I did. This sweet pair (ZX-9 & CR-7) is the greatest Nak combo to be desired. Plus I also like my 700TriTracer that delivers the old classic sound - something really missed these days. With best wishes, Nick. -- ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 5 20:19:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:19:07 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection In-Reply-To: <3C84D3BA.DF5131D5@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000b01c1c47a$9ec74c00$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Ron Why is it that coax cables, used for digital signals, are prone to RF problems? If I am playing from tuner, TT or tape deck, RF produced by my central heating boiler causes no problems at all but when the CD/DAC combo are in song, each time the boiler switches in the RF causes a significant "crack" of interference. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 5 20:26:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:26:42 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000d01c1c47b$ae1de1e0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Jim Have to say I've only heard the CD10 (and CD17) through a modest Creek amp but the CD10 seemed to me to be slightly less detailed but much more full bodied in terms of tonal variety and significantly easier on the ear. I felt I could listen to my friend's CD10 all day without it bothering me; but I sensed a certain shrillness in the CD17 that was wearing on my ears even on a single CD play. However, that might have been as much a consequence of the cable he used and the amp, I suppose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 05 March 2002 02:58 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Graham just to put that straight, the cd 10 is my personal favourite not the cd 16! jim -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: 05 March 2002 09:33 To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Graham Just spotted this on UK ebay: Marantz CD10 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337271789 Ever so rare to see these come up and ALOT better than a CD16 (one of my personal faves). Jim -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 03 March 2002 11:11 To: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Thanks Jim I'm familiar with the CD10 and CD17. Much preferred the CD10, as did the owner of them both eventually - he sold on the CD17. Although I understand the KI version is a great improvement. My query arose because there arose one at a reasonable price on German e-Bay. Always one for a bargain price, if I can, I was wondering if I should risk a bid/win! However the price isn't so good that selling on if I didn't like it would be an easy option! Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 03 March 2002 08:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Poor CDM12 transport (cheaper and easier to replace than a turntable cartridge) with otherwise good build. Sound not as good as the earlier CD10 (CDM4) or the later CD17/CD17KI (CDM12). Not a bad player but the one I heard was a little 'soulless' and processed. Should make a good transport. jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 02 March 2002 21:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Anyone know anything about this model, good, bad or indifferent? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Mar 5 20:46:04 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 19:46:04 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] TD 700 Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Thanks for your advice regarding my TD-700. Went through it again and clenaed up all the glue and reapired a broken circuit link (by the way, how do you repair this the proper way?). Now the deck powers up and the capstan motoe turns! Progress at last! But noticed another problem, that the tape loading mechanism is not functioning properly. I think it's because the plastic bit that attaches to the tray is broken (will try to do a photo later) and in my haste to disassemble it now realise I can't reassemble it properly! Please help! Perhaps if I show you the picture? Will try to do upload it later. Thanks. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Mar 5 22:56:08 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 16:56:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection References: <000b01c1c47a$9ec74c00$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C853EF8.F68CB4CA@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron > > Why is it that coax cables, used for digital signals, are prone to RF > problems? They are not. Assuming you particular cable is not bad. > If I am playing from tuner, TT or tape deck, RF produced by my > central heating boiler causes no problems at all but when the CD/DAC combo > are in song, each time the boiler switches in the RF causes a significant > "crack" of interference. First, why are you assuming the interference is RF related? It could be (more likely, actually) a line power glitch. Heating boilers, on the whole, do not produce RFI. Second, even if it *is* RFI, why assume it's the coax cable? Your CD player and/or DAC could be susceptible. To verify, try replacing the cable with a known good one. Or, since my first suspect is the power line, I would try to plug the transport and DAC into a different circuit than the boiler (or, better still, use a borrowed line conditioner). If this solves the problem, you have your answer. If not, you're right where you started, but at least you know what will not solve the problem. Happy listening, -- Ron > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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This time I took out two transistors (Q405 & Q406) that drive the cam motor. Later I replaced the transistors that controlled the reel motor and cam motor (FF & REW works) but now no play due to sleepy cam motor circuit. I checked out the cam motor by connecting it to a variable DC supply using low current (below 1 amp), and even on the extreme low voltages the motor came to life and as smooth as silk. Me thinks there are other components associated with the cam motor that are dead. I had a 482Z at the time to compa! re circuits, voltages, components etc, and it seems that there is not enough current being delivered to the cam motor (voltages good, plus and minus 12 volt on the cam motor). The voltages going into and out of the two transistors (Q405 & Q406) are correct, but I have no idea why it still refuses to work. I miss using the 480 because I LOVE those analogue meters, and for a two head deck I was blown away by the quality. I will not part with it even that it does not work at the moment, however, I will fix it or better still ask all of you what to look for (component wise) to replace. My experience in fault finding is limited - Damn I wish I knew more! Has anyone had a similar experience. Stephen, if you are reading this what would you do to tackle this problem? I think that I have said enough about my 480, Marc you have probably regretted asking the question for I have blabbed on long enough. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 6:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue on Cass Deck One. No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle accelerator. I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. Cheers all, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 5 23:50:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:50:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection In-Reply-To: <3C853EF8.F68CB4CA@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001501c1c498$1ee9dac0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Ron > Why is it that coax cables, used for digital signals, are prone to RF > problems? They are not. Assuming you particular cable is not bad. > If I am playing from tuner, TT or tape deck, RF produced by my > central heating boiler causes no problems at all but when the CD/DAC combo > are in song, each time the boiler switches in the RF causes a significant > "crack" of interference. First, why are you assuming the interference is RF related? It could be (more likely, actually) a line power glitch. Heating boilers, on the whole, do not produce RFI. I've assumed it because I have been told by a number of "experts", (I mean more than I can count on two hands and one foot!) including an engineer who was looking for some other "noise" problem that I had with the mains supply at one time (an audible hum that was coming through the hi fi and every damned radio in the house, that was worse at different times of the day ... never found the cause but it went away eventually without me doing a thing ...) Everyone who is supposed to know about these things has told me that the click I hear is an RF signal that comes from the boiler switch engaging, as I get the same thing when, say, the washing machine switch is engaged or a light switch turned on or off. They have all told me that most interconnect cables can act like an aerial, recommending those anti-RF collars around the cables most susceptible, that being, I was told, coax cables. The only cure for this, I have been repeatedly told, is to fit a suppresser across the central heating switch. Are you telling me this is all some hi fi myth? (Am I the only one who's been told this?!) Second, even if it *is* RFI, why assume it's the coax cable? Your CD player and/or DAC could be susceptible. If it were one of them it would be the DAC, not the CD player - never had this problem with the CD player on its own. the DAC, however, is a QED Digit which, anyone who's seen 'em will know, is a small electronic marvel (for the money) built in a dirt cheap and flimsy plastic box - i.e. no copper shielding. To verify, try replacing the cable with a known good one. Or, since my first suspect is the power line, I would try to plug the transport and DAC into a different circuit than the boiler (or, better still, use a borrowed line conditioner). If this solves the problem, you have your answer. If not, you're right where you started, but at least you know what will not solve the problem. Difficult ... all the sockets in that area are on the same ring main. Happy listening, I will except for those damned clicks! ;oD I'll have to get that suppresser fitted ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 5 23:58:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:58:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D2F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001a01c1c499$4d15cfc0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Tom I don't know how to solve your problem but if you need any help popping more transistors, I'm your man! Having decried myself, I just fixed a pair of the speakers I blew up the other week. A scary bit of coincidence had me find the very same model of 20-30 year old tweeters that I blew being auctioned on the UK Loot site. I won 'em, they were delivered just before I left for work this morning, and I just fitted them ... and they WORK! You engineers may laugh and sneer but that is a major achievement for this soldering iron greenhorn! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 05 March 2002 10:29 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Hi Marc, I own a 480 as well, but last year I did something to it that was really dumb! I was adjusting capstan speed when my screwdriver slipped and shorted the plus and minus on the reel motor - suddenly POP! I took out a transistor that was in the circuit for that particular motor. To make matters worse, when I was tracing the circuit to find the dead components (not knowing that it was only one transistor at the time) my probe of the multimeter slipped and again POP! This time I took out two transistors (Q405 & Q406) that drive the cam motor. Later I replaced the transistors that controlled the reel motor and cam motor (FF & REW works) but now no play due to sleepy cam motor circuit. I checked out the cam motor by connecting it to a variable DC supply using low current (below 1 amp), and even on the extreme low voltages the motor came to life and as smooth as silk. Me thinks there are other components associated with the cam motor that are dead. I had a 482Z at the time to compa! re circuits, voltages, components etc, and it seems that there is not enough current being delivered to the cam motor (voltages good, plus and minus 12 volt on the cam motor). The voltages going into and out of the two transistors (Q405 & Q406) are correct, but I have no idea why it still refuses to work. I miss using the 480 because I LOVE those analogue meters, and for a two head deck I was blown away by the quality. I will not part with it even that it does not work at the moment, however, I will fix it or better still ask all of you what to look for (component wise) to replace. My experience in fault finding is limited - Damn I wish I knew more! Has anyone had a similar experience. Stephen, if you are reading this what would you do to tackle this problem? I think that I have said enough about my 480, Marc you have probably regretted asking the question for I have blabbed on long enough. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 6:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue on Cass Deck One. No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle accelerator. I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. Cheers all, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 6 00:29:55 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:29:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A Message-ID: <000801c1c49d$a931d750$6a021fac@brianm> A listing I came across: Discrete head cassette deck. I am the original owner. I've switched to burning CD's and no longer need this piece. My price reflects the fact that there is a slight mechanical noise when the cassette is turning. It's done that for several years and doesn't seem to affect the performance. $475obo http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1020549133&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 6 00:26:12 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:26:12 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 48 0Z Head type) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D31@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Graham, Thanks for the offer I'll keep you in mind :) Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2002 9:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Tom I don't know how to solve your problem but if you need any help popping more transistors, I'm your man! Having decried myself, I just fixed a pair of the speakers I blew up the other week. A scary bit of coincidence had me find the very same model of 20-30 year old tweeters that I blew being auctioned on the UK Loot site. I won 'em, they were delivered just before I left for work this morning, and I just fitted them ... and they WORK! You engineers may laugh and sneer but that is a major achievement for this soldering iron greenhorn! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 05 March 2002 10:29 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Hi Marc, I own a 480 as well, but last year I did something to it that was really dumb! I was adjusting capstan speed when my screwdriver slipped and shorted the plus and minus on the reel motor - suddenly POP! I took out a transistor that was in the circuit for that particular motor. To make matters worse, when I was tracing the circuit to find the dead components (not knowing that it was only one transistor at the time) my probe of the multimeter slipped and again POP! This time I took out two transistors (Q405 & Q406) that drive the cam motor. Later I replaced the transistors that controlled the reel motor and cam motor (FF & REW works) but now no play due to sleepy cam motor circuit. I checked out the cam motor by connecting it to a variable DC supply using low current (below 1 amp), and even on the extreme low voltages the motor came to life and as smooth as silk. Me thinks there are other components associated with the cam motor that are dead. I had a 482Z at the time to compa! re circuits, voltages, components etc, and it seems that there is not enough current being delivered to the cam motor (voltages good, plus and minus 12 volt on the cam motor). The voltages going into and out of the two transistors (Q405 & Q406) are correct, but I have no idea why it still refuses to work. I miss using the 480 because I LOVE those analogue meters, and for a two head deck I was blown away by the quality. I will not part with it even that it does not work at the moment, however, I will fix it or better still ask all of you what to look for (component wise) to replace. My experience in fault finding is limited - Damn I wish I knew more! Has anyone had a similar experience. Stephen, if you are reading this what would you do to tackle this problem? I think that I have said enough about my 480, Marc you have probably regretted asking the question for I have blabbed on long enough. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 6:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue on Cass Deck One. No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle accelerator. I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. Cheers all, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Mar 6 00:35:51 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:35:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A Message-ID: <20020305.183551.-518551.4.josephj69@juno.com> Talk about coincidences! On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:29:55 -0500 "Brian Miller" writes: A listing I came across: Discrete head cassette deck. I am the original owner. I've switched to burning CD's and no longer need this piece. My price reflects the fact that there is a slight mechanical noise when the cassette is turning. It's done that for several years and doesn't seem to affect the performance. $475obo http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1020549133&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 6 00:46:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:46:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A In-Reply-To: <20020305.183551.-518551.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <002301c1c4a0$06dad260$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Synchronicity ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 05 March 2002 11:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A Talk about coincidences! On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:29:55 -0500 "Brian Miller" writes: A listing I came across: Discrete head cassette deck. I am the original owner. I've switched to burning CD's and no longer need this piece. My price reflects the fact that there is a slight mechanical noise when the cassette is turning. It's done that for several years and doesn't seem to affect the performance. $475obo http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1020549133&2&3&4& --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 6 00:52:37 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:52:37 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A In-Reply-To: <000801c1c49d$a931d750$6a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002801c1c4a0$d3e387c0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Interesting. Right price, wrong time. G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 05 March 2002 11:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A A listing I came across: Discrete head cassette deck. I am the original owner. I've switched to burning CD's and no longer need this piece. My price reflects the fact that there is a slight mechanical noise when the cassette is turning. It's done that for several years and doesn't seem to affect the performance. $475obo http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1020549133&2&3&4& --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed Mar 6 00:59:51 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:59:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A References: <20020305.183551.-518551.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <010d01c1c4a1$d70d0ce0$90021fac@brianm> ...and timing!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR7A Talk about coincidences! On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 18:29:55 -0500 "Brian Miller" writes: A listing I came across: Discrete head cassette deck. I am the original owner. I've switched to burning CD's and no longer need this piece. My price reflects the fact that there is a slight mechanical noise when the cassette is turning. It's done that for several years and doesn't seem to affect the performance. $475obo http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1020549133&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marcushemma at hotmail.com Wed Mar 6 01:33:01 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 01:33:01 +0100 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection Message-ID: Hmmm...just realised that the digital output from a CD-player is AFTER the CIRC-decoder... sorry for error! I guess it would be possible to make a custom digital link, provided that the receiving unit has the CIRC. M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Rosén" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection I read somewhere that the CIRC error correction system used for CD´s is able to correct some 200 errors per second. This is an impressive number! So if other errors are few, (transport, acoustical feedback, dirt on the disk, etc), maybe mismatch "reflections" will be corrected. Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Digital cable length and reflection > Speaking of digital cables, I remember reading a discussion regarding coax cable > length. There evidently is a theory that coax digital cable shorter than 1.5 meters > cause nasty internal "reflections" that can have audible consequences. I've never > auditioned different lengths of otherwise identical digital cable and wondered if there > is any scientific or audible evidence to support the theory. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I agree. And it's fun having a good rant now & then! > > Incidentally, for those who might be lamenting the lack of an XLR AES/EBU > > balanced digital connection between transport & d/a converter, the > > concensous among my clients & friends, audiophiles & studio people, is that > > an RCA or BNC unbalanced digital cable is not inferior at all, often > > superior, to an XLR AES cable of the same quality level, unless you need to > > run your digital cable longer than 10 feet. I've always found it strange > > that the XLR was chosen for balanced digital interface, since it is not an > > RF impedance rated connector. I sure as heck doubt that any XLR has an RF > > impedance remotely close to the 110ohm spec. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Norman van Wijnen" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > Well people , > > > > > > nothing wrong with a discussion with different point of views. > > > we , the unknow people , learn a lot of it. > > > > > > Norman > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 3:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > I started to respond, then realized that we have already > > > > been through this before. Seems pointless to repeat the > > > > same discussion all over again. Let's agree to disagree. > > > > I'll continue to happily use SPDIF cables and I'm sure > > > > you'll continue to deride them... > > > > > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > > You really need to lighten up a bit! > > > > > And your "bits is bits"(more or less) attitude is seriously > > flawed. > > > > > DAC's, especially 1-bit types, are much more sensitive to jitter than > > > your > > > > > post suggests. For example, the only implementation of bitstream dac > > > chips > > > > > I have ever heard that did not sound wimpy on transient response & > > bass > > > > > energy is the Museatex BiDAT, where jitter presented to the chips is > > > reduced > > > > > to 2picoseconds peak. This is considerably lower than the average, > > and > > > even > > > > > well above average, audio DSP's timebase clock can deliver(and far > > lower > > > > > than the Genesis Lens can do). About 50 times lower than average. > > So, > > > this > > > > > example supports my firm belief that jitter reduction is not as "cheap > > & > > > > > easy" as you would have us believe, and the level of jitter > > significant > > > to > > > > > the sound is far lower than you'd have us believe, to the point where > > > cable > > > > > induced jitter is absolutely significant. Even on the BiDAT, > > different > > > > > cables DO sound different(and YES, I have done blind tests on MANY > > > > > occassions, being a digital cable designer myself), even with that 2ps > > > > > jitter spec(which S'phile confirmed to be an accurate spec, by the > > way), > > > > > although cables sound less different from eachother than with other > > dac > > > > > units. > > > > > And the place to find "truth" is NOT NOT NOT in engineering > > > textbooks, > > > > > where "truth" is only considered to be what can be measured by the > > > existing > > > > > methods & mathematically calculable. I mean, for God's sake, > > engineers > > > are > > > > > the LAST people to believe their own ears if it goes against what they > > > > > learned in college. Myself formerly included, as it took a good while > > > for > > > > > me to let go of "book learnin" and actually believe what I was > > hearing, > > > > > particularly between two different competently designed speaker cables > > > or > > > > > interconnects. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ron" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:23 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I cut/pasted some of my post, since generally what was written by > > > > > someone > > > > > > > else has been general agreement in most audio circles (don't want > > to > > > be > > > > > > > accused of plagiarism). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have often reference excerpts written by Robert Harley / J. > > Gordon > > > > > Holt / > > > > > > > John Atkinson to get a certain perspective of the audio hobby > > > > > altogether. > > > > > > > Please pardon me if my info source is of limited scope. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, these are the people that audition digital cables... > > > > > > Through correspondence with John Atkinson, I am well > > > > > > familiar with his technical views as to why this is > > > > > > meaningful. He was the first to admit, though, that > > > > > > many engineers disagree with his views. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But from personal experience, I can claim with aural confidence > > that > > > a > > > > > > > high-end AQ Toslink costing 6x more than a Apogee Wyde-Eye, could > > > not > > > > > make a > > > > > > > monumental difference in performance vs. price. But if I compared > > my > > > > > > > higher-end Nordost to the 'lower end' coax, there is subtle > > positive > > > > > nuances > > > > > > > that does shine through. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would urge you to repeat these comparisons in a > > > > > > truly blind test. I guarantee you will be surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I would think it would have to do with the > > > > > > > amount of jitter passing through the cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jitter is a red herring. Most people blaming it for all > > > > > > ills of society [ :-) ] do not fully understand it. In > > > > > > any case, jitter generated in cables (yes, including > > > > > > optical cables) is minute compared to that generated in > > > > > > the transport; thus, the effect of cable on final jitter > > > > > > is ridiculously low. Also, getting rid of most of the > > > > > > jitter is very cheap and easy to do (through reclocking. > > > > > > I can't imagine reasonable quality equipment that doesn't > > > > > > include it). With a bit more effort and just a bit more > > > > > > expense (buffering), final jitter can be reduced to the > > > > > > jitter in the DAC clock, making it dependent on the > > > > > > electronics and independent of the cable (or, indeed, > > > > > > the transport). > > > > > > > > > > > > > That in a nutshell is my own truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Truth' is not subjective. Certainly, not in a technical > > > > > > context. The place to find technical truth is in > > > > > > Engineering textbooks, not in manufacturer's ads or in > > > > > > Stereophile. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of Ron > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 7:08 AM > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax S/PDIF uses electrical signal--instead of optical > > > signal--to > > > > > > > > transmit audio data. S/PDIF or "digital coax" cables look like > > > normal > > > > > > > > cables. However, for superior performance, they must be > > specially > > > > > designed > > > > > > > > for wideband applications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike, no offense intended, but this is simply not > > > > > > > true. Frequency of SPD/IF signal is low, there is > > > > > > > no need whatsoever for wideband capability. Any > > > > > > > RG-59 cable is capable of far higher frequency > > > > > > > than SPDIF (roughly, 3 orders of magnitude higher). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These 75 ohm cables are used with either RCA or > > > > > > > > BNC connectors depending upon the equipment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted from another site: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The coax input will sound better IF you use a good sounding > > > digital > > > > > coax > > > > > > > > cable... there are a lot of them that sound really bad, > > > unfortunately. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The TosLink optical interface almost always sounds about the > > same > > > no > > > > > > > matter > > > > > > > > what cable you use. Unfortunately, TosLink is a dirt cheap > > optical > > > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > and as a result, it usually makes components sound worse than > > they > > > can > > > > > > > > through the digital coax interface. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is patently NOT TRUE. I don't feel like keying > > > > > > > in a technical explanation, but here is the simple > > > > > > > fact: there are only two kinds of digital cables > > > > > > > (regardless of whether coax, fiber or whatever): > > > > > > > those that work correctly and those that do not > > > > > > > and should be replaced with one that that does work > > > > > > > correctly. This is binary, there are no in between. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, people tend to forget that the > > > > > > > > plastic fibers in the TosLink cables can break if the cable is > > > kinked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > True. Add to that the SPDIF crappy connector design. > > > > > > > But this is moot once the cable is installed unharmed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That > > > > > > > > reduces the signal transmission and further degrades the sound. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Far from the truth. Once you install the fiber cable, > > > > > > > it will work correctly. If it breaks, it won't work > > > > > > > at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would characterize the TosLink optical interface sound quality > > > as > > > > > OK, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > not very spacious, transparent or detailed. The sound is > > > dimensionally > > > > > > > flat, > > > > > > > > kind of "gray" sounding (rather than clear and sparkling), and > > > > > generally > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very exciting to listen to. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That a lot of hooey. Contrary to popular belief, audio > > > > > > > digital cables do not carry an audio signal. The signal > > > > > > > they carry is digital (ones and zeros). As far as the > > > > > > > cable is concerned, the signal could be a computer > > > > > > > program, a shopping list or your bank account statement. > > > > > > > It wouldn't know the difference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Digital coax sound can be worse than that with a bad cable. It > > can > > > > > also be > > > > > > > > far better with a good cable. I hope this answers the question > > > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. There is no way a good digital cable > > > > > > > sounds any different from any other good digital cable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > > > > > > > Behalf Of George Valkov > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:41 AM > > > > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's crappy about the toslink ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > > > > > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > > > > > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Technics > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 01:31:56 -0700 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One note on the 95/3080- it does not have a coax output as > > stock, > > > just > > > > > > > > crappy toslink. First thing I do to one is install a nice RCA > > > jack > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > shielded, pure silver line straight to the YM3613 SPDIF output > > > > > interface > > > > > > > > chip, disconnecting the feed to the optical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Wed Mar 6 04:07:45 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:07:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 48 0Z Head type) In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D2F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C8541B1.23543.3456423@localhost> Tom- According to my schematic there is a 1 ohm resistor (R423) in series with the cam motor, if it suffered during your smokefest that may account for the reduced current to the motor. Regards, Tim On 6 Mar 2002 at 9:28, Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Marc, > > I own a 480 as well, but last year I did something to it that was really dumb! I was adjusting capstan speed when my screwdriver slipped and shorted the plus and minus on the reel motor - suddenly POP! I took out a transistor that was in the circuit for that particular motor. To make matters worse, when I was tracing the circuit to find the dead components (not knowing that it was only one transistor at the time) my probe of the multimeter slipped and again POP! This time I took out two transistors (Q405 & Q406) that drive the cam motor. Later I replaced the transistors that controlled the reel motor and cam motor (FF & REW works) but now no play due to sleepy cam motor circuit. I checked out the cam motor by connecting it to a variable DC supply using low current (below 1 amp), and even on the extreme low voltages the motor came to life and as smooth as silk. Me thinks there are other components associated with the cam motor that are dead. I had a 482Z at the time to compa! > re circuits, voltages, components etc, and it seems that there is not enough current being delivered to the cam motor (voltages good, plus and minus 12 volt on the cam motor). The voltages going into and out of the two transistors (Q405 & Q406) are correct, but I have no idea why it still refuses to work. > > I miss using the 480 because I LOVE those analogue meters, and for a two head deck I was blown away by the quality. I will not part with it even that it does not work at the moment, however, I will fix it or better still ask all of you what to look for (component wise) to replace. My experience in fault finding is limited - Damn I wish I knew more! Has anyone had a similar experience. Stephen, if you are reading this what would you do to tackle this problem? > > I think that I have said enough about my 480, Marc you have probably regretted asking the question for I have blabbed on long enough. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 6:12 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z > Head type) > > > Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue on Cass Deck One. > > No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle accelerator. > > I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. > > Cheers all, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tim Barrett timbarrett at cox.rr.com Fairfax, VA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 6 05:16:34 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 04:16:34 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - New Optical HDTV DVD standard In-Reply-To: <20020306040546.17074.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004a01c1c4c5$b3bd17c0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> ... by which time some other new technology may have emerged? Funny though - I still remember seeing the "first" British built experimental laser on the TV science programme "Tomorrow's World" - a huge thing that sat on a bench which must have been at least 7' long! And look what we have now - tiny things that you can hide in the palm of your hand ... marvellous! ;oD Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Scott Johnson Sent: 06 March 2002 04:06 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic (OT) - New Optical HDTV DVD standard The biggest problems with Blu-ray "right now" is the operating life of current Blue-Violet lasers is very short. I think they're up to hundreds of hours. It will take a couple years for them to work out the operating life issues and get the cost work. Currently the lasers cost hundreds of dollars. SJ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 6 05:35:39 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:35:39 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SX c90 tapes! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D38@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Check out these... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1521451611 Have a look at the current price, are they worth it? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Mar 6 06:34:15 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 23:34:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SX c90 tapes! In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D38@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: The only reason I would even consider these tapes would be collector's desire. However, at $8.10 a tape, this is too expensive. If these were Nak ZX metal tapes, I might consider 10 at upto $50. >From the practical stand point, there is nothing special about these tapes. These are not SONY SMM or TDK MA-XG, etc. These are, more or less, TDK SA tapes. For $8.10, you can get 10 Maxell XL-II tapes at SAMS, a much better deal. My $0.02. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Tue, March 05, 2002 10:36 PM To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SX c90 tapes! Hi all, Check out these... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1521451611 Have a look at the current price, are they worth it? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Mar 6 06:34:26 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:34:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D38@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <008301c1c4d0$9543ba50$33dffea9@c994264g> If there is someone familiar with CR4A innards, I have a question. The 2nd LED number readout has one of the segments intermittently, (mostly off now) lighting up. I know on the PCB the connector is labeled CN3, and on the display board is also labeled CN3. (I'm hinting for a service manual advice). I've scrapped off as much excess flux, but still cannot get the LED segment to light up. I pulled the wire assembly out of the socket to see if any thing jiggles. I gently pulled on the wiring harness to see if there was any effect, but nothing happens. Any help would be welcomed. Also, does the CR4 need the gear upgrade like it's bigger cousins? Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 6 06:39:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:39:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] TD 700 References: Message-ID: <056701c1c4d1$3c350080$123442cf@sank1> Send me pics off list & I'll help you get it straightened out. And believe it or not, mech parts for the TD-700 are actually still available from Nak, I suppose because the 1000TD is just a dressed up TD700. The "proper way"(or at least the most reliable way) to fix a circuit trace is to scrape the enamel from a solderable area of trace on each side of the break(whether a crack or vaporised section), then lay a wire as a bridge & solder it into place. If it is a long section of fried trace, or if you have to go far to get to trace areas wide enough to solder wire to, then use insulated wire. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] TD 700 > > Hi Stephen, > > Thanks for your advice regarding my TD-700. Went through it again and > clenaed up all the glue and reapired a broken circuit link (by the way, how > do you repair this the proper way?). Now the deck powers up and the capstan > motoe turns! Progress at last! But noticed another problem, that the tape > loading mechanism is not functioning properly. I think it's because the > plastic bit that attaches to the tray is broken (will try to do a photo > later) and in my haste to disassemble it now realise I can't reassemble it > properly! Please help! Perhaps if I show you the picture? Will try to do > upload it later. Thanks. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 6 06:39:37 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:39:37 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SX c90 tapes! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D3C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Stan, that's what I thought. A few weeks ago someone was auctioning off TDK MA-R 90's still in their wrappers! I was going to bid for them until I saw the current price of US $98 - OH MY! These tapes and similar are really for collector, I too am a collector but would only go so far (I'm not that crazy - my wife on the other hand thinks I am). Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2002 4:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SX c90 tapes! The only reason I would even consider these tapes would be collector's desire. However, at $8.10 a tape, this is too expensive. If these were Nak ZX metal tapes, I might consider 10 at upto $50. >From the practical stand point, there is nothing special about these tapes. These are not SONY SMM or TDK MA-XG, etc. These are, more or less, TDK SA tapes. For $8.10, you can get 10 Maxell XL-II tapes at SAMS, a much better deal. My $0.02. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Tue, March 05, 2002 10:36 PM To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SX c90 tapes! Hi all, Check out these... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1521451611 Have a look at the current price, are they worth it? Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 6 06:56:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:56:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing References: <008301c1c4d0$9543ba50$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <059701c1c4d3$b8cd7260$123442cf@sank1> Assuming that you have resoldered the display itself, it's most likely that the display is going south. Not too rare on these. And the CR-4/3/2/1 were not produced before the gear drive was implemented. The CR-7/5 came out more than a year before. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing > If there is someone familiar with CR4A innards, I have a question. > > The 2nd LED number readout has one of the segments intermittently, (mostly > off now) lighting up. I know on the PCB the connector is labeled CN3, and on > the display board is also labeled CN3. (I'm hinting for a service manual > advice). > > I've scrapped off as much excess flux, but still cannot get the LED segment > to light up. I pulled the wire assembly out of the socket to see if any > thing jiggles. I gently pulled on the wiring harness to see if there was any > effect, but nothing happens. > > Any help would be welcomed. > > Also, does the CR4 need the gear upgrade like it's bigger cousins? > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Mar 6 06:29:43 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:43 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing Message-ID: <005d01c1c4cf$ed03ad00$42d60192@vsnl> I had earlier uploaded CR4 schematics on Nak site and still available and if you require some more info on Service manual - give me some time to scan and send it. I do not have any clue as to why the LED is not lightinp but worth while tracing the points using the service manual to see that the points have voltages like other segments ( Is it LED or Flourescent display like CR3?) CR4 has gera drive installed like our Cr3 and if you open the cassette back door - you can see the Drive. Hope Stephen gives you some clue soon Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Mike deVera To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing >If there is someone familiar with CR4A innards, I have a question. > >The 2nd LED number readout has one of the segments intermittently, (mostly >off now) lighting up. I know on the PCB the connector is labeled CN3, and on >the display board is also labeled CN3. (I'm hinting for a service manual >advice). > >I've scrapped off as much excess flux, but still cannot get the LED segment >to light up. I pulled the wire assembly out of the socket to see if any >thing jiggles. I gently pulled on the wiring harness to see if there was any >effect, but nothing happens. > >Any help would be welcomed. > >Also, does the CR4 need the gear upgrade like it's bigger cousins? > >Mike > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Mar 6 09:16:08 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:16:08 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing In-Reply-To: <059701c1c4d3$b8cd7260$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008501c1c4e7$2be8efa0$33dffea9@c994264g> No I didn't resolder, since I don't know if that's the issue. If you have a strong sense that that could be it, I would try my hand at soldering. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing Assuming that you have resoldered the display itself, it's most likely that the display is going south. Not too rare on these. And the CR-4/3/2/1 were not produced before the gear drive was implemented. The CR-7/5 came out more than a year before. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing > If there is someone familiar with CR4A innards, I have a question. > > The 2nd LED number readout has one of the segments intermittently, (mostly > off now) lighting up. I know on the PCB the connector is labeled CN3, and on > the display board is also labeled CN3. (I'm hinting for a service manual > advice). > > I've scrapped off as much excess flux, but still cannot get the LED segment > to light up. I pulled the wire assembly out of the socket to see if any > thing jiggles. I gently pulled on the wiring harness to see if there was any > effect, but nothing happens. > > Any help would be welcomed. > > Also, does the CR4 need the gear upgrade like it's bigger cousins? > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Mar 6 09:17:55 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:17:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] RE: [natal] LED Segments Missing In-Reply-To: <005d01c1c4cf$ed03ad00$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <008601c1c4e7$6b77d730$33dffea9@c994264g> Thank you for the pdf (which I did download). I did trace the schematic, and I don't know if it's isolated internally inside the LED assembly. It's not sonically detrimental, but it's visually annoying. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing I had earlier uploaded CR4 schematics on Nak site and still available and if you require some more info on Service manual - give me some time to scan and send it. I do not have any clue as to why the LED is not lightinp but worth while tracing the points using the service manual to see that the points have voltages like other segments ( Is it LED or Flourescent display like CR3?) CR4 has gera drive installed like our Cr3 and if you open the cassette back door - you can see the Drive. Hope Stephen gives you some clue soon Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Mike deVera To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] LED Segments Missing >If there is someone familiar with CR4A innards, I have a question. > >The 2nd LED number readout has one of the segments intermittently, (mostly >off now) lighting up. I know on the PCB the connector is labeled CN3, and on >the display board is also labeled CN3. (I'm hinting for a service manual >advice). > >I've scrapped off as much excess flux, but still cannot get the LED segment >to light up. I pulled the wire assembly out of the socket to see if any >thing jiggles. I gently pulled on the wiring harness to see if there was any >effect, but nothing happens. > >Any help would be welcomed. > >Also, does the CR4 need the gear upgrade like it's bigger cousins? > >Mike > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From taiyosan at aaahawk.com Wed Mar 6 11:00:11 2002 From: taiyosan at aaahawk.com (Taiyo Lipscomb) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:00:11 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2063 In-Reply-To: <200203060636.HAA17522@zebra.naks.com> References: <200203060636.HAA17522@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Drat! Someone gave me the ftp site, and password, for Nak service manuals and then i lost it ... would someone please pass it my way again? Thank you Taiyo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Wed Mar 6 11:36:29 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:36:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham In-Reply-To: <000d01c1c47b$ae1de1e0$845f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham I have a Marantz CD10, as well as my Meridian 506 and I desperately wanted to like the CD17KI that I home-auditioned. I wouldn't say it was more detailed, it just spot lit certain frequencies and tried a little too hard for my liking, and I use a John Shearne Phase 2 Reference which tends to require a little brightening up! The CD10 drags up a huge amount of detail but spreads a broad canvas of music in front of you, so if you haven't got your 'audiophile' ears on it just washes over you - beautiful. I would never get rid of mine as it is closer than the Meridian to my record deck and I would recommend one to anybody. My only reservation was worries after its launch about transport reliability, but it would be easy to fix in the event of failure (ask stephen) and uses the CDM4 which is one of the best ever philips mechanisms. regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 05 March 2002 19:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Jim Have to say I've only heard the CD10 (and CD17) through a modest Creek amp but the CD10 seemed to me to be slightly less detailed but much more full bodied in terms of tonal variety and significantly easier on the ear. I felt I could listen to my friend's CD10 all day without it bothering me; but I sensed a certain shrillness in the CD17 that was wearing on my ears even on a single CD play. However, that might have been as much a consequence of the cable he used and the amp, I suppose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 05 March 2002 02:58 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Graham just to put that straight, the cd 10 is my personal favourite not the cd 16! jim -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: 05 March 2002 09:33 To: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Graham Just spotted this on UK ebay: Marantz CD10 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337271789 Ever so rare to see these come up and ALOT better than a CD16 (one of my personal faves). Jim -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 03 March 2002 11:11 To: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Thanks Jim I'm familiar with the CD10 and CD17. Much preferred the CD10, as did the owner of them both eventually - he sold on the CD17. Although I understand the KI version is a great improvement. My query arose because there arose one at a reasonable price on German e-Bay. Always one for a bargain price, if I can, I was wondering if I should risk a bid/win! However the price isn't so good that selling on if I didn't like it would be an easy option! Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 03 March 2002 08:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Poor CDM12 transport (cheaper and easier to replace than a turntable cartridge) with otherwise good build. Sound not as good as the earlier CD10 (CDM4) or the later CD17/CD17KI (CDM12). Not a bad player but the one I heard was a little 'soulless' and processed. Should make a good transport. jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 02 March 2002 21:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Anyone know anything about this model, good, bad or indifferent? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 19/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 6 19:25:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:25:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c1c53c$5d450ac0$f6b2193e@a4s1s2> Jim Thanks for that. I seem to recall Stephen saying good things about CDM4 mechanisms. I'll be watching the price to see how it;s going and probably bid if it doesn't seem to go too high. It;s difficult to judge the 2nd hand value of these because they don't often come up for sale ... that must be a mark of their quality! Most recently saw one sold for £400 - no idea if that was cheap or dear. However, compared with the Quad 67 that I know of that was sold for £400 .... the Marantz was cheap, I'm sure!!! Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 06 March 2002 10:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz CD16 Graham Graham I have a Marantz CD10, as well as my Meridian 506 and I desperately wanted to like the CD17KI that I home-auditioned. I wouldn't say it was more detailed, it just spot lit certain frequencies and tried a little too hard for my liking, and I use a John Shearne Phase 2 Reference which tends to require a little brightening up! The CD10 drags up a huge amount of detail but spreads a broad canvas of music in front of you, so if you haven't got your 'audiophile' ears on it just washes over you - beautiful. I would never get rid of mine as it is closer than the Meridian to my record deck and I would recommend one to anybody. My only reservation was worries after its launch about transport reliability, but it would be easy to fix in the event of failure (ask stephen) and uses the CDM4 which is one of the best ever philips mechanisms. regards Jim -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Mar 7 00:01:41 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 23:01:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Message-ID: <01C1C567.1C733460.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Well done, Graham, we all knew you had it in you ;o) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 05 March, 2002 22:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Tom I don't know how to solve your problem but if you need any help popping more transistors, I'm your man! Having decried myself, I just fixed a pair of the speakers I blew up the other week. A scary bit of coincidence had me find the very same model of 20-30 year old tweeters that I blew being auctioned on the UK Loot site. I won 'em, they were delivered just before I left for work this morning, and I just fitted them ... and they WORK! You engineers may laugh and sneer but that is a major achievement for this soldering iron greenhorn! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 05 March 2002 10:29 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Hi Marc, I own a 480 as well, but last year I did something to it that was really dumb! I was adjusting capstan speed when my screwdriver slipped and shorted the plus and minus on the reel motor - suddenly POP! I took out a transistor that was in the circuit for that particular motor. To make matters worse, when I was tracing the circuit to find the dead components (not knowing that it was only one transistor at the time) my probe of the multimeter slipped and again POP! This time I took out two transistors (Q405 & Q406) that drive the cam motor. Later I replaced the transistors that controlled the reel motor and cam motor (FF & REW works) but now no play due to sleepy cam motor circuit. I checked out the cam motor by connecting it to a variable DC supply using low current (below 1 amp), and even on the extreme low voltages the motor came to life and as smooth as silk. Me thinks there are other components associated with the cam motor that are dead. I had a 482Z at the time to compa! re circuits, voltages, components etc, and it seems that there is not enough current being delivered to the cam motor (voltages good, plus and minus 12 volt on the cam motor). The voltages going into and out of the two transistors (Q405 & Q406) are correct, but I have no idea why it still refuses to work. I miss using the 480 because I LOVE those analogue meters, and for a two head deck I was blown away by the quality. I will not part with it even that it does not work at the moment, however, I will fix it or better still ask all of you what to look for (component wise) to replace. My experience in fault finding is limited - Damn I wish I knew more! Has anyone had a similar experience. Stephen, if you are reading this what would you do to tackle this problem? I think that I have said enough about my 480, Marc you have probably regretted asking the question for I have blabbed on long enough. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 6:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Stephen!! (Re: Replacement motors and Nak 480Z Head type) Thanks very much for the practically instantaneous reply (John, the reply was not at the speed of light, but was at an appreciable fraction of it!!!) regarding the Nak 480Z and the possible motor issue on Cass Deck One. No, seriously John, Stephen puts all his replies into a particle accelerator. I don't know if there are any on this list with a member of the 480 family, but I for one am very impressed, even disregarding where it appears on the Nak evolutionary scale and that it has a Sendust head. A truly sparkling performer. Cheers all, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham, Buy CR-7 and forget Pioneer (it is not worth keeping!). You can find one in good shape for less than $1200 for sure. That is what I did. This sweet pair (ZX-9 & CR-7) is the greatest Nak combo to be desired. Plus I also like my 700TriTracer that delivers the old classic sound - something really missed these days. With best wishes, Nick. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I thought the 16 bit DACs sound much nicer than Bitsream especially for the bass? That's why Naim and the Marantz CD-7 uses it, isn't it? CD-94 is probably cheaper than CD-10 as well in UK. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Mar 7 05:23:15 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:23:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 discussion: 700TT Message-ID: <1AC0ACC9.73D004B6.032C04E1@netscape.net> Thanks, John. 700TriTRacer is a unique machine. It sounds almost like a good reel-to-reel deck. Me and Nick Igritsky tried it among some other Naks including some of the best and found its sound marvelous. Really I do not know what other machine could compete with 700TT in terms of musicality. With best wishes, Nicholas. -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 7 08:11:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:11:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: CD 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <008b01c1c5a7$5e392c20$0e9f193e@a4s1s2> Kelvin Well ... I'm not 100% certain I'll go for the CD10 but I am familiar with it as a friend has one. He also bought a CD17 which to my ear, was nowhere near as nice to hear. I'm no familiar with the CD94. However, you do a fine job of selling the idea!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: 07 March 2002 03:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Graham's CD 10 Just wondering about Graham's wish to get a Marantz CD-10. Why not get a Marantz CD-94 instead? What do you all think? The CD-94 has a CDM 1 solid steel mechanism, CD-10 has the CDM 4 instead. Plus the CD-94 uses Phillips/Crown 16 bit DACs instead of DAC 7 bitstream in CD-10. I thought the 16 bit DACs sound much nicer than Bitsream especially for the bass? That's why Naim and the Marantz CD-7 uses it, isn't it? CD-94 is probably cheaper than CD-10 as well in UK. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c.davis at mailbox.uq.edu.au Thu Mar 7 09:39:13 2002 From: c.davis at mailbox.uq.edu.au (Chris Davis) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:39:13 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 In-Reply-To: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C0EA@CPT-01> Message-ID: <000501c1c5b3$973a9020$241756a5@fa00044471> When recording on my 480 everything looks okay (meters move properly etc) but playback on both channels is very soft and distorted. Erasure of old material is also poor. Prerecorded tapes play fine. Any advice on the likely problem much appreciated. I am fairly tech savvy, and have a good CRO etc for diagnostics, but don't currently have access to any schematics. Many thanks Chris Davis > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards, Tim On 7 Mar 2002 at 18:39, Chris Davis wrote: From: "Chris Davis" To: Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 Date sent: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:39:13 +1000 Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > When recording on my 480 everything looks okay (meters move properly > etc) but playback on both channels is very soft and distorted. > Erasure of old material is also poor. Prerecorded tapes play fine. > Any advice on the likely problem much appreciated. I am fairly tech > savvy, and have a good CRO etc for diagnostics, but don't currently > have access to any schematics. > > Many thanks > Chris Davis > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. 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It doesn't have the playback azimuth adjustment of the DR-1, but it will still make pre-recorded tapes sound much better than they have a right to. While other Naks, including, but not limited to ZX, CR, RX, LX families are the classic collectors lines from the eighties, I have found that all Nakamichi cassette decks will make other marques hang their heads in shame (except for a couple of landmark models from a handful of manufacturers). I can probably dig up a few applicable reviews over the weekend and drop them in the fax to you (you're in Cape Town, I seem to recall?). Good luck!! Marc >>> nealw at decillion.net 03/07/02 08:51AM >>> i see one for sale for ZAR 2500 (about $200) and wondered about getting it as a second deck (i have a 1000zxl) what are your opinions?? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Thu Mar 7 18:30:52 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:30:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] naks.com files area login info Message-ID: Hello, (in reply to Taiyo Lipscomb's request) The correct URL is: http://support.naks.com/support Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which are as follows: username: naktalk password: limited joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 7 20:55:34 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:55:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 References: <000501c1c5b3$973a9020$241756a5@fa00044471> Message-ID: <083b01c1c612$0c8f1860$123442cf@sank1> Follow the erase head wire back to the circuit board. There, you will find the bias oscillator circuit. Next to the oscillator transformer, you will see two transistors & three orange film capacitors. Replace the two "472"(0.0047ufd/100V) orange caps with same value polyester or polystyrene film caps. Problem will be fixed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Davis" To: Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:39 AM Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 > When recording on my 480 everything looks okay (meters move properly etc) > but playback on both channels is very soft and distorted. Erasure of old > material is also poor. Prerecorded tapes play fine. Any advice on the > likely problem much appreciated. I am fairly tech savvy, and have a good CRO > etc for diagnostics, but don't currently have access to any schematics. > > Many thanks > Chris Davis > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Mar 7 21:58:45 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:58:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 Message-ID: This confuses me a bit. The azimuth setting glows reassuringly green until I adjust it. Then it turns angry red, so I always turn it back to the detent stop "straight up". Are you suggesting I leave it "adjusted"? Will it turn back green when the machine settles down? As you might guess I'm not at all sure what to do with this. Advice, or insults will be gratefully accepted. St. Kenneth the Compliant Salim Marzuki cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 owner-naktalk at n aks.com 03/04/02 06:11 PM Please respond to naktalk Ken, on that 'minute loss of sharpness', have you tried tweaking the pb azimuth trim while comparing tape and source ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bentley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 I've had a Cassette Deck 1 since 92, and it was 2nd hand when I bought it for $500. No real serious problems except for last fall when the thing stopped driving the tape completely. I contacted Nakamichi and took it in to the local repair shop and got it fixed. The only other problem was the humm (see my earlier post) thanks to the advice I got here i was able to fix that with a single tweak of a mounting screw. The only slight dissapointment is a minute loss of sharpness, noticible when recording from CD and switching the monitor function between source and tape. Other than that I'm very pleased with it. Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Mar 8 01:28:06 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:28:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Message-ID: <01C1C638.206F0720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I don't buy into the dream bit. Either Niina is too tight to buy a camera to photograph it, in which case any buyer should be really suspicious of its provenance, or (my own take) s/he is too embarrassed by the gold finish to display it. How is your sulking DAT machine? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 07 March, 2002 23:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Here it is for those with the money and for those of us who just like to dream ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336149701 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 8 01:56:46 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:56:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition In-Reply-To: <01C1C638.206F0720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <003b01c1c63c$1f5535e0$0a3587d9@a4s1s2> Ah, John - the dream bit is that you have to IMAGINE how good the gold finish is! Plus, may be they will buy the camera on the proceeds of the sale of the cassette deck .... (Believe that and you'll believe anything...) My DAT is still sulking. I think I've beggared a circuit board by scratching through the etched circuit ... No surprise, what with my elephant style with screw driver and soldering iron! (Don't ask me to fix anything, guys ... ) Grrrrrra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 08 March 2002 12:28 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition I don't buy into the dream bit. Either Niina is too tight to buy a camera to photograph it, in which case any buyer should be really suspicious of its provenance, or (my own take) s/he is too embarrassed by the gold finish to display it. How is your sulking DAT machine? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 07 March, 2002 23:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Here it is for those with the money and for those of us who just like to dream ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336149701 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From taiyosan at aaahawk.com Fri Mar 8 02:43:55 2002 From: taiyosan at aaahawk.com (Taiyo Lipscomb) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:43:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2066 In-Reply-To: <200203080146.CAA29235@zebra.naks.com> References: <200203080146.CAA29235@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Thank you Joel, I'll remember where i store this one! Taiyo >Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:30:52 -0500 (EST) >From: Joel Herda >Subject: [naktalk] naks.com files area login info > >Hello, > >(in reply to Taiyo Lipscomb's request) > >The correct URL is: > >http://support.naks.com/support > >Exactly as above. It should give you a username/pw request window, which >are as follows: > >username: naktalk >password: limited > > > > >joel > >- -- >Joel Herda >joelll at genericdomain.net >joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Mar 8 05:46:47 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:46:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 Message-ID: <1539818734.1873415398@indosat.net.id> Hi Ken, Just ignore the lamp for a moment and tweak the azimuth using ear, try to find the usual nak "sharpness". If im not mistaken Cass Deck 1 (and also DR1) doesn't use 'phase sensor' of any kind thus it will give green light simply based on center detent position - and red on other position. Unlike auto-calibration naks (68x, ZXx etc) it will not turn to green by itself once it find correct phase, or settled down. If the optimum treble is found in off-center position, you'll only need minor adjustment (rec head position) later on, to get the green light back. But if you can't recover that 'lost sharpness' in any position, probably internal bias trimpot need to be adjusted. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Bentley Date: Friday, March 8, 2002 3:58 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Deck 1 > > This confuses me a bit. The azimuth setting glows reassuringly > green until > I adjust it. Then it turns angry red, so I always turn it back to the > detent stop "straight up". Are you suggesting I leave it > "adjusted"? Will > it turn back green when the machine settles down? > > As you might guess I'm not at all sure what to do with this. > Advice, or > insults will be gratefully accepted. > > St. Kenneth the Compliant > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 8 07:58:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:58:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Philips CDM-2/4 laser current adjust procedures & etc. References: Message-ID: <08ff01c1c66e$b3ef6f40$123442cf@sank1> I am copying this bit of correspondence to the "Naktalk" Nakamichi email discussion list, as a number of our members have need of the info for their Philips CDM-2 & CDM-4 based players. First, I'll say to try doing the soldering again. Even I sometimes have to do it twice, and I've done a hundred of 'em. The laser current is rather tricky to adjust. On the underside of the transport circuit board, looking at so that the ribbon cable connector for the laser sits accross upper left corner, look for a 4700ohm(may or may not be numbered 472, otherwise you gotta find it with an ohmmeter) surface mount "chip resistor" nearby that connector, to the left of it or below toward the left, as I recall. Once you have found it, take a pair of 3-4" scrap wires & solder one to each end of the resistor, to act as test points to clip the voltmeter onto. If you tape these up onto the side of the mech, you can leave them there permanently. Put the transport back to level, then load & play whatever CD will actually play at all. With the voltmeter's leads clipped each to each exposed wire end, you should get a reading somewhere between 35mV & 90mV, otherwise it shouldn't even be playing. Here's the tricky bit- Depending on the specific mech board, there will be either one or two trimmer pots on the transport board under the mech, adjustable with a 2mm(I think) hex key. If there are two, it should be the one physically closer to the resistor mentioned above. Check by turning it 5 or 10 degrees, carefully noting where it started at, and see if you get a corresponding voltage change. Note that this needs to be done with the disc still playing, so you kind of have to hold the mech up & not too tilted as you fiddle the trimmer pot. If no voltage change, try the other pot. Once identified, adjust to read out 50mV. Then skip to the last track, which will likely alter the voltage reading. Re-adjust so that you get it to read between 50 & 60mV at both ends of the disc. Then, repeat this on at least a dozen discs, especially ones that aren't currently playing, going back & forth between better & worse discs, first tracks & last tracks, until you arrive at the median point of where all discs will read within 10 or 12mV above or below 55mV. This procedure should take between 30minutes & 3 hours. Gets quicker after practice & establishing which discs are your best & worst & average. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harshad Khatri" To: "Stephen Sank" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: RE: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > No luck after the soldering. What does the laser current adjustment involve. > > Thanks, Harshad Khatri > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Harshad Khatri > Subject: Re: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > Sounds exactly like the soldering issue, plus possibly the need to do the > laser current adjustment, which is rather a pain in the neck, but requires > only an accurate voltmeter. > The solder points to re-do are all of the ones that are visible solder blobs > looking at the top side of each board. There are 10 or 12 on the top board, > and 8 or so on the lower board, and you must be sure to get the all. The > point is to apply enough heat to completely re-melt the solder of the top > side from the bottom side, or vice versa, so that a clear, shiny solder > point shows on both sides afterwards. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harshad Khatri" > To: "Stephen Sank" > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:58 AM > Subject: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > > Steve, > > > > Thanks for the tips on the Magnavox. Here's what I did > > > > 1. Extracted the CD player from the box in the basement (it was there for > > 4-5 years) > > 2. Opened the thing up completely > > 3. Cleaned it superficially > > > > As a result it works partially, i.e. it plays a few CDs, gives the red > > "ERROR" when I insert others (does not recognize the disc at all), and > for > > some others, it recognizes that a disk is inserted -- can read the # of > > tracks, total time, etc., but cannot play the music. Also, for some discs > it > > takes up to 20-25 seconds to recognize the disc (the "DISC" display > flashes > > while it is reading it. > > > > Looks to me that its going senile!! Also, as a mechanical engineer, I was > > pretty dismayed by the clutter in the box -- too many little circuit > boards > > with just as many connectors -- a recipe for failure. > > > > Regarding soldering, I could do it but did not quite understand your > > directions on what to solder. Could you help on that front. Also, from my > > description, is there anything I should be fiddling with. I am willing to > > dig into it, while I have time on my hands, and if I fry it in doing so, > no > > big deal. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:05 AM > > To: Harshad Khatri > > Subject: Re: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > About all that ever goes wrong with CDB-650's is bad soldering on the two > > large boards, specifically the solder points that connect the top side > > ground foil to traces on the bottom side of each board. Requires very > > through resoldering with a good, hot soldering iron. > > Glad to help out on the Yamaha. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > To: "Stephen Sank" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:45 PM > > Subject: RE: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > Thanks a million, your cure worked like a charm!!! > > > > > > I have now been inspired to open up an old mechanically non-working > > Magnavox > > > CD player (CDB650) and attempt to fix it. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Harshad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:05 PM > > > To: Harshad Khatri > > > Subject: Re: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > It's most likely that the platter motor is carbonised, causing bumping > as > > it > > > spins the disc. You just need to get to the underside of it & shoot it > up > > > with some non-conductive silicone spray lubricant. To do it, pop the > top, > > > turn it on & open the drawer, turn off, remove 3 screws to remove the > disc > > > clamper arm & then remove one screw that holds the pivot end of the > > > transport lift carriage(the big plastic molding that the transport is > > > mounted to, which is lifted by the loading cam). Be sure to note how > the > > > "nub" of the carriage fits into the lift groove of the cam for putting > it > > > back in. Flip the carriage over & the bottom of the platter motor will > be > > > exposed. Spray a healthy dose of silicone spray(Walmart sells one made > by > > > Pennzoil in their auto dept that is suitable) into the opening(s) in the > > > bottom of the motor. While you're there, it's not a bad idea to give > the > > > tracking motor a spritz as well. Then, put the whole thing back > together, > > > start a disc playing, and leave it paused in track 1 for 10 minutes or > so. > > > Then play on & see if it's cured. If it ain't, then the next most > likely > > > thing is that the laser has gone flakey(if it ain't just a dusty lens) & > > you > > > might as well pronounce it deceased. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:57 PM > > > Subject: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > Of late my Yamaha CD-675 Changer has been acting crazy and jumping all > > > over > > > > the track (its about 4 years old). Is there anything I should look at > to > > > ID > > > > and fix the problem or should I junk it and get a new one. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > Chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Mar 8 09:09:29 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Philips CDM-2/4 laser current adjust procedures & etc. In-Reply-To: <08ff01c1c66e$b3ef6f40$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi Can I just add that CDR discs seemed to vary the most when I adjusted mine, many so far out that the +/- 12mv was nearer +/- 20 mv with these discs! I can see now why many people have trouble with recorded cd's as adjustment seems critical to cover the wide range of what I presume is high/low reflectivity? regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 08 March 2002 06:59 To: Harshad Khatri Cc: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Philips CDM-2/4 laser current adjust procedures & etc. I am copying this bit of correspondence to the "Naktalk" Nakamichi email discussion list, as a number of our members have need of the info for their Philips CDM-2 & CDM-4 based players. First, I'll say to try doing the soldering again. Even I sometimes have to do it twice, and I've done a hundred of 'em. The laser current is rather tricky to adjust. On the underside of the transport circuit board, looking at so that the ribbon cable connector for the laser sits accross upper left corner, look for a 4700ohm(may or may not be numbered 472, otherwise you gotta find it with an ohmmeter) surface mount "chip resistor" nearby that connector, to the left of it or below toward the left, as I recall. Once you have found it, take a pair of 3-4" scrap wires & solder one to each end of the resistor, to act as test points to clip the voltmeter onto. If you tape these up onto the side of the mech, you can leave them there permanently. Put the transport back to level, then load & play whatever CD will actually play at all. With the voltmeter's leads clipped each to each exposed wire end, you should get a reading somewhere between 35mV & 90mV, otherwise it shouldn't even be playing. Here's the tricky bit- Depending on the specific mech board, there will be either one or two trimmer pots on the transport board under the mech, adjustable with a 2mm(I think) hex key. If there are two, it should be the one physically closer to the resistor mentioned above. Check by turning it 5 or 10 degrees, carefully noting where it started at, and see if you get a corresponding voltage change. Note that this needs to be done with the disc still playing, so you kind of have to hold the mech up & not too tilted as you fiddle the trimmer pot. If no voltage change, try the other pot. Once identified, adjust to read out 50mV. Then skip to the last track, which will likely alter the voltage reading. Re-adjust so that you get it to read between 50 & 60mV at both ends of the disc. Then, repeat this on at least a dozen discs, especially ones that aren't currently playing, going back & forth between better & worse discs, first tracks & last tracks, until you arrive at the median point of where all discs will read within 10 or 12mV above or below 55mV. This procedure should take between 30minutes & 3 hours. Gets quicker after practice & establishing which discs are your best & worst & average. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harshad Khatri" To: "Stephen Sank" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: RE: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > No luck after the soldering. What does the laser current adjustment involve. > > Thanks, Harshad Khatri > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Harshad Khatri > Subject: Re: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > Sounds exactly like the soldering issue, plus possibly the need to do the > laser current adjustment, which is rather a pain in the neck, but requires > only an accurate voltmeter. > The solder points to re-do are all of the ones that are visible solder blobs > looking at the top side of each board. There are 10 or 12 on the top board, > and 8 or so on the lower board, and you must be sure to get the all. The > point is to apply enough heat to completely re-melt the solder of the top > side from the bottom side, or vice versa, so that a clear, shiny solder > point shows on both sides afterwards. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harshad Khatri" > To: "Stephen Sank" > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:58 AM > Subject: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > > Steve, > > > > Thanks for the tips on the Magnavox. Here's what I did > > > > 1. Extracted the CD player from the box in the basement (it was there for > > 4-5 years) > > 2. Opened the thing up completely > > 3. Cleaned it superficially > > > > As a result it works partially, i.e. it plays a few CDs, gives the red > > "ERROR" when I insert others (does not recognize the disc at all), and > for > > some others, it recognizes that a disk is inserted -- can read the # of > > tracks, total time, etc., but cannot play the music. Also, for some discs > it > > takes up to 20-25 seconds to recognize the disc (the "DISC" display > flashes > > while it is reading it. > > > > Looks to me that its going senile!! Also, as a mechanical engineer, I was > > pretty dismayed by the clutter in the box -- too many little circuit > boards > > with just as many connectors -- a recipe for failure. > > > > Regarding soldering, I could do it but did not quite understand your > > directions on what to solder. Could you help on that front. Also, from my > > description, is there anything I should be fiddling with. I am willing to > > dig into it, while I have time on my hands, and if I fry it in doing so, > no > > big deal. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:05 AM > > To: Harshad Khatri > > Subject: Re: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > About all that ever goes wrong with CDB-650's is bad soldering on the two > > large boards, specifically the solder points that connect the top side > > ground foil to traces on the bottom side of each board. Requires very > > through resoldering with a good, hot soldering iron. > > Glad to help out on the Yamaha. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > To: "Stephen Sank" > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:45 PM > > Subject: RE: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > Thanks a million, your cure worked like a charm!!! > > > > > > I have now been inspired to open up an old mechanically non-working > > Magnavox > > > CD player (CDB650) and attempt to fix it. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Harshad > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:05 PM > > > To: Harshad Khatri > > > Subject: Re: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > It's most likely that the platter motor is carbonised, causing bumping > as > > it > > > spins the disc. You just need to get to the underside of it & shoot it > up > > > with some non-conductive silicone spray lubricant. To do it, pop the > top, > > > turn it on & open the drawer, turn off, remove 3 screws to remove the > disc > > > clamper arm & then remove one screw that holds the pivot end of the > > > transport lift carriage(the big plastic molding that the transport is > > > mounted to, which is lifted by the loading cam). Be sure to note how > the > > > "nub" of the carriage fits into the lift groove of the cam for putting > it > > > back in. Flip the carriage over & the bottom of the platter motor will > be > > > exposed. Spray a healthy dose of silicone spray(Walmart sells one made > by > > > Pennzoil in their auto dept that is suitable) into the opening(s) in the > > > bottom of the motor. While you're there, it's not a bad idea to give > the > > > tracking motor a spritz as well. Then, put the whole thing back > together, > > > start a disc playing, and leave it paused in track 1 for 10 minutes or > so. > > > Then play on & see if it's cured. If it ain't, then the next most > likely > > > thing is that the laser has gone flakey(if it ain't just a dusty lens) & > > you > > > might as well pronounce it deceased. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:57 PM > > > Subject: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > Of late my Yamaha CD-675 Changer has been acting crazy and jumping all > > > over > > > > the track (its about 4 years old). Is there anything I should look at > to > > > ID > > > > and fix the problem or should I junk it and get a new one. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > Chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Mar 8 09:13:54 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:13:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition In-Reply-To: <003b01c1c63c$1f5535e0$0a3587d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: You gotta trust this rich Swiss, his feedback shows he recently bought 6 police academy videos and 10 Original Dick und Doof Videos :) Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2002 00:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Ah, John - the dream bit is that you have to IMAGINE how good the gold finish is! Plus, may be they will buy the camera on the proceeds of the sale of the cassette deck .... (Believe that and you'll believe anything...) My DAT is still sulking. I think I've beggared a circuit board by scratching through the etched circuit ... No surprise, what with my elephant style with screw driver and soldering iron! (Don't ask me to fix anything, guys ... ) Grrrrrra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 08 March 2002 12:28 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition I don't buy into the dream bit. Either Niina is too tight to buy a camera to photograph it, in which case any buyer should be really suspicious of its provenance, or (my own take) s/he is too embarrassed by the gold finish to display it. How is your sulking DAT machine? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 07 March, 2002 23:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Here it is for those with the money and for those of us who just like to dream ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336149701 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 8 10:02:16 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:02:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Philips CDM-2/4 laser current adjust procedures & etc. References: Message-ID: <097f01c1c67f$f29ce7c0$123442cf@sank1> Exactly right. But the "within certain range" laser current adjust is unique to the radial philips transports. Everybody elses lasers are adjusted optically by actuall laser output, rather than current draw of photodiode array, don't have the servos all referencing off of that level & merely need to "see enough" light reflected, so one can simply adjust above normal output level to any point safe for the laser life, if needed for CDR tolerance. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Philips CDM-2/4 laser current adjust procedures & etc. > Hi > Can I just add that CDR discs seemed to vary the most when I adjusted mine, > many so far out that the +/- 12mv was nearer +/- 20 mv with these discs! I > can see now why many people have trouble with recorded cd's as adjustment > seems critical to cover the wide range of what I presume is high/low > reflectivity? > regards > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 08 March 2002 06:59 > To: Harshad Khatri > Cc: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Philips CDM-2/4 laser current adjust procedures & > etc. > > > I am copying this bit of correspondence to the "Naktalk" Nakamichi email > discussion list, as a number of our members have need of the info for their > Philips CDM-2 & CDM-4 based players. > > First, I'll say to try doing the soldering again. Even I sometimes have to > do it twice, and I've done a hundred of 'em. > The laser current is rather tricky to adjust. On the underside of the > transport circuit board, looking at so that the ribbon cable connector for > the laser sits accross upper left corner, look for a 4700ohm(may or may not > be numbered 472, otherwise you gotta find it with an ohmmeter) surface mount > "chip resistor" nearby that connector, to the left of it or below toward the > left, as I recall. Once you have found it, take a pair of 3-4" scrap wires > & solder one to each end of the resistor, to act as test points to clip the > voltmeter onto. If you tape these up onto the side of the mech, you can > leave them there permanently. Put the transport back to level, then load & > play whatever CD will actually play at all. With the voltmeter's leads > clipped each to each exposed wire end, you should get a reading somewhere > between 35mV & 90mV, otherwise it shouldn't even be playing. Here's the > tricky bit- Depending on the specific mech board, there will be either one > or two trimmer pots on the transport board under the mech, adjustable with a > 2mm(I think) hex key. If there are two, it should be the one physically > closer to the resistor mentioned above. Check by turning it 5 or 10 > degrees, carefully noting where it started at, and see if you get a > corresponding voltage change. Note that this needs to be done with the disc > still playing, so you kind of have to hold the mech up & not too tilted as > you fiddle the trimmer pot. If no voltage change, try the other pot. Once > identified, adjust to read out 50mV. Then skip to the last track, which > will likely alter the voltage reading. Re-adjust so that you get it to read > between 50 & 60mV at both ends of the disc. Then, repeat this on at least a > dozen discs, especially ones that aren't currently playing, going back & > forth between better & worse discs, first tracks & last tracks, until you > arrive at the median point of where all discs will read within 10 or 12mV > above or below 55mV. This procedure should take between 30minutes & 3 > hours. Gets quicker after practice & establishing which discs are your best > & worst & average. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harshad Khatri" > To: "Stephen Sank" > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:46 PM > Subject: RE: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > > No luck after the soldering. What does the laser current adjustment > involve. > > > > Thanks, Harshad Khatri > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:32 PM > > To: Harshad Khatri > > Subject: Re: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > > > > Sounds exactly like the soldering issue, plus possibly the need to do the > > laser current adjustment, which is rather a pain in the neck, but requires > > only an accurate voltmeter. > > The solder points to re-do are all of the ones that are visible solder > blobs > > looking at the top side of each board. There are 10 or 12 on the top > board, > > and 8 or so on the lower board, and you must be sure to get the all. The > > point is to apply enough heat to completely re-melt the solder of the top > > side from the bottom side, or vice versa, so that a clear, shiny solder > > point shows on both sides afterwards. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > To: "Stephen Sank" > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:58 AM > > Subject: The Magnavox Saga Continues ............. > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > Thanks for the tips on the Magnavox. Here's what I did > > > > > > 1. Extracted the CD player from the box in the basement (it was there > for > > > 4-5 years) > > > 2. Opened the thing up completely > > > 3. Cleaned it superficially > > > > > > As a result it works partially, i.e. it plays a few CDs, gives the red > > > "ERROR" when I insert others (does not recognize the disc at all), and > > for > > > some others, it recognizes that a disk is inserted -- can read the # of > > > tracks, total time, etc., but cannot play the music. Also, for some > discs > > it > > > takes up to 20-25 seconds to recognize the disc (the "DISC" display > > flashes > > > while it is reading it. > > > > > > Looks to me that its going senile!! Also, as a mechanical engineer, I > was > > > pretty dismayed by the clutter in the box -- too many little circuit > > boards > > > with just as many connectors -- a recipe for failure. > > > > > > Regarding soldering, I could do it but did not quite understand your > > > directions on what to solder. Could you help on that front. Also, from > my > > > description, is there anything I should be fiddling with. I am willing > to > > > dig into it, while I have time on my hands, and if I fry it in doing so, > > no > > > big deal. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:05 AM > > > To: Harshad Khatri > > > Subject: Re: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > About all that ever goes wrong with CDB-650's is bad soldering on the > two > > > large boards, specifically the solder points that connect the top side > > > ground foil to traces on the bottom side of each board. Requires very > > > through resoldering with a good, hot soldering iron. > > > Glad to help out on the Yamaha. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > > To: "Stephen Sank" > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:45 PM > > > Subject: RE: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > > > > > Thanks a million, your cure worked like a charm!!! > > > > > > > > I have now been inspired to open up an old mechanically non-working > > > Magnavox > > > > CD player (CDB650) and attempt to fix it. > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > > > Harshad > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 10:05 PM > > > > To: Harshad Khatri > > > > Subject: Re: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > > > > It's most likely that the platter motor is carbonised, causing bumping > > as > > > it > > > > spins the disc. You just need to get to the underside of it & shoot > it > > up > > > > with some non-conductive silicone spray lubricant. To do it, pop the > > top, > > > > turn it on & open the drawer, turn off, remove 3 screws to remove the > > disc > > > > clamper arm & then remove one screw that holds the pivot end of the > > > > transport lift carriage(the big plastic molding that the transport is > > > > mounted to, which is lifted by the loading cam). Be sure to note how > > the > > > > "nub" of the carriage fits into the lift groove of the cam for putting > > it > > > > back in. Flip the carriage over & the bottom of the platter motor > will > > be > > > > exposed. Spray a healthy dose of silicone spray(Walmart sells one > made > > by > > > > Pennzoil in their auto dept that is suitable) into the opening(s) in > the > > > > bottom of the motor. While you're there, it's not a bad idea to give > > the > > > > tracking motor a spritz as well. Then, put the whole thing back > > together, > > > > start a disc playing, and leave it paused in track 1 for 10 minutes or > > so. > > > > Then play on & see if it's cured. If it ain't, then the next most > > likely > > > > thing is that the laser has gone flakey(if it ain't just a dusty lens) > & > > > you > > > > might as well pronounce it deceased. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Harshad Khatri" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 2:57 PM > > > > Subject: Quick question on a Yamaha CR Changer > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > > > Of late my Yamaha CD-675 Changer has been acting crazy and jumping > all > > > > over > > > > > the track (its about 4 years old). Is there anything I should look > at > > to > > > > ID > > > > > and fix the problem or should I junk it and get a new one. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > > Chicago > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Mar 8 10:33:23 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 16:33:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 Message-ID: <2cbd92e9c8.2e9c82cbd9@indosat.net.id> Chris, iirc there's a 480 schematics on naks ftp. And the next answer is "naktalk" and "limited". =) sm ----- Original Message ----- From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com Date: Thursday, March 7, 2002 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 > Chris- > > Since the machine plays previous tapes fine I'll assume that the > tape path > is in good shape and the heads are clean, so it sounds as if your > bias > oscillator is misbehaving - either it is weak or it is way off > frequency. I > won't have a shematic in front of me until later this evening, so > I'll offer a > few tips then if the problem is still unsolved. > > Regards, > > Tim > > > > On 7 Mar 2002 at 18:39, Chris Davis wrote: > > From: "Chris Davis" > To: > Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 > Date sent: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:39:13 +1000 > Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > > When recording on my 480 everything looks okay (meters move properly > > etc) but playback on both channels is very soft and distorted. > > Erasure of old material is also poor. Prerecorded tapes play > fine. > > Any advice on the likely problem much appreciated. I am fairly tech > > savvy, and have a good CRO etc for diagnostics, but don't currently > > have access to any schematics. > > > > Many thanks > > Chris Davis ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 8 22:44:26 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:44:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rare Leak cassette deck In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001d01c1c6ea$6b1a09c0$d87087d9@a4s1s2> Looksee here, folks! It's an olde world cassette, branded with the name of the ye olde world British "high end" maker, H J Leak. However, they used to re-badge a lot of their equipment and I'm guess that's what this is. Anyone seen this deck before? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336464472 Just outta interest? (Not thinking of buying it ... note the seller says it makes "funny noises"!!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Mar 8 23:15:59 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:15:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rare Leak cassette deck References: <001d01c1c6ea$6b1a09c0$d87087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002301c1c6ee$d3e26430$18756acf@johnrotten> What an ugly blob of plastic. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rare Leak cassette deck > > Looksee here, folks! It's an olde world cassette, branded with the name of > the ye olde world British "high end" maker, H J Leak. However, they used to > re-badge a lot of their equipment and I'm guess that's what this is. Anyone > seen this deck before? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336464472 > Just outta interest? (Not thinking of buying it ... note the seller says it > makes "funny noises"!!! > > Gra' > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c.davis at mailbox.uq.edu.au Sat Mar 9 00:53:09 2002 From: c.davis at mailbox.uq.edu.au (Chris Davis) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:53:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 In-Reply-To: <083b01c1c612$0c8f1860$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000001c1c6fc$9bc4aaa0$990e16ac@fa00044471> Thanks to everyone who has offered help with this. Stephen is right - C302 (4700pF) was internally shorted. Despite this oscillator would still partially fnnction for very brief periods every couple of seconds, so this could present as an intermittent recording problem. I also found C304 was about twice its stated value at about 7uF although I doubt this was significant. Another issue on this deck is the mains hum on playback, heard most easily at high volumes with no cassette in the deck. It completely disappears in pause. Even though not usually heard in playing a recorded tape, like all background noise this can degrade sound quality. I replaced all the power supply electrolytics and found the culprit is the mains transformer. Releasing this and moving it on its leads backwards outside the case solves the hum, (presumably being picked up the tape head) but isn't a really practical solution short of making it an outboard power supply in a seperate case. I did find that pivoting the transformer on its lower fixture from its usual 315 degrees to about 355 and with a slight front down orientation also significantly reduces hum, but not as much as the outboard location. I do note that my Australian 240V transformer has no visible magnetic shielding so it may be a local problem. A reminder if looking at this issue of the need for great care as the mains voltages are on the exposed circut board right near the transformer. All comments / advice welcome. Thanks again Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 5:56 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 > > > Follow the erase head wire back to the circuit board. There, > you will find > the bias oscillator circuit. Next to the oscillator > transformer, you will > see two transistors & three orange film capacitors. Replace the two > "472"(0.0047ufd/100V) orange caps with same value polyester > or polystyrene > film caps. Problem will be fixed. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Davis" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:39 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Recording problem on 480 > > > > When recording on my 480 everything looks okay (meters move > properly etc) > > but playback on both channels is very soft and distorted. > Erasure of old > > material is also poor. Prerecorded tapes play fine. Any > advice on the > > likely problem much appreciated. I am fairly tech savvy, > and have a good > CRO > > etc for diagnostics, but don't currently have access to any > schematics. > > > > Many thanks > > Chris Davis > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 9 03:04:38 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:04:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rare Leak cassette deck References: <001d01c1c6ea$6b1a09c0$d87087d9@a4s1s2> <002301c1c6ee$d3e26430$18756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <0a8801c1c70e$c563b4c0$123442cf@sank1> Pretty scary looking deck. Don't recognise it at all. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rare Leak cassette deck > What an ugly blob of plastic. ;-) > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 4:44 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rare Leak cassette deck > > > > > > Looksee here, folks! It's an olde world cassette, branded with the name > of > > the ye olde world British "high end" maker, H J Leak. However, they used > to > > re-badge a lot of their equipment and I'm guess that's what this is. > Anyone > > seen this deck before? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336464472 > > Just outta interest? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aekresse at erols.com Sat Mar 9 04:49:01 2002 From: aekresse at erols.com (Alan Kresse) Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:49:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] interesting OT Message-ID: <3C89862D.ABE27E08@erols.com> The mad scientist of sound In airplanes or audio equipment, technology for its own sake has no place, says Pierre Sprey, Pentagon bad boy turned music guru. By Dan Fesperman Baltimore Sun March 3, 2002 Your car creeps along the rutted quarter-mile driveway, headlight beams bouncing in the dark through a tunnel of trees and bramble. Awaiting you at the end of the line is a 64-year-old genius named Pierre Sprey - a guy whose airplanes win wars, whose music recordings delight audiophiles, and whose name still makes some three-star generals splutter with rage. After parking your car in the weeds, you grope toward the unlit entrance of a century-old mansion, four white columns across the front porch, plantation-style. This is Sprey's home, his office, his think tank, his recording studio. But, to put it mildly, the place is a shambles. A glance through the front screen reveals peeling paint, cracked plaster, a slab of plywood hanging at a crazy angle from the ceiling. A piano sits in the middle of the living room. Tables and chairs are piled with a riotous clutter of wires, books, boxes, batteries, papers and CDs. There are stereo speakers as tall as Shaquille O'Neal. Ribbons of copper dangle from a hat rack like drying pasta. You are hardly the first visitor to be taken aback. "It looked like a mad scientist's laboratory," recalls congressional staffer Jaron Burke. "My first impression was, how can anyone live here?" says writer Robert Coram. "I was not anywhere near prepared for what we walked into," says mandolin player Tony Williamson. "The guys in my band looked at me like, what have you gotten us into?" "Hey," says Pentagon reformer Chuck Spinney, a longtime buddy of Sprey's, "it's luxurious compared to the house he used to live in." The squalor, though, doesn't matter, they say, and within a few minutes you're inclined to agree. Sprey may well be the most fascinating person you've never heard of. Influential, too, though not in the usual Washington way of lobbyists or politicians. His is the power of the artist or inventor in search of the cutting edge, of the thinker who will pursue a good idea to the edge of reason even as the crowd with all the money and titles herds to the same old places. Doubters of the impact of Sprey's thinking can ask the Iraqi tank commanders whose divisions were decimated by his aeronautic offspring, the A-10 "Warthog." Probably the single most effective weapon in the Persian Gulf War, it was built in spite of an Air Force brass that bemoaned it as too ugly, too simple and, yes, too cheap. Or ask some reviewers for CD Review or other music magazines, a community that regularly raves about the quality of Sprey-engineered CDs. The recordings released by his homegrown Mapleshade Studio make it sound as if a band has assembled for a jam session in your living room. It's an effect he achieves by building his own oddball equipment and ignoring the recording industry's conventional wisdom of mixing boards, overdubs and multi-tracking. Better still, ask the guys who were so appalled to come upon Sprey's tumbledown home, his rented rural outpost in the creeping D.C. suburbia along U.S. 301, just east of Upper Marlboro. Burke, the congressional aide, who discovered Sprey through music but now consults him on military affairs, says, "He's just a radically different thinker, and has a different take on everything." Coram, the writer, who has interviewed most of Sprey's old gang at the Pentagon, says, "He probably has the most intimidating intellect of anyone I've ever met." Williamson, the musician, who coaxed his bluegrass band into recording at Mapleshade, says, "The first playback did it for all of us. We passed the headphones around, listening to the tape, and everybody's jaws just dropped down to their knees." Then there is Spinney, Sprey's one-time partner in Pentagon rebellion: "Pierre goes into things like a rapier. He is the ultimate empiricist." So who cares, then, if his cluttered household will never make the cover of Martha Stewart Living. His mind is moving too quickly to notice the mess. The problem with insulation "That's the way he has always been. He is extremely focused, and everything else just falls by the wayside," says another ex-Pentagon buddy, James Burton, who recounted their struggles to reform the Defense Department in his 1993 book, The Pentagon Wars. But his real magic, according to Chuck Spinney's wife, Alison, is in making visitors forget the surrounding mess as well, whether they've come for a gourmet dinner, a recording session or to discuss the latest logistical capabilities of the U.S. Air Force. Says Alison (who refers to Sprey as "the sexiest man I've ever met" as her husband laughs along): "He's perfectly charming, and he can talk to anyone at any level about anything, and make you feel great about it." Anything? Well, how about stereo speaker cable, a pretty dull topic but one that can get him rolling. It turns out that's what those copper ribbons hanging from his hat rack by the door are. Sprey and engineering buddy Ron Bauman designed them, and sell them in the Mapleshade catalog. Closer inspection shows they're paper thin, and sleeved in something like cellophane. Whatever happened to regular old stranded wire? "We never use stranded wire," Sprey says. "As soon as you put threads of wire together, you start ruining the sound." But what's with the clear insulation? Wouldn't the plastic stuff from Radio Shack be sturdier? "You have to think of a wire as a field," he says, warming to the topic. "A wire is almost like an antenna with a field around it that is expanding and collapsing with the music. And the field around the wire, no matter what the insulation, extends out to several feet. "The problem with insulation is, all of them absorb energy from this field. When the field goes through the plastic, it polarizes molecules in the plastic ... and that means the music is losing a little of its dynamic edge. It takes the excitement out of the music, because the dynamic peaks get compressed a little. And then, even worse, the plastic re-releases the energy. ... But it's delayed, so it's like a smearing. "So, instead of hearing a clean hit of a drumstick, it's a little spread out in time. The pluck of the guitar is not quite so crisp. A singer's sibilance, instead of sounding like a pure breath, it sounds a little like tearing paper." Technical, yes, but somehow palatable. Pick another subject. The war in Afghanistan, for instance. Conventional wisdom says the U.S. Air Force did a bang-up job by flying a relentless stream of missions, right? Sprey, still very plugged in on these matters, shakes his head with a hint of impatience. "It was a very puny effort," he says. "In the Gulf War they were flying 1,000 to 1,200 sorties [missions] a day. In Yugoslavia, they were flying 250 sorties a day. In Afghanistan they were flying 60 sorties a day. It was like a joke of a war. Of course, they were maxed out. It's a sign of where we've gotten, because they were totally constrained by [refueling] tanker capacity. F-18s were tanking six times per mission to get to Afghanistan and back. Taking a drink three times on the way in and three times on the way home. So, with all the might and with all the $300 billion a year, we're only able to deliver 60 sorties a day over Afghanistan." That sort of lecture is vintage Sprey, Burton or Spinney would tell you, a brief pyrotechnic display not only of his Filofax brain but of his world view. "Things are rarely gray with Pierre, they are either black or white," says Burton, now a member of the Loudon County, Va., Board of Supervisors. "He was feared by many in the Pentagon, and greatly disliked by many, because he took no prisoners, he minced no words, and he was usually right." 'I made myself pretty unpopular ... ' Maybe it's in his blood, a French-German heritage offering a double genetic dose of certainty. He was born in Nice in southern France, the son of a classical violinist from the Rhineland. His memories of the Old World are few and fleeting - beaches, mountains, goats. In 1941, when he was 3 and Europe was coming apart under the boot tread of the Nazis, his family moved to New York. He grew up in Queens, attending a high school for the gifted. As a boy he devoured books on famous air aces, not just for the heroic tales but for the technical stuff - their maneuvers and stunts, the way the aerodynamics worked. At age 15 he enrolled at Yale University, double majoring in French literature and mechanical engineering. In summers, he worked for Grumman Aircraft, dreaming of someday designing planes. Evenings, he'd sometimes hang out with local musicians who escorted him into the world of jazz, a smoky, nocturnal realm where the reigning deities were named Dizzy and Dexter, Miles and Bird, Monk and 'Trane. His time at Grumman taught him that it might take 20 years before he'd actually design a plane, so in graduate school he shifted gears, taking a master's in engineering from Cornell in statistics and operations research in the early 1960s. Degree in hand, he moved into a slum apartment on Manhattan's Lower East Side. The rent was cheap, but the place was a dump, so he fixed it up and, with a friend, started a reading center for neighborhood kids. At night he headed out to nearby jazz clubs. In 1966, he moved to Washington, part of a new cadre of analysts being brought together by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara. Dubbed the whiz kids - "young, arrogant and very smart," Sprey says - their mission was to crawl into the deepest regions of the Pentagon budget in search of fat and dysfunction. Sprey was assigned to analyze the way the armed forces moved troops and supplies to the front. At the time, the C-5 transport plane was the hot hauler for the Air Force - expensive, but supposedly state of the art. "I made myself pretty unpopular by pointing out that trucks were much more important than airplanes," Sprey says. "The tonnages moved by airplanes are tiny. Trucks are what count in the theater of war. Well, that wasn't very glamorous for all those guys, so I got fired from that job." He was moved to the NATO group, analyzing all the forces for Europe. "They told me, 'You take tactical air.' So I dove into that." Air Force doctrine then, much like today's, relied heavily on "interdiction bombing," blowing up enemy bridges, supply lines and supporting infrastructure. The enemy at the time was the Soviet Union. Sprey dug up studies that laid out the array of targets in Eastern Europe - "hundreds and hundreds of targets" - and calculated how many missions it would take to destroy them. "It turned out you could have three times as many planes as anybody would ever buy for the Air Force, and the Soviets could still launch an attack with 90 divisions, and reinforce 30 divisions a month." The Air Force wasn't exactly thrilled with the study. A particularly disagreeable colonel brought in the country's top fighter pilot, the legendary John Boyd, to shoot down Sprey's thesis. Not only had Boyd made a science out of fighter pilot skills, he was an analytical genius. Sprey expected "a struggle to the death." But he and Boyd had read the same books on air aces and hit if off. Instead of shooting down Sprey's analysis, Boyd invited him to help with another project, the development of the F-15 fighter. It was a fine partnership, though not without its own dogfights. "We had some knock-down, drag-out battles," Sprey says. "He was incredibly pig-headed, and so was I." In the end, Sprey says, the Air Force "ruined" the F-15. "They put so much [technological] crap on it that, after all the beautiful work he'd done, they ruined it. That's when we decided to go underground as bureaucratic guerrillas, designing the F-16." The result was the world's most maneuverable fighter jet, although it, too, was later "ruined" by additions of expensive and unnecessary features, Sprey says. But bigger things were yet in store for the Boyd-Sprey team. Along with Burton, Spinney and a colonel named Robert Dilger, they began the Pentagon's tumultuous reform movement, announcing their arrival in late 1979 in an article in the Atlantic Monthly titled "Muscle-Bound Super Power." As Burton later explained in his book: "Their goal was to change the military's thinking about people, tactics, and strategy; the kinds of weapons the Pentagon bought; the manner in which these weapons were tested; and the budgetary decision-making process associated with buying and fielding those weapons." The reformers' test of a weapon's effectiveness: How well does it work for the pilot, or for the soldier in the field? That sort of thinking had already produced the A-10, Sprey's proudest achievement. He'd long given up on the idea of becoming an aircraft designer, but backed into the job anyway in the early 1970s, finding himself heading the design team for the Air Force's first and only close support attack plane - a plane for getting down and dirty in support of infantry, going after tanks and artillery at low altitude. Naturally, the Air Force wanted little to do with the project, leaving Sprey's team plenty of autonomy. The result wasn't much to look at. The A-10's wings don't slant prettily as with most fighters. They're perpendicular, and bulky-looking engine tubes are mounted on either side of the body just in front of a wide-finned tail. Its looks earned the nickname Warthog, and its low speed had few pilots clamoring to fly it. But it was built to take a licking from ground fire and keep on ticking, and it was maneuverable enough at low speeds and altitudes to let a pilot easily spot and hit targets. For all that, Air Force brass still hated it, and kept trying to kill the program, even after a test against 500 tanks in the California desert produced stunning results. It was only deployed during the Persian Gulf War in 1991 after the military high command insisted. All it did was out-perform virtually every other weapon. Of 1,500 Iraqi tanks destroyed in the war, the A-10 is credited with taking out 1,100. It also took out about 1,000 of the 1,200 artillery pieces destroyed. Best of all, though, it brought most of its pilots home safely, sometimes after taking repeated hits. Coram tells of a video showing an A-10 returning from an attack with holes in the wing. "The pilot dismounts, kisses the aircraft then runs like hell," Coram says. "Pierre saw that, and I think it was one of the great moments in his life. He is just a great patriot, and I think he has accomplished more for this country than any 10 generals who never did anything but get promoted." Sprey has few good things to say about most of the rest of the Air Force's arsenal. Stealth aircraft? An expensive folly. Hard to fly. And anything but stealthy. Today's other fighters? "A fighter airplane today is just a technology laundry list," he says with dismay. "It's not something to execute a mission and shoot down other airplanes. It's just there to carry technology and to create a vehicle to funnel money to defense contractors." Wildlife in the Steinway All through his years as a Pentagon employee and consultant, Sprey stayed in touch with the world of jazz, kept befriending musicians, and in the mid-1970s, began carting a reel-to-reel tape machine to clubs to record his friends in action. "At that point I wasn't anxious to create the world's greatest sound," he says. "I wasn't even an audiophile. It was mainly kind of an archival instinct to record great stuff that I'd attended." It would be left to his old buddy from the A-10 project, Bob Dilger, to turn Sprey into an audiophile, a true believer in high-end stereo components. It happened in the early 1980s. By then Dilger was a Pentagon outcast. He'd put his engineering skills to work re-designing an expensive stereo turntable. Sprey scoffed at the $1,000 price tag. "Give me a break," he'd say. "I can get one for fifty bucks and it turns the records at the same speed." Then one day, while visiting Sprey in Washington, Dilger set up a high-end stereo system in the living room and asked Sprey to take a listen. "It took all of about 45 seconds," Dilger recalls. "And he said, 'I have been converted.' " For Sprey, it was a revelation, "an order of sound I'd never heard before," and he quickly upgraded the equipment for his recording sessions at clubs. A few years later, another friend nudged him further. It was Shirley Horne, a singer-pianist he'd taped many times. Sprey had an old piano lying around in his apartment that he thought she might be interested in playing, a 1911 Steinway left behind by an ex-girlfriend. Trouble was, it was falling apart. "There were cracks in the case," he recalls. "Wildlife inside. And I was starting to feel very guilty about it." He hired some guys to rebuild it, and when they returned it four months later he called Horne. She fell in love with it, he says. "So I said just treat it as yours. Play as late as you want. ... One night about 3 she's sitting at the piano and she says, 'Pierre, baby, I want to make my next record on this piano, and I want you to be my engineer.' " Sprey was then living elsewhere in Prince Georges County, another big old house called Mapleshade. They spent two weekends recording. "We had a ball," Sprey says. "Shirley brought in some friends, some of her drinking buddies. And we cooked, and served food and just had a great time. So I decided to hang out my shingle as a weekend studio." He was still doing military consulting, and the more he looked at the music business, the more it reminded him of what had gone wrong at the Pentagon. He was determined never to fall into the trap that seemed to have ensnared the recording industry - a blind (or perhaps deaf) devotion to new technology for its own sake. "Essentially, all the technology you have today works to hurt the music," Sprey says. "It makes life convenient for engineers. It allows you to take people who can't make music very well and allows a lot of them to sound pretty good." But all those electronic bells and whistles - the extra reverb, the extra equalization, the compression, all those things so convenient for engineers - "take a little life out of the music. And by the time you've applied 50 or a hundred of those things, the music doesn't sound anything like it would if it were played in your living room." Top-notch jazz talent was soon knocking on his door. Saxophonist Clifford Jordan came. So did sax great Hamiet Bluiett. Pianist Walter Davis Jr. stepped inside the house, took one look at the clutter and the strange equipment and said, "Ah, Edison's lab." Within three years, Sprey had let his consulting business die and was recording full-time. He saw that he also needed to start his own record label, "otherwise these master tapes were never going to see the light of day." His home soon became a hangout as much as a studio. Musicians stayed overnight. He cooked for them, drank with them, never put them on a clock. "I make that a matter of principle," he says. "We record as long as anyone wants to play. We start as late as you want or as early as you want. I've had sessions where Clifford Jordan started at 8 or 9 in the evening and went until 11 the next morning." The only missing piece in Sprey's formula was someone who could help produce the recordings, a calming personality who could help regulate the occasionally volatile chemistry between performers. The answer was pianist Larry Willis, a fine musician and composer in his own right, who now lives at the house when he's not touring. Technologically, Sprey's recording technique, like his airplanes, is deceptively simple. He records on two tracks, not 32. Analog, not digital. His custom-built microphones look like spatulas or funny little boxes. There's all that weird wiring. And he doesn't use a mixing board - or overdubs, compression, noise reduction or reverb. If that sounds primitive on paper, so did the A-10. The proof is in the results. "Sprey's Mapleshade recordings are excellent," raved Down Beat magazine, "featuring a crisp, live sound." "Something important is happening in Upper Marlboro," said CD Review. "To sit down with a small stack of your very first Mapleshades is a revelation." 'Like a mad scientist' On a warm night late last summer - Sept. 10, as fate would have it, before Sprey's attention would be diverted to matters of air sorties and fuel capacity in the skies of Afghanistan - we find Sprey and Willis hard at work with a crew of musicians. Singer Selena McDay is here to belt out some tunes with a small band led by Artie Sherman on a Hammond B3, the organ with a calliope roll heard in everything from gospel to "Green Onions." McDay had heard about Sprey's studio, but still wasn't quite prepared for what she saw when she walked in the door - a phenomenon Sprey calls "Mapleshade culture shock." He has set her up with a mike in the entrance hall, where the wood floor and open space gives her voice better resonance. Sherman warms up on the B3 a few feet away. The drummer sets up on a raised platform atop cinderblocks, beneath the angled sheet of plywood. McDay points to the copper ribbons that still dangle from the hat rack. "I thought those were insect strips when I first saw them," she says with a laugh. "I'm not easily impressed, but I'm in awe. One thing I'll say, there's nothing traditional here." That includes the business arrangements. McDay has brought a fax with her. It's from Sprey, and says, in part, "Selena - Here's the standard Mapleshade contract; feel free to improve." For the moment, Sprey is tweaking and adjusting microphones, puttering around the room in battered white sneakers, khaki shorts and a sport shirt, silver hair gleaming in the dim light. He crouches with a flashlight tucked between his knees, peering at a microphone through a pair of magnifying glasses with a head lamp. "He really does look like a mad scientist," McDay says. A few minutes later, he checks to see if everything is ready. McDay's allergies are acting up, so he offers a glass of ginger ale, with fresh ginger grated into the glass. Before the recording starts he shuts down the refrigerator, the furnace and any other appliance that might muddy the current for the reel-to-reel recorder. His other equipment runs off packets of D-cell batteries that Sprey has painstakingly assembled. Just another night at Mapleshade, in other words. Move ahead a few months later, to a chilly night in January. The brambles and trees lining the long dirt driveway are bare and waving in the moonlight. Willis, who will soon be touring again, sits at the piano, tinkering with a composition, scribbling notes as he tests a few bars on the keyboard. When he stops for a break, Sprey gets him a beer and a chilled mug to go with it, then fetches a bowl of homemade chili and a mug of tea for a visitor. Sitting nearby is one of his latest audio products - blocks of solid maple to place beneath your stereo components. He and his buddy Bauman tested several materials and concluded this was the best, so they purchase a supply of maple that gets cut at a small sawmill down the highway, then planed by some Amish guys using water-powered equipment. Otherwise, none of the clutter seems to have moved an inch since September, and the cushions on the couch still slide out from under you if you sit there for more than a few minutes. But Sprey is still oblivious to it all, still focused on his music, his friends and whatever else might be darting around in his mind. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 9 09:41:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 08:41:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] interesting OT In-Reply-To: <3C89862D.ABE27E08@erols.com> Message-ID: <003701c1c746$3042b200$d87087d9@a4s1s2> VERY interesting. Thanks for posting! Graham -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Mar 9 09:55:50 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 00:55:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] interesting OT References: <3C89862D.ABE27E08@erols.com> Message-ID: <3C89CE16.96206E47@earthlink.net> Wow, thanks for the great read, Alan! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Mar 9 11:00:59 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:00:59 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D4F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's absolutely hillarious! Thanks for the laugh Jim. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [mailto:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Friday, 8 March 2002 7:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition You gotta trust this rich Swiss, his feedback shows he recently bought 6 police academy videos and 10 Original Dick und Doof Videos :) Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 March 2002 00:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Ah, John - the dream bit is that you have to IMAGINE how good the gold finish is! Plus, may be they will buy the camera on the proceeds of the sale of the cassette deck .... (Believe that and you'll believe anything...) My DAT is still sulking. I think I've beggared a circuit board by scratching through the etched circuit ... No surprise, what with my elephant style with screw driver and soldering iron! (Don't ask me to fix anything, guys ... ) Grrrrrra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 08 March 2002 12:28 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition I don't buy into the dream bit. Either Niina is too tight to buy a camera to photograph it, in which case any buyer should be really suspicious of its provenance, or (my own take) s/he is too embarrassed by the gold finish to display it. How is your sulking DAT machine? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 07 March, 2002 23:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Edition Here it is for those with the money and for those of us who just like to dream ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1336149701 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Perhaps their retail stores will have the shorter length, but does anyone have other suggestions??? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 10 10:02:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:02:22 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need cheap Toslink cable In-Reply-To: <20020309.211139.-257947.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001a01c1c812$4a252780$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> Joe e-mail some of the cable specialists in line - quite a few have second hand stock. I got myself a nice phono lead for my old Lenco TT that way. Graham - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marc.di.meo at skynet.be Sun Mar 10 11:13:39 2002 From: marc.di.meo at skynet.be (Di Meo Marc) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:13:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need cheap Toslink cable In-Reply-To: <20020309.211139.-257947.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Joe, You may want to check this http://www.optibits.de/shop/produkte/kabel_en.html I got my cable from here, cheap and quick delivery. Regards Marc -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: zondag 10 maart 2002 03:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: need cheap Toslink cable I'm sure someone here will have a suggestion on this. I need a real CHEAP Toslink cable that will be used temporarily to make sure a transport works properly. I'll probably use it for two weeks and never touch it again. I just found out that Radio Shack wants $25 for a 3 ft. cable! I know the cheapo companies like Recoton make them, but I don't know what store in the US stocks them. I noticed the Best Buy web site lists the Recoton Toslink for $20, but only in a 12 ft. length. So I assume the 3 ft. length should be around $10 (my price range) if I can find one. Perhaps their retail stores will have the shorter length, but does anyone have other suggestions??? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 10 12:46:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:46:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum .... In-Reply-To: <20020309.211139.-257947.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> Any advice? I have a mains hum. I've earthed the lead between pre-amp and power amp - it's a little better but still there. Just about every source is earthed. Now, here is the curious bit (for me!) I earthed the pre-amp and the hum increased in volume. I removed that earth connection and the hum decreased. What do you think might be the problem?? Graham - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 10 14:01:09 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:01:09 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Graphite choke filters In-Reply-To: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002401c1c833$a5cac060$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> Anyone (Ron perhaps?) done any measurements with these things attached and not attached to cables? Is there any measured improvements in sound quality, i.e. to justify claimed RF reduction? Or is this another bottle of snake oil? (I notice that many PC to printer interconnects come with them fitted as standard.) Graham PS If I've asked this before, sorry! I have a problem with my memory at the moment and I can't always recall what I have or have not done or said ... or even who I know sometimes! It's a bit embarrassing! Perhaps old age is coming a bit sooner than usual in my case! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Sun Mar 10 14:40:01 2002 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:40:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Graphite choke filters Message-ID: <200203100840_MC3-F508-755F@compuserve.com> they are not graphite, they are ferrite. on PC cables at least, there are some situations where it is a make or break difference between a reliable connection and useless. however, these are with digital signals in the megahertz range or much higher. it really depends a huge amount on the degree of RF you are subject to. the most common case where these are absolutely required on audio cables are when you live near a radio transmitter transmitting any variant of AM audio. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From caldwell at cvtel.net Sun Mar 10 16:29:29 2002 From: caldwell at cvtel.net (Scott Caldwell) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:29:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: RCA interconnect w/12dB attenuation Message-ID: <3C8B2779.16129.380F93@localhost> A while back there was a post that mentioned RCA interconnects w/12dB attenuation for use between a CD player and the preamp. Does anyone know of a US source for a cable set like this? Thanks, Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I > am using it in mono mode for the time being. > My question, is this tuner worth fixing or would my money be better > spent looking for one of the tuners on Stephen's list of > recommended components? > > Thanks, > Scott > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From taiyosan at aaahawk.com Sun Mar 10 19:36:38 2002 From: taiyosan at aaahawk.com (Taiyo Lipscomb) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:36:38 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] The mad scientist of sound ... In-Reply-To: <200203090436.FAA04154@zebra.naks.com> References: <200203090436.FAA04154@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Alan, Thanks for the article ... when i first saw it on Naktalk i wondered what it was doing here - but it quickly became clear what it was about. I looked at the website, Mapleshade.com, which is quite inspiring and has some wonderful music to offer - thank again Alan. Taiyo ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From FabFourFan at nme.com Sun Mar 10 20:09:24 2002 From: FabFourFan at nme.com (FabFourFan) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:09:24 GMT Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM tuner query In-Reply-To: <3C8B2996.23530.4050F5@localhost> References: <3C8B2996.23530.4050F5@localhost> Message-ID: <3c8cae2c.15430285@mail.voicenet.com> Scott, That sounds like a very unusual failure mode for an FM-5. Have you looked inside to check for obvious wiring faults? If that doesn't help, I'll pull a manual and take a deeper look. Mike Patrick \ FabFourFan \had a previous life as Dynaco Technical Correspondent way back when :-) On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:38:30 -0600, you wrote: >I have a Dyna FM-5 that just recently lost one channel (left output). I >am using it in mono mode for the time being. >My question, is this tuner worth fixing or would my money be better >spent looking for one of the tuners on Stephen's list of >recommended components? > >Thanks, >Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 10 20:36:12 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:36:12 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: LUXMAN VACUUM TURNTABLE In-Reply-To: <002301c1c856$dd7acdc0$a6021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <006d01c1c86a$d6326500$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> TT freaks have a looksee at this .... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337159610 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 10 21:01:23 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:01:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: need cheap Toslink cable References: <20020309.211139.-257947.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C8BBB93.121EAAFD@concentric.net> josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > I'm sure someone here will have a suggestion on this. I need a real > CHEAP Toslink cable that will be used temporarily to make sure a > transport works properly. I'll probably use it for two weeks and never > touch it again. > > I just found out that Radio Shack wants $25 for a 3 ft. cable! I know > the cheapo companies like Recoton make them, but I don't know what store > in the US stocks them. I noticed the Best Buy web site lists the Recoton > Toslink for $20, but only in a 12 ft. length. So I assume the 3 ft. > length should be around $10 (my price range) if I can find one. Perhaps > their retail stores will have the shorter length, but does anyone have > other suggestions??? > > Thanks, > Joe Marketek (800-522-2025) carries TosLink cables in 2ft ($14), 3ft ($16), 6.6ft ($27) and 16.5ft ($45). My catalog is old, so I am not sure whether these prices are still valid. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 10 21:28:28 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:28:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum .... References: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C8BC1EC.39EDAEC1@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Any advice? I have a mains hum. I've earthed the lead between pre-amp and > power amp - it's a little better but still there. Just about every source > is earthed. Could be this is your problem. If more than one unit is grounded (oooops... I meant, earthed) you could be creating a ground loop, that, in an electrically noisy environment, could cause some nasty, difficult to get rid of, hum. The 'correct' way to hook up equipment is to ground (use 3 pronged plug) only one unit -- preferably, the power amp or receiver. If two must be grounded (say, if you have a dual channel and a triple channel power amps) is to run the line cord from one unit to the second, then twist both cords together and run them to a duplex wall outlet. All other units should use an ungrounded (two pronged) line plug. In addition, interconnects should be bunched together into a neat harness. Those that are two long, coil the surplus and tie it with the harness. > Now, here is the curious bit (for me!) I earthed the pre-amp and the hum > increased in volume. I removed that earth connection and the hum decreased. Makes sense. When chassis grounds of two pieces of equipment are tied together (as they must be) through the interconnects ground lead or shield and, in addition, they are also tied together through the line cords, a loop is formed (unit A, through interconnect to unit B, through line cord to the wall outlet, through house ground to the other outlet, through the line cord back to the unit A). This loop acts as a single turn of wire, that has an inductance associated with it. The larger the inductance, the more it picks a hum signal from ambient magnetic fields. It so happens that loop inductance is directly proportional to loop area. Thus, by reducing the loop area, you reduce hum pick up. In addition, reducing magnetic and electric fields in the listening room is a good idea. Unfortunately, this is not always an easy (or even practical) approach. -- Ron > What do you think might be the problem?? > > Graham > > - > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun Mar 10 21:42:34 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:42:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Graphite choke filters References: <002401c1c833$a5cac060$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C8BC53A.6686B154@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Anyone (Ron perhaps?) done any measurements with these things attached and > not attached to cables? Yes. Actually, each type ferrite bead has specs that characterize it. Basically, ferrite beads increase the cable inductance, thus reducing its response to high RF. > Is there any measured improvements in sound > quality, i.e. to justify claimed RF reduction? I am not sure about sound quality improvement, but if you had whistles and squeals before and they are are now gone, then the improvement is obvious. If, OTOH, you had no problem without the beads, I tend to doubt they have actually improved the sound. Rest assured they won't harm it, either. > Or is this another bottle of snake oil? (I notice > that many PC to printer interconnects come with them > fitted as standard.) Snake oil - no!. For a printer, the PC plus printer probably doesn't pass FCC class B (VDE, for you forinners :-) ) without them, but the equipment will still work fine, even though you may not be able to watch TV in the same room. -- Ron > > Graham > > PS > > If I've asked this before, sorry! I have a problem with my memory at the > moment and I can't always recall what I have or have not done or said ... or > even who I know sometimes! It's a bit embarrassing! Perhaps old age is > coming a bit sooner than usual in my case! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 10 22:20:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:20:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum .... In-Reply-To: <3C8BC1EC.39EDAEC1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <007f01c1c879$64f28d20$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> That's excellent, Ron - thank you very much! Graham -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 22:26:26 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:26:26 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum (and a systematic upgrade methodology) References: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> <3C8BC1EC.39EDAEC1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3C8BCF81.65C926F5@earthlink.net> Two additional points: Be careful when lifting the earth ground on some components. Safety can become an issue. Underwriters Labs (UL) most likely would not underwrite a design that didn't include an earth ground. Also, many interconnect cables have their shield disconnected on one end. Components that are "lifted" on the AC line and through the interconnects are not grounded at all. Be careful. Components have earth grounds for a reason. Having said that, I personally only lift a ground in a system when it is required. When I do, I first make sure that the interconnects' shielding is chassis grounded on both ends and then lift the ground, one component at a time, until I find the components whose earth ground is causing the loop. Three-prong-to-two-prong AC adapters can have a serious effect on sound quality. I was in a customer's listening room a couple of days ago A/Bing the new Shunyata Hydra power line distribution device against the PS Audio P600 power regenerator. As we were disconnecting his AC cables from the PS Audio, I noticed that he had both of his monoblocks lifted with AC adapters. I assumed that if he had a ground problem with the PS Audio, he would with the Shunyata too, so we left the AC adapters on the monoblocks and connected them and the rest of his system to the Shunyata. Upon listening with the Shunyata in place, everything sounded cloudy, merky, veiled, creaming, syrupy and sugary sweet. I am very familiar with the sound of the Shunyata and was extremely surprised that it didn't improve upon the sound vis a vis the PS Audio. Almost intuitively, I asked my customer if we could experiment by disconnecting the AC adapters from the monoblocks, which were plugged into the Shunyata. We turned off his monoblocks, pulled the adapters and then turned the amps back on. I put my ear up against the panels of his modified Quad ESL-63 and heard zero noise. It was obvious that the adapters weren't needed with the Shunyata (why, I have no idea). We then sat down for another listen. He hit play on his CEC transport and bam! Transparency for days!! Everything sounded silky smooth, resolved, much much air between the musicians, placement was wider and deeper and high frequency extension increased by 100%! (Ron must be cringing as he reads this!) I kid you not, the overall improvement was at least 150%!! The more I experiment with power line products, high current dedicated AC circuits, etc, the more I realize importance. I still place room acoustics at the top of the importance hierarchy, then an appropriate loudspeaker given the acoustics of said room, then the appropriate amplifier given said speaker, then speaker cables. Then find the proper speaker and listening positions. Then spend some money on a dedicated, high current AC circuit, power distribution and AC cables. Once you have arrived to this point in the upgrade process, you have come to terms with the largest variables in any system and are now in a position to truly appreciate the difference a quality digital front end, preamp and interconnects can make. Start at the digital source and upgrade (if need be) from there, forward, through the signal path until you have addressed every component and cable in your system. This is the structured upgrade path that I recommend to every one of my customers. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Any advice? I have a mains hum. I've earthed the lead between pre-amp and > > power amp - it's a little better but still there. Just about every source > > is earthed. > > Could be this is your problem. If more than one unit > is grounded (oooops... I meant, earthed) you could be > creating a ground loop, that, in an electrically noisy > environment, could cause some nasty, difficult to get > rid of, hum. > > The 'correct' way to hook up equipment is to ground (use > 3 pronged plug) only one unit -- preferably, the power > amp or receiver. If two must be grounded (say, if you > have a dual channel and a triple channel power amps) is > to run the line cord from one unit to the second, then > twist both cords together and run them to a duplex wall > outlet. All other units should use an ungrounded (two > pronged) line plug. > > In addition, interconnects should be bunched together > into a neat harness. Those that are two long, coil the > surplus and tie it with the harness. > > > Now, here is the curious bit (for me!) I earthed the pre-amp and the hum > > increased in volume. I removed that earth connection and the hum decreased. > > Makes sense. > > When chassis grounds of two pieces of equipment are tied > together (as they must be) through the interconnects ground > lead or shield and, in addition, they are also tied together > through the line cords, a loop is formed (unit A, through > interconnect to unit B, through line cord to the wall > outlet, > through house ground to the other outlet, through the line > cord back to the unit A). This loop acts as a single turn of > wire, that has an inductance associated with it. The larger > the inductance, the more it picks a hum signal from ambient > magnetic fields. It so happens that loop inductance is > directly proportional to loop area. Thus, by reducing the > loop area, you reduce hum pick up. > > In addition, reducing magnetic and electric fields in the > listening room is a good idea. Unfortunately, this is not > always an easy (or even practical) approach. > > -- Ron > > > What do you think might be the problem?? > > > > Graham > > > > - > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Basically, ferrite beads increase the > cable inductance, thus reducing its response to high > RF. > > > Is there any measured improvements in sound > > quality, i.e. to justify claimed RF reduction? > > I am not sure about sound quality improvement, but > if you had whistles and squeals before and they are > are now gone, then the improvement is obvious. If, > OTOH, you had no problem without the beads, I tend > to doubt they have actually improved the sound. Rest > assured they won't harm it, either. > > > Or is this another bottle of snake oil? (I notice > > that many PC to printer interconnects come with them > > fitted as standard.) > > Snake oil - no!. For a printer, the PC plus printer > probably doesn't pass FCC class B (VDE, for you > forinners :-) ) without them, but the equipment > will still work fine, even though you may not be > able to watch TV in the same room. > > -- Ron > > > > > Graham > > > > PS > > > > If I've asked this before, sorry! I have a problem with my memory at the > > moment and I can't always recall what I have or have not done or said ... or > > even who I know sometimes! It's a bit embarrassing! Perhaps old age is > > coming a bit sooner than usual in my case! > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Caldwell" To: Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM tuner query > I have a Dyna FM-5 that just recently lost one channel (left output). I > am using it in mono mode for the time being. > My question, is this tuner worth fixing or would my money be better > spent looking for one of the tuners on Stephen's list of > recommended components? > > Thanks, > Scott > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Problem is that this chip is >looooong discontinued, so finding one is a bitch. It could just be a dried >up electrolytic coupling cap, though. Overall, though, I'd say it is >certainly not worth paying anyone to fix, but a "no risk" DIY project. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Quoting Graham Nelson : > TT freaks have a looksee at this .... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337159610 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I fervently hope that any 'audiophile quality' device is adequate in this respect. > Also, many interconnect cables have their shield disconnected > on one end. Components that are "lifted" on the AC line and > through the interconnects are not grounded at all. Such cables still have an internal ground connection. They wouldn't work otherwise. So, yes, they do provide grounding (albeit, probably not adequate in case of internal shorts). > Be careful. Components have earth grounds for a reason. > > Having said that, I personally only lift a ground in a system > when it is required. When I do, I first make sure that the > interconnects' shielding is chassis grounded on both ends > and then lift the ground, one component at a time, until I > find the components whose earth ground is causing the loop. > > Three-prong-to-two-prong AC adapters can have a serious effect > on sound quality. I was in a customer's listening room a couple > of days ago A/Bing the new Shunyata Hydra power line > distribution device against the PS Audio P600 power regenerator. > As we were disconnecting his AC cables from the PS Audio, I > noticed that he had both of his monoblocks lifted with > AC adapters. I assumed that if he had a ground problem with > the PS Audio, he would with the Shunyata too, so we left the > AC adapters on the monoblocks and connected them and the > rest of his system to the Shunyata. > > Upon listening with the Shunyata in place, everything sounded > cloudy, merky, veiled, creaming, syrupy and sugary sweet. I am > very familiar with the sound of the Shunyata and was extremely > surprised that it didn't improve upon the sound vis a vis the > PS Audio. Almost intuitively, I asked my customer if we could > experiment by disconnecting the AC adapters from the monoblocks, > which were plugged into the Shunyata. We turned off his > monoblocks, pulled the adapters and then turned the amps back > on. I put my ear up against the panels of his modified Quad > ESL-63 and heard zero noise. It was obvious that the adapters > weren't needed with the Shunyata (why, I have no idea). We > then sat down for another listen. He hit play on his CEC > transport and bam! Transparency for days!! Everything sounded > silky smooth, resolved, much much air between the musicians, > placement was wider and deeper and high frequency extension > increased by 100%! (Ron must be cringing as he reads this!) No, just laughing my head off. Do you realize you are saying that grounding the amps to power line had an effect on high frequency response? As a confirmed atheist, I'll state that they probably have a greater effect on the weather... > I kid you not, the overall improvement was at least 150%!! > > The more I experiment with power line products, high current > dedicated AC circuits, etc, the more I realize importance. > I still place room acoustics at the top of the importance > hierarchy, then an appropriate loudspeaker given the > acoustics of said room, then the appropriate amplifier > given said speaker, then speaker cables. Then find the > proper speaker and listening positions. Then spend some > money on a dedicated, high current AC circuit, power > distribution and AC cables. I easily agree with you that order of importance is: First, room acoustics. Second, speaker quality. Third, power amps. But, that's where we part -- I believe that speaker cables (provided they are adequate) are a moot point. The same can be said about the power line: *once adequate*, it has NO effect on sound, unless the equipment is pure caca. But then, we've gone this path before, so nothing is new... Have a nice day, -- Ron > Once you have arrived to > this point in the upgrade process, you have come to terms > with the largest variables in any system and are > now in a position to truly appreciate the difference a > quality digital front end, preamp and interconnects can > make. Start at the digital source and upgrade (if need be) > from there, forward, through the signal path until you have > addressed every component and cable in your system. This is > the structured upgrade path that I recommend to every one > of my customers. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > Any advice? I have a mains hum. I've earthed the lead between pre-amp and > > > power amp - it's a little better but still there. Just about every source > > > is earthed. > > > > Could be this is your problem. If more than one unit > > is grounded (oooops... I meant, earthed) you could be > > creating a ground loop, that, in an electrically noisy > > environment, could cause some nasty, difficult to get > > rid of, hum. > > > > The 'correct' way to hook up equipment is to ground (use > > 3 pronged plug) only one unit -- preferably, the power > > amp or receiver. If two must be grounded (say, if you > > have a dual channel and a triple channel power amps) is > > to run the line cord from one unit to the second, then > > twist both cords together and run them to a duplex wall > > outlet. All other units should use an ungrounded (two > > pronged) line plug. > > > > In addition, interconnects should be bunched together > > into a neat harness. Those that are two long, coil the > > surplus and tie it with the harness. > > > > > Now, here is the curious bit (for me!) I earthed the pre-amp and the hum > > > increased in volume. I removed that earth connection and the hum decreased. > > > > Makes sense. > > > > When chassis grounds of two pieces of equipment are tied > > together (as they must be) through the interconnects ground > > lead or shield and, in addition, they are also tied together > > through the line cords, a loop is formed (unit A, through > > interconnect to unit B, through line cord to the wall > > outlet, > > through house ground to the other outlet, through the line > > cord back to the unit A). This loop acts as a single turn of > > wire, that has an inductance associated with it. The larger > > the inductance, the more it picks a hum signal from ambient > > magnetic fields. It so happens that loop inductance is > > directly proportional to loop area. Thus, by reducing the > > loop area, you reduce hum pick up. > > > > In addition, reducing magnetic and electric fields in the > > listening room is a good idea. Unfortunately, this is not > > always an easy (or even practical) approach. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > What do you think might be the problem?? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > - > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Mar 11 17:54:27 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:54:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM tuner query References: <3C8B2996.23530.4050F5@localhost> <0c2701c1c889$7959fd60$123442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C8CE143.2687F2F9@concentric.net> Stephen, The FM-5 is a classic. The issue is not just monetary. Also, in good condition it's worth maybe $150 but with a dead channel it's worth zero. Here's what I'd do: put a signal tracer on both output pins of the 1307. If one is dead, I would try to locate a new 1307 (there was a National equivalent, I do not recall the type number). If both outputs are alive, the problem lies with the output driver -- a comparatively easy circuit to troubleshoot. If you do a search on the web for Dyna FM-5, you'll find the schematic and parts list. Good luck, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The problem is not unlikely to be a bad LM1307 multiplex chip. I've seen > these fail in FM-5's more than a few times. Problem is that this chip is > looooong discontinued, so finding one is a bitch. It could just be a dried > up electrolytic coupling cap, though. Overall, though, I'd say it is > certainly not worth paying anyone to fix, but a "no risk" DIY project. Not > a great tuner by any stretch. In fact, there aren't many tuners I would put > beneath it in quality, other than the obvious cheap garbage ones. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Caldwell" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 8:38 AM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: FM tuner query > > > I have a Dyna FM-5 that just recently lost one channel (left output). I > > am using it in mono mode for the time being. > > My question, is this tuner worth fixing or would my money be better > > spent looking for one of the tuners on Stephen's list of > > recommended components? > > > > Thanks, > > Scott ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Mar 11 19:14:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:14:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum (and ht speakers phase) References: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> <3C8BC1EC.39EDAEC1@concentric.net> <3C8BCF81.65C926F5@earthlink.net> <3C8CDBD1.7C68061A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000601c1c928$baa2f0c0$55289bca@smarzuki> A bit offline for a minute .... Ron, i plugged my amp's cord to the wall with nothing else connected to it and amp's chassis reads 3-10 Vac to the ground / my finger. However, when i reversed the AC socket / plug, the chassis' voltage can go up as high as 30-60 Vac !! That could be dangerous to some internal parts, is that right ? I used to 'lift' ground connection from wall to prevent hum, but in the end i spent a lot of times checking which components got the ac plug 'reversed' (unlike in the US, sockets don't have marked 'polarity' over here). Now i ground the preamp (only) but still wonder about the effect if one of the equipment's plug is not properly oriented. And an unrelated topic: what is the best / easiest way to check correct phase of all 5 HT speakers ? I just realised that when engaging denon's '5 ch stereo', the bass dissapeared. Fronts & center are quite easy, but once the sub is connected, checking bass notes with various setup got boring and painful after 15 minutes. =) (my ht mix is avr1800, kef 104.2, paradigm cc300, diy sub and yamaha rear). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mains hum (and a systematic upgrade methodology) Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Two additional points: > > Be careful when lifting the earth ground on some components. > Safety can become an issue. Underwriters Labs (UL) most likely > would not underwrite a design that didn't include an > earth ground. There are zillions of UL approved devices with two pronged plugs. Safety really depends on the quality of insulation and grounding for safety sake is only required when the internal insulation is questionable. I fervently hope that any 'audiophile quality' device is adequate in this respect. > Also, many interconnect cables have their shield disconnected > on one end. Components that are "lifted" on the AC line and > through the interconnects are not grounded at all. Such cables still have an internal ground connection. They wouldn't work otherwise. So, yes, they do provide grounding (albeit, probably not adequate in case of internal shorts). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Scott Caldwell [SMTP:caldwell at cvtel.net] Sent: Sunday, 10 March, 2002 15:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: RCA interconnect w/12dB attenuation A while back there was a post that mentioned RCA interconnects w/12dB attenuation for use between a CD player and the preamp. Does anyone know of a US source for a cable set like this? Thanks, Scott ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 11 23:48:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:48:04 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: RCA interconnect w/12dB attenuation In-Reply-To: <01C1C939.D6951D60.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <003901c1c94e$ce338700$833d87d9@a4s1s2> Actually, I think Russ offers the 30 day trial to anyone. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 11 March 2002 08:16 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: RCA interconnect w/12dB attenuation Scott I don't know of a US source, but Russ Andrews accessories in the UK (www.russandrews.com) does them for a reasonable price. They are simply made by soldering small resistors into one end of a standard Kimber Kable interconnect. I have one pair, and it proved essential when I was using a vintage valve amp. (I haven't really tried it yet with a more modern set-up) Russ offers a 30 day trial or return service, at least to his UK customers. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Scott Caldwell [SMTP:caldwell at cvtel.net] Sent: Sunday, 10 March, 2002 15:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: RCA interconnect w/12dB attenuation A while back there was a post that mentioned RCA interconnects w/12dB attenuation for use between a CD player and the preamp. Does anyone know of a US source for a cable set like this? Thanks, Scott ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Have you been neglecting your wife, listening to your stereo while she uses a vibrator? ________________ Marc Stager ============================= At 3/11/02, you wrote: >I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the >interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it >the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something >else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose >the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, >clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that >damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > >Graham > >- > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 12 00:19:16 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:19:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311175926.01fb4ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <003b01c1c953$2a031c40$833d87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Marc The answers are below in BOLD: -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 11 March 2002 11:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mains hum Graham, What type of cable is it? Shielded? Nor shielded?Shielded Have you tried running it in a different path, maybe it is getting hum from a nearby AC line? Yes - been careful to route it past AC lines Is the equipment at both ends grounded at the mains?If so try a ground lift on one - you have a ground loop.Tried both ways - doesn't seem to make any difference Is it tube equipment? The pre-amp is tube, the power amps are solid state Is the hum the same volume regardless of level setting? Still there with the volume control down all the way?Yes On phono input only or all inputs? This is only on the pre-amp to power amp Have you been neglecting your wife, listening to your stereo while she uses a vibrator?LOL! NO, she's neglecting me - I've not even seen her for 6 months!!! ________________ Marc Stager ============================= At 3/11/02, you wrote: >I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the >interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it >the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something >else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose >the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, >clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that >damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > >Graham > >- > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:19:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum References: <3C8CDBD1.7C68061A@concentric.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311175926.01fb4ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <002c01c1c95b$a50771e0$18756acf@johnrotten> I had to do a double take on that last line, that's terrible, like something I would say ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mains hum > Graham, > > What type of cable is it? Shielded? Nor shielded? > Have you tried running it in a different path, maybe it is > getting hum from a nearby AC line? > > Is the equipment at both ends grounded at the mains? > If so try a ground lift on one - you have a ground loop. > Is it tube equipment? Is the hum the same volume > regardless of level setting? Still there with the volume > control down all the way? > > On phono input only or all inputs? Have you been > neglecting your wife, listening to your stereo while she > uses a vibrator? > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ============================= > > At 3/11/02, you wrote: > >I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the > >interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it > >the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something > >else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose > >the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, > >clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that > >damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > > > >Graham > > > >- > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Mon Mar 11 23:02:44 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (erikvcl at silcom.com) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:02:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] [OT] 8cm CD adapter Message-ID: Hi, I have a really off-topic question, but I've tried many internet searches with no success. I'm looking for those adapters that you could put 8cm CD in a tray intended for a 12cm CD. This is less important for those who have tray-loading CD players but essential if you're trying to use small CDs in caddies or some car CD players. Do any of you know where I could find something like this? I know they used to make them. I also know that Sony distributes this adapter with their new digital cameras that record to 8cm CD-R disks. Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Tue Mar 12 01:54:10 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 19:54:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] re: [naktalk}Mains hum Message-ID: <003501c1c960$6cdb2870$36d36bd8@m5e0c7> Could this be the infamous "dynamo-hum" to which Mr Zappa makes reference to? :>) does the hum exist when you crank up "Orgasm addict" by The Buzzcocks? sick yes we are twisted bunch of nakkers we are.... Damon ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Mar 12 02:38:23 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 20:38:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum In-Reply-To: <003b01c1c953$2a031c40$833d87d9@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311175926.01fb4ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311200831.01ff9d80@mail.verizon.net> I forgot to ask if the hum was the same on both channels. Could be that one of the cables has a bad connection at the shield on one end. Have you checked continuity on the good (but hummy) cable with an ohmmter to see that pin to pin and sleeve to sleeve resistance is not more than one or two ohms at each interconnect cable? If you can check the capacitance between sleeve and tip and see how that compares with the other cables, that might give you a clue. Sounds more like a fault in a shield, though. Is the preamp close to any transformer? Though not cable-related, that might cause the hum to begin with. Had that happen when a preamp was just above a McIntosh tube amp. Hum was driving the owner nuts. I raised the preamp up a couple of inches and the hum disappeared. Simple solution was to move the power amp down a shelf. ________________ Marc Stager ============ What type of cable is it? Shielded Have you tried running it in a different path, maybe it is getting hum from a nearby AC line? Yes - been careful to route it past AC lines Is the equipment at both ends grounded at the mains? If so try a ground lift on one - you have a ground loop. Tried both ways - doesn't seem to make any difference Is it tube equipment? The pre-amp is tube, the power amps are solid state Is the hum the same volume regardless of level setting? Still there with the volume control down all the way? Yes ========================== >3/11/02, you wrote: >I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the >interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it >the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something >else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose >the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, >clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that >damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > >Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 12 02:59:03 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:59:03 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311175926.01fb4ec0@mail.verizon.net> <5.1.0.14.2.20020311200831.01ff9d80@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <00df01c1c969$7d404e80$283442cf@sank1> It may be a case of improper shield termination. Assuming the cable in question has two conductors + shield, then the shield should be connected only at one end(usually the source end). I have seen instances where a pair of amps were actually opposed to this proper shield termination, i.e., they only stopped humming when I improperly connected the shield at both ends. So, it ain't a hard & fast rule. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 6:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mains hum > I forgot to ask if the hum was the same on both channels. > > Could be that one of the cables has a bad connection > at the shield on one end. Have you checked continuity > on the good (but hummy) cable with an ohmmter to see > that pin to pin and sleeve to sleeve resistance is not more > than one or two ohms at each interconnect cable? > > If you can check the capacitance between sleeve and tip > and see how that compares with the other cables, that might > give you a clue. > > Sounds more like a fault in a shield, though. > > Is the preamp close to any transformer? Though not > cable-related, that might cause the hum to begin with. > Had that happen when a preamp was just above a McIntosh > tube amp. Hum was driving the owner nuts. I raised the > preamp up a couple of inches and the hum disappeared. > Simple solution was to move the power amp down a shelf. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ============ > > What type of cable is it? > Shielded > > Have you tried running it in a different path, maybe it is > getting hum from a nearby AC line? > Yes - been careful to route it past AC lines > > Is the equipment at both ends grounded at the mains? If so try a ground > lift on one - you have a ground loop. > Tried both ways - doesn't seem to make any difference > > Is it tube equipment? > The pre-amp is tube, the power amps are solid state > > Is the hum the same volume regardless of level setting? > Still there with the volume control down all the way? > Yes > > ========================== > > > >3/11/02, you wrote: > >I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the > >interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it > >the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something > >else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose > >the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, > >clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that > >damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > > > >Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Tue Mar 12 03:10:12 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:10:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum In-Reply-To: <003b01c1c953$2a031c40$833d87d9@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311175926.01fb4ec0@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3C8D1D34.28872.26615A0@localhost> Graham- Is this how you are characterising your symptoms? 1. hum in speakers when tube preamp is attached to SS amp. 2. swapping to different connecting cable affects hum. 3. hum is unaffected by volume control of preamp - still hums with volume all the way down. Questions: 1. Are there gain controls on the amp, if so do they affect the hum? 2. If you disconnect the cable and short the amp inputs to their own ground, do you still get the hum? 3. Did this problem appear without prompting from you - i.e. did you change anything immediately before the hum appeared? - Tim On 11 Mar 2002 at 23:19, Graham Nelson wrote: > > Hi Marc > > The answers are below in BOLD: > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: 11 March 2002 11:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Mains hum > > > Graham, > > What type of cable is it? Shielded? Nor shielded?Shielded > Have you tried running it in a different path, maybe it is > getting hum from a nearby AC line? Yes - been careful to route it past AC lines > > Is the equipment at both ends grounded at the mains?If so try a ground lift on one - you have a > ground loop.Tried both ways - doesn't seem to make any difference > Is it tube equipment? The pre-amp is tube, the power amps are solid state > Is the hum the same volume > regardless of level setting? Still there with the volume > control down all the way?Yes > > On phono input only or all inputs? This is only on the pre-amp to power amp > Have you been > neglecting your wife, listening to your stereo while she > uses a vibrator?LOL! NO, she's neglecting me - I've not even seen her for 6 months!!! > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ============================= > > At 3/11/02, you wrote: > >I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the > >interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it > >the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something > >else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose > >the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, > >clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that > >damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > > > >Graham > > > >- > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > -- Tim Barrett timbarrett at cox.rr.com Fairfax, VA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From quoscdr at iname.com Tue Mar 12 10:27:05 2002 From: quoscdr at iname.com (Quos) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:27:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] newbie questions: bx100 and 581 Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have been offered two Nakamichi decks (BX100 and 581) quite cheaply, and I would need some advice which one to get. My main use for the deck will be transferring old tapes (which are not made on a Nakamichi but on something else) to digital format for archiving purposes. The tapes will be played through a Linn Wakonda preamp in to a Audio-M's Deltaphile 2496. So, I will not use the deck for recording, just playback. Which one of BX100 or 581 (if any) would you recommend? Or, do these models suffer from the fact that the tapes I'm planning to play are made with something else than a Nakamichi? Or should I look for something else (Dragon or DR-1, although I think these are slightly out of my pricerange?). Best regards, /Markku -- ... check out my bootleg tradelist: http://homepage.mac.com/quoscdr/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Quos To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] newbie questions: bx100 and 581 Hello everyone, I have been offered two Nakamichi decks (BX100 and 581) quite cheaply, and I would need some advice which one to get. My main use for the deck will be transferring old tapes (which are not made on a Nakamichi but on something else) to digital format for archiving purposes. The tapes will be played through a Linn Wakonda preamp in to a Audio-M's Deltaphile 2496. So, I will not use the deck for recording, just playback. Which one of BX100 or 581 (if any) would you recommend? Or, do these models suffer from the fact that the tapes I'm planning to play are made with something else than a Nakamichi? Or should I look for something else (Dragon or DR-1, although I think these are slightly out of my pricerange?). Best regards, /Markku ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kroger1032 at rogers.com Tue Mar 12 14:06:00 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:06:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 582 for sale References: Message-ID: <002101c1c9c6$a8b498c0$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hello all. A friend has a Nak 582 for sale. It is in excellent condition and was just serviced and the mechanism belt replaced. If anyone is interested, please contact me. Kevin Rogers ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Mar 12 14:48:16 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:48:16 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] newbie questions: bx100 and 581 Message-ID: Markku, Personally, I would opt for the 581, because the playback head is optimized for playback only. The record head is optimized for record only (narrow head gap), I know you mentioned you would not be recording, but this is FYI for possible better resale when you are through using it for playback. The crystalloy heads (as opposed to the BX100's sendust heads) should last longer and give better frequency response. Kent >>> quoscdr at iname.com 03/12/02 04:27AM >>> Hello everyone, I have been offered two Nakamichi decks (BX100 and 581) quite cheaply, and I would need some advice which one to get. My main use for the deck will be transferring old tapes (which are not made on a Nakamichi but on something else) to digital format for archiving purposes. The tapes will be played through a Linn Wakonda preamp in to a Audio-M's Deltaphile 2496. So, I will not use the deck for recording, just playback. Which one of BX100 or 581 (if any) would you recommend? Or, do these models suffer from the fact that the tapes I'm planning to play are made with something else than a Nakamichi? Or should I look for something else (Dragon or DR-1, although I think these are slightly out of my pricerange?). Best regards, /Markku -- ... check out my bootleg tradelist: http://homepage.mac.com/quoscdr/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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That could be dangerous > to some internal parts, is that right ? Depends... All it says is that you have some leakage from power line to chassis. Could be intentional (such as a noise suppressor or spike arrester at power line input) or leakage inside the power transformer. In most cases, this is a very high impedance leakage (meaning that current the chassis can provide is minute) and there is no harm in grounding the chassis. The reason one plug position yields a higher reading is that the leakage is from that side of the line cord. You should get less hum with the lower voltage position of the plug. > I used to 'lift' ground connection from wall to prevent hum, but in the end > i spent a lot of times checking which components got the ac plug 'reversed' > (unlike in the US, sockets don't have marked 'polarity' over here). Now i > ground the preamp (only) but still wonder about the effect if one of the > equipment's plug is not properly oriented. One manufacturer gave this (good, I think) advice: Disconnect all components except for the power amp. Try it with power plug in both positions and leave in the position of lower hum. Now, plug in to power line the unit that feeds the power amp (preamp or equalizer) and try it with both plug positions, leaving in the lower hum position. Continue to evaluate one unit after another, working towards the signal sources. > And an unrelated topic: what is the best / easiest way to check correct > phase of all 5 HT speakers ? I just realised that when engaging denon's '5 > ch stereo', the bass dissapeared. Fronts & center are quite easy, but once > the sub is connected, checking bass notes with various setup got boring and > painful after 15 minutes. =) (my ht mix is avr1800, kef 104.2, paradigm > cc300, diy sub and yamaha rear). I have used this approach successfully with a number of systems. Start phase checks with the sub turned off. The best approach is to evaluate two channels at a time, starting with the main ones. I believe either Avia or Video Essentials DVDs have audio signals to facilitate this. Otherwise, just use a mono recording and turn only the speakers under test on. Once the two front speakers are in phase, test the center with either. Then, test right main with right surround and left main with left surround. Finally, turn sub on and test with all three front speakers working (you may find that the sub's correct phase depends on listener position and in some rooms is very difficult to evaluate). -- Ron > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mains hum (and a systematic upgrade methodology) > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > Two additional points: > > > > Be careful when lifting the earth ground on some components. > > Safety can become an issue. Underwriters Labs (UL) most likely > > would not underwrite a design that didn't include an > > earth ground. > > There are zillions of UL approved devices with two pronged > plugs. Safety really depends on the quality of insulation > and grounding for safety sake is only required when the > internal insulation is questionable. I fervently hope that > any 'audiophile quality' device is adequate in this respect. > > > Also, many interconnect cables have their shield disconnected > > on one end. Components that are "lifted" on the AC line and > > through the interconnects are not grounded at all. > > Such cables still have an internal ground connection. They > wouldn't work otherwise. So, yes, they do provide grounding > (albeit, probably not adequate in case of internal shorts). > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 15:59:58 2002 From: ronami at yahoo.com (ronami) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:59:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum References: <002b01c1c94d$2e7d1a60$833d87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C8E17EE.AC87B2D8@yahoo.com> Graham, As you've discovered, hum problems can be very perplexing. If you have followed the suggestions as to equipment grounding and cable dressing, (and barring a problem with a bad piece of equipment) you probably cannot improve matters except by reducing ambient electrical noise. One thing to try is a line conditioner. These are not cheap, but (if the hum is conducted, rather than radiated) should eliminate the problem. It's certainly worthwhile to borrow one, just to find out how effective it is. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the > interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it > the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something > else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose > the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, > clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that > damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > > Graham > > - > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 16:12:01 2002 From: ronami at yahoo.com (ronami) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:12:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Totally OT: One liners References: <002101c1c9c6$a8b498c0$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <3C8E1AC1.78A0D5AA@yahoo.com> 1. bicycle can't stand on its own because it is two-tired. 2. A will is a dead giveaway. 3. A backwards poet writes inverse. 4. In democracy it's your vote that counts. In feudalism it's your count that votes. 5. She had a boyfriend with a wooden leg, but she broke it off. 6. A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion. 7. If you don't pay your exorcist you get repossessed. 8. With her marriage she got a new name and a dress. 9. Show me a piano falling down a mine shaft and I'll show you A-flat minor. 10. 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Acupuncture is a jab well done. 27. Marathon runners with bad footwear suffer the agony of defeat. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Mar 12 16:59:37 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:59:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum (and ht speakers phase) References: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> <3C8BC1EC.39EDAEC1@concentric.net> <3C8BCF81.65C926F5@earthlink.net> <3C8CDBD1.7C68061A@concentric.net> <000601c1c928$baa2f0c0$55289bca@smarzuki> <3C8E14ED.7DA445F4@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501c1c9de$ea0c93a0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Thank you very much Ron ! You explained that subwoofer mistery clearly .... very difficult to set up when standing close to it (switching the phase, adjusting the volume etc). i almost think that "phase" varies with frequency, because i can hear the phase difference more clearly when i 'bypass' the sub (disconnect the low pass d.i.y. xo and feed it direct from 'front' out) - but again scrambling in the dark when the sub is feed through sub out (or through low pass from front out). The '5-channel stereo' is still confusing but i don't use that mode anyway. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: ronami To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mains hum (and ht speakers phase) Salim Marzuki wrote: > A bit offline for a minute .... Ron, i plugged my amp's cord to the wall > with nothing else connected to it and amp's chassis reads 3-10 Vac to the > ground / my finger. However, when i reversed the AC socket / plug, the > chassis' voltage can go up as high as 30-60 Vac !! That could be dangerous > to some internal parts, is that right ? Depends... All it says is that you have some leakage from power line to chassis. Could be intentional (such as a noise suppressor or spike arrester at power line input) or leakage inside the power transformer. In most cases, this is a very high impedance leakage (meaning that current the chassis can provide is minute) and there is no harm in grounding the chassis. The reason one plug position yields a higher reading is that the leakage is from that side of the line cord. You should get less hum with the lower voltage position of the plug. > I used to 'lift' ground connection from wall to prevent hum, but in the end > i spent a lot of times checking which components got the ac plug 'reversed' > (unlike in the US, sockets don't have marked 'polarity' over here). Now i > ground the preamp (only) but still wonder about the effect if one of the > equipment's plug is not properly oriented. One manufacturer gave this (good, I think) advice: Disconnect all components except for the power amp. Try it with power plug in both positions and leave in the position of lower hum. Now, plug in to power line the unit that feeds the power amp (preamp or equalizer) and try it with both plug positions, leaving in the lower hum position. Continue to evaluate one unit after another, working towards the signal sources. > And an unrelated topic: what is the best / easiest way to check correct > phase of all 5 HT speakers ? I just realised that when engaging denon's '5 > ch stereo', the bass dissapeared. Fronts & center are quite easy, but once > the sub is connected, checking bass notes with various setup got boring and > painful after 15 minutes. =) (my ht mix is avr1800, kef 104.2, paradigm > cc300, diy sub and yamaha rear). I have used this approach successfully with a number of systems. Start phase checks with the sub turned off. The best approach is to evaluate two channels at a time, starting with the main ones. I believe either Avia or Video Essentials DVDs have audio signals to facilitate this. Otherwise, just use a mono recording and turn only the speakers under test on. Once the two front speakers are in phase, test the center with either. Then, test right main with right surround and left main with left surround. Finally, turn sub on and test with all three front speakers working (you may find that the sub's correct phase depends on listener position and in some rooms is very difficult to evaluate). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pasec at relex.ru Tue Mar 12 18:37:56 2002 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:37:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Hum troubles and Naks Message-ID: <017a01c1c9ec$a58bc530$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi, All! I'm newcomer :-) It's my personal experience and my IMHO, but I think it's can be interested. Four weeks ago I bought BX-150 (schematics indentical RX-202). It had a hum trouble - if decrease output level hum is appear. Cause of trouble was in small level internal noise with 50Hz period, 0.2 mV amplitude and 0.5 mcS duration on output. That typical hum can be appear on any (!!!) Nak deck with led level indicator! Cause of trouble can be see on shematic diagram. For example RX-202 (or any): Q107 and Q207 transistor (key-switches) dinamically made signal for indicator chip. If the detection threshold of this key-switches are not identical, then impulse noise (peaks) was in making signal! Sorry for my english :-( Shunt capacitance С301 must filter peaks. But if the impulse had heavy duration then shunt doesn't discharge a liability ;-) Hum get in GND and then into out we are hear a hum of harmonics :-( Fixing: Adjust detection threshold for this key-switches (adjust R147/R247 approximately two times as large). Sincerely Yours Pavel Pasechnik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 12 19:06:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:06:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum In-Reply-To: <3C8E17EE.AC87B2D8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000f01c1c9f0$afe8fb20$d99c193e@a4s1s2> Ron and all... I have not entirely eliminated the hum but I have reduced it markedly. How? I took the external ground wire on the interconnect and, instead of fixing it to the chassis of the pre-amp I fixed it to the collar of one of the interconnect RCAs. I did that at the end closest to the pre-amp. (It didn't seem to make any difference when I did it at the power amp end ... as you said, it's usually best done at the source!) Otherwise, I'll be taking your advice and see if, by doing it that, I can eliminate the noise altogether. It is, however, now at a tolerable volume for my (insensitive!) ear. Thanks all for your advice and rude humour!!! (The vibrator gag cheered me up for the day!!!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ronami Sent: 12 March 2002 03:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mains hum Graham, As you've discovered, hum problems can be very perplexing. If you have followed the suggestions as to equipment grounding and cable dressing, (and barring a problem with a bad piece of equipment) you probably cannot improve matters except by reducing ambient electrical noise. One thing to try is a line conditioner. These are not cheap, but (if the hum is conducted, rather than radiated) should eliminate the problem. It's certainly worthwhile to borrow one, just to find out how effective it is. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > I have found that the hum in my system appears to be related to the > interconnect I am using between the preamp to the power amp. If I ground it > the hum is slightly less but not a lot. If I swap the cable for something > else I lose 90% of the hum. That's good and that's bad. It's good to lose > the hum! It's bad because the cable is a sweetie! Lovely balance, neutral, > clear ... in fact, gorgeous!!! So, what the Hell do I do to get rid of that > damned hum??? Any bright ideas, professors?? > > Graham > > - > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.330 / Virus Database: 184 - Release Date: 28/02/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ronami at yahoo.com Tue Mar 12 19:15:17 2002 From: ronami at yahoo.com (ronami) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:15:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Mains hum (and ht speakers phase) References: <002001c1c829$44131480$ee6187d9@a4s1s2> <3C8BC1EC.39EDAEC1@concentric.net> <3C8BCF81.65C926F5@earthlink.net> <3C8CDBD1.7C68061A@concentric.net> <000601c1c928$baa2f0c0$55289bca@smarzuki> <3C8E14ED.7DA445F4@yahoo.com> <000501c1c9de$ea0c93a0$5b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3C8E45B5.878CA4A7@yahoo.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > Thank you very much Ron ! > > You explained that subwoofer mistery clearly .... very difficult to set up > when standing close to it (switching the phase, adjusting the volume etc). All tests should be done at the listening position, not close to the sub. It's still difficult to setup... > i almost think that "phase" varies with frequency, because i can hear the > phase difference more clearly when i 'bypass' the sub (disconnect the low > pass d.i.y. xo and feed it direct from 'front' out) - but again scrambling > in the dark when the sub is feed through sub out (or through low pass from > front out). The '5-channel stereo' is still confusing but i don't use that > mode anyway. I use 5 channel stereo for background music and for dancing, not for listening. It fills the room with a diffuse sound that is vaguely directional. For most stereo listening I use the Matrix position, that puts vocals into the center speaker and produces very nice spacious effects in the surround speakers. Sometime, though, Dolby ProLogic sounds better -- depends on the recording. Some recordings still sound best in stereo (two channel) mode. -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ronami > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Mains hum (and ht speakers phase) > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > A bit offline for a minute .... Ron, i plugged my amp's cord to the wall > > with nothing else connected to it and amp's chassis reads 3-10 Vac to the > > ground / my finger. However, when i reversed the AC socket / plug, the > > chassis' voltage can go up as high as 30-60 Vac !! That could be > dangerous > > to some internal parts, is that right ? > > Depends... All it says is that you have some leakage from power > line to chassis. Could be intentional (such as a noise suppressor > or spike arrester at power line input) or leakage inside the power > transformer. In most cases, this is a very high impedance leakage > (meaning that current the chassis can provide is minute) and there > is no harm in grounding the chassis. The reason one plug position > yields a higher reading is that the leakage is from that side of the > line cord. You should get less hum with the lower voltage position > of the plug. > > > I used to 'lift' ground connection from wall to prevent hum, but in the > end > > i spent a lot of times checking which components got the ac plug > 'reversed' > > (unlike in the US, sockets don't have marked 'polarity' over here). Now > i > > ground the preamp (only) but still wonder about the effect if one of the > > equipment's plug is not properly oriented. > > One manufacturer gave this (good, I think) advice: Disconnect all > components except for the power amp. Try it with power plug in > both positions and leave in the position of lower hum. Now, plug > in to power line the unit that feeds the power amp (preamp or > equalizer) and try it with both plug positions, leaving in the lower > hum position. Continue to evaluate one unit after another, working > towards the signal sources. > > > And an unrelated topic: what is the best / easiest way to check correct > > phase of all 5 HT speakers ? I just realised that when engaging denon's > '5 > > ch stereo', the bass dissapeared. Fronts & center are quite easy, but > once > > the sub is connected, checking bass notes with various setup got boring > and > > painful after 15 minutes. =) (my ht mix is avr1800, kef 104.2, paradigm > > cc300, diy sub and yamaha rear). > > I have used this approach successfully with a number of systems. > Start phase checks with the sub turned off. The best approach is > to evaluate two channels at a time, starting with the main ones. I > believe either Avia or Video Essentials DVDs have audio signals > to facilitate this. Otherwise, just use a mono recording and turn > only the speakers under test on. Once the two front speakers are > in phase, test the center with either. Then, test right main with > right surround and left main with left surround. Finally, turn sub > on and test with all three front speakers working (you may find > that the sub's correct phase depends on listener position and in > some rooms is very difficult to evaluate). > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 13 00:03:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:03:28 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck In-Reply-To: <000f01c1c9f0$afe8fb20$d99c193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000401c1ca1a$1f766da0$6da4193e@a4s1s2> See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 13 00:04:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:04:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck I mean BIC T2 .... silly me .... Message-ID: <000501c1ca1a$3d9dd980$6da4193e@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 12 March 2002 11:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 13 00:22:07 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:22:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <000401c1ca1a$1f766da0$6da4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003e01c1ca1c$ba8c3390$61756acf@johnrotten> I remember them. If it's BIC it probably ain't no Nakamichi! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 13 04:46:45 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:46:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Hum troubles and Naks References: <017a01c1c9ec$a58bc530$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Message-ID: <016c01c1ca41$b324c160$133442cf@sank1> Excellent work, Pavel. I think this must be a problem only with 50Hz power, as I have never seen any trace of this symptom on any Nak here in the 60Hz USA. I can imagine that this could be the case, based on the cause. Naks using the TA7612 LED meter chip use a practically unfiltered, rectified line-ac-derived sawtooth to multiplex the chip between left & right channel LED's, thus enabling a single meter driver to do two meters. I've always thought this to be a bad idea, but have only seen one common problem related to it- On the CR-2, I have seen a number of units where one meter channel goes out, and turned out to be caused by a partially bad, seemingly unrelated bridge rectifier diode unit that shares the same transformer secondary lines, causing the "virtual ground" center point to shift toward one side of the winding, shutting down one of the two rectifier diodes feeding the LED's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel V. Pasechnik" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Hum troubles and Naks > Hi, All! > I'm newcomer :-) > > It's my personal experience and my IMHO, but I think it's can be > interested. > Four weeks ago I bought BX-150 (schematics indentical RX-202). It had a > hum trouble - if decrease output level hum is appear. > Cause of trouble > was in small level internal noise with 50Hz period, 0.2 mV amplitude > and 0.5 mcS duration on output. > That typical hum can be appear on any (!!!) Nak deck with led level > indicator! > Cause of trouble can be see on shematic diagram. For example RX-202 (or > any): > Q107 and Q207 transistor (key-switches) dinamically made signal for > indicator chip. > If the detection threshold of this key-switches are not identical, then > impulse noise (peaks) was in making signal! Sorry for my english :-( > Shunt capacitance �301 must filter peaks. But if the impulse had heavy > duration then shunt doesn't discharge a liability ;-) Hum get in GND and > then into out we are hear a hum of harmonics :-( > Fixing: > Adjust detection threshold for this key-switches (adjust R147/R247 > approximately two times as large). > > Sincerely Yours > Pavel Pasechnik. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 14 00:57:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:57:11 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck In-Reply-To: <3C8F1775.7A9BC043@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> Hi Jim What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Hi Graham, I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time and never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, but I do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some strange reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out of alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty after the third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at 3 3/4 ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 14 02:50:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:50:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <02f101c1cafa$a15ac600$133442cf@sank1> I'm sure Jim treated the BIC deck quite well. Been a million years since I've worked on one of the 2-speed BICs, but I still have nightmares.;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > Hi Jim > > What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Jim Volpatti > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > Hi Graham, > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time and > never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, but I > do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some strange > reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out of > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty after the > third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at 3 3/4 > ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > See this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Mar 14 07:25:44 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:25:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C904267.6C6DF105@earthlink.net> I wish I knew, Graham. Perhaps Stephen might have some input as to what could have possibly caused the heads to go out of alignment repeatedly. Obviously, I was quite upset when the repair shop voided my warranty. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Hi JimWhat were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o)Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > Hi Graham, > > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the > time and never had the opportunity to compare it side by > side with Nakamichi, but I do remember that it spent a lot > of time in the repair shop. For some strange reason, the > heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out of > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my > warranty after the third repair visit. It did make very nice > recordings, especially at 3 3/4 ips, but of course, only > when the heads were set properly. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > See this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > > > Graham > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: > > 11/03/02 > > > > ======== > > -----------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Mar 14 07:29:04 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:29:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> <02f101c1cafa$a15ac600$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C904330.E9FD2163@earthlink.net> Details, details... We want all the dirt! LOL Really though. What could have caused the heads on my T-3 to go out of alignment repeatedly? Also, what were the more common repair issues on the BIC decks? Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I'm sure Jim treated the BIC deck quite well. Been a million years since > I've worked on one of the 2-speed BICs, but I still have nightmares.;-) > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > Hi Jim > > > > What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) > > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Jim Volpatti > > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time and > > never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, but I > > do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some > strange > > reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out of > > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty after the > > third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at 3 3/4 > > ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > See this: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > This is a new one on me... 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URL: From chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 14 14:02:17 2002 From: chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com (Charles Webster) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 08:02:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl limits on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer controls and a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones to get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing deck with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there another one i should go with? all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 14 19:00:41 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:00:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> <02f101c1cafa$a15ac600$133442cf@sank1> <3C904330.E9FD2163@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <042501c1cb82$28a6eda0$133442cf@sank1> I honestly have no idea. Been way too long to remember any details at all about them. Pretty bizarre to have your warranty voided. Did they think you were mucking around with the heads? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > Details, details... We want all the dirt! LOL > > Really though. What could have caused the heads on my T-3 to go out of alignment > repeatedly? Also, what were the more common repair issues on the BIC decks? > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > I'm sure Jim treated the BIC deck quite well. Been a million years since > > I've worked on one of the 2-speed BICs, but I still have nightmares.;-) > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) > > > > > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Jim Volpatti > > > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time and > > > never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, but I > > > do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some > > strange > > > reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out of > > > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty after the > > > third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at 3 3/4 > > > ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > See this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 14 19:25:28 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:25:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> <02f101c1cafa$a15ac600$133442cf@sank1> <3C904330.E9FD2163@earthlink.net> <042501c1cb82$28a6eda0$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002701c1cb85$9e5935a0$15756acf@johnnyrotten> They believed he was sleeping with them! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > I honestly have no idea. Been way too long to remember any details at all > about them. Pretty bizarre to have your warranty voided. Did they think > you were mucking around with the heads? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > Details, details... We want all the dirt! LOL > > > > Really though. What could have caused the heads on my T-3 to go out of > alignment > > repeatedly? Also, what were the more common repair issues on the BIC > decks? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I'm sure Jim treated the BIC deck quite well. Been a million years > since > > > I've worked on one of the 2-speed BICs, but I still have nightmares.;-) > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > > > What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time > and > > > > never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, > but I > > > > do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some > > > strange > > > > reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out > of > > > > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty after > the > > > > third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at 3 > 3/4 > > > > ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > See this: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 14 19:51:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:51:55 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck In-Reply-To: <002701c1cb85$9e5935a0$15756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000a01c1cb89$5002bf80$e46b87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah, well ... lads of a certain age can be a bit experimental .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 14 March 2002 06:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck They believed he was sleeping with them! John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Mar 14 20:13:54 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:13:54 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> <02f101c1cafa$a15ac600$133442cf@sank1> <3C904330.E9FD2163@earthlink.net> <042501c1cb82$28a6eda0$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C90F672.74037952@earthlink.net> Yeah, the front counter person said something about the head cleaner dissolving the glue used to hold the head alignment screws in place. I was too young and naive at the time to argue with them. Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > I honestly have no idea. Been way too long to remember any details at all > about them. Pretty bizarre to have your warranty voided. Did they think > you were mucking around with the heads? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > Details, details... We want all the dirt! LOL > > > > Really though. What could have caused the heads on my T-3 to go out of > alignment > > repeatedly? Also, what were the more common repair issues on the BIC > decks? > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > I'm sure Jim treated the BIC deck quite well. Been a million years > since > > > I've worked on one of the 2-speed BICs, but I still have nightmares.;-) > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > > > What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time > and > > > > never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, > but I > > > > do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some > > > strange > > > > reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went out > of > > > > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty after > the > > > > third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at 3 > 3/4 > > > > ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > See this: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Mar 14 20:14:53 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:14:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <003601c1caea$cac12c60$0bc0193e@a4s1s2> <02f101c1cafa$a15ac600$133442cf@sank1> <3C904330.E9FD2163@earthlink.net> <042501c1cb82$28a6eda0$133442cf@sank1> <002701c1cb85$9e5935a0$15756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3C90F6AD.1746C86C@earthlink.net> huh??? "John M. Tooley" wrote: > They believed he was sleeping with them! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 1:00 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > I honestly have no idea. Been way too long to remember any details at all > > about them. Pretty bizarre to have your warranty voided. Did they think > > you were mucking around with the heads? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 11:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > Details, details... We want all the dirt! LOL > > > > > > Really though. What could have caused the heads on my T-3 to go out of > > alignment > > > repeatedly? Also, what were the more common repair issues on the BIC > > decks? > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > I'm sure Jim treated the BIC deck quite well. Been a million years > > since > > > > I've worked on one of the 2-speed BICs, but I still have > nightmares.;-) > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:57 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > > > Hi Jim > > > > > > > > > > What were you doing to that poor machine?! ;o) > > > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > Behalf Of > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Sent: 13 March 2002 09:10 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > I once owned a three head BIC T-3. I was 17 years old at the time > > and > > > > > never had the opportunity to compare it side by side with Nakamichi, > > but I > > > > > do remember that it spent a lot of time in the repair shop. For some > > > > strange > > > > > reason, the heads kept going out of alignment. In fact, they went > out > > of > > > > > alignment so frequently that the repair shop voided my warranty > after > > the > > > > > third repair visit. It did make very nice recordings, especially at > 3 > > 3/4 > > > > > ips, but of course, only when the heads were set properly. > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > See this: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1337740355 > > > > > This is a new one on me... Anyone know this deck? > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Mar 14 20:15:33 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:15:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck References: <000a01c1cb89$5002bf80$e46b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C90F6D4.5948994C@earthlink.net> Hey, wait a minute!!! LOL Graham Nelson wrote: > Yeah, well ... lads of a certain age can be a bit experimental .... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 14 March 2002 06:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: BIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > > They believed he was sleeping with them! > > John > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu Mar 14 21:34:25 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: <3CF38595@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity inside the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd changer that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been 100% reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior performance but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I also use the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both work very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All these items are readily available on E-BAY Fred ===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" ===== >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl limits >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer controls and >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones to >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. > >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing deck >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there another >one i should go with? > >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 00:31:03 2002 From: chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com (Charles Webster) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 18:31:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: hey fred - i have gota line on a MF-41 musicbank changer and a TD-45 cassette deck. I was told that for another 100 bucks I can get the 45Z cassette deck, and that might be good because the display ia a lot better and there is a knob for volume rather than buttons, which is more fun! I hope i can mount the MF-41 in some crazy place! thanks a lot for the info, and if you run into anyone with a REAL GOOD car cassette deck for sale, let me know. cheers! (i trade tapes too!) chuck webster >From: FRED MOSS >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck >Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 > > >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity >inside >the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd >changer >that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been >100% >reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer >mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior performance >but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I also >use >the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both work >very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All >these >items are readily available on E-BAY >Fred > >===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" >===== > >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl >limits > >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer controls >and > >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones to > >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. > > > >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got > >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing >deck > >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there >another > >one i should go with? > > > >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Mar 15 02:53:33 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 17:53:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi RM-580 Remote Control References: <000401c1ca1a$1f766da0$6da4193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00b801c1cbc4$37038290$64fbb440@pii366custom> I have this available on E-bay, Just thought this may interest some of you. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339566480 Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Mar 15 07:31:28 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:31:28 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi RM-580 Remote Control Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D57@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Roland, I own one of these units too, handy to use. You may want to update the auction and specify that the remote will work on the BX range tape deck too, I'm unit the remote on my BX300. Regards Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi RM-580 Remote Control I have this available on E-bay, Just thought this may interest some of you. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339566480 Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 08:10:47 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:10:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi RM-580 Remote Control In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D57@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20020315071047.77149.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I believe that the BX-300 is the only deck in the BX series that is compatible with the RM-580. The other BX decks lack the remote jack. The MR-1 and ZX-5 are also compatible and not mentioned in the auction description. Wouter if you're out there, you might want to correct a few things on your web site. None of the BX or MR decks have DC Output (for BlackBox) and the Remote control capability if missing from the MR-1 description. Scott J. --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Hi Roland, > > I own one of these units too, handy to use. You may > want to update the auction and specify that the > remote will work on the BX range tape deck too, I'm > unit the remote on my BX300. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] > Sent: Friday, 15 March 2002 12:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Namamichi RM-580 Remote Control > > > I have this available on E-bay, Just thought this > may interest some of you. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339566480 > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph Fri Mar 15 08:37:41 2002 From: mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:37:41 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Postings from bigbear69@netzero.net References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D57@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002e01c1cbf4$49f905c0$8ffd10ac@1st.ebank> Will the gentleman whose email address is quoted above please scan his computer with a strong antivirus program (I recommend Norton AV 2002). My Outlook Express email program has just caught another infected posting from him. Lets keep this virus free. Happy surfing! mariano at starnet.net.ph ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Mar 15 08:39:41 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:39:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Strange messages from bigbear Message-ID: I just received another message from bigbear69 to naktalk containing only an attached exe. file. I deleted it immediately, of course. Is anyone else receiving this ? Bigbear, have you got a virus ? The truth is somewhere out there... george _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 15 08:53:55 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:53:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] !"#$ In-Reply-To: <200203150732.IAA16161@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: there is a virus in the attached file..fyi -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] !"#$ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 15 09:24:03 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 00:24:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Strange messages from bigbear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I got the thing and the virus scan suggested I not open the attachment. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 11:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Strange messages from bigbear I just received another message from bigbear69 to naktalk containing only an attached exe. file. I deleted it immediately, of course. Is anyone else receiving this ? Bigbear, have you got a virus ? The truth is somewhere out there... george _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Mar 15 09:47:39 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 08:47:39 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Big bear Message-ID: In case you need to disinfect your computer the virus in Big bear's email is: W32.Magistr.24876 at mm keep safe Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Mar 15 18:07:47 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:07:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-580 Remote Control References: <20020315071047.77149.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001d01c1cc43$ee7625c0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Thanx Scott and Thomas for those additions for the E-bay ad. It has been updated with credit to my friends at NakTalk. I got an e-mail from a buyer who wanted to know if this (RM-580) will work with the Nak 1000II. Naks.com doesn't mention it, but says remote is "Present". It says this for several different decks. What does that mean? Anyone know? The Nak 1000II is very similar in build and chassis to the 1000ZXL which accepts this RM-580 unit. Wouter, if you are editing you Nak page in the future, in addition to Scott's suggestions, you may also want to change the details on the MR-1. It does not have bias fine tune, but does have pitch control. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Mar 15 18:52:34 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:52:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-580 Remote Control In-Reply-To: <001d01c1cc43$ee7625c0$64fbb440@pii366custom> References: <20020315071047.77149.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020315124414.02023a30@mail.verizon.net> >... on the MR-1. It does not have bias fine tune, but does have pitch control. > >Thanx, >Roland Correct. Another brilliant bit of engineering. This so called "professional" machine has absolutely ZERO capability for any sort of bias, level or eq calibration without taking off the cover and turning trimpots. Even the XLR ins and outs are obsolete standard pin3 hot - I've had to change that to pin 2 hot. Fortunately some jumpers on the circuit boards made that relatively easy. I now have a safe record button, as I mentioned previously, and I defeated the annoying tape advance when you close the gate. The machine sounds decent, actually very good, especially after swapping out some 4556 and 072 chips for Burr Brown 2604's. But the design is a joke. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Fri Mar 15 21:48:54 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:48:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: <3D13E5A9@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Chuck, I am not familiar with the MF41 but the cassete players you mention are not of the same quality as the REAL Nak car decks ie TD500/700/800/1200 etc (I have a TD700 somewhere,a really excellent deck) so check the sound out carefully first Fred ===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" ===== >hey fred - i have gota line on a MF-41 musicbank changer and a TD-45 >cassette deck. I was told that for another 100 bucks I can get the 45Z >cassette deck, and that might be good because the display ia a lot better >and there is a knob for volume rather than buttons, which is more fun! I >hope i can mount the MF-41 in some crazy place! thanks a lot for the info, >and if you run into anyone with a REAL GOOD car cassette deck for sale, let >me know. cheers! >(i trade tapes too!) > >chuck webster > >>From: FRED MOSS >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck >>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 >> >> >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity >>inside >>the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd >>changer >>that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been >>100% >>reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer >>mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior performance >>but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I also >>use >>the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both work >>very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All >>these >>items are readily available on E-BAY >>Fred >> >>===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" >>===== >> >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl >>limits >> >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer controls >>and >> >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones to >> >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. >> > >> >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got >> >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing >>deck >> >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there >>another >> >one i should go with? >> > >> >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com >> > >> >_________________________________________________________________ >> >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >> >http://www.hotmail.com >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >>====== >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >>====== >> >>Totalise - the Users ISP >>---------------------- >>To become a member and a shareholder >>visit http://www.totalise.net >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 16 01:00:25 2002 From: chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com (Charles Webster) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:00:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: Fred, im bidding on a TD700 now on ebay, and its up to 166.00 i guess i might get it. sound like a good deal? >From: FRED MOSS >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:48:54 +0000 > > >Hi Chuck, I am not familiar with the MF41 but the cassete players you >mention >are not of the same quality as the REAL Nak car decks ie TD500/700/800/1200 >etc (I have a TD700 somewhere,a really excellent deck) so check the sound >out >carefully first >Fred > >===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" >===== > >hey fred - i have gota line on a MF-41 musicbank changer and a TD-45 > >cassette deck. I was told that for another 100 bucks I can get the 45Z > >cassette deck, and that might be good because the display ia a lot better > >and there is a knob for volume rather than buttons, which is more fun! I > >hope i can mount the MF-41 in some crazy place! thanks a lot for the >info, > >and if you run into anyone with a REAL GOOD car cassette deck for sale, >let > >me know. cheers! > >(i trade tapes too!) > > > >chuck webster > > > >>From: FRED MOSS > >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > >>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 > >> > >> >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity > >>inside > >>the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd > >>changer > >>that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been > >>100% > >>reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer > >>mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior >performance > >>but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I also > >>use > >>the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both >work > >>very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All > >>these > >>items are readily available on E-BAY > >>Fred > >> > >>===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" > >>===== > >> >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl > >>limits > >> >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer >controls > >>and > >> >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones >to > >> >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. > >> > > >> >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got > >> >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing > >>deck > >> >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there > >>another > >> >one i should go with? > >> > > >> >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >>====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >>====== > >> > >>Totalise - the Users ISP > >>---------------------- > >>To become a member and a shareholder > >>visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 16 01:02:37 2002 From: chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com (Charles Webster) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 19:02:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: fred, p.s. the TD-41 is their new CD changer that has one single drawer for the CD, and keeps 'em all position perfectly due to some far eastern wizardry.... it takes 4 CD's i want to mount it diagonally! CooL! >From: FRED MOSS >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck >Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:48:54 +0000 > > >Hi Chuck, I am not familiar with the MF41 but the cassete players you >mention >are not of the same quality as the REAL Nak car decks ie TD500/700/800/1200 >etc (I have a TD700 somewhere,a really excellent deck) so check the sound >out >carefully first >Fred > >===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" >===== > >hey fred - i have gota line on a MF-41 musicbank changer and a TD-45 > >cassette deck. I was told that for another 100 bucks I can get the 45Z > >cassette deck, and that might be good because the display ia a lot better > >and there is a knob for volume rather than buttons, which is more fun! I > >hope i can mount the MF-41 in some crazy place! thanks a lot for the >info, > >and if you run into anyone with a REAL GOOD car cassette deck for sale, >let > >me know. cheers! > >(i trade tapes too!) > > > >chuck webster > > > >>From: FRED MOSS > >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > >>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 > >> > >> >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity > >>inside > >>the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd > >>changer > >>that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been > >>100% > >>reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer > >>mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior >performance > >>but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I also > >>use > >>the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both >work > >>very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All > >>these > >>items are readily available on E-BAY > >>Fred > >> > >>===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" > >>===== > >> >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl > >>limits > >> >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer >controls > >>and > >> >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones >to > >> >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. > >> > > >> >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got > >> >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing > >>deck > >> >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there > >>another > >> >one i should go with? > >> > > >> >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com > >> > > >> >_________________________________________________________________ > >> >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >> >http://www.hotmail.com > >> > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >>====== > >> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > >>====== > >> > >>Totalise - the Users ISP > >>---------------------- > >>To become a member and a shareholder > >>visit http://www.totalise.net > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 16 05:25:41 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 21:25:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-580 Remote Control References: <20020315071047.77149.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c1cc43$ee7625c0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Message-ID: <06cc01c1cca2$a2d634c0$133442cf@sank1> The 1000/1000II/700/700II have a different remote jack that would have to be replaced/reconfigured to use the RM-580, but it can be done. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-580 Remote Control > Thanx Scott and Thomas for those additions for the E-bay ad. It has been > updated with credit to my friends at NakTalk. > > I got an e-mail from a buyer who wanted to know if this (RM-580) will work > with the Nak 1000II. Naks.com doesn't mention it, but says remote is > "Present". It says this for several different decks. What does that mean? > Anyone know? > > The Nak 1000II is very similar in build and chassis to the 1000ZXL which > accepts this RM-580 unit. > > Wouter, if you are editing you Nak page in the future, in addition to > Scott's suggestions, you may also want to change the details on the MR-1. It > does not have bias fine tune, but does have pitch control. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sat Mar 16 05:27:36 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:27:36 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-580 Remote Control References: <20020315071047.77149.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c1cc43$ee7625c0$64fbb440@pii366custom> <06cc01c1cca2$a2d634c0$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005801c1cca2$e6fbbb70$64fbb440@pii366custom> Thanx, Stephen! I'll pass that info along to the prospective buyer along with your name and contact info. He may choose to have it done and have his deck serviced at the same time. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Mar 16 14:31:30 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:31:30 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: <3D21A1DC@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Chuck, careful now, the Td700 does not have cd changer comtrol Fred ===== Original Message From FRED MOSS ===== >>Hi Chuck, I am not familiar with the MF41 but the cassete players you mention >are not of the same quality as the REAL Nak car decks ie TD500/700/800/1200 >etc (I have a TD700 somewhere,a really excellent deck) so check the sound out >carefully first >Fred > >===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" ===== >>hey fred - i have gota line on a MF-41 musicbank changer and a TD-45 >>cassette deck. I was told that for another 100 bucks I can get the 45Z >>cassette deck, and that might be good because the display ia a lot better >>and there is a knob for volume rather than buttons, which is more fun! I >>hope i can mount the MF-41 in some crazy place! thanks a lot for the info, >>and if you run into anyone with a REAL GOOD car cassette deck for sale, let >>me know. cheers! >>(i trade tapes too!) >> >>chuck webster >> >>>From: FRED MOSS >>>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck >>>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 >>> >>> >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity >>>inside >>>the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd >>>changer >>>that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been >>>100% >>>reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer >>>mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior performance >>>but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I also >>>use >>>the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both work >>>very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All >>>these >>>items are readily available on E-BAY >>>Fred >>> >>>===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" >>>===== >>> >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl >>>limits >>> >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer controls >>>and >>> >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones to >>> >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. >>> > >>> >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and got >>> >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a dubbing >>>deck >>> >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there >>>another >>> >one i should go with? >>> > >>> >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com >>> > >>> >_________________________________________________________________ >>> >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >>> >http://www.hotmail.com >>> > >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >>>====== >>> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>resource. >>> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >>>====== >>> >>>Totalise - the Users ISP >>>---------------------- >>>To become a member and a shareholder >>>visit http://www.totalise.net >>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >====== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== = >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 16 18:28:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 17:28:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <001d01c1cc43$ee7625c0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Message-ID: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> How about one of these on your TT shelf unit??? Anyone? ;o) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339612023 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 17 10:19:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:19:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Message-ID: <07a801c1cd94$e4689e80$133442cf@sank1> This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. Thanks, guys. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 17 10:23:21 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 02:23:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <07ac01c1cd95$620fac20$133442cf@sank1> That is properly the BQ-70D turntable, and is quite an awesome piece of equipment. I have info on it in the 1955 RCA broadcast equipment catalog, but I've never actually seen one. The table occupies that entire cabinet, with the motor being at the bottom, shock-mounted & anti-vibration-coupled to a drive shaft that goes up to the table. I believe that the Fairchild 412 I have was designed based on the concepts used on this unit. Definitely lusting over this one! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT > How about one of these on your TT shelf unit??? Anyone? ;o) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339612023 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 17 11:37:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:37:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <07ac01c1cd95$620fac20$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000301c1cd9f$ba133680$dd5087d9@a4s1s2> I think I know how you feel - given the space, not to mention the money, I'd love to have that sat next to the amp. Sadly, I don't presently have a dedicated listening room nor space enough in the lounge where the bulk of my equipment sits ... or the money! (But if those Project Telecom shares would just triple in value over night, then ....) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 17 March 2002 09:23 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT That is properly the BQ-70D turntable, and is quite an awesome piece of equipment. I have info on it in the 1955 RCA broadcast equipment catalog, but I've never actually seen one. The table occupies that entire cabinet, with the motor being at the bottom, shock-mounted & anti-vibration-coupled to a drive shaft that goes up to the table. I believe that the Fairchild 412 I have was designed based on the concepts used on this unit. Definitely lusting over this one! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT > How about one of these on your TT shelf unit??? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 17 11:37:26 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:37:26 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice In-Reply-To: <07a801c1cd94$e4689e80$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1cd9f$bb59c040$dd5087d9@a4s1s2> Supposing you were to train someone from ground zero, with little or no experience at all - how long would it take to get them going? G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 17 March 2002 09:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. Thanks, guys. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 17 11:58:36 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:58:36 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D5A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Graham, I was going through some old video's and stumbled on a copy of Abbot & Costello's "Who done it!" In one of the scenes Lou Costello is fumbling his way through a dark room equiped with what looks like these Transcription TT, he then walks by one of them and trips the power switch to on not reallising he did, the record starts playing and a voice says "Stick ya hands up! You heard me I said stick them UP!" You can only guess what Lou does next. Sorry to everyone about the "off topic". Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 4:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT How about one of these on your TT shelf unit??? Anyone? ;o) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339612023 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun Mar 17 12:15:34 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:34 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Stephen I wish I could jump on the first plane there, knock on your front door and say "PICK ME"! Wow what an offer, but unfortunately I have commitments here that prevent me from taking up the offer. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 8:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. Thanks, guys. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 17 20:14:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:14:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice References: <000401c1cd9f$bb59c040$dd5087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <07f501c1cde7$fbba13e0$133442cf@sank1> Graham, after what you've said about your mechanical skills, I'd say someone like you would take 2 or 3 years, or perhaps the rest of you life to get proficient.;-) With someone with the natural talent for the work, such as the girl I mentioned, as fast as two months. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > Supposing you were to train someone from ground zero, with little or no > experience at all - how long would it take to get them going? > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 17 March 2002 09:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at cox.net Sun Mar 17 21:10:47 2002 From: csteele at cox.net (Christopher) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 12:10:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> <07ac01c1cd95$620fac20$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C94F847.C381D5BD@cox.net> Stephen, et al: What exactly IS a "transcription turntable." Have seen the term applied to myrid sort of TTs but have never seen a firm definition. (I'll accept a flaccid description if that is all I can get .) Christopher A. Steele (RX-505) Stephen Sank wrote: > > That is properly the BQ-70D turntable, and is quite an awesome piece of > equipment. I have info on it in the 1955 RCA broadcast equipment catalog, > but I've never actually seen one. The table occupies that entire cabinet, > with the motor being at the bottom, shock-mounted & anti-vibration-coupled > to a drive shaft that goes up to the table. I believe that the Fairchild > 412 I have was designed based on the concepts used on this unit. > Definitely lusting over this one! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 17 21:37:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:37:30 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice In-Reply-To: <07f501c1cde7$fbba13e0$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001801c1cdf3$8ee7fdc0$17ab193e@a4s1s2> You are making me cry ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 17 March 2002 07:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Graham, after what you've said about your mechanical skills, I'd say someone like you would take 2 or 3 years, or perhaps the rest of you life to get proficient.;-) With someone with the natural talent for the work, such as the girl I mentioned, as fast as two months. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > Supposing you were to train someone from ground zero, with little or no > experience at all - how long would it take to get them going? > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 17 March 2002 09:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 17 21:56:58 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:56:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> <07ac01c1cd95$620fac20$133442cf@sank1> <3C94F847.C381D5BD@cox.net> Message-ID: <084101c1cdf6$48464c20$133442cf@sank1> It's basically just a reference to being a broadcast quality turntable. Which used to mean a table of the highest fidelity. Nowadays, "broadcast quality" means virtually nothing. And "trascription turntable" is as equally meaninglessly applied to the widest variety of quality of tables. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT > Stephen, et al: > > What exactly IS a "transcription turntable." Have seen the > term applied to myrid sort of TTs but have never seen a firm > definition. (I'll accept a flaccid description if that is all I > can get .) > > Christopher A. Steele > (RX-505) > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > That is properly the BQ-70D turntable, and is quite an awesome piece of > > equipment. I have info on it in the 1955 RCA broadcast equipment catalog, > > but I've never actually seen one. The table occupies that entire cabinet, > > with the motor being at the bottom, shock-mounted & anti-vibration-coupled > > to a drive shaft that goes up to the table. I believe that the Fairchild > > 412 I have was designed based on the concepts used on this unit. > > Definitely lusting over this one! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Sorry Graham :) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Sunday, 17 March, 2002 19:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Graham, after what you've said about your mechanical skills, I'd say someone like you would take 2 or 3 years, or perhaps the rest of you life to get proficient.;-) With someone with the natural talent for the work, such as the girl I mentioned, as fast as two months. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > Supposing you were to train someone from ground zero, with little or no > experience at all - how long would it take to get them going? > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 17 March 2002 09:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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You forget I DID mend the speakers I goosed!!! ;o) And I do know which end of the soldering iron to hold - I have the skin grafts to prove it ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 17 March 2002 11:08 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Stephen After what Graham has said about his mystical ability to cause spontaneous combustion in electronic equipment, I reckon that you will go out of business long before you have managed to teach him which end of the soldering iron he should hold, and which to avoid.... Sorry Graham :) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Sunday, 17 March, 2002 19:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Graham, after what you've said about your mechanical skills, I'd say someone like you would take 2 or 3 years, or perhaps the rest of you life to get proficient.;-) With someone with the natural talent for the work, such as the girl I mentioned, as fast as two months. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > Supposing you were to train someone from ground zero, with little or no > experience at all - how long would it take to get them going? > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 17 March 2002 09:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.336 / Virus Database: 188 - Release Date: 11/03/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Mar 18 01:27:49 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:27:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <084101c1cdf6$48464c20$133442cf@sank1> References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> <07ac01c1cd95$620fac20$133442cf@sank1> <3C94F847.C381D5BD@cox.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020317181014.01fa25f0@mail.verizon.net> In addition, before magnetic tape, live broadcasts were recorded on 16 inch diameter discs. These transcriptions were played on (duh) transcription turntables, capable of handling records of this diameter. Because they were used by broadcast professionals, they were of higher quality thas the typical the Zenith record changer and generally pretty big and utilitarian. At 3/17/02, you wrote: >It's basically just a reference to being a broadcast quality turntable. >Which used to mean a table of the highest fidelity. Nowadays, "broadcast >quality" means virtually nothing. And "trascription turntable" is as >equally meaninglessly applied to the widest variety of quality of tables. > >Stephen Sank > > Stephen, et al: > > > > What exactly IS a "transcription turntable"? Have seen the > > term applied to myriad sort of TTs but have never seen a firm > > definition. (I'll accept a flaccid description if that is all I > > can get .) > > > > Christopher A. Steele ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 18 04:04:31 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 20:04:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair References: <13e.b194d12.29c6770a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002701c1ce29$a079c380$323442cf@sank1> I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While recording some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader buttons work? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair > I have a ZX-9. The Vu bar graph display does not work. One segment at the > lower left of the display glows dimly. Does anyone know if this is a common > problem and if this is an easy repair? I would like to sell this deck once > this is fixed or as is. > > Thanks, Paul > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 00:44:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:44:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice References: <07a801c1cd94$e4689e80$133442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C952A43.D6677EDA@yahoo.com> Hey I used to work at a coffee shop! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Mar 18 06:11:09 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:11:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice In-Reply-To: <3C952A43.D6677EDA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001701c1ce3b$51440890$33dffea9@c994264g> Stephen, How about perspective managers from Burger King, with graduate degrees ;) (snicker) Now don't go off killing any CR4s. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice Hey I used to work at a coffee shop! Javier Stephen Sank wrote: > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 01:51:32 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:51:32 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice References: <001701c1ce3b$51440890$33dffea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <3C953A14.1D935846@yahoo.com> Hey Steve If I show up at your place before noon can you fix my L1 and tune my 71 for 3 bucks as part of the breakfast special? Javier Mike deVera wrote: > > Stephen, How about perspective managers from Burger King, with graduate > degrees ;) (snicker) Now don't go off killing any CR4s. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Javier Perez > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:44 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > Hey I used to work at a coffee shop! > Javier > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to > start > > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort > of > > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > > Thanks, guys. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Mar 18 02:02:56 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:02:56 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3C953CC0.D71D3804@yahoo.com> Me Too! But I'm stuck in NYC More important than how long it takes to train someone is how long you can get them to stick around once they've learned the ropes! I've know plenty of guys who take someone under their wing only to have the guy fly off as soon as he's marketable. Then they're left with no assistent and a potential competitor! Solution, train only relatives or wives :) Javier Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Stephen I wish I could jump on the first plane there, knock on your front door and say "PICK ME"! Wow what an offer, but unfortunately I have commitments here that prevent me from taking up the offer. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2002 8:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to start > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort of > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > Thanks, guys. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emmett at sprint.ca Sun Mar 17 16:18:34 2002 From: emmett at sprint.ca (emmett) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 10:18:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair Message-ID: <002501c1cdc7$023ca780$4adc6395@h4y1l2> how much are you looking for the zx-9 as it is emmett -----Original Message----- From: Vanagony at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, March 17, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair >I have a ZX-9. The Vu bar graph display does not work. One segment at the >lower left of the display glows dimly. Does anyone know if this is a common >problem and if this is an easy repair? I would like to sell this deck once >this is fixed or as is. > >Thanks, Paul >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 18 08:25:46 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 00:25:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice References: <001701c1ce3b$51440890$33dffea9@c994264g> <3C953A14.1D935846@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007501c1ce4e$2002a620$323442cf@sank1> Sure, as long as you're prepared for a breakfast that's a week long. And if you can remember how to make a mocha latte, you're hired! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > Hey Steve > If I show up at your place before noon > can you fix my L1 and tune my 71 for 3 > bucks as part of the breakfast special? > Javier > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > Stephen, How about perspective managers from Burger King, with graduate > > degrees ;) (snicker) Now don't go off killing any CR4s. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Javier Perez > > Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:44 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Desperately seeking apprentice > > > > Hey I used to work at a coffee shop! > > Javier > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > This is a serious offer/request. I desperately need to hire on a > > > tech/apprentice for Naks, Moscodes & other hifi, and/or microphone > > > restoration work. I'm so overloaded with work, I'm about three steps away > > > from a nervous breakdown at any given moment! So, if any of you guys, or > > > anyone you know, would be interested in learning what I do, please let me > > > know. I can offer room & board(vegetarian household) + some money to > > start > > > with, then pretty darn good money once we get caught up & rolling. This > > > offer is open to anyone with any signs of natural aptitude for this sort > > of > > > work, regardless of education or previous experience. Actually, the best > > > tech I've yet taught was a girl I hired away from a coffee shop. > > > So, PLEASE, put your feelers out for a suitable candidate. > > > Thanks, guys. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Mar 18 09:04:10 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 01:04:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT's Message-ID: <008e01c1ce53$7cc9ec60$323442cf@sank1> For anyone who wants to see a magnificent piece of engineering, I have uploaded the 1955 catalog pages on the RCA BQ-70 turntable: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/bq70tt1.gif http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/bq70tt2.gif Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Mar 18 14:29:34 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:29:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL limited edition cassette deck Message-ID: <000801c1ce80$f1ca5770$9f021fac@brianm> $5600 - I just don't see this going anywhere fast! http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1021599327&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Mon Mar 18 15:12:58 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:12:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL limited edition cassette deck References: <000801c1ce80$f1ca5770$9f021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C95F5EA.373F6D57@ol-jim.com> > Brian Miller wrote: > > $5600 - I just don't see this going anywhere fast! > > �http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1021599327&2&3&4& Damn, and I was ready to buy three of them :>) -- Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com 42 USC 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985. Know them, use them, regain your freedom! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 18 17:29:53 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:29:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL limited edition cassette deck References: <000801c1ce80$f1ca5770$9f021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C961601.DA4C7C80@rcn.com> I believe last year there was one on ebay, for a cool $6000. No taker for quite a while. IIRC, it finally went for $2500. My take is that something like this is not for music lovers, but for people that have to have something better than their neighbor. I do not believe is offers any *sonic* advantage over a standard edition 1000ZXL, that can be had for around 1K$ or so. -- Ron Brian Miller wrote: > $5600 - I just don't see this going anywhere fast! > > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1021599327&2&3&4& ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 18 19:05:10 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:05:10 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL limited edition cassette deck In-Reply-To: <3C961601.DA4C7C80@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c1cea7$71b174c0$19d9193e@a4s1s2> That's right, I'm sure. I have heard of a guy (who I once pretended to know!) who has THREE of them. Having one would be quite a "statement" to make about yourself, but three??? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ron Sent: 18 March 2002 04:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000ZXL limited edition cassette deck I believe last year there was one on ebay, for a cool $6000. No taker for quite a while. IIRC, it finally went for $2500. My take is that something like this is not for music lovers, but for people that have to have something better than their neighbor. I do not believe is offers any *sonic* advantage over a standard edition 1000ZXL, that can be had for around 1K$ or so. -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Vanagony at aol.com Mon Mar 18 22:06:17 2002 From: Vanagony at aol.com (Vanagony at aol.com) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:06:17 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair Message-ID: <29.2440de8f.29c7b0c9@aol.com> On 3/17/02 I asked for advice to fix an inoperative display on a ZX-9. Stephen Sank responded: I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While recording some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader buttons work? 3/18/02: Yes, the fader buttons ramp the output volume up and down while listening in the "tape"monitor mode. Recording level and bias adjustment were done by ear as there is no change in the display. Paul P.S. Steve, thanks for taking an interest is this problem and helping me. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Mar 18 23:10:51 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:10:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed Message-ID: <003201c1cec9$c4ce7e60$40756acf@johnrotten> I have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL machine needing a replacement part. The lens covering the VU Meters etc is broken. If anybody might know of a source of one of these please let me know. Many thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joelll at genericdomain.net Mon Mar 18 23:55:36 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 17:55:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: On Sat, 16 Mar 2002, Graham Nelson wrote: > How about one of these on your TT shelf unit??? Anyone? ;o) Yow.... This brings back memories... At summer camp about 19 years ago, I volunteered to work many, many hours in the radio station. WRMH's 5-watt signal was carried throughout the camp on a wire, broadcasting in mono at 690 AM. The radio station was cobbled together from various used and cast-off equipment, including an 8-channel tube-type RCA mixer with big bakelite knobs on it (no sliders when it was made), and a bunch of gear culled from a US Army mobile AM radio station unit, all of which packed into five smallish trunks. Especially entertaining were the instructions in the manual for destroying the radio station should there be a chance of it falling into enemy hands, including firing bullets through the mixer board and transmitter, breaking records and bending microphone stands. We had two transcription TT's, most likely a RCA BQ-70E and a BQ-70F (with 45rpm available), though they were mounted in a rough wooden counter instead of those nifty RCA cabinets, and if i recall, they had much newer tonearms. When I arrived at the beginning of summer, the motor mounts (rubber bushings in metal brackets) had gone bad in both tables, and so we got into the works replacing them, but after that they were dead reliable. I was amazed at the engineering and machining. Big heavy flywheels under the big heavy turntables, and they'd come up to speed in 2/3 of a rotation. I really like the school of thought in industrial design that produced this kind of gear. Heavy duty, beautifully finished, designed with a 40-year service life in mind. I haven't been back there since the early 80s, but I'm willing to bet that most of the old gear is still there, and I wouldn't be suprised if the TT's are still in service. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Tue Mar 19 00:36:47 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:36:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hmm.. TT model correction: after some web research (and there's not a heck of a lot out there about RCA broadcast turntables) I believe that the TT's the radio station had were lesser or later models, with a slightly different design to the TT platter and motor mounts, but they still had the big flywheel underneath, and they were definitely RCA's Now I need to find a way to go back and visit and see what they actually are (even if out of service, I know they'd never discard the hardware). joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 19 01:10:27 2002 From: chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com (Charles Webster) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 19:10:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck Message-ID: hey fred thanks for the tip - can you recommend the best one that does have cd changer control? cheers chuck >From: FRED MOSS >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck >Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:31:30 +0000 > > >Hi Chuck, careful now, the Td700 does not have cd changer comtrol >Fred > > >===== Original Message From FRED MOSS ===== > >>Hi Chuck, I am not familiar with the MF41 but the cassete players you >mention > >are not of the same quality as the REAL Nak car decks ie >TD500/700/800/1200 > >etc (I have a TD700 somewhere,a really excellent deck) so check the >sound >out > >carefully first > >Fred > > > >===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" >===== > >>hey fred - i have gota line on a MF-41 musicbank changer and a TD-45 > >>cassette deck. I was told that for another 100 bucks I can get the 45Z > >>cassette deck, and that might be good because the display ia a lot >better > >>and there is a knob for volume rather than buttons, which is more fun! >I > >>hope i can mount the MF-41 in some crazy place! thanks a lot for the >info, > >>and if you run into anyone with a REAL GOOD car cassette deck for sale, >let > >>me know. cheers! > >>(i trade tapes too!) > >> > >>chuck webster > >> > >>>From: FRED MOSS > >>>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VIC T2 - 2 speed cassette deck > >>>Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 20:34:25 +0000 > >>> > >>> >Hi Charles, I have used both MB100 and MB75 which have 6 cd capacity > >>>inside > >>>the standard size head unit, they will also accept a MF51 or 31 5 cd > >>>changer > >>>that you can mount remotely, so far in two years use the MB100 has been > >>>100% > >>>reliable and the MB75 has been changed twice, odd because the changer > >>>mechanisms are supposedly identical. The MB100 has far superior >performance > >>>but you need a very quiet auto to be able to hear the difference. I >also > >>>use > >>>the CD45Z head unit that accepts 1 cd and the MF51 changer , they both >work > >>>very well,better sound quality than MB75 but not as good as MB100. All > >>>these > >>>items are readily available on E-BAY > >>>Fred > >>> > >>>===== Original Message From "Charles Webster" > > >>>===== > >>> >hi list - i am new, and not sure if talking about car audio is offl > >>>limits > >>> >on the list, but I am trying to get a Nak deck with CD changer >controls > >>>and > >>> >a CD changer for my volvo, and would love any advice about which ones >to > >>> >get, if anyone has a used one to sell, etc. please email me direct. > >>> > > >>> >I also have a question. I have a BX-100 that I got for !free! and >got > >>> >repaired for 20 bucks! I want to get another deck to use as a >dubbing > >>>deck > >>> >with that one. Is it a good idea to get the same deck, or is there > >>>another > >>> >one i should go with? > >>> > > >>> >all best, reply to chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com > >>> > > >>> >_________________________________________________________________ > >>> >Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >>> >http://www.hotmail.com > >>> > > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >= > >>>====== > >>> >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>resource. > >>> >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >= > >>>====== > >>> > >>>Totalise - the Users ISP > >>>---------------------- > >>>To become a member and a shareholder > >>>visit http://www.totalise.net > >>> > >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > >======= > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>resource. > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > >======= > >> > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ > >>Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >= > >====== > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >= > >====== > > > >Totalise - the Users ISP > >---------------------- > >To become a member and a shareholder > >visit http://www.totalise.net > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 19 02:58:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:58:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair References: <29.2440de8f.29c7b0c9@aol.com> Message-ID: <012b01c1cee9$87c326e0$323442cf@sank1> The fader clock signal is generated by the meter driver chip, so that narrows the problem down to the meter amp chip, IC303, or it's peripheral components, with a much more remote possibility that the output stages of the meter driver chip, IC901, are bad. To see if IC303 is good, set to source monitor & activate the 400Hz tone. You should then have a steady state DC voltage on pins 1 and 2 of CN-6 connector, that turns on & off when the tone is turned on & off. If no, than replace IC303. If yes, then you may have a bad IC901, MSL9350RS, which is a bit hard to find outside of Nak parts inventories. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Repair > On 3/17/02 I asked for advice to fix an inoperative display on a ZX-9. > > Stephen Sank responded: > I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While > recording > some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader buttons > work? > > 3/18/02: Yes, the fader buttons ramp the output volume up and down while > listening in the "tape"monitor mode. Recording level and bias adjustment > were done by ear as there is no change in the display. > > Paul > > P.S. Steve, thanks for taking an interest is this problem and helping me. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Mar 19 04:23:50 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:53:50 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed Message-ID: <005c01c1cef5$7d71bd80$42d60192@vsnl> John have a look at this item on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1340302349 Could be your ideal parts unit Kannan -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed I have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL machine needing a replacement part. The lens covering the VU Meters etc is broken. If anybody might know of a source of one of these please let me know. Many thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Mar 19 13:39:29 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 07:39:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed References: <005c01c1cef5$7d71bd80$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000c01c1cf43$1d3a19f0$69756acf@johnnyrotten> Hot dog! hold the phone. Kannan that would be a fantastic parts machine for me and has just what I need. I shall be watching it very carefully. Many thanks Kannan. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan. S To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed John have a look at this item on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1340302349 Could be your ideal parts unit Kannan -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:43 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed I have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL machine needing a replacement part. The lens covering the VU Meters etc is broken. If anybody might know of a source of one of these please let me know. Many thanks, John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Tue Mar 19 14:48:38 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 08:48:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] WTB: Nakamichi Cassette Deck - Top of the line Message-ID: <000801c1cf4c$c7209530$92021fac@brianm> Here is a wanted ad for a Nak deck if someone is looking to sell. (I didn't realize good Nak decks were hard to find!) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?zwant&1021694821&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From penry at nortelnetworks.com Tue Mar 19 17:59:34 2002 From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:59:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Model? Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A5607974022EED98@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> I stopped at a Pawn Shop while visiting a town on the other side of the state and saw a matching pair of Nakamichi equipment. It was a receiver and a cassette deck for home use. The cassette deck was a front loading type where the tape disappears, like a car player. Both units were a grayish color, and I think the cabinets may have been plastic. Each unit was about 8 inches wide, 6 or 8 inches deep, and about 2 or 3 inches tall. I think the cassette deck model was "Cassette Deck" or "Cassette Deck 1", but it does not look like the "Cassette Deck" models on the Naks.com web page. Any idea what these units are and if they are any good, what they are worth? Thanks, Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Mar 19 21:55:04 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:55:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Model? References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A5607974022EED98@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> Message-ID: <003601c1cf88$59b1a200$143442cf@sank1> Sounds certain you are referring to "CD/Cassette Deck 1", which was the cosmetic update of the CP-1, a fairly crappy combo cd/tape player that was not made by Nak. Part of a mini set that included a small, crappy non-Nak receiver & speakers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Penry" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Model? > I stopped at a Pawn Shop while visiting a town on the other side of the > state and saw a matching pair of Nakamichi equipment. It was a receiver and > a cassette deck for home use. The cassette deck was a front loading type > where the tape disappears, like a car player. Both units were a grayish > color, and I think the cabinets may have been plastic. Each unit was about > 8 inches wide, 6 or 8 inches deep, and about 2 or 3 inches tall. I think > the cassette deck model was "Cassette Deck" or "Cassette Deck 1", but it > does not look like the "Cassette Deck" models on the Naks.com web page. > > Any idea what these units are and if they are any good, what they are worth? > > > Thanks, > > Charles > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From penry at nortelnetworks.com Tue Mar 19 22:06:46 2002 From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:06:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Model? Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A5607974022EF388@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> Thanks for the warning. The units didn't look too impressive. It doesn't sound like it's worth driving back across half the state to buy. And Texas is a big state! Charles -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Model? Sounds certain you are referring to "CD/Cassette Deck 1", which was the cosmetic update of the CP-1, a fairly crappy combo cd/tape player that was not made by Nak. Part of a mini set that included a small, crappy non-Nak receiver & speakers. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Penry" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Model? > I stopped at a Pawn Shop while visiting a town on the other side of the > state and saw a matching pair of Nakamichi equipment. It was a receiver and > a cassette deck for home use. The cassette deck was a front loading type > where the tape disappears, like a car player. Both units were a grayish > color, and I think the cabinets may have been plastic. Each unit was about > 8 inches wide, 6 or 8 inches deep, and about 2 or 3 inches tall. I think > the cassette deck model was "Cassette Deck" or "Cassette Deck 1", but it > does not look like the "Cassette Deck" models on the Naks.com web page. > > Any idea what these units are and if they are any good, what they are worth? > > > Thanks, > > Charles > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 19 22:16:46 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:16:46 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed In-Reply-To: <000c01c1cf43$1d3a19f0$69756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001101c1cf8b$606dd8e0$a13287d9@a4s1s2> What is it with 700ZXL's at the moment? 100 Monkey Syndrome?! I've got a new pal on another List who today wrote to me to say he's got an excellent condition 700ZXL with attachments and asking me in total innocence, "Is it worth anything?" Hah! Of course, were I like some people I can think of .... I should have said "No - but I'll do you a favour and take it off your hands for fifty bucks ..." But I don't want St Peter refusing me for dishonesty and rampant greed when I go to the Pearly Gates! So, watch this space, guys, if you are wanting an allegedly nice 700ZXL (that'll probably still need a service because it's been laid up) - if my pal decides to sell it on e-bay, as I've suggested he might consider, I'll post a link to anyone who wants to know about it - mail me off-list. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 19 March 2002 12:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Lens needed Hot dog! hold the phone. Kannan that would be a fantastic parts machine for me and has just what I need. I shall be watching it very carefully. Many thanks Kannan. John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Mar 19 22:35:57 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:35:57 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good enough in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure silver ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the cans/earpieces up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Mar 19 23:22:22 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:22:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: Message-ID: <000f01c1cf94$8ae35bf0$29756acf@johnrotten> Aren't those Stephen's favorite cans? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > Hi, > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good enough > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure silver > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the cans/earpieces > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Vanagony at aol.com Wed Mar 20 01:02:30 2002 From: Vanagony at aol.com (Vanagony at aol.com) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:02:30 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Troubleshooting Message-ID: <196.3ff9a25.29c92b96@aol.com> On 3/17/02 I asked for advice to fix an inoperative display on a ZX-9. Stephen Sank responded: I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While recording some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader buttons work? 3/18/02 Response: Yes, the fader buttons ramp the output volume up and down while listening in the "tape"monitor mode. Stephen Sank: The fader clock signal is generated by the meter driver chip, so that narrows the problem down to the meter amp chip, IC303, or it's peripheral components, with a much more remote possibility that the output stages of the meter driver chip, IC901, are bad. To see if IC303 is good, set to source monitor & activate the 400Hz tone. You should then have a steady state DC voltage on pins 1 and 2 of CN-6 connector, that turns on & off when the tone is turned on & off. If no, then replace IC303. If yes, then you may have a bad IC901, MSL9350RS, which is a bit hard to find outside of Nak parts inventories. 3/19/02 Response: When the 400 Hz tone is activated, a steady state DC voltage of about 1.2V is measured at pins 1 and 2 of CN-6. When the tone is shut off the voltage goes to zero. IC303 must be good and IC901 might be bad. I cannot see IC901. Can you tell me which board it is located on and how many pins? Do you sell this chip or can you direct me to Nak parts inventories? Again, many thanks, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 20 02:31:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:31:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: Message-ID: <3C97E654.A832AC83@rcn.com> Before going through such delicate surgery, I would ask myself what I hope to accomplish. Whatever results you obtain, it's highly unlikely sonic improvement is one of them. -- Ron winnie pooh wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good enough > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure silver > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the cans/earpieces > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 20 05:30:52 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:30:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: Message-ID: <012d01c1cfc8$08c4ab40$143442cf@sank1> I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, I'm afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP-7's, they can really crank, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > Hi, > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good enough > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure silver > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the cans/earpieces > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 20 05:34:18 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:34:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Troubleshooting References: <196.3ff9a25.29c92b96@aol.com> Message-ID: <013601c1cfc8$804b1e60$143442cf@sank1> IC901 is on the indicator pcb, which is mounted inside the shield case with the actual LED meter board. I would check for bad solder joints before condemning the chip. I have at least one of these chips in stock, although I would have to look up what Nak charged me for it. Probably ten bucks would cover it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Troubleshooting > > On 3/17/02 I asked for advice to fix an inoperative display on a ZX-9. > > Stephen Sank responded: > I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While > recording some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader > buttons > work? > > 3/18/02 Response: > Yes, the fader buttons ramp the output volume up and down while > listening in the "tape"monitor mode. > > Stephen Sank: > The fader clock signal is generated by the meter driver chip, so that > narrows the problem down to the meter amp chip, IC303, or it's peripheral > components, with a much more remote possibility that the output stages of > the meter driver chip, IC901, are bad. To see if IC303 is good, set to > source monitor & activate the 400Hz tone. You should then have a steady > state DC voltage on pins 1 and 2 of CN-6 connector, that turns on & off when > the tone is turned on & off. If no, then replace IC303. If yes, then you > may have a bad IC901, MSL9350RS, which is a bit hard to find outside of Nak > parts inventories. > > 3/19/02 Response: > When the 400 Hz tone is activated, a steady state DC voltage of about > 1.2V > is measured at pins 1 and 2 of CN-6. When the tone is shut off the voltage > goes > to zero. IC303 must be good and IC901 might be bad. > I cannot see IC901. Can you tell me which board it is located on and > how many pins? Do you sell this chip or can you direct me to Nak parts > inventories? > Again, many thanks, > > Paul > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Cheers, Marc >>> penry at nortelnetworks.com 03/19/02 06:59PM >>> I stopped at a Pawn Shop while visiting a town on the other side of the state and saw a matching pair of Nakamichi equipment. It was a receiver and a cassette deck for home use. The cassette deck was a front loading type where the tape disappears, like a car player. Both units were a grayish color, and I think the cabinets may have been plastic. Each unit was about 8 inches wide, 6 or 8 inches deep, and about 2 or 3 inches tall. I think the cassette deck model was "Cassette Deck" or "Cassette Deck 1", but it does not look like the "Cassette Deck" models on the Naks.com web page. Any idea what these units are and if they are any good, what they are worth? Thanks, Charles ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Mar 20 09:03:33 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:03:33 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones Message-ID: <01C1CFE5.C60BB140.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and would value your inimitable views on the two brands. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, I'm afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- 7's, they can really crank, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > Hi, > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good enough > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure silver > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the cans/earpieces > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 20 09:29:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:29:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: <01C1CFE5.C60BB140.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <019a01c1cfe9$51081ba0$143442cf@sank1> I like my Stax SR44's better, mostly, than the old Nak HP100's, but I'll take the SP-7's over any Stax I've heard, and over any headphones at all that I've ever heard, no contest. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, I'm > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > 7's, > they can really crank, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > enough > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > silver > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > cans/earpieces > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 20 16:52:46 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:52:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: <01C1CFE5.C60BB140.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <009001c1d027$482d39f0$37756acf@johnnyrotten> I have a pair of STAX Electrostatics for sale if anybody is interested. I'll check model number. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, I'm > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > 7's, > they can really crank, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > enough > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > silver > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > cans/earpieces > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Mar 20 20:20:49 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:20:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones Message-ID: <01C1D045.C0CF0C80.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Stephen Thank you, and I am happy to accept this judgement, but this raises two further questions: 1. What technology did Nakamichi use to better the electrostatic Stax family? 2. Could I realistically expect to be able to get hold of a pair of Nak SP-7 headphones? (Rarity or price, or both?) Are they still made, for example? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 08:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones I like my Stax SR44's better, mostly, than the old Nak HP100's, but I'll take the SP-7's over any Stax I've heard, and over any headphones at all that I've ever heard, no contest. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, I'm > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > 7's, > they can really crank, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > enough > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > silver > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > cans/earpieces > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Mar 20 20:38:43 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:38:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Staxheadphones Message-ID: <01C1D047.2DA49220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> John Yes, I might be interested if they were the right model and price - get in touch. (I bought an SR-30/SRD-4 combination from eBay. I had to get Path UK to repair the cans, and modified the energiser myself to work with a pair of monoblock power amps. Upgrading the Staxes is high on my list - I love electrostatics, and worship the twin gods of Martin and Logan! ) How's the 700ZXL? I tried to get a bid in, but it went up too fast at the last minute - you would have won it anyway (choke, sob). Heck of a lot of deck for the money - the buyer (Rudi) definitely thinks you got a bargain! John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 15:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones I have a pair of STAX Electrostatics for sale if anybody is interested. I'll check model number. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, I'm > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > 7's, > they can really crank, though. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > enough > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > silver > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > cans/earpieces > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Wed Mar 20 20:58:41 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:58:41 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE02B@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> didn't take long to find out my search for a nak 480 user's manual was going to be in vain. when i finally find one i'm gonna find a way to post that s.o.b. on the net for all to utilize. if there is somebody out there with the 'sharing of information' spirit that has already done so (or is willing to do so), please let me know. otherwise i'll do it when i locate one. thanx in advance. fed up, Andy Dundis andy.m.dundis at ue-corp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Mar 20 21:06:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:06:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: <01C1D045.C0CF0C80.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <021c01c1d04a$c62734a0$143442cf@sank1> The SP-7's are "ordinary" dynamic phones, just incredibly well designed drivers. A pair pops up on ebay about once every two or three months, and usually go for well above their original $70 retail, i.e., $100-130. But well worth it, obviously. I think they stopped making them in 1990 or so. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > Stephen > Thank you, and I am happy to accept this judgement, but this raises two > further questions: > 1. What technology did Nakamichi use to better the electrostatic Stax > family? > 2. Could I realistically expect to be able to get hold of a pair of Nak > SP-7 headphones? (Rarity or price, or both?) Are they still made, for > example? > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 08:29 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I like my Stax SR44's better, mostly, than the old Nak HP100's, but I'll > take the SP-7's over any Stax I've heard, and over any headphones at all > that I've ever heard, no contest. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 1:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, > I'm > > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > > 7's, > > they can really crank, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "winnie pooh" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > > enough > > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > > silver > > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > > cans/earpieces > > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > > headphone jack. Any suggestions, Stephen? > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 20 21:11:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:11:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... In-Reply-To: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE02B@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <001101c1d04b$5dfa64a0$337387d9@a4s1s2> Best of luck, Andy. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 20 March 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... didn't take long to find out my search for a nak 480 user's manual was going to be in vain. when i finally find one i'm gonna find a way to post that s.o.b. on the net for all to utilize. if there is somebody out there with the 'sharing of information' spirit that has already done so (or is willing to do so), please let me know. otherwise i'll do it when i locate one. thanx in advance. fed up, Andy Dundis andy.m.dundis at ue-corp.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 20 21:18:51 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:18:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE02B@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <02f401c1d04c$73fc21c0$37756acf@johnnyrotten> Call Patty at Nak. in CA and she will send you a copy for free, if you ask her real nicely, I'm serious! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Dundis, Andy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... didn't take long to find out my search for a nak 480 user's manual was going to be in vain. when i finally find one i'm gonna find a way to post that s.o.b. on the net for all to utilize. if there is somebody out there with the 'sharing of information' spirit that has already done so (or is willing to do so), please let me know. otherwise i'll do it when i locate one. thanx in advance. fed up, Andy Dundis andy.m.dundis at ue-corp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Mar 20 21:25:29 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:25:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Staxheadphones References: <01C1D047.2DA49220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <02fc01c1d04d$61104540$37756acf@johnnyrotten> They were purchased from UK many years ago. Expensive leather ear pad model with large SRD-7 energiser, if memory serves. I'll dig them out when I get home. They were going on eBay a long time ago but we could not find SRD-7 unit. 700 ZXL is supposed to leave UK today heading for New Mexico, USA. If only I could get a clean replacement lens. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Staxheadphones > John > Yes, I might be interested if they were the right model and price - get in > touch. (I bought an SR-30/SRD-4 combination from eBay. I had to get Path UK > to repair the cans, and modified the energiser myself to work with a pair > of monoblock power amps. Upgrading the Staxes is high on my list - I love > electrostatics, and worship the twin gods of Martin and Logan! ) > How's the 700ZXL? I tried to get a bid in, but it went up too fast at the > last minute - you would have won it anyway (choke, sob). Heck of a lot of > deck for the money - the buyer (Rudi) definitely thinks you got a bargain! > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 15:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I have a pair of STAX Electrostatics for sale if anybody is interested. > I'll > check model number. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, > I'm > > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > > 7's, > > they can really crank, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "winnie pooh" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > > enough > > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > > silver > > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > > cans/earpieces > > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > > headphone jack. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Wed Mar 20 22:08:25 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:08:25 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones Message-ID: Hello, Thanks to all for your input. Incidentally, saw this HF-100 headphone on German Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1340768868 Is this the same as what you've got, Stephen? Just wondering, how much is it worth? Cheers. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Vanagony at aol.com Wed Mar 20 22:30:59 2002 From: Vanagony at aol.com (Vanagony at aol.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:30:59 EST Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved Message-ID: <87.1909286b.29ca5993@aol.com> On 3/17/02 I asked for advice to fix an inoperative display on a ZX-9. Stephen Sank responded: I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While recording some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader buttons work? 3/18/02 Response: Yes, the fader buttons ramp the output volume up and down while listening in the "tape"monitor mode. Stephen Sank: The fader clock signal is generated by the meter driver chip, so that narrows the problem down to the meter amp chip, IC303, or it's peripheral components, with a much more remote possibility that the output stages of the meter driver chip, IC901, are bad. To see if IC303 is good, set to source monitor & activate the 400Hz tone. You should then have a steady state DC voltage on pins 1 and 2 of CN-6 connector, that turns on & off when the tone is turned on & off. If no, then replace IC303. If yes, then you may have a bad IC901, MSL9350RS, which is a bit hard to find outside of Nak parts inventories. 3/19/02 Response: When the 400 Hz tone is activated, a steady state DC voltage of about 1.2V is measured at pins 1 and 2 of CN-6. When the tone is shut off the voltage goes to zero. IC303 must be good and IC901 might be bad. I cannot see IC901. Can you tell me which board it is located on and how many pins? Do you sell this chip or can you direct me to Nak parts inventories? Stephen Sank: IC901 is on the indicator pcb, which is mounted inside the shield case with the actual LED meter board. I would check for bad solder joints before condemning the chip. I have at least one of these chips in stock, although I would have to look up what Nak charged me for it. Probably ten bucks would cover it. 3/20/02 Response: The ZX-9 was opened today and the indicator pcb was accessed (not an easy job). No cold solder joints were apparent at IC901 but I reflowed them anyway. I reflowed a couple elsewhere on the board that looked questionabe. That's when I noticed a 2A fuse (looks like a precision resistor). It measured open. Replaced the fuse and voila! the display works! I reassembled the unit, slapped in a tape, calibrated levels, copied a CD, started the tape and the CD at the same time and did an A/B comparison using the monitor switch. Virtually the same. Very happy! End of saga. Many thanks to Steve. Gratefully, Paul Kirsch P.S. List members are very fortunate indeed to have someone so willing to give his time and expertise in Naks to a bunch of HiFi junkies. I'm sure most of us have benefitted from these gifts and are truely grateful. We should remember to pass along a hearty recommendation to those we meet who need repairs on their gear or are in the market for the type of gear he sells. P.P.S. How do I get rid of all this gobbldygoop at the end of my postings? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Mar 20 22:39:48 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:39:48 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D65@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Umm..Don't we have a copy on the Naktalk ftp downoad. I have a copy in PDF format. Andy do you want a copy or would you rather try the ftp site. And the answer to the question you may be asking is ..... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 7:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... Best of luck, Andy. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 20 March 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... didn't take long to find out my search for a nak 480 user's manual was going to be in vain. when i finally find one i'm gonna find a way to post that s.o.b. on the net for all to utilize. if there is somebody out there with the 'sharing of information' spirit that has already done so (or is willing to do so), please let me know. otherwise i'll do it when i locate one. thanx in advance. fed up, Andy Dundis andy.m.dundis at ue-corp.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We should remember to pass along a hearty recommendation to those we meet who need repairs on their gear or are in the market for the type of gear he sells. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Mar 20 23:32:35 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:32:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved Message-ID: <01C1D060.3E8C3B60.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I have not directly called on Stephen's advice and help, but it is really, really reassuring to know that it is there. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [SMTP:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 21:43 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved << File: ATT00009.htm >> Amen to that Paul! -----Original Message----- From: Vanagony at aol.com [mailto:Vanagony at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 8:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved End of saga. Many thanks to Steve. Gratefully, Paul Kirsch P.S. List members are very fortunate indeed to have someone so willing to give his time and expertise in Naks to a bunch of HiFi junkies. I'm sure most of us have benefitted from these gifts and are truely grateful. We should remember to pass along a hearty recommendation to those we meet who need repairs on their gear or are in the market for the type of gear he sells. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Mar 20 23:57:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:57:17 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved In-Reply-To: <01C1D060.3E8C3B60.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001901c1d062$955c2160$24b2193e@a4s1s2> I was thinking of getting a video link between Merseyside and New Mexico so Stephen could see what I was doing wrong when I attempt and fail to do the repairs he's recommended! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 20 March 2002 10:33 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved I have not directly called on Stephen's advice and help, but it is really, really reassuring to know that it is there. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos [SMTP:Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 21:43 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved << File: ATT00009.htm >> Amen to that Paul! -----Original Message----- From: Vanagony at aol.com [mailto:Vanagony at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 21 March 2002 8:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved End of saga. Many thanks to Steve. Gratefully, Paul Kirsch P.S. List members are very fortunate indeed to have someone so willing to give his time and expertise in Naks to a bunch of HiFi junkies. I'm sure most of us have benefitted from these gifts and are truely grateful. We should remember to pass along a hearty recommendation to those we meet who need repairs on their gear or are in the market for the type of gear he sells. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com Thu Mar 21 02:24:28 2002 From: chuckwagon29 at hotmail.com (Charles Webster) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:24:28 -0500 Subject: No subject Message-ID: HELP! mailing list, i have to decide whether to buy a TD-250 car deck, plus a MF-31 cd changer. does anyone have an opinion on these pieces? Asap, chuck w _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Thu Mar 21 02:34:18 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:34:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved In-Reply-To: <001901c1d062$955c2160$24b2193e@a4s1s2> References: <01C1D060.3E8C3B60.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C98F24A.2832.13E982A@localhost> > I was thinking of getting a video link between Merseyside and New Mexico so > Stephen could see what I was doing wrong when I attempt and fail to do the > repairs he's recommended! > > Gra' > Hell, Graham, just pack up and cross the pond - take the apprenticeship position, and in no time at all you will be destroying things with the best of them. :>) Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmueller at gdi.net Thu Mar 21 02:40:19 2002 From: jmueller at gdi.net (Jim Mueller) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:40:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones Message-ID: <002e01c1d079$5c9196f0$49c761d8@primeevil> Anyone have experience with these? Are the K340's any good? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 21 02:53:39 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:53:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones References: Message-ID: <025e01c1d07b$39fb2640$143442cf@sank1> I should have said HF100, yes, same model. I got lucky and got this pair for about $63. The only other pair I have seen sold went for over $100 a few months ago. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > Hello, > > Thanks to all for your input. Incidentally, saw this HF-100 headphone on > German Ebay: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1340768868 > > Is this the same as what you've got, Stephen? Just wondering, how much is it > worth? Cheers. > > Kelvin. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 21 02:55:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:55:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved References: <87.1909286b.29ca5993@aol.com> Message-ID: <026701c1d07b$83ceaf80$143442cf@sank1> I would have suggested that fuse right off, but, in theory, the fader should not have worked properly if this fuse was out, since the "fader clock" signal is derived from IC901, which has no power when the fuse is open. Hmmph. That's one to remember. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved > On 3/17/02 I asked for advice to fix an inoperative display on a ZX-9. > > Stephen Sank responded: > I'm going to ask you what will seem like a strange question: While > recording some music & listening in "tape" monitor mode, do the fader buttons > work? > > 3/18/02 Response: > Yes, the fader buttons ramp the output volume up and down while > listening in the "tape"monitor mode. > > Stephen Sank: > The fader clock signal is generated by the meter driver chip, so that > narrows the problem down to the meter amp chip, IC303, or it's peripheral > components, with a much more remote possibility that the output stages of > the meter driver chip, IC901, are bad. To see if IC303 is good, set to > source monitor & activate the 400Hz tone. You should then have a steady > state DC voltage on pins 1 and 2 of CN-6 connector, that turns on & off when > the tone is turned on & off. If no, then replace IC303. If yes, then you > may have a bad IC901, MSL9350RS, which is a bit hard to find outside of Nak > parts inventories. > > 3/19/02 Response: > When the 400 Hz tone is activated, a steady state DC voltage of about > 1.2V > is measured at pins 1 and 2 of CN-6. When the tone is shut off the voltage > goes > to zero. IC303 must be good and IC901 might be bad. > I cannot see IC901. Can you tell me which board it is located on and > how many pins? Do you sell this chip or can you direct me to Nak parts > inventories? > > Stephen Sank: > IC901 is on the indicator pcb, which is mounted inside the shield case > with > the actual LED meter board. I would check for bad solder joints before > condemning the chip. I have at least one of these chips in stock, although > I would have to look up what Nak charged me for it. Probably ten bucks > would cover it. > > 3/20/02 Response: > The ZX-9 was opened today and the indicator pcb was accessed (not an > easy job). No cold solder joints were apparent at IC901 but I reflowed them > anyway. I reflowed a couple elsewhere on the board that looked questionabe. > That's when I noticed a 2A fuse (looks like a precision resistor). It > measured open. Replaced the fuse and voila! the display works! > I reassembled the unit, slapped in a tape, calibrated levels, copied a > CD, started the tape and the CD at the same time and did an A/B comparison > using the monitor switch. Virtually the same. Very happy! > End of saga. Many thanks to Steve. > > Gratefully, Paul Kirsch > > P.S. List members are very fortunate indeed to have someone so willing to > give his time and expertise in Naks to a bunch of HiFi junkies. I'm sure > most of us have benefitted from these gifts and are truely grateful. We > should remember to pass along a hearty recommendation to those we meet who > need repairs on their gear or are in the market for the type of gear he > sells. > > P.P.S. How do I get rid of all this gobbldygoop at the end of my postings? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Thu Mar 21 02:58:22 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:58:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones In-Reply-To: <002e01c1d079$5c9196f0$49c761d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> Jim- I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. Haven't had any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased with the sound quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > Anyone have experience with these? Are the K340's any good? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -- Tim Barrett timbarrett at cox.rr.com Fairfax, VA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 21 03:18:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:18:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> Message-ID: <02b501c1d07e$adadf4c0$143442cf@sank1> Can't recall hearing K340's, but I can say without doubt that the SP-7's mop the floor with the K240's. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Jim Mueller" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > Jim- > > I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. Haven't had > any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased with the sound > quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. > > On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > > > Anyone have experience with these? Are the K340's any good? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > -- Tim Barrett > timbarrett at cox.rr.com > Fairfax, VA > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Mar 21 03:41:12 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:41:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones In-Reply-To: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> References: <002e01c1d079$5c9196f0$49c761d8@primeevil> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020320211302.01fd5d40@mail.verizon.net> My favorites headphones are, and have been as long as I can remember, the great old Sennheiser HD-414's. I have two sets, both have had their earpieces replaced at least three times, and I've replaced the cables on one set. I like that modular construction - cables plug in, not hard wired. They are extremely comfortable and sound decent. I'm not looking for perfection in headphones. The stereo perspective is wildly exaggerated without a blend controls and even that is a band-aid fix, and binaural recordings are few and far between. I don't mind the AKG K240M's but they are not nearly as efficient as the Sennheisers which can be driven loudly by even the wimpiest headphone output. Another fine old pair of cans, if you need the closed type, is the Suprex ST-V two-way. Yep, there's a woofer and a tiny ceramic tweeter on each side. I fitted a funky old pair with new Beyer earpads and they feel and sound terrific. Also very efficient (true 8 ohms). ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 21 06:24:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 05:24:25 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved In-Reply-To: <3C98F24A.2832.13E982A@localhost> Message-ID: <000301c1d098$aa4a7fa0$aef0193e@a4s1s2> I would, Jim, but Stephen's worried by hands of thumbs and no fingers will ruin so many Naks that I'll ruin his reputation .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ol' Jim, hisself Sent: 21 March 2002 01:34 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-9 Display Trouble Solved > I was thinking of getting a video link between Merseyside and New Mexico so > Stephen could see what I was doing wrong when I attempt and fail to do the > repairs he's recommended! > > Gra' > Hell, Graham, just pack up and cross the pond - take the apprenticeship position, and in no time at all you will be destroying things with the best of them. :>) Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 20 March 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] manuals, manuals, manuals... didn't take long to find out my search for a nak 480 user's manual was going to be in vain. when i finally find one i'm gonna find a way to post that s.o.b. on the net for all to utilize. if there is somebody out there with the 'sharing of information' spirit that has already done so (or is willing to do so), please let me know. otherwise i'll do it when i locate one. thanx in advance. fed up, Andy Dundis andy.m.dundis at ue-corp.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Might be a number of us "listeners" may want to attempt more repairs with all this great info.Thanks, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > Can't recall hearing K340's, but I can say without doubt that the SP-7's mop > the floor with the K240's. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Jim Mueller" ; > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > Jim- > > > > I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. > Haven't had > > any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased with > the sound > > quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. > > > > On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > Anyone have experience with these? Are the K340's any good? > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > -- Tim Barrett > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com > > Fairfax, VA > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 21 11:16:28 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 03:16:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> <02b501c1d07e$adadf4c0$143442cf@sank1> <003b01c1d0a4$6b75f0f0$9b70d1d1@D74G7711> Message-ID: <03c301c1d0c1$7791e480$143442cf@sank1> For a solid, cheap & useful DMM, that has capacitance & frequency measurement added to the usual DMM functions, go to http://www.dalbani.com & order #50-5675 @$39. each, or the solar-charged version, #50-2255, for $49. If you want a "high class" meter with the similar capabilities, but theoretically higher precision, go to http://www.mcmelectronics.com & order a Fluke 83, stock #105-211 for $279. Frankly, I haven't felt like my Fluke 83, 87, 37 & 29 meters have really "pulled their weight" of price, compared to a couple of the cheap meters I've gotten from Dalbani & etc. Of course, the Fluke meters can be found on ebay for cheaper, used. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hamilton" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter > Anyone know of a good place to purchase a good digital voltmeter at a good > price? Might be a number of us "listeners" may want to attempt more repairs > with all this great info.Thanks, Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:18 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > Can't recall hearing K340's, but I can say without doubt that the SP-7's > mop > > the floor with the K240's. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Jim Mueller" ; > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > Jim- > > > > > > I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. > > Haven't had > > > any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased > with > > the sound > > > quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone have experience with these? Are the K340's any good? > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > -- Tim Barrett > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com > > > Fairfax, VA > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Thu Mar 21 14:51:06 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:51:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones References: <002e01c1d079$5c9196f0$49c761d8@primeevil> <5.1.0.14.2.20020320211302.01fd5d40@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: I agree, the HD 414 is a great headphone! Especially considering the vintage, late 60-ties? It easily driven because of the 2kOhms impedance. But it will be outperformed sonically by more modern devices, IMHO, unless the amp have problems with lower impedances. The foampads are still avail, and Sennheiser use the same cable plug-ins on today´s phones! Have not yet tested the SP-7... Marcus. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Stager" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > My favorites headphones are, and have been as long as > I can remember, the great old Sennheiser HD-414's. > > I have two sets, both have had their earpieces replaced at > least three times, and I've replaced the cables on one set. > I like that modular construction - cables plug in, not hard wired. > > They are extremely comfortable and sound decent. I'm not > looking for perfection in headphones. The stereo perspective > is wildly exaggerated without a blend controls and even that is > a band-aid fix, and binaural recordings are few and far between. > I don't mind the AKG K240M's but they are not nearly as efficient > as the Sennheisers which can be driven loudly by even the > wimpiest headphone output. > > Another fine old pair of cans, if you need the closed type, is the > Suprex ST-V two-way. Yep, there's a woofer and a tiny ceramic > tweeter on each side. I fitted a funky old pair with new Beyer > earpads and they feel and sound terrific. Also very efficient > (true 8 ohms). > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have some problems with an online company and > would like to calculate the time difference in order to call during working > hours. > > Thanks, > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Mar 21 14:53:35 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 07:53:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Completely OT : Area code In-Reply-To: Message-ID: George - Nebraska, which is in Central Time Zone as Chicago, one hour behind New York City (GMT+6). Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Thu, March 21, 2002 5:55 AM To: g_valkov at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Completely OT : Area code Hi George, As far as I can see, that should be one of two dialling codes applying to Nebraska, but I might not be up-to-date. Our American friends will be able to advise if there have been changes. Regards, Marc >>> g_valkov at hotmail.com 03/21/02 01:28PM >>> Apologies for the way-off question : can someone from US pls tell me where is phone area code 402 ? I have some problems with an online company and would like to calculate the time difference in order to call during working hours. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Thu, March 21, 2002 5:55 AM To: g_valkov at hotmail.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Completely OT : Area code Hi George, As far as I can see, that should be one of two dialling codes applying to Nebraska, but I might not be up-to-date. Our American friends will be able to advise if there have been changes. Regards, Marc >>> g_valkov at hotmail.com 03/21/02 01:28PM >>> Apologies for the way-off question : can someone from US pls tell me where is phone area code 402 ? I have some problems with an online company and would like to calculate the time difference in order to call during working hours. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have some problems with an online company and > would like to calculate the time difference in order to call during working > hours. > > Thanks, > George > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Mar 21 15:15:48 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 09:15:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> <02b501c1d07e$adadf4c0$143442cf@sank1> <003b01c1d0a4$6b75f0f0$9b70d1d1@D74G7711> <03c301c1d0c1$7791e480$143442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <013a01c1d0e2$e69e87e0$17756acf@johnnyrotten> We should get a group purchase here! The Digital Solar sells for $49 each but 3 would only be $37 each or 5 only $33 each! I'm willing to be the mass order guy here. Anybody interested? Even if each unit needed say $5.00 to ship to each individual we would still be ahead. USA Members perhaps only unless you are willing to expect high postage costs to overseas address. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter > For a solid, cheap & useful DMM, that has capacitance & frequency > measurement added to the usual DMM functions, go to http://www.dalbani.com & > order #50-5675 @$39. each, or the solar-charged version, #50-2255, for $49. > If you want a "high class" meter with the similar capabilities, but > theoretically higher precision, go to http://www.mcmelectronics.com & order > a Fluke 83, stock #105-211 for $279. Frankly, I haven't felt like my Fluke > 83, 87, 37 & 29 meters have really "pulled their weight" of price, compared > to a couple of the cheap meters I've gotten from Dalbani & etc. Of course, > the Fluke meters can be found on ebay for cheaper, used. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter > > > > Anyone know of a good place to purchase a good digital voltmeter at a good > > price? Might be a number of us "listeners" may want to attempt more > repairs > > with all this great info.Thanks, Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > Can't recall hearing K340's, but I can say without doubt that the SP-7's > > mop > > > the floor with the K240's. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Jim Mueller" ; > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > > > > Jim- > > > > > > > > I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. > > > Haven't had > > > > any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased > > with > > > the sound > > > > quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. > > > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anyone have experience with these? 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 21 16:02:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:02:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> <02b501c1d07e$adadf4c0$143442cf@sank1> <003b01c1d0a4$6b75f0f0$9b70d1d1@D74G7711> <03c301c1d0c1$7791e480$143442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C99F5EA.71ABBFF2@rcn.com> I tend to agree with Stephen on Fluke DMMs -- good, but way overpriced. I've owned a Model 8020B for about 15 years. During this time it required a new LCD display, has lost the high current range and the plastic prop-up legs have disintegrated. During much of that period it saw professional day-in-day-out action. I have now replaced it with a Triplett Model 2103 4-3/4 digits auto ranging DMM that includes measurements for capacitance, inductance frequency and temperature, in addition to testing transistors and outputting square waves at select frequencies. It has 5 memories and can be interfaced to a PC (a diskette with S/W is included). It comes a with a 3 year warranty. I paid $200. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > For a solid, cheap & useful DMM, that has capacitance & frequency > measurement added to the usual DMM functions, go to http://www.dalbani.com & > order #50-5675 @$39. each, or the solar-charged version, #50-2255, for $49. > If you want a "high class" meter with the similar capabilities, but > theoretically higher precision, go to http://www.mcmelectronics.com & order > a Fluke 83, stock #105-211 for $279. Frankly, I haven't felt like my Fluke > 83, 87, 37 & 29 meters have really "pulled their weight" of price, compared > to a couple of the cheap meters I've gotten from Dalbani & etc. Of course, > the Fluke meters can be found on ebay for cheaper, used. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter > > > Anyone know of a good place to purchase a good digital voltmeter at a good > > price? Might be a number of us "listeners" may want to attempt more > repairs > > with all this great info.Thanks, Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > Can't recall hearing K340's, but I can say without doubt that the SP-7's > > mop > > > the floor with the K240's. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Jim Mueller" ; > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > > > > Jim- > > > > > > > > I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. > > > Haven't had > > > > any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased > > with > > > the sound > > > > quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. > > > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anyone have experience with these? 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I had to get Path UK > to repair the cans, and modified the energiser myself to work with a pair > of monoblock power amps. Upgrading the Staxes is high on my list - I love > electrostatics, and worship the twin gods of Martin and Logan! ) > How's the 700ZXL? I tried to get a bid in, but it went up too fast at the > last minute - you would have won it anyway (choke, sob). Heck of a lot of > deck for the money - the buyer (Rudi) definitely thinks you got a bargain! > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 15:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > I have a pair of STAX Electrostatics for sale if anybody is interested. > I'll > check model number. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 3:03 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > I have never heard of Nak headphones until now. Do they automatically > > adjust the azimuth of the listener's head so that it is facing in EXACTLY > > the same direction as that of the original recording studio? :) And an > > actuator to lift your wig off once the music is up to speed? :-)) > > > > Seriously, Stephen - I have just invested in some old Stax headphones and > > would value your inimitable views on the two brands. > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 04:31 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > I haven't attempted it yet. I've been so enthusiastically happy with how > > they sound as stock, I have not felt so compelled. > > Incidentally, I just bought myself a pair of the older HP100 Nak phones, > > first time I've ever heard a pair. They are not as good as the SP-7's, > I'm > > afraid, but they're not far off, and have lovely midrange. Like the SP- > > 7's, > > they can really crank, though. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "winnie pooh" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 2:35 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi SP7 headphones > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Does anyone have any experience of modifying these? Or are they good > > enough > > > in stock form that no modification is needed? What I was thinking is if > > > anyone has ever tried to replace the standard issue leads with pure > > silver > > > ones? How easy would this be because you'll have to open the > > cans/earpieces > > > up and then desolder the old wires and replace with new ones and a new > > > headphone jack. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 21 19:41:08 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:41:08 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 In-Reply-To: <3AB6C7DC.623A2E8D@snet.net> Message-ID: <001d01c1d107$f771ef60$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> If anyone wants one of these for their collection, a friend of mine - laid off from his airline (you can guess which one) - is selling most of his hi fi collection to buy food! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341017390 Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: 20 March 2001 03:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good sounding decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same vintage. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > PS > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > decks are very impressive... > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Mar 21 20:28:15 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:28:15 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 References: <001d01c1d107$f771ef60$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000401c1d10e$8c1f66a0$64fbb440@pii366custom> Couple of listings under Na(c)kamichi going cheap for $25.00 within 24 hours. Probably good for parts. Any takers? BX-150 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339708889 OMS-7 CD http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1339714035 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 21 22:33:19 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:33:19 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D6F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That wouldn't be Ansett by chance? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 5:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 If anyone wants one of these for their collection, a friend of mine - laid off from his airline (you can guess which one) - is selling most of his hi fi collection to buy food! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341017390 Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: 20 March 2001 03:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good sounding decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same vintage. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > PS > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > decks are very impressive... > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 22 00:38:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:38:53 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D01365D6F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <005401c1d131$8f8efd00$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> No, Continental. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 21 March 2002 09:33 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 That wouldn't be Ansett by chance? Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 22 March 2002 5:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 If anyone wants one of these for their collection, a friend of mine - laid off from his airline (you can guess which one) - is selling most of his hi fi collection to buy food! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341017390 Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: 20 March 2001 03:01 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good sounding decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same vintage. Ed SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these are > two great decks: > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > Pioneer CT-F950 > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them in > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? 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Jim Graham Nelson wrote: > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > G > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Go buy an Orbe with an SME V instead. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, 22 March, 2002 00:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE > > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > G > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Mar 22 03:38:36 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:38:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE References: <006301c1d137$300190e0$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <052101c1d14a$abacd3e0$143442cf@sank1> A direct drive version of an Oracle. Isn't the SAEC a kind of mediocre & inexpensive arm? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > G > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Mar 22 03:41:22 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:41:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE Message-ID: <20020321.214122.-4094287.1.josephj69@juno.com> No, the SAEC's are absolutely SUPERB arms, but a lot of purists don't like them because they use weird overhang geometry that is very nonstandard. They must be set up according to SAEC's explicit instructions or they don't perform well. The setup minimizes tracking error at the inner groove rather than the outer groove, which is part of the design of their elaborate antiskate system. It's explained in an essay called "SAEC Concept." I have a copy around here that I can scan if anyone gives a rat's behind. - Joe On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:38:36 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > A direct drive version of an Oracle. Isn't the SAEC a kind of > mediocre & > inexpensive arm? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE > > > > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > > > G > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 22 13:51:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:51:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 References: <001d01c1d107$f771ef60$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C9B28E1.3869D868@rcn.com> Graham, Do advise your friend that there is no mention in the item description concerning shipping cost or method of payment, even though it says up top, 'see item description' for this information. This does not inspire confidence -- it's a ruse used by rip-off artists to charge exorbitant shipping costs after the auction, when the winner is "hot". Personally, I would never bid on such an auction. Another red flag: he assures us 'this is a plug and play cassette player' but, OTOH, insists on an 'as is' sale... -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > If anyone wants one of these for their collection, a friend of mine - laid > off from his airline (you can guess which one) - is selling most of his hi > fi collection to buy food! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341017390 > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ed Noyes > Sent: 20 March 2001 03:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 > > I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good > sounding > decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same > vintage. > > Ed > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these > are > > two great decks: > > > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > > > Pioneer CT-F950 > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them > in > > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > > > PS > > > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > > decks are very impressive... > > > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 18:49:07 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:49:07 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE References: <006301c1d137$300190e0$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> <052101c1d14a$abacd3e0$143442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3C9B6E92.35A31F0A@earthlink.net> Wish I could say that I'm familiar with that arm, but I'm not. Jim Stephen Sank wrote: > A direct drive version of an Oracle. Isn't the SAEC a kind of mediocre & > inexpensive arm? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE > > > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > > > G > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 18:50:10 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:50:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE References: <20020321.214122.-4094287.1.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3C9B6ED1.BC2233BF@earthlink.net> Superb compared to what arms? Jim josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > No, the SAEC's are absolutely SUPERB arms, but a lot of purists don't > like them because they use weird overhang geometry that is very > nonstandard. They must be set up according to SAEC's explicit > instructions or they don't perform well. The setup minimizes tracking > error at the inner groove rather than the outer groove, which is part of > the design of their elaborate antiskate system. It's explained in an > essay called "SAEC Concept." I have a copy around here that I can scan > if anyone gives a rat's behind. > > - Joe > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:38:36 -0700 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > A direct drive version of an Oracle. Isn't the SAEC a kind of > > mediocre & > > inexpensive arm? > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:19 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE > > > > > > > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > > > > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > > > > > G > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 19:02:44 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:02:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 References: <001d01c1d107$f771ef60$cd9c193e@a4s1s2> <3C9B28E1.3869D868@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3C9B71C3.BB6EAEFB@earthlink.net> Perhaps he meant "plug and pray". Jim ron wrote: > Graham, > > Do advise your friend that there is no mention in the > item description concerning shipping cost or method > of payment, even though it says up top, 'see item > description' for this information. This does not > inspire confidence -- it's a ruse used by rip-off artists > to charge exorbitant shipping costs after the auction, > when the winner is "hot". Personally, I would never > bid on such an auction. > > Another red flag: he assures us 'this is a plug and > play cassette player' but, OTOH, insists on an 'as > is' sale... > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > If anyone wants one of these for their collection, a friend of mine - laid > > off from his airline (you can guess which one) - is selling most of his hi > > fi collection to buy food! > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341017390 > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ed Noyes > > Sent: 20 March 2001 03:01 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 > > > > I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good > > sounding > > decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same > > vintage. > > > > Ed > > > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > > > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these > > are > > > two great decks: > > > > > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > > > > > Pioneer CT-F950 > > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > > > > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them > > in > > > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > > > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > > > > > PS > > > > > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > > > decks are very impressive... > > > > > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Mar 22 19:07:29 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:07:29 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WM-D3 Professional Walkman References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> Message-ID: <001201c1d1cc$6e591530$3db5b742@pii366custom> My Sony WM-D3 Professional Walkman has served me well, but recently it plays with an uneven sound, not in the volume, but it's more like it's belt is slipping or something. Especially discernible when listening to piano notes or certain other instruments. Even after putting in fresh batteries and cleaning the tape path & pinch roller, there is no improvement. Do these things require belt replacement / servicing or is it more likely that the motor is going bad on me? If it is the belt, is it something that can be replaced by myself with standard miniature tools? I know working on these mini components is a pain in the rear. Anyone had a similar problem and found a solution? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 22 20:19:56 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:19:56 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 In-Reply-To: <3C9B71C3.BB6EAEFB@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000c01c1d1d6$8d55c6e0$55a2193e@a4s1s2> LOL! Thanks guys, I'll pass on your comments. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: 22 March 2002 06:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 Perhaps he meant "plug and pray". Jim ron wrote: Graham, Do advise your friend that there is no mention in the item description concerning shipping cost or method of payment, even though it says up top, 'see item description' for this information. This does not inspire confidence -- it's a ruse used by rip-off artists to charge exorbitant shipping costs after the auction, when the winner is "hot". Personally, I would never bid on such an auction. Another red flag: he assures us 'this is a plug and play cassette player' but, OTOH, insists on an 'as is' sale... -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > If anyone wants one of these for their collection, a friend of mine - laid > off from his airline (you can guess which one) - is selling most of his hi > fi collection to buy food! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341017390 > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ed Noyes > Sent: 20 March 2001 03:01 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: CT-F950 > > I've owned a couple of 950's and would have to say that they are pretty good > sounding > decks, but would not even come close to my 700II from about the same > vintage. > > Ed > > SBarr12393 at aol.com wrote: > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Have you ever owned or worked on one of these? They look VERY impressive, > > and if they sound half as good as they look and their descriptions, these > are > > two great decks: > > > > Pioneer CT-F1250 > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/PioneerCT-F1250_collage.jpg > > > > Pioneer CT-F950 > > http://www.oaktreeent.com/web_photos/hi-fi/Pioneer_CT-F950_collage.jpg > > > > I really like them both, one has been sold. If you've "ran" across them > in > > your travels, how would they rank against NAKs? Comparable to any NAKs > > (e.g., 700, 700 II)? > > > > PS > > > > I'll have to locate my translation CD to translate this website, but the > > decks are very impressive... > > > > http://tron.is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/cas-2.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Exstedt" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: [naktalk] This is only a test > This is only a test. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I suffer with examination nerves .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: 22 March 2002 10:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] This is only a test This is only a test. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Exstedt" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > I am sorry to all the Nakers out there who I may have caused any pain. > A few had notified me saying I had a computer virus. > Since then I have subscribed using my work e-mail address. > Once again, Big Bear is sorry. > - Mark Exstedt (Owner of Dragon, ZX-7, LX-3, and BX-2) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 23 02:49:40 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:49:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 References: <000801c1d1ee$16f5be70$7f021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003b01c1d20c$ffcdc340$343442cf@sank1> No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? Enough to buy the tt? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 Is it nice to "tease/tempt" Stephen with these? http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?anlgtabl&1022014794&2&3&4& ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 23 02:50:58 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:50:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry References: <01da01c1d1f8$62b1d240$7f021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <004701c1d20d$2e2a0c80$343442cf@sank1> I can give you Mark's Dragon, since it is here for service.;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > Give me your Dragon and we'll call it even. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Exstedt" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:05 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > I am sorry to all the Nakers out there who I may have caused any pain. > > A few had notified me saying I had a computer virus. > > Since then I have subscribed using my work e-mail address. > > Once again, Big Bear is sorry. > > - Mark Exstedt (Owner of Dragon, ZX-7, LX-3, and BX-2) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 23 02:57:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 01:57:19 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry In-Reply-To: <004701c1d20d$2e2a0c80$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002c01c1d20e$11080d40$55a2193e@a4s1s2> I thought you were giving that to me as a belated birthday present ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 23 March 2002 01:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry I can give you Mark's Dragon, since it is here for service.;-) Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > Give me your Dragon and we'll call it even. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Exstedt" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:05 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > I am sorry to all the Nakers out there who I may have caused any pain. > > A few had notified me saying I had a computer virus. > > Since then I have subscribed using my work e-mail address. > > Once again, Big Bear is sorry. > > - Mark Exstedt (Owner of Dragon, ZX-7, LX-3, and BX-2) > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Mar 23 03:01:25 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:01:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry References: <01da01c1d1f8$62b1d240$7f021fac@brianm> <004701c1d20d$2e2a0c80$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <01f701c1d20e$a4313d30$7f021fac@brianm> Sounds good, but service it first. :) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > I can give you Mark's Dragon, since it is here for service.;-) > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > Give me your Dragon and we'll call it even. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Exstedt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:05 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > > > > I am sorry to all the Nakers out there who I may have caused any pain. > > > A few had notified me saying I had a computer virus. > > > Since then I have subscribed using my work e-mail address. > > > Once again, Big Bear is sorry. > > > - Mark Exstedt (Owner of Dragon, ZX-7, LX-3, and BX-2) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 23 03:03:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 02:03:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 In-Reply-To: <003b01c1d20c$ffcdc340$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002d01c1d20e$fb34c840$55a2193e@a4s1s2> That's a good idea. I could sell the twins and my wife. Any takers?? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 23 March 2002 01:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? Enough to buy the tt? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 Is it nice to "tease/tempt" Stephen with these? http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?anlgtabl&1022014794&2&3&4& --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 23 03:12:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:12:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony WM-D3 Professional Walkman References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> <001201c1d1cc$6e591530$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <007401c1d210$3f9dcb20$343442cf@sank1> It'll be one of two things. I can't recall if the D3 has the same sort of flywheel rim-drive as the D6, but if it does, then you'd likely just need to give the rubberised capstan flywheel rim a good cleaning. If not, it has a normal belt drive, it will simply need a new belt, which will be a thin, square-cut belt that would be available(orderable by dimensions) from many different general parts distributors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] Sony WM-D3 Professional Walkman > My Sony WM-D3 Professional Walkman has served me well, but recently it plays > with an uneven sound, not in the volume, but it's more like it's belt is > slipping or something. Especially discernible when listening to piano notes > or certain other instruments. Even after putting in fresh batteries and > cleaning the tape path & pinch roller, there is no improvement. > > Do these things require belt replacement / servicing or is it more likely > that the motor is going bad on me? If it is the belt, is it something that > can be replaced by myself with standard miniature tools? I know working on > these mini components is a pain in the rear. > > Anyone had a similar problem and found a solution? > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > That's a good idea. I could sell the twins and my wife. Any takers?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 23 March 2002 01:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > > No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you > think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? Enough to buy > the tt? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > > Is it nice to "tease/tempt" Stephen with these? > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?anlgtabl&1022014794&2&3&4& > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Mar 23 03:34:21 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 19:34:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry References: <002c01c1d20e$11080d40$55a2193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <009d01c1d213$3df40b60$343442cf@sank1> No, I'm giving you Kent's ZX-7 for you birthday, gonzo! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > I thought you were giving that to me as a belated birthday present ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 23 March 2002 01:51 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > I can give you Mark's Dragon, since it is here for service.;-) > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > Give me your Dragon and we'll call it even. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Exstedt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:05 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > > > > I am sorry to all the Nakers out there who I may have caused any pain. > > > A few had notified me saying I had a computer virus. > > > Since then I have subscribed using my work e-mail address. > > > Once again, Big Bear is sorry. > > > - Mark Exstedt (Owner of Dragon, ZX-7, LX-3, and BX-2) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > That's a good idea. I could sell the twins and my wife. Any takers?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 23 March 2002 01:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > > No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you > think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? Enough to buy > the tt? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > > Is it nice to "tease/tempt" Stephen with these? > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?anlgtabl&1022014794&2&3&4& > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Mar 23 17:33:04 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 11:33:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 References: <002d01c1d20e$fb34c840$55a2193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C9CAE40.7C50BB1B@rcn.com> Don't know why, this reminds me of this guy, who asks a friend, "How much would you pay for my wife?" The friend says, "Nothing". The guy says, "It's a deal!" -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > That's a good idea. I could sell the twins and my wife. Any takers?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 23 March 2002 01:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you > think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? Enough to buy > the tt? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 3:08 PM > Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > Is it nice to "tease/tempt" Stephen with these? > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?anlgtabl&1022014794&2&3&4& > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 23 18:16:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:16:44 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 In-Reply-To: <3C9CAE40.7C50BB1B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c1d28e$81aef380$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> ROFLOL!!! (And wetting myself, too!!!!!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ron Sent: 23 March 2002 04:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 Don't know why, this reminds me of this guy, who asks a friend, "How much would you pay for my wife?" The friend says, "Nothing". The guy says, "It's a deal!" -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > That's a good idea. I could sell the twins and my wife. Any takers?? > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 23 March 2002 01:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you > think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? Enough to buy > the tt? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Mar 23 21:37:53 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:37:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE Message-ID: <20020323.154422.-140819.7.josephj69@juno.com> I can tell you SAEC's bottom of the WE-308 is better than a stock RB-300. I've got both mounted my Micro and I've tried a Denon 103 and a Grado in both arms. The SAEC especially likes the Denon. It's a fairly high mass arm, so that should make sense. The SAEC's have been going for outrageous prices on the used market, especially in Japan. I've seen people pay nearly $1,000 for a WE-407 GX. I think that arm was about $475 new in 1985. - Joe Superb compared to what arms? Jim josephj69 at juno.com wrote: No, the SAEC's are absolutely SUPERB arms, but a lot of purists don't like them because they use weird overhang geometry that is very nonstandard. They must be set up according to SAEC's explicit instructions or they don't perform well. The setup minimizes tracking error at the inner groove rather than the outer groove, which is part of the design of their elaborate antiskate system. It's explained in an essay called "SAEC Concept." I have a copy around here that I can scan if anyone gives a rat's behind. - Joe On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:38:36 -0700 "Stephen Sank" writes: > A direct drive version of an Oracle. Isn't the SAEC a kind of > mediocre & > inexpensive arm? > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 5:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE > > > > Dribble..... slurp ..... > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1338935591 > > > > Over $1.5k and still not reached he reserve ... > > > > G > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 23 23:23:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 22:23:29 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Transferring Vinyl Records to CD-R In-Reply-To: <000d01c1d28e$81aef380$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001d01c1d2b9$5ba4e340$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> I picked up this article lest anyone is interested. Graham Featured FAQs - Transferring Vinyl Records to CD-R (by T.J. Lee) TNPCer Jack B. wrote in with the following problem, "I have a CD- ROM burner and I want to find out how to transfer some old records and tapes to CD-R. Where can I find more information on how to do this?" For those of you old enough to remember vinyl LPs, and who may even have some licorice platters tucked in the back of the closet, you'll be glad to know that not only can this be done, but there are a number of service outfits that can take your old wax and transfer them onto CD. http://www.TheNakedPC.com/t/423/tr.cgi?ffaq1 http://www.TheNakedPC.com/t/423/tr.cgi?ffaq2 For those audiophiles out there who wouldn't think of letting a stranger lay there hands on their cherished LPs, there's a ton of information on the "do it yourself" approach at "Transferring LPs to CDR: Some Advice" site written by some serious sound hounds. http://www.TheNakedPC.com/t/423/tr.cgi?ffaq3 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From quoscdr at iname.com Sat Mar 23 23:43:15 2002 From: quoscdr at iname.com (Quos) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:43:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? In-Reply-To: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hello everyone, I recently posted some questions about a 581 deck which I was planning to buy. I now have the deck here and my brief tests so far indicate it appears to be working fine. However I do not have a manual for it. Anyone with scans of the manual for this or similar model? Best regards, /Markku -- My bootleg tradelist: http://homepage.mac.com/quoscdr/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Mar 24 01:45:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 17:45:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01eb01c1d2cd$295a58c0$343442cf@sank1> http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/english/ username- naktalk password- limited Download the 582Z owner's manual, which is identical in all respects but for the addition of the tape/source monitor switch. Just ignore where it says to select tape monitor mode in the calibration procedures, as the meters will read what's actually been recorded on the tape for cal level setting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quos" To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? > Hello everyone, > > I recently posted some questions about a 581 deck which I was > planning to buy. I now have the deck here and my brief tests so far > indicate it appears to be working fine. > > However I do not have a manual for it. Anyone with scans of the > manual for this or similar model? > > > Best regards, > > /Markku > -- > My bootleg tradelist: http://homepage.mac.com/quoscdr/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Mar 24 09:14:55 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:14:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME References: <20020323.154422.-140819.7.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001c01c1d30b$fbfac060$75289bca@smarzuki> Interestingly, the TX1000 on http://www.niji.or.jp/home/k-nisi/tx-1000.htm uses SME 3009/III. Does it mean that Nak 'endorsed' SME as its best matching tonearm ... or the others (incl SAEC) were simply not available back then ? Going more OT, any comment or comparison from nakkers regrading SME III vs RB300 ? Which one do you like better using 'average' cartridge ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 3:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: WIN RESEARCH SEC-10 TRANSCRIPTION TURNTABLE I can tell you SAEC's bottom of the WE-308 is better than a stock RB-300. I've got both mounted my Micro and I've tried a Denon 103 and a Grado in both arms. The SAEC especially likes the Denon. It's a fairly high mass arm, so that should make sense. The SAEC's have been going for outrageous prices on the used market, especially in Japan. I've seen people pay nearly $1,000 for a WE-407 GX. I think that arm was about $475 new in 1985. - Joe Superb compared to what arms? Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Mar 24 09:08:16 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:08:16 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? Message-ID: <01C1D30B.241D8560.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Does the link in the e-mail below raise a serious issue that ought to be debated in this forum? Markku's site offers CD-R bootlegs. My question: Are Naktalk subscribers comfortable to have their site used to advertise bootlegs, albeit for 'personal' use only? The material is exchanged for personal use and no money changes hands. Fine, but should Naktalk be associated with the activity? The original recordings are made without the consent of the artist, aren't they? Is Markku's site unusual, or is it one of many on the Internet? My concern: I really, really do not wish to be associated with any activity that provides 'evidence' of widespread copyright infringement, and which can be used by record companies (no matter how unjustly, in our eyes) to argue the case for copy protection schemes that reduce sound quality. (The major record labels are reluctant to push DVD-A material into the market without copy protection - the first attempt was hacked by a 15 year old Scandinavian schoolboy (embarrassing for them, but true) and placed on the Internet. This would allow anyone with a DVD equipped PC to unscramble the data and create 'clear' copies.) OK. That's my viewpoint. This is a discussion forum, so over to the rest of you. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Quos [SMTP:quoscdr at iname.com] Sent: Saturday, 23 March, 2002 22:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? Hello everyone, I recently posted some questions about a 581 deck which I was planning to buy. I now have the deck here and my brief tests so far indicate it appears to be working fine. However I do not have a manual for it. Anyone with scans of the manual for this or similar model? Best regards, /Markku -- My bootleg tradelist: http://homepage.mac.com/quoscdr/ ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 24 09:59:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 08:59:24 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME In-Reply-To: <001c01c1d30b$fbfac060$75289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002101c1d312$321e4080$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> I have not yet had the chance to compare a RB300 and SME III; however, I have heard from a few others that while the bog standard RB300 is not as good as the SME, a RB300 with the Origin Live conversion is easily a match for it, esp. if the internal wiring is updated with silver wire, too. I can vouch for the Origin Live conversion - I had my RB300 done and it did make a big difference in a very positive way. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 March 2002 08:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME Going more OT, any comment or comparison from nakkers regrading SME III vs RB300 ? Which one do you like better using 'average' cartridge ? Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Mar 24 10:17:53 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:17:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website Message-ID: I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved Nakamichi's? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Mar 24 10:19:06 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:19:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME Message-ID: <01C1D314.F7209980.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> When you say SME III, do you mean the old 'S' shaped 3009/3012, or the much more recent, straight 309? (I'm a snooty old elitist with an SME IV - I have never felt the urge to do an arm shoot out, but I know I prefer a PT Anniversary/SME IV to a Linn LP12/Ittok by miles - I replaced the latter with the former!) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 24 March, 2002 08:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME I have not yet had the chance to compare a RB300 and SME III; however, I have heard from a few others that while the bog standard RB300 is not as good as the SME, a RB300 with the Origin Live conversion is easily a match for it, esp. if the internal wiring is updated with silver wire, too. I can vouch for the Origin Live conversion - I had my RB300 done and it did make a big difference in a very positive way. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 March 2002 08:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME Going more OT, any comment or comparison from nakkers regrading SME III vs RB300 ? Which one do you like better using 'average' cartridge ? Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 24 11:18:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:18:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c1d31d$4b3bb100$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> My preliminary conclusion on this debate is: "I don't feel any gestures we might consider against bootlegging will make any difference ... May as well live and let live." To explain how I reached that: I'm probably as guilty as any for copying CDs on my Naks and other cassette decks before that (although only now I have the ZX-9 are they anything like decent copies of the original!) I see no problem in copying one's own CDs for ones own use on another medium - e.g. CD to cassette. I think that is legitimate and the artist is not being deprived in such circumstances. Where I get guilty pangs (and so I should) are for the recordings made from other people's CDs, where someone else has bought the CD and I've taken a copy of it - in those instances I have deprived the artist of their proper copyright fee. It is a kind of theft. May be a seemingly minor misdemeanour, akin to stealing a ballpoint pen from the office stationary store, but it's a lot of pens over a long time by a lot of people, meaning the artists are being deprived of income. Our hearts may not bleed for the big artists, esp. not Maria Carey after she got a golden handshake from EMI of £30m for terminating her contract with them, but the bulk of recording artists are not huge stars earning telephone number salaries. As for bootlegging concerts, I think the artists would have something to say about that. (You still around fellow Nakophile Jon Spencer? I note from DatHeads there are plenty of people dealing in bootlegs of your concerts - you must have a view on it. ;o) ) The audience is not simply paying for the money in their concert ticket - after all, they'd probably get better quality sound for half the cost by buying the CD, and they could listen to THAT more than once, too. When you go to a gig you are buying the ambience, the atmosphere and the singularly uniqueness of live music that is lost as soon as it's recorded, just as a photograph can never reproduce the feeling of being there when the picture was taken. On the other hand ... If I had not been able to copy the CDs from a music library would I have bought the CDs? Probably not! (Recording companies take note!) I take care over the CDs or vinyl I buy because, at often up to £15 a go for a CD or £20-£30 for a record, it's not cheap! So, I usually listen very carefully before I buy . Thus, I only buy what I REALLY want. And the CDs from the library are recorded on cassette generally only because it was "free" and on the off-chance that I'll like them. (And then, it's only an edited extract because C90s can't record a full CD onto one side!) It's my way of finding out about artists I've never heard properly before. Sometimes, if I really do like them I'll go out and by the full CD or another CD. Thus I often find the recordings I've made of library copy CDs are rarely played anything like a frequently as the CDs or records I specially chose, or even the dubs I've made of them. None of this actually directly answers John's question: Should we associate with Bootlegs recording sites? There are two ways that this question could be approached. 1) the ethical; 2) the political. The ethical is the moral issue of bootlegging. Me, I'm not about to cast the first stone on that score because I've been a sinner for years! It would seem hypocritical of me to complain. The political is about practicalities rather than morality ... i.e. evaluating if this behaviour, regardless of it being right or wrong, will have as detrimental effect upon our interests. In THIS particular instance, frankly, I doubt it. Cynically, I feel the recording industry has already made up it's mind about copyright protection and, in anycase, my impression is that 90% of it never bothered that much about true hi fidelity anyway. You guys with very revealing, transparent, systems will know what I'm talking about - much of the modern popular recordings are a mush of layer upon layer of sound! There will still be the "minority sports" areas - classical and jazz - where quality will probably be maintained but then, probably only because bootlegging isn't a big problem in those areas (save for recording made off the radio!) Thus, I don't feel any gestures we might consider against bootlegging will make any difference whatsoever. May as well live and let live. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: 24 March 2002 09:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved Nakamichi's? _ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 24 11:18:49 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 10:18:49 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME In-Reply-To: <01C1D314.F7209980.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002501c1d31d$4a1e5a20$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> PT Anniversary, eh? I'd certainly trade in my PT TOO for one of those ... tho' having been rather disappointed with the PT TOO I'd want a good long listen before hand, not o mention a play with a strobe disc and light to make sure it really does play to speed! ;o) Well, the people I have spoken to were comparing the old S shapes to the Rega RB300 and RB300 Origin Live version (and then, not the silver wired one as I have.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 24 March 2002 09:19 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME When you say SME III, do you mean the old 'S' shaped 3009/3012, or the much more recent, straight 309? (I'm a snooty old elitist with an SME IV - I have never felt the urge to do an arm shoot out, but I know I prefer a PT Anniversary/SME IV to a Linn LP12/Ittok by miles - I replaced the latter with the former!) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 24 March, 2002 08:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME I have not yet had the chance to compare a RB300 and SME III; however, I have heard from a few others that while the bog standard RB300 is not as good as the SME, a RB300 with the Origin Live conversion is easily a match for it, esp. if the internal wiring is updated with silver wire, too. I can vouch for the Origin Live conversion - I had my RB300 done and it did make a big difference in a very positive way. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Mar 24 14:30:13 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 13:30:13 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website Message-ID: <01C1D338.1E37FEA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Guys Thanks for the contributions. (Markku, I was NOT complaining about your activities- as I said, I wanted to debate the issues.) I believe that it is currently alright to make a copy of a recording that you own for your own use, say in the car or kitchen - that is what I use cassette and CD-R for. I believe that the same legal argument allows the purchaser to take a back-up copy of software distribution discs. So, no need to feel guilty, Graham. (Why do you always blame yourself, by the way? :) ) However, the latest experiment by the record companies prevents one doing even that. One record company released a CD earlier this year that would not play on 'data' drives .This limitation was not advertised, and it caused quite a fuss, because a sizeable number of consumers use their PC's as a primary music source, and why not? See Angus Fox's column in the UK magazine Hi-Fi News. Like Graham, I am concerned about maintaining the ability to buy high resolution audio from which I can take copies (possibly, but not necessarily) at lower resolution for my own use. Unlike Graham, I do not believe that control is entirely in the hands of the record industry. DVD is a computer format (more so than CD), so it can always be 'hacked'. The record companies are fighting a losing battle against 'piracy', but fail to acknowledge that the main threat to the music business is their own, short-sighted, short-term pricing and release philosophy. The record companies used the widespread availability of cassette to plead piracy, and they were rewarded by being allowed to charge a levy on blank media. At the same time, they brought out the 'perfect sound forever' CD medium and put the price way up! How many of you spent a fortune replacing your vinyl with 'superior' re-releases on CD at a premium price? Having milked us (you, I didn't buy into CD until 1999!), the record companies now prefer a small number of highly priced, 'safe' releases, and wonder why their mass market is turning to other forms of entertainment. From time-to-time, they will blame genuine music lovers such as Markku if their balance sheet looks really bad, and they cannot re-sell their back catalogue again. I note a recent trend towards price reduction on both CD and vinyl, with many, many titles now available for less than ?10 in the UK. I sincerely hope that this is an attempt to stimulate the market at last - who is prepared to risk ?15 to ?18 on a CD by a band that they have never heard before? The other aspect that the record companies must come to terms with is that copying is a fact of life - and that it will get easier with programmable access to the distribution medium. Can the record companies respond by releasing music that is so cheap that piracy is no longer cost effective? Failing that, are there ways in which music content can be protected without reducing sound quality? Interestingly, country is one of the few musical genres where creativity and originality are still on show. I really mean alt.country - Lucinda Williams, Jayhawks, Lambchop, Shelby Lynne and all the others. What has been happening in and around Nashville to stimulate good, original, new musicians and music that has not happened elsewhere? Do you get a free CD with every box of shotgun shells or something? Or do I just have a middle-aged (WASP?) perspective of recent musical developments? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: winnie pooh [SMTP:winniepoohlove at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, 24 March, 2002 09:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved Nakamichi's? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From quoscdr at iname.com Sun Mar 24 16:24:01 2002 From: quoscdr at iname.com (Quos) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:24:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: winnie pooh: >I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs >on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, >should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing >any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of >the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. > >Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a >CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is >for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and >cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved >Nakamichi's? Hello, I think I have missed some messages, so I'm not quite sure what John was referring to (that email has not arrived to me). In any case, as winnie pooh said, the recordings on my tradepage are mainly live recordings (made by someone from the audience, recordings of radio & TV broadcasts etc). To my knowledge, there are no commercially available items listed, and I don't trade such. Trading live music is just my hobby. For most of the artists I trade, I have bought all their commercially available records. Also, many artists (but admittedly not all), are OK with trading live recordings, given that no profit making takes place. BTW, thanks for the help with the 581 manual, greatly appreciated! /Markku -- My bootleg tradelist: http://homepage.mac.com/quoscdr/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Mar 24 20:42:12 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:42:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME References: <002501c1d31d$4a1e5a20$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001d01c1d36b$ff28a620$6d289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Graham & John ! You're right, i was inquiring about the old S shaped SME (as installed on TX1000 picture :-). All i can say about the newer 309, to borrow your words ... yum, dribble ... slurp !! Pushing my luck even further ... any idea if plain direct drive turntable could be better than 'quartz locked' DD table ? i'm thinking about the 'hunt and peck' frequency of Quartz Lock around 3khz which some say made the sound 'brittle'. Or it doesn't matter at all, i.e. regular DD also use same 3k frequency ? cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME PT Anniversary, eh? I'd certainly trade in my PT TOO for one of those ... tho' having been rather disappointed with the PT TOO I'd want a good long listen before hand, not o mention a play with a strobe disc and light to make sure it really does play to speed! ;o) Well, the people I have spoken to were comparing the old S shapes to the Rega RB300 and RB300 Origin Live version (and then, not the silver wired one as I have.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 24 March 2002 09:19 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME When you say SME III, do you mean the old 'S' shaped 3009/3012, or the much more recent, straight 309? (I'm a snooty old elitist with an SME IV - I have never felt the urge to do an arm shoot out, but I know I prefer a PT Anniversary/SME IV to a Linn LP12/Ittok by miles - I replaced the latter with the former!) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Mar 24 22:04:45 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:04:45 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME In-Reply-To: <001d01c1d36b$ff28a620$6d289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <004301c1d377$869d28a0$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> I'm no expert but my gut feel is that it maters not whether a TT is Quartz lock or not. What matters is the overall physical construction of the TT, its power supply, the motor, quality of wiring, tone-arm and phono lead. I suspect that some Quartz TTs may have given the others a bad name simply because too little quality was put into the other parts of them so the machine could be made within a price ceiling. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 24 March 2002 07:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: WIN's SAEC vs TX1000's SME Pushing my luck even further ... any idea if plain direct drive turntable could be better than 'quartz locked' DD table ? i'm thinking about the 'hunt and peck' frequency of Quartz Lock around 3khz which some say made the sound 'brittle'. Or it doesn't matter at all, i.e. regular DD also use same 3k frequency ? cheers, SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Mar 24 23:05:55 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:05:55 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <002601c1d31d$4b3bb100$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: re taping live shows... a) when taped with a pair of high quality vintage mics the sound is often simply wonderful...straight 48khz DAT recording..no compression..equalization...mics straight to the prodat b) live performances not only are "the moment" but are often different versions of the studio recording of a given song. Live performances will often blow away any studio recording due to the "energy" of live performing...particularly with a good audience....You will not find many tapers at pop shows where everything is rehearsed and it is the same dreary crap every show remember..it's not the song being played..it is HOW it is being played carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 2:19 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... My preliminary conclusion on this debate is: "I don't feel any gestures we might consider against bootlegging will make any difference ... May as well live and let live." To explain how I reached that: I'm probably as guilty as any for copying CDs on my Naks and other cassette decks before that (although only now I have the ZX-9 are they anything like decent copies of the original!) I see no problem in copying one's own CDs for ones own use on another medium - e.g. CD to cassette. I think that is legitimate and the artist is not being deprived in such circumstances. Where I get guilty pangs (and so I should) are for the recordings made from other people's CDs, where someone else has bought the CD and I've taken a copy of it - in those instances I have deprived the artist of their proper copyright fee. It is a kind of theft. May be a seemingly minor misdemeanour, akin to stealing a ballpoint pen from the office stationary store, but it's a lot of pens over a long time by a lot of people, meaning the artists are being deprived of income. Our hearts may not bleed for the big artists, esp. not Maria Carey after she got a golden handshake from EMI of £30m for terminating her contract with them, but the bulk of recording artists are not huge stars earning telephone number salaries. As for bootlegging concerts, I think the artists would have something to say about that. (You still around fellow Nakophile Jon Spencer? I note from DatHeads there are plenty of people dealing in bootlegs of your concerts - you must have a view on it. ;o) ) The audience is not simply paying for the money in their concert ticket - after all, they'd probably get better quality sound for half the cost by buying the CD, and they could listen to THAT more than once, too. When you go to a gig you are buying the ambience, the atmosphere and the singularly uniqueness of live music that is lost as soon as it's recorded, just as a photograph can never reproduce the feeling of being there when the picture was taken. On the other hand ... If I had not been able to copy the CDs from a music library would I have bought the CDs? Probably not! (Recording companies take note!) I take care over the CDs or vinyl I buy because, at often up to £15 a go for a CD or £20-£30 for a record, it's not cheap! So, I usually listen very carefully before I buy . Thus, I only buy what I REALLY want. And the CDs from the library are recorded on cassette generally only because it was "free" and on the off-chance that I'll like them. (And then, it's only an edited extract because C90s can't record a full CD onto one side!) It's my way of finding out about artists I've never heard properly before. Sometimes, if I really do like them I'll go out and by the full CD or another CD. Thus I often find the recordings I've made of library copy CDs are rarely played anything like a frequently as the CDs or records I specially chose, or even the dubs I've made of them. None of this actually directly answers John's question: Should we associate with Bootlegs recording sites? There are two ways that this question could be approached. 1) the ethical; 2) the political. The ethical is the moral issue of bootlegging. Me, I'm not about to cast the first stone on that score because I've been a sinner for years! It would seem hypocritical of me to complain. The political is about practicalities rather than morality ... i.e. evaluating if this behaviour, regardless of it being right or wrong, will have as detrimental effect upon our interests. In THIS particular instance, frankly, I doubt it. Cynically, I feel the recording industry has already made up it's mind about copyright protection and, in anycase, my impression is that 90% of it never bothered that much about true hi fidelity anyway. You guys with very revealing, transparent, systems will know what I'm talking about - much of the modern popular recordings are a mush of layer upon layer of sound! There will still be the "minority sports" areas - classical and jazz - where quality will probably be maintained but then, probably only because bootlegging isn't a big problem in those areas (save for recording made off the radio!) Thus, I don't feel any gestures we might consider against bootlegging will make any difference whatsoever. May as well live and let live. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: 24 March 2002 09:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved Nakamichi's? _ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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References: <002601c1d31d$4b3bb100$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <029c01c1d386$24f37d20$343442cf@sank1> I think the record labels are completely wrong & stupid to be worried about copying. If anything, I think all this MP-3 crap & all are good for record sales. Which eludes to what I really blame for the state of the record industry- idiotic radio station people. Despite all the current ways of hearing new music these days, the radio is still, I believe, the #1 way that people discover music that they'd like to buy. But penny-pinching, greedy, stupid radio station owners, corporate & individual, are terrified of doing anything but "safe" formats, e.g., "classic" rock, MTV pop crap, etc., and those few stations that do play new stuff now & then are still stuck in the "top 40" style of radio, where they'll play 1 track of any given CD to death. So, none of this gives anybody a chance of discovering new artists, since they either don't ever hear them, or they only hear 1 track, which ain't enough to risk $20 buying a CD, when the other 10 tracks on it might be garbage. So, I think that the avenue that should be pursued by the labels is to try to get radio stations to give up the "safe" crap, and start actually providing a service that will benefit both the listeners & the record industry(and therefore the artists). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... > My preliminary conclusion on this debate is: "I don't feel any gestures we > might consider against bootlegging will make any difference ... May as well > live and let live." To explain how I reached that: > > I'm probably as guilty as any for copying CDs on my Naks and other cassette > decks before that (although only now I have the ZX-9 are they anything like > decent copies of the original!) I see no problem in copying one's own CDs > for ones own use on another medium - e.g. CD to cassette. I think that is > legitimate and the artist is not being deprived in such circumstances. > Where I get guilty pangs (and so I should) are for the recordings made from > other people's CDs, where someone else has bought the CD and I've taken a > copy of it - in those instances I have deprived the artist of their proper > copyright fee. It is a kind of theft. May be a seemingly minor > misdemeanour, akin to stealing a ballpoint pen from the office stationary > store, but it's a lot of pens over a long time by a lot of people, meaning > the artists are being deprived of income. Our hearts may not bleed for the > big artists, esp. not Maria Carey after she got a golden handshake from EMI > of �30m for terminating her contract with them, but the bulk of recording > artists are not huge stars earning telephone number salaries. > > As for bootlegging concerts, I think the artists would have something to say > about that. (You still around fellow Nakophile Jon Spencer? I note from > DatHeads there are plenty of people dealing in bootlegs of your concerts - > you must have a view on it. ;o) ) The audience is not simply paying for > the money in their concert ticket - after all, they'd probably get better > quality sound for half the cost by buying the CD, and they could listen to > THAT more than once, too. When you go to a gig you are buying the ambience, > the atmosphere and the singularly uniqueness of live music that is lost as > soon as it's recorded, just as a photograph can never reproduce the feeling > of being there when the picture was taken. > > On the other hand ... If I had not been able to copy the CDs from a music > library would I have bought the CDs? Probably not! > > (Recording companies take note!) I take care over the CDs or vinyl I buy > because, at often up to �15 a go for a CD or �20-�30 for a record, it's not > cheap! So, I usually listen very carefully before I buy . Thus, I only buy > what I REALLY want. And the CDs from the library are recorded on cassette > generally only because it was "free" and on the off-chance that I'll like > them. (And then, it's only an edited extract because C90s can't record a > full CD onto one side!) It's my way of finding out about artists I've never > heard properly before. Sometimes, if I really do like them I'll go out and > by the full CD or another CD. Thus I often find the recordings I've made > of library copy CDs are rarely played anything like a frequently as the CDs > or records I specially chose, or even the dubs I've made of them. > > None of this actually directly answers John's question: Should we associate > with Bootlegs recording sites? There are two ways that this question could > be approached. 1) the ethical; 2) the political. > > The ethical is the moral issue of bootlegging. Me, I'm not about to cast > the first stone on that score because I've been a sinner for years! It > would seem hypocritical of me to complain. > > The political is about practicalities rather than morality ... i.e. > evaluating if this behaviour, regardless of it being right or wrong, will > have as detrimental effect upon our interests. In THIS particular instance, > frankly, I doubt it. > > Cynically, I feel the recording industry has already made up it's mind about > copyright protection and, in anycase, my impression is that 90% of it never > bothered that much about true hi fidelity anyway. You guys with very > revealing, transparent, systems will know what I'm talking about - much of > the modern popular recordings are a mush of layer upon layer of sound! > There will still be the "minority sports" areas - classical and jazz - where > quality will probably be maintained but then, probably only because > bootlegging isn't a big problem in those areas (save for recording made off > the radio!) > > Thus, I don't feel any gestures we might consider against bootlegging will > make any difference whatsoever. May as well live and let live. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > winnie pooh > Sent: 24 March 2002 09:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website > > > > I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs > on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, > should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing > any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of > the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. > > Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a > CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is > for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and > cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved > Nakamichi's? > > _ > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Mar 25 00:05:36 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:05:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... References: <002601c1d31d$4b3bb100$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> <029c01c1d386$24f37d20$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <012801c1d388$690012b0$82021fac@brianm> Well said Stephen!!! I listen to a tuner most of the day and would love some variety! I have one station that switches from easy listening to smooth jaz every night at 8. I usually head for the bed at 9, so I get a whooping hour of music I really love, and that when I get a chance to play the tuner at that time. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... > I think the record labels are completely wrong & stupid to be worried about > copying. If anything, I think all this MP-3 crap & all are good for record > sales. Which eludes to what I really blame for the state of the record > industry- idiotic radio station people. Despite all the current ways of > hearing new music these days, the radio is still, I believe, the #1 way that > people discover music that they'd like to buy. But penny-pinching, greedy, > stupid radio station owners, corporate & individual, are terrified of doing > anything but "safe" formats, e.g., "classic" rock, MTV pop crap, etc., and > those few stations that do play new stuff now & then are still stuck in the > "top 40" style of radio, where they'll play 1 track of any given CD to > death. So, none of this gives anybody a chance of discovering new artists, > since they either don't ever hear them, or they only hear 1 track, which > ain't enough to risk $20 buying a CD, when the other 10 tracks on it might > be garbage. > So, I think that the avenue that should be pursued by the labels is to try > to get radio stations to give up the "safe" crap, and start actually > providing a service that will benefit both the listeners & the record > industry(and therefore the artists). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 25 00:15:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:15:06 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005401c1d389$bc004880$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Very true, Carl. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tiberius Gaius Sent: 24 March 2002 10:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... re taping live shows... a) when taped with a pair of high quality vintage mics the sound is often simply wonderful...straight 48khz DAT recording..no compression..equalization...mics straight to the prodat b) live performances not only are "the moment" but are often different versions of the studio recording of a given song. Live performances will often blow away any studio recording due to the "energy" of live performing...particularly with a good audience....You will not find many tapers at pop shows where everything is rehearsed and it is the same dreary crap every show remember..it's not the song being played..it is HOW it is being played carl --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 25 00:21:02 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:21:02 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <029c01c1d386$24f37d20$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <005a01c1d38a$90888c20$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Here! Here! I don't know how similar or different things are in the US compared to in the UK (what about it, John - you're an ex-Brit - you'll know?) but there is a similar attitude here, too. BBC Radio 1 allows some variety with one show - John Peel. There used to be more but they've been killed or either relegated to Radio 4 (which few people listen to!) or BBC World Service, which (again) few Brit's ever hear, not least because it's usually on Long or Short Wave rather than a nice blast of good stereo on FM. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 24 March 2002 10:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... I think the record labels are completely wrong & stupid to be worried about copying. If anything, I think all this MP-3 crap & all are good for record sales. Which eludes to what I really blame for the state of the record industry- idiotic radio station people. Despite all the current ways of hearing new music these days, the radio is still, I believe, the #1 way that people discover music that they'd like to buy. But penny-pinching, greedy, stupid radio station owners, corporate & individual, are terrified of doing anything but "safe" formats, e.g., "classic" rock, MTV pop crap, etc., and those few stations that do play new stuff now & then are still stuck in the "top 40" style of radio, where they'll play 1 track of any given CD to death. So, none of this gives anybody a chance of discovering new artists, since they either don't ever hear them, or they only hear 1 track, which ain't enough to risk $20 buying a CD, when the other 10 tracks on it might be garbage. So, I think that the avenue that should be pursued by the labels is to try to get radio stations to give up the "safe" crap, and start actually providing a service that will benefit both the listeners & the record industry(and therefore the artists). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 3:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... > My preliminary conclusion on this debate is: "I don't feel any gestures we > might consider against bootlegging will make any difference ... May as well > live and let live." To explain how I reached that: > > I'm probably as guilty as any for copying CDs on my Naks and other cassette > decks before that (although only now I have the ZX-9 are they anything like > decent copies of the original!) I see no problem in copying one's own CDs > for ones own use on another medium - e.g. CD to cassette. I think that is > legitimate and the artist is not being deprived in such circumstances. > Where I get guilty pangs (and so I should) are for the recordings made from > other people's CDs, where someone else has bought the CD and I've taken a > copy of it - in those instances I have deprived the artist of their proper > copyright fee. It is a kind of theft. May be a seemingly minor > misdemeanour, akin to stealing a ballpoint pen from the office stationary > store, but it's a lot of pens over a long time by a lot of people, meaning > the artists are being deprived of income. Our hearts may not bleed for the > big artists, esp. not Maria Carey after she got a golden handshake from EMI > of £30m for terminating her contract with them, but the bulk of recording > artists are not huge stars earning telephone number salaries. > > As for bootlegging concerts, I think the artists would have something to say > about that. (You still around fellow Nakophile Jon Spencer? I note from > DatHeads there are plenty of people dealing in bootlegs of your concerts - > you must have a view on it. ;o) ) The audience is not simply paying for > the money in their concert ticket - after all, they'd probably get better > quality sound for half the cost by buying the CD, and they could listen to > THAT more than once, too. When you go to a gig you are buying the ambience, > the atmosphere and the singularly uniqueness of live music that is lost as > soon as it's recorded, just as a photograph can never reproduce the feeling > of being there when the picture was taken. > > On the other hand ... If I had not been able to copy the CDs from a music > library would I have bought the CDs? Probably not! > > (Recording companies take note!) I take care over the CDs or vinyl I buy > because, at often up to £15 a go for a CD or £20-£30 for a record, it's not > cheap! So, I usually listen very carefully before I buy . Thus, I only buy > what I REALLY want. And the CDs from the library are recorded on cassette > generally only because it was "free" and on the off-chance that I'll like > them. (And then, it's only an edited extract because C90s can't record a > full CD onto one side!) It's my way of finding out about artists I've never > heard properly before. Sometimes, if I really do like them I'll go out and > by the full CD or another CD. Thus I often find the recordings I've made > of library copy CDs are rarely played anything like a frequently as the CDs > or records I specially chose, or even the dubs I've made of them. > > None of this actually directly answers John's question: Should we associate > with Bootlegs recording sites? There are two ways that this question could > be approached. 1) the ethical; 2) the political. > > The ethical is the moral issue of bootlegging. Me, I'm not about to cast > the first stone on that score because I've been a sinner for years! It > would seem hypocritical of me to complain. > > The political is about practicalities rather than morality ... i.e. > evaluating if this behaviour, regardless of it being right or wrong, will > have as detrimental effect upon our interests. In THIS particular instance, > frankly, I doubt it. > > Cynically, I feel the recording industry has already made up it's mind about > copyright protection and, in anycase, my impression is that 90% of it never > bothered that much about true hi fidelity anyway. You guys with very > revealing, transparent, systems will know what I'm talking about - much of > the modern popular recordings are a mush of layer upon layer of sound! > There will still be the "minority sports" areas - classical and jazz - where > quality will probably be maintained but then, probably only because > bootlegging isn't a big problem in those areas (save for recording made off > the radio!) > > Thus, I don't feel any gestures we might consider against bootlegging will > make any difference whatsoever. May as well live and let live. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > winnie pooh > Sent: 24 March 2002 09:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] naktalk - Markku's website > > > > I can understand what John is referring to, but I thought most of the CD-Rs > on the website are from live concerts, so if someone has paid to be there, > should they not be entitled to a momento of their night without infringing > any copyright laws? This momento may be in the form of a live recording of > the event from the audience as it states on Markku's website. > > Besides, on an overall picture, if you make a recording onto cassette of a > CD original then you are infringing copyright laws already, even if it is > for your own use, isn't it? In which case, shall we ban all CD-R and > cassette machines capable of making recordings? Including our beloved > Nakamichi's? > > _ > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Mon Mar 25 01:20:38 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 19:20:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <012801c1d388$690012b0$82021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3C9E2706.25286.1A2E94C@localhost> It's great how a brush with a bootlegging website can turn into a larger discussion on record company and radio station politics. I sympathize with all of viewpoints brought up so far; I sorely regret the lack of a free-thinking radio station in my area (Washington D.C. metro area) and the difficulty in finding a way to listen to new music without having to 'illegaly' download it. The nearest commercial station that continues to permit their DJ's to pick their own music is WRNR in Annapolis, MD, just out of reach of my antenna. Fortunately, they web broadcast on XACT Radio (www.xactradio.com), so the only way I can listen to them is on the computer. Ironic, isn't it? If you are not familiar with Xactradio, I suggest you look into it. Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. While my CD purchases have dropped off in the last ten years, it isn't because of mp3's but because I got tired of shelling out $15 at a time on the promise of one good song and being disappointed in the rest of the CD. In fact, most of my CD purchases are now based on mp3 previews of the album. I think it's sad that the artists and record companies can't see past their immediate bottom line. Eight track tapes (that dates me, doesn't it?) and cassettes didn't kill vinyl and CD's, videotapes didn't kill theatre ticket sales and won't kill DVD's. I don't think mp3's and DATS will kill live performances and CD's. In the meantime, I've set aside a small corner of the engineering server at work for mp3's so that we engineers can listen to a selection of our music of choice while working. Anyone can contribute to the collection. It's democratic, it's ad-free, and I'm sure that the record companies hate me for it. Although 95% of the songs I contribute came from my CD's the remaining 5% were downloaded. It's quite likely that someone at work has bought a CD based on listening to some of my mp3's. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to get on my soapbox. Regards, Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 25 01:52:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 00:52:50 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <3C9E2706.25286.1A2E94C@localhost> Message-ID: <006201c1d397$6349fc00$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sent: 25 March 2002 12:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. Yup! There's only one thing I can add to that,.... "If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Jeremy Hardy How about we substitute the word "looks" with "sounds" ??? Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon Mar 25 02:21:34 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:21:34 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ...at last, a subject we all agree upon!! = ) References: <3C9E2706.25286.1A2E94C@localhost> Message-ID: <3C9E7B9D.C307A84C@earthlink.net> I concur whole heartedly with this entire discussion. I only wish I had something salient or profound to add. I just returned from a customer's home and am brain dead after a seven hour session of swapping and substituting a myriad of interconnect, speaker and AC cables. I am happy to say that he is tinkled pink with the improvement. By the way, what MP3 site do you all recommend for discovering new quality music? Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti timbarrett at cox.rr.com wrote: > It's great how a brush with a bootlegging website can turn into a larger > discussion on record company and radio station politics. I sympathize with all > of viewpoints brought up so far; I sorely regret the lack of a free-thinking radio > station in my area (Washington D.C. metro area) and the difficulty in finding a > way to listen to new music without having to 'illegaly' download it. The > nearest commercial station that continues to permit their DJ's to pick their own > music is WRNR in Annapolis, MD, just out of reach of my antenna. > Fortunately, they web broadcast on XACT Radio (www.xactradio.com), so the > only way I can listen to them is on the computer. Ironic, isn't it? If you are not > familiar with Xactradio, I suggest you look into it. > > Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising > revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. > Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a > rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. > > While my CD purchases have dropped off in the last ten years, it isn't > because of mp3's but because I got tired of shelling out $15 at a time on the > promise of one good song and being disappointed in the rest of the CD. In > fact, most of my CD purchases are now based on mp3 previews of the album. > I think it's sad that the artists and record companies can't see past their > immediate bottom line. Eight track tapes (that dates me, doesn't it?) and > cassettes didn't kill vinyl and CD's, videotapes didn't kill theatre ticket sales > and won't kill DVD's. I don't think mp3's and DATS will kill live performances > and CD's. > > In the meantime, I've set aside a small corner of the engineering server at > work for mp3's so that we engineers can listen to a selection of our music of > choice while working. Anyone can contribute to the collection. It's > democratic, it's ad-free, and I'm sure that the record companies hate me for it. > Although 95% of the songs I contribute came from my CD's the remaining 5% > were downloaded. It's quite likely that someone at work has bought a CD > based on listening to some of my mp3's. > > Thanks for giving me the opportunity to get on my soapbox. > > Regards, > Tim > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 25 02:47:25 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:47:25 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <006201c1d397$6349fc00$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: and if anyone here is interested in learning more about downloading some of the vast live recordings (uncompressed, 44.1/48khz) go to: www.etree.org there you will find many details and links to FTP software, sites for shows, and a general primer on the whole thing. Another place is www.dead.net and select the Phil Lesh and follow the links; you can dowload entire shows onto your CDR...this is NOT MP3...many of these shows are original soundboards or made live with some very, very good equipment carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sent: 25 March 2002 12:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. Yup! There's only one thing I can add to that,.... "If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Jeremy Hardy How about we substitute the word "looks" with "sounds" ??? Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sir_stewart at hotmail.com Mon Mar 25 02:19:05 2002 From: sir_stewart at hotmail.com (mick s) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:19:05 Subject: [naktalk] 2002 Academy Awards Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephj69 at juno.com Mon Mar 25 03:23:18 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 21:23:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: who was looking for a transport ??? Message-ID: <20020324.212508.-395521.0.josephj69@juno.com> I recall that someone else here on the list was looking to upgrade his transport. If you still need one, get in touch with me asap. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Mar 25 14:14:40 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:14:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 References: <000d01c1d28e$81aef380$c0d6193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3C9F22BF.B6992EE8@rcn.com> Then you may appreciate this: - "My wife just ran away with my best friend". - "I'm so sorry to hear that. Is he a good looking fellow?" - "Don't know. I've never met him." -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > ROFLOL!!! (And wetting myself, too!!!!!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > ron > Sent: 23 March 2002 04:33 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > Don't know why, this reminds me of this guy, who > asks a friend, "How much would you pay for my > wife?" The friend says, "Nothing". The guy says, > "It's a deal!" > > -- Ron > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > That's a good idea. I could sell the twins and my wife. Any takers?? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 23 March 2002 01:50 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 > > > > No, it is NOT nice to tease me with ads like that! How much money do you > > think I could get for a 12 year old, female, caucasian child? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Mar 25 19:37:52 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:37:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Message-ID: <01C1D42C.3037D720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Carl, Thank you for the etree link - these bands are exhibiting exactly the enlightened attitude that I was hoping might exist somewhere. Am I right in thinking that a standard 28 or 56kBps modem won't be fast enough -is there a 'minimum' connection speed to make this viable? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Tiberius Gaius [SMTP:c123666 at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, 25 March, 2002 01:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... << File: ATT00001.htm >> and if anyone here is interested in learning more about downloading some of the vast live recordings (uncompressed, 44.1/48khz) go to: www.etree.org there you will find many details and links to FTP software, sites for shows, and a general primer on the whole thing. Another place is www.dead.net and select the Phil Lesh and follow the links; you can dowload entire shows onto your CDR...this is NOT MP3...many of these shows are original soundboards or made live with some very, very good equipment carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sent: 25 March 2002 12:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. Yup! There's only one thing I can add to that,.... "If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Jeremy Hardy How about we substitute the word "looks" with "sounds" ??? Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 25 20:00:19 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:00:19 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <01C1D42C.3037D720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: A modem will not work; you need a wideband (cable modem, dsl, t1..et al) to do this thing. You might find that your stereo system will get a real work out with some of these recordings. I destroyed a spendor bc1 speaker listening to a live recording of a dead show; ie, no bass filter...bass down to hell and so on. Also, try www.gdlive.com Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Carl, Thank you for the etree link - these bands are exhibiting exactly the enlightened attitude that I was hoping might exist somewhere. Am I right in thinking that a standard 28 or 56kBps modem won't be fast enough -is there a 'minimum' connection speed to make this viable? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Tiberius Gaius [SMTP:c123666 at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, 25 March, 2002 01:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... << File: ATT00001.htm >> and if anyone here is interested in learning more about downloading some of the vast live recordings (uncompressed, 44.1/48khz) go to: www.etree.org there you will find many details and links to FTP software, sites for shows, and a general primer on the whole thing. Another place is www.dead.net and select the Phil Lesh and follow the links; you can dowload entire shows onto your CDR...this is NOT MP3...many of these shows are original soundboards or made live with some very, very good equipment carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sent: 25 March 2002 12:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. Yup! There's only one thing I can add to that,.... "If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Jeremy Hardy How about we substitute the word "looks" with "sounds" ??? Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Mar 25 20:08:44 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:08:44 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... In-Reply-To: <01C1D42C.3037D720.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: John, One more thing...do a search for "jambands" and you'll find a wealth of information. Also, check out www.dead.net..the grateful dead really pioneered this thing. Their music is wonderful; go to www.gdlive.com also for more. C -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 10:38 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Carl, Thank you for the etree link - these bands are exhibiting exactly the enlightened attitude that I was hoping might exist somewhere. Am I right in thinking that a standard 28 or 56kBps modem won't be fast enough -is there a 'minimum' connection speed to make this viable? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Tiberius Gaius [SMTP:c123666 at earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, 25 March, 2002 01:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... << File: ATT00001.htm >> and if anyone here is interested in learning more about downloading some of the vast live recordings (uncompressed, 44.1/48khz) go to: www.etree.org there you will find many details and links to FTP software, sites for shows, and a general primer on the whole thing. Another place is www.dead.net and select the Phil Lesh and follow the links; you can dowload entire shows onto your CDR...this is NOT MP3...many of these shows are original soundboards or made live with some very, very good equipment carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.rr.com Sent: 25 March 2002 12:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Bootlegging ... Is it playlisting that has killed radio station innovation? Is it advertising revenue which encourages playlisting? The two seem to go hand in hand. Tune in any University radio station and there is a lack of both, along with a rich selection of music you have probably never heard before. Yup! There's only one thing I can add to that,.... "If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Jeremy Hardy How about we substitute the word "looks" with "sounds" ??? Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 25 20:48:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:48:52 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 In-Reply-To: <3C9F22BF.B6992EE8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000901c1d436$17110b40$afd1193e@a4s1s2> Brilliant! Love it!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ron Sent: 25 March 2002 01:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] nakamichi tx-1000 Then you may appreciate this: - "My wife just ran away with my best friend". - "I'm so sorry to hear that. Is he a good looking fellow?" - "Don't know. I've never met him." -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Mar 25 20:53:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:53:20 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Klipsch parts - HELP FOR A BUDDY ... In-Reply-To: <3C9F22BF.B6992EE8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001001c1d436$b6dc54e0$afd1193e@a4s1s2> Anyone help me out there? A good friend of mine needs to find a store selling Klipsch parts and particularly Klipsch K-33P 15' woofers. USA, UK, Oz, anywhere. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Tue Mar 26 03:14:38 2002 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:14:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Klipsch parts - HELP FOR A BUDDY ... In-Reply-To: <001001c1d436$b6dc54e0$afd1193e@a4s1s2> References: <3C9F22BF.B6992EE8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020325205348.00a23a60@mail.mindspring.com> http://layneaudio.hypermart.net/prod03.htm Klipsch: K-33 15" Woofer upgrade: spec match to the preferred mid 70's version of this woofer, but with a much heavier magnet system and 15Hz lower resonance to get a much deeper, richer bass response, $145 ea, this woofer also has 4x the power handling of the stock K33, so you can use moderate electronic bass EQ to further enhance the low end. They also offer reconing service. I have spoken to the owner. Seems like a nice enough fellow. He offered some useful advice and corrected some errant ideas on my part on a home sub I was considering at the time. I haven't purchased anything though. Hope this helps. Stan At 07:53 PM 3/25/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Anyone help me out there? A good friend of mine needs to find a store >selling Klipsch parts and particularly Klipsch K-33P 15' woofers. USA, UK, >Oz, anywhere. > >Graham > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 26 08:55:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 07:55:58 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Klipsch parts - HELP FOR A BUDDY ... In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020325205348.00a23a60@mail.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <001d01c1d49b$aa8be9c0$afd1193e@a4s1s2> Excellent! Thanks Stan. That's brilliant. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stanley P. Pickens Sent: 26 March 2002 02:15 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Klipsch parts - HELP FOR A BUDDY ... http://layneaudio.hypermart.net/prod03.htm Klipsch: K-33 15" Woofer upgrade: spec match to the preferred mid 70's version of this woofer, but with a much heavier magnet system and 15Hz lower resonance to get a much deeper, richer bass response, $145 ea, this woofer also has 4x the power handling of the stock K33, so you can use moderate electronic bass EQ to further enhance the low end. They also offer reconing service. I have spoken to the owner. Seems like a nice enough fellow. He offered some useful advice and corrected some errant ideas on my part on a home sub I was considering at the time. I haven't purchased anything though. Hope this helps. Stan At 07:53 PM 3/25/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Anyone help me out there? A good friend of mine needs to find a store >selling Klipsch parts and particularly Klipsch K-33P 15' woofers. USA, UK, >Oz, anywhere. > >Graham > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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This one is mint baby and I long to see making love to a beautiful woman in front of it again! >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:50:58 -0700 > >I can give you Mark's Dragon, since it is here for service.;-) > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Miller" >To: >Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 4:22 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > Give me your Dragon and we'll call it even. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Exstedt" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 6:05 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry > > > > > > > I am sorry to all the Nakers out there who I may have caused any pain. > > > A few had notified me saying I had a computer virus. > > > Since then I have subscribed using my work e-mail address. > > > Once again, Big Bear is sorry. > > > - Mark Exstedt (Owner of Dragon, ZX-7, LX-3, and BX-2) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Mar 26 19:12:15 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:12:15 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Big Bear is sorry - The Final Chapter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c1d4f1$c2081140$c05887d9@a4s1s2> Hide a webcam in it, Stephen ... we can sell seats! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: 26 March 2002 03:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Big Bear is sorry - The Final Chapter Oh no!!!! You'll break my heart. This one is mint baby and I long to see making love to a beautiful woman in front of it again! >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Big Bear is sorry >Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:50:58 -0700 > >I can give you Mark's Dragon, since it is here for service.;-) > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 27 01:03:27 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:03:27 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Note DACs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have listened quite extensively to the DAC 5...transport was a current reference levinson....kondo silver interconnects...ongaku int amp....silver speaker wire....Audio Note ANj (silver, top of the line) speakers... sounds wonderful....I don't think it sound 30 times better than the entry level dac, though... Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:00 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Note DACs Anyone had any first-hand experience with their current line ? I read very favourable reviews in the UK mags, but ....? George _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Mar 27 01:26:21 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:26:21 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Note DACs References: Message-ID: <3CA111AC.FB633957@earthlink.net> The point of diminishing return becomes more of a factor when considering components that cost more than $1500. Of course, as we become more experienced listeners, the subtle details become more important. It all depends on our ability to discern small improvements and the amount of money we feel comfortable spending. Jim Volpatti Tiberius Gaius wrote: > I have listened quite extensively to the DAC 5...transport was a current > reference levinson....kondo silver interconnects...ongaku int amp....silver > speaker wire....Audio Note ANj (silver, top of the line) speakers... > > sounds wonderful....I don't think it sound 30 times better than the entry > level dac, though... > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 2:00 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Audio Note DACs > > Anyone had any first-hand experience with their current line ? I read very > favourable reviews in the UK mags, but ....? > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Mar 27 12:29:51 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 13:29:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes Message-ID: Hi Walter: I'm sorry you lost out on that remote i/f module you were looking for from Andre Srydom yesterday. I had thought that 682ZX had already gone when I got there, and they still had this "thing" - he was looking for R700 for it which was half the price I paid for the spic and span 480Z. Insanity rules, obviously. For something related - or perhaps this is what you were after, is an equally insane price for an RM-580T/RM-580R on e-bay..................follow this link for a giggle..........(or at least it is to me, not being a quadraplegic yet!!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342302568 Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Mar 27 14:57:42 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:57:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes References: Message-ID: <3CA1CFD6.37DD1C3@rcn.com> To put things in perspective: when I bought my CR-7, the seller could not find the remote. He bought a brand new one for me, from Nakamichi. He paid $85. I am sure that as soon as Nakamichi ran out of them, their value skyrocketed. There are other IR receiver/transmitter combinations on the market, for a fraction of the ebay asking price. Of course, they requires a fair amount of DIY elbow grease and do not come with the satisfaction of knowing there is a Nakamichi logo on the front. -- Ron Mark Hugo wrote: > Hi Walter: > > I'm sorry you lost out on that remote i/f module you were looking for from Andre Srydom yesterday. I had thought that 682ZX had already gone when I got there, and they still had this "thing" - he was looking for R700 for it which was half the price I paid for the spic and span 480Z. Insanity rules, obviously. For something related - or perhaps this is what you were after, is an equally insane price for an RM-580T/RM-580R on e-bay..................follow this link for a giggle..........(or at least it is to me, not being a quadraplegic yet!!) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342302568 > > Cheers, > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Mar 28 01:24:35 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:24:35 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes Message-ID: Whilst on the subject of remotes, has anyone managed to successfully DIY or modified any of these non-Nakamichi IR receiver/transmitter combinations for use with a RX-505 or BX-300? I don't mean the original Nakamichi wired remotes, but infrared ones which are not produced by Nakamichi (as far as I know). >From: ron >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:57:42 -0500 > >To put things in perspective: when I bought my CR-7, the seller >could not find the remote. He bought a brand new one for me, >from Nakamichi. He paid $85. I am sure that as soon as >Nakamichi ran out of them, their value skyrocketed. > >There are other IR receiver/transmitter combinations on the >market, for a fraction of the ebay asking price. Of course, they >requires a fair amount of DIY elbow grease and do not come >with the satisfaction of knowing there is a Nakamichi logo on >the front. > >-- Ron > > >Mark Hugo wrote: > > > Hi Walter: > > > > I'm sorry you lost out on that remote i/f module you were looking for >from Andre Srydom yesterday. I had thought that 682ZX had already gone >when I got there, and they still had this "thing" - he was looking for R700 >for it which was half the price I paid for the spic and span 480Z. >Insanity rules, obviously. For something related - or perhaps this is what >you were after, is an equally insane price for an RM-580T/RM-580R on >e-bay..................follow this link for a giggle..........(or at least >it is to me, not being a quadraplegic yet!!) > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342302568 > > > > Cheers, > > > > Marc > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Mar 28 01:30:58 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 11:30:58 +1100 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A26@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> This seller on Ebay must be on something - what a rip off! Don't think anyone will be bidding for this item. I paid US $28.50 for my RM-580T/R on Ebay about a year ago. I remember seeing in an electronics magazine many years ago, DIY remote IR kits. Maybe these kits (if they are still available) can work on Naks. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: Wednesday, 27 March 2002 10:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes Hi Walter: I'm sorry you lost out on that remote i/f module you were looking for from Andre Srydom yesterday. I had thought that 682ZX had already gone when I got there, and they still had this "thing" - he was looking for R700 for it which was half the price I paid for the spic and span 480Z. Insanity rules, obviously. For something related - or perhaps this is what you were after, is an equally insane price for an RM-580T/RM-580R on e-bay..................follow this link for a giggle..........(or at least it is to me, not being a quadraplegic yet!!) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342302568 Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Mar 28 02:02:06 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 17:02:06 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A26@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000201c1d5f4$2e77e370$3db5b742@pii366custom> You're probably right. His price is high. But remember it is supply and demand. I had mine for sale last week and got $307.00 for it. Market sets the price. Wanna sell me yours for double what you paid? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Thu Mar 28 03:55:10 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 18:55:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Requires Gear Update. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A26@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003401c1d603$fa2a32c0$0701000a@attbi.com> I thought BX series, CR5a/CR7a were the only decks requiring "gear updates"? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342063100 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Mar 28 05:13:46 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:13:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Requires Gear Update. References: <003401c1d603$fa2a32c0$0701000a@attbi.com> Message-ID: <06d501c1d60e$f592a840$343442cf@sank1> The CR-1/2/3/4 have never been made without the gear drive, but the reel motors do sometimes develop dead spots, causing similar symptoms to the idler failure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-2A Requires Gear Update. > > I thought BX series, CR5a/CR7a were the only decks requiring "gear updates"? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342063100 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Mar 28 16:04:40 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 10:04:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes References: Message-ID: <3CA33108.6DBDD02A@rcn.com> After market remotes will work with any Nak that has a wired remote jack on the back and requires closures to ground for all functions (as do the CR-7 and 582. I am not sure about other models). To get a feel for prices: a couple of years ago I ordered an IR remote transmitter/receiver kit (8 functions) from a hobbyist. It cost $50. Assembly was a snap and it worked as expected. Velleman makes a 15 function kit ($70 for transmitter, $50 for receiver). They also make various 1 and 2 function kits. You can find them and their dealers on the internet -- Ron winnie pooh wrote: > Whilst on the subject of remotes, has anyone managed to successfully DIY or > modified any of these non-Nakamichi IR receiver/transmitter combinations for > use with a RX-505 or BX-300? I don't mean the original Nakamichi wired > remotes, but infrared ones which are not produced by Nakamichi (as far as I > know). > > >From: ron > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes > >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 08:57:42 -0500 > > > >To put things in perspective: when I bought my CR-7, the seller > >could not find the remote. He bought a brand new one for me, > >from Nakamichi. He paid $85. I am sure that as soon as > >Nakamichi ran out of them, their value skyrocketed. > > > >There are other IR receiver/transmitter combinations on the > >market, for a fraction of the ebay asking price. Of course, they > >requires a fair amount of DIY elbow grease and do not come > >with the satisfaction of knowing there is a Nakamichi logo on > >the front. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > >Mark Hugo wrote: > > > > > Hi Walter: > > > > > > I'm sorry you lost out on that remote i/f module you were looking for > >from Andre Srydom yesterday. I had thought that 682ZX had already gone > >when I got there, and they still had this "thing" - he was looking for R700 > >for it which was half the price I paid for the spic and span 480Z. > >Insanity rules, obviously. For something related - or perhaps this is what > >you were after, is an equally insane price for an RM-580T/RM-580R on > >e-bay..................follow this link for a giggle..........(or at least > >it is to me, not being a quadraplegic yet!!) > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1342302568 > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 28 20:08:39 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:08:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Message-ID: <02b601c1d68b$f8dce970$70021fac@brianm> The range of knowledge/experience on this list can be amazing, that said, I have the following question that I am hoping some of you may have some experience and/or wisdom for me. I need a new TV for the bedroom, I do not need bells and whistles, picture would be first of importance. I have been looking at 25"-27" TV's, but I am not fixed at 25"-27", I could consider smaller. (Actually, my wife would prefer a smaller TV, but you know us guys, we want to go for the bigger version!) I went to Circuit City last night planning to purchase a Panasonic, I have heard good things on their longevity. I was specifically going there for the CT-27G6, $289. I left with a JVC AV-27D302, $349. The JVC showed much more detail IMO and all the Panasonics I looked at seemed dark, the JVC simply seemed to have the better picture, except it was a bit grainy. I thought, maybe foolishly, it was just a store issue. The one I brought home seems to be a bit grainy as well. There seems to be a flaw in the picture, so I am planning on returning it, but I am not ruling out exchanging it for the same TV. Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 28 22:55:12 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:55:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <02b601c1d68b$f8dce970$70021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <20020328215512.98758.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Brian, A number of years ago I went to the local Ken Crane's and was just looking around for a 27" TV for my girlfriend at the time. I asked the sales person what's the best 27" TV for the money. He didn't hesitate a bit. Panasonic SF series. He pointed to a set on the self and the picture looked pretty good. The picture was far better than a Sony XBR2 right next to it. I got the remote for the Sony and tried to adjust it to make it look better than the Panasonic, but, couldn't. My girlfriend got two of them. One for herself and a year later another one for her mother. And I got one (slightly used) a little bit later on. All three still work great and the pictures are as good now as when they were new (more than 5 years ago). It's a lot better than the Toshiba my friend had that had would develope green sploches near the center. His brother had the same problem with his Toshiba and had the picture tube replaced twice. I also have a piece of crap, made in San Diego, 32" Sony that I totally regret buying. I use it very infrequently and yet it's gone bad three times. Once the picture got really really dim. That turned out to a bad resistor on the CRT board. The next time the audio became very static-y. That was a bad MTS audio decoder board (all the surface mount electrolytics caps leaked). Now the IR remote receiver has become intermittent. It's not the remote, because, it works great on another TV. I haven't gotten around to fixing that problem yet, maybe someday if the Panasonic ever dies. By then I'm sure it will develope a few more problems (most likely from all the surface mount electrolytic caps leaking.) Whatever you do don't buy the cheap Panasonic TV (used to be the G series). Their picture quality sucks big time. You have to get the highier end model (S, SF or super flat series). SJ --- Brian Miller wrote: > The range of knowledge/experience on this list can > be amazing, that said, I have the following question > that I am hoping some of you may have some > experience and/or wisdom for me. > > I need a new TV for the bedroom, I do not need bells > and whistles, picture would be first of importance. > > I have been looking at 25"-27" TV's, but I am not > fixed at 25"-27", I could consider smaller. > (Actually, my wife would prefer a smaller TV, but > you know us guys, we want to go for the bigger > version!) > > I went to Circuit City last night planning to > purchase a Panasonic, I have heard good things on > their longevity. I was specifically going there for > the CT-27G6, $289. I left with a JVC AV-27D302, > $349. The JVC showed much more detail IMO and all > the Panasonics I looked at seemed dark, the JVC > simply seemed to have the better picture, except it > was a bit grainy. I thought, maybe foolishly, it was > just a store issue. > > The one I brought home seems to be a bit grainy as > well. There seems to be a flaw in the picture, so I > am planning on returning it, but I am not ruling out > exchanging it for the same TV. > > Thanks, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards� http://movies.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Mar 28 23:28:03 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 17:28:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 References: <20020328215512.98758.qmail@web13102.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02ed01c1d6a7$d385fa60$70021fac@brianm> SJ, Thanks for the reply! I have to agree with your statements on the Panasonic G series, it's picture was lousy. As I said, I have heard good things about the Panasonic, including from a respected salesman I know, but the G series I was looking into definately was not up to the JVC I brought home. (I should note that the JVC was $50-60 more.) I also compared it to a Panasonic D series, I couldn't see any difference in the picture of the G and D series. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > Brian, > A number of years ago I went to the local Ken Crane's > and was just looking around for a 27" TV for my > girlfriend at the time. I asked the sales person > what's the best 27" TV for the money. He didn't > hesitate a bit. Panasonic SF series. He pointed to a > set on the self and the picture looked pretty good. > The picture was far better than a Sony XBR2 right next > to it. I got the remote for the Sony and tried to > adjust it to make it look better than the Panasonic, > but, couldn't. > > My girlfriend got two of them. One for herself and a > year later another one for her mother. And I got one > (slightly used) a little bit later on. All three > still work great and the pictures are as good now as > when they were new (more than 5 years ago). It's a > lot better than the Toshiba my friend had that had > would develope green sploches near the center. His > brother had the same problem with his Toshiba and had > the picture tube replaced twice. > > I also have a piece of crap, made in San Diego, 32" > Sony that I totally regret buying. I use it very > infrequently and yet it's gone bad three times. Once > the picture got really really dim. That turned out to > a bad resistor on the CRT board. The next time the > audio became very static-y. That was a bad MTS audio > decoder board (all the surface mount electrolytics > caps leaked). Now the IR remote receiver has become > intermittent. It's not the remote, because, it works > great on another TV. I haven't gotten around to > fixing that problem yet, maybe someday if the > Panasonic ever dies. By then I'm sure it will > develope a few more problems (most likely from all the > surface mount electrolytic caps leaking.) > > Whatever you do don't buy the cheap Panasonic TV (used > to be the G series). Their picture quality sucks big > time. You have to get the highier end model (S, SF or > super flat series). > > SJ > > > > --- Brian Miller wrote: > > The range of knowledge/experience on this list can > > be amazing, that said, I have the following question > > that I am hoping some of you may have some > > experience and/or wisdom for me. > > > > I need a new TV for the bedroom, I do not need bells > > and whistles, picture would be first of importance. > > > > I have been looking at 25"-27" TV's, but I am not > > fixed at 25"-27", I could consider smaller. > > (Actually, my wife would prefer a smaller TV, but > > you know us guys, we want to go for the bigger > > version!) > > > > I went to Circuit City last night planning to > > purchase a Panasonic, I have heard good things on > > their longevity. I was specifically going there for > > the CT-27G6, $289. I left with a JVC AV-27D302, > > $349. The JVC showed much more detail IMO and all > > the Panasonics I looked at seemed dark, the JVC > > simply seemed to have the better picture, except it > > was a bit grainy. I thought, maybe foolishly, it was > > just a store issue. > > > > The one I brought home seems to be a bit grainy as > > well. There seems to be a flaw in the picture, so I > > am planning on returning it, but I am not ruling out > > exchanging it for the same TV. > > > > Thanks, > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® > http://movies.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 29 00:07:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:07:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Easter, guys .... In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A26@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002e01c1d6ad$5cee6c60$0db2193e@a4s1s2> May it be a peaceful one ... for all of us, at least! Gra' - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 00:10:38 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:10:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Happy Easter, guys .... References: <002e01c1d6ad$5cee6c60$0db2193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CA3A2EE.659F6E9C@yahoo.com> Thankyou and you > > The following short IQ Testconsists of 4 questions and tells whether you are > > qualified to be a "professional". Scroll down for the answers. The > > questions are not that difficult....and, this is serious stuff!! > > > > 1. How do you put a giraffe into a refrigerator? > > The correct answer is: Open the refrigerator, put in the giraffe and > > close the door. This question tests whether you tend to do simple things > > in an overly complicated way. You shouldn't be concerned whether the > > refigerator will hold the giraffe! > > >> > > > >> > > > 2 How do you put an elephant into a refrigerator ? > > Wrong Answer : Open the refrigerator, put in the elephant and close the > > door. > > Correct Answer: Open the refrigerator, take out the giraffe, put in the > > elephant and close the door. This tests your ability to think through the > > repercussions of your actions. > > >> > > > >> > > > 3. The Lion King is hosting an animal conference, all the animals attend > > except one. Which animal does not attend? > > Correct Answer : The Elephant. The Elephant is in the refrigerator. This > > tests your memory. > > > > > > OK, even if you did not answer the first three questions, correctly, you > > still have one more chance to show your abilities. > > >> > > > >> > > > 4. There is a river you must cross. But it is inhabited by crocodiles. How > > do you manage it? > > Correct Answer: You swim across. All the crocodiles are attending the > > Animal Conference. This tests whether you learn quickly from your > > mistakes. Graham Nelson wrote: > > May it be a peaceful one ... for all of us, at least! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Fri Mar 29 03:32:43 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:32:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Message-ID: <20020328.213437.-814679.5.josephj69@juno.com> Very strange. I will soon have to buy a TV of the same size (27") and at the same price point ($300), and I was thinking asking about it here myself! However, my requirements are different. Picture quality is not a top priority for me. I am not much of a videophile - I'm happy watching VHS in EP speed, for example. So anything with decent picture quality will make me happy. I'm more intersted in reliability. Something that won't break two weeks after the warranty expires. I know most people don't take them seriously, but Consumer Reports seems to consistently put Sanyo at the top of its reliabilty ratings for televisions. Wal-Mart has a 27" Sanyo which appears to be their top of the line model for $279. I forget the exact number, but it's their best 27" non-FS set. It has PIP, but no component video inputs, if I remember correctly. Does anyone have any experience with Sanyo sets? I admit it's the last brand I would take seriously, but I can't help but think that there has to be SOMETHING to them always landing at the top of CR's reliability ratings? - Joe On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:08:39 -0500 "Brian Miller" writes: The range of knowledge/experience on this list can be amazing, that said, I have the following question that I am hoping some of you may have some experience and/or wisdom for me. I need a new TV for the bedroom, I do not need bells and whistles, picture would be first of importance. I have been looking at 25"-27" TV's, but I am not fixed at 25"-27", I could consider smaller. (Actually, my wife would prefer a smaller TV, but you know us guys, we want to go for the bigger version!) I went to Circuit City last night planning to purchase a Panasonic, I have heard good things on their longevity. I was specifically going there for the CT-27G6, $289. I left with a JVC AV-27D302, $349. The JVC showed much more detail IMO and all the Panasonics I looked at seemed dark, the JVC simply seemed to have the better picture, except it was a bit grainy. I thought, maybe foolishly, it was just a store issue. The one I brought home seems to be a bit grainy as well. There seems to be a flaw in the picture, so I am planning on returning it, but I am not ruling out exchanging it for the same TV. Thanks, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 29 06:19:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 05:19:57 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <20020328.213437.-814679.5.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <003d01c1d6e1$5dbc6d20$0db2193e@a4s1s2> What are Mitsubishi like these days? They used to have a good reputation for reliability over in the UK. I knew very well a TV rental guy who switched to them from Fergusons and he laid off two of his four engineers because they had nothing to do! He was delighted .... not so the engineers, of course. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 29 March 2002 02:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Very strange. I will soon have to buy a TV of the same size (27") and at the same price point ($300), and I was thinking asking about it here myself! However, my requirements are different. Picture quality is not a top priority for me. I am not much of a videophile - I'm happy watching VHS in EP speed, for example. So anything with decent picture quality will make me happy. I'm more intersted in reliability. Something that won't break two weeks after the warranty expires. I know most people don't take them seriously, but Consumer Reports seems to consistently put Sanyo at the top of its reliabilty ratings for televisions. Wal-Mart has a 27" Sanyo which appears to be their top of the line model for $279. I forget the exact number, but it's their best 27" non-FS set. It has PIP, but no component video inputs, if I remember correctly. Does anyone have any experience with Sanyo sets? I admit it's the last brand I would take seriously, but I can't help but think that there has to be SOMETHING to them always landing at the top of CR's reliability ratings? - Joe --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 08:47:22 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:47:22 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Message-ID: If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without problems. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of winnie pooh Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without problems. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The other 3 Sony sets I acquired as "broken", and all required the "usual" resoldering of things in the tuner front end & IF modules, a common problem in most Sony tv's. I have had occassion to work on a recent model Sanyo tv, and I must say that they are incredible pieces of crap, and alarmingly close to dangerous, due to "hot chassis" grounding, where the main ground is at a greatly different voltage potential to the antenna & video/audio input grounds, with only a couple of tiny little 10 cent isolation transformers between you & some serious fireworks. I don't think Sanyo is the only tv maker doing such designs, and I REALLY think such sets should be outlawed. Don't know if Panasonic, JVC or Toshiba have done this sort of crap, but I'd urge that it be checked out before buying one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "winnie pooh" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without > problems. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Gra\' > > - > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I posted this same question else where and a person graciously typed in some Concumer Reports ratings, who I usually don't have the most regard for, at least on some items. I am not sure if the following list is for picture quality or overall rating, I have sent a question asking him. (I have heard good things about Panasonics, but I would exclude the G and D series) His reply: 5 Stars (Excellent), 4 Stars (VeryGood), 3 Stars (Good), 2 Stars (Fair), 1 Star (Poor). YW=1 year labor warranty. 1. Sony 27SF13....5 Stars....$600 2. Sony 27FV17....5 Stars...$800 3. Toshiba 27AF61...5 Stars...$650 (YW) 4. Sony 27FS17....5 Stars....$700 5. Sony 27S66.....5 Stars....$450 5. Sharp 27R-FS1....4 Stars...$500 (YW) 6. RCAF27689...4 Stars.....$430 7. JVC 27F802....4 Stars....$750 (YW) 8. Samsung TXK2768....4 Stars...$350 9. Panasonic 27SX31...4 Stars...$700 10. Philips 27PT71B....4 Stars....$450 11. Samsung TXL2767....4 Stars...$300 12. JVC 27D502.....4 Stars...$400 (YW) 13. JVC 27D302...4 Stars...$350 (YW) 14. Toshiba 27A51/A41....4 Stars...$350 (YW) 15. Sharp 27R-S480...4 Stars...$350 (YW) 16. Sanyo DS27800.....3 Stars....$290 17. Zenith 27A24T....3 Stars...$300 18. Panasonic 27D11/D21...3 Stars...$300 As you can see from above report, Panasonic came in dead last and Sony 27S66 (basically S44 model without 2 PIP tuner and less inputs) was the only non-flat TV that receievd "Excellent" picture rating. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 29 14:59:14 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:59:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 References: <20020328.213437.-814679.5.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3CA47332.33E2E4BF@rcn.com> The reason Sanyo TVs are at the top of the list is that they are *statistically* reliable. A good way to judge a product reliability is to see how long the manufacturer warranty is -- after all, who knows the product better? A 90 day warranty is worthless. Go for at least a year. Just as important is how a company deals with a customer after something does go wrong with a product. For example, Toshiba reliability is average, but the unfortunate customer that has been lured to buy one of their products (TV, in my case) learns to hate them with passion... Their service people are dishonest (no, 'sleazy' is the word) and the customer is left to deal with the problem on his own (and at his own expense). IOW, regardless of length, their warranty is worth nothing. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Very strange. I will soon have to buy a TV of the same size > (27") and at the same price point ($300), and I was thinking > asking about it here myself! However, my requirements are > different. Picture quality is not a top priority for me. I am > not much of a videophile - I'm happy watching VHS in EP speed, for > example. So anything with decent picture quality will make me > happy. I'm more intersted in reliability. Something that won't > break two weeks after the warranty expires. I know most people > don't take them seriously, but Consumer Reports seems to > consistently put Sanyo at the top of its reliabilty ratings for > televisions. Wal-Mart has a 27" Sanyo which appears to be their > top of the line model for $279. I forget the exact number, but > it's their best 27" non-FS set. It has PIP, but no component > video inputs, if I remember correctly. Does anyone have any > experience with Sanyo sets? I admit it's the last brand I would > take seriously, but I can't help but think that there has to be > SOMETHING to them always landing at the top of CR's reliability > ratings? > - Joe On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:08:39 -0500 "Brian Miller" > writes: > > The range of knowledge/experience on this list can be > amazing, that said, I have the following question that I > am hoping some of you may have some experience and/or > wisdom for me. I need a new TV for the bedroom, I do not > need bells and whistles, picture would be first of > importance. > > I have been looking at 25"-27" TV's, but I am not fixed > at 25"-27", I could consider smaller. (Actually, my wife > would prefer a smaller TV, but you know us guys, we want > to go for the bigger version!) > > I went to Circuit City last night planning to purchase a > Panasonic, I have heard good things on their longevity. > I was specifically going there for the CT-27G6, $289. I > left with a JVC AV-27D302, $349. The JVC showed much > more detail IMO and all the Panasonics I looked at > seemed dark, the JVC simply seemed to have the better > picture, except it was a bit grainy. I thought, maybe > foolishly, it was just a store issue. > > The one I brought home seems to be a bit grainy as well. > There seems to be a flaw in the picture, so I am > planning on returning it, but I am not ruling out > exchanging it for the same TV. > > Thanks, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 29 15:01:56 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:01:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 References: Message-ID: <3CA473D4.4C40238D@rcn.com> For the past few years, Sony has been one of the lowest reliability manufacturers around. Their Service is one of the worst. Avoid them like the plague. -- Ron Tiberius Gaius wrote: > I have a 20" Sony Trinitron I bought in 1991...still going strong. The 13" > Trinitron I acquired in Tokyo in 1970 was retired in the late 1980's... > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > winnie pooh > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without > problems. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Mar 29 15:17:34 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:17:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 References: <094e01c1d705$86a73d40$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CA4777E.367A57EC@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > Personally, I won't own anything but a Sony on a direct-view tv. But I'd > stay away from the Wega series, which have serious design flaws. Sony used to be a 'good' company, as was Toshiba. This has changed DRASTICALLY in the past few years. > I have a > Sony 27", a 20" & two 13" sets. The 27" was bought in about 1987 & has not > yet given me cause to open the case, despite my daughter & niece rapidly > turning it on & off dozens of times per hour on a daily basis from when they > could stand up to when they were old enough to understand & obey the word > "No!" That's about a year of horrific abuse. Can't believe the flyback > transformer didn't explode. The other 3 Sony sets I acquired as "broken", > and all required the "usual" resoldering of things in the tuner front end & > IF modules, a common problem in most Sony tv's. > I have had occassion to work on a recent model Sanyo tv, and I must say that > they are incredible pieces of crap, and alarmingly close to dangerous, due > to "hot chassis" grounding, where the main ground is at a greatly different > voltage potential to the antenna & video/audio input grounds, with only a > couple of tiny little 10 cent isolation transformers between you & some > serious fireworks. But he fact is that these isolation transformers do not fail in hundreds of thousands of sets, for years and years. In addition, I believe these sets are UL approved, no? Besides, how is this any different than supposedly safer designs, where the only thing that protects you from serious fireworks is a power transformer? > I don't think Sanyo is the only tv maker doing such > designs, and I REALLY think such sets should be outlawed. Don't know if > Panasonic, JVC or Toshiba have done this sort of crap, but I'd urge that it > be checked out before buying one. Most sets I see have both hot ground and isolated ground. When executed well, this is as safe (or as unsafe) as any other well executed design. BTW, I just had occasion to add speaker outputs to a 27" Toshiba set. It's 8 years old -- just as they were transforming from top notch products to garbage. Yes, a good portion of the ground is hot as a stove. Yes, I/O is isolated by transformers -- I am not sure they cost 10 cents, though. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "winnie pooh" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:47 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > > > > If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without > > problems. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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With people expecting half their stuff to get toasted when they get anything lightning damaged, who's going to investigate whether or not the tv made the damage ten times worse? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > Personally, I won't own anything but a Sony on a direct-view tv. But I'd > > stay away from the Wega series, which have serious design flaws. > > Sony used to be a 'good' company, as was Toshiba. This has changed DRASTICALLY in the > past few years. > > > I have a > > Sony 27", a 20" & two 13" sets. The 27" was bought in about 1987 & has not > > yet given me cause to open the case, despite my daughter & niece rapidly > > turning it on & off dozens of times per hour on a daily basis from when they > > could stand up to when they were old enough to understand & obey the word > > "No!" That's about a year of horrific abuse. Can't believe the flyback > > transformer didn't explode. The other 3 Sony sets I acquired as "broken", > > and all required the "usual" resoldering of things in the tuner front end & > > IF modules, a common problem in most Sony tv's. > > I have had occassion to work on a recent model Sanyo tv, and I must say that > > they are incredible pieces of crap, and alarmingly close to dangerous, due > > to "hot chassis" grounding, where the main ground is at a greatly different > > voltage potential to the antenna & video/audio input grounds, with only a > > couple of tiny little 10 cent isolation transformers between you & some > > serious fireworks. > > But he fact is that these isolation transformers do not fail in hundreds of > thousands of sets, for years and years. In addition, I believe these sets are > UL approved, no? > > Besides, how is this any different than supposedly safer designs, > where the only thing that protects you from serious fireworks is a > power transformer? > > > I don't think Sanyo is the only tv maker doing such > > designs, and I REALLY think such sets should be outlawed. Don't know if > > Panasonic, JVC or Toshiba have done this sort of crap, but I'd urge that it > > be checked out before buying one. > > Most sets I see have both hot ground and isolated ground. > When executed well, this is as safe (or as unsafe) as any other > well executed design. > > BTW, I just had occasion to add speaker outputs to a 27" Toshiba > set. It's 8 years old -- just as they were transforming from top notch > products to garbage. Yes, a good portion of the ground is hot as a > stove. Yes, I/O is isolated by transformers -- I am not sure they > cost 10 cents, though. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "winnie pooh" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 12:47 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > > > > > > > If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without > > > problems. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Mar 29 19:20:43 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:20:43 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Message-ID: <01C1D74E.A1DCAF20.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron I think you need to be consider two or three things: 1. Statistical reliability, in and of itself is a good thing. A higher MTBF (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to better integration, testing, continuous improvement. 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a single nation or region. (Do you think that some of the companies you name go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply elsewhere in the world. 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke into a highly respected brand. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: ron [SMTP:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Friday, 29 March, 2002 14:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 For the past few years, Sony has been one of the lowest reliability manufacturers around. Their Service is one of the worst. Avoid them like the plague. -- Ron Tiberius Gaius wrote: > I have a 20" Sony Trinitron I bought in 1991...still going strong. The 13" > Trinitron I acquired in Tokyo in 1970 was retired in the late 1980's... > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > winnie pooh > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without > problems. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm not the Nakophile about to make a purchase but I think I will have to in the not to distant future as the Govnt. are seeking to force us good citizens (note "force" - we live in an elected dictatorship, guys!) to move to digital radio and TV whether we want it or not! Closer to when the time comes I'll probably want to go for a digital TV rather than a top box converter. (The first efforts to get everyone over to digital, apart from the Sky TV digital satellite style but using digital terrestrial signals, was a lovely little TV ad that sold it on the benefits that we didn't have to put up a dish, that the signal would be received through the existing TV UHF aerial .... a few thousand smucks fell for that, bought the set top boxes for about £200, often as part of a special package that gave them extra channels, only to find that the signal was so weak in their area that they had to buy and install a better aerial to get a decent picture, not a cost they'd reckoned on! And of course, those better aerials catch the wind more that the cheaper ones ... And now one of the two main broadcasters on terrestrial digital has had to call in the Official Receiver 'cos the company's become insolvent ... Ooops!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 29 March 2002 01:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Graham, I purchased a high-end Mitsu in 2/1992 and it is our main TV yet today, a very nice TV. I was talking with a salesman/friend a couple years ago at our local stereo shop and he said that he would no longer recommend a 27" Mitsu as 27" was no longer where their focus was, it was on larger TV's; he felt they still made great TV's at that level, at least at that time. At this same shop, talking with the same salesman through the years, the Sony's have always been spoken of at the top. I posted this same question else where and a person graciously typed in some Concumer Reports ratings, who I usually don't have the most regard for, at least on some items. I am not sure if the following list is for picture quality or overall rating, I have sent a question asking him. (I have heard good things about Panasonics, but I would exclude the G and D series) His reply: 5 Stars (Excellent), 4 Stars (VeryGood), 3 Stars (Good), 2 Stars (Fair), 1 Star (Poor). YW=1 year labor warranty. 1. Sony 27SF13....5 Stars....$600 2. Sony 27FV17....5 Stars...$800 3. Toshiba 27AF61...5 Stars...$650 (YW) 4. Sony 27FS17....5 Stars....$700 5. Sony 27S66.....5 Stars....$450 5. Sharp 27R-FS1....4 Stars...$500 (YW) 6. RCAF27689...4 Stars.....$430 7. JVC 27F802....4 Stars....$750 (YW) 8. Samsung TXK2768....4 Stars...$350 9. Panasonic 27SX31...4 Stars...$700 10. Philips 27PT71B....4 Stars....$450 11. Samsung TXL2767....4 Stars...$300 12. JVC 27D502.....4 Stars...$400 (YW) 13. JVC 27D302...4 Stars...$350 (YW) 14. Toshiba 27A51/A41....4 Stars...$350 (YW) 15. Sharp 27R-S480...4 Stars...$350 (YW) 16. Sanyo DS27800.....3 Stars....$290 17. Zenith 27A24T....3 Stars...$300 18. Panasonic 27D11/D21...3 Stars...$300 As you can see from above report, Panasonic came in dead last and Sony 27S66 (basically S44 model without 2 PIP tuner and less inputs) was the only non-flat TV that receievd "Excellent" picture rating. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 29 19:24:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:24:59 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <3CA47332.33E2E4BF@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c1d74f$08c1ee80$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> Ron It surprises me that, in the US, you don't have at least a full year warranty written into consumer protection Law, as we do in the UK. It used to be the case that consumer protection laws in the US were generally tighter than in the UK - e.g. motor vehicle safety laws meant our US export cars were built to a higher standard compared to those sold on the home market. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ron Sent: 29 March 2002 01:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 The reason Sanyo TVs are at the top of the list is that they are *statistically* reliable. A good way to judge a product reliability is to see how long the manufacturer warranty is -- after all, who knows the product better? A 90 day warranty is worthless. Go for at least a year. Just as important is how a company deals with a customer after something does go wrong with a product. For example, Toshiba reliability is average, but the unfortunate customer that has been lured to buy one of their products (TV, in my case) learns to hate them with passion... Their service people are dishonest (no, 'sleazy' is the word) and the customer is left to deal with the problem on his own (and at his own expense). IOW, regardless of length, their warranty is worth nothing. -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 29 19:25:01 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:25:01 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <3CA473D4.4C40238D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001b01c1d74f$0a087840$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> I suspect this probably has plenty to do with the economic climate affecting some Japanese companies and their need to cut costs. Seems quality checks are often one of the first things to be cut back. G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ron Sent: 29 March 2002 02:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 For the past few years, Sony has been one of the lowest reliability manufacturers around. Their Service is one of the worst. Avoid them like the plague. -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 29 19:37:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:37:51 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <01C1D74E.A1DCAF20.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001e01c1d750$d4e4bb40$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> Good point, John - to illustrate, as some Nakophiles have noted, the quality of build of a TDK SA cassette varies considerably between which factory in the World it was made. I gather the Sony TVs that were (are?) made in Eire (Republic of Ireland) were supposedly of a very good quality in terms of build and workmanship, as were (I am told) the Hitachi TVs that were assembled in Wales before the plant was closed . Some Ford cars were generally better made in Holland and Germany than they were in the UK, such that some UK buyers would rather import, say, a right-hand drive Sierra made in Holland or Germany than one made at Longbridge in the UK (and that was not because they might have been cheaper to buy in Holland and Germany than in the UK, although that did become the case later.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 29 March 2002 06:21 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Ron I think you need to be consider two or three things: 1. Statistical reliability, in and of itself is a good thing. A higher MTBF (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to better integration, testing, continuous improvement. 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a single nation or region. (Do you think that some of the companies you name go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply elsewhere in the world. 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke into a highly respected brand. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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This is the best they can do. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ron Sent: Fri, March 29, 2002 7:59 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 The reason Sanyo TVs are at the top of the list is that they are *statistically* reliable. A good way to judge a product reliability is to see how long the manufacturer warranty is -- after all, who knows the product better? A 90 day warranty is worthless. Go for at least a year. Just as important is how a company deals with a customer after something does go wrong with a product. For example, Toshiba reliability is average, but the unfortunate customer that has been lured to buy one of their products (TV, in my case) learns to hate them with passion... Their service people are dishonest (no, 'sleazy' is the word) and the customer is left to deal with the problem on his own (and at his own expense). IOW, regardless of length, their warranty is worth nothing. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Very strange. I will soon have to buy a TV of the same size > (27") and at the same price point ($300), and I was thinking > asking about it here myself! However, my requirements are > different. Picture quality is not a top priority for me. I am > not much of a videophile - I'm happy watching VHS in EP speed, for > example. So anything with decent picture quality will make me > happy. I'm more intersted in reliability. Something that won't > break two weeks after the warranty expires. I know most people > don't take them seriously, but Consumer Reports seems to > consistently put Sanyo at the top of its reliabilty ratings for > televisions. Wal-Mart has a 27" Sanyo which appears to be their > top of the line model for $279. I forget the exact number, but > it's their best 27" non-FS set. It has PIP, but no component > video inputs, if I remember correctly. Does anyone have any > experience with Sanyo sets? I admit it's the last brand I would > take seriously, but I can't help but think that there has to be > SOMETHING to them always landing at the top of CR's reliability > ratings? > - Joe On Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:08:39 -0500 "Brian Miller" > writes: > > The range of knowledge/experience on this list can be > amazing, that said, I have the following question that I > am hoping some of you may have some experience and/or > wisdom for me. I need a new TV for the bedroom, I do not > need bells and whistles, picture would be first of > importance. > > I have been looking at 25"-27" TV's, but I am not fixed > at 25"-27", I could consider smaller. (Actually, my wife > would prefer a smaller TV, but you know us guys, we want > to go for the bigger version!) > > I went to Circuit City last night planning to purchase a > Panasonic, I have heard good things on their longevity. > I was specifically going there for the CT-27G6, $289. I > left with a JVC AV-27D302, $349. The JVC showed much > more detail IMO and all the Panasonics I looked at > seemed dark, the JVC simply seemed to have the better > picture, except it was a bit grainy. I thought, maybe > foolishly, it was just a store issue. > > The one I brought home seems to be a bit grainy as well. > There seems to be a flaw in the picture, so I am > planning on returning it, but I am not ruling out > exchanging it for the same TV. > > Thanks, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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A higher MTBF > (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to > better integration, testing, continuous improvement. Reliability is not an accident. It is a function of Engineering and design, which, in turn, are dictated by the Marketing Requirements Document prepared and driven by Product Management It's highly affected by the targeted price point of the product. > 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a > single nation or region. Service quality, poor or otherwise, is the result of a company's way of doing business. From the company's POV, it is not a 'problem', but a 'strategy'. It is defined and implemented to support company goals. Don't assume Service quality can depend on a particular Service department, disjointed from company headquarters. If it did, the company wouldn't last long. The companies I mentioned are thriving. > (Do you think that some of the companies you name > go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest > staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their > local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with > "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply > elsewhere in the world. Poor service may be confined to a region, but -- unless the company is highly decentralized -- it usually isn't. However, just to set the record straight, my comments (as CR statistics) are based on the companies behaviour in the US. > 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it > depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way > that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke > into a highly respected brand. Right. and you can be certain that this was a global decision, made as part of the Global company policy. We do not have the space to go into this issue. Its far more complex than meets the eye. It will take more than a post here, more than an article. I think a couple of books will be just enough to cover the basics. -- Ron > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: ron [SMTP:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Friday, 29 March, 2002 14:02 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > For the past few years, Sony has been one of the lowest reliability > manufacturers around. Their Service is one of the worst. Avoid them > like the plague. > > -- Ron > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > I have a 20" Sony Trinitron I bought in 1991...still going strong. The > 13" > > Trinitron I acquired in Tokyo in 1970 was retired in the late 1980's... > > > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > winnie pooh > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 11:47 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > > > If it helps, I've used a Sanyo for more than five years now without > > problems. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > > ======= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Fri Mar 29 22:31:09 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:31:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <3CA4D623.986FBFC7@rcn.com> Message-ID: Can't stop myself from making a way OT comment about SKODA. There is a common opinion in many European countries, especially in Eastern European that Volkswagen has gotten outsmarted by Skoda. For example, Skoda Fabia, which is a sister car to VW Polo is considered as a much better built car than the Polo. It is also much less likely to be stolen, a common problem in central Europe, than a VW. It got to the point that for quite some time VW didn't want to allow SKODA to build the PASSAT equivalent fearing that this car will be less expensive, better built and steal large market share from Passat. So, now, back on track, does the person looking for that $300 tv know exactly what to buy? I would think so. (LOL) Stan > 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it > depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way > that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke > into a highly respected brand. Right. and you can be certain that this was a global decision, made as part of the Global company policy. We do not have the space to go into this issue. Its far more complex than meets the eye. It will take more than a post here, more than an article. I think a couple of books will be just enough to cover the basics. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Mar 29 23:13:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:13:41 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <3CA4D623.986FBFC7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002001c1d76e$fbbb1200$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> Ron wrote: Reliability is not an accident. It is a function of Engineering and design, which, in turn, are dictated by the Marketing Requirements Document prepared and driven by Product Management It's highly affected by the targeted price point of the product. Obviously, design has much to do with reliability. Indeed, it was rumoured during the 1980's that Ford Motors in the UK had a secret unit that designed in obsolescence into their vehicles. (Not such a fanciful idea when you consider their latest models of vehicles are designed to make the servicing of them, and the replacement of many parts, take much longer than older models of cars ... for whose benefit is that?! Not the motorist ... ) However, it is surely also very much about the quality control standards in the manufacturing and assembly. It used to be said that Amstrad hi fi was either very well constructed or very badly, depending on which shift team did the work! Much also used to be said about Skoda cars, esp. the paint work finish - some were wonderful and some were awful and the rest were just slightly better than awful! Similarly, some experts reckoned they could tell a UK made Ford Escort from a German made one just by looking at it. Same parts, same paint, etc, just different quality of workmanship. Quite obviously, that will have an effect on reliability just as much as the choice of design and the quality of the components used, as the TDK SA example seems to illustrate. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Sat Mar 30 00:54:23 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:54:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 References: <094e01c1d705$86a73d40$343442cf@sank1> <3CA4777E.367A57EC@rcn.com> <098501c1d74b$d052f060$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001301c1d77d$0e00ecb0$9e3cbbd4@mauritshi7oiw3> From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > The isolation transformers I referred to in the Sanyo tv are the tiny sort > of things you see as transistor radio IF transformers, with tiny gauge wire. Tiny transformers can be safe when there are two 'chambers', so the two 'rooms' with copper windings are totally isolated. Not a good idea is winding first the primairy and the secundairy winding on top of it. For example: balanced-line trafo's in modems are also tiny but are pulse tested with 1500 Vtt. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Mar 30 08:53:11 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:53:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CD Copying: (Markku's website) Great post John Message-ID: Greetings, John in Portland, UK wrote: "One record company released a CD earlier this year that would not play on 'data' drives .This limitation was not advertised, and it caused quite a fuss, because a sizeable number of consumers use their PC's as a primary music source, and why not? See Angus Fox's column in the UK magazine Hi-Fi News." I haven'r read that article yet John, but frankly, I couldn't give a hoot if CDs are released that won't play on data drives. It's not that I'm against copying one's own CDs for personal use. But I don't believe that makes up the majority of the CDs that are burned every day. It's just that the sale of PC's has benefitted from performing this function, (without getting into the quality of such a PC - based function, per se). You say that a sizeable number of people use their computers to listen to music, and "why not?" They should go out and get a real hi-fi. Their purchasaing power will create economies of scale in the hi-fi industry that will help drive prices down. The prices of machines that really make music sound great. That's why. I too am anxious about being able to buy high resolution, non-compressed, non-data reduced formats into the future. And any facility that will help that happen, I would support. I don't however, support enormous prices levied for music record companies and certainly do appreciate the positive effect competition has or may have had on bringing prices down on recording apparatus. For all we know, if the hi-fi industry had a monopoly on CD-R technology, we might even be worse off. Love live the cassette deck!! Have a good Easter! Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Mar 30 11:15:35 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:15:35 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Message-ID: <01C1D7DB.81625780.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I for one, would really like to own a Sierra made at Longbridge, not because it would be a great car, but for its collectors' value. A Ford made at the main Rover plant - what a rarity!:) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 29 March, 2002 18:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Good point, John - to illustrate, as some Nakophiles have noted, the quality of build of a TDK SA cassette varies considerably between which factory in the World it was made. I gather the Sony TVs that were (are?) made in Eire (Republic of Ireland) were supposedly of a very good quality in terms of build and workmanship, as were (I am told) the Hitachi TVs that were assembled in Wales before the plant was closed . Some Ford cars were generally better made in Holland and Germany than they were in the UK, such that some UK buyers would rather import, say, a right-hand drive Sierra made in Holland or Germany than one made at Longbridge in the UK (and that was not because they might have been cheaper to buy in Holland and Germany than in the UK, although that did become the case later.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 29 March 2002 06:21 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Ron I think you need to be consider two or three things: 1. Statistical reliability, in and of itself is a good thing. A higher MTBF (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to better integration, testing, continuous improvement. 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a single nation or region. (Do you think that some of the companies you name go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply elsewhere in the world. 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke into a highly respected brand. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Mar 30 14:24:54 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:24:54 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <01C1D7DB.81625780.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <003201c1d7ee$4746dfe0$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> Whoops! Wrong factory .... I get them confused .... Ford's, Rovers, Vauxhalls ... they all look the same anyway! ;o) ("If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Quote: Jeremy Hardy) (Personally, I'd prefer not to have a Sierra wherever it was build, period! Horrible cars, esp. the Mark I that would take you into the next lane of the highway with a small gust of wind. They did everything with a wind tunnel you could dream of except test the car sideways on! Oh yeah, and if you merely gently boshed the back fender when you reversed a little too far you would crease the fuel tank ....nice! Rumour has it that you don't see many Mark 1 Sierra's on the road these days because their owners are all dead! ;o) ) G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 30 March 2002 10:16 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 I for one, would really like to own a Sierra made at Longbridge, not because it would be a great car, but for its collectors' value. A Ford made at the main Rover plant - what a rarity!:) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 29 March, 2002 18:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Good point, John - to illustrate, as some Nakophiles have noted, the quality of build of a TDK SA cassette varies considerably between which factory in the World it was made. I gather the Sony TVs that were (are?) made in Eire (Republic of Ireland) were supposedly of a very good quality in terms of build and workmanship, as were (I am told) the Hitachi TVs that were assembled in Wales before the plant was closed . Some Ford cars were generally better made in Holland and Germany than they were in the UK, such that some UK buyers would rather import, say, a right-hand drive Sierra made in Holland or Germany than one made at Longbridge in the UK (and that was not because they might have been cheaper to buy in Holland and Germany than in the UK, although that did become the case later.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 29 March 2002 06:21 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 Ron I think you need to be consider two or three things: 1. Statistical reliability, in and of itself is a good thing. A higher MTBF (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to better integration, testing, continuous improvement. 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a single nation or region. (Do you think that some of the companies you name go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply elsewhere in the world. 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke into a highly respected brand. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Mar 30 18:21:17 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:21:17 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt In-Reply-To: <003201c1d7ee$4746dfe0$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001f01c1d80f$4e62ee60$0701000a@attbi.com> I have been lurking in other audio sites and newsgroups, and have gotten not-too-positive feedback regarding Nakamichi's bankruptcy. Does that mean that Nak products will not resell as well? How would your reply look like to diffuse a negative comment regarding this bankruptcy if there was a pending Nak sale? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Sat Mar 30 20:57:37 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:57:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 In-Reply-To: <003201c1d7ee$4746dfe0$7c6443d4@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham, You'd think that Ford would have learned their lesson from fuel tank problem with the Mustang and the Pinto... I suppose that quality really _isn't_ job one at Ford. Erik. On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Graham Nelson wrote: > Whoops! Wrong factory .... I get them confused .... Ford's, Rovers, > Vauxhalls ... they all look the same anyway! ;o) > ("If capitalism is about choice, how come everything looks the same?" Quote: > Jeremy Hardy) > > (Personally, I'd prefer not to have a Sierra wherever it was build, period! > Horrible cars, esp. the Mark I that would take you into the next lane of the > highway with a small gust of wind. They did everything with a wind tunnel > you could dream of except test the car sideways on! Oh yeah, and if you > merely gently boshed the back fender when you reversed a little too far you > would crease the fuel tank ....nice! Rumour has it that you don't see many > Mark 1 Sierra's on the road these days because their owners are all dead! > ;o) ) > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 30 March 2002 10:16 AM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > > I for one, would really like to own a Sierra made at Longbridge, not > because it would be a great car, but for its collectors' value. A Ford made > at the main Rover plant - what a rarity!:) > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, 29 March, 2002 18:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > Good point, John - to illustrate, as some Nakophiles have noted, the > quality > of build of a TDK SA cassette varies considerably between which factory in > the World it was made. I gather the Sony TVs that were (are?) made in Eire > (Republic of Ireland) were supposedly of a very good quality in terms of > build and workmanship, as were (I am told) the Hitachi TVs that were > assembled in Wales before the plant was closed . Some Ford cars were > generally better made in Holland and Germany than they were in the UK, such > that some UK buyers would rather import, say, a right-hand drive Sierra > made > in Holland or Germany than one made at Longbridge in the UK (and that was > not because they might have been cheaper to buy in Holland and Germany than > in the UK, although that did become the case later.) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 29 March 2002 06:21 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > > Ron > I think you need to be consider two or three things: > 1. Statistical reliability, in and of itself is a good thing. A higher MTBF > (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to > better integration, testing, continuous improvement. > 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a > single nation or region. (Do you think that some of the companies you name > go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest > staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their > local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with > "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply > elsewhere in the world. > 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it > depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way > that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke > into a highly respected brand. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer ELC Technologies 1532 State Street Suite C Santa Barbara, CA 93101 elotspeich at elctech.com (805) 884.8300 phn (805) 884.8339 fax http://www.elctech.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) only. 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A Ford is not a brilliant idea from any plant, anyway they refuse to make them anywhere accept Germany now. I'll stick to a Rover mad by Rover, at least it is vaguely British! Regards partianymal ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > I for one, would really like to own a Sierra made at Longbridge, not > because it would be a great car, but for its collectors' value. A Ford made > at the main Rover plant - what a rarity!:) > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Friday, 29 March, 2002 18:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > Good point, John - to illustrate, as some Nakophiles have noted, the > quality > of build of a TDK SA cassette varies considerably between which factory in > the World it was made. I gather the Sony TVs that were (are?) made in Eire > (Republic of Ireland) were supposedly of a very good quality in terms of > build and workmanship, as were (I am told) the Hitachi TVs that were > assembled in Wales before the plant was closed . Some Ford cars were > generally better made in Holland and Germany than they were in the UK, such > that some UK buyers would rather import, say, a right-hand drive Sierra > made > in Holland or Germany than one made at Longbridge in the UK (and that was > not because they might have been cheaper to buy in Holland and Germany than > in the UK, although that did become the case later.) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 29 March 2002 06:21 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best TV for approx. $300 > > > Ron > I think you need to be consider two or three things: > 1. Statistical reliability, in and of itself is a good thing. A higher MTBF > (mean time between failure) indicates that the design has been subjected to > better integration, testing, continuous improvement. > 2. Poor service is a managerial problem, and will usually be confined to a > single nation or region. (Do you think that some of the companies you name > go out of their way to acquire a bad reputation by recruiting dishonest > staff? I rather think that the service staff get their attitude from their > local management. ) Therefore you should preface some of your comments with > "in the US" or "in my part of the US", because they might well not apply > elsewhere in the world. > 3. I think that it is fair to treat reliability as a global issue - it > depends on the company's overall attitude to engineering. Example: the way > that Volkswagen, an engineering led company, has turned Skoda from a joke > into a highly respected brand. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.343 / Virus Database: 190 - Release Date: 22/03/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sir_stewart at hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 21:11:10 2002 From: sir_stewart at hotmail.com (mick s) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:11:10 Subject: [naktalk] Condolences on death of Queen Mum Message-ID: To all the Naktalkers back in the mother country, I would like to send Condolences from those of us scattered around the Commonwealth, upon which the sun never sets, on death of our favourite Royal, the Queen Mum.She was unique. It is a sad day for all. Mick _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Mar 31 00:21:01 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:21:01 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Condolences on death of Queen Mum References: Message-ID: <3CA6485D.13CDB4C0@earthlink.net> Indeed, to all of you living in the Commonwealth, you have my condolences. Jim Volpatti mick s wrote: > To all the Naktalkers back in the mother country, I would like to send > Condolences from those of us scattered around the Commonwealth, upon which > the sun never sets, on death of our favourite Royal, the Queen Mum.She was > unique. > > It is a sad day for all. > > Mick > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Mar 31 21:24:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:24:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> <01eb01c1d2cd$295a58c0$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002701c1d8e9$b571d3c0$4a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Just got my latest nak ... a 581 which has no markings on the solder side of main PCB, is the VR105 / 205 to adjust 15k meter level ? Also the reel motor voltage on "play" measures 7.5 dcV, which is kind of high (compared to 3.2 dcV on 482), so reel motor's running fast and made reel clutch 'working hard'. Is there any easy way to adjust the dc voltage to reel motor ? Rew & FF is a good 12V. As usual, thanks much in advance. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] manual for 581? http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/english/ username- naktalk password- limited Download the 582Z owner's manual, which is identical in all respects but for the addition of the tape/source monitor switch. Just ignore where it says to select tape monitor mode in the calibration procedures, as the meters will read what's actually been recorded on the tape for cal level setting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Mar 31 21:24:25 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:24:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] manual for 581? References: <002801c1cd10$09d1cdc0$98eb193e@a4s1s2> <01eb01c1d2cd$295a58c0$343442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002301c1d8e9$ac3ddec0$4a289bca@smarzuki> Hi Stephen, Just got my latest nak ... a 581 which has no markings on the solder side of main PCB, is the VR105 / 205 to adjust 15k meter level ? Also the reel motor voltage on "play" measures 7.5 dcV, which is kind of high (compared to 3.2 dcV on 482), so reel motor's running fast and made reel clutch 'working hard'. Is there any easy way to adjust the dc voltage to reel motor ? Rew & FF is a good 12V. As usual, thanks much in advance. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] manual for 581? http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/owners/english/ username- naktalk password- limited Download the 582Z owner's manual, which is identical in all respects but for the addition of the tape/source monitor switch. Just ignore where it says to select tape monitor mode in the calibration procedures, as the meters will read what's actually been recorded on the tape for cal level setting. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Mar 28 08:58:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 07:58:32 -0000 Subject: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A26@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003201c1d62e$5afaa560$bed0193e@a4s1s2> Yep. There are sure some weirdoes at the moment. One guy out there I see has a Lenco L75 and his starting price is $300! Obviously, no bidders. He's also got a Thorens TD125 which he SWEARS comes with 78rpm as standard ... oh no it doesn't. TD124 or TD126 but not TD125 ... and that too has a wacky starting price. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 28 March 2002 12:31 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wireless remote: Walter Drewes This seller on Ebay must be on something - what a rip off! Don't think anyone will be bidding for this item. I paid US $28.50 for my RM-580T/R on Ebay about a year ago. I remember seeing in an electronics magazine many years ago, DIY remote IR kits. Maybe these kits (if they are still available) can work on Naks. Tom Siomopoulos. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.342 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 14/03/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-4.txt ************************************************************************ From joelll at genericdomain.net Mon Apr 1 07:56:17 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:56:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt In-Reply-To: <001f01c1d80f$4e62ee60$0701000a@attbi.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Mike deVera wrote: > I have been lurking in other audio sites and newsgroups, and have gotten > not-too-positive feedback regarding Nakamichi's bankruptcy. > > Does that mean that Nak products will not resell as well? How would your > reply look like to diffuse a negative comment regarding this bankruptcy if > there was a pending Nak sale? Apparently they're in the Japanese equivalent of the US' Chapter 11 Reorganization rather than Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and Liquidation. It might take a bit of research to find out exactly what's going on; keep in mind that US companies run themselves with open books in comparison with Japanese accounting. Vintage Nakamichi products should still continue to hold value as long as there's demand, and I would think that the demand isn't based on what the company is making now, though there may be some effect based on spare-parts availability for non-generic parts. joelll -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Apr 1 08:41:41 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:41:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c1d948$48cdbcc0$0701000a@attbi.com> Thank you for the explanation. It's somewhat daunting when I get a volley from left field like: NAKAMICHI WENT BANKRUPT: Like a headliner I would see in a supermarket aisle. I would think that there are plenty of financial interests in continuing the Nakamichi marquee, though some have mentioned that of late, it's been tarnished due to a lot of "NOT Made in Japan". -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Joel Herda Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Mike deVera wrote: > I have been lurking in other audio sites and newsgroups, and have gotten > not-too-positive feedback regarding Nakamichi's bankruptcy. > > Does that mean that Nak products will not resell as well? How would your > reply look like to diffuse a negative comment regarding this bankruptcy if > there was a pending Nak sale? Apparently they're in the Japanese equivalent of the US' Chapter 11 Reorganization rather than Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and Liquidation. It might take a bit of research to find out exactly what's going on; keep in mind that US companies run themselves with open books in comparison with Japanese accounting. Vintage Nakamichi products should still continue to hold value as long as there's demand, and I would think that the demand isn't based on what the company is making now, though there may be some effect based on spare-parts availability for non-generic parts. joelll -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From britri at pacbell.net Mon Apr 1 21:14:10 2002 From: britri at pacbell.net (Brian Stocker) Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 11:14:10 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt References: <000c01c1d948$48cdbcc0$0701000a@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3CA8B182.2AC6A337@pacbell.net> I don't spend much time acquainting myself with new audio gear. Are there any Nak fans out there who are familiar with "great" new Nak products. Is it possible that Nakamichi WAS a great, profitable company? Brian Mike deVera wrote: > Thank you for the explanation. It's somewhat daunting when I get a volley > from left field like: NAKAMICHI WENT BANKRUPT: Like a headliner I would see > in a supermarket aisle. > > I would think that there are plenty of financial interests in continuing the > Nakamichi marquee, though some have mentioned that of late, it's been > tarnished due to a lot of "NOT Made in Japan". > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Joel Herda > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt > > On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Mike deVera wrote: > > > I have been lurking in other audio sites and newsgroups, and have gotten > > not-too-positive feedback regarding Nakamichi's bankruptcy. > > > > Does that mean that Nak products will not resell as well? How would your > > reply look like to diffuse a negative comment regarding this bankruptcy if > > there was a pending Nak sale? > > Apparently they're in the Japanese equivalent of the US' Chapter 11 > Reorganization rather than Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and Liquidation. It might > take a bit of research to find out exactly what's going on; keep in mind > that US companies run themselves with open books in comparison with > Japanese accounting. > > Vintage Nakamichi products should still continue to hold value as long as > there's demand, and I would think that the demand isn't based on what the > company is making now, though there may be some effect based on > spare-parts availability for non-generic parts. > > joelll > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Apr 1 20:24:16 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:24:16 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt In-Reply-To: <3CA8B182.2AC6A337@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <005501c1d9aa$6f338680$0701000a@attbi.com> Stephan Sank did mention that the new DR-5 is garbage, garbage, garbage --- Not the pedigree lineage it was suppose to come from. I would think the mini-system it mates with, is also not of the "high-class", that Nak was known for, up to the mid-90s. Irregardless, the vintage gear (especially cassette, ST-7 tuner, and the Stasis amps), is where I get my pleasure from. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stocker Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt I don't spend much time acquainting myself with new audio gear. Are there any Nak fans out there who are familiar with "great" new Nak products. Is it possible that Nakamichi WAS a great, profitable company? Brian Mike deVera wrote: > Thank you for the explanation. It's somewhat daunting when I get a volley > from left field like: NAKAMICHI WENT BANKRUPT: Like a headliner I would see > in a supermarket aisle. > > I would think that there are plenty of financial interests in continuing the > Nakamichi marquee, though some have mentioned that of late, it's been > tarnished due to a lot of "NOT Made in Japan". > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Joel Herda > Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 9:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt > > On Sat, 30 Mar 2002, Mike deVera wrote: > > > I have been lurking in other audio sites and newsgroups, and have gotten > > not-too-positive feedback regarding Nakamichi's bankruptcy. > > > > Does that mean that Nak products will not resell as well? How would your > > reply look like to diffuse a negative comment regarding this bankruptcy if > > there was a pending Nak sale? > > Apparently they're in the Japanese equivalent of the US' Chapter 11 > Reorganization rather than Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and Liquidation. It might > take a bit of research to find out exactly what's going on; keep in mind > that US companies run themselves with open books in comparison with > Japanese accounting. > > Vintage Nakamichi products should still continue to hold value as long as > there's demand, and I would think that the demand isn't based on what the > company is making now, though there may be some effect based on > spare-parts availability for non-generic parts. > > joelll > > -- > Joel Herda > joelll at genericdomain.net > joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Apr 1 20:39:56 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:39:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: high prices being paid at auction Message-ID: <01C1D9B5.05AB39A0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I bought a Stax SR-34 set for about USD55 in December. Here are two new eBay-ers slugging it out for an identical item,. One of them is going to pay about five times what I paid! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341946994 John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Mon Apr 1 20:56:05 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 10:56:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: high prices being paid at auction In-Reply-To: <01C1D9B5.05AB39A0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <005701c1d9ae$e1157020$0701000a@attbi.com> Ahh, again the old adage of youth wasted on the young ... But as a seller, it's a welcomed view. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 10:40 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] OT: high prices being paid at auction I bought a Stax SR-34 set for about USD55 in December. Here are two new eBay-ers slugging it out for an identical item,. One of them is going to pay about five times what I paid! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1341946994 John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 2 20:10:57 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 01:10:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt References: <005501c1d9aa$6f338680$0701000a@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001c01c1da71$bd8a4680$4e289bca@smarzuki> Ugh, and i thought my zx is new ... My friend happen to use Nak's soundspace HT system and he enjoyed it much, compared to 'regular' yamaha and other home theatre stuff he ever tried. Imho Nak was confused whether to maintain its high end status or got competitive into mid-fi market. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike deVera To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt Stephan Sank did mention that the new DR-5 is garbage, garbage, garbage --- Not the pedigree lineage it was suppose to come from. I would think the mini-system it mates with, is also not of the "high-class", that Nak was known for, up to the mid-90s. Irregardless, the vintage gear (especially cassette, ST-7 tuner, and the Stasis amps), is where I get my pleasure from. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Stocker Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 11:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Bankrupt I don't spend much time acquainting myself with new audio gear. Are there any Nak fans out there who are familiar with "great" new Nak products. Is it possible that Nakamichi WAS a great, profitable company? Brian Mike deVera wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Apr 3 04:08:10 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:08:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Message-ID: <20020402.211518.-149707.2.josephj69@juno.com> Before I buy a $4 cord at Radio Shank for my new CD tansport, can someone suggest a nice quality inexpensive power IEC power cord? All the audio specialty cable "manufacturers" who sell $400 power cords brag about using "medical grade" connectors. Can't I just buy a cord out of a medical supply catalog and save $380? Any suggestions in the $10 - $20 would be appreacited. Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Apr 3 04:47:02 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 18:47:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <20020402.211518.-149707.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <20020403024702.65119.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> You can get nice Hospital grade power cords from Digikey. www.digikey.com for around $12 (plus shipping, subject to minimum order of course). Pickup so high quality op amps, film capacitor and soft recovery diodes to improve the sound of your CD player. I'm sure Mr. Sank could give you some pointers on what or order if you don't know already. Go to their www.digikey.com and search on Q132-ND for the 10' gray/clear 18 gauge $11.50 Q133-ND for the 10' gray/gray 18 gauge $11.50 Q263-ND for the 10' right angle gray/clear 18 gauge $13.51 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelll at genericdomain.net Wed Apr 3 04:55:56 2002 From: joelll at genericdomain.net (Joel Herda) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:55:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <20020402.211518.-149707.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Apr 2002 josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Before I buy a $4 cord at Radio Shank for my new CD tansport, can someone > suggest a nice quality inexpensive power IEC power cord? All the audio > specialty cable "manufacturers" who sell $400 power cords brag about > using "medical grade" connectors. Can't I just buy a cord out of a > medical supply catalog and save $380? > > Any suggestions in the $10 - $20 would be appreacited. If you want to pay money for one, I'd buy a cord that you think looks good out of a catalog for $20. Since I have almost as many dead vintage computer components as working audio components (and I have four stereo systems set up around my apartment), I have a large variety of IEC power cords hanging around. Most of them are thin, because most computers don't consume much amperage, but some of them are of the heavy-duty variety. They brag about "hospital grade" connectors because they sound exotic, aren't available at Home Depot, and look chunkier, though the actual throughput of AC power is the same. All that this really means is that it's a heavy duty plug or receptacle, and all outlets in a hospital have to be able to carry enough amperage to power any of the machines, some of which may have a 20-amp power requirement, which means that one of the plug blades is rotated sideways, and a 20-amp supplied receptacle can accept it. They'll also sell you an exotic "hospital grade" outlet for a few hundred to plug the exotic power cord into, though you're still limited to the same wire that's installed in your walls, and then the same wire that's used between the power plant and your fusebox. But of course, the power wiring inside your component is the ordinary stuff found around the factory. In my humble opinion, all the exotic materials they brag about are unable to justify the startlingly high prices they charge. Even if everything they were using to make up a power cable were able to be shown to make a difference, the actual cost of an $800 cable can't be more than about $40. I myself prefer the heavy-grade 8-foot IEC power cables that come with Sun computers, but those are for my computers. My raft of vintage audio is all using the original power cords, almost all of which are attached non-grounding zip cord. joel -- Joel Herda joelll at genericdomain.net joelll at theworld.com When I grow up, I want to be like me ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 05:45:41 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:45:41 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <20020402.211518.-149707.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3CAA7AE4.7F03152@earthlink.net> Joe, I would suggest that you go to a local stereo store and listen to an inexpensive after market power cord, compared to a $4 cord. I wish I could explain the science involved but there is a lot more to an after market power cord than just the connector. Shunyata Research makes some of the best that I've heard. Their prices range from $149 to $2400. In a quality system, the improvement wrought by one of these cables can be quite amazing. Listen and let your ears be the judge. Jim josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Before I buy a $4 cord at Radio Shank for my new CD tansport, can someone > suggest a nice quality inexpensive power IEC power cord? All the audio > specialty cable "manufacturers" who sell $400 power cords brag about > using "medical grade" connectors. Can't I just buy a cord out of a > medical supply catalog and save $380? > > Any suggestions in the $10 - $20 would be appreacited. > > Thanks, > Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 07:39:52 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:39:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Message-ID: <3CAA95A8.FFA6B175@earthlink.net> Power line noise comes not only from the power company, your neighbors and the other appliances in your home, but more significantly, from the very components in your system. The AC wiring in your home or in your components does nothing to reduce this noise. A good quality power cable can make a significant improvement in this regard. Although I am not a metallurgist (if I remember correctly, there is one amongst us) a quality Edison and IEC connector can improve the conductivity of the overall cable by improving the plating and soldering process. Lead and carbon are believed to inhibit electron flow and Shunyata Research goes out of their way to use materials that contain as little of it as possible. Their preferred materials are high purity copper, silver, rhodium and gold. Regarding the cost of a quality power cable (or any other audio product), I prefer to judge it on its performance, not the cost of the parts to manufacture it. The manufacturer has to include all of his overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, utilities, tax, etc, etc) and add a bit for profit, when setting a wholesale and retail price. In between are the distributor and the dealer, with their associated expenses. Besides, any manufacturer that overcharges for their product leaves themselves vulnerable to their competition, who can charge less and gain market share. I would not shame power cable manufacturer's until I tried a great one in my system. I did not truly believe in power line products until I tried Shunyata Research. Their $340 Sidewinder Gold cable, used on my amplifier, made more an improvement than upgrading my preamp, CD player or any of the other cables. Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Wed Apr 3 09:45:53 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 23:45:53 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <3CAA95A8.FFA6B175@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material rundown: Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the wall plug end for superior noise shielding. High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO and many other high end cord manufacturers. Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile quality WBT Silver Solder. Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality cable? Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's being connected. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Power line noise comes not only from the power company, your neighbors and the other appliances in your home, but more significantly, from the very components in your system. The AC wiring in your home or in your components does nothing to reduce this noise. A good quality power cable can make a significant improvement in this regard. Although I am not a metallurgist (if I remember correctly, there is one amongst us) a quality Edison and IEC connector can improve the conductivity of the overall cable by improving the plating and soldering process. Lead and carbon are believed to inhibit electron flow and Shunyata Research goes out of their way to use materials that contain as little of it as possible. Their preferred materials are high purity copper, silver, rhodium and gold. Regarding the cost of a quality power cable (or any other audio product), I prefer to judge it on its performance, not the cost of the parts to manufacture it. The manufacturer has to include all of his overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, utilities, tax, etc, etc) and add a bit for profit, when setting a wholesale and retail price. In between are the distributor and the dealer, with their associated expenses. Besides, any manufacturer that overcharges for their product leaves themselves vulnerable to their competition, who can charge less and gain market share. I would not shame power cable manufacturer's until I tried a great one in my system. I did not truly believe in power line products until I tried Shunyata Research. Their $340 Sidewinder Gold cable, used on my amplifier, made more an improvement than upgrading my preamp, CD player or any of the other cables. Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 10:13:49 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 00:13:49 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> Message-ID: <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the distributor and the store. Jim Mike deVera wrote: > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > rundown: > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > quality WBT Silver Solder. > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > cable? > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > being connected. > > Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 12:46:04 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 02:46:04 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CAADD6B.8D7755FC@earthlink.net> By the way, the cable you describe sounds as if it should retail for no more than $75. Jim Jim Volpatti wrote: > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > distributor and the store. > > Jim > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > > rundown: > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > > cable? > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > > being connected. > > > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Apr 3 14:31:46 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:31:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Message-ID: <01C1DB13.E8E3F680.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Mike I built several cables following a design given by NZ/Aussie valve guru Allen Wright (www.vacuumstate.com) in his cables cookbook. These used very thick diameter solid core wire, indeed they were so thick that I had to use garden hose as an outer insulation shield before putting on the (XXXL) braid. I even rewired my distribution board. Unfortunately, there was no audible change, but what the heck, I enjoy doing this sort of thing anyway. I also have a Russ Andrews/Kimber power cord that makes no difference. On the other hand, magazines and enthusiasts claim that the design of the mains cabling makes a big difference to the sound. Read about Ken Kessler's listening room, wired with four, yes, count them, *four* different types of mains cable in Hi-Fi News! And, the summit of audiophile bliss, only Ken knows which socket is wired with which cable! Can you imagine the fun that visitors to Kens must have? (Sorry KK if you ever should read this - you are never afraid to stick you neck out, and that is admirable.) So, to my questions for all you Nak fans: 1. Do any of you feel strongly on this subject (apart from Ron, of course :))? I would like to hear if anyone has experienced mains cables improving their sound. 2. If all the cable does is reject radio-frequency interference (and I can't think what else it might need to do) then why not just put a simple mains filter on the equipment end of the cable? Over to you guys. John Walker (part-time agent provocateur: taking a break from stripping wood and digging the garden) Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk PS: would any of you like to buy me a VacuumState pre-amp kit for Christmas? -----Original Message----- From: Mike deVera [SMTP:mdevera at compuserve.com] Sent: Wednesday, 03 April, 2002 08:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material rundown: Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the wall plug end for superior noise shielding. High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO and many other high end cord manufacturers. Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile quality WBT Silver Solder. Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality cable? Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's being connected. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Power line noise comes not only from the power company, your neighbors and the other appliances in your home, but more significantly, from the very components in your system. The AC wiring in your home or in your components does nothing to reduce this noise. A good quality power cable can make a significant improvement in this regard. Although I am not a metallurgist (if I remember correctly, there is one amongst us) a quality Edison and IEC connector can improve the conductivity of the overall cable by improving the plating and soldering process. Lead and carbon are believed to inhibit electron flow and Shunyata Research goes out of their way to use materials that contain as little of it as possible. Their preferred materials are high purity copper, silver, rhodium and gold. Regarding the cost of a quality power cable (or any other audio product), I prefer to judge it on its performance, not the cost of the parts to manufacture it. The manufacturer has to include all of his overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, utilities, tax, etc, etc) and add a bit for profit, when setting a wholesale and retail price. In between are the distributor and the dealer, with their associated expenses. Besides, any manufacturer that overcharges for their product leaves themselves vulnerable to their competition, who can charge less and gain market share. I would not shame power cable manufacturer's until I tried a great one in my system. I did not truly believe in power line products until I tried Shunyata Research. Their $340 Sidewinder Gold cable, used on my amplifier, made more an improvement than upgrading my preamp, CD player or any of the other cables. Jim ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Apr 3 15:43:33 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 08:43:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <01C1DB13.E8E3F680.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002801c1db15$8e4ece50$a1021fac@brianm> Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable talk evokes the most arguements. Jim has given plently of good information. In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby is expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my system besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 power cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife and I were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power cord. I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the difference to ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may perform better than others on different products. (I should note that when I compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I shoud compare again at some time.) As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Wed Apr 3 20:18:05 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 10:18:05 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <002801c1db15$8e4ece50$a1021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000501c1db3b$e67fc090$217ba8c0@henry> I guess I am just not the audiophile that others are here (or as independently wealthy). Yes, I believe that there is a difference using $2K power cords and $20K speaker cables. Do I think that even if I had the money I would spend it that way. No way in hell. I try to make a moderate output of money equal pleasure to my ears. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable talk evokes the most arguements. Jim has given plently of good information. In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby is expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my system besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 power cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife and I were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power cord. I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the difference to ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may perform better than others on different products. (I should note that when I compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I shoud compare again at some time.) As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I paid $75, if I remember correctly, for a used 6' AC-2 and the other I purchased new for $153 (8'), a far cry from 2K! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > I guess I am just not the audiophile that others are here (or as > independently wealthy). Yes, I believe that there is a difference using > $2K power cords and $20K speaker cables. Do I think that even if I had > the money I would spend it that way. No way in hell. > > I try to make a moderate output of money equal pleasure to my ears. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Brian Miller > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable talk > evokes the most arguements. > > Jim has given plently of good information. > > In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby > is > expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my > system > besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 power > cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife and > I > were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power cord. > > I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the difference > to > ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may > perform > better than others on different products. (I should note that when I > compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I > shoud > compare again at some time.) > > As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 20:57:43 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 10:57:43 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <01C1DB13.E8E3F680.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3CAB50A7.E2B40792@earthlink.net> A note to the disbelievers: I have several after market cables here in my listening room and they all sound different. Based on elementary electrical theory, I can understand why there are so many disbelievers. The trouble is that the human ear is capable of hearing things that we have not found a way to measure. I repeat: do not knock power cables until you try a great one in your system. I did a blind comparison between a stock AC cable and the Shunyata Sidewinder and scored 100% in 15 tries. By the way, I just sold a couple of Shunyata power cables to a guy who used Kimber PK-something or other cables in his system. You should have seen his enthusiasm after we tried the Shunyatas in his system. Here is a copy of the email that he sent me after I placed an order for his cables: Hi Jim, Thank you for coming on Sunday, the cables were unbelievable. It was so great that you could point out the weak point of my system and able to make adjustment by using your cables. It was an eye-opening experience to see how much the sound has improved simply by removing the black noise. Thank you for checking on the warranty info from Shunyata, by looking at the external details on the cable, it has already proven their great workmanship on their products. I will be waiting by the door for Python and Sidewinder's arrival. Could another Sidewinder and Hydra be next?? Thanks, Steve I always tell my customers to trust their ears. We can debate theory and technology until the cows come home but in the end, what we hear is all that matters. Jim John Walker wrote: > Mike > I built several cables following a design given by NZ/Aussie valve guru > Allen Wright (www.vacuumstate.com) in his cables cookbook. These used very > thick diameter solid core wire, indeed they were so thick that I had to use > garden hose as an outer insulation shield before putting on the (XXXL) > braid. I even rewired my distribution board. Unfortunately, there was no > audible change, but what the heck, I enjoy doing this sort of thing anyway. > I also have a Russ Andrews/Kimber power cord that makes no difference. > > On the other hand, magazines and enthusiasts claim that the design of the > mains cabling makes a big difference to the sound. Read about Ken Kessler's > listening room, wired with four, yes, count them, *four* different types of > mains cable in Hi-Fi News! And, the summit of audiophile bliss, only Ken > knows which socket is wired with which cable! Can you imagine the fun that > visitors to Kens must have? (Sorry KK if you ever should read this - you > are never afraid to stick you neck out, and that is admirable.) > > So, to my questions for all you Nak fans: > 1. Do any of you feel strongly on this subject (apart from Ron, of course > :))? I would like to hear if anyone has experienced mains cables improving > their sound. > 2. If all the cable does is reject radio-frequency interference (and I > can't think what else it might need to do) then why not just put a simple > mains filter on the equipment end of the cable? > > Over to you guys. > > John Walker (part-time agent provocateur: taking a break from stripping > wood and digging the garden) > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > PS: would any of you like to buy me a VacuumState pre-amp kit for > Christmas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 21:04:24 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:04:24 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <01C1DB13.E8E3F680.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002801c1db15$8e4ece50$a1021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CAB5237.DDB33119@earthlink.net> Thank you, Brian. I have found that not only do different power cables sound different, but the improvement wrought by the same cable varies depending on where it is used in a system. Power cables are not only system dependent, they are component dependent. Jim Brian Miller wrote: > Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable talk > evokes the most arguements. > > Jim has given plently of good information. > > In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby is > expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my system > besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 power > cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife and I > were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power cord. > > I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the difference to > ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may perform > better than others on different products. (I should note that when I > compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I shoud > compare again at some time.) > > As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed Apr 3 21:05:09 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:05:09 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <3CAB50A7.E2B40792@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000201c1db42$7a6ef0e0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Thanks Jim. Well said. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord A note to the disbelievers: I have several after market cables here in my listening room and they all sound different. Based on elementary electrical theory, I can understand why there are so many disbelievers. The trouble is that the human ear is capable of hearing things that we have not found a way to measure. I repeat: do not knock power cables until you try a great one in your system. I did a blind comparison between a stock AC cable and the Shunyata Sidewinder and scored 100% in 15 tries. By the way, I just sold a couple of Shunyata power cables to a guy who used Kimber PK-something or other cables in his system. You should have seen his enthusiasm after we tried the Shunyatas in his system. Here is a copy of the email that he sent me after I placed an order for his cables: Hi Jim, Thank you for coming on Sunday, the cables were unbelievable. It was so great that you could point out the weak point of my system and able to make adjustment by using your cables. It was an eye-opening experience to see how much the sound has improved simply by removing the black noise. Thank you for checking on the warranty info from Shunyata, by looking at the external details on the cable, it has already proven their great workmanship on their products. I will be waiting by the door for Python and Sidewinder's arrival. Could another Sidewinder and Hydra be next?? Thanks, Steve I always tell my customers to trust their ears. We can debate theory and technology until the cows come home but in the end, what we hear is all that matters. Jim John Walker wrote: Mike I built several cables following a design given by NZ/Aussie valve guru Allen Wright (www.vacuumstate.com) in his cables cookbook. These used very thick diameter solid core wire, indeed they were so thick that I had to use garden hose as an outer insulation shield before putting on the (XXXL) braid. I even rewired my distribution board. Unfortunately, there was no audible change, but what the heck, I enjoy doing this sort of thing anyway. I also have a Russ Andrews/Kimber power cord that makes no difference. On the other hand, magazines and enthusiasts claim that the design of the mains cabling makes a big difference to the sound. Read about Ken Kessler's listening room, wired with four, yes, count them, *four* different types of mains cable in Hi-Fi News! And, the summit of audiophile bliss, only Ken knows which socket is wired with which cable! Can you imagine the fun that visitors to Kens must have? (Sorry KK if you ever should read this - you are never afraid to stick you neck out, and that is admirable.) So, to my questions for all you Nak fans: 1. Do any of you feel strongly on this subject (apart from Ron, of course :))? I would like to hear if anyone has experienced mains cables improving their sound. 2. If all the cable does is reject radio-frequency interference (and I can't think what else it might need to do) then why not just put a simple mains filter on the equipment end of the cable? Over to you guys. John Walker (part-time agent provocateur: taking a break from stripping wood and digging the garden) Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk PS: would any of you like to buy me a VacuumState pre-amp kit for Christmas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 21:28:52 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:28:52 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <000501c1db3b$e67fc090$217ba8c0@henry> Message-ID: <3CAB57F4.131D677D@earthlink.net> Tim: Good point. That's why cables are made in all price ranges. One does not have to spend $20,000, or even $2000 to realize an improvement in his system. Quality cables can be had for as little as $100. I hope that you have found some that both fit your budget and bring you musical enjoyment. To all on Naktalk: For what's worth, I am glad that we can debate civilly amongst ourselves here on Naktalk. If this were rec.audio.opinion or the Audio Asylum, all hell would have broken loose already, complete with insults and abuse. Thanks for making this such an enjoyable place to trade information. Cheers! Jim "Timothy H. Jackson" wrote: > I guess I am just not the audiophile that others are here (or as > independently wealthy). Yes, I believe that there is a difference using > $2K power cords and $20K speaker cables. Do I think that even if I had > the money I would spend it that way. No way in hell. > > I try to make a moderate output of money equal pleasure to my ears. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Brian Miller > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable talk > evokes the most arguements. > > Jim has given plently of good information. > > In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby > is > expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my > system > besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 power > cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife and > I > were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power cord. > > I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the difference > to > ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may > perform > better than others on different products. (I should note that when I > compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I > shoud > compare again at some time.) > > As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Wed Apr 3 21:29:47 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 11:29:47 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <01a601c1db3f$60b0b2e0$a1021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000001c1db45$eaf64900$217ba8c0@henry> Sorry Brian, I was not trying to flame you directly. What I meant to convey is that everyone is entitled to do what they want, but trying to convince me to spend $2K or $75 on a power cord is just not going to make it. You are perfectly free to do so. I thought I was agreeing that there is possibly a difference and saying that it was not a difference I would ever invest in. Yes, when I "let my ears decide" my ears may tell me that there is a difference. I can guarantee that my brain will override and keep the wallet in the pocket. Why do I need to be excided to disagree about the way I choose to spend my money? I am just chiming in as a member of that other community. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Sheesh Tim, Why you getting so excited?? I am not independantly wealthy either nor would I advocate 2K for a power cord and 20K for speaker cables. I paid $75, if I remember correctly, for a used 6' AC-2 and the other I purchased new for $153 (8'), a far cry from 2K! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > I guess I am just not the audiophile that others are here (or as > independently wealthy). Yes, I believe that there is a difference using > $2K power cords and $20K speaker cables. Do I think that even if I had > the money I would spend it that way. No way in hell. > > I try to make a moderate output of money equal pleasure to my ears. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Brian Miller > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable talk > evokes the most arguements. > > Jim has given plently of good information. > > In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby > is > expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my > system > besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 power > cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife and > I > were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power cord. > > I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the difference > to > ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may > perform > better than others on different products. (I should note that when I > compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I > shoud > compare again at some time.) > > As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 3 21:43:33 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 11:43:33 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <000201c1db42$7a6ef0e0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <3CAB5B64.64C6F943@earthlink.net> You mean I'm actually making sense?? LOL My pleasure, John. Cheers, Jim John wrote: > Thanks Jim. Well said. Cal John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:58 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power > cord > > A note to the disbelievers: > > I have several after market cables here in my listening room > and they all sound different. Based on elementary electrical > theory, I can understand why there are so many disbelievers. > The trouble is that the human ear is capable of hearing > things that we have not found a way to measure. > > I repeat: do not knock power cables until you try a great > one in your system. I did a blind comparison between a stock > AC cable and the Shunyata Sidewinder and scored 100% in 15 > tries. > > By the way, I just sold a couple of Shunyata power cables to > a guy who used Kimber PK-something or other cables in his > system. You should have seen his enthusiasm after we tried > the Shunyatas in his system. Here is a copy of the email > that he sent me after I placed an order for his cables: > > > Hi Jim, > > Thank you for coming on Sunday, the cables were > unbelievable. It was so > great that you could point out the weak point of my system > and able to make > adjustment by using your cables. It was an eye-opening > experience to see how > much the sound has improved simply by removing the black > noise. > Thank you for checking on the warranty info from Shunyata, > by looking at the > external details on the cable, it has already proven their > great workmanship > on their products. I will be waiting by the door for Python > and Sidewinder's > arrival. Could another Sidewinder and Hydra be next?? > > Thanks, > Steve > > > I always tell my customers to trust their ears. We can > debate theory and technology until the cows come home but in > the end, what we hear is all that matters. > > Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed Apr 3 21:49:24 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:49:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <000001c1db45$eaf64900$217ba8c0@henry> Message-ID: <01c201c1db48$a8b49620$a1021fac@brianm> Tim, I didn't think you were directing your comments to me directly and I will apologize for coming on strong. I guess I got "excited" myself when reading your comments, as I felt your examples were a gross overstatement. (i.e. 2k and 20k) I have been where you were in the past. Don't be to dogmatic about what you will not do in this hobby, in a few years you just might be! Peace! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy H. Jackson" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > Sorry Brian, I was not trying to flame you directly. What I meant to > convey is that everyone is entitled to do what they want, but trying to > convince me to spend $2K or $75 on a power cord is just not going to > make it. You are perfectly free to do so. I thought I was agreeing that > there is possibly a difference and saying that it was not a difference I > would ever invest in. > > Yes, when I "let my ears decide" my ears may tell me that there is a > difference. I can guarantee that my brain will override and keep the > wallet in the pocket. > > Why do I need to be excided to disagree about the way I choose to spend > my money? I am just chiming in as a member of that other community. > > Tim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Brian Miller > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Sheesh Tim, > > Why you getting so excited?? I am not independantly wealthy either nor > would I advocate 2K for a power cord and 20K for speaker cables. I paid > $75, if I remember correctly, for a used 6' AC-2 and the other I > purchased > new for $153 (8'), a far cry from 2K! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Timothy H. Jackson" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:18 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > > > I guess I am just not the audiophile that others are here (or as > > independently wealthy). Yes, I believe that there is a difference > using > > $2K power cords and $20K speaker cables. Do I think that even if I > had > > the money I would spend it that way. No way in hell. > > > > I try to make a moderate output of money equal pleasure to my ears. > > > > Tim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > > Of Brian Miller > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 5:44 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > > > Anyone that has spent some time on an audio forum knows that cable > talk > > evokes the most arguements. > > > > Jim has given plently of good information. > > > > In years past I have simply chosen to ignore power cords as this hobby > > is > > expensive enough and I had other areas I was wanting to improve in my > > system > > besides getting into power cords. I recenlty picked up a LAT AC-2 > power > > cord that Stephen recommends for an amp I was using and both my wife > and > > I > > were simply amazed at the difference it made over a cheaper power > cord. > > > > I then purchased another one for my CD player and I find the > difference > > to > > ve very slight, hardly noticeable. I believe that some brands may > > perform > > better than others on different products. (I should note that when I > > compared it on my CD player, I am not sure it was fukky broken in, I > > shoud > > compare again at some time.) > > > > As Jim has said, don't knock in until you have tried it. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > > --========= > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Apr 3 21:50:29 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 14:50:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <000501c1db3b$e67fc090$217ba8c0@henry> <3CAB57F4.131D677D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01c601c1db48$cef78220$a1021fac@brianm> > To all on Naktalk: > > For what's worth, I am glad that we can debate civilly amongst ourselves here on > Naktalk. If this were rec.audio.opinion or the Audio Asylum, all hell would have broken > loose already, complete with insults and abuse. Thanks for making this such an > enjoyable place to trade information. > > Cheers! > > Jim So true and well said!!!!!!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Apr 3 22:23:29 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 15:23:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] XM Radio Message-ID: <01ef01c1db4d$6c6704a0$a1021fac@brianm> Has anyone compared the XM Radio receivers on the market to compare if one is better than the other? (Home receivers only, not auto.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 4 04:10:33 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:10:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> Jim Volpatti wrote: > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > distributor and the store. Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank you. I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking in interconnects -- all in the imagination. -- Ron > > > Jim > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > > rundown: > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > > cable? > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > > being connected. > > > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Apr 4 04:31:23 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 18:31:23 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> Thanks for attacking me and everyone else here who hears and appreciates the improvement that a quality after market power cable can make, Ron. Those who are not open to hearing a difference, never will. Based on your closed minded attitude, I bet you've never even tried an after market cable, yet you attack others who have tried and heard an improvement. Lets just agree to disagree. Again. Jim ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > distributor and the store. > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > you. > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 4 04:35:11 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:35:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <01C1DB13.E8E3F680.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3CABBBDF.D9C13EA9@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > Mike > I built several cables following a design given by NZ/Aussie valve guru > Allen Wright (www.vacuumstate.com) in his cables cookbook. These used very > thick diameter solid core wire, indeed they were so thick that I had to use > garden hose as an outer insulation shield before putting on the (XXXL) > braid. I even rewired my distribution board. Unfortunately, there was no > audible change, but what the heck, I enjoy doing this sort of thing anyway. > I also have a Russ Andrews/Kimber power cord that makes no difference. > > On the other hand, magazines and enthusiasts claim that the design of the > mains cabling makes a big difference to the sound. Read about Ken Kessler's > listening room, wired with four, yes, count them, *four* different types of > mains cable in Hi-Fi News! And, the summit of audiophile bliss, only Ken > knows which socket is wired with which cable! Can you imagine the fun that > visitors to Kens must have? (Sorry KK if you ever should read this - you > are never afraid to stick you neck out, and that is admirable.) > > So, to my questions for all you Nak fans: > 1. Do any of you feel strongly on this subject (apart from Ron, of course > :))? I have no strong feeling about the subject -- just some knowledge of electricity and electronics, that anyone at all can acquire in just a few years of university studies... Personally, I had a some very serious power line problems in my listening room. When the refrigerator kicked in, the TV screen dimmed for several seconds, When the A/C in the listening room started, the ReVox turntable quit playing, and so forth. As part of the room renovation, I completely replaced the electrical wiring in the room and wired a totally separate circuit -- complete with its own circuit breaker -- for the A/V system. This completely and totally solved the problems. I don't believe there was *any* sonic improvement whatsoever, but, of course, I did not conduct an A-B comparison. Cost of this exercise was minimal (far less than an esoteric line cord), but that's because I did the job myself and only paid for materials. I used metal shrouded 12AWG wire and all-metal boxes. I replaced absolutely everything electrical in the room (lighting included) . An electrician wanted $1400 for the job, but when he heard I wanted shrouded cable, he said he'd need to think it over, left and never came back (working with shrouded cables is very time consuming. The job took about 40 working hours). One last word about 'medical grade'. This does *nothing* for cable characteristics, only to safety. I can understand why it is important to patient connected equipment, but (except for sucker appeal) what is the purpose for an A/V system? > I would like to hear if anyone has experienced mains cables improving > their sound. > 2. If all the cable does is reject radio-frequency interference (and I > can't think what else it might need to do) then why not just put a simple > mains filter on the equipment end of the cable? There is nothing particularly noise rejecting about esoteric cables. Any reasonable piece of equipment does have noise filtering on the power line. -- Ron > > > Over to you guys. > > John Walker (part-time agent provocateur: taking a break from stripping > wood and digging the garden) > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > PS: would any of you like to buy me a VacuumState pre-amp kit for > Christmas? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike deVera [SMTP:mdevera at compuserve.com] > Sent: Wednesday, 03 April, 2002 08:46 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > rundown: > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > quality WBT Silver Solder. > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the > details > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality > hardware > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > cable? > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > being connected. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 9:40 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Power line noise comes not only from the power company, your neighbors > and the other > appliances in your home, but more significantly, from the very > components in your > system. The AC wiring in your home or in your components does nothing to > reduce this > noise. A good quality power cable can make a significant improvement in > this regard. > > Although I am not a metallurgist (if I remember correctly, there is one > amongst us) a > quality Edison and IEC connector can improve the conductivity of the > overall cable by > improving the plating and soldering process. Lead and carbon are > believed to inhibit > electron flow and Shunyata Research goes out of their way to use > materials > that contain as little of it as possible. Their preferred materials are > high purity > copper, silver, rhodium and gold. > > Regarding the cost of a quality power cable (or any other audio > product), I prefer to > judge it on its performance, not the cost of the parts to manufacture > it. The > manufacturer has to include all of his overhead (payroll, R & D, > manufacturing, > materials, advertising, lease, utilities, tax, etc, etc) and add a bit > for profit, when > setting a wholesale and retail price. In between are the distributor and > the dealer, > with their associated expenses. Besides, any manufacturer that > overcharges for their product > leaves themselves vulnerable to their competition, who can charge less > and gain market > share. > > I would not shame power cable manufacturer's until I tried a great one > in my system. I did not > truly believe in power line products until I tried Shunyata Research. > Their $340 Sidewinder > Gold cable, used on my amplifier, made more an improvement than > upgrading my preamp, > CD player or any of the other cables. > > Jim > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Apr 4 06:47:39 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 20:47:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> Message-ID: Hi, As an electrical engineer by education, the topic of the effect power cords have on sound quality interests me. I know that some of you have made comments that even though there is no scientific basis for the results, your ears tell you that better power cords make your hi-fi equipment sound better. I would like to try to understand why this is. Take a home computer, for example. A typical home computer these days operates at about 700Mhz-1Ghz with a relatively inexpensive power cord. The power supplies in most computers aren't the greatest. Modern computers use high-speed silicon chips and very small voltage tolerances (often as little as 1.2V DC to indicate a 1). It seems to me that a modern computer could benefit from one of these fancy cables that you all talk about. But the truth is, they aren't necessary! I've worked with computers that stay up for months and years with cheap power cables. I've seen computers that stay on (without crashing) through brownouts and do not experience glitches even at 1Ghz speeds. What I understand about better cables is that they are often better shielded and offer reduced resistance. A higher-quality cable will pass interference generated before the cable even more transparently than an inexpensive cable. I will concede that a better cable will reduce EM interference from other electronic devices. However... So to move back to that hi-fi equipment. In a power supply, there's transformers, rectifier diode configurations, large capacitors and other line filter circuits. How is the relatively insignificant EM interference that gets into the power signal going to make it into the DC world? When you're stepping down 120V to the voltages used in the various circuits in a modern receiver, CD player, or tape deck and the power supply is of high quality I can't see that there would be any difference at all. I can see that there could be a difference between high-quality RCA interconnect cables having as low of resistance as possible and being shielded properly. I can see that there could be some debate versus the quality of coax digital cables and optical cables. But power cables? Why don't we just use equipment with better-quality power supplies and save your $100, $1000, or $20,000 on a power cable. Erik. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, ron wrote: > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > distributor and the store. > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > you. > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > > > rundown: > > > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > > > cable? > > > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > > > being connected. > > > > > > Mike > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer ELC Technologies 1532 State Street Suite C Santa Barbara, CA 93101 elotspeich at elctech.com (805) 884.8300 phn (805) 884.8339 fax http://www.elctech.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended for the named recipient(s) only. It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, forward, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Apr 4 07:06:50 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 21:06:50 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: Message-ID: <3CABDF6A.5D028FE9@earthlink.net> Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and listening with your ears, not your head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you have the satisfaction of knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the cables based purely on electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive studies done that show an exact correlation between how a system or component measures and how it sounds. Jim Erik Lotspeich wrote: > Hi, > > As an electrical engineer by education, the topic of the effect power > cords have on sound quality interests me. > > I know that some of you have made comments that even though there is no > scientific basis for the results, your ears tell you that better power > cords make your hi-fi equipment sound better. I would like to try to > understand why this is. > > Take a home computer, for example. A typical home computer these days > operates at about 700Mhz-1Ghz with a relatively inexpensive power cord. > The power supplies in most computers aren't the greatest. Modern > computers use high-speed silicon chips and very small voltage tolerances > (often as little as 1.2V DC to indicate a 1). It seems to me that a > modern computer could benefit from one of these fancy cables that you all > talk about. But the truth is, they aren't necessary! I've worked with > computers that stay up for months and years with cheap power cables. > I've seen computers that stay on (without crashing) through brownouts and > do not experience glitches even at 1Ghz speeds. > > What I understand about better cables is that they are often better > shielded and offer reduced resistance. A higher-quality cable will pass > interference generated before the cable even more transparently than an > inexpensive cable. I will concede that a better cable will reduce EM > interference from other electronic devices. However... > > So to move back to that hi-fi equipment. In a power supply, there's > transformers, rectifier diode configurations, large capacitors and other > line filter circuits. How is the relatively insignificant EM interference > that gets into the power signal going to make it into the DC world? When > you're stepping down 120V to the voltages used in the various circuits in > a modern receiver, CD player, or tape deck and the power supply is of high > quality I can't see that there would be any difference at all. > > I can see that there could be a difference between high-quality RCA > interconnect cables having as low of resistance as possible and being > shielded properly. I can see that there could be some debate versus the > quality of coax digital cables and optical cables. But power cables? > Why don't we just use equipment with better-quality power supplies and > save your $100, $1000, or $20,000 on a power cable. > > Erik. > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > > distributor and the store. > > > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > > you. > > > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > > > > rundown: > > > > > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > > > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > > > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > > > > cable? > > > > > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > > > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > > > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > > > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > > > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > > > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > > > > being connected. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > -- > Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > ELC Technologies > 1532 State Street Suite C > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > elotspeich at elctech.com > > (805) 884.8300 phn > (805) 884.8339 fax > > http://www.elctech.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Apr 4 07:29:41 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 21:29:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <3CABDF6A.5D028FE9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Jim, My point is that I'm trying to understand _why_. I believe you and your empirical experience. I would like to see some engineering principles that would justify that experience. What about a surge supressor/power-line filter? It would seem to me like one of those creatures would have a greater effect on cleaning up the dirty AC singnal that comes into your house before it goes into your electronics than an ultra-transparent power cable. Erik. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and listening with your ears, not your > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you have the satisfaction of > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the cables based purely on > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive studies done that show an exact > correlation between how a system or component measures and how it sounds. > > Jim > > > > > Erik Lotspeich wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > As an electrical engineer by education, the topic of the effect power > > cords have on sound quality interests me. > > > > I know that some of you have made comments that even though there is no > > scientific basis for the results, your ears tell you that better power > > cords make your hi-fi equipment sound better. I would like to try to > > understand why this is. > > > > Take a home computer, for example. A typical home computer these days > > operates at about 700Mhz-1Ghz with a relatively inexpensive power cord. > > The power supplies in most computers aren't the greatest. Modern > > computers use high-speed silicon chips and very small voltage tolerances > > (often as little as 1.2V DC to indicate a 1). It seems to me that a > > modern computer could benefit from one of these fancy cables that you all > > talk about. But the truth is, they aren't necessary! I've worked with > > computers that stay up for months and years with cheap power cables. > > I've seen computers that stay on (without crashing) through brownouts and > > do not experience glitches even at 1Ghz speeds. > > > > What I understand about better cables is that they are often better > > shielded and offer reduced resistance. A higher-quality cable will pass > > interference generated before the cable even more transparently than an > > inexpensive cable. I will concede that a better cable will reduce EM > > interference from other electronic devices. However... > > > > So to move back to that hi-fi equipment. In a power supply, there's > > transformers, rectifier diode configurations, large capacitors and other > > line filter circuits. How is the relatively insignificant EM interference > > that gets into the power signal going to make it into the DC world? When > > you're stepping down 120V to the voltages used in the various circuits in > > a modern receiver, CD player, or tape deck and the power supply is of high > > quality I can't see that there would be any difference at all. > > > > I can see that there could be a difference between high-quality RCA > > interconnect cables having as low of resistance as possible and being > > shielded properly. I can see that there could be some debate versus the > > quality of coax digital cables and optical cables. But power cables? > > Why don't we just use equipment with better-quality power supplies and > > save your $100, $1000, or $20,000 on a power cable. > > > > Erik. > > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > > > distributor and the store. > > > > > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > > > you. > > > > > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > > > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > > > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > > > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > > > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > > > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > > > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > > > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > > > > > rundown: > > > > > > > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > > > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > > > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > > > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > > > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > > > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > > > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > > > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > > > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > > > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > > > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > > > > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > > > > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > > > > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > > > > > cable? > > > > > > > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > > > > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > > > > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > > > > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > > > > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > > > > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > > > > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > > > > > being connected. > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > -- > > Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > ELC Technologies > > 1532 State Street Suite C > > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > elotspeich at elctech.com > > > > (805) 884.8300 phn > > (805) 884.8339 fax > > > > http://www.elctech.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > > for the named recipient(s) only. 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It may contain privileged and confidential information. If you are not an intended recipient, you must not copy, forward, distribute or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please notify the sender immediately. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Thu Apr 4 08:03:17 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 01:03:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and > listening with your ears, not your > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you > have the satisfaction of > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the > cables based purely on > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive > studies done that show an exact > > correlation between how a system or component measures and how > it sounds. > > > > Jim > > There have been MANY studies of the audibility threshold of the various audio electrical measurements. Any product which sounds different by changing out a reasonably heavy gauge power cord for an "audiophile" cord is unstable and poorly designed IMHO. A good power supply design doesnt need a fancy cord, it just needs RAW power and then buffers that RAW power into a super clean DC for the audio stages. JCO ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Thu Apr 4 08:15:23 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul CONT) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:15:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B8771583F5@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> JC, the problem with your theory is that the audio industry can't turn that into an insane profit margin. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:hifisapi at gate.net] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:03 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and > listening with your ears, not your > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you > have the satisfaction of > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the > cables based purely on > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive > studies done that show an exact > > correlation between how a system or component measures and how > it sounds. > > > > Jim > > There have been MANY studies of the audibility threshold of the various audio electrical measurements. Any product which sounds different by changing out a reasonably heavy gauge power cord for an "audiophile" cord is unstable and poorly designed IMHO. A good power supply design doesnt need a fancy cord, it just needs RAW power and then buffers that RAW power into a super clean DC for the audio stages. JCO ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Apr 4 08:51:03 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 22:51:03 -0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: Message-ID: <3CABF7D6.5B82F7C7@earthlink.net> JCO, I am not talking about studies that confirm the efficacy of individual measurements vis a vis perceived sound. I am talking about the measurements' ability to accurately predict exactly what we perceive in total. Using pink noise, square waves, sign waves etc to measure a system that produces an infinitely complex music signals is bad science in my opinion. Unfortunately, these test signals are the best that science currently has to offer for objective measurements. There is no exact correlation between objective and subjective tests. Until there is, I will trust my ears first, measurements second. After all, it is how my system sounds that is most important to me. Jim Volpatti "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and > > listening with your ears, not your > > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you > > have the satisfaction of > > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the > > cables based purely on > > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive > > studies done that show an exact > > > correlation between how a system or component measures and how > > it sounds. > > > > > > Jim > > > > There have been MANY studies of the audibility threshold of > the various audio electrical measurements. Any product which > sounds different by changing out a reasonably heavy gauge > power cord for an "audiophile" cord is unstable and poorly > designed IMHO. A good power supply design doesnt need a fancy > cord, it just needs RAW power and then buffers that RAW power > into a super clean DC for the audio stages. > JCO > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Apr 4 09:04:15 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:04:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Message-ID: <01C1DBB1.A6AC7960.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I pushed this one onto the steep part of the slope, and then got out of the way, so to speak. This debate has raised a few questions, so time for me to step back into harm's way. (Again, so to speak. This has been a good debate, but let's keep it impersonal!) 1. My own experience says that Ron is right, and that we should start 'sensible', conventional solutions to providing a clean supply. However, a USD100 or higher price cable could prove cost effective against 40 hours of Ron's time. 2. I feel that someone, somewhere needs to do the comparison that Erik mentions below: an A/B/C comparison between three systems, one with a totally standard supply, one with 'snake oil and magic' :) mains cables, and one with shielded cables and filtering. 3. We cannot expect manufacturers and vendors to do such a test on our behalf. They have a product to sell, after all. Neither can the magazines, unfortunately, because they depend on the m's and v's for advertising revenue. I guess that that leaves us.... 4. My own experience says that interconnect and speaker cables can make a difference. This is where I depart from Ron and Erik, because I believe that we objective scientists don't have a quantitative understanding of what the human brain is looking for in an acoustic signal. Flat frequency response, 0.00001% distortion? These are parameters that engineers can measure easily, but that the ear can tolerate substantial variations in. Why else are valves (tubes) and analogue cassettes still popular? 5. One common 'quick win' which might help in selling cables is that the very act of pulling out and re-making connections can improve sound. Naim Audio have pushed this idea for years, using the explanation that it affects the layer of oxide between plug and socket, and which leads to a slightly diodic connection. Sounds plausible to me. Has (can) anyone measure this effect? 6. At the end of the day, a lot of people buy on appearance and perceived value. We must expect hand-assembled, low volume cables to be much, much more expensive than mass-produced items. I actually enjoy making up lengths to different designs and seeing if I can tell a difference. (I need 11 mains leads for my system, all different lengths - so making them up makes sense.) 7. I recently put some expensive capacitors into my power-amps, and they definitely made a difference after a couple of days run-in. It seems that, from some of the discussions, cables also have to be burnt-in. Are there any views out there on burn-in (quick - back down behind the parapet, you fool, they can see you!) Once a cable or cap is burnt in, does it stay that way? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Erik Lotspeich [SMTP:erikvcl at silcom.com] Sent: Thursday, 04 April, 2002 06:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Jim, My point is that I'm trying to understand _why_. I believe you and your empirical experience. I would like to see some engineering principles that would justify that experience. What about a surge supressor/power-line filter? It would seem to me like one of those creatures would have a greater effect on cleaning up the dirty AC singnal that comes into your house before it goes into your electronics than an ultra-transparent power cable. Erik. On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and listening with your ears, not your > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you have the satisfaction of > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the cables based purely on > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive studies done that show an exact > correlation between how a system or component measures and how it sounds. > > Jim > > > > > Erik Lotspeich wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > As an electrical engineer by education, the topic of the effect power > > cords have on sound quality interests me. > > > > I know that some of you have made comments that even though there is no > > scientific basis for the results, your ears tell you that better power > > cords make your hi-fi equipment sound better. I would like to try to > > understand why this is. > > > > Take a home computer, for example. A typical home computer these days > > operates at about 700Mhz-1Ghz with a relatively inexpensive power cord. > > The power supplies in most computers aren't the greatest. Modern > > computers use high-speed silicon chips and very small voltage tolerances > > (often as little as 1.2V DC to indicate a 1). It seems to me that a > > modern computer could benefit from one of these fancy cables that you all > > talk about. But the truth is, they aren't necessary! I've worked with > > computers that stay up for months and years with cheap power cables. > > I've seen computers that stay on (without crashing) through brownouts and > > do not experience glitches even at 1Ghz speeds. > > > > What I understand about better cables is that they are often better > > shielded and offer reduced resistance. A higher-quality cable will pass > > interference generated before the cable even more transparently than an > > inexpensive cable. I will concede that a better cable will reduce EM > > interference from other electronic devices. However... > > > > So to move back to that hi-fi equipment. In a power supply, there's > > transformers, rectifier diode configurations, large capacitors and other > > line filter circuits. How is the relatively insignificant EM interference > > that gets into the power signal going to make it into the DC world? When > > you're stepping down 120V to the voltages used in the various circuits in > > a modern receiver, CD player, or tape deck and the power supply is of high > > quality I can't see that there would be any difference at all. > > > > I can see that there could be a difference between high-quality RCA > > interconnect cables having as low of resistance as possible and being > > shielded properly. I can see that there could be some debate versus the > > quality of coax digital cables and optical cables. But power cables? > > Why don't we just use equipment with better-quality power supplies and > > save your $100, $1000, or $20,000 on a power cable. > > > > Erik. > > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, ron wrote: > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > > > distributor and the store. > > > > > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > > > you. > > > > > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > > > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > > > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > > > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > > > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > > > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > > > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > > > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the material > > > > > rundown: > > > > > > > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > > > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > > > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > > > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > > > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > > > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > > > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > > > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > > > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > > > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > > > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > > > > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but the details > > > > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure quality hardware > > > > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a quality > > > > > cable? > > > > > > > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of some of > > > > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem to cover > > > > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > > > > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed above > > > > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than $2000, and > > > > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and speaker > > > > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components that's > > > > > being connected. > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > > > > -- > > Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > ELC Technologies > > 1532 State Street Suite C > > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > elotspeich at elctech.com > > > > (805) 884.8300 phn > > (805) 884.8339 fax > > > > http://www.elctech.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > > for the named recipient(s) only. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Apr 4 09:40:34 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 08:40:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Message-ID: <01C1DBB4.6669F1E0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Hear, hear Jim - I think that you are right (except that music signals can't be 'infinitely complex'). How on earth does one measure, and characterise, the way that a music system reproduces a bass drum? Conventional measurements will not work, because the characteristic of such a signal (amplitude, harmonic structure) changes very rapidly with time - this is where 'standard' measurements (distortion of a steady-state sine wave?) offer zero insight. In fact, I believe that such 'measurements' were probably pushed by the amplifier manufacturers as a way of selling this year's 'improved' model! I am sure that our ears are attuned to transient signals, like the snapping of twigs in the jungle, or the soft, regular breathing of a nearby predator, not the continuous pure tone put out by a pile of electronics! Now, all digital theory and design is based on the Fourier transform, which requires that the signal characteristics must be stationary over the period used to apply the transform. Is this why digital does not sound right, at least to my ears? Notwithstanding any of the above, I remain agnostic about mains cables - please see my earlier post. My experiments shall continue! John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, 04 April, 2002 07:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord << File: ATT00000.htm >> JCO, I am not talking about studies that confirm the efficacy of individual measurements vis a vis perceived sound. I am talking about the measurements' ability to accurately predict exactly what we perceive in total. Using pink noise, square waves, sign waves etc to measure a system that produces an infinitely complex music signals is bad science in my opinion. Unfortunately, these test signals are the best that science currently has to offer for objective measurements. There is no exact correlation between objective and subjective tests. Until there is, I will trust my ears first, measurements second. After all, it is how my system sounds that is most important to me. Jim Volpatti "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and > > listening with your ears, not your > > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you > > have the satisfaction of > > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the > > cables based purely on > > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive > > studies done that show an exact > > > correlation between how a system or component measures and how > > it sounds. > > > > > > Jim > > > > There have been MANY studies of the audibility threshold of > the various audio electrical measurements. Any product which > sounds different by changing out a reasonably heavy gauge > power cord for an "audiophile" cord is unstable and poorly > designed IMHO. A good power supply design doesnt need a fancy > cord, it just needs RAW power and then buffers that RAW power > into a super clean DC for the audio stages. > JCO > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 4 19:05:58 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:05:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <01C1DBB1.A6AC7960.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <015c01c1dbfa$fe9a0c20$953442cf@sank1> It is certainly difficult to explain how a few feet of nice cable, plugged into an outlet fed by many, many feet of low-grade, solid-core copper "romex" cable, can make a difference in the sound of a well-designed piece, but I must say that I am absolutely in the "oh my god, what a difference that made" crowd. To a great extent, I must logically believe that the high-grade cable is actually acting as a high frequency filter, blocking HF & RF noise from the line. To a lesser extent, I am sure it also has to do with efficiency of current delivery, since my experience usually shows that higher drain gear is affected more by power cable quality than low drain gear. However, the first logical assumption is not born out by experience, since my favorite power cable, the LAT AC-2, has negligible HF filtering effects from parallel capacitance & series inductance, and is merely an extremely high grade materials(silver-bonded, 8N copper, 10AWG, PTFE teflon ins.), shielded, twisted pair cable. And the second assumtion is only partially born out, as many times, the low-drain front end equipment, e.g., preamp, dac, are effected far more than the power amps in a system. But this is much more easily explained than the previous paragraph, since the low audio signal levels handled by such units make the sound more sensitive to power line artifacts. The statement that effectively stated that a unit affected by power cable quality has a badly designed power supply is POSITIVELY not born out by my experience, as even units with the most extravagantly designed & constructed power supplies, such as one I am building right now for a radical-rebuild Moscode Minuet preamp, are affected by the mains cable, albeit to a lesser extent than units with lesser supplies. What I have concluded from my experience is that common mode EMI/RFI is a very large factor in the equation, since using balanced power, either 120-0-120 240V mains, or 60-0-60 120V "adapted" mains, makes the power cable quality a HUGELY smaller factor. So much so, that I'm *almost* not compelled even to spend $100 or so(even of a client's money!) on the LAT AC-2 cable when balanced power will be used. With regard to 60-0-60 balanced 120V power, I'd like to add a warning about commercially available "power balancing" units- When you plug one of these into an unbalanced 120V outlet, you have nearly ZERO benefit of common-mode noise rejection, as only the last few feet of the literally miles of power feed is balanced. Further, all of these that I have seen use isolation tranformers for balancing, which has the very negative effect of reducing transient energy delivery efficiency, making them terrible for all but the smallest power amps. These two factors are what cause me to build power balancers that operate from 240V mains, using single-winding autoformers to tap each 120V phase at 60V. As to the "Pandora's box" topic of "break-in", I can't say that I have heard break-in effects with power cables, but I certainly have on all other cables. The easiest demo that anyone can do is to select a pair of very well-used interconnects in your system & reverse the direction of just one channel. Assuming the cables aren't total crap, you will most certainly hear an image shift toward one channel. With a digital interconnect, it can be an even more pronounced "weirdness" to the sound when a well-used one is reversed. As for the physics of break-in, I really haven't developed a plausible theory as yet. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > I pushed this one onto the steep part of the slope, and then got out of the > way, so to speak. This debate has raised a few questions, so time for me to > step back into harm's way. (Again, so to speak. This has been a good > debate, but let's keep it impersonal!) > 1. My own experience says that Ron is right, and that we should start > 'sensible', conventional solutions to providing a clean supply. However, a > USD100 or higher price cable could prove cost effective against 40 hours of > Ron's time. > 2. I feel that someone, somewhere needs to do the comparison that Erik > mentions below: an A/B/C comparison between three systems, one with a > totally standard supply, one with 'snake oil and magic' :) mains cables, > and one with shielded cables and filtering. > 3. We cannot expect manufacturers and vendors to do such a test on our > behalf. They have a product to sell, after all. Neither can the magazines, > unfortunately, because they depend on the m's and v's for advertising > revenue. I guess that that leaves us.... > 4. My own experience says that interconnect and speaker cables can make a > difference. This is where I depart from Ron and Erik, because I believe > that we objective scientists don't have a quantitative understanding of > what the human brain is looking for in an acoustic signal. Flat frequency > response, 0.00001% distortion? These are parameters that engineers can > measure easily, but that the ear can tolerate substantial variations in. > Why else are valves (tubes) and analogue cassettes still popular? > 5. One common 'quick win' which might help in selling cables is that the > very act of pulling out and re-making connections can improve sound. Naim > Audio have pushed this idea for years, using the explanation that it > affects the layer of oxide between plug and socket, and which leads to a > slightly diodic connection. Sounds plausible to me. Has (can) anyone > measure this effect? > 6. At the end of the day, a lot of people buy on appearance and perceived > value. We must expect hand-assembled, low volume cables to be much, much > more expensive than mass-produced items. I actually enjoy making up lengths > to different designs and seeing if I can tell a difference. (I need 11 > mains leads for my system, all different lengths - so making them up makes > sense.) > 7. I recently put some expensive capacitors into my power-amps, and they > definitely made a difference after a couple of days run-in. It seems that, > from some of the discussions, cables also have to be burnt-in. Are there > any views out there on burn-in (quick - back down behind the parapet, you > fool, they can see you!) Once a cable or cap is burnt in, does it stay that > way? > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu Apr 4 19:29:50 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 19:29:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] power cord In-Reply-To: <200204040816.KAA00435@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Me too, I would like to understand why there is an audible difference between cables . I cannot see what the cable itself can change in the signal, but I'm quite sure that a connector can make a difference, and I think that this should even be measurable . Has anyone of the specialists in this group ever tried what effect it has to use the same high quality connectors on both an "ordinary" cable and a high-end cable ? In the search for an explanation, I would suggest to think about a video signal too ... on a good TV, the influence of a bad cable (connector included) is easily visible (and I think visual differences are more apparent to most people than audible differences, at least when watching the TV in a technical way ... not watching the movie that's on but analysing the image) : less definition, less contrast, and shadows . And talking about shadows ... for the people in the computer business ... where I work, we use ADI 17" monitors, that have cables that usually are just an inch to short to get to the computer, so we have to use an extension cord . With the el cheapo extension cords, there almost always appear 3, 4 or more ghost images of the vertical lines ... when there's an "L" one sees several I's (vertical lines) next to it, and I think (I've never measured) that the distances are each time half of the distance of the precedent line (something like L I I I which could be some kind of harmonics problem . When changing for a better cable, the symptoms disappear immediately . Anyone has similar experiences ? Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 4 19:46:14 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 12:46:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> Jim Volpatti wrote: > Thanks for attacking me and everyone else here... No personal attack was intended or issued. Even if name calling was my style, this is not an issue I care enough about. > who hears and appreciates the improvement > that a quality after market power cable can make, Ron. I do not believe those that claim to hear an improvement, except where the power line system or the equipment are problematic to start with (statistically, highly unlikely). > Those who are not open to hearing a difference, never will. Exactly. It takes someone extremely 'open' to hearing a difference to actually hear it. Even when it doesn't exist. > Based on your closed minded attitude... Closed minded? Millions believe that $99.99 is appreciably less than $100. I don't believe that, either. Does this make me doubly closed minded? > ... I bet you've never even tried an after market cable.. You'd lose the bet. I actually attended several such tests (yes, there were people that "heard" a difference). But, maybe it wasn't a fair test -- I spent much of the time laughing my head off. > ... yet you attack others who have tried and heard an > improvement. I attack no one here, Jim. I do view esoteric cable manufacturers with contempt. They do know what this is about, yet continue to fleece customers. FYI, Belden makes a shielded high gauge IEC cable (for about $20) that couldn't conceivably be improved upon. > Lets just agree to disagree. Again. Sure. But I hope you don't mind if I express opinions contrary to yours. In no way do I hope to 'convert' you, personally, but there may be others here, who may be closed minded enough to accept technical explanations. Peace, -- Ron > > > Jim > > ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > > distributor and the store. > > > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > > you. > > > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From marcushemma at hotmail.com Thu Apr 4 19:50:28 2002 From: marcushemma at hotmail.com (=?Windows-1252?Q?Marcus_Ros=E9n?=) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:50:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] AC stabilisation Message-ID: Does anyone in the group experience from using the "magnetic resonance"-type of power line stabilisers for audio? These stabilise the AC voltage to 1% or so, absorbs transients and give backup for interupts for one 50/60Hz period. Contains no electronics, just a BIG transformer and capacitors. Marcus. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 4 20:00:25 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:00:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: Message-ID: <3CAC94B9.CAED9505@rcn.com> "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and > > listening with your ears, not your > > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you > > have the satisfaction of > > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the > > cables based purely on > > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive > > studies done that show an exact > > > correlation between how a system or component measures and how > > it sounds. > > > > > > Jim > > > > There have been MANY studies of the audibility threshold of > the various audio electrical measurements. Any product which > sounds different by changing out a reasonably heavy gauge > power cord for an "audiophile" cord is unstable and poorly > designed IMHO. A good power supply design doesnt need a fancy > cord, it just needs RAW power and then buffers that RAW power > into a super clean DC for the audio stages. Exactly correct. Except that of all A/V equipment equipment I have seen, I still have to see ONE that can be improved by changing the power cord. I suspect that if it existed, the design engineer would do it as a matter of course, or it would be caught in the MDR and corrected by Engineering Management. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Apr 4 20:03:31 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:03:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <007f01c1dc03$08065590$7b021fac@brianm> Jim, You will be wasting your time to respond!!! (Just a tip, heed it if you desire.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Thanks for attacking me and everyone else here... > > No personal attack was intended or issued. Even if name calling > was my style, this is not an issue I care enough about. > > > who hears and appreciates the improvement > > that a quality after market power cable can make, Ron. > > I do not believe those that claim to hear an improvement, except > where the power line system or the equipment are problematic > to start with (statistically, highly unlikely). > > > Those who are not open to hearing a difference, never will. > > Exactly. It takes someone extremely 'open' to hearing a difference > to actually hear it. Even when it doesn't exist. > > > Based on your closed minded attitude... > > Closed minded? Millions believe that $99.99 is appreciably less > than $100. I don't believe that, either. Does this make me doubly > closed minded? > > > ... I bet you've never even tried an after market cable.. > > You'd lose the bet. I actually attended several such tests (yes, there > were people that "heard" a difference). But, maybe it wasn't a fair > test -- I spent much of the time laughing my head off. > > > ... yet you attack others who have tried and heard an > > improvement. > > I attack no one here, Jim. I do view esoteric cable manufacturers > with contempt. They do know what this is about, yet continue to > fleece customers. > > FYI, Belden makes a shielded high gauge IEC cable (for about > $20) that couldn't conceivably be improved upon. > > > Lets just agree to disagree. Again. > > Sure. But I hope you don't mind if I express opinions contrary > to yours. In no way do I hope to 'convert' you, personally, but > there may be others here, who may be closed minded enough to > accept technical explanations. > > Peace, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of the parts but also > > > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, advertising, lease, > > > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the manufacturer, the > > > > distributor and the store. > > > > > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > > > you. > > > > > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > > > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > > > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > > > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > > > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > > > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, the > > > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > > > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 4 20:16:43 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:16:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <3CABF7D6.5B82F7C7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CAC988B.73C03F49@rcn.com> Jim Volpatti wrote: > JCO, > > I am not talking about studies that confirm the efficacy of > individual measurements vis a vis perceived sound. I am talking > about the measurements' ability to accurately predict exactly > what we perceive in total. Using pink noise, square waves, sign > waves etc to measure a system that produces an infinitely complex > music signals is bad science in my opinion. Jim, this is not an issue of opinion, but, rather, simple knowledge of physics. Anyone familiar with Systems Theory and Signals knows the principle of superposition. Without going into details: system behaviour with an impulse input *completly* characterizes system behaviour with *any* input signal (this is only true for linear susyems, but then, current A/V equipment is linear to within 99.99%). In addition, sine and square wave inputs is extremely meaningful for various tests. > Unfortunately, these test signals are the best that science > currently has to offer for objective measurements. That's true. Because subjective tests are filtered through our brain, that is affected by a multitude of factors that have nothing to do with sonic characteristics (such as price, prestige attached to manufacturer, equipment reviews and what the neighbor owns, to mention just a few). > There is no exact correlation between objective and subjective > tests. Until there is, I will trust my ears first, measurements > second. After all, it is how my system sounds that is most > important to me. I could argue with this. But, even if so, doesn't it make sense to run *proper* listening tests, that remove some of the spurious factors? I bet that all differences between power cables would disappear in such tests (in tests I attended, there was a general refusal to go for a double blind test). -- Ron > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "J. C. O'Connell" wrote: > >> >> > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: >> > >> > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and >> > listening with your ears, not your >> > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you >> >> > have the satisfaction of >> > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting >> the >> > cables based purely on >> > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive >> > studies done that show an exact >> > > correlation between how a system or component measures and >> how >> > it sounds. >> > > >> > > Jim >> > > >> There have been MANY studies of the audibility threshold of >> the various audio electrical measurements. Any product which >> sounds different by changing out a reasonably heavy gauge >> power cord for an "audiophile" cord is unstable and poorly >> designed IMHO. A good power supply design doesnt need a fancy >> cord, it just needs RAW power and then buffers that RAW power >> into a super clean DC for the audio stages. >> JCO >> >> === >> ====------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> Deck resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Apr 4 20:19:47 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:19:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive foot massager Message-ID: Well all this bickering, I mean discussion, has made me want to chill out with a G&T and listen to a bit of music (its my thing you know!). While cueing up a little light relief in the form of William Burroughs with the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprasy, I felt something wasn't quite right... What I realy need is a good foot spa - maybe its my age (I'm in my 3rd decade) but the music seemed to be washing over me as usual but missing my feet completely! Has anyone tried to combine the two pastimes and what did you think? Will Moth be bringing out a combined home assembly foot-spa/record cleaner and if so what does isopropyl do to your feet? Any favourite recipies for the solution? Yours confused Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 4 18:05:19 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 18:05:19 (GMT) Subject: [naktalk] RICHARD DANIELPOUR'S “AN AMERICAN REQUIEM” Message-ID: Kent Merideth has sent you this article from Mix Find this and other magazines at http://www.industryclick.com. Comments: Howdy all, Believe it, or not, I want to address something close to the topic of Nakamichi Tape Decks; the recording process. In the 11th paragraph of the attached article from MIX magazine, Keith O. Johnson, of Reference Recordings, refers to the RCA 44BX microphones as being too fragile. Seems to me Stephen mentioned the 44 series was not as fragile as most people think. Was that accomplished in the original design, later (DX) production, or something Stephen "adds" in his re-builds? I still get more enjoyment out of getting a good recording of live performances than listening to most "commercial" recordings. Have to admit it is a royal pain setting up the equipment, then taking it back down again, only to set it up again, then...yada, yada, yada. Kent ------------------------------------------------- RICHARD DANIELPOUR'S “AN AMERICAN REQUIEM” By Gary Eskow Mix, Apr 1, 2002 <div class="bodycontent"> <div class="block"> In the age of MP3, some may despair about the long-range prospects for high-end audiophile recordings, but their numbers do not include Tam Henderson or Keith O. Johnson. Partners in Reference Recordings (along with “marketing maven” Marcia Martin), the producer and engineer celebrated the label's 25th anniversary in 2001 by snaring their ninth Grammy nomination, and they are energetically planning for the future. Johnson, whose resume includes co-inventing the HDCD process, was a founding partner at Pacific Microsonics, the company now owned by Bill Gates that released this technology. As a rule, he prepares for a recording session by absorbing scores and any interpretations of a work he can get his hands on. But one of his most recent assignments — engineering American composer Richard Danielpour's expansive piece honoring the victims of the September 11th tragedy, <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> — required Johnson to make a recording of a work he'd only heard once, a day before the session. What was it like to record, in three sessions, an hour-long work he barely knew that was scored for 250 musicians, including orchestra, chorus and three vocal soloists? “Total panic!” says Johnson. “I like to get different slants on how a work is performed, and the sounds that people are going for. Then I have an idea of what I want to capture. We simply didn't have that luxury with the Danielpour piece. Fortunately, Richard's orchestration is exceptionally clean, and that makes the engineer's job much easier. Amateur composers tend to pile sounds on top of each other and let the recording engineer sort things out.” Commissioned by the Pacific Symphony Orchestra, <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> was the final work composed by Danielpour during a three-year residency with the Orange County, Calif., arts organization. It was premiered and recorded at the Orange County Performing Arts Center, a space that Johnson found quite challenging. “The hall has very little reverb tail. I had to make decisions on-the-fly regarding how much ambience and reverb to add during the recording. We wanted to capture everything live, if possible, in order to eliminate the sonic degradation that comes with the audio post process. Usually, a console doesn't have enough DSP to deal with the small pieces of information you want to preserve for high-end recordings.” Tracking to Tascam DA-98 HR, DA-88 and DA-38 recorders, Johnson utilized the bit-splitting capability of the DA-98 to record the stereo tracks at a resolution of 24 bits/176.4 kHz. A surround mix, captured simultaneously, was recorded at 24 bits/88.2 kHz. “We did end up running out of space on the DA-88 that was tracking the surround mix, and ended up capturing the surround field itself at 20 bits,” he says. “That's still a lot of information, and the idea is to get it all at once, if possible, and avoid having to go into post, where you're placing a burden on a console to handle all of the data that's on tape. “I brought a pair of Lexicon reverb units — a PCM90 and 224XL — to provide delays and part of the signal mix to drive self-amplified speakers placed in the hall. Reverberation devices — with the possible exception of the latest Sony unit [the 888] — yield less resolution and more noise side bands than the other equipment we are dealing with. You can hear these artifacts when their electrical signals or reverberation feeds are mixed, so, instead, directional speakers were positioned to drive the most reverberant parts of the hall I could find. Then I placed microphones in these active areas to supply the reverberation feed. A little microphone feedback was mixed back to the reverberation units to help sustain and brighten the effect, and help balance the hall ambience.” Johnson drove the hall with speakers to wet the sound, using a technique that traces back to the early London recordings on Decca. “We mix signals from ambience microphones that pick up both the sounds that naturally occur from that resonant space and the reflected sounds produced by the reverb speaker,” he explains. “In other words, the speaker, which I have constructed for this purpose, gets a mixture of reverb picked up by hall microphones, delayed feeds from instruments that do not couple or drive the space very well, solo singers and outputs from the reverberation units. “The ear expects to hear more hall sound as amplitude rises. Consequently, if you raise the gain on a singer's microphone to bring him forward, the listener expects more response from the hall, but that doesn't happen here. To compensate, I took some of the singer's signal, delayed it so that it lines up with the time frame of what the hall should sound like, and then mixed in some electronic reverb. We also blend in several reverberation mics from that area that are simply picking up some of the most reverberant sound in the hall. The result of this blend is an acceptable, though not world-class, reverberation effect.” Many engineers recording large classical ensembles use spot mics to capture individual instruments during the tracking process, and then handle balances in the mix. But because the Reference label's goal is to capture a performance as it happens, Johnson uses accent pairs instead of panned monaural spots. “We usually use cardioids or hyper-cardioids, but in stereo pairs. These mics have their own power suppliers and line amplifiers, which have equalization built in. They have different response curves than the more distant microphones. By properly adjusting these accent pairs, the listener hears the balance of an instrument as if it's further away than it really is from the mic, which gives a more natural sound. The pairs are arranged in time phase. That way, if an instrument is on the left of the sound field, we can arrange them so that they impart this effect. “Generally, we use old Sennheiser MKHs from the 1950s for both the main and accent pairs,” Johnson continues. “It's a classic mic, but it's extremely tricky to keep running. About half of my mics have diaphragms that are much thinner than the original issue; all have had the analog parts of the electronics replaced with direct-couple servo electronics. The original solid-state design is awkward and clumsy by today's standards. “We used Coles ribbons mics on all of the soloists. They're very similar to the RCA 44BXs in their ability to produce a very natural voice sound. The 44s are actually superior in this regard, but they're too fragile. Incidentally, the Coles are also probably the best mic for horns on the market. “We placed a pair of omni mics across the front of the orchestra, a center pair of cardioids on the winds, and another pair of cardioids quite high over the percussion. To capture the chorus, we used a pair of high-placed omnis plus a pair of cardioids in the center. For the 5-channel feed, we blended in a center mic, which was placed in front of the orchestra.” Johnson also designed and built the consoles used on this recording. “Three consoles were used on this project,” Johnson says. “One board creates the 2-channel CD mix. Another deals with the 5-channel mix, and a third handled the accent microphones; that board fed the other two. The only piece of electronics in the consoles is an active line drive, which takes the signals from these passive boards and boosts them so that they can be sent down a cable to the digital converters. We also used a little Mackie board for the reverberation signal. This board received signals from the other three consoles, mixed them and sent the signals to the speakers in the hall.” Dealing with the large forces that Danielpour wrote for did not present unusual problems for Johnson. “The microphones and line-drive amplifiers had been set up for this kind of work. The master gain is pretty much plus or minus 3 dB to achieve the right level. I've done enough recordings to know approximately where that level is going to be. I carefully listen in on the orchestra as it's tuning up. The most critical part for me was when the musicians were coming onstage and warming up. The only other time I had to get sound balances was when the orchestra and chorus were working some things out — maybe a five-minute period during which I made some trial fader moves and marked settings. The setup and recording times were very limited.” Despite the pressures that came with tracking this Danielpour work, Johnson is pleased with the results. So is conductor Carl St. Clair. “The sound balances and ambience that Reference Recordings created in our center is amazing,” he says. “There is a wide spectrum of color and detail, and a great breadth of sound. I was extremely impressed with the division of the instrumental groups, which seemed miraculous to me. In a concert situation, you're not making evaluations on these matters. You're simply passing through time with a piece. But making a record is different. You want a note-perfect performance, if possible, with emotion, and you want it captured with the most detail possible. All of us associated with the Pacific Symphony believe that <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> will join the canon of the great masses, and this recording will help establish it in the public's mind.” For Danielpour, whose works have largely been recorded on the Sony label, <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> represented his first foray into production. “Most of my records had Steve Epstein as producer,” he notes. “Fortunately, Tam Henderson is a first-class producer and gentleman. Tam gave me a great deal of latitude regarding re-recording sections if I heard something that wasn't quite right. I didn't think it would be possible to record this work in three, three-hour sessions, but we did. A great deal of the credit goes to Carl and Reference Recordings. Sonically, I was amazed at the results.” The Danielpour <em style="bold-underline">Requiem</em>, which was rush-released in January, is quickly making fans, including producer Tam Henderson. “This is an extremely effective piece of choral music. It's melodic, dramatic and very effective. I think it will become a repertoire item.” </div> <div class="block"> <hr/> <em style="italic">For more, go to</em> <a href="http://www.referencerecordings.com" target="_blank">www.referencerecordings.com</a>. </div> </div> Copyright 2002, PRIMEDIA Business Magazines & Media Inc. All rights reserved. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 4 20:41:21 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:41:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <01C1DBB1.A6AC7960.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3CAC9E51.C2DF69C@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > I pushed this one onto the steep part of the slope, and then got out of the > way, so to speak. This debate has raised a few questions, so time for me to > step back into harm's way. (Again, so to speak. This has been a good > debate, but let's keep it impersonal!) > 1. My own experience says that Ron is right, and that we should start > 'sensible', conventional solutions to providing a clean supply. However, a > USD100 or higher price cable could prove cost effective against 40 hours of > Ron's time. First, I would argue that $100 provide a point solution that may not be very effective. Second, $600 cable vendors will tell you that their $600 creations sound even better. Third, multiply $100 (or $600) by the number of line cords in a system and the cost looms much larger. Finally: as an engineer, I enjoy the idea of an electrically clean room (that *no* power cord can provide). What I did is a ridiculous > 2. I feel that someone, somewhere needs to do the comparison that Erik > mentions below: an A/B/C comparison between three systems, one with a > totally standard supply, one with 'snake oil and magic' :) mains cables, > and one with shielded cables and filtering. > 3. We cannot expect manufacturers and vendors to do such a test on our > behalf. They have a product to sell, after all. Neither can the magazines, > unfortunately, because they depend on the m's and v's for advertising > revenue. I guess that that leaves us.... > 4. My own experience says that interconnect and speaker cables can make a > difference. This is where I depart from Ron and Erik, because I believe > that we objective scientists don't have a quantitative understanding of > what the human brain is looking for in an acoustic signal. Flat frequency > response, 0.00001% distortion? These are parameters that engineers can > measure easily, but that the ear can tolerate substantial variations in. > Why else are valves (tubes) and analogue cassettes still popular? > 5. One common 'quick win' which might help in selling cables is that the > very act of pulling out and re-making connections can improve sound. As ridiculous as this sounds, my experience supports it. I, too, assumed an explanation similar to what you offer below. (I experienced this in speaker cables and thought the oxide layer increased resistance). It's certainly measurable, if that's what one wants to do. > Naim Audio have pushed this idea for years, using the explanation that it > affects the layer of oxide between plug and socket, and which leads to a > slightly diodic connection. Sounds plausible to me. Has (can) anyone > measure this effect? > 6. At the end of the day, a lot of people buy on appearance and perceived > value. We must expect hand-assembled, low volume cables to be much, much > more expensive than mass-produced items. I actually enjoy making up lengths > to different designs and seeing if I can tell a difference. (I need 11 > mains leads for my system, all different lengths - so making them up makes > sense.) > 7. I recently put some expensive capacitors into my power-amps, and they > definitely made a difference after a couple of days run-in. It seems that, > from some of the discussions, cables also have to be burnt-in. Are there > any views out there on burn-in (quick - back down behind the parapet, you > fool, they can see you!) Once a cable or cap is burnt in, does it stay that > way? AFAIK, there is no known burn-in effect on wire, though copper *will* change characteristics after mechanical stress. I have no idea whether this affects sonics (but will believe it if someone claims so). There is no burn in effect on capacitors, EXCEPT for electrolytics that will definitely improve (lower leakage, tan[delta] and ESR) with use and slowly deteriorate without it. -- Ron > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Lotspeich [SMTP:erikvcl at silcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, 04 April, 2002 06:30 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > Jim, > > My point is that I'm trying to understand _why_. I believe you and your > empirical experience. I would like to see some engineering principles > that would justify that experience. > > What about a surge supressor/power-line filter? It would seem to me like > one of those creatures would have a greater effect on cleaning up the > dirty AC singnal that comes into your house before it goes into your > electronics than an ultra-transparent power cable. > > Erik. > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > Again, I suggest trying a high quality power cable and listening with > your ears, not your > > head. If you can't hear a difference, fine. But at least you have the > satisfaction of > > knowing that you actually tried one, instead of discounting the cables > based purely on > > electrical facts. After all, there have been no conclusive studies done > that show an exact > > correlation between how a system or component measures and how it sounds. > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Erik Lotspeich wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > As an electrical engineer by education, the topic of the effect power > > > cords have on sound quality interests me. > > > > > > I know that some of you have made comments that even though there is no > > > scientific basis for the results, your ears tell you that better power > > > cords make your hi-fi equipment sound better. I would like to try to > > > understand why this is. > > > > > > Take a home computer, for example. A typical home computer these days > > > operates at about 700Mhz-1Ghz with a relatively inexpensive power cord. > > > The power supplies in most computers aren't the greatest. Modern > > > computers use high-speed silicon chips and very small voltage > tolerances > > > (often as little as 1.2V DC to indicate a 1). It seems to me that a > > > modern computer could benefit from one of these fancy cables that you > all > > > talk about. But the truth is, they aren't necessary! I've worked with > > > computers that stay up for months and years with cheap power cables. > > > I've seen computers that stay on (without crashing) through brownouts > and > > > do not experience glitches even at 1Ghz speeds. > > > > > > What I understand about better cables is that they are often better > > > shielded and offer reduced resistance. A higher-quality cable will > pass > > > interference generated before the cable even more transparently than an > > > inexpensive cable. I will concede that a better cable will reduce EM > > > interference from other electronic devices. However... > > > > > > So to move back to that hi-fi equipment. In a power supply, there's > > > transformers, rectifier diode configurations, large capacitors and > other > > > line filter circuits. How is the relatively insignificant EM > interference > > > that gets into the power signal going to make it into the DC world? > When > > > you're stepping down 120V to the voltages used in the various circuits > in > > > a modern receiver, CD player, or tape deck and the power supply is of > high > > > quality I can't see that there would be any difference at all. > > > > > > I can see that there could be a difference between high-quality RCA > > > interconnect cables having as low of resistance as possible and being > > > shielded properly. I can see that there could be some debate versus > the > > > quality of coax digital cables and optical cables. But power cables? > > > Why don't we just use equipment with better-quality power supplies and > > > save your $100, $1000, or $20,000 on a power cable. > > > > > > Erik. > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, ron wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > > > The retail price of any product not only has to cover the cost of > the parts but also > > > > > the entire overhead (payroll, R & D, manufacturing, materials, > advertising, lease, > > > > > utilities, taxes, insurance, etc, etc) of three businesses: the > manufacturer, the > > > > > distributor and the store. > > > > > > > > Which $4 commodity line cords manage to do quite nicely, thank > > > > you. > > > > > > > > I would like to state that only suckers can hear line cord related > > > > sonic improvement. However, this may not be true. In some cases, > > > > the house electrical system may have real problems, that a better > > > > line cord (or a line conditioner) may alleviate. In such cases, > > > > however, correcting such problems at the source is vastly > > > > superior in results and far, far, far cheaper. In all other cases, > the > > > > improvement is the same as green ink on CD edges or breaking > > > > in interconnects -- all in the imagination. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > Mike deVera wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There's an eBay seller who sells a "high-end" cable. Here is the > material > > > > > > rundown: > > > > > > > > > > > > Made with High quality Belden #19364 cable, 14awg, foil > > > > > > shielded with drain wire. Drain wire is grounded at the > > > > > > wall plug end for superior noise shielding. > > > > > > High Performance Eagle Hospital Grade plug > > > > > > with Clear Casing -- Looks very trick!!! > > > > > > Swiss made IEC Plug. The same one used by XLO > > > > > > and many other high end cord manufacturers. > > > > > > Internal connections Soldered with Audiophile > > > > > > quality WBT Silver Solder. > > > > > > Covered with Flame proof Expando braid and then > > > > > > strain relieved with 3M Heat Shrink on both ends. > > > > > > > > > > > > >From what your email suggests is not the sum total of parts, but > the details > > > > > > in the engineering of it. I would think if one does procure > quality hardware > > > > > > and assemble it (like the above inventory) - would this not be a > quality > > > > > > cable? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sonically, I perceived improvement, but the pricing structure of > some of > > > > > > these manufacturers (Electra-Glide and JPS comes to mind), seem > to cover > > > > > > much more than the R&D, payroll, etc .. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I'm off-base, I'm open to correction, but the materials listed > above > > > > > > assembled was only $50. I've seen AC cables sell for more than > $2000, and > > > > > > that would seem to be off-scale - likewise with interconnects and > speaker > > > > > > wire, when their retail prices exceeds even the audio components > that's > > > > > > being connected. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Erik Lotspeich | Lead Engineer > > > ELC Technologies > > > 1532 State Street Suite C > > > Santa Barbara, CA 93101 > > > elotspeich at elctech.com > > > > > > (805) 884.8300 phn > > > (805) 884.8339 fax > > > > > > http://www.elctech.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Privacy and Confidentiality Notice: > > > The information contained in this electronic mail message is intended > > > for the named recipient(s) only. 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John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: doctordeaf [SMTP:doctordeaf at nakedresource.com] Sent: Thursday, 04 April, 2002 19:20 To: Naktalk Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive foot massager Well all this bickering, I mean discussion, has made me want to chill out with a G&T and listen to a bit of music (its my thing you know!). While cueing up a little light relief in the form of William Burroughs with the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprasy, I felt something wasn't quite right... What I realy need is a good foot spa - maybe its my age (I'm in my 3rd decade) but the music seemed to be washing over me as usual but missing my feet completely! Has anyone tried to combine the two pastimes and what did you think? Will Moth be bringing out a combined home assembly foot-spa/record cleaner and if so what does isopropyl do to your feet? Any favourite recipies for the solution? Yours confused Jim ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 5 00:59:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:59:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RICHARD DANIELPOUR'S “AN AMERICAN REQUIEM” References: Message-ID: <002301c1dc2c$56f12300$063442cf@sank1> Even the original 1932 44-A is no more fragile than a Coles 4038. All that is required with most ribbon mics, and actually all RCA ribbon mics, is simply avoidance of strong air currents, whether that be wind, idiots blowing into it or carrying it around without adequate windscreening or a bag over it. And I'll also add that I am not at all in agreement with Keith's recording methods. I find the description of the particular session below completely appalling. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] RICHARD DANIELPOUR'S “AN AMERICAN REQUIEM” > Kent Merideth has sent you this article from Mix > Find this and other magazines at http://www.industryclick.com. > > > Comments: > Howdy all, > > Believe it, or not, I want to address something close to the topic of Nakamichi Tape Decks; the recording process. In the 11th paragraph of the attached article from MIX magazine, Keith O. Johnson, of Reference Recordings, refers to the RCA 44BX microphones as being too fragile. Seems to me Stephen mentioned the 44 series was not as fragile as most people think. Was that accomplished in the original design, later (DX) production, or something Stephen "adds" in his re-builds? I still get more enjoyment out of getting a good recording of live performances than listening to most "commercial" recordings. Have to admit it is a royal pain setting up the equipment, then taking it back down again, only to set it up again, then...yada, yada, yada. > > Kent > > ------------------------------------------------- > RICHARD DANIELPOUR'S “AN AMERICAN REQUIEM” > > By Gary Eskow > > Mix, Apr 1, 2002 > > <div class="bodycontent"> > <div class="block"> > In the age of MP3, some may despair about the long-range prospects for high-end audiophile recordings, but their numbers do not include Tam Henderson or Keith O. Johnson. Partners in Reference Recordings (along with “marketing maven” Marcia Martin), the producer and engineer celebrated the label's 25th anniversary in 2001 by snaring their ninth Grammy nomination, and they are energetically planning for the future. > Johnson, whose resume includes co-inventing the HDCD process, was a founding partner at Pacific Microsonics, the company now owned by Bill Gates that released this technology. As a rule, he prepares for a recording session by absorbing scores and any interpretations of a work he can get his hands on. But one of his most recent assignments — engineering American composer Richard Danielpour's expansive piece honoring the victims of the September 11th tragedy, <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> — required Johnson to make a recording of a work he'd only heard once, a day before the session. What was it like to record, in three sessions, an hour-long work he barely knew that was scored for 250 musicians, including orchestra, chorus and three vocal soloists? > “Total panic!” says Johnson. “I like to get different slants on how a work is performed, and the sounds that people are going for. Then I have an idea of what I want to capture. We simply didn't have that luxury with the Danielpour piece. Fortunately, Richard's orchestration is exceptionally clean, and that makes the engineer's job much easier. Amateur composers tend to pile sounds on top of each other and let the recording engineer sort things out.” > Commissioned by the Pacific Symphony Orchestra, <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> was the final work composed by Danielpour during a three-year residency with the Orange County, Calif., arts organization. It was premiered and recorded at the Orange County Performing Arts Center, a space that Johnson found quite challenging. “The hall has very little reverb tail. I had to make decisions on-the-fly regarding how much ambience and reverb to add during the recording. We wanted to capture everything live, if possible, in order to eliminate the sonic degradation that comes with the audio post process. Usually, a console doesn't have enough DSP to deal with the small pieces of information you want to preserve for high-end recordings.” > Tracking to Tascam DA-98 HR, DA-88 and DA-38 recorders, Johnson utilized the bit-splitting capability of the DA-98 to record the stereo tracks at a resolution of 24 bits/176.4 kHz. A surround mix, captured simultaneously, was recorded at 24 bits/88.2 kHz. “We did end up running out of space on the DA-88 that was tracking the surround mix, and ended up capturing the surround field itself at 20 bits,” he says. “That's still a lot of information, and the idea is to get it all at once, if possible, and avoid having to go into post, where you're placing a burden on a console to handle all of the data that's on tape. > “I brought a pair of Lexicon reverb units — a PCM90 and 224XL — to provide delays and part of the signal mix to drive self-amplified speakers placed in the hall. Reverberation devices — with the possible exception of the latest Sony unit [the 888] — yield less resolution and more noise side bands than the other equipment we are dealing with. You can hear these artifacts when their electrical signals or reverberation feeds are mixed, so, instead, directional speakers were positioned to drive the most reverberant parts of the hall I could find. Then I placed microphones in these active areas to supply the reverberation feed. A little microphone feedback was mixed back to the reverberation units to help sustain and brighten the effect, and help balance the hall ambience.” > Johnson drove the hall with speakers to wet the sound, using a technique that traces back to the early London recordings on Decca. “We mix signals from ambience microphones that pick up both the sounds that naturally occur from that resonant space and the reflected sounds produced by the reverb speaker,” he explains. “In other words, the speaker, which I have constructed for this purpose, gets a mixture of reverb picked up by hall microphones, delayed feeds from instruments that do not couple or drive the space very well, solo singers and outputs from the reverberation units. > “The ear expects to hear more hall sound as amplitude rises. Consequently, if you raise the gain on a singer's microphone to bring him forward, the listener expects more response from the hall, but that doesn't happen here. To compensate, I took some of the singer's signal, delayed it so that it lines up with the time frame of what the hall should sound like, and then mixed in some electronic reverb. We also blend in several reverberation mics from that area that are simply picking up some of the most reverberant sound in the hall. The result of this blend is an acceptable, though not world-class, reverberation effect.” > Many engineers recording large classical ensembles use spot mics to capture individual instruments during the tracking process, and then handle balances in the mix. But because the Reference label's goal is to capture a performance as it happens, Johnson uses accent pairs instead of panned monaural spots. “We usually use cardioids or hyper-cardioids, but in stereo pairs. These mics have their own power suppliers and line amplifiers, which have equalization built in. They have different response curves than the more distant microphones. By properly adjusting these accent pairs, the listener hears the balance of an instrument as if it's further away than it really is from the mic, which gives a more natural sound. The pairs are arranged in time phase. That way, if an instrument is on the left of the sound field, we can arrange them so that they impart this effect. > “Generally, we use old Sennheiser MKHs from the 1950s for both the main and accent pairs,” Johnson continues. “It's a classic mic, but it's extremely tricky to keep running. About half of my mics have diaphragms that are much thinner than the original issue; all have had the analog parts of the electronics replaced with direct-couple servo electronics. The original solid-state design is awkward and clumsy by today's standards. > “We used Coles ribbons mics on all of the soloists. They're very similar to the RCA 44BXs in their ability to produce a very natural voice sound. The 44s are actually superior in this regard, but they're too fragile. Incidentally, the Coles are also probably the best mic for horns on the market. > “We placed a pair of omni mics across the front of the orchestra, a center pair of cardioids on the winds, and another pair of cardioids quite high over the percussion. To capture the chorus, we used a pair of high-placed omnis plus a pair of cardioids in the center. For the 5-channel feed, we blended in a center mic, which was placed in front of the orchestra.” > Johnson also designed and built the consoles used on this recording. “Three consoles were used on this project,” Johnson says. “One board creates the 2-channel CD mix. Another deals with the 5-channel mix, and a third handled the accent microphones; that board fed the other two. The only piece of electronics in the consoles is an active line drive, which takes the signals from these passive boards and boosts them so that they can be sent down a cable to the digital converters. We also used a little Mackie board for the reverberation signal. This board received signals from the other three consoles, mixed them and sent the signals to the speakers in the hall.” > Dealing with the large forces that Danielpour wrote for did not present unusual problems for Johnson. “The microphones and line-drive amplifiers had been set up for this kind of work. The master gain is pretty much plus or minus 3 dB to achieve the right level. I've done enough recordings to know approximately where that level is going to be. I carefully listen in on the orchestra as it's tuning up. The most critical part for me was when the musicians were coming onstage and warming up. The only other time I had to get sound balances was when the orchestra and chorus were working some things out — maybe a five-minute period during which I made some trial fader moves and marked settings. The setup and recording times were very limited.” > Despite the pressures that came with tracking this Danielpour work, Johnson is pleased with the results. So is conductor Carl St. Clair. “The sound balances and ambience that Reference Recordings created in our center is amazing,” he says. “There is a wide spectrum of color and detail, and a great breadth of sound. I was extremely impressed with the division of the instrumental groups, which seemed miraculous to me. In a concert situation, you're not making evaluations on these matters. You're simply passing through time with a piece. But making a record is different. You want a note-perfect performance, if possible, with emotion, and you want it captured with the most detail possible. All of us associated with the Pacific Symphony believe that <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> will join the canon of the great masses, and this recording will help establish it in the public's mind.” > For Danielpour, whose works have largely been recorded on the Sony label, <em style="italic">An American Requiem</em> represented his first foray into production. “Most of my records had Steve Epstein as producer,” he notes. “Fortunately, Tam Henderson is a first-class producer and gentleman. Tam gave me a great deal of latitude regarding re-recording sections if I heard something that wasn't quite right. I didn't think it would be possible to record this work in three, three-hour sessions, but we did. A great deal of the credit goes to Carl and Reference Recordings. Sonically, I was amazed at the results.” > The Danielpour <em style="bold-underline">Requiem</em>, which was rush-released in January, is quickly making fans, including producer Tam Henderson. “This is an extremely effective piece of choral music. It's melodic, dramatic and very effective. I think it will become a repertoire item.” > </div> > <div class="block"> > <hr/> > <em style="italic">For more, go to</em> > <a href="http://www.referencerecordings.com" target="_blank">www.referencerecordings.com</a>. > </div> > </div> > > Copyright 2002, PRIMEDIA Business Magazines & Media Inc. All rights reserved. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Fri Apr 5 15:38:19 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:38:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> <007f01c1dc03$08065590$7b021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <018501c1dca7$265a0f10$9e3cbbd4@mauritshi7oiw3> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > Jim, > > You will be wasting your time to respond!!! (Just a tip, heed it if you > desire.) Yep, Holy Wars can't be win, this is the common esoteric vs science debat, every year we get this stuff over here. And no dubbelblind testing, off course, it's has nothing to do with common sense at all. Right from the mouth speaking from Amsterdam, Holland. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Thu Apr 4 20:51:56 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 13:51:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CACA0CC.7F4F0BC@snip.net> Ron, what is the Belden part no. and is it 12 gauge? Best regards. John ron wrote: > > FYI, Belden makes a shielded high gauge IEC cable (for about > $20) that couldn't conceivably be improved upon. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 6 11:46:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 16:46:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat Message-ID: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> Naktechs, Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 transistor on 581 reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the safe operating temperature for non-heatsinked transistor ? I remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius but that transistor measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i feel safer attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). Stephen, this transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor (from reel motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the heat down (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 ohm the reel motor is running too fast. Best regards, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 6 11:33:59 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 16:33:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive foot massager References: <01C1DC26.5DB203E0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001e01c1dd50$03c8d4a0$4a289bca@smarzuki> sounds like the vodka was not applied to stylus .... =) sm ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:16 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive foot massager I used to use vodka to clean my stylus when I couldn't find any isopropanol. But I noticed that the images got blurred, to the extent that they eventually doubled. Can you imagine what Lynyrd Skynyrd were like with *EIGHT* lead guitarists? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Apr 6 17:42:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 10:42:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CAF1766.569C3EBA@rcn.com> I don't remember saying 70 degrees, but in any case, this would be a general number. If you want a more accurate number, I can post the formula. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > Naktechs, Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 > transistor on 581 reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the > safe operating temperature for non-heatsinked transistor ? I > remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius but that transistor > measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i feel safer > attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). Stephen, this > transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor (from reel > motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me > what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the > heat down (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 > ohm the reel motor is running too fast. Best regards,Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl Sat Apr 6 17:44:39 2002 From: j.soulantikas at hccnet.nl (Jannis) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:44:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk Message-ID: <001101c1dd81$f802fe70$9600000a@jannis1> read and wonder http://www.miniboard.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/Dec1998/6/1/3.html?nogifs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 6 18:18:53 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 23:18:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <3CAF1766.569C3EBA@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001201c1dd86$bf0645a0$79289bca@smarzuki> Ron, thanks for the info (& formula offer, but that won't be nessecary :-). Can you give me some idea as to why this chip, er, transistor melted at such 'low' temperature ? Surrounding pcb was also burnt out ... anyway now it's stable with the large heatsink. I got the 70 degrees (at heatsink) from your feb 2 post : > As far as transistors go, actual temperature is not > as important as its constancy. There is a simple > formula for calculating (the all important) internal > transistor junction temperature, that must be kept > under 175 degrees C (as a safety margin, 155 is a > better limit) for Silicon transistors. This often > translates to over 70 degrees C at the heat sink, > which feels very hot to the touch, yet could be > perfectly OK for the transistors. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat I don't remember saying 70 degrees, but in any case, this would be a general number. If you want a more accurate number, I can post the formula. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > Naktechs, Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 > transistor on 581 reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the > safe operating temperature for non-heatsinked transistor ? I > remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius but that transistor > measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i feel safer > attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). Stephen, this > transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor (from reel > motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me > what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the > heat down (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 > ohm the reel motor is running too fast. Best regards,Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 6 18:25:00 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 23:25:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk References: <001101c1dd81$f802fe70$9600000a@jannis1> Message-ID: <001b01c1dd87$99e91f80$79289bca@smarzuki> Jannis, do you also use minidisc ? How does it compare to your Nak ? Ime mp3 compression is not good, the difference is very clear (using fraunhoffer encoder), i wonder if sony's 'atrac' is any better than mp3. I'd appreciate if fellow nakkers can give any comparison comment of nak vs md (kind of like the idea / convenience of MD). SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] naktalk read and wonder http://www.miniboard.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/Dec1998/6/1/3.html?nogifs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Apr 6 18:24:38 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 17:24:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: using your PC to record analogue sources Message-ID: <01C1DD8F.EFAAE220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Naktalkers: I apologise if this sound like heresy to died-in-the-wool cassette fans. I am looking for guidance on computer audio, especially analogue-to-digital converters. I would like to archive vinyl albums to a high-resolution digital medium. The performance of CD is not good enough, so CD-R is out. I believe that I will need to build my solution around a computer and a recordable high-density medium, probably whichever one wins the recordable DVD battle. I also believe that I shall need to buy an off-board analogue to digital converter so that I can isolate the delicate signals from all the hash generated by the switch-mode power supplies within the computer. There is a fair amount of conjecture and speculation in the above, because, I cannot unable to find any hard information and expert opinion to guide me. Can any of you recording fanatics recommend a good magazine or web-site? (Something a lot better than the Computer Audio section of UK Hi-Fi-World, if it exists!) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Apr 6 18:38:56 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:38:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Denon professional (?) CD player Message-ID: I visited today a friend, who works in a radio station. I saw there a strange looking Denon CD Cart Player DN-951FA. It's barely wider than a CD but very deep and needs some sort of cart (caddy?) to put the CD in before you stick the whole contraption in the player and play. Since the station will be moving to new premises, which will be fully equipped with brand new equipment, they will be selling off everything from their current setup quite cheaply. Anyone familiar with this unit ? Do I try to get it (for whatever reason you can give me, apart from getting it dirt cheap) or it's not worth it ? George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 6 18:42:37 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:42:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MD References: <001101c1dd81$f802fe70$9600000a@jannis1> <001b01c1dd87$99e91f80$79289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00b501c1dd8a$0fd50a90$21756acf@johnrotten> MD is excellent. I dub CD's on to Sony MDS-JB930 deck for beach/pool playback on a Sharp portable. MD's are small, fit in shirt pocket, light weigh and really sound good. I just bought a pair of discontinued Sennheiser HD 535's to try with them from eBay, new $48! Nothing like listening to Bob Marley sitting on a Jamaican beach! "No woman no cry"... John ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk Jannis, do you also use minidisc ? How does it compare to your Nak ? Ime mp3 compression is not good, the difference is very clear (using fraunhoffer encoder), i wonder if sony's 'atrac' is any better than mp3. I'd appreciate if fellow nakkers can give any comparison comment of nak vs md (kind of like the idea / convenience of MD). SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] naktalk read and wonder http://www.miniboard.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/Dec1998/6/1/3.html?nogifs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Apr 6 18:47:43 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 11:47:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: using your PC to record analogue sources References: <01C1DD8F.EFAAE220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <00be01c1dd8a$c64fd2f0$21756acf@johnrotten> reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com has been discussing this a lot lately. Mostly, of course, from R2R but soundcards/software gets thrown around quite a bit. Bit, digital, sorry! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: using your PC to record analogue sources > Naktalkers: > I apologise if this sound like heresy to died-in-the-wool cassette fans. I > am looking for guidance on computer audio, especially analogue-to-digital > converters. I would like to archive vinyl albums to a high-resolution > digital medium. The performance of CD is not good enough, so CD-R is out. > > I believe that I will need to build my solution around a computer and a > recordable high-density medium, probably whichever one wins the recordable > DVD battle. I also believe that I shall need to buy an off-board analogue > to digital converter so that I can isolate the delicate signals from all > the hash generated by the switch-mode power supplies within the computer. > > There is a fair amount of conjecture and speculation in the above, because, > I cannot unable to find any hard information and expert opinion to guide > me. Can any of you recording fanatics recommend a good magazine or > web-site? (Something a lot better than the Computer Audio section of UK > Hi-Fi-World, if it exists!) > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Apr 6 19:36:39 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2002 19:36:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] MD- Salim and John Message-ID: Hi John, I have the exact same machine, or rather had, as my brother has borrowed it, on the non-return basis, it seems. But I liked it's amazing editting and shuffling capabilities. You can't write anything intelligible on the caddy of course, so you have to put it in really, and check out what's on it. But it is as neat as a pin. Sound wise, I find simple material to sound the best, with more complex passages becoming instantly smoother and the image narrowing. The sound is absolutely great for music on the move, which one must appreciate, is what the format was conceived for. I have a Philips DCC-600 which is better sounding but no match for the mini-disc's flexibility. Salim, I think ATRAC is very clever and sounds better than any MP3 by a comfortable margin. But ALL of my Naks sound better than the minidisc (ATRAC) or the Philips (PASC). They never get confused on busy, transient rich or information-dense material. The seperation of every strand of music, when the decks are properly set up, and using good media, cannot be matched. Also, one has to bear in mind the sliding scale agorithim that applies in ATRAC and PASC decoding. The denser the mix, the more data at the high end of the frequency spectrum is discarded. I think, that in general, MD will discard everything above 18khz. The machine specs will often claim 2hz-20000hz. The decks electronics may be able to handle this theoretically, but the ADC will operate within the confines of the format. ATRAC retains 20% of the data using it's proprietory psycoacoustic system, PASC retains 25% (not too bad if the ADC/DAC is not too bad, and as John says, can sound first rate); most MP3 concepts, retain 8.3%-10%, which of course, unless you've had a career in an artillery battalion, (i.e. your hearing is gone) sounds like crap. (To use Stephen's term of endearment!!). So, minidisc is better sounding than MP3 by a mile, and is more flexible than cassette by a long distance. But for pure sound, I look no further than a well tuned Nak............ Go well, Marc >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/06/02 06:42PM >>> MD is excellent. I dub CD's on to Sony MDS-JB930 deck for beach/pool playback on a Sharp portable. MD's are small, fit in shirt pocket, light weigh and really sound good. I just bought a pair of discontinued Sennheiser HD 535's to try with them from eBay, new $48! Nothing like listening to Bob Marley sitting on a Jamaican beach! "No woman no cry"... John ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk Jannis, do you also use minidisc ? How does it compare to your Nak ? Ime mp3 compression is not good, the difference is very clear (using fraunhoffer encoder), i wonder if sony's 'atrac' is any better than mp3. I'd appreciate if fellow nakkers can give any comparison comment of nak vs md (kind of like the idea / convenience of MD). SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] naktalk read and wonder http://www.miniboard.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/Dec1998/6/1/3.html?nogifs ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 6 20:32:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 01:32:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MD- Salim and John References: Message-ID: <001801c1dd99$729e5b40$58289bca@smarzuki> Thank you Mark and John for your comments & detailed explanations. Seems like you are eager to try new recording formats all the time ! Is there any 'variable' compression theme, ie when music is complex / dense it compresses less ? Or is that what 'lossless' (meridian ?) all about ? 8% compression ... interesting ... and amazing that we still hear any music on mp3 ! I bet this is another matter of record companies profit that we don't get any better compression schemes. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: jmtooley at ce.net ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MD- Salim and John Hi John, I have the exact same machine, or rather had, as my brother has borrowed it, on the non-return basis, it seems. But I liked it's amazing editting and shuffling capabilities. You can't write anything intelligible on the caddy of course, so you have to put it in really, and check out what's on it. But it is as neat as a pin. Sound wise, I find simple material to sound the best, with more complex passages becoming instantly smoother and the image narrowing. The sound is absolutely great for music on the move, which one must appreciate, is what the format was conceived for. I have a Philips DCC-600 which is better sounding but no match for the mini-disc's flexibility. Salim, I think ATRAC is very clever and sounds better than any MP3 by a comfortable margin. But ALL of my Naks sound better than the minidisc (ATRAC) or the Philips (PASC). They never get confused on busy, transient rich or information-dense material. The seperation of every strand of music, when the decks are properly set up, and using good media, cannot be matched. Also, one has to bear in mind the sliding scale agorithim that applies in ATRAC and PASC decoding. The denser the mix, the more data at the high end of the frequency spectrum is discarded. I think, that in general, MD will discard everything above 18khz. The machine specs will often claim 2hz-20000hz. The decks electronics may be able to handle this theoretically, but the ADC will operate within the confines of the format. ATRAC retains 20% of the data using it's proprietory psycoacoustic system, PASC retains 25% (not too bad if the ADC/DAC is not too bad, and as John says, can sound first rate); most MP3 concepts, retain 8.3%-10%, which of course, unless you've had a career in an artillery battalion, (i.e. your hearing is gone) sounds like crap. (To use Stephen's term of endearment!!). So, minidisc is better sounding than MP3 by a mile, and is more flexible than cassette by a long distance. But for pure sound, I look no further than a well tuned Nak............ Go well, Marc >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/06/02 06:42PM >>> MD is excellent. I dub CD's on to Sony MDS-JB930 deck for beach/pool playback on a Sharp portable. MD's are small, fit in shirt pocket, light weigh and really sound good. I just bought a pair of discontinued Sennheiser HD 535's to try with them from eBay, new $48! Nothing like listening to Bob Marley sitting on a Jamaican beach! "No woman no cry"... John ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 6 23:31:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 14:31:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> I actually don't have a 581 manual, but I found one which should be arriving in the next week. I can say, though, that I always replace the driver transistor pair with 2SB649 & 2SD669, which are much more reliable & can take more abuse. The pb reel drive torque should be more dependent on the reel table clutch than the reel motor speed. If the torque is excessive at the nominal motor speed, than the clutch is too high friction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat > > Naktechs, > > Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 transistor on 581 reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the safe operating temperature for non-heatsinked transistor ? I remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius but that transistor measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i feel safer attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). > > Stephen, this transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor (from reel motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the heat down (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 ohm the reel motor is running too fast. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: George Valkov [SMTP:g_valkov at hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 06 April, 2002 17:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Denon professional (?) CD player I visited today a friend, who works in a radio station. I saw there a strange looking Denon CD Cart Player DN-951FA. It's barely wider than a CD but very deep and needs some sort of cart (caddy?) to put the CD in before you stick the whole contraption in the player and play. Since the station will be moving to new premises, which will be fully equipped with brand new equipment, they will be selling off everything from their current setup quite cheaply. Anyone familiar with this unit ? Do I try to get it (for whatever reason you can give me, apart from getting it dirt cheap) or it's not worth it ? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sun Apr 7 13:09:03 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 12:09:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Message-ID: Hi, I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 and £2 - 2500 if I remember right... I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy building my own passive box if it will work. cheers guys Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Apr 7 14:15:46 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 19:15:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat & RX modif. References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> Thanks Stephen ! Strangely, using large 22 ohm resistor between reel motor and ground, transistor's temperature is very low (motor & the back portion of reel is spinning very fast, meaning friction is also high ?). BTW reel motor is still good, not much carbon build up & brushes are also in good shape. In any case i'll leave the heatsink on. By the way, what do you think of putting BX300 mechanism inside RX202 ? I think there's enough room for the whole main board (to utilise BX's pb amp circuit etc). I'm thinking of wiring the mechanism CPU in parallel pin to pin (using only one RX's mech CPU). Do you think that could work out ? Now this what i would call RX 404 ... the missing link. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat I actually don't have a 581 manual, but I found one which should be arriving in the next week. I can say, though, that I always replace the driver transistor pair with 2SB649 & 2SD669, which are much more reliable & can take more abuse. The pb reel drive torque should be more dependent on the reel table clutch than the reel motor speed. If the torque is excessive at the nominal motor speed, than the clutch is too high friction. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat > > Naktechs, > > Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 transistor on 581 reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the safe operating temperature for non-heatsinked transistor ? I remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius but that transistor measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i feel safer attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). > > Stephen, this transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor (from reel motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the heat down (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 ohm the reel motor is running too fast. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 7 23:57:46 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:57:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? References: Message-ID: <007801c1de7f$41c49660$313442cf@sank1> By sheer coincidence, I worked on a pair of A370 amps, for the first & only time, about a year ago. They are quite competent, sonically. However, they used really oddball & long discontinued output MOSFET's, so I had no choice but to replace them with power HEXFET's & modify the bias circuits(a few resistor changes) to account for the much higher turn-on voltages. I used IRF540(for the 2SKxxx type) & IRF9540(for the 2SJxxx type), which are quite cheap, made by several different manufacturers & will not likely be discontinued in the next decade. With this in mind, I would say the amp is a good buy only if you can get it for less than =$300usd in working condition. A passive should suit the amp just fine, but I would say to use a nice tube preamp with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? > Hi, > I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in > the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg > 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 > and �2 - 2500 if I remember right... > I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if > so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy > building my own passive box if it will work. > cheers guys > Jim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 8 00:01:52 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 16:01:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> If the takeup drive really is terribly fast, then something is not quite right in the driver circuit. I'll see what might be up with that when the manual arrives. So, are you insane, or do you just have too much free time? I must say that I like the idea of the DD motor transport in an RX202, but I think you are looking at a world of pain to try to adapt the BX300's 3-head electronics into the thing. Makes my head hurt just thinking about what would be involved! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat & RX modif. > > Thanks Stephen ! Strangely, using large 22 ohm resistor between reel motor > and ground, transistor's temperature is very low (motor & the back portion > of reel is spinning very fast, meaning friction is also high ?). BTW reel > motor is still good, not much carbon build up & brushes are also in good > shape. In any case i'll leave the heatsink on. > > By the way, what do you think of putting BX300 mechanism inside RX202 ? I > think there's enough room for the whole main board (to utilise BX's pb amp > circuit etc). I'm thinking of wiring the mechanism CPU in parallel pin to > pin (using only one RX's mech CPU). Do you think that could work out ? Now > this what i would call RX 404 ... the missing link. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 4:31 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat > > > I actually don't have a 581 manual, but I found one which should be arriving > in the next week. I can say, though, that I always replace the driver > transistor pair with 2SB649 & 2SD669, which are much more reliable & can > take more abuse. The pb reel drive torque should be more dependent on the > reel table clutch than the reel motor speed. If the torque is excessive at > the nominal motor speed, than the clutch is too high friction. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 2:46 AM > Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat > > > > > > Naktechs, > > > > Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 transistor on 581 > reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the safe operating temperature > for non-heatsinked transistor ? I remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius > but that transistor measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i > feel safer attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). > > > > Stephen, this transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor > (from reel motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me > what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the heat down > (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 ohm the reel motor is > running too fast. > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 8 00:05:12 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 18:05:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <3CAF1766.569C3EBA@rcn.com> <001201c1dd86$bf0645a0$79289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CB0C298.113C04BC@rcn.com> Salim, High temperature (IOW, excessive power dissipation) is only one failure mechanism. Excessive voltage is another, as is excessive current. I don't have the 581 schematic and can't say what, exactly, caused the failure of your specific transistor. However, if the PCB around it is charred, this is not a good sign... I wonder if modifying circuit values was a good idea -- I owned a 582 (same mechanism and/or control circuit?) and never had a problem with reel motor performance. Good luck, -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > Ron, thanks for the info (& formula offer, but that won't be nessecary :-). > Can you give me some idea as to why this chip, er, transistor melted at such > 'low' temperature ? Surrounding pcb was also burnt out ... anyway now it's > stable with the large heatsink. I got the 70 degrees (at heatsink) from > your feb 2 post : > > > As far as transistors go, actual temperature is not > > as important as its constancy. There is a simple > > formula for calculating (the all important) internal > > transistor junction temperature, that must be kept > > under 175 degrees C (as a safety margin, 155 is a > > better limit) for Silicon transistors. This often > > translates to over 70 degrees C at the heat sink, > > which feels very hot to the touch, yet could be > > perfectly OK for the transistors. > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:42 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat > > I don't remember saying 70 degrees, but in any case, this would > be a general number. If you want a more accurate number, I can > post the formula. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > Naktechs, Back to nak deck ... i just replaced a melted 2sa634 > > transistor on 581 reel motor governor ... can anybody tell me the > > safe operating temperature for non-heatsinked transistor ? I > > remembered Ron said about 70deg celcius but that transistor > > measured steady 66 degrees before it failed ... now i feel safer > > attaching a heatsink to it (down to 50). Stephen, this > > transistor's heat resulted from changing 22ohm resistor (from reel > > motor to ground) to 2.2 ohm - per 582 manual. Can you tell me > > what the right value is for 581 ? Now i put 2.7 ohm to keep the > > heat down (surrounding pcb is already brownish at 2.2), but at 5 > > ohm the reel motor is running too fast. Best regards,Salim SM > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 8 07:41:49 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:41:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> Ha ha ... either insane or enjoy being tortured. I'm thinking of utilising full BX electronics on top of RX 'transport', er, reversing table, triggered by the view of RX's nicely separated mechanism & main board. Let's see once that bx300-for-parts arrived here (bought Jan 01 !!) ... all i have to do is throw out rx main board and put bx board inside, right ? =) today nakamichi .. tomorrow the world ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? If the takeup drive really is terribly fast, then something is not quite right in the driver circuit. I'll see what might be up with that when the manual arrives. So, are you insane, or do you just have too much free time? I must say that I like the idea of the DD motor transport in an RX202, but I think you are looking at a world of pain to try to adapt the BX300's 3-head electronics into the thing. Makes my head hurt just thinking about what would be involved! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 8 07:52:59 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:52:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <3CAF1766.569C3EBA@rcn.com> <001201c1dd86$bf0645a0$79289bca@smarzuki> <3CB0C298.113C04BC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c1dec1$a3b3ab80$56289bca@smarzuki> Thank you Ron, this is one of those times i wish i'd taken up some EE :-) On the 58x series, kind of amazing to see the trick nak pulled on back in 1978 ! I believe this is the first 'new gen' naks from the late 700/600 era, very clean layout compared to other decks. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 transistor heat Salim, High temperature (IOW, excessive power dissipation) is only one failure mechanism. Excessive voltage is another, as is excessive current. I don't have the 581 schematic and can't say what, exactly, caused the failure of your specific transistor. However, if the PCB around it is charred, this is not a good sign... I wonder if modifying circuit values was a good idea -- I owned a 582 (same mechanism and/or control circuit?) and never had a problem with reel motor performance. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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My thoughts on analog vs digital is simply this, I will always have a place in my heart for both formats, but the incredible "reallism" of the Naks win me over every time. The md format in my opinion will kick MP3 in the butt, I'm not a fan of mp3 (though I use it on my notebook). MP3 has a long way to go before I consider it a Pro or semi-pro format. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2002 2:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk Jannis, do you also use minidisc ? How does it compare to your Nak ? Ime mp3 compression is not good, the difference is very clear (using fraunhoffer encoder), i wonder if sony's 'atrac' is any better than mp3. I'd appreciate if fellow nakkers can give any comparison comment of nak vs md (kind of like the idea / convenience of MD). SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] naktalk read and wonder http://www.miniboard.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/Dec1998/6/1/3.html?nogifs -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hifisapi at gate.net Mon Apr 8 08:29:51 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 02:29:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A30@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: The md format in my opinion will kick MP3 in the butt, I'm not a fan of mp3 (though I use it on my notebook). MP3 has a long way to go before I consider it a Pro or semi-pro format. Neither MD, or MP3, nor even CD are "pro" formats, that's why I'm sticking with ANALOG vinyl for now. JCO -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Apr 8 09:29:17 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 08:29:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? In-Reply-To: <007801c1de7f$41c49660$313442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply, As the buyer wants approx £500 (20% of the original purchase price) I haven't any chance of getting it for $300 usd! As I have since learnt that they did not have good perceived reliability, and the fact you had to repair two is no good sign either, I think I will give it a miss. Dealers seem to have these for around £1000 ukp each when they come up, for which I would expect better then 'competent sonics' but then MF products do fetch a premium over here. Saved again from a mediocre product it seems... Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 07 April 2002 22:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? By sheer coincidence, I worked on a pair of A370 amps, for the first & only time, about a year ago. They are quite competent, sonically. However, they used really oddball & long discontinued output MOSFET's, so I had no choice but to replace them with power HEXFET's & modify the bias circuits(a few resistor changes) to account for the much higher turn-on voltages. I used IRF540(for the 2SKxxx type) & IRF9540(for the 2SJxxx type), which are quite cheap, made by several different manufacturers & will not likely be discontinued in the next decade. With this in mind, I would say the amp is a good buy only if you can get it for less than =$300usd in working condition. A passive should suit the amp just fine, but I would say to use a nice tube preamp with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? > Hi, > I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in > the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg > 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 > and £2 - 2500 if I remember right... > I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if > so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy > building my own passive box if it will work. > cheers guys > Jim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 8 16:36:42 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 10:36:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A30@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3CB1AAFA.B7EACAE8@rcn.com> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >[......]>The md format in my opinion will kick MP3 in the butt [......] This depends on the MP3 level of compression. In theory, *any* lossy format can't sound as good as the original. In my limited experience, 320kbps is all but indistinguishable from an original CD. > MP3 has a long way to go before I consider it a Pro or semi-pro > format. MP3 was not intended as a pro format, by any stretch of the imagination. The idea was to highly compress, so as to achieve files small enough to share over the Internet. Personally, MP3 meets for me completely different needs than other sources. I listen to it often, due to S/W availability and convenience -- mostly, off my computer or the portable player I lug to the gym. For 'serious' listening, I stick with CDs, radio, tape or vinyl. -- Ron > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2002 2:25 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk > > Jannis, do you also use minidisc ? How does it compare > to your Nak ? Ime mp3 compression is not good, the > difference is very clear (using fraunhoffer encoder), i > wonder if sony's 'atrac' is any better than mp3. I'd > appreciate if fellow nakkers can give any comparison > comment of nak vs md (kind of like the idea / > convenience of MD). SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jannis > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 10:44 PM > Subject: [naktalk] naktalk > read and > wonderhttp://www.miniboard.com/cgi-bin/HyperNews/get/Dec1998/6/1/3.html?nogifs > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 8 17:01:24 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:01:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> <3CACA0CC.7F4F0BC@snip.net> Message-ID: <3CB1B0C4.2459CE76@rcn.com> John, I don't know the Belden P/N, or even if Belden still makes these cables (I used them several years ago). I don't recall the gauge either, but don't think it was 12AWG. More like 14AWG or even 16AWG. My opinion is that, given reasonable equipment quality and line cord dressing, there is no reason to shield the line cord (in my system, I do not). Also, the only reason for a 12AWG line cord is if it feeds a complete system, that includes high power devices. In my case, I have to feed 5 channels of 400W/Ch power amps plus a large screen TV set and do use a 12AWG cord (actually, all the way from the circuit breaker box), with a 20A rated industrial plug. Even my power hungry system, this is a huge overkill. -- Ron "John M. Smokevitch" wrote: > Ron, what is the Belden part no. and is it 12 gauge? > > Best regards. > John > > ron wrote: > > > > > FYI, Belden makes a shielded high gauge IEC cable (for about > > $20) that couldn't conceivably be improved upon. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 8 17:03:19 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:03:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> I would say that that's all you have to do! Not by a longshot. You're considering a very complicated task. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? > > Ha ha ... either insane or enjoy being tortured. I'm thinking of utilising > full BX electronics on top of RX 'transport', er, reversing table, triggered > by the view of RX's nicely separated mechanism & main board. Let's see once > that bx300-for-parts arrived here (bought Jan 01 !!) ... all i have to do is > throw out rx main board and put bx board inside, right ? =) > > today nakamichi .. tomorrow the world ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? > > > If the takeup drive really is terribly fast, then something is not quite > right in the driver circuit. I'll see what might be up with that when the > manual arrives. > So, are you insane, or do you just have too much free time? I must say that > I like the idea of the DD motor transport in an RX202, but I think you are > looking at a world of pain to try to adapt the BX300's 3-head electronics > into the thing. Makes my head hurt just thinking about what would be > involved! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 8 17:05:41 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:05:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> <007f01c1dc03$08065590$7b021fac@brianm> <018501c1dca7$265a0f10$9e3cbbd4@mauritshi7oiw3> Message-ID: <3CB1B1C4.67374DFE@rcn.com> Maurits wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > > Jim, > > > > You will be wasting your time to respond!!! (Just a tip, heed it if you > > desire.) > > [....] And no dubbelblind testing, off course, it's has nothing to > do with common sense at all. I am curious... Why does double blind testing have nothing to do with common sense? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 8 17:42:19 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:42:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <002301c1dae3$95a31990$9865fea9@c994264g> <3CAAB9BD.F340B180@earthlink.net> <3CABB619.7903CDAE@rcn.com> <3CABBAFA.405DC48C@earthlink.net> <3CAC9166.B4BE0E4D@rcn.com> <3CACA0CC.7F4F0BC@snip.net> <3CB1B0C4.2459CE76@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CB1BA5B.F4F7CCAD@rcn.com> John, I just chanced across the following: http://www.rodaletech.com/cordsets.htm#shield -- Ron ron wrote: > John, > > I don't know the Belden P/N, or even if Belden still makes these > cables (I used them several years ago). I don't recall the gauge > either, but don't think it was 12AWG. More like 14AWG or even > 16AWG. > > My opinion is that, given reasonable equipment quality and line > cord dressing, there is no reason to shield the line cord (in my > system, I do not). Also, the only reason for a 12AWG line cord > is if it feeds a complete system, that includes high power devices. > In my case, I have to feed 5 channels of 400W/Ch power amps > plus a large screen TV set and do use a 12AWG cord (actually, > all the way from the circuit breaker box), with a 20A rated > industrial plug. Even my power hungry system, this is a huge > overkill. > > -- Ron > > "John M. Smokevitch" wrote: > > > Ron, what is the Belden part no. and is it 12 gauge? > > > > Best regards. > > John > > > > ron wrote: > > > > > > > > FYI, Belden makes a shielded high gauge IEC cable (for about > > > $20) that couldn't conceivably be improved upon. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Mon Apr 8 17:48:53 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 09:48:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT"Around Tuits" Message-ID: Hello all. I must be getting my life in order. At the week-end I tried getting an old portable tape recorder going. It seems to work ok apart from going much too fast! Now how the hell does that happen? I could understand it going slow/fluctuating or not working at all, but not speeding up! It's battery powered so it can't be a voltage thing. Any comments? Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.rr.com Mon Apr 8 18:01:09 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.rr.com (timbarrett at cox.rr.com) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:01:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord In-Reply-To: <3CB1B0C4.2459CE76@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CB18685.13345.F76FD8@localhost> John- If you are still interested, here are some numbers for IEC 320-C13 power cords with U.S. plugs from the Belden catalog: 17604 14 AWG shielded, 2 meter length 17605 14 AWG shielded, 3 meter length 17608 16 AWG shielded, 2 meter length, right angle IEC 17609 16 AWG sheilded, 3 meter length, right angle IEC 14 Guage is the heaviest I see in this catalog, there are various configurations of straight / right angle / short / long / 18 - 14 AWG / shielded and unshielded cables available. Belden also offers shielded cords with only the IEC plug on one end; you terminate your source end as appropriate, but they inexplicably only go up to 16 AWG. The Alpha catalog doesn't offer anything more than Belden does. - tim barrett On 8 Apr 2002 at 11:01, ron wrote: Date sent: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 11:01:24 -0400 From: ron To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > John, > > I don't know the Belden P/N, or even if Belden still makes these > cables (I used them several years ago). I don't recall the gauge > either, but don't think it was 12AWG. More like 14AWG or even > 16AWG. > > My opinion is that, given reasonable equipment quality and line > cord dressing, there is no reason to shield the line cord (in my > system, I do not). Also, the only reason for a 12AWG line cord > is if it feeds a complete system, that includes high power devices. In > my case, I have to feed 5 channels of 400W/Ch power amps plus a large > screen TV set and do use a 12AWG cord (actually, all the way from the > circuit breaker box), with a 20A rated industrial plug. Even my power > hungry system, this is a huge overkill. > > -- Ron > > > "John M. Smokevitch" wrote: > > > Ron, what is the Belden part no. and is it 12 gauge? > > > > Best regards. > > John > > > > ron wrote: > > > > > > > > FYI, Belden makes a shielded high gauge IEC cable (for about > > > $20) that couldn't conceivably be improved upon. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Apr 8 18:21:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 10:21:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT"Around Tuits" References: Message-ID: <012f01c1df19$717edb00$313442cf@sank1> Don't know if it's a Nak portable, or other with a flat capstan belt, but it may just be that the belt has popped up onto the rim of the motor pulley. Otherwise, if it's way fast, could be a servo failure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT"Around Tuits" > Hello all. > I must be getting my life in order. > At the week-end I tried getting an old portable tape recorder going. It > seems to work ok apart from going much too fast! > Now how the hell does that happen? I could understand it going > slow/fluctuating or not working at all, but not speeding up! > It's battery powered so it can't be a voltage thing. > > Any comments? > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Apr 8 18:29:44 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 12:29:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT"Around Tuits" References: Message-ID: <3CB1C578.9B20B4A3@rcn.com> Barring a mechanical problem, I would assume speed is servo controlled and something in the servo circuit has gone south. -- Ron Ken Bentley wrote: > Hello all. > I must be getting my life in order. > At the week-end I tried getting an old portable tape recorder going. It > seems to work ok apart from going much too fast! > Now how the hell does that happen? I could understand it going > slow/fluctuating or not working at all, but not speeding up! > It's battery powered so it can't be a voltage thing. > > Any comments? > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 8 19:57:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:57:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c1df26$eba820a0$d36e87d9@a4s1s2> THAT depends on your definition of "pro format". For a start, analogue vinyl only kicks CD butt when it has a good phono stage to pass through. Also, one must consider that SOME professional musicians work only in digital, recording direct to hard drive and producing CD's from there, thus (in theory at least) offering to their buying public recordings that are every "bit" as good as the original! Indeed, if one thinks of radio stations, in the UK at least, very few regularly use vinyl (or even reel to reel.) One station I know quite well in the UK (a very well known one) has little more than a Technics SP12 - not bad but hardly state of the art as far as analogue reproduction is concerned, and they try not to use it whenever a CD is available instead! And all their trailers and ads are recorded onto mini disc, while many of their full radio programmes are transferred onto hard disc for automated broadcasting triggered by time switches or the duty engineer on the night/weekend shift ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of J. C. O'Connell Sent: 08 April 2002 07:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] naktalk The md format in my opinion will kick MP3 in the butt, I'm not a fan of mp3 (though I use it on my notebook). MP3 has a long way to go before I consider it a Pro or semi-pro format. Neither MD, or MP3, nor even CD are "pro" formats, that's why I'm sticking with ANALOG vinyl for now. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 08 April 2002 08:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Thanks for the reply, As the buyer wants approx £500 (20% of the original purchase price) I haven't any chance of getting it for $300 usd! As I have since learnt that they did not have good perceived reliability, and the fact you had to repair two is no good sign either, I think I will give it a miss. Dealers seem to have these for around £1000 ukp each when they come up, for which I would expect better then 'competent sonics' but then MF products do fetch a premium over here. Saved again from a mediocre product it seems... Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 07 April 2002 22:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? By sheer coincidence, I worked on a pair of A370 amps, for the first & only time, about a year ago. They are quite competent, sonically. However, they used really oddball & long discontinued output MOSFET's, so I had no choice but to replace them with power HEXFET's & modify the bias circuits(a few resistor changes) to account for the much higher turn-on voltages. I used IRF540(for the 2SKxxx type) & IRF9540(for the 2SJxxx type), which are quite cheap, made by several different manufacturers & will not likely be discontinued in the next decade. With this in mind, I would say the amp is a good buy only if you can get it for less than =$300usd in working condition. A passive should suit the amp just fine, but I would say to use a nice tube preamp with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? > Hi, > I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in > the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg > 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 > and £2 - 2500 if I remember right... > I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if > so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy > building my own passive box if it will work. > cheers guys > Jim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Apr 8 20:41:07 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:41:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? In-Reply-To: <000501c1df27$8a9195c0$d36e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham, I too have heard and enjoyed MF class A amplifiers in the past, but I have yet to hear a contempary view of this amp (and I've tried) which rates it very highly. As I have only today seen one in a dealers ad for £1195 I would expect owners to be more enthusiastic. The term mediocre was meant in sound per pound/reliability/owner satisfaction terms. I was suprised to find it universally despised or just plain uninteresting to anyone asked, I was certain it got good reviews on launch but time tells...... Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 April 2002 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Jim ..... Mmmmm.... may be it was a bit expensive but I'd not call it a mediocre product. Personally, I have found most of their amps very pleasant to listen to - not fatiguing, yet not overly coloured. The very best rendition I have ever heard of Cecilia Bartoli on CD was via a MF integrated amp ... I forget which model. The performance was pretty close to the sweetness of a nice tube amp. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 08 April 2002 08:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Thanks for the reply, As the buyer wants approx £500 (20% of the original purchase price) I haven't any chance of getting it for $300 usd! As I have since learnt that they did not have good perceived reliability, and the fact you had to repair two is no good sign either, I think I will give it a miss. Dealers seem to have these for around £1000 ukp each when they come up, for which I would expect better then 'competent sonics' but then MF products do fetch a premium over here. Saved again from a mediocre product it seems... Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 07 April 2002 22:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? By sheer coincidence, I worked on a pair of A370 amps, for the first & only time, about a year ago. They are quite competent, sonically. However, they used really oddball & long discontinued output MOSFET's, so I had no choice but to replace them with power HEXFET's & modify the bias circuits(a few resistor changes) to account for the much higher turn-on voltages. I used IRF540(for the 2SKxxx type) & IRF9540(for the 2SJxxx type), which are quite cheap, made by several different manufacturers & will not likely be discontinued in the next decade. With this in mind, I would say the amp is a good buy only if you can get it for less than =$300usd in working condition. A passive should suit the amp just fine, but I would say to use a nice tube preamp with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? > Hi, > I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in > the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg > 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 > and £2 - 2500 if I remember right... > I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if > so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy > building my own passive box if it will work. > cheers guys > Jim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Apr 8 20:45:30 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:45:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? In-Reply-To: <000501c1df27$8a9195c0$d36e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham, I forgot to mention that I had decided not to demo it and make my own mind up because if the whole world hates them I probably will too, and I don't want to hurt the guys feelings by telling him so. Stephens response was one of the more enthusiastic I have heard! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 April 2002 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Jim ..... Mmmmm.... may be it was a bit expensive but I'd not call it a mediocre product. Personally, I have found most of their amps very pleasant to listen to - not fatiguing, yet not overly coloured. The very best rendition I have ever heard of Cecilia Bartoli on CD was via a MF integrated amp ... I forget which model. The performance was pretty close to the sweetness of a nice tube amp. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 08 April 2002 08:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Thanks for the reply, As the buyer wants approx £500 (20% of the original purchase price) I haven't any chance of getting it for $300 usd! As I have since learnt that they did not have good perceived reliability, and the fact you had to repair two is no good sign either, I think I will give it a miss. Dealers seem to have these for around £1000 ukp each when they come up, for which I would expect better then 'competent sonics' but then MF products do fetch a premium over here. Saved again from a mediocre product it seems... Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 07 April 2002 22:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? By sheer coincidence, I worked on a pair of A370 amps, for the first & only time, about a year ago. They are quite competent, sonically. However, they used really oddball & long discontinued output MOSFET's, so I had no choice but to replace them with power HEXFET's & modify the bias circuits(a few resistor changes) to account for the much higher turn-on voltages. I used IRF540(for the 2SKxxx type) & IRF9540(for the 2SJxxx type), which are quite cheap, made by several different manufacturers & will not likely be discontinued in the next decade. With this in mind, I would say the amp is a good buy only if you can get it for less than =$300usd in working condition. A passive should suit the amp just fine, but I would say to use a nice tube preamp with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? > Hi, > I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in > the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg > 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 > and £2 - 2500 if I remember right... > I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if > so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy > building my own passive box if it will work. > cheers guys > Jim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 08 April, 2002 19:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Jim ..... Mmmmm.... may be it was a bit expensive but I'd not call it a mediocre product. Personally, I have found most of their amps very pleasant to listen to - not fatiguing, yet not overly coloured. The very best rendition I have ever heard of Cecilia Bartoli on CD was via a MF integrated amp ... I forget which model. The performance was pretty close to the sweetness of a nice tube amp. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 08 April 2002 08:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? Thanks for the reply, As the buyer wants approx ?500 (20% of the original purchase price) I haven't any chance of getting it for $300 usd! As I have since learnt that they did not have good perceived reliability, and the fact you had to repair two is no good sign either, I think I will give it a miss. Dealers seem to have these for around ?1000 ukp each when they come up, for which I would expect better then 'competent sonics' but then MF products do fetch a premium over here. Saved again from a mediocre product it seems... Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 07 April 2002 22:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? By sheer coincidence, I worked on a pair of A370 amps, for the first & only time, about a year ago. They are quite competent, sonically. However, they used really oddball & long discontinued output MOSFET's, so I had no choice but to replace them with power HEXFET's & modify the bias circuits(a few resistor changes) to account for the much higher turn-on voltages. I used IRF540(for the 2SKxxx type) & IRF9540(for the 2SJxxx type), which are quite cheap, made by several different manufacturers & will not likely be discontinued in the next decade. With this in mind, I would say the amp is a good buy only if you can get it for less than =$300usd in working condition. A passive should suit the amp just fine, but I would say to use a nice tube preamp with it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT : Musical Fidelity A370 quality and reliability? > Hi, > I've got the opportunity to buy a Musical Fidelity A370 power amp here in > the UK but aren't sure what to pay and if I should bother? Its a huge 40kg > 150w class A affair which I'm sure got good reviews at the time, around 1989 > and ?2 - 2500 if I remember right... > I always loved the looks but anyone know if the sound is up to much and if > so any reliability problems? If its a corker what preamp would work, I fancy > building my own passive box if it will work. > cheers guys > Jim > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Risch recommends a place called Carlton-Bates, which sells them for a mere $6.60 each. However, appears to be a minimum order. The site is rather confusing. Does anyone know another reliable source for these??? In addition, I want to thank everyone for their input on this whole power cord thing. I'm glad I asked the question here. While I have no doubt that a quality cable could make a difference in the sound of a power amplifier, I'm skeptical as to whether it would have an effect in a soucre component like a CD trasport or DAC (my intended use). Nevertheless, even if $2,000 power cords (or $200 ones for that matter) do make a significant difference, I honestly don't want to know. I'm already seriously over budget on my system! - Joe On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:01:09 -0400 timbarrett at cox.rr.com writes: > John- > > If you are still interested, here are some numbers for IEC 320-C13 > power > cords with U.S. plugs from the Belden catalog: > 17604 14 AWG shielded, 2 meter length > 17605 14 AWG shielded, 3 meter length > 17608 16 AWG shielded, 2 meter length, right angle IEC > 17609 16 AWG sheilded, 3 meter length, right angle IEC > > 14 Guage is the heaviest I see in this catalog, there are various > configurations of straight / right angle / short / long / 18 - 14 > AWG / > shielded and unshielded cables available. Belden also offers > shielded > cords with only the IEC plug on one end; you terminate your source > end as > appropriate, but they inexplicably only go up to 16 AWG. > > The Alpha catalog doesn't offer anything more than Belden does. > > - tim barrett ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 9 09:44:05 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:44:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: <75AB59DE.469894A7.026D48C1@netscape.net> Dear Naktalkers, Quite recently I have found the site which certainly grabbed information from Naks.com. More than that the owner decided to SELL information he grabbed on a non-commercial basis. The site is called "Naked" (http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/index.htm). First I did not want to write about it to Naktalk because any mentioning of this site will inevitably increase its visit rate thus promoting its popularity. But then after some offline consultations I decided that it should be done just to let our members know that they are being cheated. Unfortunately there is not much we can do about it as the legal status of Naks.com is not quite clear and anyway it would have taken plenty hours in court to defend Wouter's rights. So the only thing we can do is to inform our members (and through their behalf any other people who are interested in this information) about Naks.com pillage. The way of information layout of "Naked" is much the same as Naks.com. CD-ROM that is being promoted on this site is definitely gathered from the manuals, brochures and reviews at Naks.com ftp-facility. So, be warned and warn the others about this dishonest behaviour. 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First I did not want to write about it to Naktalk because any mentioning of this site will inevitably increase its visit rate thus promoting its popularity. But then after some offline consultations I decided that it should be done just to let our members know that they are being cheated. Unfortunately there is not much we can do about it as the legal status of Naks.com is not quite clear and anyway it would have taken plenty hours in court to defend Wouter's rights. So the only thing we can do is to inform our members (and through their behalf any other people who are interested in this information) about Naks.com pillage. The way of information layout of "Naked" is much the same as Naks.com. CD-ROM that is being promoted on this site is definitely gathered from the manuals, brochures and reviews at Naks.com ftp-facility. So, be warned and warn the others about this dishonest behaviour. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Tue Apr 9 10:09:58 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 09:09:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage In-Reply-To: <75AB59DE.469894A7.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: Hi You should have said earlier, the guy running the site is using the same host as my digital jitter laser site! I've been in touch with Mike who sorted out my website for me (Im no tech -head) and he says it will be down today! He has no interest in Naks but wants nothing to do with copyrighted info, looks like they will be looking for a new host. Its amazing what a quick email will do....Mick even said he will put up a link to Naks.com. Yours in Nakland Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: 09 April 2002 08:44 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Dear Naktalkers, Quite recently I have found the site which certainly grabbed information from Naks.com. More than that the owner decided to SELL information he grabbed on a non-commercial basis. The site is called "Naked" (http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/index.htm). First I did not want to write about it to Naktalk because any mentioning of this site will inevitably increase its visit rate thus promoting its popularity. But then after some offline consultations I decided that it should be done just to let our members know that they are being cheated. Unfortunately there is not much we can do about it as the legal status of Naks.com is not quite clear and anyway it would have taken plenty hours in court to defend Wouter's rights. So the only thing we can do is to inform our members (and through their behalf any other people who are interested in this information) about Naks.com pillage. The way of information layout of "Naked" is much the same as Naks.com. CD-ROM that is being promoted on this site is definitely gathered from the manuals, brochures and reviews at Naks.com ftp-facility. So, be warned and warn the others about this dishonest behaviour. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 9 10:35:22 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 04:35:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: <306227EF.49C724AD.026D48C1@netscape.net> Thanks, Jim! That's great we managed to defend Wouter from this. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Tue Apr 9 11:06:16 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 10:06:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage In-Reply-To: <306227EF.49C724AD.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: Hi, Its gone ! A bit of a coincidence that but surely if this moron has all the nak-books he must be amongst us? Anyone feel like owning up to Wouter-jealousy or being a Naka-phoney? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: 09 April 2002 09:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Thanks, Jim! That's great we managed to defend Wouter from this. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 9 11:36:10 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 05:36:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: <084BF08F.761150CD.026D48C1@netscape.net> I become more and more convinced that Naktalk is really magnificient place! Thank you very-very much!!! I also think that this guy reads Naktalk. Well, here the only thing we could do is to express our opinion about this matter. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 9 11:31:16 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:31:16 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: <15eeb115eec2.15eec215eeb1@indosat.net.id> Excellent job ! I didn't even have a chance to look at the site: Following Complaints of Copyright infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed from this webspace. Please visit NAKS.com for your Nakamichi interests ----- Original Message ----- From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2002 3:35 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage > Thanks, Jim! > > That's great we managed to defend Wouter from this. > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 9 15:15:26 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 20:15:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1dfc8$e2529240$841a9bca@smarzuki> Well now that RX is already working fine, i'll leave it like that ... until the bx-for-parts arrives =). Stephen, if not too troublesome, can you give some idea why this 581 high frequency is slightly upsloping / tilted on playback ? It happens only on right channel (swapped the pb head cable and still tilted on same ch), so it's supposedly on electronics. Recording result looks normal when played back on other deck. I'm using generated sweep tone from 20hz-20khz and FR is a bit rising from 1k relative to the other channel. Tried turning the pb 'bias trap' coil (and returned it back !) without any effect. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? I would say that that's all you have to do! Not by a longshot. You're considering a very complicated task. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 9 16:22:01 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 16:22:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage: Congratulations Nick and Jim: Message-ID: Hi Nick: Congratulations on blowing the whistle on this weasel. And Jim, you and your connection are sharp. To use a South Africanism, I never saw a website getted "klapped" so quickly in my life. Well done guys, Marc >>> Modernizy at netscape.net 04/09/02 11:36AM >>> I become more and more convinced that Naktalk is really magnificient place! Thank you very-very much!!! I also think that this guy reads Naktalk. Well, here the only thing we could do is to express our opinion about this matter. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 9 18:25:19 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:25:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <20020408.212234.-1892109.3.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3CB315EF.F6B843CF@rcn.com> Jon Risch seems to have done an awful lot of research on cables in general and interconnects in particular. Much of what he preaches follows the current Esoteric Audiophile wisdom. Much is based on grains of truth while ignoring the actual magnitude of an effect. For example, he is right that teflon insulation is associated with less cable induced distortion than, say, PE, but I am not sure he is correct in claiming the effect is audible. Another example: he claims Belden 89259 cable is better than 1506A, because , he says, resistance of the the latter's shield is higher. He neglects to take into account the difference in a few ft of cable is on the order of a couple of milliohms (thousands of an ohm), which, in addition, are cut by at least half, because shields run in parallel. IOW, Mr. Risch has reasoned, incorrectly, that 1506A should be inferior, than proceeded to hear this in his extensive listening tests. Another suspect is Mr. Risch's listening tests of solid vs. stranded conductors. He has concluded that a twisted pair made of one stranded and one solid conductor sounded better than either both stranded or both solid leads. This doesn't make sense whatsoever. If stranded is identical to solid (which is what theory supports), than all three pairs should be sonically identical. If they are different (a claim not at all in evidence) than the mixed pair will sound the worst , since the interconnect will no longer be balanced. Bottom line: Mr. Risch's tests are interesting and, in some cases, illuminating, but his conclusions should be taken with a small bag of salt. As to the shielded power cord: I doubt it will make any difference (if it does, do fix whatever is wrong with your house power wiring). OTOH, it will do no harm, so, if that's what turns you on, got for it. Good luck. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > I've found that the Belden 17604 (2 meter 14 AWG shielded) power cords > that several people have mentioned here are now marketed by Belden under > the name Volex. A frequent poster to the Cable Asylum named John Risch > highly recommends this cable, and puts forth his reasons here: > > http://www.geocities.com/jonrisch/ac-cords.htm > > I don't know his qualifications, but he seems to make sense and his web > page is full of DIY cable projects. He also seems to be well respected > on the Asylum, FWIW. > > The only problem now is finding a place to buy two of these cables. > Risch recommends a place called Carlton-Bates, which sells them for a > mere $6.60 each. However, appears to be a minimum order. The site is > rather confusing. Does anyone know another reliable source for these??? > > In addition, I want to thank everyone for their input on this whole power > cord thing. I'm glad I asked the question here. > > While I have no doubt that a quality cable could make a difference in the > sound of a power amplifier, I'm skeptical as to whether it would have an > effect in a soucre component like a CD trasport or DAC (my intended use). > Nevertheless, even if $2,000 power cords (or $200 ones for that matter) > do make a significant difference, I honestly don't want to know. I'm > already seriously over budget on my system! > > - Joe > > On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:01:09 -0400 timbarrett at cox.rr.com writes: > > John- > > > > If you are still interested, here are some numbers for IEC 320-C13 > > power > > cords with U.S. plugs from the Belden catalog: > > 17604 14 AWG shielded, 2 meter length > > 17605 14 AWG shielded, 3 meter length > > 17608 16 AWG shielded, 2 meter length, right angle IEC > > 17609 16 AWG sheilded, 3 meter length, right angle IEC > > > > 14 Guage is the heaviest I see in this catalog, there are various > > configurations of straight / right angle / short / long / 18 - 14 > > AWG / > > shielded and unshielded cables available. Belden also offers > > shielded > > cords with only the IEC plug on one end; you terminate your source > > end as > > appropriate, but they inexplicably only go up to 16 AWG. > > > > The Alpha catalog doesn't offer anything more than Belden does. > > > > - tim barrett > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Apr 9 18:32:48 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:32:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage References: <75AB59DE.469894A7.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3CB317B0.6EAA39EC@rcn.com> I never got around to seeing it and now it's gone... Some time ago, there was someone selling a CD of Nakamichi data on ebay. I seem to remember this was also discussed here. I wonder if it's the same con artist. Personally, I tend to take such things complacently. The world is filled with weasels. You can't hope to avoid them all. From time to time, one of them is bound to cross your path. Just look the other way and try not to puke. -- Ron Nick wrote: > Dear Naktalkers, > > Quite recently I have found the site which certainly grabbed information from Naks.com. More than that the owner decided to SELL information he grabbed on a non-commercial basis. The site is called "Naked" (http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/index.htm). > > First I did not want to write about it to Naktalk because any mentioning of this site will inevitably increase its visit rate thus promoting its popularity. But then after some offline consultations I decided that it should be done just to let our members know that they are being cheated. > > Unfortunately there is not much we can do about it as the legal status of Naks.com is not quite clear and anyway it would have taken plenty hours in court to defend Wouter's rights. So the only thing we can do is to inform our members (and through their behalf any other people who are interested in this information) about Naks.com pillage. > > The way of information layout of "Naked" is much the same as Naks.com. CD-ROM that is being promoted on this site is definitely gathered from the manuals, brochures and reviews at Naks.com ftp-facility. > > So, be warned and warn the others about this dishonest behaviour. > > With best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Tue Apr 9 18:47:47 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:47:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage: Congratulations Nick and Jim: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, It went so quick I didn't get a chance to see the full extent of the plagiarism myself, but I would like to say Hello! to the culprit also, happy nakking idiot and good luck with your new host, wherever it may be! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 09 April 2002 15:22 To: naktalk at naks.com; Modernizy at netscape.net Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage: Congratulations Nick and Jim: Hi Nick: Congratulations on blowing the whistle on this weasel. And Jim, you and your connection are sharp. To use a South Africanism, I never saw a website getted "klapped" so quickly in my life. Well done guys, Marc >>> Modernizy at netscape.net 04/09/02 11:36AM >>> I become more and more convinced that Naktalk is really magnificient place! Thank you very-very much!!! I also think that this guy reads Naktalk. Well, here the only thing we could do is to express our opinion about this matter. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 9 18:56:10 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:56:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <20020408.212234.-1892109.3.josephj69@juno.com> <3CB315EF.F6B843CF@rcn.com> Message-ID: <052901c1dfe7$739d1b80$dff53fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > Bottom line: Mr. Risch's tests are interesting and, in some cases, > illuminating, but his conclusions should be taken with a small bag > of salt. I'll agree with this to an extent but when judging cable differences one must keep in mind that we are connecting devices with no standards. there is no standard input and output impedence so cables with different rlc measurements will sound different and one or the other combination will probably sound better. > As to the shielded power cord: I doubt it will make any difference > (if it does, do fix whatever is wrong with your house power wiring). > OTOH, it will do no harm, so, if that's what turns you on, got for > it. Good luck. > > -- Ron The shielding effect isn't reliant on the house wiring other than the need to drain it to ground. What will affect the need for shielding is the rfi/emi environment in which your system resides that is unless you happen to live in a faraday shield. That was the purpose of the latest ce standards in europe and the current power supply standards they are implementing. This isn't audiophile fantasy emi/rfi ditortions are very real, I remember an apartment that a friend had rented next to a large group of powerline pylons. In that situation they needed filters on the phone lines because without them you heard radio stations and white noise when you picked up the phone. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bobos61 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 9 20:53:40 2002 From: bobos61 at hotmail.com (e mambruno) Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 18:53:40 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: WELL DONE. ed >From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage >Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 03:44:05 -0400 > >Dear Naktalkers, > >Quite recently I have found the site which certainly grabbed information >from Naks.com. More than that the owner decided to SELL information he >grabbed on a non-commercial basis. The site is called "Naked" >(http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/index.htm). > >First I did not want to write about it to Naktalk because any mentioning of >this site will inevitably increase its visit rate thus promoting its >popularity. But then after some offline consultations I decided that it >should be done just to let our members know that they are being cheated. > >Unfortunately there is not much we can do about it as the legal status of >Naks.com is not quite clear and anyway it would have taken plenty hours in >court to defend Wouter's rights. So the only thing we can do is to inform >our members (and through their behalf any other people who are interested >in this information) about Naks.com pillage. > >The way of information layout of "Naked" is much the same as Naks.com. >CD-ROM that is being promoted on this site is definitely gathered from the >manuals, brochures and reviews at Naks.com ftp-facility. > >So, be warned and warn the others about this dishonest behaviour. > >With best wishes, > >Nicholas. > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. >Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! >http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Apr 9 20:59:38 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 14:59:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 700 ZXL Message-ID: <053f01c1dff8$b33d7f80$0d756acf@johnnyrotten> I have a Nakamichi 700 ZXL cassette deck currently at Mr. Sank's in N.M. being breathed on, as only Stephen can! That's at least worth a round of applause, all agree? Without Stephen and his vast knowledge we would all have non-funtioning machines and wasted expensive investments. Thank you Stephen from everybody at Naktalk! Okay, my problem is that my panel lens is missing. This the plastic lens that covers the VU meters etc. Does anybody here have a replacement for sale? I have exhausted all know avenues to locate one of these. Nakamichi Indicator Scale Cover, Part #OH03916A. 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Tooley) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 15:16:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter References: <3C98F7EE.24936.AA4D93@localhost> <02b501c1d07e$adadf4c0$143442cf@sank1> <003b01c1d0a4$6b75f0f0$9b70d1d1@D74G7711> <03c301c1d0c1$7791e480$143442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <055501c1dffb$12d13390$0d756acf@johnnyrotten> Just ordered the 50-5675 Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter > For a solid, cheap & useful DMM, that has capacitance & frequency > measurement added to the usual DMM functions, go to http://www.dalbani.com & > order #50-5675 @$39. each, or the solar-charged version, #50-2255, for $49. > If you want a "high class" meter with the similar capabilities, but > theoretically higher precision, go to http://www.mcmelectronics.com & order > a Fluke 83, stock #105-211 for $279. Frankly, I haven't felt like my Fluke > 83, 87, 37 & 29 meters have really "pulled their weight" of price, compared > to a couple of the cheap meters I've gotten from Dalbani & etc. Of course, > the Fluke meters can be found on ebay for cheaper, used. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rob Hamilton" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 11:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Digital Voltmeter > > > > Anyone know of a good place to purchase a good digital voltmeter at a good > > price? Might be a number of us "listeners" may want to attempt more > repairs > > with all this great info.Thanks, Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:18 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > Can't recall hearing K340's, but I can say without doubt that the SP-7's > > mop > > > the floor with the K240's. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "Jim Mueller" ; > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 6:58 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: AKG headphones > > > > > > > > > > Jim- > > > > > > > > I've had K240's for what seems like forever; I use them on the bench. > > > Haven't had > > > > any trouble with them so they seem to be pretty rugged. I'm pleased > > with > > > the sound > > > > quality, but you know how subjective a thing that can be. > > > > > > > > On 20 Mar 2002 at 20:40, Jim Mueller wrote: > > > > > > > > > Anyone have experience with these? Are the K340's any good? > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Tim Barrett > > > > timbarrett at cox.rr.com > > > > Fairfax, VA > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bohnen at interchange.ubc.ca Tue Apr 9 21:58:36 2002 From: bohnen at interchange.ubc.ca (Aaron Bohnen) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:58:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] FA: Tektronix True RMS Digital Multimeter, NEW In-Reply-To: <055501c1dffb$12d13390$0d756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3CB2E57C.12641.71E61D@localhost> Hi everyone, This discussion of DMM's is very timely - I have an excellent Tektronix DMM254 true RMS multimeter on Ebay right now. It is brand new with traceable calibration from Tektronix. Features true RMS voltage, digital and bargraph readout, capacitance, frequency, etc. etc. This is an excellent meter - FAR superior in terms of reliability, build quality and so on when compared with the similar Fluke and B&K meters. Nice features are the really high quality leads with needle probes, safety boot and stand, etc. Currently it is at just $US 56 - about $US 200 off of the retail price. Here's a link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1719785357 best regards to all, Aaron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Apr 9 23:21:51 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 16:21:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE042@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hello naktalkers, Up until the age of CDs, i've been making cassette recordings of music on vinyl, but have had mixed results when recording CDs. Is using dolby necessary for CDs? I used DNR all the time for my vinyl recs. It is used on playback to reduce tape hiss, but also, depending on the source quality, would also reduce some of the audible vinyl imperfections. Some CD recordings used with DNR seemed top-heavy with high freqs. Others done without have turned out lacking high freqs. By the time CDs emerged as the dominant source medium and the cassettes moved closer to obsolecents, cheaper decks were being made and no real guidelines to making proper recordings from digital sources (at least not from my limited resources). Is using DNR strickly a matter of personal preferrence as far as CDs go? Could the production quality (or lack thereof) of a CD play a major part? Is using a NAK deck going to make a significant difference from using another quality deck in this matter. All this was still quite some time ago, but i've never been able to get a definitive answer to what is probably obvious to most of you. thanx, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 10 01:27:36 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 00:27:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c1e01e$22086220$17a8193e@a4s1s2> Well done, Jim! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 09 April 2002 09:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Hi You should have said earlier, the guy running the site is using the same host as my digital jitter laser site! I've been in touch with Mike who sorted out my website for me (Im no tech -head) and he says it will be down today! He has no interest in Naks but wants nothing to do with copyrighted info, looks like they will be looking for a new host. Its amazing what a quick email will do....Mick even said he will put up a link to Naks.com. Yours in Nakland Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Wed Apr 10 10:52:23 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 09:52:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage In-Reply-To: <000801c1e01e$22086220$17a8193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Steady on with all the praise it will go to my head! By the way, anyone interested in turntables? My latest attempt at a site (with a little help on design and coding) is here. Anyone with any more manuals or pics to donate is welcome to send me details. Werner from TNT audio and the turntable galleria has already been very helpful. And if the phantom site stealer is reading, this is what can be done with co-operation and a little work........... Also I'm looking for a new name for the site, ideally one which isn't already taken....suggestions on a postcard. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 10 April 2002 00:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Well done, Jim! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 09 April 2002 09:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Hi You should have said earlier, the guy running the site is using the same host as my digital jitter laser site! I've been in touch with Mike who sorted out my website for me (Im no tech -head) and he says it will be down today! He has no interest in Naks but wants nothing to do with copyrighted info, looks like they will be looking for a new host. Its amazing what a quick email will do....Mick even said he will put up a link to Naks.com. Yours in Nakland Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 10 13:48:08 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 13:48:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage References: <75AB59DE.469894A7.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <3CB42678.AD65A28C@xs4all.nl> Hi ALL! I'm just now reading this thread, which is quite interesting so to say... and I HAD to response! But the 'problem' has been solved already, thanks Jim! Makes me think what you did that made him remove it ;-) It had been annoying me in the past that people on auction sites just took all the info on a deck from the site and placed in in their auction without any reference to Naks.com.... but this is far worse! About the PDF's, well this is one of the reasons I'm keeping them 'hidden' and limited audience, it is already not legal to scan them and publish them (I'm sure) but selling them will alert Nakamichi themselves also! But thanks everyone for being so alert, and if someone should get jealous it's because of something he/she can't get going themselves I guess! Wouter ps. Sorry for the radio silence. Nick wrote: > Dear Naktalkers, > > Quite recently I have found the site which certainly grabbed information from Naks.com. More than that the owner decided to SELL information he grabbed on a non-commercial basis. The site is called "Naked" (http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/index.htm). > > First I did not want to write about it to Naktalk because any mentioning of this site will inevitably increase its visit rate thus promoting its popularity. But then after some offline consultations I decided that it should be done just to let our members know that they are being cheated. > > Unfortunately there is not much we can do about it as the legal status of Naks.com is not quite clear and anyway it would have taken plenty hours in court to defend Wouter's rights. So the only thing we can do is to inform our members (and through their behalf any other people who are interested in this information) about Naks.com pillage. > > The way of information layout of "Naked" is much the same as Naks.com. CD-ROM that is being promoted on this site is definitely gathered from the manuals, brochures and reviews at Naks.com ftp-facility. > > So, be warned and warn the others about this dishonest behaviour. > > With best wishes, > > Nicholas. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 10 14:07:51 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 19:07:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: <19775719c2d7.19c2d7197757@indosat.net.id> Wouter ... where have you been ? New project is much more interesting ? =)=)=) Just one question, what is the s.o.p to upload pdf to your site ... send it to you first or ? Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage > Hi ALL! > > I'm just now reading this thread, which is quite interesting so to > say... and I HAD to response! > But the 'problem' has been solved already, thanks Jim! Makes me > think what you did that made him remove it ;-) > It had been annoying me in the past that people on auction sites > just took all the info on a deck from the site and placed in in > their auction without any reference to Naks.com.... but this is > far worse! > About the PDF's, well this is one of the reasons I'm keeping them > 'hidden' and limited audience, it is already not legal to scan > them and publish them (I'm sure) but selling them will alert > Nakamichi themselves also! > > But thanks everyone for being so alert, and if someone should get > jealous it's because of something he/she can't get going > themselves I guess! > > Wouter > > ps. Sorry for the radio silence. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 10 14:20:29 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 08:20:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage References: Message-ID: <006201c1e08a$1ae5c8e0$2a756acf@johnnyrotten> Looks very nice. John ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Steady on with all the praise it will go to my head! By the way, anyone interested in turntables? My latest attempt at a site (with a little help on design and coding) is here. Anyone with any more manuals or pics to donate is welcome to send me details. Werner from TNT audio and the turntable galleria has already been very helpful. And if the phantom site stealer is reading, this is what can be done with co-operation and a little work........... Also I'm looking for a new name for the site, ideally one which isn't already taken....suggestions on a postcard. Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 10 April 2002 00:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Well done, Jim! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 09 April 2002 09:10 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Hi You should have said earlier, the guy running the site is using the same host as my digital jitter laser site! I've been in touch with Mike who sorted out my website for me (Im no tech -head) and he says it will be down today! He has no interest in Naks but wants nothing to do with copyrighted info, looks like they will be looking for a new host. Its amazing what a quick email will do....Mick even said he will put up a link to Naks.com. Yours in Nakland Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wheijke at xs4all.nl Wed Apr 10 16:56:16 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (Wouter Heijke) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 16:56:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage References: <19775719c2d7.19c2d7197757@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3CB45290.E584CCA1@xs4all.nl> Hi Salim, Eh... several 'things' at the same time can take up all your time... It is good to know that the server can survive on it's own and that too many people on naktalk keep their eyes open! But your question... Uploading and FTP-ing is not possible any more for some time, download goes through HTTP, it's just safer this way. If you (or anyone else) have any PDF material you want to share with other naktalk members please send the file(s) to me on this email address and I'll put them on the server. I hope there are some good manuals in the pipeline? Regards, Wouter smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > Wouter ... where have you been ? New project is much more > interesting ? =)=)=) Just one question, what is the s.o.p to upload > pdf to your site ... send it to you first or ? > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wouter Heijke > Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:48 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage > > > Hi ALL! > > > > I'm just now reading this thread, which is quite interesting so to > > say... and I HAD to response! > > But the 'problem' has been solved already, thanks Jim! Makes me > > think what you did that made him remove it ;-) > > It had been annoying me in the past that people on auction sites > > just took all the info on a deck from the site and placed in in > > their auction without any reference to Naks.com.... but this is > > far worse! > > About the PDF's, well this is one of the reasons I'm keeping them > > 'hidden' and limited audience, it is already not legal to scan > > them and publish them (I'm sure) but selling them will alert > > Nakamichi themselves also! > > > > But thanks everyone for being so alert, and if someone should get > > jealous it's because of something he/she can't get going > > themselves I guess! > > > > Wouter > > > > ps. Sorry for the radio silence. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 10 18:12:21 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 23:12:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage References: <19775719c2d7.19c2d7197757@indosat.net.id> <3CB45290.E584CCA1@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <000f01c1e0aa$843ae940$5d289bca@smarzuki> Hi Wouter, Best of luck on ... whatever you're up to at this moment (guess i only heard the rumors :-). I just wanted to 'contribute' a bx300 serv manual a while ago, and i believe another nakster also wanted to upload a manual. I'll send it to your email tomorrow. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Hi Salim, Eh... several 'things' at the same time can take up all your time... It is good to know that the server can survive on it's own and that too many people on naktalk keep their eyes open! But your question... Uploading and FTP-ing is not possible any more for some time, download goes through HTTP, it's just safer this way. If you (or anyone else) have any PDF material you want to share with other naktalk members please send the file(s) to me on this email address and I'll put them on the server. I hope there are some good manuals in the pipeline? Regards, Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Uploading and FTP-ing is not possible any more for some time, > download goes through HTTP, it's just safer this way. > If you (or anyone else) have any PDF material you want to share with other naktalk > members please send the file(s) to me on this email address and I'll put them on the > server. > > I hope there are some good manuals in the pipeline? > > Regards, > > Wouter > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > Wouter ... where have you been ? New project is much more > > interesting ? =)=)=) Just one question, what is the s.o.p to upload > > pdf to your site ... send it to you first or ? > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wouter Heijke > > Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 6:48 pm > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage > > > > > Hi ALL! > > > > > > I'm just now reading this thread, which is quite interesting so to > > > say... and I HAD to response! > > > But the 'problem' has been solved already, thanks Jim! Makes me > > > think what you did that made him remove it ;-) > > > It had been annoying me in the past that people on auction sites > > > just took all the info on a deck from the site and placed in in > > > their auction without any reference to Naks.com.... but this is > > > far worse! > > > About the PDF's, well this is one of the reasons I'm keeping them > > > 'hidden' and limited audience, it is already not legal to scan > > > them and publish them (I'm sure) but selling them will alert > > > Nakamichi themselves also! > > > > > > But thanks everyone for being so alert, and if someone should get > > > jealous it's because of something he/she can't get going > > > themselves I guess! > > > > > > Wouter > > > > > > ps. Sorry for the radio silence. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 10 20:32:28 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:32:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord References: <20020408.212234.-1892109.3.josephj69@juno.com> <3CB315EF.F6B843CF@rcn.com> <052901c1dfe7$739d1b80$dff53fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CB4853B.A5CB8A6B@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: looking for inexpensive IEC power cord > > > Bottom line: Mr. Risch's tests are interesting and, in some cases, > > illuminating, but his conclusions should be taken with a small bag > > of salt. > I'll agree with this to an extent but when judging cable differences one > must keep in mind that we are connecting devices with no standards. > there is no standard input and output impedence so cables with different > rlc measurements will sound different and one or the other combination > will probably sound better. Actually, there are great similarities between devices, even though there is no rigid standard. For example, most line level output impedances will be under 1Kohm, while most input resistances will be over 20Kohm. Under these conditions, cable resistance is immaterial. Since interconnect inductance will be too small to matter, the only concern will be reasonably low capacitance and adequate shielding for EMI and hum rejection. Purists also argue that cable non linearity is sonically audible. I can't argue with that (what's audible to you may not be audible to me, and vice versa) and based on that, they prefer certain insulators (i.e. Teflon) over others. > > As to the shielded power cord: I doubt it will make any difference > > (if it does, do fix whatever is wrong with your house power wiring). > > OTOH, it will do no harm, so, if that's what turns you on, got for > > it. Good luck. > > > > -- Ron > The shielding effect isn't reliant on the house wiring other than the need > to drain it to ground. It does, to the extent that the house electrical system radiates the interference. > What will affect the need for shielding is the > rfi/emi environment in which your system resides that is unless you happen to > live in a faraday shield. You do not need a Faraday cage to enjoy a 'good' A/V system. The equipment is designed for the normal, run-of-the-mill type environment and in such environment esoteric line cords will do zilch. In some places (rare, in my experience) the house wiring is corroded and connection points are deteriorated, to the point where problems do occur. IME, this is the only case where a shielded line cord or a power line conditioner can make any sonic difference. I realize there are people that claim they hear improved sound or see a better picture after replacing a line cord... I wish them all the best. > That was the purpose of the latest ce standards in > europe and the current power supply standards they are implementing. > This isn't audiophile fantasy emi/rfi ditortions are very real, I remember > an > apartment that a friend had rented next to a large group of powerline > pylons. > In that situation they needed filters on the phone lines because without > them > you heard radio stations and white noise when you picked up the phone. Sure. But this is an unusual case. The vast majority of people on this planet do not have such problems. -- Ron > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 10 20:43:24 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:43:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE042@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3CB487CC.426598E0@rcn.com> I've been recording CDs onto audio cassettes for ages and, generally, the copies are indistinguishable from the original CD. Most problems occur because of the huge dynamic range of CDs (as compared to FM or LPs) -- it is important to set the recording level low enough to allow high level transients to come through undistorted. NR allows me to do this without incurring hiss during low level passages. Needless to say , the cassette deck better be able to reproduce the full treble range (any of the Naks I ever owned did this to perfection). -- Ron "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > hello naktalkers, > > Up until the age of CDs, i've been making cassette recordings of music on vinyl, but > have had mixed results when recording CDs. Is using dolby necessary for CDs? I used DNR > all the time for my vinyl recs. It is used on playback to reduce tape hiss, but also, > depending on the source quality, would also reduce some of the audible vinyl imperfections. > Some CD recordings used with DNR seemed top-heavy with high freqs. Others done without > have turned out lacking high freqs. By the time CDs emerged as the dominant source medium and > the cassettes moved closer to obsolecents, cheaper decks were being made and no real guidelines > to making proper recordings from digital sources (at least not from my limited resources). Is > using DNR strickly a matter of personal preferrence as far as CDs go? Could the production > quality (or lack thereof) of a CD play a major part? Is using a NAK deck going to make a > significant difference from using another quality deck in this matter. > All this was still quite some time ago, but i've never been able to get a definitive answer > to what is probably obvious to most of you. > > thanx, > andy > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] recording digital > I've been recording CDs onto audio cassettes for ages and, generally, > the copies are indistinguishable from the original CD. > > Most problems occur because of the huge dynamic range of CDs > (as compared to FM or LPs) -- it is important to set the recording > level low enough to allow high level transients to come through > undistorted. NR allows me to do this without incurring hiss during > low level passages. > > Needless to say , the cassette deck better be able to reproduce the > full treble range (any of the Naks I ever owned did this to perfection). > > -- Ron > > > "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > > > hello naktalkers, > > > > Up until the age of CDs, i've been making cassette recordings of music on vinyl, but > > have had mixed results when recording CDs. Is using dolby necessary for CDs? I used DNR > > all the time for my vinyl recs. It is used on playback to reduce tape hiss, but also, > > depending on the source quality, would also reduce some of the audible vinyl imperfections. > > Some CD recordings used with DNR seemed top-heavy with high freqs. Others done without > > have turned out lacking high freqs. By the time CDs emerged as the dominant source medium and > > the cassettes moved closer to obsolecents, cheaper decks were being made and no real guidelines > > to making proper recordings from digital sources (at least not from my limited resources). Is > > using DNR strickly a matter of personal preferrence as far as CDs go? Could the production > > quality (or lack thereof) of a CD play a major part? Is using a NAK deck going to make a > > significant difference from using another quality deck in this matter. > > All this was still quite some time ago, but i've never been able to get a definitive answer > > to what is probably obvious to most of you. > > > > thanx, > > andy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 11 01:44:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:44:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003a01c1e0e9$a3bf2760$17a8193e@a4s1s2> Great start, Jim. I've sent the link to Terry Bateman @ Rega as I think he'll be interested and may also be persuaded to contribute to your work. (He'll probably be keen to plug the Rega P9, their new flagship TT!!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 10 April 2002 09:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Steady on with all the praise it will go to my head! By the way, anyone interested in turntables? My latest attempt at a site (with a little help on design and coding) is here. Anyone with any more manuals or pics to donate is welcome to send me details. Werner from TNT audio and the turntable galleria has already been very helpful. And if the phantom site stealer is reading, this is what can be done with co-operation and a little work........... Also I'm looking for a new name for the site, ideally one which isn't already taken....suggestions on a postcard. Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 11 05:01:29 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:31:29 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Message-ID: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> Wouter Thanks for responding - one needs to do such dirty acts to wake you up! I pesrsonally thank people in acting quickly to counter such acts. Naks.com is a treasure trove of information and hope it gets more material in future. Once again thanks Wouter Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Wouter Heijke To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage >Hi Salim, > >Eh... several 'things' at the same time can take up all your time... >It is good to know that the server can survive on it's own and that too many people on >naktalk keep their eyes open! > >But your question... Uploading and FTP-ing is not possible any more for some time, >download goes through HTTP, it's just safer this way. >If you (or anyone else) have any PDF material you want to share with other naktalk >members please send the file(s) to me on this email address and I'll put them on the >server. > >I hope there are some good manuals in the pipeline? > >Regards, > >Wouter > > >smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > >> Wouter ... where have you been ? New project is much more >> interesting ? =)=)=) Just one question, what is the s.o.p to upload >> pdf to your site ... send it to you first or ? >> >> Best regards, >> Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Apr 11 09:20:49 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:20:49 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I welcome you to read the following white paper: http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm I welcome your comments. Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Apr 11 09:50:43 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:50:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage In-Reply-To: <003a01c1e0e9$a3bf2760$17a8193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: I better not upload any rega manuals then...before asking permission that is. jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 11 April 2002 00:44 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Great start, Jim. I've sent the link to Terry Bateman @ Rega as I think he'll be interested and may also be persuaded to contribute to your work. (He'll probably be keen to plug the Rega P9, their new flagship TT!!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 10 April 2002 09:52 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks.com pillage Steady on with all the praise it will go to my head! By the way, anyone interested in turntables? My latest attempt at a site (with a little help on design and coding) is here. Anyone with any more manuals or pics to donate is welcome to send me details. Werner from TNT audio and the turntable galleria has already been very helpful. And if the phantom site stealer is reading, this is what can be done with co-operation and a little work........... Also I'm looking for a new name for the site, ideally one which isn't already taken....suggestions on a postcard. Jim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Apr 11 15:59:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (ron) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:59:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> Jim Volpatti wrote: > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > I welcome your comments. > > Jim Volpatti Oh, dear... Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a 'scientific paper', from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 bucks (add $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft power cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to off load the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to show how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are skillfully mixed, in an attempt to convince that speaker cables (specifically, API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, what's the point? Those that do not have the Physics/Engineering/Audio savvy won't understand and those that do, already know exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there are those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker cables do make a H U G E difference (but only when they know beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the mere idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a difference, assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically designed hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us better put our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic difference. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Apr 11 17:43:30 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 08:43:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> You are so predictable, Ron. LOL By the way, Analysis Plus least expensive cable sells for $99 for an eight foot pair. All I can say to those who are interested is compare their cables to the competition and trust your ears. I've heard their cables make improvements in systems ranging from $1000 to $50,000. Jim Volpatti ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I > > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > > > I welcome your comments. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Oh, dear... > > Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a 'scientific paper', > from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 bucks (add > $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft power > cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to off load > the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? > > I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to show > how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are skillfully mixed, > in an attempt to convince that speaker cables (specifically, > API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, what's the > point? Those that do not have the Physics/Engineering/Audio > savvy won't understand and those that do, already know > exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there are > those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker cables do > make a H U G E difference (but only when they know > beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the mere > idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). > > To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a difference, > assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically designed > hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us better put > our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic difference. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 11 17:47:23 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:47:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <022e01c1e170$2d132260$403442cf@sank1> Brace yourselves- I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one. Even I, as a cable-differences advocate, found too many holes & questionable things in the text. It really needs to be re-written. The major points that stick in my head- 1)They didn't actually explain, at least in any way that made any sense, how the hollow oval cable is better, especially compared to foil cables. In fact, the bit of explanation they attempted left one with the impression that foil cables are better. 2)They didn't make any attempt at all to explain how a hollow oval conductor can be flexible. Common sense tells me that such cable will be more prone to creasing & stress fractures. 3)They totally failed to point out the obvious fact that cable braiding enhances EMI/RFI rejection. Odd. 4)They revealed absolutely no info about the materials used by themselves & other makers. 5)They totally ignored Nordost-type cables, where thin, round conductors are in a multiple flat array. Strange, considering that Nordost is an obvious direct competitor. 6)Absolutely nothing brought up about shielding. I think that they could take a good lesson in writing support copy from Lou at LAT. If you read some of his stuff on latinternational.com, I think you'll find it is much more difficult to poke holes in, much more sensible to both tech & non-tech people & generally a much stronger presentation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I > > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > > > I welcome your comments. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Oh, dear... > > Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a 'scientific paper', > from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 bucks (add > $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft power > cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to off load > the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? > > I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to show > how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are skillfully mixed, > in an attempt to convince that speaker cables (specifically, > API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, what's the > point? Those that do not have the Physics/Engineering/Audio > savvy won't understand and those that do, already know > exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there are > those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker cables do > make a H U G E difference (but only when they know > beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the mere > idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). > > To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a difference, > assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically designed > hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us better put > our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic difference. > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Thu Apr 11 19:34:55 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 12:34:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE044@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Ron, Brian, others... My NAK480 doesn't seem to be reproducing the highs like my other decks. Have cleaned the heads, but still seems to be lacking. Playback sounds better with DNR off. Could it be time to demagnify? I'm not a tech-head, so i'm only guessing. Output could possiblly be better too, but still, this was recently purchased, so maybe just not familiar enough with NAKs. come on back. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 11 20:30:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:30:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper In-Reply-To: <022e01c1e170$2d132260$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000d01c1e186$f038b500$d39e193e@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 11 April 2002 04:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper "Brace yourselves- I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one." Bloody hell! Fetch me a drink - I'm feeling faint ..... ;o) Only kidding ya! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 11 20:39:19 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 01:39:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <022e01c1e170$2d132260$403442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001801c1e18e$32e727e0$15299bca@smarzuki> Whew, finally we have a 'disagree to agree'. :-) and the saga continues ... (personally, for 670 bucks i'll get that "need works ZXL" on ebay, a brand new head and some orange caps: easier-to-hear differences ... ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper Brace yourselves- I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one. Even I, as a cable-differences advocate, found too many holes & questionable things in the text. It really needs to be re-written. The major points that stick in my head- 1)They didn't actually explain, at least in any way that made any sense, how the hollow oval cable is better, especially compared to foil cables. In fact, the bit of explanation they attempted left one with the impression that foil cables are better. 2)They didn't make any attempt at all to explain how a hollow oval conductor can be flexible. Common sense tells me that such cable will be more prone to creasing & stress fractures. 3)They totally failed to point out the obvious fact that cable braiding enhances EMI/RFI rejection. Odd. 4)They revealed absolutely no info about the materials used by themselves & other makers. 5)They totally ignored Nordost-type cables, where thin, round conductors are in a multiple flat array. Strange, considering that Nordost is an obvious direct competitor. 6)Absolutely nothing brought up about shielding. I think that they could take a good lesson in writing support copy from Lou at LAT. If you read some of his stuff on latinternational.com, I think you'll find it is much more difficult to poke holes in, much more sensible to both tech & non-tech people & generally a much stronger presentation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 11 21:14:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:14:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE044@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <001901c1e18e$338d7a00$15299bca@smarzuki> Hi Andy ... a lot of things can go wrong ! First make sure that common mechanicals are okay (pb azimuth trim, new belt), before getting more in-depth (other tape path related stuff & electronics). Depending on your luck, the pb head is still in good condition ... my guess is that demagnify would not help. Or send it to Stephen and you'll have a good-as-new deck. :-) Best regards, SM Without any intention to bore fellow nakkers : i finally have the heart to put a brand new pb head in 'old faithful' 482 .... awesome !!! can't say enough thanks to Stephen, Matyas and all of naktalk for this experience. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dundis, Andy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] recording digital Ron, Brian, others... My NAK480 doesn't seem to be reproducing the highs like my other decks. Have cleaned the heads, but still seems to be lacking. Playback sounds better with DNR off. Could it be time to demagnify? I'm not a tech-head, so i'm only guessing. Output could possiblly be better too, but still, this was recently purchased, so maybe just not familiar enough with NAKs. come on back. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 11 22:19:51 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:19:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper Message-ID: Have a feeling we all know of whom the seller of the ZXL was speaking when he said those wanting to verify the expenses of getting this deck back in commission could receive the email address of the tech. I think the tech may be located in Albuquerque, NM. Could I be right, Stephen? Those prices seem in the ballpark for you. Kent >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 04/11/02 01:39PM >>> Whew, finally we have a 'disagree to agree'. :-) and the saga continues ... (personally, for 670 bucks i'll get that "need works ZXL" on ebay, a brand new head and some orange caps: easier-to-hear differences ... ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper Brace yourselves- I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one. Even I, as a cable-differences advocate, found too many holes & questionable things in the text. It really needs to be re-written. The major points that stick in my head- 1)They didn't actually explain, at least in any way that made any sense, how the hollow oval cable is better, especially compared to foil cables. In fact, the bit of explanation they attempted left one with the impression that foil cables are better. 2)They didn't make any attempt at all to explain how a hollow oval conductor can be flexible. Common sense tells me that such cable will be more prone to creasing & stress fractures. 3)They totally failed to point out the obvious fact that cable braiding enhances EMI/RFI rejection. Odd. 4)They revealed absolutely no info about the materials used by themselves & other makers. 5)They totally ignored Nordost-type cables, where thin, round conductors are in a multiple flat array. Strange, considering that Nordost is an obvious direct competitor. 6)Absolutely nothing brought up about shielding. I think that they could take a good lesson in writing support copy from Lou at LAT. If you read some of his stuff on latinternational.com, I think you'll find it is much more difficult to poke holes in, much more sensible to both tech & non-tech people & generally a much stronger presentation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 11 23:24:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 22:24:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital In-Reply-To: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE044@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <000f01c1e19f$547fdd00$d39e193e@a4s1s2> Andy De-mag ... got to be worth a try. Never needed to do it with my Nak's (yet) but have with car cassettes and my ancient (retired/deceased) Aiwa's, though the need for de-mag didn't seem to be reflected as a lacking in the highs but in distortion and increased wow. (I use an ancient Sony de-mag' though have used one of the Radio Shack de-mag in a cassette jobs in the car and that worked quite well.) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 11 April 2002 06:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] recording digital Ron, Brian, others... My NAK480 doesn't seem to be reproducing the highs like my other decks. Have cleaned the heads, but still seems to be lacking. Playback sounds better with DNR off. Could it be time to demagnify? I'm not a tech-head, so i'm only guessing. Output could possiblly be better too, but still, this was recently purchased, so maybe just not familiar enough with NAKs. come on back. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 11 23:40:38 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 15:40:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: Message-ID: <024c01c1e1a1$87835540$403442cf@sank1> Indeed, the guy selling that ZXL had talked to me about sending it for repair. It was a surprise to see it suddenly show up on ebay. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper > Have a feeling we all know of whom the seller of the ZXL was speaking > when he said those wanting to verify the expenses of getting this deck > back in commission could receive the email address of the tech. I think > the tech may be located in Albuquerque, NM. Could I be right, Stephen? > Those prices seem in the ballpark for you. > > Kent > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 04/11/02 01:39PM >>> > > Whew, finally we have a 'disagree to agree'. :-) and the saga > continues > ... > > (personally, for 670 bucks i'll get that "need works ZXL" on ebay, a > brand > new head and some orange caps: easier-to-hear differences ... ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper > > > Brace yourselves- > I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one. > Even I, as a cable-differences advocate, found too many holes & > questionable > things in the text. It really needs to be re-written. The major points > that stick in my head- > 1)They didn't actually explain, at least in any way that made any sense, > how > the hollow oval cable is better, especially compared to foil cables. In > fact, the bit of explanation they attempted left one with the impression > that foil cables are better. > 2)They didn't make any attempt at all to explain how a hollow oval > conductor > can be flexible. Common sense tells me that such cable will be more > prone > to creasing & stress fractures. > 3)They totally failed to point out the obvious fact that cable braiding > enhances EMI/RFI rejection. Odd. > 4)They revealed absolutely no info about the materials used by > themselves & > other makers. > 5)They totally ignored Nordost-type cables, where thin, round conductors > are > in a multiple flat array. Strange, considering that Nordost is an > obvious > direct competitor. > 6)Absolutely nothing brought up about shielding. > > I think that they could take a good lesson in writing support copy from > Lou > at LAT. If you read some of his stuff on latinternational.com, I think > you'll find it is much more difficult to poke holes in, much more > sensible > to both tech & non-tech people & generally a much stronger presentation. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Apr 11 23:53:05 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:53:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE044@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <002701c1e1a3$432dfa10$ad021fac@brianm> If demagging doesn't work, I would venture to say something isn't right w/the deck. You would have to determine if you want to send it to Stephen. One thing is for sure, a tune up wouldn't hurt one way or the other! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dundis, Andy" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] recording digital > Ron, Brian, others... > My NAK480 doesn't seem to be reproducing the highs like my other decks. Have cleaned the heads, > but still seems to be lacking. Playback sounds better with DNR off. Could it be time to > demagnify? I'm not a tech-head, so i'm only guessing. Output could possiblly be better too, but > still, this was recently purchased, so maybe just not familiar enough with NAKs. > come on back. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu Apr 11 23:54:53 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:54:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CB6062D.62050654@concentric.net> Jim Volpatti wrote: > > You are so predictable, Ron. Thanks for the compliment, Jim. I *am* predictable. Once an engineer, always an engineer. I addressed the 'white paper'. You issued a 'You are' kind of response. Unfortunately, that, too was predictable. > LOL I am glad you are so easily amused. Trust me, you have nothing to laugh at. > By the way, Analysis Plus least expensive cable sells for > $99 for an eight foot pair. > > All I can say to those who are interested is compare their > cables to the competition and trust your ears. So what was the business of this 'White paper' all about? If all you need is to trust your ears, why do you need to read their patently dishonest crap about skin effect, oval cables and the like? > I've heard > their cables make improvements in systems ranging from > $1000 to $50,000. And it was your choice to believe (or not believe) what you heard. Some people believe that sound improves after having traveled through silver wires (after all, silver is more expensive, it's *gotta* be better). Other people think their CDs sound better after painting their edge with green ink or demagnetizing them. Listen to such people and there is no end to the claims you will hear. Personally, I tend to test such claims under the harsh light of knowledge. Where I lack such knowledge, I go seek it -- or reconcile myself to not knowing. In any case, I *do not* accept the say-so of a Sales Department -- I have worked with enough of these guys an know full well how they operate. If I thought you actually wanted to know, I would take the time to explain. (Stephen has made a head start, though he has just scratched the surface.) I'll refrain -- I think this would be a waste of perfectly good bits. -- Ron > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can > > make an audible difference, I > > > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > > > > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > > > > > I welcome your comments. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Oh, dear... > > > > Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a > > 'scientific paper', > > from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 > > bucks (add > > $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft > > power > > cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to > > off load > > the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? > > > > I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to > > show > > how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are > > skillfully mixed, > > in an attempt to convince that speaker cables > > (specifically, > > API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, > > what's the > > point? Those that do not have the > > Physics/Engineering/Audio > > savvy won't understand and those that do, already know > > exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there > > are > > those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker > > cables do > > make a H U G E difference (but only when they know > > beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the > > mere > > idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). > > > > To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a > > difference, > > assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically > > designed > > hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us > > better put > > our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic > > difference. > > > > -- Ron > > > > ====== > > =------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 12 00:10:28 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:10:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE044@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3CB609D4.1163EDB1@concentric.net> "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > > Ron, Brian, others... > My NAK480 doesn't seem to be reproducing the highs > like my other decks. Have cleaned the heads, > but still seems to be lacking. Playback sounds > better with DNR off. Could it be time to demagnify? > I'm not a tech-head, so i'm only guessing. Output > could possiblly be better too, but still, this was > recently purchased, so maybe just not familiar > enough with NAKs. > come on back. The 480 is not very high on the Nakamichi food chin. Still it should sound clean and with good treble. A magnetized head/tape-path will tend to erase high frequencies off tapes. Demagnetizing is a good idea. Repeat every 25 play hours or so. You did not say whether highs are missing from tapes recorded and played back on the 480, or only tapes recorded elsewhere and just played back on the 480. If the latter, I would suspect head alignment. If the former (and assuming a good cassette and the head not too worn), I would suspect internal adjustments -- have Stephen look at it. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 12 00:15:19 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:15:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <022e01c1e170$2d132260$403442cf@sank1> <001801c1e18e$32e727e0$15299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CB60AF7.17C4929F@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Whew, finally we have a 'disagree to agree'. :-) and the saga continues > ... > > (personally, for 670 bucks i'll get that "need works ZXL" on ebay, a brand > new head and some orange caps: easier-to-hear differences ... ) Hah... For 670 bucks, I'd buy fifty DVDs. Would make a real visual and sonic difference to me... -- Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:47 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper > > Brace yourselves- > I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one. > Even I, as a cable-differences advocate, found too many holes & questionable > things in the text. It really needs to be re-written. The major points > that stick in my head- > 1)They didn't actually explain, at least in any way that made any sense, how > the hollow oval cable is better, especially compared to foil cables. In > fact, the bit of explanation they attempted left one with the impression > that foil cables are better. > 2)They didn't make any attempt at all to explain how a hollow oval conductor > can be flexible. Common sense tells me that such cable will be more prone > to creasing & stress fractures. > 3)They totally failed to point out the obvious fact that cable braiding > enhances EMI/RFI rejection. Odd. > 4)They revealed absolutely no info about the materials used by themselves & > other makers. > 5)They totally ignored Nordost-type cables, where thin, round conductors are > in a multiple flat array. Strange, considering that Nordost is an obvious > direct competitor. > 6)Absolutely nothing brought up about shielding. > > I think that they could take a good lesson in writing support copy from Lou > at LAT. If you read some of his stuff on latinternational.com, I think > you'll find it is much more difficult to poke holes in, much more sensible > to both tech & non-tech people & generally a much stronger presentation. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kroger1032 at rogers.com Fri Apr 12 01:50:42 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:50:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002001c1e1b3$b1f1e460$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper I must say that I am sick of this never ending debate. Must we go through this every couple of months? I, for one, am sick of it. It doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe, respect and don't belittle the views of others. I've said it before and I'll say it again, whether you are happy with $1.00/ foot cable or $100.00 /foot cables, there should be no need to convince others. If you wish to argue endlessly, please take it offlist. Kevin Rogers You are so predictable, Ron. LOL By the way, Analysis Plus least expensive cable sells for $99 for an eight foot pair. All I can say to those who are interested is compare their cables to the competition and trust your ears. I've heard their cables make improvements in systems ranging from $1000 to $50,000. Jim Volpatti ron wrote: Jim Volpatti wrote: > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > I welcome your comments. > > Jim Volpatti Oh, dear... Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a 'scientific paper', from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 bucks (add $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft power cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to off load the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to show how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are skillfully mixed, in an attempt to convince that speaker cables (specifically, API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, what's the point? Those that do not have the Physics/Engineering/Audio savvy won't understand and those that do, already know exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there are those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker cables do make a H U G E difference (but only when they know beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the mere idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a difference, assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically designed hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us better put our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic difference. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Fri Apr 12 00:23:34 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:23:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads Message-ID: <000201c1e1e2$4aa6fa00$038fe2c3@a9u3z8> Can any of you guys help? My Dragon is suffering from having had a tape played on it which shed copious quantities of oxide. I normally use isopropyl alcohol and cotton buds to clean heads etc. While the playback head seems to be fine (I'm having no problems with playback), there seems to be a stubborn brown residue on the reord and erase heads which won't budge. When I try to calibrate a tape, the right channel is way down on both level and bias, and this is equally noticeable on playback of test recordings. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks, Sinclair. PS The offending tapes are in the bin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thsinclair at localdial.com Fri Apr 12 07:29:44 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 06:29:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Cleaning cassette heads Message-ID: <004101c1e1e3$0e1a1260$038fe2c3@a9u3z8> ----- Original Message ----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: Cleaning cassette heads Can any of you guys help? My Dragon is suffering from having had a tape played on it which shed copious quantities of oxide. I normally use isopropyl alcohol and cotton buds to clean heads etc. While the playback head seems to be fine (I'm having no problems with playback), there seems to be a stubborn brown residue on the reord and erase heads which won't budge. When I try to calibrate a tape, the right channel is way down on both level and bias, and this is equally noticeable on playback of test recordings. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks, Sinclair. PS The offending tapes are in the bin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Apr 12 07:32:36 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:32:36 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A40@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Sinclair, I guess the only suggestion I can give you is try try again. Persistence will be the answer in this case. I don't think any other method would be suitable, you may risk head damage. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 8:24 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads Can any of you guys help? My Dragon is suffering from having had a tape played on it which shed copious quantities of oxide. I normally use isopropyl alcohol and cotton buds to clean heads etc. While the playback head seems to be fine (I'm having no problems with playback), there seems to be a stubborn brown residue on the reord and erase heads which won't budge. When I try to calibrate a tape, the right channel is way down on both level and bias, and this is equally noticeable on playback of test recordings. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks, Sinclair. PS The offending tapes are in the bin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 12 07:26:40 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:56:40 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth Message-ID: <000e01c1e1e2$a04c54a0$42d60192@vsnl> Guys have a look at this ebay item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2014426327&r=0&t=0&showTu torial=0&ed=1018662168&indexURL=0&rd=1 Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Apr 12 07:35:17 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:05:17 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads Message-ID: <001f01c1e1e3$d50cdba0$42d60192@vsnl> I usually use cotton cloth with isopropyl alhocol and physically rub them using a wooden backing { do not use any metal as it may damage the heads) - something like a wooden match stick. You can also use teflon or PP blocks or Nak cleaning tips ( those came with Dragon etc) which is basically plastic hard sponge. I found such a problem in CR7 after my son used some death metal band album ( I am joking about death metal as he listens to mostly such albums but some cassette of his is shedding brown oxide on even play heads and am yet to catch the culprit!) You can try Stephen' suggestion of MEK ( or paint thinner ) carefully as it may damage plastic parts. Also make sure of good ventillation if used Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads Can any of you guys help? My Dragon is suffering from having had a tape played on it which shed copious quantities of oxide. I normally use isopropyl alcohol and cotton buds to clean heads etc. While the playback head seems to be fine (I'm having no problems with playback), there seems to be a stubborn brown residue on the reord and erase heads which won't budge. When I try to calibrate a tape, the right channel is way down on both level and bias, and this is equally noticeable on playback of test recordings. Any suggestions gratefully received. Thanks, Sinclair. PS The offending tapes are in the bin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdevera at compuserve.com Fri Apr 12 08:25:30 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:25:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth In-Reply-To: <000e01c1e1e2$a04c54a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <005601c1e1ea$d8a0d3a0$0701000a@attbi.com> I laughed so hard, I almost choked on the cashews I was munching on. 28,284 views has got to be a record of some kind on eBay. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 10:27 PM To: naktalk Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth Guys have a look at this ebay item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2014426327&r=0&t=0&showTu torial=0&ed=1018662168&indexURL=0&rd=1 Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It's not so aggresive as ethanol or isopropylalcohol but more flammable!. regards, Thomas. Hi Sinclair, > > I guess the only suggestion I can give you is try try again. > Persistence will be the answer in this case. I don't think any other method would be > suitable, you may risk head damage. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 8:24 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads > > > Can any of you guys help? My Dragon is suffering from having had a tape > played on it which shed copious quantities of oxide. I normally use > isopropyl alcohol and cotton buds to clean heads etc. While the playback head > seems to be fine (I'm having no problems with playback), there seems to be a > stubborn brown residue on the reord and erase heads which won't budge. When > I try to calibrate a tape, the right channel is way down on both level and > bias, and this is equally noticeable on playback of test recordings. > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > Thanks, > Sinclair. > > PS The offending tapes are in the bin. > > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Fri Apr 12 12:24:14 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:24:14 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads References: <27038.1018606627@www24.gmx.net> Message-ID: <11617.1018607054@www24.gmx.net> >correction: in german it's describe not , sorry, Thomas. a non aromatic white spirit (test benzin in german) with low boiling-point(80-120°C) helps maybe?, (also for some kinds of plastic parts!, but be carefuly). It's not so aggresive as ethanol or isopropylalcohol but more flammable!. regards, Thomas. Hi Sinclair, > > I guess the only suggestion I can give you is try try again. > Persistence will be the answer in this case. I don't think any other method would be > suitable, you may risk head damage. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sinclair Forrest [mailto:thsinclair at localdial.com] > Sent: Friday, 12 April 2002 8:24 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads > > > Can any of you guys help? My Dragon is suffering from having had a tape > played on it which shed copious quantities of oxide. I normally use > isopropyl alcohol and cotton buds to clean heads etc. While the playback head > seems to be fine (I'm having no problems with playback), there seems to be a > stubborn brown residue on the reord and erase heads which won't budge. When > I try to calibrate a tape, the right channel is way down on both level and > bias, and this is equally noticeable on playback of test recordings. > > Any suggestions gratefully received. > > Thanks, > Sinclair. > > PS The offending tapes are in the bin. > > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 12 13:11:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:11:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads In-Reply-To: <001f01c1e1e3$d50cdba0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <000001c1e212$c6253360$4bf7883e@a4s1s2> It was once recommended to me to apply the Iso' with a finger tip. The Iso', it was said, would prevent any natural skin oils from being deposited, whilst the skin itself would act as a gentle abrasive. Tried it many times on the Aiwa's with no apparent ill effect bit daren't on the Nak's ... just in case! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 12 April 2002 06:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads I usually use cotton cloth with isopropyl alhocol and physically rub them using a wooden backing { do not use any metal as it may damage the heads) - something like a wooden match stick. You can also use teflon or PP blocks or Nak cleaning tips ( those came with Dragon etc) which is basically plastic hard sponge. I found such a problem in CR7 after my son used some death metal band album ( I am joking about death metal as he listens to mostly such albums but some cassette of his is shedding brown oxide on even play heads and am yet to catch the culprit!) You can try Stephen' suggestion of MEK ( or paint thinner ) carefully as it may damage plastic parts. Also make sure of good ventillation if used Kannan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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S" To: "naktalk" Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth > Guys have a look at this ebay item > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2014426327&r=0&t=0&showTu > torial=0&ed=1018662168&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > > Kannan > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From suedbahntom at gmx.net Fri Apr 12 18:02:20 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:02:20 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 References: <000a01c1e22f$a2bcb160$0101a8c0@steinfeld> Message-ID: <24217.1018627340@www28.gmx.net> >hallo Detlef, vielleicht bekommst Du sie unter http://support.naks.com/support username:naktalk, passwort:limited grüße, Thomas Hilfe, wo bekomme ich eine Gebrauchsanweisung für DR-1 her? > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 12 18:14:57 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:14:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth References: <000e01c1e1e2$a04c54a0$42d60192@vsnl> <003d01c1e221$cdc76700$af021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001e01c1e23d$e9c3f2e0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Did you search for 'polk', 'suck' or what, Kannan ? LOL !!! SM PS: bring any goodies from your last trip ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth For those of you bypassing this message, take the time to go to the link...you will greatly enjoy it!!! Thanks for the laugh Kannan! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: "naktalk" Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth > Guys have a look at this ebay item > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2014426327&r=0&t=0&showTu > torial=0&ed=1018662168&indexURL=0&rd=1 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 12 18:20:36 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:20:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE045@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <002201c1e23d$fb1dc840$4b289bca@smarzuki> My vote for best-bang-from-ebay-nak goes to BX 300 (no great recording facility though), LX5 is also great for playback, and CR4 has 'cool' calibration system for recording. Seems like naksters' favorite are old naks (be sure to send it to Stephen ... ) and CR7. And the 'if-you-can-only-have-one-deck' vote goes to Dragon. Here's quoting Stephen's fave list (again): > Your money is better spent, especially in the long > term durability, not just sonically, on an older Nak. My personal > preference order, from best downwards, is: 1000ZXL, 700ZXL/ZXE, CR-7(post > ser#A130-9500), Dragon, LX-5(have a nice one for sale), RX-505, 682ZX, > 680ZX, 682, 681, 680, 670ZX, 660ZX, 582Z, 582(have a fairly nice one for > sale), 482Z, CR-4, then any of the dual capstan 2-heads, then other CR, > DR, BX, RX & Cassette Deck series units. (the 'for sale' stuff must've been gone by now). I'm sure ZX9/7 would've ranked above LX5 as they're extremely similar, with the additional recording setup facilities found on ZXs. Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Dundis, Andy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] recording digital D'OH! Demagnify?!?!? I thought that didn't sound quite right. Anyway, will start with simple cleaning & demag along with further testing. If all else fails, will send in for repair, as I bought for next to nothing. I'm also looking for an add'l Nak for my stack. Would appreciate any recommendation on a model(s) for an audio enthusiast on a budget. Thanx all for your input & patience. village idiot ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Apr 12 18:48:28 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:48:28 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 References: <000a01c1e22f$a2bcb160$0101a8c0@steinfeld> Message-ID: <002801c1e241$df4e8060$4b289bca@smarzuki> Help ... Klaus .... Thomas ... Anyway there's a user's manual on naktalk ftp (but that's bedienungs anleitung ??), goto http://support.naks.com/support/ - user "naktalk", password "limited". SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Detlef Steinfeld To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Hilfe, wo bekomme ich eine Gebrauchsanweisung für DR-1 her? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Apr 12 18:55:41 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:55:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 References: <000a01c1e22f$a2bcb160$0101a8c0@steinfeld> Message-ID: <003001c1e242$e17dee10$3f756acf@johnnyrotten> 10-9 ----- Original Message ----- From: Detlef Steinfeld To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 Hilfe, wo bekomme ich eine Gebrauchsanweisung für DR-1 her? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suedbahntom at gmx.net Fri Apr 12 19:10:37 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:10:37 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 Message-ID: <22186.1018631437@www44.gmx.net> Hy y`ll, thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that pickup?!. grüße, Thomas. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 12 19:20:36 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:20:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital In-Reply-To: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE045@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <002701c1e246$5c1ee040$61e1193e@a4s1s2> LOL! No worries, mate - I knew what you mean such that I didn't even notice the error!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 12 April 2002 02:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] recording digital D'OH! Demagnify?!?!? I thought that didn't sound quite right. Anyway, will start with simple cleaning & demag along with further testing. If all else fails, will send in for repair, as I bought for next to nothing. I'm also looking for an add'l Nak for my stack. Would appreciate any recommendation on a model(s) for an audio enthusiast on a budget. Thanx all for your input & patience. village idiot --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 12 19:26:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:26:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth In-Reply-To: <001e01c1e23d$e9c3f2e0$4b289bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002f01c1e247$281c8e40$61e1193e@a4s1s2> Good question! I'd heard a rumour he searches the entire web for "suck" ! Not that I want to start any rumours ..... ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 12 April 2002 05:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] truth and nothing but the truth Did you search for 'polk', 'suck' or what, Kannan ? LOL !!! SM PS: bring any goodies from your last trip ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nakmaniak at yahoo.com Fri Apr 12 20:11:07 2002 From: nakmaniak at yahoo.com (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 01:11:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] recording digital References: <002701c1e246$5c1ee040$61e1193e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000f01c1e24d$6d09c300$4b289bca@smarzuki> Exactly ! I did in fact wrote the same word ... but that's good advice though, "making your Nak look smaller won't help". SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] recording digital LOL! No worries, mate - I knew what you mean such that I didn't even notice the error!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 12 April 2002 02:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] recording digital D'OH! Demagnify?!?!? I thought that didn't sound quite right. Anyway, will start with simple _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: ron [SMTP:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, 11 April, 2002 15:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper Jim Volpatti wrote: > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > I welcome your comments. > > Jim Volpatti Oh, dear... Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a 'scientific paper', from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 bucks (add $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft power cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to off load the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to show how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are skillfully mixed, in an attempt to convince that speaker cables (specifically, API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, what's the point? Those that do not have the Physics/Engineering/Audio savvy won't understand and those that do, already know exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there are those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker cables do make a H U G E difference (but only when they know beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the mere idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a difference, assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically designed hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us better put our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic difference. -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Apr 12 20:52:54 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 19:52:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper Message-ID: <01C1E25C.8C1A7FA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I made my first post after just reading the first paragraph of the referenced paper. On seeing Stephen's reply, I skimmed the rest of it. I think that Stephen is being uncharacteristically restrained - perhaps it's just the strain of having to agree with Ron for a change (LOL). The paper IMHO is just a collection of quasi-scientific gabble, without any convincing, persuasive argument that joins the pieces together to persuade the reader that the company has greater insight than the rest of us, or indeed a better product than its competitors. To illustrate - why don't we use copper central heating piping as speaker leads? And what kind of cables has Analysis Plus used to create their 'digital oscilloscope' picture? Analysis Plus shows a poor understanding of the issues governing the performance of its own product. On the basis of this paper, I would not touch its products with a barge-pole, and I would give the same advice to anyone who sought my opinion. Finally, it leads me to wonder what the word 'Plus' in the company's name means. Answers on postcard, please to... John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Thursday, 11 April, 2002 16:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper Brace yourselves- I actually have to agree, somewhat, with Ron on this one. Even I, as a cable-differences advocate, found too many holes & questionable things in the text. It really needs to be re-written. The major points that stick in my head- 1)They didn't actually explain, at least in any way that made any sense, how the hollow oval cable is better, especially compared to foil cables. In fact, the bit of explanation they attempted left one with the impression that foil cables are better. 2)They didn't make any attempt at all to explain how a hollow oval conductor can be flexible. Common sense tells me that such cable will be more prone to creasing & stress fractures. 3)They totally failed to point out the obvious fact that cable braiding enhances EMI/RFI rejection. Odd. 4)They revealed absolutely no info about the materials used by themselves & other makers. 5)They totally ignored Nordost-type cables, where thin, round conductors are in a multiple flat array. Strange, considering that Nordost is an obvious direct competitor. 6)Absolutely nothing brought up about shielding. I think that they could take a good lesson in writing support copy from Lou at LAT. If you read some of his stuff on latinternational.com, I think you'll find it is much more difficult to poke holes in, much more sensible to both tech & non-tech people & generally a much stronger presentation. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ron" To: Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can make an audible difference, I > > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > > > I welcome your comments. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > Oh, dear... > > Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a 'scientific paper', > from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 bucks (add > $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft power > cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to off load > the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? > > I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to show > how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are skillfully mixed, > in an attempt to convince that speaker cables (specifically, > API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, what's the > point? Those that do not have the Physics/Engineering/Audio > savvy won't understand and those that do, already know > exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there are > those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker cables do > make a H U G E difference (but only when they know > beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the mere > idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). > > To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a difference, > assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically designed > hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us better put > our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic difference. > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Apr 12 22:33:44 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:33:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 In-Reply-To: <22186.1018631437@www44.gmx.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412162300.0200f660@mail.verizon.net> Shure Ultra 500 Cartridge Type: Moving magnet. Microline stylus .0015 x .0030 in. Cartridge weight: 9.3 G Recommended tracking force: 1.2 G Recommended load capacitance: 250 pf. Freq. response (yeah, right) 10 Hz- 35kHz +/- .5 db Output at 1 kHz, 5 cm/sec lateral velocity: 3.2 mv Channel separation @ 1K: 27 dB Channel separation @ 10K: 20 dB List price in 1989: $400 Note: This is a thirteen year old cartridge. If the stylus hasn't been changed, it's pretty much guaranteed to be worn to a chisel and WILL destroy any record it plays. Have the stylus examined before using it. ________________ Marc Stager =============================== At 4/12/02, you wrote: >Hy y`ll, >thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, >a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that >pickup?!. >grüße, Thomas. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Apr 12 22:51:21 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 16:51:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper In-Reply-To: <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412164536.01ffb020@mail.verizon.net> At 4/11/02, you wrote: >You are so predictable, Ron. LOL > >By the way, Analysis Plus least expensive cable sells for $99 >for an eight foot pair. > >All I can say to those who are interested is compare their cables >to the competition and trust your ears. I've heard their cables make >improvements in systems ranging from $1000 to $50,000. > >Jim Volpatti =================== Jim, I came across this item which might be of interest to you. Although it is seemingly unrelated, I think you might find a few customers here for overpriced "high-end" cables: ............................... Psychology Today magazine tricked a group of 54 experts in Bordeaux, France, into praising a white wine that had been colored red. The experts believed it was a legitimate red wine because of its color, and never suspected a tasteless food dye had been added. The same experts were fooled a second time when cheap wine was poured into a pricey bottle. They praised it in glowing terms like "marvelous," "forward, but charming," "fruity," and "robust." When the same wine was served from its authentic bottle, they were not at all impressed, finding it "thin," "weak" and "too light." ............................... ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 12 23:36:00 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:36:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020412164536.01ffb020@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000c01c1e26a$0a315320$e39c193e@a4s1s2> I think doctors calls this "the placebo effect" ? Hypnotists, "suggestibility". Under hypnosis, I have smelled red roses that did not exist and felt no pain when a needs was stuck in my hand. People who suffer with an allergic reaction to pollen often develop the same symptoms when confronted with a vase of fake flowers that they believe are real because they have "learnt" to react when they see what does, or DID, cause a very real allergic reaction. The difficulty is knowing what IS really real and not just our perception of reality. I'd bet a hypnotist could make many of us believe we were listening to a $100,000 hi fi system when he played a CD in a boom box ... On the other hand, out of hypnosis, I'd bet ALL of us could tell the difference between the boom box and $100,000 hi fi system in any blind listening test ... even if the boom box were a Bose!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 12 April 2002 09:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: speaker cable white paper At 4/11/02, you wrote: You are so predictable, Ron. LOL By the way, Analysis Plus least expensive cable sells for $99 for an eight foot pair. All I can say to those who are interested is compare their cables to the competition and trust your ears. I've heard their cables make improvements in systems ranging from $1000 to $50,000. Jim Volpatti =================== Jim, I came across this item which might be of interest to you. Although it is seemingly unrelated, I think you might find a few customers here for overpriced "high-end" cables: ............................... Psychology Today magazine tricked a group of 54 experts in Bordeaux, France, into praising a white wine that had been colored red. The experts believed it was a legitimate red wine because of its color, and never suspected a tasteless food dye had been added. The same experts were fooled a second time when cheap wine was poured into a pricey bottle. They praised it in glowing terms like "marvelous," "forward, but charming," "fruity," and "robust." When the same wine was served from its authentic bottle, they were not at all impressed, finding it "thin," "weak" and "too light." ............................... ________________ Marc Stager --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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The Iso', it was said, would prevent any natural skin oils from being deposited, whilst the skin itself would act as a gentle abrasive. Tried it many times on the Aiwa's with no apparent ill effect bit daren't on the Nak's ... just in case! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S Sent: 12 April 2002 06:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads I usually use cotton cloth with isopropyl alhocol and physically rub them using a wooden backing { do not use any metal as it may damage the heads) - something like a wooden match stick. You can also use teflon or PP blocks or Nak cleaning tips ( those came with Dragon etc) which is basically plastic hard sponge. I found such a problem in CR7 after my son used some death metal band album ( I am joking about death metal as he listens to mostly such albums but some cassette of his is shedding brown oxide on even play heads and am yet to catch the culprit!) You can try Stephen' suggestion of MEK ( or paint thinner ) carefully as it may damage plastic parts. Also make sure of good ventillation if used Kannan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Apr 13 01:32:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:32:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Origin Live DIY TT Motor upgrade In-Reply-To: <003301c1e276$d2a2fdc0$a98fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <001801c1e27a$577d4700$e39c193e@a4s1s2> Anyone out there ever tried one of these? The motor or power supply on my PT TOO has just died. Unsaleable in such a condition, I am presuming! So, I'm contemplating upgrading the motor as the OL upgrade is reputedly better than having an LP12 Lingo'd. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.344 / Virus Database: 191 - Release Date: 02/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 13 02:43:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 18:43:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <22186.1018631437@www44.gmx.net> Message-ID: <003b01c1e284$30130d80$163442cf@sank1> The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a seriously great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > Hy y`ll, > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > pickup?!. > gr��e, Thomas. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Apr 13 04:15:56 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:15:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Origin Live DIY TT Motor upgrade Message-ID: <20020412.222957.-204111.2.josephj69@juno.com> Graham, I recall reading somewhere that the motors on the Pink Triangle tables are prone to die prematurely. Every time a PT table was mentioned in the article, it said: "... (be sure to buy an extra motor!)..." If this is a chronic problem with them, I would think the OL upgrade would do a lot to increase the value of the table. - Joe On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:32:42 +0100 "Graham Nelson" writes: Anyone out there ever tried one of these? The motor or power supply on my PT TOO has just died. Unsaleable in such a condition, I am presuming! So, I'm contemplating upgrading the motor as the OL upgrade is reputedly better than having an LP12 Lingo'd. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 13 05:32:18 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:32:18 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> <000401c1dfc8$e2529240$841a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00fc01c1e29b$d12bc740$163442cf@sank1> If either R227 or R228 is jumpered on the pb amp output, remove the jumper solder bridge. These are the pb response compensation jumper points. If neither is jumpered, then likely there is a cap going off value in the pb amp. I got the manual now, so let me know if there's anything else you need answered. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? > > Well now that RX is already working fine, i'll leave it like that ... until > the bx-for-parts arrives =). > > Stephen, if not too troublesome, can you give some idea why this 581 high > frequency is slightly upsloping / tilted on playback ? It happens only on > right channel (swapped the pb head cable and still tilted on same ch), so > it's supposedly on electronics. Recording result looks normal when played > back on other deck. > > I'm using generated sweep tone from 20hz-20khz and FR is a bit rising from > 1k relative to the other channel. Tried turning the pb 'bias trap' coil > (and returned it back !) without any effect. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? > > > I would say that that's all you have to do! Not by a longshot. You're > considering a very complicated task. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Apr 13 06:47:52 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:47:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 In-Reply-To: <003b01c1e284$30130d80$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Would a rega rb300 arm be suitable for this cartridge? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a seriously great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > Hy y`ll, > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > pickup?!. > grüße, Thomas. > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 13 07:38:49 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:38:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> <000401c1dfc8$e2529240$841a9bca@smarzuki> <00fc01c1e29b$d12bc740$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001001c1e2ad$bceaab40$46299bca@smarzuki> Thank you Stephen, neither pb comp. points was jumpered, i'll check the caps soon. BTW could you inform me the correct R473 resistor value ? That's the one located between reel motor and ground - which relates to generated heat on Q420 (2SA634). If i remember correctly, the voltage measured on "play" across that Q420 were -11.8, -4, and -3 when 2.2 ohm was installed on R473. The other governor, Q419 (2SC1096), was only warm to touch, and received slightly higher than specified voltage at +12.6. Could this voltage imbalance (+12.6/-11.8 instead of exact +/-12V) be the cause of extra heat on Q420 ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? If either R227 or R228 is jumpered on the pb amp output, remove the jumper solder bridge. These are the pb response compensation jumper points. If neither is jumpered, then likely there is a cap going off value in the pb amp. I got the manual now, so let me know if there's anything else you need answered. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 13 11:28:17 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:28:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581 References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> <000401c1dfc8$e2529240$841a9bca@smarzuki> <00fc01c1e29b$d12bc740$163442cf@sank1> <001001c1e2ad$bceaab40$46299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <012e01c1e2cd$8bfd7060$163442cf@sank1> R473, which is the overcurrent sensing resistor, should be 2.4ohms, but anywhere in the ballpark is fine. Q418 is the play/rec mode torque setting switch for the reel drive amp. The torque setting resistor on it is R468. If you want to add a take-up torque adjustment, replace R468 with a 10K trimpot, with a 1K resistor in series. This should solve your problem, unless something is wrong with the drive control circuitry. In that case, I can scan & email the mech control schematic to you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 > > Thank you Stephen, neither pb comp. points was jumpered, i'll check the caps > soon. > > BTW could you inform me the correct R473 resistor value ? That's the one > located between reel motor and ground - which relates to generated heat on > Q420 (2SA634). > > If i remember correctly, the voltage measured on "play" across that Q420 > were -11.8, -4, and -3 when 2.2 ohm was installed on R473. The other > governor, Q419 (2SC1096), was only warm to touch, and received slightly > higher than specified voltage at +12.6. Could this voltage imbalance > (+12.6/-11.8 instead of exact +/-12V) be the cause of extra heat on Q420 ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 & RX404!? > > > If either R227 or R228 is jumpered on the pb amp output, remove the jumper > solder bridge. These are the pb response compensation jumper points. If > neither is jumpered, then likely there is a cap going off value in the pb > amp. > I got the manual now, so let me know if there's anything else you need > answered. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 13 11:30:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 03:30:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: Message-ID: <013401c1e2cd$d14ad540$163442cf@sank1> I don't know the mass tolerances on the RB300, so I can't answer that. I can say the most SME arms like the Ultra500, though. And it gets on very well with the stock arm on the Yamaha PF800/PF1000 tables, which was the first setup I heard the Ultra500 on. Those are quite nice tables, by the way. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > Would a rega rb300 arm be suitable for this cartridge? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & > high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as > V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new > one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a seriously > great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, > significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Fischer" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > > Hy y`ll, > > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > > pickup?!. > > gr��e, Thomas. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sat Apr 13 13:53:50 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:53:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 In-Reply-To: <013401c1e2cd$d14ad540$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hi, The Rega RB300 can balance cartridges from 4-11g and was designed with a low effective mass for high compliance cartridges. This should make it suitable for a Shure V15 but I'm not sure about the Ultra? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 13 April 2002 10:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 I don't know the mass tolerances on the RB300, so I can't answer that. I can say the most SME arms like the Ultra500, though. And it gets on very well with the stock arm on the Yamaha PF800/PF1000 tables, which was the first setup I heard the Ultra500 on. Those are quite nice tables, by the way. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > Would a rega rb300 arm be suitable for this cartridge? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & > high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as > V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new > one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a seriously > great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, > significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Fischer" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > > Hy y`ll, > > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > > pickup?!. > > grüße, Thomas. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Apr 13 10:54:19 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:54:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Origin Live DIY TT Motor upgrade Message-ID: <01C1E2F3.1480CC00.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Sorry, but that is dead wrong. I am listening to wonderful sound produced by an eleven-year old, heavily used PT turntable (an Anniversary) as I type. And I bet that the sound will still knock spots off the Linn that I got rid of to buy the Pink. What you say may (or may not) be true about the cheaper PT TOO turntable, but you should not use that to universally criticise every product made by this company. They are small, make radical products and give great support to customers. They deserve some support back from users. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: josephj69 at juno.com [SMTP:josephj69 at juno.com] Sent: Saturday, 13 April, 2002 03:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Origin Live DIY TT Motor upgrade << File: ATT00014.htm >> Graham, I recall reading somewhere that the motors on the Pink Triangle tables are prone to die prematurely. Every time a PT table was mentioned in the article, it said: "... (be sure to buy an extra motor!)..." If this is a chronic problem with them, I would think the OL upgrade would do a lot to increase the value of the table. - Joe On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:32:42 +0100 "Graham Nelson" writes: Anyone out there ever tried one of these? The motor or power supply on my PT TOO has just died. Unsaleable in such a condition, I am presuming! So, I'm contemplating upgrading the motor as the OL upgrade is reputedly better than having an LP12 Lingo'd. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Apr 13 16:35:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:35:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 581 References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> <000401c1dfc8$e2529240$841a9bca@smarzuki> <00fc01c1e29b$d12bc740$163442cf@sank1> <001001c1e2ad$bceaab40$46299bca@smarzuki> <012e01c1e2cd$8bfd7060$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001401c1e2f8$91be0200$911a9bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Stephen. I'll try the 10K trimpot remedy ... other than 'feel the transistor heat' method and with no torque gage around, do you know of any 'nakamikaze' solution to find the ballpark torque setup ? What would be the most identifiable over/under torque symptom - let's say on BX type mechanism ? Thanks for the scan offer, but I still have the 582 manual from Wouter where the schematics should be approximately similar - R473 is written as 'fail-safe' 2.2 ohm on 582 (what rating is 'fail safe' anyway ? 1/4 watt or 1/2 watt ?) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 R473, which is the overcurrent sensing resistor, should be 2.4ohms, but anywhere in the ballpark is fine. Q418 is the play/rec mode torque setting switch for the reel drive amp. The torque setting resistor on it is R468. If you want to add a take-up torque adjustment, replace R468 with a 10K trimpot, with a 1K resistor in series. This should solve your problem, unless something is wrong with the drive control circuitry. In that case, I can scan & email the mech control schematic to you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Apr 13 18:06:46 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:06:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Origin Live DIY TT Motor upgrade Message-ID: <20020413.120647.-442405.0.josephj69@juno.com> Sorry, John, I was just going by my memory on what I read several years ago. In fact, it may well have been Oracle tables, and not PT at all. Nevertheless, my point was that a motor upgrade from OL may well increase the value of the table. - Joe On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 09:54:19 +0100 John Walker writes: > Sorry, but that is dead wrong. I am listening to wonderful sound > produced > by an eleven-year old, heavily used PT turntable (an Anniversary) as > I > type. And I bet that the sound will still knock spots off the Linn > that I > got rid of to buy the Pink. > > What you say may (or may not) be true about the cheaper PT TOO > turntable, > but you should not use that to universally criticise every product > made by > this company. They are small, make radical products and give great > support > to customers. They deserve some support back from users. > > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: josephj69 at juno.com [SMTP:josephj69 at juno.com] > Sent: Saturday, 13 April, 2002 03:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Origin Live DIY TT Motor upgrade > > << File: ATT00014.htm >> Graham, > > I recall reading somewhere that the motors on the Pink Triangle > tables > are prone to die prematurely. Every time a PT table was mentioned > in the > article, it said: "... (be sure to buy an extra motor!)..." If this > is a > chronic problem with them, I would think the OL upgrade would do a > lot to > increase the value of the table. > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:32:42 +0100 "Graham Nelson" > writes: > Anyone out there ever tried one of these? > > The motor or power supply on my PT TOO has just died. Unsaleable in > such > a condition, I am presuming! So, I'm contemplating upgrading the > motor > as the OL upgrade is reputedly better than having an LP12 Lingo'd. > > Graham > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ==------------------------------------------------------------------===== ==== > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Sat Apr 13 21:03:51 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:03:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads References: <20020413034900.66879738A@blr.vsnl.net.in> Message-ID: <001901c1e31d$f376f220$788fe2c3@a9u3z8> Thanks Kannan for that. I was wondering what else it could be if not dirty heads, but cleaning seems to be improving the situation - the offending tape did leave a hell of a lot of muck on the heads. Cheers, Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Kannan Srinivas To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: RE : Re: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads > > > > Sinclair > Sometimes there can be a problem on the bias circuit on one channel, like adjustment pot orcap going bad. So better check that incase this cleaning had not solved your problem. > Kannan > > > > At Sat, 13 Apr 2002 00:07:30 +0100, "Sinclair Forrest" wrote: > > Thanks for the advice guys. I've tried further cleaning and I think there's a gradual improvement. I'm getting more joy wih the right channel in calibration mode - not there yet, but hopefully persistence will pay off! > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:11 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads > > > It was once recommended to me to apply the Iso' with a finger tip. The Iso', it was said, would prevent any natural skin oils from being deposited, whilst the skin itself would act as a gentle abrasive. Tried it many times on the Aiwa's with no apparent ill effect bit daren't on the Nak's ... just in case! > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kannan. S > Sent: 12 April 2002 06:35 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cleaning cassette heads > > > I usually use cotton cloth with isopropyl alhocol and physically rub them using a wooden backing { do not use any metal as it may damage the heads) - something like a wooden match stick. > You can also use teflon or PP blocks or Nak cleaning tips ( those came with Dragon etc) which is basically plastic hard sponge. > > I found such a problem in CR7 after my son used some death metal band album ( I am joking about death metal as he listens to mostly such albums but some cassette of his is shedding brown oxide on even play heads and am yet to catch the culprit!) > You can try Stephen' suggestion of MEK ( or paint thinner ) carefully as it may damage plastic parts. Also make sure of good ventillation if used > Kannan > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brobruin at ida.net Sat Apr 13 23:14:33 2002 From: brobruin at ida.net (Rob Murphy) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:14:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fixing Scott Tuners Message-ID: <000e01c1e330$35fd1b80$c8b58dd0@a1b4x7> Hi Steve Sankin if this is you what is the chances of you fixing a Scott Tuner 350 B If so let me now at cjpj at allidaho.com and brobruin at ida.net. We both need some work done on these and have heard good things about you. Thanks Murph and Phil Ota. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suedbahntom at gmx.net Sun Apr 14 12:54:11 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:54:11 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 Message-ID: <8285.1018781651@www49.gmx.net> >thank`s marc for technical data. I`ve the opportunity to examined the stylus in our company. question: what is signifikant for a ?. my impatience leaded me to play my favorite records with the utra, all i can say, it sounds great, without any distortion!. beste grüße, Thomas. Shure Ultra 500 Cartridge > > Type: Moving magnet. > Microline stylus .0015 x .0030 in. > Cartridge weight: 9.3 G > Recommended tracking force: 1.2 G > Recommended load capacitance: 250 pf. > Freq. response (yeah, right) 10 Hz- 35kHz +/- .5 db > Output at 1 kHz, 5 cm/sec lateral velocity: 3.2 mv > Channel separation @ 1K: 27 dB > Channel separation @ 10K: 20 dB > List price in 1989: $400 > > Note: This is a thirteen year old cartridge. > If the stylus hasn't been changed, it's pretty much > guaranteed to be worn to a chisel and WILL destroy > any record it plays. > > Have the stylus examined before using it. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =============================== > At 4/12/02, you wrote: > >Hy y`ll, > >thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > >a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > >pickup?!. > >grüße, Thomas. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sun Apr 14 19:29:08 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:29:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 In-Reply-To: <8285.1018781651@www49.gmx.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414131212.01fe4d60@mail.verizon.net> The Microline stylus is a hyperelliptical shape - wide and flat, and it accurately traces the groove cut by the the cutting stylus, which is, literally, a tiny sapphire chisel. Diamonds are not used to cut records. Sapphires take a smoother polish, producing a quieter groove. Longevity is not the most important factor here, As long as the edges of your stylus are rounded, it will trace the grooves with relatively little wear, though more so than a more gently rounded conical stylus or a fatter elliptical stylus. The tracking low force of1.2 grams helps keep groove wear down. However, the same thing that makes it an accurate reproducer, ie, the resemblance to the cutting stylus, also makes it more prone to wear in a very destructive fashion; that tiny front-to-back dimension of only 15 mils can quickly wear at the sides reshaping the diamond into a very destructive tool - and you won't hear the effect until it's too late. Look for rounded edges. Any flat spots, replace the stylus. ________________ Marc Stager =============================== At 4/14/02, you wrote: > >thank`s marc for technical data. I`ve the opportunity to examined the >stylus in our company. question: what is signifikant for a >?. my >impatience leaded me to play my favorite records with the utra, all i can say, >it sounds great, without any distortion!. >beste grüße, Thomas. > > Shure Ultra 500 Cartridge > > > > Type: Moving magnet. > > Microline stylus .0015 x .0030 in. > > Cartridge weight: 9.3 G > > Recommended tracking force: 1.2 G > > Recommended load capacitance: 250 pf. > > Freq. response (yeah, right) 10 Hz- 35kHz +/- .5 db > > Output at 1 kHz, 5 cm/sec lateral velocity: 3.2 mv > > Channel separation @ 1K: 27 dB > > Channel separation @ 10K: 20 dB > > List price in 1989: $400 > > > > Note: This is a thirteen year old cartridge. > > If the stylus hasn't been changed, it's pretty much > > guaranteed to be worn to a chisel and WILL destroy > > any record it plays. > > > > Have the stylus examined before using it. > > > > ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 14 18:42:27 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:42:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c1e3d3$5cb73640$b34687d9@a4s1s2> It'd be okay with an Origin Live modified one - the counterweight is heavier by far than the original. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 13 April 2002 12:54 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 Hi, The Rega RB300 can balance cartridges from 4-11g and was designed with a low effective mass for high compliance cartridges. This should make it suitable for a Shure V15 but I'm not sure about the Ultra? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 13 April 2002 10:30 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 I don't know the mass tolerances on the RB300, so I can't answer that. I can say the most SME arms like the Ultra500, though. And it gets on very well with the stock arm on the Yamaha PF800/PF1000 tables, which was the first setup I heard the Ultra500 on. Those are quite nice tables, by the way. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tiberius Gaius" To: Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > Would a rega rb300 arm be suitable for this cartridge? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 5:43 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & > high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as > V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new > one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a seriously > great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, > significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Fischer" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > > Hy y`ll, > > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > > pickup?!. > > grüße, Thomas. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 14 18:42:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:42:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Technics SP1200 CD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001101c1e3d3$60061320$b34687d9@a4s1s2> Just acquired the ASC version of this player quite cheap (probably to sell on, although the sound is so different from the Rega it might actually make for a change every now and then!) Anyone out there know what ASC is and how this version of the player differs from the bog-standard one? Graham - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Apr 14 23:55:07 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:55:07 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 581 References: <001f01c1dd50$045fe480$4a289bca@smarzuki> <017701c1ddb2$7a1e2e40$063442cf@sank1> <001901c1de2d$fde7b540$5e289bca@smarzuki> <007e01c1de7f$d40b2e80$313442cf@sank1> <000c01c1dec0$4c1de800$56289bca@smarzuki> <00f101c1df0e$85eb2180$313442cf@sank1> <000401c1dfc8$e2529240$841a9bca@smarzuki> <00fc01c1e29b$d12bc740$163442cf@sank1> <001001c1e2ad$bceaab40$46299bca@smarzuki> <012e01c1e2cd$8bfd7060$163442cf@sank1> <001401c1e2f8$91be0200$911a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01f801c1e3ff$0bb71cc0$163442cf@sank1> They mean a metal oxide fusible resistor, but it ain't critical. Should be a 1/2watt. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 > > Thanks much Stephen. I'll try the 10K trimpot remedy ... other than 'feel > the transistor heat' method and with no torque gage around, do you know of > any 'nakamikaze' solution to find the ballpark torque setup ? What would be > the most identifiable over/under torque symptom - let's say on BX type > mechanism ? > > Thanks for the scan offer, but I still have the 582 manual from Wouter where > the schematics should be approximately similar - R473 is written as > 'fail-safe' 2.2 ohm on 582 (what rating is 'fail safe' anyway ? 1/4 watt or > 1/2 watt ?) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 4:28 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 581 > > > R473, which is the overcurrent sensing resistor, should be 2.4ohms, but > anywhere in the ballpark is fine. Q418 is the play/rec mode torque setting > switch for the reel drive amp. The torque setting resistor on it is R468. > If you want to add a take-up torque adjustment, replace R468 with a 10K > trimpot, with a 1K resistor in series. This should solve your problem, > unless something is wrong with the drive control circuitry. In that case, I > can scan & email the mech control schematic to you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Mon Apr 15 15:50:00 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:50:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <003b01c1e284$30130d80$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <10604.1018878600@www37.gmx.net> >yes, the replaycement-stylus for the ultra 500 is obtainable in germany. it`s the mentioned vn5mr(for euro=199,90). I've found another describe for the (ultra 500) replaycement needle: SH133!?. Is it the same as the vn5mr?, thank you Stephen and best regards, Thomas. The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & > high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as > V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new > one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a > seriously > great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, > significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Fischer" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM > Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > > Hy y`ll, > > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > > pickup?!. > > grüße, Thomas. > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I understand it is in good condition (I will check if their is interest). it is in south africa so it runs off 220V. regards Neal PS is mark hugo arround -----Original Message----- From: Brian Miller [mailto:brianm at grar.com] Sent: 15 April 2002 21:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi rx-505 I haven't been watching eBay, but $400 doen't sound bad...if anyone is looking for one. http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass &1024069941&2&3&4& ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 16 17:18:40 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:18:40 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <003b01c1e284$30130d80$163442cf@sank1> <10604.1018878600@www37.gmx.net> Message-ID: <02cd01c1e559$fe14a360$163442cf@sank1> The SH133 number sounds like a third party dealer/distributor designation. It does not follow Shure numbering conventions at all. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > >yes, the replaycement-stylus for the ultra 500 is obtainable in germany. > it`s the mentioned vn5mr(for euro=199,90). I've found another describe for the > (ultra 500) replaycement needle: SH133!?. > Is it the same as the vn5mr?, > thank you Stephen and best regards, Thomas. > > > The Ultra500 Shure is the one cartridge I lust for. It is a refined & > > high-mass version of the V15-VMR(now available, unchanged but for color as > > V15-VxMR). It uses exactly the same stylus assembly, so you can get a new > > one currently as a VN5MR(VN5xMR?) stylus if it needs one. It's a > > seriously > > great sounding cartridge, when used with an arm suitable for it's mass, > > significantly improving on the sound of the V15VMR. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Fischer" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:10 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > > > > > Hy y`ll, > > > thorens td126mkIII / sme3009III / shure ultra 500, > > > a dream comes true, but I`ve no idea where I can find infos about that > > > pickup?!. > > > gr��e, Thomas. > > > > > > -- > > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 17 01:30:39 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 00:30:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ASC In-Reply-To: <001201c1e4b5$54efa6d0$7f021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003a01c1e59e$b81a2840$085287d9@a4s1s2> Talking of Technics ASC as I was, here's an ASC cassette deck - anyone seen these before? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1345659993 Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.346 / Virus Database: 194 - Release Date: 10/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another thing: It uses a manual calibration system called RALF which is located on the right side inside a drawer which opens when you press the according button Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ Sie wollen mehr? Mehr Speicher, mehr Mail, mehr Erlebnis, mehr Leistung, mehr Prämie unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021102 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Apr 17 21:36:51 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 14:36:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] ASC References: <003a01c1e59e$b81a2840$085287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CBDCED3.00000A.02436@CopyTech> Hello Gra: Whatever it is, stay away from it. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:38:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ASC Talking of Technics ASC as I was, here's an ASC cassette deck - anyone seen these before? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1345659993 Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] reclame in Dutch > please, take a look at this: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~vrut/archief/Klassieke%20audio%20reclame/ > > what a pity, I don`t understand Dutch!. grüße, Thomas. > > > > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Wed Apr 17 21:24:47 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:24:47 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] reclame in Dutch References: <019601c1e640$128a3f30$22756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <24054.1019071487@www19.gmx.net> >I disagree with you there, because nakamichi -brochures, catalogs, datasheets a.s.o. are realy sparse today, aren`t it?, grüße :-)Thomas. It ain't much, mostly product brochure scans. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Fischer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] reclame in Dutch > > > > please, take a look at this: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~vrut/archief/Klassieke%20audio%20reclame/ > > > > what a pity, I don`t understand Dutch!. grüße, Thomas. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > > http://www.gmx.net > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 17 22:12:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:12:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: ASC In-Reply-To: <200204170712.g3H7C2v04154@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <001201c1e64c$2ebfa8a0$d2a8193e@a4s1s2> Thanks Klaus, I'm not thinking of buying (Carlos will be pleased to hear!) rather more curious as to the origins and of ASC as I had not previously heard of ASC, least of all their cassette decks. I am, however, still none the wiser about the Technics ASC SL-P1200, which I am guessing was probably a kind of re-badged, dual-branded Technics SL-P1200, although for the life of me I cannot imagine why they would dual brand it unless it was in some way (other than the badge!) different from the standard Technics SL-P1200. I can't speak for the standard model because I've not heard it but I can say the ASC version is a very fine machine indeed! Apologies for drifting OT, guys ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Klaus Fendt Sent: 17 April 2002 08:12 AM To: nak Subject: [naktalk] Re: ASC Graham, in former years there was a famous German HiFi supplier called ASC. It has nothing to do with any japanese supplier. They made this fine cassette deck you saw on eBay. It was about 1500 U$ or something like 3000,- German Marks. Also available there were several open reel machines (AS6002) and I also can remember a FM tuner. Every device had this yellow power button. The NR system in the AS3003 was Telefunken's HighCom, a later version called AS3001 has implemented a Dolby C system instead. If you are interessted in buying it I think I can find more tech. info at home. Another thing: It uses a manual calibration system called RALF which is located on the right side inside a drawer which opens when you press the according button Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emgaron at gmx.net Thu Apr 18 00:08:33 2002 From: emgaron at gmx.net (Thomas Ribbrock) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:08:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: reclame in Dutch In-Reply-To: <10524.1019066381@www18.gmx.net> References: <10524.1019066381@www18.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20020417220833.GA3267@esme.xs4all.nl> On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:59:41PM +0200, Thomas Fischer wrote: > please, take a look at this: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~vrut/archief/Klassieke%20audio%20reclame/ > > what a pity, I don`t understand Dutch!. grüße, Thomas. But Dutch is so easy for Germans... ;-) Groetjes, Thomas -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know how to quote correctly? http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come true!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ts140 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 01:48:34 2002 From: ts140 at yahoo.com (Tim S.) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:48:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR5A Question Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020417164524.02f45c50@pop.mail.yahoo.com> Hello All, Can anyone with specific info answer a question for me. Does the CR5A have the auto features like the CR7A does? When i say auto features i speak of the bias calibration, playback azimuth, and level calibration. Also what are the differences between the CR5 and the CR5A..thanks all for your information. Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 18 02:06:18 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR5A Question Message-ID: <20020418000618.16089.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> The CR-5A does not have any "Auto" features like the CR-7A. It's as manual as the BX-300. Here's a quote from the brochure. The CR-5A lets you adjust Bias for best recording. The CR-7A goes a giant step further with automatic adjustment of bias, recording level and playback azimuth for perfect recordings on virtually any tape formulation. You can check out the CR-5A/CR-7A brochure at the following address. http://www.geocities.com/p9019/nakamichi/nak_tds.html There really is no CR-5. It's just the CR-5A (for the US market) and CR-5E for everyone else. I think the only different is the 'E' has switchable 110/220 power swith on the back and maybe slightly different equalization on Chrome tape. I seem to remember something in the service manual that refers to the Nak SX-E Chrome tape when calibrating 'E' decks. Scott J. > > Hello All, > > Can anyone with specific info answer a question for > me. Does the CR5A have > the auto features like the CR7A does? When i say > auto features i speak of > the bias calibration, playback azimuth, and level > calibration. Also what > are the differences between the CR5 and the > CR5A..thanks all for your > information. > > > > Tim > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Thu Apr 18 07:58:55 2002 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:58:55 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ASC Message-ID: <200204180558.g3I5wtv25707@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Hi Carlos, sorry when disagreeing with you concerning the ASC-3000 tapedeck Graham has dicovered. During the time so called super tapedecks were available on the market the AS-3000 and the AS-3001 where state-of-the-art decks with a very fine manually adjustment possibility and the availability of HighCom in a top deck (AS-3000 only). Probably they were available in Germany or Europe only. The market forced ASC to build up the AS-3001 in order to have a Dolby C machine and unfortunately the didn't integrate the HighCom system in it, too. I never had the chance to listen to one of these ASC recorders but I think (remebering several tests) we can compare them with your beloved ReVox B215 (I'm not quite shute but I think they offer a 4-motor-drive, too) and the Nak ZX-9. If you are interessted I can collect more infos about the AS-3001 in an old special print of german HiFi mag "Stereo" called "Stereo Special Tape Deck Handbook". Klaus > > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ASC > > Hello Gra: >   > Whatever it is, stay away from it. >   > Carlos >   > -------Original Message------- >   > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:38:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ASC >   > Talking of Technics ASC as I was, here's an ASC cassette deck - anyone seen these before? > > Graham > ______________________________________________________________________________ Für alle, die nicht genug WEB.DE bekommen können. 100 MB Speicher, SMS Preisvorteil und noch mehr Kommunikation unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021101 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu Apr 18 08:30:00 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 08:30:00 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: reclame in Dutch References: <20020417220833.GA3267@esme.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <31741.1019111400@www17.gmx.net> >but I'm Austrian!! (Fiaker , Sissy, Kaiser Franz Josef, Lippizaner). grüße,:-)))) Thomas. On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:59:41PM +0200, Thomas Fischer wrote: > > please, take a look at this: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~vrut/archief/Klassieke%20audio%20reclame/ > > > > what a pity, I don`t understand Dutch!. grüße, Thomas. > > But Dutch is so easy for Germans... ;-) > > Groetjes, > > Thomas > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Want to know how to quote correctly? > http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html > Thomas Ribbrock | http://www.ribbrock.org | ICQ#: 15839919 > "You have to live on the edge of reality - to make your dreams come > true!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Apr 18 14:57:16 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 07:57:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] ASC References: <200204180558.g3I5wtv25707@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <3CBEC2AC.000001.02628@CopyTech> Hi Klaus: I have no doubts concerning the quality of the ASC. I was just thinking in parts and service availibility. Cheers, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 17:07:01 To: nak Subject: RE: [naktalk] ASC Hi Carlos, sorry when disagreeing with you concerning the ASC-3000 tapedeck Graham has dicovered. During the time so called super tapedecks were available on the market the AS-3000 and the AS-3001 where state-of-the-art decks with a very fine manually adjustment possibility and the availability of HighCom in a top deck (AS-3000 only). Probably they were available in Germany or Europe only. The market forced ASC to build up the AS-3001 in order to have a Dolby C machine and unfortunately the didn't integrate the HighCom system in it, too. I never had the chance to listen to one of these ASC recorders but I think (remebering several tests) we can compare them with your beloved ReVox B215 (I'm not quite shute but I think they offer a 4-motor-drive, too) and the Nak ZX-9. If you are interessted I can collect more infos about the AS-3001 in an old special print of german HiFi mag "Stereo" called "Stereo Special Tape Deck Handbook". Klaus > > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ASC > > Hello Gra: > > Whatever it is, stay away from it. > > Carlos > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:38:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ASC > > Talking of Technics ASC as I was, here's an ASC cassette deck - anyone seen these before? > > Graham > _____________________________________________________________________________ Für alle, die nicht genug WEB.DE bekommen können. 100 MB Speicher, SMS Preisvorteil und noch mehr Kommunikation unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021101 ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 18 18:38:44 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:38:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ASC Message-ID: Klaus, Just for the sake of knowing a little more about these decks, and ASC in general, I would like more information, especially more from the "Stereo Special Tape Deck Handbook". If there is no interest from others on Naktalk, reply off list to me. Without proper documentation, I wouldn't consider acquiring one of these units, but would like to know more about them. Thank you for offering to "collect" more information. Kent >>> kfendt at web.de 04/18/02 12:58AM >>> Hi Carlos, sorry when disagreeing with you concerning the ASC-3000 tapedeck Graham has dicovered. During the time so called super tapedecks were available on the market the AS-3000 and the AS-3001 where state-of-the-art decks with a very fine manually adjustment possibility and the availability of HighCom in a top deck (AS-3000 only). Probably they were available in Germany or Europe only. The market forced ASC to build up the AS-3001 in order to have a Dolby C machine and unfortunately the didn't integrate the HighCom system in it, too. I never had the chance to listen to one of these ASC recorders but I think (remebering several tests) we can compare them with your beloved ReVox B215 (I'm not quite shute but I think they offer a 4-motor-drive, too) and the Nak ZX-9. If you are interessted I can collect more infos about the AS-3001 in an old special print of german HiFi mag "Stereo" called "Stereo Special Tape Deck Handbook". Klaus > > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ASC > > Hello Gra: > > Whatever it is, stay away from it. > > Carlos > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:38:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ASC > > Talking of Technics ASC as I was, here's an ASC cassette deck - anyone seen these before? > > Graham > ______________________________________________________________________________ Für alle, die nicht genug WEB.DE bekommen können. 100 MB Speicher, SMS Preisvorteil und noch mehr Kommunikation unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021101 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Thu Apr 18 19:29:07 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:29:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... References: Message-ID: <007301c1e6fe$8ba850f0$c4021fac@brianm> Kent, I was able to open this thieving weasels Web site. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu Apr 18 19:19:36 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 10:19:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c1e6fd$37a3ca80$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> If u take out 'manuals.htm' out of the link below, it takes u to a another page w/ a link which also mentions copy write infringement. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Apr 18 20:38:55 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:38:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... References: Message-ID: <006101c1e708$4bfcfc30$1a756acf@johnnyrotten> No, same here, even with nakamichi removed I only got a screen with blackpudding written on it. I think one has to be English to understand the Black Pudding bit. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 18 21:03:31 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:03:31 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Message-ID: John, I'll take the bait; what is the significance of "Black Pudding"? Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/18/02 01:38PM >>> No, same here, even with nakamichi removed I only got a screen with blackpudding written on it. I think one has to be English to understand the Black Pudding bit. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From harshad at ameritech.net Thu Apr 18 21:25:50 2002 From: harshad at ameritech.net (Harshad Khatri) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:25:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Weasel ......... Message-ID: Looks like the weasel is a reader of our board. He seems to have removed ALL the links and files after he was reported earlier today. I certainly could access the site in the morning, but cannot do so now. I hope this is the last time we have to deal with this scumbag. Harshad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Apr 18 21:32:18 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:32:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... In-Reply-To: <007301c1e6fe$8ba850f0$c4021fac@brianm> Message-ID: I was sure that Mick had rid his web space of this idiot but I can't get the link to work? Are you sure it wasn't in a google cache or something? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 18 April 2002 18:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Kent, I was able to open this thieving weasels Web site. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Apr 18 21:35:08 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:35:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... References: Message-ID: <001801c1e710$26a69970$32756acf@johnnyrotten> >From the BBC radio show ''the Goons''. Great stuff, Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe, Spike Milligan, nothing to do with Nakamichi's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... John, I'll take the bait; what is the significance of "Black Pudding"? Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/18/02 01:38PM >>> No, same here, even with nakamichi removed I only got a screen with blackpudding written on it. I think one has to be English to understand the Black Pudding bit. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Apr 18 21:47:43 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 12:47:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... References: <007301c1e6fe$8ba850f0$c4021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <004301c1e711$e8408f90$3db5b742@pii366custom> What I get is a black screen with the message: "Following Complaints of Copyright infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed from this webspace. Please visit NAKS.com for your Nakamichi interests" --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Apr 18 21:27:02 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 20:27:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Message-ID: <01C1E71B.1934ABA0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> The link that John mentioned now says "Following complaints about copyright infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed this webspace", and recommends that you should go to Naks.com, which is the result that we all want. BTW: Please be clear that Nakamich is the copyright holder for the manuals on naks.com. (Unless Nakamichi has assigned it to Wouter, that is.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: John [SMTP:bjgrady at pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, 18 April, 2002 18:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... << File: ATT00063.htm >> If u take out 'manuals.htm' out of the link below, it takes u to a another page w/ a link which also mentions copy write infringement. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Apr 18 22:03:38 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 14:03:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... Message-ID: At last! sonthing on this site I know about! For the uninitiated, Black Pudding is a "delicacy from my area (NW/Manchester) of the old country. It is known over here in the USA by some of the colonials as "Blood Sausage". The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal intestines (real or synthetic). Pretty good actually...I love it Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Apr 18 22:16:27 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:16:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... In-Reply-To: <001801c1e710$26a69970$32756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: The webspace belongs to Mike at naked resource so he must be the Goon fan? The idiot with the nak problem has definately gone as his ftp account is dead (I checked with Mike). OK any more on black pudding? I'm not old enough to remember:) Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 18 April 2002 20:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... >From the BBC radio show ''the Goons''. Great stuff, Peter Sellers, Harry Secombe, Spike Milligan, nothing to do with Nakamichi's. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... John, I'll take the bait; what is the significance of "Black Pudding"? Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/18/02 01:38PM >>> No, same here, even with nakamichi removed I only got a screen with blackpudding written on it. I think one has to be English to understand the Black Pudding bit. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 18 22:30:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:30:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... In-Reply-To: <006101c1e708$4bfcfc30$1a756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000901c1e717$e8ce9000$82d6193e@a4s1s2> Indeed ... suggests said weasel is is/was resident of our fair isle to know what a Black Pudding is! (Probably English .... yer can't trust the English, can ye, Tooley! ;o) (So, I notice yer good Oirish name, begorrah!) Me, I'm descended from the glorious Gunn Clan ... G -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 18 April 2002 07:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... No, same here, even with nakamichi removed I only got a screen with blackpudding written on it. I think one has to be English to understand the Black Pudding bit. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 18 22:35:02 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:35:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001001c1e718$8450be40$82d6193e@a4s1s2> Aha! A fellow North Westerner, eh?! Me, too - I'm a Woolieback and Honorary Scouser ... as well as a blood sausage lover ... get thee self to (is it?) Bolton or Blackburn market for the black pudding sellers ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Bentley Sent: 18 April 2002 09:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... At last! sonthing on this site I know about! For the uninitiated, Black Pudding is a "delicacy from my area (NW/Manchester) of the old country. It is known over here in the USA by some of the colonials as "Blood Sausage". The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal intestines (real or synthetic). Pretty good actually...I love it Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. Ken --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Apr 18 22:41:54 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:41:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... Message-ID: Ken, Bloody good show! Kent P.S. You would probably do best in writing descriptions of the impossible-to-pronounce entree's in "atmosphere" type restaurants. Looking forward to reading some of your proofs. Won't be able to read the descriptions from the menus, since I don't darken the confines of that type of eatery. >>> kbentley at bnflinc.com 04/18/02 03:03PM >>> At last! sonthing on this site I know about! For the uninitiated, Black Pudding is a "delicacy from my area (NW/Manchester) of the old country. It is known over here in the USA by some of the colonials as "Blood Sausage". The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal intestines (real or synthetic). Pretty good actually...I love it Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu Apr 18 22:54:38 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:54:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mike is based in the NW of england so maybe that explains his choice of webspace name? Maybe not his taste in food though! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Bentley Sent: 18 April 2002 21:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... At last! sonthing on this site I know about! For the uninitiated, Black Pudding is a "delicacy from my area (NW/Manchester) of the old country. It is known over here in the USA by some of the colonials as "Blood Sausage". The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal intestines (real or synthetic). Pretty good actually...I love it Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Apr 18 23:58:24 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:58:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... Message-ID: I think that Bury is the "Mecca" for this. "Graham Nelson" rve.co.uk> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and owner-naktalk at naks.com has burroweddeep......... 04/18/02 02:35 PM Please respond to naktalk Aha! A fellow North Westerner, eh?! Me, too - I'm a Woolieback and Honorary Scouser ... as well as a blood sausage lover ... get thee self to (is it?) Bolton or Blackburn market for the black pudding sellers ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Bentley Sent: 18 April 2002 09:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... At last! sonthing on this site I know about! For the uninitiated, Black Pudding is a "delicacy from my area (NW/Manchester) of the old country. It is known over here in the USA by some of the colonials as "Blood Sausage". The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal intestines (real or synthetic). Pretty good actually...I love it Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. Ken --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 19 00:13:00 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 18:13:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... References: Message-ID: <3CBF44EC.935930EB@concentric.net> Ken Bentley wrote: > > [.......] > > The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or > other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in > blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg > barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal > intestines (real or synthetic). must be an acquired taste. Never had it and now (thanks to your enlightened description), never will. -- Ron > > Pretty good actually...I love it > > Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 19 00:22:49 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 23:22:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002001c1e727$927a1660$82d6193e@a4s1s2> Ah .... of course! I knew the name started with a B .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Bentley Sent: 18 April 2002 10:58 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... I think that Bury is the "Mecca" for this. "Graham Nelson" rve.co.uk> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and owner-naktalk at naks.com has burroweddeep......... 04/18/02 02:35 PM Please respond to naktalk Aha! A fellow North Westerner, eh?! Me, too - I'm a Woolieback and Honorary Scouser ... as well as a blood sausage lover ... get thee self to (is it?) Bolton or Blackburn market for the black pudding sellers ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Bentley Sent: 18 April 2002 09:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burroweddeep......... At last! sonthing on this site I know about! For the uninitiated, Black Pudding is a "delicacy from my area (NW/Manchester) of the old country. It is known over here in the USA by some of the colonials as "Blood Sausage". The stuff I know consists of the unpopular parts of a sheep/ cow/ pig or other (usually) herbivore mashed into an unrecognizable pulp soaked in blood (and/or other bodily fluids), adulterated with low grade grains eg barley, flavored with MSG or its precursers and stuffed into animal intestines (real or synthetic). Pretty good actually...I love it Now I'm off to start a career in advertising. Ken --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Apr 19 00:46:20 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 17:46:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Message-ID: John and all concerned, I think the reason Wouter's work has not been challenged, is because he does NOT charge anything for access to any of the information on naks.com. Unless Nakamichi would feel the satisfaction of getting this information to seekers of knowledge, was indeed payment, then there might be a problem from the folks at Nakamichi Land. Hopefully, the "weasel" has not thrown a monkey wrench into the works here. Then we might have to declare war on a different type of terrorist. Thanks, Wouter, for all the work you have done to keep naks.com alive. Also, I may regret this, but I decided to go with the 700ZXL, instead of the ZXE. Kent >>> john at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 04/18/02 02:27PM >>> The link that John mentioned now says "Following complaints about copyright infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed this webspace", and recommends that you should go to Naks.com, which is the result that we all want. BTW: Please be clear that Nakamich is the copyright holder for the manuals on naks.com. (Unless Nakamichi has assigned it to Wouter, that is.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: John [SMTP:bjgrady at pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, 18 April, 2002 18:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... << File: ATT00063.htm >> If u take out 'manuals.htm' out of the link below, it takes u to a another page w/ a link which also mentions copy write infringement. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri Apr 19 12:28:57 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 11:28:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep.........Nakamichi copyright issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The copyright issue is an interesting one, on my own site www.vinylengine.com I began posting rare manuals for turntables and tonearms a couple of months back. Since then I have had nearly 2500 visitors and nearly 800 downloads! I began to become concerned about copyright issues so I sent an email to one of the owners of the copyright material concerned and got his permission to not only continue hosting the files but he is sending me some older manuals which he himself no longer lists on his official site! I have since done this with Rega (thanks Graham) and again recieved their permission to use the images etc from their site. I am slowly going through my list of existing copyright owners asking for a similar arrangement, each time mentioning names of those who already contribute to ease things along. I would be gutted if anyone asked me to remove their files but so far so good! I would suggest Werner did the same thing, but I have a feeling that Nakamichi are now a faceless international company with many layers of management and little interest in its customers (except for trying to flog them some lifestyle system). Or am I being too harsh? Happy Nakking Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: 18 April 2002 23:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... John and all concerned, I think the reason Wouter's work has not been challenged, is because he does NOT charge anything for access to any of the information on naks.com. Unless Nakamichi would feel the satisfaction of getting this information to seekers of knowledge, was indeed payment, then there might be a problem from the folks at Nakamichi Land. Hopefully, the "weasel" has not thrown a monkey wrench into the works here. Then we might have to declare war on a different type of terrorist. Thanks, Wouter, for all the work you have done to keep naks.com alive. Also, I may regret this, but I decided to go with the 700ZXL, instead of the ZXE. Kent >>> john at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 04/18/02 02:27PM >>> The link that John mentioned now says "Following complaints about copyright infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed this webspace", and recommends that you should go to Naks.com, which is the result that we all want. BTW: Please be clear that Nakamich is the copyright holder for the manuals on naks.com. (Unless Nakamichi has assigned it to Wouter, that is.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: John [SMTP:bjgrady at pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, 18 April, 2002 18:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... << File: ATT00063.htm >> If u take out 'manuals.htm' out of the link below, it takes u to a another page w/ a link which also mentions copy write infringement. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Apr 19 14:30:24 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:30:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep.........Nakamichi copyright issues? References: Message-ID: <005601c1e79d$fb6f6d70$48756acf@johnnyrotten> Excellent, I'll try and find some Thorens / SME stuff I should still have. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep.........Nakamichi copyright issues? > The copyright issue is an interesting one, on my own site > www.vinylengine.com I began posting rare manuals for turntables and tonearms > a couple of months back. Since then I have had nearly 2500 visitors and > nearly 800 downloads! I began to become concerned about copyright issues so > I sent an email to one of the owners of the copyright material concerned and > got his permission to not only continue hosting the files but he is sending > me some older manuals which he himself no longer lists on his official site! > I have since done this with Rega (thanks Graham) and again recieved their > permission to use the images etc from their site. > > I am slowly going through my list of existing copyright owners asking for a > similar arrangement, each time mentioning names of those who already > contribute to ease things along. I would be gutted if anyone asked me to > remove their files but so far so good! > > I would suggest Werner did the same thing, but I have a feeling that > Nakamichi are now a faceless international company with many layers of > management and little interest in its customers (except for trying to flog > them some lifestyle system). Or am I being too harsh? > > Happy Nakking > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kent Merideth > Sent: 18 April 2002 23:46 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... > > > John and all concerned, > > I think the reason Wouter's work has not been challenged, is because he does > NOT charge anything for access to any of the information on naks.com. > Unless Nakamichi would feel the satisfaction of getting this information to > seekers of knowledge, was indeed payment, then there might be a problem from > the folks at Nakamichi Land. Hopefully, the "weasel" has not thrown a > monkey wrench into the works here. Then we might have to declare war on a > different type of terrorist. > > Thanks, Wouter, for all the work you have done to keep naks.com alive. > Also, I may regret this, but I decided to go with the 700ZXL, instead of the > ZXE. > > Kent > > > >>> john at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 04/18/02 02:27PM >>> > The link that John mentioned now says "Following complaints about copyright > infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed this webspace", and > recommends that you should go to Naks.com, which is the result that we all > want. > BTW: Please be clear that Nakamich is the copyright holder for the manuals > on naks.com. (Unless Nakamichi has assigned it to Wouter, that is.) > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John [SMTP:bjgrady at pacbell.net] > Sent: Thursday, 18 April, 2002 18:20 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep > ......... > > << File: ATT00063.htm >> If u take out 'manuals.htm' out of the link > below, it takes u to a another > page w/ a link which also mentions copy write infringement. > > John. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Kent Merideth > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:05 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep > ......... > > > Harshad, > > Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could > locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in > the > U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out > about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have > this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana > to those that share their knowledge. > > Kent > > > >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> > Fellow Nakheads, > > Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. > > Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm > > Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the > site > is up and running. > > Regards, > > Harshad Khatri > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Fri Apr 19 16:55:15 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:55:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Back on Topic Message-ID: OK Salim (or anyone), I need info on azimuth setting on my Cassette Deck 1. Following your instructions I adjusted the az knob and of course improved the playback sound. But what do I do now? will I have to adjust this for each tape? Should I "re-center" it after each use? Will it affect recording or othher tapes? Should/ can I re-set the head by the mounting screws inside the machine and put the knob back to its center (detent/green) position? Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 19 18:50:42 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:50:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Back on Topic References: Message-ID: <3CC04AE2.7E6670C1@concentric.net> Ken Bentley wrote: > > OK Salim (or anyone), > > I need info on azimuth setting on my Cassette Deck 1. I am not Salim, so I must be anyone :-). The following is general and applies to just about any 3 head cassette deck: > Following your instructions I adjusted the az knob and of course improved > the playback sound. But what do I do now? will I have to adjust this for > each tape? You shouldn't. If you adjusted it correctly, the head gap is now perpendicular to the tape path, which is the correct condition for *any* correctly recorded cassette. The procedure is to adjust the PB head for best response from a known correct cassette (such as a prerecorded cassette from a reputable manufacturer, or, better yet, an alignment cassette). The position arrived at is then the 'center'. > Should I "re-center" it after each use? Normally, this should not be necessary. The azimuth is supposedly centered now and the setting should now be correct for most tapes. The control is provided to allow correction for recordings whose azimuth is off. So, if you adjust it for one of those and then play a 'good' tape, you will need to readjust, to put it back where it belongs. > Will it affect recording or other tapes? No. You adjusted the PB head azimuth, which is completely separate form the REC head. > Should/ can I re-set the head by the mounting screws > inside the machine and put the knob back to its center > (detent/green) position? You will gain nothing and -- if you lack either an alignment tape or the expertise -- may actually make matters worse. -- Ron > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Apr 19 19:37:36 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:37:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: audio cables References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> <3CB6062D.62050654@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3CC055E0.55A878A0@earthlink.net> Dear Naktalkers, We are all here on this list to seek knowledge and truth about all things audio related. When I saw someone's post asking for information on DIY power cables and influence of the cable itself, I couldn't resist responding with a suggestion to borrow an after market cable to do some comparisons. After all, how else can we judge the worth of any audio component? As most of you know, I am a high end audio dealer but have absolutely nothing to gain by recommending a particular product, only the satisfaction of possibly bringing some of you closer to the music that we all love so much. Rather than trying to convince anyone that cables do make a sonic difference or that product A is better than product B, I have encouraged you all to go out and listen for yourself. If you hear a difference, great. If not, that is OK too. We can discuss things until we are blue in face here but it is only by actually auditioning products with an open mind that we can decide, once and for all, the relative value of any audio product. I expect that that controversial subjects, like cables, will come up for discussion from time to time here. It is only by discussing and debating these topics that we move towards our own truths. Please know that I will always debate fairly and respectfully, never trying to convince, only encouraging you all to listen and decide for yourself. Be well, my brothers (and sisters?). Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > You are so predictable, Ron. > > Thanks for the compliment, Jim. I *am* predictable. > Once an engineer, always an engineer. > > I addressed the 'white paper'. You issued a 'You > are' kind of response. Unfortunately, that, too was > predictable. > > > LOL > > I am glad you are so easily amused. Trust me, > you have nothing to laugh at. > > > By the way, Analysis Plus least expensive cable sells for > > $99 for an eight foot pair. > > > > All I can say to those who are interested is compare their > > cables to the competition and trust your ears. > > So what was the business of this 'White paper' all > about? If all you need is to trust your ears, why > do you need to read their patently dishonest crap > about skin effect, oval cables and the like? > > > I've heard > > their cables make improvements in systems ranging from > > $1000 to $50,000. > > And it was your choice to believe (or not believe) > what you heard. Some people believe that sound > improves after having traveled through silver wires > (after all, silver is more expensive, it's *gotta* > be better). Other people think their CDs sound > better after painting their edge with green ink or > demagnetizing them. Listen to such people and there > is no end to the claims you will hear. > > Personally, I tend to test such claims under the > harsh light of knowledge. Where I lack such > knowledge, I go seek it -- or reconcile myself to > not knowing. In any case, I *do not* accept the > say-so of a Sales Department -- I have worked with > enough of these guys an know full well how they > operate. > > If I thought you actually wanted to know, I would > take the time to explain. (Stephen has made a head > start, though he has just scratched the surface.) > I'll refrain -- I think this would be a waste of > perfectly good bits. > > -- Ron > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > ron wrote: > > > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > > For those of you that doubt that speaker cables can > > > make an audible difference, I > > > > welcome you to read the following white paper: > > > > > > > > http://www.analysis-plus.com/Pages/report981.htm > > > > > > > > I welcome your comments. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > Oh, dear... > > > > > > Another shameless sales pitch in the guise of a > > > 'scientific paper', > > > from an outfit that sells 6 ft. speaker cables for 670 > > > bucks (add > > > $100 per each blessed additional ft) and $267 for a 4 ft > > > power > > > cord. Of course, they need pseudo scientific 'papers' to > > > off load > > > the stuff, how else would they get the suckers to bite? > > > > > > I could dissect this 'paper' paragraph by paragraph, to > > > show > > > how truths, half truths and plain it-ain't-sos are > > > skillfully mixed, > > > in an attempt to convince that speaker cables > > > (specifically, > > > API's cables) are sonically superiour. Question is, > > > what's the > > > point? Those that do not have the > > > Physics/Engineering/Audio > > > savvy won't understand and those that do, already know > > > exactly what I am going to say. And, of course, there > > > are > > > those that "know", fer sure, fer sure, that speaker > > > cables do > > > make a H U G E difference (but only when they know > > > beforehand what cable they are listening to, since the > > > mere > > > idea of blind tests violates common sense :-) ). > > > > > > To be honest, maybe those speaker cables do make a > > > difference, > > > assuming one has the ultimate system, in an acoustically > > > designed > > > hall, plus the golden ears to discern it. The rest of us > > > better put > > > our hard earned money where it *will* make a sonic > > > difference. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ====== > > > =------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > > Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Apr 19 19:45:42 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:45:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: To Ron, an apology References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> <3CB6062D.62050654@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3CC057C5.E34FD61F@earthlink.net> Damn, this is the last time that I will take part in a controversial discussion (power cables) right before I leave town for a week and a half. Ron, I just wanted to apologize if my light hearted comment "You are so predictable, Ron. LOL" was taken the wrong way. I was only trying to offer a little levity in a debate that had become way too serious. Even if we disagree from time to time, I respect your engineering knowledge and value the information that you offer here. Jim Volpatti Ron wrote: > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > You are so predictable, Ron. > > Thanks for the compliment, Jim. I *am* predictable. > Once an engineer, always an engineer. > > I addressed the 'white paper'. You issued a 'You > are' kind of response. Unfortunately, that, too was > predictable. > > > LOL > > I am glad you are so easily amused. Trust me, > you have nothing to laugh at. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Apr 19 20:05:22 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:05:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: audio cables References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> <3CB6062D.62050654@concentric.net> <3CC055E0.55A878A0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00c901c1e7cc$c6b7e650$bf021fac@brianm> Hi Jim, I assume you have been away for awhile, hence the delayed response? Welcome back! I would say the majority agrees with you. The problem we usually end up with, every time this subject comes up, is that Ron vehemently disagrees that cables offer any, or little, sonic difference. I am sure you would agree that he is entitled to his opinion, which I have no problem with. But, it's pretty much a guarantee if this subject comes up, he will argue his beliefs and I would have to say that as many times as this has come up, his mind is not going to be changed, therefore it ends up in a never ending "discussion". On this subject though, I want to put a plug for the LAT cables that Stephen is so fond of. I have recently had great success with their cables. I easily preferred them over the JPS Superconductor 2 interconnect and Superconductor 2 speaker wire. And with a recent change in my system, I was able to use balanced interconnects again and found the LAT outperformed the XLO Ref 2 balanced IC I had also. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 19 21:05:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:05:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] .... copyright issues? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c1e7d5$2c367020$3d3887d9@a4s1s2> A fore I forget, Terry Bateman said he was going to speak to one of his colleagues about getting some pictures (etc?) of older and unusual Rega turntables for you. (He'd already spotted the Amstrad turntable on your site, which was made by Rega.) Terry's interest is more personal than professional, BTW! He's that kind of guy. Indeed, his passion for product-Rega is very personal because he's had a hand in the design of a great deal of their current range, some of which he created ground up. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 19 April 2002 11:29 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep.........Nakamichi copyright issues? The copyright issue is an interesting one, on my own site www.vinylengine.com I began posting rare manuals for turntables and tonearms a couple of months back. Since then I have had nearly 2500 visitors and nearly 800 downloads! I began to become concerned about copyright issues so I sent an email to one of the owners of the copyright material concerned and got his permission to not only continue hosting the files but he is sending me some older manuals which he himself no longer lists on his official site! I have since done this with Rega (thanks Graham) and again recieved their permission to use the images etc from their site. I am slowly going through my list of existing copyright owners asking for a similar arrangement, each time mentioning names of those who already contribute to ease things along. I would be gutted if anyone asked me to remove their files but so far so good! I would suggest Werner did the same thing, but I have a feeling that Nakamichi are now a faceless international company with many layers of management and little interest in its customers (except for trying to flog them some lifestyle system). Or am I being too harsh? Happy Nakking Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: 18 April 2002 23:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep......... John and all concerned, I think the reason Wouter's work has not been challenged, is because he does NOT charge anything for access to any of the information on naks.com. Unless Nakamichi would feel the satisfaction of getting this information to seekers of knowledge, was indeed payment, then there might be a problem from the folks at Nakamichi Land. Hopefully, the "weasel" has not thrown a monkey wrench into the works here. Then we might have to declare war on a different type of terrorist. Thanks, Wouter, for all the work you have done to keep naks.com alive. Also, I may regret this, but I decided to go with the 700ZXL, instead of the ZXE. Kent >>> john at jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk 04/18/02 02:27PM >>> The link that John mentioned now says "Following complaints about copyright infringement Naked Nakamichi has been removed this webspace", and recommends that you should go to Naks.com, which is the result that we all want. BTW: Please be clear that Nakamich is the copyright holder for the manuals on naks.com. (Unless Nakamichi has assigned it to Wouter, that is.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: John [SMTP:bjgrady at pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, 18 April, 2002 18:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... << File: ATT00063.htm >> If u take out 'manuals.htm' out of the link below, it takes u to a another page w/ a link which also mentions copy write infringement. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 10:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The weasel is alive and has burrowed deep ......... Harshad, Neither Netscape Communicator 4.78 or Internet Explorer 6.0.26 could locate this site on my connection via the campus servers. Has anyone in the U.S. of A. been able to open this page? Thankfully, I did not find out about this "theft" until after the site was taken down. I'm glad we have this community of "sharing" Nak users. Oblivion to the infidel(s), Nirvana to those that share their knowledge. Kent >>> harshad at ameritech.net 04/18/02 10:00AM >>> Fellow Nakheads, Despite impressions to the contrary, the weasel is alive and well. Check out: http://www.blackpudding.fsnet.co.uk/nakamichi/manuals.htm Apparently, only the "index page" has been blacked out, the rest of the site is up and running. Regards, Harshad Khatri ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri Apr 19 22:05:04 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 16:05:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: To Ron, an apology References: <001c01c1e105$2d6a1ea0$42d60192@vsnl> <3CB53951.6E69BF78@earthlink.net> <3CB596C9.E8DBF1B8@rcn.com> <3CB5AF22.A9C18400@earthlink.net> <3CB6062D.62050654@concentric.net> <3CC057C5.E34FD61F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CC07870.547D6FDE@concentric.net> No offense taken, Jim. I hope you feel the same. As you know, our hobby is very subjective, not to mention, emotional. Whenever this, or similar, subject comes up, you and I are invariably at the two extremes, repeating opinions we have voiced before. I am sure people sitting on your side of the fence think I am way too vociferous and I know for sure that people that agree with my point of view think the same of you (generic 'you' - not personal). Luckily, we are all civilized here and do not have to resort to the 'You are so and so' type of discourse practiced on the newsgroups. I suspect the main disagreement between the 'Engineers' and 'Believers' points of view stems from the engineer's belief that any tweak that is audible, must also be measurable. Believers argue that nuances can be so delicate that, even though audible, cannot affect even the most sensitive instrument. It is impossible to explain the fallacy of this opinion to one that has no knowledge of the physical side of sound, electrical signals, how the ears work and what measuring instruments do. Until the believer takes the time to learn these topics (it doesn't take a Ph.D., just rudimentary understanding) a more meaningful conversation is possible. Until then, I hope we'll all remain friends here. Regards, -- Ron Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Damn, this is the last time that I will take part in a controversial discussion (power > cables) right before I leave town for a week and a half. > > Ron, I just wanted to apologize if my light hearted comment "You are so predictable, > Ron. LOL" was taken the wrong way. I was only trying to offer a little levity in a > debate that had become way too serious. Even if we disagree from time to time, I respect > your engineering knowledge and value the information that you offer here. > > Jim Volpatti > > Ron wrote: > > > Jim Volpatti wrote: > > > > > > You are so predictable, Ron. > > > > Thanks for the compliment, Jim. I *am* predictable. > > Once an engineer, always an engineer. > > > > I addressed the 'white paper'. You issued a 'You > > are' kind of response. Unfortunately, that, too was > > predictable. > > > > > LOL > > > > I am glad you are so easily amused. Trust me, > > you have nothing to laugh at. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at cox.net Sat Apr 20 04:58:51 2002 From: csteele at cox.net (Christopher) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 19:58:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Squeeeeaky cassette(s) References: <20020418000618.16089.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CC0D96B.A07D2AFE@cox.net> Pardon me for not paying more attention. This problem must have addressed hundreds of times, but ... what do you do when you have cassettes that get 'squeeeeeeeeeaky'? I don't think its my machine (an RX-505) but the 'hubs' of certain tapes themselves. (In the instances where this happens, the tape if fine for however long, then ... squeeeeeeeeeeeK!) What do I do about it, or if I'm wrong about the 'local' of the 'squeak,' please correct me. Christopher A. Steele San Diego, California ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Apr 20 05:04:43 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:04:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Squeeeeaky cassette(s) References: <20020418000618.16089.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> <3CC0D96B.A07D2AFE@cox.net> Message-ID: <3CC0DACA.EC4D3D7C@snet.net> This may very likely be a problem related to the binder of the actual tape breaking down. I've seen this rarely on better quality tapes, but had a number of old pre-recorded tapes that would squeal very badly due to to the "stick-tion" of the tape itself as it passed by the heads. Interestingly, this squeal has often been transferred permanently to the recording itself... I'd love to know exactly how this process of self recording occurs. Anyway, this may well be the cause of the problem, particularly if the tapes that do this are older or have lived under adverse conditions. Ed Christopher wrote: > Pardon me for not paying more attention. This problem must have > addressed hundreds of times, but ... what do you do when you have > cassettes that get 'squeeeeeeeeeaky'? I don't think its my > machine > (an RX-505) but the 'hubs' of certain tapes themselves. (In the > instances where this happens, the tape if fine for however long, > then ... squeeeeeeeeeeeK!) What do I do about it, or if I'm wrong > about the 'local' of the 'squeak,' please correct me. > > Christopher A. Steele > San Diego, California > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat Apr 20 06:35:25 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:05:25 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] 1000zxl for 700$ Message-ID: <000101c1e824$cb25bfc0$42d60192@vsnl> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1347491844 The above 1000ZXL with may be little work for Stephen for buy it now price of less than 700$!!! Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From amflores at vetor.com.br Sat Apr 20 10:48:51 2002 From: amflores at vetor.com.br (Alberto Flores) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 05:48:51 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420054605.02b11dd0@pop.vetor.com.br> Hello, I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some other related parts. I beg for help on: -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view and corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, or -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. Any help will be much appreciated. Regards, Alberto Flores ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sat Apr 20 15:19:18 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:19:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Squeeeeaky cassette(s) References: <20020418000618.16089.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> <3CC0D96B.A07D2AFE@cox.net> <3CC0DACA.EC4D3D7C@snet.net> Message-ID: <3CC16AD6.B92617D7@concentric.net> Ed Noyes wrote: > > This may very likely be a problem related to the binder of the actual tape breaking > down. I've seen this rarely on better quality tapes, but had a number of old > pre-recorded tapes that would squeal very badly due to to the "stick-tion" of the tape > itself as it passed by the heads. Interestingly, this squeal has often been > transferred permanently to the recording itself... I'd love to know exactly how this > process of self recording occurs. Anyway, this may well be the cause of the problem, > particularly if the tapes that do this are older or have lived under adverse > conditions. > > Ed > > Christopher wrote: > > > Pardon me for not paying more attention. This problem must have > > addressed hundreds of times, but ... what do you do when you have > > cassettes that get 'squeeeeeeeeeaky'? I don't think its my > > machine > > (an RX-505) but the 'hubs' of certain tapes themselves. (In the > > instances where this happens, the tape if fine for however long, > > then ... squeeeeeeeeeeeK!) What do I do about it, or if I'm wrong > > about the 'local' of the 'squeak,' please correct me. > > > > Christopher A. Steele > > San Diego, California This has happened to me several times, all on pre-recorded tapes, all from front-line companies, such as RCA, DG and angel. I also noted that the squeal may start mechanical, but then becomes electrical. Took me some time, but I finally found a cure: I threw the offending cassettes away. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Apr 20 22:06:48 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 14:06:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420054605.02b11dd0@pop.vetor.com.br> Message-ID: <05d001c1e8a6$e839c5c0$163442cf@sank1> The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com ftp site. Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ with username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the list to download "gearmod.pdf". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Flores" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > Hello, > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some other > related parts. > > I beg for help on: > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view and > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, or > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Regards, > Alberto Flores > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From RUINTHERE at aol.com Sun Apr 21 02:10:26 2002 From: RUINTHERE at aol.com (RUINTHERE at aol.com) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 20:10:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2169 Message-ID: <117.1051e811.29f35d72@aol.com> In a message dated 4/20/02 5:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: I think I wrote about htis before, but I had a bunch of BASF studio cassewtts back in the 70's I taped. They were notoriuos for the problem you mention. Not wanting to lose the music I had on them, I worked long and hard to find a solution. What I finally discovered was it seemed to be the coating on the sheets between the tape qand the casseet body was the culprit. The solution I used was to remove the good recorded tape and put it in a new cassette hoousing. All new parts except for the tape. I did this one by one on the tapes I just wanted to dub, on the good ones I left them in a new housing. Worked for me. Richard > > Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:19:18 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Squeeeeaky cassette(s) > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > This may very likely be a problem related to the binder of the actual > tape breaking > > down. I've seen this rarely on better quality tapes, but had a number of > old > > pre-recorded tapes that would squeal very badly due to to the > "stick-tion" of the tape > > itself as it passed by the heads. Interestingly, this squeal has often > been > > transferred permanently to the recording itself... I'd love to know > exactly how this > > process of self recording occurs. Anyway, this may well be the cause of > the problem, > > particularly if the tapes that do this are older or have lived under > adverse > > conditions. > > > > Ed > > > > Christopher wrote: > > > > > Pardon me for not paying more attention. This problem must have > > > addressed hundreds of times, but ... what do you do when you have > > > cassettes that get 'squeeeeeeeeeaky'? I don't think its my > > > machine > > > (an RX-505) but the 'hubs' of certain tapes themselves. (In the > > > instances where this happens, the tape if fine for however long, > > > then ... squeeeeeeeeeeeK!) What do I do about it, or if I'm wrong > > > about the 'local' of the 'squeak,' please correct me. > > > > > > Christopher A. Steele > > > San Diego, California > > This has happened to me several times, all on pre-recorded > tapes, all from front-line companies, such as RCA, DG and > angel. I also noted that the squeal may start mechanical, > but then becomes electrical. > > Took me some time, but I finally found a cure: I threw the > offending cassettes away. > > - -- Ron > "Tigers older brother DAG" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amflores at vetor.com.br Sun Apr 21 10:38:30 2002 From: amflores at vetor.com.br (Alberto Flores) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 05:38:30 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A In-Reply-To: <05d001c1e8a6$e839c5c0$163442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420054605.02b11dd0@pop.vetor.com.br> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020421053051.03011170@pop.vetor.com.br> Hello Stephen At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: Thank you so much for your great help. I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. Concerning the parts, where can I order them? I'll pay with my MC card. I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be delivered to. Again, many thanks. Cheers, Alberto Flores >The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear >upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com >ftp site. Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ >with username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the >list to download "gearmod.pdf". > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alberto Flores" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > Hello, > > > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > > technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. > > > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some other > > related parts. > > > > I beg for help on: > > > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view and > > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, or > > > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Alberto Flores > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Apr 21 16:40:46 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:40:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Back on Topic References: <3CC04AE2.7E6670C1@concentric.net> Message-ID: <008a01c1e942$8932b680$a6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ken, Sorry for the late reply, just got back home from a (much needed :-) leave. If i remember correctly your CD1 'problem' was on recording where it lost some 'minutes of sharpness', right ? To make sure that your current playback gear setting is OK or left unchanged by nak service, you can try playing back tapes which was recorded on it *before* your deck went to service, and see if the 'sharpness' still exist at center detent trim (easier to hear in mono, if your preamp has such switch). If it is so, then internal rec azimuth need to be trimmed. Somehow i think in your case it was the pb azimuth gear that was slightly moved in the process of mechanism repair and of course you can re-set the pb head / trim detent relative position as you mentioned - but be warned with what Ron said below. Just remember to 'dot-mark' the internal azimuth gears' position at the notch to return it back to current position whenever you're in doubt ! Good luck, Salim SM PS: the unofficial method to set *record* azimuth trim is by trimming slowly the leftmost gear while recording and listening at 'tape' position to find the best 'sharpness' (not the center / height gear !! download a sample of 3-head-deck pdf if you don't have any). This will affect your recording result permanently. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Back on Topic Ken Bentley wrote: > > OK Salim (or anyone), > > I need info on azimuth setting on my Cassette Deck 1. I am not Salim, so I must be anyone :-). The following is general and applies to just about any 3 head cassette deck: > Following your instructions I adjusted the az knob and of course improved > the playback sound. But what do I do now? will I have to adjust this for > each tape? You shouldn't. If you adjusted it correctly, the head gap is now perpendicular to the tape path, which is the correct condition for *any* correctly recorded cassette. The procedure is to adjust the PB head for best response from a known correct cassette (such as a prerecorded cassette from a reputable manufacturer, or, better yet, an alignment cassette). The position arrived at is then the 'center'. > Should I "re-center" it after each use? Normally, this should not be necessary. The azimuth is supposedly centered now and the setting should now be correct for most tapes. The control is provided to allow correction for recordings whose azimuth is off. So, if you adjust it for one of those and then play a 'good' tape, you will need to readjust, to put it back where it belongs. > Will it affect recording or other tapes? No. You adjusted the PB head azimuth, which is completely separate form the REC head. > Should/ can I re-set the head by the mounting screws > inside the machine and put the knob back to its center > (detent/green) position? You will gain nothing and -- if you lack either an alignment tape or the expertise -- may actually make matters worse. -- Ron > Ken > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Apr 21 16:46:15 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:46:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2169 References: <117.1051e811.29f35d72@aol.com> Message-ID: <008b01c1e943$4a6b2120$a6299bca@smarzuki> I also have an old squeeeeaky 'Scotch' chrome tape which backing apparently fell apart and stick to any stationery cass shell guides (and made the screechy noise). Transferring the tape to another shell only lasted 2 plays before it gets as squeaky ... have to agree that a 'backup' is the only alternative (prior to trash bin solution :-). SM ----- Original Message ----- From: RUINTHERE at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2169 In a message dated 4/20/02 5:06:52 PM Central Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: I think I wrote about htis before, but I had a bunch of BASF studio cassewtts back in the 70's I taped. They were notoriuos for the problem you mention. Not wanting to lose the music I had on them, I worked long and hard to find a solution. What I finally discovered was it seemed to be the coating on the sheets between the tape qand the casseet body was the culprit. The solution I used was to remove the good recorded tape and put it in a new cassette hoousing. All new parts except for the tape. I did this one by one on the tapes I just wanted to dub, on the good ones I left them in a new housing. Worked for me. Richard Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 09:19:18 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Squeeeeaky cassette(s) Ed Noyes wrote: > > This may very likely be a problem related to the binder of the actual tape breaking > down. I've seen this rarely on better quality tapes, but had a number of old > pre-recorded tapes that would squeal very badly due to to the "stick-tion" of the tape > itself as it passed by the heads. Interestingly, this squeal has often been > transferred permanently to the recording itself... I'd love to know exactly how this > process of self recording occurs. Anyway, this may well be the cause of the problem, > particularly if the tapes that do this are older or have lived under adverse > conditions. > > Ed > > Christopher wrote: > > > Pardon me for not paying more attention. This problem must have > > addressed hundreds of times, but ... what do you do when you have > > cassettes that get 'squeeeeeeeeeaky'? I don't think its my > > machine > > (an RX-505) but the 'hubs' of certain tapes themselves. (In the > > instances where this happens, the tape if fine for however long, > > then ... squeeeeeeeeeeeK!) What do I do about it, or if I'm wrong > > about the 'local' of the 'squeak,' please correct me. > > > > Christopher A. Steele > > San Diego, California This has happened to me several times, all on pre-recorded tapes, all from front-line companies, such as RCA, DG and angel. I also noted that the squeal may start mechanical, but then becomes electrical. Took me some time, but I finally found a cure: I threw the offending cassettes away. - -- Ron "Tigers older brother DAG" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Apr 21 16:49:08 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:49:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420054605.02b11dd0@pop.vetor.com.br> <5.1.0.14.0.20020421053051.03011170@pop.vetor.com.br> Message-ID: <008c01c1e943$b1abee00$a6299bca@smarzuki> Hi Naktalkers, I find it (not-so) interesting that this gear-driven CR7 recently acted just like it has rubber idler inside ! When C-90 tape almost reaches its end, sometimes the deck stopped. The "SS" solution of spray 'n' twist silicone to reel motor's holes indeed helped, probably the brush got dirty. But it's a big dissapointment that while old naks are still chugging along, this 'new' CR7 already sputtered. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Flores To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A Hello Stephen At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: Thank you so much for your great help. I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. Concerning the parts, where can I order them? I'll pay with my MC card. I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be delivered to. Again, many thanks. Cheers, Alberto Flores The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com ftp site. Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ with username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the list to download "gearmod.pdf". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Flores" To: Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > Hello, > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some other > related parts. > > I beg for help on: > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view and > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, or > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > Regards, > Alberto Flores > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From csteele at cox.net Sun Apr 21 18:33:34 2002 From: csteele at cox.net (Christopher) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 09:33:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes References: <117.1051e811.29f35d72@aol.com> <008b01c1e943$4a6b2120$a6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CC2E9DE.FEC838F0@cox.net> I'm not positive of the actual quality of the TAPE or shells used, but they are quality 'producers' (e.g., Capital/Sinatra, Verve), so I'm a bit ... irked about this. ("Quality' tapes, the best possible brand of deck, and you oft find yourself having to throw your collection away? Sheesh!) Garnered from all your comments (and THANK you for those) I guess the best possible solution (in the hope that the squeak hasn't yet transferred to the tape) is to transfer the offending tapes to new shells and then IMMEDIATELY make backups, eh? (And, I guess, backups of the backups.) Anyone know of any good source of new (quality) shells? Christopher ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From amflores at vetor.com.br Sun Apr 21 21:44:25 2002 From: amflores at vetor.com.br (Alberto Flores) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:44:25 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A In-Reply-To: <008c01c1e943$b1abee00$a6299bca@smarzuki> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420054605.02b11dd0@pop.vetor.com.br> <5.1.0.14.0.20020421053051.03011170@pop.vetor.com.br> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020421164150.0289fec0@pop.vetor.com.br> Hello Salim, At 21/4/2002 +0700, you wrote: Your CR-7 has a similar problem as mine. But my old and reliable ZX-7 is still doing his job, as new. Regards, Flores >Hi Naktalkers, > >I find it (not-so) interesting that this gear-driven CR7 recently acted just >like it has rubber idler inside ! When C-90 tape almost reaches its end, >sometimes the deck stopped. The "SS" solution of spray 'n' twist silicone >to reel motor's holes indeed helped, probably the brush got dirty. But it's >a big dissapointment that while old naks are still chugging along, this >'new' CR7 already sputtered. > >Cheers, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alberto Flores >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 3:38 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > >Hello Stephen >At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Thank you so much for your great help. >I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my >technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. >Concerning the parts, where can I order them? >I'll pay with my MC card. >I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be delivered to. >Again, many thanks. > >Cheers, >Alberto Flores > > >The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear >upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com >ftp site. Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ >with username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the >list to download "gearmod.pdf". > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Alberto Flores" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > Hello, > > > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > > technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. > > > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some other > > related parts. > > > > I beg for help on: > > > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view and > > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, or > > > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > Regards, > > Alberto Flores > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Apr 22 00:56:05 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:56:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Greetings (& RX-505 Request) Message-ID: Greetings, I'm an old NakTalker from the late '90s, decided to come back to visit the group. Do any of the oldsters remember me? My main reason for connecting is to ask if anyone has an RX-505 service manual that they might consider sharing. Also, are there any manuals available on the Naks.Com FTP site? Thanks, and keep on NakTalking.... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Apr 22 04:15:51 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:15:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Greetings (& RX-505 Request) References: Message-ID: <3CC37256.A1199343@snet.net> Hey BlueSwapper! Good to hear from you again... I thought you had dropped off the face of the planet. There are still a few of us old timers like Carlos, Graham, Stephen, Salim, etc carrying on the torch so to speak. While I haven't checked the server recently, there is a quite a collection available. It's good to have you back! Ed The BlueSwapper wrote: > Greetings, I'm an old NakTalker from the late '90s, decided to come back to visit the group. Do any of the oldsters remember me? > > My main reason for connecting is to ask if anyone has an RX-505 service manual that they might consider sharing. Also, are there any manuals available on the Naks.Com FTP site? > > Thanks, and keep on NakTalking.... > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wi USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Apr 22 06:42:44 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 00:42:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Greetings (& RX-505 Request) Message-ID: <6FACE928.74C09FF2.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, BlueSwapper, RX-505 service manual is available on support.naks.com/support in djvu-format: /manuals/service/english. Welcome back, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Apr 22 07:04:54 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:04:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A Message-ID: <10ab1b0cb.b0cb10ab1@indosat.net.id> Hi Alberto, does your CR7 also has gear drive ? (you can check by opening the black plate behind cassette well) If it's gear driven then you can try that spray 'n' twist method (carefully), it worked for me. If it has rubber idler then you can replace the rubber wheel and it'll be good for another 1-2 yrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto Flores Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:44 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > Hello Salim, > At 21/4/2002 +0700, you wrote: > > Your CR-7 has a similar problem as mine. > But my old and reliable ZX-7 is still doing his job, as new. > Regards, > Flores > > >Hi Naktalkers, > > > >I find it (not-so) interesting that this gear-driven CR7 recently > acted just > >like it has rubber idler inside ! When C-90 tape almost reaches > its end, > >sometimes the deck stopped. The "SS" solution of spray 'n' twist > silicone>to reel motor's holes indeed helped, probably the brush > got dirty. But it's > >a big dissapointment that while old naks are still chugging > along, this > >'new' CR7 already sputtered. > > > >Cheers, > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Alberto Flores > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 3:38 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > > >Hello Stephen > >At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Thank you so much for your great help. > >I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my > >technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. > >Concerning the parts, where can I order them? > >I'll pay with my MC card. > >I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be > delivered to. > >Again, many thanks. > > > >Cheers, > >Alberto Flores > > > > > >The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but > in the "gear > >upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the > naks.com>ftp site. Go to: > http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/>with > username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the > >list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alberto Flores" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > > > > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > > > technician that services my equipment has no service manual > for it. > > > > > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and > some other > > > related parts. > > > > > > I beg for help on: > > > > > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded > view and > > > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem > above, or > > > > > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > > > > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Alberto Flores > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html> > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > >======= > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html>========-------------------------- > ----------------------------------------== > >======= > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html>========-------------------------- > ----------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 22 08:59:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:59:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Greetings (& RX-505 Request) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003801c1e9cb$4117db80$4d9f193e@a4s1s2> Good to see you back here, buddy! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: 21 April 2002 11:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Greetings (& RX-505 Request) Greetings, I'm an old NakTalker from the late '90s, decided to come back to visit the group. Do any of the oldsters remember me? My main reason for connecting is to ask if anyone has an RX-505 service manual that they might consider sharing. Also, are there any manuals available on the Naks.Com FTP site? Thanks, and keep on NakTalking.... K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon Apr 22 16:25:19 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:25:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes References: <117.1051e811.29f35d72@aol.com> <008b01c1e943$4a6b2120$a6299bca@smarzuki> <3CC2E9DE.FEC838F0@cox.net> Message-ID: <3CC41D4F.32C86D64@concentric.net> Christopher wrote: > > I'm not positive of the actual quality of the TAPE or shells > used, but they are quality 'producers' (e.g., Capital/Sinatra, > Verve), so I'm a bit ... irked about this. ("Quality' tapes, > the best possible brand of deck, and you oft find yourself > having to throw your collection away? Sheesh!) My feeling exactly. I have never had a cassette problem except with pre-recorded tapes -- all of them from main-line companies. > Garnered from all your comments (and THANK you for those) I guess > the best possible solution (in the hope that the squeak hasn't > yet transferred to the tape) is to transfer the offending tapes to > new shells and then IMMEDIATELY make backups, eh? (And, I guess, > backups of the backups.) I have replaced quite a few shells, when the tapes started to seize inside the old shell. The problem, always, was dried out slip sheets. I am not sure that replacing the shell will cure squeaking, but I have a L'Italiana in Algeri (RCA , from the early 80's) that squeaks badly -- I'll give it a try. > Anyone know of any good source of new (quality) shells? I have a small supply (almost depleted) of TDK C-60 D type cassettes that I originally used for storing computer data. I just discard the tape and use the shell. Radio Shack used to sell a 'Cassette repair kit' that contained a new shell. I am not sure they still do. At the time, it was fairly expensive, at $1 per kit. Or, look for C-60 cassettes with screw shell to cannibalize. If you haven't done this before: breaking open the bad cassette is a delicate operation. Do it very carefully, it's easy to damage the tape. I found that transferring the tape is easier if I fully rewind the tape to one side before breaking it open. Labeling the new shell: some labels are easy to transfer to the new shell (e.g., London): after breaking the shell open and removing the tape, I use a heat gun on the labels (long enough for the label glue to soften but not long enough to melt the shell). I peel it off the old shell and immediately place on the new one. Unfortunately, some labels (e.g., Philips) are of such poor quality that it is next to impossible not to damage the label. Some cassettes have the label printed on the shell -- I scanned it, then printed the result on blank label material. (Cutting the inside oval hole didn't come out exactly right, but the result was still, very serviceable.) Good luck, -- Ron > > Christopher ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Apr 22 22:24:45 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:24:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual Message-ID: <004701c1ea3b$c1d7cd00$dd251ec4@private> DEAR NAKTALKERS ! Has anyone noticed that the pdf file on Wouter's site ends with page 36 ,but the manual goes to page 42 in respect of the above SM? Can somebody please help out? I am the proud owner of various NAKs (cassete decks)as well as other items ---The more I find the more creep out of the veld ! It is getting so bad that Marc Hugo cant keep up advising as to what the pros and cons are of each machine(and thats something)Seriously the real reason for this splurge is to ask whether a purpose is served of my making a pdf file of the user manual of the T100 for anybody.I have not found the SM for it but we'll get there --they were printed in limited quantities!The T100 audioanalyser came with a transparent plastic insert accessory to get Voltage and Wattage readings.If someone out there can make a clear photo copy for me and tell me how much? Has anybody got both manuals OM and SM per pdf for the 600 and550 DUAL TRACER? I know one can get these from Berlin but that is frightfully expensive for us ZARANDERS(that's a currency!)?If you have, please drop us a line. I am sorry that I have so many requests and so little to offer (at this stage Of my NAK development) but maybe one day I will beat even Stephen with the appearances on this screen! Comeon Stephan as a complete novice on this show were have you been lately? It is indeed a rare occasion to read an email eminating from your self (relatively) nowadays .For a stranger who has been reading this heavy debate about the wires(cables) and the wise and important debate about them(!)it is obvious that your comments and knowledge make this show interesting and worth watching from the sidelines!!! You chaps dont realise what you have in NAKTALK----sehr gut! WALTER -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 22 23:55:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:55:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes In-Reply-To: <3CC41D4F.32C86D64@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000601c1ea48$60395700$b04387d9@a4s1s2> I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just recorded! I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone else had problems with these?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Apr 23 00:14:46 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes References: <000601c1ea48$60395700$b04387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000701c1ea4b$1d46a3a0$db8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Not yet, Graham, but one is quite squeaky. I bought a batch of twenty and while the sound quality is very good, I don't think they're in the same class as the old MX range mechanically. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes > I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape > broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out > tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just recorded! > I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone > else had problems with these?? > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Tue Apr 23 00:18:06 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:18:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes References: <117.1051e811.29f35d72@aol.com> <008b01c1e943$4a6b2120$a6299bca@smarzuki> <3CC2E9DE.FEC838F0@cox.net> <3CC41D4F.32C86D64@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001501c1ea4b$b2237700$db8fe2c3@a9u3z8> I've had a few problems with squeaky tapes and jamming ones. I've always found that transferring the offending tape to a new shell helps, but getting shells is becoming impossible, unles one buys a half decent blank and cannibalises its shell. Sinclair ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes > Christopher wrote: > > > > I'm not positive of the actual quality of the TAPE or shells > > used, but they are quality 'producers' (e.g., Capital/Sinatra, > > Verve), so I'm a bit ... irked about this. ("Quality' tapes, > > the best possible brand of deck, and you oft find yourself > > having to throw your collection away? Sheesh!) > > My feeling exactly. I have never had a cassette problem > except with pre-recorded tapes -- all of them from > main-line companies. > > > Garnered from all your comments (and THANK you for those) I guess > > the best possible solution (in the hope that the squeak hasn't > > yet transferred to the tape) is to transfer the offending tapes to > > new shells and then IMMEDIATELY make backups, eh? (And, I guess, > > backups of the backups.) > > I have replaced quite a few shells, when the tapes > started to seize inside the old shell. The problem, > always, was dried out slip sheets. I am not sure that > replacing the shell will cure squeaking, but I have a > L'Italiana in Algeri (RCA , from the early 80's) that > squeaks badly -- I'll give it a try. > > > Anyone know of any good source of new (quality) shells? > > I have a small supply (almost depleted) of TDK C-60 > D type cassettes that I originally used for storing > computer data. I just discard the tape and use the > shell. > > Radio Shack used to sell a 'Cassette repair kit' that > contained a new shell. I am not sure they still do. > At the time, it was fairly expensive, at $1 per kit. > > Or, look for C-60 cassettes with screw shell to > cannibalize. > > If you haven't done this before: breaking open the bad > cassette is a delicate operation. Do it very carefully, > it's easy to damage the tape. I found that transferring > the tape is easier if I fully rewind the tape to one > side before breaking it open. > > Labeling the new shell: some labels are easy to > transfer to the new shell (e.g., London): after breaking > the shell open and removing the tape, I use a heat > gun on the labels (long enough for the label glue to > soften but not long enough to melt the shell). I peel > it off the old shell and immediately place on the new > one. Unfortunately, some labels (e.g., Philips) are of > such poor quality that it is next to impossible not to > damage the label. Some cassettes have the label > printed on the shell -- I scanned it, then printed the > result on blank label material. (Cutting the inside > oval hole didn't come out exactly right, but the result > was still, very serviceable.) > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Christopher > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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But I have found those values are generally higher than what actual decks are selling for on places like E-bay. Although a mint 680ZX recently closed for $610.00 even though it's valued between $380.00 and $529.00. Any thoughts? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Apr 23 02:07:42 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:07:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2173 (Duffer & Squeaky Tapes) Message-ID: Greetings.... Whoops, you guys should realise that the longer tapes have reduced thickness, and (I believe) are prone easily to stretching and breakage. That causes squeakiness too, as the stretched tape wraps inconsistently. I recollect the grand old tape man (Carlos Guzman) swearing that anyone who tried to use 110s or 100s deserves to have magnetic tape wrapping around their dual capstans. I believe he made that statement in jest, but it does emphasize the vulnerabilities of using the longer cassette tapes with class cassette decks. My parting comment is that all 110s are duffers, and good luck (take your chances) with 100s! Personally, I prefer using the Maxell XLIIS 60s/90s. Alas, those are no longer manufactured (boohoo for me). Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:02:31 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2173 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:55:11 +0100 >From: "Graham Nelson" >Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes > >I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape >broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out >tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just recorded! >I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone >else had problems with these?? > >Graham > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:46 +0100 >From: "Sinclair Forrest" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes > >Not yet, Graham, but one is quite squeaky. I bought a batch of twenty and >while the sound quality is very good, I don't think they're in the same >class as the old MX range mechanically. > >Sinclair > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2173 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 23 05:15:26 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:15:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual Message-ID: <76F7E5C9.7112D67F.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Walter, As far as I remember Dragon manual incompleteness was already mentioned here and somebody promised to add the missed pages. In fact the electric diagrams of Auto Azimuth pcb and indicator pcb were added in Djvu format. I do not remember if they were actually placed on Nak.com ftp facility but if you need them I can send them to you directly, they are very small files. T-100 owner manual is gladly welcome from your side. With best regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 23 07:54:10 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:54:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes Message-ID: Hi Graham, I haven't had any hassles with those Metal CDs, but I have never used the 110s, only the 90s (the old hassle of tapes over 100 minutes). Actually, I have some very good recordings on the '90s, which I would equate to an MX, although mechanism-wise, not as good. The tape itself (of 110/120m) is substantially lighter gauge and prone to almost immediate stretching and physical deformity if there is the slightest stress, even linear stress. Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 04/22/02 11:55PM >>> I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just recorded! I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone else had problems with these?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Apr 23 08:03:50 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:03:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2173 (Duffer & Squeaky Tapes) Message-ID: Howdy Blues, Those gorgeous XL-IIS cassettes are still available here and there. I have seen new ones on e-bay occasionally. But there are several places in the UK that have them available, and they would be the English "mystic" series assemled at Tepley (different packaging to the Japanese "cool" series). Inside, however, they are identical. To me, the classic super-chrome, if you don't mind the slighlty hot HF. Marc >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 04/23/02 02:07AM >>> Greetings.... Whoops, you guys should realise that the longer tapes have reduced thickness, and (I believe) are prone easily to stretching and breakage. That causes squeakiness too, as the stretched tape wraps inconsistently. I recollect the grand old tape man (Carlos Guzman) swearing that anyone who tried to use 110s or 100s deserves to have magnetic tape wrapping around their dual capstans. I believe he made that statement in jest, but it does emphasize the vulnerabilities of using the longer cassette tapes with class cassette decks. My parting comment is that all 110s are duffers, and good luck (take your chances) with 100s! Personally, I prefer using the Maxell XLIIS 60s/90s. Alas, those are no longer manufactured (boohoo for me). Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:02:31 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2173 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:55:11 +0100 >From: "Graham Nelson" >Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes > >I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape >broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out >tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just recorded! >I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone >else had problems with these?? > >Graham > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:46 +0100 >From: "Sinclair Forrest" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes > >Not yet, Graham, but one is quite squeaky. I bought a batch of twenty and >while the sound quality is very good, I don't think they're in the same >class as the old MX range mechanically. > >Sinclair > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2173 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From nealw at decillion.net Tue Apr 23 08:46:19 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:46:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C15D@CPT-01> as a fellow south african just wanted to tell you about a dragon someone has here in cape town he wants R 11 000 for it, are you interested or is he pitching it too high -----Original Message----- From: wdrewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: 22 April 2002 22:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual DEAR NAKTALKERS ! Has anyone noticed that the pdf file on Wouter's site ends with page 36 ,but the manual goes to page 42 in respect of the above SM? Can somebody please help out? I am the proud owner of various NAKs (cassete decks)as well as other items ---The more I find the more creep out of the veld ! It is getting so bad that Marc Hugo cant keep up advising as to what the pros and cons are of each machine(and thats something)Seriously the real reason for this splurge is to ask whether a purpose is served of my making a pdf file of the user manual of the T100 for anybody.I have not found the SM for it but we'll get there --they were printed in limited quantities!The T100 audioanalyser came with a transparent plastic insert accessory to get Voltage and Wattage readings.If someone out there can make a clear photo copy for me and tell me how much? Has anybody got both manuals OM and SM per pdf for the 600 and550 DUAL TRACER? I know one can get these from Berlin but that is frightfully expensive for us ZARANDERS(that's a currency!)?If you have, please drop us a line. I am sorry that I have so many requests and so little to offer (at this stage Of my NAK development) but maybe one day I will beat even Stephen with the appearances on this screen! Comeon Stephan as a complete novice on this show were have you been lately? It is indeed a rare occasion to read an email eminating from your self (relatively) nowadays .For a stranger who has been reading this heavy debate about the wires(cables) and the wise and important debate about them(!)it is obvious that your comments and knowledge make this show interesting and worth watching from the sidelines!!! You chaps dont realise what you have in NAKTALK----sehr gut! WALTER ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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We'll see what it eventually goes for in 6 days. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 10:37:44 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 01:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' In-Reply-To: <3CC515A6.12B1E5F2@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20020423083744.61122.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Some nut put a hundred dollar bid on the thing. It takes all types! Javier --- Ron wrote: > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON for > the buy > > it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be gone > by the > > morning. It's missing one button. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 > > > > --Roland > > Nope, someone bid 100 bucks. We'll see what it > eventually > goes for in 6 days. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From amflores at vetor.com.br Mon Apr 22 21:24:21 2002 From: amflores at vetor.com.br (Alberto Flores) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:24:21 -0300 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A In-Reply-To: <10ab1b0cb.b0cb10ab1@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020422161748.02dbb4c0@pop.vetor.com.br> Hello Salim, Well, to tell you the truth I really don't know, and the deck is at my technician's place. I will call him and let him know about your tips. Will keep you updated. Many thanks. Cheers, Alberto Flores >Hi Alberto, does your CR7 also has gear drive ? (you can check by >opening the black plate behind cassette well) If it's gear driven then >you can try that spray 'n' twist method (carefully), it worked for me. >If it has rubber idler then you can replace the rubber wheel and it'll >be good for another 1-2 yrs. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alberto Flores >Date: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:44 am >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > Hello Salim, > > At 21/4/2002 +0700, you wrote: > > > > Your CR-7 has a similar problem as mine. > > But my old and reliable ZX-7 is still doing his job, as new. > > Regards, > > Flores > > > > >Hi Naktalkers, > > > > > >I find it (not-so) interesting that this gear-driven CR7 recently > > acted just > > >like it has rubber idler inside ! When C-90 tape almost reaches > > its end, > > >sometimes the deck stopped. The "SS" solution of spray 'n' twist > > silicone>to reel motor's holes indeed helped, probably the brush > > got dirty. But it's > > >a big dissapointment that while old naks are still chugging > > along, this > > >'new' CR7 already sputtered. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Salim SM > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Alberto Flores > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 3:38 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > > > > > >Hello Stephen > > >At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >Thank you so much for your great help. > > >I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my > > >technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. > > >Concerning the parts, where can I order them? > > >I'll pay with my MC card. > > >I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be > > delivered to. > > >Again, many thanks. > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Alberto Flores > > > > > > > > >The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but > > in the "gear > > >upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the > > naks.com>ftp site. Go to: > > http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/>with > > username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the > > >list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Alberto Flores" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > > > > > > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > > > > technician that services my equipment has no service manual > > for it. > > > > > > > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and > > some other > > > > related parts. > > > > > > > > I beg for help on: > > > > > > > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded > > view and > > > > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem > > above, or > > > > > > > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > > > > > > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Alberto Flores > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html> > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------== > > >======= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html>========-------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------== > > >======= > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html>========-------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------========= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Tue Apr 23 12:15:39 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:15:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' In-Reply-To: <20020423083744.61122.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Strange, I just went there and its still available? BUT he wont ship to the UK :( Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 23 April 2002 09:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' Some nut put a hundred dollar bid on the thing. It takes all types! Javier --- Ron wrote: > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON for > the buy > > it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be gone > by the > > morning. It's missing one button. > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 > > > > --Roland > > Nope, someone bid 100 bucks. We'll see what it > eventually > goes for in 6 days. > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 12:22:33 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 03:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020423102233.25691.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Yes but the Buy it now option is gone. Javier --- doctordeaf wrote: > Strange, I just went there and its still available? > BUT he wont ship to the UK :( > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: 23 April 2002 09:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' > > > Some nut put a hundred dollar bid on the thing. > It takes all types! > Javier > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON > for > > the buy > > > it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be gone > > by the > > > morning. It's missing one button. > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 > > > > > > --Roland > > > > Nope, someone bid 100 bucks. We'll see what it > > eventually > > goes for in 6 days. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Tue Apr 23 12:58:00 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:58:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' In-Reply-To: <20020423102233.25691.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just had another look and the 'buy it now' IS STILL THERE, but Im in the UK - looks like the previous $100 bidder backed out!? JIm -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 23 April 2002 11:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' Yes but the Buy it now option is gone. Javier --- doctordeaf wrote: > Strange, I just went there and its still available? > BUT he wont ship to the UK :( > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: 23 April 2002 09:38 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' > > > Some nut put a hundred dollar bid on the thing. > It takes all types! > Javier > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON > for > > the buy > > > it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be gone > > by the > > > morning. It's missing one button. > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 > > > > > > --Roland > > > > Nope, someone bid 100 bucks. We'll see what it > > eventually > > goes for in 6 days. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 13:25:10 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 04:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RF stage dual jfet? Identification Message-ID: <20020423112510.32338.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I found a Pioneer SX-990 receiver in the trash last week and have narrowed the problem down to the first device on the FM RF. It's a 6 pin can without any label or marking whatever. I've seen these packages on second generation solid state scotts but can't ID them either. I think they are jfets. Anyway was wondering if anyone knew what the right sub or equivalent might be. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 13:29:20 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 04:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020423112920.75021.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Yes the guy retracted. He was only looking for the button! Perhaps someone on the list can help the poor soul. See Ya Javier --- doctordeaf wrote: > Just had another look and the 'buy it now' IS STILL > THERE, but Im in the > UK - looks like the previous $100 bidder backed > out!? > JIm > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: 23 April 2002 11:23 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' > > > Yes but the Buy it now option is gone. > Javier > > --- doctordeaf wrote: > > Strange, I just went there and its still > available? > > BUT he wont ship to the UK :( > > Jim > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Javier Perez > > Sent: 23 April 2002 09:38 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' > > > > > > Some nut put a hundred dollar bid on the thing. > > It takes all types! > > Javier > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > > > If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON > > for > > > the buy > > > > it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be > gone > > > by the > > > > morning. It's missing one button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > Nope, someone bid 100 bucks. We'll see what it > > > eventually > > > goes for in 6 days. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 23 15:22:30 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:22:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RF stage dual jfet? Identification References: <20020423112510.32338.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CC56016.90322F28@concentric.net> Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi > I found a Pioneer SX-990 receiver in the trash last > week and have narrowed the problem down to the first > device on the FM RF. It's a 6 pin can without any > label or marking whatever. I've seen these packages on > second generation solid state scotts but can't ID them > either. I think they are jfets. Anyway was wondering > if anyone knew what the right sub or equivalent might > be. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > Javier > I don't have the service manual for your SX-990, but do have the one for the SX-1250. The FM front end (Pioneer P/N AWB-023) uses 3 each of 3SK45 dual FETs. Do a Google search for 3SK45 and you'll find about 50 places that sell it for around 3 bucks. Even if this is not the exact replacement part, it's worthwhile to take a chance on it, it's likely to work. The front end may need realignment after replacement. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Apr 23 15:49:27 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:49:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: R11000 DRAGON in Cape Town References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C15D@CPT-01> Message-ID: <000b01c1eacd$b0746d60$af16fea9@wdrewes> Neal! me thinks that is a bit too high! 2 weeks ago I bought a dragon in CAPE TOWN for R6900.I know I can get another one there for about the same price! (for our american friends that is $625) The problem is that there only afew real Nakers in the market so the demand and therefore price is down in this country! I know someone however who will buy his used Nakamichi cassettes !--The Writer hereof --regards WALTER DREWES ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Walker To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual as a fellow south african just wanted to tell you about a dragon someone has here in cape town he wants R 11 000 for it, are you interested or is he pitching it too high -----Original Message----- From: wdrewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: 22 April 2002 22:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual DEAR NAKTALKERS ! Has anyone noticed that the pdf file on Wouter's site ends with page 36 ,but the manual goes to page 42 in respect of the above SM? Can somebody please help out? I am the proud owner of various NAKs (cassete decks)as well as other items ---The more I find the more creep out of the veld ! It is getting so bad that Marc Hugo cant keep up advising as to what the pros and cons are of each machine(and thats something)Seriously the real reason for this splurge is to ask whether a purpose is served of my making a pdf file of the user manual of the T100 for anybody.I have not found the SM for it but we'll get there --they were printed in limited quantities!The T100 audioanalyser came with a transparent plastic insert accessory to get Voltage and Wattage readings.If someone out there can make a clear photo copy for me and tell me how much? Has anybody got both manuals OM and SM per pdf for the 600 and550 DUAL TRACER? I know one can get these from Berlin but that is frightfully expensive for us ZARANDERS(that's a currency!)?If you have, please drop us a line. I am sorry that I have so many requests and so little to offer (at this stage Of my NAK development) but maybe one day I will beat even Stephen with the appearances on this screen! Comeon Stephan as a complete novice on this show were have you been lately? It is indeed a rare occasion to read an email eminating from your self (relatively) nowadays .For a stranger who has been reading this heavy debate about the wires(cables) and the wise and important debate about them(!)it is obvious that your comments and knowledge make this show interesting and worth watching from the sidelines!!! You chaps dont realise what you have in NAKTALK----sehr gut! WALTER ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Even without the button (and maybe with a couple of 'surprises'), it's an excellent deal. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Yes > the guy retracted. > He was only looking for the button! > Perhaps someone on the list can help the poor soul. > See Ya > Javier > > --- doctordeaf wrote: > > Just had another look and the 'buy it now' IS STILL > > THERE, but Im in the > > UK - looks like the previous $100 bidder backed > > out!? > > JIm > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Javier Perez > > Sent: 23 April 2002 11:23 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' > > > > > > Yes but the Buy it now option is gone. > > Javier > > > > --- doctordeaf wrote: > > > Strange, I just went there and its still > > available? > > > BUT he wont ship to the UK :( > > > Jim > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Javier Perez > > > Sent: 23 April 2002 09:38 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' > > > > > > > > > Some nut put a hundred dollar bid on the thing. > > > It takes all types! > > > Javier > > > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON > > > for > > > > the buy > > > > > it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be > > gone > > > > by the > > > > > morning. It's missing one button. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 > > > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > Nope, someone bid 100 bucks. We'll see what it > > > > eventually > > > > goes for in 6 days. > > > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Apr 23 15:41:11 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:41:11 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: R11000 DRAGON in Cape Town Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C15F@CPT-01> thats what i thought as well but said to him that i would put his message into this group i understand that it is in great nick. i bought a 1000zxl for R 5000, which is very reasonable. -----Original Message----- From: wme drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: 23 April 2002 15:49 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: R11000 DRAGON in Cape Town Neal! me thinks that is a bit too high! 2 weeks ago I bought a dragon in CAPE TOWN for R6900.I know I can get another one there for about the same price! (for our american friends that is $625) The problem is that there only afew real Nakers in the market so the demand and therefore price is down in this country! I know someone however who will buy his used Nakamichi cassettes !--The Writer hereof --regards WALTER DREWES ----- Original Message ----- From: Neal Walker To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual as a fellow south african just wanted to tell you about a dragon someone has here in cape town he wants R 11 000 for it, are you interested or is he pitching it too high -----Original Message----- From: wdrewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: 22 April 2002 22:25 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual DEAR NAKTALKERS ! Has anyone noticed that the pdf file on Wouter's site ends with page 36 ,but the manual goes to page 42 in respect of the above SM? Can somebody please help out? I am the proud owner of various NAKs (cassete decks)as well as other items ---The more I find the more creep out of the veld ! It is getting so bad that Marc Hugo cant keep up advising as to what the pros and cons are of each machine(and thats something)Seriously the real reason for this splurge is to ask whether a purpose is served of my making a pdf file of the user manual of the T100 for anybody.I have not found the SM for it but we'll get there --they were printed in limited quantities!The T100 audioanalyser came with a transparent plastic insert accessory to get Voltage and Wattage readings.If someone out there can make a clear photo copy for me and tell me how much? Has anybody got both manuals OM and SM per pdf for the 600 and550 DUAL TRACER? I know one can get these from Berlin but that is frightfully expensive for us ZARANDERS(that's a currency!)?If you have, please drop us a line. 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URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 16:43:24 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RF stage dual jfet? Identification In-Reply-To: <3CC56016.90322F28@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20020423144324.47169.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks a lot Ron I'm sure they'll do See Ya Javier --- Ron wrote: > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Hi > > I found a Pioneer SX-990 receiver in the trash > last > > week and have narrowed the problem down to the > first > > device on the FM RF. It's a 6 pin can without any > > label or marking whatever. I've seen these > packages on > > second generation solid state scotts but can't ID > them > > either. I think they are jfets. Anyway was > wondering > > if anyone knew what the right sub or equivalent > might > > be. > > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > Javier > > > > I don't have the service manual for your SX-990, but > do have the one for the SX-1250. The FM front end > (Pioneer P/N AWB-023) uses 3 each of 3SK45 dual > FETs. > Do a Google search for 3SK45 and you'll find about > 50 > places that sell it for around 3 bucks. Even if this > is not the exact replacement part, it's worthwhile > to > take a chance on it, it's likely to work. The front > end > may need realignment after replacement. > > Good luck, > > -- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From archangele666 at cox.net Tue Apr 23 17:25:41 2002 From: archangele666 at cox.net (archangele666) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:25:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification References: <20020423112510.32338.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CC57CF5.B9B86EA0@cox.net> Isn't the SX990 a pretty powerful receiver and top of the line for Pioneer in the 70's? A Jfet normally has four pins. I worked on some amplifiers that used 6 and 8 pin packages that looked like big transistors but which were actually early IC's. These had a couple transistors and resistors all wrapped up into a package about the size of a small power transistor. Bill B. Javier Perez wrote: > ************************************ > Hi > I found a Pioneer SX-990 receiver in the trash last > week and have narrowed the problem down to the first > device on the FM RF. It's a 6 pin can without any > label or marking whatever. I've seen these packages on > second generation solid state scotts but can't ID them > either. I think they are jfets. Anyway was wondering > if anyone knew what the right sub or equivalent might > be. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > http://games.yahoo.com/ > ************************************ > > To UNSUBSRIBE from SOLIDSTATE list, send e-mail to: > listserv at hhscott.com > with the following in the BODY of the message: > unsubscribe SOLIDSTATE > See http://hhscott.com/unsubscr.htm > > ************************************ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 23 18:11:25 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:11:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification References: <20020423112510.32338.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> <3CC57CF5.B9B86EA0@cox.net> Message-ID: <3CC587AD.3399AA3C@concentric.net> The SX-1250 was top of the line when I bought it in the mid 70s. IIRC, the SX-990 was a later, but lower end, model. The 3SK45 is a 4 pin dual FET (meaning, there are two separate gates). There is nothing else in the package. -- Ron archangele666 wrote: > > Isn't the SX990 a pretty powerful receiver and top of the line for > Pioneer in the 70's? A Jfet normally has four pins. I worked on some > amplifiers that used 6 and 8 pin packages that looked like big > transistors but which were actually early IC's. These had a couple > transistors and resistors all wrapped up into a package about the size > of a small power transistor. > Bill B. > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > ************************************ > > Hi > > I found a Pioneer SX-990 receiver in the trash last > > week and have narrowed the problem down to the first > > device on the FM RF. It's a 6 pin can without any > > label or marking whatever. I've seen these packages on > > second generation solid state scotts but can't ID them > > either. I think they are jfets. Anyway was wondering > > if anyone knew what the right sub or equivalent might > > be. > > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > Javier > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > ************************************ > > > > To UNSUBSRIBE from SOLIDSTATE list, send e-mail to: > > listserv at hhscott.com > > with the following in the BODY of the message: > > unsubscribe SOLIDSTATE > > See http://hhscott.com/unsubscr.htm > > > > ************************************ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 18:27:12 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification In-Reply-To: <3CC587AD.3399AA3C@concentric.net> Message-ID: <20020423162712.84596.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Greg, Ron everyone I should have said IF instead of RF They aren't dual JFETs either they are ECG 703 equvalents and the first one was blown. Fortunately it was the internal 50 ohm resistor between pin 1 and 8. After looking at the ECG diagram I decided that an external resistor between the 2 pins would do the trick and it did. Can't imagine why they integrated the resistor though. Well the thing works now though it doesn't sound impressive. Thanks again for the help. Greg gave me the clue with the UA703 number. They are ICs afterall! Thanks guys Javier --- Ron wrote: > > The SX-1250 was top of the line when I bought it in > the > mid 70s. IIRC, the SX-990 was a later, but lower > end, > model. > > The 3SK45 is a 4 pin dual FET (meaning, there are > two > separate gates). There is nothing else in the > package. > > -- Ron > > > archangele666 wrote: > > > > Isn't the SX990 a pretty powerful receiver and top > of the line for > > Pioneer in the 70's? A Jfet normally has four > pins. I worked on some > > amplifiers that used 6 and 8 pin packages that > looked like big > > transistors but which were actually early IC's. > These had a couple > > transistors and resistors all wrapped up into a > package about the size > > of a small power transistor. > > Bill B. > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > ************************************ > > > Hi > > > I found a Pioneer SX-990 receiver in the trash > last > > > week and have narrowed the problem down to the > first > > > device on the FM RF. It's a 6 pin can without > any > > > label or marking whatever. I've seen these > packages on > > > second generation solid state scotts but can't > ID them > > > either. I think they are jfets. Anyway was > wondering > > > if anyone knew what the right sub or equivalent > might > > > be. > > > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > > Javier > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and > more > > > http://games.yahoo.com/ > > > ************************************ > > > > > > To UNSUBSRIBE from SOLIDSTATE list, send e-mail > to: > > > listserv at hhscott.com > > > with the following in the BODY of the message: > > > unsubscribe SOLIDSTATE > > > See http://hhscott.com/unsubscr.htm > > > > > > ************************************ > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From CSCARLSON at stoel.com Tue Apr 23 18:31:31 2002 From: CSCARLSON at stoel.com (Carlson, Cary) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:31:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700 manuals Message-ID: <7A19FAD11CB33444AB95674C1F94018C084D5F@PDX-MX2.stoel.com> Hi, I have recently purchased a 700 Tri-Tracer. I would like to obtain a user and/or service manual for this deck. This is my first Nakamichi deck, so I thought this mailing list would be a good place to start. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From pasec at relex.ru Tue Apr 23 19:11:17 2002 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:11:17 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 manuals References: <7A19FAD11CB33444AB95674C1F94018C084D5F@PDX-MX2.stoel.com> Message-ID: <002b01c1eae9$e1be01d0$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi, Cary! > Hi, I have recently purchased a 700 Tri-Tracer. I would like to obtain a > user and/or service manual for this deck. This is my first Nakamichi > deck, so I thought this mailing list would be a good place to start. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! I have for a time operating instructions and service manual for Nakamichi 700. Now, I scanning and preparing it for PDF at my free time. I think it takes about two weeks. Wait a moment :-) Paul. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 23 19:27:48 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:27:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification References: <20020423162712.84596.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201c1eaec$31e29980$9e299bca@smarzuki> Hi Javier, How did you find out that the internal resistor was blown ? My marantz 120b also use 703 in the discriminator area (NJM, not UA) with 8 pins and it was very difficult to find (UA uses 6 pins and easier to find). Thanks in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Javier Perez To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification Hi Greg, Ron everyone I should have said IF instead of RF They aren't dual JFETs either they are ECG 703 equvalents and the first one was blown. Fortunately it was the internal 50 ohm resistor between pin 1 and 8. After looking at the ECG diagram I decided that an external resistor between the 2 pins would do the trick and it did. Can't imagine why they integrated the resistor though. Well the thing works now though it doesn't sound impressive. Thanks again for the help. Greg gave me the clue with the UA703 number. They are ICs afterall! Thanks guys Javier --- Ron wrote: > > The SX-1250 was top of the line when I bought it in > the > mid 70s. IIRC, the SX-990 was a later, but lower > end, > model. > > The 3SK45 is a 4 pin dual FET (meaning, there are > two > separate gates). There is nothing else in the > package. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 23 19:36:41 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 00:36:41 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414131212.01fe4d60@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <002901c1eaed$6fa4bae0$9e299bca@smarzuki> Sorry for getting back off topic. Marc / Stephen, is Shure's MicroLine similar to Audio Technica's microline stylus ? I found this description for AT-ML-150 on ebay : A new [in box] cartridge. Vector aligned with gold plated beryllium cantilever this cartridge has a microline stylus and is made using a new pure copper material.The use of pure copper wiring by Ohno Continuous Casting,a mu-metal shielding plate btween left and right channels and the use of two magnetic generators arranged in the shape of a V give this very expensive cartridge a sound like no other. Well over $400 in the 1990's this cartridge comes with 4 tonearm shell wires[thick wires with gold ends] still in the plastic as well as a guage for measuring stylus overhang. Also include is brush,screwdriver,plastic box, and manual instructions. A rare find! standard mount 4 MV output and moving magnet type. best of the best. Guaranteed. selling for a friend so I made sure it worked! Magnificent! Pay pal, billpoint and others FREE SHIPPING! Good Luck! Thanks, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marc Stager To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 The Microline stylus is a hyperelliptical shape - wide and flat, and it accurately traces the groove cut by the the cutting stylus, which is, literally, a tiny sapphire chisel. Diamonds are not used to cut records. Sapphires take a smoother polish, producing a quieter groove. Longevity is not the most important factor here, As long as the edges of your stylus are rounded, it will trace the grooves with relatively little wear, though more so than a more gently rounded conical stylus or a fatter elliptical stylus. The tracking low force of1.2 grams helps keep groove wear down. However, the same thing that makes it an accurate reproducer, ie, the resemblance to the cutting stylus, also makes it more prone to wear in a very destructive fashion; that tiny front-to-back dimension of only 15 mils can quickly wear at the sides reshaping the diamond into a very destructive tool - and you won't hear the effect until it's too late. Look for rounded edges. Any flat spots, replace the stylus. ________________ Marc Stager =============================== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Tue Apr 23 19:38:42 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:38:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 manuals Message-ID: <00BEB4AB.6CEFF8B9.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hello, Cary, Congratulations on your purchase! You chose one of the best of old Naks available. Me and my friend own these machines for quite a time already and I was always surprised how close to reel-to-reel it sounds. Unfortunately right now I can not help you with the pdf-manual, there is a basic circuit diagram on Naks.com support site. If you need anything specific from this manuals till Pavel is through with his scans, I can try to help you. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aferro at televen.com Tue Apr 23 20:11:11 2002 From: aferro at televen.com (Antonio Ferro) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:11:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Message-ID: <012f01c1eaf2$53f8e410$2c3cde81@televen.com> Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you. I need some advice... I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. But before, i need know which is the best purchase A 582 or a CR-7 Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Apr 23 20:47:15 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:47:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 In-Reply-To: <012f01c1eaf2$53f8e410$2c3cde81@televen.com> Message-ID: Depends how much you are willing to spend. CR7 is a better deck, but may cost you about 3 times what you would pay for 582 in a comparable condition. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antonio Ferro Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you. I need some advice... I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. But before, i need know which is the best purchase A 582 or a CR-7 Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Apr 23 21:24:14 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:24:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0755@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I have both decks and if you are critical the CR-7 has a more open top end, CR-7 sounds better. Both are very good decks. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 > > Depends how much you are willing to spend. > > CR7 is a better deck, but may cost you about 3 times what you would pay > for 582 in a comparable condition. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antonio Ferro > Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 > > > Hi naks fan, > > This is my first time, that i contact you. > I need some advice... > I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. > But before, i need know which is the best purchase > A 582 or a CR-7 > > Thanks > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aferro at televen.com Tue Apr 23 22:15:43 2002 From: aferro at televen.com (Antonio Ferro) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:15:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 References: Message-ID: <001101c1eb03$b830f510$2c3cde81@televen.com> Which is the estimate price that i can pay for the 582 and the CR-7? Antonio Ferro ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Depends how much you are willing to spend. CR7 is a better deck, but may cost you about 3 times what you would pay for 582 in a comparable condition. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antonio Ferro Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you. I need some advice... I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. But before, i need know which is the best purchase A 582 or a CR-7 Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 22:20:38 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification In-Reply-To: <002201c1eaec$31e29980$9e299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20020423202038.79688.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> I noticed that on the other cans pins 1 and 8 were nearly at the same level. On the defective can pin 8 was normal or about 12 volts but pin 1 was 0. Touching 8 to 1 also seemed to cure the problem. I saw an internal schematic of the ic and figured it out. See Ya Javier --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Javier, > > How did you find out that the internal resistor was > blown ? My marantz 120b > also use 703 in the discriminator area (NJM, not UA) > with 8 pins and it was > very difficult to find (UA uses 6 pins and easier to > find). > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Javier Perez > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF > stage dual jfet? > Identification > > > Hi Greg, Ron everyone > I should have said IF instead of RF > They aren't dual JFETs either they are ECG 703 > equvalents and the first one was blown. Fortunately > it > was the internal 50 ohm resistor between pin 1 and > 8. > After looking at the ECG diagram I decided that an > external resistor between the 2 pins would do the > trick and it did. Can't imagine why they integrated > the resistor though. Well the thing works now though > it doesn't sound impressive. Thanks again for the > help. Greg gave me the clue with the UA703 number. > They are ICs afterall! > Thanks guys > Javier > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > The SX-1250 was top of the line when I bought it > in > > the > > mid 70s. IIRC, the SX-990 was a later, but lower > > end, > > model. > > > > The 3SK45 is a 4 pin dual FET (meaning, there are > > two > > separate gates). There is nothing else in the > > package. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 23 22:45:16 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD700 schematics In-Reply-To: <005601c1eaf3$bf1288e0$9e299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20020423204516.32004.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Salim, I will shoot those schematics to you later on today. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Tue Apr 23 23:45:36 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:45:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 In-Reply-To: <002901c1eaed$6fa4bae0$9e299bca@smarzuki> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414131212.01fe4d60@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020423173808.01ff5c70@mail.verizon.net> The geometry of the styli is similar. That and the fact that both the Shure and AT have moving magnet engines are the only similarities. They're both supposed to be decent cartridges. My preference is for a moving coil design. The detail and transient response of the Genesis 1000 I use makes a moving magnet cartridge sound like it's plowing through mud. ________________ Marc Stager =================================== At 4/23/02, you wrote: >Sorry for getting back off topic. Marc / Stephen, is Shure's MicroLine >similar to Audio Technica's microline stylus ? I found this description for >AT-ML-150 on ebay : > >A new [in box] cartridge. Vector aligned with gold plated beryllium >cantilever this cartridge has a microline stylus and is made using a new >pure copper material.The use of pure copper wiring by Ohno Continuous >Casting,a mu-metal shielding plate btween left and right channels and the >use of two magnetic generators arranged in the shape of a V give this very >expensive cartridge a sound like no other. Well over $400 in the 1990's this >cartridge comes with 4 tonearm shell wires[thick wires with gold ends] still >in the plastic as well as a guage for measuring stylus overhang. Also >include is brush,screwdriver,plastic box, and manual instructions. A rare >find! standard mount 4 MV output and moving magnet type. best of the best. >Guaranteed. selling for a friend so I made sure it worked! Magnificent! Pay >pal, billpoint and others FREE SHIPPING! Good Luck! > >Thanks, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Marc Stager >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:29 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > >The Microline stylus is a hyperelliptical shape - wide and flat, >and it accurately traces the groove cut by the the cutting stylus, >which is, literally, a tiny sapphire chisel. Diamonds are not used >to cut records. Sapphires take a smoother polish, producing a >quieter groove. Longevity is not the most important factor here, > >As long as the edges of your stylus are rounded, it will trace the >grooves with relatively little wear, though more so than a more gently >rounded conical stylus or a fatter elliptical stylus. The tracking low >force of1.2 grams helps keep groove wear down. > >However, the same thing that makes it an accurate reproducer, ie, >the resemblance to the cutting stylus, also makes it more prone to >wear in a very destructive fashion; that tiny front-to-back dimension >of only 15 mils can quickly wear at the sides reshaping the diamond >into a very destructive tool - and you won't hear the effect until it's >too late. > >Look for rounded edges. Any flat spots, replace the stylus. > >________________ Marc Stager > >=============================== > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From CSCARLSON at stoel.com Wed Apr 24 01:25:13 2002 From: CSCARLSON at stoel.com (Carlson, Cary) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:25:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2180 Message-ID: <7A19FAD11CB33444AB95674C1F94018C0146236A@PDX-MX2.stoel.com> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:19 PM To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2180 naktalk-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2180 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:28:09 -0400 From: "Brian Miller" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EAD3.17B32520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simply put, the CR-7. It is arguably the best. =20 Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Antonio Ferro=20 To: naktalk at naks.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you. I need some advice... I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. But before, i need know which is the best purchase A 582 or a CR-7 Thanks - ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EAD3.17B32520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Simply put, the CR-7.  It is = arguably the=20 best. 
 
Brian Miller
Michigan
http://brian.grar.com
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Antonio Ferro=20
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 = 2:11=20 PM
Subject: [naktalk] 582 or = CR-7

Hi naks fan,
 
This is my first time, that i contact = you.
I need some advice...
I'm planning to bought a used = nak...of=20 course.
But before, i need know which is the = best=20 purchase
A 582 or a CR-7
 
Thanks
- ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01C1EAD3.17B32520-- ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:47:15 -0500 From: "Stan Targowski" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1EACD.60FDDE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Depends how much you are willing to spend. CR7 is a better deck, but may cost you about 3 times what you would pay for 582 in a comparable condition. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antonio Ferro Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you. I need some advice... I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. But before, i need know which is the best purchase A 582 or a CR-7 Thanks - ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1EACD.60FDDE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Depends how much you are willing = to spend.=20
 
CR7 is a better deck, but may cost = you about 3 times what you would pay for 582 in a comparable=20 condition.
 
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-naktalk at naks.com=20 [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antonio=20 Ferro
Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM
To:=20 naktalk at naks.com
Subject: [naktalk] 582 or = CR-7

Hi naks fan,
 
This is my first time, that i contact = you.
I need some advice...
I'm planning to bought a used = nak...of=20 course.
But before, i need know which is the = best=20 purchase
A 582 or a CR-7
 
Thanks
- ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C1EACD.60FDDE10-- ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:24:14 -0400 From: "Bahr, Kurtis" Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 I have both decks and if you are critical the CR-7 has a more open top end, CR-7 sounds better. Both are very good decks. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 > > Depends how much you are willing to spend. > > CR7 is a better deck, but may cost you about 3 times what you would pay > for 582 in a comparable condition. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Antonio Ferro > Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 > > > Hi naks fan, > > This is my first time, that i contact you. > I need some advice... > I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. > But before, i need know which is the best purchase > A 582 or a CR-7 > > Thanks > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 16:15:43 -0400 From: "Antonio Ferro" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1EAE2.1E596C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which is the estimate price that i can pay for the 582 and the CR-7? Antonio Ferro ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stan Targowski=20 To: naktalk at naks.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Depends how much you are willing to spend.=20 CR7 is a better deck, but may cost you about 3 times what you would = pay for 582 in a comparable condition. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On = Behalf Of Antonio Ferro Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 582 or CR-7 Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you. I need some advice... I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course. But before, i need know which is the best purchase A 582 or a CR-7 Thanks - ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1EAE2.1E596C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Which is the estimate price that i can = pay for the=20 582 and the  CR-7?
 
Antonio Ferro
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stan=20 Targowski
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 = 2:47=20 PM
Subject: RE: [naktalk] 582 or = CR-7

Depends how much you are willing = to spend.=20
 
CR7 is a better deck, but may = cost=20 you about 3 times what you would pay for 582 in a comparable=20 condition.
 
Stan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-naktalk at naks.com=20 [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Antonio=20 Ferro
Sent: Tue, April 23, 2002 1:11 PM
To: naktalk at naks.com
Subject: = [naktalk] 582 or CR-7

Hi naks fan,
 
This is my first time, that i = contact=20 you.
I need some advice...
I'm planning to bought a used = nak...of=20 course.
But before, i need know which is = the best=20 purchase
A 582 or a CR-7
 
Thanks
- ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C1EAE2.1E596C90-- ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 13:20:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Perez Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF stage dual jfet? Identification I noticed that on the other cans pins 1 and 8 were nearly at the same level. On the defective can pin 8 was normal or about 12 volts but pin 1 was 0. Touching 8 to 1 also seemed to cure the problem. I saw an internal schematic of the ic and figured it out. See Ya Javier - --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi Javier, > > How did you find out that the internal resistor was > blown ? My marantz 120b > also use 703 in the discriminator area (NJM, not UA) > with 8 pins and it was > very difficult to find (UA uses 6 pins and easier to > find). > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Javier Perez > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: [SOLIDSTATE, HHScott] RF > stage dual jfet? > Identification > > > Hi Greg, Ron everyone > I should have said IF instead of RF > They aren't dual JFETs either they are ECG 703 > equvalents and the first one was blown. Fortunately > it > was the internal 50 ohm resistor between pin 1 and > 8. > After looking at the ECG diagram I decided that an > external resistor between the 2 pins would do the > trick and it did. Can't imagine why they integrated > the resistor though. Well the thing works now though > it doesn't sound impressive. Thanks again for the > help. Greg gave me the clue with the UA703 number. > They are ICs afterall! > Thanks guys > Javier > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > The SX-1250 was top of the line when I bought it > in > > the > > mid 70s. IIRC, the SX-990 was a later, but lower > > end, > > model. > > > > The 3SK45 is a 4 pin dual FET (meaning, there are > > two > > separate gates). There is nothing else in the > > package. > > > > -- Ron > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 24 02:20:08 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 07:20:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD700 schematics References: <20020423204516.32004.qmail@web13108.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001e01c1eb25$cb468bc0$c8299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much Scott ! I believe the rest was also from you. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TD700 schematics Salim, I will shoot those schematics to you later on today. SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Apr 24 02:35:12 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 20:35:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON - 'CHEAP' Message-ID: <20020423.203513.-374219.2.josephj69@juno.com> This seller has some serious negative feedback. I tried to buy something from her myself at one time, I found her absolutely impossible to deal with. She couldn't answer even the simplest questions. I think the stuff she sells is essentally salvage, so I would think twice before buying anything from her. - Joe On Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:06:17 -0700 "Roland Alford" writes: If anyone's awake at this hour here's a DRAGON for the buy it now price of $560!! I'm sure it will be gone by the morning. It's missing one button. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348267888 --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Apr 24 04:39:07 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:39:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes References: <000601c1ea48$60395700$b04387d9@a4s1s2> <000701c1ea4b$1d46a3a0$db8fe2c3@a9u3z8> Message-ID: <3CC61AC8.283ED717@snet.net> They aren't a great tape compared to the old MX or the likes... and the shells are definitely not outstanding, not to mention that the 110 tape length is very close to the C120 mark that all the Nak manuals warn against you using. Even so, I've got a number of these and the type II counterpart and they have always been reasonable quality with no overt problems. Ed Sinclair Forrest wrote: > Not yet, Graham, but one is quite squeaky. I bought a batch of twenty and > while the sound quality is very good, I don't think they're in the same > class as the old MX range mechanically. > > Sinclair > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:55 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes > > > I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape > > broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out > > tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just > recorded! > > I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone > > else had problems with these?? > > > > Graham > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Apr 24 05:31:51 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:01:51 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Nak TD700 schematics Message-ID: <001e01c1eb40$933bf920$42d60192@vsnl> Scott Please forward the schematics to me as well as it may be useful sometime - I havenot seen any Nak car decks here in India. Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TD700 schematics Thanks much Scott ! I believe the rest was also from you. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Johnson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak TD700 schematics Salim, I will shoot those schematics to you later on today. SJ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 24 06:48:21 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:48:21 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020420054605.02b11dd0@pop.vetor.com.br> <5.1.0.14.0.20020421053051.03011170@pop.vetor.com.br> Message-ID: <099b01c1eb4b$4388d500$163442cf@sank1> As has been said, tell your tech to try spraying a little silicon lubricant into the holes in the back of the reel motor, then running the motor in ff for some time. Your serial number is too early to have had the gear upgrade from factory, but I get the impression it has been done. If you do need either a replacement gear drive reel motor, or the motor & reel tables to do the upgrade, I can spare them from my current stock, as gear upgrade work has fallen off lately. Fortunately, your serial number is late enough(after 08677) to have already incorporated the record EQ correction from the factory. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto Flores" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > Hello Stephen > At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > Thank you so much for your great help. > I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my > technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. > Concerning the parts, where can I order them? > I'll pay with my MC card. > I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be delivered to. > Again, many thanks. > > Cheers, > Alberto Flores > > >The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the "gear > >upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the naks.com > >ftp site. Go to: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ > >with username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of the > >list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Alberto Flores" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > > > > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > > > technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. > > > > > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some other > > > related parts. > > > > > > I beg for help on: > > > > > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view and > > > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, or > > > > > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > > > > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Alberto Flores > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 24 06:52:26 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:52:26 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes References: <117.1051e811.29f35d72@aol.com> <008b01c1e943$4a6b2120$a6299bca@smarzuki> <3CC2E9DE.FEC838F0@cox.net> Message-ID: <09a301c1eb4b$d5725900$163442cf@sank1> When the slip sheets are not to blame, and the squeal is coming from the tape's travel accross guides or heads, it can be a tape base issue, which is treatable. Open reel deck people should be familiar with the method of "baking" tapes. I am not fully versed in it, but know that it involves baking the tape, out of the shell, at a low temperature of 140 degrees(F) for, I think, two or three hours. A request for info on the rec.audio.pro newsgroup, or a google search on tape baking, should yield the full procedure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes > I'm not positive of the actual quality of the TAPE or shells > used, > but they are quality 'producers' (e.g., Capital/Sinatra, Verve), > so > I'm a bit ... irked about this. ("Quality' tapes, the best > possible > brand of deck, and you oft find yourself having to throw your > collection away? Sheesh!) > > Garnered from all your comments (and THANK you for those) I guess > the best possible solution (in the hope that the squeak hasn't > yet > transferred to the tape) is to transfer the offending tapes to > new > shells and then IMMEDIATELY make backups, eh? (And, I guess, > backups > of the backups.) > > Anyone know of any good source of new (quality) shells? > > Christopher > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 24 07:00:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:00:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414131212.01fe4d60@mail.verizon.net> <002901c1eaed$6fa4bae0$9e299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <09bb01c1eb4c$eb080de0$163442cf@sank1> The Shure MR styli are actually called "Micro Ridge". The A.T. carts use a pair of magnets that stick up in a V a mm or two forward of the suspension, rather than a single, smaller magnet aft of the suspension. I think this is an inferior arrangement, and is certainly slower on transients. Otherwise, it sounds like a knock-off of a V15. Personally, I like the V15VMR/Ultra500 carts better than any MC cart I've heard(which includes a Clearaudio Insider on a Graham 2.0 on a Delphi IV). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > Sorry for getting back off topic. Marc / Stephen, is Shure's MicroLine > similar to Audio Technica's microline stylus ? I found this description for > AT-ML-150 on ebay : > > A new [in box] cartridge. Vector aligned with gold plated beryllium > cantilever this cartridge has a microline stylus and is made using a new > pure copper material.The use of pure copper wiring by Ohno Continuous > Casting,a mu-metal shielding plate btween left and right channels and the > use of two magnetic generators arranged in the shape of a V give this very > expensive cartridge a sound like no other. Well over $400 in the 1990's this > cartridge comes with 4 tonearm shell wires[thick wires with gold ends] still > in the plastic as well as a guage for measuring stylus overhang. Also > include is brush,screwdriver,plastic box, and manual instructions. A rare > find! standard mount 4 MV output and moving magnet type. best of the best. > Guaranteed. selling for a friend so I made sure it worked! Magnificent! Pay > pal, billpoint and others FREE SHIPPING! Good Luck! > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marc Stager > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > The Microline stylus is a hyperelliptical shape - wide and flat, > and it accurately traces the groove cut by the the cutting stylus, > which is, literally, a tiny sapphire chisel. Diamonds are not used > to cut records. Sapphires take a smoother polish, producing a > quieter groove. Longevity is not the most important factor here, > > As long as the edges of your stylus are rounded, it will trace the > grooves with relatively little wear, though more so than a more gently > rounded conical stylus or a fatter elliptical stylus. The tracking low > force of1.2 grams helps keep groove wear down. > > However, the same thing that makes it an accurate reproducer, ie, > the resemblance to the cutting stylus, also makes it more prone to > wear in a very destructive fashion; that tiny front-to-back dimension > of only 15 mils can quickly wear at the sides reshaping the diamond > into a very destructive tool - and you won't hear the effect until it's > too late. > > Look for rounded edges. Any flat spots, replace the stylus. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =============================== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regardless of which model you choose -- unless you are assured it has been realigned recently, have it gone over by Stephen -- it's definitely worth the cost. -- Ron Antonio Ferro wrote: > Hi naks fan, This is my first time, that i contact you.I need some > advice...I'm planning to bought a used nak...of course.But before, > i need know which is the best purchaseA 582 or a CR-7 Thanks ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I still use my old Shure V15-VMR, that I much prefer to my previous Ortofon MC cartridge. -- Ron > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =================================== > > At 4/23/02, you wrote: > > >Sorry for getting back off topic. Marc / Stephen, is Shure's MicroLine > >similar to Audio Technica's microline stylus ? I found this description for > >AT-ML-150 on ebay : > > > >A new [in box] cartridge. Vector aligned with gold plated beryllium > >cantilever this cartridge has a microline stylus and is made using a new > >pure copper material.The use of pure copper wiring by Ohno Continuous > >Casting,a mu-metal shielding plate btween left and right channels and the > >use of two magnetic generators arranged in the shape of a V give this very > >expensive cartridge a sound like no other. Well over $400 in the 1990's this > >cartridge comes with 4 tonearm shell wires[thick wires with gold ends] still > >in the plastic as well as a guage for measuring stylus overhang. Also > >include is brush,screwdriver,plastic box, and manual instructions. A rare > >find! standard mount 4 MV output and moving magnet type. best of the best. > >Guaranteed. selling for a friend so I made sure it worked! Magnificent! Pay > >pal, billpoint and others FREE SHIPPING! Good Luck! > > > >Thanks, > >Salim SM > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Marc Stager > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:29 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 > > > > > >The Microline stylus is a hyperelliptical shape - wide and flat, > >and it accurately traces the groove cut by the the cutting stylus, > >which is, literally, a tiny sapphire chisel. Diamonds are not used > >to cut records. Sapphires take a smoother polish, producing a > >quieter groove. Longevity is not the most important factor here, > > > >As long as the edges of your stylus are rounded, it will trace the > >grooves with relatively little wear, though more so than a more gently > >rounded conical stylus or a fatter elliptical stylus. The tracking low > >force of1.2 grams helps keep groove wear down. > > > >However, the same thing that makes it an accurate reproducer, ie, > >the resemblance to the cutting stylus, also makes it more prone to > >wear in a very destructive fashion; that tiny front-to-back dimension > >of only 15 mils can quickly wear at the sides reshaping the diamond > >into a very destructive tool - and you won't hear the effect until it's > >too late. > > > >Look for rounded edges. Any flat spots, replace the stylus. > > > >________________ Marc Stager > > > >=============================== > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Apr 24 06:38:00 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 23:38:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2173 (Duffer & Squeaky Tapes) Message-ID: Hello Mr. Blues! The Maxell XL II-S tapes are still available from Terrapin Tapes at: www.ttapes.com. The 90's are $1.25 and the 100's are $1.60. The standard XL II 60's are $0.85 and the 90's are $0.80 (Yes, cheaper than the 60's). About 18-24 months ago, they put out a notice that the XL II-S tapes were no longer manufactured, but were still warehoused (somewhere, but that seems to be their secret), and would be available until supplies were exhausted. Hopefully, this will relieve some of your blues, so you can enjoy more of the BLUES! Kent Merideth Indiana >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 04/22/02 07:07PM >>> Greetings.... Whoops, you guys should realise that the longer tapes have reduced thickness, and (I believe) are prone easily to stretching and breakage. That causes squeakiness too, as the stretched tape wraps inconsistently. I recollect the grand old tape man (Carlos Guzman) swearing that anyone who tried to use 110s or 100s deserves to have magnetic tape wrapping around their dual capstans. I believe he made that statement in jest, but it does emphasize the vulnerabilities of using the longer cassette tapes with class cassette decks. My parting comment is that all 110s are duffers, and good luck (take your chances) with 100s! Personally, I prefer using the Maxell XLIIS 60s/90s. Alas, those are no longer manufactured (boohoo for me). Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html On Tue, 23 Apr 2002 02:02:31 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, April 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2173 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:55:11 +0100 >From: "Graham Nelson" >Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes > >I recently bought some Maxell Metal CD 110's. Disaster! The first tape >broke when I rewound it after finishing recording. The second leaked out >tape through the spool when I pressed play to hear what I had just recorded! >I've two more but I think they are going into the trash can .... Anyone >else had problems with these?? > >Graham > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:14:46 +0100 >From: "Sinclair Forrest" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes > >Not yet, Graham, but one is quite squeaky. I bought a batch of twenty and >while the sound quality is very good, I don't think they're in the same >class as the old MX range mechanically. > >Sinclair > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2173 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Apr 24 16:01:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:01:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414131212.01fe4d60@mail.verizon.net> <002901c1eaed$6fa4bae0$9e299bca@smarzuki> <09bb01c1eb4c$eb080de0$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000e01c1eb98$897b4c80$e4299bca@smarzuki> Thank you Marc and Stephen for the info, i wish there were more LPs around here to justify stylus upgrade ! (right now still stuck with old late 70s collection ... :-( Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 The Shure MR styli are actually called "Micro Ridge". The A.T. carts use a pair of magnets that stick up in a V a mm or two forward of the suspension, rather than a single, smaller magnet aft of the suspension. I think this is an inferior arrangement, and is certainly slower on transients. Otherwise, it sounds like a knock-off of a V15. Personally, I like the V15VMR/Ultra500 carts better than any MC cart I've heard(which includes a Clearaudio Insider on a Graham 2.0 on a Delphi IV). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Apr 24 16:06:30 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 10:06:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF075D@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Stephen; Have you ever tried Rubber Renu on the older style idler tire for the CR-7A. I've been debating buying the upgrade kit and installing it in mine as I've decided to remove my 581 from the cabinet and put it up for sale and rearrange things to fit the CR-7A. I applied the Rubber Renu to the idler tire and it is working great, the surface feels like a new tire. I don't have much longevity on it yet, time will tell. Still wish I could find a new front panel without spending an arm and a leg. When I had the CR-7A open I noticed it uses Michicon MUSE caps for decoupling the audio stages, I don't think my 581 had this quality of Cap in it. This could have alot to do with the improved sound of the CR-7A over other models. I also build diode bridges out of separate GI851 diodes and installed them in place of the bridge networks in the power supply. The GI851 are like the HexFreds, they lower the sound floor and add new dynamics to the sound. I also remove the 4558 op amps in the signal path as from past experience these can smear the sound field depending on the dynamics of instruments. I've really noticed this with a classical piece. I replaced them with Burr-Brown OPA-2604's. I left the 072 op amps in the unit as they are good performers. Kurtis > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:48 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > As has been said, tell your tech to try spraying a little silicon > lubricant > into the holes in the back of the reel motor, then running the motor in ff > for some time. Your serial number is too early to have had the gear > upgrade > from factory, but I get the impression it has been done. If you do need > either a replacement gear drive reel motor, or the motor & reel tables to > do > the upgrade, I can spare them from my current stock, as gear upgrade work > has fallen off lately. > Fortunately, your serial number is late enough(after 08677) to have > already > incorporated the record EQ correction from the factory. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alberto Flores" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:38 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > Hello Stephen > > At 20/4/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > > > Thank you so much for your great help. > > I have printed the mentioned document that will be forwarded to my > > technician, for analysis and a list of parts needed. > > Concerning the parts, where can I order them? > > I'll pay with my MC card. > > I have the address of a friend, in NYC, where the parts can be delivered > to. > > Again, many thanks. > > > > Cheers, > > Alberto Flores > > > > >The information you need is not in the CR-7 service manual, but in the > "gear > > >upgrade" service bulletin, which is available for download on the > naks.com > > >ftp site. Go to: > http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ > > >with username= "naktalk" & username= "limited", and go to the bottom of > the > > >list to download "gearmod.pdf". > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Alberto Flores" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 2:48 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Need HELP on Nak CR-7A > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am from Brazil where there are no Nakamichi dealers. > > > > > > > > My CR-7A tape-deck (serial no. A-130 09540) needs repairs and the > > > > technician that services my equipment has no service manual for it. > > > > > > > > The problem involves the replacement of the reel motor and some > other > > > > related parts. > > > > > > > > I beg for help on: > > > > > > > > -A helpful soul that can scan and e-mail (or fax) the exploded view > and > > > > corresponding parts-list of the pages related to the problem above, > or > > > > > > > > -Where can I buy the CR-7A Service Manual, and > > > > > > > > -Where can I buy the parts I will need to replace. > > > > > > > > Any help will be much appreciated. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Alberto Flores > > > > > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > = > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > ======== > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 24 17:22:28 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:22:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] A quick set of guidelines for buying used Naks Message-ID: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> Copying an email I wrote last night to someone buying a 680ZX, which is a good set of guidelines for checking out any Nak deck- Things to look for are: 1)When you reach in & press down on each pinch roller, they should move easily against firm spring pressure, and they should snap right back up. Best to remove the door, close the frame, put it in play mode & then press down on each roller, as there will be much more range of movement for examination.(this one applies to real-Nak-transport Naks) 2)Check ability to record. The dreaded orange film capacitors fail first in the erase/bias oscillator. 3)Check for tape skewing by playing the worst condition music tape you have. Play first from near the beginning of a side & listen for the treble to either fade out or take a moment to come up, then do the same near the end of a side. Then do the same with your best condition music tape. 4)If you can find a prerecorded tape of a CD you have, or vice versa, or have a tape of a cd recorded on a good working Dragon, play both tape & cd at the same time to check for pitch accuracy & general pb sound quality. 5)Using a TDK D, SA or MA tape, or a Maxell XL-II, MX or MX-S tape, check that it is possible to do the user calibrations(when present) with the proper results, as specified in the user manual, without having to be near the extremes of any of the calibration controls. 6)Leave the deck running for several hours, or overnight, then record & play several songs, listening for any odd clicks, pops, distortions or other anomalies. 7)Of course, check that the deck has no trouble rewinding & fast forwarding through an entire C-90 or longer tape. If the deck fails any of the above tests, it should be serviced. Otherwise, you can have a fair amount of confidence that it won't be giving you any trouble, at least for a while. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Apr 24 17:41:39 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf@sank1> I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where it sounded best on all tapes used. At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within about 0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above 12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up by a bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble "sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily perceivable difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The UX(I forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end air & a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD source. So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in general remains unchanged. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed Apr 24 17:42:31 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes In-Reply-To: <09a301c1eb4b$d5725900$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1eba6$a6207cd0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I have learned thru the Studer talk groups that a food dehydrator or is often used for baking tapes. One of the important steps in the procedure is to let the tape cool for a few days before playing. From what they say, this is really critical. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes When the slip sheets are not to blame, and the squeal is coming from the tape's travel accross guides or heads, it can be a tape base issue, which is treatable. Open reel deck people should be familiar with the method of "baking" tapes. I am not fully versed in it, but know that it involves baking the tape, out of the shell, at a low temperature of 140 degrees(F) for, I think, two or three hours. A request for info on the rec.audio.pro newsgroup, or a google search on tape baking, should yield the full procedure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher" To: Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Squeeeeeaky Tapes > I'm not positive of the actual quality of the TAPE or shells > used, > but they are quality 'producers' (e.g., Capital/Sinatra, Verve), > so > I'm a bit ... irked about this. ("Quality' tapes, the best > possible > brand of deck, and you oft find yourself having to throw your > collection away? Sheesh!) > > Garnered from all your comments (and THANK you for those) I guess > the best possible solution (in the hope that the squeak hasn't > yet > transferred to the tape) is to transfer the offending tapes to > new > shells and then IMMEDIATELY make backups, eh? (And, I guess, > backups > of the backups.) > > Anyone know of any good source of new (quality) shells? > > Christopher > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <010701c1ebb0$15914d20$293442cf@sank1> Crap, I forgot that I had an MA-XG on hand to test! I'll try to do that tape next really perfect deck I get time to listen to, which should be in the next day or two. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Barr" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > HI Stephen, > > Thank you for the home testing from the bench. That was very interesting. I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the MA-XG in lieu of your test results. I recently recorded over an old (e.g. at least 13 years old) TDK MA-XG and the recording is simply superb! I've even shared it with a few of my professional buddies and regardless of the playback medium the performance is great. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised as I don't recall this level of performance from these cassettes using my old Nak BX-150 or Teac RX-919x. > > I had 11 and was only able to recover one as the others were destroyed due to water damage from my storage area. Anyway, my Stephen-sank tuned CR-7a seems to REALLY like old TDK MA's and MA-XG's. Fortunately for me, it also seems to really like Maxell XL-II's of any variety, although again the older models seem to out perform the new one's. I've made some nice recordings on old XL-IIs as well. > > It's been a long time, how is everyone? > > -Sam > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master > >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE901D2F001740043715C14EE13808EA0; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0700 > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18323for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:22 +0200 > >Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18320for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:19 +0200 > >Received: from sank1 (abq-143.thuntek.net [207.66.52.143])by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g3OFdbT54886for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:39:37 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:43:32 -0700 > >Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf at sank1> > >Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > >Precedence: bulk > > > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & > >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a > >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys > >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was > >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime > >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where > >it sounded best on all tapes used. > > > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within about > >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above > >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd > >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up by a > >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On > >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble > >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than > >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily perceivable > >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the > >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. > >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the > >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the > >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater > >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The UX(I > >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone > >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end air & > >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD > >source. > >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master > >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous > >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in general > >remains unchanged. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Apr 24 18:51:07 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:51:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] A quick set of guidelines for buying used Naks References: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000b01c1ebb0$3aee9410$3db5b742@pii366custom> Re: The Quick Set Of Guidelines For Buying Used Naks Once again want to show our appreciation to Stephen for his generosity in regards to sharing his time and vast knowledge of our hobby with us. I am the one who bought the 680 ZX. Stephen your suggestions are much appreciated!! Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From samuelbarr at hotmail.com Wed Apr 24 19:22:18 2002 From: samuelbarr at hotmail.com (Sam Barr) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:22:18 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 24 19:41:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:41:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c1ebb7$36a4d840$af3887d9@a4s1s2> Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Heh! Heh! Like that idea, Mark! Fortunately, not valuable as I can always do them again - a couple of LP archives that I'd only just done and not even been able to replay, the tapes broke so fast. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 24 19:41:37 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:41:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... References: <010701c1ebb0$15914d20$293442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <026a01c1ebb7$48f45840$53756acf@johnnyrotten> I bet that will be my 700 ZXL ;-) Johnny Hopeful ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > Crap, I forgot that I had an MA-XG on hand to test! I'll try to do that > tape next really perfect deck I get time to listen to, which should be in > the next day or two. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Barr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > > > > HI Stephen, > > > > Thank you for the home testing from the bench. That was very interesting. > I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the MA-XG in lieu of your test results. > I recently recorded over an old (e.g. at least 13 years old) TDK MA-XG and > the recording is simply superb! I've even shared it with a few of my > professional buddies and regardless of the playback medium the performance > is great. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised as I don't recall this > level of performance from these cassettes using my old Nak BX-150 or Teac > RX-919x. > > > > I had 11 and was only able to recover one as the others were destroyed due > to water damage from my storage area. Anyway, my Stephen-sank tuned CR-7a > seems to REALLY like old TDK MA's and MA-XG's. Fortunately for me, it also > seems to really like Maxell XL-II's of any variety, although again the older > models seem to out perform the new one's. I've made some nice recordings on > old XL-IIs as well. > > > > It's been a long time, how is everyone? > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: > > >Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & > Metal Master > > >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 > > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > MHotMailBE901D2F001740043715C14EE13808EA0; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0700 > > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > SAA18323for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:22 +0200 > > >Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15])by > zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18320for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 > 18:38:19 +0200 > > >Received: from sank1 (abq-143.thuntek.net [207.66.52.143])by > mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g3OFdbT54886for ; Wed, 24 Apr > 2002 09:39:37 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) > > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:43:32 -0700 > > >Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf at sank1> > > >Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & > > >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a > > >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys > > >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was > > >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime > > >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where > > >it sounded best on all tapes used. > > > > > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within > about > > >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above > > >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd > > >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up > by a > > >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On > > >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble > > >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than > > >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily > perceivable > > >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the > > >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. > > >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the > > >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the > > >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater > > >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The > UX(I > > >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone > > >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end > air & > > >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD > > >source. > > >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master > > >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous > > >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in > general > > >remains unchanged. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 24 19:49:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:49:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Squeeeeeeaky tapes: baking suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002101c1ebb8$5bada120$af3887d9@a4s1s2> Marc No! NO! No! I was going to suggest a nice mature Bordeaux Claret .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 24 April 2002 11:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Squeeeeeeaky tapes: baking suggestions Stephen wrote: ...........it involves baking the tape, out of the shell, at a low temperature of 140 degrees(F) for, I think, two or three hours. A request for info on the rec.audio.pro newsgroup, or a google search on tape baking, should yield the full procedure. Great to hear from you Stephen, I just wanted to pre-empt Graham before he suggested that a nicely baked tape should preferably be served with an unwooded Sauvignon Blanc............. Cheers, Marc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 24 19:57:13 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:57:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes References: <001c01c1ebb7$36a4d840$af3887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <027601c1ebb9$7755bfb0$53756acf@johnnyrotten> Graham, The Hi-Fi News email address was returned. Do you know if they have a web page, I can't find one. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Duff tapes Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Heh! Heh! Like that idea, Mark! Fortunately, not valuable as I can always do them again - a couple of LP archives that I'd only just done and not even been able to replay, the tapes broke so fast. Cheers Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 24 20:38:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:38:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes In-Reply-To: <027601c1ebb9$7755bfb0$53756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002c01c1ebbf$3ae5bca0$af3887d9@a4s1s2> John Righto - I see what I can find. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 24 April 2002 06:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes Graham, The Hi-Fi News email address was returned. Do you know if they have a web page, I can't find one. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Duff tapes Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Heh! Heh! Like that idea, Mark! Fortunately, not valuable as I can always do them again - a couple of LP archives that I'd only just done and not even been able to replay, the tapes broke so fast. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Apr 24 20:41:48 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:41:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... Message-ID: Mine has been "laid-up" since last year. Maybe it's my 700ZXL. Could it be ready by the piano dedication on May 5? That would mean delivery by May 3. Will be using TDK MA-XG 90 for that recording. If your findings prove that MX or MX-S would be better, can use either one from stock. By the way Stephen, when do you SLEEP, or are you like TAE (Thomas Alva Edison) who could catch a few cat-naps throughout the day, and seemed to do quite well that way? Should we hold back on suggesting people contact you for work on their equipment, until you get more caught up? Have you had any takers, through Naktalk or otherwise, on the technician position? Whatever you do, don't stretch yourself too thin. Thanks for all the assistance you hand out so freely. Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/24/02 12:41PM >>> I bet that will be my 700 ZXL ;-) Johnny Hopeful ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > Crap, I forgot that I had an MA-XG on hand to test! I'll try to do that > tape next really perfect deck I get time to listen to, which should be in > the next day or two. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Barr" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:30 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > > > > HI Stephen, > > > > Thank you for the home testing from the bench. That was very interesting. > I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the MA-XG in lieu of your test results. > I recently recorded over an old (e.g. at least 13 years old) TDK MA-XG and > the recording is simply superb! I've even shared it with a few of my > professional buddies and regardless of the playback medium the performance > is great. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised as I don't recall this > level of performance from these cassettes using my old Nak BX-150 or Teac > RX-919x. > > > > I had 11 and was only able to recover one as the others were destroyed due > to water damage from my storage area. Anyway, my Stephen-sank tuned CR-7a > seems to REALLY like old TDK MA's and MA-XG's. Fortunately for me, it also > seems to really like Maxell XL-II's of any variety, although again the older > models seem to out perform the new one's. I've made some nice recordings on > old XL-IIs as well. > > > > It's been a long time, how is everyone? > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: > > >Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & > Metal Master > > >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 > > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > MHotMailBE901D2F001740043715C14EE13808EA0; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0700 > > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id > SAA18323for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:22 +0200 > > >Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15])by > zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18320for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 > 18:38:19 +0200 > > >Received: from sank1 (abq-143.thuntek.net [207.66.52.143])by > mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g3OFdbT54886for ; Wed, 24 Apr > 2002 09:39:37 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) > > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:43:32 -0700 > > >Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf at sank1> > > >Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & > > >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a > > >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys > > >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was > > >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime > > >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where > > >it sounded best on all tapes used. > > > > > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within > about > > >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above > > >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd > > >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up > by a > > >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On > > >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble > > >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than > > >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily > perceivable > > >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the > > >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. > > >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the > > >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the > > >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater > > >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The > UX(I > > >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone > > >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end > air & > > >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD > > >source. > > >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master > > >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous > > >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in > general > > >remains unchanged. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 24 20:58:32 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 14:58:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] A quick set of guidelines for buying used Naks References: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CC70058.539C3E0C@rcn.com> While I can't argue with any of Stephen's comments, my view is that any deck up for sale probably has not been serviced for quite some time. Therefore, I think it prudent to budget beforehand for complete maintenance. The listed checks are still a good idea, to preclude expensive gotchas. They take but a moment and usually impress the seller no end. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > Copying an email I wrote last night to someone buying a 680ZX, which is a > good set of guidelines for checking out any Nak deck- > > Things to look for are: > 1)When you reach in & press down on each pinch roller, they should move > easily against firm spring pressure, and they should snap right back up. > Best to remove the door, close the frame, put it in play mode & then press > down on each roller, as there will be much more range of movement for > examination.(this one applies to real-Nak-transport Naks) > 2)Check ability to record. The dreaded orange film capacitors fail first in > the erase/bias oscillator. > 3)Check for tape skewing by playing the worst condition music tape you have. > Play first from near the beginning of a side & listen for the treble to > either fade out or take a moment to come up, then do the same near the end > of a side. Then do the same with your best condition music tape. > 4)If you can find a prerecorded tape of a CD you have, or vice versa, or > have a tape of a cd recorded on a good working Dragon, play both tape & cd > at the same time to check for pitch accuracy & general pb sound quality. > 5)Using a TDK D, SA or MA tape, or a Maxell XL-II, MX or MX-S tape, check > that it is possible to do the user calibrations(when present) with the > proper results, as specified in the user manual, without having to be near > the extremes of any of the calibration controls. > 6)Leave the deck running for several hours, or overnight, then record & play > several songs, listening for any odd clicks, pops, distortions or other > anomalies. > 7)Of course, check that the deck has no trouble rewinding & fast forwarding > through an entire C-90 or longer tape. > If the deck fails any of the above tests, it should be serviced. Otherwise, > you can have a fair amount of confidence that it won't be giving you any > trouble, at least for a while. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Apr 24 21:11:24 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:11:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master References: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CC7035C.2832083@rcn.com> I performed similar testing many years ago, on several other tapes. I am surprised to see results are still similar, after all this time. AS i RECALL, The Maxell XL-II came up on top, second only to the TDK MA (by a slight margin) and NOT superiour to the more expensive XL-IIS. The decks used were a 582 and a home brew, built around a Raymond industrial cassette transport. A couple of years ago, I repeated the listening portion of the test, using a CR-7a, on tapes I had on hand at home. Same results. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & > the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a > fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys > had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was > on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime > condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where > it sounded best on all tapes used. > > At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within about > 0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above > 12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd > response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up by a > bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On > rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble > "sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than > MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily perceivable > difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the > Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. > The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the > Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the > same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater > degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The UX(I > forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone > test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end air & > a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD > source. > So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master > tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous > consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in general > remains unchanged. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 24 21:22:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:22:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes In-Reply-To: <027601c1ebb9$7755bfb0$53756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003501c1ebc5$5d161ee0$af3887d9@a4s1s2> Hi John Got it! Web site is: http://www.countrylife.co.uk/subscriptions/hi-fi.htm Contact e-Mail: ipcsubs at qss-uk.com or steveharris at ipcmedia.com Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 24 April 2002 06:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes Graham, The Hi-Fi News email address was returned. Do you know if they have a web page, I can't find one. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Duff tapes Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Heh! Heh! Like that idea, Mark! Fortunately, not valuable as I can always do them again - a couple of LP archives that I'd only just done and not even been able to replay, the tapes broke so fast. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Apr 24 21:38:16 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:38:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes References: <003501c1ebc5$5d161ee0$af3887d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <030d01c1ebc7$94dd60c0$53756acf@johnnyrotten> Wonderful Graham, thank you. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:22 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Duff tapes Hi John Got it! Web site is: http://www.countrylife.co.uk/subscriptions/hi-fi.htm Contact e-Mail: ipcsubs at qss-uk.com or steveharris at ipcmedia.com Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 24 April 2002 06:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes Graham, The Hi-Fi News email address was returned. Do you know if they have a web page, I can't find one. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Duff tapes Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Heh! Heh! Like that idea, Mark! Fortunately, not valuable as I can always do them again - a couple of LP archives that I'd only just done and not even been able to replay, the tapes broke so fast. Cheers Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed Apr 24 21:47:34 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:47:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... References: Message-ID: <008f01c1ebc8$e19b4340$85021fac@brianm> Sam, my Brother, you are back!!!!!! I thought I lost ya man! Drop me a line!!! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Barr To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... HI Stephen, Thank you for the home testing from the bench. That was very interesting. I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the MA-XG in lieu of your test results. I recently recorded over an old (e.g. at least 13 years old) TDK MA-XG and the recording is simply superb! I've even shared it with a few of my professional buddies and regardless of the playback medium the performance is great. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised as I don't recall this level of performance from these cassettes using my old Nak BX-150 or Teac RX-919x. I had 11 and was only able to recover one as the others were destroyed due to water damage from my storage area. Anyway, my Stephen-sank tuned CR-7a seems to REALLY like old TDK MA's and MA-XG's. Fortunately for me, it also seems to really like Maxell XL-II's of any variety, although again the older models seem to out perform the new one's. I've made some nice recordings on old XL-IIs as well. It's been a long time, how is everyone? -Sam >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE901D2F001740043715C14EE13808EA0; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0700 >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18323for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:22 +0200 >Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18320for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:19 +0200 >Received: from sank1 (abq-143.thuntek.net [207.66.52.143])by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g3OFdbT54886for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:39:37 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:43:32 -0700 >Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf at sank1> >Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com >Precedence: bulk > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where >it sounded best on all tapes used. > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within about >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up by a >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily perceivable >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The UX(I >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end air & >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD >source. >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in general >remains unchanged. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Apr 24 21:00:30 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 20:00:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master Message-ID: <3CC79E25@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Interesting results, but might they not be different if a Nak with superior bias and eq facilities were used? Fred Moss ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where >it sounded best on all tapes used. > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within about >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up by a >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily perceivable >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The UX(I >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end air & >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD >source. >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in general >remains unchanged. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Apr 24 21:57:05 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 12:57:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... References: <008f01c1ebc8$e19b4340$85021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CC70E11.34A93E55@earthlink.net> Yeah, Sam. Where have you been?? We've missed you! Brian Miller wrote: > Sam, my Brother, you are back!!!!!! I thought I lost ya man! Drop me > a line!!! Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sam Barr > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:30 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > HI Stephen, > > Thank you for the home testing from the bench. That was > very interesting. I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the > MA-XG in lieu of your test results. I recently recorded > over an old (e.g. at least 13 years old) TDK MA-XG and the > recording is simply superb! I've even shared it with a few > of my professional buddies and regardless of the playback > medium the performance is great. I must admit I was > pleasantly surprised as I don't recall this level of > performance from these cassettes using my old Nak BX-150 or > Teac RX-919x. > > I had 11 and was only able to recover one as the others were > destroyed due to water damage from my storage area. Anyway, > my Stephen-sank tuned CR-7a seems to REALLY like old TDK > MA's and MA-XG's. Fortunately for me, it also seems to > really like Maxell XL-II's of any variety, although again > the older models seem to out perform the new one's. I've > made some nice recordings on old XL-IIs as well. > > It's been a long time, how is everyone? > > -Sam > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, > Metal ES & Metal Master > >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with > ESMTP id MHotMailBE901D2F001740043715C14EE13808EA0; Wed, 24 > Apr 2002 08:42:20 -0700 > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com > (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA18323for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr > 2002 18:38:22 +0200 > >Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net > [206.206.98.15])by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP > id SAA18320for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:19 +0200 > >Received: from sank1 (abq-143.thuntek.net > [207.66.52.143])by mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with > SMTP id g3OFdbT54886for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:39:37 -0600 > (MDT)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:43:32 > -0700 > >Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf at sank1> > >Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > >Precedence: bulk > > > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests > with Maxells & > >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client > furnished a > >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. > One of our guys > >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at > all. Test was > >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which > was in prime > >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking > +7VU or so, where > >it sounded best on all tapes used. > > > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat > response within about > >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the > usual 1dB+ above > >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded > a rather odd > >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, > then 12k-15k up by a > >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz > up 1-1.5dB. On > >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper > treble > >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in > the treble than > >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other > easily perceivable > >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the > tones test, the > >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass > region. > >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone > testing as the > >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES > had about the > >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a > slightly greater > >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass > region. The UX(I > >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly > the same tone > >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss > of top end air & > >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually > identical to CD > >source. > >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & > Metal Master > >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So > my previous > >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in > Naks & in general > >remains unchanged. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========----------------------- > ------------------------------------------========= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS > LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From CSCARLSON at stoel.com Wed Apr 24 22:20:47 2002 From: CSCARLSON at stoel.com (Carlson, Cary) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:20:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700 manuals etc. Message-ID: <7A19FAD11CB33444AB95674C1F94018C084D62@PDX-MX2.stoel.com> Thanks to Pavel and Nicholas for your responses! let me know when you have the manuals scanned. Another Question: This is the first deck I've seen with a ground connection. How important is it? I'm used to seeing one on turntables. Would it connect to the same ground on my receiver as the phono? I've noticed a low-freq hum from the line outputs, maybe proper grounding would help this? thanks again, Cary ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Wed Apr 24 22:29:41 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:29:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak480 problem Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE04C@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hi all, Been trying to trouble-shoot recordings made on a recently purchased nak480. Heads, rollers, capstans have been cleaned & demagnetized. The playback of tapes recorded on the unit sound great on the 480, but not good in car or other decks. Further, tapes recorded with other decks dont perform well when played back on the 480. Are we looking at an alignment problem, or something else? Allbeit, the 480 is an entry- level nak, but some would say that it is still a better deck than other brand's high end models. I could agree if all my cassette decks would just get along with each other. If the 480 sould need service, would the cost overshadow the deck's value (would it be worth fixing)? Or would it be wiser to look for a different deck? thanx, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Apr 24 22:44:48 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 21:44:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Duff tapes Message-ID: <01C1EBD9.AB5B4300.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> John, The link to Hi-Fi News that I use is: http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hfnrr/, but I have deleted the original question. Is this what you are after? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Wednesday, 24 April, 2002 18:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Duff tapes << File: ATT00030.htm >> Graham, The Hi-Fi News email address was returned. Do you know if they have a web page, I can't find one. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Duff tapes Sorry to hear that Graham. If they were valuable recordings, I would use a hammer to enhance end-user satsifaction. Heh! Heh! Like that idea, Mark! Fortunately, not valuable as I can always do them again - a couple of LP archives that I'd only just done and not even been able to replay, the tapes broke so fast. Cheers Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Apr 25 00:52:51 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:52:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Greetings (& RX-505 Request) Message-ID: Greetings, I'm quite pleased with the results of my search on the support.naks.com ftp site for the RX-505 service manual. Downloaded that and also downloaded the LizardTech/Dejvu browser plugin software. Presto, easy to access technical details as a reference on my favorite Nak deck! Many thanks to Nicholas and Graham for their swift response to my request, greatly appreciated!!! That's the nice thing about the NakTalk community, very friendly and helpful. I'm glad I dropped back in for a visit. In case any of you keen Nakamichi internet browsers are interested, I've made some updates on my Nakamichi Cyberspot website. I found an article on the 1000 ZXL Limited that is quite intriguing, I will have that posted on the website by this weekend. Also, I've added a few classic brochure graphics and links. Have a peek, and enjoy some interesting viewing: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html I want to take an opportunity to introduce another Nakamichi deck owner, a personal friend of mine, who has just recently subscribed to NakTalk. His name is Michael DeWire, and he lives close to Chicago, Illinois USA. Michael and I are huge classic Marantz audio gear enthusiasts, and we have a common interest in analogue/digital music recording. Michael is an accomplished audio/visual recording engineer, and he cetainly knows his technical stuff. Well, consider this a brief introduction for Michael, with minimal fanfare please . I hope that the NakTalk brotherhood will welcome him into the group scene. Best Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ On Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:56:05 The BlueSwapper wrote: >Greetings, I'm an old NakTalker from the late '90s, decided to come back to visit the group. Do any of the oldsters remember me? > >My main reason for connecting is to ask if anyone has an RX-505 service manual that they might consider sharing. Also, are there any manuals available on the Naks.Com FTP site? > >Thanks, and keep on NakTalking.... > >K.J. Bleus >Madison, Wi USA > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 25 01:16:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:16:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Greetings Michael DeWire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <005101c1ebe6$09a68d00$af3887d9@a4s1s2> Any friend of Mr Blues is a friend of mine! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: 24 April 2002 11:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Greetings (& RX-505 Request) Greetings, I'm quite pleased with the results of my search on the support.naks.com ftp site for the RX-505 service manual. Downloaded that and also downloaded the LizardTech/Dejvu browser plugin software. Presto, easy to access technical details as a reference on my favorite Nak deck! Many thanks to Nicholas and Graham for their swift response to my request, greatly appreciated!!! That's the nice thing about the NakTalk community, very friendly and helpful. I'm glad I dropped back in for a visit. In case any of you keen Nakamichi internet browsers are interested, I've made some updates on my Nakamichi Cyberspot website. I found an article on the 1000 ZXL Limited that is quite intriguing, I will have that posted on the website by this weekend. Also, I've added a few classic brochure graphics and links. Have a peek, and enjoy some interesting viewing: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html I want to take an opportunity to introduce another Nakamichi deck owner, a personal friend of mine, who has just recently subscribed to NakTalk. His name is Michael DeWire, and he lives close to Chicago, Illinois USA. Michael and I are huge classic Marantz audio gear enthusiasts, and we have a common interest in analogue/digital music recording. Michael is an accomplished audio/visual recording engineer, and he cetainly knows his technical stuff. Well, consider this a brief introduction for Michael, with minimal fanfare please . I hope that the NakTalk brotherhood will welcome him into the group scene. Best Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.350 / Virus Database: 196 - Release Date: 17/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 25 03:11:36 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:11:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... References: Message-ID: <016c01c1ebf6$26bbab40$293442cf@sank1> No, it probably will be Kevin's 1000ZXL that I didn't quite finish today. And I get maybe 4 hours sleep on average. But I NEED 7 hours minimum to feel OK. My new assistant, son of one of our Naktalkers, arrived this past Saturday, and is showing promise. And Misha is hoping to get here by August to join us, if the visa issues can be figured out. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > Mine has been "laid-up" since last year. Maybe it's my 700ZXL. Could > it be ready by the piano dedication on May 5? That would mean delivery > by May 3. Will be using TDK MA-XG 90 for that recording. If your > findings prove that MX or MX-S would be better, can use either one from > stock. By the way Stephen, when do you SLEEP, or are you like TAE > (Thomas Alva Edison) who could catch a few cat-naps throughout the day, > and seemed to do quite well that way? > > Should we hold back on suggesting people contact you for work on their > equipment, until you get more caught up? Have you had any takers, > through Naktalk or otherwise, on the technician position? Whatever you > do, don't stretch yourself too thin. > > Thanks for all the assistance you hand out so freely. > > Kent > > >>> jmtooley at ce.net 04/24/02 12:41PM >>> > I bet that will be my 700 ZXL ;-) > > Johnny Hopeful > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > > > > Crap, I forgot that I had an MA-XG on hand to test! I'll try to do > that > > tape next really perfect deck I get time to listen to, which should be > in > > the next day or two. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Barr" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 10:30 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... > > > > > > > HI Stephen, > > > > > > Thank you for the home testing from the bench. That was very > interesting. > > I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the MA-XG in lieu of your test > results. > > I recently recorded over an old (e.g. at least 13 years old) TDK MA-XG > and > > the recording is simply superb! I've even shared it with a few of my > > professional buddies and regardless of the playback medium the > performance > > is great. I must admit I was pleasantly surprised as I don't recall > this > > level of performance from these cassettes using my old Nak BX-150 or > Teac > > RX-919x. > > > > > > I had 11 and was only able to recover one as the others were > destroyed > due > > to water damage from my storage area. Anyway, my Stephen-sank tuned > CR-7a > > seems to REALLY like old TDK MA's and MA-XG's. Fortunately for me, it > also > > seems to really like Maxell XL-II's of any variety, although again the > older > > models seem to out perform the new one's. I've made some nice > recordings > on > > old XL-IIs as well. > > > > > > It's been a long time, how is everyone? > > > > > > -Sam > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES > & > > Metal Master > > > >Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:41:39 -0600 > > > >Received: from [193.78.225.56] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > MHotMailBE901D2F001740043715C14EE13808EA0; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:42:20 > -0700 > > > >Received: (from majordomo at localhost)by zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) > id > > SAA18323for naktalk-outgoing; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 18:38:22 +0200 > > > >Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net > [206.206.98.15])by > > zebra.naks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA18320for ; Wed, 24 Apr > 2002 > > 18:38:19 +0200 > > > >Received: from sank1 (abq-143.thuntek.net [207.66.52.143])by > > mail2.thuntek.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with SMTP id g3OFdbT54886for ; Wed, > 24 > Apr > > 2002 09:39:37 -0600 (MDT)(envelope-from bk11 at thuntek.net) > > > >From owner-naktalk at zebra.naks.com Wed, 24 Apr 2002 08:43:32 -0700 > > > >Message-ID: <00de01c1eba6$870c18e0$293442cf at sank1> > > > >Organization: Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 > > > >Sender: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > > > > > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with > Maxells > & > > > >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client > furnished a > > > >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our > guys > > > >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. > Test > was > > > >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in > prime > > > >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, > where > > > >it sounded best on all tapes used. > > > > > > > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response > within > > about > > > >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ > above > > > >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather > odd > > > >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then > 12k-15k up > > by a > > > >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up > 1-1.5dB. > On > > > >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble > > > >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble > than > > > >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily > > perceivable > > > >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, > the > > > >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. > > > >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as > the > > > >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about > the > > > >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly > greater > > > >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. > The > > UX(I > > > >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the > same > tone > > > >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top > end > > air & > > > >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical > to > CD > > > >source. > > > >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal > Master > > > >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my > previous > > > >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in > > general > > > >remains unchanged. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > > resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > > ======== > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette > > Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 25 03:17:29 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:17:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master References: <3CC79E25@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <017201c1ebf6$f84a8500$293442cf@sank1> Well, I would say Ron's comparison on a CR-7 would answer that question as "no". I would rather do such testing on a non-auto-cal deck of high calibre, since I will know for sure where a tape's frequency response anomalies are vs accepted normality, which I would say is a very good indication of quality. In fact, I may wait until I have Graham's or Tom S.'s RX505 done to do the test with the MA-XG, this being what I consider perhaps second only to the CR-5 as the best non-auto-cal Nak ever. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master > >Interesting results, but might they not be different if a Nak with superior > bias and eq facilities were used? > > Fred Moss > > > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >I finally had a chance to do measurement & listening tests with Maxells & > >the good Sony's, due to a local client request. The client furnished a > >fresh, sealed Metal Master & the top grade of UX chrome. One of our guys > >had already sent me a Metal ES, which I had not yet used at all. Test was > >on the client's CR-3A, which I had just calibrated & which was in prime > >condition. All testing was no Dolby, with music peaking +7VU or so, where > >it sounded best on all tapes used. > > > >At -20VU, Maxell XL-II & MX-S yielded, as always, flat response within about > >0.5dB, all the way up & down 20-20k, with the MX-S the usual 1dB+ above > >12kHz. The Metal Master tape, when ideally biased, yielded a rather odd > >response, with the 1.5k-8k region depressed almost 1dB, then 12k-15k up by a > >bit over 1dB, 18k-20k up 2dB, and on the low end, 40-250Hz up 1-1.5dB. On > >rec & pb of a CD, however, there was a slight loss of upper treble > >"sparkle", suggesting that the tape saturated earlier in the treble than > >MX-S, which had no loss of top end audible, nor any other easily perceivable > >difference in sound vs CD source. As expected from the tones test, the > >Metal Master sounded elevated in the midbass to low bass region. > >The Metal ES yielded very much the same results on tone testing as the > >Master, but with less rise in the treble. However, the ES had about the > >same loss of top end air as the Master, perhaps to a slightly greater > >degree, and exactly the same elevation in the bass/midbass region. The UX(I > >forget if it was UX-S), rather surprisingly, yielded nearly the same tone > >test & sound results as the ES, but with slightly more loss of top end air & > >a bit less elevation of midbass. XL-II sounded virtually identical to CD > >source. > >So, it seems to me that the highly regarded Sony Metal ES & Metal Master > >tapes are highly over rated, and the UX is not better. So my previous > >consideration of MX-S & XL-II as the best tapes to use in Naks & in general > >remains unchanged. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Apr 25 03:25:34 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:25:34 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak480 problem References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE04C@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <017801c1ebf8$19981aa0$293442cf@sank1> Sounds quite like the r/p head alignment has been mucked with. Yes, as you suspect, even minor service/cal cost($90 in my case) is a questionable investment when compared to average resale price of 480 decks purported to be working perfectly or even recently serviced. So, I would suggest that you get a couple of good pre-recorded tapes, which play well on your other decks, and adjust the white, nylon, tooth-edged head adjuster, for azimuth, the single one to the right of the 3-gear cluster, to maximise treble output when playing the tapes. If it seems like the channel balance is quite a bit off to one side, ignore the treble for a moment & turn the center adjuster, no more than one turn in either direction, to acheive best channel balance in the midrange/bass region, then adjust the azimuth adjuster for maximum treble. If you find that the treble or overall sound wanders in & out, or if the above does not cure the problem, the deck needs pro attention. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dundis, Andy" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak480 problem > hi all, > > Been trying to trouble-shoot recordings made on a recently purchased > nak480. Heads, rollers, capstans have been cleaned & demagnetized. The > playback of tapes recorded on the unit sound great on the 480, but not > good in car or other decks. Further, tapes recorded with other decks > dont perform well when played back on the 480. Are we looking at an > alignment problem, or something else? Allbeit, the 480 is an entry- > level nak, but some would say that it is still a better deck than other > brand's high end models. I could agree if all my cassette decks would > just get along with each other. > If the 480 sould need service, would the cost overshadow the deck's > value (would it be worth fixing)? Or would it be wiser to look for a > different deck? > > thanx, > andy > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu Apr 25 06:39:24 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:39:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 manuals etc. Message-ID: <55CFF3D4.6BD2B32E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Cary, My friend who also owns 700TT and reads Naktalk from time to time had similar problems with hum on this deck. There were some serious problems with internal grounding. I'll ask him to post his comments on the issue here. As for ground connection me personally do not use it. I suppose this terminal is placed there because it was considered necessary to ground Hi-Fi equipment that time. Maybe I'm mistaken. Anyway you can try and find out for yourself whether it helps or not. With best wishes, Nicholas. "Carlson, Cary" wrote: > Thanks to Pavel and Nicholas for your responses! let me know when you >have the manuals scanned. Another Question: This is the first deck I've >seen with a ground connection. How important is it? I'm used to seeing >one on turntables. Would it connect to the same ground on my receiver as >the phono?   I've noticed a low-freq hum from the line outputs, maybe >proper grounding would help this? >                          thanks again, Cary >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 25 06:17:42 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:47:42 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master Message-ID: <009501c1ec10$255f02a0$42d60192@vsnl> Thought I should add my experience here - I have tested Maxell XLII S about six months back and found that one tape ( out of 5 that I bought) had large drop out at one location. I do not know whether anybody else experienced such quality problems. Secondly Maxell XLII S seems inferior to XLII tapes due to variations in rec/ rep response. XLII S tapes have rising response around 15 KHz which may have to be addressed to realise decent frequency response charecteristics on record/ replay. I tried this tape on Dragon - calibrating the bias not to suppress this rising response. Result of this measure I could get very decent recording on this tape. The same tape went to Sam and he definitely found that tape to have excellent recording( showing lower noise floor and uniform response without sizzle on top end). I should admit that XLII S have excellent shell though. Calibrating decks can be used effectively to suppress such variations in recording response due to tape coating cherecteristics, however it is better to test them on non calibrating decks for evaluation for the sake of majority who may not have them or know how to use them effectively. TDK MA and SA tapes give excellent results on Nak machines than anything else. I felt TDK MAXG has slight edge ( positive) over TDK MA as I found MAX -G has lower noise floor and higher MOL than MA tapes Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master >Well, I would say Ron's comparison on a CR-7 would answer that question as >"no". I would rather do such testing on a non-auto-cal deck of high >calibre, since I will know for sure where a tape's frequency response >anomalies are vs accepted normality, which I would say is a very good >indication of quality. In fact, I may wait until I have Graham's or Tom >S.'s RX505 done to do the test with the MA-XG, this being what I consider >perhaps second only to the CR-5 as the best non-auto-cal Nak ever. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRED MOSS" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:00 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & >Metal Master > > >> >Interesting results, but might they not be different if a Nak with >superior >> bias and eq facilities were used? >> >> Fred Moss >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Apr 25 06:43:18 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (Kannan. S) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:13:18 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] A quick set of guidelines for buying used Naks Message-ID: <00aa01c1ec14$2ce21680$42d60192@vsnl> I could also add a few more - as I had experienced them in my attempts to purchase few Naks ( 8 of them!) 1. Check for corrosion of the mmechanism chassis underside- I had seen them if they had been in use near about sea coast for a long time. 2. Check for motor draw current on BX 300/ CR4/ CR7/ CR5 DD motors of ( Sankyo mechanisms)MR1- there is a 4.7 Ohm resistor in series with these motors' control board and 12V supply point. The voltage drop should be around 0.5 V without play engaged when playing should rise may be another 0.3- 0.4 V across them. 3. Check for gross play head misalignment - bit difficult without some recorded tape made from aligned decks. 4. Check for Dolby operation - on both record and replay. If there is a problem then it is due to Orange cap, not much to worry about unlike earlier ones Kannan -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] A quick set of guidelines for buying used Naks >Copying an email I wrote last night to someone buying a 680ZX, which is a >good set of guidelines for checking out any Nak deck- > >Things to look for are: >1)When you reach in & press down on each pinch roller, they should move >easily against firm spring pressure, and they should snap right back up. >Best to remove the door, close the frame, put it in play mode & then press >down on each roller, as there will be much more range of movement for >examination.(this one applies to real-Nak-transport Naks) >2)Check ability to record. The dreaded orange film capacitors fail first in >the erase/bias oscillator. >3)Check for tape skewing by playing the worst condition music tape you have. >Play first from near the beginning of a side & listen for the treble to >either fade out or take a moment to come up, then do the same near the end >of a side. Then do the same with your best condition music tape. >4)If you can find a prerecorded tape of a CD you have, or vice versa, or >have a tape of a cd recorded on a good working Dragon, play both tape & cd >at the same time to check for pitch accuracy & general pb sound quality. >5)Using a TDK D, SA or MA tape, or a Maxell XL-II, MX or MX-S tape, check >that it is possible to do the user calibrations(when present) with the >proper results, as specified in the user manual, without having to be near >the extremes of any of the calibration controls. >6)Leave the deck running for several hours, or overnight, then record & play >several songs, listening for any odd clicks, pops, distortions or other >anomalies. >7)Of course, check that the deck has no trouble rewinding & fast forwarding >through an entire C-90 or longer tape. >If the deck fails any of the above tests, it should be serviced. Otherwise, >you can have a fair amount of confidence that it won't be giving you any >trouble, at least for a while. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Apr 25 07:36:00 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:36:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Message-ID: Graham Nelson wrote: Any friend of Mr Blues is a friend of mine! ;o) Gra' Thanks for the warm greeting! Best, Michael E DeWire -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: 24 April 2002 11:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Greetings (& RX-505 Request) Greetings, I'm quite pleased with the results of my search on the support.naks.com ftp site for the RX-505 service manual. Downloaded that and also downloaded the LizardTech/Dejvu browser plugin software. Presto, easy to access technical details as a reference on my favorite Nak deck! Many thanks to Nicholas and Graham for their swift response to my request, greatly appreciated!!! That's the nice thing about the NakTalk community, very friendly and helpful. I'm glad I dropped back in for a visit. In case any of you keen Nakamichi internet browsers are interested, I've made some updates on my Nakamichi Cyberspot website. I found an article on the 1000 ZXL Limited that is quite intriguing, I will have that posted on the website by this weekend. Also, I've added a few classic brochure graphics and links. Have a peek, and enjoy some interesting viewing: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html I want to take an opportunity to introduce another Nakamichi deck owner, a personal friend of mine, who has just recently subscribed to NakTalk. His name is Michael DeWire, and he lives close to Chicago, Illinois USA. Michael and I are huge classic Marantz audio gear enthusiasts, and we have a common interest in analogue/digital music recording. Michael is an accomplished audio/visual recording engineer, and he certainly knows his technical stuff. Well, consider this a brief introduction for Michael, with minimal fanfare please . I hope that the NakTalk brotherhood will welcome him into the group scene. Best Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA Michael ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Apr 25 13:07:13 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 18:07:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp Message-ID: <000b01c1ec49$5afa37c0$b1299bca@smarzuki> Hi Nakfellas, Does anybody has specific comment regarding 'sound quality' or build of Nak 610 preamp ? I have this idea of using it as a 'switchbox' for tape decks. Any comment regarding the 610 vs '84 onkyo integra or old marantz preamp (3250 and such) is much appreciated. Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Apr 25 14:38:35 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:38:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master References: <009501c1ec10$255f02a0$42d60192@vsnl> Message-ID: <004201c1ec56$1ea05090$27756acf@johnnyrotten> Years ago Martin Colloms in Hi-Fi Choice magazine found that Maxell XLII was/is superior to XLII-S! I find it amazing, how over the years, the packaging for this tape has changed. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kannan. S" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & Metal Master > Thought I should add my experience here - > > I have tested Maxell XLII S about six months back and found that one tape > ( out of 5 that I bought) had large drop out at one location. I do not know > whether anybody else experienced such quality problems. Secondly Maxell > XLII S seems inferior to XLII tapes due to variations in rec/ rep response. > XLII S tapes have rising response around 15 KHz which may have to be > addressed to realise decent frequency response charecteristics on record/ > replay. I tried this tape on Dragon - calibrating the bias not to suppress > this rising response. Result of this measure I could get very decent > recording on this tape. The same tape went to Sam and he definitely found > that tape to have excellent recording( showing lower noise floor and uniform > response without sizzle on top end). > I should admit that XLII S have excellent shell though. > Calibrating decks can be used effectively to suppress such variations in > recording response due to tape coating cherecteristics, however it is better > to test them on non calibrating decks for evaluation for the sake of > majority who may not have them or know how to use them effectively. > TDK MA and SA tapes give excellent results on Nak machines than anything > else. I felt TDK MAXG has slight edge ( positive) over TDK MA as I found > MAX -G has lower noise floor and higher MOL than MA tapes > Kannan > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & > Metal Master > > > >Well, I would say Ron's comparison on a CR-7 would answer that question as > >"no". I would rather do such testing on a non-auto-cal deck of high > >calibre, since I will know for sure where a tape's frequency response > >anomalies are vs accepted normality, which I would say is a very good > >indication of quality. In fact, I may wait until I have Graham's or Tom > >S.'s RX505 done to do the test with the MA-XG, this being what I consider > >perhaps second only to the CR-5 as the best non-auto-cal Nak ever. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "FRED MOSS" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:00 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Interesting test on Maxells vs Sony UX, Metal ES & > >Metal Master > > > > > >> >Interesting results, but might they not be different if a Nak with > >superior > >> bias and eq facilities were used? > >> > >> Fred Moss > >> > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Apr 26 09:46:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 01:46:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp References: <000b01c1ec49$5afa37c0$b1299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <008b01c1ecf6$77467260$253442cf@sank1> I would certainly value a 610 far more that any solid state Marantz or any Onkyo preamp. But I would definitely do some capacitor upgrading if I was going to use one in my system. The only bad thing is the liberal use of the same edge connectors for the plug-in boards as are so troublesome in the 700TT & 600, so always count on doing a whole lot of contact tightening when acquiring a 610. It's a pretty good sounding preamp, and could be very good with some cap replacements, I'm sure. Perhaps even truly excellent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 5:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp > > Hi Nakfellas, > > Does anybody has specific comment regarding 'sound quality' or build of Nak > 610 preamp ? I have this idea of using it as a 'switchbox' for tape decks. > Any comment regarding the 610 vs '84 onkyo integra or old marantz preamp > (3250 and such) is much appreciated. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Apr 29 14:25:10 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:25:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] test Message-ID: <001501c1ef78$eb9355a0$af16fea9@wdrewes> What no mail for three days? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From service at nakamichi.us Mon Apr 29 07:58:48 2002 From: service at nakamichi.us (service at nakamichi.us) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 01:58:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 Message-ID: <001d01c1ef42$f175e540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 >From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! He did not contact you first. We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! Move on with your life and stay out of mine. Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS _____________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "brianbenkel" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > To member: bribenk > From member: stephensank > > -------------------- > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > -------------------- > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and > not through eBay. > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, solicitations > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not covered > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat Apr 27 14:33:15 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 14:33:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual References: <76F7E5C9.7112D67F.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001601c1ede7$b4322ce0$835c33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hi, yes i have scanned the whole manual but it is to big to send it to wouter's mailadress so we have a problem to get it on his site. greetings Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] DRAGON service manual > Hi, Walter, > > As far as I remember Dragon manual incompleteness was already mentioned here and somebody promised to add the missed pages. In fact the electric diagrams of Auto Azimuth pcb and indicator pcb were added in Djvu format. I do not remember if they were actually placed on Nak.com ftp facility but if you need them I can send them to you directly, they are very small files. > > T-100 owner manual is gladly welcome from your side. > > With best regards, > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon Apr 29 19:04:31 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:04:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Message-ID: <004801c1ef9f$eee024f0$4c011fac@brianm> Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon Apr 29 19:07:04 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:07:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 In-Reply-To: <001d01c1ef42$f175e540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: Good one stephen, I hate the ebay 're-sellers' who try to convince people they are getting a good deal and then cry foul when someone puts the bidders right. And as for his 'Guarantied to work ' he should learn to use a spellchecker before taking the lid off a nak! Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of service at nakamichi.us Sent: 29 April 2002 06:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 >From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! He did not contact you first. We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! Move on with your life and stay out of mine. Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS _____________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "brianbenkel" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > To member: bribenk > From member: stephensank > > -------------------- > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > -------------------- > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and > not through eBay. > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, solicitations > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not covered > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Apr 29 19:29:50 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:29:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited References: <004801c1ef9f$eee024f0$4c011fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002101c1efa3$7757e040$3db5b742@pii366custom> Tell him it's worth a LOT of PESOS! Probably about 30,000 if not more! Is he serious about the Beocord sounding better?? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Mon Apr 29 19:34:54 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:34:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <004801c1ef9f$eee024f0$4c011fac@brianm> Message-ID: B&O 9000 had a rated 10-25,000 Hz + / - 3dB, but I would not compare it to 1000ZXL Gold. I think this post is a tease to start a vivid discussion, maybe the re.audio.high-end newsgroup needed some spark. ... A guy who had seen and owned a few Naks in his lifetime, runs on B&O deck, participates in re.audio.high-end, and has no clue about 1000ZXL. I don't think so. Brian, do you know what other equipment he has? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, April 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Apr 29 19:40:47 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:40:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 References: <001d01c1ef42$f175e540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: <002a01c1efa4$fee1f220$3db5b742@pii366custom> In response to the e-mail from Mr. Galin, the following footnote from E-bay shows that Spam ("unsolicited commercial email") and "solicitations to buy or sell items outside" of eBay are prohibited. Mr. Sank's e-mail was neither of the above. I have not seen any indication that E-bay prohibits e-mail communication that may be helpful. -- Roland ********************************* Note E-bay's footnote: "This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and not through eBay. eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, solicitations to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not covered by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Mon Apr 29 19:44:15 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:44:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Message-ID: Look out! I think I'm going to be sick! Oops, too late, just tossed my cookies. What does he mean not quite as good as his Beocord 9000?!! The Limited must be in poor alignment. The hardest part to swallow, the remote was included. Are we sure this guy is not pulling our virtual leg(s)? He sure has one great woman looking after him. Imagine she loves good music too. Sounds like she didn't "fiddle" around on the purchase of this beauty. Hope this guy appreciates the treasure his wife bestowed on him. Now, back to reality. Just spent nearly 3 times that amount on a possibly salvageable standard 1000ZXL on eBay. Will wait to hear from Stephen if it can be resuscitated. Hope it can be Sank-tified! On second thought, maybe I could convince this guy the Limited is NOT as good as the Beocord 9000. Nah! Lying is not one of my traits. Kent >>> brianm at grar.com 04/29/02 12:04PM >>> Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Mon Apr 29 19:48:49 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:48:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited References: Message-ID: <00ee01c1efa6$1eadc9c0$4c011fac@brianm> Stan, That is all he lists, what you see in his message, maybe I shouls offer him $350? LOL Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited B&O 9000 had a rated 10-25,000 Hz + / - 3dB, but I would not compare it to 1000ZXL Gold. I think this post is a tease to start a vivid discussion, maybe the re.audio.high-end newsgroup needed some spark. ... A guy who had seen and owned a few Naks in his lifetime, runs on B&O deck, participates in re.audio.high-end, and has no clue about 1000ZXL. I don't think so. Brian, do you know what other equipment he has? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, April 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 29 19:49:34 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:49:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <004801c1ef9f$eee024f0$4c011fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001101c1efa6$395eac80$56a287d9@a4s1s2> ARGH!!!! Don't it make ya wanna SPIT ???!!! I mean $250 ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 29 April 2002 06:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Mon Apr 29 19:50:13 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 13:50:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited References: Message-ID: <00fe01c1efa6$50bc4590$4c011fac@brianm> ...in fact, I just sent him a message asking if he would take $350! I'll keep you posted. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited B&O 9000 had a rated 10-25,000 Hz + / - 3dB, but I would not compare it to 1000ZXL Gold. I think this post is a tease to start a vivid discussion, maybe the re.audio.high-end newsgroup needed some spark. ... A guy who had seen and owned a few Naks in his lifetime, runs on B&O deck, participates in re.audio.high-end, and has no clue about 1000ZXL. I don't think so. Brian, do you know what other equipment he has? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, April 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 29 19:54:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:54:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT Opera In-Reply-To: <20020429172902.16179.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001601c1efa6$e600b460$56a287d9@a4s1s2> Javiar Opera is nice but it's got bugs that don't allow it to work properly with e-Bay, esp. when trying to exclude words in Search. Opera people know about it and are trying to fix for the next release ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 29 April 2002 06:29 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] test This is only a test There is no emergency The fighters are ready to scramble I have installed this opera web browser I like it so far disregard __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 29 19:55:49 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:55:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <002101c1efa3$7757e040$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001701c1efa7$18b55b40$56a287d9@a4s1s2> He might be serious - the machine probably needs a good service .... even so, $250 ... I hate him!!! ;o) (Not really - he's one lucky guy but just doesn't know it yet!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 29 April 2002 06:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Tell him it's worth a LOT of PESOS! Probably about 30,000 if not more! Is he serious about the Beocord sounding better?? --Roland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 29 20:00:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:00:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c1efa7$bba64ee0$56a287d9@a4s1s2> Not necessarily, Stan. In some parts of the World - e.g. the UK - of the top end Nak's, anything other than a CR7E or a Dragon are as common as Rocking Horse pooh. Many UK Nak fans that I've come across thought the Dragon was the Flag Ship and most expensive Nak ever - they'd never heard of the 700ZXL or 1000ZXL, ZX7 or ZX9, etc.. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: 29 April 2002 06:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited B&O 9000 had a rated 10-25,000 Hz + / - 3dB, but I would not compare it to 1000ZXL Gold. I think this post is a tease to start a vivid discussion, maybe the re.audio.high-end newsgroup needed some spark. ... A guy who had seen and owned a few Naks in his lifetime, runs on B&O deck, participates in re.audio.high-end, and has no clue about 1000ZXL. I don't think so. Brian, do you know what other equipment he has? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, April 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Apr 29 20:02:56 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:02:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited In-Reply-To: <00fe01c1efa6$50bc4590$4c011fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002901c1efa8$1750ccc0$56a287d9@a4s1s2> Man, you are wicked!!! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 29 April 2002 06:50 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited ...in fact, I just sent him a message asking if he would take $350! I'll keep you posted. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited B&O 9000 had a rated 10-25,000 Hz + / - 3dB, but I would not compare it to 1000ZXL Gold. I think this post is a tease to start a vivid discussion, maybe the re.audio.high-end newsgroup needed some spark. ... A guy who had seen and owned a few Naks in his lifetime, runs on B&O deck, participates in re.audio.high-end, and has no clue about 1000ZXL. I don't think so. Brian, do you know what other equipment he has? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Mon, April 29, 2002 12:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited Check out this question below that was posted on the Newsgroup re.audio.high-end. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RR46HSE" Newsgroups: rec.audio.high-end Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:47 PM Subject: Nakamichi 1000 ZXL Limited I just got one of these cassette decks as a gift from my wife. It seems to be in mint condition and complete with a beautiful wooden case, gold faceplate and remote controls. Aside from looking impressive, its recording and playback quality is excellent if not quite up to my Beocord 9000 in high frequency extension. I've owned and seen a few Naks in my lifetime but nothing quite like this. I'd like to know if this thing is rare and what it is worth. She bought it from Monterey, Mexico for U.S. $250 on its looks alone. Thanks for your help. Range --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Apr 29 20:57:42 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 14:57:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 References: <001d01c1ef42$f175e540$1602a8c0@WorkGroup> Message-ID: <001b01c1efaf$be0d9140$7c756acf@johnnyrotten> Jeffrey, Why not address this directly to Stephen? It doesn't belong on Naktalk. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 1:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, > > RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? > > Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited > according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! > He did not contact you first. > > We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! > Move on with your life and stay out of mine. > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > _____________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brianbenkel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM > Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the > tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your > idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM > Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > > > > To member: bribenk > > From member: stephensank > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire > that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock > #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler > tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've > written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you > need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > -------------------- > > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member > and > > not through eBay. > > > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, > solicitations > > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not > covered > > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to > learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Apr 29 21:21:26 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT Opera In-Reply-To: <001601c1efa6$e600b460$56a287d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <20020429192126.32955.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info buddy. I do a lot of my best sniping on ebay! Javier --- Graham Nelson wrote: > Javiar > > Opera is nice but it's got bugs that don't allow it > to work properly with > e-Bay, esp. when trying to exclude words in Search. > Opera people know about > it and are trying to fix for the next release ... > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: 29 April 2002 06:29 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] test > > > This is only a test > There is no emergency > The fighters are ready to scramble > I have installed this opera web browser > I like it so far > disregard > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release > Date: 19/04/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release > Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Mon Apr 29 22:06:30 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 16:06:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Interesting test on Maxells.... Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020429160624.01f70bc0@mail.verizon.net> The Philips audio cassette was originally intended as a speech quality dictating machine medium. Companies like Advent, Teac and Nakamichi made it into a halfway decent music format. Then Sony's Walkman and automobile players made cassettes popular as a convenient, though mediocre form of music software. Notice how the words "convenient" and "mediocre" always seem to go together. The poor dynamic range, high harmonic distortion, and barely acceptable frequency response kept them from sounding as good as reel-to-reel tapes. (Actually, cassettes are reel-to-reel tapes, but inside a captive shell). Being cheaper and easier to use, they pretty much killed off pre-recorded reel tapes. I have a nice collection of R-R tapes, and there are some that sound fantastic - particularly the ones that were duped by Barclay-Crocker in real time with Dolby B. Put a CD on after one of those and you wanna puke. The main limitation of the Philips cassette format is the tiny amount of magnetic oxide which carries signal. Each stereo track is only .0235 in. wide, total .047 inches. One second of music at 1 7/8 IPS prints a total area of 0.088125 sq. inches. Compare the standard cassette to the current analog mastering standard; 30 IPS on half-inch tape; Each track is .2 inches, total .4; At 30 IPS music prints on a full 12 sq. inches of magnetic oxide, 136 times the density of cassette tape. With 30 IPS 1/2 inch you get a S/N ratio of nearly 100 dB at +9 VU with distortion anywhere in the audio bandwidth less than 1%, typically less than .5%. at that noise spec. No Dolby needed. To eke out an barely acceptable 60 db S/N ratio on a cassette means you have to use Dolby B (at least) and record at 0 level. At VU=0 distortion with chrome tape is about 5 to 10% in the mids and deep in double digits in the highest audible frequencies. This is why test tapes are recorded at -20 dB. You cannot get a clean 15 kHz recording at full modulation on cassette tape... Except for metal tape. Almost. Audio magazine, June 1993, did an extensive test of cassette tapes. Overall, they gave Maxell XLII 76% - tied with TDK SA. XLII-S got 75%. Fuji ZII was the highest rated type II tape with 85% although it had a higher modulation noise. Sony Metal Master rated 91%, Metal SR: 87%, TDK MA: 85%, MAX: 86%, MA-XG: 92%. The performance ratings took into account a combination of uniformity, freq, response, modulation noise, and saturation levels at the bass, mid and high frequency ranges. EVERY METAL FORMULATION except for Realistic Supertape MIV and Memorex CDX (both 77%) SCORED HIGHER THAN EVERY TYPE II TAPE with the sole exception of that Fuji tape I mentioned earlier. Maximum SOL (Saturation level) of Maxell XLII at 12.5kHz: -9.8 dB. Sony Metal Master (Metal ES wasn't tested): -3.7dB, Sony Metal SR, also 3.7 dB. A full 6dB greater headroom. Huge difference. This was typical. On average metal tapes yielded an average of 4 to 6 dB greater headroom at high frequencies than type II tapes. If a machine is correctly and carefully optimized for a particular tape, with all other factors being equal - and this includes consistency of the oxide and the construction of the case, the metal tape will be the superior performer every time. That's not an opinion. The tests were conducted, incidentally, on a Nakamichi 582. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Apr 30 02:13:56 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:13:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Auctioning my 581 on eBay Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF0777@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Not sure if it is proper to post here but I'm selling my 581 on eBay. I originally purchased it new back in 1980. The only problems I've had with it were having to replace the stop lamp and replace the belts. It is working perfectly. I finally decided to sell the 581 and put the CR-7A into my system. I also have a 582 so I needed to sell one of the Nak's. Kurtis http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348272390 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 02:17:06 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 00:17:06 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote Message-ID: Hello Naktalkers... I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working properly. - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the tape. - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST FORWARD - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND the tape - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck has 7 pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if the male jack should have 7 instead of 8. Thanks in advance Vinod _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 30 02:39:47 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:39:47 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 References: Message-ID: <018601c1efdf$8842a8e0$433442cf@sank1> Thanks for coming to my defense, guys. I felt totally ethical in sending those messages, and I'm glad to know it seems ok to other people. I just don't like to see Nak owners being taken advantage of, even if it's for a small amount of money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > Good one stephen, > I hate the ebay 're-sellers' who try to convince people they are getting a > good deal and then cry foul when someone puts the bidders right. And as for > his 'Guarantied to work ' he should learn to use a spellchecker before > taking the lid off a nak! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > service at nakamichi.us > Sent: 29 April 2002 06:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > > TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, > > RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > >From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? > > Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited > according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! > He did not contact you first. > > We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! > Move on with your life and stay out of mine. > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > _____________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brianbenkel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM > Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the > tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your > idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM > Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > > > > To member: bribenk > > From member: stephensank > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire > that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock > #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler > tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've > written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you > need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > -------------------- > > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member > and > > not through eBay. > > > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, > solicitations > > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not > covered > > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to > learn more. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Apr 30 02:40:59 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:40:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A6C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Vinod, If I can make an un-educated guess as to why the remote is playing up, my guess would be because the remote may have some "gunk" inside of it - possibly some foreign liquid spilled into it. This may have caused the buttons to malfunction or stick rather than making the proper contact on the remote controls pcb. Another reason is that one of the signals needed to make up the correct code for the unit to play/rewind/ff etc, is not connected i.e. one of the wires between remote and plug is dead/not connected. To answer your second question may be easier than the first because I found a similar thing when I connected my homemade remote on my BX300, it is a (correct me if I am wrong here guys) female 6 pin socket and the remote I had was a five pin male plug. It wasn't until I purchased the RM-580T/M unit that I realised what the sixth pin was used for - to supply the voltage for the receiver unit. Maybe it is a similar story for the Dragon. Hope this has helped you out Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Vinod Kumar [mailto:vvinodk at hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 10:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote Hello Naktalkers... I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working properly. - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the tape. - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST FORWARD - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND the tape - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck has 7 pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if the male jack should have 7 instead of 8. Thanks in advance Vinod _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 30 02:43:05 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:43:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote References: Message-ID: <019f01c1efdf$fe8bba00$433442cf@sank1> It sounds like someone re-wired it to run an old 700 or 1000, which had 7-pin DIN remotes. I'm quite sure the RM-20 needs all 8 pins. I think there is the right bit of Dragon schematic on the ftp site to show you the right pinout for the 8 pin plug. If not, give me a call during the afternoon on a weekday & I'll read off the pin assignments for you. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > Hello Naktalkers... > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working properly. > > - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the tape. > - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. > - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST FORWARD > - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND > the tape > - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. > > Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? > > Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck has 7 > pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if the male > jack should have 7 instead of 8. > > Thanks in advance > > Vinod > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 03:23:53 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:23:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote Message-ID: Hi Thomas, Thanks again... I did open the RM-20 remote and there was no sign of any spill. But I did remove the rubber casing of the male 7 pin jack and found that one wire was not connected. Sounds like one some tried to fix this remote to use it for a different nak. Vinod >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: "'naktalk at naks.com'" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:40:59 +1000 > >Hi Vinod, > > If I can make an un-educated guess as to why the remote is playing up, my >guess would be because the remote may have some "gunk" inside of it - >possibly some foreign liquid spilled into it. This may have caused the >buttons to malfunction or stick rather than making the proper contact on >the remote controls pcb. Another reason is that one of the signals needed >to make up the correct code for the unit to play/rewind/ff etc, is not >connected i.e. one of the wires between remote and plug is dead/not >connected. To answer your second question may be easier than the first >because I found a similar thing when I connected my homemade remote on my >BX300, it is a (correct me if I am wrong here guys) female 6 pin socket and >the remote I had was a five pin male plug. It wasn't until I purchased the >RM-580T/M unit that I realised what the sixth pin was used for - to supply >the voltage for the receiver unit. Maybe it is a similar story for the >Dragon. > > Hope this has helped you out > > Regards Tom. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Vinod Kumar [mailto:vvinodk at hotmail.com] >Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 10:17 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > >Hello Naktalkers... > >I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working properly. > >- The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the tape. >- The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. >- The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST FORWARD >- The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND > the tape >- The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. > >Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? > >Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck has 7 >pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if the >male >jack should have 7 instead of 8. > >Thanks in advance > >Vinod > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Tue Apr 30 03:34:47 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 01:34:47 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote Message-ID: Hello Stephen, Thank you so much. I did find the Dragon Mechanical Control schematic at the FTP site and got the page which shows the remote pin layout. I do have one question regarding the colors mentioned in the schematic. The following is the my understanding of the color codes mentioned in the remote PCB versus the color code mentioned in the Dragon schematic: Remote Dragon PCB Schematic Remarks ------ --------- ------- WHT BAN What is this BAN? Is this BLACK ? YEL YEL GRN GRN RED RED BLU BLU BLK GRY Is this the correct? ORN ORN VIO VIO Could you please let me know if the above assumption is ok or not? Thanks again Vinod >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:43:05 -0600 > >It sounds like someone re-wired it to run an old 700 or 1000, which had >7-pin DIN remotes. I'm quite sure the RM-20 needs all 8 pins. I think >there is the right bit of Dragon schematic on the ftp site to show you the >right pinout for the 8 pin plug. If not, give me a call during the >afternoon on a weekday & I'll read off the pin assignments for you. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vinod Kumar" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:17 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > > Hello Naktalkers... > > > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working properly. > > > > - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the tape. > > - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. > > - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST FORWARD > > - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND > > the tape > > - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. > > > > Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? > > > > Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck has 7 > > pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if the >male > > jack should have 7 instead of 8. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Vinod > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Apr 30 04:10:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:10:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote References: Message-ID: <01dd01c1efec$2aa8a420$433442cf@sank1> "BAN" is actually "BRN", for brown. As far as the correspondence between unit & remote on colors, I don't have an RM-20 or it's diagram to refer to. What's important is that the right pin goes to the right key line(i.e., pin 8 to "krev", or "reverse play key" line). The schematic unfortunately does not number the pins(and I'm not at the shop, where all the Dragons are), but you can easily orient yourself as to which end of the pin layout is which by measuring which pin has 0volts on it when powered, which is the ground line. All other pins should have 4-5volts on them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > Hello Stephen, > > Thank you so much. I did find the Dragon Mechanical Control schematic at the > FTP site and got the page which shows the remote pin layout. I do have one > question regarding the colors mentioned in the schematic. > > The following is the my understanding of the color codes mentioned in the > remote PCB versus the color code mentioned in the Dragon schematic: > > Remote Dragon > PCB Schematic Remarks > ------ --------- ------- > WHT BAN What is this BAN? Is this BLACK ? > YEL YEL > GRN GRN > RED RED > BLU BLU > BLK GRY Is this the correct? > ORN ORN > VIO VIO > > > Could you please let me know if the above assumption is ok or not? > > Thanks again > > Vinod > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:43:05 -0600 > > > >It sounds like someone re-wired it to run an old 700 or 1000, which had > >7-pin DIN remotes. I'm quite sure the RM-20 needs all 8 pins. I think > >there is the right bit of Dragon schematic on the ftp site to show you the > >right pinout for the 8 pin plug. If not, give me a call during the > >afternoon on a weekday & I'll read off the pin assignments for you. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Vinod Kumar" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:17 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > > > > > Hello Naktalkers... > > > > > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working properly. > > > > > > - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the tape. > > > - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. > > > - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST FORWARD > > > - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND > > > the tape > > > - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. > > > > > > Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? > > > > > > Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck has 7 > > > pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if the > >male > > > jack should have 7 instead of 8. > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Vinod > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Apr 30 04:12:17 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:12:17 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item= 1349074517 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A6E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Stephen, I think you have done nothing wrong, it's not as if you are stealing business off Mr Galin. It's courteous advice that saved the buyer some dollars. Well done Stephen! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2002 10:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 Thanks for coming to my defense, guys. I felt totally ethical in sending those messages, and I'm glad to know it seems ok to other people. I just don't like to see Nak owners being taken advantage of, even if it's for a small amount of money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > Good one stephen, > I hate the ebay 're-sellers' who try to convince people they are getting a > good deal and then cry foul when someone puts the bidders right. And as for > his 'Guarantied to work ' he should learn to use a spellchecker before > taking the lid off a nak! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > service at nakamichi.us > Sent: 29 April 2002 06:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > > TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, > > RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > >From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? > > Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited > according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! > He did not contact you first. > > We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! > Move on with your life and stay out of mine. > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > _____________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brianbenkel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM > Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the > tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your > idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM > Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > > > > To member: bribenk > > From member: stephensank > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire > that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock > #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler > tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've > written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you > need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > -------------------- > > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member > and > > not through eBay. > > > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, > solicitations > > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not > covered > > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to > learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Apr 30 14:57:06 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 07:57:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak480 problem Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBEE7@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> must have had some technical problems at Naktalk? Anyway, to continue regarding attepting head alignment.... Yes, I want to keep my investment to a minimum, so if this adjustment is something I (a tinkerer - not a tech) can do, I would certainly give it a try. I do, now, have some follow-up questions... 1. Can adjustment be done without the aid of service manual illustrations? Have never opened one of these up before, so, will I know what i'm looking at from your description? 2. Sounds like unit should be running while adjustments are being made??? 3. Any special tools/toys needed to perform this operation? Paid only $70 for my 480, so any loss would be minimal. But if I can fix it, itll be a bargain. Honored by your input on this small matter. Many thanx. muzikly, andy ----- Stephen wrote: Sounds quite like the r/p head alignment has been mucked with. Yes, as you suspect, even minor service/cal cost($90 in my case) is a questionable investment when compared to average resale price of 480 decks purported to be working perfectly or even recently serviced. So, I would suggest that you get a couple of good pre-recorded tapes, which play well on your other decks, and adjust the white, nylon, tooth-edged head adjuster, for azimuth, the single one to the right of the 3-gear cluster, to maximise treble output when playing the tapes. If it seems like the channel balance is quite a bit off to one side, ignore the treble for a moment & turn the center adjuster, no more than one turn in either direction, to acheive best channel balance in the midrange/bass region, then adjust the azimuth adjuster for maximum treble. If you find that the treble or overall sound wanders in & out, or if the above does not cure the problem, the deck needs pro attention. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 30 15:59:56 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 09:59:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon headphone amp References: Message-ID: <3CCEA35C.5859B544@concentric.net> Interesting post... Because one of the myths promulgated by Audio Purists is that even though negative feedback offers some real technical advantages (reduces distortion, reduces output impedance, increases input impedance) it somehow spoils the sound. OTOH, it *is* true that the cost of all those NFB benefits is gain reduction. There are also stability considerations, that *could* cause sound quality deterioration unless attended to. For these reasons, NFB cannot generally be added as an afterthought, but must be designed in on the outset. Unless you carefully calculated circuit parameters to arrive at the correct NFB value, you are simply extremely lucky. In any case, kudos for a successful tweak. Next to the music, this is what makes our hobby exciting. -- Ron > Marcus Rosén wrote: > > Dear naktalkers! > > Some time ago, I made the statement that my Dragon sounded > less good than my 700II. > This is no longer the case, and I´d like to share my > experience. > > The victim was is the headphone amp in the > Dragon! Comparing the line outputs, the Dragon is not at > all less good... > > The headphone amp can be easily improved. I added 0,47uF > across the 10pF feedback capacitor, allowing for AF > feedback, and the "harsh" sound disappeared! At least with > my 300 Ohms phones and the original opa... > > Best Regards, Marcus. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Tue Apr 30 16:29:15 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:29:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak480 problem References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBEE7@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3CCEAA3B.2BB172C4@concentric.net> "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > > must have had some technical problems at Naktalk? Anyway, > to continue regarding attepting head alignment.... > > Yes, I want to keep my investment to a minimum, so if this adjustment is > something I (a tinkerer - not a tech) can do, I would certainly give it a > try. I do, now, have some follow-up questions... > > 1. Can adjustment be done without the aid of service manual illustrations? > Have never opened one of these up before, so, will I know what i'm looking > at from your description? You can download the service manual from http://support.naks.com/support (username: naktalk password: limited). Lacking any experience, you should evaluate you technical savvy. You are the only one that can evaluate your capabilities. > 2. Sounds like unit should be running while adjustments are being made??? > 3. Any special tools/toys needed to perform this operation? To do a reasonable job, at the minimum, you need an alignment cassette. These are fairly expensive. You can probably improve matters (without achieving actual correct alignment) with a correctly prerecorded cassette. Or maybe a local friend has an aligned cassette deck and is willing (and able) to record a series of test tones for you? Good luck, -- Ron > Paid only $70 for my 480, so any loss would be minimal. But if I can fix > it, itll be a bargain. > Honored by your input on this small matter. Many thanx. > muzikly, > andy > > ----- > > Stephen wrote: > > Sounds quite like the r/p head alignment has been mucked with. Yes, as you > suspect, even minor service/cal cost($90 in my case) is a questionable > investment when compared to average resale price of 480 decks purported to > be working perfectly or even recently serviced. So, I would suggest that > you get a couple of good pre-recorded tapes, which play well on your other > decks, and adjust the white, nylon, tooth-edged head adjuster, for azimuth, > the single one to the right of the 3-gear cluster, to maximise treble output > when playing the tapes. If it seems like the channel balance is quite a bit > off to one side, ignore the treble for a moment & turn the center adjuster, > no more than one turn in either direction, to acheive best channel balance > in the midrange/bass region, then adjust the azimuth adjuster for maximum > treble. If you find that the treble or overall sound wanders in & out, or > if the above does not cure the problem, the deck needs pro attention. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Tue Apr 30 16:50:31 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 10:50:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 581 for sale Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF077A@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> If anyone is interested I have a Nak 581 for sale. I originally purchased this from Kief's in Lawrence Kansas in late 1979, I originally had the 581 from the first production run that had the transport fault (it would wrinkle tapes) Kief's replaced with this one in 1980. The 581 has bias and rec level adjustments accessable on the front to fine tune the recording manually for the specific tape you are recording with. I'm selling as I am moving pieces around in my setup and I am switching to my CR-7a in the cabinet. This comes with the manual, polishing cloth and accessory box (I have used a few item from the accessory box so contents are not complete. Email me if you have any questions. Kurtis kbahr at erols.com (home) kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (work) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Apr 30 19:57:21 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:57:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 References: <018601c1efdf$8842a8e0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CCEDB01.000007.02460@CopyTech> Just a neutral advice: avoid this kind of confrontation in this list. It's not good for anybody ... Doesn't worth it ... OK, now, GRA', speaking of that deck for $250.00, don't be that worry about it. I bought a "never used" 1000 ZXL a while ago. She looks new, smell like new, with all boxes, foam, plastics, manual's , switchable 120/220 volts etc ... The owner passed away and his estate was sold. A pair of beutiful Mahogany Klipshhorns were gone for $1,000 ! My machine never played a full C-90 or at least that's what the lady said. When I received the deck, I believed her inmmediately but ... A beauty ... Oh sure, after a trip to New Mexico and a year later, she still doesn't record, the meter desn't work and etc ... I still owe Stephen money for the new and almost impossible to find eprom and the machine is not working. Well, she playback beautiful, at least. Lesson: be careful with all those old models. Parts are scarce and besides Stephen or Jeff, nobody wants to deal with Nakamichi decks anymore because of parts availibility problems. Same happened with the 700 ZXL ... So, one last chance for both to go to Stephen's. If they don't work after that trip, good bye Nakamichis' at a bargain price ... I already have put over 2 grands in both with no results. Ohhh, by the way, let me clear out that Stephen did a beutiful job but after the deck was here for 2 weeks, she broke anothert thing and the story goes on. Old decks are like old cars: you never know when they gonna leave you at the road during a rainy night ... ha, ha,ha, ! Carlos aka The TAPE MAN Sorry for the spelling. I'm tired ... -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, April 29, 2002 12:36:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 Thanks for coming to my defense, guys. I felt totally ethical in sending those messages, and I'm glad to know it seems ok to other people. I just don't like to see Nak owners being taken advantage of, even if it's for a small amount of money. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 11:07 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > Good one stephen, > I hate the ebay 're-sellers' who try to convince people they are getting a > good deal and then cry foul when someone puts the bidders right. And as for > his 'Guarantied to work ' he should learn to use a spellchecker before > taking the lid off a nak! > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > service at nakamichi.us > Sent: 29 April 2002 06:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > > TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, > > RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > >From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? > > Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited > according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! > He did not contact you first. > > We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! > Move on with your life and stay out of mine. > > Sincerely, > Jeffrey Galin > > "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts > ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS > 1807 Berlin Turnpike > Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA > VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 > Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST > service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us > > PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS > _____________________________________________ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brianbenkel" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM > Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the > tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your > idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM > Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > > > > > To member: bribenk > > From member: stephensank > > > > -------------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire > that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock > #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler > tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've > written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to > http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you > need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > -------------------- > > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member > and > > not through eBay. > > > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, > solicitations > > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not > covered > > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to > learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From harshad at ameritech.net Tue Apr 30 19:49:13 2002 From: harshad at ameritech.net (Harshad Khatri) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:49:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Way to go Stephen ...... Message-ID: Stephen, I'm behind you on this one. Looks like the "other" guy is working hard to add to his bottom line -- selling $0.50 at a 10x markup. Sounds like a desperate move, and in the true Naktalk spirit needs to be exposed! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Apr 30 20:57:32 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 01:57:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) References: <000b01c1ec49$5afa37c0$b1299bca@smarzuki> <008b01c1ecf6$77467260$253442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006401c1f078$e2b8fb00$82299bca@smarzuki> Thanks for your always helpful info, Stephen, hope i can find one in good condition around here. But the real sexy one is the 630: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348224093 ... i'm surprised you're not on the bidders list =) BTW, can you tell me how to align the dragon's takeup guide height using DA9051B ? There are mounting holes to 'move' the right hand slider so that it'll measure takeup guide side ... is it okay to do that ....i.e. will the gauge still be accurate when i move right slider back to original position ? Service manual described wrong picture of takeup guide ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp I would certainly value a 610 far more that any solid state Marantz or any Onkyo preamp. But I would definitely do some capacitor upgrading if I was going to use one in my system. The only bad thing is the liberal use of the same edge connectors for the plug-in boards as are so troublesome in the 700TT & 600, so always count on doing a whole lot of contact tightening when acquiring a 610. It's a pretty good sounding preamp, and could be very good with some cap replacements, I'm sure. Perhaps even truly excellent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sarin at mit.edu Tue Apr 30 21:28:20 2002 From: sarin at mit.edu (Pradeep Sarin) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Seeking Information on Cassette Deck 2 Message-ID: hi i would like to know if the Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 features auto-reverse ? i.e. the ability to play both sides of a tape continuously? also, any general opinions on this unit would be much appreciated. thanks for the information - pradeep ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Apr 30 21:40:04 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:40:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) Message-ID: Salim, The 610 has much more flexibility than the 630. The 610 will allow you to record on 3 decks from the same source, or copy two tapes from the third tape input. Stephen help me here, but I think you can copy one tape from another tape, while taping on the third tape input from any of the other (tuner, phono, aux) inputs. Plus the calibration frequencies that are built into the unit. If you are only going to get one or the other of the 610 or 630, I'd opt for the 610. Just my $0.02 worth, but you don't get your nickel change. Kent >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 04/30/02 01:57PM >>> Thanks for your always helpful info, Stephen, hope i can find one in good condition around here. But the real sexy one is the 630: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348224093 ... i'm surprised you're not on the bidders list =) BTW, can you tell me how to align the dragon's takeup guide height using DA9051B ? There are mounting holes to 'move' the right hand slider so that it'll measure takeup guide side ... is it okay to do that ....i.e. will the gauge still be accurate when i move right slider back to original position ? Service manual described wrong picture of takeup guide ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp I would certainly value a 610 far more that any solid state Marantz or any Onkyo preamp. But I would definitely do some capacitor upgrading if I was going to use one in my system. The only bad thing is the liberal use of the same edge connectors for the plug-in boards as are so troublesome in the 700TT & 600, so always count on doing a whole lot of contact tightening when acquiring a 610. It's a pretty good sounding preamp, and could be very good with some cap replacements, I'm sure. Perhaps even truly excellent. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Apr 30 22:26:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:26:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 In-Reply-To: <3CCEDB01.000007.02460@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001501c1f085$41e926c0$859d87d9@a4s1s2> Carlos Sounds like excellent advice, mate! Now go and have a sleep! (If you wake up to find a lump under the covers with you, snoring his head off, don't worry - that'll be me. I'm harmless!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 30 April 2002 06:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 Just a neutral advice: avoid this kind of confrontation in this list. It's not good for anybody ... Doesn't worth it ... OK, now, GRA', speaking of that deck for $250.00, don't be that worry about it. I bought a "never used" 1000 ZXL a while ago. She looks new, smell like new, with all boxes, foam, plastics, manual's , switchable 120/220 volts etc ... The owner passed away and his estate was sold. A pair of beutiful Mahogany Klipshhorns were gone for $1,000 ! My machine never played a full C-90 or at least that's what the lady said. When I received the deck, I believed her inmmediately but ... A beauty ... Oh sure, after a trip to New Mexico and a year later, she still doesn't record, the meter desn't work and etc ... I still owe Stephen money for the new and almost impossible to find eprom and the machine is not working. Well, she playback beautiful, at least. Lesson: be careful with all those old models. Parts are scarce and besides Stephen or Jeff, nobody wants to deal with Nakamichi decks anymore because of parts availibility problems. Same happened with the 700 ZXL ... So, one last chance for both to go to Stephen's. If they don't work after that trip, good bye Nakamichis' at a bargain price ... I already have put over 2 grands in both with no results. Ohhh, by the way, let me clear out that Stephen did a beutiful job but after the deck was here for 2 weeks, she broke anothert thing and the story goes on. Old decks are like old cars: you never know when they gonna leave you at the road during a rainy night ... ha, ha,ha, ! Carlos aka The TAPE MAN Sorry for the spelling. I'm tired ... > > . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do seem to recall that it has a feature whereby it will play thru one side, rewind it and play again and rewind etc. Not quite auto-reverse but almost achieves the same (e.g., almost continuous playback). George --- Premature optimization is the root of all evil. > -----Original Message----- > From: Pradeep Sarin [mailto:sarin at mit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Seeking Information on Cassette Deck 2 > > > > hi > > i would like to know if the Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 features > auto-reverse ? i.e. the ability to play both sides of a tape > continuously? > also, any general opinions on this unit would be much appreciated. > > thanks for the information - > > pradeep > > > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------ > ------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 1 01:05:02 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:05:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Seeking Information on Cassette Deck 2 In-Reply-To: <37EB5B5CACC2BD4B971832C247765D73145982@pine.orbitaltech.com> Message-ID: <002301c1f09b$756a9180$859d87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Pradeep Perhaps you may have confused the Cassette Deck 2 with the RX202, which is unidirectional along with it's bigger siblings the RX303 and RX505 and, of course, the auto reverse Dragon. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Chow @ Simba Sent: 30 April 2002 11:29 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Seeking Information on Cassette Deck 2 Hi, The CassetteDeck series of Nakamichi decks don't have auto-reverse. The 2 is a two-head deck while the 1 and 1.5 are three-heads. I used to own a 1.5 and enjoyed it immensely whenever I used it to dub down a CD to metal tapes. I sold my 1.5 only because it saw so little use that I thought it would be better for it in the hands of someone else. I do seem to recall that it has a feature whereby it will play thru one side, rewind it and play again and rewind etc. Not quite auto-reverse but almost achieves the same (e.g., almost continuous playback). George --- Premature optimization is the root of all evil. > -----Original Message----- > From: Pradeep Sarin [mailto:sarin at mit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:28 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Seeking Information on Cassette Deck 2 > > > > hi > > i would like to know if the Nakamichi Cassette Deck 2 features > auto-reverse ? i.e. the ability to play both sides of a tape > continuously? > also, any general opinions on this unit would be much appreciated. > > thanks for the information - > > pradeep > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed May 1 01:40:50 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:40:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2201 Message-ID: Carlos! I had a hunch you were still around, lurking amongst the more quiet Nakaholics!!! I must say that your most recent email takes high honors for being the longest NakTalk message ever posted, and I see we're at over 2000 NakTalk Digests. Best regards, I hope to be in-touch with you one-on-one soon to discuss the particulars of your Nak collection. Don't I owe you a favorites cassette, was it potpourri of jazz or electric blues? K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:58:21 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, April 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2201 > >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:57:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) >From: "El Magnifico" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > >Just a neutral advice: avoid this kind of confrontation in this list. It's not good for anybody ... Doesn't worth it..... < kj bleus suggestion by example - good email group etiquette, remove all unecessary verbage from previous emails. 335 lines removed here > > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2201 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 1 08:48:44 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:48:44 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) Message-ID: Hi Kent, you're correct, that "tape 3" button is my reason to find one, not to mention the 3 test tones and 'mister deejay' capability. Still, 630's rotary FM dial is so cool ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2002 2:40 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) > Salim, > > The 610 has much more flexibility than the 630. The 610 will > allow you to record on 3 decks from the same source, or copy two > tapes from the third tape input. Stephen help me here, but I > think you can copy one tape from another tape, while taping on the > third tape input from any of the other (tuner, phono, aux) inputs. > Plus the calibration frequencies that are built into the unit. > If you are only going to get one or the other of the 610 or 630, > I'd opt for the 610. Just my $0.02 worth, but you don't get your > nickel change. > > Kent > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 04/30/02 01:57PM >>> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 1 18:19:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:19:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2201 References: Message-ID: <3CD0159C.000001.02112@CopyTech> You owe me a tape of a concert someplace by somebody I can't remember, ha, ha,ha ... You don't owe me anything my friend ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:30:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2201 Carlos! I had a hunch you were still around, lurking amongst the more quiet Nakaholics!!! I must say that your most recent email takes high honors for being the longest NakTalk message ever posted, and I see we're at over 2000 NakTalk Digests. Best regards, I hope to be in-touch with you one-on-one soon to discuss the particulars of your Nak collection. Don't I owe you a favorites cassette, was it potpourri of jazz or electric blues? K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:58:21 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, April 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2201 > >Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:57:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) >From: "El Magnifico" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 > > >Just a neutral advice: avoid this kind of confrontation in this list. It's not good for anybody ... Doesn't worth it..... < kj bleus suggestion by example - good email group etiquette, remove all unecessary verbage from previous emails. 335 lines removed here > > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2201 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Hello Fellows: Just a word of caution: if you ever come across a guy code named Artani at e.bay, stay away from him ! I 've just been fried with a so called "excellent condition deck + papers" Revox B-710 MK II. The deck can not play a tape, hardly wind anything and no papers arrived. Also, I have noticed that when ever you need to solve a fraud like this trough e.bay is of no use ! I later knew that these Artani has fried other people as well. Carlos The Tape Man ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I 've just been fried with a so called "excellent condition deck + papers" Revox B-710 MK II. The deck can not play a tape, hardly wind anything and no papers arrived. Also, I have noticed that when ever you need to solve a fraud like this trough e.bay is of no use ! I later knew that these Artani has fried other people as well. Carlos The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed May 1 19:25:51 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:25:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Message-ID: Salim, Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, before it is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main-lined" with making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos seems to be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto-phobia, but is struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" Limited deck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, so it does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's enjoy the music! Kent >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> Hello Carlos, Sorry to hear about your ebay Revox and thanks for the warning .... I thought you're already 'over' with cassette decks =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Hello Fellows: Just a word of caution: if you ever come across a guy code named Artani at e.bay, stay away from him ! I 've just been fried with a so called "excellent condition deck + papers" Revox B-710 MK II. The deck can not play a tape, hardly wind anything and no papers arrived. Also, I have noticed that when ever you need to solve a fraud like this trough e.bay is of no use ! I later knew that these Artani has fried other people as well. Carlos The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu May 2 00:16:19 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:16:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2203 (610 Preamp) Message-ID: I'd like to request additional info on the highly touted Nak 610 preamp. Definately curious to compare functionality and spec performance to my (someone mentioned mediocre) Marantz preamp. I have two 3800 preamps that have been with me for years. I'd like to get with it, and consider going with Nak preamp and amp components, if there is a significant and superior net result in performance and user satisfaction. Any comments can be made directly to me. Thanks..... K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Wed, 1 May 2002 18:21:31 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, May 1 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2203 > > >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:48:44 +0700 >From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) > >Hi Kent, you're correct, that "tape 3" button is my reason to find one, >not to mention the 3 test tones and 'mister deejay' capability. Still, >630's rotary FM dial is so cool ! > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Kent Merideth >Date: Wednesday, May 1, 2002 2:40 am >Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) > >> Salim, >> >> The 610 has much more flexibility than the 630. The 610 will >> allow you to record on 3 decks from the same source, or copy two >> tapes from the third tape input. Stephen help me here, but I >> think you can copy one tape from another tape, while taping on the >> third tape input from any of the other (tuner, phono, aux) inputs. >> Plus the calibration frequencies that are built into the unit. >> If you are only going to get one or the other of the 610 or 630, >> I'd opt for the 610. Just my $0.02 worth, but you don't get your >> nickel change. >> >> Kent >> >> >> >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 04/30/02 01:57PM >>> >> > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2203 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 2 04:45:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 20:45:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) References: <000b01c1ec49$5afa37c0$b1299bca@smarzuki> <008b01c1ecf6$77467260$253442cf@sank1> <006401c1f078$e2b8fb00$82299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001701c1f183$6d617d80$1b3442cf@sank1> Yes, Salim, moving the piece should not alter it's accuracy, unless the whole plate is bent! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) > > Thanks for your always helpful info, Stephen, hope i can find one in good > condition around here. But the real sexy one is the 630: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348224093 ... i'm > surprised you're not on the bidders list =) > > BTW, can you tell me how to align the dragon's takeup guide height using > DA9051B ? There are mounting holes to 'move' the right hand slider so that > it'll measure takeup guide side ... is it okay to do that ....i.e. will the > gauge still be accurate when i move right slider back to original position ? > Service manual described wrong picture of takeup guide ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 2:46 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp > > > I would certainly value a 610 far more that any solid state Marantz or any > Onkyo preamp. But I would definitely do some capacitor upgrading if I was > going to use one in my system. The only bad thing is the liberal use of the > same edge connectors for the plug-in boards as are so troublesome in the > 700TT & 600, so always count on doing a whole lot of contact tightening when > acquiring a 610. It's a pretty good sounding preamp, and could be very good > with some cap replacements, I'm sure. Perhaps even truly excellent. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Thu May 2 05:39:14 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 03:39:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote Message-ID: Hi Stephen, I got the RM-20 remote working. I bought an 8 pin DIN plug and did the wiring as per the remote socket color code mentioned in the Dragon schematic diagram. The result was, for some reason, none of the keys worked. Then what I did was I soldered 8 wires to the 8 pin DIN plug and basically tried different combination and finally got all the keys on the remote working. I have created a word document containing a diagram of the 8 pin DIN plug specifying the pin number and the color of wire which should be soldered to it. Also a small table containing color wire combinations which will get all the keys in RM-20 remote do to its intended function. We could post that on the NAK Support website for fellow naktalkers for future use. Thanks again for the help. Regards Vinod >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:10:13 -0600 > >"BAN" is actually "BRN", for brown. As far as the correspondence between >unit & remote on colors, I don't have an RM-20 or it's diagram to refer to. >What's important is that the right pin goes to the right key line(i.e., pin >8 to "krev", or "reverse play key" line). The schematic unfortunately does >not number the pins(and I'm not at the shop, where all the Dragons are), >but >you can easily orient yourself as to which end of the pin layout is which >by >measuring which pin has 0volts on it when powered, which is the ground >line. >All other pins should have 4-5volts on them. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vinod Kumar" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:34 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > > Hello Stephen, > > > > Thank you so much. I did find the Dragon Mechanical Control schematic at >the > > FTP site and got the page which shows the remote pin layout. I do have >one > > question regarding the colors mentioned in the schematic. > > > > The following is the my understanding of the color codes mentioned in >the > > remote PCB versus the color code mentioned in the Dragon schematic: > > > > Remote Dragon > > PCB Schematic Remarks > > ------ --------- ------- > > WHT BAN What is this BAN? Is this BLACK ? > > YEL YEL > > GRN GRN > > RED RED > > BLU BLU > > BLK GRY Is this the correct? > > ORN ORN > > VIO VIO > > > > > > Could you please let me know if the above assumption is ok or not? > > > > Thanks again > > > > Vinod > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:43:05 -0600 > > > > > >It sounds like someone re-wired it to run an old 700 or 1000, which had > > >7-pin DIN remotes. I'm quite sure the RM-20 needs all 8 pins. I think > > >there is the right bit of Dragon schematic on the ftp site to show you >the > > >right pinout for the 8 pin plug. If not, give me a call during the > > >afternoon on a weekday & I'll read off the pin assignments for you. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Vinod Kumar" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:17 PM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > > > > > > > > Hello Naktalkers... > > > > > > > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working >properly. > > > > > > > > - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the >tape. > > > > - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. > > > > - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST >FORWARD > > > > - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND > > > > the tape > > > > - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. > > > > > > > > Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? > > > > > > > > Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck >has >7 > > > > pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if >the > > >male > > > > jack should have 7 instead of 8. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Vinod > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: >http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 2 06:34:19 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:34:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Message-ID: <125e5bbef.bbef125e5@indosat.net.id> Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > Salim, > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > lined" with > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > phobia, but is > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > so it > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > enjoythe music! > > Kent > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 2 06:47:34 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:47:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon guide height (and peak hold default) Message-ID: Thanks Stephen, in the meantime I only adjusted supply side and already the NAAC doesn't seem to be working much =) Now i really agree that this tool is a 10 ... can't believe so many guides were out of alignment ! Another question to gurus: is it possible to (easily) change the default state of 'peak hold' feature on CR7 ? i'd prefer to have it default to 'off' everytime i switch the deck on. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 9:45 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) > Yes, Salim, moving the piece should not alter it's accuracy, > unless the > whole plate is bent! > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph Thu May 2 08:26:33 2002 From: mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph (Mariano L. Honrado Jr.) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:26:33 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! References: <125e5bbef.bbef125e5@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <000d01c1f1a2$4dbc3320$8ffd10ac@mariano> Gentlemen, The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of -phobia (the fear of)! We are all doomed. There is no known cure. Keep on Nakking, Mariano Honrado ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 2 09:33:15 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:33:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! Message-ID: You're right Mariano, we're done for!! There's no going back. I like the affliction. This is our support group. But we must make up a list of clinical symptoms!! I would start with sweaty palms in the case of newly acquired decks, and machines bought off e-bay must surely bring on a dry mouth and light-headedness; existing machines in your collection bring on occasional panic attacks when your mind wanders to the subject of future spares availability. When you make a fresh recording, nothing can remove that silly grin from your face, accompanied by the feeling that your ears have just been syringed. Great addiction. Marc >>> mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph 05/02/02 08:26AM >>> Gentlemen, The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of -phobia (the fear of)! We are all doomed. There is no known cure. Keep on Nakking, Mariano Honrado ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu May 2 10:27:47 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:27:47 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700II heads-name Message-ID: <3381.1020328067@www19.gmx.net> hi naktalkers in near future I`ll get a good old 700II machine. the seller explained that the machine has'nt the original record head (because it's so hard to find an original replaycement head). what's the model name of the originalheads(playback,record and erasure-head) the only thing I know about it is, there must be others then in the tritracers. much thanks, grüße Thomas. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu May 2 14:16:31 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:16:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani References: <125e5bbef.bbef125e5@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <006001c1f1d3$31ee5160$66756acf@johnnyrotten> I'm looking for EA treatment, eBay Anonymous ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 2 15:35:58 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 09:35:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon guide height (and peak hold default) References: Message-ID: <3CD140BE.E0EEE1E9@concentric.net> Salim, To make the CR-7 come up in peak (not peak hold) mode, try the following experiment: 1. On the logic board, locate R704 and R705 (both 470K). 2. Lift the side of R704 that goes to the junction of D655, R710 and C631. 3. Lift the side of R705 that goes to +15V. 4. Connect the lifted side of R704 to the point you lifted R705 from (+15V). 5. Connect the lifted side of R705 to the point you lifted from R704 (junction of D655, R710 and C631). In total, this involves lifting two resistor leads and adding two short jumpers. Make sure you do this in a reversible way... Regards, -- Ron smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > Thanks Stephen, in the meantime I only adjusted supply side and already > the NAAC doesn't seem to be working much =) Now i really agree that > this tool is a 10 ... can't believe so many guides were out of > alignment ! > > Another question to gurus: is it possible to (easily) change the > default state of 'peak hold' feature on CR7 ? i'd prefer to have it > default to 'off' everytime i switch the deck on. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 9:45 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] nak 610 preamp (and dragon guide height) > > > Yes, Salim, moving the piece should not alter it's accuracy, > > unless the > > whole plate is bent! > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu May 2 15:41:09 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 08:41:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! Message-ID: Mariano, Thank you, I stand corrected on the name of our affliction. Sorry to say, I agree with you, there is no known (to us) cure for it! Enjoy the music! Kent >>> mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph 05/02/02 01:26AM >>> Gentlemen, The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of -phobia (the fear of)! We are all doomed. There is no known cure. Keep on Nakking, Mariano Honrado ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nealw at decillion.net Thu May 2 16:37:22 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:37:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dragon turntable Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C170@CPT-01> i might have the chance of getting a dragon turntable. does anyone know how they operated, in what league were they. i'm interested in what price i should offer -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] Sent: 02 May 2002 15:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! Mariano, Thank you, I stand corrected on the name of our affliction. Sorry to say, I agree with you, there is no known (to us) cure for it! Enjoy the music! Kent >>> mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph 05/02/02 01:26AM >>> Gentlemen, The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of -phobia (the fear of)! We are all doomed. There is no known cure. Keep on Nakking, Mariano Honrado ----- Original Message ----- From: < smarzuki at indosat.net.id> To: < naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth < khmerideth at anderson.edu> > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 2 17:07:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:07:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] dragon turntable References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C170@CPT-01> Message-ID: <00aa01c1f1eb$19a2e900$1b3442cf@sank1> The Dragon CT is the one turntable that I truly lust for. It is a totally amazing piece, and was a bargain at it's retail price of $1740, even in the early 1980's. One went recently for $3500 on Audiogon, in mint condition, of course. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] dragon turntable > i might have the chance of getting a dragon turntable. does anyone know how > they operated, in what league were they. i'm interested in what price i > should offer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] > Sent: 02 May 2002 15:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! > > > Mariano, > > Thank you, I stand corrected on the name of our affliction. Sorry to say, I > agree with you, there is no known (to us) cure for it! > > Enjoy the music! > > Kent > > > >>> mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph 05/02/02 01:26AM >>> > > Gentlemen, > > The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile > (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of > -phobia (the fear of)! > > We are all doomed. There is no known cure. > > Keep on Nakking, > > Mariano Honrado > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: < smarzuki at indosat.net.id> > To: < naktalk at naks.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > > > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Merideth < > khmerideth at anderson.edu> > > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > > lined" with > > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > > phobia, but is > > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > > so it > > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > > enjoythe music! > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 > 11:37AM >>> > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and > other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by > it. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 2 17:10:10 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 09:10:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700II heads-name References: <3381.1020328067@www19.gmx.net> Message-ID: <00b201c1f1eb$7440d8e0$1b3442cf@sank1> I would advise you to wait for another 700 deck to come by. The record head replacement worries me, especially in regard to what was done to adapt the mounting hardware for a non-Nak head, and getting an original head could easily exceed the price of another whole deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:27 AM Subject: [naktalk] nakamichi 700II heads-name > hi naktalkers > in near future I`ll get a good old 700II machine. the seller explained that > the machine has'nt the original record head (because it's so hard to find an > original replaycement head). what's the model name of the > originalheads(playback,record and erasure-head) the only thing I know about it is, there must > be others then in the tritracers. much thanks, gr��e Thomas. > > > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu May 2 17:15:08 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:15:08 GMT Subject: [naktalk] dragon turntable Message-ID: <20020502.111546.22340.6264@wm9.nyc.untd.com> Neal, I just posted a response to your question on the Vinyl Asylum page. In a nutshell, grab the Dragon if there's any way you can afford it. However, I'm very interested in the BL-77 if you don't buy it, so please get in touch! - Joe ---------- Neal Walker writes: i might have the chance of getting a dragon turntable. does anyone know how they operated, in what league were they. i'm interested in what price i should offer -----Original Message----- From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] Sent: 02 May 2002 15:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! Mariano, Thank you, I stand corrected on the name of our affliction. Sorry to say, I agree with you, there is no known (to us) cure for it! Enjoy the music! Kent >>> mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph 05/02/02 01:26AM >>> Gentlemen, The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of -phobia (the fear of)! We are all doomed. There is no known cure. Keep on Nakking, Mariano Honrado ----- Original Message ----- From: < smarzuki at indosat.net.id> To: < naktalk at naks.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth < khmerideth at anderson.edu> > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu May 2 17:17:54 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:17:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dragon turntable Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C171@CPT-01> problem is that the guy who owns it is testing it and may send me his micro seiki bl77 with dynavector 505 arm and keep the dragon. i am hoping that he will keep that and then i will pick up the dragon. hold thumbs for me. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: 02 May 2002 17:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon turntable The Dragon CT is the one turntable that I truly lust for. It is a totally amazing piece, and was a bargain at it's retail price of $1740, even in the early 1980's. One went recently for $3500 on Audiogon, in mint condition, of course. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: [naktalk] dragon turntable > i might have the chance of getting a dragon turntable. does anyone know how > they operated, in what league were they. i'm interested in what price i > should offer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Merideth [mailto:khmerideth at anderson.edu] > Sent: 02 May 2002 15:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! > > > Mariano, > > Thank you, I stand corrected on the name of our affliction. Sorry to say, I > agree with you, there is no known (to us) cure for it! > > Enjoy the music! > > Kent > > > >>> mlhonrado at 1stebank.com.ph 05/02/02 01:26AM >>> > > Gentlemen, > > The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile > (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of > -phobia (the fear of)! > > We are all doomed. There is no known cure. > > Keep on Nakking, > > Mariano Honrado > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: < smarzuki at indosat.net.id> > To: < naktalk at naks.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > > > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kent Merideth < > khmerideth at anderson.edu> > > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > > > Salim, > > > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > > lined" with > > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > > phobia, but is > > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > > so it > > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > > enjoythe music! > > > > > > Kent > > > > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 > 11:37AM >>> > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and > other information in this message that do not relate to the official > business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by > it. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 2 17:30:05 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:30:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote References: Message-ID: <3CD15B7D.3F782ABE@concentric.net> This is kinda late for advice, since you have already solved the problem, but it may help in solving similar issues in the future, on other remotes. What you need to resolve the issue is a DC voltmeter and possibly, a 10Kohm resistor. Be very careful, since you will be working on the powered (and switched ON) deck. What you do is measure (on the deck remote control connector) the voltage of all pins relative to the chassis. You will find one pin to show zero volts, all others to be at close to +12V, and one to be closer to +12V (slightly higher) than the rest. The pin at zero volts is the GND pin. The pin with the higher voltage is the Power pin. If you cannot locate the Power pin, connect a 10Kohm resistor from each pin under measurement to GND and repeat the measurement. This will make the difference bigger. Now, leave the Power pin alone. Short each of the other pins (NEVER the Power pin) to the GND pin and note what action each initiates. Now, go to the remote. Measure resistance between each wire to all others. You should get infinite resistance in all measurements. Push and hold one function key and repeat the measurement until you find the two wires that measure a short. Note these two wires. Push and hold another key and repeat the measurement, noting which two wires are shorted now. Repeat for all function keys. You should end up with a table, showing what function causes a short between each wire and one common wire. There will be one wire that is never shorted to any other, regardless of which key is actuated. This is the Power wire. The common wire is the GND wire. The other wires are the function wires, that should correspond to the pins identified on the deck. Just wire the connector accordingly. -- Ron Vinod Kumar wrote: > > Hi Stephen, > > I got the RM-20 remote working. I bought an 8 pin DIN plug and did the > wiring as per the remote socket color code mentioned in the Dragon schematic > diagram. The result was, for some reason, none of the keys worked. Then what > I did was I soldered 8 wires to the 8 pin DIN plug and basically tried > different combination and finally got all the keys on the remote working. I > have created a word document containing a diagram of the 8 pin DIN plug > specifying the pin number and the color of wire which should be soldered to > it. Also a small table containing color wire combinations which will get all > the keys in RM-20 remote do to its intended function. > > We could post that on the NAK Support website for fellow naktalkers for > future use. > > Thanks again for the help. > > Regards > > Vinod > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:10:13 -0600 > > > >"BAN" is actually "BRN", for brown. As far as the correspondence between > >unit & remote on colors, I don't have an RM-20 or it's diagram to refer to. > >What's important is that the right pin goes to the right key line(i.e., pin > >8 to "krev", or "reverse play key" line). The schematic unfortunately does > >not number the pins(and I'm not at the shop, where all the Dragons are), > >but > >you can easily orient yourself as to which end of the pin layout is which > >by > >measuring which pin has 0volts on it when powered, which is the ground > >line. > >All other pins should have 4-5volts on them. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Vinod Kumar" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 7:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > > > > > Hello Stephen, > > > > > > Thank you so much. I did find the Dragon Mechanical Control schematic at > >the > > > FTP site and got the page which shows the remote pin layout. I do have > >one > > > question regarding the colors mentioned in the schematic. > > > > > > The following is the my understanding of the color codes mentioned in > >the > > > remote PCB versus the color code mentioned in the Dragon schematic: > > > > > > Remote Dragon > > > PCB Schematic Remarks > > > ------ --------- ------- > > > WHT BAN What is this BAN? Is this BLACK ? > > > YEL YEL > > > GRN GRN > > > RED RED > > > BLU BLU > > > BLK GRY Is this the correct? > > > ORN ORN > > > VIO VIO > > > > > > > > > Could you please let me know if the above assumption is ok or not? > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > Vinod > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > >Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:43:05 -0600 > > > > > > > >It sounds like someone re-wired it to run an old 700 or 1000, which had > > > >7-pin DIN remotes. I'm quite sure the RM-20 needs all 8 pins. I think > > > >there is the right bit of Dragon schematic on the ftp site to show you > >the > > > >right pinout for the 8 pin plug. If not, give me a call during the > > > >afternoon on a weekday & I'll read off the pin assignments for you. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Vinod Kumar" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 6:17 PM > > > >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi RM-20 remote > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Naktalkers... > > > > > > > > > > I have a Nakamichi Dragon Remote RM-20 which is not working > >properly. > > > > > > > > > > - The FAST FORWARD BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to PLAY the > >tape. > > > > > - The REWIND BUTTON on the remote has no effect at all. > > > > > - The FORWARD PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to FAST > >FORWARD > > > > > - The AUTOREVERSE PLAY BUTTON on the remote makes the deck to REWIND > > > > > the tape > > > > > - The STOP, PAUSE and the RECORD buttons work properly. > > > > > > > > > > Is there any reason as to why this remote functions improperly? > > > > > > > > > > Also I noticed that the male jack that connects to the Dragon deck > >has > >7 > > > > > pins whereas the female socket has 8 slots. Could someone verify if > >the > > > >male > > > > > jack should have 7 instead of 8. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > > > Vinod > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu May 2 17:34:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:34:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani References: <001f01c1f12b$4701c2b0$0f756acf@johnnyrotten> <3CD15EF2.000004.02868@CopyTech> Message-ID: <012401c1f1ee$c943d1a0$66756acf@johnnyrotten> I think perhaps the B 210 is a better looking, true to ReVox style machine where as the B 215 looks a little like a computer based unit. But still beautiful in its own way. ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Well, you know, I have 2 of those and I was looking for a predecessor. What a shame ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 03:17:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Carlos, I've seen that name. You should have bought my Sankified B 215! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani Hello Fellows: Just a word of caution: if you ever come across a guy code named Artani at e.bay, stay away from him ! I 've just been fried with a so called "excellent condition deck + papers" Revox B-710 MK II. The deck can not play a tape, hardly wind anything and no papers arrived. Also, I have noticed that when ever you need to solve a fraud like this trough e.bay is of no use ! I later knew that these Artani has fried other people as well. Carlos The Tape Man ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Thu May 2 17:37:47 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:37:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani References: <001f01c1f12b$4701c2b0$0f756acf@johnnyrotten> <3CD15EF2.000004.02868@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3CD15D4B.AE276616@concentric.net> > Also, I have noticed that when ever you need to solve > a fraud like this trough e.bay is of no use ! My experience exactly. Go through their elaborate site and you suddenly discover there is no address to send a complaint to. They have a 'Square Trade' facility, but the people there will go through hoops to do nothing and will then say they have not been able to contact the scammer, because he hasn't answered their email. I will never, ever, buy anything through ebay, unless the seller is willing and able to accept a direct charge to VISA. I just lost a winning bid fro a Rane THX-44, because the seller, that previously said that he would accept direct charge, decided that he actually couldn't. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 2 20:11:08 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 01:11:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] dragon guide height (and peak hold default) References: <3CD140BE.E0EEE1E9@concentric.net> Message-ID: <039701c1f204$bc47d620$c0299bca@smarzuki> Ron, thanks much for your prompt and detailed help ... you guru guys are excellent !!! Will try your instruction asap. Best regards, Salim SM PS: ... if anybody has a scanned portion of this CR7 logic board ... i'll try to implement this 'knowledge base' to get my onkyo tuner defaulted to 'wide' IF position when switched on. =) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon guide height (and peak hold default) Salim, To make the CR-7 come up in peak (not peak hold) mode, try the following experiment: 1. On the logic board, locate R704 and R705 (both 470K). 2. Lift the side of R704 that goes to the junction of D655, R710 and C631. 3. Lift the side of R705 that goes to +15V. 4. Connect the lifted side of R704 to the point you lifted R705 from (+15V). 5. Connect the lifted side of R705 to the point you lifted from R704 (junction of D655, R710 and C631). In total, this involves lifting two resistor leads and adding two short jumpers. Make sure you do this in a reversible way... Regards, -- Ron smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 2 20:06:09 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:06:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! In-Reply-To: <000d01c1f1a2$4dbc3320$8ffd10ac@mariano> Message-ID: <001c01c1f204$093bf5c0$cfa787d9@a4s1s2> Also known as Nakophilia .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mariano L. Honrado Jr. Sent: 02 May 2002 07:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] It's Naka-colectophile! Gentlemen, The correct name of our common, incurable affliction is Naka-colectophile (rhymes with audiophile), meaning a lover of .. quite the opposite of -phobia (the fear of)! We are all doomed. There is no known cure. Keep on Nakking, Mariano Honrado ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > Naka-colecto-phobia ... too late Kent, I too fought this battle and > lost in a big way. I'm still lucky there's no revox or tandberg in > sight that can easily slaughter this helpless soldier. :-) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kent Merideth > Date: Thursday, May 2, 2002 0:25 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Be Aware of Artani > > > Salim, > > > > Head this warning; don't acquire any more quality cassette decks, > > beforeit is too late! Once you start a collection and have "main- > > lined" with > > making great recordings/copies, there is no turning back. Conversely, > > if the person has only used mediocre decks, there is no basis to > > establish a "habit" of substance abuse. The only abuse then is > > inflicted upon the ears in the form of poor quality music. Carlos > > seemsto be in the midst of kicking the habit of Naka-colecto- > > phobia, but is > > struggling. I fear many of us are in this battle. Hopefully, I have > > stopped my quest. Do any of you remember a TV show by the name of > > "Eight is Enough!"? That's the moto I'm going to hold on to. Brian, > > what was Range's response to your offer of $300 for that "sick" > > Limiteddeck? I still think he is pulling our virtual legs. > > > > In all seriousness, we do need to hold in the reigns on our hobby, > > so it > > does not negatively impact our families. With that in mind, let's > > enjoythe music! > > > > Kent > > > > > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/01/02 11:37AM >>> > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu May 2 20:41:43 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi and Car Audio Question Message-ID: Hi, I was wondering what you all do for car music systems. I have a 2000 Chevy Silverado and it has the stock CD player with tape deck. Surprisingly enough, the tape sounds amazingly close to the CD with the tapes that I make on my Nak DR-8. I'm looking for something (if possible) that sounds better. My question to you all is that I was looking into upgrading my system to the Nak CD 700. Is this car audio CD player as good as it appears to be? The only qualm I have about the whole thing is that I'd like to have a tape deck. Not only to be able to listen to unabridged books on tape, but to play the various mix tapes that I have. I mean sure, I make mix CDs with my computer (all Plextor SCSI equipment: excellent at perfect digital audio extraction to make the best quality CD-R copies -- no MP3s here), but it's often more convenient to carry around a handful of tapes. Is there a way to have both the CD 700 and some kind of remote-mounted tape? Does anybody care about tapes anymore in the car audio world anymore? Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 2 21:23:54 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:23:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] dragon guide height (and peak hold default) References: <3CD140BE.E0EEE1E9@concentric.net> <039701c1f204$bc47d620$c0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CD1924A.389E6007@concentric.net> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, thanks much for your prompt and detailed help ... you guru guys are > excellent !!! Will try your instruction asap. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: ... if anybody has a scanned portion of this CR7 logic board ... i'll > try to implement this 'knowledge base' to get my onkyo tuner defaulted to > 'wide' IF position when switched on. =) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:35 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] dragon guide height (and peak hold default) > > Salim, > > To make the CR-7 come up in peak (not peak hold) mode, > try the following experiment: > > 1. On the logic board, locate R704 and R705 (both 470K). > 2. Lift the side of R704 that goes to the junction of > D655, R710 and C631. > 3. Lift the side of R705 that goes to +15V. > 4. Connect the lifted side of R704 to the point you > lifted R705 from (+15V). > 5. Connect the lifted side of R705 to the point you > lifted from R704 (junction of D655, R710 and C631). > > In total, this involves lifting two resistor leads and > adding two short jumpers. Make sure you do this in a > reversible way... > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > I have a copy of a copy of the CR-7 service manual. I'll try to scan the logic board schematic and if legible, will email you a copy. Give me a day or two (I have to move the cable modem to the computer than has the scanner). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 3 22:29:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:29:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c1f2e1$39fc8b60$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Get a load of THIS!!! sLURRRRRP! Dribble dribble ..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350309305 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat May 4 00:06:58 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 23:06:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 Message-ID: <01C1F2F8.9D8A9200.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I don't know who Mr Galen is, and I have not followed up all the background material, but I do know who Mr Sank is, and he succeeded in saving a fellow enthusiast time and expense. Mr Galen's decision to make quasi-legal threats in this forum is what we in the UK call "courageous". John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: service at nakamichi.us [SMTP:service at nakamichi.us] Sent: Monday, 29 April, 2002 06:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 TO: Mr. Stephen Sank, RE: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1349074517 >From one e-Bay member to another; Are you nuts!!? Direct contact with another e-Bay member, for what you did, is prohibited according to the eBay rules and It's also not the right thing to do! He did not contact you first. We know your smart, so STOP STARTING !! Move on with your life and stay out of mine. Sincerely, Jeffrey Galin "Nakamichi Serviced Here" by Experts ELECTRONICS SERVICE LABS 1807 Berlin Turnpike Wethersfield, Connecticut 06109 USA VOICE & FAX 860-529-3700 Monday to Friday from 8am to 6pm EST service at nakamichi.us www.nakamichi.us PLEASE INCLUDE OUR PREVIOUS EMAILS _____________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "brianbenkel" To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 7:34 PM Subject: Fw: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire Hi Jeff. I just recieved this email. I tried his suggstion to clean the tire and now my deck works again so I'd like to withdraw my bid for your idler tire. Thanks anyway. -Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Question from eBay Member- Nakamichi idler tire > > To member: bribenk > From member: stephensank > > -------------------- > > > I just wanted to let you know that this is exactly the same idler tire that you can buy from http://www.mcmelectronics.com for 50cents each(stock #32-5665), and further that 3/4 of the time, cleaning your existing idler tire is just as good as replacement. I've uploaded the instructions I've written for cleaning & replacement of the idler tire to http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt for Nak owners. If you need the altered instructions for the RX202, just email me. > Always happy to help out Nakamichi owners. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > -------------------- > This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's email forwarding system. > If you reply to the email, your response will go directly to the member and > not through eBay. > > eBay does not tolerate spam (i.e., unsolicited commercial email) and is > taking steps to protect members from this abuse. In addition, solicitations > to buy or sell items outside of eBay violate eBay rules and are not covered > by services that protect members such as feedback, insurance, escrow, and > dispute resolution. If this is an offer to buy/sell items outside of eBay, > please do not participate. Enter the following link into your browser to learn more. Link: http://pages.ebay.com/help/email_info.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat May 4 01:26:28 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 19:26:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI DRAGON TT Message-ID: <000801c1f2f9$f3c88db0$b6021fac@brianm> http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?anlgtabl&1025646925&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 02:32:40 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 01:32:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors In-Reply-To: <000801c1f2f9$f3c88db0$b6021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000c01c1f303$3301ec20$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Calling technophiles! I keep reading that DC motors are best for TTs ... and wonder if this is not just a generalisation! What's the score, guys? And if DC motors are generally better than AV how is it that nearly $5k worth of new Oracle Delphi Mk Vs using a "low voltage AC synchronous motor" Any views? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Sat May 4 03:14:05 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 18:14:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors References: <000c01c1f303$3301ec20$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004101c1f308$fc2537b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> I suppose DC is better if you want to play your records backwards, to listen to all those subliminal messages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Sat May 4 05:25:35 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 23:25:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help References: <000c01c1f303$3301ec20$75a987d9@a4s1s2> <004101c1f308$fc2537b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3CD354AE.5ADC881F@snet.net> Speaking of TT motors, can anyone suggest where I might locate a suitable replacement for an old Thorens TD145. It's a decent table for the office, but the motor's getting very tired. Thanks, Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors > Calling technophiles! I keep reading that DC motors are best for TTs ... > and wonder if this is not just a generalisation! What's the score, guys? > And if DC motors are generally better than AV how is it that nearly $5k > worth of new Oracle Delphi Mk Vs using a "low voltage AC synchronous motor" > Any views? > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat May 4 08:50:20 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 02:50:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help References: <000c01c1f303$3301ec20$75a987d9@a4s1s2> <004101c1f308$fc2537b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3CD354AE.5ADC881F@snet.net> Message-ID: <026801c1f337$f52e7d20$0df63fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Ed try Dan Roberts at Robco. His number is (661) 833-1323 he repairs old thorens tables and was recomended to me by thorens usa hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help > Speaking of TT motors, can anyone suggest where I might locate a > suitable replacement for an old Thorens TD145. It's a decent table for > the office, but the motor's getting very tired. > > Thanks, > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 09:55:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 08:55:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help In-Reply-To: <026801c1f337$f52e7d20$0df63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001801c1f341$0a38c140$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Warren These guys might be able to help, too: Technical & General Turntable/record player supplies PO Box 53 Crowborough Sussex TN6 2BY UK Tel: +-44-1892-654534 If you have any trouble contacting them, give me the details of the turntable and I'll be happy to liase for you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 04 May 2002 07:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Hi Ed try Dan Roberts at Robco. His number is (661) 833-1323 he repairs old thorens tables and was recomended to me by thorens usa hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help > Speaking of TT motors, can anyone suggest where I might locate a > suitable replacement for an old Thorens TD145. It's a decent table for > the office, but the motor's getting very tired. > > Thanks, > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat May 4 10:11:18 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:11:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors Message-ID: <01C1F34B.B55926A0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I understand that Pink Triangle pioneered the use of servo controlled DC motors, first on their original table, then on the Anniversary, which came out in 1991. Is this correct? (I have had an Anniversary from almost new, and it still performs wonderfully well - much more accurate than the Linn LP12 that it replaced.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Warren [SMTP:wtremain at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, 04 May, 2002 07:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors Well I disagree, the move by some like michel to dc motors was related to lack of long term availability of the ac motor they were using. VPI continues to use AC motors as do a number of other manufacturers. The truth lies more in the implementation of the design than the actual motor. I think most of this is origin lives, hype for their dc motor upgrade for the linn but it could be my more cynical side comming out. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors > Calling technophiles! I keep reading that DC motors are best for TTs ... > and wonder if this is not just a generalisation! What's the score, guys? > And if DC motors are generally better than AV how is it that nearly $5k > worth of new Oracle Delphi Mk Vs using a "low voltage AC synchronous motor" > Any views? > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 10:45:48 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:45:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors In-Reply-To: <01C1F34B.B55926A0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002001c1f348$169f0640$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Swap you your Anniversary for my PT TOO plus a fiver?! (PT TOO is working again tho' still with a shade more speed than it ought to have ...) ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 04 May 2002 09:11 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors I understand that Pink Triangle pioneered the use of servo controlled DC motors, first on their original table, then on the Anniversary, which came out in 1991. Is this correct? (I have had an Anniversary from almost new, and it still performs wonderfully well - much more accurate than the Linn LP12 that it replaced.) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Warren [SMTP:wtremain at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, 04 May, 2002 07:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors Well I disagree, the move by some like michel to dc motors was related to lack of long term availability of the ac motor they were using. VPI continues to use AC motors as do a number of other manufacturers. The truth lies more in the implementation of the design than the actual motor. I think most of this is origin lives, hype for their dc motor upgrade for the linn but it could be my more cynical side comming out. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors > Calling technophiles! I keep reading that DC motors are best for TTs ... > and wonder if this is not just a generalisation! What's the score, guys? > And if DC motors are generally better than AV how is it that nearly $5k > worth of new Oracle Delphi Mk Vs using a "low voltage AC synchronous motor" > Any views? > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 4 14:24:07 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:24:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help References: <001801c1f341$0a38c140$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002c01c1f366$96ecce40$871a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Graham, is there any website of the shop ? I'm looking for a TD165 headshell, used or abused is okay as long as small money involved. Last one on ebay went for $46 ! I can get half of 3009 III for that money over here. Ed, if the 145 motor is similar to TD165's, i have one spare (110V, 60hz) that i can send to you. I was thinking of cannibalising the shaft but motor housing doesn't look 'friendly' (and i don't have the headshell anyway :-). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Warren These guys might be able to help, too: Technical & General Turntable/record player supplies PO Box 53 Crowborough Sussex TN6 2BY UK Tel: +-44-1892-654534 If you have any trouble contacting them, give me the details of the turntable and I'll be happy to liase for you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 04 May 2002 07:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Hi Ed try Dan Roberts at Robco. His number is (661) 833-1323 he repairs old thorens tables and was recomended to me by thorens usa hth Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help > Speaking of TT motors, can anyone suggest where I might locate a > suitable replacement for an old Thorens TD145. It's a decent table for > the office, but the motor's getting very tired. > > Thanks, > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat May 4 17:51:29 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:51:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT References: <000301c1f2e1$39fc8b60$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00c601c1f383$8e828bb0$6f756acf@johnrotten> Graham, The way you shake after three beers I think this unit would be better suited! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348553953 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT > Get a load of THIS!!! sLURRRRRP! Dribble dribble ..... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350309305 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Sat May 4 17:58:35 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (Tellez, Raul CONT) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:58:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158554@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Graham probably STOPS shaking after three beers. Raul -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Graham, The way you shake after three beers I think this unit would be better suited! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348553953 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT > Get a load of THIS!!! sLURRRRRP! Dribble dribble ..... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350309305 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 18:01:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:01:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help In-Reply-To: <002c01c1f366$96ecce40$871a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000a01c1f384$f33a4740$839387d9@a4s1s2> Hi Salim No, they don't have a web site - don't even have an e-mail address! They do headshells for old Lencos, for around £20 (c. $30) so they may also do them for TD165s. If you wish I can enquire for you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 04 May 2002 01:24 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Hi Graham, is there any website of the shop ? I'm looking for a TD165 headshell, used or abused is okay as long as small money involved. Last one on ebay went for $46 ! I can get half of 3009 III for that money over here. Ed, if the 145 motor is similar to TD165's, i have one spare (110V, 60hz) that i can send to you. I was thinking of cannibalising the shaft but motor housing doesn't look 'friendly' (and i don't have the headshell anyway :-). Best regards, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 18:05:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:05:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <00c601c1f383$8e828bb0$6f756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000b01c1f385$94f3f360$839387d9@a4s1s2> LOL! I'll get you at play time! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 04 May 2002 04:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Graham, The way you shake after three beers I think this unit would be better suited! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348553953 John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 18:17:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:17:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158554@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <000601c1f387$2c1e43c0$9fab87d9@a4s1s2> Dead right, mate - thasssss why I drinkkkk .... hic! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tellez, Raul CONT Sent: 04 May 2002 04:59 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Graham probably STOPS shaking after three beers. Raul -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Graham, The way you shake after three beers I think this unit would be better suited! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1348553953 John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT > Get a load of THIS!!! sLURRRRRP! Dribble dribble ..... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350309305 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 4 20:30:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 14:30:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors References: <000c01c1f303$3301ec20$75a987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CD428C6.D284573C@rcn.com> Each motor type has it's advantages and disadvantages. Bottom line is that motor type has far less to do with its performance than it's design and (most important) implementation. The 'best' TT motor is servo driven, in a scheme is a synchronous motor supplied with AC that is produced locally, from the TT DC supply. When executed well, this will provide the highest possible accuracy and stability, coupled with the lowest possible electrical noise, wow and flutter. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Calling technophiles! I keep reading that DC motors are best for > TTs ... and wonder if this is not just a generalisation! What's > the score, guys? And if DC motors are generally better than AV > how is it that nearly $5k worth of new Oracle Delphi Mk Vs using a > "low voltage AC synchronous motor" Any views?Graham > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat May 4 21:09:44 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 22:09:44 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: To UK nakkers Message-ID: Hi, fellas, I'm already with you, i.e. in London. Have several questions re shopping for high-end equipment, but probably would be better if we get in touch off-list - main question being where to look for a CR-7 and a pair of (ideally) ex-demo or clearance sale, etc. (you get the drift -:) Tannoy D700 speakers. Meanwhile here's one to the list, most likely for Jim Volpatti : Has anyone any experience with a line of French-made speakers called Triangle ? They were recommended to me as suitable for my custom-built 2 x 20 wpc valve (tube?)power amp (push-pull with two EL34s per channel for the technically inclined on the list). I did audition them (model Celsius 2, methinks) today with a Copland 822 CD player and Unison Research S2K amp (built arount KT88s - my amp is 2000 miles away) and quite liked the sound. However, I'd like to shop around more extensively - any other suggestions you might have for such a setup ? I use a passive preamp and listen mainly to fusion/smooth jazz/funk - i.e. I like to hear and occasionally feel the bass. Thanks George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat May 4 22:06:18 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 03:06:18 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help References: <000a01c1f384$f33a4740$839387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001d01c1f3a7$278992e0$cb299bca@smarzuki> Do you mean those old headshells are custom built ? In UK ? ... maybe i'll just wait for some more cash and buy used rb 300 instead =) Anyway, thanks for the offer ! Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Hi Salim No, they don't have a web site - don't even have an e-mail address! They do headshells for old Lencos, for around £20 (c. $30) so they may also do them for TD165s. If you wish I can enquire for you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 4 23:36:23 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 22:36:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors In-Reply-To: <3CD428C6.D284573C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001801c1f3b3$bd112ec0$9fab87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Ron. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 04 May 2002 07:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors Each motor type has it's advantages and disadvantages. Bottom line is that motor type has far less to do with its performance than it's design and (most important) implementation. The 'best' TT motor is servo driven, in a scheme is a synchronous motor supplied with AC that is produced locally, from the TT DC supply. When executed well, this will provide the highest possible accuracy and stability, coupled with the lowest possible electrical noise, wow and flutter. -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun May 5 02:12:24 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:12:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: French made loudspeakers and lowish power tube amps References: Message-ID: <3CD478E7.E480DF17@earthlink.net> Hi George, I'm always here to help, anyway I can. First of all, a few questions. I'm assuming that you are in the market for speakers only. With 20 wpc of tube amplification, I would suggest speakers that are at least 90 db/2.83V efficient, whose nominal impedance is at least 6 ohms and whose minimum impedance does not dip below 4 ohms, especially if you have a large listening room or prefer to listen at loud volumes. What is the size of your listening room? Preferred listening volume? Are your room acoustics "live" or "dead" or somewhere in between? Are you looking for floorstanders or bookshelf speakers? What speakers do you own now and do you like and dislike about them. Give me an idea of what type of sound you prefer tonally, dynamically and spatially and maybe I can make a recommendation or two. I listened to a few Triangle models at this year's Consumer Electronic Show, mostly with Audio Analogue electronics (from Italy) and thought they sounded pretty good. A little bright, slightly lacking in warmth in the lower midrange, solid fast dynamics and tight lean bass were my impressions. Keep in mind that this was with a solid state integrated amp, albeit a fairly musical sounding one. I find that most French speakers (Triangle, JM Lab, Cabasse, etc) are balanced slightly on the lighter, faster, more transparent side, while their electronics (YBA, Audio Aero, Jadis, etc) tend to sound a bit warmer, slower and more forgiving. I would not recommend most French speakers with typical sounding solid state electronics, unless of course, you like that kind of sound. From your choice of amplification, I have to assume that you are not in this camp. Having said that, EL34 (beautiful rich midrange and low end and slightly rolled off highs) and KT88 (well balanced sound overall with all the strengths of a quality output tube) are two of my favorite output tubes for medium to low efficiency speakers. Any well designed amp that uses these tubes, should work great with most French speakers, assuming that the rest of your system and the listening room are up to snuff. Let me know if you have any other questions and good luck!! Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity George Valkov wrote: > Hi, fellas, I'm already with you, i.e. in London. Have several questions re > shopping for high-end equipment, but probably would be better if we get in > touch off-list - main question being where to look for a CR-7 and a pair of > (ideally) ex-demo or clearance sale, etc. (you get the drift -:) Tannoy D700 > speakers. Meanwhile here's one to the list, most likely for Jim Volpatti : > > Has anyone any experience with a line of French-made speakers called > Triangle ? They were recommended to me as suitable for my custom-built 2 x > 20 wpc valve (tube?)power amp (push-pull with two EL34s per channel for the > technically inclined on the list). I did audition them (model Celsius 2, > methinks) today with a Copland 822 CD player and Unison Research S2K amp > (built arount KT88s - my amp is 2000 miles away) and quite liked the sound. > However, I'd like to shop around more extensively - any other suggestions > you might have for such a setup ? I use a passive preamp and listen mainly > to fusion/smooth jazz/funk - i.e. I like to hear and occasionally feel the > bass. > > Thanks > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 5 02:31:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 01:31:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help In-Reply-To: <001d01c1f3a7$278992e0$cb299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001f01c1f3cc$4445fd40$9fab87d9@a4s1s2> The Lenco ones are - yes. They make other parts for Lenco's, Garrards and - I believe - Thorens TD124s, as well as some other old TT make (that I can't recall at the moment.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 04 May 2002 09:06 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Do you mean those old headshells are custom built ? In UK ? ... maybe i'll just wait for some more cash and buy used rb 300 instead =) Anyway, thanks for the offer ! Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:01 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help Hi Salim No, they don't have a web site - don't even have an e-mail address! They do headshells for old Lencos, for around £20 (c. $30) so they may also do them for TD165s. If you wish I can enquire for you. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun May 5 06:43:01 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 00:43:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help References: <001801c1f341$0a38c140$75a987d9@a4s1s2> <002c01c1f366$96ecce40$871a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CD4B854.2F317973@snet.net> It's great to have a group like this that can offer such a wealth of knowledge and suggestions! Do not cannibalize that motor Salim, I would love to have it as the 165 did indeed use an essentially identical motor to the 145. Let me know if you'd really be willing to part with it. Best Regards, Ed Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi Graham, is there any website of the shop ? I'm looking for a TD165 > headshell, used or abused is okay as long as small money involved. Last one > on ebay went for $46 ! I can get half of 3009 III for that money over here. > > Ed, if the 145 motor is similar to TD165's, i have one spare (110V, 60hz) > that i can send to you. I was thinking of cannibalising the shaft but motor > housing doesn't look 'friendly' (and i don't have the headshell anyway :-). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:55 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help > > Warren > > These guys might be able to help, too: > > Technical & General > Turntable/record player supplies > PO Box 53 > Crowborough > Sussex TN6 2BY > UK > > Tel: +-44-1892-654534 > > If you have any trouble contacting them, give me the details of the > turntable and I'll be happy to liase for you. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: 04 May 2002 07:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help > > Hi Ed > try Dan Roberts at Robco. His number is (661) 833-1323 > he repairs old thorens tables and was recomended to me by thorens usa > hth > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:25 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT Motors... Help > > > Speaking of TT motors, can anyone suggest where I might locate a > > suitable replacement for an old Thorens TD145. It's a decent table for > > the office, but the motor's getting very tired. > > > > Thanks, > > Ed > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun May 5 21:46:31 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 12:46:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? References: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000f01c1f46d$8e5d0d00$3db5b742@pii366custom> Any e-pinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 5 23:25:40 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:25:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? In-Reply-To: <000f01c1f46d$8e5d0d00$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <002501c1f47b$67c987a0$52c387d9@a4s1s2> Humph! Better or not, for that money I'd rather buy a Dragon and put what I save into buying more music .... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 05 May 2002 08:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? Any e-pinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun May 5 23:54:39 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:54:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? References: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> <000f01c1f46d$8e5d0d00$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <032d01c1f47f$7872d4e0$0e3442cf@sank1> Wait, I'll stop laughing in a few minutes. The term, "dressing up a turd" leaps to mind. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > Any e-pinions? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Mon May 6 00:07:54 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:07:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? References: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> <000f01c1f46d$8e5d0d00$3db5b742@pii366custom> <032d01c1f47f$7872d4e0$0e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <007601c1f481$4f34bf60$8e021fac@brianm> > The term, "dressing up a turd" leaps to mind. LOL LOL LOL Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > Wait, I'll stop laughing in a few minutes. > > > The term, "dressing up a turd" leaps to mind. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 1:46 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > > > > Any e-pinions? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <00d301c1eba3$da754680$293442cf@sank1> <000f01c1f46d$8e5d0d00$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <022a01c1f482$773125c0$6f756acf@johnrotten> Don't get Stephen on Sony vs. Nakamichi unless you are wearing a bullet proof vest! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > Any e-pinions? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Mon May 6 02:15:47 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:15:47 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? In-Reply-To: <000f01c1f46d$8e5d0d00$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: This is a pretty good deck. I would compare it to TEAC V8030S or Pioneer CT-95 - the only advantage over a Dragon it might have is that it is brand new, i.e., these are still in production. However, this is too much to pay for a SONY ES. In my opinion any used 3 head NAK deck in decent condition would be a much better deal (even if you get any of these used units and will need to spend some money in NM, will leave you with a lot left for music ...) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Sun, May 05, 2002 2:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon May 6 03:45:33 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 18:45:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] shure ultra 500 References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020414131212.01fe4d60@mail.verizon.net> <002901c1eaed$6fa4bae0$9e299bca@smarzuki> <09bb01c1eb4c$eb080de0$163442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <004401c1f49f$b6461c30$3db5b742@pii366custom> Besides the service manuals located on the website below: http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/service/english/ Are there user manuals for Naks available for download anywhere? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon May 6 18:07:34 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 09:07:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE04C@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> <017801c1ebf8$19981aa0$293442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000401c1f518$22722250$3db5b742@pii366custom> Hi Stephen! As you probably know, Jeffrey Galin has started using "private auction" features to avoid your spoiling his ripoff game. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350101381 Why don't you take out a "FREE NAKAMICHI ADVICE" auction right beside it in the "featured auction" section? He is charging $15 for international shipping and handling via mail! Add that to the cost of the idler (closing in on $13.00 right now) and you are looking at a $30.00 idler for someone in Europe. Wow! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon May 6 18:41:08 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:41:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! Message-ID: <01C1F525.38418E60.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Whoaa - steady now guys. I have exchanged some private e-mails since this thread started, and I have learnt a lot since I made my original post defending Stephen. Having looked into it, I cannot see that there is anything wrong with what JG is doing. He is trying to earn a living by keeping these machines going, just the same as Stephen. It is just that they disagree on the method to solve this particular problem. Mr Galin believes that Stephen's fix does not last. Hence, Mr G's solution could be a whole lot cheaper for me than if I had to ship a unit both ways across the Atlantic (USD250 minimum?) to have work done by a technician. My sympathy lies with Mr Galin at the moment. Because this is the Internet, we the customers get to see this miniature trade war in all its glory. Whilst it is healthy to debate issues such as this, I do not think it right to participate to the extent of interfering with a perfectly legitimate trade. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [SMTP:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Monday, 06 May, 2002 17:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! Hi Stephen! As you probably know, Jeffrey Galin has started using "private auction" features to avoid your spoiling his ripoff game. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350101381 Why don't you take out a "FREE NAKAMICHI ADVICE" auction right beside it in the "featured auction" section? He is charging $15 for international shipping and handling via mail! Add that to the cost of the idler (closing in on $13.00 right now) and you are looking at a $30.00 idler for someone in Europe. Wow! --Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 6 19:34:09 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 00:34:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? References: Message-ID: <001901c1f524$3b15d980$e0299bca@smarzuki> I always imagine how much better a Nak could be with dolby S & HX pro ! And to those lusting for 'champagne' colored (hah) DR10 ... we can arrange something. Stop laughing, maybe one day it'll be collector's item as an LTD. Hmm, maybe i can make that offer to wufwuf. Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? This is a pretty good deck. I would compare it to TEAC V8030S or Pioneer CT-95 - the only advantage over a Dragon it might have is that it is brand new, i.e., these are still in production. However, this is too much to pay for a SONY ES. In my opinion any used 3 head NAK deck in decent condition would be a much better deal (even if you get any of these used units and will need to spend some money in NM, will leave you with a lot left for music ...) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon May 6 19:29:08 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:29:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: French made loudspeakers and lowish power tube amps In-Reply-To: <3CD478E7.E480DF17@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c1f523$882ac790$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Hello Jim. I am currently using the Cabasse Catalane 500's along w/ Jadis amplification. Have had this combo for over a year & am totally happy w/ it. I have also listened to some of the cheaper Cabasse's and have found them to be a bit bright on the top. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: French made loudspeakers and lowish power tube amps Hi George, I'm always here to help, anyway I can. First of all, a few questions. I'm assuming that you are in the market for speakers only. With 20 wpc of tube amplification, I would suggest speakers that are at least 90 db/2.83V efficient, whose nominal impedance is at least 6 ohms and whose minimum impedance does not dip below 4 ohms, especially if you have a large listening room or prefer to listen at loud volumes. What is the size of your listening room? Preferred listening volume? Are your room acoustics "live" or "dead" or somewhere in between? Are you looking for floorstanders or bookshelf speakers? What speakers do you own now and do you like and dislike about them. Give me an idea of what type of sound you prefer tonally, dynamically and spatially and maybe I can make a recommendation or two. I listened to a few Triangle models at this year's Consumer Electronic Show, mostly with Audio Analogue electronics (from Italy) and thought they sounded pretty good. A little bright, slightly lacking in warmth in the lower midrange, solid fast dynamics and tight lean bass were my impressions. Keep in mind that this was with a solid state integrated amp, albeit a fairly musical sounding one. I find that most French speakers (Triangle, JM Lab, Cabasse, etc) are balanced slightly on the lighter, faster, more transparent side, while their electronics (YBA, Audio Aero, Jadis, etc) tend to sound a bit warmer, slower and more forgiving. I would not recommend most French speakers with typical sounding solid state electronics, unless of course, you like that kind of sound. From your choice of amplification, I have to assume that you are not in this camp. Having said that, EL34 (beautiful rich midrange and low end and slightly rolled off highs) and KT88 (well balanced sound overall with all the strengths of a quality output tube) are two of my favorite output tubes for medium to low efficiency speakers. Any well designed amp that uses these tubes, should work great with most French speakers, assuming that the rest of your system and the listening room are up to snuff. Let me know if you have any other questions and good luck!! Jim Volpatti Silent Lucidity George Valkov wrote: Hi, fellas, I'm already with you, i.e. in London. Have several questions re shopping for high-end equipment, but probably would be better if we get in touch off-list - main question being where to look for a CR-7 and a pair of (ideally) ex-demo or clearance sale, etc. (you get the drift -:) Tannoy D700 speakers. Meanwhile here's one to the list, most likely for Jim Volpatti : Has anyone any experience with a line of French-made speakers called Triangle ? They were recommended to me as suitable for my custom-built 2 x 20 wpc valve (tube?)power amp (push-pull with two EL34s per channel for the technically inclined on the list). I did audition them (model Celsius 2, methinks) today with a Copland 822 CD player and Unison Research S2K amp (built arount KT88s - my amp is 2000 miles away) and quite liked the sound. However, I'd like to shop around more extensively - any other suggestions you might have for such a setup ? I use a passive preamp and listen mainly to fusion/smooth jazz/funk - i.e. I like to hear and occasionally feel the bass. Thanks George _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Mon May 6 20:42:12 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:42:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: French made loudspeakers and lowish power tube amps References: <000001c1f523$882ac790$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <3CD6CE84.9738253D@earthlink.net> Glad to hear it, John. The French stuff is very, very good. As a matter of fact, I just became San Francisco's exclusive dealer for JMlab! I can't wait to get my demo speakers broken in! JMlab is known mostly for their Utopia series but they make three less expensive lines too. I'm extremely excited about the prospect of offering quality speakers starting at just $300/pr. I'm probably picking up the Audio Refinement line too. The distributor is sending a couple of components down for evaluation, Based on my research and what I know of YBA, I'm expecting great things. YBA and Audio Refinement is said to work extremely well with JMlab speakers. Any comments of the Audio Refinement products are very welcome. And to all the UK Nakkers out there, I'm also considering bringing in the Cambridge Audio (not Cambridge Soundworks!!!) line. I'm read some great things about their current top of the line CD player (all of $480!) and their integrated too. Supposed to be better than most of what's available (the Japanese crap, NAD, Rotel, etc) at twice the price. I also understand that the stuff is pretty reliable too. Just wonder if any of our UK brethren, or anyone else, have had any experience with it. Speak now or forever hold my peace. = ) Going slightly more off topic, has anyone noticed that the sound of a component or speaker can often times be predicted by its country of origin? Or more specifically, based on the personality of its designer (makes me wonder what Stephen's speakers sound like = ) . With the US being the melting pot that it is, we don't have a typical "sound" but I have that British products tend to sound polite and laid back, slightly warm, full and rich, with good pace, rhythm and timing. The French stuff usually sounds fast, tight, dynamic and slightly bright and the German stuff even more so. The Italian stuff is all romance: languid, beautiful, lush, soft, harmonic, liquid. I know I'm generalizing here but my theory has proven correct more times than not. Anyone else noticed the same thing? Jim Volpatti John wrote: > Hello Jim. I am currently using the Cabasse Catalane 500's along w/ > Jadis amplification. Have had this combo for over a year & am totally > happy w/ it. I have also listened to some of the cheaper Cabasse's and > have found them to be a bit bright on the top.John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: French made loudspeakers and > lowish power tube amps > > Hi George, > > I'm always here to help, anyway I can. > > First of all, a few questions. I'm assuming that you are in > the market for speakers only. With 20 wpc of tube > amplification, I would suggest speakers that are at least 90 > db/2.83V efficient, whose nominal impedance is at least 6 > ohms and whose minimum impedance does not dip below 4 ohms, > especially if you have a large listening room or prefer to > listen at loud volumes. What is the size of your listening > room? Preferred listening volume? Are your room acoustics > "live" or "dead" or somewhere in between? Are you looking > for floorstanders or bookshelf speakers? What speakers do > you own now and do you like and dislike about them. Give me > an idea of what type of sound you prefer tonally, > dynamically and spatially and maybe I can make a > recommendation or two. > > I listened to a few Triangle models at this year's Consumer > Electronic Show, mostly with Audio Analogue electronics > (from Italy) and thought they sounded pretty good. A little > bright, slightly lacking in warmth in the lower midrange, > solid fast dynamics and tight lean bass were my impressions. > Keep in mind that this was with a solid state integrated > amp, albeit a fairly musical sounding one. I find that most > French speakers (Triangle, JM Lab, Cabasse, etc) are > balanced slightly on the lighter, faster, more transparent > side, while their electronics (YBA, Audio Aero, Jadis, etc) > tend to sound a bit warmer, slower and more forgiving. I > would not recommend most French speakers with typical > sounding solid state electronics, unless of course, you like > that kind of sound. From your choice of amplification, I > have to assume that you are not in this camp. > > Having said that, EL34 (beautiful rich midrange and low end > and slightly rolled off highs) and KT88 (well balanced sound > overall with all the strengths of a quality output tube) are > two of my favorite output tubes for medium to low efficiency > speakers. Any well designed amp that uses these tubes, > should work great with most French speakers, assuming that > the rest of your system and the listening room are up to > snuff. > > Let me know if you have any other questions and good luck!! > > Jim Volpatti > Silent Lucidity > > > > > George Valkov wrote: > > > Hi, fellas, I'm already with you, i.e. in London. Have > > several questions re > > shopping for high-end equipment, but probably would be > > better if we get in > > touch off-list - main question being where to look for a > > CR-7 and a pair of > > (ideally) ex-demo or clearance sale, etc. (you get the > > drift -:) Tannoy D700 > > speakers. Meanwhile here's one to the list, most likely > > for Jim Volpatti : > > > > Has anyone any experience with a line of French-made > > speakers called > > Triangle ? They were recommended to me as suitable for my > > custom-built 2 x > > 20 wpc valve (tube?)power amp (push-pull with two EL34s > > per channel for the > > technically inclined on the list). I did audition them > > (model Celsius 2, > > methinks) today with a Copland 822 CD player and Unison > > Research S2K amp > > (built arount KT88s - my amp is 2000 miles away) and quite > > liked the sound. > > However, I'd like to shop around more extensively - any > > other suggestions > > you might have for such a setup ? I use a passive preamp > > and listen mainly > > to fusion/smooth jazz/funk - i.e. I like to hear and > > occasionally feel the > > bass. > > > > Thanks > > > > George > > > > ______ > > __________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > = > > ======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > =======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 6 20:43:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:43:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! In-Reply-To: <000401c1f518$22722250$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <000f01c1f52d$ef72dbe0$449487d9@a4s1s2> Awww, come on guys. Give the man a break! ;o) He's only doing what 99% of all business people would do - charge whatever price the market will take. And being honest about it, isn't that what any of us are doing when we put a piece of kit on e-Bay to auction, hoping it goes not just to the highest bidder but way up into the Gods in terms of price? I mean, if one of us stuck a bog standard Dragon on e-Bay and someone bid $2000 for it would we say "I can't accept that bid, it's too high..."? (And if you did refuse, who'd you sell it to - the guy who bid over the value or the guy who bid up to its value?! Take the wisdom of Solomon to decide that one!) Heck, in the Bank where I work the directors HAVE to do that, to "maximise shareholder value", or else the shareholders would kick them out of their jobs and replace them with people who would do it. Maybe that's why I hate working for a publicly listed company and may be that's why I'd be a crap businessman, but it's the way of the World - that's capitalism, the American Way, etc.. Obviously, it's not MY way - atleast, not in my heart (although I obviously earn my daily bread by supporting a bank that does it 24/365 !!!) And it obviously isn't Stephen's way. Were it otherwise, he'd not be so generous with his advice or competitive with his pricing. (Although my own reason for using Stephen's services is more about putting work the way of a friend - at least, I consider him thus - and I like to put my business out to friends because I only take friends I trust!) I respect him enormously for that generous capacity. I also envy the privileged position in which he finds himself, of being ABLE to help people in this self-less way. (The best I can usually do is put money in charity boxes or throw a few £s to the street beggars, who probably only use the cash not to eat or shelter themselves but fund their next shot .... ah well.) But guys with the kind of passion Stephen has for electronics, who is also able to make a living out of that passion, are enormously rare, not to mention lucky! (Hell, I wish I enjoyed my work half as much as Stephen evidently does! I just work to support my family - and a fat lot of pleasure that give me while they're out of the country for 11 months in the year ... which is why I've been on a spending binge on hi fi these last few months ... my revenge!! ;o[) ) But I done a lot of research amongst small business people and I know most of them are in business just to make money, not to enjoy their work.... They may have even started out liking it but the honeymoon ends soon enough! It's not how I'd like to live - I'd prefer Stephen's way, to be employed doing something I love. But that's not likely to happen for me as not for probably 99% of the population of business people because we can't all be that lucky. Most of them want to make as much money as possible, in as quick as time as they can, to get out, to stop working and live comfortably off what they've earned. In anycase, it's not always JG's way to try to make a buck on every occasion - he can be generous with his friends, too, although he'd not advertise it. But I guess he, like most business people in his kind of position, considers anyone else other than a friend is fair game for making a profit because ... that's Business. Live and let live. But if we can help a guy save a few $s here and there by offering timely advice, that's fair enough, too, I think - the good we can do for someone, without charge in this Life is one investment I think we can take with us when we die, which is more than can be said for money .... ;o[) Graham (on soap-box!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 06 May 2002 05:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! Hi Stephen! As you probably know, Jeffrey Galin has started using "private auction" features to avoid your spoiling his ripoff game. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350101381 Why don't you take out a "FREE NAKAMICHI ADVICE" auction right beside it in the "featured auction" section? He is charging $15 for international shipping and handling via mail! Add that to the cost of the idler (closing in on $13.00 right now) and you are looking at a $30.00 idler for someone in Europe. Wow! --Roland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 6 20:46:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:46:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? In-Reply-To: <001901c1f524$3b15d980$e0299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001501c1f52e$638a6700$449487d9@a4s1s2> Salim said: "And to those lusting for 'champagne' colored (hah) DR10 ... we can arrange something." Yeah - paint your Nak with Hammerite! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Mon May 6 21:48:16 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 21:48:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] French stuff In-Reply-To: <200205061946.VAA18777@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim, congratulations with your acquired dealership !!! I agree very much with your observations, but I remember that some 25 years ago, when Cerwin-Vega and Klipsch became known to a larger public over here in Belgium, there was some writing about the difference in East coast and West coast preferences in sound, where the West coast was the more spectacular side . The reference with most audiophiles however was the "British Sound" : very little coloration and nothing spectacular . It was said that this was mainly due to a not very present midrange . The stereotypical characteristics you mention, are imho very real, where I could add that the Danish are relatively close to the German sound (Jamo, B&O) . BTW, it seems that there are only a very limited number of companies manufacturing the loudspeakers themselves (I once read that there are only 5 or 6), so that most of the speakers are an OEM business . Do you know anything about that ? What is funny imho, is that JMLab over here can be found almost everywhere ... I know at least 5 shops here in Antwerp (roughly the size of SF) where they have the high end, and the lower end is sold about everywhere . In general, it's interesting to see how things and reputations have evolved over time : brands that once where very exotic and exclusive, have become rather common and vice-versa . This often has to do with the work the distributor or dealer puts into it, so you know where the success lies :-) Good luck with it ! Eddy > Glad to hear it, John. The French stuff is very, very good. As a matter > of fact, I just became San Francisco's exclusive dealer for JMlab! I > can't wait to get my demo speakers broken in! JMlab is known mostly for > their Utopia series but they make three less expensive lines too. I'm > extremely excited about the prospect of offering quality speakers > starting at just $300/pr. > > I'm probably picking up the Audio Refinement line too. The distributor > is sending a couple of components down for evaluation, Based on my > research and what I know of YBA, I'm expecting great things. YBA and > Audio Refinement is said to work extremely well with JMlab speakers. Any > comments of the Audio Refinement products are very welcome. > > And to all the UK Nakkers out there, I'm also considering bringing in > the Cambridge Audio (not Cambridge Soundworks!!!) line. I'm read some > great things about their current top of the line CD player (all of > $480!) and their integrated too. Supposed to be better than most of > what's available (the Japanese crap, NAD, Rotel, etc) at twice the > price. I also understand that the stuff is pretty reliable too. Just > wonder if any of our UK brethren, or anyone else, have had any > experience with it. Speak now or forever hold my peace. = ) > > Going slightly more off topic, has anyone noticed that the sound of a > component or speaker can often times be predicted by its country of > origin? Or more specifically, based on the personality of its designer > (makes me wonder what Stephen's speakers sound like = ) . With the US > being the melting pot that it is, we don't have a typical "sound" but I > have that British products tend to sound polite and laid back, slightly > warm, full and rich, with good pace, rhythm and timing. The French stuff > usually sounds fast, tight, dynamic and slightly bright and the German > stuff even more so. The Italian stuff is all romance: languid, > beautiful, lush, soft, harmonic, liquid. I know I'm generalizing here > but my theory has proven correct more times than not. Anyone else > noticed the same thing? > > Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Mon May 6 22:46:05 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:46:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2218 In-Reply-To: <200205061946.VAA18777@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, Move over a bit so I can get on that soapbox too :-) It is completely off-topic, but have you ever wondered who those legendary shareholders are ? I myself - like a lot of other employees (they hold about 5% in total) - am a shareholder of the company I work for . The personnel as shareholder is represented by an Irishman, that was the only candidate for this job, and I guess that this guy does this for other companies also . Once a year, there's a shareholders meeting, for which we usually receive the invitation the day of the meeting, that is held in Paris, London, or anywhere else where you can't get on time . Other shareholders have to read in the papers that there is a shareholders meeting . The other shareholders are almost all banks, insurances and/or holdings, represented by their people . Those companies too are held by their personnel, some private investors and other "institutional investors" and the same mechanisms are playing there . The shares those banks and insurances have, have been bought with the money "ordinary people" have on their accounts, with their insurance premiums, or with what they have paid for their life insurances . As a matter of fact, it is so that it aren't the shareholders that rule the companies, but the people that represent those shareholders, and that have found the trick to acquire decision power without having to invest their own money . Needless to say that decision power translates rather easily in Euro's, dollars or even Pounds :-) ... perhaps they're just investing their capacities in a more intelligent way than we do . Returning to the subject itself, there's imho nothing wrong with Jeff Galin's approach, but I'm quite sure that Stephen will get more than for $1 of satisfaction from what he did . For the rest ... well said Graham !!! Eddy > Awww, come on guys. Give the man a break! ;o) He's only doing what 99% of > all business people would do - charge whatever price the market will take. > > And being honest about it, isn't that what any of us are doing when we put a > piece of kit on e-Bay to auction, hoping it goes not just to the highest > bidder but way up into the Gods in terms of price? I mean, if one of us > stuck a bog standard Dragon on e-Bay and someone bid $2000 for it would we > say "I can't accept that bid, it's too high..."? (And if you did refuse, > who'd you sell it to - the guy who bid over the value or the guy who bid up > to its value?! Take the wisdom of Solomon to decide that one!) > > Heck, in the Bank where I work the directors HAVE to do that, to "maximise > shareholder value", or else the shareholders would kick them out of their > jobs and replace them with people who would do it. > > Maybe that's why I hate working for a publicly listed company and may be > that's why I'd be a crap businessman, but it's the way of the World - that's > capitalism, the American Way, etc.. Obviously, it's not MY way - atleast, > not in my heart (although I obviously earn my daily bread by supporting a > bank that does it 24/365 !!!) > > And it obviously isn't Stephen's way. Were it otherwise, he'd not be so > generous with his advice or competitive with his pricing. (Although my own > reason for using Stephen's services is more about putting work the way of a > friend - at least, I consider him thus - and I like to put my business out > to friends because I only take friends I trust!) I respect him > enormously for that generous capacity. I also envy the privileged position > in which he finds himself, of being ABLE to help people in this self-less > way. (The best I can usually do is put money in charity boxes or throw a > few £s to the street beggars, who probably only use the cash not to eat or > shelter themselves but fund their next shot .... ah well.) > > But guys with the kind of passion Stephen has for electronics, who is also > able to make a living out of that passion, are enormously rare, not to > mention lucky! (Hell, I wish I enjoyed my work half as much as Stephen > evidently does! I just work to support my family - and a fat lot of > pleasure that give me while they're out of the country for 11 months in the > year ... which is why I've been on a spending binge on hi fi these last few > months ... my revenge!! ;o[) ) But I done a lot of research amongst > small business people and I know most of them are in business just to make > money, not to enjoy their work.... They may have even started out liking > it but the honeymoon ends soon enough! > > It's not how I'd like to live - I'd prefer Stephen's way, to be employed > doing something I love. But that's not likely to happen for me as not for > probably 99% of the population of business people because we can't all be > that lucky. Most of them want to make as much money as possible, in as > quick as time as they can, to get out, to stop working and live comfortably > off what they've earned. > > In anycase, it's not always JG's way to try to make a buck on every > occasion - he can be generous with his friends, too, although he'd not > advertise it. But I guess he, like most business people in his kind of > position, considers anyone else other than a friend is fair game for making > a profit because ... that's Business. > > Live and let live. But if we can help a guy save a few $s here and there by > offering timely advice, that's fair enough, too, I think - the good we can > do for someone, without charge in this Life is one investment I think we can > take with us when we die, which is more than can be said for money .... > ;o[) > > Graham (on soap-box!) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From forvoen at club-internet.fr Mon May 6 23:31:25 2002 From: forvoen at club-internet.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_ORVOEN?=) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:31:25 +-100 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com archive Message-ID: <01C1F556.8F7CD500@fran-ois> On the page "Messages" in Naks.com, I read : "The naks.com archive can be accessed by going to http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ and typing in "naktalk" for the username & "gearmod" for the password to gain access." But I don't gain access whith this user/pass. How can I do ? I find Service Manuel for Nak 480 (I have Service Manuel for Nak 500) Thanks, François Orvoën ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Tue May 7 00:25:41 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:25:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Business ethics and shareholder value References: Message-ID: <3CD702E5.F017ACFD@earthlink.net> Can't you see It all makes perfect sense Expressed in dollars and cents Pounds shillings and pence ~ Roger Waters, from the album "Amused To Death" POLLET Eddy wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Move over a bit so I can get on that soapbox too :-) > > It is completely off-topic, but have you ever wondered who those legendary > shareholders are ? I myself - like a lot of other employees (they hold about > 5% in total) - am a shareholder of the company I work for . The personnel as > shareholder is represented by an Irishman, that was the only candidate for > this job, and I guess that this guy does this for other companies also . > Once a year, there's a shareholders meeting, for which we usually receive > the invitation the day of the meeting, that is held in Paris, London, or > anywhere else where you can't get on time . Other shareholders have to read > in the papers that there is a shareholders meeting . > The other shareholders are almost all banks, insurances and/or holdings, > represented by their people . Those companies too are held by their > personnel, some private investors and other "institutional investors" and > the same mechanisms are playing there . The shares those banks and > insurances have, have been bought with the money "ordinary people" have on > their accounts, with their insurance premiums, or with what they have paid > for their life insurances . > As a matter of fact, it is so that it aren't the shareholders that rule the > companies, but the people that represent those shareholders, and that have > found the trick to acquire decision power without having to invest their own > money . Needless to say that decision power translates rather easily in > Euro's, dollars or even Pounds :-) ... perhaps they're just investing their > capacities in a more intelligent way than we do . > > Returning to the subject itself, there's imho nothing wrong with Jeff > Galin's approach, but I'm quite sure that Stephen will get more than for $1 > of satisfaction from what he did . > > For the rest ... well said Graham !!! > > Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue May 7 01:47:09 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:47:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Business ethics and shareholder value References: <3CD702E5.F017ACFD@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009101c1f558$8f96b3b0$48756acf@johnrotten> A great album! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Business ethics and shareholder value > Can't you see > It all makes perfect sense > Expressed in dollars and cents > Pounds shillings and pence > > ~ Roger Waters, from the album "Amused To Death" > > > > > POLLET Eddy wrote: > > > Hi Graham, > > > > Move over a bit so I can get on that soapbox too :-) > > > > It is completely off-topic, but have you ever wondered who those legendary > > shareholders are ? I myself - like a lot of other employees (they hold about > > 5% in total) - am a shareholder of the company I work for . The personnel as > > shareholder is represented by an Irishman, that was the only candidate for > > this job, and I guess that this guy does this for other companies also . > > Once a year, there's a shareholders meeting, for which we usually receive > > the invitation the day of the meeting, that is held in Paris, London, or > > anywhere else where you can't get on time . Other shareholders have to read > > in the papers that there is a shareholders meeting . > > The other shareholders are almost all banks, insurances and/or holdings, > > represented by their people . Those companies too are held by their > > personnel, some private investors and other "institutional investors" and > > the same mechanisms are playing there . The shares those banks and > > insurances have, have been bought with the money "ordinary people" have on > > their accounts, with their insurance premiums, or with what they have paid > > for their life insurances . > > As a matter of fact, it is so that it aren't the shareholders that rule the > > companies, but the people that represent those shareholders, and that have > > found the trick to acquire decision power without having to invest their own > > money . Needless to say that decision power translates rather easily in > > Euro's, dollars or even Pounds :-) ... perhaps they're just investing their > > capacities in a more intelligent way than we do . > > > > Returning to the subject itself, there's imho nothing wrong with Jeff > > Galin's approach, but I'm quite sure that Stephen will get more than for $1 > > of satisfaction from what he did . > > > > For the rest ... well said Graham !!! > > > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue May 7 02:30:52 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:30:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] naks.com archive References: <01C1F556.8F7CD500@fran-ois> Message-ID: <009501c1f55e$71c03f40$3db5b742@pii366custom> http://support.naks.com/support/manuals/ Username "Naktalk" Password is "Limited" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 7 03:21:31 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:21:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE04C@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> <017801c1ebf8$19981aa0$293442cf@sank1> <000401c1f518$22722250$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <046601c1f565$85d1b660$0e3442cf@sank1> I had actually deliberately ignored the last idler auction, so I did not know it was private auction mode. And, indeed, I was not trying to harass JG or steal business from him. I was just a bit outraged at seeing people pay $15, $20 or more for a fifty cent idler tire. I frankly consider this profiteering, based on taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge. And doing a good cleaning on an old tire will keep it going for anywhere from six months to two years, depending on usage & atmospheric conditions. This is not much worse than replacing the tire will do, and is certainly no big deal as a maintenance item, unless it's an RX202, which is a bit aggravating to do. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! > Hi Stephen! > > As you probably know, Jeffrey Galin has started using "private auction" > features to avoid your spoiling his ripoff game. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350101381 > > Why don't you take out a "FREE NAKAMICHI ADVICE" auction right beside it in > the "featured auction" section? He is charging $15 for international > shipping and handling via mail! Add that to the cost of the idler (closing > in on $13.00 right now) and you are looking at a $30.00 idler for someone in > Europe. Wow! > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 7 03:31:13 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:31:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! References: <000f01c1f52d$ef72dbe0$449487d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002f01c1f567$a0407520$f8299bca@smarzuki> This doesn't add much ... but i can't resist to say *excellent* comment. Gra, you should consider a career in the U.N. =) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:43 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! Awww, come on guys. Give the man a break! ;o) He's only doing what 99% of all business people would do - charge whatever price the market will take. And being honest about it, isn't that what any of us are doing when we put a piece of kit on e-Bay to auction, hoping it goes not just to the highest bidder but way up into the Gods in terms of price? I mean, if one of us stuck a bog standard Dragon on e-Bay and someone bid $2000 for it would we say "I can't accept that bid, it's too high..."? (And if you did refuse, who'd you sell it to - the guy who bid over the value or the guy who bid up to its value?! Take the wisdom of Solomon to decide that one!) Heck, in the Bank where I work the directors HAVE to do that, to "maximise shareholder value", or else the shareholders would kick them out of their jobs and replace them with people who would do it. Maybe that's why I hate working for a publicly listed company and may be that's why I'd be a crap businessman, but it's the way of the World - that's capitalism, the American Way, etc.. Obviously, it's not MY way - atleast, not in my heart (although I obviously earn my daily bread by supporting a bank that does it 24/365 !!!) And it obviously isn't Stephen's way. Were it otherwise, he'd not be so generous with his advice or competitive with his pricing. (Although my own reason for using Stephen's services is more about putting work the way of a friend - at least, I consider him thus - and I like to put my business out to friends because I only take friends I trust!) I respect him enormously for that generous capacity. I also envy the privileged position in which he finds himself, of being ABLE to help people in this self-less way. (The best I can usually do is put money in charity boxes or throw a few £s to the street beggars, who probably only use the cash not to eat or shelter themselves but fund their next shot .... ah well.) But guys with the kind of passion Stephen has for electronics, who is also able to make a living out of that passion, are enormously rare, not to mention lucky! (Hell, I wish I enjoyed my work half as much as Stephen evidently does! I just work to support my family - and a fat lot of pleasure that give me while they're out of the country for 11 months in the year ... which is why I've been on a spending binge on hi fi these last few months ... my revenge!! ;o[) ) But I done a lot of research amongst small business people and I know most of them are in business just to make money, not to enjoy their work.... They may have even started out liking it but the honeymoon ends soon enough! It's not how I'd like to live - I'd prefer Stephen's way, to be employed doing something I love. But that's not likely to happen for me as not for probably 99% of the population of business people because we can't all be that lucky. Most of them want to make as much money as possible, in as quick as time as they can, to get out, to stop working and live comfortably off what they've earned. In anycase, it's not always JG's way to try to make a buck on every occasion - he can be generous with his friends, too, although he'd not advertise it. But I guess he, like most business people in his kind of position, considers anyone else other than a friend is fair game for making a profit because ... that's Business. Live and let live. But if we can help a guy save a few $s here and there by offering timely advice, that's fair enough, too, I think - the good we can do for someone, without charge in this Life is one investment I think we can take with us when we die, which is more than can be said for money .... ;o[) Graham (on soap-box!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue May 7 04:07:02 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:07:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! References: <01C1F525.38418E60.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3CD736C4.3F3A761@snet.net> John Walker wrote: > Whoaa - steady now guys. > > Mr Galin believes that Stephen's fix does not last. > Hence, Mr G's solution could be a whole lot cheaper for me than if I had to > ship a unit both ways across the Atlantic (USD250 minimum?) to have work > done by a technician. How about the fix that lasts just as long as Mr. Galin's, but only costs $.49 from MCM electronics. I bought ten idlers for one third what he would typically get on the auction for one and routinely replace them before sending out any idler drive Nak that I sell. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Tue May 7 13:02:15 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 07:02:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! In-Reply-To: <046601c1f565$85d1b660$0e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CD77BF7.9472.CBB9A@localhost> > This is not much worse > than replacing the tire will do, and is certainly no big deal as a > maintenance item, unless it's an RX202, which is a bit aggravating to > do. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > OK, so just how do you replace the tire? Specifics, please. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 7 15:00:57 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:00:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] idler tinkerer References: <3CD77BF7.9472.CBB9A@localhost> Message-ID: <001501c1f5c7$54978e00$0a299bca@smarzuki> ----- Original Message ----- From: Ol' Jim, hisself To: naktalk at naks.com OK, so just how do you replace the tire? Specifics, please. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com Jim, here's the long post from SS: To get to the idler, you just have to do this: Open the tape door & pop off the major part of the door, which means just lift up about 1/4" & out. Get a #1 size philips screwdriver & remove the two black screws that are in the upper left & right corners of the inside of the tape cavity. These screws hold the back plate in place. Making note of how the bottom of this plate fits into a groove in the left & right chrome guide pins, tilt the top of the plate toward you, which may require pulling with a bent end of a paper clip or such, then lift it up & out of the deck. You will now see a small wheel with a rubber tire right between the two tape reel spinners. To simply clean the idler(which can keep it going 6 months to a year at a time indefinitely), just close the door frame, turn on the unit & push fast forward. Then take a q-tip dampened with "head cleaning solution" from Radio Shack or a hifi store & hold it lightly against the lower left quadrant of the spinning tire, with just enough force to NOT stop the thing spinning. Slowly rotate the qtip as you go, noticing that the amount of force you can apply without stopping the tire is increasing. Clean until you need quite a bit of pressure to stop it, re-dampening the qtip if needed. Ideally, you should be able to stop the reel spinning with your fingers & have that stop the brass motor pulley too. To replace the idler tire, you need a little bit of dexterity in your fingers. In the center of the wheel, you'll see a tiny, clear plastic washer that holds the wheel to the shaft. Use a pair of fine blade wire cutters(actually, Revlon cuticle trimmers, which look just like wire cutters, are perfect choice) to grab one edge, gently, of the washer & pull it off the shaft. Be VERY careful not to loose it. Pull the wheel off the shaft, seeing that the little black slip washer under it stays behind(but it's not critical if that one gets lost). Pull the little tire out of the groove in the wheel & then stretch the new one on & into the groove, making sure it is settled in smoothly all the way round, above & below. Put the wheel back on the shaft. To put the retaining washer back on, you first need to give some support behind the wheel holder arm, lest it break off when the washer is pushed back on. Use a small screwdrive to act as a support behind the arm. Then, wet the tip of your finger to make the washer stick to it, then push the washer back onto the shaft until it pops into the shaft groove. This means letting the shaft dig into your finger tip a bit, but not enough to do any damage. Re-install the back plate, bottom first, making sure to get the plate into the grooves of the guide pins at each side, then tilt it back into place. Re-install the screws, pop the door back on to the frame & you are done. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue May 7 20:16:39 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:16:39 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! References: <046601c1f565$85d1b660$0e3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CD81A07.000004.00588@CopyTech> I have to back Mr Sank on this one ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:20:54 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! I had actually deliberately ignored the last idler auction, so I did not know it was private auction mode. And, indeed, I was not trying to harass JG or steal business from him. I was just a bit outraged at seeing people pay $15, $20 or more for a fifty cent idler tire. I frankly consider this profiteering, based on taking advantage of people's lack of knowledge. And doing a good cleaning on an old tire will keep it going for anywhere from six months to two years, depending on usage & atmospheric conditions. This is not much worse than replacing the tire will do, and is certainly no big deal as a maintenance item, unless it's an RX202, which is a bit aggravating to do. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! > Hi Stephen! > > As you probably know, Jeffrey Galin has started using "private auction" > features to avoid your spoiling his ripoff game. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350101381 > > Why don't you take out a "FREE NAKAMICHI ADVICE" auction right beside it in > the "featured auction" section? He is charging $15 for international > shipping and handling via mail! Add that to the cost of the idler (closing > in on $13.00 right now) and you are looking at a $30.00 idler for someone in > Europe. Wow! > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I bought ten idlers for one third what he would typically get on the auction for one and routinely replace them before sending out any idler drive Nak that I sell. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed May 8 00:43:44 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:43:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] idler tinkerer In-Reply-To: <001501c1f5c7$54978e00$0a299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CD82060.14815.F94BA@localhost> Thanks so much, Salim (and you also, Stephen). We will not talk about how much that tire cost me (but it was a lot more than fifty cents). Oh well, live and learn . . . Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 8 02:40:15 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:40:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! References: Message-ID: <002001c1f628$ec1972a0$3b3442cf@sank1> 32-5665 is the MCM stock number for the tire. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] $30.00 a Galin! > Ed, > > What is the part number at MCM for the rubber idler tire? > > Kent > > > >>> enoyes at snet.net 05/06/02 09:07PM >>> > > > John Walker wrote: > > > Whoaa - steady now guys. > > > > Mr Galin believes that Stephen's fix does not last. > > Hence, Mr G's solution could be a whole lot cheaper for me than if I > had to > > ship a unit both ways across the Atlantic (USD250 minimum?) to have > work > > done by a technician. > > How about the fix that lasts just as long as Mr. Galin's, but only costs > $.49 from MCM > electronics. I bought ten idlers for one third what he would typically > get on the > auction for one and routinely replace them before sending out any idler > drive Nak that > I sell. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed May 8 04:38:27 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:38:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <002001c1f628$ec1972a0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CD88FA0.CFE7195D@snet.net> A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and that there was some question as to whether they would ever be re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, it's gone for good! This is not to be taken lightly as both Stephen Sank and Jeff Galin have not been able to find ANY third party belt that will provide acceptable performance with these transports! While I'm at it, I think that Jeff should be given a tremendous amount of credit as Patty in parts made it very clear that he spent quite a bit of time working directly with Nakamichi and was instrumental in getting the company to agree to do this last run. Without his services, our beloved decks might have become nothing more than conversation pieces far too soon! If you're thinking of keeping your deck(s) for any length of time, I would strongly suggest ordering some spare belts, and any other parts you may need in the future. I also would suggest that you do this soon. Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed May 8 06:17:07 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 00:17:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! In-Reply-To: <3CD88FA0.CFE7195D@snet.net> Message-ID: <3CD86E83.21273.141D83F@localhost> > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast > majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and > that there was some question as to whether they would ever be > re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now > has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that > this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, > it's gone for good! So, which NAK models would require these belts? Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed May 8 06:28:46 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 00:28:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <3CD86E83.21273.141D83F@localhost> Message-ID: <3CD8A976.71216BBC@snet.net> I can say for a fact that this would be the 480, 580, LX series for sure, and would also quite possibly include 670, 680, 700ZXE/L, Dragon... Ed "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast > > majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and > > that there was some question as to whether they would ever be > > re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now > > has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that > > this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, > > it's gone for good! > > So, which NAK models would require these belts? > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelhall at pacbell.net Wed May 8 07:49:07 2002 From: joelhall at pacbell.net (joel hall) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 22:49:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <3CD86E83.21273.141D83F@localhost> <3CD8A976.71216BBC@snet.net> Message-ID: <3CD8BC53.A8814290@pacbell.net> Ed Noyes: What about the RX505 or the CR7A insofar as the need to stock up on these belts? Thanks jrh Ed Noyes wrote: > I can say for a fact that this would be the 480, 580, LX series for sure, and would > also quite possibly include 670, 680, 700ZXE/L, Dragon... > > Ed > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast > > > majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and > > > that there was some question as to whether they would ever be > > > re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now > > > has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that > > > this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, > > > it's gone for good! > > > > So, which NAK models would require these belts? > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 8 09:09:26 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:09:26 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! In-Reply-To: <3CD88FA0.CFE7195D@snet.net> Message-ID: <000e01c1f65f$49c29720$b6ec883e@a4s1s2> Any recommendations as to what essential spares ought to be put aside for a ZX-9 and a RX505? And ..... ooops! .... I nearly asked from where I ought to buy them !!!! ;o) (Tease!!) Grinham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: 08 May 2002 03:38 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and that there was some question as to whether they would ever be re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, it's gone for good! This is not to be taken lightly as both Stephen Sank and Jeff Galin have not been able to find ANY third party belt that will provide acceptable performance with these transports! While I'm at it, I think that Jeff should be given a tremendous amount of credit as Patty in parts made it very clear that he spent quite a bit of time working directly with Nakamichi and was instrumental in getting the company to agree to do this last run. Without his services, our beloved decks might have become nothing more than conversation pieces far too soon! If you're thinking of keeping your deck(s) for any length of time, I would strongly suggest ordering some spare belts, and any other parts you may need in the future. I also would suggest that you do this soon. Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 8 09:15:16 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 01:15:16 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <3CD86E83.21273.141D83F@localhost> <3CD8A976.71216BBC@snet.net> <3CD8BC53.A8814290@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <00bf01c1f660$1b6e6ec0$3b3442cf@sank1> The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: 480 thru 482Z 580 thru 582Z 660ZX thru 682ZX, including non-ZX models LX-3, LX-5 ZX-7 700ZXE, 700ZXL 1000ZXL RX-303, RX-505(not RX-202) I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any. Dragon & ZX-9 do not use it, nor do any Sankyo-mech decks, such as CR-7, DR-1, etc. Please don't ask me to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "joel hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > Ed Noyes: > > What about the RX505 or the CR7A insofar as the need to stock up on these belts? > > Thanks > > jrh > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > I can say for a fact that this would be the 480, 580, LX series for sure, and would > > also quite possibly include 670, 680, 700ZXE/L, Dragon... > > > > Ed > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast > > > > majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and > > > > that there was some question as to whether they would ever be > > > > re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now > > > > has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that > > > > this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, > > > > it's gone for good! > > > > > > So, which NAK models would require these belts? > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed May 8 10:04:58 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 04:04:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! Message-ID: <264B6E5F.22A2C25D.032C04E1@netscape.net> "Stephen Sank" wrote: >I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any.  Dragon & ZX-9 do not use it, nor do any >Sankyo-mech decks, such as CR-7, DR-1, etc. Stephen, And what about drive belt for second capstan, say, in ZX-9 or CR-7. They are direct drive decks but for leading capstan only. Am I mistaken or is it some other part? Thank you in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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References: <000e01c1f65f$49c29720$b6ec883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008301c1f689$47543d20$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Two complete parts only decks! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:09 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > Any recommendations as to what essential spares ought to be put aside for a > ZX-9 and a RX505? And ..... ooops! .... I nearly asked from where I ought > to buy them !!!! ;o) (Tease!!) > > Grinham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ed Noyes > Sent: 08 May 2002 03:38 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > > > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast majority of > the classic > two capstan decks had become unavailable and that there was some question as > to > whether they would ever be re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at > Nakamichi > parts now has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers > that this is > essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is gone, it's gone for > good! > This is not to be taken lightly as both Stephen Sank and Jeff Galin have not > been able > to find ANY third party belt that will provide acceptable performance with > these > transports! While I'm at it, I think that Jeff should be given a tremendous > amount of > credit as Patty in parts made it very clear that he spent quite a bit of > time working > directly with Nakamichi and was instrumental in getting the company to agree > to do > this last run. Without his services, our beloved decks might have become > nothing more > than conversation pieces far too soon! If you're thinking of keeping your > deck(s) for > any length of time, I would strongly suggest ordering some spare belts, and > any other > parts you may need in the future. I also would suggest that you do this > soon. > > Ed > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed May 8 14:38:04 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:38:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) In-Reply-To: <00bf01c1f660$1b6e6ec0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CD8E3EC.26917.30C8F62@localhost> > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > LX-3, LX-5 > Please don't ask me > to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for > decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Is there anything else I should order for my LX-5 while I'm ordering a couple of belts? Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 8 15:44:56 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:44:56 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <008301c1f689$47543d20$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3CD92BD8.000001.00560@CopyTech> Thanks for your efforts, Jeff> Calos , I think that Jeff should be given a tremendous > amount of > credit as Patty in parts made it very clear that he spent quite a bit of > time working > directly with Nakamichi and was instrumental in getting the company to agree > to do > this last run. Without his services, our beloved decks might have become > nothing more > than conversation pieces far too soon! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 8 15:59:21 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:59:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed May 8 15:24:00 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:24:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> Interesting idea! ...but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Wed May 8 15:46:32 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:46:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <007a01c1f696$c43ace00$4fc36bd8@m5e0c7> Count me in , Damon Sunapee NH ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? 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Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 8 16:37:17 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:37:17 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CD9381D.000001.00560@CopyTech> Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed May 8 15:53:03 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:53:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> <3CD9381D.000001.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00b201c1f697$ad5afb00$94021fac@brianm> LOL - I am "deckless"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 15:53:57 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:53:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> <3CD9381D.000001.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00f301c1f697$ccd88100$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> WOW! count me in. Thank you. John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 16:10:36 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:10:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> <3CD9381D.000001.00560@CopyTech> <00b201c1f697$ad5afb00$94021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <013601c1f69a$2069ddd0$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Time to get off that 1st. dollar you earned and get a Nak. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape LOL - I am "deckless"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pasec at relex.ru Wed May 8 16:25:06 2002 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:25:06 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <0fc701c1f69c$26769040$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Very interesting :-) Count me in. Pavel. ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Time to get off that 1st. dollar you earned and get a Nak. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape LOL - I am "deckless"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nealw at decillion.net Wed May 8 16:05:27 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:05:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C18F@CPT-01> i'm interested address Neal Walker 9 Montrose Ave Oranjezicht Cape Town 8001 South Africa -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: 08 May 2002 15:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Salim SM - Indonesia ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 16:56:24 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:56:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Very much off topic! Message-ID: <018701c1f6a0$8688b130$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Anybody here use iMac machines? http://www.raytracer25.btinternet.co.uk/iToilet/itoilet.html John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 8 17:10:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:10:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever Message-ID: <006301c1f6a2$87c5b320$85299bca@smarzuki> Dear Bang & Olufsen lovers, <<>> Check this one out: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350284591 Now if somebody could please tell me the MCM part number of 35.1 inch belt for beogram 4002 ... (for metric-centric people it's 89.2 cm). (your email will be kept confidential :-) Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 17:07:56 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:07:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> <3CD9381D.000001.00560@CopyTech> <00b201c1f697$ad5afb00$94021fac@brianm> <013601c1f69a$2069ddd0$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> <00f501c1f69c$d3448a20$94021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <01a901c1f6a2$22f41180$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Try a Nak. belt ;-) Isn't this where we came in... John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape LOL - Actually sold the Naks for other audio euipment. If I was to have a deck again, I would probably look into getting my old Akai GX-9 going again, I believe it's just a belt. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Time to get off that 1st. dollar you earned and get a Nak. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape LOL - I am "deckless"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 8 17:16:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:16:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <264B6E5F.22A2C25D.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <01a601c1f6a3$549900a0$3b3442cf@sank1> The flywheel belt for the ZX-9 is OC08334A, and for the CR-7A, OC80634A. But these belts don't need to be as critically "on spec" as the OC08096C, so you won't have tape skewing/chewing problems or high w/f if you find a pretty close generic sub. Incidentally, the OC08334A ZX-9 belt is a perfect match for the flywheel coupling belt of the Tandberg 3014/3014A. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:04 AM Subject: RE: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > "Stephen Sank" wrote: > > >I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any. Dragon & ZX-9 do not use it, nor do any > >Sankyo-mech decks, such as CR-7, DR-1, etc. > > Stephen, > > And what about drive belt for second capstan, say, in ZX-9 or CR-7. They are direct drive decks but for leading capstan only. Am I mistaken or is it some other part? > > Thank you in advance. > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 8 17:21:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:21:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) References: <3CD8E3EC.26917.30C8F62@localhost> Message-ID: <01ac01c1f6a4$10def080$3b3442cf@sank1> The other belts in the dual capstan Nak transports(that use the cap belt in question) are non-critical, spec-wise, and can be replaced with easily sourced generic substitutes. The parts one might consider ordering & keeping sealed up for the future would be the pinch rollers, OC08164A, and the reel drive idler arm, CA08193A. Again, please don't ask me to be a parts source. I just don't have the time or monetary resources to serve that function. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:38 AM Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > > > > > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > > LX-3, LX-5 > > Please don't ask me > > to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for > > decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Is there anything else I should order for my LX-5 while I'm ordering a couple of > belts? > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed May 8 17:22:14 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:22:14 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> <006201c1f6a1$f0afb8a0$85299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000601c1f6a4$220d4910$3db5b742@pii366custom> Can I be 18th on the list? (Smile) Count me in. Roland Vancouver, Canada ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 17:25:21 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:25:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> <006201c1f6a1$f0afb8a0$85299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01c001c1f6a4$91772aa0$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> I'm sure we will all want a copy when its done. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > Excellent idea ! To save postal costs, I think we'd have to go through > continents in order, probably US guys get their turn first, Europe (and UK > =), Zuid Africaans, Asia, Australia and back to mister Magnifico. Which, by > the time which tape's back to Carlos, he'd also probably deckless and make > CDR copies .... just kidding !!! > > Of course i'm in. > > Cheers, > Salim SM - Indonesia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a > C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to > a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a > tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another > member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return > it to me in Puerto Rico. > > Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion > the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 > minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... > IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 17:30:21 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:30:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever References: <006301c1f6a2$87c5b320$85299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01c601c1f6a5$443b7ab0$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> I think I'll bid then weld a Decca MC on that alum. arm. Kidding, just kidding. Nak. spoken here. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever > > Dear Bang & Olufsen lovers, <<>> > > Check this one out: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350284591 > > Now if somebody could please tell me the MCM part number of 35.1 inch belt > for beogram 4002 ... (for metric-centric people it's 89.2 cm). (your email > will be kept confidential :-) > > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 8 17:34:22 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:34:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Very much off topic! References: <018701c1f6a0$8688b130$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <012e01c1f6a5$d40f6520$94021fac@brianm> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't know how bad I wanna send it to my B-I-L, but the fued ain't worth it! (I'll keep it for defense though.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Very much off topic! Anybody here use iMac machines? http://www.raytracer25.btinternet.co.uk/iToilet/itoilet.html John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 8 17:40:27 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:40:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever References: <006301c1f6a2$87c5b320$85299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01c401c1f6a6$af061520$3b3442cf@sank1> Salim, I worry about you sometimes! The 4002 is, IMO, no surprise, a horrible piece of crap. Frightfully bad linear track system, horrible tonearm, especially with that clunky cartridge mount adaptation(which likes to fall apart, btw), and I sure as heck wouldn't want my LPs sitting on those nasty plastic ridges. But anyway... MCM does not have the 35.1 belt. But Consolidated Electronics, www.ceitron.com, does have it listed, stock # SC35.1, @$2.15 each. They also have square-cut belts tiny enough to replace that blasted little tonearm drive belt. God knows why anyone would want to keep one of these tables running. Maybe just for the challenge against overwhelming odds? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever > > Dear Bang & Olufsen lovers, <<>> > > Check this one out: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350284591 > > Now if somebody could please tell me the MCM part number of 35.1 inch belt > for beogram 4002 ... (for metric-centric people it's 89.2 cm). (your email > will be kept confidential :-) > > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 8 17:43:33 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:43:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <3CD86E83.21273.141D83F@localhost> <3CD8A976.71216BBC@snet.net> <3CD8BC53.A8814290@pacbell.net> <00bf01c1f660$1b6e6ec0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CD947A5.1677FBCC@concentric.net> Stephen, In your experience, would it make sense to stock on the CR-7 belt (or maybe even a complete capstan motor)? What else would make sense? TIA, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > 480 thru 482Z > 580 thru 582Z > 660ZX thru 682ZX, including non-ZX models > LX-3, LX-5 > ZX-7 > 700ZXE, 700ZXL > 1000ZXL > RX-303, RX-505(not RX-202) > > I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any. Dragon & ZX-9 do not use it, nor do any > Sankyo-mech decks, such as CR-7, DR-1, etc. > Please don't ask me to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate > needing for decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy > for. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joel hall" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > > > Ed Noyes: > > > > What about the RX505 or the CR7A insofar as the need to stock up on these > belts? > > > > Thanks > > > > jrh > > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > I can say for a fact that this would be the 480, 580, LX series for > sure, and would > > > also quite possibly include 670, 680, 700ZXE/L, Dragon... > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast > > > > > majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and > > > > > that there was some question as to whether they would ever be > > > > > re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now > > > > > has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that > > > > > this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is > gone, > > > > > it's gone for good! > > > > > > > > So, which NAK models would require these belts? > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 17:48:49 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:48:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> <006201c1f6a1$f0afb8a0$85299bca@smarzuki> <000601c1f6a4$220d4910$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <01e601c1f6a7$d91d1e20$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Hey! get in line soldier! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > Can I be 18th on the list? (Smile) > > Count me in. > > Roland > Vancouver, Canada > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 8 17:52:24 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:52:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C18F@CPT-01> Message-ID: <3CD949B8.FC0F441E@concentric.net> What a fun idea... Please count me in. -- Ron > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: 08 May 2002 15:59 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > Importance: High > > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > As a last tribute to the long life media , > the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome > tape with a song recorded in it on the deck > of my preference to a fellow member of this > list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, > record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved > Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member > and so on. When we finish recording it, the > last person will return it to me in Puerto > Rico. > > Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A > register sheet must companion the tape > everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the > tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that > selection must be trimmed down with a fade > out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 > minutes long, PLEASE ! > > Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by > the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY > OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! > > Any time the tape arrived at your house, you > un-packed it and follow the instructions > inside. After filing the form and record the > tune, re-packed and send it to the other > member waiting and so on. > > We'll follow the route by this media: e > mails. > > Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the > tape after me. Who's next ? > > Best, > > Carlos aka The Tape Man > > Copies could be made later ... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <1a1.1ed684b.2a0aa6d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <001c01c1f6ad$32e4e000$1eab87d9@JAS> Just drop Werner a line explaining that you have lost your sight / lost your mind / lost your love of life (delete as applicable) and he will strike you off the list. Alternatively: > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of ChefBum at aol.com Sent: 08 May 2002 17:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] how do I... Please excuse me all, but could somebody please tell me how I would take myself off the naktalks e-mailing list? TIA, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Wed May 8 18:36:08 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 09:36:08 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] how do I... References: <1a1.1ed684b.2a0aa6d0@aol.com> Message-ID: <003b01c1f6ae$74ae58d0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Please don't leave! But if you must: To unsubscribe type the following line in the message body: unsubscribe naktalk your_email_address Send to this address: majordomo at naks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Wed May 8 18:42:23 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:42:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] how do I... In-Reply-To: <001c01c1f6ad$32e4e000$1eab87d9@JAS> Message-ID: <002301c1f6af$57b31b70$1eab87d9@JAS> EEKK.! I mean WOUTER.! Wrong Dutchman? Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 08 May 2002 17:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] how do I... Just drop Werner a line explaining that you have lost your sight / lost your mind / lost your love of life (delete as applicable) and he will strike you off the list. Alternatively: > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html cheers Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of ChefBum at aol.com Sent: 08 May 2002 17:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] how do I... Please excuse me all, but could somebody please tell me how I would take myself off the naktalks e-mailing list? TIA, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ChefBum at aol.com Wed May 8 18:53:38 2002 From: ChefBum at aol.com (ChefBum at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:53:38 EDT Subject: [naktalk] how do I... Message-ID: <197.69cd563.2a0ab212@aol.com> In a message dated 5/8/2002 9:44:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, doctordeaf at nakedresource.com writes: > > EEKK…! > > I mean WOUTER…! > > Wrong Dutchman? > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of > doctordeaf > Sent: 08 May 2002 17:27 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] how do I... > > Just drop Werner a line explaining that you have lost your sight / lost > your mind / lost your love of life (delete as applicable) and he will > strike you off the list. > Alternatively: > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > cheers > Jim > > > > Cheers, Jim! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 8 19:24:20 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:24:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever References: <006301c1f6a2$87c5b320$85299bca@smarzuki> <01c401c1f6a6$af061520$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <009a01c1f6b5$31066260$85299bca@smarzuki> It's er ... um ... ah .. for a friend of mine. Next challenge would be to implement auto centering platter for 4002, oh, thanks for the attention to my state of mind ... and for the ceitron link (need to stock up real good) (just kidding !!!) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ot: best beogram ... ever Salim, I worry about you sometimes! The 4002 is, IMO, no surprise, a horrible piece of crap. Frightfully bad linear track system, horrible tonearm, especially with that clunky cartridge mount adaptation(which likes to fall apart, btw), and I sure as heck wouldn't want my LPs sitting on those nasty plastic ridges. But anyway... MCM does not have the 35.1 belt. But Consolidated Electronics, www.ceitron.com, does have it listed, stock # SC35.1, @$2.15 each. They also have square-cut belts tiny enough to replace that blasted little tonearm drive belt. God knows why anyone would want to keep one of these tables running. Maybe just for the challenge against overwhelming odds? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Wed May 8 19:20:08 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:20:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3CD95E48.6D010BF6@snip.net> Carlos, you can include me. John M. Smokevitch El Magnifico wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:windowsTEMPnsmail3H.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:windowsTEMPnsmailKN.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smoke at snip.net Wed May 8 19:41:02 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:41:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3CD9632E.248A2C7E@snip.net> Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: > Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:windowsTEMPnsmail51.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:windowsTEMPnsmailJS.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rob755 at cwnet.com Wed May 8 20:08:17 2002 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:08:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <009601c1f6bb$58112380$3e398ed1@D74G7711> I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 8 19:37:37 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:37:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <01C1F6C5.262A9680.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Flip it over here, and I shall listen to what's there, then put something really good onto the remaining space, using analogue, valves, and my Nak 700 Mk II. Just ask for the address when you are ready... John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 08 May, 2002 14:59 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High << File: ATT00016.htm >> << File: ATT00017.gif >> << File: ATT00018.jpg >> Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Wed May 8 20:20:41 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:20:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] 3-headed Nak Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE059@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hi NT'rs, Am searching for a 3-head Nak for use as my primary analog recorder. Sort of on a budget so am targeting the following models... LX5, 582z, 582, 482z. Would like to find one in good working order. Recent serv/refurb a plus. Prefer to avoid uncertainty of an Ebay purchase for something such as this (too much room for disappointment). Thought this a good forum for such an inquiry. Hope that the Nak belt 'crisis' isnt the beginning of the end of this medium as one of high-end quality. Much thanx. respectfully, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 8 20:39:14 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:39:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CD92F39.000006.00560@CopyTech> Message-ID: <007201c1f6bf$a6f8e380$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> Count me in! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 May 2002 02:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Before putting it on eBay, I'll offer it to you or to any NakTalker who's interested--First to respond gets it. Say $350 and I'll include shipping. Best regards. John "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > hi NT'rs, > > Am searching for a 3-head Nak for use as my primary analog > recorder. Sort of on a budget so am targeting the following > models... LX5, 582z, 582, 482z. > Would like to find one in good working order. Recent serv/refurb a > plus. Prefer to avoid uncertainty of an Ebay purchase for something > such as this (too much room for disappointment). Thought this a > good forum for such an inquiry. Hope that the Nak belt 'crisis' isnt > the beginning of the end of this medium as one of high-end quality. > Much thanx. > > respectfully, > andy > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed May 8 21:27:01 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:27:01 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <006101c1f693$9e35dcc0$94021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Hi Carlos, I would love to take a part of it but unfortunately our stupid custom didn't allow us to send any audio-video or computer data over the post :-(((( Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Wed May 8 21:48:07 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:48:07 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <0fc701c1f69c$26769040$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Message-ID: Great, If it's possible that Pavel will be next to me than I'll bring the tape to him personaly. My frequent travels to Moskow will allow me to do so. So count me in!!! Misha >Very interesting :-) >Count me in. > >Pavel. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed May 8 21:04:00 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (khmerideth at anderson.edu) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:04:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <200205082004.WAA00609@zebra.naks.com> Carlos, This reminds me of the "Round-Robins" we sent around in the Indiana Recording Club (IRC), which was an international club for sharing different types of recordings on reel-to-reel and cassette tapes. Count me in as one of the contributors on this motley audio extravaganza. Kent Merideth Anderson University 1100 E. 5th Street Anderson, IN 46012-3495 U.S.A. >>> copytec at coqui.net 05/08/02 08:59AM >>> Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 21:04:56 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:04:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <007201c1f6bf$a6f8e380$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <02e801c1f6c3$3eeadec0$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Sorry, no limey's! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Count me in! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 May 2002 02:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00013.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00016.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 8 21:54:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:54:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <009601c1f6bb$58112380$3e398ed1@D74G7711> Message-ID: <009c01c1f6ca$2fad5580$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00131.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 8 21:55:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:55:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <009601c1f6bb$58112380$3e398ed1@D74G7711> Message-ID: <000001c1f6ca$49ff9d80$659e87d9@a4s1s2> Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00131.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 8 21:58:23 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:58:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <02e801c1f6c3$3eeadec0$4d756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000801c1f6ca$b5efc1a0$659e87d9@a4s1s2> Pah! No gratitude from these colonialists! Just remember we let you win the War of Independence! Had t'make ya fight for it or you'd have took it for granted .... {;o[) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 08 May 2002 08:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Sorry, no limey's! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Count me in! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 08 May 2002 02:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ouch! --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 8 22:12:07 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:12:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <009c01c1f6ca$2fad5580$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <01d501c1f6cc$a20914f0$94021fac@brianm> I would think that each user would want to make his/her best recording possible, so I can't imagine anyone not using their best recording deck. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00131.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Wed May 8 22:35:34 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 16:35:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <009c01c1f6ca$2fad5580$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CD98C16.CA65CC53@concentric.net> Those of us that are not collectors have to do with one deck only. I grappled with this for some time, weighing the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. I never regretted this decision. Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did find one), too old. -- Ron ------------------------------------ Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 8 22:50:09 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:50:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Message-ID: <01C1F6DB.4A15D4E0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Now this is a good debate, and it keeps Ron away from cables ;-). What about the ZX-9? Are the older decks (700 or 1000) becoming unmaintainable? What about that snazzy auto-reverse on the RX-505? How does that compare with 1000ZXL/ZX-9/Dragon/CR-7? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, 08 May, 2002 21:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Those of us that are not collectors have to do with one deck only. I grappled with this for some time, weighing the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. I never regretted this decision. Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did find one), too old. -- Ron ------------------------------------ Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Wed May 8 23:13:00 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:13:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <01d501c1f6cc$a20914f0$94021fac@brianm> References: <009c01c1f6ca$2fad5580$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508170924.01fb8580@mail.verizon.net> I can imagine how azimuth alignment will be all over the map. Suggestion: Before the tape(s) go out, record 10 seconds of pink noise at -10 db in perfect azimuth alignment at the head of each tape. This will be a useful reference to keep recordings in proper alignment. ________________ Marc Stager At 5/8/02, you wrote: >I would think that each user would want to make his/her best recording >possible, >so I can't imagine anyone not using their best recording deck. > >Brian Miller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed May 8 23:18:10 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:18:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <01C1F6DB.4A15D4E0.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000101c1f6d5$dc234350$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I currently use a 700ZXL for recording and a Dragon for playback-both decks Sanktified w/ great results. Always fun to explain to house guests why one has two cassette decks. Well duh, u tell them. That's only used for recording.....blah, blah, blah... John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:50 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Now this is a good debate, and it keeps Ron away from cables ;-). What about the ZX-9? Are the older decks (700 or 1000) becoming unmaintainable? What about that snazzy auto-reverse on the RX-505? How does that compare with 1000ZXL/ZX-9/Dragon/CR-7? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Wednesday, 08 May, 2002 21:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Those of us that are not collectors have to do with one deck only. I grappled with this for some time, weighing the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. I never regretted this decision. Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did find one), too old. -- Ron ------------------------------------ Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Wed May 8 23:36:19 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:36:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <009c01c1f6ca$2fad5580$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> <5.1.0.14.2.20020508170924.01fb8580@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3CD99A53.E98B89A6@concentric.net> Excellent suggestion, except that I have no idea where I can obtain pink noise. My pre-pro is dead quiet between stations; what's more, it refuses to route the speaker level adjustment noise (I am not sure whether pink or white) to the tape output. I'll think of something by the time I get the cassette. -- Ron Marc Stager wrote: > > I can imagine how azimuth alignment will be all over the > map. > > Suggestion: Before the tape(s) go out, record 10 seconds > of pink noise > at -10 db in perfect azimuth alignment at the head of each > tape. > This will be a useful reference to keep recordings in > proper alignment. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > At 5/8/02, you wrote: > > > I would think that each user would want to make his/her > > best recording possible, > > so I can't imagine anyone not using their best recording > > deck. > > > > Brian Miller ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 8 23:50:36 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:50:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <000101c1f6d5$dc234350$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <004901c1f6da$6f5cf130$5d756acf@johnrotten> John (b j grady) I have a 700 ZXL with Stephen right now, haven't even seen it yet. I need a new lens, the clear cover that goes over the VU meters, any idea who might have one? John, another one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > I currently use a 700ZXL for recording and a Dragon for playback-both decks > Sanktified w/ great results. > > Always fun to explain to house guests why one has two cassette decks. Well > duh, u tell them. That's only used for recording.....blah, blah, blah... > > John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:50 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > Now this is a good debate, and it keeps Ron away from cables ;-). > What about the ZX-9? Are the older decks (700 or 1000) becoming > unmaintainable? What about that snazzy auto-reverse on the RX-505? How does > that compare with 1000ZXL/ZX-9/Dragon/CR-7? > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 08 May, 2002 21:36 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > Those of us that are not collectors have to do with one > deck only. I grappled with this for some time, weighing > the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before > finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon > is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, > that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super > automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that > the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. > I never regretted this decision. > > Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too > difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did > find one), too old. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------------ > > Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously > debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took > an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we > put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked > them by > > a) recording performance > b) playback performance > > ?? > > I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the > list for playback, but not necessarily for recording > performance, where it might be bettered by the > CD7? Any thoughts on this? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton > Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > I would like to get in line! Great idea! > Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All > Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, > Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed May 8 23:56:45 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:56:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <004901c1f6da$6f5cf130$5d756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000301c1f6db$3eed14c0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Hey John. Sorry, can't help u on that one. That looks like it will be a pretty hard task though. Good luck. John from California. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... John (b j grady) I have a 700 ZXL with Stephen right now, haven't even seen it yet. I need a new lens, the clear cover that goes over the VU meters, any idea who might have one? John, another one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > I currently use a 700ZXL for recording and a Dragon for playback-both decks > Sanktified w/ great results. > > Always fun to explain to house guests why one has two cassette decks. Well > duh, u tell them. That's only used for recording.....blah, blah, blah... > > John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:50 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > Now this is a good debate, and it keeps Ron away from cables ;-). > What about the ZX-9? Are the older decks (700 or 1000) becoming > unmaintainable? What about that snazzy auto-reverse on the RX-505? How does > that compare with 1000ZXL/ZX-9/Dragon/CR-7? > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > Sent: Wednesday, 08 May, 2002 21:36 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > Those of us that are not collectors have to do with one > deck only. I grappled with this for some time, weighing > the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before > finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon > is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, > that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super > automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that > the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. > I never regretted this decision. > > Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too > difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did > find one), too old. > > -- Ron > > > ------------------------------------ > > Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously > debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took > an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we > put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked > them by > > a) recording performance > b) playback performance > > ?? > > I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the > list for playback, but not necessarily for recording > performance, where it might be bettered by the > CD7? Any thoughts on this? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton > Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > I would like to get in line! Great idea! > Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All > Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, > Rob Hamilton P.O. 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I thought you would give me yours! ;-) John T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:56 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > Hey John. > > Sorry, can't help u on that one. That looks like it will be a pretty hard > task though. Good luck. > > John from California. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > John (b j grady) > > I have a 700 ZXL with Stephen right now, haven't even seen it yet. I need a > new lens, the clear cover that goes over the VU meters, any idea who might > have one? > > John, another one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:18 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > > I currently use a 700ZXL for recording and a Dragon for playback-both > decks > > Sanktified w/ great results. > > > > Always fun to explain to house guests why one has two cassette decks. Well > > duh, u tell them. That's only used for recording.....blah, blah, blah... > > > > John. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John Walker > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:50 PM > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > > > > Now this is a good debate, and it keeps Ron away from cables ;-). > > What about the ZX-9? Are the older decks (700 or 1000) becoming > > unmaintainable? What about that snazzy auto-reverse on the RX-505? How > does > > that compare with 1000ZXL/ZX-9/Dragon/CR-7? > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 08 May, 2002 21:36 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > > > > Those of us that are not collectors have to do with one > > deck only. I grappled with this for some time, weighing > > the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before > > finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon > > is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, > > that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super > > automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that > > the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. > > I never regretted this decision. > > > > Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too > > difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did > > find one), too old. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously > > debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took > > an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we > > put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked > > them by > > > > a) recording performance > > b) playback performance > > > > ?? > > > > I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the > > list for playback, but not necessarily for recording > > performance, where it might be bettered by the > > CD7? Any thoughts on this? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton > > Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > > > I would like to get in line! Great idea! > > Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All > > Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, > > Rob Hamilton P.O. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 9 00:26:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:26:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL cover that goes over the VU meters In-Reply-To: <000301c1f6db$3eed14c0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <000601c1f6df$6636eca0$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> John Did you try Transtec @ Brugwachter 19 3034 KD Rotterdam Netherlands Tel: (0)10 - 4147055 Fax; (0)10 - 4113580 E-mail: transtec at transtec.nl Website: www.transtec.nl Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Sent: 08 May 2002 10:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Hey John. Sorry, can't help u on that one. That looks like it will be a pretty hard task though. Good luck. John from California. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... John (b j grady) I have a 700 ZXL with Stephen right now, haven't even seen it yet. I need a new lens, the clear cover that goes over the VU meters, any idea who might have one? John, another one. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > I currently use a 700ZXL for recording and a Dragon for playback-both decks > Sanktified w/ great results. > > Always fun to explain to house guests why one has two cassette decks. Well > duh, u tell them. That's only used for recording.....blah, blah, blah... > > John. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu May 9 01:13:36 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:13:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL cover that goes over the VU meters References: <000601c1f6df$6636eca0$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00b701c1f6e5$fb72e840$5d756acf@johnrotten> Ill try them Graham, thank you. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700 ZXL cover that goes over the VU meters > John > > Did you try Transtec @ > > Brugwachter 19 > 3034 KD Rotterdam > Netherlands > > Tel: (0)10 - 4147055 > Fax; (0)10 - 4113580 > E-mail: transtec at transtec.nl > Website: www.transtec.nl > > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John > Sent: 08 May 2002 10:57 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > Hey John. > > Sorry, can't help u on that one. That looks like it will be a pretty hard > task though. Good luck. > > John from California. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 2:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > John (b j grady) > > I have a 700 ZXL with Stephen right now, haven't even seen it yet. I need a > new lens, the clear cover that goes over the VU meters, any idea who might > have one? > > John, another one. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 5:18 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > > I currently use a 700ZXL for recording and a Dragon for playback-both > decks > > Sanktified w/ great results. > > > > Always fun to explain to house guests why one has two cassette decks. Well > > duh, u tell them. That's only used for recording.....blah, blah, blah... > > > > John. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu May 9 02:03:26 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:03:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... In-Reply-To: <000001c1f6ca$49ff9d80$659e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, May 08, 2002 2:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00131.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Marc at Stager.com Thu May 9 02:40:28 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:40:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <3CD99A53.E98B89A6@concentric.net> References: <009c01c1f6ca$2fad5580$1dcc87d9@a4s1s2> <5.1.0.14.2.20020508170924.01fb8580@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508203903.02001a10@mail.verizon.net> At 5/8/02, you wrote: >Excellent suggestion, except that I have no idea where >I can obtain pink noise. My pre-pro is dead quiet between >stations; what's more, it refuses to route the speaker >level adjustment noise (I am not sure whether pink or >white) to the tape output. I'll think of something by >the time I get the cassette. > >-- Ron FM noise, way at the (either) end of the dial, muting off, mono, works well enough ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu May 9 02:37:25 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:37:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A87@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey guy's I'd like to ask a question here. The seller writes on the auction... "The TC-KA5ES has an extremely low noise floor with an unheard of S/N ratio of 80dB. Compare that to the Nakamichi Dragon, which does not even come close with its Type IV metal tape, Dolby C, 72dB S/N best." Is he/she comparing S/N ratio on both decks using Dolby C? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Monday, 6 May 2002 10:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? This is a pretty good deck. I would compare it to TEAC V8030S or Pioneer CT-95 - the only advantage over a Dragon it might have is that it is brand new, i.e., these are still in production. However, this is too much to pay for a SONY ES. In my opinion any used 3 head NAK deck in decent condition would be a much better deal (even if you get any of these used units and will need to spend some money in NM, will leave you with a lot left for music ...) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Sun, May 05, 2002 2:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? Any e-pinions? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If we restrict it to one cassette and allow for each person taking a week to dub and then postal times we won't see it finished until Christmas or beyond! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, May 08, 2002 2:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00131.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 9 02:55:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:55:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A87@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <027601c1f6f4$2dc01260$3b3442cf@sank1> The 80dB figure is clearly with Dolby S & is certainly not "unheard of". Any old DBX cassette deck can do better than 90dB. The real telling figure is the no noise reduction S/N spec. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > Hey guy's I'd like to ask a question here. The seller writes on the auction... > > "The TC-KA5ES has an extremely low noise floor with an unheard of S/N ratio of 80dB. Compare that to the Nakamichi Dragon, which does not even come close with its Type IV metal tape, Dolby C, 72dB S/N best." > > Is he/she comparing S/N ratio on both decks using Dolby C? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, 6 May 2002 10:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > > > This is a pretty good deck. I would compare it to TEAC V8030S or Pioneer > CT-95 - the only advantage over a Dragon it might have is that it is brand > new, i.e., these are still in production. > > However, this is too much to pay for a SONY ES. In my opinion any used 3 > head NAK deck in decent condition would be a much better deal (even if you > get any of these used units and will need to spend some money in NM, will > leave you with a lot left for music ...) > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Sun, May 05, 2002 2:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > > > Any e-pinions? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu May 9 03:14:05 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:14:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Very much off topic! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A8B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> What an absolute killer! Good one John. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2002 12:56 To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Very much off topic! Anybody here use iMac machines? http://www.raytracer25.btinternet.co.uk/iToilet/itoilet.html John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu May 9 03:18:43 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:18:43 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A8C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's what I thought, thanks Stephen. BTW I too had a bit of a chuckle! -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2002 10:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? The 80dB figure is clearly with Dolby S & is certainly not "unheard of". Any old DBX cassette deck can do better than 90dB. The real telling figure is the no noise reduction S/N spec. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > Hey guy's I'd like to ask a question here. The seller writes on the auction... > > "The TC-KA5ES has an extremely low noise floor with an unheard of S/N ratio of 80dB. Compare that to the Nakamichi Dragon, which does not even come close with its Type IV metal tape, Dolby C, 72dB S/N best." > > Is he/she comparing S/N ratio on both decks using Dolby C? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > Sent: Monday, 6 May 2002 10:16 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > > > This is a pretty good deck. I would compare it to TEAC V8030S or Pioneer > CT-95 - the only advantage over a Dragon it might have is that it is brand > new, i.e., these are still in production. > > However, this is too much to pay for a SONY ES. In my opinion any used 3 > head NAK deck in decent condition would be a much better deal (even if you > get any of these used units and will need to spend some money in NM, will > leave you with a lot left for music ...) > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Sun, May 05, 2002 2:47 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? > > > Any e-pinions? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1350917744 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu May 9 05:40:47 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:40:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2223 (Marathon Tape) Message-ID: Carlos! What a sweet idea!!! Reminds me of the good old days back in 1999 when we tried to get the NakTree thing going. I'm with you, send the cassette my way soon. K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:25:16 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, May 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2223 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:59:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "El Magnifico" Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc. In other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE try to keep the audio levels established by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's Any time the tape arrived at your house, you unpacked it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, repacked and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2223 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu May 9 06:02:39 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:02:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <030E7FE7.6C47DC7C.026D48C1@netscape.net> Great idea! I'm in. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu May 9 06:29:26 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:29:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! Message-ID: <339BBB05.0FB8890B.026D48C1@netscape.net> Stephen, Thank you very much for the clarification on the belts in CR-7 and ZX-9. Do you recommend anything else to be ordered (besides heads, pinch rollers and belts) for any of these decks? Thank you in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 9 08:03:03 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:03:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 3-headed Nak References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE059@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <02ba01c1f71f$34996700$3b3442cf@sank1> I have a few nice old 3-head Naks available, e.g., 680ZX, 660ZX, 482, maybe others. Are you in 120V or 220V territory, ac power-wise? Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dundis, Andy" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: [naktalk] 3-headed Nak > hi NT'rs, > > Am searching for a 3-head Nak for use as my primary analog > recorder. Sort of on a budget so am targeting the following > models... LX5, 582z, 582, 482z. > Would like to find one in good working order. Recent serv/refurb a > plus. Prefer to avoid uncertainty of an Ebay purchase for something > such as this (too much room for disappointment). Thought this a > good forum for such an inquiry. Hope that the Nak belt 'crisis' isnt > the beginning of the end of this medium as one of high-end quality. > Much thanx. > > respectfully, > andy > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Thu May 9 09:18:20 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 03:18:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? Message-ID: <0E908A74.38A6954E.026D48C1@netscape.net> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: >    "The TC-KA5ES has an extremely low noise floor with an unheard of S/N ratio of 80dB. Compare that to the Nakamichi Dragon, which does not even come close with its Type IV metal tape, Dolby C, 72dB S/N best." > >    Is he/she comparing S/N ratio on both decks using Dolby C? According to specs Sony TC-KA5ES has S/N ratio of 61 dB without NR on Metal tape at peak level (sic!). So 80dB figure looks much more like Dolby S spec than Dolby C. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 9 09:58:04 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 14:58:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... References: <001401c1f6f2$baa10d80$51756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001301c1f72f$405f5e40$b7299bca@smarzuki> John, 3 tapes would cut the time short, but the idea of a single tape went around the globe is cool (let's just hope it will come back to Carlos alive, not ending up in russian or indonesian customs =). At say, 4-5 mins each there'll be 20 naksters @ 7-10 days ... yes, it'll be a perfect Christmas present. Any tape-any song-any deck should do ... (hopefully with no residual pink noise between songs) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... Good question. I wonder if we need maybe three tapes. A US, Europe and Asian editions. Then perhaps all three could be duplicated at Carlos's duplicating plant. If we restrict it to one cassette and allow for each person taking a week to dub and then postal times we won't see it finished until Christmas or beyond! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? Stan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 9 10:14:18 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:14:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape Message-ID: Great idea, if there's space still....please include me. Will probably use 682ZX. Deepest, darkest 220v Africa.......... Marc Hugo P.O. Box 13353 Noordstad, Free State 9302 SOUTH AFRICA ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu May 9 11:37:33 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:37:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <200205090146.DAA02487@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I'd love to be part of this Marathon Tape ... if it's not a metal one ... 700TT you know :-) Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 9 11:53:29 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:53:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If ever you were in doubt.... Message-ID: Hi to all on naktalk, The host of the "high-end-audio-video" group, Roy Davis has somehow got his hands on a Nakamichi Dragon. Roy really knows his way around the analogue world and in particular turntables. He has been quite polite iro the virtues of this stupendous deck in deference to the many Sondek and other users on the group. Stephen Sank has often stated his enthusiasm for this infinitely tuneable record deck, and Roy, who didn't know it from a bar of soap, has been swiftly won over, as you will see by the "evolution" of thinking that appears in his posts. He is now comparing it with (as you will see at the end - todays posts) a Micro Seiki 5000 and Goldmund Reference. Enjoy..... Marc +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi all I have just acquired a very interesting record player, a Nakamichi DRAGON. Yes, it is a record player not a tape deck. It is a real heavyweight and you can control just about every parameter electronically. You can even adjust the spindle for off-centre discs. These Japanese are clever fellows aren't they? I have recently parted company with my Linn LP12 in favour of my recent acquisition, a Micro Seiki BL77 and Dynavector DV505 tonearm, don't tell me I will be changing again so soon? I only got it today so it is not yet hooked up but I am dying to try it out. It is equipped with a very professional-looking Nakamich arem but no cartridge so my Transfiguration Temper Supreme will have to be moved over to it which takes time. Thanks for the advice on the invalid inflatable cushion John, that will contain plenty of air but, ideally, I should have four separate air bladdersso that I can adjust height and level with variable air pressure if necessary. This is one problem with the tubes from the front wheels of wheelchairs, they are skinny little things. I believe some radio controlled model aircraft have inflatable tyres. Only problem is that they get more expensive as they get smaller. regards ROY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Will do. I will not keep both the Microseiki and Nakamichi and will keep you posted. I already have one hungry enthusiast after whichever one I sell. The Nakamichi is certainly a serious looking piece of equipment. But, apart from its sound, the Dynavector arm is so beautiful that I will shed a tear if I decide to sell it. regards ROY -----Original Message----- From: ktigerb To: high_end_audio_video at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: [high_end_audio_video] Re: LATEST MAIL > >Hi Roy >sounds like fun I bet you are dissapointed compared to what you >have/had. >have read some comments obout the dragon main use was broadcast is a >fine TT but over the top for normal use . >when you have finished playing with it let me know the price and I >might releive you of it.--- In high_end_audio_video at y..., "Roy Davis" > wrote: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi all I got the NAK DRAK going this evening but have not fine-tuned it yet. This is one powerful-sounding beast. It is a real heavyweight. The Microseiki is no lightweight but it does not compare with the Nak. It is also very sophisticated with centering for off-centre discs, quartz speed lock (spot on without adjustment), auto cutoff at end of side, cut and return to rest, etc. When I have played some more I will tell you more. regards ROY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi all I am most upset with the NAK DRAK. I am getting just too fond of it. Now I don't think I can part with it. If I decide to sell it I'll have to buy a new box of tissues to honk into. One was sold recently on the net for US$3500. But seriously, once it was properly aligned and setup, the images are rock solid without losing any air, subtlety or transparency. Read and weep with envy. I reckon that, without spending the mandatory $11 000 to $ 15 000 for a second hand Microseiki 5000 or Goldmund Reference you are getting a very strong taste of what they can do. ROY +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 9 11:55:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:55:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508203903.02001a10@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <001501c1f73f$b6428e60$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> There! And I here was me thinking "pink noise" was what you heard at a gay party in San Francisco! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 09 May 2002 01:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... At 5/8/02, you wrote: >Excellent suggestion, except that I have no idea where >I can obtain pink noise. My pre-pro is dead quiet between >stations; what's more, it refuses to route the speaker >level adjustment noise (I am not sure whether pink or >white) to the tape output. I'll think of something by >the time I get the cassette. > >-- Ron FM noise, way at the (either) end of the dial, muting off, mono, works well enough ________________ Marc Stager = --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Thu May 9 10:55:59 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:55:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C193@CPT-01> hey the tape will stop over in two places in africa -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 09 May 2002 10:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Marathon tape Great idea, if there's space still....please include me. Will probably use 682ZX. Deepest, darkest 220v Africa.......... Marc Hugo P.O. 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URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Thu May 9 14:42:30 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:42:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... References: <001401c1f6f2$baa10d80$51756acf@johnrotten> <001301c1f72f$405f5e40$b7299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006a01c1f756$fca367a0$3f756acf@johnnyrotten> It would be great, can you imagine the variety of different music, hopefully no rap! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > John, 3 tapes would cut the time short, but the idea of a single tape went > around the globe is cool (let's just hope it will come back to Carlos alive, > not ending up in russian or indonesian customs =). > > At say, 4-5 mins each there'll be 20 naksters @ 7-10 days ... yes, it'll be > a perfect Christmas present. Any tape-any song-any deck should do ... > (hopefully with no residual pink noise between songs) > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > > Good question. I wonder if we need maybe three tapes. A US, Europe and Asian > editions. Then perhaps all three could be duplicated at Carlos's duplicating > plant. If we restrict it to one cassette and allow for each person taking a > week to dub and then postal times we won't see it finished until Christmas > or beyond! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > > So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? > > Stan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu May 9 14:47:16 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:47:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <001501c1f73f$b6428e60$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008601c1f757$a69e6b60$3f756acf@johnnyrotten> I'm not going to touch that even with my bent English sense of humour! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > There! And I here was me thinking "pink noise" was what you heard at a gay > party in San Francisco! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: 09 May 2002 01:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > > At 5/8/02, you wrote: > > >Excellent suggestion, except that I have no idea where > >I can obtain pink noise. My pre-pro is dead quiet between > >stations; what's more, it refuses to route the speaker > >level adjustment noise (I am not sure whether pink or > >white) to the tape output. I'll think of something by > >the time I get the cassette. > > > >-- Ron > > > FM noise, way at the (either) end of the dial, muting off, > mono, works well enough > > ________________ Marc Stager > > = > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu May 9 15:51:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 08:51:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <01a601c1f6a3$549900a0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CDA7EDC.000007.00424@CopyTech> Yes, it is true. AN identical replacement belt. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 02:22:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! Incidentally, the OC08334A ZX-9 belt is a perfect match for the flywheel coupling belt of the Tandberg 3014/3014A. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To save postal costs, I think we'd have to go through > continents in order, probably US guys get their turn first, Europe (and UK > =), Zuid Africaans, Asia, Australia and back to mister Magnifico. Which, by > the time which tape's back to Carlos, he'd also probably deckless and make > CDR copies .... just kidding !!! > > Of course i'm in. > > Cheers, > Salim SM - Indonesia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:59 PM > Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > > Ladies and Gentlemen: > > As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a > C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to > a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a > tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another > member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return > it to me in Puerto Rico. > > Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion > the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 > minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc .... > IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:59:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape LOL - I am "deckless"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Just use the deck you have now. -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 00:30:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Interesting idea! .but I have no Nak anymore. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Salim SM - Indonesia ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nice idea but for azymuth adj. a 10K tone must be used. I have a commercial one but it would not be traveling. Let's start thinking about the geologistics of these Marathon Tape and keep it as simple as possible. Nice idea, Marc. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 08:06:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... I can imagine how azimuth alignment will be all over the map. Suggestion: Before the tape(s) go out, record 10 seconds of pink noise at -10 db in perfect azimuth alignment at the head of each tape. This will be a useful reference to keep recordings in proper alignment. ________________ Marc Stager At 5/8/02, you wrote: I would think that each user would want to make his/her best recording possible, so I can't imagine anyone not using their best recording deck. Brian Miller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I grappled with this for some time, weighing the pros and cons of the Dragon Vs. the CR-7, before finally settling on a CR-7. I reasoned that the Dragon is a far more complex deck and, considering it's age, that's a drawback. I was not attracted by the super automation or the higher cost and wasn't convinced that the attendant improvement in PB (if any) justified them. I never regretted this decision. Another deck I was considering was the 1000ZXL. Too difficult to find, too damn expensive and (when I did find one), too old. -- Ron ------------------------------------ Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I>wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, May 08, 2002 2:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu May 9 16:06:13 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:06:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... References: <001401c1f6f2$baa10d80$51756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3CDA8255.000019.00424@CopyTech> You are completely right ! Let's start with one edition to see how far it goes. If it is a success, then we expand our horizons ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:05:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... Good question. I wonder if we need maybe three tapes. A US, Europe and Asian editions. Then perhaps all three could be duplicated at Carlos's duplicating plant. If we restrict it to one cassette and allow for each person taking a week to dub and then postal times we won't see it finished until Christmas or beyond! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, May 08, 2002 2:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... Rob raises an interesting question. We have previously debated the pecking order of our beloved Naks, but we took an overall view of their performance. I wonder, would we put the decks in the same order of preference if we ranked them by a) recording performance b) playback performance ?? I'd guess some of us might put the Dragon at the top of the list for playback, but not necessarily for recording performance, where it might be bettered by the CD7? Any thoughts on this? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Rob Hamilton Sent: 08 May 2002 07:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to get in line! Great idea! Hmmmm..which shall I use? Ed's old CR7A?ZX-9?505?(All Sank'ed). Kind Regards to all, Rob Hamilton P.O. Box 4073, Georgetown,Ca. 95634 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm with you, send the cassette my way soon. K.J. Bleus Madison, Wi USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:25:16 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, May 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2223 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 08:59:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "El Magnifico" Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc. In other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE try to keep the audio levels established by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's Any time the tape arrived at your house, you unpacked it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, repacked and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2223 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 1431 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu May 9 16:12:32 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 09:12:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD9632E.248A2C7E@snip.net> Message-ID: <3CDA83D0.00001F.00424@CopyTech> Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 9 15:35:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:35:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <008601c1f757$a69e6b60$3f756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000401c1f75e$738706e0$7286883e@a4s1s2> I should add .... don't go reading anything into the fact that I have a Pink Triangle turntable!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 09 May 2002 01:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... I'm not going to touch that even with my bent English sense of humour! John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 9 15:42:31 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:42:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CD9632E.248A2C7E@snip.net> <3CDA83D0.00001F.00424@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3CDA7CC7.688B68C2@concentric.net> I suggest each of the participants forward their mailing address to Carlos. This will allow him to plan the most efficient routing. I just did mine. Can't wait for that tape to arrive... -- Ron -------Original Message------- Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 9 17:08:10 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 17:08:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Salim: Champagne finish DR-10..... Message-ID: Salim, I think the champagne finish DR-10 is wonderful. I have no idea why they only sell them in the far east. Some north American and British retailers have been selling the standard black ones for reduced prices for a little while - just resolving their inventory surpluses I suppose. Richer sounds in the UK had them for UK sterling 300.00 and the DR-8 for 200.00. I think Stephen pointed out that the DR-8 head is physically different (smaller) than the one used on the DR-3. But the DR-10 is a DR-2. The champagne finish one for that sort of money (UK sterling 300.00) would be worth considering!! Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/06/02 07:34PM >>> I always imagine how much better a Nak could be with dolby S & HX pro ! And to those lusting for 'champagne' colored (hah) DR10 ... we can arrange something. Stop laughing, maybe one day it'll be collector's item as an LTD. Hmm, maybe i can make that offer to wufwuf. Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony Better Than Nak?? This is a pretty good deck. I would compare it to TEAC V8030S or Pioneer CT-95 - the only advantage over a Dragon it might have is that it is brand new, i.e., these are still in production. However, this is too much to pay for a SONY ES. In my opinion any used 3 head NAK deck in decent condition would be a much better deal (even if you get any of these used units and will need to spend some money in NM, will leave you with a lot left for music ...) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 9 18:12:20 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:12:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Salim: Champagne finish DR-10..... References: Message-ID: <007301c1f774$4c1fbd20$b4299bca@smarzuki> Marc, I saw one with champagne / gold finish for about that price (US$ 400) but forgot whether it's an 8 or a 10. It looked ... well ... different, but not as well built / classy looking as Denon or Yamaha's champagne colors. Labels are much easier to read for sure, and i still hate the guy at nak who switched lettering color from light blue to gold over black. I'll let you know exact price if you're interested. Personally i'd rather get japanese Nak than latter taiwanese made (or probably malaysia ?), anyway it won't blend well with current black nak stack. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ; naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Salim: Champagne finish DR-10..... Salim, I think the champagne finish DR-10 is wonderful. I have no idea why they only sell them in the far east. Some north American and British retailers have been selling the standard black ones for reduced prices for a little while - just resolving their inventory surpluses I suppose. Richer sounds in the UK had them for UK sterling 300.00 and the DR-8 for 200.00. I think Stephen pointed out that the DR-8 head is physically different (smaller) than the one used on the DR-3. But the DR-10 is a DR-2. The champagne finish one for that sort of money (UK sterling 300.00) would be worth considering!! Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu May 9 18:30:37 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:30:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <3CDA81A2.000013.00424@CopyTech> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020508170924.01fb8580@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509121510.01fb5c50@mail.verizon.net> At 5/9/02, you wrote: >Are we sure we want people tweaking their heads with an small screwdriver >all over the globe ? If you mean tape heads, YES!! I want those machines' alignment to be PERFECT !! >Nice idea but for azimuth adj. a 10K tone must be used. I have a >commercial one but it would not be traveling. It's much easier and faster to use pink noise and adjust by ear - or go by a Lissajous pattern on a scope if you want to be dead on. It's very possible for a single 10K tone to give you a false peak. on a meter. Hard to tell by ear. You should have several lower frequency tones to confirm the correctness of your alignment setting at 10K. Having full range of "tones" such as pink noise eliminates the possibility of a false peak. The most efficient and easiest alignment check is pink noise recorded on both tracks, one with polarity inverted, and listen for minimum noise. Very fast and very accurate. In any event, any audible evaluation of head alignment should be done with the preamp on MONO. Better yet, mono into headphones. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 9 19:00:38 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:00:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... References: Message-ID: <3CDAAB35.460D3718@earthlink.net> Hi Mark, How can I learn more about this group? Thanks in advance. Jim Volpatti Mark Hugo wrote: > Hi to all on naktalk, > > The host of the "high-end-audio-video" group, Roy Davis has somehow got his hands on a Nakamichi Dragon. Roy really knows his way around the analogue world and in particular turntables. He has been quite polite iro the virtues of this stupendous deck in deference to the many Sondek and other users on the group. > > Stephen Sank has often stated his enthusiasm for this infinitely tuneable record deck, and Roy, who didn't know it from a bar of soap, has been swiftly won over, as you will see by the "evolution" of thinking that appears in his posts. He is now comparing it with (as you will see at the end - todays posts) a Micro Seiki 5000 and Goldmund Reference. > > Enjoy..... > > Marc > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hi all > > > I have just acquired a very interesting record player, a Nakamichi DRAGON. Yes, it is a record player not a tape deck. It is a real heavyweight and you can control just about every parameter electronically. You can even adjust the spindle for off-centre discs. These Japanese are clever fellows aren't they? I have recently parted company with my Linn LP12 in favour of my recent acquisition, a Micro Seiki BL77 and Dynavector DV505 tonearm, don't tell me I will be changing again so soon? I only got it today so it is not yet hooked up but I am dying to try it out. It is equipped with a very professional-looking Nakamich arem but no cartridge so my Transfiguration Temper Supreme will have to be moved over to it which takes time. > Thanks for the advice on the invalid inflatable cushion John, that will contain plenty of air but, ideally, I should have four separate air bladdersso that I can adjust height and level with variable air pressure if necessary. This is one problem with the tubes from the front wheels of wheelchairs, they are skinny little things. I believe some radio controlled model aircraft have inflatable tyres. Only problem is that they get more expensive as they get smaller. > regards > ROY ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 9 19:03:05 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:03:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <001501c1f73f$b6428e60$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CDAABC9.F62A86E@earthlink.net> No, that's "stink noise." And watch it! I live in San Francisco!! Jim Volpatti ewwwwww... Graham Nelson wrote: > There! And I here was me thinking "pink noise" was what you heard at a gay > party in San Francisco! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: 09 May 2002 01:40 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... > > At 5/8/02, you wrote: > > >Excellent suggestion, except that I have no idea where > >I can obtain pink noise. My pre-pro is dead quiet between > >stations; what's more, it refuses to route the speaker > >level adjustment noise (I am not sure whether pink or > >white) to the tape output. I'll think of something by > >the time I get the cassette. > > > >-- Ron > > FM noise, way at the (either) end of the dial, muting off, > mono, works well enough > > ________________ Marc Stager > > = > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu May 9 18:47:26 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:47:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CDA83D0.00001F.00424@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000001c1f779$33693180$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> If there is still 4 or 5 minutes of recording time left on the tape, I would like to be included. John Gradowski POB 5587 Orange, CA 92863-5587 USA BTW-Is there any genre limitations of the music? I read the 'no rap' and I can understand that but, is it mostly jazz/blues? -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:13 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00079.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smoke at snip.net Thu May 9 19:12:12 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 13:12:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... References: Message-ID: <3CDAADEB.4A72F9B0@snip.net> Mark, which Nak turntable is your Roy Davis talking about. My recollection is that there was a Dragon and then an even more expensive CT-(something) which I believe is the one with provision for two tone arms -- but I could be mistaken. Also, Steve might let us know which of the two tables he prefers and just what their differences are (and how important are the differences). Best regards. John Mark Hugo wrote: > Hi to all on naktalk, > > The host of the "high-end-audio-video" group, Roy Davis has somehow got his hands on a Nakamichi Dragon. Roy really knows his way around the analogue world and in particular turntables. He has been quite polite iro the virtues of this stupendous deck in deference to the many Sondek and other users on the group. > > Stephen Sank has often stated his enthusiasm for this infinitely tuneable record deck, and Roy, who didn't know it from a bar of soap, has been swiftly won over, as you will see by the "evolution" of thinking that appears in his posts. He is now comparing it with (as you will see at the end - todays posts) a Micro Seiki 5000 and Goldmund Reference. > > Enjoy..... > > Marc > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hi all > > > I have just acquired a very interesting record player, a Nakamichi DRAGON. Yes, it is a record player not a tape deck. It is a real heavyweight and you can control just about every parameter electronically. You can even adjust the spindle for off-centre discs. These Japanese are clever fellows aren't they? I have recently parted company with my Linn LP12 in favour of my recent acquisition, a Micro Seiki BL77 and Dynavector DV505 tonearm, don't tell me I will be changing again so soon? I only got it today so it is not yet hooked up but I am dying to try it out. It is equipped with a very professional-looking Nakamich arem but no cartridge so my Transfiguration Temper Supreme will have to be moved over to it which takes time. > Thanks for the advice on the invalid inflatable cushion John, that will contain plenty of air but, ideally, I should have four separate air bladdersso that I can adjust height and level with variable air pressure if necessary. This is one problem with the tubes from the front wheels of wheelchairs, they are skinny little things. I believe some radio controlled model aircraft have inflatable tyres. Only problem is that they get more expensive as they get smaller. > regards > ROY > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Hi > > Will do. I will not keep both the Microseiki and Nakamichi and will keep you > posted. I already have one hungry enthusiast after whichever one I sell. The > Nakamichi is certainly a serious looking piece of equipment. But, apart from > its sound, the Dynavector arm is so beautiful that I will shed a tear if I > decide to sell it. > > regards > ROY > -----Original Message----- > From: ktigerb > To: high_end_audio_video at yahoogroups.com > > Date: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:20 AM > Subject: [high_end_audio_video] Re: LATEST MAIL > > > > >Hi Roy > >sounds like fun I bet you are dissapointed compared to what you > >have/had. > >have read some comments obout the dragon main use was broadcast is a > >fine TT but over the top for normal use . > >when you have finished playing with it let me know the price and I > >might releive you of it.--- In high_end_audio_video at y..., "Roy Davis" > > wrote: > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Hi all > > I got the NAK DRAK going this evening but have not fine-tuned it yet. This is one powerful-sounding beast. It is a real heavyweight. The Microseiki is no lightweight but it does not compare with the Nak. > It is also very sophisticated with centering for off-centre discs, quartz speed lock (spot on without adjustment), auto cutoff at end of side, cut and return to rest, etc. > > When I have played some more I will tell you more. > > regards > ROY > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Hi all > > I am most upset with the NAK DRAK. I am getting just too fond of it. Now I don't think I can part with it. If I decide to sell it I'll have to buy a new box of tissues to honk into. One was sold recently on the net for US$3500. But seriously, once it was properly aligned and setup, the images are rock solid without losing any air, subtlety or transparency. Read and weep with envy. > > I reckon that, without spending the mandatory $11 000 to $ 15 000 for a second hand Microseiki 5000 or Goldmund Reference you are getting a very strong taste of what they can do. > > ROY > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 9 19:27:49 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:27:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509121510.01fb5c50@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000e01c1f77e$d76a6a60$ac11893e@a4s1s2> In any event, any audible evaluation of head alignment should be done with the preamp on MONO. Better yet, mono into headphones. ________________ Marc Stager Marc That's a lot easier said than done when you've only got one ear! ;o) Half deaf Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 9 19:37:59 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:37:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! References: <3CD86E83.21273.141D83F@localhost> <3CD8A976.71216BBC@snet.net> <3CD8BC53.A8814290@pacbell.net> <00bf01c1f660$1b6e6ec0$3b3442cf@sank1> <3CD947A5.1677FBCC@concentric.net> Message-ID: <03cc01c1f780$44a7b280$3b3442cf@sank1> I haven't yet seen a CR-7(CR-5, BX-300, MR-1) motor go south. The only problem I ever see with them is once in a while finding one needing the left flywheel shaft bearing lub'd, for which "Prolong Precision Oil" works great. Nevertheless, I don't expect to never see one go south, so stashing a new one away ain't a bad idea, if you can handle the high cost. I would very much recommend, though, stocking a few reel motors(CA80728A)(for CR-7 or any other Sankyo mech deck worth keeping), as these eventually develop dead spots & are not terribly easy to overhaul. The mode motor will do the same thing, but is really easy to take apart & de-carbonise, so not much point in buying spares. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > > Stephen, > > In your experience, would it make sense to stock on > the CR-7 belt (or maybe even a complete capstan motor)? > What else would make sense? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > > 480 thru 482Z > > 580 thru 582Z > > 660ZX thru 682ZX, including non-ZX models > > LX-3, LX-5 > > ZX-7 > > 700ZXE, 700ZXL > > 1000ZXL > > RX-303, RX-505(not RX-202) > > > > I'm pretty sure I didn't miss any. Dragon & ZX-9 do not use it, nor do any > > Sankyo-mech decks, such as CR-7, DR-1, etc. > > Please don't ask me to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate > > needing for decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy > > for. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "joel hall" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak Belts... going, going, gone! > > > > > Ed Noyes: > > > > > > What about the RX505 or the CR7A insofar as the need to stock up on these > > belts? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > jrh > > > > > > > > > Ed Noyes wrote: > > > > > > > I can say for a fact that this would be the 480, 580, LX series for > > sure, and would > > > > also quite possibly include 670, 680, 700ZXE/L, Dragon... > > > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A while back I had noted that the Nakamichi belts for the vast > > > > > > majority of the classic two capstan decks had become unavailable and > > > > > > that there was some question as to whether they would ever be > > > > > > re-stocked. Well, I'm glad to say that Patty at Nakamichi parts now > > > > > > has them and has informed all of the Nakamichi service centers that > > > > > > this is essentially "last call" for belts. Once the inventory is > > gone, > > > > > > it's gone for good! > > > > > > > > > > So, which NAK models would require these belts? > > > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu May 9 19:39:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:39:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... References: <3CDAADEB.4A72F9B0@snip.net> Message-ID: <03d801c1f780$89e44e80$3b3442cf@sank1> The Dragon CT is the one & only Dragon Computing Turntable("CT"). The only other model was the predecessor TX-1000, which are even more rare to find. I personally think the Dragon is in many ways the better of the two tables, and is indeed the one that I lust for. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Smokevitch" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... > Mark, which Nak turntable is your Roy Davis talking about. My recollection is that there was a Dragon and then an even more expensive CT-(something) which I believe is the one with provision for two tone arms -- but I could be mistaken. > > Also, Steve might let us know which of the two tables he prefers and just what their differences are (and how important are the differences). > > Best regards. > John > > Mark Hugo wrote: > > > Hi to all on naktalk, > > > > The host of the "high-end-audio-video" group, Roy Davis has somehow got his hands on a Nakamichi Dragon. Roy really knows his way around the analogue world and in particular turntables. He has been quite polite iro the virtues of this stupendous deck in deference to the many Sondek and other users on the group. > > > > Stephen Sank has often stated his enthusiasm for this infinitely tuneable record deck, and Roy, who didn't know it from a bar of soap, has been swiftly won over, as you will see by the "evolution" of thinking that appears in his posts. He is now comparing it with (as you will see at the end - todays posts) a Micro Seiki 5000 and Goldmund Reference. > > > > Enjoy..... > > > > Marc > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Hi all > > > > > > I have just acquired a very interesting record player, a Nakamichi DRAGON. Yes, it is a record player not a tape deck. It is a real heavyweight and you can control just about every parameter electronically. You can even adjust the spindle for off-centre discs. These Japanese are clever fellows aren't they? I have recently parted company with my Linn LP12 in favour of my recent acquisition, a Micro Seiki BL77 and Dynavector DV505 tonearm, don't tell me I will be changing again so soon? I only got it today so it is not yet hooked up but I am dying to try it out. It is equipped with a very professional-looking Nakamich arem but no cartridge so my Transfiguration Temper Supreme will have to be moved over to it which takes time. > > Thanks for the advice on the invalid inflatable cushion John, that will contain plenty of air but, ideally, I should have four separate air bladdersso that I can adjust height and level with variable air pressure if necessary. This is one problem with the tubes from the front wheels of wheelchairs, they are skinny little things. I believe some radio controlled model aircraft have inflatable tyres. Only problem is that they get more expensive as they get smaller. > > regards > > ROY > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hi > > > > Will do. I will not keep both the Microseiki and Nakamichi and will keep you > > posted. I already have one hungry enthusiast after whichever one I sell. The > > Nakamichi is certainly a serious looking piece of equipment. But, apart from > > its sound, the Dynavector arm is so beautiful that I will shed a tear if I > > decide to sell it. > > > > regards > > ROY > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ktigerb > > To: high_end_audio_video at yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:20 AM > > Subject: [high_end_audio_video] Re: LATEST MAIL > > > > > > > >Hi Roy > > >sounds like fun I bet you are dissapointed compared to what you > > >have/had. > > >have read some comments obout the dragon main use was broadcast is a > > >fine TT but over the top for normal use . > > >when you have finished playing with it let me know the price and I > > >might releive you of it.--- In high_end_audio_video at y..., "Roy Davis" > > > wrote: > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hi all > > > > I got the NAK DRAK going this evening but have not fine-tuned it yet. This is one powerful-sounding beast. It is a real heavyweight. The Microseiki is no lightweight but it does not compare with the Nak. > > It is also very sophisticated with centering for off-centre discs, quartz speed lock (spot on without adjustment), auto cutoff at end of side, cut and return to rest, etc. > > > > When I have played some more I will tell you more. > > > > regards > > ROY > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hi all > > > > I am most upset with the NAK DRAK. I am getting just too fond of it. Now I don't think I can part with it. If I decide to sell it I'll have to buy a new box of tissues to honk into. One was sold recently on the net for US$3500. But seriously, once it was properly aligned and setup, the images are rock solid without losing any air, subtlety or transparency. Read and weep with envy. > > > > I reckon that, without spending the mandatory $11 000 to $ 15 000 for a second hand Microseiki 5000 or Goldmund Reference you are getting a very strong taste of what they can do. > > > > ROY > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu May 9 18:19:59 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:19:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <3CE04AA7@mail.totalise.co.uk> I would like to add my bit! Fred Moss Bianco Music, 1 Great Cumberland Place London W1H 7AL U.K. ===== Original Message From "El Magnifico" ===== >Fellows : > >So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll >have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll >do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. > >Rules will be posted later. > >The Tape Man > >-------Original Message------- > >From: naktalk at naks.com >Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > >Carlos, You can include me. >John M. Smokevitch >200 Shoreline Drive >Berwyn, PA 19312 >USA >610.993.0941 >(On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include >my address) > >El Magnifico wrote: > >Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu May 9 21:12:23 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:12:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <3CDAABC9.F62A86E@earthlink.net> References: <001501c1f73f$b6428e60$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509151139.01fb0940@mail.verizon.net> At 5/9/02, you wrote: >No, that's "stink noise." > >And watch it! I live in San Francisco!! > >Jim Volpatti > >ewwwwww... ======================= Jim attends redneck meetings where they make white noise. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu May 9 21:17:35 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:17:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <000e01c1f77e$d76a6a60$ac11893e@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509121510.01fb5c50@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509151352.01faa6f0@mail.verizon.net> At 5/9/02, you wrote: >In any event, any audible evaluation of head alignment should be >done with the preamp on MONO. Better yet, mono into headphones. > >________________ Marc Stager > > >Marc > >That's a lot easier said than done when you've only got one ear! ;o) > >Half deaf Graham ====================== Not so. The idea is to sum the left and right channels in order to accentuate phase differences. Whether you hear that summed signal with one or both ears makes no difference. You will still be able to easily judge a misaligned tape head. ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 9 21:14:31 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 15:14:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) References: <3CD8E3EC.26917.30C8F62@localhost> <01ac01c1f6a4$10def080$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CDACA97.2B232766@concentric.net> Stephen, Do the P/Ns below applicable to the CR-7? I think it uses two different pinch roller assemblies where the pinch roller itself is not replaceable. Also, what is the 'reel drive idler arm'? TIA, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The other belts in the dual capstan Nak transports(that use the cap belt in > question) are non-critical, spec-wise, and can be replaced with easily > sourced generic substitutes. > The parts one might consider ordering & keeping sealed up for the future > would be the pinch rollers, OC08164A, and the reel drive idler arm, > CA08193A. > > Again, please don't ask me to be a parts source. I just don't have the time > or monetary resources to serve that function. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:38 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > > > > > > > > > > > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > > > LX-3, LX-5 > > > Please don't ask me > > > to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for > > > decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Is there anything else I should order for my LX-5 while I'm ordering a > couple of > > belts? > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 9 21:20:16 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:20:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... References: <001501c1f73f$b6428e60$0d9987d9@a4s1s2> <5.1.0.14.2.20020509151139.01fb0940@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3CDACBF0.BE149C52@earthlink.net> 100% pure... LOL Marc Stager wrote: > At 5/9/02, you wrote: > >No, that's "stink noise." > > > >And watch it! I live in San Francisco!! > > > >Jim Volpatti > > > >ewwwwww... > > ======================= > > Jim attends redneck meetings where they make white noise. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From harshad at ameritech.net Thu May 9 21:28:19 2002 From: harshad at ameritech.net (Harshad Khatri) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:28:19 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape ...... Count me in as well ...... Message-ID: I, too, would like to add my bit! Harshad Khatri 1026 Linden Avenue Wilmette, IL 60091 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Thu May 9 21:30:00 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:30:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NR 200 on ebay Message-ID: <000001c1f78f$efca96a0$a3b687d9@JAS> Nakamichi NR 200 buy-it-now for only £70 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351876330 Nothing to do with me but looked cheap.. JIm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 9 21:56:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:56:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which deck ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509151139.01fb0940@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001c1f793$a97a43e0$04c087d9@a4s1s2> ======================= Jim attends redneck meetings where they make white noise. ________________ Marc Stager ROFLOL!!!! (Excuse me - I have to change my trousers - had a lil' accident there with laughing so hard the sphincter valve gave way!) Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 9 21:56:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:56:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CE04AA7@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <000101c1f793$aa760900$04c087d9@a4s1s2> I've been passed your place! Heck, next time I'm down in The Smoke I'll drop in to say "hello". Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 09 May 2002 05:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I would like to add my bit! Fred Moss Bianco Music, 1 Great Cumberland Place London W1H 7AL U.K. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.351 / Virus Database: 197 - Release Date: 19/04/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu May 9 22:20:50 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 21:20:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <01C1F79F.66D23F00.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> John Walker 31 Park Road Portland, Dorset DT5 2AD United Kingdom email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, 09 May, 2002 14:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I suggest each of the participants forward their mailing address to Carlos. This will allow him to plan the most efficient routing. I just did mine. Can't wait for that tape to arrive... -- Ron -------Original Message------- Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu May 9 23:41:12 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 16:41:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape Message-ID: I am new to the group but would be interested in the participation of the Marathon Tape. I have an RX-505 in great condition and makes excellent recordings. Thanks, Michael E DeWire 6 Kentucky Court Park Forest IL. 60466 USA mdewire at ameritech.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri May 10 00:41:12 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:41:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A93@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Carlos please count me in! Just one question, what if some of the units that will be used by us have slightly different azimuth allignments to one another, is that going to be a problem? I'm not %100 sure that my gear is alligned correctly to the industry standard (I hope I'm making sense), and don't want to spoil the "Marathon tape". Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2002 10:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... It would be great, can you imagine the variety of different music, hopefully no rap! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > John, 3 tapes would cut the time short, but the idea of a single tape went > around the globe is cool (let's just hope it will come back to Carlos alive, > not ending up in russian or indonesian customs =). > > At say, 4-5 mins each there'll be 20 naksters @ 7-10 days ... yes, it'll be > a perfect Christmas present. Any tape-any song-any deck should do ... > (hopefully with no residual pink noise between songs) > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > > Good question. I wonder if we need maybe three tapes. A US, Europe and Asian > editions. Then perhaps all three could be duplicated at Carlos's duplicating > plant. If we restrict it to one cassette and allow for each person taking a > week to dub and then postal times we won't see it finished until Christmas > or beyond! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > > So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? > > Stan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri May 10 00:50:49 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:50:49 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A94@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey Carlos, do you need my postal address now or later? Regards Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. -------Original Message------- Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 12:13 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > << Message: >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri May 10 01:09:05 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:09:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A95@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Tom Siomopoulos 52 Birchfield Cresent Wantirna, Victoria 3152 Australia. Please disregard my earlier posting Carlos, I did not read all my messages in time to notice that everyone addressed the azimuth issue and postal address. -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 6:21 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape John Walker 31 Park Road Portland, Dorset DT5 2AD United Kingdom email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, 09 May, 2002 14:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I suggest each of the participants forward their mailing address to Carlos. This will allow him to plan the most efficient routing. I just did mine. Can't wait for that tape to arrive... -- Ron -------Original Message------- Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? Best, Carlos aka The Tape Man Copies could be made later ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri May 10 03:11:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:11:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) References: <3CD8E3EC.26917.30C8F62@localhost> <01ac01c1f6a4$10def080$3b3442cf@sank1> <3CDACA97.2B232766@concentric.net> Message-ID: <044f01c1f7bf$94c90220$3b3442cf@sank1> No, the CR-7 is a Sankyo mech, whereas the ZX-9 is a Nak mech. The idler arm is simply the arm that holds the rubber tire/wheel that drives the reel tables. On the real Nak mech, this tire is about ten times more surface area than the unreliable little Sankyo tire(hence the gear mod), and is actually very reliable & long lived. Haven't had to replace many at all in the last 20 years. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > > Stephen, > > Do the P/Ns below applicable to the CR-7? I think > it uses two different pinch roller assemblies where > the pinch roller itself is not replaceable. > > Also, what is the 'reel drive idler arm'? > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > The other belts in the dual capstan Nak transports(that use the cap belt in > > question) are non-critical, spec-wise, and can be replaced with easily > > sourced generic substitutes. > > The parts one might consider ordering & keeping sealed up for the future > > would be the pinch rollers, OC08164A, and the reel drive idler arm, > > CA08193A. > > > > Again, please don't ask me to be a parts source. I just don't have the time > > or monetary resources to serve that function. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:38 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > > > > LX-3, LX-5 > > > > Please don't ask me > > > > to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for > > > > decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > > > Is there anything else I should order for my LX-5 while I'm ordering a > > couple of > > > belts? > > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 10 04:43:57 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:13:57 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20020510024357.65B3F1149DB@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri May 10 09:33:21 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:33:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon Turntable: Reply to John Message-ID: John wrote: "Mark, which Nak turntable is your Roy Davis talking about. My recollection is that there was a Dragon and then an even more expensive CT-(something) which I believe is the one with provision for two tone arms -- but I could be mistaken. Also, Steve might let us know which of the two tables he prefers and just what their differences are (and how important are the differences)." Best regards. John Hi John, The Nakamichi Dragon Model he is using (or temorarily living with) is the "CT". Many or all of the adjustment parameters are electronically/electromechanically controlled. Best wishes, Marc Hi John, Roy is the temporary owner of the CT model. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 10 16:32:09 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:32:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a ... OT!!! In-Reply-To: <3CD6D488.5298EC17@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000801c1f82f$77475740$b207893e@a4s1s2> Forgive me if I seem to be keeping this old wound open but I just found a quote on the web that I think is relevant and inspiring. "Victor Frankel, a physician psychologist, writer of the book Man’s Search For Meaning, was imprisoned in the death camps of Europe during World War II. His training in the area of mental health gave him a unique view of the behavior of those about him. He writes that it did not take long to determine which people were going to survive the horror and which ones would not. People who were basically concerned about themselves, the ones who hoarded food and withdrew into their own little hell did not make it. But those who reached out to minister to others, the ones who shared their meager rations of food, the ones who cared for the ill and washed others wounds were the ones who were still alive when liberation arrived. " Roger Bothwell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri May 10 17:26:18 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:26:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] $30.00 a ... OT!!! Message-ID: Graham, Thanks for the quote. I think our group falls into the general category of helping others. That means we'll be helping each other keep our Naks going even after the cassette format becomes "extinct". It still amazes me how much fidelity can be gotten out of such small space of analog recording media. Keep in mind how small the stored signal of a cassette is compared to that of a studio ½" analog master tape. For reference, the following excerpt is taken from a past Naktalk posting by Marc Stager on 04/29/2002: <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The main limitation of the Philips cassette format is the tiny amount of magnetic oxide which carries signal. Each stereo track is only .0235 in. wide, total .047 inches. One second of music at 1 7/8 IPS prints a total area of 0.088125 sq. inches. Compare the standard cassette to the current analog mastering standard; 30 IPS on half-inch tape; Each track is .2 inches, total .4; At 30 IPS music prints on a full 12 sq. inches of magnetic oxide, 136 times the density of cassette tape. With 30 IPS ½ inch you get a S/N ratio of nearly 100 dB at +9 VU with distortion anywhere in the audio bandwidth less than 1%, typically less than .5%. at that noise spec. No Dolby needed. To eke out an barely acceptable 60 db S/N ratio on a cassette means you have to use Dolby B (at least) and record at 0 level. At VU=0 distortion with chrome tape is about 5 to 10% in the mids and deep in double digits in the highest audible frequencies. This is why test tapes are recorded at -20 dB. You cannot get a clean 15 kHz recording at full modulation on cassette tape... Except for metal tape. Almost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That we get even a listenable signal, not to mention an enjoyable one, from such little signal source, is a minor miracle. The early Nakamichi decks represent a lot of dedication from a small group of "fanatics" for quality sound. We can help keep the cause alive, in a small way, by keeping these sound storage/reproductive devices in good operational condition. To paraphrase another past quote; "The audio cassette is dead! Long live the audio cassette!" Keeping on Naking. Kent >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 05/10/02 09:32AM >>> Forgive me if I seem to be keeping this old wound open but I just found a quote on the web that I think is relevant and inspiring. "Victor Frankel, a physician psychologist, writer of the book Man's Search For Meaning, was imprisoned in the death camps of Europe during World War II. His training in the area of mental health gave him a unique view of the behavior of those about him. He writes that it did not take long to determine which people were going to survive the horror and which ones would not. People who were basically concerned about themselves, the ones who hoarded food and withdrew into their own little hell did not make it. But those who reached out to minister to others, the ones who shared their meager rations of food, the ones who cared for the ill and washed others wounds were the ones who were still alive when liberation arrived. " Roger Bothwell --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri May 10 20:01:25 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 11:01:25 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: Message-ID: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure many of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux inputs, but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each time. I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear apron. Suggestions?? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 10 22:47:27 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:47:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <002501c1f863$e5847b00$44ee3fd0@oemcomputer> Honestly Roland if you went to all that trouble tomake the switch box and it works fine I would look at finding a nicer case. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure many of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux inputs, but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each time. I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear apron. Suggestions?? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 11 02:38:43 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:38:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <053201c1f884$34ecf300$3b3442cf@sank1> I would suggest getting a DBX 200/200X instead, as it is totally passive & has about equal capabilities. Also, it's cheaper & easier to find. If you want something better than either & with more ins & outs, I have a Yamaha AVS-700U that I no longer use in my system. It is a remote controlled A/V switcher w/four full tape loops(2 audio only & 2 w/video & s-video), plus a bunch of input-only lines, and both fixed & variable main outputs. The only thing it lacks is noise reduction processor loops. I'd take $150 for it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure many of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux inputs, but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each time. I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear apron. Suggestions?? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat May 11 02:51:06 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:51:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> <053201c1f884$34ecf300$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CDC6AF8.7C92198D@snet.net> I've got a DBX 200 that I picked up a few years ago for $15! I have to say that it is a fine unit that is both passive and free from any internal wiring as all the jacks and switches are secured directly to a large PC board. About the only problem I had was needing to clean the switches at one point. Stephen Sank wrote: > I would suggest getting a DBX 200/200X instead, as it is totally passive & > has about equal capabilities. Also, it's cheaper & easier to find. If you > want something better than either & with more ins & outs, I have a Yamaha > AVS-700U that I no longer use in my system. It is a remote controlled A/V > switcher w/four full tape loops(2 audio only & 2 w/video & s-video), plus a > bunch of input-only lines, and both fixed & variable main outputs. The only > thing it lacks is noise reduction processor loops. I'd take $150 for it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure many > of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to > handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder > an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my > pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux inputs, > but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each > time. > > I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted > your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the > problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into > one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal > deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby > box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs > with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear apron. > > Suggestions?? > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sat May 11 03:39:43 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:39:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> <053201c1f884$34ecf300$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <008201c1f88c$b9f47480$3db5b742@pii366custom> Thanx Stephen for the advice and offer. I think I'll stick with the dbx units, since I already have some other stuff from them which would match. (I know looks aren't everything, but they don't hurt!) I do have a contact who is interested in a half speed casette deck and I told him about the 680ZX you had for sale. How much are you asking for it? Let me know, and I'll put him in touch with you. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat May 11 04:10:34 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:10:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dahlquist active crossover In-Reply-To: <008201c1f88c$b9f47480$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: Might anybody have experience in rebuilding a dahlquist active crossover? I have one but the rca connectors are awful and the stereo output is intermittent. I assume, after close to 30 years, a thorough cleaning is in order as well as replacement of all the rca connectors with higher quality products. Can someone recommend rca connectors and where I might start? I have the basic electronic tools I need and have assembled at least one kit (hafler dh101 preamp) many moons ago. I want to use the active crossover in conjuntion with passive woofers and a parasound hca 1206 (which has three unused channels; two of these can be bridged). Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Too Much Input! Thanx Stephen for the advice and offer. I think I'll stick with the dbx units, since I already have some other stuff from them which would match. (I know looks aren't everything, but they don't hurt!) I do have a contact who is interested in a half speed casette deck and I told him about the 680ZX you had for sale. How much are you asking for it? Let me know, and I'll put him in touch with you. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sat May 11 05:58:19 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:28:19 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serviced by Stephen Message-ID: <20020511035819.573B411493D@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 11 08:06:50 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:06:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serviced by Stephen References: <20020511035819.573B411493D@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <05b301c1f8b2$0b5d1000$3b3442cf@sank1> It is very likely that it sounds better, as about 2/3 of the caps I installed were nice polystyrenes & polypropylenes. But it's certainly also because this is a really perfect Dragon inside, I must say. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serviced by Stephen > Stephen > The person who listed the following Dragon( had been serviced by you) on ebay; claims to hear an improvement after replacing the Orange film Caps in this Dragon. Is it true? Or main improvement would have come from your alignment alone? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351170383 > > Kannan > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 11 08:13:01 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 00:13:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> <053201c1f884$34ecf300$3b3442cf@sank1> <008201c1f88c$b9f47480$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <05b901c1f8b2$e88238c0$3b3442cf@sank1> The 680ZX I have available is one that I would sell for, say, $300-ish. Once I've serviced it, which I've not done yet, it will be functionally perfect, and free of the dreaded orange film caps, but it's only about a 7 of 10 cosmetically. A bit rough around the edges(literally) & no rack ears, nor the end caps that close the front panel ends in the absence of rack ears. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > Thanx Stephen for the advice and offer. I think I'll stick with the dbx > units, since I already have some other stuff from them which would match. > (I know looks aren't everything, but they don't hurt!) > > I do have a contact who is interested in a half speed casette deck and I > told him about the 680ZX you had for sale. How much are you asking for it? > Let me know, and I'll put him in touch with you. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Sat May 11 08:33:38 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:33:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serviced by Stephen References: <20020511035819.573B411493D@webmail.vsnl.com> <05b301c1f8b2$0b5d1000$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001301c1f8b5$c9a6b7c0$11aff5d1@0022406904> I am the owner of this particular Dragon currently listed on Ebay. Thank you for Stephen's clairification on the sound quality. Based on my subjective evaluation, the sound is cleaner and more dynamic than before the service maintenance. Currently the bid price is up to $885. My reserve price is $900. If anyone of you is interested in buying. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Dragon serviced by Stephen > It is very likely that it sounds better, as about 2/3 of the caps I > installed were nice polystyrenes & polypropylenes. But it's certainly also > because this is a really perfect Dragon inside, I must say. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:58 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Dragon serviced by Stephen > > > > Stephen > > The person who listed the following Dragon( had been serviced by you) on > ebay; claims to hear an improvement after replacing the Orange film Caps in > this Dragon. Is it true? Or main improvement would have come from your > alignment alone? > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351170383 > > > > Kannan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat May 11 11:55:05 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:55:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) Message-ID: <3CE730C1@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hello Stephen, Is the Dragon `mech` a Sankyo or Nak one? Fred ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >No, the CR-7 is a Sankyo mech, whereas the ZX-9 is a Nak mech. The idler arm >is simply the arm that holds the rubber tire/wheel that drives the reel >tables. On the real Nak mech, this tire is about ten times more surface >area than the unreliable little Sankyo tire(hence the gear mod), and is >actually very reliable & long lived. Haven't had to replace many at all in >the last 20 years. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:14 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > > >> >> Stephen, >> >> Do the P/Ns below applicable to the CR-7? I think >> it uses two different pinch roller assemblies where >> the pinch roller itself is not replaceable. >> >> Also, what is the 'reel drive idler arm'? >> >> TIA, >> >> -- Ron >> >> >> Stephen Sank wrote: >> > >> > The other belts in the dual capstan Nak transports(that use the cap belt >in >> > question) are non-critical, spec-wise, and can be replaced with easily >> > sourced generic substitutes. >> > The parts one might consider ordering & keeping sealed up for the future >> > would be the pinch rollers, OC08164A, and the reel drive idler arm, >> > CA08193A. >> > >> > Again, please don't ask me to be a parts source. I just don't have the >time >> > or monetary resources to serve that function. >> > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > http://stephensank.com >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" >> > To: >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:38 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: >> > > > LX-3, LX-5 >> > > > Please don't ask me >> > > > to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for >> > > > decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. >> > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > > >> > > >> > > Is there anything else I should order for my LX-5 while I'm ordering a >> > couple of >> > > belts? >> > > >> > > >> > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >> > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com >> > > >> > > An armed society is a polite society. >> > > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 11 22:48:33 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:48:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) References: <3CE730C1@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <05e101c1f92d$37a09580$3b3442cf@sank1> Real Nak mech on the Dragon, of course. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 3:55 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > >Hello Stephen, > > Is the Dragon `mech` a Sankyo or Nak one? > Fred > > > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >No, the CR-7 is a Sankyo mech, whereas the ZX-9 is a Nak mech. The idler arm > >is simply the arm that holds the rubber tire/wheel that drives the reel > >tables. On the real Nak mech, this tire is about ten times more surface > >area than the unreliable little Sankyo tire(hence the gear mod), and is > >actually very reliable & long lived. Haven't had to replace many at all in > >the last 20 years. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ron" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:14 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > > > > > >> > >> Stephen, > >> > >> Do the P/Ns below applicable to the CR-7? I think > >> it uses two different pinch roller assemblies where > >> the pinch roller itself is not replaceable. > >> > >> Also, what is the 'reel drive idler arm'? > >> > >> TIA, > >> > >> -- Ron > >> > >> > >> Stephen Sank wrote: > >> > > >> > The other belts in the dual capstan Nak transports(that use the cap belt > >in > >> > question) are non-critical, spec-wise, and can be replaced with easily > >> > sourced generic substitutes. > >> > The parts one might consider ordering & keeping sealed up for the future > >> > would be the pinch rollers, OC08164A, and the reel drive idler arm, > >> > CA08193A. > >> > > >> > Again, please don't ask me to be a parts source. I just don't have the > >time > >> > or monetary resources to serve that function. > >> > > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> > http://stephensank.com > >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 6:38 AM > >> > Subject: [naktalk] Hey, Stephan!! (was Nak Belts... going, going, gone!) > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > The models that use that OC08096C capstan belt are: > >> > > > LX-3, LX-5 > >> > > > Please don't ask me > >> > > > to supply them, as I've only ordered what I anticipate needing for > >> > > > decks in for service for as much future as I can afford to buy for. > >> > > > > >> > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Is there anything else I should order for my LX-5 while I'm ordering a > >> > couple of > >> > > belts? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > >> > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > >> > > > >> > > An armed society is a polite society. > >> > > > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun May 12 01:04:36 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 18:04:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A93@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3CDDA384.000001.00524@CopyTech> No problem at all, Tom. ! -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 09:42:41 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... Carlos please count me in! Just one question, what if some of the units that will be used by us have slightly different azimuth allignments to one another, is that going to be a problem? I'm not %100 sure that my gear is alligned correctly to the industry standard (I hope I'm making sense), and don't want to spoil the "Marathon tape". Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2002 10:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... It would be great, can you imagine the variety of different music, hopefully no rap! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > John, 3 tapes would cut the time short, but the idea of a single tape went > around the globe is cool (let's just hope it will come back to Carlos alive, > not ending up in russian or indonesian customs =). > > At say, 4-5 mins each there'll be 20 naksters @ 7-10 days ... yes, it'll be > a perfect Christmas present. Any tape-any song-any deck should do ... > (hopefully with no residual pink noise between songs) > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John M. Tooley > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 7:44 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > > Good question. I wonder if we need maybe three tapes. A US, Europe and Asian > editions. Then perhaps all three could be duplicated at Carlos's duplicating > plant. If we restrict it to one cassette and allow for each person taking a > week to dub and then postal times we won't see it finished until Christmas > or beyond! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 8:03 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape - which tape ... > > > So, which tape will we be using? Metal vs. CrO2? SONY vs. Maxell vs. BASF? > > Stan > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:18:27 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Tom Siomopoulos 52 Birchfield Cresent Wantirna, Victoria 3152 Australia. Please disregard my earlier posting Carlos, I did not read all my messages in time to notice that everyone addressed the azimuth issue and postal address. -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 10 May 2002 6:21 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape John Walker 31 Park Road Portland, Dorset DT5 2AD United Kingdom email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Ron [SMTP:raah at concentric.net] Sent: Thursday, 09 May, 2002 14:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape I suggest each of the participants forward their mailing address to Carlos. This will allow him to plan the most efficient routing. I just did mine. Can't wait for that tape to arrive... -- Ron -------Original Message------- Fellows : So far, so good. 17 members in for the Marathon Tape and counting. We'll have to organize the route by nations. If later we need a second tape, we'll do it. I have the interested parties sorted by order of response. Rules will be posted later. The Tape Man From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 04:46:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, You can include me. John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 USA 610.993.0941 (On mu previous response, I was so excited by the idea, I forgot to include my address) El Magnifico wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen: As a last tribute to the long life media , the cassette, I'll be mailing a C-90 chrome tape with a song recorded in it on the deck of my preference to a fellow member of this list, perhaps Mr. Bleus. He'll receive it, record a tune of his prefs' in his beloved Nak 505 etc ... and pass it to another member and so on. When we finish recording it, the last person will return it to me in Puerto Rico. Each member must pay the PRIORITY MAIL fee. A register sheet must companion the tape everywhere around the globe. We'll keep the tunes no longer than 5 minutes even if that selection must be trimmed down with a fade out etc ... IN other words: No tunes over 5 minutes long, PLEASE ! Try to keep the audio levels estbalished by the origin, ME. Dolby or not Dolby ? NO DOLBY OR ANY KIND OF NRU's ! Any time the tape arrived at your house, you un-packed it and follow the instructions inside. After filing the form and record the tune, re-packed and send it to the other member waiting and so on. We'll follow the route by this media: e mails. Anyone interested ? Mr. Bleus will have the tape after me. Who's next ? 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Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Az. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sun May 12 06:13:31 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:13:31 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Too Much Input! Message-ID: <000b01c1f96b$6121b360$394b3542@compaq> I have a Yamaha AVS-700 and would like to note that it's a wonderful piece. Yes, you can hook up two tape decks to the 2 video inputs/outputs for a total of 4 tape decks connected to the unit. Therefore you can record from any tape deck to another without disconnecting anything. The $150 Stephen is asking is a very reasonable price. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > I would suggest getting a DBX 200/200X instead, as it is totally passive & > has about equal capabilities. Also, it's cheaper & easier to find. If you > want something better than either & with more ins & outs, I have a Yamaha > AVS-700U that I no longer use in my system. It is a remote controlled A/V > switcher w/four full tape loops(2 audio only & 2 w/video & s-video), plus a > bunch of input-only lines, and both fixed & variable main outputs. The only > thing it lacks is noise reduction processor loops. I'd take $150 for it. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > > I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure many > of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to > handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder > an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my > pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux inputs, > but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each > time. > > I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted > your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the > problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into > one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal > deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby > box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs > with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear apron. > > Suggestions?? > > --Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun May 12 06:30:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 22:30:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <000b01c1f96b$6121b360$394b3542@compaq> Message-ID: <066d01c1f96d$b23bcea0$3b3442cf@sank1> Wow, Mark, you're the only other person I have ever run into to have another AVS-700. I had discovered the model not in the sales literature, but in the auto-sent service manuals that came to the Yamaha warranty servicer I worked for. I had to get it from a dealer a couple states away, as hardly any others carried it. Great looking unit, besides being a great switcher. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "bigbear69" To: Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > I have a Yamaha AVS-700 and would like to note that it's a wonderful piece. > Yes, you can hook up two tape decks to the 2 video inputs/outputs for a > total of 4 tape decks connected to the unit. Therefore you can record from > any tape deck to another without disconnecting anything. The $150 Stephen is > asking is a very reasonable price. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > > > I would suggest getting a DBX 200/200X instead, as it is totally passive & > > has about equal capabilities. Also, it's cheaper & easier to find. If > you > > want something better than either & with more ins & outs, I have a Yamaha > > AVS-700U that I no longer use in my system. It is a remote controlled A/V > > switcher w/four full tape loops(2 audio only & 2 w/video & s-video), plus > a > > bunch of input-only lines, and both fixed & variable main outputs. The > only > > thing it lacks is noise reduction processor loops. I'd take $150 for it. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:01 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > > > > > I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure > many > > of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to > > handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder > > an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my > > pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux > inputs, > > but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each > > time. > > > > I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted > > your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the > > problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into > > one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal > > deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby > > box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs > > with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear > apron. > > > > Suggestions?? > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun May 12 10:07:25 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 11:07:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] The return of Big Bear Message-ID: Welcome back, Big Bear ! My personal choice would definitely not be Norton, since I used to have it and twice nimda viruses went through it, but you've already got it, so let's hope it'll do the job for you. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "bigbear69" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: [naktalk] The return of Big Bear Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:11:56 -0700 I had a few Nakers tell me a couple months ago that I had a virus in my computer. I guess some would be getting my messages twice. A few Nakers advised me to buy Norton's Antivirus 2002. Well I did that and I'm not having any such problems anymore. If anything is funny about my messages, please advise your response to Big Bear. Thanks. Mark Exstedt Phoenix, Az. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 12 15:39:28 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 09:39:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The return of Big Bear References: Message-ID: <3CDE7090.9FBC07A2@concentric.net> George Valkov wrote: > > Welcome back, Big Bear ! > > My personal choice would definitely not be Norton, since I used to have it > and twice nimda viruses went through it, but you've already got it, so let's > hope it'll do the job for you. > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "bigbear69" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: [naktalk] The return of Big Bear > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:11:56 -0700 > > I had a few Nakers tell me a couple months ago that I had a virus in my > computer. I guess some would be getting my messages twice. A few Nakers > advised me to buy Norton's Antivirus 2002. Well I did that and I'm not > having any such problems anymore. If anything is funny about my messages, > please advise your response to Big Bear. Thanks. > Mark Exstedt > Phoenix, Az. > PC Mag (IIRC) carried an article about virus checkers a few months ago. They noted no virus checker is perfect, but found Norton Anti Virus to be the best. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Sun May 12 15:47:03 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 09:47:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <000b01c1f96b$6121b360$394b3542@compaq> <066d01c1f96d$b23bcea0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CDE7257.2FF13B18@concentric.net> A long time ago, I was looking for a switcher to augment my ReVox receiver. I almost bought the AVS-700 (actually, went as far as to buy the Service Manual). I then changed my mind and bought an NEC AVX-910 switcher, because it had video noise reduction and a frame grabber. The NEC performed flawlessly, but was somewhat flaky. I sold it years later (along with the ReVox receiver) when I upgraded to a full HT system. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Wow, Mark, you're the only other person I have ever run into to have another > AVS-700. I had discovered the model not in the sales literature, but in the > auto-sent service manuals that came to the Yamaha warranty servicer I worked > for. I had to get it from a dealer a couple states away, as hardly any > others carried it. Great looking unit, besides being a great switcher. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bigbear69" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:13 PM > Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > > I have a Yamaha AVS-700 and would like to note that it's a wonderful > piece. > > Yes, you can hook up two tape decks to the 2 video inputs/outputs for a > > total of 4 tape decks connected to the unit. Therefore you can record from > > any tape deck to another without disconnecting anything. The $150 Stephen > is > > asking is a very reasonable price. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > > > > > > I would suggest getting a DBX 200/200X instead, as it is totally passive > & > > > has about equal capabilities. Also, it's cheaper & easier to find. If > > you > > > want something better than either & with more ins & outs, I have a > Yamaha > > > AVS-700U that I no longer use in my system. It is a remote controlled > A/V > > > switcher w/four full tape loops(2 audio only & 2 w/video & s-video), > plus > > a > > > bunch of input-only lines, and both fixed & variable main outputs. The > > only > > > thing it lacks is noise reduction processor loops. I'd take $150 for > it. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:01 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! > > > > > > > > > I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure > > many > > > of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to > > > handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD > recorder > > > an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my > > > pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux > > inputs, > > > but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each > > > time. > > > > > > I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but > wanted > > > your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the > > > problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks > into > > > one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal > > > deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal > hobby > > > box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and > knobs > > > with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear > > apron. > > > > > > Suggestions?? > > > > > > --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emmett at sprint.ca Sun May 12 13:08:34 2002 From: emmett at sprint.ca (emmett) Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 07:08:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... Message-ID: <00a201c1f9a5$5c600040$3acc6395@h4y1l2> stephen can you send me a list of cassette decks and prices that yo have available send it to emmett at sprint.ca need to get one of these thanks emmett -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... >The Dragon CT is the one & only Dragon Computing Turntable("CT"). The only >other model was the predecessor TX-1000, which are even more rare to find. >I personally think the Dragon is in many ways the better of the two tables, >and is indeed the one that I lust for. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John M. Smokevitch" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 11:12 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Dragon Turntable: Oh, ye of little >faith!!!) If everyou were in doubt.... > > >> Mark, which Nak turntable is your Roy Davis talking about. My >recollection is that there was a Dragon and then an even more expensive >CT-(something) which I believe is the one with provision for two tone >arms -- but I could be mistaken. >> >> Also, Steve might let us know which of the two tables he prefers and just >what their differences are (and how important are the differences). >> >> Best regards. >> John >> >> Mark Hugo wrote: >> >> > Hi to all on naktalk, >> > >> > The host of the "high-end-audio-video" group, Roy Davis has somehow got >his hands on a Nakamichi Dragon. Roy really knows his way around the >analogue world and in particular turntables. He has been quite polite iro >the virtues of this stupendous deck in deference to the many Sondek and >other users on the group. >> > >> > Stephen Sank has often stated his enthusiasm for this infinitely >tuneable record deck, and Roy, who didn't know it from a bar of soap, has >been swiftly won over, as you will see by the "evolution" of thinking that >appears in his posts. He is now comparing it with (as you will see at the >end - todays posts) a Micro Seiki 5000 and Goldmund Reference. >> > >> > Enjoy..... >> > >> > Marc >> > >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > >> > Hi all >> > >> > >> > I have just acquired a very interesting record player, a Nakamichi >DRAGON. Yes, it is a record player not a tape deck. It is a real heavyweight >and you can control just about every parameter electronically. You can even >adjust the spindle for off-centre discs. These Japanese are clever fellows >aren't they? I have recently parted company with my Linn LP12 in favour of >my recent acquisition, a Micro Seiki BL77 and Dynavector DV505 tonearm, >don't tell me I will be changing again so soon? I only got it today so it is >not yet hooked up but I am dying to try it out. It is equipped with a very >professional-looking Nakamich arem but no cartridge so my Transfiguration >Temper Supreme will have to be moved over to it which takes time. >> > Thanks for the advice on the invalid inflatable cushion John, that will >contain plenty of air but, ideally, I should have four separate air >bladdersso that I can adjust height and level with variable air pressure if >necessary. This is one problem with the tubes from the front wheels of >wheelchairs, they are skinny little things. I believe some radio controlled >model aircraft have inflatable tyres. Only problem is that they get more >expensive as they get smaller. >> > regards >> > ROY >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > Hi >> > >> > Will do. I will not keep both the Microseiki and Nakamichi and will keep >you >> > posted. I already have one hungry enthusiast after whichever one I sell. >The >> > Nakamichi is certainly a serious looking piece of equipment. But, apart >from >> > its sound, the Dynavector arm is so beautiful that I will shed a tear if >I >> > decide to sell it. >> > >> > regards >> > ROY >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ktigerb >> > To: high_end_audio_video at yahoogroups.com >> > >> > Date: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:20 AM >> > Subject: [high_end_audio_video] Re: LATEST MAIL >> > >> > > >> > >Hi Roy >> > >sounds like fun I bet you are dissapointed compared to what you >> > >have/had. >> > >have read some comments obout the dragon main use was broadcast is a >> > >fine TT but over the top for normal use . >> > >when you have finished playing with it let me know the price and I >> > >might releive you of it.--- In high_end_audio_video at y..., "Roy Davis" >> > > wrote: >> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > Hi all >> > >> > I got the NAK DRAK going this evening but have not fine-tuned it yet. >This is one powerful-sounding beast. It is a real heavyweight. The >Microseiki is no lightweight but it does not compare with the Nak. >> > It is also very sophisticated with centering for off-centre discs, >quartz speed lock (spot on without adjustment), auto cutoff at end of side, >cut and return to rest, etc. >> > >> > When I have played some more I will tell you more. >> > >> > regards >> > ROY >> > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > Hi all >> > >> > I am most upset with the NAK DRAK. I am getting just too fond of it. Now >I don't think I can part with it. If I decide to sell it I'll have to buy a >new box of tissues to honk into. One was sold recently on the net for >US$3500. But seriously, once it was properly aligned and setup, the images >are rock solid without losing any air, subtlety or transparency. Read and >weep with envy. >> > >> > I reckon that, without spending the mandatory $11 000 to $ 15 000 for a >second hand Microseiki 5000 or Goldmund Reference you are getting a very >strong taste of what they can do. >> > >> > ROY >> > >> > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon May 13 00:18:16 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:18:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Carlos. I know that Australia is far, far away. Stephen once wrote to me and said "Whaddya gotta live so dang far away for?" We have had comedians such as Lenny Henry come down to Australia and when he was in a press conference he stated that we should not be called Australia, we should be called FAR! Tom Siomopoulos. -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------- Got it, Tom ! Let's see how we can take the tape from UK to Australia. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:18:27 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Tom Siomopoulos 52 Birchfield Cresent Wantirna, Victoria 3152 Australia. Please disregard my earlier posting Carlos, I did not read all my messages in time to notice that everyone addressed the azimuth issue and postal address. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2002 9:06 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Mon May 13 01:08:47 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 19:08:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201A9A@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3CDEF5FF.A785308B@concentric.net> Reminds me of the time we were looking at a house to buy and I said to the realtor, "but it's so far". She looked bland and said, "From what?" -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Thanks Carlos. I know that Australia is far, far away. Stephen once wrote to me and said "Whaddya gotta live so dang far away for?" We have had comedians such as Lenny Henry come down to Australia and when he was in a press conference he stated that we should not be called Australia, we should be called FAR! > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -------ORIGINAL MESSAGE------- > > Got it, Tom ! Let's see how we can take the tape from UK to Australia. Carlos > > -------Original Message------- > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:18:27 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: > RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > Tom Siomopoulos 52 Birchfield Cresent > Wantirna, Victoria 3152 Australia. > Please disregard my earlier posting Carlos, I did not read all my messages > in time to notice that everyone addressed the azimuth issue and postal > address. > > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Sunday, 12 May 2002 9:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon May 13 15:36:04 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:36:04 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CDEF5FF.A785308B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <3CDFC144.000001.00420@CopyTech> Fellows: I definetely wants Australia in our "Cassette Mundial". Unfortunately for our Russian Comrades, Misha just informed me that nothing can't leave Russia on a recorded media,so, they can't play unless we infiltrate it with James Bond or something like that ... Sorry ! Africa ? Neal, Mark: how's the postal service doing there ? Safe ? Well, you know, I don't want causing any trouble to nobody here due to a music cassette. You tell me guys . We'll start in USA, then fly to Canada, England, perhaps to Africa, Indonesia finishing in Australia and then a long trip back to Puerto Rico ! That day we'll be celebrating all around the world with our PC's on at the same time with some champange ! Well, now, I'll be sending some letters informing about this global tape as a tribute to the cassette to some Pro Magazines like Tape & Disc Business, Audio Media, Replication News etc ... If some of you guys wants to write a letter to Stereophile, Absolute Sound et al ... would be fine. I'll share with you a picture via this way of me depositing the tape en route to Mr. Bleus at USA ! If everyone wants to share a moment of passion with this tape like recording, dancing, or sending/receiving it, you can do it ! Another e.mail going shortly with the order of appearance per member and rules we'll be send in WORD. Carlos Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Thanks Carlos. I know that Australia is far, far away. Stephen once wrote to me and said "Whaddya gotta live so dang far away for?" We have had comedians such as Lenny Henry come down to Australia and when he was in a press conference he stated that we should not be called Australia, we should be called FAR! > > Tom Siomopoulos. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Mon May 13 16:14:55 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:14:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> Carlos Puerto Rico Mr. Bleus USA John Tooley USA Mark USA Damon Josz USA Ron USA John Smokevitch USA Rob Hamilton USA Johnny Walker USA Kent Merideth USA Harshad Kathri USA Michael E. De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Mon May 13 15:24:13 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:24:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <007b01c1fa81$79af2090$41756acf@johnnyrotten> There is a nice DBX unit at http://www.thetunerguy.com/misc.html for just $99. Photo of unit also. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! I am sure I'm not the first or last to have this problem, and I'm sure many of you have dealt with it. I have too many recorders for my system to handle. In my main system, I have a large open reel deck, Pro CD recorder an two cassette decks (Naks of course!), but only two tape loops on my pre-amp. I can plug and play the other decks into the video or aux inputs, but there is no provision for recording without messing with wires each time. I have been considering getting a DBX 400XG DS Route Selector, but wanted your opinions on other brands to look at or some other solution to the problem. I built a nifty switcher box that could handle three decks into one tape loop and it works great, (even has a provision for internal deck-to-deck dubbing among the three) but is only made from a metal hobby box and doesn't look that great even though it has nice switches and knobs with silver contacts inside, and with gold RCA connectors on the rear apron. Suggestions?? --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pasec at relex.ru Mon May 13 15:40:09 2002 From: pasec at relex.ru (Pavel V. Pasechnik) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:40:09 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> Message-ID: <139601c1fa83$b6306810$e405a8c0@relex.ru> Hi! What about other participant? Pavel. ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Carlos Puerto Rico Mr. Bleus USA John Tooley USA Mark USA Damon Josz USA Ron USA John Smokevitch USA Rob Hamilton USA Johnny Walker USA Kent Merideth USA Harshad Kathri USA Michael E. De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 13 16:47:59 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:47:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001b01c1fa8d$2dbd54c0$d8299bca@smarzuki> .... no Stephen Sank =( and no Indian music from Kannan .... ? too bad nakamikaze is also out of touch. sm ps: Mr. Pollet is in Belgium I presume. ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Carlos Puerto Rico Mr. Bleus USA John Tooley USA Mark USA Damon Josz USA Ron USA John Smokevitch USA Rob Hamilton USA Johnny Walker USA Kent Merideth USA Harshad Kathri USA Michael E. De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 13 17:02:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:02:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA References: Message-ID: <003001c1fa8f$34a3c560$d8299bca@smarzuki> Hi Mark, i agree 'registered' is the best thing to do once the tape leaves US. In any case maybe you (or Fred Moss) would like to make a 'back-up copy', as we would never know what would physically happen to tape during its overseas trip, esp the remaining trip from UK - Puerto Rico. I'm sure the 11 US guys would boycott blank tape supplies to our countries if the marathon tape is lost =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the Federation countries - unless this is something new...... Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon May 13 17:08:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:08:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Too Much Input! References: <001e01c1f84c$b36d4410$3db5b742@pii366custom> <007b01c1fa81$79af2090$41756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003601c1fa90$11104c80$d8299bca@smarzuki> Yummy looking dbx unit ... Roland, i've been trying to find Nak 610 as a switchbox, cool looking & nice meter to boot, and surprise ! there's one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1352373439 which is too expensive for me (last time it went for $150 ish and didn't meet reserve). Good luck ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Too Much Input! There is a nice DBX unit at http://www.thetunerguy.com/misc.html for just $99. Photo of unit also. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Mon May 13 18:43:37 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:43:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Maraton Tape In-Reply-To: <200205131600.SAA03757@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi, Sorry I forgot to mention ... but I'm in Belgium indeed . My address : Eddy Pollet Guido Gezellestraat 11 B-2540 HOVE Belgium As far as the registered mail goes, I'm not sure if it's a good idea : I'm not sure if it really is safer (if it gets lost, postal services will probably refund the price of the blank !!!) . In most cases it'll probably mean a trip to the post office during opening hours, which might not always be easy to arrange . What do others think of it ? Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nacob at afrcaonline.com.gh.naks.com Tue May 14 03:45:16 2002 From: nacob at afrcaonline.com.gh.naks.com (Narcotics Control Board) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 18:45:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] landytei@rediffmail.com Message-ID: <000801c1fae9$184e6780$d23306d8@computer> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Mon May 13 21:42:42 2002 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:42:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem Message-ID: Hey folks. I haven't used my Dragon for a long time and over the weekend I put in a tape to play. It wouldn't move. I put in another almost brand new tape, it barely moved and then the deck stopped. It will sometimes reverse, but it has trouble doing so. Seems like things are bound up or something...weak. I know the capstans are moving...what could this be? Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Mon May 13 23:24:33 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:24:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> Message-ID: <009501c1fac4$94996760$99c36bd8@m5e0c7> Nakkers, in addition to the audio portion, we might consider an attached photo of ourselves and the beloved deck(s) . Quite a collage at the end. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Carlos Puerto Rico Mr. Bleus USA John Tooley USA Mark USA Damon Josz USA Ron USA John Smokevitch USA Rob Hamilton USA Johnny Walker USA Kent Merideth USA Harshad Kathri USA Michael E. De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 14 00:45:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:45:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CDFC144.000001.00420@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002d01c1facf$f28ebea0$f0b787d9@a4s1s2> Carlos & Guys in Russia ... If a recording could be done in Russia this month and passed to my wife in Moscow, she could carry it out back to the UK this June or July (not sure when she's coming back), from whence it might continue its journey. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 13 May 2002 02:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Fellows: I definetely wants Australia in our "Cassette Mundial". Unfortunately for our Russian Comrades, Misha just informed me that nothing can't leave Russia on a recorded media,so, they can't play unless we infiltrate it with James Bond or something like that ... Sorry ! Africa ? Neal, Mark: how's the postal service doing there ? Safe ? Well, you know, I don't want causing any trouble to nobody here due to a music cassette. You tell me guys . We'll start in USA, then fly to Canada, England, perhaps to Africa, Indonesia finishing in Australia and then a long trip back to Puerto Rico ! That day we'll be celebrating all around the world with our PC's on at the same time with some champange ! Well, now, I'll be sending some letters informing about this global tape as a tribute to the cassette to some Pro Magazines like Tape & Disc Business, Audio Media, Replication News etc ... If some of you guys wants to write a letter to Stereophile, Absolute Sound et al ... would be fine. I'll share with you a picture via this way of me depositing the tape en route to Mr. Bleus at USA ! If everyone wants to share a moment of passion with this tape, like recording, dancing, or sending/receiving it, you can do it ! Another e.mail going shortly with the order of appearance per member and rules we'll be send in WORD. Carlos Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Thanks Carlos. I know that Australia is far, far away. Stephen once wrote to me and said "Whaddya gotta live so dang far away for?" We have had comedians such as Lenny Henry come down to Australia and when he was in a press conference he stated that we should not be called Australia, we should be called FAR! > > Tom Siomopoulos. > ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00012.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 14 00:47:40 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:47:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <001b01c1fa8d$2dbd54c0$d8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003301c1fad0$2f83e880$f0b787d9@a4s1s2> Anyone any news of the great nakamikaze - I miss him. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 13 May 2002 03:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape .... no Stephen Sank =( and no Indian music from Kannan .... ? too bad nakamikaze is also out of touch. sm ps: Mr. Pollet is in Belgium I presume. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 14 00:51:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:51:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <009501c1fac4$94996760$99c36bd8@m5e0c7> Message-ID: <003901c1fad0$c9a59c60$f0b787d9@a4s1s2> Nice idea! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Damon Josz Sent: 13 May 2002 10:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Nakkers, in addition to the audio portion, we might consider an attached photo of ourselves and the beloved deck(s) . Quite a collage at the end. Damon --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue May 14 01:32:46 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:32:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> <001b01c1fa8d$2dbd54c0$d8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <006201c1fad6$7cc11ae0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Noticed that Salim, looks like you'll get the coveted 18th spot on tape 1 (18 songs x max 5 minutes = 90 min.) for recording the Marathon Tape. Just wondered about the relibalilty of the mail in Indonesia. I have seen a lot of E-bay sellers say they will ship anywhere in the world EXCEPT Indonesia. Is this a justified concern, or is it only a problem for larger more valuable items? Will Registered Mail suffice? Would hate to see the tape make it all the way around the world only to be lost late in the game. Thanx, Roland Here's my address for the list, Carlos: Roland Alford 102 - 1930 Bellevue Ave., West Vancouver, BC V7V 1B5 Canada ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue May 14 04:37:24 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:37:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hello guys!!!! Message-ID: <002301c1faf0$4b6b41e0$1d6623c8@g8nsv> Long time without writing to the list...tons of problems in my country Venezuela which means tons of problems both at work and at university. I just want to ask a couple of things: 1) I have been reading a lot about the Marathon Tape but kind of miss the first couple of mails with the idea. Can you explain me what is it about and "the rules"?? 2) I went today to the repair shop of my friend Alirio (the guy with the Nakamichis) and found a couple of beautiful equipment there so I want you to know the opinion of you about them: a) McIntosh C-26 preamp b) Luxman MB3045 tube mono power amp..he has 2 Any comments will be apreciated. Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Tue May 14 05:02:57 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:02:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> <001b01c1fa8d$2dbd54c0$d8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CE07E5F.47336197@snet.net> What the heck, is it too late for me to get in on the action too? This is looking like it could be a lot of fun! Ed Noyes (USA) Salim Marzuki wrote: > .... no Stephen Sank =( and no Indian music from Kannan .... ? > too bad nakamikaze is also out of touch. > > sm > > ps: Mr. Pollet is in Belgium I presume. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:14 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > Carlos Puerto Rico > Mr. Bleus USA > John Tooley USA > Mark USA > Damon Josz USA > Ron USA > John Smokevitch USA > Rob Hamilton USA > Johnny Walker USA > Kent Merideth USA > Harshad Kathri USA > Michael E. De Wire USA > Roland Alford Canada > Graham Nelson UK > Fred Mos UK > Neal Walker Africa > Mark Hugo Africa > Salim Marzuki Indonesia > Thomas Australia > > Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? > > I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need > extra space. > > That's it for now. > > Carlos > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue May 14 05:10:28 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:10:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <002d01c1facf$f28ebea0$f0b787d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004b01c1faf4$ea978f90$1d6623c8@g8nsv> You are a lucky guy!!! Your wife is away for a long time...that sounds like a perfect marriage :-) Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 6:45 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos & Guys in Russia ... If a recording could be done in Russia this month and passed to my wife in Moscow, she could carry it out back to the UK this June or July (not sure when she's coming back), from whence it might continue its journey. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 13 May 2002 02:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Fellows: I definetely wants Australia in our "Cassette Mundial". Unfortunately for our Russian Comrades, Misha just informed me that nothing can't leave Russia on a recorded media,so, they can't play unless we infiltrate it with James Bond or something like that ... Sorry ! Africa ? Neal, Mark: how's the postal service doing there ? Safe ? Well, you know, I don't want causing any trouble to nobody here due to a music cassette. You tell me guys . We'll start in USA, then fly to Canada, England, perhaps to Africa, Indonesia finishing in Australia and then a long trip back to Puerto Rico ! That day we'll be celebrating all around the world with our PC's on at the same time with some champange ! Well, now, I'll be sending some letters informing about this global tape as a tribute to the cassette to some Pro Magazines like Tape & Disc Business, Audio Media, Replication News etc ... If some of you guys wants to write a letter to Stereophile, Absolute Sound et al ... would be fine. I'll share with you a picture via this way of me depositing the tape en route to Mr. Bleus at USA ! If everyone wants to share a moment of passion with this tape, like recording, dancing, or sending/receiving it, you can do it ! Another e.mail going shortly with the order of appearance per member and rules we'll be send in WORD. Carlos Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Thanks Carlos. I know that Australia is far, far away. Stephen once wrote to me and said "Whaddya gotta live so dang far away for?" We have had comedians such as Lenny Henry come down to Australia and when he was in a press conference he stated that we should not be called Australia, we should be called FAR! > > Tom Siomopoulos. > ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00012.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Tue May 14 05:27:55 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:27:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hello guys!!!! In-Reply-To: <002301c1faf0$4b6b41e0$1d6623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <3CE04BFB.15026.1754758@localhost> >.tons of problems in my country > Venezuela La problema major es un cojudo se llama Chavez! y ahora, regresamos a hablando de Naks. Ciao, Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 14 06:05:28 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:05:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem References: Message-ID: <088901c1fafc$965770a0$3b3442cf@sank1> Didn't I service that one for you a couple of years ago? Most likely, you've started to get some grease binding on the pinch roller arm axles. Pop the door off, close it, hit play, then see if either or both pinch rollers fail to come up to meet the capstans. If either is not making it, it'll need servicing. If both aren't getting there, it could simply be the mode belt is slipping. If, with no tape inserted, it auto-stops after a bit, then it's just the belt, which is not too hard of a DIY job. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem > Hey folks. I haven't used my Dragon for a long time and over the weekend I > put in a tape to play. It wouldn't move. I put in another almost brand new > tape, it barely moved and then the deck stopped. It will sometimes reverse, > but it has trouble doing so. Seems like things are bound up or > something...weak. I know the capstans are moving...what could this be? > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 14 06:34:14 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:34:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <1be65e1be6e6.1be6e61be65e@indosat.net.id> Hi nakmarathoners, Despite my own paranoia about local postal safety, I have received 2 ebay tuners (surface mail) from US in good health - also some nak test tapes from Aussie using regular airmail. Anyway it would be better if Mark send it registered - and probably make back up copy of the tape. The only problem i could think of is that when something expensive got lost, then there would be no way to track it down and you'll have problem with insurance to get your money back. Some services simply decline to provide insurance when sending items to Indonesia =). I'd like to be included on marathon list but if it is of great concern (and I do understand) then feel free to send it straight to Tom, as i can't be responsible for whatever action taken by gentlemen at Indo's post office. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > Noticed that Salim, looks like you'll get the coveted 18th spot on > tape 1 > (18 songs x max 5 minutes = 90 min.) for recording the Marathon > Tape. Just > wondered about the relibalilty of the mail in Indonesia. I have > seen a lot > of E-bay sellers say they will ship anywhere in the world EXCEPT > Indonesia.Is this a justified concern, or is it only a problem for > larger more > valuable items? Will Registered Mail suffice? Would hate to see > the tape > make it all the way around the world only to be lost late in the game. > > Thanx, > Roland > > Here's my address for the list, Carlos: > > Roland Alford > 102 - 1930 Bellevue Ave., > West Vancouver, BC > V7V 1B5 > Canada > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue May 14 07:23:04 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:23:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <1be65e1be6e6.1be6e61be65e@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <003501c1fb07$6c4f8c60$3db5b742@pii366custom> Salim, I'm sure we all want you to be a part of this. Just wanted your suggestions for the best and safest way to do it. I know when I lived in India in the 1970's the mailman would take magazines we were due to receive by the mail and sell them for making paper bags (India has been recycling long before it became "cool" to re-use here in the West.). The only way we found this out was that we went shopping and received some items in bags made from the foreign magazine issues that we hadn't even seen yet! We knew we were the only ones in the city who had access to these particular magazines by subscription. Wasn't till we started "tipping" (some would call it 'bribing') our mailman on a regular basis that we started to get all our mail. It's just the way things work in some countries. Not sure how it is now. (Kannan?) But in those days the only way to receive something like a cassette tape was with registered mail. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue May 14 07:28:13 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:58:13 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20020514052813.270CE114950@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue May 14 08:39:42 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:39:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Message-ID: Hi Salim, Perhaps after Neal, I would make a back up copy. The best I can manage would be Cassette Deck One as reading deck, with pb azimuth adjusted, to Nak 682ZX running the standard rec calibration onto a brand new MA-XG 90. Alternatively, for Type II compatibility, I would use TDK SA-X (the Jap assembled one) or, if possible, match the brand/type to the original. Both decks are in perfect shape. Direct patch using, probably van den Hul the Firsts. Good idea Salim....as if all of us wer'ent going to do this anyway!!!!! Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/13/02 05:02PM >>> Hi Mark, i agree 'registered' is the best thing to do once the tape leaves US. In any case maybe you (or Fred Moss) would like to make a 'back-up copy', as we would never know what would physically happen to tape during its overseas trip, esp the remaining trip from UK - Puerto Rico. I'm sure the 11 US guys would boycott blank tape supplies to our countries if the marathon tape is lost =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the Federation countries - unless this is something new...... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue May 14 09:03:21 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:03:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C1A1@CPT-01> lets not get paranoid about the tape disapearing we can DHL it out of SA to be certain. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 14 May 2002 08:40 To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Hi Salim, Perhaps after Neal, I would make a back up copy. The best I can manage would be Cassette Deck One as reading deck, with pb azimuth adjusted, to Nak 682ZX running the standard rec calibration onto a brand new MA-XG 90. Alternatively, for Type II compatibility, I would use TDK SA-X (the Jap assembled one) or, if possible, match the brand/type to the original. Both decks are in perfect shape. Direct patch using, probably van den Hul the Firsts. Good idea Salim....as if all of us wer'ent going to do this anyway!!!!! Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/13/02 05:02PM >>> Hi Mark, i agree 'registered' is the best thing to do once the tape leaves US. In any case maybe you (or Fred Moss) would like to make a 'back-up copy', as we would never know what would physically happen to tape during its overseas trip, esp the remaining trip from UK - Puerto Rico. I'm sure the 11 US guys would boycott blank tape supplies to our countries if the marathon tape is lost =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the Federation countries - unless this is something new...... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue May 14 09:13:34 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:13:34 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: loss of tape Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C1A2@CPT-01> for everyone worried about the tape getting lost lets send two tapes and post them seperately on the same route arround the world i'm sure the odds of both getting lost are pretty slim -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] Sent: 14 May 2002 08:40 To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id; naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Hi Salim, Perhaps after Neal, I would make a back up copy. The best I can manage would be Cassette Deck One as reading deck, with pb azimuth adjusted, to Nak 682ZX running the standard rec calibration onto a brand new MA-XG 90. Alternatively, for Type II compatibility, I would use TDK SA-X (the Jap assembled one) or, if possible, match the brand/type to the original. Both decks are in perfect shape. Direct patch using, probably van den Hul the Firsts. Good idea Salim....as if all of us wer'ent going to do this anyway!!!!! Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/13/02 05:02PM >>> Hi Mark, i agree 'registered' is the best thing to do once the tape leaves US. In any case maybe you (or Fred Moss) would like to make a 'back-up copy', as we would never know what would physically happen to tape during its overseas trip, esp the remaining trip from UK - Puerto Rico. I'm sure the 11 US guys would boycott blank tape supplies to our countries if the marathon tape is lost =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the Federation countries - unless this is something new...... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue May 14 10:51:35 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:51:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <1d45181d92d1.1d92d11d4518@indosat.net.id> Yep, in the 'good old days' i wouldn't even think of ordering electronics abroad unless somebody will handcarry it to Jakarta. For unclear reasons, things got improved in the 90's and a friend of mine has been buying CDs from amazon.com without missing a single one. I finally have the courage to subcribe to stereophile and a month later my first (thin) issue showed up =). Let's just say it's 80:20 chance. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > Salim, I'm sure we all want you to be a part of this. Just wanted > yoursuggestions for the best and safest way to do it. > > I know when I lived in India in the 1970's the mailman would take > magazineswe were due to receive by the mail and sell them for > making paper bags > (India has been recycling long before it became "cool" to re-use > here in the > West.). > > The only way we found this out was that we went shopping and > received some > items in bags made from the foreign magazine issues that we hadn't > even seen > yet! We knew we were the only ones in the city who had access to these > particular magazines by subscription. Wasn't till we started > "tipping"(some would call it 'bribing') our mailman on a regular > basis that we > started to get all our mail. It's just the way things work in some > countries. Not sure how it is now. (Kannan?) But in those days > the only > way to receive something like a cassette tape was with registered > mail. > --Roland > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Tue May 14 12:04:23 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 06:04:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <41DC253B.2DD0B940.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, Graham, Thank you for the offer. But in this case Carlos would have to change the route completely and start from Europe... Anyway, another option to provide postal security is to using some reliable delivery service like DHL, FedEx or the like. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue May 14 14:07:27 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:07:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: References: <20020514052813.270CE114950@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <007201c1fb3f$ead566d0$3c756acf@johnnyrotten> That makes good sense. If the tape disappears then let it disappear early not after a dozen plus folks have spent much time recording their favorite nugget! John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 1:28 AM > > > Salim as well others who are very enthusiastic about this, > > my initial reaction to this marathon taping is equally upbeat. However I realize that if the tape gets caught up with some funny customs guy in india, I may have to unnecessarily spend money / time etc to retrieve. More than that I recently had a problem sending one dual voltage CR7 power transformer to Stephen as the customs wanted me to give them a letter etc to accept an item other than plain documents. So I am not enthusiastic in participating as others who participate may get upset about delays at Indian end. In fact I sent two tapes thru my brothers to Sam in US ( my brother lives in California)- it took another month in US to wake up my brother to post it to Sam! > > I am confident of getting the tape without losing thru our Governmental postal department anyway as I received many Nak spares from Japan / Malasia etc. > Basing on above facts I would ask Carlos to consider sending another tape first to Indonesia / then to India within next 45 days - provided it is feasible, I can record and take it with me to US ( yeah I am likely to visit US during August middle). > Even if I do not travel I can send it to US or any other country with a bit of delay from India. > Then the tape travel is easy inside US, europe or Australia. This way the first tape would go thru safe areas whereas the second would take the risky routes. > > Whatever happens I would request Carlos to reserve a copy of the tape or tapes for me to preserve token of Naktalkers friendship! Yeah I forgot to add that the Photos of each one's system / Nak decks added to this Marathon tape is nice idea > Kannan > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id > wrote > > Hi nakmarathoners, > > Despite my own paranoia about local postal safety, I have received 2 > ebay tuners (surface mail) from US in good health - also some nak test > tapes from Aussie using regular airmail. Anyway it would be better if > Mark send it registered - and probably make back up copy of the tape. > > The only problem i could think of is that when something expensive got > lost, then there would be no way to track it down and you'll have > problem with insurance to get your money back. Some services simply > decline to provide insurance when sending items to Indonesia =). > > I'd like to be included on marathon list but if it is of great concern > (and I do understand) then feel free to send it straight to Tom, as i > can't be responsible for whatever action taken by gentlemen at Indo's > post office. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roland Alford > Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:32 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > > Noticed that Salim, looks like you'll get the coveted 18th spot on > > tape 1 > > (18 songs x max 5 minutes = 90 min.) for recording the Marathon > > Tape. Just > > wondered about the relibalilty of the mail in Indonesia. I have > > seen a lot > > of E-bay sellers say they will ship anywhere in the world EXCEPT > > Indonesia.Is this a justified concern, or is it only a problem for > > larger more > > valuable items? Will Registered Mail suffice? Would hate to see > > the tape > > make it all the way around the world only to be lost late in the game. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > Here's my address for the list, Carlos: > > > > Roland Alford > > 102 - 1930 Bellevue Ave., > > West Vancouver, BC > > V7V 1B5 > > Canada > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > > -------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue May 14 14:11:49 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 08:11:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: loss of tape References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C1A2@CPT-01> Message-ID: <008601c1fb40$873794d0$3c756acf@johnnyrotten> Great idea. Recording two tapes would take a little extra time. With two Maxell C90's costing about three bucks then what the heck! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: loss of tape > for everyone worried about the tape getting lost lets send two tapes and > post them seperately on the same route arround the world i'm sure the odds > of both getting lost are pretty slim > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Hugo [mailto:Mhugo at sunint.co.za] > Sent: 14 May 2002 08:40 > To: smarzuki at indosat.net.id; naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA > > > Hi Salim, > > Perhaps after Neal, I would make a back up copy. The best I can manage > would be Cassette Deck One as reading deck, with pb azimuth adjusted, to Nak > 682ZX running the standard rec calibration onto a brand new MA-XG 90. > Alternatively, for Type II compatibility, I would use TDK SA-X (the Jap > assembled one) or, if possible, match the brand/type to the original. Both > decks are in perfect shape. Direct patch using, probably van den Hul the > Firsts. > > Good idea Salim....as if all of us wer'ent going to do this anyway!!!!! > > Cheers, > > Marc > > >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/13/02 05:02PM >>> > > Hi Mark, i agree 'registered' is the best thing to do once the tape leaves > US. In any case maybe you (or Fred Moss) would like to make a 'back-up > copy', as we would never know what would physically happen to tape during > its overseas trip, esp the remaining trip from UK - Puerto Rico. > > I'm sure the 11 US guys would boycott blank tape supplies to our countries > if the marathon tape is lost =) > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Hugo > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:05 PM > Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA > > > Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners > > I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal > service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions > of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of > course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! > > I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings > from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may > say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the > Federation countries - unless this is something new...... > > Cheers, > > Marc > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue May 14 16:50:00 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:50:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA References: Message-ID: <3CE12418.000004.00536@CopyTech> Hello: Nick just cleared the situation. Misha is in Ukraine and Nick in Moscow. Two very different stories. Nick is in as well as you guys from the Cape ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 13, 2002 02:26:44 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the Federation countries - unless this is something new...... Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 13, 2002 08:41:42 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Nakkers, in addition to the audio portion, we might consider an attached photo of ourselves and the beloved deck(s) . Quite a collage at the end. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Carlos Puerto Rico Mr. Bleus USA John Tooley USA Mark USA Damon Josz USA Ron USA John Smokevitch USA Rob Hamilton USA Johnny Walker USA Kent Merideth USA Harshad Kathri USA Michael E. De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue May 14 16:57:23 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 09:57:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <1be65e1be6e6.1be6e61be65e@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3CE125D3.00000A.00536@CopyTech> We'll take that in consideration. Thanks Salim ! CArlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 13, 2002 15:45:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Hi nakmarathoners, Despite my own paranoia about local postal safety, I have received 2 ebay tuners (surface mail) from US in good health - also some nak test tapes from Aussie using regular airmail. Anyway it would be better if Mark send it registered - and probably make back up copy of the tape. The only problem i could think of is that when something expensive got lost, then there would be no way to track it down and you'll have problem with insurance to get your money back. Some services simply decline to provide insurance when sending items to Indonesia =). I'd like to be included on marathon list but if it is of great concern (and I do understand) then feel free to send it straight to Tom, as i can't be responsible for whatever action taken by gentlemen at Indo's post office. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > Noticed that Salim, looks like you'll get the coveted 18th spot on > tape 1 > (18 songs x max 5 minutes = 90 min.) for recording the Marathon > Tape. Just > wondered about the relibalilty of the mail in Indonesia. I have > seen a lot > of E-bay sellers say they will ship anywhere in the world EXCEPT > Indonesia.Is this a justified concern, or is it only a problem for > larger more > valuable items? Will Registered Mail suffice? Would hate to see > the tape > make it all the way around the world only to be lost late in the game. > > Thanx, > Roland > > Here's my address for the list, Carlos: > > Roland Alford > 102 - 1930 Bellevue Ave., > West Vancouver, BC > V7V 1B5 > Canada > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue May 14 17:00:00 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:00:00 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: References: <20020514052813.270CE114950@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3CE12670.00000D.00536@CopyTech> THank you very much for the suggestion, Kanan ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 13, 2002 16:32:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Salim as well others who are very enthusiastic about this, my initial reaction to this marathon taping is equally upbeat. However I realize that if the tape gets caught up with some funny customs guy in india I may have to unnecessarily spend money / time etc to retrieve. More than that I recently had a problem sending one dual voltage CR7 power transformer to Stephen as the customs wanted me to give them a letter etc to accept an item other than plain documents. So I am not enthusiastic in participating as others who participate may get upset about delays at Indian end. In fact I sent two tapes thru my brothers to Sam in US ( my brother lives in California)- it took another month in US to wake up my brother to post it to Sam! I am confident of getting the tape without losing thru our Governmental postal department anyway as I received many Nak spares from Japan / Malasia etc. Basing on above facts I would ask Carlos to consider sending another tape first to Indonesia / then to India within next 45 days - provided it is feasible, I can record and take it with me to US ( yeah I am likely to visit US during August middle). Even if I do not travel I can send it to US or any other country with a bit of delay from India. Then the tape travel is easy inside US, europe or Australia. This way the first tape would go thru safe areas whereas the second would take the risky routes. Whatever happens I would request Carlos to reserve a copy of the tape or tapes for me to preserve token of Naktalkers friendship! Yeah I forgot to add that the Photos of each one's system / Nak decks added to this Marathon tape is nice idea Kannan smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote Hi nakmarathoners, Despite my own paranoia about local postal safety, I have received 2 ebay tuners (surface mail) from US in good health - also some nak test tapes from Aussie using regular airmail. Anyway it would be better if Mark send it registered - and probably make back up copy of the tape. The only problem i could think of is that when something expensive got lost, then there would be no way to track it down and you'll have problem with insurance to get your money back. Some services simply decline to provide insurance when sending items to Indonesia =). I'd like to be included on marathon list but if it is of great concern (and I do understand) then feel free to send it straight to Tom, as i can't be responsible for whatever action taken by gentlemen at Indo's post office. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 6:32 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > Noticed that Salim, looks like you'll get the coveted 18th spot on > tape 1 > (18 songs x max 5 minutes = 90 min.) for recording the Marathon > Tape. Just > wondered about the relibalilty of the mail in Indonesia. I have > seen a lot > of E-bay sellers say they will ship anywhere in the world EXCEPT > Indonesia.Is this a justified concern, or is it only a problem for > larger more > valuable items? Will Registered Mail suffice? Would hate to see > the tape > make it all the way around the world only to be lost late in the game. > > Thanx, > Roland > > Here's my address for the list, Carlos: > > Roland Alford > 102 - 1930 Bellevue Ave., > West Vancouver, BC > V7V 1B5 > Canada > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The best I can manage would be Cassette Deck One as reading deck, with pb azimuth adjusted, to Nak 682ZX running the standard rec calibration onto a brand new MA-XG 90. Alternatively, for Type II compatibility, I would use TDK SA-X (the Jap assembled one) or, if possible, match the brand/type to the original. Both decks are in perfect shape. Direct patch using, probably van den Hul the Firsts. Good idea Salim....as if all of us wer'ent going to do this anyway!!!!! Cheers, Marc >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 05/13/02 05:02PM >>> Hi Mark, i agree 'registered' is the best thing to do once the tape leaves US. In any case maybe you (or Fred Moss) would like to make a 'back-up copy', as we would never know what would physically happen to tape during its overseas trip, esp the remaining trip from UK - Puerto Rico. I'm sure the 11 US guys would boycott blank tape supplies to our countries if the marathon tape is lost =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape: postal service from RSA Howdy Carlos, and all other Magnetic Marathoners I think I can speak for Neal down down in the Cape on this too, the postal service is pretty well fine - obviously we would take the normal precautions of registering it and then posting the reg number on the group. Airmail of course, and would take proper precautions with thorough packaging!! I'm sure that Nicholas is keen to be involved. He has sent me recordings from Moscow without any worries!! Absolutely fantastic quality if I may say, too. So I'm not too sure about the rule of tapes/data leaving the Federation countries - unless this is something new...... 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RULES: 1- Tunes no longer than 5 minutes 2- Jazz, Blues, Rock, Pop is ok, other than that would be for next time 3- Each member must pay his own postal fee. I know that private carriers are costlier but unfortunately, if you want to play you have to spend in the most secure carrier you can afford. 4- NO DOLBY or any NRU would be used. 5- Please, keep levels as near as the original song: +4 db with ocassional +5/6 peaks. 6- You'll inform the list at the receival and sending phase. 7- We'll try to keep all Nakamichi, but, if you prefer other deck: I don't care. 8- You can include additional material if you want or perhaps you may want to share trough this way for the benefit of all members. 9- We'll use a custom loaded cassette with Maxell XL-II tape inside done at my plant. 10- You can listen the whole tape before recording your part and leave it on cue for the next person. 11- No problem about notifying the media about this Marathon Tape. Anything else will be well received. Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brianm at grar.com Tue May 14 17:01:51 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:01:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CE12A9B.000015.00536@CopyTech> Message-ID: <010d01c1fb58$47b347b0$b2021fac@brianm> My .02 cents, which isn't worth much seeing I don't have a deck. I have an arguement for both issues of two tapes. I would be pro for sending two tapes to everyone, when the one fills they move to the second and pass BOTH to the next person; this way everyone can enjoy the progression of all the music. Now for the arguement for a US tape and another for other countries. If the two tapes were to be shipped to everyone, whoever is the last in the US to have the tapes before shipping overseas, they are clearly going to get stuck with higher shipping than everyone else that passed it around the US. Just some thoughts. Did anyone answer ISy's question as to what this was all about? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:17 AM Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Hello Fellows: I think that the Marathon Tape issue is getting a little complicated as far as logistics is concerned. At this moment, with all the persons interested, 1 C-90 tape is not enough. We'll have to include a second one, or perhaps one will go to USA, Canada, England, Australia and the other from Moscow, Belgium, Africa, Indonesia etc ... We can almost full a whole C-90 with the guys from USA alone. Once both tapes are recorded, I'll make a final version for the participants including a representation from all the countries involved. RULES: 1- Tunes no longer than 5 minutes 2- Jazz, Blues, Rock, Pop is ok, other than that would be for next time 3- Each member must pay his own postal fee. I know that private carriers are costlier but unfortunately, if you want to play you have to spend in the most secure carrier you can afford. 4- NO DOLBY or any NRU would be used. 5- Please, keep levels as near as the original song: +4 db with ocassional +5/6 peaks. 6- You'll inform the list at the receival and sending phase. 7- We'll try to keep all Nakamichi, but, if you prefer other deck: I don't care. 8- You can include additional material if you want or perhaps you may want to share trough this way for the benefit of all members. 9- We'll use a custom loaded cassette with Maxell XL-II tape inside done at my plant. 10- You can listen the whole tape before recording your part and leave it on cue for the next person. 11- No problem about notifying the media about this Marathon Tape. Anything else will be well received. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue May 14 17:41:34 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:11:34 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20020514154134.E5FB411493C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue May 14 18:32:19 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:32:19 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CDFC144.000001.00420@CopyTech> Message-ID: Hi Carlos! >I definetely wants Australia in our "Cassette Mundial". Unfortunately for >our Russian Comrades, Misha just informed me that nothing can't leave Russia >on a recorded media,so, they can't play unless we infiltrate it with James >Bond or something like that ... Sorry ! No!!! I'm talking about Ukraine but Russian regulations may be different! So please consider Russia and me (I'll just bring tape to Moskow personaly). You know, the biggest political scandal in Ukraine (even chain of scandals) is about taping criminal conversations of our president in his office. You may heard about it - his former guard can not stay so many criminal things he been a witnes so he did recird about 1000 hours of ukrainian president conversations - there was direct order to kill people, talks about smugling hi-tech weapon in to Iraq and many others! So I'm no surprise that our customs do not aloud people to send tapes over the mail.... Misha PS: The guy who did the taping used digital machine... Shame on him. Should use 550! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 14 19:05:23 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Brotherhood In-Reply-To: <20020514052813.270CE114950@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <000001c1fb69$89da2f80$4f9487d9@a4s1s2> I very much favour the participation of our Nak brothers in the more "difficult" countries, even if there are delays, because this is symbolic of the struggle we all have in keeping our beloved machines in a good working condition.... sometimes it takes time, sometimes dogged tenacity and sometimes we cannot succeed. So, I would prefer we show some of that same measure of patience and tenacity because this CAN succeed even if not the first time we try it! This is also a way by which we can all share the same emotions at the same time, in unison, of success or disappointment, further cementing the brotherhood whatever happens! Let's keep everyone in the loop that wants to be in it. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: 14 May 2002 06:28 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Salim as well others who are very enthusiastic about this, my initial reaction to this marathon taping is equally upbeat. However I realize that if the tape gets caught up with some funny customs guy in india, I may have to unnecessarily spend money / time etc to retrieve. More than that I recently had a problem sending one dual voltage CR7 power transformer to Stephen as the customs wanted me to give them a letter etc to accept an item other than plain documents. So I am not enthusiastic in participating as others who participate may get upset about delays at Indian end. In fact I sent two tapes thru my brothers to Sam in US ( my brother lives in California)- it took another month in US to wake up my brother to post it to Sam! I am confident of getting the tape without losing thru our Governmental postal department anyway as I received many Nak spares from Japan / Malasia etc. Basing on above facts I would ask Carlos to consider sending another tape first to Indonesia / then to India within next 45 days - provided it is feasible, I can record and take it with me to US ( yeah I am likely to visit US during August middle). Even if I do not travel I can send it to US or any other country with a bit of delay from India. Then the tape travel is easy inside US, europe or Australia. This way the first tape would go thru safe areas whereas the second would take the risky routes. Whatever happens I would request Carlos to reserve a copy of the tape or tapes for me to preserve token of Naktalkers friendship! Yeah I forgot to add that the Photos of each one's system / Nak decks added to this Marathon tape is nice idea Kannan smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 14 19:20:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:20:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <41DC253B.2DD0B940.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <003f01c1fb6b$b318bd60$4f9487d9@a4s1s2> Hi Nick No problem. But consider the cost of DHL and FedEx ... they ain't cheap! Cheers Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: 14 May 2002 11:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Hi, Graham, Thank you for the offer. But in this case Carlos would have to change the route completely and start from Europe... Anyway, another option to provide postal security is to using some reliable delivery service like DHL, FedEx or the like. Nicholas. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue May 14 22:37:48 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:37:48 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE064@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Been a fly-on-the-wall through this marathon inception & I must say what an intriguing idea that started out honoring the endangered medium at hand & is now exploring very human issues that reveal themselves in the process. I'm sure that the positive energy generated by all this will help make it a sucessful endeavor. Though I just as soon leave this undertaking to the more serious veterans of naktalk (besides not having a worthy deck in my posession yet), I would very much like to obtain a copy of the tape when finished. I'll try to keep up with your progress on this, but keep me in mind, if possible, for to hear the end result of your efforts. regards, all andy -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:23 +0100 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] Nak Brotherhood I very much favour the participation of our Nak brothers in the more "difficult" countries, even if there are delays, because this is symbolic of the struggle we all have in keeping our beloved machines in a good working condition.... sometimes it takes time, sometimes dogged tenacity and sometimes we cannot succeed. So, I would prefer we show some of that same measure of patience and tenacity because this CAN succeed even if not the first time we try it! This is also a way by which we can all share the same emotions at the same time, in unison, of success or disappointment, further cementing the brotherhood whatever happens! Let's keep everyone in the loop that wants to be in it. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue May 14 23:21:16 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:21:16 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape Message-ID: I'll like to echo this. I would have liked to participate in this marathon tape session with my Nak decks (probably CR-7E) but as I am in the process of moving house, it is unrealistic for me to try to participate as yet. However, I would be very grateful to Carlos if I could get a copy of the final tape product (Carlos, I'll be happy to pay any charges/postage posts) as compensation/momento of this event which I am not able to participate in!!! :-) >From: "Dundis, Andy" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape >Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:37:48 -0500 > >Been a fly-on-the-wall through this marathon inception & I must say what an >intriguing idea that started out honoring the endangered medium at hand & >is >now exploring very human issues that reveal themselves in the process. I'm >sure that the positive energy generated by all this will help make it a >sucessful >endeavor. Though I just as soon leave this undertaking to the more serious >veterans of naktalk (besides not having a worthy deck in my posession yet), >I >would very much like to obtain a copy of the tape when finished. I'll try >to >keep up with your progress on this, but keep me in mind, if possible, for >to >hear the end result of your efforts. >regards, all >andy > >-----Original Message----- >Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:23 +0100 >From: "Graham Nelson" >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Brotherhood > >I very much favour the participation of our Nak brothers in the more >"difficult" countries, even if there are delays, because this is symbolic >of >the struggle we all have in keeping our beloved machines in a good working >condition.... sometimes it takes time, sometimes dogged tenacity and >sometimes we cannot succeed. So, I would prefer we show some of that same >measure of patience and tenacity because this CAN succeed even if not the >first time we try it! This is also a way by which we can all share the >same >emotions at the same time, in unison, of success or disappointment, further >cementing the brotherhood whatever happens! Let's keep everyone in the >loop >that wants to be in it. > >Graham > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 15 00:03:55 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:03:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE064@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <004401c1fb93$3e636470$54756acf@johnrotten> Carlos has the duplicating plant. How many do you need run off, 1000-5000 units? ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dundis, Andy" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape > Been a fly-on-the-wall through this marathon inception & I must say what an > intriguing idea that started out honoring the endangered medium at hand & is > now exploring very human issues that reveal themselves in the process. I'm > sure that the positive energy generated by all this will help make it a sucessful > endeavor. Though I just as soon leave this undertaking to the more serious > veterans of naktalk (besides not having a worthy deck in my posession yet), I > would very much like to obtain a copy of the tape when finished. I'll try to > keep up with your progress on this, but keep me in mind, if possible, for to > hear the end result of your efforts. > regards, all > andy > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:23 +0100 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Brotherhood > > I very much favour the participation of our Nak brothers in the more > "difficult" countries, even if there are delays, because this is symbolic of > the struggle we all have in keeping our beloved machines in a good working > condition.... sometimes it takes time, sometimes dogged tenacity and > sometimes we cannot succeed. So, I would prefer we show some of that same > measure of patience and tenacity because this CAN succeed even if not the > first time we try it! This is also a way by which we can all share the same > emotions at the same time, in unison, of success or disappointment, further > cementing the brotherhood whatever happens! Let's keep everyone in the loop > that wants to be in it. > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 15 00:30:38 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:30:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CE12A9B.000015.00536@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3CE1900E.384D5D4@rcn.com> Carlos, I have one comment, on item (2): why not classical? I was toying with the idea of recording an aria from 'The Beautiful Voice' with Renee Fleming. It's no big deal, either way, but why not be versatile? -- Ron El Magnifico wrote: > Hello Fellows: I think that the Marathon Tape issue is getting a little complicated as far as logistics is concerned. At this moment, with all the persons interested, 1 C-90 tape is not enough. We'll have to include a second one, or perhaps one will go to USA, Canada, England, Australia and the other from Moscow, Belgium, Africa, Indonesia etc ... We can almost full a whole C-90 with the guys from USA alone. Once both tapes are recorded, I'll make a final version for the participants including a representation from all the countries involved. RULES: 1- Tunes no longer than 5 minutes2- Jazz, Blues, Rock, Pop is ok, other than that would be for next time3- Each member must pay his own postal fee. I know that private carriers are costlier but unfortunately, if you want to play you have to spend in the most secure carrier you can afford.4- NO DOLBY or any NRU would be used.5- Please, keep levels as near as the original song: +4 db with ocassional +5/6 peaks.6- You'll inform the list at the receival and sending phase.7- We'll try to keep all Nakamichi, but, if you prefer other deck: I don't care.8- You can include additional material if you want or perhaps you may want to share trough this way for the benefit of all members.9- We'll use a custom loaded cassette with Maxell XL-II tape inside done at my plant.10- You can listen the whole tape before recording your part and leave it on cue for the next person.11- No problem about notifying the media about this Marathon Tape. Anything else will be well received. Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 15 01:57:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:57:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega and SME In-Reply-To: <3CE1900E.384D5D4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000c01c1fba3$2d325980$7f8c87d9@a4s1s2> Is it correct that Rega arms will fit SME cut armboards, and vice versa? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Wed May 15 00:57:03 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:57:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CE12A9B.000015.00536@CopyTech> Message-ID: Carlos, Thanks for including me on the Marathon list and making a clear set of guidelines for implementation. I look forward to contributing to this global endeavor. Best, Michael E DeWire -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High Hello Fellows: I think that the Marathon Tape issue is getting a little complicated as far as logistics is concerned. At this moment, with all the persons interested, 1 C-90 tape is not enough. We'll have to include a second one, or perhaps one will go to USA, Canada, England, Australia and the other from Moscow, Belgium, Africa, Indonesia etc ... We can almost full a whole C-90 with the guys from USA alone. Once both tapes are recorded, I'll make a final version for the participants including a representation from all the countries involved. RULES: 1- Tunes no longer than 5 minutes 2- Jazz, Blues, Rock, Pop is ok, other than that would be for next time 3- Each member must pay his own postal fee. I know that private carriers are costlier but unfortunately, if you want to play you have to spend in the most secure carrier you can afford. 4- NO DOLBY or any NRU would be used. 5- Please, keep levels as near as the original song: +4 db with ocassional +5/6 peaks. 6- You'll inform the list at the receival and sending phase. 7- We'll try to keep all Nakamichi, but, if you prefer other deck: I don't care. 8- You can include additional material if you want or perhaps you may want to share trough this way for the benefit of all members. 9- We'll use a custom loaded cassette with Maxell XL-II tape inside done at my plant. 10- You can listen the whole tape before recording your part and leave it on cue for the next person. 11- No problem about notifying the media about this Marathon Tape. Anything else will be well received. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 15 02:07:28 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 20:07:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape References: <000b01c1fb9e$b6ffb360$7f8c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008601c1fba4$8060cb40$54756acf@johnrotten> As you said earlier "I'll get you at playtime". ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 7:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape > Why you asking, are you considering a competitive run using your bank of > Revox B215s?? !!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 14 May 2002 11:04 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape > > > Carlos has the duplicating plant. How many do you need run off, 1000-5000 > units? ;-) > > John > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 15 03:49:22 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 08:49:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Pics References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> <009501c1fac4$94996760$99c36bd8@m5e0c7> Message-ID: <004401c1fbb2$bce8ac00$77299bca@smarzuki> Damon, this is an excellent idea and could be kept going separately off the marathon tape. How come the 'gallery' idea never catch on ? If Wouter or Scott or Stephen have some spare space on the site we can send digipics of the naks (and us, of course) ... it would be neat to view the brotherhood pics ! Salim SM (looking for an excuse to buy digicam) ----- Original Message ----- From: Damon Josz To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Nakkers, in addition to the audio portion, we might consider an attached photo of ourselves and the beloved deck(s) . Quite a collage at the end. Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed May 15 04:06:38 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:06:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rega and SME References: <000c01c1fba3$2d325980$7f8c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CE1C2AE.3D54549F@earthlink.net> It depends on which SME arms. The SME 309, IV and V armboards are not Rega compatible, especially if used on a Michell table. They also have a completely different mount scheme. The combined weight of a Michell armboard and compatible arm is always exactly 1 Kg. Since SME arms are heavier than most, the Michell SME armboards tend to be much lighter than those for the Rega arms. Hope this makes sense. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Is it correct that Rega arms will fit SME cut armboards, and vice versa? > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed May 15 04:11:19 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 19:11:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Pics References: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> <009501c1fac4$94996760$99c36bd8@m5e0c7> <004401c1fbb2$bce8ac00$77299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CE1C3C7.A37DB62E@earthlink.net> It would also be nice to include information on the city and country where each of you live. I can never remember. Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > Damon, this is an excellent idea and could be kept going separately off the > marathon tape. > > How come the 'gallery' idea never catch on ? If Wouter or Scott or Stephen > have some spare space on the site we can send digipics of the naks (and us, > of course) ... it would be neat to view the brotherhood pics ! > > Salim SM > (looking for an excuse to buy digicam) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 15 06:42:35 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 05:42:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CDFCA5F.000003.00420@CopyTech> Message-ID: If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no substitutes, original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal Manor of *Portland*. Which ain’t in Oregon, ain’t in Maine. It is on the South coast of England, which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the well-known 51st state of the US! By the way – we have got a building here called Pennsylvania Castle – I can just see it out my window – that was built by John Penn, grandson of William Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more information. Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you colonials are still talking to me, that is. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Monday, 13 May, 2002 15:15 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Carlos Puerto Rico Mr. Bleus USA John Tooley USA Mark USA Damon Josz USA Ron USA John Smokevitch USA Rob Hamilton USA Johnny Walker USA Kent Merideth USA Harshad Kathri USA Michael E. De Wire USA Roland Alford Canada Graham Nelson UK Fred Mos UK Neal Walker Africa Mark Hugo Africa Salim Marzuki Indonesia Thomas Australia Nicholas, Eddy Pollet: I need to know from where you are guys ? I believe that I'll have to include a second balnk tape just in case we need extra space. That's it for now. Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 15 08:50:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:50:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001801c1fbdc$ca284c20$7f8c87d9@a4s1s2> [Graham replies ....] Adding to that, before moving to near Liverpool I used to live on the boundary of the original Denver. If there are any Denver, USA guys out there who want to see the original back in the Old World ... don't make a special trip ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 15 May 2002 05:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no substitutes, original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal Manor of *Portland*. Which ain’t in Oregon, ain’t in Maine. It is on the South coast of England, which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the well-known 51st state of the US! By the way – we have got a building here called Pennsylvania Castle – I can just see it out my window – that was built by John Penn, grandson of William Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more information. Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you colonials are still talking to me, that is. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Wed May 15 09:44:22 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 03:44:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <1CA59F7D.5AD2A023.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, Graham, I hope Carlos will not ask me to DHL the tape to Australia :-))) High costs - high reliabilty plus tracking facility. Probably we should try to afford it when mail the Marathon tape from Russia. I think we'll consider the option here with the Russian participants of the project. Your offer is a valuable option too, I just doubt that the tape will come to Russia before your wife departs. With best wishes to all Naktalk friends, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 15 09:43:21 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:43:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape Message-ID: <211c2f21382c.21382c211c2f@indosat.net.id> ha ha ha ... is that you, Johnnie Walker, USA ? oops sorry, cant resist =) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:42 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no > substitutes,original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal > Manor of *Portland*. > Which ain?t in Oregon, ain?t in Maine. It is on the South coast of > England,which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and > Northern Ireland, the > well-known 51st state of the US! > > By the way ? we have got a building here called Pennsylvania > Castle ? I can > just see it out my window ? that was built by John Penn, grandson > of William > Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at > http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more > information. > Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you > colonials are still talking to me, that is. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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He could then have any Nakamichi machine he wanted, even the TT! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > ha ha ha ... is that you, Johnnie Walker, USA ? > oops sorry, cant resist =) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Walker > Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:42 am > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > > If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no > > substitutes,original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal > > Manor of *Portland*. > > Which ain?t in Oregon, ain?t in Maine. It is on the South coast of > > England,which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and > > Northern Ireland, the > > well-known 51st state of the US! > > > > By the way ? we have got a building here called Pennsylvania > > Castle ? I can > > just see it out my window ? that was built by John Penn, grandson > > of William > > Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at > > http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more > > information. > > Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you > > colonials are still talking to me, that is. > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 15 19:21:16 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:21:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Thorens TD 524 or EMT 938 In-Reply-To: <001801c1fbdc$ca284c20$7f8c87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000b01c1fc34$ebf22b20$929387d9@a4s1s2> Anyone got experience of this TT in either of its guises? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 15 19:32:48 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:32:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <006801c1fc08$c6fc5c90$60756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001701c1fc36$881e3880$929387d9@a4s1s2> I still think he's the famous Johnny Walker, the BBC radio DJ, he of the leather biking gear and monster two-wheel machine, but he denies it ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 15 May 2002 01:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape He wishes. He could then have any Nakamichi machine he wanted, even the TT! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:43 AM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > ha ha ha ... is that you, Johnnie Walker, USA ? > oops sorry, cant resist =) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Walker > Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:42 am > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > > If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no > > substitutes,original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal > > Manor of *Portland*. > > Which ain?t in Oregon, ain?t in Maine. It is on the South coast of > > England,which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and > > Northern Ireland, the > > well-known 51st state of the US! > > > > By the way ? we have got a building here called Pennsylvania > > Castle ? I can > > just see it out my window ? that was built by John Penn, grandson > > of William > > Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at > > http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more > > information. > > Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you > > colonials are still talking to me, that is. > > John Walker > > Portland, UK > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 15 19:50:40 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:50:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape References: <001701c1fc36$881e3880$929387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <006901c1fc39$0789eea0$22756acf@johnnyrotten> I thought he the Whisky baron! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > I still think he's the famous Johnny Walker, the BBC radio DJ, he of the > leather biking gear and monster two-wheel machine, but he denies it ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John M. Tooley > Sent: 15 May 2002 01:05 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > > He wishes. He could then have any Nakamichi machine he wanted, even the TT! > ;-) > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 3:43 AM > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > > > > > ha ha ha ... is that you, Johnnie Walker, USA ? > > oops sorry, cant resist =) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Walker > > Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:42 am > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > > > > > If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no > > > substitutes,original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal > > > Manor of *Portland*. > > > Which ain?t in Oregon, ain?t in Maine. It is on the South coast of > > > England,which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and > > > Northern Ireland, the > > > well-known 51st state of the US! > > > > > > By the way ? we have got a building here called Pennsylvania > > > Castle ? I can > > > just see it out my window ? that was built by John Penn, grandson > > > of William > > > Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at > > > http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more > > > information. > > > Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you > > > colonials are still talking to me, that is. > > > John Walker > > > Portland, UK > > > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 15 20:02:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:02:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Johnny/Johnnie Walker In-Reply-To: <006901c1fc39$0789eea0$22756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002101c1fc3a$bac8a960$929387d9@a4s1s2> We could be BOTH right - I mean, have you seen the pair of them on a stage at the same time?? Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 15 May 2002 06:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape I thought he the Whisky baron! John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed May 15 23:07:34 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:07:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Source for Naks in Germany References: <002101c1fc3a$bac8a960$929387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000401c1fc54$89154710$3db5b742@pii366custom> I regularly receive the catalog for "Spring Air", no, NOT some new age outfit, but a source for some great quality "pre-owned" audio gear in Germany, and they ship worldwide, take credit cards and speak Engish, though their website is in German, but easy enough to navigate around if you can read pictures. Mind you shipping from Germany to North America ain't cheap, but if there's something you gotta have, well, you know how it is....... Anyways, check it out. They have lots of high end turbtables, and a reasonably good selection of Naks among many other items. And they are always getting new stuff in. I have bought from them and they were reliable and professional. May be a good source for our friends on "The Continent" --Europe -- to 'Get The Nak'. http://www.springair.de -- Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 15 23:57:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:57:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rip-off Warning!!! In-Reply-To: <000401c1fc54$89154710$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <002701c1fc5b$870108e0$929387d9@a4s1s2> If any of you guys are after a superb replacement for your TT mat, see this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351812601 But DON'T pay $35 for it. I've been making TT mats out of this stuff for myself and friends for quite a few years. Captain (some of you will remember him - an old Nak brother) named it the NelsoMat! ;o) The cost is a fraction of the price you'd pay this seller from rolls of the stuff I have bought out of a local shop! Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt Thu May 16 08:32:56 2002 From: giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt (Giedrius Oginskas) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:32:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF? Message-ID: <923611392.20020516093256@saforas.lt> Hi everyone, Just have read the earlier discussions regarding BASF tapes. Does anybody can recommend the optimal bias and recording level for BASF TP IV Metal Maxima and BASF chrome range (TP-II Reference Maxima, for an instance). My DR-1 is calibrated for 'defaults' TDK/Maxell. Is there any sense to pile up some better BASF for future when I have a few bricks of MX-S already? All this is to archive my best vinyl. Best regards, Giedrius ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt Thu May 16 08:32:25 2002 From: giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt (Giedrius Oginskas) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:32:25 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF? Message-ID: <853579997.20020516093225@saforas.lt> Hi everyone, Just have read the earlier discussions regarding BASF tapes. Does anybody can recommend the optimal bias and recording level for BASF TP IV Metal Maxima and BASF chrome range (TP-II Reference Maxima, for an instance). My DR-1 is calibrated for 'defaults' TDK/Maxell. Is there any sense to pile up some better BASF for future when I have a few bricks of MX-S already? All this is to archive my best vinyl. Best regards, Giedrius Oginskas Phone +370 93 35231 Project Manager Mob +370 98 85969 Fax +370 93 26638 mailto:go at saforas.lt ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Thu May 16 10:08:52 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:08:52 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] Source for Naks in Germany References: <000401c1fc54$89154710$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <15226.1021536532@www20.gmx.net> >hi y`ll, my secondhand zx-9 machine wich I bought from springair is realy an exceptionally good machine, on the other hand, a zx-7 also from springair needed some repair, but the people from springair are very friendly. by the way, they have some 700zxe`s for euro799, 1000tritracers for euro399.best wishes and grüße, Thomas. I regularly receive the catalog for "Spring Air", no, NOT some new age > outfit, but a source for some great quality "pre-owned" audio gear in > Germany, and they ship worldwide, take credit cards and speak Engish, > though > their website is in German, but easy enough to navigate around if you can > read pictures. > > Mind you shipping from Germany to North America ain't cheap, but if > there's > something you gotta have, well, you know how it is....... > > Anyways, check it out. They have lots of high end turbtables, and a > reasonably good selection of Naks among many other items. And they are > always getting new stuff in. > > I have bought from them and they were reliable and professional. May be a > good source for our friends on "The Continent" --Europe -- to 'Get The > Nak'. > > http://www.springair.de > > -- Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu May 16 10:17:58 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:47:58 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF? Message-ID: <20020516081758.3E992114A84@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu May 16 10:37:19 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:37:19 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF? Message-ID: Plus EMTEC has discontinued the Metal and Chrome Maxima line. ----Original Message Follows---- From: kannan_s at vsnl.com Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF? Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:47:58 +0530 (IST) Giedrius You can use an FM intersation noise to record on the Basf tape and find the best adjustment of fine bias control for this tape - you do this by monitoring source and the recorded sound and recording should be faithful to the source. Better way is to calibrate your DR1 to Basf tape - bit involved and you require some form of Tone generator and VTVM ( or AC millivoltmeter to check the level at 20 Khz ( -20dB level)as well as modifying internal preset positions to tune bias and level for your Basf tape - not recommended unless you had worked with Electronics and understand what Bias and level adjustment would do to your DR1! Generally fine bias would do to get very decent recording on any Nak 3 head.And from Stephen' earlier posting MAxell MX-S tape is not much off from TDK -MA and hence a better choice than trying a new tape for archiving purposes Kannan giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt wrote Hi everyone, Just have read the earlier discussions regarding BASF tapes. Does anybody can recommend the optimal bias and recording level for BASF TP IV Metal Maxima and BASF chrome range (TP-II Reference Maxima, for an instance). My DR-1 is calibrated for 'defaults' TDK/Maxell. Is there any sense to pile up some better BASF for future when I have a few bricks of MX-S already? All this is to archive my best vinyl. Best regards, Giedrius Oginskas Phone +370 93 35231 Project Manager Mob +370 98 85969 Fax +370 93 26638 mailto:go at saforas.lt ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 16 14:38:55 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:38:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Totally OT: The painter Message-ID: <3CE3A85F.EEFB12D@concentric.net> I received this email today. Thought it was hilarious... -- Ron This painter called Jock was very interested in making a penny where he could, so he often would thin down paint to make it go a wee bit further. As it happened, he got away with this for some time. Eventually, the Baptist Church decided to do a big restoration job on the painting of one of their biggest buildings. Jock put in a bid, and because his price was so low, he got the job. And so he set to erecting the trestles and setting up the planks and buying the paint and, yes, I am sorry to say, thinning it down with turpentine. Well, Jock was up on the scaffolding, painting away, the job nearly completed when suddenly there was a horrendous clap of thunder, the sky opened and the rain poured down, washing the thinned paint from all over the church and knocking Jock clear off the scaffold to land on the lawn among the gravestones, surrounded by telltale puddles of the thinned and useless paint. Jock was no fool. He knew this was a judgment from the Almighty, so he got on his knees and cried: "Oh, God! Forgive me! What should I do?" And from the thunder, a mighty voice spoke... (you're going to love this) "Repaint! Repaint! and thin no more!" Ouch .I'm outta here ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 16 14:54:50 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:54:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rip-off Warning!!! References: <002701c1fc5b$870108e0$929387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CE3AC1A.85571B9B@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > If any of you guys are after a superb replacement for your TT mat, see this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351812601 > > But DON'T pay $35 for it. I've been making TT mats out of this stuff for > myself and friends for quite a few years. Captain (some of you will > remember him - an old Nak brother) named it the NelsoMat! ;o) The cost > is a fraction of the price you'd pay this seller from rolls of the stuff I > have bought out of a local shop! > > Graham > Graham, I am curious -- what is 'this stuff'? Seems to me, a mat should do two things. First, the material should be conducting, to eliminate static. Second, the material should be yielding (similar to Sorbothane) to stabilize the record. Does 'this stuff' meet these criteria? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 16 19:16:05 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:16:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Rip-off Warning!!! In-Reply-To: <3CE3AC1A.85571B9B@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c1fcfd$5cedd360$5ea987d9@a4s1s2> Ron I think it does all those things and more ... more in that it has significant non-slip properties so that the record is gripped to the platter but without distorting the shape of the record as may be the case with an over zealously applied record clamp. Unlike Sorbothane, it appears not to roll-off the top end. One of my friends uses my mats on all his TT and won't let his Sorbo mats anywhere near them anymore. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 16 May 2002 01:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Rip-off Warning!!! Graham Nelson wrote: > > If any of you guys are after a superb replacement for your TT mat, see this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351812601 > > But DON'T pay $35 for it. I've been making TT mats out of this stuff for > myself and friends for quite a few years. Captain (some of you will > remember him - an old Nak brother) named it the NelsoMat! ;o) The cost > is a fraction of the price you'd pay this seller from rolls of the stuff I > have bought out of a local shop! > > Graham > Graham, I am curious -- what is 'this stuff'? Seems to me, a mat should do two things. First, the material should be conducting, to eliminate static. Second, the material should be yielding (similar to Sorbothane) to stabilize the record. Does 'this stuff' meet these criteria? -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 16 19:22:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 18:22:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Totally OT: The painter In-Reply-To: <3CE3A85F.EEFB12D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000a01c1fcfe$526618c0$5ea987d9@a4s1s2> Brilliant, Ron!!! I can't top that but I will give you this ... Q: Where do you go to weigh a pie??? Your groans will probably be heard all over the World when you see the answer .... A: Somewhere over the rainbow .... Geddit? No? Try singing the Judy Garland song! ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.361 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu May 16 20:14:32 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:14:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Waaaaaay Off Topic.............. References: <000a01c1fcfe$526618c0$5ea987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <008f01c1fd05$87244710$3db5b742@pii366custom> This must be "Humor Day" on NakTalk. Oh well here's my contribution: ==================================== The Enron Voice Mail System, 2002 (Turn on your speakers) http://www.witcity.com/enron/ ==================================== Got a letter from Aunt Martha the other day. She writes... The other day I went up to a local Christian bookstore and saw a "honk if you love Jesus" bumper sticker. I was feeling particularly sassy that day because I had just come from a thrilling choir performance, followed by a thunderous prayer meeting, so I bought the sticker and put it on my bumper. Boy, I'm glad I did! What an uplifting experience that followed! I was stopped at a red light at a busy intersection, just lost in thought about the Lord and how good He is... and I didn't notice that the light had changed. It is a good thing someone else loves Jesus because if he hadn't honked, I'd never have noticed! I found that LOTS of people love Jesus! Why, while I was sitting there, the guy behind started honking like crazy, and then he leaned out of his window and screamed, "For the love of GOD! GO! GO! Jesus Christ, GO!" What an exuberant cheerleader he was for Jesus! Everyone started honking! I just leaned out of my window and started waving and smiling at all these loving people. I even honked my horn few times to share in the love! There must have been a man from Florida back there because I heard him yelling something about a "sunny beach"... I saw another guy waving in a funny way with only his middle finger stuck up in the air. Then I asked my teenage son in the back seat what that meant, he said that it was probably a Hawaiian good luck sign or something. Well, I've never met anyone from Hawaii, so I leaned out the window and gave him the good luck sign back. My son burst out laughing...why, even he was enjoying this religious experience! A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of the moment that they got out of their cars and started walking towards me. I bet they wanted to pray or ask what church I attended, but this is when I noticed the light had changed. So, I waved to all my sisters and brothers grinning, and drove on through the intersection. I noticed I was the only car that got through the intersection before the light changed again and I felt kind of sad that I had to leave them after all the love we had shared, so I slowed the car down, leaned out of the window and gave them all the Hawaiian good luck sign one last time as I drove away. Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu May 16 20:22:44 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:22:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <211c2f21382c.21382c211c2f@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: Sorry - that one just flew waaaayyyy over my head. Is there something I need to know about my name (apart from the whisky, and the inventor of the match, and the NZ athlete, the US spy and all the other namesakes)? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sent: Wednesday, 15 May, 2002 08:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape ha ha ha ... is that you, Johnnie Walker, USA ? oops sorry, cant resist =) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker Date: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:42 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] Order : The Marathon Tape > If you mean me, then I live in the one and only, accept no > substitutes,original, we thought of it first, Island and Royal > Manor of *Portland*. > Which ain?t in Oregon, ain?t in Maine. It is on the South coast of > England,which is in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and > Northern Ireland, the > well-known 51st state of the US! > > By the way ? we have got a building here called Pennsylvania > Castle ? I can > just see it out my window ? that was built by John Penn, grandson > of William > Penn, founder of some place called Pennsylvania. Go look at > http://www.portland-royalmanor.com/architecture.htm for more > information. > Oh, and I would still like to participate in the tape, if any of you > colonials are still talking to me, that is. > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 16 21:00:02 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:00:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Totally OT: The painter References: <000a01c1fcfe$526618c0$5ea987d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CE401B2.FE21C6B6@concentric.net> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Brilliant, Ron!!! I can't top that but I will give you this ... > > Q: Where do you go to weigh a pie??? > > Your groans will probably be heard all over the World when you see the > answer .... > > A: Somewhere over the rainbow .... > > Geddit? No? Try singing the Judy Garland song! > > ;o) > Me God, you're baaad!!! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 16 21:26:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 20:26:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RON In-Reply-To: <3CE3A85F.EEFB12D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <000401c1fd0f$8d79efc0$66bf87d9@a4s1s2> My e-mails to you seem to be failing. Have you received my request for your address?? Graham / --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu May 16 21:40:51 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:40:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Totally OT: another one References: <3CE3A85F.EEFB12D@concentric.net> Message-ID: <002601c1fd11$965c7e80$5cf63fd0@oemcomputer> A 50 year old texas millionare decides to spoil himself and get a new fast italian car. He takes it out for a drive on the interstate and luxuriates in the comfort and stability of the car. As time goes by he starts to go faster and faster. Passing fifty and then sixty all the way up to 100 mph. In his rear view mirror he see's a state trooper. Thinking his car is super fast he speeds up to 120mph. After a while though he gets bogged down in traffic and the trooper catches up with him and pulls him over. The trooper walks up to him and enquires " Did you not see my flashing lights? why did you speed up?" The oil man pauses and says " You see officer last week my wife ran off with a handsome state trooper not unlike yourself. And I was afraid he was trying to bring her back" Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu May 16 23:00:32 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:00:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ReVoX B215 Message-ID: <000801c1fd1c$b82f6530$77021fac@brianm> It seems there is some interest in these decks by some on here. $575. http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?misccass&1026702174&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raah at concentric.net Thu May 16 23:08:57 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:08:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RON References: <000401c1fd0f$8d79efc0$66bf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CE41FE9.E8B8506A@concentric.net> Hey, Graham, No, I haven't. Did you email to ra.ah at rcn.com ? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > My e-mails to you seem to be failing. Have you received my request for your > address?? > > Graham > > / > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Thu May 16 23:14:59 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:14:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Totally OT: another one References: <3CE3A85F.EEFB12D@concentric.net> <002601c1fd11$965c7e80$5cf63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CE42153.559A5504@concentric.net> Brings to mind the following: A state trooper pulls over a car for speeding. An older lady sitting in the back seat says, "That's right, officer, write him up. That'll teach him to drive carefully". The trooper raises a quizzical eyebrow at the driver, who says, "My mother in law, I am taking her to the airport, she's leaving for an extended vacation". The trooper clicks his book shut: "drive along, Sir". Warren wrote: > > A 50 year old texas millionare decides to spoil himself and get a new > fast italian car. He takes it out for a drive on the interstate and > luxuriates > in the comfort and stability of the car. > As time goes by he starts to go faster and faster. Passing fifty and then > sixty > all the way up to 100 mph. In his rear view mirror he see's a state trooper. > Thinking his car is super fast he speeds up to 120mph. > After a while though he gets bogged down in traffic and the trooper > catches up with him and pulls him over. > The trooper walks up to him and enquires " Did you not see my flashing > lights? > why did you speed up?" The oil man pauses and says " You see officer last > week > my wife ran off with a handsome state trooper not unlike yourself. And I was > afraid he was trying to bring her back" > > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 17 00:21:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:21:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RON In-Reply-To: <3CE41FE9.E8B8506A@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001c01c1fd28$1755c260$66bf87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Ron The raah at concentric.net address is the one that keeps failing, I think. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 16 May 2002 10:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RON Hey, Graham, No, I haven't. Did you email to ra.ah at rcn.com ? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > My e-mails to you seem to be failing. Have you received my request for your > address?? > > Graham > > / > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri May 17 03:10:31 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:10:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC! - DVD Message-ID: <008501c1fd3f$a42d1730$2f756acf@johnrotten> DVD talk inspired Naktalk folks awhile back. I just came across this:- .................................................................................................................... From: "Gary Davis" Subject: Apex DVD Players Reply-to: gdavisloop at earthlink.net Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:44:56 -0700 By far the best Apex model to get now is the AD-1500. It's sold for as low as $65 and has a number of tricks I'll explain later. But unfortunately, it's been replaced by cheaper models (AD-1200 and AD-1100) which aren't nearly as good. In addition to playing DVDs and MP3s, the AD-1500 can play all forms of VCD and SVCD, including, the so-called CD-DVD format which records an SVCD at 4X speed and 5Mbps to give true DVD- quality (for 20 minutes). The AD-1500 is said to work only marginally with so-called Mini-DVDs, which is the actual DVD format recorded onto a CD. I'm pretty sure it will play back PAL discs as NTSC, but I haven't actually tried this. In order to defeat macrovision and regional coding, you need an AD- 1500 with a serial number beginning A,B,C, or D. If you find one in a store you can check this, but it's much harder if you're buying mail order. With these models, you can "flash" the ROM software simply by burning a disc with the correct software and loading it into the slot - no need to dissasemble the machine! Many people are selling this model on E-bay with the "hack" already complete, but the bidding process frustrates me. However, I found one dealer who will sell them "off-ebay" for $100, shipped, PayPal credit-card price. He sent me a machine that looked like it was factory packed, but the hack was already in place. I have no affilliation other than buying a machine from this person; his email is: disneyshopper at prodigy.net As always, you can go to www.nerd-out.com/apex for lots of Apex information. Select discussion groups, then AD-1000/AD-1500 for more info on this model. --Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt Fri May 17 13:27:50 2002 From: giedrius.oginskas at saforas.lt (Giedrius Oginskas) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:27:50 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF In-Reply-To: <200205161356.PAA23635@zebra.naks.com> References: <200205161356.PAA23635@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <1272143365.20020517142750@saforas.lt> Thanks for the guides. I'll try to experiment. Just found a reference book for cassettes. Best regards, Giedrius Thursday, May 16, 2002, 4:56:16 PM, you wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:47:58 +0530 (IST) > From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] bias/rec. levels for BASF? > Giedrius > You can use an FM intersation noise to record on the Basf tape and > find the best adjustment of fine bias control for this tape - you do > this by monitoring source and the recorded sound and recording should > be faithful to the source. Better way is to calibrate your DR1 to > Basf tape - bit involved and you require some form of Tone generator > and VTVM ( or AC millivoltmeter to check the level at 20 Khz ( -20dB > level)as well as modifying internal preset positions to tune bias and > level for your Basf tape - not recommended unless you had worked with > Electronics and understand what Bias and level adjustment would do to > your DR1! > Generally fine bias would do to get very decent recording on any Nak > 3 head.And from Stephen' earlier posting MAxell MX-S tape is not much > off from TDK -MA and hence a better choice than trying a new tape for > archiving purposes > Kannan ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From raah at concentric.net Fri May 17 14:49:48 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:49:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC! - DVD References: <008501c1fd3f$a42d1730$2f756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3CE4FC6C.1AE45708@concentric.net> Apex DVD players have been a well publicized secret for a long time now. These are low cost, entry level machines, that somehow violate the DVD license agreement that other manufacturers supposedly abide by. Some models will ignore region codes and MacroVision right out of the box, others will take a 'hack' to accomplish this. (There are also hacks for many other players, from almost all other manufacturers. Apex players are an excellent deal for those that want the cheapest player, are attracted by all-region plus no MacroVision 'attribute' and are willing to accept minimal features and lower picture quality. There was also some talk of poor reliability of some models -- since I wasn't interested, I remember no details. Anyone interested will find a ton of information in the web site referenced by John, below. Personally, I am in the market right now for a higher end DVD player -- one that will excel in playing CDs, hopefully replace my trusty CD player as well as my low end DVD player and thus free a much needed shelf in my equipment tower. I was all set to get the Denon DVM-4800, a 5-disc carousel player with excellent sound and superlative picture. I actually brought one home (cost: almost $1100), but got turned off by its piss poor ergonomics, so I took it back. I am now mulling over this decision, playing with the idea of getting an even better player -- but no carousel -- for more or less the same price. -- Ron > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > DVD talk inspired Naktalk folks awhile back. I just came > across this:- > .................................................................................................................... > From: "Gary Davis" > Subject: Apex DVD Players > Reply-to: gdavisloop at earthlink.net > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:44:56 -0700 > > By far the best Apex model to get now is the AD-1500. > It's sold for > as low as $65 and has a number of tricks I'll explain > later. But > unfortunately, it's been replaced by cheaper models > (AD-1200 and > AD-1100) which aren't nearly as good. > > In addition to playing DVDs and MP3s, the AD-1500 can play > all > forms of VCD and SVCD, including, the so-called CD-DVD > format > which records an SVCD at 4X speed and 5Mbps to give true > DVD- > quality (for 20 minutes). The AD-1500 is said to work > only > marginally with so-called Mini-DVDs, which is the actual > DVD > format recorded onto a CD. > > I'm pretty sure it will play back PAL discs as NTSC, but I > haven't > actually tried this. > > In order to defeat macrovision and regional coding, you > need an AD- > 1500 with a serial number beginning A,B,C, or D. If you > find one in > a store you can check this, but it's much harder if you're > buying > mail order. With these models, you can "flash" the ROM > software > simply by burning a disc with the correct software and > loading it > into the slot - no need to dissasemble the machine! > > Many people are selling this model on E-bay with the > "hack" > already complete, but the bidding process frustrates me. > However, > I found one dealer who will sell them "off-ebay" for $100, > shipped, > PayPal credit-card price. He sent me a machine that > looked like it > was factory packed, but the hack was already in place. > > I have no affilliation other than buying a machine from > this person; > his email is: disneyshopper at prodigy.net > > As always, you can go to www.nerd-out.com/apex > for lots of Apex information. Select discussion groups, > then > AD-1000/AD-1500 for more info on this model. > > --Gary ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri May 17 15:31:46 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:31:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC! - DVD References: <008501c1fd3f$a42d1730$2f756acf@johnrotten> <3CE4FC6C.1AE45708@concentric.net> Message-ID: <004701c1fda7$31ad6ee0$b0021fac@brianm> Ron, I have NO idea if it's any good or not, but I believe McIntosh makes a CD/DVD player. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC! - DVD > > Apex DVD players have been a well publicized secret for > a long time now. These are low cost, entry level machines, > that somehow violate the DVD license agreement that other > manufacturers supposedly abide by. Some models will ignore > region codes and MacroVision right out of the box, others > will take a 'hack' to accomplish this. (There are also > hacks for many other players, from almost all other > manufacturers. > > Apex players are an excellent deal for those that want the > cheapest player, are attracted by all-region plus no > MacroVision 'attribute' and are willing to accept minimal > features and lower picture quality. There was also some > talk of poor reliability of some models -- since I wasn't > interested, I remember no details. Anyone interested will > find a ton of information in the web site referenced by > John, below. > > Personally, I am in the market right now for a higher end > DVD player -- one that will excel in playing CDs, > hopefully replace my trusty CD player as well as my low > end DVD player and thus free a much needed shelf in my > equipment tower. I was all set to get the Denon DVM-4800, > a 5-disc carousel player with excellent sound and > superlative picture. I actually brought one home (cost: > almost $1100), but got turned off by its piss poor > ergonomics, so I took it back. I am now mulling over > this decision, playing with the idea of getting an even > better player -- but no carousel -- for more or less the > same price. > > -- Ron > > > > > "John M. Tooley" wrote: > > > > DVD talk inspired Naktalk folks awhile back. I just came > > across this:- > > ............................................................................ ........................................ > > From: "Gary Davis" > > Subject: Apex DVD Players > > Reply-to: gdavisloop at earthlink.net > > Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 03:44:56 -0700 > > > > By far the best Apex model to get now is the AD-1500. > > It's sold for > > as low as $65 and has a number of tricks I'll explain > > later. But > > unfortunately, it's been replaced by cheaper models > > (AD-1200 and > > AD-1100) which aren't nearly as good. > > > > In addition to playing DVDs and MP3s, the AD-1500 can play > > all > > forms of VCD and SVCD, including, the so-called CD-DVD > > format > > which records an SVCD at 4X speed and 5Mbps to give true > > DVD- > > quality (for 20 minutes). The AD-1500 is said to work > > only > > marginally with so-called Mini-DVDs, which is the actual > > DVD > > format recorded onto a CD. > > > > I'm pretty sure it will play back PAL discs as NTSC, but I > > haven't > > actually tried this. > > > > In order to defeat macrovision and regional coding, you > > need an AD- > > 1500 with a serial number beginning A,B,C, or D. If you > > find one in > > a store you can check this, but it's much harder if you're > > buying > > mail order. With these models, you can "flash" the ROM > > software > > simply by burning a disc with the correct software and > > loading it > > into the slot - no need to dissasemble the machine! > > > > Many people are selling this model on E-bay with the > > "hack" > > already complete, but the bidding process frustrates me. > > However, > > I found one dealer who will sell them "off-ebay" for $100, > > shipped, > > PayPal credit-card price. He sent me a machine that > > looked like it > > was factory packed, but the hack was already in place. > > > > I have no affilliation other than buying a machine from > > this person; > > his email is: disneyshopper at prodigy.net > > > > As always, you can go to www.nerd-out.com/apex > > for lots of Apex information. Select discussion groups, > > then > > AD-1000/AD-1500 for more info on this model. > > > > --Gary > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri May 17 19:41:59 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:41:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OFF TOPIC! References: <008501c1fd3f$a42d1730$2f756acf@johnrotten> <3CE4FC6C.1AE45708@concentric.net> Message-ID: <001401c1fdca$25551a80$3db5b742@pii366custom> Sent this out last night but must have got lost in space: ======================== While we're still OT here's one more for you...you'll need RealPlayer --Roland http://webhome.idirect.com/~ruajw2/bin-loser.mpg ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri May 17 23:15:25 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:15:25 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <3CE1900E.384D5D4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CE572ED.000007.00556@CopyTech> Well,Ron, I love classical too but the change is so drastic, hell, anyway, if you want to record your aria go and do it my friend ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 09:54:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, I have one comment, on item (2): why not classical? I was toying with the idea of recording an aria from 'The Beautiful Voice' with Renee Fleming. It's no big deal, either way, but why not be versatile? -- Ron El Magnifico wrote: > Hello Fellows: I think that the Marathon Tape issue is getting a little complicated as far as logistics is concerned. At this moment, with all the persons interested, 1 C-90 tape is not enough. We'll have to include a second one, or perhaps one will go to USA, Canada, England, Australia and the other from Moscow, Belgium, Africa, Indonesia etc ... We can almost full a whole C-90 with the guys from USA alone. Once both tapes are recorded, I'll make a final version for the participants including a representation from all the countries involved. RULES: 1- Tunes no longer than 5 minutes2- Jazz, Blues, Rock, Pop is ok, other than that would be for next time3- Each member must pay his own postal fee. I know that private carriers are costlier but unfortunately, if you want to play you have to spend in the most secure carrier you can afford.4- NO DOLBY or any NRU would be used.5- Please, keep levels as near as the original song: +4 db with ocassional +5/6 peaks.6- You'll inform the list at the receival and sending phase.7- We'll try to keep all Nakamichi, but, if you prefer other deck: I don't care.8- You can include additional material if you want or perhaps you may want to share trough this way for the benefit of all members.9- We'll use a custom loaded cassette with Maxell XL-II tape inside done at my plant.10- You can listen the whole tape before recording your part and leave it on cue for the next person.11- No problem about notifying the media about this Marathon Tape. Anything else will be well received. Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best, Michael E DeWire -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Importance: High Hello Fellows: I think that the Marathon Tape issue is getting a little complicated as far as logistics is concerned. At this moment, with all the persons interested, 1 C-90 tape is not enough. We'll have to include a second one, or perhaps one will go to USA, Canada, England, Australia and the other from Moscow, Belgium, Africa, Indonesia etc ... We can almost full a whole C-90 with the guys from USA alone. Once both tapes are recorded, I'll make a final version for the participants including a representation from all the countries involved. RULES: 1- Tunes no longer than 5 minutes 2- Jazz, Blues, Rock, Pop is ok, other than that would be for next time 3- Each member must pay his own postal fee. I know that private carriers are costlier but unfortunately, if you want to play you have to spend in the most secure carrier you can afford. 4- NO DOLBY or any NRU would be used. 5- Please, keep levels as near as the original song: +4 db with ocassional +5/6 peaks. 6- You'll inform the list at the receival and sending phase. 7- We'll try to keep all Nakamichi, but, if you prefer other deck: I don't care. 8- You can include additional material if you want or perhaps you may want to share trough this way for the benefit of all members. 9- We'll use a custom loaded cassette with Maxell XL-II tape inside done at my plant. 10- You can listen the whole tape before recording your part and leave it on cue for the next person. 11- No problem about notifying the media about this Marathon Tape. Anything else will be well received. Carlos IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 08:02:20 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape Been a fly-on-the-wall through this marathon inception & I must say what an intriguing idea that started out honoring the endangered medium at hand & is now exploring very human issues that reveal themselves in the process. I'm sure that the positive energy generated by all this will help make it a sucessful endeavor. Though I just as soon leave this undertaking to the more serious veterans of naktalk (besides not having a worthy deck in my posession yet), I would very much like to obtain a copy of the tape when finished. I'll try to keep up with your progress on this, but keep me in mind, if possible, for to hear the end result of your efforts. regards, all andy -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:23 +0100 From: "Graham Nelson" Subject: [naktalk] Nak Brotherhood I very much favour the participation of our Nak brothers in the more "difficult" countries, even if there are delays, because this is symbolic of the struggle we all have in keeping our beloved machines in a good working condition.... sometimes it takes time, sometimes dogged tenacity and sometimes we cannot succeed. So, I would prefer we show some of that same measure of patience and tenacity because this CAN succeed even if not the first time we try it! This is also a way by which we can all share the same emotions at the same time, in unison, of success or disappointment, further cementing the brotherhood whatever happens! Let's keep everyone in the loop that wants to be in it. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri May 17 23:13:56 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:13:56 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape References: <004401c1fb93$3e636470$54756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3CE57294.000004.00556@CopyTech> No, I can go lower than that ... -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 09:28:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape Carlos has the duplicating plant. How many do you need run off, 1000-5000 units? ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dundis, Andy" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] RE: Nak Brotherhood & the Marathon Tape > Been a fly-on-the-wall through this marathon inception & I must say what an > intriguing idea that started out honoring the endangered medium at hand & is > now exploring very human issues that reveal themselves in the process. I'm > sure that the positive energy generated by all this will help make it a sucessful > endeavor. Though I just as soon leave this undertaking to the more serious > veterans of naktalk (besides not having a worthy deck in my posession yet), I > would very much like to obtain a copy of the tape when finished. I'll try to > keep up with your progress on this, but keep me in mind, if possible, for to > hear the end result of your efforts. > regards, all > andy > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:05:23 +0100 > From: "Graham Nelson" > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Brotherhood > > I very much favour the participation of our Nak brothers in the more > "difficult" countries, even if there are delays, because this is symbolic of > the struggle we all have in keeping our beloved machines in a good working > condition.... sometimes it takes time, sometimes dogged tenacity and > sometimes we cannot succeed. So, I would prefer we show some of that same > measure of patience and tenacity because this CAN succeed even if not the > first time we try it! This is also a way by which we can all share the same > emotions at the same time, in unison, of success or disappointment, further > cementing the brotherhood whatever happens! Let's keep everyone in the loop > that wants to be in it. > > Graham > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 17 23:46:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:46:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3CE572ED.000007.00556@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000501c1fdec$54bd8420$ba9187d9@a4s1s2> Esp. if it's Verdi .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 17 May 2002 10:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Well,Ron, I love classical too but the change is so drastic, hell, anyway, if you want to record your aria go and do it my friend ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 09:54:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, I have one comment, on item (2): why not classical? I was toying with the idea of recording an aria from 'The Beautiful Voice' with Renee Fleming. It's no big deal, either way, but why not be versatile? -- Ron . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00018.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From raah at concentric.net Sat May 18 00:38:37 2002 From: raah at concentric.net (Ron) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:38:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Last of the red hot OTs [Fwd: Creepy history] Message-ID: <3CE5866D.80B4AE36@concentric.net> I promise, this is the last OT... What happens when a president gets elected in a year ending in "0"? Read Below... And Notice it goes in increments of 20 years. (LOOK! Year 2000 is where it lands!) 1840: William Henry Harrison (Died in Office) 1860: Abraham Lincoln (Assassinated) 1880: James A. Garfield (Assassinated) 1900: William McKinley (Assassinated) 1920: Warren G. Harding (Died in Office) 1940: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Died in Office) 1960: John F. Kennedy (Assassinated) 1980: Ronald Reagan (Survived Assassination Attempt) 2000: George W. Bush (???????) And to think that we had 2 guys duking it out in the courts to be the one elected in 2000. You might be interested in this next part. Have a history teacher explain this -- If they can: Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946. Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960. Both were particularly concerned with civil rights. Both wives lost children while living in the White House. Both were shot on a Friday. Both were shot in the head. Both were assassinated by Southerners. Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson. Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy. Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln. Lincoln was shot at the theater named 'Ford.' Kennedy was shot in a car called a 'Lincoln' made by Ford Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908. John Wilkes Booth, who assassinated Lincoln, was born in 1839. Lee Harvey Oswald, who assassinated Kennedy, was born in 1939. Booth ran from the theater and was caught in a warehouse. Oswald ran from a warehouse and was caught in a theater. Both assassins were known by their three names. Both names are composed of fifteen letters. Both Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials. And here's the kicker: A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland. A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Marilyn, Monroe. Creepy, huh? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri May 17 06:39:36 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 21:39:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Another one.................... References: <001c01c1fd28$1755c260$66bf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000801c1fd5c$d9058240$3db5b742@pii366custom> While we're still OT here's one more for you...you'll need RealPlayer --Roland http://webhome.idirect.com/~ruajw2/bin-loser.mpg ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Sat May 18 12:14:10 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:14:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Source for Naks in Germany References: <000401c1fc54$89154710$3db5b742@pii366custom> <15226.1021536532@www20.gmx.net> Message-ID: <005001c1fe54$c0e62220$835c33d5@kampe1.ov.nl.home.com> Hi, I decided to drive from the netherlands to germany to buy the Nak CA5 and PA5 amplifiers from Spring Air. They work great , and what a lot of high end they have there ! The Naks sounds very good and look as they where new. Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fischer" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Source for Naks in Germany > >hi y`ll, > my secondhand zx-9 machine wich I bought from springair is realy an > exceptionally good machine, on the other hand, a zx-7 also from springair needed some > repair, but the people from springair are very friendly. by the way, they > have some 700zxe`s for euro799, 1000tritracers for euro399.best wishes and > grüße, Thomas. > > I regularly receive the catalog for "Spring Air", no, NOT some new age > > outfit, but a source for some great quality "pre-owned" audio gear in > > Germany, and they ship worldwide, take credit cards and speak Engish, > > though > > their website is in German, but easy enough to navigate around if you can > > read pictures. > > > > Mind you shipping from Germany to North America ain't cheap, but if > > there's > > something you gotta have, well, you know how it is....... > > > > Anyways, check it out. They have lots of high end turbtables, and a > > reasonably good selection of Naks among many other items. And they are > > always getting new stuff in. > > > > I have bought from them and they were reliable and professional. May be a > > good source for our friends on "The Continent" --Europe -- to 'Get The > > Nak'. > > > > http://www.springair.de > > > > -- Roland > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > -- > GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. > http://www.gmx.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat May 18 12:38:59 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:38:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Waaaaaay Off Topic.............. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AA9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I love it! Tom Siomopoulos. > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford [SMTP:roleo at telus.net] > Sent: Friday, 17 May 2002 4:15 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Waaaaaay Off Topic.............. > > This must be "Humor Day" on NakTalk. Oh well here's my contribution: > > ==================================== > > The Enron Voice Mail System, 2002 > > (Turn on your speakers) > > http://www.witcity.com/enron/ > > > ==================================== > > Got a letter from Aunt Martha the other day. She writes... The other day I > went up to a local Christian bookstore and saw a "honk if you love Jesus" > bumper sticker. I was feeling particularly sassy that day because I had just > come from a thrilling choir performance, followed by a thunderous prayer > meeting, so I bought the sticker and put it on my bumper. Boy, I'm glad I > did! What an uplifting experience that followed! > > I was stopped at a red light at a busy intersection, just lost in thought > about the Lord and how good He is... and I didn't notice that the light had > changed. It is a good thing someone else loves Jesus because if he hadn't > honked, I'd never have noticed! > > I found that LOTS of people love Jesus! Why, while I was sitting there, the > guy behind started honking like crazy, and then he leaned out of his window > and screamed, "For the love of GOD! GO! GO! Jesus Christ, GO!" What an > exuberant cheerleader he was for Jesus! > > Everyone started honking! I just leaned out of my window and started waving > and smiling at all these loving people. I even honked my horn few times to > share in the love! There must have been a man from Florida back there > because I heard him yelling something about a "sunny beach"... I saw another > guy waving in a funny way with only his middle finger stuck up in the air. > Then I asked my teenage son in the back seat what that meant, he said that > it was probably a Hawaiian good luck sign or something. Well, I've never met > anyone from Hawaii, so I leaned out the window and gave him the good luck > sign back. My son burst out laughing...why, even he was enjoying this > religious experience! A couple of the people were so caught up in the joy of > the moment that they got out of their cars and started walking towards me. I > bet they wanted to pray or ask what church I attended, but this is when I > noticed the light had changed. > > So, I waved to all my sisters and brothers grinning, and drove on through > the intersection. I noticed I was the only car that got through the > intersection before the light changed again and I felt kind of sad that I > had to leave them after all the love we had shared, so I slowed the car > down, leaned out of the window and gave them all the Hawaiian good luck sign > one last time as I drove away. > > Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks! > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From autoconsortium at earthlink.net Sat May 18 21:16:13 2002 From: autoconsortium at earthlink.net (Alex Cagann) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:16:13 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem In-Reply-To: <088901c1fafc$965770a0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Hey Stephen and list. Sorry for lagging with my reply. Yes Stephen, you calibrated it and fixed the azimuth motor. I opened it up and pushed on the big 'wheel' that moves around the transport mechanics and it started working. It must have been stuck. So, it was just siezed and not even engaging the pinch rollers.....now working fine. Pretty strange? Alex > Didn't I service that one for you a couple of years ago? > Most likely, you've started to get some grease binding on the pinch roller > arm axles. Pop the door off, close it, hit play, then see if > either or both > pinch rollers fail to come up to meet the capstans. If either is > not making > it, it'll need servicing. If both aren't getting there, it could > simply be > the mode belt is slipping. If, with no tape inserted, it > auto-stops after a > bit, then it's just the belt, which is not too hard of a DIY job. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Hey folks. I haven't used my Dragon for a long time and over > the weekend > I > > put in a tape to play. It wouldn't move. I put in another almost brand > new > > tape, it barely moved and then the deck stopped. It will sometimes > reverse, > > but it has trouble doing so. Seems like things are bound up or > > something...weak. I know the capstans are moving...what could this be? > > > > Alex Cagann ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sat May 18 22:09:30 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:09:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] a very quiet 680zx In-Reply-To: <3CE573FA.00000D.00556@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3CE67CBA.1171.1B9AB67@localhost> To Stephen and all- I recently acquired a 680zx with the usual worn rubber parts problems. After repairing and reinstalling the mechanism, it now moves tape quite nicely, but I've caused an electronics problem. There is no sound when switched to the 'tape' position, and I'm talking when just playing back a tape. I haven't got around to calibrating the record end of it yet. When in the 'source' position, sound from the line input reaches the headphones. But, curiously enough, the meters show no signal from the source. Using the trusty O'scope and meter I've discovered that the 'Mute' line is always 'muted' when the tape / source switch is in the tape position, I've traced the offending mute line back into the logic pc board but am getting a headache trying to follow it any further. My problem is that the mute line quickly leads off toward several tangents, and the downloaded schematic I am working from really has to be squinted at very carefully to follow it. I'm operating under the assumption that I've done something stupid during my disassembly / reassembly process. Has anyone else out there had this experience with a 680ZX? I thought I'd toss this question out on the table before I cause any more ruin to these old eyes. Thanks in advance, Tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat May 18 22:12:52 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 14:12:52 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon problem References: Message-ID: <013f01c1fea8$64f197c0$483442cf@sank1> Ah, just a bit of carbon build-up in the mode drive motor. When you have a chance, get a can of silicone spray lubricant, of the type that says it's safe for electrical contacts, give a couple of quick shots into the two slots in the back of the mode drive motor. This is the small motor underneath the azimuth drive box. Then cycle it in & out of play a bunch of times. Should prevent repeat occurrences of the problem. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Cagann" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 1:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Dragon problem > Hey Stephen and list. Sorry for lagging with my reply. Yes Stephen, you > calibrated it and fixed the azimuth motor. I opened it up and pushed on the > big 'wheel' that moves around the transport mechanics and it started > working. It must have been stuck. So, it was just siezed and not even > engaging the pinch rollers.....now working fine. Pretty strange? > > Alex > > > > Didn't I service that one for you a couple of years ago? > > Most likely, you've started to get some grease binding on the pinch roller > > arm axles. Pop the door off, close it, hit play, then see if > > either or both > > pinch rollers fail to come up to meet the capstans. If either is > > not making > > it, it'll need servicing. If both aren't getting there, it could > > simply be > > the mode belt is slipping. If, with no tape inserted, it > > auto-stops after a > > bit, then it's just the belt, which is not too hard of a DIY job. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Hey folks. I haven't used my Dragon for a long time and over > > the weekend > > I > > > put in a tape to play. It wouldn't move. I put in another almost brand > > new > > > tape, it barely moved and then the deck stopped. It will sometimes > > reverse, > > > but it has trouble doing so. Seems like things are bound up or > > > something...weak. I know the capstans are moving...what could this be? > > > > > > Alex Cagann > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sun May 19 13:22:37 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:22:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 2 700 tritracers for 11 Bucks!!! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AAC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey all, I'm not sure who it was looking for a lens for their 700 tri-tracer but I came across this auction which may help... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353539470 These 2 babies don't work but wow talk about spare parts, and for the price why not! Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Mon May 20 16:54:58 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:54:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Woes Message-ID: Hey Chaps, after listening to the discussion here, and signing on at the Vinyl Solution,, I decided to give my tired old Ariston RD40 some TLC. So I cleaned the platter, wiped and re-oiled the spindle set it level etc. Unfortunately it now seems to run uneven, causing some notes to "wobble?". It's not enough to be obvious but I seem to notice it just as my attention wanders onto somthing else so I'm not convinced I have a problem (but obviously enough to write this!). I'd have thought (say changes in the belt tension) would cause it to run consistantly slow, not vary. Am I going mad? Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 20 20:35:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:35:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c2002d$1b3e6f00$d79d87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Ken Could be the belt is slipping. Before running off to buy a new belt, wipe talcum powder over the old one, make sure the tension is tight and try it again. Talcum powder is no substitute for a new belt, of course, but it's a handy way of getting a bit more play out of a worn belt! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ken Bentley Sent: 20 May 2002 03:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Woes Hey Chaps, after listening to the discussion here, and signing on at the Vinyl Solution,, I decided to give my tired old Ariston RD40 some TLC. So I cleaned the platter, wiped and re-oiled the spindle set it level etc. Unfortunately it now seems to run uneven, causing some notes to "wobble?". It's not enough to be obvious but I seem to notice it just as my attention wanders onto somthing else so I'm not convinced I have a problem (but obviously enough to write this!). I'd have thought (say changes in the belt tension) would cause it to run consistantly slow, not vary. Am I going mad? Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 21 04:50:15 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:50:15 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] a very quiet 680zx References: <3CE67CBA.1171.1B9AB67@localhost> Message-ID: <02a801c20072$3d55cc60$483442cf@sank1> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] a very quiet 680zx > To Stephen and all- > > I recently acquired a 680zx with the usual worn > rubber parts problems. After repairing and > reinstalling the mechanism, it now moves tape > quite nicely, but I've caused an electronics > problem. There is no sound when switched to > the 'tape' position, and I'm talking when just > playing back a tape. I haven't got around to > calibrating the record end of it yet. When in > the 'source' position, sound from the line input > reaches the headphones. But, curiously > enough, the meters show no signal from the > source. > > Using the trusty O'scope and meter I've > discovered that the 'Mute' line is always > 'muted' when the tape / source switch is in the > tape position, I've traced the offending mute > line back into the logic pc board but am getting > a headache trying to follow it any further. My > problem is that the mute line quickly leads off > toward several tangents, and the downloaded > schematic I am working from really has to be > squinted at very carefully to follow it. > > I'm operating under the assumption that I've > done something stupid during my disassembly > / reassembly process. Has anyone else out > there had this experience with a 680ZX? I > thought I'd toss this question out on the table > before I cause any more ruin to these old eyes. > > Thanks in advance, > > Tim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue May 21 04:54:57 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 20:54:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] a very quiet 680zx References: <3CE67CBA.1171.1B9AB67@localhost> Message-ID: <02b201c20072$e50cfaa0$483442cf@sank1> I've been trying to think of what could have happened in getting the mech in & out that would cause muting problems, but haven't thought of anything. And I've been forgetting to look at my 680ZX manual, which is at the shop. If you aren't overseas, or if you don't mind the phone bill, I'd be happy to have a look at the manual while on the phone with you. You can reach me there usually between 11am & 6pm mountain time(2hrs earlier than eastern) at the number below. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] a very quiet 680zx > To Stephen and all- > > I recently acquired a 680zx with the usual worn > rubber parts problems. After repairing and > reinstalling the mechanism, it now moves tape > quite nicely, but I've caused an electronics > problem. There is no sound when switched to > the 'tape' position, and I'm talking when just > playing back a tape. I haven't got around to > calibrating the record end of it yet. When in > the 'source' position, sound from the line input > reaches the headphones. But, curiously > enough, the meters show no signal from the > source. > > Using the trusty O'scope and meter I've > discovered that the 'Mute' line is always > 'muted' when the tape / source switch is in the > tape position, I've traced the offending mute > line back into the logic pc board but am getting > a headache trying to follow it any further. My > problem is that the mute line quickly leads off > toward several tangents, and the downloaded > schematic I am working from really has to be > squinted at very carefully to follow it. > > I'm operating under the assumption that I've > done something stupid during my disassembly > / reassembly process. Has anyone else out > there had this experience with a 680ZX? I > thought I'd toss this question out on the table > before I cause any more ruin to these old eyes. > > Thanks in advance, > > Tim > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings back fond recording memories! I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue May 21 16:22:30 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 10:22:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Green pens and cd's make a come back References: <000801c200c9$a477db20$7a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <008801c200d2$f0ea1500$d8ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Remember when green markers and cd's were all the rage well it seems markers and cd's are back for a new reason http://webcenter.newssearch.netscape.com/aolns_display.adp?key=2002052013080 00270271_aolns.src Monday, Reuters obtained an ordinary copy of Celine Dion's newest release "A New Day Has Come," which comes embedded with Sony's "Key2Audio" technology. After an initial attempt to play the disc on a PC resulted in failure, the edge of the shiny side of the disc was blackened out with a felt tip marker. The second attempt with the marked-up CD played and copied to the hard drive without a hitch. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 21 18:31:56 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:31:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Green pens and cd's make a come back References: <000801c200c9$a477db20$7a021fac@brianm> <008801c200d2$f0ea1500$d8ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CEA767C.5DB967E7@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > > Remember when green markers and cd's were all the rage > well it seems markers and cd's are back for a new reason > http://webcenter.newssearch.netscape.com/aolns_display.adp?key=2002052013080 > 00270271_aolns.src > > Monday, Reuters obtained an ordinary copy of Celine Dion's newest release "A > New Day Has Come," which comes embedded with Sony's "Key2Audio" technology. > > After an initial attempt to play the disc on a PC resulted in failure, the > edge of the shiny side of the disc was blackened out with a felt tip marker. > The second attempt with the marked-up CD played and copied to the hard drive > without a hitch. Yep, I saw that, too. Turns out the anti copy info is put at the end of the CD (closest to the rim), where a conventional player doesn't (hopefully) look, but a PC does. By covering this area (they covered the edge of the CD with insulation tape, but I guess a black marker is just as effective), the CD became a standard CD. This, of course, will lead to new anti copy technologies, that will give rise to new hacks, followed by still newer technologies and so on and so forth. Reminds me of the hacks to eliminate the need for the (in)famous Windows XP validation process, the hack to remove DVD region and MacroVision 'protection', etc., etc.. Interesting world we live in, don't you think. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings back fond recording memories! I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 21 19:59:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:59:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <00c101c200d2$5af9d5d0$7a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001201c200f1$3a559200$5da187d9@a4s1s2> Brian Now, that sounds like a much more sensible idea for making CD copies of the old vinyl than the popularly recommended ' copy to MD, edit and then digital copy to CD', which seems daft to me. I mean, if one wanted to have compressed recordings where is the point in putting them onto CD? May as well copy to the MD, edit and leave them on it!! So, I really like the idea of copying max' to hard drive, e dit and THEN burn the CD. Does it have a hard drive included or do you need to get one extra (not that they cost a lot these days ...) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 21 May 2002 03:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings back fond recording memories! I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Tue May 21 20:02:19 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:02:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <00c101c200d2$5af9d5d0$7a021fac@brianm> <037801c200eb$f011ad00$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <014301c200f1$a6a31860$7a021fac@brianm> Keep us posted Stephen. I admit, it would be some time before I made a purchase such as this. Stereophile did mention that it is mostly used in the pro "circle" and that it appears to be the savior of their company. They also mentioned it is a very hot item. Further, as to it's performance as a player, I don't remember their exact words, something like so-so. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" quality > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would touch > one. > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if I > can get a look under the hood for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > back fond recording memories! > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue May 21 20:45:11 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:45:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <001201c200f1$3a559200$5da187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <015301c200f7$a44e6b40$7a021fac@brianm> Graham, It has the hard drive within it. Quote: Hard-drive recorder with OS 2.00, 4.3-gigabyte hard drive (as reviewed, current production offers 20GB), 4x CD-R recorder and analog to digital I/O. Definately a great way to convert your LP's! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Brian Now, that sounds like a much more sensible idea for making CD copies of the old vinyl than the popularly recommended ' copy to MD, edit and then digital copy to CD', which seems daft to me. I mean, if one wanted to have compressed recordings where is the point in putting them onto CD? May as well copy to the MD, edit and leave them on it!! So, I really like the idea of copying max' to hard drive, e dit and THEN burn the CD. Does it have a hard drive included or do you need to get one extra (not that they cost a lot these days ...) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 21 May 2002 03:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings back fond recording memories! I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Tue May 21 21:55:31 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:55:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <015301c200f7$a44e6b40$7a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000201c20101$774f5c80$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> What's really cool w/ the 'stand-alone' recorders, is that it is really easy to put in track numbers. I had a number of live recordings that I wanted to put on CD. On the computer, I was making separate files, fading in and out, ect. W/ the recorder, just hit the record button while u are recording and the track is numbered. Very easy and convenient. Just make sure u get it right though. If u screw up, here comes another coaster. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Graham, It has the hard drive within it. Quote: Hard-drive recorder with OS 2.00, 4.3-gigabyte hard drive (as reviewed, current production offers 20GB), 4x CD-R recorder and analog to digital I/O. Definately a great way to convert your LP's! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Brian Now, that sounds like a much more sensible idea for making CD copies of the old vinyl than the popularly recommended ' copy to MD, edit and then digital copy to CD', which seems daft to me. I mean, if one wanted to have compressed recordings where is the point in putting them onto CD? May as well copy to the MD, edit and leave them on it!! So, I really like the idea of copying max' to hard drive, e dit and THEN burn the CD. Does it have a hard drive included or do you need to get one extra (not that they cost a lot these days ...) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 21 May 2002 03:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings back fond recording memories! I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 21 23:15:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:15:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <00c101c200d2$5af9d5d0$7a021fac@brianm> <037801c200eb$f011ad00$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CEAB8EA.B10E7ADD@rcn.com> Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially the same price. Am I missing something here? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" quality > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would touch > one. > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if I > can get a look under the hood for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > back fond recording memories! > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue May 21 23:52:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:52:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <3CEAB8EA.B10E7ADD@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002c01c20111$daeafbe0$5da187d9@a4s1s2> I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical knowledge. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially the same price. Am I missing something here? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" quality > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would touch > one. > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if I > can get a look under the hood for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > back fond recording memories! > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 22 01:02:05 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:02:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <002c01c20111$daeafbe0$5da187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CEAD1ED.D9EFADC8@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told ... True, but I figured that into the cost. Otherwise, the PC is substantially cheaper then the Alesis. For example, I have recently put a PC together for my wife. This is a fairly high-end machine, an absolute overkill for just mastering CDs. It cost under $650, not including a monitor, keyboard and mouse (another $200 would take care of these, most of which you can save by giving up on amenities not required for CD recording). There'd be some additional savings in the future, since blank media for PCs is a lot cheaper than the same media for home CD recorders. > - and the noise/interference from within the PC also > corrupting the process. Not with a good quality card, it won't. These cards are designed to deal with this environment. Don't forget, the signal is fed to the sound card where it is immediately digitized. Following the ADC, it is in digital form -- something a PC feels very comfortable handling. > However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. I'll agree that using a PC could be more difficult. However, the required effort is not beyond the capabilities of most adults (and *all* children). I feel the effort is well worth the advantages. Just my $0.02, -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > quality > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > touch > > one. > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > I > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > be > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > Maybe > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > back fond recording memories! > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > 16-, > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > can > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > fade-ins > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erik at lotspeich.org Wed May 22 01:04:23 2002 From: erik at lotspeich.org (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:04:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <002c01c20111$daeafbe0$5da187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Graham, It is definitely true that most PC sounds cards are of substandard quality. Even if they have a good DAC or ADC, they are often crippled by poor amplifier quality. And even if the manufacturers addressed these issues, there is the problem of noise and interference. The fundamental issues can only truly be addressed by building the majority of the audio circuitry outside of the computer case. Take a look at the new Sound Blaster Extigy which is an external sound card that interfaces over USB. I think that this device will alleviate most of the concerns that you all have. I regularly use my computer to burn Audio CDs that I have ripped from CDs that I own (I don't do MP3s) in order to create "mix" CDs the way people made mix tapes in the past. I would strongly recommend a high-quality CD Burner such as a Plextor or a Plextor. SCSI drives work best. Plextor drives will create the highest-quality audio CDs. With the right software, all of the modern CD features such as variable pre-gap, CD Text, and CDDB indexing can be preserved. The biggest advantage of using a computer CD burner is that you don't have to use those outrageously expensive CD Audio CD-R disks. You can choose from the best disks available (Mitsui) without having to pay more for lesser-quality CD-R disks. Hope this helps, Erik. On Tue, 21 May 2002, Graham Nelson wrote: > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > quality > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > touch > > one. > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > I > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > be > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > Maybe > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > back fond recording memories! > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > 16-, > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > can > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > fade-ins > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Otherwise, the PC is substantially cheaper then the Alesis. For example, I have recently put a PC together for my wife. This is a fairly high-end machine, an absolute overkill for just mastering CDs. It cost under $650, not including a monitor, keyboard and mouse (another $200 would take care of these, most of which you can save by giving up on amenities not required for CD recording). There'd be some additional savings in the future, since blank media for PCs is a lot cheaper than the same media for home CD recorders. > - and the noise/interference from within the PC also > corrupting the process. Not with a good quality card, it won't. These cards are designed to deal with this environment. Don't forget, the signal is fed to the sound card where it is immediately digitized. Following the ADC, it is in digital form -- something a PC feels very comfortable handling. > However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. I'll agree that using a PC could be more difficult. However, the required effort is not beyond the capabilities of most adults (and *all* children). I feel the effort is well worth the advantages. Just my $0.02, -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > quality > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > touch > > one. > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > I > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > be > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > Maybe > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > back fond recording memories! > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > 16-, > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > can > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > fade-ins > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed May 22 01:21:10 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:21:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Message-ID: <20020521.194006.-468159.7.josephj69@juno.com> Just a quick note on sound cards. You have to be VERY careful with Soundblaster cards to be sure you're really getting what you think you're getting. I can't comment on the Extigy, but all of the previous cards right up to the SB Live! did something very annoying with an incoming digital signal. The cards operate internally at 44.1 kHz. Any digital signal coming in through the digital input jack is immediately converted to ANALOG, then back to digital at 44.1. Obviously, this is a serious problem if you're trying to do digital dubs off DAT. The SBs also could not do on the fly sample rate conversion. If they did, it was really a digital to analog to digital (resampled) conversion. Rightly or wrongly, I've since dismissed all SB cards as "only for video gamers." Taking the card out of the case is certainly a good idea. I use a chep outboard ADC. The difference between the outboard ADC and the internal ADC in the sound card (which is a pro audio card) is like night and day. You couldn't be more right about the Plextor SCSI drives, however. I still won't "upgrade" from my 4x speed caddy loader. As for blank computer grade CD-Rs, I've yet to find a significant difference among any of them, save some of the Memorex branded discs. Otherwise, I buy the absolute cheapest "free with rebate" blanks I can find. Still haven't found a reason to buy anything else. - Joe > Take a look at the new Sound Blaster Extigy which is an external > sound > card that interfaces over USB. I think that this device will > alleviate > most of the concerns that you all have. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed May 22 01:47:15 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:47:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: Message-ID: <009601c20121$d60fbf60$4af43fd0@oemcomputer> I know Stan Ricker uses one in his mastering facility and has had know quality control problems I'm trying to get permission to repost a review from another of my lists that goes into some detail about the reliability etc. I'll let you know Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 22 01:51:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:51:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <3CEAD1ED.D9EFADC8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003501c20122$6de168c0$5da187d9@a4s1s2> Ron Maybe you are offering me a justification to by a portable PC for burning CDs! Grinham ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 22 May 2002 12:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Graham Nelson wrote: > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told ... True, but I figured that into the cost. Otherwise, the PC is substantially cheaper then the Alesis. For example, I have recently put a PC together for my wife. This is a fairly high-end machine, an absolute overkill for just mastering CDs. It cost under $650, not including a monitor, keyboard and mouse (another $200 would take care of these, most of which you can save by giving up on amenities not required for CD recording). There'd be some additional savings in the future, since blank media for PCs is a lot cheaper than the same media for home CD recorders. > - and the noise/interference from within the PC also > corrupting the process. Not with a good quality card, it won't. These cards are designed to deal with this environment. Don't forget, the signal is fed to the sound card where it is immediately digitized. Following the ADC, it is in digital form -- something a PC feels very comfortable handling. > However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. I'll agree that using a PC could be more difficult. However, the required effort is not beyond the capabilities of most adults (and *all* children). I feel the effort is well worth the advantages. Just my $0.02, -- Ron > > Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 22 01:53:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:53:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003601c20122$add18320$5da187d9@a4s1s2> That's very interesting, Erik - thanks. I had not realised there were external soundcards. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Erik Lotspeich Sent: 22 May 2002 12:04 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Graham, It is definitely true that most PC sounds cards are of substandard quality. Even if they have a good DAC or ADC, they are often crippled by poor amplifier quality. And even if the manufacturers addressed these issues, there is the problem of noise and interference. The fundamental issues can only truly be addressed by building the majority of the audio circuitry outside of the computer case. Take a look at the new Sound Blaster Extigy which is an external sound card that interfaces over USB. I think that this device will alleviate most of the concerns that you all have. I regularly use my computer to burn Audio CDs that I have ripped from CDs that I own (I don't do MP3s) in order to create "mix" CDs the way people made mix tapes in the past. I would strongly recommend a high-quality CD Burner such as a Plextor or a Plextor. SCSI drives work best. Plextor drives will create the highest-quality audio CDs. With the right software, all of the modern CD features such as variable pre-gap, CD Text, and CDDB indexing can be preserved. The biggest advantage of using a computer CD burner is that you don't have to use those outrageously expensive CD Audio CD-R disks. You can choose from the best disks available (Mitsui) without having to pay more for lesser-quality CD-R disks. Hope this helps, Erik. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Wed May 22 01:54:40 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:54:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <002c01c20111$daeafbe0$5da187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving LPs to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at Stereophile admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not really intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will have a 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters are inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization really add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs as well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in the digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. Michael E DeWire -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical knowledge. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially the same price. Am I missing something here? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" quality > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would touch > one. > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if I > can get a look under the hood for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > back fond recording memories! > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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For instance, if you want to transfer a lp to cd, you're able to purchase software that'll allow you to "de-click," etc. I collect concert recordings on DAT and am a purist in that I don't want any shows that have been fooled around with. If I want to convert a show from DAT to CDR, all I need is to index the DATs, and it creates a corresponding track mark on the CDR (the machines are connected digitally via a coax cable). The HHB also does sample rate conversions automatically, so no worries there. There are pros and cons to both set-ups, but for my purposes, the hhb was the clear choice. Btw, I'm a long-time lurker and this is my first post (I think). Big nak fan, of course. If anybody has any questions, feel free to ask. Best wishes, Anthony ------------------------------------- "Stop this day and night with me and you shall possess the origin of all poems." ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 22 02:49:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:49:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <021001c20121$a6e99670$7a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <03c601c2012a$840576c0$483442cf@sank1> You just opened up another can of worms, Brian. It can be quite problematic to interface a phono preamp, etc. with a computer. Between power ground loop issues & pc-generated powerline noise, it could be pretty darned hard to get really top shelf results. As for soundcards, even the best of the internal ones are not immune to problems in their analog stages caused by the enormous amount of noise generated by the pc, transmitted both on the power supply lines & radiated. If you have ever looked at the DC power lines inside a pc supply, even a very well filtered one, you'll know what a challenge it is to use the same supply lines for analog audio circuits. There's huge amounts of transient noise spikes, of several volts amplitude, in the average pc supply line. In my own pc, which I don't use for audio recording, I tried quadrupling the electrolytic cap sizes & adding very large film caps & still had about 75 percent of the noise present. And not even 5 percent of this kind of filtering could possibly fit on a soundcard. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > How do you plug your LP into your PC? > > There is more to this piece, obviously I mentioned a very small part. > > My "guess" is that Stephen will have it for lunch. But given the choice, I > would take this over any tape deck. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 22 03:17:12 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:17:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: Message-ID: <3CEAF198.21A5104D@rcn.com> Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's done a fair amount of work on several cards and published results, graphs etc.. As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving LPs > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at Stereophile > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not really > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will have a > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters are > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization really > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs as > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in the > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > Michael E DeWire > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > quality > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > touch > > one. > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > I > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > be > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > Maybe > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > back fond recording memories! > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > 16-, > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > can > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > fade-ins > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 22 03:22:37 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:22:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <021001c20121$a6e99670$7a021fac@brianm> <03c601c2012a$840576c0$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <029701c2012f$28d14810$7a021fac@brianm> That was somewhat my point, I really don't want to know how to do it, I don't have an LP setup; I was more or less pointing out where the Alesis is much more realistic in archiving LP. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > You just opened up another can of worms, Brian. It can be quite problematic > to interface a phono preamp, etc. with a computer. Between power ground > loop issues & pc-generated powerline noise, it could be pretty darned hard > to get really top shelf results. As for soundcards, even the best of the > internal ones are not immune to problems in their analog stages caused by > the enormous amount of noise generated by the pc, transmitted both on the > power supply lines & radiated. If you have ever looked at the DC power > lines inside a pc supply, even a very well filtered one, you'll know what a > challenge it is to use the same supply lines for analog audio circuits. > There's huge amounts of transient noise spikes, of several volts amplitude, > in the average pc supply line. In my own pc, which I don't use for audio > recording, I tried quadrupling the electrolytic cap sizes & adding very > large film caps & still had about 75 percent of the noise present. And not > even 5 percent of this kind of filtering could possibly fit on a soundcard. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:45 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > How do you plug your LP into your PC? > > > > There is more to this piece, obviously I mentioned a very small part. > > > > My "guess" is that Stephen will have it for lunch. But given the choice, > I > > would take this over any tape deck. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 22 03:43:42 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:43:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <20020521.194006.-468159.7.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: A German outfit called RME (I think) makes a very highly reviewed soundcard that is designed for digital mastering. It can handle real time digital sample rate conversion. I think it goes for around 500. Digidesign also makes some good cards and they are a bit cheaper. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Just a quick note on sound cards. You have to be VERY careful with Soundblaster cards to be sure you're really getting what you think you're getting. I can't comment on the Extigy, but all of the previous cards right up to the SB Live! did something very annoying with an incoming digital signal. The cards operate internally at 44.1 kHz. Any digital signal coming in through the digital input jack is immediately converted to ANALOG, then back to digital at 44.1. Obviously, this is a serious problem if you're trying to do digital dubs off DAT. The SBs also could not do on the fly sample rate conversion. If they did, it was really a digital to analog to digital (resampled) conversion. Rightly or wrongly, I've since dismissed all SB cards as "only for video gamers." Taking the card out of the case is certainly a good idea. I use a chep outboard ADC. The difference between the outboard ADC and the internal ADC in the sound card (which is a pro audio card) is like night and day. You couldn't be more right about the Plextor SCSI drives, however. I still won't "upgrade" from my 4x speed caddy loader. As for blank computer grade CD-Rs, I've yet to find a significant difference among any of them, save some of the Memorex branded discs. Otherwise, I buy the absolute cheapest "free with rebate" blanks I can find. Still haven't found a reason to buy anything else. - Joe > Take a look at the new Sound Blaster Extigy which is an external > sound > card that interfaces over USB. I think that this device will > alleviate > most of the concerns that you all have. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If you have a later 40, with the spindle clamp, quite possibly you have an off center pressing, on my RD11S, I've had to resort occasionally to reaming the hole oversize and visually centering before I clamp...ala Dragon TT manually. Erie Patsellis P.S. If you ever decide to get rid of your RD40, let me know. on 5/20/02 9:54 AM, Ken Bentley at kbentley at bnflinc.com wrote: > > Hey Chaps, > > after listening to the discussion here, and signing on at the Vinyl > Solution,, I decided to give my tired old Ariston RD40 some TLC. So I > cleaned the platter, wiped and re-oiled the spindle set it level etc. > Unfortunately it now seems to run uneven, causing some notes to "wobble?". > It's not enough to be obvious but I seem to notice it just as my attention > wanders onto somthing else so I'm not convinced I have a problem (but > obviously enough to write this!). > I'd have thought (say changes in the belt tension) would cause it to run > consistantly slow, not vary. > > Am I going mad? > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 22 04:49:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:49:49 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <3CEAF198.21A5104D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <046701c2013b$57de9b60$483442cf@sank1> Nooooo, Ron, it ain't at all the same environment. There is several orders of magnitude higher radiant & electrical noise in a PC than there is in even the most complex audio device. It is a WHOLE different ballgame! Just take a scope & look at the 5v or +12v supply line in your own PC. You won't believe all the crap the pc is throwing back into it's power supply. Not to mention what it throws back into the AC power line. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a > sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. > > There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one > interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny > Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's > done a fair amount of work on several cards and > published results, graphs etc.. > > As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure > why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you > find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention > *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for > noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards > do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just > that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. > > -- Ron > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far > > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the > > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving LPs > > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at Stereophile > > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not really > > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will have a > > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with > > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters are > > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software > > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization really > > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs as > > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a > > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in the > > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth > > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > > > Michael E DeWire > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Graham Nelson > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from > > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I > > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > > knowledge. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > > quality > > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > > touch > > > one. > > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > > I > > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > > be > > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > > Maybe > > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > > back fond recording memories! > > > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > > 16-, > > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > > can > > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > > fade-ins > > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 22 04:50:45 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:50:45 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <001801c2012b$6cc35f80$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <047201c2013b$794294a0$483442cf@sank1> I sure as heck wouldn't expect good sound out of this turntable. Not sure I would even trust my good records on it! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder You can get around the sound card problem if your goal is to archive your LPs, by picking up a Denon DP-DJ151 Direct Drive Digital Turntable . This has a digital (and analog of course) output, and for the $299.00 (street) price tag, it's cheaper than some high end sound cards. http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.DENDPDJ151&f=2982 http://www.djmart.com/denondpdj151.html http://www.audiogear.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?key=DnonDpdj151&preadd=action --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Any one >interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny >Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's >done a fair amount of work on several cards and >published results, graphs etc.. > >As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure >why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you >find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention >*any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for >noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards >do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just >that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. > >-- Ron > > >Michael E DeWire wrote: >> >> I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far >> superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the >> article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving LPs >> to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at Stereophile >> admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not really >> intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will have a >> 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. >> >> Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with >> countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters are >> inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software >> programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization really >> add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs as >> well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a >> bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in the >> digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth >> that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. >> >> Michael E DeWire >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Graham Nelson >> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder >> >> I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to >> get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from >> within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I >> have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical >> knowledge. >> >> Graham >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> Ron >> Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder >> >> Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder >> what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer >> equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the >> Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, >> plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially >> the same price. Am I missing something here? >> >> -- Ron >> >> Stephen Sank wrote: >> > >> > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. >> > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" >> quality >> > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro >> > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would >> touch >> > one. >> > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if >> I >> > can get a look under the hood for you. >> > >> > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> > http://stephensank.com >> > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Brian Miller" >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM >> > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder >> > >> > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would >> be >> > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te >> > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! >> Maybe >> > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings >> > back fond recording memories! >> > >> > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a >> > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and >> 16-, >> > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you >> can >> > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do >> fade-ins >> > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... >> > >> > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. >> > >> > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. >> > >> > Brian Miller >> > Michigan >> > http://brian.grar.com >> >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed May 22 12:00:35 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:00:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Message-ID: <3D037A66@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Have one of these as well-it is based on an early Pioneer cdr unit-good quality but 20% of the facilities of the Masterlink. Fred Moss ===== Original Message From "Roland Alford" ===== >Alternatively, buy a professional HHB CDR-850. It records on cheap re-writable data discs. Sound is fabulous and you can fix your mistakes. Sell for less than $500.00 gently used. A little more new. You probably won't even need a marker to block the Sony copy protection. 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Armed with this pre-conception, I would always go for an off-board system with the minimum amount of digital circuitry to handle the analogue signals. My choice would be the Midiman 24-bit boxes that connect to the computer using a USB interface. However, I have not tried one. This demonstrates the second problem with computer audio - how does one find a dealer that understands both computers and audio, and is able to demonstrate the benefits or otherwise of a particular approach? Opinions (and names of a dealer in the Northern hemisphere) gratefully received! John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, 22 May, 2002 00:18 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Most of the 'pro' CD recorders (Alesis, Sony, ect) can use PC blank media i.e. data CD's. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Graham Nelson wrote: > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told ... True, but I figured that into the cost. Otherwise, the PC is substantially cheaper then the Alesis. For example, I have recently put a PC together for my wife. This is a fairly high-end machine, an absolute overkill for just mastering CDs. It cost under $650, not including a monitor, keyboard and mouse (another $200 would take care of these, most of which you can save by giving up on amenities not required for CD recording). There'd be some additional savings in the future, since blank media for PCs is a lot cheaper than the same media for home CD recorders. > - and the noise/interference from within the PC also > corrupting the process. Not with a good quality card, it won't. These cards are designed to deal with this environment. Don't forget, the signal is fed to the sound card where it is immediately digitized. Following the ADC, it is in digital form -- something a PC feels very comfortable handling. > However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. I'll agree that using a PC could be more difficult. However, the required effort is not beyond the capabilities of most adults (and *all* children). I feel the effort is well worth the advantages. Just my $0.02, -- Ron > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > quality > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > touch > > one. > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > I > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > be > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > Maybe > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > back fond recording memories! > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > 16-, > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > can > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > fade-ins > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 22 12:23:41 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:23:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <3CEAF198.21A5104D@rcn.com> Message-ID: I looked at the PC AV Tech site. Sorry Ron, but we just hit the "audition vs measurement" brick wall again. I would not buy a piece of gear on anyone's recommendation just because its frequency response was ruler flat from 80 Hz to 13 kHz +/- 0.2 dB with a noise floor of better than 75 dB. After all, if you take a time averaged room response, (my place, or yours), you are going to get frequency variations of +/- 10 dB or more simply due to standing waves which the ear can happily accommodate. And what kind of noise is he talking about? Uncorrelated white noise, or signal related pre-echo from the anti-alias filter? Either might measure the same, but one will be OK while the other will sound awful. Does this guy ever actually *listen* to the cards? Does anyone have a digital recording set-up that sounds nearly as good as a good Nak? Or, dare I ask, better? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wednesday, 22 May, 2002 02:17 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's done a fair amount of work on several cards and published results, graphs etc.. As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving LPs > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at Stereophile > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not really > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will have a > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters are > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization really > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs as > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in the > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > Michael E DeWire > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Graham Nelson > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - to > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference from > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > knowledge. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > -- Ron > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > quality > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > touch > > one. > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if > I > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Miller" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would > be > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > Maybe > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > back fond recording memories! > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > 16-, > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > can > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > fade-ins > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed May 22 14:57:54 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:57:54 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] conversion Message-ID: Current spot rate on the screen above me is 1 GBP = 1.4600 USD. For paypal and ebay purposes usually 1.50 is applied. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brian Miller" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: [naktalk] conversion Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:37:22 -0400 Can someone on here to me what �5.50 is in US dollars, also �8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 22 15:10:57 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:10:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <3CEAF198.21A5104D@rcn.com> <046701c2013b$57de9b60$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CEB98E1.BF2A066A@rcn.com> Why would we care about what happens in the PC power supply? All we should care about is the amount of noise in the recorded audio (that's governed by the tiny ADC circuit at the front end of the sound card). There are specs for that and it can be made nil -- certainly, lower than the S/N of LP playback. And why in heaven's name would you add filtering to a PC power supply? It's a digital device, for God sake. Millions of those PCs are running, all over the globe, without additional filtering. Including those our lives depend on -- in banks, research labs and hospitals. Oh, well... Let's not start another cables discussion. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > Nooooo, Ron, it ain't at all the same environment. There is several orders > of magnitude higher radiant & electrical noise in a PC than there is in even > the most complex audio device. It is a WHOLE different ballgame! Just take > a scope & look at the 5v or +12v supply line in your own PC. You won't > believe all the crap the pc is throwing back into it's power supply. Not to > mention what it throws back into the AC power line. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a > > sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. > > > > There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one > > interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny > > Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's > > done a fair amount of work on several cards and > > published results, graphs etc.. > > > > As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure > > why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you > > find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention > > *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for > > noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards > > do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just > > that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far > > > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the > > > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving > LPs > > > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at > Stereophile > > > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not > really > > > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will > have a > > > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > > > > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with > > > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters > are > > > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software > > > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization > really > > > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs > as > > > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a > > > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in > the > > > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog > warmth > > > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > > > > > Michael E DeWire > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Graham Nelson > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound > card - to > > > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference > from > > > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what > I > > > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > > > knowledge. > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Ron > > > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > > > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > > > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > > > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > > > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > > > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis > unit. > > > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > > > quality > > > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the > rec.audio.pro > > > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > > > touch > > > > one. > > > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll > see if > > > I > > > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it > would > > > be > > > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > > > Maybe > > > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters > brings > > > > back fond recording memories! > > > > > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to > a > > > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > > > 16-, > > > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, > you > > > can > > > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > > > fade-ins > > > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting > article. > > > > > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > Michigan > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 22 15:21:33 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:21:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: Message-ID: <3CEB9B5D.F59A3239@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > I looked at the PC AV Tech site. Sorry Ron, but we just hit the "audition vs > measurement" brick wall again. I would not buy a piece of gear on anyone's > recommendation just because its frequency response was ruler flat from 80 Hz > to 13 kHz +/- 0.2 dB with a noise floor of better than 75 dB. After all, if > you take a time averaged room response, (my place, or yours), you are going > to get frequency variations of +/- 10 dB or more simply due to standing > waves which the ear can happily accommodate. And what kind of noise is he > talking about? Uncorrelated white noise, or signal related pre-echo from the > anti-alias filter? Either might measure the same, but one will be OK while > the other will sound awful. 75db S/N ratio will be all but inaudible, regardless of source. In this case, it's going to be signal unrelated, since the major source is the environment. Note that S/N ratio of LP playback is generally far higher than 75db. > Does this guy ever actually *listen* to the cards? I understand he does, extensively. He participates in several audio related NGs, you can ask him all sorts of questions. He is usually very happy to discuss Audio, though he is fairly intolerant to stupidity. -- Ron > Does anyone have a > digital recording set-up that sounds nearly as good as a good Nak? Or, dare > I ask, better? > John Walker > Portland, UK > email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Wednesday, 22 May, 2002 02:17 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a > sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. > > There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one > interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny > Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's > done a fair amount of work on several cards and > published results, graphs etc.. > > As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure > why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you > find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention > *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for > noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards > do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just > that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. > > -- Ron > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far > > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the > > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving > LPs > > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at > Stereophile > > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not > really > > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will have > a > > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with > > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters > are > > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software > > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization > really > > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs > as > > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a > > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in the > > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth > > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > > > Michael E DeWire > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Graham Nelson > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound card - > to > > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference > from > > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what I > > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > > knowledge. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > > quality > > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the > rec.audio.pro > > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > > touch > > > one. > > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see > if > > I > > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it > would > > be > > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > > Maybe > > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > > > back fond recording memories! > > > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > > 16-, > > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you > > can > > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > > fade-ins > > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed May 22 15:29:41 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:29:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: <009301c2018d$6c4dcdd0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CEB9D45.5A227975@ol-jim.com> > Brian Miller wrote: > > Can someone on here to me what �5.50 is in US dollars, also �8.00? > � > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com From: http://www.xe.com/pca/ 5.5 UK Pounds = 8.02258 USD 8 UK Pounds = 11.6685 USD Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com 42 USC 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985. Know them, use them, regain your freedom! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Wed May 22 15:56:34 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:56:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <009301c2018d$6c4dcdd0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000401c20198$8031a870$d2aa87d9@JAS> For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don’t forget www.vinylengine.com :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? 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KenB Erie Patsellis odusa.net> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Turntable Woes owner-naktalk at na ks.com 05/21/02 08:33 PM Please respond to naktalk Ken, RD40's are very sensitive to setup, make sure the platter is perfectly level, adjust the pods on the periphery if neccesary. If you have a later 40, with the spindle clamp, quite possibly you have an off center pressing, on my RD11S, I've had to resort occasionally to reaming the hole oversize and visually centering before I clamp...ala Dragon TT manually. Erie Patsellis P.S. If you ever decide to get rid of your RD40, let me know. on 5/20/02 9:54 AM, Ken Bentley at kbentley at bnflinc.com wrote: > > Hey Chaps, > > after listening to the discussion here, and signing on at the Vinyl > Solution,, I decided to give my tired old Ariston RD40 some TLC. So I > cleaned the platter, wiped and re-oiled the spindle set it level etc. > Unfortunately it now seems to run uneven, causing some notes to "wobble?". > It's not enough to be obvious but I seem to notice it just as my attention > wanders onto somthing else so I'm not convinced I have a problem (but > obviously enough to write this!). > I'd have thought (say changes in the belt tension) would cause it to run > consistantly slow, not vary. > > Am I going mad? > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------==== > ===== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don't forget www.vinylengine.com J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don't forget www.vinylengine.com J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 22 18:35:24 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:35:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <3CEAF198.21A5104D@rcn.com> <046701c2013b$57de9b60$483442cf@sank1> <3CEB98E1.BF2A066A@rcn.com> Message-ID: <053301c201ae$adaf9da0$483442cf@sank1> So, you don't think that repetitive transient spikes of 1 to 5volts in amplitude on a 5v or 12v supply is insignificant to an analog audio stage? Are you kidding?! Even with subregulators & extra filtering, that crap is going to cause audible trouble in even the briefest of analog stages. And I tried adding extra filtering to my pc supply just for the sake of seeing what I could do to reduce the outrageous amount of crap I saw with the o'scope. I had previously had a crashing problem, that was pointing to the supply, so I had already seen before how much noise was in these things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > Why would we care about what happens in the PC power > supply? All we should care about is the amount of noise > in the recorded audio (that's governed by the tiny ADC > circuit at the front end of the sound card). There are > specs for that and it can be made nil -- certainly, > lower than the S/N of LP playback. > > And why in heaven's name would you add filtering to a > PC power supply? It's a digital device, for God sake. > Millions of those PCs are running, all over the globe, > without additional filtering. Including those our lives > depend on -- in banks, research labs and hospitals. > > Oh, well... Let's not start another cables discussion. > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > Nooooo, Ron, it ain't at all the same environment. There is several orders > > of magnitude higher radiant & electrical noise in a PC than there is in even > > the most complex audio device. It is a WHOLE different ballgame! Just take > > a scope & look at the 5v or +12v supply line in your own PC. You won't > > believe all the crap the pc is throwing back into it's power supply. Not to > > mention what it throws back into the AC power line. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a > > > sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. > > > > > > There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one > > > interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny > > > Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's > > > done a fair amount of work on several cards and > > > published results, graphs etc.. > > > > > > As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure > > > why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you > > > find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention > > > *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for > > > noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards > > > do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just > > > that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is far > > > > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading the > > > > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for archiving > > LPs > > > > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at > > Stereophile > > > > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was not > > really > > > > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units will > > have a > > > > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > > > > > > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up with > > > > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D converters > > are > > > > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro software > > > > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization > > really > > > > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and outputs > > as > > > > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost becomes a > > > > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool in > > the > > > > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog > > warmth > > > > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > > > > > > > Michael E DeWire > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Graham Nelson > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound > > card - to > > > > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the noise/interference > > from > > > > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only what > > I > > > > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any technical > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Ron > > > > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > > > > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > > > > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > > > > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > > > > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > > > > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis > > unit. > > > > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" > > > > quality > > > > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the > > rec.audio.pro > > > > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would > > > > touch > > > > > one. > > > > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll > > see if > > > > I > > > > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it > > would > > > > be > > > > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > > > > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! > > > > Maybe > > > > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters > > brings > > > > > back fond recording memories! > > > > > > > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to > > a > > > > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and > > > > 16-, > > > > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, > > you > > > > can > > > > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do > > > > fade-ins > > > > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > > > > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting > > article. > > > > > > > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > Michigan > > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 22 20:05:04 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:05:04 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <3CEAB8EA.B10E7ADD@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3CEBDDD0.000004.01444@CopyTech> No Ron, you are not missing anything as long as you are not in the pro arena I still don't like it but I need it if I want to make masterings. That's all. WIth a dedicated computer and good plug-ins, you'll obtain far better results as long as it can record in 24 bits. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 08:37:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially the same price. Am I missing something here? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis unit. > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & miss" quality > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the rec.audio.pro > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I would touch > one. > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so I'll see if I > can get a look under the hood for you. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings > back fond recording memories! > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16- > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 22 20:02:22 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:02:22 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <00c101c200d2$5af9d5d0$7a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CEBDD2E.000001.01444@CopyTech> Brian: As a mastering engineer I've been forced to buy this shit because the customers are bringing the masters in CDR but at 24 bits,so, I need the Masterlink as a playback machine only. It sounds good but the other features are pure shit. The price is $999.00 and no distributor has eroded the price yet, at least by now ... For all you guys: if you don't have a recording studio, stay away from it. The first versions came with a defect but Alesis is doing a fine job with the warranty jobs. Mine's took 3 days turnaround service and no questions asked. They changed a whole board at shipping cost. As Stephen said: Alesis is a hit or miss company but unfortunately their ADATS are an standard today, many replaced the old venerable Studer A-800 in many studios and now the damm Masterlink is selling much faster than they can build it ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 01:41:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think it would be nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review of te Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued me! Maybe it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters brings back fond recording memories! I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the songs to a hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates and 16-, 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the HD, you can alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, do fade-ins and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting article. $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed May 22 19:22:13 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:22:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: <000401c20198$8031a870$d2aa87d9@JAS> <010401c201ae$5f3807c0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CEBD3C5.53B8ECA2@ol-jim.com> United Kingdom Pounds (Great Britain) -- Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com 42 USC 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985. Know them, use them, regain your freedom! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 22 19:48:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:48:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <009301c2018d$6c4dcdd0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002701c201b8$ee41dfe0$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> As a rule, multiply £s by 1.5 to get $s. It looks different in the newspapers but when you've taken into consideration bank fees, that's about right give or take a few pence either way. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 01:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 22 19:53:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:53:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <010401c201ae$5f3807c0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002c01c201b9$99defae0$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> £ = Pounds, Sterling - UK currency. What you guys used to use before Independence! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 05:33 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion One more question, what is £? What counries use this? Sorry for the ignorance! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don’t forget www.vinylengine.com J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed May 22 19:54:32 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:54:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder Message-ID: <3CF4565B@mail.totalise.co.uk> >To answer someone`s question earlier the Masterlink will produce better results than my 1000zxl Fred ===== Original Message From "El Magnifico" ===== >The Analog Warm ! I getting tired of keep hearing that bullshit from the >reviewers. HA ! Analog warm ... perhaps that's why they prefer the tubes, >because it adds warm to the sound, of course, and it will easily burn your >fingers if get near. That's another bullshit to justify their writting jobs. >Ha ! > >Carlos > >It is what it is, a great tool in the >digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog warmth >that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > >Michael E DeWire Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 22 19:59:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:59:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder In-Reply-To: <053301c201ae$adaf9da0$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <003101c201ba$5d93b020$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> Yup, transient spikes cause lots of problems with PCs and mainframe 'puters. If they don't crash them they can corrupt data files. When I worked in the bank's computer department, mains spikes sometimes caused the 'puters to power off and that was even with filtering. Also interesting to note that the "new" digital UK telephone exchanges run by BT use banks of mains power conditioners in between the PSUs for their equipment and the power main. (I got hold of an old one for my hi fi .... lovely!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: 22 May 2002 05:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder So, you don't think that repetitive transient spikes of 1 to 5volts in amplitude on a 5v or 12v supply is insignificant to an analog audio stage? Are you kidding?! Even with subregulators & extra filtering, that crap is going to cause audible trouble in even the briefest of analog stages. And I tried adding extra filtering to my pc supply just for the sake of seeing what I could do to reduce the outrageous amount of crap I saw with the o'scope. I had previously had a crashing problem, that was pointing to the supply, so I had already seen before how much noise was in these things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed May 22 20:26:51 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:26:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: <002701c201b8$ee41dfe0$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CEBE2EB.6CA4CAD8@ol-jim.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > As a rule, multiply �s by 1.5 to get $s. It looks different in the > newspapers but when you've taken into consideration bank fees, that's > about right give or take a few pence either way. Well, I just multiplied 150,000 UK Pounds by 1.5, but I sure didn't get $225,000 from anyone. Is there something I need to do other than multiply numbers? Ol' Weird Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com 42 USC 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985. Know them, use them, regain your freedom! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 22 20:30:05 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:30:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: <000401c20198$8031a870$d2aa87d9@JAS> <010401c201ae$5f3807c0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00b101c201be$b1f71810$61756acf@johnnyrotten> Sterling my man, English Pounds! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion One more question, what is £? What counries use this? Sorry for the ignorance! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don't forget www.vinylengine.com J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 22 20:47:10 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:47:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <009301c2018d$6c4dcdd0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: At £1 =$1.43, I make that $7.89 and$11.44 respectively. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, 22 May, 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed May 22 20:57:16 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 19:57:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]Well and truly OT conversion In-Reply-To: <010401c201ae$5f3807c0$74021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Brian – where have you been all your life? The “£” is the symbol used for the currency, Pounds Sterling, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Which is in England, OK? ;-) (Both the name and the symbol originate from the Roman Empire who used to pay their soldiers in the equivalent of pounds of salt. The Latin word for pound (weight) is ‘livra’, so the symbol is a capital ‘L’ with a line through it. This is also the root for the Italian lire. ) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, 22 May, 2002 17:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion One more question, what is £? What counries use this? Sorry for the ignorance! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don’t forget www.vinylengine.com :-) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbentley at bnflinc.com Wed May 22 21:19:46 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:19:46 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] conversion Message-ID: We just looked into this for one of the colonials I work with here in Denver. The symbol is an "L" with (usually) two short horizontal lines denoting "Lire" (not sure of the spelling - I believe its latin or italian?) which I believe means .....err...."pound" and comes from the original value of a pound of silver (check out Encarta). Similarly shilling (from the teutonic/norse schilling or skellig meaning - one twentieth of the above). And (the old) "d" for pennies from the latin, "denari" Pity I don't know anything about HiFi though!!! KenB "Brian Miller" To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion Sent by: owner-naktalk @naks.com 05/22/02 10:33 AM Please respond to naktalk One more question, what is £? What counries use this? Sorry for the ignorance! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don't forget www.vinylengine.com J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 22 21:41:05 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:41:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]Well and truly OT conversion References: Message-ID: <015101c201c8$9d4f6bb0$74021fac@brianm> Thanks again all! I am now educated! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk]Well and truly OT conversion Brian - where have you been all your life? The "£" is the symbol used for the currency, Pounds Sterling, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Which is in England, OK? ;-) (Both the name and the symbol originate from the Roman Empire who used to pay their soldiers in the equivalent of pounds of salt. The Latin word for pound (weight) is 'livra', so the symbol is a capital 'L' with a line through it. This is also the root for the Italian lire. ) John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wednesday, 22 May, 2002 17:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion One more question, what is £? What counries use this? Sorry for the ignorance! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion For future reference, either of these is a good place to bookmark: http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic?user=americaOnline http://www.xe.net/ucc/ - my favourite Regards Jim And don't forget www.vinylengine.com J -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 22 May 2002 13:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] conversion Can someone on here to me what £5.50 is in US dollars, also £8.00? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 22 21:50:07 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:50:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder References: <3CEAF198.21A5104D@rcn.com> <046701c2013b$57de9b60$483442cf@sank1> <3CEB98E1.BF2A066A@rcn.com> <053301c201ae$adaf9da0$483442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3CEBF66F.F86623ED@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > > So, you don't think that repetitive transient spikes of 1 to 5volts in > amplitude on a 5v or 12v supply is insignificant to an analog audio stage? > Are you kidding?! I never said that (and I wouldn't kid about it, either). If you have 1V to 5V spikes on a 5V line, you have one sick computer on your hands. PC supplies are spec'ed to keep the 5V line at 4.75V - 5.25V at all times. This includes line fluctuations, ripple, spikes and what have you. > Even with subregulators & extra filtering, that crap is > going to cause audible trouble in even the briefest of > analog stages. That's true, it would. If you had such spikes into an analog stage feed, it will be completely unusable. However, the fact is, even $30 sound cards are eminently usable, their limited re-regulation and filtering notwithstanding. In my computer, I don't even have a separate sound. My sound circuit is built right into the chip set, no less, and sitting no further than a couple of inches from a 1.53GHz 20W processor. Guess what, it's quite usable. Not high end audio, but usable. Now, if you build an honest to goodness sound card, complete with shielding, filtering and re-regulation, priced at, say, $800 (not the $20 my own sound circuit cost), you can achieve the results of, for example, the Lynx II card (all in the harsh PC environment): S/N ratio: 115db THD: 0.00015% IMD: 0.0001 Frequency response: 20Hz-20KHz +/-0.03db. And if anyone thinks that these measurements do not represent what we actually hear, he or she is sorely mistaken. And, BTW, I seriously doubt the Alesis achieves (let alone, betters) any of these results. > And I tried adding extra filtering to my pc supply just for the sake of > seeing what I could do to reduce the outrageous amount of crap I saw with > the o'scope. I had previously had a crashing problem, that was pointing to > the supply, so I had already seen before how much noise was in these things. If you got several volts spikes on the output rails, you ought to replace the damn thing. A 300W supply costs $60 (standard issue) to $120 (for nice high end). Spending a couple of hours fixing one simply isn't worth it. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 7:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > Why would we care about what happens in the PC power > > supply? All we should care about is the amount of noise > > in the recorded audio (that's governed by the tiny ADC > > circuit at the front end of the sound card). There are > > specs for that and it can be made nil -- certainly, > > lower than the S/N of LP playback. > > > > And why in heaven's name would you add filtering to a > > PC power supply? It's a digital device, for God sake. > > Millions of those PCs are running, all over the globe, > > without additional filtering. Including those our lives > > depend on -- in banks, research labs and hospitals. > > > > Oh, well... Let's not start another cables discussion. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > Nooooo, Ron, it ain't at all the same environment. There is several > orders > > > of magnitude higher radiant & electrical noise in a PC than there is in > even > > > the most complex audio device. It is a WHOLE different ballgame! Just > take > > > a scope & look at the 5v or +12v supply line in your own PC. You won't > > > believe all the crap the pc is throwing back into it's power supply. > Not to > > > mention what it throws back into the AC power line. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 7:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I'd go the PC route. Nop, I would not use a > > > > sound Blaster, except to play Duke Nukem. > > > > > > > > There are high quality sound cards out there. Any one > > > > interested in the subject will do well to peek at Arny > > > > Krueger's web site (http://www.pcavtech.com/). He's > > > > done a fair amount of work on several cards and > > > > published results, graphs etc.. > > > > > > > > As to the 'digital environment' in a PC, I am not sure > > > > why it bothers anyone. This is the same environment you > > > > find inside any CD, LD or DVD player, not to mention > > > > *any* modern receiver. There are ways to design for > > > > noisy environment. The fact that cheapo sound cards > > > > do not, doesn't mean that it is difficult to do, just > > > > that it cannot be done in a $30 (or even $100) card. > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I concur with Graham in that the D to A in the Alesis ML-9600 is > far > > > > > superior than going the PC route in most cases. After just reading > the > > > > > article in Stereophile, I think the unit would be superb for > archiving > > > LPs > > > > > to CD especially if recorded in the CD24 format. The reviewer at > > > Stereophile > > > > > admits it is not that great at playing back Redbook CDs as it was > not > > > really > > > > > intended to be a reference CD player. By the way the newer units > will > > > have a > > > > > 20Gig hard drive in it instead of the current unit with 4.3Gigs. > > > > > > > > > > Most mainstream software digital audio extraction programs end up > with > > > > > countless errors on the wave file and most sound card A to D > converters > > > are > > > > > inferior as well until you get in to the $500+ range. The pro > software > > > > > programs for your PC for EQ, editing, compression, and normalization > > > really > > > > > add up in price. The unit also has balanced audio XLR inputs and > outputs > > > as > > > > > well. When you start adding all of that up, the Alesis almost > becomes a > > > > > bargain at the $1,000 street price. It is what it is, a great tool > in > > > the > > > > > digital audio world. From what I read you will not have the analog > > > warmth > > > > > that you will get when recording from an LP to a good quality Nak. > > > > > > > > > > Michael E DeWire > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Graham Nelson > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 4:53 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > > > I believe the disadvantage of the PC route is the quality of sound > > > card - to > > > > > get a good one costs a lotta $s, I am told - and the > noise/interference > > > from > > > > > within the PC also corrupting the process. However, I repeat only > what > > > I > > > > > have read on the subject, not from personal experience or any > technical > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > > > > > Ron > > > > > Sent: 21 May 2002 10:15 PM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > > > Stephen, having read the description below, I wonder > > > > > what is the advantage of this recorder vs. a computer > > > > > equipped with a good CD burner. Everything that the > > > > > Alesis does, the computer will do as well or better, > > > > > plus perform a host of other duties, for essentially > > > > > the same price. Am I missing something here? > > > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta say that I would turn a highly suspect eye upon the Alesis > > > unit. > > > > > > This is a company that is well known in pro circles for "hit & > miss" > > > > > quality > > > > > > & mostly "miss" on reliability, so I'd post a request to the > > > rec.audio.pro > > > > > > usenet newsgroup about it's reliability & sound quality before I > would > > > > > touch > > > > > > one. > > > > > > A local friend of mine will have one in the next few weeks, so > I'll > > > see if > > > > > I > > > > > > can get a look under the hood for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Brian Miller" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 8:18 AM > > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 recorder > > > > > > > > > > > > I haven't paid much attention the CD-R players, although I think > it > > > would > > > > > be > > > > > > nice to have one. The current issue of Stereophile has a review > of te > > > > > > Alesis MasterLink ML-9600 hard-disk/CD-R recorder, this intrigued > me! > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > it's becuase I haven't had a deck in awhile and those peak meters > > > brings > > > > > > back fond recording memories! > > > > > > > > > > > > I would like to own this recorder. It allows you to copy the > songs to > > > a > > > > > > hard drive within the unit at 44.1, 48, 88.2 or 96kHz sample rates > and > > > > > 16-, > > > > > > 20- and 24-bit word lengths. Once recorded to a Playlist on the > HD, > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > alter the running order, apply compreshion to individual tracks, > do > > > > > fade-ins > > > > > > and -outs, and edit out bad starts or ends-of side goofs... > > > > > > > > > > > > There is much more, you may want to pick up a copy, interesting > > > article. > > > > > > > > > > > > $1699, but S-phile admits it can be found on the net for $1000. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > > > > Michigan > > > > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 22 21:48:22 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 15:48:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: <002701c201b8$ee41dfe0$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> <3CEBE2EB.6CA4CAD8@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <010d01c201c9$a1f4bb60$61756acf@johnnyrotten> Times not Multiply. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > As a rule, multiply �s by 1.5 to get $s. It looks different in the > > newspapers but when you've taken into consideration bank fees, that's > > about right give or take a few pence either way. > > Well, I just multiplied 150,000 UK Pounds by 1.5, but I sure didn't get > $225,000 from anyone. Is there something I need to do other than > multiply numbers? > > Ol' Weird Jim, hisself > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > 42 USC 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985. Know them, use them, regain your > freedom! > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 22 22:44:06 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:44:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <3CEBE2EB.6CA4CAD8@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <005c01c201d1$6a7f1060$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> ROFLOL!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ol' Jim, hisself Sent: 22 May 2002 07:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion Graham Nelson wrote: > As a rule, multiply �s by 1.5 to get $s. It looks different in the > newspapers but when you've taken into consideration bank fees, that's > about right give or take a few pence either way. Well, I just multiplied 150,000 UK Pounds by 1.5, but I sure didn't get $225,000 from anyone. Is there something I need to do other than multiply numbers? Ol' Weird Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu May 23 03:30:29 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:30:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: <002c01c201b9$99defae0$9eb187d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002c01c201f9$80cb8060$f1299bca@smarzuki> ha ha ha ... and where exactly is this UK ? (we indos only needed to learn dutch gilders) sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion £ = Pounds, Sterling - UK currency. What you guys used to use before Independence! Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu May 23 05:45:18 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:45:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <002c01c201f9$80cb8060$f1299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: I think UK[raine] is to the South East of Poland. Kiev is it's capital ... Graham would know more .... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Wed, May 22, 2002 8:30 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] conversion ha ha ha ... and where exactly is this UK ? (we indos only needed to learn dutch gilders) sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion £ = Pounds, Sterling - UK currency. What you guys used to use before Independence! Gra' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betali at earthlink.net Thu May 23 06:21:32 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:21:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record cleaning machine Message-ID: <002401c20211$52106160$bebb9a40@0022406904> I am thinking about buying a record cleaning machine from either Nitty Gritty or VPI. Can anyone give me some advice as to which brand and model I should buy? Which one to avoid and why? Would there be any difference in performance among manual, semi-manual, semi-automatic models? Anyone has any idea how effective the record cleaning machine is? After a thorough cleaning, do you still hear ticks and clicks and/or other noise? I am looking at the nitty gritty 1.0 for the low end model to a VPI HW-16.5, which is a middle of the line model. Any advice is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Thu May 23 08:01:40 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 02:01:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Record cleaning machine References: <002401c20211$52106160$bebb9a40@0022406904> Message-ID: <3CEC85C4.F30DD1DB@snip.net> I have the VPI HW-16.5 and like it. It seems to work without any problems and leaves records clean and basically tick and pop free. However, I've always taken care of my records, so I'm not sure how it'd do on a record that hasn't previously been well cared for. I've recently purchased some used records so that'd be a good test, BUT my system is apart, awaiting the return of a "sank"tified Dragon, two Eagle 2c's and a Spectral DMC-12 from Steve, so it may be awhile before I get to try it on the used records. I'll let you know when I do. Best regards. John Ben Li wrote: > I am thinking about buying a record cleaning machine from either Nitty > Gritty or VPI. Can anyone give me some advice as to which brand and > model I should buy? Which one to avoid and why? Would there be any > difference in performance among manual, semi-manual, semi-automatic > models? Anyone has any idea how effective the record cleaning machine > is? After a thorough cleaning, do you still hear ticks and clicks > and/or other noise? I am looking at the nitty gritty 1.0 for the low > end model to a VPI HW-16.5, which is a middle of the line model. Any > advice is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu May 23 08:18:34 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:18:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record cleaning machine In-Reply-To: <002401c20211$52106160$bebb9a40@0022406904> Message-ID: Ben The UK magazine Hi-Fi News sells the Moth machine as a kit (£ 225 UKP) or fully assembled (£450 UKP). Go look at http://www.britishaudio.co.uk/rcm.htm I have the kit version – it works well, but you have to source and build a case from coated fibreboard (Contiboard in the UK). This is no big deal, but it still came as a surprise to me when I opened my Christmas present! You should also obtain a supply of isopropyl alcohol for washing the records, and some ear defenders :-) because the machine uses a motor from a vacuum cleaner to suck the dirt from the groove. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ben Li Sent: Thursday, 23 May, 2002 05:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Record cleaning machine I am thinking about buying a record cleaning machine from either Nitty Gritty or VPI. Can anyone give me some advice as to which brand and model I should buy? Which one to avoid and why? Would there be any difference in performance among manual, semi-manual, semi-automatic models? Anyone has any idea how effective the record cleaning machine is? After a thorough cleaning, do you still hear ticks and clicks and/or other noise? I am looking at the nitty gritty 1.0 for the low end model to a VPI HW-16.5, which is a middle of the line model. Any advice is appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu May 23 09:36:01 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:36:01 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] conversion References: Message-ID: >I think UK[raine] is to the South East of Poland. Kiev is it's capital ... >Graham would know more .... Yeh, something like that. Misha Kiev, Ukraine -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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(we indos only needed to learn dutch gilders) sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion £ = Pounds, Sterling - UK currency. What you guys used to use before Independence! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Thu May 23 14:44:14 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:44:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Has anyone tried the new McIntosh CD changer? Message-ID: <003001c20257$8bca5aa0$99021fac@brianm> I copied this quote from a member that posted it on Audiogon. I was curious if anyone could confirm or deny this? (I am not interested in a CD changer, I was more interested if Nak and Mac are working together.) Has anyone tried the new McIntosh CD changer? I look forward to reading the comments of people who have actually heard the piece. In the meantime I did a little research about the transport mechanism. It is Nakamichi's 'Music Bank' system. ... Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 23 19:49:39 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:49:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record cleaning machine In-Reply-To: <3CEC85C4.F30DD1DB@snip.net> Message-ID: <001401c20282$36007980$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Also worth taking a look at the Moth record cleaning machines, both Mark 1 and Mark 2 versions, which also come in kit form. I have a Mark 1 ready built and it is excellent. I prefer the design to the VPIs because the vacuuming takes place beneath the record, not on top of it. Thus, dirt etc, falls off the underside rather than back onto the record if it fails to get sucked up properly. This also helps quicken the cleaning process becxause, whilst the underside application of cleaner (and dirt on the record) are being sucked off underneath on Side 1 you can be applying the cleaner mixture on Side B as the record spins round. (Neat, huh?) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Smokevitch Sent: 23 May 2002 07:02 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record cleaning machine I have the VPI HW-16.5 and like it. It seems to work without any problems and leaves records clean and basically tick and pop free. However, I've always taken care of my records, so I'm not sure how it'd do on a record that hasn't previously been well cared for. I've recently purchased some used records so that'd be a good test, BUT my system is apart, awaiting the return of a "sank"tified Dragon, two Eagle 2c's and a Spectral DMC-12 from Steve, so it may be awhile before I get to try it on the used records. I'll let you know when I do. Best regards. John Ben Li wrote: I am thinking about buying a record cleaning machine from either Nitty Gritty or VPI. Can anyone give me some advice as to which brand and model I should buy? Which one to avoid and why? Would there be any difference in performance among manual, semi-manual, semi-automatic models? Anyone has any idea how effective the record cleaning machine is? After a thorough cleaning, do you still hear ticks and clicks and/or other noise? I am looking at the nitty gritty 1.0 for the low end model to a VPI HW-16.5, which is a middle of the line model. Any advice is appreciated. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 23 19:50:47 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:50:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001901c20282$5ed33820$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Don't bring Poland into this - let sleeping dogs lay or they'll want the Ukraine back under their sovereignty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 23 May 2002 08:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion >I think UK[raine] is to the South East of Poland. Kiev is it's capital ... >Graham would know more .... Yeh, something like that. Misha Kiev, Ukraine -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu May 23 20:42:59 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:42:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: <001901c20282$5ed33820$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: Hey, Gra' - do you know where this US place is? It's not US-bekistan is it? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Thursday, 23 May, 2002 18:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion Don't bring Poland into this - let sleeping dogs lay or they'll want the Ukraine back under their sovereignty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 23 May 2002 08:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion >I think UK[raine] is to the South East of Poland. Kiev is it's capital ... >Graham would know more .... Yeh, something like that. Misha Kiev, Ukraine -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I have found out that audio adviser ( www.audioadviser.com ) > is having a Spring clearance sale at 17% off their catalogue price and > free freight for order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, > 2002 The HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with the > discount and free freight, the total price come to $373.46 including > UPS ground shipping. They don't have the HW-16.5 in stock currently > but said new one should be coming in about 10 business days. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From return at trafficmagnet.net Thu May 23 21:24:38 2002 From: return at trafficmagnet.net (Christine Hall) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 03:24:38 +0800 (CST) Subject: [naktalk] http://naks.com Message-ID: <173CR1000001583@emaserver.trafficmagnet.net> Hi I visited http://naks.com, and noticed that you're not listed on some search engines! I think we can offer you a service which can help you increase traffic and the number of visitors to your website. I would like to introduce you to TrafficMagnet.net. We offer a unique technology that will submit your website to over 300,000 search engines and directories every month. You'll be surprised by the low cost, and by how effective this website promotion method can be. To find out more about TrafficMagnet and the cost for submitting your website to over 300,000 search engines and directories, visit www.TrafficMagnet.net. I would love to hear from you. Best Regards, Christine Hall Sales and Marketing E-mail: christine at trafficmagnet.net http://www.TrafficMagnet.net This email was sent to naktalk at naks.com. I understand that you may NOT wish to receive information from me by email. To be removed from this and other offers, simply go to the link below: http://emaserver.trafficmagnet.net/trafficmagnet/www/optoutredirect?UC=Lead&UI=6183846 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 23 21:31:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:31:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine In-Reply-To: <001201c20288$2c694720$9002010a@Titusint.com> Message-ID: <002801c20290$6b2db920$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Sounds like a good deal. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ben Li Sent: 23 May 2002 07:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine Thanks guys for your information and advise on record cleaning machine. I have found out that audio adviser ( www.audioadviser.com ) is having a Spring clearance sale at 17% off their catalogue price and free freight for order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, 2002 The HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with the discount and free freight, the total price come to $373.46 including UPS ground shipping. They don't have the HW-16.5 in stock currently but said new one should be coming in about 10 business days. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betali at earthlink.net Thu May 23 22:11:36 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:11:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine References: <001201c20288$2c694720$9002010a@Titusint.com> <3CED3E79.313EEC88@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c20296$0bb5a9c0$9002010a@Titusint.com> Any other comment on VPI from anyone? The 17% is not publicly advertised (you have to call them and ask) and the free UPS shipping will end on June 21. I have not purchased from this place before. Anyone has experience in buying from www.audioadviser.com ? They seem to be a reputable place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine Knowing VPI, I wouldn't count on a timely arrival. You never know though. Jim Volpatti Ben Li wrote: Thanks guys for your information and advise on record cleaning machine. I have found out that audio adviser ( www.audioadviser.com ) is having a Spring clearance sale at 17% off their catalogue price and free freight for order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, 2002 The HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with the discount and free freight, the total price come to $373.46 including UPS ground shipping. They don't have the HW-16.5 in stock currently but said new one should be coming in about 10 business days. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu May 23 22:07:47 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:07:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? References: Message-ID: <002b01c20295$824f6860$3db5b742@pii366custom> John (Walker), I was surprised you mentioned using isopropyl alcohol to clean LPs. Is this for conventional cleaning or only if they are covered in a layer of gluey grossness? Wouldn't alcohol be too harsh for the vinyl? 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URL: From betali at earthlink.net Thu May 23 22:16:46 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:16:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine References: <002801c20290$6b2db920$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002f01c20296$c3e4d8e0$9002010a@Titusint.com> I think it is considering the fact that most dealers sell a new between $440 to $485 plus shipping. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine Sounds like a good deal. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ben Li Sent: 23 May 2002 07:32 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine Thanks guys for your information and advise on record cleaning machine. I have found out that audio adviser ( www.audioadviser.com ) is having a Spring clearance sale at 17% off their catalogue price and free freight for order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, 2002 The HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with the discount and free freight, the total price come to $373.46 including UPS ground shipping. They don't have the HW-16.5 in stock currently but said new one should be coming in about 10 business days. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 23 22:51:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:51:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] conversion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003501c2029b$9f454a60$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Yeah John, not far from Georgia! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 23 May 2002 07:43 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion Hey, Gra' - do you know where this US place is? It's not US-bekistan is it? John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Thursday, 23 May, 2002 18:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion Don't bring Poland into this - let sleeping dogs lay or they'll want the Ukraine back under their sovereignty! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Michael Mironov Sent: 23 May 2002 08:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] conversion >I think UK[raine] is to the South East of Poland. Kiev is it's capital ... >Graham would know more .... Yeh, something like that. Misha Kiev, Ukraine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu May 23 22:56:08 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? References: <002b01c20295$824f6860$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <00c801c2029c$437fadf0$99021fac@brianm> At this link, www.buggtussel.com, they sell an LP cleaner. They happen to be located very close to me. I went to their shop a few weeks ago. They make speakers also, I tried a pair out. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? John (Walker), I was surprised you mentioned using isopropyl alcohol to clean LPs. Is this for conventional cleaning or only if they are covered in a layer of gluey grossness? Wouldn't alcohol be too harsh for the vinyl? I'm not saying you're wrong, just never heard of such a thing before. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu May 23 22:38:16 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:38:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine In-Reply-To: <001f01c20296$0bb5a9c0$9002010a@Titusint.com> Message-ID: <001d01c20299$c47af700$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I have purchased some stuff from A.A. over the last 10 years. Never had a problem w/ them. Quick shipment, good packaging, ect. Also have owned a HW-17 for 5 years. Never a problem w/ that machine. Great stuff. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ben Li Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 1:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine Any other comment on VPI from anyone? The 17% is not publicly advertised (you have to call them and ask) and the free UPS shipping will end on June 21. I have not purchased from this place before. Anyone has experience in buying from www.audioadviser.com ? They seem to be a reputable place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine Knowing VPI, I wouldn't count on a timely arrival. You never know though. Jim Volpatti Ben Li wrote: Thanks guys for your information and advise on record cleaning machine. I have found out that audio adviser ( www.audioadviser.com ) is having a Spring clearance sale at 17% off their catalogue price and free freight for order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, 2002 The HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with the discount and free freight, the total price come to $373.46 including UPS ground shipping. They don't have the HW-16.5 in stock currently but said new one should be coming in about 10 business days. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu May 23 23:22:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:22:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? In-Reply-To: <002b01c20295$824f6860$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <003b01c2029f$ef10b3a0$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Roland The Iso' is used well diluted with distilled water, usually with some kind of wetting agent in the mixture (e.g. as you can buy in a photographic equipment store). I mix my own according to a recipe I picked up on the web. Darned if I can find it at the moment or I'd send it to you. I'll keep looking ...) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 23 May 2002 09:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? John (Walker), I was surprised you mentioned using isopropyl alcohol to clean LPs. Is this for conventional cleaning or only if they are covered in a layer of gluey grossness? Wouldn't alcohol be too harsh for the vinyl? I'm not saying you're wrong, just never heard of such a thing before. --Roland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joelhall at pacbell.net Thu May 23 23:24:28 2002 From: joelhall at pacbell.net (joel hall) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:24:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine References: <001201c20288$2c694720$9002010a@Titusint.com> <3CED3E79.313EEC88@earthlink.net> <001f01c20296$0bb5a9c0$9002010a@Titusint.com> Message-ID: <3CED5E0C.2A1EE690@pacbell.net> I have purchased several items from them in the past - they are a reputable group. JRH Ben Li wrote: > Any other comment on VPI from anyone? The 17% is not publicly > advertised (you have to call them and ask) and the free UPS shipping > will end on June 21. I have not purchased from this place before. > Anyone has experience in buying from www.audioadviser.com ? They seem > to be a reputable place. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Volpatti > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine > Knowing VPI, I wouldn't count on a timely arrival. You > never know though. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ben Li wrote: > > > Thanks guys for your information and advise on record > > cleaning machine. I have found out that audio adviser ( > > www.audioadviser.com ) is having a Spring clearance sale > > at 17% off their catalogue price and free freight for > > order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, 2002 The > > HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with > > the discount and free freight, the total price come to > > $373.46 including UPS ground shipping. They don't have the > > HW-16.5 in stock currently but said new one should be > > coming in about 10 business days. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Fri May 24 01:05:24 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:05:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? In-Reply-To: <003b01c2029f$ef10b3a0$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> References: <002b01c20295$824f6860$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523190443.01eac970@mail.verizon.net> At 5/23/02, you wrote: >Hi Roland > >The Iso' is used well diluted with distilled water, usually with some kind >of wetting agent in the mixture (e.g. as you can buy in a photographic >equipment store). I mix my own according to a recipe I picked up on the >web. Darned if I can find it at the moment or I'd send it to you. I'll >keep looking ...) Look here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/fluids.html ________________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From enoyes at snet.net Fri May 24 04:46:54 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:46:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Record Cleaning Machine References: <001201c20288$2c694720$9002010a@Titusint.com> <3CED3E79.313EEC88@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3CEDA99D.4AE2BBDD@snet.net> It still sounds like a pretty decent price though! ED Jim Volpatti wrote: > Knowing VPI, I wouldn't count on a timely arrival. You never know > though. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Ben Li wrote: > >> Thanks guys for your information and advise on record cleaning >> machine. I have found out that audio adviser ( www.audioadviser.com >> ) is having a Spring clearance sale at 17% off their catalogue price >> and free freight for order over $199. The sale will end on June 21, >> 2002 The HW-16.5 is listed at 449.95 in their catalogue. So with the >> discount and free freight, the total price come to $373.46 including >> UPS ground shipping. They don't have the HW-16.5 in stock currently >> but said new one should be coming in about 10 business days. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri May 24 08:11:48 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:11:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AD9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Jst browsing ebay again and found this up for auction.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353693444 If you are intereseted in infra-red remote controlling of your nak, this is the one to get. BTW it's not in the best shape. Don't forget there's the twin 700 for sale too!... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353539470 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 24 09:06:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:06:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523190443.01eac970@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <006a01c202f1$866f2500$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Nice one, Marc. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: 24 May 2002 12:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? At 5/23/02, you wrote: Hi Roland The Iso' is used well diluted with distilled water, usually with some kind of wetting agent in the mixture (e.g. as you can buy in a photographic equipment store). I mix my own according to a recipe I picked up on the web. Darned if I can find it at the moment or I'd send it to you. I'll keep looking ...) Look here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/fluids.html ________________ Marc Stager --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri May 24 09:14:47 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:14:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? In-Reply-To: <002b01c20295$824f6860$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: No, it is not harsh at all, and I use for all record cleaning. It has no effect on the vinyl itself, but does remove the dirt – vital if you buy second hand records that have not been looked after by yourself. Be sure to use deionised (AKA distilled water) if you have to dilute, otherwise you could leave deposits when the solvent is sucked off the record by the machine. John Walker Portland, UK email: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Thursday, 23 May, 2002 21:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? John (Walker), I was surprised you mentioned using isopropyl alcohol to clean LPs. Is this for conventional cleaning or only if they are covered in a layer of gluey grossness? Wouldn't alcohol be too harsh for the vinyl? I'm not saying you're wrong, just never heard of such a thing before. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri May 24 11:04:40 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:04:40 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? References: <002b01c20295$824f6860$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: Hi Roland, Just for you information - Isopropil alcohol used in 99.99% of vinil cleaning solutions. Maybe this fact is not well known and I see only one reason for it - people want to sell those solutions for as high price they can get. But at the same time you may get isopropil times cheaper in a nearest store. Defenitely do not harm any of my LP so far anyway ;-) Misha >John (Walker), I was surprised you mentioned using isopropyl alcohol to clean LPs. Is this for conventional cleaning or only if they are covered in a layer of gluey grossness? Wouldn't alcohol be too harsh for the vinyl? I'm not saying you're wrong, just never heard of such a thing before. > >--Roland -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 24 15:09:57 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:09:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? References: <003b01c2029f$ef10b3a0$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CEE3BA5.BE48527C@rcn.com> >Hi Roland > >The Iso' is used well diluted with distilled water, usually with some kind of >wetting agent in the mixture (e.g. as you can buy in a photographic >equipment store). I mix my own according to a recipe I picked up on the web. >Darned if I can find it at the moment or I'd send it to you. I'll keep >looking ...) > >Gra' If/when you find it, please send it to the list. I clean LPs with the Radio Shack cleaning fluid I got some time ago, utilizing a technique known as 'elbow grease'. The RS stuff isn't that good and certainly, contains no wetting agent. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 24 15:19:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:19:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Green pens and cd's make a come back References: Message-ID: <3CEE3DC4.28184CC6@rcn.com> Dan Lau wrote: > > on 5/21/02 9:31 AM, Ron at ra.ah at rcn.com wrote: > > > This, of course, will lead to new anti copy > technologies, > > that will give rise to new hacks, followed by still > newer > > technologies and so on and so forth. Reminds me of the > > hacks to eliminate the need for the (in)famous Windows > XP > > validation process, the hack to remove DVD region and > > MacroVision 'protection', etc., etc.. Interesting world > > we live in, don't you think. > > Really? How do I hack to remove DVD region and MacroVision > 'protection' on my machines? There are companies that specialize in such hacks. Depending on what machine yours is, such a hack may be available for it. Try a Google search fro, say, 'DVD hacks'. If all you want is to copy to analog tape, there are MacroVision eliminators all over the place. The Sima SCC does an excellent job for about $100 and improves the picture to boot. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri May 24 15:42:14 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:42:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? References: <003b01c2029f$ef10b3a0$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> <3CEE3BA5.BE48527C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005801c20328$d0c805e0$94021fac@brianm> I once again direct you to http://www.buggtussel.com/products/vinylzyme.shtml, this may do what you want. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > If/when you find it, please send it to the list. I > clean LPs with the Radio Shack cleaning fluid I got > some time ago, utilizing a technique known as 'elbow > grease'. The RS stuff isn't that good and certainly, > contains no wetting agent. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 24 17:36:33 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:36:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap References: Message-ID: <00d001c20338$c8ac9280$34ec3fd0@oemcomputer> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353321188&r=0&t=0&showTu torial=0&ed=1022113358&indexURL=0&rd=1 or item number 1353321188 also known as working nak 1000 for $102.00 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 24 22:11:09 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:11:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap References: <00d001c20338$c8ac9280$34ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CEE9E5D.38B4167@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353321188&r=0&t=0&showTu > torial=0&ed=1022113358&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > or item number 1353321188 > also known as working nak 1000 for $102.00 > I suspect this reflects the actual value of this old unit. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat May 25 05:21:17 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:21:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap References: <00d001c20338$c8ac9280$34ec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CEF032B.B9675C74@snet.net> My feeling is that this ia a strong pointer to the overall demise of the cassette format by the mainstream user. There are simply more decks than buyers and the market value seems to have tumbled... good time to buy. I listed a 581 with brand new belts a while back and it couldn't top $107 in spite of being in excellent condition (btw, if anyone would like a nice 581, I'd let it go for $225). Ed Warren wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353321188&r=0&t=0&showTu > torial=0&ed=1022113358&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > or item number 1353321188 > also known as working nak 1000 for $102.00 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat May 25 07:15:46 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 22:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap In-Reply-To: <3CEF032B.B9675C74@snet.net> Message-ID: <20020525051546.59881.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> I couldn't agree more. In fact I haven't been making any casssette recordings lately and am seriously considering moving on to recordable CD. Javier --- Ed Noyes wrote: > My feeling is that this ia a strong pointer to the > overall demise of the cassette > format by the mainstream user. There are simply more > decks than buyers and the market > value seems to have tumbled... good time to buy. I > listed a 581 with brand new belts a > while back and it couldn't top $107 in spite of > being in excellent condition (btw, if > anyone would like a nice 581, I'd let it go for > $225). > > Ed > > Warren wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353321188&r=0&t=0&showTu > > torial=0&ed=1022113358&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > > > or item number 1353321188 > > also known as working nak 1000 for $102.00 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat May 25 14:49:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 08:49:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap References: <20020525051546.59881.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CEF8869.DB6A8314@rcn.com> I don't feel CDs are a direct competitor to cassettes for home recording. I have been recording CDs for ages, but still record cassettes from time to time; not to mention, keep listening to my old cassette recordings. I prefer cassettes for analog originals (LPs, radio) and when the timing fits the cassette format (less than 90 minutes, with a natural break at less than 45 minutes). CDs are better for copying original CDs and when the recording is longer than 110 minutes. Also, I prefer cassettes in the car. At this point, I still have more home recorded cassettes (a couple of hundred or so) than CDs (less than a hundred), though I have many more CDs than cassettes of the pre-recorded kind. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > I couldn't agree more. In fact I haven't been making > any casssette recordings lately and am seriously > considering moving on to recordable CD. > Javier > > --- Ed Noyes wrote: > > My feeling is that this ia a strong pointer to the > > overall demise of the cassette > > format by the mainstream user. There are simply more > > decks than buyers and the market > > value seems to have tumbled... good time to buy. I > > listed a 581 with brand new belts a > > while back and it couldn't top $107 in spite of > > being in excellent condition (btw, if > > anyone would like a nice 581, I'd let it go for > > $225). > > > > Ed > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353321188&r=0&t=0&showTu > > > torial=0&ed=1022113358&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > > > > > or item number 1353321188 > > > also known as working nak 1000 for $102.00 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat May 25 17:40:03 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 10:40:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap In-Reply-To: <3CEF8869.DB6A8314@rcn.com> Message-ID: Cassettes may not be competitors to CD-R's for most people on this list and a few more of us who have been using this format in the past. To the younger generation this is a more or less unknown media. Almost kind of like a rotary phone. I asked my younger Son, who is 6, to use one during the visit to friends - he wasn't sure what it was, yet he knows how to burn a CD ... I have at least one cassette player in each room of my house, and there are quite a few rooms. Neither of my Boys is using them to record anything. I do recordings of mixes for the car, as it is quicker and more involving to do it that way than to use a CD. However, if I have the song already on the computer, I am much more inclined to burn a CD. A convenience of direct access, etc. In addition, as I travel, most of the rental cars would have a car stereo with Radio and CD and no tape ... In addition, there are no good new cassette players. In the US market, nobody with the exception of SONY is making nowadays 3 head tape decks (Ok, there is also DR-10). Most of the used gear is getting pretty old, parts hard to find. The quality and availability of blank cassettes is going down. My 0.02 cents. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sat, May 25, 2002 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap I don't feel CDs are a direct competitor to cassettes for home recording. I have been recording CDs for ages, but still record cassettes from time to time; not to mention, keep listening to my old cassette recordings. I prefer cassettes for analog originals (LPs, radio) and when the timing fits the cassette format (less than 90 minutes, with a natural break at less than 45 minutes). CDs are better for copying original CDs and when the recording is longer than 110 minutes. Also, I prefer cassettes in the car. At this point, I still have more home recorded cassettes (a couple of hundred or so) than CDs (less than a hundred), though I have many more CDs than cassettes of the pre-recorded kind. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > I couldn't agree more. In fact I haven't been making > any casssette recordings lately and am seriously > considering moving on to recordable CD. > Javier > > --- Ed Noyes wrote: > > My feeling is that this ia a strong pointer to the > > overall demise of the cassette > > format by the mainstream user. There are simply more > > decks than buyers and the market > > value seems to have tumbled... good time to buy. I > > listed a 581 with brand new belts a > > while back and it couldn't top $107 in spite of > > being in excellent condition (btw, if > > anyone would like a nice 581, I'd let it go for > > $225). > > > > Ed > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1353321188&r=0&t=0&showTu > > > torial=0&ed=1022113358&indexURL=0&rd=1 > > > > > > or item number 1353321188 > > > also known as working nak 1000 for $102.00 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'm still an all-analogue hound. I recently compared a cassette tape I recorded on my NAK with a CDR I made of the same vinyl material. The digital recorder in question is a CDR-20 Harman Kardon. The Turntable combo I used was my Clearaudio Champion II/ Origin Live modified Rega RB250/ Benz-Micro "Ruby II" LOMC cartridge. I connected my EAR 834P phono stage directly to the NAK and the HK for recording purposes. Comparing both recordings, I heard a more realistic playback with the NAK. In the "real world" however, everybody that has heard both recordings wants a copy of the CDR...........primarily because they no longer have a decent Cassette deck!! I've sent both recordings to a equipment/music critic I know who writes for both "Listener" & "Stereophile" magazines. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say after to listening to the two sources on a $75,000 playback system. Alas, my 2 channel audio system is a mere $25,000 one. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat May 25 22:26:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 21:26:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Shure V15 In-Reply-To: <005801c20328$d0c805e0$94021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <005701c2042a$707be320$02c387d9@a4s1s2> I read recently that some fans of the V15 reckon the Mk II version was the best of the family before or since, although there was no explanation as to why this might be the case. I'm thinking it's probably hot air! Or, is there some rationale behind this claim? Anyone know? Just curious (having, incidentally, won one with a brand new stylus) Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat May 25 22:36:51 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:36:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2310 (Isoprop Use/Demise of Cassette Decks) Message-ID: Greetings, I have a couple responses to digest postings. See below.... K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sat, 25 May 2002 18:41:43 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Saturday, May 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2310 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Just for you information - Isopropil alcohol used in 99.99% of vinil cleaning solutions. Indeed, isoprop alcohol is the best solution to use. Nevertheless, my advise is to use as little solution as possible, isoprop or that other stuff sold at local audio stores. First though, consider using a medium soft vinyl cleaning brush, like the very effective AudioQuest brush. Then, after loosening the particulate matter in the grooves, go for the solution with whatever gadgets you have for cleaning. Those vacuum cleaning gadgets are quite nice too! K.J. Bleus > >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:04:40 +0200 (EET) >From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Alcohol for LP's?? > >Hi Roland, > >Just for you information - Isopropil alcohol used in 99.99% of vinil cleaning solutions. >Maybe this fact is not well known and I see only one reason for it - people want to sell >those solutions for as high price they can get. But at the same time you may get >isopropil times cheaper in a nearest store. >Defenitely do not harm any of my LP so far anyway ;-) > >Misha > >>John (Walker), I was surprised you mentioned using isopropyl alcohol to clean LPs. > Is this for conventional cleaning or only if they are covered in a layer of gluey grossness? >Wouldn't alcohol be too harsh for the vinyl? I'm not saying you're wrong, just never heard of such a thing before. >> >>--Roland > > I've been into the audio CDR cycle now for nearly five years now. But I've not diminished my good feelings for recording analog cassettes. In fact, I'm in a cycle now of doing more cassette recording again, mostly for personal use, but also now for some exchanges with like-minded friends through the internet. And I continue to be staunch about keeping my mobile Nak gear in tiptop shape for daily commuting and leisure travel. Thank goodness for our connections through the internet, truly the life blood of keeping our common interests alive !!! K.J. Bleus > >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 23:21:17 -0400 >From: Ed Noyes >Subject: Re: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap > >- --------------9A6D9EF3DEB0680B0C91B4A4 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >My feeling is that this ia a strong pointer to the overall demise of the cassette >format by the mainstream user. There are simply more decks than buyers and the market >value seems to have tumbled... good time to buy. I listed a 581 with brand new belts a >while back and it couldn't top $107 in spite of being in excellent condition (btw, if >anyone would like a nice 581, I'd let it go for $225). > >Ed Ahhh, but look at the handsome prices brought to bear when the mid 1980's Nak classics are placed on the auction block at ebay.com. The ZX's, ZXL's, RX's, and Dragons in pristine condition still fetch some serious pounds of salt on the open market. But even that market will eventually dry up and vanish. I remember the tape man once saying that cassette recording technology is a doomed science, maybe even as soon as the year 2010. But I plan to continue doing my analogue music gig well after I retire for being a working individual, which will be about the year 2015 or so. K.J. Bleus > >Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 08:49:45 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] why do you think this went so cheap > >I don't feel CDs are a direct competitor to cassettes >for home recording. I have been recording CDs for ages, >but still record cassettes from time to time; not to >mention, keep listening to my old cassette recordings. > >I prefer cassettes for analog originals (LPs, radio) >and when the timing fits the cassette format (less >than 90 minutes, with a natural break at less than 45 >minutes). CDs are better for copying original CDs and >when the recording is longer than 110 minutes. Also, >I prefer cassettes in the car. > >At this point, I still have more home recorded cassettes >(a couple of hundred or so) than CDs (less than a >hundred), though I have many more CDs than cassettes of >the pre-recorded kind. > >- -- Ron > I agree with Ron, us middle aged audio enthusiasts will carry on with Nak cassette products, the gear we grew up with, which will inevitably vanish when our generation passes on in thirty or forty years time. Boo-hoo, just to think of it all as time moves forward. Meanwhile, I intend to enjoy the analogue cassette scene as much as possible. I hope most of you agree with me too. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2310 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun May 26 04:55:15 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:55:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Shure V15 References: <005701c2042a$707be320$02c387d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CF04E91.34B2412D@snet.net> The first really good (by the standards of the day) cartridge that I ever owned was a V15 Type II. When my dad bought a Type IV for the old Dual 1219, I inherited his. Funny that even at the tender age of 14, I knew enough that the first thing I did was hook up an additional 6 feet of interconnect to try to get the capacitance loading up. Like nearly all of the early Shure's (pre 1978 or so) the Type II really wanted to see about 450pf of capacitance on the input with a typical load of 200 or so pf resulting in a broad 6 or so db boost from about 5 to 15k! I do remember this as being a really nice sounding cart with a very lively presentation to say the least. In hindsight I don't think it was any match for the Type IV which proved to be a landmark for the company, but the type II was probably far better than it's successor the Type III which received a very mixed reception primarily due to some cantilever resonance problems. Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > I read recently that some fans of the V15 reckon the Mk II version was the > best of the family before or since, although there was no explanation as to > why this might be the case. I'm thinking it's probably hot air! Or, is > there some rationale behind this claim? Anyone know? > > Just curious (having, incidentally, won one with a brand new stylus) > > Graham > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sun May 26 10:33:43 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:33:43 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Message-ID: I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across two listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically "there's a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony DAT player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's the verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment (several Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the faceplate. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun May 26 16:02:20 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 10:02:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Shure V15 References: <005701c2042a$707be320$02c387d9@a4s1s2> <3CF04E91.34B2412D@snet.net> Message-ID: <3CF0EAEC.B62ECC5@rcn.com> Before my current V15-VMR, I owned a previous model V-15 (don't recall what type it was, probably type II), mounted in a Dual 704. It sat right next to the amplifier, so cable capacitive loading was negligible. I soldered 270pF mylar caps right across the cartridge terminals at the TT base. I spent a lot of time listening to the cartridge with various capacitance values and, IIRC, this was sonically the best value for the cartridge (and my personal preference). I do recall that increasing the value beyond that, didn't make a heluva lot of difference. Currently, I have a V15-VMR, mounted in a ReVox TT and feeding a phono stage mounted inside the TT base. Even though the cable length is now only a couple of inches, 270pF still sounds about right. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > The first really good (by the standards of the day) cartridge that I ever owned was a > V15 Type II. When my dad bought a Type IV for the old Dual 1219, I inherited his. > Funny that even at the tender age of 14, I knew enough that the first thing I did was > hook up an additional 6 feet of interconnect to try to get the capacitance loading up. > Like nearly all of the early Shure's (pre 1978 or so) the Type II really wanted to see > about 450pf of capacitance on the input with a typical load of 200 or so pf resulting > in a broad 6 or so db boost from about 5 to 15k! I do remember this as being a really > nice sounding cart with a very lively presentation to say the least. In hindsight I > don't think it was any match for the Type IV which proved to be a landmark for the > company, but the type II was probably far better than it's successor the Type III > which received a very mixed reception primarily due to some cantilever resonance > problems. > > Ed > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > I read recently that some fans of the V15 reckon the Mk II version was the > > best of the family before or since, although there was no explanation as to > > why this might be the case. I'm thinking it's probably hot air! Or, is > > there some rationale behind this claim? Anyone know? > > > > Just curious (having, incidentally, won one with a brand new stylus) > > > > Graham > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sun May 26 20:59:29 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 19:59:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c204e7$7a393080$6ed786d9@JAS> I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - maybe someone else knows more? The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me if I'm wrong. JaS www.vinylengine.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across two listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically "there's a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony DAT player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's the verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment (several Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the faceplate. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun May 26 21:18:34 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 20:18:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <000301c204e7$7a393080$6ed786d9@JAS> Message-ID: <000601c204ea$2164aea0$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> JaS A bit dear? Do you think so? I thought it was about mid range. Seen them cheaper but I've seen them in Loot dearer than that, too ... though, of course, you never know if they sold at the higher price!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 26 May 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - maybe someone else knows more? The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me if I'm wrong. JaS www.vinylengine.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across two listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically "there's a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony DAT player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's the verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment (several Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the faceplate. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kroger1032 at rogers.com Sun May 26 22:12:17 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 16:12:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? References: <000601c204ea$2164aea0$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001a01c204f1$a66bb060$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Hi All. The Sony is quite an old model and is overpriced. I have 2 of the DTC-2000ES dats that Gordon Holt in Stereofool raved about and they are the best dats that I have ever heard, 4 heads, 4 motors, much better A/D & D/A converters, will record at 32, 44 or 48khz, has SBM and is built like the proverbial brick ____house. I have seen them sell on e-pay for around $700.00 ( I believe that they listed for $2,800.00 new). The DTC 60ES is a cheaper alternative at around $300.00 used on e-pay. I still prefer my Naks (and Tandberg and Revox) however. I picked up an Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S deck recently which has been fun to play with. Does anyone have any of the little 70s & 80s British digests of tape deck tests? I would love to get copies of some of the tests! Kevin Rogers > JaS > > A bit dear? Do you think so? I thought it was about mid range. Seen them > cheaper but I've seen them in Loot dearer than that, too ... though, of > course, you never know if they sold at the higher price!!! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > doctordeaf > Sent: 26 May 2002 07:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > > I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - > maybe someone else knows more? > The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch > one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are > expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I > presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me > if I'm wrong. > > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of George Valkov > Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across > two > listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically > "there's > a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? > > I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony > DAT > player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's > the > verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, > probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment > (several > Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" > written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the > faceplate. > > Thanks, > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sun May 26 22:19:39 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 21:19:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <000601c204ea$2164aea0$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000001c204f2$ad66afe0$0100a8c0@JAS> Hi Graham old chap, I meant dear for a poor-average condition one, DAT seems (rightly so) to have tumbled in price of late. I'd rather use a high quality tape deck or hard disk recording on my PC, DAT is outdated for digital and never had the detail of an analogue recording anyway. I will also never forgive it for its use as a mastering medium and for archiving by record companies - a lot of good recordings have been lost to DAT and I will not mourn its passing. Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) JaS www.vinylengine.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 May 2002 20:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? JaS A bit dear? Do you think so? I thought it was about mid range. Seen them cheaper but I've seen them in Loot dearer than that, too ... though, of course, you never know if they sold at the higher price!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 26 May 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - maybe someone else knows more? The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me if I'm wrong. JaS www.vinylengine.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across two listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically "there's a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony DAT player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's the verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment (several Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the faceplate. Thanks, George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon May 27 00:19:22 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:19:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? References: <000001c204f2$ad66afe0$0100a8c0@JAS> Message-ID: <00de01c20503$63cb64f0$4e756acf@johnrotten> What B.S.! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > Hi Graham old chap, > I meant dear for a poor-average condition one, DAT seems (rightly so) to > have tumbled in price of late. I'd rather use a high quality tape deck > or hard disk recording on my PC, DAT is outdated for digital and never > had the detail of an analogue recording anyway. > I will also never forgive it for its use as a mastering medium and for > archiving by record companies - a lot of good recordings have been lost > to DAT and I will not mourn its passing. > > Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 26 May 2002 20:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > JaS > > A bit dear? Do you think so? I thought it was about mid range. Seen > them > cheaper but I've seen them in Loot dearer than that, too ... though, of > course, you never know if they sold at the higher price!!! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > doctordeaf > Sent: 26 May 2002 07:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > > I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - > maybe someone else knows more? > The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch > one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are > expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I > presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me > if I'm wrong. > > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of George Valkov > Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across > two > listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically > "there's > a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? > > I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony > DAT > player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's > the > verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, > probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment > (several > Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" > written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the > faceplate. > > Thanks, > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 01:07:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:07:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report In-Reply-To: <001a01c204f1$a66bb060$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <000701c2050a$10fe2c60$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: 26 May 2002 09:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Kevin I have a test report on this deck somewhere - I'll try to find it. As I recall, it was heralded in the UK as the first cassette deck where Dolby S actually worked properly. Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Hi All. The Sony is quite an old model and is overpriced. I have 2 of the DTC-2000ES dats that Gordon Holt in Stereofool raved about and they are the best dats that I have ever heard, 4 heads, 4 motors, much better A/D & D/A converters, will record at 32, 44 or 48khz, has SBM and is built like the proverbial brick ____house. I have seen them sell on e-pay for around $700.00 ( I believe that they listed for $2,800.00 new). The DTC 60ES is a cheaper alternative at around $300.00 used on e-pay. I still prefer my Naks (and Tandberg and Revox) however. I picked up an Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S deck recently which has been fun to play with. Does anyone have any of the little 70s & 80s British digests of tape deck tests? I would love to get copies of some of the tests! Kevin Rogers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 01:10:10 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:10:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <000001c204f2$ad66afe0$0100a8c0@JAS> Message-ID: <000801c2050a$7beaea40$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) JaS www.vinylengine.com LOL! Yeah! An' I'll bet you' wish the recording companies stayed with those tube Revox open reel machines, too!! ;o) Grinham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon May 27 01:15:40 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:15:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <00de01c20503$63cb64f0$4e756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <000001c2050b$43f90e90$40e787d9@JAS> John I don't understand?? (a) "The deck is dear is" BS? - I will track down used prices if you want - it's too expensive!! Or (b) "I will mourn the death of DAT" BS? - If you truly believe that DAT is anything but a good, if old-fashioned digital recording medium please explain how it is capable (within its limits) of even equalling analogue technology at present? It's just an opinion based on what I've heard mind, as an ex-DAT head I really think its D.E.A.D - bye bye DAT Or (c) "never forgive it for its use as a mastering medium and for archiving by record companies" BS? - maybe I am ill-informed but I believe that a lot of old reel to reel recordings where 'archived' to DAT by major record companies to 'save' them, you might as well have re-recorded them with soundalikes and burnt the originals as offerings to the god of digital....and as for digital studio recordings from around 10 years ago which have ended up in an analogue format, well enough said.. Or (d) "Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue" (?) BS?- OK you got me, I'm a tape head, so shoot me! Best Regards JaS Ps love the concise reply -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 26 May 2002 23:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? What B.S.! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > Hi Graham old chap, > I meant dear for a poor-average condition one, DAT seems (rightly so) to > have tumbled in price of late. I'd rather use a high quality tape deck > or hard disk recording on my PC, DAT is outdated for digital and never > had the detail of an analogue recording anyway. > I will also never forgive it for its use as a mastering medium and for > archiving by record companies - a lot of good recordings have been lost > to DAT and I will not mourn its passing. > > Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 26 May 2002 20:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > JaS > > A bit dear? Do you think so? I thought it was about mid range. Seen > them > cheaper but I've seen them in Loot dearer than that, too ... though, of > course, you never know if they sold at the higher price!!! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > doctordeaf > Sent: 26 May 2002 07:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > > I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - > maybe someone else knows more? > The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch > one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are > expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I > presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me > if I'm wrong. > > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of George Valkov > Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across > two > listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically > "there's > a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? > > I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony > DAT > player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's > the > verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, > probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment > (several > Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" > written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the > faceplate. > > Thanks, > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: Sun, May 26, 2002 6:16 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? John I don't understand?? (a) "The deck is dear is" BS? - I will track down used prices if you want - it's too expensive!! Or (b) "I will mourn the death of DAT" BS? - If you truly believe that DAT is anything but a good, if old-fashioned digital recording medium please explain how it is capable (within its limits) of even equalling analogue technology at present? It's just an opinion based on what I've heard mind, as an ex-DAT head I really think its D.E.A.D - bye bye DAT Or (c) "never forgive it for its use as a mastering medium and for archiving by record companies" BS? - maybe I am ill-informed but I believe that a lot of old reel to reel recordings where 'archived' to DAT by major record companies to 'save' them, you might as well have re-recorded them with soundalikes and burnt the originals as offerings to the god of digital....and as for digital studio recordings from around 10 years ago which have ended up in an analogue format, well enough said.. Or (d) "Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue" (?) BS?- OK you got me, I'm a tape head, so shoot me! Best Regards JaS Ps love the concise reply -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 26 May 2002 23:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? What B.S.! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "doctordeaf" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > Hi Graham old chap, > I meant dear for a poor-average condition one, DAT seems (rightly so) to > have tumbled in price of late. I'd rather use a high quality tape deck > or hard disk recording on my PC, DAT is outdated for digital and never > had the detail of an analogue recording anyway. > I will also never forgive it for its use as a mastering medium and for > archiving by record companies - a lot of good recordings have been lost > to DAT and I will not mourn its passing. > > Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 26 May 2002 20:19 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > JaS > > A bit dear? Do you think so? I thought it was about mid range. Seen > them > cheaper but I've seen them in Loot dearer than that, too ... though, of > course, you never know if they sold at the higher price!!! > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > doctordeaf > Sent: 26 May 2002 07:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > > I believe the H1 was a B 215 in a different (prettier) set of clothes - > maybe someone else knows more? > The DTC 1000ES is a bit dear (even at UK prices!) and I wouldn't touch > one that's had heavy use in a studio at any price - Sony spares are > expensive and rare in my experience. They never recorded at 48khz so I > presume hhb was a mod that added this feature? - again anyone correct me > if I'm wrong. > > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of George Valkov > Sent: 26 May 2002 09:34 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > I was browsing through the springair site this morning and came across > two > listings of Revox H-1 cassette decks. The description was basically > "there's > a B-215 inside". Anyone know more about this one ? > > I have another one : Yesterday I saw in a second-hand shop a used Sony > DAT > player - DTC 1000ES (not sure about the letters) for about $350. What's > the > verdict on this one - at this price? It looked like it seen heavy use, > probably in a studio, since the shop sold mainly studio equipment > (several > Akai samplers, variuos effects, etc.) and it had something like "hhb" > written below the "Sony" and just above the 44.1/48 switch on the > faceplate. > > Thanks, > > George > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <000801c2050a$7beaea40$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000101c20510$21b375a0$40e787d9@JAS> Steady Gram' I'm no valve nut, I'm post punk don't you know! I just think that analogue had a long way to go and its potential was missed in a rush to digital. I honestly think we are really close to a digital format that will trounce all previous formats on every count, and that a lot of good music will never be satisfactorily transferable to this new format because the best medium was not used in the studio - and DAT has never been an ideal solution. Noise can be removed, detail and feeling can never be put back and DAT was never suitable for the studio - it missed that final something that makes a recording seem real. DAT was an excellent idea as it sounded (sounds) great on certain levels, but I record now in much higher quality, and at much higher theoretical quality, using a fast computer and top quality add-on cards, but I subscribe to this list because good quality analogue recordings still compete - after 20 years of digital - DAT does not, so why was it ever let near the studio? I fell for Data's promise even though I never believed CD's hype, I still listen to superb live recordings I made over 10 years ago on DAT and the memories come flooding back, I just wish I had used high end analogue though - the difference is clear...if it wasn't I would have dropped this list a long time ago. Yours getting closer to a digital heaven JaS -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 27 May 2002 00:10 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) JaS www.vinylengine.com LOL! Yeah! An' I'll bet you' wish the recording companies stayed with those tube Revox open reel machines, too!! ;o) Grinham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 01:59:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:59:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue ...and DAT In-Reply-To: <000001c2050b$43f90e90$40e787d9@JAS> Message-ID: <000901c20511$715d0660$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> JaS Methinks you are a little too harsh on DAT ... although some (most?) DATs are a little too harsh on the music! A relative of mine much preferred his Panasonic SV3700 to his CR7 for archiving records or pirating CDs. And when it was working, I'm not at all sure that my Sony PCM2500 is inferior to my ZX9 with regard to detail or tonal accuracy. It certainly stamps on the graves of all other cassette machines I've had before the ZX9! Also DAT long-play is also very handy for recording long concerts off the radio.... I'm sure it would have done much better in the domestic market if only it had been better supported by the software houses. Indeed, I am sure some of the old DATs (like that super Pioneer DAT - forget the model) could produce better quality recordings that most CDR machines of today, what with higher sampling rates. Unlike CD, DAT never reached the critical mass point. . Here I'm thinking it is not always the worst mediums that fail but the worst supported. CD is a case in point. It's good but not fantastic, but it's good enough for 99.9% of the population because the marketing of it has been tremendous. Greatly exaggerated perhaps, esp. in the 1980s, but brilliant nevertheless, and certainly of a magnitude that dwarfed poor old analogue. There are surely better mediums than CD about right now (analogue on vinyl, for one!) but they show little chance of success given the fact that CDs have saturated the audio market so much so that there are players and huge investments in CD collections in most households who no one expect the rich would consider junking for some new medium that is only marginally "better" than CD. However .... before digititus spreads too much despondency, never say never with regard to the possibility of analogue re-emerging ... because I read the other day that a new generation of STEAM TRAINS look set to kick out the current range of diesel and electric ones ... not coal-fired but high efficiency diesel burners and boilers ... So, if the age of steam engines isn't dead there has got to be hope for analogue, too!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 02:04:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:04:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <000101c20510$21b375a0$40e787d9@JAS> Message-ID: <000a01c20512$049ddd00$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 27 May 2002 12:51 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? "Steady Gram' I'm no valve nut, I'm post punk don't you know!" Post Punk, eh? Hmmmm .... a YOUNGSTER !!! (I'm pre-punk but still an Ian Drury fan - good ol' Stiff Records!) ;o) Grinham I --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon May 27 02:11:19 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:11:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report In-Reply-To: <000701c2050a$10fe2c60$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000501c20513$0a76f1c0$40e787d9@JAS> Graham, I remember The Arcam got great reviews at the time (£800-£900?) but I was a bit concerned about its heritage. Any idea from the test report who actually built it, or supplied the transport? It would be great to find out it was a Nak in drag, but somehow I doubt it :) Regards JaS -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 27 May 2002 00:07 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Rogers Sent: 26 May 2002 09:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Kevin I have a test report on this deck somewhere - I'll try to find it. As I recall, it was heralded in the UK as the first cassette deck where Dolby S actually worked properly. Graham ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 3:18 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? Hi All. The Sony is quite an old model and is overpriced. I have 2 of the DTC-2000ES dats that Gordon Holt in Stereofool raved about and they are the best dats that I have ever heard, 4 heads, 4 motors, much better A/D & D/A converters, will record at 32, 44 or 48khz, has SBM and is built like the proverbial brick ____house. I have seen them sell on e-pay for around $700.00 ( I believe that they listed for $2,800.00 new). The DTC 60ES is a cheaper alternative at around $300.00 used on e-pay. I still prefer my Naks (and Tandberg and Revox) however. I picked up an Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S deck recently which has been fun to play with. Does anyone have any of the little 70s & 80s British digests of tape deck tests? I would love to get copies of some of the tests! Kevin Rogers --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon May 27 02:21:37 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:21:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue ...and DAT In-Reply-To: <000901c20511$715d0660$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c20514$7aa8e8d0$40e787d9@JAS> Gra'M I guess if you bring CDR into it I'm a reborn DAT fan - though it's damn near perfect for copying CD's! Harsh yes, forgiving maybe? As for analogue, the better digital gets the bigger the microscope you'll need to tell the difference so I'm also a reborn optimist! Thanks for reminding me that the futures bright but a hell of a lot of the music that brought me through to manhood was recorded digitally :( so please don't judge my outburst too unkindly, a bitter man is a mere shandy :) Happy days JaS www.vinylengine.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 27 May 2002 01:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Analogue ...and DAT JaS Methinks you are a little too harsh on DAT ... although some (most?) DATs are a little too harsh on the music! A relative of mine much preferred his Panasonic SV3700 to his CR7 for archiving records or pirating CDs. And when it was working, I'm not at all sure that my Sony PCM2500 is inferior to my ZX9 with regard to detail or tonal accuracy. It certainly stamps on the graves of all other cassette machines I've had before the ZX9! Also DAT long-play is also very handy for recording long concerts off the radio.... I'm sure it would have done much better in the domestic market if only it had been better supported by the software houses. Indeed, I am sure some of the old DATs (like that super Pioneer DAT - forget the model) could produce better quality recordings that most CDR machines of today, what with higher sampling rates. Unlike CD, DAT never reached the critical mass point. . Here I'm thinking it is not always the worst mediums that fail but the worst supported. CD is a case in point. It's good but not fantastic, but it's good enough for 99.9% of the population because the marketing of it has been tremendous. Greatly exaggerated perhaps, esp. in the 1980s, but brilliant nevertheless, and certainly of a magnitude that dwarfed poor old analogue. There are surely better mediums than CD about right now (analogue on vinyl, for one!) but they show little chance of success given the fact that CDs have saturated the audio market so much so that there are players and huge investments in CD collections in most households who no one expect the rich would consider junking for some new medium that is only marginally "better" than CD. However .... before digititus spreads too much despondency, never say never with regard to the possibility of analogue re-emerging ... because I read the other day that a new generation of STEAM TRAINS look set to kick out the current range of diesel and electric ones ... not coal-fired but high efficiency diesel burners and boilers ... So, if the age of steam engines isn't dead there has got to be hope for analogue, too!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon May 27 02:36:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 20:36:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? References: <000101c20510$21b375a0$40e787d9@JAS> Message-ID: <3CF17F8F.B7059128@rcn.com> There was a face-off between DAT and analog (0ops... I meant, analogue) cassette a couple of years back -- I wish I could recall what magazine it was, but don't. In any case, they did a pretty extensive comparison on various types of program material. The bottom line was, they found the two formats almost neck to neck. 'Almost', because, when push came to shove, the cassette won out by a hair, in terms of transparency, airiness and presence. These qualities outweighed (in their subjective opinions) the DAT's lower noise floor. (But I can see how the lower noise attribute could outweigh cassette's better sonics in a recording studio environment, where the final result could be a third or fourth generation.) -- Ron doctordeaf wrote: > > Steady Gram' I'm no valve nut, I'm post punk don't you know! > > I just think that analogue had a long way to go and its potential was > missed in a rush to digital. I honestly think we are really close to a > digital format that will trounce all previous formats on every count, > and that a lot of good music will never be satisfactorily transferable > to this new format because the best medium was not used in the studio - > and DAT has never been an ideal solution. Noise can be removed, detail > and feeling can never be put back and DAT was never suitable for the > studio - it missed that final something that makes a recording seem > real. DAT was an excellent idea as it sounded (sounds) great on certain > levels, but I record now in much higher quality, and at much higher > theoretical quality, using a fast computer and top quality add-on cards, > but I subscribe to this list because good quality analogue recordings > still compete - after 20 years of digital - DAT does not, so why was it > ever let near the studio? I fell for Data's promise even though I never > believed CD's hype, I still listen to superb live recordings I made over > 10 years ago on DAT and the memories come flooding back, I just wish I > had used high end analogue though - the difference is clear...if it > wasn't I would have dropped this list a long time ago. > > Yours getting closer to a digital heaven > JaS > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 27 May 2002 00:10 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > LOL! Yeah! An' I'll bet you' wish the recording companies stayed with > those tube Revox open reel machines, too!! ;o) > > Grinham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Mon May 27 02:48:23 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:48:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <3CF17F8F.B7059128@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c20518$37f9b1a0$40e787d9@JAS> "where the final result could be a third or fourth generation" Don't start me off on minidisc :) JaS -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 27 May 2002 01:37 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? There was a face-off between DAT and analog (0ops... I meant, analogue) cassette a couple of years back -- I wish I could recall what magazine it was, but don't. In any case, they did a pretty extensive comparison on various types of program material. The bottom line was, they found the two formats almost neck to neck. 'Almost', because, when push came to shove, the cassette won out by a hair, in terms of transparency, airiness and presence. These qualities outweighed (in their subjective opinions) the DAT's lower noise floor. (But I can see how the lower noise attribute could outweigh cassette's better sonics in a recording studio environment, where the final result could be a third or fourth generation.) -- Ron doctordeaf wrote: > > Steady Gram' I'm no valve nut, I'm post punk don't you know! > > I just think that analogue had a long way to go and its potential was > missed in a rush to digital. I honestly think we are really close to a > digital format that will trounce all previous formats on every count, > and that a lot of good music will never be satisfactorily transferable > to this new format because the best medium was not used in the studio - > and DAT has never been an ideal solution. Noise can be removed, detail > and feeling can never be put back and DAT was never suitable for the > studio - it missed that final something that makes a recording seem > real. DAT was an excellent idea as it sounded (sounds) great on certain > levels, but I record now in much higher quality, and at much higher > theoretical quality, using a fast computer and top quality add-on cards, > but I subscribe to this list because good quality analogue recordings > still compete - after 20 years of digital - DAT does not, so why was it > ever let near the studio? I fell for Data's promise even though I never > believed CD's hype, I still listen to superb live recordings I made over > 10 years ago on DAT and the memories come flooding back, I just wish I > had used high end analogue though - the difference is clear...if it > wasn't I would have dropped this list a long time ago. > > Yours getting closer to a digital heaven > JaS > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf > Of Graham Nelson > Sent: 27 May 2002 00:10 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? > > Yours with absolutely no bias towards analogue(?) > JaS > www.vinylengine.com > > LOL! Yeah! An' I'll bet you' wish the recording companies stayed with > those tube Revox open reel machines, too!! ;o) > > Grinham ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon May 27 08:22:40 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 23:22:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Analogue ...and DAT In-Reply-To: <000901c20511$715d0660$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: The only real good use for DAT was/is for taping live concerts. It is small and provides very good sound assuming the following: a) first class microphones used (vintage tube mics best or modern schoeps/neumann) b) high quality microphone preamplifier (most portable DAT decks have a cheap mic preamp section) c) a high quality analogue to digital converter is used....the output of the mic preamp goes into the A>D and then the digital output goes into the DAT via the digital interface good source material helps, of course. When all of the above things are done truly wonderful recordings can be made at either 44.1 or 48khz. Sony, TASCAM, Teac, and other consumer (and the pro stuff, too) units have cheap preamps and digital converters (both A/D and D/A). I use an Audio Note DAC at home for my digital processor and a TASCAM DA30 DAT pro unit for playback Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 5:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Analogue ...and DAT JaS Methinks you are a little too harsh on DAT ... although some (most?) DATs are a little too harsh on the music! A relative of mine much preferred his Panasonic SV3700 to his CR7 for archiving records or pirating CDs. And when it was working, I'm not at all sure that my Sony PCM2500 is inferior to my ZX9 with regard to detail or tonal accuracy. It certainly stamps on the graves of all other cassette machines I've had before the ZX9! Also DAT long-play is also very handy for recording long concerts off the radio.... I'm sure it would have done much better in the domestic market if only it had been better supported by the software houses. Indeed, I am sure some of the old DATs (like that super Pioneer DAT - forget the model) could produce better quality recordings that most CDR machines of today, what with higher sampling rates. Unlike CD, DAT never reached the critical mass point. . Here I'm thinking it is not always the worst mediums that fail but the worst supported. CD is a case in point. It's good but not fantastic, but it's good enough for 99.9% of the population because the marketing of it has been tremendous. Greatly exaggerated perhaps, esp. in the 1980s, but brilliant nevertheless, and certainly of a magnitude that dwarfed poor old analogue. There are surely better mediums than CD about right now (analogue on vinyl, for one!) but they show little chance of success given the fact that CDs have saturated the audio market so much so that there are players and huge investments in CD collections in most households who no one expect the rich would consider junking for some new medium that is only marginally "better" than CD. However .... before digititus spreads too much despondency, never say never with regard to the possibility of analogue re-emerging ... because I read the other day that a new generation of STEAM TRAINS look set to kick out the current range of diesel and electric ones ... not coal-fired but high efficiency diesel burners and boilers ... So, if the age of steam engines isn't dead there has got to be hope for analogue, too!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3856 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 08:58:47 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 07:58:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report In-Reply-To: <000501c20513$0a76f1c0$40e787d9@JAS> Message-ID: <000d01c2054b$f31941c0$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Gosh, I really can't remember ... twas such a long time ago! I'll venture into the loft space tonight to see if I can find the magazine ... think it was in Hi Fi World .... If you don't hear from me in 24 hours send a rescue team ... I'm going in .... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of doctordeaf Sent: 27 May 2002 01:11 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report Graham, I remember The Arcam got great reviews at the time (£800-£900?) but I was a bit concerned about its heritage. Any idea from the test report who actually built it, or supplied the transport? It would be great to find out it was a Nak in drag, but somehow I doubt it :) Regards JaS --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 09:04:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:04:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? In-Reply-To: <3CF17F8F.B7059128@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2054c$b1352a20$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> What Hi Fi did a test like that, too ....only they pitched an Sward Winning Philips CDR (forget which model), one of Sony's best (at the time ) MD machines - both of which were about £300-£500 - against £200 worth of Yamaha cassette ... Guess which medium lost?! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 27 May 2002 01:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Revox H-1 ? There was a face-off between DAT and analog (0ops... I meant, analogue) cassette a couple of years back -- I wish I could recall what magazine it was, but don't. In any case, they did a pretty extensive comparison on various types of program material. The bottom line was, they found the two formats almost neck to neck. 'Almost', because, when push came to shove, the cassette won out by a hair, in terms of transparency, airiness and presence. These qualities outweighed (in their subjective opinions) the DAT's lower noise floor. (But I can see how the lower noise attribute could outweigh cassette's better sonics in a recording studio environment, where the final result could be a third or fourth generation.) -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon May 27 09:15:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:15:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Message for Bleus In-Reply-To: <3CF17F8F.B7059128@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001101c2054e$44ef0be0$4ecf87d9@a4s1s2> Buddy Sent a reply to you and just received a "Warning: message 17BcDH-0008JQ-00 delayed 24 hours" Any problems with your ISP?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon May 27 14:24:01 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:24:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK ST 7 Message-ID: <002001c20579$692af5c0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Hello ! Can someone please help me ! Ever since I bought this unit whenever the electricity goes off the unit immediately suffers from Alsheimers desease and loses all the stored stations. Someone selling his unit on eBay lately warns that his ST 7 has the same malady but he was advised : 'the simple replacment of one or two transistors fixes the problem' ! If somebody knows the surgical procedure can they please advise me bearing in mind that I have no 'schematics' and I would have to know the generic no. of the offending transistor/s as well as PCB location number ! Thankyou in advance .Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon May 27 15:56:07 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:56:07 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report Message-ID: >I remember The Arcam got great reviews at the time (�800-�900?) but I >was a bit concerned about its heritage. Any idea from the test report >who actually built it, or supplied the transport? It would be great to >find out it was a Nak in drag, but somehow I doubt it :) Hi-Fi Choice did a review on it after it was launched and concluded it was quite good, even when comopared to the middle range Naks. A bit surprising, perhaps given that it uses a Denon transport and heads? Can't remember which Denon mechanism, but definitely sourced from Denon and uses its 3 head offering at the time. Perhaps the electronics made up for it, but then again, it was the only British tape deck with or without Dolby S and Hi-Fi Choice is a British magazine.......... _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Mon May 27 19:51:51 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:51:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report Message-ID: <7723B723.5C404908.032C04E1@netscape.net> Arcam Delta 100 was reviewed in Hi-Fi Choice October 1992 issue together with other 19 machines. The reviewers claimed the deck was equipped with Denon sourced dual capstan mechanism and head block. Deck's price tag - £850 ($1800 in the USA). Hi-Fi Choice resume - "Highly Recommended" Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From TjBrann at aol.com Mon May 27 20:09:23 2002 From: TjBrann at aol.com (TjBrann at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:09:23 EDT Subject: [naktalk] I need help guys!! Message-ID: Greetings one & all, I've been taping like mad as of late and would like to get some of your feedback, but the way I'm set up with this list is through the digest. I can't seem to respond to an individual message. I went to the NAK site and the last message posted is from May 7th !! I guess I could try the "cut & paste" approach to get ahold of indivuals, but I'm sure there's any easier way. Take Care, Tom http://www.geocities.com/tjb49/Classical_Vinyl_Artwork.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TjBrann at aol.com Mon May 27 20:16:07 2002 From: TjBrann at aol.com (TjBrann at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:16:07 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of the merits of DAT technology Message-ID: <13.c09e0db.2a23d1e7@aol.com> Greetings, I'd have to agree for the most part as to how dissappointing DAT technology can be. On occasion however, like everything in life, there are notable exceptions. What comes to mind is a release by guitarist whiz Kelly Jo Phelps. His "Roll Away the Stone" release was recorded with two Neumann Microphones plugged into a DAT machine in his living room!! The sonics are incredible. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon May 27 22:33:01 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:33:01 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NAK ST 7 References: <002001c20579$692af5c0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <098201c205bd$b30062e0$483442cf@sank1> Your tuner simply needs the memory back-up "battery" capacitor replaced. As memory serves, it's a 0.047F/5.5V gold capacitor, but I always like to replace these with 0.47F or 1F(that's farad, not microfarad), 5.5V caps. These caps cost no more than about $4 each, and often less than half that. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "wme drewes" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAK ST 7 Hello ! Can someone please help me ! Ever since I bought this unit whenever the electricity goes off the unit immediately suffers from Alsheimers desease and loses all the stored stations. Someone selling his unit on eBay lately warns that his ST 7 has the same malady but he was advised : 'the simple replacment of one or two transistors fixes the problem' ! If somebody knows the surgical procedure can they please advise me bearing in mind that I have no 'schematics' and I would have to know the generic no. of the offending transistor/s as well as PCB location number ! Thankyou in advance .Walter Drewes ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue May 28 01:45:23 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:45:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi sendust heads - nak or Canon? References: Message-ID: <3CF2C512.F893038D@snet.net> I do not know exactly which ones, but I do have it on good authority that a number of the later and less expensive Nak decks actually did use third party sourced heads. Jeff Galin would actually be the person to go to for details on which ones. Ed Michael Mironov wrote: > Hi all, > > One of my friend insist that all Nakamichi sendust heads is really Canon made OEM. > Is it's true or not? Personaly I'm in doubt that Nakamichi will use third party heads in > their deck even in two-head machines. > Any comments welcome! > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue May 28 08:23:33 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:23:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] NAK ST 7 Message-ID: <000601c20610$3230d660$0e241ec4@private> Stephen thankyou for the speedy reply.You are most helpful ! Walter Drewes -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAK ST 7 >Your tuner simply needs the memory back-up "battery" capacitor replaced. As >memory serves, it's a 0.047F/5.5V gold capacitor, but I always like to >replace these with 0.47F or 1F(that's farad, not microfarad), 5.5V caps. >These caps cost no more than about $4 each, and often less than half that. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "wme drewes" >To: >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 6:24 AM >Subject: [naktalk] NAK ST 7 > > >Hello ! Can someone please help me ! Ever since I bought this unit whenever >the electricity goes off the unit immediately suffers from Alsheimers >desease and loses all the stored stations. Someone selling his unit on eBay >lately warns that his ST 7 has the same malady but he was advised : 'the >simple replacment of one or two transistors fixes the problem' ! If >somebody knows the surgical procedure can they please advise me bearing in >mind that I have no 'schematics' and I would have to know the generic no. >of the offending transistor/s as well as PCB location number ! Thankyou in >advance .Walter Drewes > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue May 28 09:46:12 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:46:12 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi sendust heads - nak or Canon? References: <3CF2C512.F893038D@snet.net> Message-ID: >I do not know exactly which ones, but I do have it on good authority that a number of the >later and less expensive Nak decks actually did use third party sourced heads. Jeff Galin >would actually be the person to go to for details on which ones. > >Ed Hi Ed, The models I'm talking about is all two-head machines starting from LX-3. I'm sure that later DR-8 has terrible head but I have nothing against heads in my LX-3 and BX-es. Stuill curious anyway ;-) Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue May 28 13:20:09 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:20:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk - Marathon Tape (Status) Message-ID: Good news I received from Carlos over the weekend is that we are close to getting the marathon tape on the move. I should be receiving the western hemispher cassette in three to four days time. Carlos, do you have details to share with the marathoners? Do we have clearly understood guidelines that all marathoners will follow when recording?? Perhaps we should deal with marathon tape issues off-line from NakTalk. I'd like to suggest a separate distribution list, and perhaps a webpage to allow whomever wants to browse the progress of the marathon tape as it travels around the world. Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue May 28 13:30:52 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:30:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Brochure Message-ID: I'm searching for a copy of the Nak ZX-7 customer brochure. Purchase of original or exchange of digital graphics would be nice. Wondering if anyone has an original that could be scanned into .jpeg images. I have excellent original color images of the entire Nak ZX-9 brochure. Does anyone have the ability to transform these from .jpeg into .pdf or .djvue format, so that we can add that brochure to the naks.com ftp archive? I also have several other original brochures that would be nice additions placed in the naks.com archive (RX-202, RX-505, DR 1-2-3, TD 500/700). Contact me if you are able to assist with this project. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aferro at televen.com Tue May 28 13:51:27 2002 From: aferro at televen.com (Antonio Ferro) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:51:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Brochure References: Message-ID: <004f01c2063e$01fb2350$bb0fde81@fox> Bleus, I can convert it to PDF file with good resolution... Only i need is all pages scanned on 150 or 300 dpi, for better resolution. Contact me... Bye Antonio Ferro ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:30 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX-7 Brochure I'm searching for a copy of the Nak ZX-7 customer brochure. Purchase of original or exchange of digital graphics would be nice. Wondering if anyone has an original that could be scanned into .jpeg images. I have excellent original color images of the entire Nak ZX-9 brochure. Does anyone have the ability to transform these from .jpeg into .pdf or .djvue format, so that we can add that brochure to the naks.com ftp archive? I also have several other original brochures that would be nice additions placed in the naks.com archive (RX-202, RX-505, DR 1-2-3, TD 500/700). Contact me if you are able to assist with this project. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: 28 May 2002 12:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk - Marathon Tape (Status) Good news I received from Carlos over the weekend is that we are close to getting the marathon tape on the move. I should be receiving the western hemispher cassette in three to four days time. Carlos, do you have details to share with the marathoners? Do we have clearly understood guidelines that all marathoners will follow when recording?? Perhaps we should deal with marathon tape issues off-line from NakTalk. I'd like to suggest a separate distribution list, and perhaps a webpage to allow whomever wants to browse the progress of the marathon tape as it travels around the world. Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue May 28 21:03:12 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:03:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions References: <000601c20668$627e3940$f037883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002b01c2067a$50cf60e0$3db5b742@pii366custom> I am currently having a entertainment center built which will house ALL my audio and video needs of my main system. I will even have room for storage of my hundreds of LP's and a place for my turntable which has sat in a closet for the last 10 years other than occasional nostalgic moment when I wanted to hear an LP that I don't have on CD or cassette. However, my turntable, although it sounds decent still, has seen better days and it's time for it to be replaced. I wish I could afford a Nakamichi "Dragon" or "TX" turntable, but can't right now. http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/tx-1000.jpg http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dragon.jpg However, I would like to upgrade to something better than what I currently have: (Late 1970's Technics SL-D2 with a Shure V-15 IV cartridge). My goal is to stay under the US $500.00 mark and wanted some suggestions. I like the look of the Denon 47F http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dp-47f.jpg or the DR-60L or DP-61F and they are still available new in that price range on E-bay. Any comments on their quality? What else should I look at in that price range new or gently used? (or maybe just above) Thanx, Roland Other Turntable Pics: http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue May 28 22:09:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:09:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions References: <000601c20668$627e3940$f037883e@a4s1s2> <002b01c2067a$50cf60e0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3CF3E409.F888FC26@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > I am currently having a entertainment center built which will house ALL my > audio and video needs of my main system. I will even have room for storage > of my hundreds of LP's and a place for my turntable which has sat in a > closet for the last 10 years other than occasional nostalgic moment when I > wanted to hear an LP that I don't have on CD or cassette. However, my > turntable, although it sounds decent still, has seen better days and it's > time for it to be replaced. > > I wish I could afford a Nakamichi "Dragon" or "TX" turntable, but can't > right now. > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/tx-1000.jpg > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dragon.jpg > > However, I would like to upgrade to something better than what I currently > have: (Late 1970's Technics SL-D2 with a Shure V-15 IV cartridge). > > My goal is to stay under the US $500.00 mark and wanted some suggestions. I > like the look of the Denon 47F > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dp-47f.jpg > > or the DR-60L or DP-61F and they are still available new in that price range > on E-bay. Any comments on their quality? > > What else should I look at in that price range new or gently used? (or maybe > just above) > > Thanx, > Roland > > Other Turntable Pics: > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/ Take a look at the ReVox B791 TT. Last time I looked, they went for $400-$500 (used, of course), usually with a Shure or Ortofon cartridge. If in good shape (big 'if') they sound very decent and are a joy to use. Expect dead quiet motor/platter and vanishingly small wow and flutter. While the electronics is fairly complex, they are, by and large, reliable. The motor driven arm will keep your records new. While sonically this arm is not the best, the whole TT doesn't cost as much as the best, either. I've owned one for close to 20 years now and have been very happy with it. My other favorite has been the Garrard 401, fitted with an SME 3009 arm and (no surprise there), a Shure cartridge. The combination will cost you more than the ReVox and certainly, does not offer the high level of ergonomics (the SME arm requires a steady hand to operate), not to mention the finesse and sophistication of the design. Nonetheless, I believe it does have a slight edge, sonically. I listened to quite a few (when new, which, I suppose, gives away my age), and always enjoyed them much. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue May 28 22:34:07 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:34:07 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] dual well Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE077@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hi NT'rs, Does anybody or has anybody ever produced a high quality or even just a good quality dual well cassette deck?? Any such animal??? jus' curious, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 29 00:52:45 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:52:45 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape References: <00a901c205ad$09835c00$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3CF40A3D.000004.00800@CopyTech> The tape is ready with the first tune already recorded. I'll keep everybody posted as the details arises. Bleus is gonna make a page in his' . Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 27, 2002 05:33:33 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] The Marathon Tape Carlos, Just wondered if the "Marathon Tape" was now on it's way, or if not, what the time frame for this will be. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed May 29 00:55:58 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:55:58 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk - Marathon Tape (Status) References: Message-ID: <3CF40AFE.000007.00800@CopyTech> Very nice suggestions, Bleus. The first tune is already recorded and is ready to be shipped to Wisconsin. I'll post the final rules on Bleus' dedicated page. I'll contact Bleus later after his vacations return. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, May 27, 2002 22:19:36 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] NakTalk - Marathon Tape (Status) Good news I received from Carlos over the weekend is that we are close to getting the marathon tape on the move. I should be receiving the western hemispher cassette in three to four days time. Carlos, do you have details to share with the marathoners? Do we have clearly understood guidelines that all marathoners will follow when recording?? Perhaps we should deal with marathon tape issues off-line from NakTalk. I'd like to suggest a separate distribution list, and perhaps a webpage to allow whomever wants to browse the progress of the marathon tape as it travels around the world. Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed May 29 00:24:12 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:24:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions In-Reply-To: <002b01c2067a$50cf60e0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: A used harmon kardon t60 might be had for around 200; nice for the price and has an auto lift, too. One went on ebay a few days ago for 200. regards, carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:03 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions I am currently having a entertainment center built which will house ALL my audio and video needs of my main system. I will even have room for storage of my hundreds of LP's and a place for my turntable which has sat in a closet for the last 10 years other than occasional nostalgic moment when I wanted to hear an LP that I don't have on CD or cassette. However, my turntable, although it sounds decent still, has seen better days and it's time for it to be replaced. I wish I could afford a Nakamichi "Dragon" or "TX" turntable, but can't right now. http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/tx-1000.jpg http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dragon.jpg However, I would like to upgrade to something better than what I currently have: (Late 1970's Technics SL-D2 with a Shure V-15 IV cartridge). My goal is to stay under the US $500.00 mark and wanted some suggestions. I like the look of the Denon 47F http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dp-47f.jpg or the DR-60L or DP-61F and they are still available new in that price range on E-bay. Any comments on their quality? What else should I look at in that price range new or gently used? (or maybe just above) Thanx, Roland Other Turntable Pics: http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Wed May 29 01:04:10 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:04:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have an extra real nice denon DD with an SME Series IIIs arm on it I'd sell for $500. The arm alone is worth the $500. The Denon "servo" arms are shit compared to the SME. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Tiberius Gaius > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 6:24 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions > > > A used harmon kardon t60 might be had for around 200; nice for > the price and > has an auto lift, too. One went on ebay a few days ago for 200. > > regards, > carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Roland Alford > Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 12:03 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions > > > I am currently having a entertainment center built which will house ALL my > audio and video needs of my main system. I will even have room > for storage > of my hundreds of LP's and a place for my turntable which has sat in a > closet for the last 10 years other than occasional nostalgic moment when I > wanted to hear an LP that I don't have on CD or cassette. However, my > turntable, although it sounds decent still, has seen better days and it's > time for it to be replaced. > > I wish I could afford a Nakamichi "Dragon" or "TX" turntable, but can't > right now. > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/tx-1000.jpg > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dragon.jpg > > However, I would like to upgrade to something better than what I currently > have: (Late 1970's Technics SL-D2 with a Shure V-15 IV cartridge). > > My goal is to stay under the US $500.00 mark and wanted some > suggestions. I > like the look of the Denon 47F > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dp-47f.jpg > > or the DR-60L or DP-61F and they are still available new in that > price range > on E-bay. Any comments on their quality? > > What else should I look at in that price range new or gently > used? (or maybe > just above) > > Thanx, > Roland > > Other Turntable Pics: > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/ > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed May 29 02:34:41 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:34:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of the merits of DAT technology References: <13.c09e0db.2a23d1e7@aol.com> Message-ID: <004d01c206a8$9f92ddf0$24756acf@johnrotten> Sure would be nice to get a digital DAT tape copy of that! John ----- Original Message ----- From: TjBrann at aol.com To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: TjBrann at aol.com Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: [naktalk] Speaking of the merits of DAT technology Greetings, I'd have to agree for the most part as to how dissappointing DAT technology can be. On occasion however, like everything in life, there are notable exceptions. What comes to mind is a release by guitarist whiz Kelly Jo Phelps. His "Roll Away the Stone" release was recorded with two Neumann Microphones plugged into a DAT machine in his living room!! The sonics are incredible. Tom http://www.geocities.com/tjb49/Classical_Vinyl_Artwork.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed May 29 03:05:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 19:05:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] dual well References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE077@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <0a7f01c206ac$f30f4140$483442cf@sank1> The only good & reliable dubbing decks ever made were the early-mid '90's Yamaha KX-W900 & KX-W500, and the now-too-old-to-trust Aiwa AD-WX220 from the early 80's. Everything else I know of has been/is crap, including the Tascam units. Seriously. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dundis, Andy" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] dual well > hi NT'rs, > Does anybody or has anybody ever produced a high quality > or even just a good quality dual well cassette deck?? Any > such animal??? > jus' curious, > andy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelhall at pacbell.net Wed May 29 03:26:58 2002 From: joelhall at pacbell.net (joel hall) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:26:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dual well References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE077@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3CF42E62.6890A869@pacbell.net> You may want to look at the Marantz PMD510 or 520. "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > hi NT'rs, > Does anybody or has anybody ever produced a high quality > or even just a good quality dual well cassette deck?? Any > such animal??? > jus' curious, > andy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed May 29 06:28:34 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:28:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi sendust heads - nak or Canon? References: <3CF2C512.F893038D@snet.net> Message-ID: <3CF458F1.BB790225@snet.net> I think that the LX series all used authentic Nak heads, while the lower end BX and later may have used other heads. Even so, I still find my old BX-125 to sound better than just about any non Nakamichi. Ed Michael Mironov wrote: > >I do not know exactly which ones, but I do have it on good authority that a number of the > >later and less expensive Nak decks actually did use third party sourced heads. Jeff Galin > >would actually be the person to go to for details on which ones. > > > >Ed > > Hi Ed, > > The models I'm talking about is all two-head machines starting from LX-3. > I'm sure that later DR-8 has terrible head but I have nothing against heads > in my LX-3 and BX-es. > Stuill curious anyway ;-) > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From return at trafficmagnet.net Wed May 29 12:45:44 2002 From: return at trafficmagnet.net (Christine Hall) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:45:44 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM Message-ID: <200205292336.g4TNan609787@ns5.trafficmagnet.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Wed May 29 13:14:00 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:14:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM - Christine Hall In-Reply-To: <200205292336.g4TNan609787@ns5.trafficmagnet.net> Message-ID: <000101c20701$ef80e9c0$d39287d9@JAS> It's very nice of Christine to keep offering to spread the word about Naks.com don't you think? She says they offer 'offer a unique technology' which the site apparently lacks - can't say I ever noticed? 3 cheers for Christine and her like - without whom my inbox would have been empty today! JaS www.vinylengine.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Christine Hall Sent: 29 May 2002 11:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM Hi I visited NAKS.COM , and noticed that you're not listed on some search engines! I think we can offer you a service which can help you increase traffic and the number of visitors to your website. I would like to introduce you to TrafficMagnet.net . We offer a unique technology that will submit your website to over 300,000 search engines and directories every month. You'll be surprised by the low cost, and by how effective this website promotion method can be. To find out more about TrafficMagnet and the cost for submitting your website to over 300,000 search engines and directories, visit www.TrafficMagnet.net. I would love to hear from you. Best Regards, Christine Hall Sales and Marketing E-mail: christine at trafficmagnet.net http://www.TrafficMagnet.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed May 29 15:11:46 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:11:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TASCAM CC-222 Message-ID: <005001c20712$633cf420$a4021fac@brianm> With the interesting discussion we had the other day on the Alesis, I thought I would mention the new Tascam I came across in the British magazine, HiFi News. The heading reads, TASCAM puts vinyl or cassette on CD-RW New TASCAM recorder designed to help vinyl and cassette archivists Audio cassettes and vinyl records can be transferred on to CD-RW using the unique TASCAM CC-222. Featuring CD-RW drive and 'professional quality' cassette deck in an integral unit, the CC-222 contains dedicated, grounded RIAA phono inputs enabling easy connection to turntable sources. Coax and optical S/PDIF inputs and outputs are fitted, and the cassette deck has Dolby B noise reduction circuitry. Price L699. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed May 29 15:19:44 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:19:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] UK friends Message-ID: <005b01c20713$8000e2f0$a4021fac@brianm> I recently picked up a copy of Hi-Fi News. They are giving away a complete stereo system. There is a number on the front of the magazine, you are to call a specific number, at so many cents a minute, and give them this number, if you have the matching number you win the system. It is restricted to people in the UK. If anyone is interested, I will pass along my "winning" number and the phone number, if you call and do win, I would ship you the magazine, which you must have to claim the prize, and maybe we could work something out. Unfortunately the dead line is 7 June 2002! (The charge is 75p per minute and calls are approx. 3.5 minutes.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 29 15:34:36 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:34:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address Message-ID: <001501c20715$93cba660$a9299bca@smarzuki> Fellow naksters, My server recently has a mind of its own and sent email with virus attachments. Those were clearly not from my PC as they were sent while i was away at the office. Somehow the addresee are absurd, ranging from people i dont know to email address which does not exist (see below). I found out about this from many many 'delivery failure notices' which bombarded my mailbox (all email return path is my address). Viruses are mostly in the from of *.scr, *.bat/*.pif and *.doc. I have contacted my isp regarding this but still receive virus delivery notices. Anybody ever experienced this kind of server virus ? Sorry for any inconvenience caused. Salim SM sample report: This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: Return-path: Received: from tcp-daemon.imsmta1.indosat.net.id by imsmta1.indosat.net.id (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) id <0GWL00JASRA2XB at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> (original mail from smarzuki at indosat.net.id); Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:44 +0700 (JVT) Received: from Ermpzmza ([202.155.25.238]) by imsmta1.indosat.net.id (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) with SMTP id <0GWL00JVBR9FAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> for liliwibisono at yahoo.com; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:39 +0700 (JVT) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:16 +0700 (JVT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by imsmta1.indosat.net.id From: yudi Subject: AAAnAALnAA To: liliwibisono at yahoo.com Message-id: <0GWL00JVCR9GAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_IXlqb4FZGKi2ZsMGWCdiYA)" Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: Recipient address: liliwibisono at yahoo.com Reason: SMTP transmission failure has occurred Diagnostic code: smtp;554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account (liliwibisono at yahoo.com) - mta502.mail.yahoo.com Remote system: dns;mx1.mail.yahoo.com (TCP|202.155.50.24|23551|64.157.4.85|25) (YSmtp mta502.mail.yahoo.com ESMTP service ready) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Wed May 29 15:56:05 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:56:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address In-Reply-To: <001501c20715$93cba660$a9299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CF4A5B5.1844.8DE198@localhost> There are a number of 'spoofing' virii which hide their origin by filling the email 'FROM' field with a random name from the infectee's address book. This way, the person receiving the infected email cannot discover the true source of the virus. I have fallen prey to this behavior from the current 'KLEZ32' virus, it apparently grabbed my name from the address book of someone's infected computer and sent itself out with my name in the 'FROM' field. I know a few people who have been infected with this virus, one of their computers must have been the source of the message that seemed to come from me. I've kept current on my anti-virus definitions and have yet to actually be infected with it. This may be what happened to you. On 29 May 2002 at 20:34, Salim Marzuki wrote: Date sent: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:34:36 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address To: naktalk at naks.com Copies to: Salim Marzuki Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Fellow naksters, > > My server recently has a mind of its own and sent email with virus > attachments. Those were clearly not from my PC as they were sent > while i was away at the office. Somehow the addresee are absurd, > ranging from people i dont know to email address which does not exist > (see below). > > I found out about this from many many 'delivery failure notices' which > bombarded my mailbox (all email return path is my address). Viruses > are mostly in the from of *.scr, *.bat/*.pif and *.doc. I have > contacted my isp regarding this but still receive virus delivery > notices. Anybody ever experienced this kind of server virus ? > > Sorry for any inconvenience caused. > Salim SM > > > sample report: > > This report relates to a message you sent with the following header > fields: > > Return-path: > Received: from tcp-daemon.imsmta1.indosat.net.id by > imsmta1.indosat.net.id > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) > id <0GWL00JASRA2XB at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> > (original mail from smarzuki at indosat.net.id); Fri, > 24 May 2002 13:27:44 +0700 (JVT) > Received: from Ermpzmza ([202.155.25.238]) by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) > with SMTP id <0GWL00JVBR9FAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> for > liliwibisono at yahoo.com; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:39 +0700 (JVT) > Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:16 +0700 (JVT) > Date-warning: Date header was inserted by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > From: yudi Subject: AAAnAALnAA To: > liliwibisono at yahoo.com Message-id: > <0GWL00JVCR9GAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_IXlqb4FZGKi2ZsMGWCdiYA)" > > Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > > Recipient address: liliwibisono at yahoo.com > Reason: SMTP transmission failure has occurred > Diagnostic code: smtp;554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a > yahoo.com account (liliwibisono at yahoo.com) - mta502.mail.yahoo.com > Remote system: dns;mx1.mail.yahoo.com > (TCP|202.155.50.24|23551|64.157.4.85|25) (YSmtp mta502.mail.yahoo.com > ESMTP service ready) > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 29 16:08:50 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:08:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] NAKS.COM -- Wouter??? H E L P !!! References: <200205292336.g4TNan609787@ns5.trafficmagnet.net> Message-ID: <3CF4E0F2.8C261D46@rcn.com> One really nice NakTalk attribute has been the lack of spamming. This bliss has now been shattered by Christine, that offers list members the one 'service' we can all live happily without. Wouter? Would you please consider removing lovely Christine's posting rights? TIA. -- Ron > Christine Hall wrote: > > Hi > > I visited NAKS.COM, and noticed that you're not listed on some search > engines! I think we can offer you a service which can help you increase > traffic and the number of visitors to your website. > > I would like to introduce you to TrafficMagnet.net. We offer a unique > technology that will submit your website to over 300,000 search engines and > directories every month. > > [Image] [Image] [Image] > > You'll be surprised by the low cost, and by how effective this website > promotion method can be. > > To find out more about TrafficMagnet and the cost for submitting your > website to over 300,000 search engines and directories, visit > www.TrafficMagnet.net. > > I would love to hear from you. > > Best Regards, > > Christine Hall > Sales and Marketing > E-mail: christine at trafficmagnet.net > http://www.TrafficMagnet.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Wed May 29 16:08:56 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:08:56 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] UK friends Message-ID: Call cost is no problem for me, I'll be glad to help out. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Brian Miller" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: [naktalk] UK friends Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:19:44 -0400 I recently picked up a copy of Hi-Fi News. They are giving away a complete stereo system. There is a number on the front of the magazine, you are to call a specific number, at so many cents a minute, and give them this number, if you have the matching number you win the system. It is restricted to people in the UK. If anyone is interested, I will pass along my "winning" number and the phone number, if you call and do win, I would ship you the magazine, which you must have to claim the prize, and maybe we could work something out. Unfortunately the dead line is 7 June 2002! (The charge is 75p per minute and calls are approx. 3.5 minutes.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed May 29 16:19:17 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:19:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] UK friends References: Message-ID: <00dd01c2071b$d1d035b0$a4021fac@brianm> Thanks George! I will pass you the info to your private e-mail. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Valkov" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] UK friends > Call cost is no problem for me, I'll be glad to help out. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Brian Miller" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: [naktalk] UK friends > Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 09:19:44 -0400 > > I recently picked up a copy of Hi-Fi News. They are giving away a complete > stereo system. There is a number on the front of the magazine, you are to > call a specific number, at so many cents a minute, and give them this > number, if you have the matching number you win the system. > > It is restricted to people in the UK. If anyone is interested, I will pass > along my "winning" number and the phone number, if you call and do win, I > would ship you the magazine, which you must have to claim the prize, and > maybe we could work something out. > > Unfortunately the dead line is 7 June 2002! > > (The charge is 75p per minute and calls are approx. 3.5 minutes.) > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed May 29 16:20:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:20:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address References: <001501c20715$93cba660$a9299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3CF4E390.59DA42E4@rcn.com> Interesting... I have recently emailed an order for some electronics spare parts, in the form of an Excel spread sheet. The vendor replied that, as a matter of policy, they do not open attached and would I please email the order itself. On a different note: I have just updated my Norton AV. The program now checks outgoing email, as well. It seems Symantec (Norton publisher) now offers virus definition updates every one or two days. The virus business must be booming... Leads one to reflect on what kind of creatures populate this world we all live in. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Fellow naksters, > > My server recently has a mind of its own and sent email with virus > attachments. Those were clearly not from my PC as they were sent while i > was away at the office. Somehow the addresee are absurd, ranging from > people i dont know to email address which does not exist (see below). > > I found out about this from many many 'delivery failure notices' which > bombarded my mailbox (all email return path is my address). Viruses are > mostly in the from of *.scr, *.bat/*.pif and *.doc. I have contacted my isp > regarding this but still receive virus delivery notices. Anybody ever > experienced this kind of server virus ? > > Sorry for any inconvenience caused. > Salim SM > > sample report: > > This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: > > Return-path: > Received: from tcp-daemon.imsmta1.indosat.net.id by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) > id <0GWL00JASRA2XB at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> > (original mail from smarzuki at indosat.net.id); Fri, > 24 May 2002 13:27:44 +0700 (JVT) > Received: from Ermpzmza ([202.155.25.238]) by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) > with SMTP id <0GWL00JVBR9FAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> for > liliwibisono at yahoo.com; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:39 +0700 (JVT) > Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:16 +0700 (JVT) > Date-warning: Date header was inserted by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > From: yudi > Subject: AAAnAALnAA > To: liliwibisono at yahoo.com > Message-id: <0GWL00JVCR9GAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_IXlqb4FZGKi2ZsMGWCdiYA)" > > Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > > Recipient address: liliwibisono at yahoo.com > Reason: SMTP transmission failure has occurred > Diagnostic code: smtp;554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a > yahoo.com account (liliwibisono at yahoo.com) - mta502.mail.yahoo.com > Remote system: dns;mx1.mail.yahoo.com > (TCP|202.155.50.24|23551|64.157.4.85|25) (YSmtp mta502.mail.yahoo.com ESMTP > service ready) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Wed May 29 16:23:14 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:23:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address In-Reply-To: <3CF4A5B5.1844.8DE198@localhost> Message-ID: <000401c2071c$63e53680$c7d586d9@JAS> I too have fallen victim to this type of virus. While my own computer (and server) is not infected it appears that the computer of someone who had my address was. The first I knew about it was when I started getting returned mail saying my attachment was being returned due to a virus, an attachment I never sent, from an address I had never heard of. I ended up getting so many that I simply dropped that address and used another. The problem with this sort of virus is that you cannot tell the person who has it is that they have a problem, not you; only the original receiver of the fake headed message has the information needed to find out the true source. I set up an auto responder on the old address to explain that the mails had fake address headers and for the IT boys to trace it back to the infected computer rather than telling me I was infected - the only infection from which I suffered was that of unwanted mail! These things are sent to try us.... JaS -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of timbarrett at cox.net Sent: 29 May 2002 14:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address There are a number of 'spoofing' virii which hide their origin by filling the email 'FROM' field with a random name from the infectee's address book. This way, the person receiving the infected email cannot discover the true source of the virus. I have fallen prey to this behavior from the current 'KLEZ32' virus, it apparently grabbed my name from the address book of someone's infected computer and sent itself out with my name in the 'FROM' field. I know a few people who have been infected with this virus, one of their computers must have been the source of the message that seemed to come from me. I've kept current on my anti-virus definitions and have yet to actually be infected with it. This may be what happened to you. On 29 May 2002 at 20:34, Salim Marzuki wrote: Date sent: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:34:36 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address To: naktalk at naks.com Copies to: Salim Marzuki Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Fellow naksters, > > My server recently has a mind of its own and sent email with virus > attachments. Those were clearly not from my PC as they were sent > while i was away at the office. Somehow the addresee are absurd, > ranging from people i dont know to email address which does not exist > (see below). > > I found out about this from many many 'delivery failure notices' which > bombarded my mailbox (all email return path is my address). Viruses > are mostly in the from of *.scr, *.bat/*.pif and *.doc. I have > contacted my isp regarding this but still receive virus delivery > notices. Anybody ever experienced this kind of server virus ? > > Sorry for any inconvenience caused. > Salim SM > > > sample report: > > This report relates to a message you sent with the following header > fields: > > Return-path: > Received: from tcp-daemon.imsmta1.indosat.net.id by > imsmta1.indosat.net.id > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) > id <0GWL00JASRA2XB at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> > (original mail from smarzuki at indosat.net.id); Fri, > 24 May 2002 13:27:44 +0700 (JVT) > Received: from Ermpzmza ([202.155.25.238]) by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.6 (built Apr 26 2002)) > with SMTP id <0GWL00JVBR9FAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> for > liliwibisono at yahoo.com; Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:39 +0700 (JVT) > Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:16 +0700 (JVT) > Date-warning: Date header was inserted by imsmta1.indosat.net.id > From: yudi Subject: AAAnAALnAA To: > liliwibisono at yahoo.com Message-id: > <0GWL00JVCR9GAA at imsmta1.indosat.net.id> MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="Boundary_(ID_IXlqb4FZGKi2ZsMGWCdiYA)" > > Your message cannot be delivered to the following recipients: > > Recipient address: liliwibisono at yahoo.com > Reason: SMTP transmission failure has occurred > Diagnostic code: smtp;554 delivery error: dd This user doesn't have a > yahoo.com account (liliwibisono at yahoo.com) - mta502.mail.yahoo.com > Remote system: dns;mx1.mail.yahoo.com > (TCP|202.155.50.24|23551|64.157.4.85|25) (YSmtp mta502.mail.yahoo.com > ESMTP service ready) > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <003b01c2029f$ef10b3a0$03bc87d9@a4s1s2> <3CEE3BA5.BE48527C@rcn.com> <005801c20328$d0c805e0$94021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <030501c20721$3f915700$0ff43fd0@oemcomputer> The best and cheapest solution for cleaning records I know of is the disc doctor stuff. www.discdoc.com the magic is in the special brushes they sell. as for using alocohol to clean non shellac records it shouldn't do anything wrong. The only disadvantge that I cans that is real is that the alcohol may evaporate before you get all the dirt off the record. What your trying to do is use a brush to get the dirt suspended in a solution and then wick the suspended dirt of the record. I think high concentrations of alcohol may inhibit this process ymmv Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed May 29 17:05:52 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:05:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions References: <000601c20668$627e3940$f037883e@a4s1s2> <002b01c2067a$50cf60e0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <038d01c20722$5327e080$0ff43fd0@oemcomputer> Hi roland The best suggestion would be a used rega 3 turntable but if you want something different here are my suggestions under $500.00 used technics sp10 turntable this and the next you could actually build in the top of the cabinet. thorens td 124 thorens td125 mk3, td 126 mk2 well tempered record player vpi hw19 all of these should come with an arm if you can look for a sme arm with the thorens or the technics all though in the case of the technics if it comes with one of the better technics arms not the one on the sl1200 or yours its as good as anything out there for the money. Hope this helps Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions > I am currently having a entertainment center built which will house ALL my > audio and video needs of my main system. I will even have room for storage > of my hundreds of LP's and a place for my turntable which has sat in a > closet for the last 10 years other than occasional nostalgic moment when I > wanted to hear an LP that I don't have on CD or cassette. However, my > turntable, although it sounds decent still, has seen better days and it's > time for it to be replaced. > > I wish I could afford a Nakamichi "Dragon" or "TX" turntable, but can't > right now. > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/tx-1000.jpg > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dragon.jpg > > However, I would like to upgrade to something better than what I currently > have: (Late 1970's Technics SL-D2 with a Shure V-15 IV cartridge). > > My goal is to stay under the US $500.00 mark and wanted some suggestions. I > like the look of the Denon 47F > > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/dp-47f.jpg > > or the DR-60L or DP-61F and they are still available new in that price range > on E-bay. Any comments on their quality? > > What else should I look at in that price range new or gently used? (or maybe > just above) > > Thanx, > Roland > > Other Turntable Pics: > http://home.c2i.net/jantoresvart/turntables/ > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From TjBrann at aol.com Wed May 29 17:52:26 2002 From: TjBrann at aol.com (TjBrann at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:52:26 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2320 Message-ID: In a message dated 5/29/2002 4:15:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > "..... Even so, I still find my old BX-125 to sound better than just about > any non Nakamichi......" > > Ed, > > You mention the possibility that my (our) BX-125's were equiped with Canon > heads rather than NAK ones. I had Jeff Galin overhaul my deck 2 years ago, > including replacing the heads. I sure hope he replaced the heads (whatever > they were) with heads from Nakamichi. I might have to send off an E-mail to > Jeff to find out what he ended up putting into my BX model. On another note, I hope everybody on this list realizes that although my web site is dedicated to Classical vinyl (some very rare) that I collect all sorts of music. I have an extensive Jazz collection ( alot or original Cleff/Verves, CL Monos, Blue notes etc) as well as my fair share of Blues and R&R. How would I ever have heard of Kelly Jo Phelps otherwise ? > Take Care, Tom > > http://www.geocities.com/tjb49/Classical_Vinyl_Artwork.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed May 29 18:09:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:09:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address References: <000401c2071c$63e53680$c7d586d9@JAS> Message-ID: <001801c2072b$4868a180$9b299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Tim, Jim (?) and Ron, It makes more sense that one of my friend's PC got infected instead of the server. It's been terrible, i receive so many delivery notices and sometimes with the original email + virus attachments. I remember i saw one mention of 'klez32' in the email. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: doctordeaf To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ot - important: don't open any attachment sent using my email address I too have fallen victim to this type of virus. While my own computer (and server) is not infected it appears that the computer of someone who had my address was. The first I knew about it was when I started getting returned mail saying my attachment was being returned due to a virus, an attachment I never sent, from an address I had never heard of. I ended up getting so many that I simply dropped that address and used another. The problem with this sort of virus is that you cannot tell the person who has it is that they have a problem, not you; only the original receiver of the fake headed message has the information needed to find out the true source. I set up an auto responder on the old address to explain that the mails had fake address headers and for the IT boys to trace it back to the infected computer rather than telling me I was infected - the only infection from which I suffered was that of unwanted mail! These things are sent to try us.... JaS ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From TjBrann at aol.com Wed May 29 17:59:19 2002 From: TjBrann at aol.com (TjBrann at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 11:59:19 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2321 Message-ID: <115.122d732f.2a2654d7@aol.com> In a message dated 5/29/2002 7:10:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > "....New TASCAM recorder designed to help vinyl and cassette archivists...." Why would anyone want to destroy a perfectly good analogue signal by "digitizing" it????? Analogue Tom http://www.geocities.com/tjb49/Classical_Vinyl_Artwork.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From TjBrann at aol.com Wed May 29 18:09:29 2002 From: TjBrann at aol.com (TjBrann at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:09:29 EDT Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2322 Message-ID: <4d.1ec836bf.2a265739@aol.com> In a message dated 5/29/2002 8:06:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: > ".....The best and cheapest solution for cleaning records I know of > is the disc doctor stuff. > www.discdoc.com the magic is in the special brushes they sell. > as for using alocohol to clean non shellac records it shouldn't > do anything wrong. The only disadvantge that I cans that is real is > that the alcohol may evaporate before you get all the dirt off the > record....." Warren, The Disc doctor stuff is great, but I still use it in conjunction with my Nitty Gritty machine. The combination works like a charm. In the past month I was able to "save" a UK 33CX Columbia 1951 1st pressing (Dinu Lipatti Plays Chopin Waltz's) and a totally grunged-out "Exiles on Main Street". Tom http://www.geocities.com/tjb49/Classical_Vinyl_Artwork.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 29 19:10:51 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:10:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] UK friends In-Reply-To: <005b01c20713$8000e2f0$a4021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001401c20733$c8e87800$1b71883e@a4s1s2> Am I too late??? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 29 May 2002 02:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK friends I recently picked up a copy of Hi-Fi News. They are giving away a complete stereo system. There is a number on the front of the magazine, you are to call a specific number, at so many cents a minute, and give them this number, if you have the matching number you win the system. It is restricted to people in the UK. If anyone is interested, I will pass along my "winning" number and the phone number, if you call and do win, I would ship you the magazine, which you must have to claim the prize, and maybe we could work something out. Unfortunately the dead line is 7 June 2002! (The charge is 75p per minute and calls are approx. 3.5 minutes.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed May 29 19:12:28 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:12:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2321 In-Reply-To: <115.122d732f.2a2654d7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001901c20734$02fca200$1b71883e@a4s1s2> Sounds like the method that Pioneer introduced into the cassette range, a kind of analogue to digital back to analogue, which is supposed to negate the need for a Dolby filter. I read a hi fi review that said it worked rather well, too ... hmmm ... Graham (in sceptical mode) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of TjBrann at aol.com Sent: 29 May 2002 04:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: TjBrann at aol.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2321 In a message dated 5/29/2002 7:10:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com writes: "....New TASCAM recorder designed to help vinyl and cassette archivists...." Why would anyone want to destroy a perfectly good analogue signal by "digitizing" it????? Analogue Tom http://www.geocities.com/tjb49/Classical_Vinyl_Artwork.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 07/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Wed May 29 19:42:41 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:42:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] UK friends References: <001401c20733$c8e87800$1b71883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <015701c20738$3c22ecc0$a4021fac@brianm> Yep, George already checked into it. thnx! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tanya Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] UK friends Am I too late??? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: 29 May 2002 02:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] UK friends I recently picked up a copy of Hi-Fi News. They are giving away a complete stereo system. There is a number on the front of the magazine, you are to call a specific number, at so many cents a minute, and give them this number, if you have the matching number you win the system. It is restricted to people in the UK. If anyone is interested, I will pass along my "winning" number and the phone number, if you call and do win, I would ship you the magazine, which you must have to claim the prize, and maybe we could work something out. Unfortunately the dead line is 7 June 2002! (The charge is 75p per minute and calls are approx. 3.5 minutes.) Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suedbahntom at gmx.net Wed May 29 22:19:54 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:19:54 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] not too often item Message-ID: <24616.1022703594@www45.gmx.net> hi y`ll here it is, a realy collectors item.http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2108338767 grüße, Thomas. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Wed May 29 23:53:36 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:53:36 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] sony PSX800 or revox B790 Message-ID: <2100.1022709216@www49.gmx.net> hi nak-talkers, I`m spoilt for choice, (sony psx800 biotracer or revox B790???), much thanx for all commentary, grüße Thomas. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed May 29 23:58:39 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 17:58:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable Suggestions Message-ID: <20020529.175916.-131717.1.josephj69@juno.com> The recommendation of a used Rega is wise advice. Not because the table is very good, but because you can probably sell it for exactly what you paid for it if and when you're ready to move up. If you're in the UK, they're the only way to go. The UK price is less than half what it costs in the US. The Rega tables are actually quite mediocre, but the arm is superb. As a whole, the Regas end up being more than adequate for most people's needs. The VPI tables are certainly better, but they will cost you more money. One benefit is that they can all be upgraded quite easily. VPI also has a reputation for outstanding customer service. They don't discriminate against those who buy used with plans to upgrade at a later date. - Joe On Wed, 29 May 2002 11:05:52 -0400 "Warren" writes: > Hi roland > The best suggestion would be a used rega 3 turntable > but if you want something different > here are my suggestions under $500.00 used > technics sp10 turntable this and the next you could actually build > in > the top of the cabinet. > thorens td 124 > thorens td125 mk3, td 126 mk2 > well tempered record player > vpi hw19 > all of these should come with an arm if you can look for > a sme arm with the thorens or the technics all though in the > case of the technics if it comes with one of the better technics > arms > not the one on the sl1200 or yours its as good as anything out > there > for the money. > Hope this helps > Warren ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 30 09:42:08 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:42:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam 100 Cassette Deck: Transport Message-ID: Howdy guys, Nick is right, the above unit used the Denon DRM-800A transport which a very sturdy dual cap drive. It was not only Hi-Fi Choice that thought highly of this machine, but also Stereophile (circa 1994), which made no secret of how impressed they were with the Arcam 100. It was (I think J. Gordon Holt) compared it very favourably with component DAT decks of the time, and better overall than two portable DAT decks (although more expensive) also being reviewed at the time. The main requirements for this were to ensure peak recording levels did not exceed 0dB on Dolby S with, in this case TDK MA. The review was very thorough - probably 6-8 pages. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu May 30 10:04:44 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:04:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] dual well Message-ID: Hi Andy, Probably the correct answer on this group is, because Nakamichi never produced a twin deck, it must follow that there is no such thing as a good double cassette deck. However, I would venture to say that the Yamaha KX-W952 offers something that should be the very minimum that Naktalkers would accept. Tthat is a twin with completely individual cassette decks within one single component, yet still offering the convenience of auto-reverse. No assurance therefore with azimuth errors but the independent 2 motor transports offered WRMS 0.05% and Weighted peak of 0.08%. It was a pricey machine, with of course, two sets of loops for the amp. To get by the alignment problem inherent with twins, Aiwa's AD-WX929 addressed the problerm by having one unidirectional well and one with auto-reverse capability. It was a good performer for the money, as were most Aiwas up until the early 90's. Other manufacturers may have made a foray into this part of the market, but in the end, convenience almost always takes a big bite out of perfomance. I think Pioneers CT-W1380 also represented their swing at the idea of low compromise/high convenience dual well decks. Marc >>> Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com 05/28/02 10:34PM >>> hi NT'rs, Does anybody or has anybody ever produced a high quality or even just a good quality dual well cassette deck?? Any such animal??? jus' curious, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The crystalloys came in later, but according to Nakamichi's website DR-8 still uses crystalloy technology. Incidently the head on the DR-8 is physically smaller (much shallower) than the head used on the otherwise identical DR-3. Here's the splurge pasted from www.nakamichi.com on the DR-8........... 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECK AN ECONOMICAL 2-HEAD MODEL WITH PERFORMANCE THAT SURPASSES COMPETITIVE 3-HEAD DECKS NAKAMICHI'S SOPHISTICATED MAGNETIC HEAD TECHNOLOGY, OUTSTANDING TAPE TRANSPORT MECHANISM, SUPERB ELECTRONICS, AND PRECISION MANUFACTURE PUT THE DR-8 AT THE FOREFRONT OF 2-HEAD CASSETTE DECKS. FREQUENCY RESPONSE IS AN INCREDIBLE 20-20,000 Hz ± 3 dB WITH NORMAL TAPE * INCREDIBLE BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE CONSIDERED A REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT FOR AN EXPENSIVE 3-HEAD DECK. AS A HIGHLY AFFORDABLE 2-HEAD DECK, HOWEVER, NOTHING COMES CLOSE TO THE DR-8. * Dolby B and C Noise reduction circuitry and Crystalloy heads deliver remarkable high-fidelity performance. * DC servo capstan motor responds instantaneously to load fluctuations, further suppressing flutter components. * Bias fine-tune control enables adjustment for minor variations among tape brands and formulations to achieve flat frequency response. * Automatic tape slack take-up mechanism winds loose tape fully onto the hubs when cassette is inserted. * Bi-directional auto-search seeks for "zero" counter position in rewind or fast-forward. * System remote jack on rear panel enables cassette deck operation using a Nakamichi receiver remote control. Cheers, Marc >>> enoyes at snet.net 05/29/02 06:28AM >>> I think that the LX series all used authentic Nak heads, while the lower end BX and later may have used other heads. Even so, I still find my old BX-125 to sound better than just about any non Nakamichi. Ed Michael Mironov wrote: > >I do not know exactly which ones, but I do have it on good authority that a number of the > >later and less expensive Nak decks actually did use third party sourced heads. Jeff Galin > >would actually be the person to go to for details on which ones. > > > >Ed > > Hi Ed, > > The models I'm talking about is all two-head machines starting from LX-3. > I'm sure that later DR-8 has terrible head but I have nothing against heads > in my LX-3 and BX-es. > Stuill curious anyway ;-) > > Misha > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu May 30 22:19:35 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 13:19:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions Message-ID: What do you audiophiles think of the SACD format? Modern audiophile magazines seem to be more interested in features than in true audio quality. Is it really all its cracked up to be? http://www.sacd.philips.com/sacd_format.html I mean what's going to sound better, a Philips or Sony SACD player with an SACD disk or a Dragon CD with a conventional CD? I guess my question is, does it make sense to go SACD, or just get a better CD player. Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu May 30 22:43:07 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:43:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: Message-ID: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> Erik, This is not a simple question and is sure to evoke a wide range of responses. Also, I am not sure what magazines you are eluding to, but magazines such as The Absolute Sound and Stereophile, love them or hate them, are definitely concerned with sound quality over features. >From all I have read, it is clear that SACD, or DVD-A for that matter, can out perform CD. But the big problem is that it is a bit of a war on which will win out, SACD or DVD-A. There is very little media to purchase for either of these formats at this time also, and it's more expensive. The general public is happy with CD's. If you are looking to buy, I wouldn't hesitate to look into a good CD player. You can purchase a player that plays both SACD and Redbook CD's if you desire. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Lotspeich" To: Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions > What do you audiophiles think of the SACD format? Modern audiophile > magazines seem to be more interested in features than in true audio > quality. Is it really all its cracked up to be? > > http://www.sacd.philips.com/sacd_format.html > > I mean what's going to sound better, a Philips or Sony SACD player with an > SACD disk or a Dragon CD with a conventional CD? I guess my question is, > does it make sense to go SACD, or just get a better CD player. > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu May 30 23:02:27 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 14:02:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3CF69363.13AA777C@earthlink.net> It's impossible to make broad generalizations about SACD vs CD, as it is when comparing any audio technology. A properly implemented a redbook player will outperform a poorly implemented SACD player. The quality of the analog output section of a CD player is every bit as important as the digital technology used within. Jim Volpatti Brian Miller wrote: > Erik, > > This is not a simple question and is sure to evoke a wide range of > responses. Also, I am not sure what magazines you are eluding to, but > magazines such as The Absolute Sound and Stereophile, love them or hate > them, are definitely concerned with sound quality over features. > > >From all I have read, it is clear that SACD, or DVD-A for that matter, can > out perform CD. But the big problem is that it is a bit of a war on which > will win out, SACD or DVD-A. There is very little media to purchase for > either of these formats at this time also, and it's more expensive. > > The general public is happy with CD's. > > If you are looking to buy, I wouldn't hesitate to look into a good CD > player. You can purchase a player that plays both SACD and Redbook CD's if > you desire. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik Lotspeich" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 4:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions > > > What do you audiophiles think of the SACD format? Modern audiophile > > magazines seem to be more interested in features than in true audio > > quality. Is it really all its cracked up to be? > > > > http://www.sacd.philips.com/sacd_format.html > > > > I mean what's going to sound better, a Philips or Sony SACD player with an > > SACD disk or a Dragon CD with a conventional CD? I guess my question is, > > does it make sense to go SACD, or just get a better CD player. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Erik. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Thu May 30 23:16:19 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:16:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Some questions about Naks Message-ID: <3CF696A3.241F2DC0@warwick.net> Hello all. I am a new subscriber, and have some questions regarding Naks. I'm involved, with several other folks in different locations, in digitizing and also making new analog cassette masters of a large number of 90 minute lectures, the earliest of which were originally recorded on 7" Reels, and then in the late 60s- early 70s cassettes were used as the masters. We are using Naks as both the playback deck, and the deck that the new cassette master is being recorded on. So far, we are using DR-10s and DR-8s that we purchased about a year or so ago. One question I would like to put out, in general, is: Does anyone know of anyplace where Naks can still be purchased? I'm finding that they have by this time almost disappeared from the market, since they are no longer being made. Any help would be greatly appreciated. We would particularly be interested in finding a Nak that has adjustable azimuth for the playback mode. I understand that some Naks had automatic azimuth adjustment and that some had manual azimuth adjustment. I've heard that there have been some problems with the DR-1, which did have manual azimuth adjustment for playback. Anyone out there with any experience/ opinions on this? The final question also concerns azimuth adjustment. One of our 'technicians' has managed to be able to adjust the azimuth on cheaper tape decks by doing a little surgery and being able to get to the adjustment screws with a philips head screwdriver, while the tape is being played. On our DR-10 and DR-8, it is fairly easy to remove the outside cover (a nice feature), but we've found that the adjustment screws are sealed in place with some kind of epoxy or something. We're a little nervous about using the old 'hot screw driver' technique to see if we can break the seal and adjust the azimuth. That's ok on a Sony, but we really don't want to take the chance of ruining a nice new Nak. Does anyone out there have any experience in attempting this procedure? Again, any help will really be appreciated. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri May 31 00:05:19 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:05:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: Message-ID: <3CF6A21F.7732967@earthlink.net> It's impossible to make broad generalizations about SACD vs CD, just as it is when comparing any audio technology. The quality of implementation is more important than the chosen digital technology. Also keep in mind that the quality of the analog output stage of a CD player is every bit as important as the digital technology used within. Jim Volpatti Erik Lotspeich wrote: > What do you audiophiles think of the SACD format? Modern audiophile > magazines seem to be more interested in features than in true audio > quality. Is it really all its cracked up to be? > > http://www.sacd.philips.com/sacd_format.html > > I mean what's going to sound better, a Philips or Sony SACD player with an > SACD disk or a Dragon CD with a conventional CD? I guess my question is, > does it make sense to go SACD, or just get a better CD player. > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri May 31 04:12:16 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:12:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] dbx References: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> <3CF69363.13AA777C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <008301c20848$964384b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1303 David dbx Blackmer Dies (dbx Founder ) ======================= Wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions on budget audiophile turntables. When Rega was mentioned, I thought I'd ask an old friend in Toronto what he thought of his Rega P2 which he had. He said he has been very happy with it over the last 6 years, but hasn't used it for the most part and he offered it to me for free! Just pay shipping. What a good guy! So looks like my hunt for a turntable has come to an end for the moment. Thanx, Roland ====================== FOR SALE: 1 TECHNICS SL-D2 TURNTABLE =) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri May 31 09:13:59 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:43:59 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] dual well Message-ID: <20020531071359.2C98D1149BE@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri May 31 16:02:04 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 21:02:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] dbx References: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> <3CF69363.13AA777C@earthlink.net> <008301c20848$964384b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001501c208ab$f55f79a0$81299bca@smarzuki> Um, by any chance ... do you have any other friend with 6 yrs old P2 ? Salim SM PS: P3 won't hurt either. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: [naktalk] dbx http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1303 David dbx Blackmer Dies (dbx Founder ) ======================= Wanted to thank everyone for their suggestions on budget audiophile turntables. When Rega was mentioned, I thought I'd ask an old friend in Toronto what he thought of his Rega P2 which he had. He said he has been very happy with it over the last 6 years, but hasn't used it for the most part and he offered it to me for free! Just pay shipping. What a good guy! So looks like my hunt for a turntable has come to an end for the moment. Thanx, Roland ====================== FOR SALE: 1 TECHNICS SL-D2 TURNTABLE =) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 31 16:04:40 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:04:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: Message-ID: <021301c208ac$1b914ea0$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Its to early to tell about the viability of SACD or dvd audio and just like records and tapes there are going to be a lot of red book cd's around for a long time. But this may make it interesting: http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?1353 Sony & Universal to cease CD production in favor of Hybrid SACD? By Peter van Willenswaard May 27, 2002 - Things seemed to be going well for SACD at the 112th AES Convention, held May 10-13 in Munich. The official news, announced at a Sony-Philips press conference, was that one million consumer SACD players have been sold so far. One large Dutch audio retailer even reported to me that they now sold more SACD players than CD players. The prognosis for SACD is total worldwide sales of 6 million players (in whatever form) in 2003 and 13 million in 2004. As for making the discs, Sony has three pressing plants (in Japan, the US, and Europe), but as yet no facility for making hybrid SACD/CD discs. Sonopress (Germany), which can press hybrids, plans to double its capacity by June, and will start a second production line in September. Now the unofficial news. I attended the AES Convention with a colleague, Hans Beekhuyzen. We ran into someone close to the SACD fire, who told us that in three months the situation would be totally different-one of the main record companies had decided to stop CD production and switch to SACD/CD hybrids for all new titles. As Sony cannot as yet produce hybrids, we concluded that the label in question had to be Universal. I contacted a source close to Philips, who, when asked, confirmed our conclusion. We then confronted Sony and Philips press people with our information. This stirred a few nerves and inspired evasive answers, but no hard denials. Hans was then contacted by a Universal spokesman, who calmly denied everything. A few days after the Convention, we contacted someone from the record industry, who finally told us the whole story. He confirmed Universal's switch, but added that Sony Music will soon open a hybrid SACD pressing plant somewhere in the US, which will allow SACD prices to fall to around $23 or even below. All of this finally explains the official announcement about Sonopress not only doubling its capacity but also launching that second production line. It also suggests that the record companies have decided that the CD copy-protection schemes tried out in the last few years are lost causes, and are turning to the well-protected SACD. Due to the holiday weekend, we were unable on Friday to get anyone at Sony or Universal in the US to comment on this report. We will update our information as soon as we can do so.-Ed. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 31 16:23:20 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:23:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: Message-ID: <3CF78758.FC0CF224@rcn.com> Erik Lotspeich wrote: > > What do you audiophiles think of the SACD format? Modern audiophile > magazines seem to be more interested in features than in true audio > quality. Is it really all its cracked up to be? > > http://www.sacd.philips.com/sacd_format.html > > I mean what's going to sound better, a Philips or Sony SACD player with an > SACD disk or a Dragon CD with a conventional CD? I guess my question is, > does it make sense to go SACD, or just get a better CD player. > > Thanks, > > Erik. Technically speaking, an SACD (and/or DVD-A) disc *should* sound better, because the technology is better. Based on what's on the market now, all players are 'high-end' and should also sound better, by definition. (Truth be told, this is not guaranteed for the future.) However, it all depends on the recording itself. You could easily get a run-of-the-mill SACD disc that will sound no better (maybe, worse) than some of your regular CDs. Reading some of the disc reviews, it seems this is already happening. At this stage of the game, I wouldn't spend the current entry price for these particular technologies. BTW, there are two technical requirements: first, one must buy a player that supports the format of one's choice. Currently, you can buy either an SACD player or a DVD-A player -- nothing that supports both formats is available. This means that if you put your money on one format, you may lose out big if/when the other format wins the war that will eventually ensue. Second, you need a receiver (or pre-pro, as the case may be) that has a multi-channel analog input. Unless your receiver is fairly new, this means you must go out and shell big bucks for a new one. (In my case, my pre-pro doesn't, and I am not too keen on junking a $3,500 piece of machinery for a format I am not crazy about in the first place.) Another issue not yet resolved is that most players (except maybe the absolute latest) do not offer bass management, and the same is true for the multi-channel analog inputs of most (all?) receivers and pre-pros. Until this issue is satisfactorily solved, neither format is viable to me. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 31 16:29:24 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 10:29:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega References: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> <3CF69363.13AA777C@earthlink.net> <008301c20848$964384b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001501c208ab$f55f79a0$81299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <025101c208af$90277840$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Comgratualtions on getting the Rega you can go to http://www.rega.co.uk/index2.htm and download the manual for your new table also don't forget you there is a motor upgrade for the planar 2 that makes a big difference. and since you now have a great arm spend some money and get a good cartridge just stay away from grado's on the rega have fun Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri May 31 17:11:41 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:11:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Copy protection for SACD Message-ID: Howdy to all those SACD enthusiasts on naktalk, Warren Tremain quoted Peter van Willenswaard on the issue, vis ............t also suggests that the record companies have decided that the CD copy-protection schemes tried out in the last few years are lost causes, and are turning to the well-protected SACD................. My question is, will the SACD format, with, as inferred above, make copying a SACD or DVD-A (for that matter) disc to other digital formats difficult or even impossible etc? If such copy protection were indeed really effective, it would certainly have quite an impact on the current habit of burning CDs on computers and CR-R/CD-RW machines. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri May 31 17:14:06 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 08:14:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega References: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> <3CF69363.13AA777C@earthlink.net> <008301c20848$964384b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001501c208ab$f55f79a0$81299bca@smarzuki> <025101c208af$90277840$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001601c208b5$cedc1db0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Thanx Warren for the Link. I'll check it out right away. Yes, I've heard that the Rega P3 motor is better. One report I read, was of a guy who held the motor in his hand while it was runnning, and properly adjusted, said he couldn't even feel any movement, and could only visually see it was running. THAT'S smooth! I've also heard that the P3's RB300 tonearm is a lot better. Which should I look at replacing first, the motor or the arm? How would a Shure V-15VxMR work in this table? I understand the arm accepts most cartridges. I've always liked the V-15, though I have tried few others. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Fri May 31 18:42:05 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:42:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega In-Reply-To: <001601c208b5$cedc1db0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <000001c208c2$19b19020$81c686d9@JAS> Hi Roland, Most important with your Rega, isolation, isolation and isolation. If you have a wall shelf all the better - oh yeah and levelling is pretty vital, it's worth spending the time as it's a simple deck. If you have a decent printer (and the patience to calibrate it) you could try using Seb's Rega protractor on my site http://www.vinylengine.com. There's also a decent article by Mark Baker on setting up Rega arms and the infamous 'hot wired Rega' guide to rewiring the arm. As for general help with getting the best from your Rega try doing a search at http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/bbs.html - you will find every view under the sun, most contradictory! Most of all happy listening - you just got a damn fine source Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 31 May 2002 16:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Roland's Rega Thanx Warren for the Link. I'll check it out right away. Yes, I've heard that the Rega P3 motor is better. One report I read, was of a guy who held the motor in his hand while it was runnning, and properly adjusted, said he couldn't even feel any movement, and could only visually see it was running. THAT'S smooth! I've also heard that the P3's RB300 tonearm is a lot better. Which should I look at replacing first, the motor or the arm? How would a Shure V-15VxMR work in this table? I understand the arm accepts most cartridges. I've always liked the V-15, though I have tried few others. Thanx, Roland ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 31 18:50:40 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:50:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: <3CF78758.FC0CF224@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002a01c208c3$4be8fb40$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> Ron said > BTW, there are two technical requirements: first, > one must buy a player that supports the format of > one's choice. Currently, you can buy either an SACD > player or a DVD-A player -- nothing that supports > both formats is available. Pioneer has a player for around 1200.00 that plays both formats (dvd-A and sacd) and sony has come out with a sub $300.00 sacd player Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri May 31 18:56:42 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:56:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega References: <012901c2081a$9add9520$c1021fac@brianm> <3CF69363.13AA777C@earthlink.net> <008301c20848$964384b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001501c208ab$f55f79a0$81299bca@smarzuki> <025101c208af$90277840$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> <001601c208b5$cedc1db0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <003201c208c4$23c94380$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> Dont' change the arm there is basically no difference between the rb250 and the rb300 sound wise. The rb300 just makes it easier to set the weight because its spring loaded. There are some who argue that the rb250 is the better sounding of the two. What you could look into is the various upgrades for the arm offered by Origin live, VPI and express machinings there all basically replacements for the rear stub and counterweight there is also a very good wiring upgrade availeable from incognito But hold off for now and just enjoy what you have. The shure should work fine in the arm though the setup may be a bit off get the table and we will go through it If it were my money this is the upgrade path I would follow Motor upgrade Better cartridge good phono stage if you don't have one the various arm upgrades (they start at $75.00) Finally there is a reason that the planar 2 and three have been around for so long its because they are some of the best turntables ever made enjoy analogue is fun Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Roland's Rega > Thanx Warren for the Link. I'll check it out right away. > > Yes, I've heard that the Rega P3 motor is better. One report I read, was of > a guy who held the motor in his hand while it was runnning, and properly > adjusted, said he couldn't even feel any movement, and could only visually > see it was running. THAT'S smooth! > > I've also heard that the P3's RB300 tonearm is a lot better. Which should I > look at replacing first, the motor or the arm? > > How would a Shure V-15VxMR work in this table? I understand the arm accepts > most cartridges. I've always liked the V-15, though I have tried few > others. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 31 19:23:32 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:23:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Copy protection for SACD References: Message-ID: <3CF7B194.7974BFE9@rcn.com> Mark Hugo wrote: > > Howdy to all those SACD enthusiasts on naktalk, > > Warren Tremain quoted Peter van Willenswaard on the issue, vis > > ............t also suggests that the record companies have decided that the CD > copy-protection schemes tried out in the last few years are lost causes, and > are turning to the well-protected SACD................. > > My question is, will the SACD format, with, as inferred above, make copying a SACD or DVD-A (for that matter) disc to other digital formats difficult or even impossible etc? If such copy protection were indeed really effective, it would certainly have quite an impact on the current habit of burning CDs on computers and CR-R/CD-RW machines. > > Marc > Regardless of how difficult or impossible copying new formats is now, you can rest assured that eventually, the scheme will be broken. I can't recall a single enciphering scheme in human history that was immune to breaking. Whatever a human can devise, some other human can undo. Years ago, I managed a development project for data enciphering gear that was sold to the governments, the military, police, etc. At the time, we calculated the mean time it would take to break the digital scrambler code, using brute force computer analysis and assuming the then unimaginable computer power of 1000 MIPS. It came out around 4800 years and change. Today, using current computer technology and modern breaking algorithms, this time would be a few hours... There are quite a few hackers around. They work for nothing, except the satisfaction of knowing they are smarter than somebody else. They have broken the Windows XP activation scheme (two different ways) and the DVD scrambling scheme. You can bet your last dollar that SACD and DVD-A schemes will eventually be broken. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri May 31 19:45:56 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:45:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: <3CF78758.FC0CF224@rcn.com> <002a01c208c3$4be8fb40$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3CF7B6D4.D409FCD0@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > > Ron said > > BTW, there are two technical requirements: first, > > one must buy a player that supports the format of > > one's choice. Currently, you can buy either an SACD > > player or a DVD-A player -- nothing that supports > > both formats is available. > Pioneer has a player for around 1200.00 that plays both formats > (dvd-A and sacd) > and sony has come out with a sub $300.00 sacd player > Warren The only model I could find on Pioneer's web site is the DV-AX10, listing for a mere $6,000 and playing (like most SACD players) only 2 channel SACDs. Regardless, I am sure you are quite right and multi-format models will be appearing in the future. As to the low cost Sony players -- again, you are quite right. The SCD-CE775 is only $200 list, while the DVP-NS500V DVD player is $300. Both play SACDs -- multi channel, to boot. Seems like the future is already here... I have no idea what sound quality these offer, though. I was thinking of the SCD1, for a cool $5,000, that was said to be of very high quality. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 31 21:00:56 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 20:00:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega In-Reply-To: <003201c208c4$23c94380$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c208d5$7eda7ee0$d4b287d9@a4s1s2> Indeed. As a RB300 owner, one modified by Origin Live, I was somewhat irritated to read OL themselves consider the RB250 the better of the two! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 31 May 2002 05:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Roland's Rega Dont' change the arm there is basically no difference between the rb250 and the rb300 sound wise. The rb300 just makes it easier to set the weight because its spring loaded. There are some who argue that the rb250 is the better sounding of the two. What you could look into is the various upgrades for the arm offered by Origin live, VPI and express machinings there all basically replacements for the rear stub and counterweight there is also a very good wiring upgrade availeable from incognito But hold off for now and just enjoy what you have. The shure should work fine in the arm though the setup may be a bit off get the table and we will go through it If it were my money this is the upgrade path I would follow Motor upgrade Better cartridge good phono stage if you don't have one the various arm upgrades (they start at $75.00) Finally there is a reason that the planar 2 and three have been around for so long its because they are some of the best turntables ever made enjoy analogue is fun Warren --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Fri May 31 22:44:20 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:44:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega Message-ID: I always thought that the main difference between the Planar 2 and the 3 was in the arm, which manifested itself in the looser, but more generous bass in the "2" and a tad drier,tighter and more focused in the "3". But there's not much to fault either at the price. These analyses were with the bog standard "Bias" cartridge, which I personally wouldn't recommend with either arm. Especially with the RB300 arm it's worth going for something nice, even a sensibly priced MC that doesn't mind the higher arm mass. But I agree Graham, the 300 is better than the 250 anyday. Perhaps from their vantage point, the silver wiring job on the 250 "Moth" arm elevates the perfomance more noticably than doing the same exercise on the 300 - sort of more obvious improvements coming off a low base, so to speak. I mean, one wouldn't mind putting an RB300 on a Michell Gyrodek or equivalent, but I'm sure Jim Volpatti has something to say about that!!!! Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 05/31/02 09:00PM >>> Indeed. As a RB300 owner, one modified by Origin Live, I was somewhat irritated to read OL themselves consider the RB250 the better of the two! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: 31 May 2002 05:57 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Roland's Rega Dont' change the arm there is basically no difference between the rb250 and the rb300 sound wise. The rb300 just makes it easier to set the weight because its spring loaded. There are some who argue that the rb250 is the better sounding of the two. What you could look into is the various upgrades for the arm offered by Origin live, VPI and express machinings there all basically replacements for the rear stub and counterweight there is also a very good wiring upgrade availeable from incognito But hold off for now and just enjoy what you have. The shure should work fine in the arm though the setup may be a bit off get the table and we will go through it If it were my money this is the upgrade path I would follow Motor upgrade Better cartridge good phono stage if you don't have one the various arm upgrades (they start at $75.00) Finally there is a reason that the planar 2 and three have been around for so long its because they are some of the best turntables ever made enjoy analogue is fun Warren --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-6.txt ************************************************************************ From roleo at telus.net Sat Jun 1 00:24:28 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:24:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: <3CF78758.FC0CF224@rcn.com> <002a01c208c3$4be8fb40$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001b01c208f1$ede7d7d0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Just wondered how that purchase of the Sony Metal Master cassettes went. Did anyone actually get any, and what did the final price work out to if it did? Just got my hands on 8 new Sony Metal ES tapes. I never realized Sony had so many high end tapes. Metal Master, Metal ES, Metal XR, and Sony SMMST. How do these rate in order of quality and how do they compare with the TDK MA-XG or Maxell Vertex in the real world? --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 1 00:37:23 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:37:23 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c208f3$bb987080$65ce87d9@a4s1s2> Marc To be fair, Origin Live don't say the RB300 is not as good as the RB250; rather that the OL modified RB250 is better than the OL modified RB300. I've not had the privilege of testing this and cannot, on the face of it, understand why this might (just might!) be so. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 31 May 2002 09:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Roland's Rega I always thought that the main difference between the Planar 2 and the 3 was in the arm, which manifested itself in the looser, but more generous bass in the "2" and a tad drier,tighter and more focused in the "3". But there's not much to fault either at the price. These analyses were with the bog standard "Bias" cartridge, which I personally wouldn't recommend with either arm. Especially with the RB300 arm it's worth going for something nice, even a sensibly priced MC that doesn't mind the higher arm mass. But I agree Graham, the 300 is better than the 250 anyday. Perhaps from their vantage point, the silver wiring job on the 250 "Moth" arm elevates the perfomance more noticably than doing the same exercise on the 300 - sort of more obvious improvements coming off a low base, so to speak. I mean, one wouldn't mind putting an RB300 on a Michell Gyrodek or equivalent, but I'm sure Jim Volpatti has something to say about that!!!! Cheers, Marc --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Jun 1 04:22:50 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:22:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions Message-ID: <20020531.222251.-199443.2.josephj69@juno.com> My feeling on this issue is pretty simple, and I'm curious to see what others think. There's no doubt that SACD (or even DVD-A) have the potential to be far superior to "red book" CD. I have no doubt about that. However, my feeling is that this potential will never be realized for one simple reason: SACD (or DVD-A) is destined to become a multi-channel format. The average consumer is more than happy with the quality of an mp3 file. There is no way they're going to realize the value of a high resolution digital format without some kind of gimmick - that's where your 9.1 channel sound comes in. In addition, the record labels are salivating to reissue their entire classic rock & pop music catalogs in bastardized multi-channel mixes. They will stop at nothing to convince every consumer that it's time to replace his entire CD collection with the new, "better" multi-channel discs. Remember, the labels convinced most consumers to replace their vinyl with CD, and they will most certainly convince them to dump their CDs now as well. Keep in mind that multi-channel discs will also solve their whole mp3 piracy problem - mp3's aren't multi-channel. Personally, I have NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in multi-channel sound. Even at its best I find it to be irritating, and in most cases absolutely unlistenable. Only the smallest, esoteric audiophile labels will issue quality high resolution discs in stereo sound, and I'm not really a fan of "audiophile music." I've invested in a top quality "red book" player, and I intend to stick with it for a very, very long time. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Jun 1 04:44:53 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 22:44:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Roland's Rega Message-ID: <20020531.224453.-199443.4.josephj69@juno.com> > I've also heard that the P3's RB300 tonearm is a lot better. The stock RB-300 is probably a little better sounding, but with even the most basic Origin Live structural modifications, the RB-250 is the clear winner. The 300 uses a spring to set force, which is always a bad idea. The spring, although very well designed in the Rega arms, induces resonance into the arm and this creates some mild coloration. It's not noticeable on the stock arm, but becomes more obvious when you upgrade it with the Origin Live mods (which are always highly recommended). > Which should I look at replacing first, the motor or the arm? The arm is so much better than the table that I'd replace the table itself before spending money anywhere else. I don't know what the motor upgrade costs, but I doubt it's a great investment unless you intend to keep this table for a very long time. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 1 15:55:46 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:55:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT question In-Reply-To: <008301c20848$964384b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <000501c20974$0784df80$1fbf87d9@a4s1s2> Anyone ever heard of the CJ Walker 55 turntable? Was it any good? Is this the same company that makes that stratospheric high end turntable? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 1 18:50:10 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:50:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: <20020531.222251.-199443.2.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3CF8FB42.88287E94@rcn.com> As a reasonable quality multi channel system owner, my view is quite different. I feel that multi channel reproduction offers improvement for most recordings, including many that were never designed for more than two speakers. In very few cases does it make the recording worse -- let alone, 'unlistenable' -- but when so, the remedy is just one remote control click away. My pre-pro offers two very useful multi channel modes. Dolby pro-logic works very well with recordings designed for it and many streo recordings. Most other stereo recordings sound great in the 'matrix' mode. Quite a few sound far better that 'true' DPL recordings. In some (of a soloist plus accompanyment) the soloist is placed squarely in the center speaker, with the orchestra staged very nicely across the front of the room, with the surround speakers providing spatial effects, too subtle to even be aware of until they are turned off. IME, people that are turned off by a multi channel system have been exposed to a poor one, where the speakers (except for the main front L/R) -- are of poor quality. These are low cost systems, designed specifically for HT and not for music. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > My feeling on this issue is pretty simple, and I'm curious to see what > others think. > > There's no doubt that SACD (or even DVD-A) have the potential to be far > superior to "red book" CD. I have no doubt about that. However, my > feeling is that this potential will never be realized for one simple > reason: > > SACD (or DVD-A) is destined to become a multi-channel format. The > average consumer is more than happy with the quality of an mp3 file. > There is no way they're going to realize the value of a high resolution > digital format without some kind of gimmick - that's where your 9.1 > channel sound comes in. In addition, the record labels are salivating to > reissue their entire classic rock & pop music catalogs in bastardized > multi-channel mixes. They will stop at nothing to convince every > consumer that it's time to replace his entire CD collection with the new, > "better" multi-channel discs. Remember, the labels convinced most > consumers to replace their vinyl with CD, and they will most certainly > convince them to dump their CDs now as well. Keep in mind that > multi-channel discs will also solve their whole mp3 piracy problem - > mp3's aren't multi-channel. > > Personally, I have NO INTEREST WHATSOEVER in multi-channel sound. Even > at its best I find it to be irritating, and in most cases absolutely > unlistenable. Only the smallest, esoteric audiophile labels will issue > quality high resolution discs in stereo sound, and I'm not really a fan > of "audiophile music." I've invested in a top quality "red book" player, > and I intend to stick with it for a very, very long time. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jay at benach.com Sat Jun 1 20:48:03 2002 From: jay at benach.com (Jay) Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 14:48:03 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [naktalk] My Dilemma Message-ID: My Dilemma: I own 3 decks: Nak RX-505, Revox B215, and Sony WM-D6C. I like to make mix tapes (using sources from CD, turntable, etc..) and listen to them at home (Classe//Vandersteen system) and on the road (Airhead/Etymotic system). Whether at home or traveling, I have a very high resolution playback chain. I have been using the B215 to make my recordings as I have been under the impression that it makes the best recording of the decks I have, and offers greatest compatibility with the D6C (in terms of what I think is called EQ). I am basing this assumption on what I read over at the Audio Asylum http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/12148.html Unfortunately, due to home system placement (near a window in new york city highrise), when I play back tapes on the B215, I pick up radio interference and a hum. I have tried changing the interconnects (everything from $39 Monsters to $330 Silver Audio Hyacinths) and all yield varying degrees of interference. Yes, I have tried 'moving the interconnects around' to reduce the interference--while this does help--I cannot completely eliminate it. This problem is most apparent during quiet moments of songs, in between songs, etc.. when there is little or no music and the radio announcer can be clearly heard! Yes, I attached a wire from an underscrew on the B215 to the chassis of my 3 prong grounded Classe and the hum does not go away. This problem does NOT exist when using the 505 for playback--regardless of interconnect, regardless of whether the tape was recorded on 505, B215, or D6C. Yes, I have also tried using different inputs on my Classe integrated amp but regardless where the B215 is connected, I am plagued by radio interference and hum. For now, I cannot move the location of the entire system, nor the B215. The D6C is virtually new, and the 505 and the B215 have all been totally overhauled in the past 18 months by authorized servicers. Is there a solution to this problem? Is the B215 known to have weak RF rejection? Is mine a lemon? Has anyone else experienced this? Do I have to make a choice between ok audio at home (record and playback on the 505) and lesser fidelity on the road (record 505 playback D6C)? Tapes I make on the B215 then playback on the 505 definitely lose something--I cannot define it but it is a general lessening of presence and coherence in the music. If I sold these decks for something else would that solve the problem? Tandberg 3014A? Dragon? CR-7A? I am trying to satisfy best playback at home (using any deck) and best playback on the road (using what I am told is the best portable player, the Sony D6C). Comments or suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks --Jay ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 1 21:49:25 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 15:49:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] My Dilemma References: Message-ID: <3CF92545.EEBB8E15@rcn.com> Jay wrote: > > My Dilemma: > I own 3 decks: Nak RX-505, Revox B215, and Sony WM-D6C. > I like to make mix tapes (using sources from CD, turntable, etc..) > and listen to them at home (Classe//Vandersteen system) and on the road > (Airhead/Etymotic system). Whether at home or traveling, I have a very > high resolution playback chain. > I have been using the B215 to make my recordings as I have been under > the impression that it makes the best recording of the decks I have, and > offers greatest compatibility with the D6C (in terms of what I think is > called EQ). I am basing this assumption on what I read over at the Audio > Asylum http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/general/messages/12148.html > Unfortunately, due to home system placement (near a window in new > york city highrise), when I play back tapes > on the B215, I pick up radio interference and a hum. I have tried > changing the interconnects (everything from $39 Monsters to $330 Silver > Audio Hyacinths) and all yield varying degrees of interference. Yes, I > have tried 'moving the interconnects around' to reduce the > interference--while this does help--I cannot completely eliminate it. > This problem is most apparent during quiet moments of songs, in between > songs, etc.. when there is little or no music and the radio announcer > can be clearly heard! Yes, I attached a wire from an underscrew on the > B215 to the chassis of my 3 prong grounded Classe and the hum does not go > away. > This problem does NOT exist when using the 505 for > playback--regardless of interconnect, regardless of whether the tape was > recorded on 505, B215, or D6C. Yes, I have also tried using different > inputs on my Classe integrated amp but regardless where the B215 is > connected, I am plagued by radio interference and hum. > For now, I cannot move the location of the entire system, nor the > B215. > The D6C is virtually new, and the 505 and the B215 have all been > totally overhauled in the past 18 months by authorized servicers. > > Is there a solution to this problem? > Is the B215 known to have weak RF rejection? > Is mine a lemon? > Has anyone else experienced this? > Do I have to make a choice between ok audio at home (record and > playback on the 505) and lesser fidelity on the road (record 505 playback > D6C)? Tapes I make on the B215 then playback on the 505 definitely lose > something--I cannot define it but it is a general lessening of presence > and coherence in the music. If I sold these decks for something else > would that solve the problem? Tandberg 3014A? Dragon? CR-7A? > I am trying to satisfy best playback at home (using any deck) and best > playback on the road (using what I am told is the best portable > player, the Sony D6C). > > Comments or suggestions greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > --Jay I do not know whether the B215 is particularly susceptible to EMI or hum problems. I know of one specific deck that has absolutely none of these problems. Is yours a lemon? I doubt it. It could have a problem that causes interference pick up, but that would be a specific fault, not a general weakness. Both hum and EMI problems are notoriously difficult to pinpoint. But you can do two things that come to mind. First, a ground connection inside the deck may have come loose, corroded or just developed series resistance. If technically inclined, you can try to attack this by opening up the deck and tightening (and/or retightening) ground locations wherever they are. You'd what to pay special attention to points where ground is made through contacts, such as PCB areas under screw heads, etc. If you have a schematic, it is also possible to pinpoint the circuit area where the EMI and/or hum are picked up. This assumes that when you open the deck up and expose the circuitry, the hum and interference are still present during PB. What you do is follow the signal path from the head to the output jack, shorting the signal to ground, one point at a time along the path, wherever it's safe to do so (make sure you do not cause damage -- not all points may be shorted to ground with impunity). Obviously, if the hum does not disappear when you short a point to ground, it is injected into the signal path after this point. If you find another point that does remove the hum when shorted, circuitry between these two points is suspect. If you are not technically inclined, a professional may be able to help, assuming he/she can duplicate the problem in the lab. This is not guaranteed to happen. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From joelhall at pacbell.net Sat Jun 1 21:49:39 2002 From: joelhall at pacbell.net (joel hall) Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:49:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] SACD opinions References: <3CF78758.FC0CF224@rcn.com> <002a01c208c3$4be8fb40$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> <001b01c208f1$ede7d7d0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3CF92553.50C455E0@pacbell.net> I am a late comer to this conversation. I also did not know Sony made an extensive line a metal cassette tapes. Where can one get them or obtain information on them? I get the sense from Roland's message that they are no longer available or are getting scarce. Thanks Joel Roland Alford wrote: > Just wondered how that purchase of the Sony Metal Master cassettes went. > Did anyone actually get any, and what did the final price work out to if it > did? > > Just got my hands on 8 new Sony Metal ES tapes. > > I never realized Sony had so many high end tapes. Metal Master, Metal ES, > Metal XR, and Sony SMMST. > > How do these rate in order of quality and how do they compare with the TDK > MA-XG or Maxell Vertex in the real world? > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The good chap who does the resoldering in the elimination of orange cap desease both present and future on my Naks found resistor no.626 on the oscilator PCB burnt and replaced it with a straight 100 ohm resistor.Nice of him but I subsequently I checked in the service manual (which he did not have -and dont get horrified he only changes the caps -a mere cost saving procedure!) which states that this should be a'failsafe 68 ohm'resistor ,an article the local wholesalers dont have but chuckle about as apparently'modern units dont use these things anymore' .One even suggested I put in a normal 68ohm in series with a minature fuse (would one not have to know the Amperage to get the right fuse?). Not being a Fundi in electronics I cant say whether this is good witch doctor advise or not.Can someone advise please?BTW I have not switched the thing on since ! All the other Naks have their cancers removed and I now know why one speaks with admiration of a DRAGON even here in Africa! I am realy taken aback by the no. of "irreparable" Naks lying around that only suffer from 'mad cap' desease! Thank you for reading this far !Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Jun 3 20:39:17 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:39:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <3CFDDDD8@mail.totalise.co.uk> Hello Naktalkers, can anyone tell me what type of noise reduction system HIGH COM II is and how well does it work compared to Dolby B or C ?? Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Fred ===== Original Message From "George Valkov" ===== >Fred, > >What's with the NR questions - Aren't you watching the party at the palace ? >-:) > >George >----Original Message Follows---- >From: FRED MOSS >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 19:39:17 +0100 > >Hello Naktalkers, >can anyone tell me what type of noise reduction system HIGH COM II is and >how >well does it work compared to Dolby B or C ?? >Fred > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 03 June 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] >Hello George, in fact I live less than 100 ft from the palace so I can hear it live-but its dreadfully boring so i`m contemplating NAK bits to collect! Fred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Mhugo at sunint.co.za wrote Hi Andy, Probably the correct answer on this group is, because Nakamichi never produced a twin... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Mon Jun 3 22:50:34 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 23:50:34 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: I'm with Jazz FM myself. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Graham Nelson" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:38 +0100 Yup. Agree with you, Fred - the World Music programme, on at the mo' on BBC Radio 3, is much better! HRH is having to endure largely poor performances (even by the better artistes) and poor sound mixing ... may be they'll get it right in time for the end of the concert! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 03 June 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] >Hello George, in fact I live less than 100 ft from the palace so I can hear it live-but its dreadfully boring so i`m contemplating NAK bits to collect! Fred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Bryan Wilson was just singing at the Jubilee Concert, ending on Good Vibrations (best performance of the concert ...) He ended the performance by saying "Thank you from the USA to all of you in Great Britain ..." The speech recognition software running the subtitles interpreted that as "Thank you from the USA to awful Great Britain ..." Don't you just love it when technology fouls up like that!?! Graham (in awful Great Britain!) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 3 23:04:03 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:04:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002c01c20b42$3114f7c0$978f87d9@a4s1s2> I've been on Jazz FM! Everybody is supposed to have 5 minutes of fame ... I had 30 minutes ... on a Summer Holiday Monday, at the same time as a James Bond film was showing on the TV ... so, hardly anyone heard me! Even the (one) friend who wrote to the radio station to say what a great programme it was didn't actually hear it! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 03 June 2002 09:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'm with Jazz FM myself. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Graham Nelson" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:38 +0100 Yup. Agree with you, Fred - the World Music programme, on at the mo' on BBC Radio 3, is much better! HRH is having to endure largely poor performances (even by the better artistes) and poor sound mixing ... may be they'll get it right in time for the end of the concert! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 03 June 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] >Hello George, in fact I live less than 100 ft from the palace so I can hear it live-but its dreadfully boring so i`m contemplating NAK bits to collect! Fred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jun 4 00:15:12 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:15:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AEC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Fred, I own and use the High com II unit. It's similar to DBX noise reduction in that it's based on using compression and expansion to reduce the noise floor and increase dynamic range. It leaves both Dolby B & C types for dead. For many years now I've been tricking people thinking that they are listening to CD, only to discover that they are listening to the humble cassette. I've made killer recording on some ordinary tapes eg - TDK D90. The only downfall is that you can only play the recording on the unit that has the HighCom II attached, if played without the recording sounds "tinny". Hope this has helped you out. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: FRED MOSS [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 4:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Hello Naktalkers, can anyone tell me what type of noise reduction system HIGH COM II is and how well does it work compared to Dolby B or C ?? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jun 4 00:16:59 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:16:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AED@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Graham, Were you the DJ? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 7:04 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] I've been on Jazz FM! Everybody is supposed to have 5 minutes of fame ... I had 30 minutes ... on a Summer Holiday Monday, at the same time as a James Bond film was showing on the TV ... so, hardly anyone heard me! Even the (one) friend who wrote to the radio station to say what a great programme it was didn't actually hear it! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 03 June 2002 09:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] I'm with Jazz FM myself. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Graham Nelson" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: RE: [naktalk] Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:38 +0100 Yup. Agree with you, Fred - the World Music programme, on at the mo' on BBC Radio 3, is much better! HRH is having to endure largely poor performances (even by the better artistes) and poor sound mixing ... may be they'll get it right in time for the end of the concert! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 03 June 2002 07:59 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] >Hello George, in fact I live less than 100 ft from the palace so I can hear it live-but its dreadfully boring so i`m contemplating NAK bits to collect! Fred --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 4 00:50:14 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:50:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AED@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002e01c20b51$06045940$978f87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Tom Yup - wife and I did a programme about Russian jazz. She did the research, interviews in Moscow and got the music and we co-wrote the script and co-presented. They didn't ask us back to do another, though ... !!! (I've got a recording of the programme on cassette.) That's when we fooled the producer into accepting a humble cassette recording. "Cassette isn't good enough for broadcasting music ..." he said, so we dubbed a couple of tracks (using a modest old 2 head Aiwa, not even a Nak') onto a borrowed Sony DAT and he thought that was marvellous, never realising it was a straight analogue copy from a Chrom. cassette tape! I didn't think we'd get away with it but Tanya, who used to be a sound engineer, knew we would. She said ".. he won't hear the difference because he only thinks he can hear the difference when he knows there is a difference ... But he won't know because we won't tell him." She was right. He didn't spot it, and there was a guy who listens to recordings every day of his working life and in between. A trained ear. If anyone ought to have spotted our ruse he should have done. All goes to prove what Ron often says - what sounds "better" is often better because we want to believe it's better, not because it necessarily is better! Which reminds me ... have you yet figured out which of the recordings I've made for you were on the cheap turntable and which on the more expensive one? (Ho! Ho!) [For information, guys, I've recorded a couple of LPs onto a C90 for Tom, some of the tracks having been put down with the old, slightly modified Goldring Lenco 78 with Ortofon OM40 and some with the PT TOO, OL modified/re-wired RB300 and DNM Reson Rica cartridge. Tom's task is to spot the cheap TT from the other ...] Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 June 2002 11:17 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Graham, Were you the DJ? Tom. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jun 4 02:53:53 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:53:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AED@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003001c20b62$4c7d0f00$5b756acf@johnrotten> No, the rear of the Ass! ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] > Graham, > > Were you the DJ? > > Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 7:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] > > > I've been on Jazz FM! Everybody is supposed to have 5 minutes of fame ... I > had 30 minutes ... on a Summer Holiday Monday, at the same time as a James > Bond film was showing on the TV ... so, hardly anyone heard me! Even the > (one) friend who wrote to the radio station to say what a great programme it > was didn't actually hear it! > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > George Valkov > Sent: 03 June 2002 09:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] > > > I'm with Jazz FM myself. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Graham Nelson" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: RE: [naktalk] > Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:38 +0100 > > Yup. Agree with you, Fred - the World Music programme, on at the mo' on BBC > Radio 3, is much better! HRH is having to endure largely poor performances > (even by the better artistes) and poor sound mixing ... may be they'll get > it right in time for the end of the concert! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > FRED MOSS > Sent: 03 June 2002 07:59 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] > > > >Hello George, in fact I live less than 100 ft from the palace so I can > hear > it live-but its dreadfully boring so i`m contemplating NAK bits to collect! > Fred > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 4 04:05:02 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:05:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE References: <005701c20a74$ec386c40$96251ec4@private> Message-ID: <03e501c20b6c$3deb4ec0$333442cf@sank1> Just use an ordinary 68ohm, 1/2W metal oxide resistor. No fuse needed. An m.o. resistor is essentially identical to a "fusible resistor". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "wdrewes" To: Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Hello! The good chap who does the resoldering in the elimination of orange cap desease both present and future on my Naks found resistor no.626 on the oscilator PCB burnt and replaced it with a straight 100 ohm resistor.Nice of him but I subsequently I checked in the service manual (which he did not have -and dont get horrified he only changes the caps -a mere cost saving procedure!) which states that this should be a'failsafe 68 ohm'resistor ,an article the local wholesalers dont have but chuckle about as apparently'modern units dont use these things anymore' .One even suggested I put in a normal 68ohm in series with a minature fuse (would one not have to know the Amperage to get the right fuse?). Not being a Fundi in electronics I cant say whether this is good witch doctor advise or not.Can someone advise please?BTW I have not switched the thing on since ! All the other Naks have their cancers removed and I now know why one speaks with admiration of a DRAGON even here in Africa! I am realy taken aback by the no. of "irreparable" Naks lying around that only suffer from 'mad cap' desease! Thank you for reading this far !Walter Drewes ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jun 4 04:21:05 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 22:21:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] References: <002e01c20b51$06045940$978f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CFC240F.1E6A543B@snet.net> I for one am dying to know the outcome of this little test... keep us all posted! Ed > Which reminds me ... have you yet figured out which of the recordings > I've made for you were on the cheap turntable and which on the more > expensive one? (Ho! Ho!) [For information, guys, I've recorded a > couple of LPs onto a C90 for Tom, some of the tracks having been put > down with the old, slightly modified Goldring Lenco 78 with Ortofon > OM40 and some with the PT TOO, OL modified/re-wired RB300 and DNM > Reson Rica cartridge. Tom's task is to spot the cheap TT from the > other ...] > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of > Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 03 June 2002 11:17 PM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] > > > Graham, > > Were you the DJ? > > Tom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jun 4 04:44:37 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:44:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AF0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Gra' Do any of the TT's that you own do not have automatic return once the arm reaches the end of the record? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 8:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi Tom Yup - wife and I did a programme about Russian jazz. She did the research, interviews in Moscow and got the music and we co-wrote the script and co-presented. They didn't ask us back to do another, though ... !!! (I've got a recording of the programme on cassette.) That's when we fooled the producer into accepting a humble cassette recording. "Cassette isn't good enough for broadcasting music ..." he said, so we dubbed a couple of tracks (using a modest old 2 head Aiwa, not even a Nak') onto a borrowed Sony DAT and he thought that was marvellous, never realising it was a straight analogue copy from a Chrom. cassette tape! I didn't think we'd get away with it but Tanya, who used to be a sound engineer, knew we would. She said ".. he won't hear the difference because he only thinks he can hear the difference when he knows there is a difference ... But he won't know because we won't tell him." She was right. He didn't spot it, and there was a guy who listens to recordings every day of his working life and in between. A trained ear. If anyone ought to have spotted our ruse he should have done. All goes to prove what Ron often says - what sounds "better" is often better because we want to believe it's better, not because it necessar! ily is better! Which reminds me ... have you yet figured out which of the recordings I've made for you were on the cheap turntable and which on the more expensive one? (Ho! Ho!) [For information, guys, I've recorded a couple of LPs onto a C90 for Tom, some of the tracks having been put down with the old, slightly modified Goldring Lenco 78 with Ortofon OM40 and some with the PT TOO, OL modified/re-wired RB300 and DNM Reson Rica cartridge. Tom's task is to spot the cheap TT from the other ...] Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [ mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 June 2002 11:17 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Graham, Were you the DJ? Tom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Jun 4 07:30:43 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 06:30:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] References: <002c01c20b42$3114f7c0$978f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CFC5083.5070309@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham, you have aroused my curiosity. Were you performing, being interviewed, or perhaps just climbing the aerial? John Graham Nelson wrote: >I've been on Jazz FM! Everybody is supposed to have 5 minutes of fame ... I >had 30 minutes ... on a Summer Holiday Monday, at the same time as a James >Bond film was showing on the TV ... so, hardly anyone heard me! Even the >(one) friend who wrote to the radio station to say what a great programme it >was didn't actually hear it! > >Graham > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >George Valkov >Sent: 03 June 2002 09:51 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] > > >I'm with Jazz FM myself. > >George > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: "Graham Nelson" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: RE: [naktalk] >Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:13:38 +0100 > >Yup. Agree with you, Fred - the World Music programme, on at the mo' on BBC >Radio 3, is much better! HRH is having to endure largely poor performances >(even by the better artistes) and poor sound mixing ... may be they'll get >it right in time for the end of the concert! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >FRED MOSS >Sent: 03 June 2002 07:59 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] > > > >Hello George, in fact I live less than 100 ft from the palace so I can >hear >it live-but its dreadfully boring so i`m contemplating NAK bits to collect! >Fred > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Jun 4 08:15:42 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:15:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Message-ID: <001001c20b8f$420ef2e0$e5201ec4@private> Thanks STEPHEN -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:18 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE >Just use an ordinary 68ohm, 1/2W metal oxide resistor. No fuse needed. An >m.o. resistor is essentially identical to a "fusible resistor". > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "wdrewes" >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2002 2:34 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE > > >Hello! The good chap who does the resoldering in the elimination of orange >cap desease both present and future on my Naks found resistor no.626 on the >oscilator PCB burnt and replaced it with a straight 100 ohm resistor.Nice of >him but I subsequently I checked in the service manual (which he did not >have -and dont get horrified he only changes the caps -a mere cost saving >procedure!) which states that this should be a'failsafe 68 ohm'resistor ,an >article the local wholesalers dont have but chuckle about as >apparently'modern units dont use these things anymore' .One even suggested I >put in a normal 68ohm in series with a minature fuse (would one not have to >know the Amperage to get the right fuse?). Not being a Fundi in electronics >I cant say whether this is good witch doctor advise or not.Can someone >advise please?BTW I have not switched the thing on since ! All the other >Naks have their cancers removed and I now know why one speaks with >admiration of a DRAGON even here in Africa! I am realy taken aback by the >no. of "irreparable" Naks lying around that only suffer from 'mad cap' >desease! Thank you for reading this far !Walter Drewes > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 4 09:00:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:00:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201AF0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <004601c20b95$7dcb3fe0$978f87d9@a4s1s2> Tom I'll tell you once you've tried to ID the TT from the music rendition! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 04 June 2002 03:45 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Gra' Do any of the TT's that you own do not have automatic return once the arm reaches the end of the record? Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 8:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi Tom Yup - wife and I did a programme about Russian jazz. She did the research, interviews in Moscow and got the music and we co-wrote the script and co-presented. They didn't ask us back to do another, though ... !!! (I've got a recording of the programme on cassette.) That's when we fooled the producer into accepting a humble cassette recording. "Cassette isn't good enough for broadcasting music ..." he said, so we dubbed a couple of tracks (using a modest old 2 head Aiwa, not even a Nak') onto a borrowed Sony DAT and he thought that was marvellous, never realising it was a straight analogue copy from a Chrom. cassette tape! I didn't think we'd get away with it but Tanya, who used to be a sound engineer, knew we would. She said ".. he won't hear the difference because he only thinks he can hear the difference when he knows there is a difference ... But he won't know because we won't tell him." She was right. He didn't spot it, and there was a guy who listens to recordings every day of his working life and in between. A trained ear. If anyone ought to have spotted our ruse he should have done. All goes to prove what Ron often says - what sounds "better" is often better because we want to believe it's better, not because it necessarily is better! Which reminds me ... have you yet figured out which of the recordings I've made for you were on the cheap turntable and which on the more expensive one? (Ho! Ho!) [For information, guys, I've recorded a couple of LPs onto a C90 for Tom, some of the tracks having been put down with the old, slightly modified Goldring Lenco 78 with Ortofon OM40 and some with the PT TOO, OL modified/re-wired RB300 and DNM Reson Rica cartridge. Tom's task is to spot the cheap TT from the other ...] Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 June 2002 11:17 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Graham, Were you the DJ? Tom. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 4 09:02:56 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:02:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <3CFC5083.5070309@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <004b01c20b95$daddd940$978f87d9@a4s1s2> Heh! Heh! Given the outcome (only the one programme) I may as well have climbed the aerial! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: 04 June 2002 06:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Graham, you have aroused my curiosity. Were you performing, being interviewed, or perhaps just climbing the aerial? John --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Jun 4 16:31:38 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 07:31:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAK DEAL ALERT References: <3CF78758.FC0CF224@rcn.com> <002a01c208c3$4be8fb40$49f43fd0@oemcomputer> <001b01c208f1$ede7d7d0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3CF92553.50C455E0@pacbell.net> Message-ID: <001801c20bd4$893688a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Here's a good deal: A MINT NAK 670 ZX WITH RM 580 WIRELESS REMOTE SYSTEM: BUY IT NOW FOR $320.00! (the remote alone is worth that.) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1357840981 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Well the results are in and before I begin let me say one thing, this was very hard to pick because of my extremely limited experience in mid to high end TT. To put it another way, I own a Sony PS-X555ES Biotracer linear tracking TT with an Ortofon super OM 10 MM cartridge, so the sound quality is reasonable but not great. Graham here's what I think. On side A which had Alex Rostotsky's "open your eyes you can fly" album, I feel this was played on your PT. The reason I say this is because the quality and realism of the music was far better than any TT I've heard. BTW does the beginning of this album have a slight ripple? I detected a little bit of stylus bounce. I listened very hard to see if you changed TT between tracks on both side A and B, and if you did, then I failed to detected it - blast my infernal ears! On side B which had Alex Rostotsky's "Concert in the Olympic Village" album, I believe you used your Goldring Lenco 78 because the sound is similar to my TT, I guess this is due to the fact that we are using the same brand cartridge. Graham, please reveal the truth by telling us what TT's were used on the recordings. Thanks again Graham for the test and opening my eyes and ears a little more. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes [mailto:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2002 12:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] I for one am dying to know the outcome of this little test... keep us all posted! Ed Which reminds me ... have you yet figured out which of the recordings I've made for you were on the cheap turntable and which on the more expensive one? (Ho! Ho!) [For information, guys, I've recorded a couple of LPs onto a C90 for Tom, some of the tracks having been put down with the old, slightly modified Goldring Lenco 78 with Ortofon OM40 and some with the PT TOO, OL modified/re-wired RB300 and DNM Reson Rica cartridge. Tom's task is to spot the cheap TT from the other ...] Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [ mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 03 June 2002 11:17 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Graham, Were you the DJ? Tom. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 5 12:42:08 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:42:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D027849D6@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000101c20c7d$a476f560$793f883e@a4s1s2> Hi Tom (an' all) Well, you were right about my recording all one side with one TT. However, side A was, in fact, the Goldring Lenco GL78, using the OM40! It is not, however, a bog standard GL78. It has been slightly modified. For one thing, it was fitted with a decent phono lead that I bought 2nd hand to keep costs down. It also has a heavy brass counter weight, much heavier than the bog standard one, thus forcing the mass of it closer to the pivot when the arm is balanced. (It is also balanced using that to get the correct tracking weight - thus, the extra tracking weight is not used.) The original Lenco arm, that is generally so derided, is also wrapped with strip of Sorbothane snaked and curled along it's length. Also, there is more Sorbo' on the underside of the platter, to stop it ringing too much. The TT rubber mat is replaced with my own mat. And finally, it is fed a regulated, clean main current, clear of spikes and dirty mains interference, with an almost perfect sine wave. Side B was the Pink Triangle, using a silver-wired Origin Live RB300 tone arm and DNM Reson Rica cartridge (a modified Goldring, I believe), which generally sells for around £50 more than the Ortofon OM40, I think. Also, the phono lead on the PT is Origin Live, too. The TT also has an identically regulated and cleaned mains current prior to it reaching its own PSU. For interest, I bought the PT about 10-12 years ago, 2nd hand and paid equivalent of £500 for it, including with that a bog standard RB300 and Shure VST V cartridge. I had the OLE work done later. The current DNM cartridge cost around £250. (I'm renovating the ST V - it is slightly damaged - and hope to bring it back into service.) The almost mint looking GL78 cost me £45, the phono lead about $60 and the Ortofon OM40 cost me about £200. The Sorbothane used on it cost about £12. All was recorded onto TDK SA C90 using my allegedly super-charged ZX9. (Not knowing a Anyone else want to play this game? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 04 June 2002 11:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Hi all. Well the results are in and before I begin let me say one thing, this was very hard to pick because of my extremely limited experience in mid to high end TT. To put it another way, I own a Sony PS-X555ES Biotracer linear tracking TT with an Ortofon super OM 10 MM cartridge, so the sound quality is reasonable but not great. Graham here's what I think. On side A which had Alex Rostotsky's "open your eyes you can fly" album, I feel this was played on your PT. The reason I say this is because the quality and realism of the music was far better than any TT I've heard. BTW does the beginning of this album have a slight ripple? I detected a little bit of stylus bounce. I listened very hard to see if you changed TT between tracks on both side A and B, and if you did, then I failed to detected it - blast my infernal ears! On side B which had Alex Rostotsky's "Concert in the Olympic Village" album, I believe you used your Goldring Lenco 78 because the sound is similar to my TT, I guess this is due to the fact that we are using the same brand cartridge. Graham, please reveal the truth by telling us what TT's were used on the recordings. Thanks again Graham for the test and opening my eyes and ears a little more. Tom Siomopoulos. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 6 21:56:19 2002 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:56:19 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 Message-ID: I have found out that if any Nakster out there has all 25 of the Beatles original U.S. albums that they are valued at $5000. Source: Sean Burke and Noah Rothbaum, Smart Money, April 2002. Perhaps if you don't have any Beatles albums, you may start collecting Beanie Babies and setting them on top of your Nakamichi cassette deck. All 675 Beanie Babies (authenticated) are valued at $113,000. HOW CUTE! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Klos worked at Acoustic Research in the early 1950's during the development of the AR-1, he first acoustic-suspension speaker - and thus the first able to produce deep bass from a relatively small enclosure. In the 1960's he cofounded KLH, where he developed the legendary Model 8 FM radio. He moved on to found Advent where he made the first cassette deck with Dolby B noise reduction. At Kloss video, he won an Emmy for achievements in projection technology. He founded Cambridge SoundWorks in 1988 and sold it to Creative Labs in 1997. Finally he moved on to Tivoli Audio, where he designed the Model One and other table radios now on the market. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jun 6 22:31:20 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 13:31:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 References: Message-ID: <3CFFC698.CD7DC562@earthlink.net> FYI, I purchased an unopened Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab box set of the Beatle's collection (all fourteen LPs) on auction last year for $900. I'm assuming that the original US albums collection (25 albums??) would have to be unopened and in mint condition to be worth anywhere close to $5000. What's great about MFSL is that they went through the painstaking process of capturing the original sound of the master tapes as closely as possible. I've only played the records a couple of times, and no, they aren't for sale, but hearing them was a real eye opener for me vs. listening to the original British releases. Jim Volpatti Mark Exstedt wrote: > I have found out that if any Nakster out there has all 25 of the Beatles > original U.S. albums that they are valued at $5000. > Source: Sean Burke and Noah Rothbaum, Smart Money, April 2002. > Perhaps if you don't have any Beatles albums, you may start collecting > Beanie Babies and setting them on top of your Nakamichi cassette deck. > All 675 Beanie Babies (authenticated) are valued at $113,000. > HOW CUTE! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu Jun 6 23:16:04 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:16:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 In-Reply-To: <3CFFC698.CD7DC562@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c20d9f$5eb4e5f0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Jim - $900 for a sealed Beatles box is an awesome price. What is the serial number? I'm guessing a set like that would fetch around 1500 bucks and up. John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 FYI, I purchased an unopened Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab box set of the Beatle's collection (all fourteen LPs) on auction last year for $900. I'm assuming that the original US albums collection (25 albums??) would have to be unopened and in mint condition to be worth anywhere close to $5000. What's great about MFSL is that they went through the painstaking process of capturing the original sound of the master tapes as closely as possible. I've only played the records a couple of times, and no, they aren't for sale, but hearing them was a real eye opener for me vs. listening to the original British releases. Jim Volpatti Mark Exstedt wrote: I have found out that if any Nakster out there has all 25 of the Beatles original U.S. albums that they are valued at $5000. Source: Sean Burke and Noah Rothbaum, Smart Money, April 2002. Perhaps if you don't have any Beatles albums, you may start collecting Beanie Babies and setting them on top of your Nakamichi cassette deck. All 675 Beanie Babies (authenticated) are valued at $113,000. 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URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 6 23:54:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:54:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 In-Reply-To: <000401c20d9f$5eb4e5f0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <001701c20da4$bd4e0600$3ab487d9@a4s1s2> If you like The Beatles music get a listen to the retirement CD of George Martin, their record producer, called "George Martin - My Life". Therein are a collection of 12 Beatles songs all recorded by various singers and actors producing some of the finest cover versions of Beatles music you will ever hear. Goldie Hawn's version of "Hard Day's Night" is better than the original! "Come together" by Robin Williams and Bobby McFerrin is superb as is Jim Carey's rendition of "I am the Walrus." Etc. It's a must have for any Beatles fans. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jun 7 01:42:47 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 16:42:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 References: <001701c20da4$bd4e0600$3ab487d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3CFFF376.2D45B254@earthlink.net> Funny you mention it, Graham. I don't remember why the CD caught my attention but I picked up "George Martin - My Life" at a used record shop for $6. Robin William's rendition of "Come Together" was surprising and Goldie Hawn's loungie version of "Hard Days NIght" makes me melt overtime. Of course, the production is typical George Martin. And speaking of George Martin, he remastered and re-released all of Beatle's CDs sometime in the late 80s. It's VERY interesting to compare his original thinking of the Beatles sound (the MFSL box set) against what he probably wanted them to sound like all along (his remastered CDs). Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > If you like The Beatles music get a listen to the retirement CD of > George Martin, their record producer, called "George Martin - My > Life". Therein are a collection of 12 Beatles songs all recorded by > various singers and actors producing some of the finest cover versions > of Beatles music you will ever hear. Goldie Hawn's version of "Hard > Day's Night" is better than the original! "Come together" by Robin > Williams and Bobby McFerrin is superb as is Jim Carey's rendition of > "I am the Walrus." Etc. It's a must have for any Beatles fans.Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 7 03:56:51 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 19:56:51 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough Message-ID: <03b401c20dc6$988a95a0$373442cf@sank1> Laugh & a half. See below, from the pro audio newsgroup. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rivers" Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough > > RIAA BREAKTHROUGH > > Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format: > > A Black, Plastic Disc With Grooves On It > > Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that > they hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is > thought to be costing the industry millions of dollars in lost > revenue. Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a > black, vinyl disc measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be > played on a specially designed turntable'. > > "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world > can access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We > are also confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate > copies in this format without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. > This is without doubt the best anti-piracy invention the music > industry has ever seen." > > As part of the invention's rigorous testing process,the designers gave > some discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use > file swapping software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to > pirating music CDs. Despite several days of trying, none of them were > able to hack into the disc's code or access any of the music files > contained within it. > > "It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the > testers. > > "I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? > Is it, like, from France or something?" > > Invention: Teenage computer hackers struggled to access the new disc. > > In the new format, raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by > physically etching grooves onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus > translated into variations on the disc's surface in a process that > industry insiders are describing as 'completely revolutionary' and > 'stunningly clever.' > > To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special > player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the > record surface, reading the indentations and transforming the > movements back into audio that can be fed through loudspeakers. > > Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new > format will make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen > anything like this," he told reporters. "How does it work?" > > Pirates: Their days are numbered. > > As rumours that a Taiwanese company has been secretly developing a 12 > inch wide, turntable -driven, needle-based, firewire drive remain > unconfirmed, it would appear that the music industry may, at last, > have found the pirate-proof format it has long been searching for. > > > > > > > -- > I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers at d-and-d.com) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jun 7 04:09:49 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:09:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 References: <001701c20da4$bd4e0600$3ab487d9@a4s1s2> <3CFFF376.2D45B254@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D0015EA.C0302D22@snet.net> While releasing those CD's, George Martin openly noted the difficulty he had in trying to stay true to the original sound. You could say that he had a very strong desire to go back and "fix" some of the things he would have done differently. Ed Jim Volpatti wrote: > Funny you mention it, Graham. I don't remember why the CD caught my > attention but I picked up "George Martin - My Life" at a used record > shop for $6. Robin William's rendition of "Come Together" was > surprising and Goldie Hawn's loungie version of "Hard Days NIght" > makes me melt overtime. Of course, the production is typical George > Martin. > > And speaking of George Martin, he remastered and re-released all of > Beatle's CDs sometime in the late 80s. It's VERY interesting to > compare his original thinking of the Beatles sound (the MFSL box set) > against what he probably wanted them to sound like all along (his > remastered CDs). > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > >> If you like The Beatles music get a listen to the retirement CD of >> George Martin, their record producer, called "George Martin - My >> Life". Therein are a collection of 12 Beatles songs all recorded by >> various singers and actors producing some of the finest cover >> versions of Beatles music you will ever hear. Goldie Hawn's version >> of "Hard Day's Night" is better than the original! "Come together" >> by Robin Williams and Bobby McFerrin is superb as is Jim Carey's >> rendition of "I am the Walrus." Etc. It's a must have for any >> Beatles fans.Graham > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jun 7 04:14:01 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:14:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough References: <03b401c20dc6$988a95a0$373442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3D0016E9.AA803D02@earthlink.net> Very, very funny. I'm still wiping the tears from my eyes. Thanks, Stephen! Jim Volpatti Stephen Sank wrote: > Laugh & a half. See below, from the pro audio newsgroup. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Rivers" > Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:22 PM > Subject: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough > > > > > RIAA BREAKTHROUGH > > > > Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format: > > > > A Black, Plastic Disc With Grooves On It > > > > Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that > > they hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is > > thought to be costing the industry millions of dollars in lost > > revenue. Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a > > black, vinyl disc measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be > > played on a specially designed turntable'. > > > > "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world > > can access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We > > are also confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate > > copies in this format without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. > > This is without doubt the best anti-piracy invention the music > > industry has ever seen." > > > > As part of the invention's rigorous testing process,the designers gave > > some discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use > > file swapping software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to > > pirating music CDs. Despite several days of trying, none of them were > > able to hack into the disc's code or access any of the music files > > contained within it. > > > > "It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the > > testers. > > > > "I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? > > Is it, like, from France or something?" > > > > Invention: Teenage computer hackers struggled to access the new disc. > > > > In the new format, raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by > > physically etching grooves onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus > > translated into variations on the disc's surface in a process that > > industry insiders are describing as 'completely revolutionary' and > > 'stunningly clever.' > > > > To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special > > player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the > > record surface, reading the indentations and transforming the > > movements back into audio that can be fed through loudspeakers. > > > > Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new > > format will make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen > > anything like this," he told reporters. "How does it work?" > > > > Pirates: Their days are numbered. > > > > As rumours that a Taiwanese company has been secretly developing a 12 > > inch wide, turntable -driven, needle-based, firewire drive remain > > unconfirmed, it would appear that the music industry may, at last, > > have found the pirate-proof format it has long been searching for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers at d-and-d.com) > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Jun 7 04:31:45 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 19:31:45 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 References: <001701c20da4$bd4e0600$3ab487d9@a4s1s2> <3CFFF376.2D45B254@earthlink.net> <3D0015EA.C0302D22@snet.net> Message-ID: <3D001B11.50F66CF2@earthlink.net> With the lack of technology and the quality of equipment back then, I can certainly understand why. I compared the MFSL LPs to his re-released CDs by playing them simultaneously and simply switching between the sources via remote control. He did indeed fix a hell of a lot. Jim Volpatti Ed Noyes wrote: > While releasing those CD's, George Martin openly noted the difficulty > he had in trying to stay true to the original sound. You could say > that he had a very strong desire to go back and "fix" some of the > things he would have done differently. > > Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jun 7 04:40:09 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:40:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B05@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That's a good one! Thanks Stephen. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Friday, 7 June 2002 11:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough Laugh & a half. See below, from the pro audio newsgroup. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Rivers" Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: Anti-Piracy Breakthrough > > RIAA BREAKTHROUGH > > Music Industry Unveils New Piracy-Proof Format: > > A Black, Plastic Disc With Grooves On It > > Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that > they hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is > thought to be costing the industry millions of dollars in lost > revenue. Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a > black, vinyl disc measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be > played on a specially designed turntable'. > > "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world > can access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We > are also confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate > copies in this format without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. > This is without doubt the best anti-piracy invention the music > industry has ever seen." > > As part of the invention's rigorous testing process,the designers gave > some discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use > file swapping software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to > pirating music CDs. Despite several days of trying, none of them were > able to hack into the disc's code or access any of the music files > contained within it. > > "It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the > testers. > > "I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? > Is it, like, from France or something?" > > Invention: Teenage computer hackers struggled to access the new disc. > > In the new format, raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by > physically etching grooves onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus > translated into variations on the disc's surface in a process that > industry insiders are describing as 'completely revolutionary' and > 'stunningly clever.' > > To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special > player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the > record surface, reading the indentations and transforming the > movements back into audio that can be fed through loudspeakers. > > Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new > format will make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen > anything like this," he told reporters. "How does it work?" > > Pirates: Their days are numbered. > > As rumours that a Taiwanese company has been secretly developing a 12 > inch wide, turntable -driven, needle-based, firewire drive remain > unconfirmed, it would appear that the music industry may, at last, > have found the pirate-proof format it has long been searching for. > > > > > > > -- > I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers at d-and-d.com) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jun 7 14:17:09 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:17:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 References: <3CFFC698.CD7DC562@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001f01c20e1d$3f982050$4e756acf@johnnyrotten> I found the same thing with their UK EMI reel to reel tapes. While only running at 3.75 ips. the early Mono tapes are very revealing! John ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 FYI, I purchased an unopened Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab box set of the Beatle's collection (all fourteen LPs) on auction last year for $900. I'm assuming that the original US albums collection (25 albums??) would have to be unopened and in mint condition to be worth anywhere close to $5000. What's great about MFSL is that they went through the painstaking process of capturing the original sound of the master tapes as closely as possible. I've only played the records a couple of times, and no, they aren't for sale, but hearing them was a real eye opener for me vs. listening to the original British releases. Jim Volpatti Mark Exstedt wrote: I have found out that if any Nakster out there has all 25 of the Beatles original U.S. albums that they are valued at $5000. Source: Sean Burke and Noah Rothbaum, Smart Money, April 2002. Perhaps if you don't have any Beatles albums, you may start collecting Beanie Babies and setting them on top of your Nakamichi cassette deck. All 675 Beanie Babies (authenticated) are valued at $113,000. HOW CUTE! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jun 7 21:37:08 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 20:37:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? In-Reply-To: <3CFFF376.2D45B254@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001501c20e5a$b5d9f1c0$21ca87d9@a4s1s2> Guys, I got this in the e-mail. Don't know if it works but it's claimed this was recently featured in PC World magazine. Thought it appropriate to share with you all given the problems we've had with virus attacks in the past: Graham As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads straight for your email address book and sends itself to everyone in there, thus infecting all your friends and associates. This trick won't keep the virus from getting into your computer, but it will stop it from using your address book to spread further, and it will alert you to the fact that the worm has gotten into your system. Here's what you do: First: Open your address book and click on "new contact" or "new person" just as you would do if you were adding a new friend to your list of Email addresses. Second: In the window where you would type your friend's FIRST name, type in !000 (THAT'S AN EXCLAMATION MARK FOLLOWED BY 3 ZEROS). In the window below where it prompts you to enter the new email address, type in Worm at alert Third: Then complete everything by clicking add, enter, OK, etc. Now, here's what you've done and why it works: The "name" !000 will be placed at the top of your address book as entry #1. This will be where the worm will start in an effort to send itself to all your friends. But when it tries to send itself to !000, it will be undeliverable because of the phony email address you entered. If the first attempt fails (which it will because of the phony address), the worm goes no further and your friends will not be infected. Here's the second great advantage of this method: If an email cannot be delivered, you will be notified of this in your In Box almost immediately. Hence, if you ever get an email telling you that an email addressed to Worm at alert could not be delivered, you know right away that you have the worm virus in your system. You can then take steps to get rid of it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 29/05/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Jun 7 22:08:59 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:08:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? References: <001501c20e5a$b5d9f1c0$21ca87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002801c20e5f$290e7310$3db5b742@pii366custom> This is a clever trick that will work for some worms but not others. It will work for Outlook 98/2000/2002 and Outlook Express. Owners of Netscape Mail, Eudora or Hotmail or any other web-based e-mail program need not worry. Worms generally don't have the programming to attack non-Outlook programs, though that could change if new worms were released to target those applications. First a little background. A worm is a kind of computer virus that spreads by exploiting network connections. It uses the Internet or connections to a home or office network to spread itself. Classic examples of these are worms like Melissa or The Love Bug, which spread by e-mailing copies of themselves via the Internet to people in your e-mail address book through Microsoft Outlook or Outlook Express. Here's the trick the reader is referring to thwart some of these worms. Open your e-mail address book and click on "new contact" just as you would do if you were adding a new pal or colleague to your list of e-mail addresses. In the field where you normally type your friend's first name, type !000 (that's an exclamation mark followed by 3 zeros). Where it prompts you to enter an e-mail address, type in WormAlert. Then save it by clicking OK. Now if you look in your e-mail address list the first item will show up as "!000". When a worm tries to use your e-mail address list to spread itself to your contacts, it will fail because "WormAlert", the fake e-mail address, is invalid. The worm then halts its nasty business. The other useful feature of this trick is that when an e-mail can't be delivered, you're-mail program alerts you by default. So if you ever get an alert saying you that an e-mail addressed to "WormAlert" cannot be delivered, you know that a worm has infected your computer and you can remedy it by updating your anti-virus program with the latest signature file (downloaded from your anti-virus program maker's Web site). So does this trick work all the time? The answer is no. I checked with Symantec, makers of Norton AntiVirus, and they say that this will work to block e-mail worms that work their way through the address book starting at the first entry and working down the list. These include Melissa and the LoveBug. The trick would not work with worms that select random e-mail addresses from an address book, unless of course in the random address selection process the !000 entry is chosen. It would also fail to work with parasitic worms, which piggyback themselves onto valid e-mail messages that you send out. Worms that have their own built in e-mail mechanisms would also fail to work, as they don't use a your computer's e-mail program to send themselves. They have their own outbound e-mail program built into the virus programming. Both SirCam and Nimba use this infection method. My Symantec expert said there also one other downside to using the !000 trick. If you send mail out to everyone in your address book, you'll be tripped up by the same error message the worm would be fooled by. Of course, it's a handy trick that may help detect some worms. However the usual advice stands. Make sure that you have an anti-virus program installed on your computer and that the signature files that identify new worms and viruses are downloaded regularly to your computer. Software industry statistics show that six out of every 10 computers don't have anti-virus programs installed. -Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Sat Jun 8 00:59:46 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John Gradowski) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 15:59:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? References: <001501c20e5a$b5d9f1c0$21ca87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002201c20e77$05380650$5528cd3f@baboonasqthsvj> Check out the link below. John. http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=99213 ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? Guys, I got this in the e-mail. Don't know if it works but it's claimed this was recently featured in PC World magazine. Thought it appropriate to share with you all given the problems we've had with virus attacks in the past: Graham As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads straight for your email address book and sends itself to everyone in there, thus infecting all your friends and associates. This trick won't keep the virus from getting into your computer, but it will stop it from using your address book to spread further, and it will alert you to the fact that the worm has gotten into your system. Here's what you do: First: Open your address book and click on "new contact" or "new person" just as you would do if you were adding a new friend to your list of Email addresses. Second: In the window where you would type your friend's FIRST name, type in !000 (THAT'S AN EXCLAMATION MARK FOLLOWED BY 3 ZEROS). In the window below where it prompts you to enter the new email address, type in Worm at alert Third: Then complete everything by clicking add, enter, OK, etc. Now, here's what you've done and why it works: The "name" !000 will be placed at the top of your address book as entry #1. This will be where the worm will start in an effort to send itself to all your friends. But when it tries to send itself to !000, it will be undeliverable because of the phony email address you entered. If the first attempt fails (which it will because of the phony address), the worm goes no further and your friends will not be infected. Here's the second great advantage of this method: If an email cannot be delivered, you will be notified of this in your In Box almost immediately. Hence, if you ever get an email telling you that an email addressed to Worm at alert could not be delivered, you know right away that you have the worm virus in your system. You can then take steps to get rid of it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 8 01:31:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:31:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem In-Reply-To: <002201c20e77$05380650$5528cd3f@baboonasqthsvj> Message-ID: <000101c20e7b$6e1a9f80$b9ad87d9@a4s1s2> Help! Anyone offer advice? My PC won't print to the printer. The print goes to the spool manager, the printer says "Idle" and the file is "Queued". Anyone know what's up? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jun 8 07:01:21 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:01:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Where's Carlos??? Message-ID: I've been having difficulty reaching Carlos the Tape Man directly to his email address in Puerto Rico. Has anyone else been successfully in-touch with Carlos this week? I'm wondering about the Marathon Tape project, getting that moving forward. Let me know if you have news of Carlos and his whereabouts. Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jun 8 07:24:09 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 22:24:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 Message-ID: Greetings to my NakTalking friends!!! Nak ZX7 and ZX9, I'm doing some analysis between the two, and learning more about the detail differences. Much of what these decks are composed is identical, but there are significant differences. Like the ZX9 has a beefed-up circuitry, gold plating for connectors, and those excellent direct drive motor dual capstans in the cassette transport system. Overall performance specs are similar, with the ZX9 slightly superior in several instances. Do other NakTalkers have insights comparing these two very well regarded Nak decks from the early 1980s? Best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sat Jun 8 09:32:22 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 08:32:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem In-Reply-To: <000101c20e7b$6e1a9f80$b9ad87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000601c20ebe$a5bdce10$41e687d9@JAS> Hi Graham Other than the obvious things like trying other cables and ensuring that the printer has paper, try going to the printer control panel and ensure that 'pause printing' isn't ticked under the 'printer' tab. I found this on my mother's computer only last week after she had an identical symptom. Best Regards Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 08 June 2002 00:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem Help! Anyone offer advice? My PC won't print to the printer. The print goes to the spool manager, the printer says "Idle" and the file is "Queued". Anyone know what's up? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Sat Jun 8 12:05:45 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 06:05:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks Message-ID: <3D01D6F9.8B60617F@warwick.net> Hi everyone, I'm currently keeping an eye on eBay in search of another Nak. I notice that 680s and various forms of 681s are rather common, as well as MR-1s and the occassional Dragon. The Dragon would be great, but is a little rich for my blood right now, as I'm also about to spend mucho frogskins on a new computer. Does anyone have any opinions on what would be a good machine to 'shop' for, and also any experience/opinion on the MR-1 in particular? It looks to be a great machine, as do the 680 or 681. Also, does anyone have any experience with tinkering with various machines to be able to adjust the playback azimuth? The newer machines I have, the DR8 and DR10 have some kind of epoxy or something 'smeared' on the adjustment screw to keep it locked in place. Anyone ever try to 'unlock' this adjustment screw, and if so, what method worked for you? Bill Wheatley ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Jun 8 15:31:11 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:31:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 References: Message-ID: <003601c20ef0$c1e6bf20$9b021fac@brianm> Hey KJ, FWIW, I have an old e-mail from Jeffrey Galin where I was asking him some questions about the two, here are some comments. The ZX-9 has a brushless direct drive motor and the ZX-7 has a Brush type D.C. motor that is belt driven. The printing on the front of the ZX-9 is gold and the ZX-7 is white. The ZX-9 has hand selected, quality controlled, electronic components and each deck was individually factory tweaked Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 > Greetings to my NakTalking friends!!! > > Nak ZX7 and ZX9, I'm doing some analysis between the two, and learning more about the detail differences. Much of what these decks are composed is identical, but there are significant differences. Like the ZX9 has a beefed-up circuitry, gold plating for connectors, and those excellent direct drive motor dual capstans in the cassette transport system. Overall performance specs are similar, with the ZX9 slightly superior in several instances. > > Do other NakTalkers have insights comparing these two very well regarded Nak decks from the early 1980s? > > Best regards, > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, WI USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From suedbahntom at gmx.net Sat Jun 8 16:54:43 2002 From: suedbahntom at gmx.net (Thomas Fischer) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:54:43 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 References: <003601c20ef0$c1e6bf20$9b021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <32695.1023548083@www42.gmx.net> >hallo naktalkers, I´ve found an old testprint from the zx9-machine(stereoplay3/1983). the technical leader from nakamichi germany of those days explained that the wow and flutter improvemt is by factor 2 (concerning zx7). grüße, Thomas. Hey KJ, > > FWIW, I have an old e-mail from Jeffrey Galin where I was asking him some > questions about the two, here are some comments. > > The ZX-9 has a brushless direct drive motor and the ZX-7 has a Brush type > D.C. motor that is belt driven. The printing on the front of the ZX-9 is > gold and the ZX-7 is white. The ZX-9 has hand selected, quality > controlled, > electronic components and each deck was individually factory tweaked > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 1:24 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 > > > > Greetings to my NakTalking friends!!! > > > > Nak ZX7 and ZX9, I'm doing some analysis between the two, and learning > more about the detail differences. Much of what these decks are composed > is > identical, but there are significant differences. Like the ZX9 has a > beefed-up circuitry, gold plating for connectors, and those excellent > direct > drive motor dual capstans in the cassette transport system. Overall > performance specs are similar, with the ZX9 slightly superior in several > instances. > > > > Do other NakTalkers have insights comparing these two very well regarded > Nak decks from the early 1980s? > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, WI USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 8 18:44:54 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:44:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? References: <001501c20e5a$b5d9f1c0$21ca87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3D023486.817961C2@rcn.com> The trick assumes the worm will obligingly stop once a send error occurs. This may be true, but certainly, not for all worms. Probably, not for most. -- Ron -------------------------------------------------------- ---Original message ------- Guys, I got this in the e-mail. Don't know if it works but it's claimed this was recently featured in PC World magazine. Thought it appropriate to share with you all given the problems we've had with virus attacks in the past: Graham As you may know, when/if a worm virus gets into your computer it heads straight for your email address book and sends itself to everyone in there, thus infecting all your friends and associates. This trick won't keep the virus from getting into your computer, but it will stop it from using your address book to spread further, and it will alert you to the fact that the worm has gotten into your system. Here's what you do: First: Open your address book and click on "new contact" or "new person" just as you would do if you were adding a new friend to your list of Email addresses. Second: In the window where you would type your friend's FIRST name, type in !000 (THAT'S AN EXCLAMATION MARK FOLLOWED BY 3 ZEROS). In the window below where it prompts you to enter the new email address, type in Worm at alert Third: Then complete everything by clicking add, enter, OK, etc. Now, here's what you've done and why it works: The "name" !000 will be placed at the top of your address book as entry #1. This will be where the worm will start in an effort to send itself to all your friends. But when it tries to send itself to !000, it will be undeliverable because of the phony email address you entered. If the first attempt fails (which it will because of the phony address), the worm goes no further and your friends will not be infected. Here's the second great advantage of this method: If an email cannot be delivered, you will be notified of this in your In Box almost immediately. Hence, if you ever get an email telling you that an email addressed to Worm at alert could not be delivered, you know right away that you have the worm virus in your system. You can then take steps to get rid of it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 8 18:58:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:58:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? In-Reply-To: <3D023486.817961C2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002401c20f0d$b94518e0$c19987d9@a4s1s2> Hi Ron Yes, I have since read that that is correct - it works for some worms but not for most. Still, if it works for some that's helpful, I suppose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: 08 June 2002 05:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: protection against spreading viruses? The trick assumes the worm will obligingly stop once a send error occurs. This may be true, but certainly, not for all worms. Probably, not for most. -- Ron --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 8 20:28:32 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:28:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 References: Message-ID: <004001c20f1a$4b487000$13f63fd0@oemcomputer> While thats true finding the originals would be hard indian 78's of beatles singles can go for over $1000.00 each and a complete original uk collection mono lp's, ep's and 45's would be worth vastly more than $5000.00 as for the mofi set its interesting but the uk originals sound much better. The mofi stuff is tipped up in the treble to much. but they are valuable and Jim got a good deal. Its important to rememeber that the beatles spent more time on the mono mixes than the stereo mixes. the mono's are the ones to have. my two cents Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Exstedt" To: Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Beatles Albums are worth $5000 > I have found out that if any Nakster out there has all 25 of the Beatles > original U.S. albums that they are valued at $5000. > Source: Sean Burke and Noah Rothbaum, Smart Money, April 2002. > Perhaps if you don't have any Beatles albums, you may start collecting > Beanie Babies and setting them on top of your Nakamichi cassette deck. > All 675 Beanie Babies (authenticated) are valued at $113,000. > HOW CUTE! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Jun 8 20:29:58 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:29:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] hafler dh500 References: <3CF7B194.7974BFE9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <005001c20f1a$7f038a60$13f63fd0@oemcomputer> I was given this amp is it worth modifying to use as a sub amp or should I dump it on ebay? The fan comes on after 10 minutes is this normal? Thanks in advance Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 8 22:01:23 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:01:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 References: <003601c20ef0$c1e6bf20$9b021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <018101c20f27$44eb2ec0$ae3442cf@sank1> The d.d. cap motor is the only meaningful difference between the ZX-9 & 7. Any "hand selecting" of components, if that in fact was done with the ZX-9(and which I see no evidence of in the actual decks), would have been an advantage that evaporated with age(esp. if referring to "hand selecting" bloody orange film caps!), due to normal component value drift over time & temperature cycles. As for the w/f difference, we're talking abuot the difference between 0.025% & 0.012%, and I firmly believe this would be audible only in comparing two very much upgraded(esp. reducing the 23ft of 2-chan signal wire!!) ZX decks. So, ZX-7 owners, in my opinion, should not bother with aspirations for a ZX-9. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 > Hey KJ, > > FWIW, I have an old e-mail from Jeffrey Galin where I was asking him some > questions about the two, here are some comments. > > The ZX-9 has a brushless direct drive motor and the ZX-7 has a Brush type > D.C. motor that is belt driven. The printing on the front of the ZX-9 is > gold and the ZX-7 is white. The ZX-9 has hand selected, quality controlled, > electronic components and each deck was individually factory tweaked > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 1:24 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak ZX7 & ZX9 > > > > Greetings to my NakTalking friends!!! > > > > Nak ZX7 and ZX9, I'm doing some analysis between the two, and learning > more about the detail differences. Much of what these decks are composed is > identical, but there are significant differences. Like the ZX9 has a > beefed-up circuitry, gold plating for connectors, and those excellent direct > drive motor dual capstans in the cassette transport system. Overall > performance specs are similar, with the ZX9 slightly superior in several > instances. > > > > Do other NakTalkers have insights comparing these two very well regarded > Nak decks from the early 1980s? > > > > Best regards, > > > > K.J. Bleus > > Madison, WI USA > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 8 22:03:35 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:03:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] hafler dh500 References: <3CF7B194.7974BFE9@rcn.com> <005001c20f1a$7f038a60$13f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <018901c20f27$9310fb20$ae3442cf@sank1> I think the DH500 is one of the best choices you could make for a sub, without spending a whole lot more money. The fan is thermally activated, so doesn't come on until the amp gets warm, and goes faster the hotter the amp gets. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] hafler dh500 > I was given this amp is it worth modifying to use as a sub amp > or should I dump it on ebay? > The fan comes on after 10 minutes is this normal? > Thanks in advance > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 8 22:08:14 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 14:08:14 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks References: <3D01D6F9.8B60617F@warwick.net> Message-ID: <019101c20f28$3967af00$ae3442cf@sank1> The best choice would be to get either a CR-7(after ser#A130-11000) or, on a tighter budget, a Cassette Deck 1. Both have a user control for pb azimuth that has a positive center position for reference azimuth. And the CR-7, of course, is the best sounding stock Nak ever, IMO. The Cass Deck 1 is quite close to the DR-10, but with the az control &, reputedly, better sound. Not in the same league as the CR-7, but not too far off, and usually under $300 on the used market. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 4:05 AM Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks > Hi everyone, > I'm currently keeping an eye on eBay in search of another Nak. I > notice that 680s and various forms of 681s are rather common, as well as > MR-1s and the occassional Dragon. The Dragon would be great, but is a > little rich for my blood right now, as I'm also about to spend mucho > frogskins on a new computer. > Does anyone have any opinions on what would be a good machine to > 'shop' for, and also any experience/opinion on the MR-1 in particular? > It looks to be a great machine, as do the 680 or 681. > Also, does anyone have any experience with tinkering with various > machines to be able to adjust the playback azimuth? The newer machines > I have, the DR8 and DR10 have some kind of epoxy or something 'smeared' > on the adjustment screw to keep it locked in place. Anyone ever try to > 'unlock' this adjustment screw, and if so, what method worked for you? > Bill Wheatley > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Jun 8 22:51:38 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 13:51:38 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Freeze Up? In-Reply-To: <019101c20f28$3967af00$ae3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <000801c20f2e$4977dea0$0201000a@attbi.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358169798 I'm not a Nak expert, but is this ad comment true? "These pieces are visually in perfect condition, no dents, missing paint, etc. But since they really haven't been used the mechanisms have locked up. Last time I took them into the dealer they said these tend to freeze up if you don't use them at least once a week ... now they haven't been used for 4 or 5 years. before that, they haven't been used much since the late 80's." Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 9 00:01:03 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 16:01:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Naks Freeze Up? References: <000801c20f2e$4977dea0$0201000a@attbi.com> Message-ID: <020901c20f37$fc514e40$ae3442cf@sank1> The RX505, which has a real Nak mechanism, is prone to grease seizure on the pinch roller arm pivot shafts, which will be hastened by non-use. Of course, equally likely is that the mode drive belt is simply slipping, or the reel drive idler(the big fat one that is usually not problematic) needs cleaning. In any case, no big deal. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike deVera" To: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks Freeze Up? > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1358169798 > > I'm not a Nak expert, but is this ad comment true? > > "These pieces are visually in perfect condition, no dents, missing paint, > etc. But since they really haven't been used the mechanisms have locked up. > > Last time I took them into the dealer they said these tend to freeze up if > you don't use them at least once a week ... now they haven't been used for 4 > or 5 years. before that, they haven't been used much since the late 80's." > > Mike > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Sun Jun 9 03:32:05 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 21:32:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 ? Message-ID: <3D02B015.83F9DA4A@warwick.net> Thanks to Stephen and Scott for the feedback on CR-7, Cassette Deck-1 and the BX-300. The DR-1 also has a manual playback azimuth adjustment, but I've heard through a friend that there may be problems with the DR-1, but he didn't have any specifics- he'd just heard it through the 'grapevine'. Has anyone heard of, or had any problems with the DR-1? Bill Wheatley ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Jun 9 03:43:04 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 02:43:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks Message-ID: <3D059B83@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hello Stephen--you must be having a quiet spell as you havn`t appeared much on Naktalk lately! Anyways your comment on the CR7 do you think it is better than the ZX7 or ZX9 as I have had a few (CR7`s) (new) and they vary quite a lot and i`m thinking of looking for a ZX7 orZX9 Fred ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >The best choice would be to get either a CR-7(after ser#A130-11000) or, on a >tighter budget, a Cassette Deck 1. Both have a user control for pb azimuth >that has a positive center position for reference azimuth. And the CR-7, of >course, is the best sounding stock Nak ever, IMO. The Cass Deck 1 is quite >close to the DR-10, but with the az control &, reputedly, better sound. Not >in the same league as the CR-7, but not too far off, and usually under $300 >on the used market. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Bill Wheatley" >To: "Naktalk" >Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 4:05 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks > > >> Hi everyone, >> I'm currently keeping an eye on eBay in search of another Nak. I >> notice that 680s and various forms of 681s are rather common, as well as >> MR-1s and the occassional Dragon. The Dragon would be great, but is a >> little rich for my blood right now, as I'm also about to spend mucho >> frogskins on a new computer. >> Does anyone have any opinions on what would be a good machine to >> 'shop' for, and also any experience/opinion on the MR-1 in particular? >> It looks to be a great machine, as do the 680 or 681. >> Also, does anyone have any experience with tinkering with various >> machines to be able to adjust the playback azimuth? The newer machines >> I have, the DR8 and DR10 have some kind of epoxy or something 'smeared' >> on the adjustment screw to keep it locked in place. Anyone ever try to >> 'unlock' this adjustment screw, and if so, what method worked for you? >> Bill Wheatley >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 9 04:18:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:18:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks References: <3D059B83@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <022401c20f5b$fbbe79c0$ae3442cf@sank1> As long as it's a properly tuned, late model or corrected CR-7, it should sound better than the ZX decks. It certainly sounds more transparent than the Dragon. And the meters are tied with the 1000ZXL's for best meters ever, IMO. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks > >Hello Stephen--you must be having a quiet spell as you havn`t appeared much > on Naktalk lately! Anyways your comment on the CR7 do you think it is better > than the ZX7 or ZX9 as I have had a few (CR7`s) (new) and they vary quite a > lot and i`m thinking of looking for a ZX7 orZX9 > > Fred > > > ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== > >The best choice would be to get either a CR-7(after ser#A130-11000) or, on a > >tighter budget, a Cassette Deck 1. Both have a user control for pb azimuth > >that has a positive center position for reference azimuth. And the CR-7, of > >course, is the best sounding stock Nak ever, IMO. The Cass Deck 1 is quite > >close to the DR-10, but with the az control &, reputedly, better sound. Not > >in the same league as the CR-7, but not too far off, and usually under $300 > >on the used market. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Bill Wheatley" > >To: "Naktalk" > >Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 4:05 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Questions about various Naks > > > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> I'm currently keeping an eye on eBay in search of another Nak. I > >> notice that 680s and various forms of 681s are rather common, as well as > >> MR-1s and the occassional Dragon. The Dragon would be great, but is a > >> little rich for my blood right now, as I'm also about to spend mucho > >> frogskins on a new computer. > >> Does anyone have any opinions on what would be a good machine to > >> 'shop' for, and also any experience/opinion on the MR-1 in particular? > >> It looks to be a great machine, as do the 680 or 681. > >> Also, does anyone have any experience with tinkering with various > >> machines to be able to adjust the playback azimuth? The newer machines > >> I have, the DR8 and DR10 have some kind of epoxy or something 'smeared' > >> on the adjustment screw to keep it locked in place. Anyone ever try to > >> 'unlock' this adjustment screw, and if so, what method worked for you? > >> Bill Wheatley > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 9 04:20:29 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 20:20:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 ? References: <3D02B015.83F9DA4A@warwick.net> Message-ID: <022a01c20f5c$3a3ed780$ae3442cf@sank1> The DR-1 is merely a repackaged Cass Deck 1. I had forgotten that it also has the azimuth control. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] DR-1 ? > Thanks to Stephen and Scott for the feedback on CR-7, Cassette Deck-1 > and the BX-300. > The DR-1 also has a manual playback azimuth adjustment, but I've > heard through a friend that there may be problems with the DR-1, but he > didn't have any specifics- he'd just heard it through the 'grapevine'. > Has anyone heard of, or had any problems with the DR-1? > Bill Wheatley > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 9 16:02:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:02:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: record cleaning solution In-Reply-To: <3D059B83@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c20fbe$5850fa20$849087d9@a4s1s2> I was asked to share the solution mix that I have used ... which I had temporarily lost. This is it: 4 parts distilled water (purified is an acceptable alternative - I also sometimes use the melted ice from inside the freezer walls) 1 part Isopropyl Alcohol Photographic wetting agent, as per instructions on the bottle It is also recommended NOT to use a mix with the Iso for cleaning Shellac as this apparently damages the surface of the old 78s. Graham - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From oaw at crossriver.net Sun Jun 9 22:19:30 2002 From: oaw at crossriver.net (oaw at crossriver.net) Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 16:19:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial Number Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020609161807.00ace530@mail-hub.optonline.net> What is the significance of CR-7(after ser#A130-11000) ?? OAW ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sun Jun 9 23:02:22 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 14:02:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial Number In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020609161807.00ace530@mail-hub.optonline.net> Message-ID: <000501c20ff8$f3791520$0201000a@attbi.com> Any number below that s/n will require a gear update (more-likely). -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of oaw at crossriver.net Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 1:20 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial Number What is the significance of CR-7(after ser#A130-11000) ?? OAW ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 9 23:56:17 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 15:56:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial Number References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020609161807.00ace530@mail-hub.optonline.net> Message-ID: <028601c21000$7c4c1300$ae3442cf@sank1> Below that serial #, or at least below 10500, the gear upgrade is likely to be needed(if it hasn't been done), and below A130-08677, both the gear upgrade & the record eq correction modification procedures would be needed. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Serial Number > What is the significance of CR-7(after ser#A130-11000) ?? > > OAW > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Jun 10 00:14:32 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:14:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Please, 700zxl Manual needed In-Reply-To: <028601c21000$7c4c1300$ae3442cf@sank1> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020609161807.00ace530@mail-hub.optonline.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020610000930.009fa7b0@box.tin.it> Dears, I am a newcomer on this list . I have bought a 700zxl , but the second hand unit is missing the Operating Guide / Owner Guide . Please, any good soul has a PDF Acrobat file with the manual ? Or a paper copy to be xeroxed ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jun 11 03:38:30 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:38:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B07@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Gra' If your using the Windows operating system check to see if the printer spooler is in the "pause printing" mode. You can check this by right clicking on the printer (after you have opened the printer folder first) and see if there is a tick next to pause printing. If you are using Windows 9x and are confident enough, try re-booting the OS and by-pass the booting stage by pressing F8 after your pc has completed its self test (P.O.S.T.) From there select from the menu the option to bypass Windows and pop into MS-DOS prompt. It's from here that you can test the printer, have the printer ready and online and punch in DIR > LPT1. This function will output the directory of your boot drive (Drive C:) out to your printer via LPT1 - the printer port. What OS & printer are you using? Regard Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2002 9:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem Help! Anyone offer advice? My PC won't print to the printer. The print goes to the spool manager, the printer says "Idle" and the file is "Queued". Anyone know what's up? Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Jun 12 20:12:54 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (Norman van Wijnen) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:12:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape Message-ID: <000001c2123c$c62ed190$835c33d5@cc132114a> Hello Naktalkers, I have seen a BX300 tapedeck with is defect for 25 dollar. The problem is that the tape after playing 70% of the tape stops playing. The store who wants to repair this deck told the customer that the motor(s) are defective and need replacement. Well I found that story strange because I thought that the BX300 is direct drive. A couple of questions about the BX300. Is a BX300 direct drive or belt driven?? Can you compare a BX300 with a ZX7 tapedeck? Is it based on the older naks or on the new one's (BX1, BX100 etc)? Are there known problems with de motor(s) from the BX300 and what could be the reason that the unit stops after playing 70% of the tape? Thanks Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jun 12 20:30:10 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:30:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape References: <000001c2123c$c62ed190$835c33d5@cc132114a> Message-ID: <3D079330.D2E831F6@snet.net> The short answer... BUY IT! It's a 99% chance that there's nothing wrong beyond the rubber idler which is literally a 15 minute repair for someone with no experience. Even if there was a motor problem, they are not difficult to overhaul at all. Ed Norman van Wijnen wrote: > HelloNaktalkers, > > I have seen a BX300 tapedeck with is defect for 25 dollar. The problem > is that the tape after playing 70% of the tape stops playing. The > store who wants to repair this deck told the customer that the > motor(s) are defective and need replacement. > > Well I found that story strange because I thought that the BX300 is > direct drive. > > A couple of questions about the BX300. > > Is a BX300 direct drive or belt driven?? > > Can you compare a BX300 with a ZX7 tapedeck? Is it based on the > older naks or on the new oneís (BX1, BX100 etc)? > > Are there known problems with de motor(s) from the BX300 and what > could be the reason that the unit stops after playing 70% of the tape? > > Thanks > > Norman > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jun 13 00:30:20 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:30:20 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B19@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Norman, I would buy it, that is a bargain. The problem would be the idler wheel that drives the reels, rather cheap and easy fix. I own a BX-300 & a ZX-9, here's how I compare the two. The BX300 that I have has the gear upgrade done to it so I'm lucky in that I will never have the problem of the machine stopping midway of the tape. The sound quality is....well it's a Nak, need I say more. But compared to the ZX9 it's a tiny weeny less "natural". In terms of reliability I must say that my BX300 out performed the ZX9. I've owned the BX300 since 1988 and have used it quite a lot, it never missed a beat - the most reliable piece of equipment I've ever owned. The ZX9 has had two problems with it but thanks to Mr Sank I solved them both (faults were caused by those stupid orange caps!) -----Original Message----- From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at home.nl] Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 4:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape Hello Naktalkers, I have seen a BX300 tapedeck with is defect for 25 dollar. The problem is that the tape after playing 70% of the tape stops playing. The store who wants to repair this deck told the customer that the motor(s) are defective and need replacement. Well I found that story strange because I thought that the BX300 is direct drive. A couple of questions about the BX300. Is a BX300 direct drive or belt driven?? Can you compare a BX300 with a ZX7 tapedeck? Is it based on the older naks or on the new one's (BX1, BX100 etc)? Are there known problems with de motor(s) from the BX300 and what could be the reason that the unit stops after playing 70% of the tape? Thanks Norman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Jun 13 16:42:46 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:42:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... Message-ID: I've been discussing Nakamichi decks with a friend here in Madison, Wisc, and the issue of when Nakamichi began subcontracting manufacture of some deck models is a challenging debate. Does anyone have a concise chronology that identifies which decks were manufactured in Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, other countries? This would be a good addition for Wouter's webpages. Thanks for any info you can provide! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 13 16:28:46 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:28:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B19@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000001c212f1$98cbb320$9a299bca@smarzuki> Norman, If you still haven't gone back to the shop yet ... i agree with both gentlemen that the BX is a buy, sounds like it has a simple idler rubber problem. I have encountered one faulty BX motor but that most likely came from an adventurous local technician who torn apart the motor instead of replacing the rubber. Soundwise i think BX300 is a more neutral sounding deck, compared to ZX which has more bass (or old Nak's 'warmth') or to CR3/4s which sounded 'thin'. I also checked rec-pb FR graph where zx is a bit tilted upside on low freq and cr is the other way around (probably due to sony dolby chip). Its 1V output also matches that of zx's rather than low output newer decks. One thing i don't like is BX's internal messy layout with cables going from north to south, but unlike CR3/4 at least there's a place for OP275 upgrade. For the price i consider used BX300s as the best pb deck (no built in calibration facility) for the buck. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 5:30 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape Hi Norman, I would buy it, that is a bargain. The problem would be the idler wheel that drives the reels, rather cheap and easy fix. I own a BX-300 & a ZX-9, here's how I compare the two. The BX300 that I have has the gear upgrade done to it so I'm lucky in that I will never have the problem of the machine stopping midway of the tape. The sound quality is....well it's a Nak, need I say more. But compared to the ZX9 it's a tiny weeny less "natural". In terms of reliability I must say that my BX300 out performed the ZX9. I've owned the BX300 since 1988 and have used it quite a lot, it never missed a beat - the most reliable piece of equipment I've ever owned. The ZX9 has had two problems with it but thanks to Mr Sank I solved them both (faults were caused by those stupid orange caps!) -----Original Message----- From: Norman van Wijnen [mailto:n.van.wijnen at home.nl] Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 4:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX300 stops after playing 70% of the tape Hello Naktalkers, I have seen a BX300 tapedeck with is defect for 25 dollar. The problem is that the tape after playing 70% of the -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 13 17:59:53 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:59:53 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... References: Message-ID: <000801c212f3$5b9a7fc0$9a299bca@smarzuki> Hi K.J., As i recall from the list long time ago that from Cass Deck series onward is made in taiwan. However both my Cass Deck 1 and CD Player 3 (same casing design) were still made in Japan. So i'd guess it starts from DR series - just like RE-1 receiver and MB2 cd player. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... I've been discussing Nakamichi decks with a friend here in Madison, Wisc, and the issue of when Nakamichi began subcontracting manufacture of some deck models is a challenging debate. Does anyone have a concise chronology that identifies which decks were manufactured in Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, other countries? This would be a good addition for Wouter's webpages. Thanks for any info you can provide! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Jun 13 18:43:33 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:43:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... References: <000801c212f3$5b9a7fc0$9a299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000d01c212f9$74cffe60$3db5b742@pii366custom> I had a DR-3 made in Japan and a DR-2 made in Taiwan Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 13 20:15:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:15:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B07@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000901c21306$4c9d3d60$849c87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Tom. I had already checked the spooler but I'll now try LPT1 via DOS, as you suggest. (It's Windows 98 V2, by the way, with an Epsom Stylus 200.) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 11 June 2002 02:39 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem Hi Gra' If your using the Windows operating system check to see if the printer spooler is in the "pause printing" mode. You can check this by right clicking on the printer (after you have opened the printer folder first) and see if there is a tick next to pause printing. If you are using Windows 9x and are confident enough, try re-booting the OS and by-pass the booting stage by pressing F8 after your pc has completed its self test (P.O.S.T.) >From there select from the menu the option to bypass Windows and pop into MS-DOS prompt. It's from here that you can test the printer, have the printer ready and online and punch in DIR > LPT1. This function will output the directory of your boot drive (Drive C:) out to your printer via LPT1 - the printer port. What OS & printer are you using? Regard Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 8 June 2002 9:31 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Printer problem Help! Anyone offer advice? My PC won't print to the printer. The print goes to the spool manager, the printer says "Idle" and the file is "Queued". Anyone know what's up? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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URL: From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Jun 15 22:40:45 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:40:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Message-ID: <20020615.164849.-378027.0.josephj69@juno.com> Guys, I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - maybe not. Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big Feet"? I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is prohibitive. Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if the price is low. Any suggestions? Thanks, Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 15 23:40:05 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:40:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute In-Reply-To: <20020615.164849.-378027.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <000301c214b5$36401280$6b9787d9@a4s1s2> Joe Have a look at http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/product.html You can buy Sorbothane sheet 150x150x3mm for c. $19.50 (to make your own feet) or a pack of 12 isolation feet for about $27, delivered. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 15 June 2002 09:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Guys, I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - maybe not. Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big Feet"? I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is prohibitive. Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if the price is low. Any suggestions? Thanks, Joe --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 15 23:48:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:48:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute In-Reply-To: <20020615.164849.-378027.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <000401c214b6$605ce7e0$6b9787d9@a4s1s2> Guys I just read that "olecranon" is often used in foot care as a low cost substitute for Sorbothane ... may be this stuff can be used for isolating hi fi?? Anyone used the stuff ... if only under their feet?!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 15 June 2002 09:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Guys, I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - maybe not. Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big Feet"? I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is prohibitive. Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if the price is low. Any suggestions? Thanks, Joe --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 15 23:52:06 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:52:06 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Erratum Message-ID: <000501c214b6$e4230960$6b9787d9@a4s1s2> Oooops! I meant "olecranon pads" !!! Take the previous e-mail literally and we'll be grave digging to get the olecranon bones! -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 15 June 2002 10:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Guys I just read that "olecranon" is often used in foot care as a low cost substitute for Sorbothane ... may be this stuff can be used for isolating hi fi?? Anyone used the stuff ... if only under their feet?!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: 15 June 2002 09:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Jun 16 00:15:27 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:15:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Message-ID: <20020615.181528.-388911.1.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks Graham, but I think these will be too small / soft to support a 40 lb. turntable. Right now, I'm considering these, which I found by doing a simple web search: http://www.edmundoptics.com/IOD/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=1618 They're just the right size at 2" diameter and 1" tall. At only $16.00 for a pack of four, they're also the cheapest I've seen. However, they are 70 durometer, which I believe is quite hard. Does anyone know how hard that really is? - Joe On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:40:05 +0100 "Graham Nelson" writes: > Joe > > Have a look at > http://www.hi-fi-accessories-club.mcmail.com/product.html > > You can buy Sorbothane sheet 150x150x3mm for c. $19.50 (to make your > own > feet) or a pack of 12 isolation feet for about $27, delivered. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > josephj69 at juno.com > Sent: 15 June 2002 09:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute > > > Guys, > > I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - > maybe > not. > > Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big > Feet"? > I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a > turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is > prohibitive. > > Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if > the > price is low. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Joe > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release Date: 05/06/02 > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Jun 16 04:18:16 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:18:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Message-ID: <20020615.221835.-1936665.4.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, I've now done a lot of web research and I figured out exactly what I need. It was right on Sorbothane's own web page all along. They make what are called hemispheres (like half of a rubber ball). The ones I need are Sorbothane part # 0510143 in 30 durometer hardness. These have an adhesive backing on the flat surface so you can stick them onto your equipent. They also have a round felt dot on the round surface so they don't mark up your furniture. The cost from Sorbothane is only $2.43 each, but you must order in quantities of at least 100. From what I can determine, these are exactly what Audioquest sells in four packs for $70! I just need to find a distributor who has these in stock, and is willing to sell in small quantities ... - Joe On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:40:45 -0400 josephj69 at juno.com writes: > Guys, > > I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - > maybe > not. > > Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big > Feet"? > I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a > turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is > prohibitive. > > Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if > the > price is low. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 16 04:29:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:29:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute References: <20020615.164849.-378027.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3D0BF7F4.9AD2F17E@rcn.com> josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Guys, > > I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - maybe > not. > > Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big Feet"? > I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a > turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is prohibitive. > > Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if the > price is low. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > Joe A couple of years ago, I was in need of some Sorbothane, to run an experiment. I contacted Sorbothane (800-838-3906) and they offered to provide some samples. They sent me a couple of 2" x 3" pieces (by my request, one 0.04" and the other 0.04", both 50 durometer), plus a soft oval block that I didn't even ask for. They also included much useful technical information. Cost me nothing, except that the experiment failed... I wonder if they'll supply you with enough to fashion some feet from? BTW, 70 durometer is quite hard. I imagine 30 duro (or maybe 50, for a heavy TT) would be appropriate. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jun 16 05:13:04 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:13:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sorbo Substitute (Vibrapods) Message-ID: Howdy Joe - My recommendation is a competing sorbo brand, called Vibrapods. Good dampening, reasonable pricing. Can be purchased thru MusicDirect.Com (Chicago, IL USA): http://www.amusicdirect.com/products/search.asp?mfr=VIBRA Choose the size that is designed for the component weight/size you desire. These are excellent component feet. I have a set on my Thorens turntable, and with four vibrapods, I have a very stable and vibration-free turntable! Here's hoping this info helps you out! K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:40:45 -0400 From: josephj69 at juno.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: low-cost Sorbothane substitute Guys, I know I read about this somewhere. Could have been this group - maybe not. Does anyone know of a low-cost substitute for the Audioquest "Big Feet"? I need to replace the badly worn and deteriorating rubber feet on a turntable with something, and the price of the AQ feet is prohibitive. Another option would be some kind of metal cones, but again, only if the price is low. Any suggestions? Thanks, Joe Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jun 16 05:31:36 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:31:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... Message-ID: >From some of the replies to my query about Nak decks manufactured in countries other than Japan, I suspect that the lower grade decks were slowly phased into subcontracted manufacturing during the 1980s. By the 1990s, most Nak decks were manufactured in other Pacific Rim nations. In some cases, quality issues became an issue as subcontracting increased. Appears that the BX, CR series decks were done mostly in Taiwan, possible South Korea, and the late 1980s mobile components were done predominantly in Hong Kong. Here's a start to short list what my speculative chronology is for Nakamichi cassette deck manufacturing locations from the 1970s thru 1990s..... Nak Tri-Tracer series - Japan Nak ZX/ZXE/ZXL series - Japan Nak LX series - Japan??? Nak Dragon - Japan (& later Taiwan???) Nak CR1 thru 4 - Japan & Tawain Nak CR5 & 7 - Japan??? Nak RX202/303/505 - Japan Nak DR 1/2/3 - Taiwan & S. Korea Nak Cassette Deck 1/2/3 - Taiwan & S. Korea Nak DR 8 & 10 - Malaysia??? Mobile Nak TD 500/700/1000 - Japan Mobile Nak RD 460 & TD 560 - Hong Kong Mobile Nak Amps - Japan & Hong Kong Mobile Nak Speakers - Japan & Hong Kong Comments, corrections and/or opinions, please add your views to the list I've started above!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, WI USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:00:57 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, June 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2344 > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:30:10 -0500 >From: "Stan Targowski" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... > > >My CR2 and TA2 receiver were made in Taiwan. Although I have heard of others >with CR2 made in Japan. My CR4 is Made in Japan. > >Stan > -----Original Message----- > From: Roland Alford > Sent: Thu, June 13, 2002 11:44 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... > > > I had a DR-3 made in Japan and a DR-2 made in Taiwan. > > Roland > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2344 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 16 11:39:49 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:39:49 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? Message-ID: <000901c21519$c2bfa360$bc299bca@smarzuki> Hi all, I saw the auctions and cant tell any difference between 700z and 1000z, maybe that's why nak discontinued the 700zs. Similar features on Wouter's page (hey, new look !): same mechanism, same a/b/l/e ... why's the $800 difference ... for 1000's uglier design ? =) Thanks in advance for sharing the story. btw, interesting reply in a zx9 ebay auction: "This deck will NOT have auto reversing problems like the Dragons because it does not have auto reverse." (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359506646) cheers, salim sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Jun 16 12:23:24 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:23:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? Message-ID: <3D0EDB3B@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the 1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, 700ZXE and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). Fred P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the other two. ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== >Hi all, > >I saw the auctions and cant tell any difference between 700z and 1000z, >maybe that's why nak discontinued the 700zs. Similar features on Wouter's >page (hey, new look !): same mechanism, same a/b/l/e ... why's the $800 >difference ... for 1000's uglier design ? =) Thanks in advance for sharing >the story. > >btw, interesting reply in a zx9 ebay auction: >"This deck will NOT have auto reversing problems like the Dragons because it >does not have auto reverse." >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359506646) > >cheers, >salim sm > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sun Jun 16 16:32:46 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:32:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] We have Naks.com ... In-Reply-To: <000901c21519$c2bfa360$bc299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> We have Naks.com for the cassettes ... and it is great ! = GREAT SERVICE Do you know any similar site for Nakamichi CD players ? Thanks Ezio Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 16 17:51:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:51:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? References: <3D0EDB3B@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <000801c2154d$b829afc0$c4299bca@smarzuki> Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your 1000 ? it is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over originals ... best regards, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: FRED MOSS To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? >Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the 1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, 700ZXE and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). Fred P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the other two. ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== >Hi all, ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sun Jun 16 22:18:00 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:18:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? Message-ID: <3D195B90@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Actually i think it records low frequency tones between tracks though as i said earlier i`ve not used that facility. Going on to the ZX9 Graham is it basically a one way Dragon as it physically looks like the controls are very similarly placed on the front panel I wonder if the electronics are similar? Fred ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== >Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your 1000 ? it >is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over originals ... > >best regards, >salim sm > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: FRED MOSS >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and >700zxe) ? > > >>Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly >different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl >can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the >1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, >700ZXE >and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the >shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). > >Fred > >P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the >other >two. > >===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== >>Hi all, > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 16 23:37:03 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:37:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] We have Naks.com ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <001f01c2157d$f6034560$3b3442cf@sank1> This is the only one I know of: http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-cd.html Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] We have Naks.com ... > We have Naks.com for the cassettes ... and it is great ! = GREAT SERVICE > > Do you know any similar site for Nakamichi CD players ? > > > Thanks > > > Ezio > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 17 04:25:20 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:25:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? Message-ID: Where's Graham? anyway, the 2 decks are so different, featurewise the only thing common are direct drive and rec adjustment facility. ZX has manual rec head trim while dragon's auto pb head align will adjust to rec head on recording for correct positioning / bias. Of course Stephen can tell a lot more about the quality of each pb amps ... imho zxl sounds best, and zx9 is only split hair better than dragon. best regards, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: FRED MOSS Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? > >Actually i think it records low frequency tones between tracks > though as i > said earlier i`ve not used that facility. Going on to the ZX9 > Graham is it > basically a one way Dragon as it physically looks like the > controls are very > similarly placed on the front panel I wonder if the electronics > are similar? > > Fred > > > ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki > ===== > >Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your > 1000 ? it > >is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over > originals ... > > > >best regards, > >salim sm > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: FRED MOSS > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and > 1000zxl (and > >700zxe) ? > > > > > >>Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a > slightly>different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger > memory. Also the 1000zxl > >can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as > good as the > >1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to > CR7,>700ZXE > >and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving > for the > >shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). > > > >Fred > > > >P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration > sytem)than the > >other > >two. > > > >===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki > ===== > >>Hi all, > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html>========-------------------------- > ----------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Jun 17 04:57:37 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:57:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] holy smoke! Message-ID: <200206162257_MC3-1-278-F82B@compuserve.com> Hi, Previous owner of the Pioneer ct-a9 deck that I recently purchased appearently had a bad habit of smoking! Whenever I turn the power on, the entire room smells like an ashtray within few minutes. I know some of you would say that Pioneer decks stink anyways, but I am just curious if there is an easy way to get rid of the bad smell. I have already cleaned the entire face-plate and vacumed the interior as much as I can. Thanks, _Fuad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Hi, Previous owner of the Pioneer ct-a9 deck that I recently purchased appearently had a bad habit of smoking! Whenever I turn the power on, the entire room smells like an ashtray within few minutes. I know some of you would say that Pioneer decks stink anyways, but I am just curious if there is an easy way to get rid of the bad smell. I have already cleaned the entire face-plate and vacumed the interior as much as I can. Thanks, _Fuad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 17 05:09:38 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:09:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] holy smoke! Message-ID: Hi Fuad, it might be something serious ... are you sure nothing's burning inside your deck? i'm a smoker myself but none gave away such smell (and even if it 'stinks', the smell should be there regardless of power switch). salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:57 am Subject: [naktalk] holy smoke! > Hi, > Previous owner of the Pioneer ct-a9 deck that I recently purchased > appearently had a bad habit of smoking! Whenever I turn the power > on, the > entire room smells like an ashtray within few minutes. I know some > of you > would say that Pioneer decks stink anyways, but I am just curious > if there > is an easy way to get rid of the bad smell. I have already cleaned the > entire face-plate and vacumed the interior as much as I can. > Thanks, > _Fuad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 17 05:16:34 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:16:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game Message-ID: Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) cheers, salim sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Mon Jun 17 06:07:54 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:07:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The one in 89th minute was a clear call. Hierro almost took off Quinn's shirt thru his head. The one in 62nd minute, who knows. Overall, I think it was a very good game. It is sad that Ireland got eliminated by penalty shots. This world cup is very bizarre. Argentina, France, Portugal didn't make it to 1/8th. Italy almost got eliminated by Mexico. Portugal playing in 9 against one of the hosts, South Korea - this may be a better example of a fixed game ... I am for Senegal ... (although Brazil will win ...) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sent: Sun, June 16, 2002 10:17 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) cheers, salim sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Jun 17 06:40:58 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:40:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617063905.00a31d30@box.tin.it> 2 out of the 4 the referees have stolen to ITALY !!!!!!!!!!! We are just waiting to receive 4 penalties for free as a compensation of 4 goals ABSOLUTELY VALID but cancelled ! he he he he he he he ! ;o) At 10:16 AM 6/17/02 +0700, you wrote: >Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any >opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland >game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > >cheers, >salim sm > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Mon Jun 17 07:41:21 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 01:41:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... Message-ID: <2FED5EE4.3AC01C35.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, Just check available decks and here are the results: Nak 700TriTracer - Japan Nak CR7E - Japan Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 17 10:42:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:42:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game Message-ID: Shirt pulling should be quite 'common' (although that one was a bit overdone) and doesn't warrant a penalty kick ... but that spain keeper gave a real good show. Anyway, good job gringos! excellent shot by McBride. Does it get to sports headline over there or still a small column on 3rd page? I'm for England, although Brazil will win ... =) cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:07 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: fixed game > The one in 89th minute was a clear call. Hierro almost took off > Quinn'sshirt thru his head. The one in 62nd minute, who knows. > Overall, I think it > was a very good game. It is sad that Ireland got eliminated by penalty > shots. > > This world cup is very bizarre. Argentina, France, Portugal didn't > make it > to 1/8th. Italy almost got eliminated by Mexico. Portugal playing > in 9 > against one of the hosts, South Korea - this may be a better > example of a > fixed game ... > > I am for Senegal ... (although Brazil will win ...) > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Sent: Sun, June 16, 2002 10:17 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game > > > > Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any > opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland > game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > > cheers, > salim sm > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Jun 17 11:54:30 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020617095430.46382.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> I saw the game but missed the first penalty It's entirely possible. But more likely it could just be traditional incomptence. We've already seen a few giveaways. Javier --- smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa > games ... and any > opinion regarding possibility of referee took side > on spain vs ireland > game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > > cheers, > salim sm > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Jun 17 12:28:49 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:28:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game In-Reply-To: <20020617095430.46382.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020617122057.009fc690@box.tin.it> These referees and side helpers are ABSOLUTELY AMATEURS !!!!!!!!!! Italy (we) have been suffering for absolutely NO SENSE decisions ... I understand FIFA has to let amateurs to have a chance , but the level is un-sufficient anyhow . If we will be able to pass the Korea assault ... then we will find a ''softened Spain'' and we will go to the match with a CREDIT of 4 REGULAR goals cancelled by referee unbelievable decisions ... even Blatter admitted publicly this !!! .... he he he he he he ;o))) .... Good point to start ... isn't it ? .... he he he he he ! Ezio At 02:54 AM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >I saw the game but missed the first penalty >It's entirely possible. But more likely it could >just be traditional incomptence. We've already seen a >few giveaways. >Javier > > >--- smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > > Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa > > games ... and any > > opinion regarding possibility of referee took side > > on spain vs ireland > > game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > > > > cheers, > > salim sm > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Jun 17 14:46:33 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:16:33 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Naks made at Japan Message-ID: <20020617124633.E78E3114A76@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Mon Jun 17 15:47:36 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 08:47:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE08A@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hi NTr's, I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider replacing w/fresh recordings? Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening in'. regards all, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mark at advancedhomesystems.com Mon Jun 17 16:05:04 2002 From: mark at advancedhomesystems.com (Mark Henderson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:05:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2346 References: <200206170350.FAA13699@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001f01c21607$fc0ba940$0601a8c0@MH> Every "BX" I have ever seen, has been made in Japan. I believe that "Taiwan" etc. began with the "CR series. M Henderson Ottawa, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "naktalk-digest" To: Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2346 | | naktalk-digest Monday, June 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2346 | | | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:31:36 -0700 | From: "The BlueSwapper" | Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... | | From some of the replies to my query about Nak decks manufactured in countries other than Japan, I suspect that the lower grade decks were slowly phased into subcontracted manufacturing during the 1980s. By the 1990s, most Nak decks were manufactured in other Pacific Rim nations. In some cases, quality issues became an issue as subcontracting increased. Appears that the BX, CR series decks were done mostly in Taiwan, possible South Korea, and the late 1980s mobile components were done predominantly in Hong Kong. Here's a start to short list what my speculative chronology is for Nakamichi cassette deck manufacturing locations from the 1970s thru 1990s..... | | Nak Tri-Tracer series - Japan | | Nak ZX/ZXE/ZXL series - Japan | | Nak LX series - Japan??? | | Nak Dragon - Japan (& later Taiwan???) | | Nak CR1 thru 4 - Japan & Tawain | | Nak CR5 & 7 - Japan??? | | Nak RX202/303/505 - Japan | | Nak DR 1/2/3 - Taiwan & S. Korea | | Nak Cassette Deck 1/2/3 - Taiwan & S. Korea | | Nak DR 8 & 10 - Malaysia??? | | Mobile Nak TD 500/700/1000 - Japan | | Mobile Nak RD 460 & TD 560 - Hong Kong | | Mobile Nak Amps - Japan & Hong Kong | | Mobile Nak Speakers - Japan & Hong Kong | | Comments, corrections and/or opinions, please add your views to the list I've started above!!! | | K.J. Bleus | Madison, WI USA | | - --- | Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? | http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper | | | | On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:00:57 | naktalk-digest wrote: | > | >naktalk-digest Sunday, June 16 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2344 | > | > | >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:30:10 -0500 | >From: "Stan Targowski" | >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... | > | > | >My CR2 and TA2 receiver were made in Taiwan. Although I have heard of others | >with CR2 made in Japan. My CR4 is Made in Japan. | > | >Stan | > -----Original Message----- | > From: Roland Alford | > Sent: Thu, June 13, 2002 11:44 AM | > To: naktalk at naks.com | > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks made in Japan..... | > | > | > I had a DR-3 made in Japan and a DR-2 made in Taiwan. | > | > Roland | > | | >------------------------------ | > | >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2344 | >****************************** | > | > | | | Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably | Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. | Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:39:49 +0700 | From: Salim Marzuki | Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? | | Hi all, | | I saw the auctions and cant tell any difference between 700z and 1000z, | maybe that's why nak discontinued the 700zs. Similar features on Wouter's | page (hey, new look !): same mechanism, same a/b/l/e ... why's the $800 | difference ... for 1000's uglier design ? =) Thanks in advance for sharing | the story. | | btw, interesting reply in a zx9 ebay auction: | "This deck will NOT have auto reversing problems like the Dragons because it | does not have auto reverse." | (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359506646) | | cheers, | salim sm | | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:23:24 +0100 | From: FRED MOSS | Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? | | >Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly | different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl | can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the | 1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, 700ZXE | and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the | shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). | | Fred | | P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the other | two. | | ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== | >Hi all, | > | >I saw the auctions and cant tell any difference between 700z and 1000z, | >maybe that's why nak discontinued the 700zs. Similar features on Wouter's | >page (hey, new look !): same mechanism, same a/b/l/e ... why's the $800 | >difference ... for 1000's uglier design ? =) Thanks in advance for sharing | >the story. | > | >btw, interesting reply in a zx9 ebay auction: | >"This deck will NOT have auto reversing problems like the Dragons because it | >does not have auto reverse." | >(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1359506646) | > | >cheers, | >salim sm | > | > | >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == | ====== | >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck | resource. | >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == | ====== | | Totalise - the Users ISP | - ---------------------- | To become a member and a shareholder | visit http://www.totalise.net | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:32:46 +0200 | From: Ezio | Subject: [naktalk] We have Naks.com ... | | We have Naks.com for the cassettes ... and it is great ! = GREAT SERVICE | | Do you know any similar site for Nakamichi CD players ? | | | Thanks | | | Ezio | | | | Sincerely | | Ezio Lucenti | | Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com | | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:51:45 +0700 | From: Salim Marzuki | Subject: Re: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? | | Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your 1000 ? it | is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over originals ... | | best regards, | salim sm | | | - ----- Original Message ----- | From: FRED MOSS | To: naktalk at naks.com | Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM | Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and | 700zxe) ? | | | >Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly | different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl | can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the | 1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, | 700ZXE | and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the | shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). | | Fred | | P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the | other | two. | | ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== | >Hi all, | | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:18:00 +0100 | From: FRED MOSS | Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? | | >Actually i think it records low frequency tones between tracks though as i | said earlier i`ve not used that facility. Going on to the ZX9 Graham is it | basically a one way Dragon as it physically looks like the controls are very | similarly placed on the front panel I wonder if the electronics are similar? | | Fred | | | ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== | >Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your 1000 ? it | >is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over originals ... | > | >best regards, | >salim sm | > | > | >----- Original Message ----- | >From: FRED MOSS | >To: naktalk at naks.com | >Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM | >Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and | >700zxe) ? | > | > | >>Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly | >different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl | >can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the | >1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, | >700ZXE | >and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the | >shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). | > | >Fred | > | >P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the | >other | >two. | > | >===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== | >>Hi all, | > | > | >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == | ====== | >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck | resource. | >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == | ====== | | Totalise - the Users ISP | - ---------------------- | To become a member and a shareholder | visit http://www.totalise.net | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:37:03 -0600 | From: "Stephen Sank" | Subject: Re: [naktalk] We have Naks.com ... | | This is the only one I know of: | http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-cd.html | | Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer | Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. | http://stephensank.com | 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. | Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] | 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com | mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: | https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net | Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer | | - ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Ezio" | To: | Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 8:32 AM | Subject: [naktalk] We have Naks.com ... | | | > We have Naks.com for the cassettes ... and it is great ! = GREAT SERVICE | > | > Do you know any similar site for Nakamichi CD players ? | > | > | > Thanks | > | > | > Ezio | > | > | > | > Sincerely | > | > Ezio Lucenti | > | > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com | > | > | > | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== | ======= | > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck | resource. | > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | > | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== | ======= | > | | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:25:20 +0700 | From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id | Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? | | Where's Graham? anyway, the 2 decks are so different, featurewise the | only thing common are direct drive and rec adjustment facility. ZX has | manual rec head trim while dragon's auto pb head align will adjust to | rec head on recording for correct positioning / bias. | | Of course Stephen can tell a lot more about the quality of each pb | amps ... imho zxl sounds best, and zx9 is only split hair better than | dragon. | | best regards, | salim sm | | | - ----- Original Message ----- | From: FRED MOSS | Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 3:18 am | Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl | (and 700zxe) ? | | > >Actually i think it records low frequency tones between tracks | > though as i | > said earlier i`ve not used that facility. Going on to the ZX9 | > Graham is it | > basically a one way Dragon as it physically looks like the | > controls are very | > similarly placed on the front panel I wonder if the electronics | > are similar? | > | > Fred | > | > | > ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki | > ===== | > >Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your | > 1000 ? it | > >is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over | > originals ... | > > | > >best regards, | > >salim sm | > > | > > | > >----- Original Message ----- | > >From: FRED MOSS | > >To: naktalk at naks.com | > >Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM | > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and | > 1000zxl (and | > >700zxe) ? | > > | > > | > >>Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a | > slightly>different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger | > memory. Also the 1000zxl | > >can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as | > good as the | > >1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to | > CR7,>700ZXE | > >and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving | > for the | > >shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). | > > | > >Fred | > > | > >P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration | > sytem)than the | > >other | > >two. | > > | > >===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki | > ===== | > >>Hi all, | > > | > > | > >========---------------------------------------------------------- | > --------=== | > ====== | > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette | > Deck | > resource. | > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK | > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html>========-------------------------- | > ----------------------------------------=== | > ====== | > | > Totalise - the Users ISP | > ---------------------- | > To become a member and a shareholder | > visit http://www.totalise.net | > | > ========----------------------------------------------------------- | > -------========= | > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette | > Deck resource. | > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK | > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- | > ---------------------------------------========= | > | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. | TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html | ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= | | ------------------------------ | | End of naktalk-digest V2 #2346 | ****************************** | | ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Jun 17 18:31:35 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (compudude) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 12:31:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2347 Message-ID: <200206171231_MC3-1-29E-FB37@compuserve.com> No Salim, the deck seems functionally healthy, no overheating etc. I'll tryTom's suggestion and leave it running for in a ventilated room for a while.. thanks, _F Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 10:09:38 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: [naktalk] holy smoke! Hi Fuad, it might be something serious ... are you sure nothing's burning inside your deck? i'm a smoker myself but none gave away such smell (and even if it 'stinks', the smell should be there regardless of power switch). salim sm - ----- Original Message ----- From: compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:57 am Subject: [naktalk] holy smoke! > Hi, > Previous owner of the Pioneer ct-a9 deck that I recently purchased > appearently had a bad habit of smoking! Whenever I turn the power > on, the > entire room smells like an ashtray within few minutes. I know some > of you > would say that Pioneer decks stink anyways, but I am just curious > if there > is an easy way to get rid of the bad smell. I have already cleaned the > entire face-plate and vacumed the interior as much as I can. > Thanks, > _Fuad < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jun 17 19:38:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:38:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? In-Reply-To: <3D195B90@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <001901c21625$caec9ae0$e0b087d9@a4s1s2> I'm afraid I don't know enough about the Dragon to say. Sorry. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of FRED MOSS Sent: 16 June 2002 09:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and 700zxe) ? >Actually i think it records low frequency tones between tracks though as i said earlier i`ve not used that facility. Going on to the ZX9 Graham is it basically a one way Dragon as it physically looks like the controls are very similarly placed on the front panel I wonder if the electronics are similar? Fred ===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== >Thanks for the info Fred, do you use RAMM when recording on your 1000 ? it >is one strange feature indeed, recording inaudible tone over originals ... > >best regards, >salim sm > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: FRED MOSS >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 5:23 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] what is difference between 700zxl and 1000zxl (and >700zxe) ? > > >>Hi Salim, that`s a good question, I beleive the 1000zxl has a slightly >different RAAM sytem than the 700zxl with a larger memory. Also the 1000zxl >can be rack mounted. I`ve never had a 700zxl but its probably as good as the >1000zxl and imo its the best sounding Nak ever made ( compared to CR7, >700ZXE >and Dragon, I broke my 1000zxl six months ago and am still saving for the >shipping to send it to Mr Sank (it probably weighs 50 lbs!). > >Fred > >P.S 700ZXE has a simpler A.B.L.E system (tape calibration sytem)than the >other >two. > >===== Original Message From Salim Marzuki ===== >>Hi all, > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Mon Jun 17 23:17:36 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:17:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks made at Japan - about quality and price ... In-Reply-To: <20020617124633.E78E3114A76@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: I strongly feel that the Nak units made in Japan, and especially the older models, are of much higher quality than these made in HK, Taiwan, and the newer ones from Japan. It seems that quality goes down nowadays, unless one pays premium. I have a little OT analogy. I am a watch collector. Have more than would like to admit. Focusing on Quartz calibers, the most accurate one in my collection is SEIKO Chronograph from 1987 - Made in Japan. It is about 1 sec. fast a month (the spec was +/- 10 sec month). I had for a while SEIKO Perpetual Calendar watch (circa 2001) - Movement Made in Japan (watch "who knows where") which was + 3-4 seconds per month (the spec is +/- 20 seconds per year, i.e. < 2 sec /month). In Japan there is a line called Grand Seiko, with specs (+5/-3 sec /day) surpasing that of Swiss COSC Chronometre rating (+4/-6 sec a day). This is for AUTOMATIC calibers. Again, Grand Seiko is exclusively made in Japan. And you pay for these almost the same as for the Swiss units ($1,000+). My Breitling, Omega, and Zenith units will do 1-2 seconds a day, but these are Swiss made, and have to admit, that these are built like tanks - but you pay huge premium for that. Probably the best watches are made in .... Germany (IMHO), but here you pay arm and leg for these. I have an older Glashutte, hand wound, it is 30+ years old and works great. Wouldn't mind owning one day Longe and Sohne (over Patek or anything else) [but on a second thought 2003 S-Class Mercedes and some change would be better appreciated by my wife than a wrist watch .... - and this is starting to be way off topic] Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 7:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks made at Japan Dragon were made only at Japan not anywhere else. Kannan modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) wrote Hi, Just check available decks and here are the results: Nak 700TriTracer - Japan Nak CR7E - Japan Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:17 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Naks made at Japan - about quality and price ... > I strongly feel that the Nak units made in Japan, and especially the older > models, are of much higher quality than these made in HK, Taiwan, and the > newer ones from Japan. > > It seems that quality goes down nowadays, unless one pays premium. I have a > little OT analogy. I am a watch collector. Have more than would like to > admit. > > Focusing on Quartz calibers, the most accurate one in my collection is SEIKO > Chronograph from 1987 - Made in Japan. It is about 1 sec. fast a month (the > spec was +/- 10 sec month). I had for a while SEIKO Perpetual Calendar watch > (circa 2001) - Movement Made in Japan (watch "who knows where") which was + > 3-4 seconds per month (the spec is +/- 20 seconds per year, i.e. < 2 sec > /month). > > In Japan there is a line called Grand Seiko, with specs (+5/-3 sec /day) > surpasing that of Swiss COSC Chronometre rating (+4/-6 sec a day). This is > for AUTOMATIC calibers. Again, Grand Seiko is exclusively made in Japan. And > you pay for these almost the same as for the Swiss units ($1,000+). My > Breitling, Omega, and Zenith units will do 1-2 seconds a day, but these are > Swiss made, and have to admit, that these are built like tanks - but you pay > huge premium for that. > > Probably the best watches are made in .... Germany (IMHO), but here you pay > arm and leg for these. I have an older Glashutte, hand wound, it is 30+ > years old and works great. Wouldn't mind owning one day Longe and Sohne > (over Patek or anything else) [but on a second thought 2003 S-Class Mercedes > and some change would be better appreciated by my wife than a wrist watch > .... - and this is starting to be way off topic] > > Stan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > kannan_s at vsnl.com > Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 7:47 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Naks made at Japan > > > > Dragon were made only at Japan not anywhere else. > Kannan > modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) > wrote > Hi, > > Just check available decks and here are the results: > > Nak 700TriTracer - Japan > > Nak CR7E - Japan > > Regards, > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Jun 18 01:17:27 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:17:27 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Naks made at Japan - about quality and price ... References: Message-ID: Hi Stan, I have two CRs - Japanese CR-3 and Taiwanese CR-4. I defenitely prefer CR-4. Made better, parts better and should I mention much better sound? Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Jun 18 00:50:44 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:50:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game References: Message-ID: <3D0E67C4.1020304@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I don't think that the Ireland game was rigged. And my personal view is that Brazil will not win the World Cup, because they are going to lose to England on Friday.... Seriously, we English still can't come to terms with the fact that so many other nations play the sport that we gave to the world better than we do. Your 'bizarre' results underline the point that there are no poor teams, and even the best can get beaten by the 'underdogs'. Japan and South Korea have both got through to the second round - what a great stimulus for the sport in Asia. However, I would argue that the English premier league is probably the best in the world, and that it is about time our national team lived up to that. So, my prediction is that England get to the final, but lose to Italy! /John Walker Portland UK/ Stan Targowski wrote: >The one in 89th minute was a clear call. Hierro almost took off Quinn's >shirt thru his head. The one in 62nd minute, who knows. Overall, I think it >was a very good game. It is sad that Ireland got eliminated by penalty >shots. > >This world cup is very bizarre. Argentina, France, Portugal didn't make it >to 1/8th. Italy almost got eliminated by Mexico. Portugal playing in 9 >against one of the hosts, South Korea - this may be a better example of a >fixed game ... > >I am for Senegal ... (although Brazil will win ...) > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >smarzuki at indosat.net.id >Sent: Sun, June 16, 2002 10:17 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game > > > >Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any >opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland >game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > >cheers, >salim sm > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 01:41:15 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:41:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: England-Italy final In-Reply-To: <001f01c2157d$f6034560$3b3442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618014047.00a025c0@box.tin.it> This is an interesting point of view I am sharing (but I didn't share with anybody yet !!!!..... I'm not joking here ...) In facts Brazil is showing no middle-field players ... and Ronaldo is simply a broken dog ... Despite I am Italian and supporting my team ... I have found Italy particularly weak in the middle-field players . All of them are ABSOLUTE DONKEYS ! they will never I say NEVER be able even to enter Ascot Derby even to pull a carriage ! They are fatigue men and nothing else ... this time we have an astonishing good attack (and this is almost UNIQUE for Italy) with 4 or 5 extremely good players ... while only 2 or 3 of them can play ... a pretty good (as usual) BUT PRETTU OLD ! defense ... and this is UNUSUALLY WEAK for Italy . You can notice how the middle-field is always ''jumped'' by long shots to reach the attack ... and this is minimizing the chances of the attack to receive playable balls ! ... This time for the first time since ever England has a TRAINER and not a bullish Brit Guy showing clear suicide attitudes ... then having excellent players ... this time they are DIRECTED to an efficient power-play and NOT to suicide and stupid wing runs + cross + lost the ball to the goal-keeper / defendants . This time i see England EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and good for the FINAL ! because for the first time since ever the white team is DIRECTED by a TRAINER . Ericsson has been many and many years a trainer in Italy and made the ROME - Lazio football club winning the Italian Championship ... it would be like York winning the League in England. Ericsson is one of the best trainers in the world (the other is Capello today directing Rome FC from Rome) HE IS MAKING A BIG DIFFERENCE for England ! I can bet on a England-Italy final , but I am not sure Italy will reach it ... cause the weak middle-field full of donkeys = honest but lousy players. Ciao Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jun 18 02:53:06 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:53:06 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game References: <3D0E67C4.1020304@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D0E8472.000001.00428@CopyTech> That's new for me, John. We have always thought of Italy as the most strong and best paying league, followed by England and Spain in that order. Anyway, we have to say that US has gotten farther than anyone thought, thanks to Korea, but Germany has a very strong team. If Brazil solve its "ego" problem among all those international millionaire players, I simply doubt that anyone would beat them at the finals, including England. When you have so many good players in one team, any "fancy" goal may go in ! Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 17, 2002 09:57:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: fixed game I don't think that the Ireland game was rigged. And my personal view is that Brazil will not win the World Cup, because they are going to lose to England on Friday.... Seriously, we English still can't come to terms with the fact that so many other nations play the sport that we gave to the world better than we do. Your 'bizarre' results underline the point that there are no poor teams, and even the best can get beaten by the 'underdogs'. Japan and South Korea have both got through to the second round - what a great stimulus for the sport in Asia. However, I would argue that the English premier league is probably the best in the world, and that it is about time our national team lived up to that. So, my prediction is that England get to the final, but lose to Italy! /John Walker Portland UK/ Stan Targowski wrote: >The one in 89th minute was a clear call. Hierro almost took off Quinn's >shirt thru his head. The one in 62nd minute, who knows. Overall, I think it >was a very good game. It is sad that Ireland got eliminated by penalty >shots. > >This world cup is very bizarre. Argentina, France, Portugal didn't make it >to 1/8th. Italy almost got eliminated by Mexico. Portugal playing in 9 >against one of the hosts, South Korea - this may be a better example of a >fixed game ... > >I am for Senegal ... (although Brazil will win ...) > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >smarzuki at indosat.net.id >Sent: Sun, June 16, 2002 10:17 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game > > > >Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any >opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland >game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > >cheers, >salim sm > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 02:46:35 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 02:46:35 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? In-Reply-To: <001f01c2157d$f6034560$3b3442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618024445.00a02360@box.tin.it> Looking to the specs , this model seems to be at the same level of a 700ZXL or even better (5 motors + Dolby C) why it isn't carrying the same level of excellence ? I should like to hear your opinion. Ciao. Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 18 03:12:03 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:12:03 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020618024445.00a02360@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <011a01c21665$2a8d3380$3b3442cf@sank1> The transports are identical, but the 682ZX has only auto record level & auto azimuth. It lacks auto bias/eq, and has no front panel facility for bias either. It also has a much larger amount of internal signal wiring, which has a negative effect on the sound. And no mic inputs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? > > > Looking to the specs , this model seems to be at the same level of a 700ZXL > or even better (5 motors + Dolby C) why it isn't carrying the same level of > excellence ? > I should like to hear your opinion. > > Ciao. > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 18 03:14:48 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:14:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 References: <004901c21653$27e79420$d76723c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <011f01c21665$8ae708a0$3b3442cf@sank1> The C26 is what I would call competent, but not at all "top shelf". Worth about $300 in nice shape. C24 & C28 are inferior, C27, C29 & above are superior, generally. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: "Naktalk mailinglist" Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 Hi guys!!! Anyone can tell me anything about this pre amplifier (McIntosh C-26). I have seen one on sale here and I was wondering how good it is. Thanks alot Isy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 18 03:57:22 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:57:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020618024445.00a02360@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <002201c2166b$9aadfa40$5c299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ezio, i'm not sure why, but here's one pretty-well-aligned 682zx which doesn't sound as good as lx5 on playback ... having similar head, mechanism and so on - looks like the pb amp (and cabling etc) is not up to par with other big naks. Either that or there are still some bad capacitors lying inside, as i'm still having problems with recording circuitry / electrical noise. Personally i would rate 680/682 in the bottom list of big league naks (zx etc). cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? Looking to the specs , this model seems to be at the same level of a 700ZXL or even better (5 motors + Dolby C) why it isn't carrying the same level of excellence ? I should like to hear your opinion. Ciao. Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 04:43:39 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:43:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? In-Reply-To: <002201c2166b$9aadfa40$5c299bca@smarzuki> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020618024445.00a02360@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618044222.00a03110@box.tin.it> Thanks Salim Shukran . Interesting informations ... I will tell you mine as soon as I will receive it . Ezio At 08:57 AM 6/18/02 +0700, you wrote: >Hi Ezio, i'm not sure why, but here's one pretty-well-aligned 682zx which >doesn't sound as good as lx5 on playback ... having similar head, mechanism >and so on - looks like the pb amp (and cabling etc) is not up to par with >other big naks. Either that or there are still some bad capacitors lying >inside, as i'm still having problems with recording circuitry / electrical >noise. Personally i would rate 680/682 in the bottom list of big league >naks (zx etc). > >cheers, >salim sm > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ezio >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:46 AM >Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? > > > > >Looking to the specs , this model seems to be at the same level of a 700ZXL >or even better (5 motors + Dolby C) why it isn't carrying the same level of >excellence ? >I should like to hear your opinion. > >Ciao. > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 04:45:05 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 In-Reply-To: <004901c21653$27e79420$d76723c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <20020618024505.13108.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> I've never owned one so I don't know but it's said to be an improvement over the earlier 24 and is better built than the frankly more attractive 28. I think you'll love it! See Ya Javier --- Isy Fidelman wrote: > Hi guys!!! > Anyone can tell me anything about this pre amplifier > (McIntosh C-26). I have seen one on sale here and I > was wondering how good it is. > Thanks alot > > Isy > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 04:51:49 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 04:51:49 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? In-Reply-To: <011a01c21665$2a8d3380$3b3442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020616163114.009fb340@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020618024445.00a02360@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618045106.00a06500@box.tin.it> GOOD POINTS . Thanks Thus it must be cheaper ... much cheaper than 700ZXL Ezio At 07:12 PM 6/17/02 -0600, you wrote: >The transports are identical, but the 682ZX has only auto record level & >auto azimuth. It lacks auto bias/eq, and has no front panel facility for >bias either. It also has a much larger amount of internal signal wiring, >which has a negative effect on the sound. And no mic inputs. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ezio" >To: >Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 6:46 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 682ZX ... ? > > > > > > > > Looking to the specs , this model seems to be at the same level of a >700ZXL > > or even better (5 motors + Dolby C) why it isn't carrying the same level >of > > excellence ? > > I should like to hear your opinion. > > > > Ciao. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Jun 18 05:03:47 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:03:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) Message-ID: So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight into the parts and assembly discussion. Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 05:20:40 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 05:20:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618050917.00a31050@box.tin.it> The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise ... the goals scored have been of excellent quality . You lack in technique ... but good athletics qualities . BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH ! ... the eights of final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you regulated Mexico ! ... Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when playing decently . ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not get ''acid'' for the ''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he he ;o) .. Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here tonight as well and not being obliged to disappear ... after the match with Korea .... Ezio Lucenti At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight >into the parts and assembly discussion. > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > >Regards, > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jun 18 07:48:05 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:48:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or don't mention Italy ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618050917.00a31050@box.tin.it> Message-ID: Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They already won with the Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., and with Portugal ... I do agree with you. Italia has the best league (sorry UK guys, Liverpool has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as good as Poland, i.e., they are a collection of best players, who do not know how to play well together. England, on the other hand, can play as a team. Just like with the quality of decks, national pride no longer exists. It is no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more on making money playing for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about national teams. Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of the past, just like Zibi Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score goals for Poland ("20"). This world cup is something different. It is "bizzare", just like NAKS built in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL should win !!!! You are Italian, who was the best in your league - an Aregntinian? .... I will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will agree. You decided to biuld monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against football's g-7 is like a joke, it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you know what, these Boys who everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit and they can do it. Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - they are all about personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC - S E N E G A L ... Stan P.S. Would you like a bet? If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck you want to buy on e-Bay and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me $100 cheque ... Until then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... This bet is not valid should Italy loose with South Korea within the next few hours. If you are on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise ... the goals scored have been of excellent quality . You lack in technique ... but good athletics qualities . BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH ! ... the eights of final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you regulated Mexico ! ... Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when playing decently . ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not get ''acid'' for the ''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he he ;o) .. Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here tonight as well and not being obliged to disappear ... after the match with Korea .... Ezio Lucenti At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight >into the parts and assembly discussion. > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > >Regards, > >K.J. Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Jun 18 08:47:02 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:47:02 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game Message-ID: English premier league - best in the world ? Two questions : 1. Due to English players in the teams ? Surely not, so how can the national team live up to that ? 2. Why no success at international cup club level this last year ? What did your champion cum cup winning team do in Europe ? George ----Original Message Follows---- From: John Walker Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: fixed game Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 23:50:44 +0100 I don't think that the Ireland game was rigged. And my personal view is that Brazil will not win the World Cup, because they are going to lose to England on Friday.... Seriously, we English still can't come to terms with the fact that so many other nations play the sport that we gave to the world better than we do. Your 'bizarre' results underline the point that there are no poor teams, and even the best can get beaten by the 'underdogs'. Japan and South Korea have both got through to the second round - what a great stimulus for the sport in Asia. However, I would argue that the English premier league is probably the best in the world, and that it is about time our national team lived up to that. So, my prediction is that England get to the final, but lose to Italy! /John Walker Portland UK/ Stan Targowski wrote: >The one in 89th minute was a clear call. Hierro almost took off Quinn's >shirt thru his head. The one in 62nd minute, who knows. Overall, I think it >was a very good game. It is sad that Ireland got eliminated by penalty >shots. > >This world cup is very bizarre. Argentina, France, Portugal didn't make it >to 1/8th. Italy almost got eliminated by Mexico. Portugal playing in 9 >against one of the hosts, South Korea - this may be a better example of a >fixed game ... > >I am for Senegal ... (although Brazil will win ...) > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >smarzuki at indosat.net.id >Sent: Sun, June 16, 2002 10:17 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game > > > >Hi all, just wondering if anybody's watching fifa games ... and any >opinion regarding possibility of referee took side on spain vs ireland >game last night (2 penalties?? c'mon ..) > >cheers, >salim sm > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 11:17:43 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:17:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or don't mention Italy ... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618050917.00a31050@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618111131.009fe490@box.tin.it> Stan , I am not going to bet ! The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as the Brazil ) that I cannot grant to reach the final. Korea should be solved by a couple of counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having been weakened enough ... then Germany ... they have a good team butr not excellent and we have a tradition over them ... The other side of the panel ... who is going to prevail ? I bet on England ... A final England vs. Italy will see England prevailing .... 75% chances ... because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. They could commit suicide (strategically and tactically speaking) but if they don't they have good chances to win the WC . Ciao Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They already won with the >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., and with Portugal ... > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league (sorry UK guys, Liverpool >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as good as Poland, i.e., they >are a collection of best players, who do not know how to play well together. >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride no longer exists. It is >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more on making money playing >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about national teams. > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of the past, just like Zibi >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score goals for Poland ("20"). >This world cup is something different. It is "bizzare", just like NAKS built >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL should win !!!! > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - an Aregntinian? .... I >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will agree. You decided to biuld >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against football's g-7 is like a joke, >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you know what, these Boys who >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit and they can do it. >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - they are all about >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC - S E N E G A L ... > >Stan > >P.S. Would you like a bet? >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck you want to buy on e-Bay >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me $100 cheque ... Until >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... This bet is not valid >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next few hours. If you are >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ezio >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise ... the goals scored >have been of excellent quality . >You lack in technique ... but good athletics qualities . >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH ! ... the eights of >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you regulated Mexico ! ... >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when playing decently . > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not get ''acid'' for the >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he he ;o) .. > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here tonight as well and not >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with Korea .... > >Ezio Lucenti > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > >Regards, > > > >K.J. Bleus > > > >--- > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 18 11:42:19 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:42:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: fixed game In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c216ac$70443760$b7e5883e@a4s1s2> Ouch! But probably true. And, George - you also forgot to mention England can't even train their team to be winners of any game without hiring a jolly good bloke from Sweden! However ... if England can't win the final I do hope one of the emerging Soccer nations gets it ... like Senegal. It's about time the European "old guard" were shown they don't rule the World anymore!! ;o) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of George Valkov Sent: 18 June 2002 07:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: fixed game English premier league - best in the world ? Two questions : 1. Due to English players in the teams ? Surely not, so how can the national team live up to that ? 2. Why no success at international cup club level this last year ? What did your champion cum cup winning team do in Europe ? George --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Tue Jun 18 12:15:43 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:15:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 References: <004901c21653$27e79420$d76723c8@g8nsv> <011f01c21665$8ae708a0$3b3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <001901c216b1$57dbcbc0$816623c8@g8nsv> Thanks for the info Stephen!!! As always very usefull. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > The C26 is what I would call competent, but not at all "top shelf". Worth > about $300 in nice shape. C24 & C28 are inferior, C27, C29 & above are > superior, generally. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isy Fidelman" > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:03 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > Hi guys!!! > Anyone can tell me anything about this pre amplifier (McIntosh C-26). I have > seen one on sale here and I was wondering how good it is. > Thanks alot > > Isy > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 15:21:39 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 In-Reply-To: <001901c216b1$57dbcbc0$816623c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <20020618132139.26059.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Quite so steve but a C28 can be brought to standards and is downright symmetrical! Just like a 29. BTW: What exactly are the differences sonically and circuit-wise between the 504 and the 29? Is the 29 also op-amp based? I have a 24, 28 and a pair 504s The 24 and 28 are similar but the 504s chips and all blow them away! They are my favourite mac preamp. very quiet compact and purish sounding. (Take note everyone, new audiophile word being born as U read) Am I missing something in not having the 29? All of the later preamps except the way expensive 712 and c12 are too feature-laden for me so the 29 is how I'm thinking of going eventually someday. See Ya Javier --- Isy Fidelman wrote: > Thanks for the info Stephen!!! > As always very usefull. > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > The C26 is what I would call competent, but not at > all "top shelf". Worth > > about $300 in nice shape. C24 & C28 are inferior, > C27, C29 & above are > > superior, generally. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Isy Fidelman" > > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:03 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > > > Hi guys!!! > > Anyone can tell me anything about this pre > amplifier (McIntosh C-26). I > have > > seen one on sale here and I was wondering how good > it is. > > Thanks alot > > > > Isy > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jun 18 17:01:03 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:01:03 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <3D0E8472.000001.00428@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D0F4B2F.000007.00676@CopyTech> Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 18 16:24:19 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:24:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or don't mention Italy ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618050917.00a31050@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020618111131.009fe490@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <000601c216d3$d63b0d60$a6299bca@smarzuki> I truly feel sorry for Italy !!! had it not been for the Totti accident, Italy would've gone to semifinal. Anyway Korea was also amazing ... much more better show than Jap vs Turkey ... plus one Rivaldo-like goal shot ! sorry if i sound like a broken 682 =) One unforgettable moment of history would be Korea to win the final against Brazil ... SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or don't mention Italy ... Stan , I am not going to bet ! The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as the Brazil ) that I cannot grant to reach the final. Korea should be solved by a couple of counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having been weakened enough ... then Germany ... they have a good team butr not excellent and we have a tradition over them ... The other side of the panel ... who is going to prevail ? I bet on England ... A final England vs. Italy will see England prevailing .... 75% chances ... because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. They could commit suicide (strategically and tactically speaking) but if they don't they have good chances to win the WC . Ciao Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They already won with the >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., and with Portugal ... > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jun 18 16:15:20 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:15:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618111131.009fe490@box.tin.it> Message-ID: "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is beyond that ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to predict what happens next. I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild guess who will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the other side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will win with the US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans will win (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an interesting one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who will win. So the final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and Korea ... The final standings ... 1. Brazil 2. Germany 3. Senegal 4. Korea or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... 1. Latin America 2. Europe 3. Africa 4. Asia/Pacific Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo will win with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. Your thoughts? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or don't mention Italy ... Stan , I am not going to bet ! The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as the Brazil ) that I cannot grant to reach the final. Korea should be solved by a couple of counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having been weakened enough ... then Germany ... they have a good team butr not excellent and we have a tradition over them ... The other side of the panel ... who is going to prevail ? I bet on England ... A final England vs. Italy will see England prevailing .... 75% chances ... because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. They could commit suicide (strategically and tactically speaking) but if they don't they have good chances to win the WC . Ciao Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They already won with the >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., and with Portugal ... > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league (sorry UK guys, Liverpool >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as good as Poland, i.e., they >are a collection of best players, who do not know how to play well together. >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride no longer exists. It is >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more on making money playing >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about national teams. > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of the past, just like Zibi >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score goals for Poland ("20"). >This world cup is something different. It is "bizzare", just like NAKS built >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL should win !!!! > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - an Aregntinian? .... I >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will agree. You decided to biuld >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against football's g-7 is like a joke, >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you know what, these Boys who >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit and they can do it. >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - they are all about >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC - S E N E G A L ... > >Stan > >P.S. Would you like a bet? >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck you want to buy on e-Bay >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me $100 cheque ... Until >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... This bet is not valid >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next few hours. If you are >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ezio >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise ... the goals scored >have been of excellent quality . >You lack in technique ... but good athletics qualities . >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH ! ... the eights of >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you regulated Mexico ! ... >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when playing decently . > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not get ''acid'' for the >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he he ;o) .. > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here tonight as well and not >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with Korea .... > >Ezio Lucenti > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > >Regards, > > > >K.J. Bleus > > > >--- > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Jun 18 16:35:14 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 10:35:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: Message-ID: <005301c216d5$5c717620$a1021fac@brianm> What is this "World Cup"? Is it based on that game we played when kids? LOL - Just kidding, save the flames! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 16:51:27 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or don't mention Italy ... In-Reply-To: <000601c216d3$d63b0d60$a6299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20020618145127.92364.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> I have to say. This is the most hisorically significant cup we've seen in years. The hierarchies are being shattered! Argentina and now Italy are gone. Brasil and Germany are still there but are not in any way impressive and could be gone by friday. It takes them painfully long to manufacture a score and they come near getting wiped out in the process. It was only 8 years ago that the debate was which of the big four would win. Then came the French accident. On the whole the teams are far more evenly balanced now, which can make the thing more interesting or more boring. It's alot rougher than before and every pass seems to be contested but gone are the days of effortless showmanship from a Maradonna and Canijia or Romario and Bebeto. They all have to work for it now. Javier --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > I truly feel sorry for Italy !!! had it not been > for the Totti accident, > Italy would've gone to semifinal. Anyway Korea was > also amazing ... much > more better show than Jap vs Turkey ... plus one > Rivaldo-like goal shot ! > sorry if i sound like a broken 682 =) > > One unforgettable moment of history would be Korea > to win the final against > Brazil ... > > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ezio > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:17 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or don't > mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 17:01:48 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:01:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618111131.009fe490@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618165917.00a08220@box.tin.it> I've never seen ... in 46 years ... something like that I have seen today . I prefer to avoid any comments ... The soccer was not soccer any more , but a plain big show , but this is not even a show . The game was already decided before or Italy was going to be punished for some reasons ... Better I don't comment ... really better. Ezio At 09:15 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: >"For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is beyond that >..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > >Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to predict what >happens next. > >I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild guess who >will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the other >side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will win with the >US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans will win >(although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an interesting >one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who will win. So the >final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and Korea ... >The final standings ... > >1. Brazil >2. Germany >3. Senegal >4. Korea > >or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... > >1. Latin America >2. Europe >3. Africa >4. Asia/Pacific > >Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo will win >with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. > >Your thoughts? > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Ezio >Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or >don't mention Italy ... > > >Stan , I am not going to bet ! >The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as the Brazil ) that I >cannot grant to reach the final. >Korea should be solved by a couple of counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... >afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having been weakened enough ... >then Germany ... they have a good team butr not excellent and we have a >tradition over them ... > >The other side of the panel ... who is going to prevail ? I bet on England >... > >A final England vs. Italy will see England prevailing .... 75% chances ... >because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. >They could commit suicide (strategically and tactically speaking) but if >they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > >Ciao > >Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > >At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know how to play well >together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is "bizzare", just like NAKS >built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will agree. You decided to >biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against football's g-7 is like a >joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >K.J. Bleus > > > > > >--- > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >======== > > > > > > > > >Sincerely > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 17:13:49 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:13:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020618151349.40250.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very good shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and might just beat them. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride > no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - > an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit > and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - > they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC > - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... > This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next > few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise > ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH > ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you > regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he > he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with > Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX > decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and > assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy > amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge > at World Cup? > > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 18 17:28:42 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:28:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: <005301c216d5$5c717620$a1021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003001c216dc$d49bed40$a6299bca@smarzuki> Yes ... especially when you see grownups 'faking' fouls that often !! one player lost the ball and suddenly he went down, pressing palm to his face, yuck. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... What is this "World Cup"? Is it based on that game we played when kids? LOL - Just kidding, save the flames! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jun 18 17:16:15 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:16:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <3D0E8472.000001.00428@CopyTech> <3D0F4B2F.000007.00676@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001301c216db$17362af0$1f756acf@johnnyrotten> I'm ready, looks like I'm next, goody goody! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jun 18 17:19:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:19:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: Message-ID: <001901c216db$7b146be0$1f756acf@johnnyrotten> Maybe we should change this forum to Nak. World Cup. Just kidding, I think it's great that we can all share our common interests. Freedom rules! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge at World Cup? > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > >K.J. Bleus > > > > > >--- > > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >======== > > > > > > > > >Sincerely > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 17:38:16 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618165917.00a08220@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <20020618153816.29038.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Yes There definitely was biased or at least defective refereeing. He never should have been expelled. But the super teams are supposed to be better enough to overcome that bias. Sorry but Italy just wasn't playing like a premier team. In fact nobody has been! It does seem that the game of 20 or 30 years ago was much more graceful than what we see today. It reminds me of a game we used to play in grade school called kill the man with the ball. Javier --- Ezio wrote: > I've never seen ... in 46 years ... something like > that I have seen today . > I prefer to avoid any comments ... > The soccer was not soccer any more , but a plain big > show , but this is not > even a show . > > The game was already decided before or Italy was > going to be punished for > some reasons ... > > Better I don't comment ... really better. > > Ezio > > At 09:15 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >"For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > >..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > >Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > >happens next. > > > >I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > >will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > >side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > >US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > >(although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > >one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > >final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > >The final standings ... > > > >1. Brazil > >2. Germany > >3. Senegal > >4. Korea > > > >or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > > >1. Latin America > >2. Europe > >3. Africa > >4. Asia/Pacific > > > >Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > >with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > > >Your thoughts? > > > >Stan > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > >don't mention Italy ... > > > > > >Stan , I am not going to bet ! > >The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak > as the Brazil ) that I > >cannot grant to reach the final. > >Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > >afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > >then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > >tradition over them ... > > > >The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > >... > > > >A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > >because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > >They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > >they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > > >Ciao > > > >Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > > >At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, > etc., and with Portugal ... > > > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > >together. > > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national > pride no longer exists. It is > > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > >built > > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league > - an Aregntinian? .... I > > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > >biuld > > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > >joke, > > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and > spirit and they can do it. > > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans > - they are all about > > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the > WC - S E N E G A L ... > > > > > >Stan > > > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team > ... This bet is not valid > > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the > next few hours. If you are > > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > >Ezio > > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a > surprise ... the goals scored > > >have been of excellent quality . > > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely > TOUGH ! ... the eights of > > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way > you regulated Mexico ! ... > > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he > he he ;o) .. > > > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match > with Korea .... > > > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aferro at televen.com Tue Jun 18 17:43:07 2002 From: aferro at televen.com (Antonio Ferro) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:43:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: <20020618151349.40250.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ce01c216de$d8899040$bb0fde81@televen.com> Yes Brasil are not in very good shape, But they win all match...that's important. IMH. The winner of this world cup is: Brasil or England. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very good shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and might just beat them. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride > no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - > an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit > and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - > they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC > - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... > This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next > few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise > ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH > ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you > regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he > he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with > Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX > decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and > assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy > amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge > at World Cup? > > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 18 17:53:32 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:53:32 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <20020618153816.29038.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618165917.00a08220@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618175321.00a0c520@box.tin.it> Right At 08:38 AM 6/18/02 -0700, you wrote: >Yes >There definitely was biased or at least defective >refereeing. He never should have been expelled. >But the super teams are supposed to be better enough >to overcome that bias. Sorry but Italy just wasn't >playing like a premier team. In fact nobody has been! >It does seem that the game of 20 or 30 years ago was >much more graceful than what we see today. It reminds >me of a game we used to play in grade school called >kill the man with the ball. >Javier > > >--- Ezio wrote: > > I've never seen ... in 46 years ... something like > > that I have seen today . > > I prefer to avoid any comments ... > > The soccer was not soccer any more , but a plain big > > show , but this is not > > even a show . > > > > The game was already decided before or Italy was > > going to be punished for > > some reasons ... > > > > Better I don't comment ... really better. > > > > Ezio > > > > At 09:15 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >"For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > > football fever is beyond that > > >..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > > >Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > > let's try to predict what > > >happens next. > > > > > >I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > > really a wild guess who > > >will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > > Brazil. On the other > > >side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > > Germany will win with the > > >US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > > am sure Germans will win > > >(although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > > will be an interesting > > >one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > > who will win. So the > > >final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > > game Senegal and Korea ... > > >The final standings ... > > > > > >1. Brazil > > >2. Germany > > >3. Senegal > > >4. Korea > > > > > >or if you will (that's probably first one in > > history) ... > > > > > >1. Latin America > > >2. Europe > > >3. Africa > > >4. Asia/Pacific > > > > > >Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > > boot. Ronaldo will win > > >with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > > 3rd. > > > > > >Your thoughts? > > > > > >Stan > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > >Ezio > > >Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > > you win $300 - or > > >don't mention Italy ... > > > > > > > > >Stan , I am not going to bet ! > > >The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak > > as the Brazil ) that I > > >cannot grant to reach the final. > > >Korea should be solved by a couple of > > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > > >afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > > been weakened enough ... > > >then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > > excellent and we have a > > >tradition over them ... > > > > > >The other side of the panel ... who is going to > > prevail ? I bet on England > > >... > > > > > >A final England vs. Italy will see England > > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > > >because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > > >They could commit suicide (strategically and > > tactically speaking) but if > > >they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > > > > >Ciao > > > > > >Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > > > > >At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > > already won with the > > > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, > > etc., and with Portugal ... > > > > > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > > > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > > good as Poland, i.e., they > > > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > > how to play well > > >together. > > > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > > > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national > > pride no longer exists. It is > > > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > > on making money playing > > > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > > national teams. > > > > > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > > the past, just like Zibi > > > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > > goals for Poland ("20"). > > > >This world cup is something different. It is > > "bizzare", just like NAKS > > >built > > > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > > should win !!!! > > > > > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league > > - an Aregntinian? .... I > > > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > > agree. You decided to > > >biuld > > > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > > football's g-7 is like a > > >joke, > > > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > > know what, these Boys who > > > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and > > spirit and they can do it. > > > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans > > - they are all about > > > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the > > WC - S E N E G A L ... > > > > > > > >Stan > > > > > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > > > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > > you want to buy on e-Bay > > > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > > $100 cheque ... Until > > > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team > > ... This bet is not valid > > > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the > > next few hours. If you are > > > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > >Ezio > > > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > > Japan.....) > > > > > > > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a > > surprise ... the goals scored > > > >have been of excellent quality . > > > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > > qualities . > > > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely > > TOUGH ! ... the eights of > > > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > > > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way > > you regulated Mexico ! ... > > > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > > playing decently . > > > > > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > > get ''acid'' for the > > > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he > > he he ;o) .. > > > > > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > > tonight as well and not > > > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match > > with Korea .... > > > > > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > > and >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jun 18 18:26:27 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:26:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <20020618151349.40250.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Deep down, I am not sure of anyone, anymore. This is why, deep in my heart, I would like the tiny Senegal to win. Like I said before, this world cup is bizarre. Some of you have correctly pointed out that this is not the first one. Hell, nothing is like it used to be before. No more Japanese Naks, no more solid music (tons of CD's with one hit and 66 minutes of filler), no more family values, no more true football - junk all over ... In the US, even if the team won, I bet most people would care more about Jennifer Lopez and whether she is getting divorced ... Question for the day ... Pick the best Italian or English league team. How do you think this team would play against the national teams. Would they have a chance of winning? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very good shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and might just beat them. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride > no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - > an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit > and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - > they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC > - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... > This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next > few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise > ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH > ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you > regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he > he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with > Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX > decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and > assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy > amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge > at World Cup? > > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 18 18:50:41 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020618165041.91246.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Any league team could blowe the national teams away! --- Stan Targowski wrote: > Deep down, I am not sure of anyone, anymore. This is > why, deep in my heart, > I would like the tiny Senegal to win. > > Like I said before, this world cup is bizarre. Some > of you have correctly > pointed out that this is not the first one. Hell, > nothing is like it used to > be before. No more Japanese Naks, no more solid > music (tons of CD's with one > hit and 66 minutes of filler), no more family > values, no more true > football - junk all over ... In the US, even if the > team won, I bet most > people would care more about Jennifer Lopez and > whether she is getting > divorced ... > > Question for the day ... > Pick the best Italian or English league team. How do > you think this team > would play against the national teams. Would they > have a chance of winning? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 10:14 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very > good > shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and > might just beat them. > Javier > > --- Stan Targowski wrote: > > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > > football fever is beyond that > > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > > let's try to predict what > > happens next. > > > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > > really a wild guess who > > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > > Brazil. On the other > > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > > Germany will win with the > > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > > am sure Germans will win > > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. > Brazil > > will be an interesting > > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be > Brazil > > who will win. So the > > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > > game Senegal and Korea ... > > The final standings ... > > > > 1. Brazil > > 2. Germany > > 3. Senegal > > 4. Korea > > > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > > history) ... > > > > 1. Latin America > > 2. Europe > > 3. Africa > > 4. Asia/Pacific > > > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > > boot. Ronaldo will win > > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > > 3rd. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ezio > > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win > and > > you win $300 - or > > don't mention Italy ... > > > > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak > as > > the Brazil ) that I > > cannot grant to reach the final. > > Korea should be solved by a couple of > > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > > been weakened enough ... > > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > > excellent and we have a > > tradition over them ... > > > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > > prevail ? I bet on England > > ... > > > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > > They could commit suicide (strategically and > > tactically speaking) but if > > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > > > Ciao > > > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > > already won with the > > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, > etc., > > and with Portugal ... > > > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > > good as Poland, i.e., they > > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > > how to play well > > together. > > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national > pride > > no longer exists. It is > > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > > on making money playing > > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > > national teams. > > > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > > the past, just like Zibi > > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > > goals for Poland ("20"). > > >This world cup is something different. It is > > "bizzare", just like NAKS > > built > > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > > should win !!!! > > > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league > - > > an Aregntinian? .... I > > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > > agree. You decided to > > biuld > > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > > football's g-7 is like a > > joke, > > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > > know what, these Boys who > > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and > spirit > > and they can do it. > > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans > - > > they are all about > > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the > WC > > - S E N E G A L ... > > > > > >Stan > > > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > > you want to buy on e-Bay > > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > > $100 cheque ... Until > > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team > ... > > This bet is not valid > > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the > next > > few hours. If you are > > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jun 18 19:08:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:08:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <3D0E8472.000001.00428@CopyTech> <3D0F4B2F.000007.00676@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D0F6906.9565752E@rcn.com> Wow... My system is completely apart, following a preamp repair and pending some recabling and such. But for this, I'll just hook up the CR-7 directly to either the CD player or the TT (haven't made up my mind yet). Damon, please let me have your email so I can send you my snail-mail address. John Smokevitch, please reply to this post with your snail-mail address. TIA, -- Ron >The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > >Carlos - OK >Bleus - OK >John Tooley >Damon Josz >Ron >John Smokevitch >Rob Hamilton >Stan Targowsky >Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! >Kent Merideth >Harshad Khatri >Michael De Wire >Eddy Pollet >Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > >Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner >in order to notify him about your receiving address. > >RULES: > >1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. >2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better >3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top >4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days >5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! >6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus >7- Enjoy it ! > >While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . > >Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jun 18 19:40:44 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:40:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <3D0E8472.000001.00428@CopyTech> <3D0F4B2F.000007.00676@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00ad01c216ef$468ff6f0$1f756acf@johnnyrotten> Bleus, do you need my address? John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Jun 18 22:28:00 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (khmerideth at anderson.edu) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:28:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: <200206182137.XAA25001@zebra.naks.com> The two selections I received permission to dub are from a piano dedication, which was recorded using two Shure SM-81 condenser mics located approximately 20 feet back from the piano, in the center isle of the sanctuary. Johnny, if you need my USPS address, let me know. Otherwise, I'll be waiting for the tape with great anticipation. Kent P.S. The two selections are: "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen" & "Joshua Fought the Battle of Jericho". It takes about 5:05, so I may have to barely nudge the speed control up on the MR-1. >>> copytec at coqui.net 06/18/02 10:01AM >>> Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 18 22:38:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:38:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <20020618153816.29038.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c21708$23bd9740$09a287d9@a4s1s2> Javier Ah, you mean as my Grandad taught me ... "If you can't kick the ball kick the player who's got it ..." I think he learnt that watching Blackpool FC, probably before Dixie Dean! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 18 June 2002 04:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Yes There definitely was biased or at least defective refereeing. He never should have been expelled. But the super teams are supposed to be better enough to overcome that bias. Sorry but Italy just wasn't playing like a premier team. In fact nobody has been! It does seem that the game of 20 or 30 years ago was much more graceful than what we see today. It reminds me of a game we used to play in grade school called kill the man with the ball. Javier --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 18 22:45:21 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:45:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c21709$10575aa0$09a287d9@a4s1s2> '@@@@@@kin' 'ell !!!! A Thorens TD124 with SME 3012 just sold on e-Bay for £797 ... that's about $1200 ... !!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 18 22:49:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:49:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE In-Reply-To: <200206182137.XAA25001@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000901c21709$9d89e640$09a287d9@a4s1s2> I'm looking forward to hearing this ... not many of us will be offering live recordings, I'll bet. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of khmerideth at anderson.edu Sent: 18 June 2002 09:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE The two selections I received permission to dub are from a piano dedication, which was recorded using two Shure SM-81 condenser mics located approximately 20 feet back from the piano, in the center isle of the sanctuary. Johnny, if you need my USPS address, let me know. Otherwise, I'll be waiting for the tape with great anticipation. Kent P.S. The two selections are: "Nobody Knows the Trouble I've Seen" & "Joshua Fought the Battle of Jericho". It takes about 5:05, so I may have to barely nudge the speed control up on the MR-1. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jun 19 00:11:14 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:11:14 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B43@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT20557.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jun 19 00:52:33 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:52:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) Message-ID: Howdy to my Nak Marathon Tape friends..... How about all the M-Tape 1 recorders (presumably all from the western hemisphere) email me with their full snailmail address and deck model, and I'll add that to the list (which will be created in MS Excel spreadsheet). Then as each of you complete your recording, you can email me details that you added to the snailmail M-Tape list. I will transpose that info onto the Marathon Tape webpage (introduced below in uncompleted condition): http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html As soon as I get the info, I'll prepare a list and get M-Tape 1 rolling onward to John Tooley. Graham, kindly provide me with the info for M-Tape 2 (Euro/Asia recorders) and I'll incorporate that all into the webpage. And away we go..... K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:58:49 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2360 ------------------------------ >>> copytec at coqui.net 06/18/02 10:01AM >>> Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Carlos in Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos End of naktalk-digest V2 #2360 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Jun 19 01:19:00 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:19:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 5:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) Howdy to my Nak Marathon Tape friends..... How about all the M-Tape 1 recorders (presumably all from the western hemisphere) email me with their full snailmail address and deck model, and I'll add that to the list (which will be created in MS Excel spreadsheet). Then as each of you complete your recording, you can email me details that you added to the snailmail M-Tape list. I will transpose that info onto the Marathon Tape webpage (introduced below in uncompleted condition): http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html As soon as I get the info, I'll prepare a list and get M-Tape 1 rolling onward to John Tooley. Graham, kindly provide me with the info for M-Tape 2 (Euro/Asia recorders) and I'll incorporate that all into the webpage. And away we go..... K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:58:49 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2360 ------------------------------ >>> copytec at coqui.net 06/18/02 10:01AM >>> Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Carlos in Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos End of naktalk-digest V2 #2360 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 02:59:14 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:59:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: Message-ID: <3D0FD762.000001.00416@CopyTech> Stan: You are so right that it really scares me ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 03:25:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Deep down, I am not sure of anyone, anymore. This is why, deep in my heart, I would like the tiny Senegal to win. Like I said before, this world cup is bizarre. Some of you have correctly pointed out that this is not the first one. Hell, nothing is like it used to be before. No more Japanese Naks, no more solid music (tons of CD's with one hit and 66 minutes of filler), no more family values, no more true football - junk all over ... In the US, even if the team won, I bet most people would care more about Jennifer Lopez and whether she is getting divorced ... Question for the day ... Pick the best Italian or English league team. How do you think this team would play against the national teams. Would they have a chance of winning? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very good shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and might just beat them. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride > no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - > an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit > and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - > they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC > - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... > This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next > few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise > ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH > ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you > regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he > he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with > Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX > decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and > assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy > amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge > at World Cup? > > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 02:59:14 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:59:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: Message-ID: <3D0FD762.000001.00416@CopyTech> Stan: You are so right that it really scares me ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 03:25:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Deep down, I am not sure of anyone, anymore. This is why, deep in my heart, I would like the tiny Senegal to win. Like I said before, this world cup is bizarre. Some of you have correctly pointed out that this is not the first one. Hell, nothing is like it used to be before. No more Japanese Naks, no more solid music (tons of CD's with one hit and 66 minutes of filler), no more family values, no more true football - junk all over ... In the US, even if the team won, I bet most people would care more about Jennifer Lopez and whether she is getting divorced ... Question for the day ... Pick the best Italian or English league team. How do you think this team would play against the national teams. Would they have a chance of winning? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very good shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and might just beat them. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride > no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - > an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit > and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - > they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC > - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... > This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next > few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise > ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH > ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you > regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he > he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with > Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX > decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and > assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy > amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge > at World Cup? > > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 03:00:16 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:00:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <3D0F6906.9565752E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D0FD7A0.000004.00416@CopyTech> By the way, : NO DOLBY PLEASE ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 04:08:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Wow... My system is completely apart, following a preamp repair and pending some recabling and such. But for this, I'll just hook up the CR-7 directly to either the CD player or the TT (haven't made up my mind yet). Damon, please let me have your email so I can send you my snail-mail address. John Smokevitch, please reply to this post with your snail-mail address. TIA, -- Ron >The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > >Carlos - OK >Bleus - OK >John Tooley >Damon Josz >Ron >John Smokevitch >Rob Hamilton >Stan Targowsky >Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! >Kent Merideth >Harshad Khatri >Michael De Wire >Eddy Pollet >Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > >Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner >in order to notify him about your receiving address. > >RULES: > >1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. >2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better >3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top >4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days >5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! >6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus >7- Enjoy it ! > >While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . > >Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 03:09:44 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:09:44 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B43@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3D0FD9D8.000007.00416@CopyTech> Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham Nelson Fred Moss Pavel Nik Misha (if he can... ) Mark Hugo Salim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough) TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 03:11:08 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:11:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) References: Message-ID: <3D0FDA2C.00000A.00416@CopyTech> He send it to me with compliments from Bleus ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:17:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 5:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) Howdy to my Nak Marathon Tape friends..... How about all the M-Tape 1 recorders (presumably all from the western hemisphere) email me with their full snailmail address and deck model, and I'll add that to the list (which will be created in MS Excel spreadsheet). Then as each of you complete your recording, you can email me details that you added to the snailmail M-Tape list. I will transpose that info onto the Marathon Tape webpage (introduced below in uncompleted condition): http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html As soon as I get the info, I'll prepare a list and get M-Tape 1 rolling onward to John Tooley. Graham, kindly provide me with the info for M-Tape 2 (Euro/Asia recorders) and I'll incorporate that all into the webpage. And away we go..... K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:58:49 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2360 ------------------------------ >>> copytec at coqui.net 06/18/02 10:01AM >>> Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Carlos in Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos End of naktalk-digest V2 #2360 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: Message-ID: <3D0FD762.000001.00416@CopyTech> Stan: You are so right that it really scares me ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 03:25:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Deep down, I am not sure of anyone, anymore. This is why, deep in my heart, I would like the tiny Senegal to win. Like I said before, this world cup is bizarre. Some of you have correctly pointed out that this is not the first one. Hell, nothing is like it used to be before. No more Japanese Naks, no more solid music (tons of CD's with one hit and 66 minutes of filler), no more family values, no more true football - junk all over ... In the US, even if the team won, I bet most people would care more about Jennifer Lopez and whether she is getting divorced ... Question for the day ... Pick the best Italian or English league team. How do you think this team would play against the national teams. Would they have a chance of winning? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 10:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Don't be so sure of Brasil. They are not in very good shape.Nor is Germany for that matter. The US can and might just beat them. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So > let's try to predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is > really a wild guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be > Brazil. On the other > side, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and > Germany will win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I > am sure Germans will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil > will be an interesting > one. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil > who will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ezio > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 4:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] World CUP - Macaroni win and > you win $300 - or > don't mention Italy ... > > > Stan , I am not going to bet ! > The middle-field of Italy is so weak (almost weak as > the Brazil ) that I > cannot grant to reach the final. > Korea should be solved by a couple of > counter-attacks Vieri + Totti ... > afterward ... Spain should be sent at home having > been weakened enough ... > then Germany ... they have a good team butr not > excellent and we have a > tradition over them ... > > The other side of the panel ... who is going to > prevail ? I bet on England > ... > > A final England vs. Italy will see England > prevailing .... 75% chances ... > because nowadays THEY FINALLY HAVE A TRAINER and > IT'S THE FIRST TIME EVER. > They could commit suicide (strategically and > tactically speaking) but if > they don't they have good chances to win the WC . > > Ciao > > Ezio (spaghetti not maccaroni ! ;o) .... ) > > At 12:48 AM 6/18/02 -0500, you wrote: > >Ezio - what if kim-chi wins over pasta ... They > already won with the > >Kielbasa team - Olympic Champions, WC # III, etc., > and with Portugal ... > > > >I do agree with you. Italia has the best league > (sorry UK guys, Liverpool > >has a great keeper). But as a team, they are as > good as Poland, i.e., they > >are a collection of best players, who do not know > how to play well > together. > >England, on the other hand, can play as a team. > > > >Just like with the quality of decks, national pride > no longer exists. It is > >no longer 1970, 1974, or 1978. Players focus more > on making money playing > >for foreign leagues. They do not give crap about > national teams. > > > >Bettega, Zoff, even Rossi, these are the names of > the past, just like Zibi > >Boniek who used to play for Juventus, and score > goals for Poland ("20"). > >This world cup is something different. It is > "bizzare", just like NAKS > built > >in Taiwan, and as far as I am concerned, SENEGAL > should win !!!! > > > >You are Italian, who was the best in your league - > an Aregntinian? .... I > >will not say he, he, he ... He was, and you will > agree. You decided to > biuld > >monumets to thank him - Florence? USA against > football's g-7 is like a > joke, > >it is like a Ukraine against NBA best ... But you > know what, these Boys who > >everyone considers loosers, have hearts and spirit > and they can do it. > >Italians, Poles, Portugese, French, Argentineans - > they are all about > >personal finance - you tell me who will win the WC > - S E N E G A L ... > > > >Stan > > > >P.S. Would you like a bet? > >If Italy wins the World Cup, you pick a NAK deck > you want to buy on e-Bay > >and I give you $300. If it does not, you send me > $100 cheque ... Until > >then, you do not mention sub-par macaroni team ... > This bet is not valid > >should Italy loose with South Korea within the next > few hours. If you are > >on, 12 hours to confirm (12:45 am Chicago) ... > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Ezio > >Sent: Mon, June 17, 2002 10:21 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Decks (Made in > Japan.....) > > > > > >The USA surge at the World Cup is quite a surprise > ... the goals scored > >have been of excellent quality . > >You lack in technique ... but good athletics > qualities . > >BEWARE ! ... now is going to become extremely TOUGH > ! ... the eights of > >final are for the BOSSES .... he he he he he > > > >I don't think you will regulate Germany the way you > regulated Mexico ! ... > >Italy can have reason of Germans (as usual) when > playing decently . > > > >ENJOY BEING AMONG THE FIRST 8 ! Enjoy and do not > get ''acid'' for the > >''sauer-krauts stuffing the hot-dogs'' ... he he he > he ;o) .. > > > >Ciao from a ''spaghetti guy'' wishing to be here > tonight as well and not > >being obliged to disappear ... after the match with > Korea .... > > > >Ezio Lucenti > > > >At 08:03 PM 6/17/02 -0700, you wrote: > > >So, we can feel confident that all ZX, ZXE, ZXL > and Dragon decks are pure > > >Japanese manufacture, correcto? How about the RX > decks, are they also > > >pure Japanese manufacture?? All parts and > assembly is a detail that we > > >may never fully determine. Perhaps the techy > amongst us can lend insight > > >into the parts and assembly discussion. > > > > > >Hey, what do you guys think about the USA surge > at World Cup? > > > > > > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/en/020617/2/140b.html > > > > > >Regards, > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jun 19 05:11:53 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B43@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3D0FD9D8.000007.00416@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D0FF673.39191481@snet.net> I had actually mailed the group a while back to see if I could be added to the tape... perhaps if there was enough room for a quick rendering of "Limehouse Blues" by Joe Pass at the end of side 2? Thanks, Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham NelsonFred MossPavelNikMisha (if he can... )Mark HugoSalim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough)TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) !Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: /Krusty/Temporary%20Items/nsmail2.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 19 05:13:22 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:13:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> Hi Ron, do you mind sharing your built in riaa preamp design with me? Thanks, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 0:08 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Wow... My system is completely apart, following a preamp > repair and pending some recabling and such. But for this, > I'll just hook up the CR-7 directly to either the CD > player or the TT (haven't made up my mind yet). > > Damon, please let me have your email so I can send you > my snail-mail address. > > John Smokevitch, please reply to this post with your > snail-mail address. > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > >The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > > >Carlos - OK ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 19 05:28:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: <15d3f31604d8.1604d815d3f3@indosat.net.id> Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > > > Graham Nelson > > Fred Moss > > Pavel > > Nik > > Misha (if he can... ) > > Mark Hugo > > Salim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough) > > TOM - Back to Puerto Rico > > > > IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. > > > > We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one > for Europe, > South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom > Siomopoulosfrom Australia. Do yuo need my address? > > > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Importance: High > > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with > excellentresults. Are all the members in the original list > interested ? > > > > The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. > > > > > > The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > > > Carlos - OK > > Bleus - OK > > John Tooley > > Damon Josz > > Ron > > John Smokevitch > > Rob Hamilton > > Stan Targowsky > > Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! > > Kent Merideth > > Harshad Khatri > > Michael De Wire > > Eddy Pollet > > Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > > > > Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in > order to > notify him about your receiving address. > > > > RULES: > > > > 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. > > 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better > > 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top > > 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days > > 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! > > 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus > > 7- Enjoy it ! > > > > While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is > gone . > > > > Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jun 19 06:15:20 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:15:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates Message-ID: Ed - That's a decision to be made by El Magnifico, seems that there will be some available magnetic tape on both M-Tapes. Salim - Not a problem with music copyrights, no one can prove that we actually are redistributing the music for commercial use or profit. Hey, NakTalk is a non-profit anyway, an honorable for the benefit of mankind organisation. Just to be safe, I'll post all the music track titles in translated Spanish language! That should have El Magnifico laughing profusely!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:53:27 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2366 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:53 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE - --------------54425FB1DD767AF490D442AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had actually mailed the group a while back to see if I could be added to the tape... perhaps if there was enough room for a quick rendering of "Limehouse Blues" by Joe Pass at the end of side 2? Thanks, Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham NelsonFred MossPavelNikMisha (if he can... )Mark HugoSalim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough)TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) !Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:30 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2366 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 19 06:37:26 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:37:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3D100A86.393DE709@rcn.com> Salim, my built-in phono preamp is not self built. It consists of the PCB that I cannibalized from a Creek OBH-8 phono stage -- please don't tell Stephen... I know of his contempt for Creek products (that I partially share). The phono stage is powered from the TT power supply, so it's only ON when the table is rotating. On the back burner I have plans to build an op-amp based phono stage to replace the Creek -- hopefully, with better sound quality. I downloaded a schematic that looked good to me from the web and will be happy to share it with you if I can only find it... Have a good night, -- Ron smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > Hi Ron, do you mind sharing your built in riaa preamp design with me? > > Thanks, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 0:08 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > > Wow... My system is completely apart, following a preamp > > repair and pending some recabling and such. But for this, > > I'll just hook up the CR-7 directly to either the CD > > player or the TT (haven't made up my mind yet). > > > > Damon, please let me have your email so I can send you > > my snail-mail address. > > > > John Smokevitch, please reply to this post with your > > snail-mail address. > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > >The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > > > > >Carlos - OK > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jun 19 06:44:13 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:44:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 Message-ID: A couple years ago, I sent El Magnifico a cool black Nakamichi T-Shirt, now he gets my Nak RX505, what will he want next? My entire shelf of Maxell cassettes, recorded with my complete Chicago Blues anthology collection?? I'll do most anything for my good friend, but hey, giving up my RX505 and cassettes is a difficult proposition ! Seriously, I grabbed an extremely clean ZX7 recently, use that now for serious recording, esp when exchanging with others (as most of you know, the ZX7 has calibration and azimuth recording adjustments galore). My beloved RX-505 is reserved for at home record/playback activities now (you know, the convenience of true Nak autoreverse at my fingertips is something I savor most every day in my computer/music studio). Occasionally, I will use my RX505 to exchange music with a good friend who also has an RX505, he lives nearby in the Chicago, IL USA suburbs. We have plans to spec and calibrate our RX505's together this summer. It will be a NakFest kind of gathering, good music, brews, cookout. Wifey will go on a weekend roadtrip or something so we can crank up our more cherished rock & roll blues tunes on the quad Marantz audio system here. Anyone else want to fly into Madison for NakFest? Rock on, you crazy NakTalkers..... Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:46:41 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2365 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:11:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "El Magnifico" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) He send it to me with compliments from Bleus ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:17:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? Stan ----- End Original Message----- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Wed Jun 19 11:48:26 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:48:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Message-ID: <229843F00058F94E9D836D36816FDF637EF9CC@cscmx1.colbys.local> On the way of addresses, Damon Josz 7 Alpine Ct Sunapee NH 03782 Great job on the web page for a status report.... -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico Sent: Tue 6/18/2002 9:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE By the way, : NO DOLBY PLEASE ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 04:08:13 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Wow... My system is completely apart, following a preamp repair and pending some recabling and such. But for this, I'll just hook up the CR-7 directly to either the CD player or the TT (haven't made up my mind yet). Damon, please let me have your email so I can send you my snail-mail address. John Smokevitch, please reply to this post with your snail-mail address. TIA, -- Ron >The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > >Carlos - OK >Bleus - OK >John Tooley >Damon Josz >Ron >John Smokevitch >Rob Hamilton >Stan Targowsky >Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! >Kent Merideth >Harshad Khatri >Michael De Wire >Eddy Pollet >Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > >Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner >in order to notify him about your receiving address. > >RULES: > >1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. >2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better >3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top >4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days >5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! >6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus >7- Enjoy it ! > >While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . > >Carlos ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From djosz at colby-sawyer.edu Wed Jun 19 11:54:23 2002 From: djosz at colby-sawyer.edu (Damon Josz) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 05:54:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M- TAPE> J.Tooley Message-ID: <229843F00058F94E9D836D36816FDF637EF9CD@cscmx1.colbys.local> John,did you get an address update? Damon Josz 7 Alpine Ct Sunapee NH 03782 -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley Sent: Tue 6/18/2002 1:40 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Bleus, do you need my address? John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OK Bleus - OK John Tooley Damon Josz Ron John Smokevitch Rob Hamilton Stan Targowsky Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! Kent Merideth Harshad Khatri Michael De Wire Eddy Pollet Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus 7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 8381 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Wed Jun 19 15:40:34 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:40:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBF5A@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hi NTr's, I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider replacing w/fresh recordings? Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening in'. regards all, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 19 16:11:27 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:11:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) References: Message-ID: <001301c2179b$34f36010$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> Good job K.J. Great idea having our own little web space. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) > Howdy to my Nak Marathon Tape friends..... > > How about all the M-Tape 1 recorders (presumably all from the western hemisphere) email me with their full snailmail address and deck model, and I'll add that to the list (which will be created in MS Excel spreadsheet). Then as each of you complete your recording, you can email me details that you added to the snailmail M-Tape list. I will transpose that info onto the Marathon Tape webpage (introduced below in uncompleted condition): > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > As soon as I get the info, I'll prepare a list and get M-Tape 1 rolling onward to John Tooley. Graham, kindly provide me with the info for M-Tape 2 (Euro/Asia recorders) and I'll incorporate that all into the webpage. > > And away we go..... > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:58:49 > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2360 > > ------------------------------ > > >>> copytec at coqui.net 06/18/02 10:01AM >>> > > Hello: > > The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested? > > The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. > > > The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > Carlos - OK > Bleus - OK > John Tooley > Damon Josz > Ron > John Smokevitch > Rob Hamilton > Stan Targowsky > Johnny Walker > Kent Merideth > Harshad Khatri > Michael De Wire > Eddy Pollet > Roland Alford - back to Carlos in Puerto Rico > > Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. > > RULES: > > 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. > 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better > 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top > 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days > 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! > 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus > 7- Enjoy it ! > > While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . > > Carlos > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2360 > ****************************** > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 19 16:14:20 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:14:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) References: Message-ID: <002201c2179b$9b8bdf00$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> My unseen ZXL 700 is still with Stephen so my tape quota will be via my ReVox B215, which ain't to shabby. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) > ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 5:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) > > > Howdy to my Nak Marathon Tape friends..... > > How about all the M-Tape 1 recorders (presumably all from the western > hemisphere) email me with their full snailmail address and deck model, and > I'll add that to the list (which will be created in MS Excel spreadsheet). > Then as each of you complete your recording, you can email me details that > you added to the snailmail M-Tape list. I will transpose that info onto the > Marathon Tape webpage (introduced below in uncompleted condition): > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > As soon as I get the info, I'll prepare a list and get M-Tape 1 rolling > onward to John Tooley. Graham, kindly provide me with the info for M-Tape 2 > (Euro/Asia recorders) and I'll incorporate that all into the webpage. > > And away we go..... > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:58:49 > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 18 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2360 > > ------------------------------ > > >>> copytec at coqui.net 06/18/02 10:01AM >>> > > Hello: > > The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent > results. Are all the members in the original list interested? > > The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. > > > The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > Carlos - OK > Bleus - OK > John Tooley > Damon Josz > Ron > John Smokevitch > Rob Hamilton > Stan Targowsky > Johnny Walker > Kent Merideth > Harshad Khatri > Michael De Wire > Eddy Pollet > Roland Alford - back to Carlos in Puerto Rico > > Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to > notify him about your receiving address. > > RULES: > > 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. > 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better > 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top > 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days > 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! > 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus > 7- Enjoy it ! > > While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . > > Carlos > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2360 > ****************************** > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 19 16:28:06 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> <3D100A86.393DE709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <007101c2179d$87eee580$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> I have a pretty rare Davis - Brinton preamp. from the early 70's that has a schematic included. These were the rave of the Boston Audio Society in their day. This external preamp. is also for sale if anybody here is interested. John P.S. Davis of MIT, DBX fame. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Salim, my built-in phono preamp is not self built. It > consists of the PCB that I cannibalized from a Creek > OBH-8 phono stage -- please don't tell Stephen... I > know of his contempt for Creek products (that I > partially share). The phono stage is powered from the > TT power supply, so it's only ON when the table is > rotating. > > On the back burner I have plans to build an op-amp > based phono stage to replace the Creek -- hopefully, > with better sound quality. I downloaded a schematic > that looked good to me from the web and will be happy > to share it with you if I can only find it... > > Have a good night, > > -- Ron > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > > Hi Ron, do you mind sharing your built in riaa preamp design with me? > > > > Thanks, > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 0:08 am > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > > > > > Wow... My system is completely apart, following a preamp > > > repair and pending some recabling and such. But for this, > > > I'll just hook up the CR-7 directly to either the CD > > > player or the TT (haven't made up my mind yet). > > > > > > Damon, please let me have your email so I can send you > > > my snail-mail address. > > > > > > John Smokevitch, please reply to this post with your > > > snail-mail address. > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > >The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > > > > > > >Carlos - OK > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 19 16:22:54 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:22:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15d3f31604d8.1604d815d3f3@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <006301c2179c$cdb47d10$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> That would also kill any interest in the web site. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / > dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. > > On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some > copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying > regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the > titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > > that goes > > like this: > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson > > > > Fred Moss > > > > Pavel > > > > Nik > > > > Misha (if he can... ) > > > > Mark Hugo > > > > Salim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough) > > > > TOM - Back to Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. > > > > > > > > We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one > > for Europe, > > South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 > > > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > > > > > Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom > > Siomopoulosfrom Australia. Do yuo need my address? > > > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > Importance: High > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > > > > > The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with > > excellentresults. Are all the members in the original list > > interested ? > > > > > > > > The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. > > > > > > > > > > > > The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > > > > > > > Carlos - OK > > > > Bleus - OK > > > > John Tooley > > > > Damon Josz > > > > Ron > > > > John Smokevitch > > > > Rob Hamilton > > > > Stan Targowsky > > > > Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > Harshad Khatri > > > > Michael De Wire > > > > Eddy Pollet > > > > Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > > > > > > > > Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in > > order to > > notify him about your receiving address. > > > > > > > > RULES: > > > > > > > > 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. > > > > 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better > > > > 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top > > > > 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days > > > > 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! > > > > 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus > > > > 7- Enjoy it ! > > > > > > > > While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is > > gone . > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Wed Jun 19 16:35:55 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:35:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBF5B@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> hi NTr's, I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider replacing w/fresh recordings? Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening in'. Had some trouble sending earlier in case of any redundancy. regards all, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 19 16:35:51 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:35:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M- TAPE> J.Tooley References: <229843F00058F94E9D836D36816FDF637EF9CD@cscmx1.colbys.local> Message-ID: <00a201c2179e$9ce28e00$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> Thank you, noted. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Josz" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] M- TAPE> J.Tooley > John,did you get an address update? > Damon Josz > 7 Alpine Ct > Sunapee NH > 03782 > > -----Original Message----- > From: John M. Tooley > Sent: Tue 6/18/2002 1:40 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > Bleus, do you need my address? > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:01 AM > Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > Hello: > > The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with > excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? > The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. > > > The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > Carlos - OK > Bleus - OK > John Tooley > Damon Josz > Ron > John Smokevitch > Rob Hamilton > Stan Targowsky > Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! > Kent Merideth > Harshad Khatri > Michael De Wire > Eddy Pollet > Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > > Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to > notify him about your receiving address. > > RULES: > > 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. > 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better > 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top > 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days > 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! > 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus > 7- Enjoy it ! > > While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . > > Carlos > > ____________________________________________________ > > IncrediMail - > Email has finally evolved - Click Here > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 19 17:16:55 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:16:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBF5B@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3D10A067.E4743690@rcn.com> "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > > hi NTr's, > I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since > the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how > long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider > replacing w/fresh recordings? > Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on > before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell > hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening > in'. Had some trouble sending earlier in case of any redundancy. > regards all, > andy I still have tapes recorded in the mid to late 70s (on my original Nak 700) that still sound respectable. They have not been cared for at all -- they have simply been sitting in a drawer between (rare) playing. I only store cassettes after playing -- never after FF or REW. If anything, they sound better than on the original deck (but then, my equipment at the time wasn't quite as good as my current system). None of these have ever became bad -- unlike quite a few prerecorded cassettes from that era and later. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 19 17:59:24 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:59:24 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> <3D100A86.393DE709@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001401c217aa$48c2cb80$ca299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Ron, which one do you think sounds 'better': internal creek or denon's phono amp? Is there any power supply related problem / hum etc in putting preamp inside the table? Good night (it is now, over here =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Salim, my built-in phono preamp is not self built. It consists of the PCB that I cannibalized from a Creek OBH-8 phono stage -- please don't tell Stephen... I know of his contempt for Creek products (that I partially share). The phono stage is powered from the TT power supply, so it's only ON when the table is rotating. On the back burner I have plans to build an op-amp based phono stage to replace the Creek -- hopefully, with better sound quality. I downloaded a schematic that looked good to me from the web and will be happy to share it with you if I can only find it... Have a good night, -- Ron smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 19 18:21:07 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:21:07 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15d3f31604d8.1604d815d3f3@indosat.net.id> <006301c2179c$cdb47d10$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <000a01c217ad$53712420$a9299bca@smarzuki> Well, just don't want to get naksters into trouble, especially you guys in the US ... land of lawyers. ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE That would also kill any interest in the web site. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / > dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. > > On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some > copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying > regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the > titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico copytec at coqui.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Wed Jun 19 20:12:15 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 14:12:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player Message-ID: <11FEA3F7.27AD974C.032C04E1@netscape.net> Dear Naktalkers, Do you by any chance know this unit? Can you say anything good/bad about it? And mostly to Stephen: what do you think is it worth to take this player for free with some defect (not specified)? Thank you in advance. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Jun 19 20:40:40 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:40:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player In-Reply-To: <11FEA3F7.27AD974C.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619203616.00a02820@box.tin.it> I have 1 and it is a good unit but it has some troubles with mechanics when loading and off-loading the CDs . This is ABSOLUTELY ORDINARY AND FREQUENT with these units .... YOU MUST KNOW A NAKAMICHI REPAIR CENTRE if you own one of them ... you will be forced (like me right now) to have them repaired in the belts (substituted) loading the CDs or the magnetic mechanics holding the CDs inside the bank. All of above in my humble opinion , but I own a CD Player 3 since it was on the market and it is supposed I know it very well .... he he he he ... By The Way ... Nicholas ... are you from Europe or US ? I am from Italy (Venice) Ezio Lucenti At 02:12 PM 6/19/02 -0400, you wrote: >Dear Naktalkers, > >Do you by any chance know this unit? Can you say anything good/bad about it? > >And mostly to Stephen: what do you think is it worth to take this player >for free with some defect (not specified)? > >Thank you in advance. > >Nicholas. > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. >Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! >http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Jun 19 20:50:17 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:50:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <3D0FD762.000001.00416@CopyTech> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619204330.00a30950@box.tin.it> Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on eBay) ... The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder .... I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... What should I investigate first ? How can I check the azimuth, bias, pitch etc. auto-regulations ? Should I first clean with cotton and isopropilic alcohol the heads ? Should I de-magnetize the heads (which of them ?) with the demagnetizer ? Please, drive me in the first steps ... till today I have owned only an LX-5 .... Thanks Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 22:20:27 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:20:27 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15d3f31604d8.1604d815d3f3@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3D10E78B.000001.00616@CopyTech> You violate the copyright law when you "sell or charge for any material without giving royalties to the author, singer, producer etc ..." Since this action has no economical purposes, we are completely clear, otherwise we have been guilty of copyright infrigement since we bought our first recorder ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 14:44:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > > > Graham Nelson > > Fred Moss > > Pavel > > Nik > > Misha (if he can... ) > > Mark Hugo > > Salim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough) > > TOM - Back to Puerto Rico > > > > IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. > > > > We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one > for Europe, > South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom > Siomopoulosfrom Australia. Do yuo need my address? > > > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Importance: High > > > > > > > > Hello: > > > > The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with > excellentresults. Are all the members in the original list > interested ? > > > > The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. > > > > > > The receiving order of the first leg is the following: > > > > Carlos - OK > > Bleus - OK > > John Tooley > > Damon Josz > > Ron > > John Smokevitch > > Rob Hamilton > > Stan Targowsky > > Johnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) ! > > Kent Merideth > > Harshad Khatri > > Michael De Wire > > Eddy Pollet > > Roland Alford - back to Puerto Rico > > > > Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in > order to > notify him about your receiving address. > > > > RULES: > > > > 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks. > > 2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better > > 3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top > > 4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days > > 5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!! > > 6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus > > 7- Enjoy it ! > > > > While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is > gone . > > > > Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 22:22:41 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:22:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 References: Message-ID: <3D10E811.000004.00616@CopyTech> I'll be there Bleus. Perhaps I can use your dog house as Motel ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 15:44:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 A couple years ago, I sent El Magnifico a cool black Nakamichi T-Shirt, now he gets my Nak RX505, what will he want next? My entire shelf of Maxell cassettes, recorded with my complete Chicago Blues anthology collection?? I ll do most anything for my good friend, but hey, giving up my RX505 and cassettes is a difficult proposition ! Seriously, I grabbed an extremely clean ZX7 recently, use that now for serious recording, esp when exchanging with others (as most of you know, the ZX7 has calibration and azimuth recording adjustments galore). My beloved RX-505 is reserved for at home record/playback activities now (you know, the convenience of true Nak autoreverse at my fingertips is something I savor most every day in my computer/music studio). Occasionally, I will use my RX505 to exchange music with a good friend who also has an RX505, he lives nearby in the Chicago, IL USA suburbs. We have plans to spec and calibrate our RX505's together this summer. It will be a NakFest kind of gathering, good music, brews, cookout. Wifey will go on a weekend roadtrip or something so we can crank up our more cherished rock & roll blues tunes on the quad Marantz audio system here. Anyone else want to fly into Madison for NakFest? Rock on, you crazy NakTalkers..... Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:46:41 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2365 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:11:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "El Magnifico" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) He send it to me with compliments from Bleus ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:17:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? Stan ----- End Original Message----- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 22:29:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:29:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619204330.00a30950@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D10E9B4.000007.00616@CopyTech> Congratulations on your new ZXL. Just be prepared with your check book aside You'll be using it very soon, I guarantee you that ... A very fine animal but too prone to problems. Too much things happening at the same time. Otherwise, it is one of the best sounding machines I've ever heard, including the 1000 ZXL. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 05:49:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on eBay) ... The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder .. . I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... What should I investigate first ? How can I check the azimuth, bias, pitch etc. auto-regulations ? Should I first clean with cotton and isopropilic alcohol the heads ? Should I de-magnetize the heads (which of them ?) with the demagnetizer ? Please, drive me in the first steps ... till today I have owned only an LX-5 .... Thanks Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 22:35:18 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:35:18 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates References: Message-ID: <3D10EB06.00000D.00616@CopyTech> Hey Bleus: I love the page ! Thanks for your efforts in this saga. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 15:14:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates Ed - That's a decision to be made by El Magnifico, seems that there will be some available magnetic tape on both M-Tapes. Salim - Not a problem with music copyrights, no one can prove that we actually are redistributing the music for commercial use or profit. Hey, NakTalk is a non-profit anyway, an honorable for the benefit of mankind organisation. Just to be safe, I'll post all the music track titles in translated Spanish language! That should have El Magnifico laughing profusely!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:53:27 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2366 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:53 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE - --------------54425FB1DD767AF490D442AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had actually mailed the group a while back to see if I could be added to the tape... perhaps if there was enough room for a quick rendering of "Limehouse Blues" by Joe Pass at the end of side 2? Thanks, Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham NelsonFred MossPavelNikMisha (if he can... )Mark HugoSalim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough)TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) !Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:30 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2366 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Jun 19 21:40:30 2002 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:40:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] NakFest 2002 Message-ID: If there's going be a Nakfest, when do you plan on having it? >From: "The BlueSwapper" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com >Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:44:13 -0700 > >A couple years ago, I sent El Magnifico a cool black Nakamichi T-Shirt, now >he gets my Nak RX505, what will he want next? My entire shelf of Maxell >cassettes, recorded with my complete Chicago Blues anthology collection?? >I'll do most anything for my good friend, but hey, giving up my RX505 and >cassettes is a difficult proposition ! > >Seriously, I grabbed an extremely clean ZX7 recently, use that now for >serious recording, esp when exchanging with others (as most of you know, >the ZX7 has calibration and azimuth recording adjustments galore). My >beloved RX-505 is reserved for at home record/playback activities now (you >know, the convenience of true Nak autoreverse at my fingertips is something >I savor most every day in my computer/music studio). Occasionally, I will >use my RX505 to exchange music with a good friend who also has an RX505, he >lives nearby in the Chicago, IL USA suburbs. We have plans to spec and >calibrate our RX505's together this summer. It will be a NakFest kind of >gathering, good music, brews, cookout. Wifey will go on a weekend roadtrip >or something so we can crank up our more cherished rock & roll blues tunes >on the quad Marantz audio system here. Anyone else want to fly into >Madison for NakFest? > >Rock on, you crazy NakTalkers..... > >Best regards, > >K.J. Bleus _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 19 21:37:14 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:37:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 References: <3D10E811.000004.00616@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002c01c217c8$b7475a80$7a756acf@johnnyrotten> That's where his wife has him sleep. ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 I'll be there Bleus. Perhaps I can use your dog house as Motel ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 15:44:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 A couple years ago, I sent El Magnifico a cool black Nakamichi T-Shirt, now he gets my Nak RX505, what will he want next? My entire shelf of Maxell cassettes, recorded with my complete Chicago Blues anthology collection?? I'll do most anything for my good friend, but hey, giving up my RX505 and cassettes is a difficult proposition ! Seriously, I grabbed an extremely clean ZX7 recently, use that now for serious recording, esp when exchanging with others (as most of you know, the ZX7 has calibration and azimuth recording adjustments galore). My beloved RX-505 is reserved for at home record/playback activities now (you know, the convenience of true Nak autoreverse at my fingertips is something I savor most every day in my computer/music studio). Occasionally, I will use my RX505 to exchange music with a good friend who also has an RX505, he lives nearby in the Chicago, IL USA suburbs. We have plans to spec and calibrate our RX505's together this summer. It will be a NakFest kind of gathering, good music, brews, cookout. Wifey will go on a weekend roadtrip or something so we can crank up our more cherished rock & roll blues tunes on the quad Marantz audio system here. Anyone else want to fly into Madison for NakFest? Rock on, you crazy NakTalkers..... Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:46:41 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2365 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:11:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "El Magnifico" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) He send it to me with compliments from Bleus ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:17:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? Stan ----- End Original Message----- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 19 22:31:10 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:31:10 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates References: Message-ID: <3D10EA0E.00000A.00616@CopyTech> It all depends of space availability. We have to wait a little bit, Ed. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 15:14:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates Ed - That's a decision to be made by El Magnifico, seems that there will be some available magnetic tape on both M-Tapes. Salim - Not a problem with music copyrights, no one can prove that we actually are redistributing the music for commercial use or profit. Hey, NakTalk is a non-profit anyway, an honorable for the benefit of mankind organisation. Just to be safe, I'll post all the music track titles in translated Spanish language! That should have El Magnifico laughing profusely!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:53:27 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2366 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:53 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE - --------------54425FB1DD767AF490D442AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had actually mailed the group a while back to see if I could be added to the tape... perhaps if there was enough room for a quick rendering of "Limehouse Blues" by Joe Pass at the end of side 2? Thanks, Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham NelsonFred MossPavelNikMisha (if he can... )Mark HugoSalim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough)TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) !Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:30 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2366 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Jun 19 22:03:25 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:03:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Madison, WI] I was just there last month ... Pretty nice state capitol. Drove to Lake Geneva, found not much to do there, decided to keep going on to Wisconsin Dells - much more fun. Had lunch/dinner in Madison, forgot the name of the place, but was pretty good. So, when is Nakfest? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Tue, June 18, 2002 11:44 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 A couple years ago, I sent El Magnifico a cool black Nakamichi T-Shirt, now he gets my Nak RX505, what will he want next? My entire shelf of Maxell cassettes, recorded with my complete Chicago Blues anthology collection?? I'll do most anything for my good friend, but hey, giving up my RX505 and cassettes is a difficult proposition ! Seriously, I grabbed an extremely clean ZX7 recently, use that now for serious recording, esp when exchanging with others (as most of you know, the ZX7 has calibration and azimuth recording adjustments galore). My beloved RX-505 is reserved for at home record/playback activities now (you know, the convenience of true Nak autoreverse at my fingertips is something I savor most every day in my computer/music studio). Occasionally, I will use my RX505 to exchange music with a good friend who also has an RX505, he lives nearby in the Chicago, IL USA suburbs. We have plans to spec and calibrate our RX505's together this summer. It will be a NakFest kind of gathering, good music, brews, cookout. Wifey will go on a weekend roadtrip or something so we can crank up our more cherished rock & roll blues tunes on the quad Marantz audio system here. Anyone else want to fly into Madison for NakFest? Rock on, you crazy NakTalkers..... Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 03:46:41 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2365 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:11:08 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) From: "El Magnifico" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) He send it to me with compliments from Bleus ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:17:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) ZX-7? What has happened to your dear RX-505? Stan ----- End Original Message----- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Jun 19 23:01:50 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:01:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <3D10E9B4.000007.00616@CopyTech> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619204330.00a30950@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619230112.00a04ec0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Re [naktalk] Suggestions to a .gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 19 23:31:01 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:31:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... In-Reply-To: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBF5A@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <003901c217d8$9bdcaa60$6dac87d9@a4s1s2> I'll be interested to hear what others say about this. However, I have some old Memorex Chrome' tapes from the 1970s and they are still playable (though not on the ZX9!!!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 19 June 2002 02:41 PM To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... hi NTr's, I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider replacing w/fresh recordings? Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening in'. regards all, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Jun 19 23:37:38 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:37:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: <013b01c1bb07$5aa08900$5d756acf@john5my2w9iyeb> Message-ID: <3D10F9A2.1040207@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 19 23:44:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:44:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) In-Reply-To: <001301c2179b$34f36010$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <003a01c217da$76553440$6dac87d9@a4s1s2> I'll 2nd that - well done! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 19 June 2002 03:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Marathon Tape (M-Tape 1 Status) Good job K.J. Great idea having our own little web space. John - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jun 19 23:49:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:49:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> <3D100A86.393DE709@rcn.com> <001401c217aa$48c2cb80$ca299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D10FC6B.A6A57B37@rcn.com> Salim, First -- this is not an 'internal' preamp. I simply bought a OBH-8 preamp, removed the PCB and installed it the TT. In my case, there is no problem with hum or noise. There is slight hash with full volume and the ear next to the speaker, but if I tried to play at such a level, I would blow the speakers for sure. At normal listening volume, the hash is totally inaudible. The preamp is mounted as far as possible from the power transformer and as close as possible to the signal leads coming from the cartridge. This worked fine for a few years. Then, some hum intermittently appeared in one of the channels. It's difficult to pinpoint, since it comes and goes. I doubt its related to the preamp itself. As to sound quality, the Creek phono stage is quite decent, but by no means esoteric high end. My Denon pre/pro doesn't have a phono stage, which is why I use the Creek. Unless I replace the Denon pre/pro with one that does have a phono stage (the Integra pre/pro comes to mind, but it's $4K and the sonic improvement, if any, is nil) I will eventually build this op-amp based preamp I mentioned earlier. This will allow me to put the Creek PCB back in its enclosure and sell it. For some reason, demand for OBH-8s is high. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thanks Ron, which one do you think sounds 'better': internal creek or > denon's phono amp? Is there any power supply related problem / hum etc in > putting preamp inside the table? > > Good night (it is now, over here =) > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > Salim, my built-in phono preamp is not self built. It > consists of the PCB that I cannibalized from a Creek > OBH-8 phono stage -- please don't tell Stephen... I > know of his contempt for Creek products (that I > partially share). The phono stage is powered from the > TT power supply, so it's only ON when the table is > rotating. > > On the back burner I have plans to build an op-amp > based phono stage to replace the Creek -- hopefully, > with better sound quality. I downloaded a schematic > that looked good to me from the web and will be happy > to share it with you if I can only find it... > > Have a good night, > > -- Ron > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jun 20 00:28:59 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:28:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ezio, I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a auto-calibrate. If probem persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you fix the problem, that is one fine machine! Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on eBay) ... The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder .... I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... What should I investigate first ? How can I check the azimuth, bias, pitch etc. auto-regulations ? Should I first clean with cotton and isopropilic alcohol the heads ? Should I de-magnetize the heads (which of them ?) with the demagnetizer ? Please, drive me in the first steps ... till today I have owned only an LX-5 .... Thanks Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Ezio At 08:28 AM 6/20/02 +1000, you wrote: >Hi Ezio, > > I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a > auto-calibrate. If probem persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you fix > the problem, that is one fine machine! > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] >Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > >Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on >eBay) ... >The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder .... >I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have >the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source >everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape >(while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... > >What should I investigate first ? >How can I check the azimuth, bias, pitch etc. auto-regulations ? >Should I first clean with cotton and isopropilic alcohol the heads ? >Should I de-magnetize the heads (which of them ?) with the demagnetizer ? > >Please, drive me in the first steps ... till today I have owned only an >LX-5 .... > >Thanks > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 01:38:14 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:38:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620012040.00a020e0@box.tin.it> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca .nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013725.00a35470@box.tin.it> NO it started again .... I start a cycle of tests .... starting from auto-calibrate ... I am going to try to study the manual . Ezio At 01:21 AM 6/20/02 +0200, you wrote: >Thanks it was only DIRTY ! .... I have cleaned with cotton sticks + >alcohol 99.9% and everything is going fine . > >Same levels great sound ! > >Ezio > >At 08:28 AM 6/20/02 +1000, you wrote: >>Hi Ezio, >> >> I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a >> auto-calibrate. If probem persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you >> fix the problem, that is one fine machine! >> >> Regards Tom Siomopoulos. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] >>Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... >> >> >> >> >>Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on >>eBay) ... >>The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder >>.... >>I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have >>the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source >>everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape >>(while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... >> >>What should I investigate first ? >>How can I check the azimuth, bias, pitch etc. auto-regulations ? >>Should I first clean with cotton and isopropilic alcohol the heads ? >>Should I de-magnetize the heads (which of them ?) with the demagnetizer ? >> >>Please, drive me in the first steps ... till today I have owned only an >>LX-5 .... >> >>Thanks >> >>Sincerely >> >>Ezio Lucenti >> >>Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 02:00:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:00:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15d3f31604d8.1604d815d3f3@indosat.net.id> <3D10E78B.000001.00616@CopyTech> Message-ID: <011701c217ed$8f0ee040$af299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Bleus & Carlos! Please let me know when the second leg has start running. Let's hope England wins on friday so that the tape would leave UK intact. =) Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:20 AM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE You violate the copyright law when you "sell or charge for any material without giving royalties to the author, singer, producer etc ..." Since this action has no economical purposes, we are completely clear, otherwise we have been guilty of copyright infrigement since we bought our first recorder ! Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jun 20 01:49:12 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:49:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes Message-ID: I have an RX-505 that is pretty close to reference alignment but would like to confirm with alignment tapes. I found a site that sells cassette alignment tapes. The tapes are made by EMTEC and sold on JRF Magnetics online. The have all of the usual tapes for frequency response Ferric and Chrome, Azimuth, Dolby tracking, Level, and WF/Speed. Can anyone confirm if these tapes would be OK for Nakamichi decks or do you have to use specifically Nakamichi alignment tapes at what I am sure would be more expensive, if they can still be purchased. Thanks, Michael E DeWire ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Jun 20 01:49:39 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:49:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca .nec.com.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013725.00a35470@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <00d001c217eb$f9f0b390$3db5b742@pii366custom> Ezio, If it's intermittent it's also possible one of your switches could be dirty. Try moving all the switches frequently back and forth a few times and see if the problem disappears (at least for a while) If it tends to go away and then retun, there is a good chance something you are doing is making happen such as putting a dirty switch into place. Since it's a three head deck it shouldn't be hard to determine if this is the culprit and which (if any) switch is causing it as you can use the monitor function. Of course cleaning (most) switches are not that hard if you have the confidence and right tools and lubricant. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 02:05:37 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:05:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... References: <003901c217d8$9bdcaa60$6dac87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <013801c217ee$3523f740$af299bca@smarzuki> Keep it off your ZX ... I've been using my one and only memorex CrO2 tape to 'grind' misshaped heads with good results! The 70s maxells & tdks still going great though. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:31 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] shelf life... I'll be interested to hear what others say about this. However, I have some old Memorex Chrome' tapes from the 1970s and they are still playable (though not on the ZX9!!!) Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Dundis, Andy Sent: 19 June 2002 02:41 PM To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... hi NTr's, I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider replacing w/fresh recordings? Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening in'. regards all, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 02:15:06 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:15:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <014201c217ef$884f0da0$af299bca@smarzuki> I believe that 'strange sound' on left channel is some orange caps waving goodbye. =) If you're also adventurous with solders, one good practice is to replace all orange caps in sight and roughly half of your problem is gone. Make sure you've tried the auto a/b/l/e more than once for the -3db problem. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:28 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Hi Ezio, I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a auto-calibrate. If probem persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you fix the problem, that is one fine machine! Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on eBay) ... The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder .... I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 02:25:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:25:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013725.00a35470@box.tin.it> <00d001c217eb$f9f0b390$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <015701c217f1$11b00260$af299bca@smarzuki> Oops, you're right ! Make sure every contacts are glitch-free, heads cleaned, battery replaced etc before taking the orange caps routine. Tape monitor switch & volume pots are usually the problem for a sudden & intermittent loss on rec/pb level. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Ezio, If it's intermittent it's also possible one of your switches could be dirty. Try moving all the switches frequently back and forth a few times and see if the problem disappears (at least for a while) If it tends to go away and then retun, there is a good chance something you are doing is making happen such as putting a dirty switch into place. Since it's a three head deck it shouldn't be hard to determine if this is the culprit and which (if any) switch is causing it as you can use the monitor function. Of course cleaning (most) switches are not that hard if you have the confidence and right tools and lubricant. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:52:19 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2374 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:37:14 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 That's where his wife has him sleep. ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 I'll be there Bleus. Perhaps I can use your dog house as Motel ! Carlos ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2374 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 20 02:32:23 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:32:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE References: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> <3D100A86.393DE709@rcn.com> <001401c217aa$48c2cb80$ca299bca@smarzuki> <3D10FC6B.A6A57B37@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D112297.5680D35D@rcn.com> Here I am, replying to my own post... Salim, Just found that phono stage schematic. Take a look here: http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/xentar/1179/projects/aaphono/aaphono.html Looks good. A thoughtful design, even though I disagree about the output capacitor. I'd much rather get rid of the output caps and add offset null adjustments. I'd also go with the AOP2134 and increase supply voltages to +/- 18V. If you want something 'cheap and dirty', also take a look at: http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm This design uses two stages of amplification per channel and splits the low end equalization between them. Otherwise, it's similar, though it doesn't have esoteric high-end pretension of the first circuit. It's guaranteed to have higher noise, too, so replacing with a lower noise op-amp is a good idea, -- Ron Ron wrote: > > Salim, > > First -- this is not an 'internal' preamp. I simply bought > a OBH-8 preamp, removed the PCB and installed it the TT. > > In my case, there is no problem with hum or noise. There > is slight hash with full volume and the ear next to the > speaker, but if I tried to play at such a level, I would > blow the speakers for sure. At normal listening volume, > the hash is totally inaudible. The preamp is mounted as > far as possible from the power transformer and as close > as possible to the signal leads coming from the cartridge. > This worked fine for a few years. Then, some hum > intermittently appeared in one of the channels. It's > difficult to pinpoint, since it comes and goes. I doubt > its related to the preamp itself. > > As to sound quality, the Creek phono stage is quite decent, > but by no means esoteric high end. My Denon pre/pro doesn't > have a phono stage, which is why I use the Creek. Unless I > replace the Denon pre/pro with one that does have a phono > stage (the Integra pre/pro comes to mind, but it's $4K and > the sonic improvement, if any, is nil) I will eventually > build this op-amp based preamp I mentioned earlier. This > will allow me to put the Creek PCB back in its enclosure > and sell it. For some reason, demand for OBH-8s is high. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Thanks Ron, which one do you think sounds 'better': internal creek or > > denon's phono amp? Is there any power supply related problem / hum etc in > > putting preamp inside the table? > > > > Good night (it is now, over here =) > > Salim SM > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > Salim, my built-in phono preamp is not self built. It > > consists of the PCB that I cannibalized from a Creek > > OBH-8 phono stage -- please don't tell Stephen... I > > know of his contempt for Creek products (that I > > partially share). The phono stage is powered from the > > TT power supply, so it's only ON when the table is > > rotating. > > > > On the back burner I have plans to build an op-amp > > based phono stage to replace the Creek -- hopefully, > > with better sound quality. I downloaded a schematic > > that looked good to me from the web and will be happy > > to share it with you if I can only find it... > > > > Have a good night, > > > > -- Ron > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 20 02:34:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:34:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player References: <11FEA3F7.27AD974C.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <016a01c217f2$4d63b620$453442cf@sank1> If you are referring to the "CD Player 3", it is an excellent unit. Very good sound(second only to the CDPlayer2) and hardly ever any problems beyond periodic need for the (easy) replacement of the tray drive belt. And it uses the pretty darn reliable & very inexpensive to replace Sony KSS-210 laser, in case it ever fails. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player > Dear Naktalkers, > > Do you by any chance know this unit? Can you say anything good/bad about it? > > And mostly to Stephen: what do you think is it worth to take this player for free with some defect (not specified)? > > Thank you in advance. > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Jun 20 02:37:16 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:37:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naks & NakFest 2002 Message-ID: Mark - NakFest started out as a jestful idea, but hey, maybe there's enough interest to try to get something going somewhere in the great lakes states USA region. Seems like alot of NakTalkers live in the central states USA. Perhaps this should be discussed further on NakTalk. Others interested? Who has space for a gathering?? Who has festival organizing skills??? Personally, I'd like to have NakFest during the winter months, down in Puerto Rico..... Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:52:19 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2374 >> >Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:40:30 -0600 >From: "Mark Exstedt" >Subject: [naktalk] NakFest 2002 > >If there's going be a Nakfest, when do you plan on having it? > >>From: "The BlueSwapper" >>Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>CC: blueswapper at angelfire.com >>Subject: [naktalk] Naks & NakFest 2002 >>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:44:13 -0700 >> >>A couple years ago, I sent El Magnifico a cool black Nakamichi T-Shirt, now >>he gets my Nak RX505, what will he want next? My entire shelf of Maxell >>cassettes, recorded with my complete Chicago Blues anthology collection?? >>I'll do most anything for my good friend, but hey, giving up my RX505 and >>cassettes is a difficult proposition ! >> >>Seriously, I grabbed an extremely clean ZX7 recently, use that now for >>serious recording, esp when exchanging with others (as most of you know, >>the ZX7 has calibration and azimuth recording adjustments galore). My >>beloved RX-505 is reserved for at home record/playback activities now (you >>know, the convenience of true Nak autoreverse at my fingertips is something >>I savor most every day in my computer/music studio). Occasionally, I will >>use my RX505 to exchange music with a good friend who also has an RX505, he >>lives nearby in the Chicago, IL USA suburbs. We have plans to spec and >>calibrate our RX505's together this summer. It will be a NakFest kind of >>gathering, good music, brews, cookout. Wifey will go on a weekend roadtrip >>or something so we can crank up our more cherished rock & roll blues tunes >>on the quad Marantz audio system here. Anyone else want to fly into >>Madison for NakFest? >> >>Rock on, you crazy NakTalkers..... >> >>Best regards, >> >>K.J. Bleus > > > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2374 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 20 02:39:36 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:39:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <014201c217ef$884f0da0$af299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <017401c217f2$f4ea1060$453442cf@sank1> Salim is most likely correct. Even if the problem has gone away after cleaning, it is just as likely as not that it is merely a "period of good behavior" for one or more of the dreaded orange film caps(in this case, on the pb dolby amp board), which are prone to intermittent behavior. Also, the tape/source monitor switch requires regular excersize(i.e., flipping it back & forth quickly a bunch of times every so often), as these particular switches are prone to oxidation. The strange noises you heard strongly suggest orange cap disease. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > I believe that 'strange sound' on left channel is some orange caps waving > goodbye. =) If you're also adventurous with solders, one good practice is > to replace all orange caps in sight and roughly half of your problem is > gone. Make sure you've tried the auto a/b/l/e more than once for the -3db > problem. > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:28 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > Hi Ezio, > > I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a auto-calibrate. If probem > persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you fix the problem, that is one > fine machine! > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] > Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on > eBay) ... > The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder > .... > I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have > the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source > everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape > (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 20 02:41:02 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:41:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes References: Message-ID: <017a01c217f3$28a3a420$453442cf@sank1> The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. They won't be right. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > I have an RX-505 that is pretty close to reference alignment but would like > to confirm with alignment tapes. I found a site that sells cassette > alignment tapes. The tapes are made by EMTEC and sold on JRF Magnetics > online. The have all of the usual tapes for frequency response Ferric and > Chrome, Azimuth, Dolby tracking, Level, and WF/Speed. > > Can anyone confirm if these tapes would be OK for Nakamichi decks or do you > have to use specifically Nakamichi alignment tapes at what I am sure would > be more expensive, if they can still be purchased. > > > Thanks, > > Michael E DeWire > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you, John John I am not interested in your books, but would like to get a copy of another in the series - a review of high-end audio, dating from about 1991. If anyone on the list has this, could you please get in touch directly? John Walker e-mail: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 20 03:04:20 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:04:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] shelf life In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619230112.00a04ec0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: I've hundreds of tapes from the early/late 80's; most are maxell mxs90 or udxlI and some tdk sa/sax/mar. They all sound fine on the zx9 and the cr7. I think the key is to store them in semi airtight containers; keep the air and light away from them and they seem damn near indestructible.. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 2:02 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Thanks ! I hope to be up to the duty ! ;o) ... he he he I have to study a lot. Ezio At 03:29 PM 6/19/02 -0500, you wrote: Congratulations on your new ZXL. Just be prepared with your check book aside. You'll be using it very soon, I guarantee you that ... A very fine animal but too prone to problems. Too much things happening at the same time. Otherwise, it is one of the best sounding machines I've ever heard, including the 1000 ZXL. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 05:49:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on eBay) ... The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder .... I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... What should I investigate first ? How can I check the azimuth, bias, pitch etc. auto-regulations ? Should I first clean with cotton and isopropilic alcohol the heads ? Should I de-magnetize the heads (which of them ?) with the demagnetizer ? Please, drive me in the first steps ... till today I have owned only an LX-5 .... Thanks Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I have some > old Memorex Chrome' tapes from the 1970s and they are still playable (though > not on the ZX9!!!) > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Dundis, Andy > Sent: 19 June 2002 02:41 PM > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] shelf life... > > > hi NTr's, > I still have the majority audio cassettes i've recorded since > the 70's & 80's and they still sound good. Does anybody know how > long tapes can last with proper care? When should I consider > replacing w/fresh recordings? > Also wondering how many times a cassette can be re-recorded on > before significant loss of audio quality? I use mostly Maxell > hi bias. Hopefully, some of the cassette tape guru's are 'listening > in'. > regards all, > andy > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 03:04:44 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:04:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Salim, Stephen, Roland ... Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <017401c217f2$f4ea1060$453442cf@sank1> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <014201c217ef$884f0da0$af299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620030020.00a30430@box.tin.it> I have tried 14 times yet to perform the AUTO-CALIBRATION but it stops and the lights are flashing alltogether . So I understand that something is badly wrong . I will try to move the switches many times and then I will go to the repair center ... (it takes 2 weeks !!!!!!! B#@#?£ Hell ) to have the orange cap checked .... Any further suggestions after knowing the auto calib. stop ? If MANUAL SETTING = -3db and strange noise from the Left .. ... when saying orange caps ... you mean CAPACITORS ? Thanks Ezio At 06:39 PM 6/19/02 -0600, you wrote: >Salim is most likely correct. Even if the problem has gone away after >cleaning, it is just as likely as not that it is merely a "period of good >behavior" for one or more of the dreaded orange film caps(in this case, on >the pb dolby amp board), which are prone to intermittent behavior. Also, >the tape/source monitor switch requires regular excersize(i.e., flipping it >back & forth quickly a bunch of times every so often), as these particular >switches are prone to oxidation. >The strange noises you heard strongly suggest orange cap disease. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salim Marzuki" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:15 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > I believe that 'strange sound' on left channel is some orange caps waving > > goodbye. =) If you're also adventurous with solders, one good practice is > > to replace all orange caps in sight and roughly half of your problem is > > gone. Make sure you've tried the auto a/b/l/e more than once for the -3db > > problem. > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:28 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > Hi Ezio, > > > > I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a auto-calibrate. If >probem > > persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you fix the problem, that is one > > fine machine! > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] > > Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > > > > > Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on > > eBay) ... > > The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder > > .... > > I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have > > the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source > > everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape > > (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 03:05:38 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:05:38 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player In-Reply-To: <016a01c217f2$4d63b620$453442cf@sank1> References: <11FEA3F7.27AD974C.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620030456.00a31030@box.tin.it> YEAH ! the belt ! ... substituted after 10 years .... the unit will come back at home in 1 week . Ezio At 06:34 PM 6/19/02 -0600, you wrote: >If you are referring to the "CD Player 3", it is an excellent unit. Very >good sound(second only to the CDPlayer2) and hardly ever any problems beyond >periodic need for the (easy) replacement of the tray drive belt. And it >uses the pretty darn reliable & very inexpensive to replace Sony KSS-210 >laser, in case it ever fails. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Nick" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:12 PM >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player > > > > Dear Naktalkers, > > > > Do you by any chance know this unit? Can you say anything good/bad about >it? > > > > And mostly to Stephen: what do you think is it worth to take this player >for free with some defect (not specified)? > > > > Thank you in advance. > > > > Nicholas. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. >Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! >http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 03:24:44 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:24:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <017401c217f2$f4ea1060$453442cf@sank1> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <014201c217ef$884f0da0$af299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620031125.00a3d2f0@box.tin.it> Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!! It works !!!!!!!!! I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs changing many times positions .... I have , then , tried AUTO-CAL AGAIN ... maybe the fourteenth time ! and this time the auto-cal worked smoothly ... I have done the autocal again (I was not believing to my eyes ... actually) and worked again Then I have tried for the third time !!!!!!!! and worked for the third !!!!!!!!!!!! Then started recording PEARL JAM - TEN (from vinyl ... obviously) and everything works LEVELS = OK MONITOR WHILE TAPING = OK Many thanks to the MASTERS OF NAKAS ! Someone wants to try my taping ? Turntable Thorens TD320 arm Thorens Carbonium cartridge Audio Technica OC-9 MC Integrated pre-phono and P.A. Luxman L-550 (self stated A-Class 50W P.A.) Naka 700ZXL with TDK CD 2 (Chrome) .... waiting to be able of ordering some good quantity of old fashioned TDK MA / SA etc. .... he he he he he he I can send the tapes to some of you to have your wise opinion about the quality of recording and finally sounds ! ;o) ... You are the masters .... my dears ! Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jun 20 03:35:23 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:35:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates References: <3D10EA0E.00000A.00616@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D113159.F5BD8B08@snet.net> I understand completely... perhaps you or Mr Bleus can let me know as we get closer to the end of the line if there's any space left... Thanks! Ed El Magnifico wrote: > It all depends of space availability. We have to wait a little bit, Ed. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 15:14:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates Ed - That's a decision to be made by El Magnifico, seems that there will be some available magnetic tape on both M-Tapes. Salim - Not a problem with music copyrights, no one can prove that we actually are redistributing the music for commercial use or profit. Hey, NakTalk is a non-profit anyway, an honorable for the benefit of mankind organisation. Just to be safe, I'll post all the music track titles in translated Spanish language! That should have El Magnifico laughing profusely!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:53:27 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2366 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:53 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE - --------------54425FB1DD767AF490D442AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had actually mailed the group a while back to see if I could be added to the tape... perhaps if there was enough room for a quick rendering of "Limehouse Blues" by Joe Pass at the end of side 2? Thanks, Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham NelsonFred MossPavelNikMisha (if he can... )Mark HugoSalim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough)TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) !Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:30 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2366 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= . > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank >> you,John > > John > I am not interested in your books, but would like to get a copy of > another in the series - a review of high-end audio, dating from about > 1991. If anyone on the list has this, could you please get in touch > directly? > > John Walker > e-mail: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk > > > = > ======------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jun 20 05:37:08 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:37:08 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes In-Reply-To: <017a01c217f3$28a3a420$453442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, Thanks for the info, are the Nakamichi test tapes still available? Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. They won't be right. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > I have an RX-505 that is pretty close to reference alignment but would like > to confirm with alignment tapes. I found a site that sells cassette > alignment tapes. The tapes are made by EMTEC and sold on JRF Magnetics > online. The have all of the usual tapes for frequency response Ferric and > Chrome, Azimuth, Dolby tracking, Level, and WF/Speed. > > Can anyone confirm if these tapes would be OK for Nakamichi decks or do you > have to use specifically Nakamichi alignment tapes at what I am sure would > be more expensive, if they can still be purchased. > > > Thanks, > > Michael E DeWire > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jun 20 05:15:22 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:45:22 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Phono schematics References: <15e85e162153.16215315e85e@indosat.net.id> <3D100A86.393DE709@rcn.com> <001401c217aa$48c2cb80$ca299bca@smarzuki> <3D10FC6B.A6A57B37@rcn.com> <3D112297.5680D35D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D1148CA.A1DE3FC4@vsnl.com> Salim have a look at Passdiy.com ( http://www.passdiy.com/) for Pearl Phono stage - discrete high end design without losing your shirt. Infact I had designed the PCB layout myself Kannan Ron wrote: > Here I am, replying to my own post... > > Salim, Just found that phono stage schematic. Take a look > here: > > http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/xentar/1179/projects/aaphono/aaphono.html > > Looks good. A thoughtful design, even though I disagree > about the output capacitor. I'd much rather get rid of > the output caps and add offset null adjustments. I'd also > go with the AOP2134 and increase supply voltages to +/- 18V. > > If you want something 'cheap and dirty', also take a look > at: > > http://sound.westhost.com/project06.htm > > This design uses two stages of amplification per channel > and splits the low end equalization between them. Otherwise, > it's similar, though it doesn't have esoteric high-end > pretension of the first circuit. It's guaranteed to have > higher noise, too, so replacing with a lower noise op-amp > is a good idea, > > -- Ron > > Ron wrote: > > > > Salim, > > > > First -- this is not an 'internal' preamp. I simply bought > > a OBH-8 preamp, removed the PCB and installed it the TT. > > > > In my case, there is no problem with hum or noise. There > > is slight hash with full volume and the ear next to the > > speaker, but if I tried to play at such a level, I would > > blow the speakers for sure. At normal listening volume, > > the hash is totally inaudible. The preamp is mounted as > > far as possible from the power transformer and as close > > as possible to the signal leads coming from the cartridge. > > This worked fine for a few years. Then, some hum > > intermittently appeared in one of the channels. It's > > difficult to pinpoint, since it comes and goes. I doubt > > its related to the preamp itself. > > > > As to sound quality, the Creek phono stage is quite decent, > > but by no means esoteric high end. My Denon pre/pro doesn't > > have a phono stage, which is why I use the Creek. Unless I > > replace the Denon pre/pro with one that does have a phono > > stage (the Integra pre/pro comes to mind, but it's $4K and > > the sonic improvement, if any, is nil) I will eventually > > build this op-amp based preamp I mentioned earlier. This > > will allow me to put the Creek PCB back in its enclosure > > and sell it. For some reason, demand for OBH-8s is high. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Ron, which one do you think sounds 'better': internal creek or > > > denon's phono amp? Is there any power supply related problem / hum etc in > > > putting preamp inside the table? > > > > > > Good night (it is now, over here =) > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:37 AM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > > > > > > Salim, my built-in phono preamp is not self built. It > > > consists of the PCB that I cannibalized from a Creek > > > OBH-8 phono stage -- please don't tell Stephen... I > > > know of his contempt for Creek products (that I > > > partially share). The phono stage is powered from the > > > TT power supply, so it's only ON when the table is > > > rotating. > > > > > > On the back burner I have plans to build an op-amp > > > based phono stage to replace the Creek -- hopefully, > > > with better sound quality. I downloaded a schematic > > > that looked good to me from the web and will be happy > > > to share it with you if I can only find it... > > > > > > Have a good night, > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > smarzuki at indosat.net.id wrote: > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jun 20 06:17:32 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:17:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player Message-ID: <08B51E84.7600001E.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, Ezio, Thanks a lot for the clarifications. I do not own this player - it was offered to my friend for free in out-of-order condition. He asked my advice, I re-directed it here, that's all. I'm from Russia, Moscow. Regards, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 07:00:40 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:00:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player In-Reply-To: <08B51E84.7600001E.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620065934.00a04b80@box.tin.it> Great ! I have some Russian friend . I hope it was not the unit selling on eBay ... that one it's already mine .... he he he he Ezio At 12:17 AM 6/20/02 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, Ezio, > >Thanks a lot for the clarifications. I do not own this player - it was >offered to my friend for free in out-of-order condition. He asked my >advice, I re-directed it here, that's all. > >I'm from Russia, Moscow. > >Regards, > >Nicholas. > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. >Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! >http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jun 20 07:50:14 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:50:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player Message-ID: <3C384C9D.6D5116C3.032C04E1@netscape.net> Stephen, Thank you very much for your reply, it is brilliant as usual. Me also doubt the model number, but my friend told me that the sign on the player says "CD-3". When I visit the CD section of Japanese Nakamichi Owners Club (by the way the link on Naks.com is outdated, the right one is - http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html) I found 4 Cd players in "CD Player" family and what confused me - CD-4 player. So now I'm in doubt is there any CD-3 (literally) unit or is it an abbreviation for CD Player 3? Ezio, what is printed on the faceplate of your player? Thank everybody in advance. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jun 20 08:24:51 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:24:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player Message-ID: <103D0DC9.24EB51B6.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, No, Ezio, that is not coming from E-bay. It has lived in Russia for quite a time. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: CDPLAYER.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 18952 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cd4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24128 bytes Desc: not available URL: From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jun 20 09:18:25 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:18:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player Message-ID: <71578404.6BCCAAD5.032C04E1@netscape.net> Thanks, Ezio. Now the only one thing remains - to find out if CD-3 player was ever produced by Nakamichi. Any information is gladly welcome. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 09:55:09 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:55:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... Message-ID: <1b87cb1b6857.1b68571b87cb@indosat.net.id> Hurry! Get yourself on the marathon tape list ... apply to El Magnifico. You're conveniently located between Fred and Marc. Can't resist: does the knob got wet when you finished? =) i know, its a tasteless joke, sorry. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:24 am Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... > !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > It works !!!!!!!!! > > I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs > changing many > times positions .... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 10:13:34 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:13:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player Message-ID: <1b7b881b61af.1b61af1b7b88@indosat.net.id> Hi Nick, as i recall the single disc polayer "CD-4" is the only odd kid, but internally there's nothing to write home about (btw its made in Taiwan). Different built class compared to CD player 1-2-3, which are solid musicbank changers. However, in my experience the CD-4 never give a single problem ... unlike the changers (sudden stop, skip etc). Not quite a fair comparison as i bought the CD-4 new and the rest used. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Nak CD-3 CD player > Stephen, > > Thank you very much for your reply, it is brilliant as usual. > > Me also doubt the model number, but my friend told me that the > sign on the player says "CD-3". When I visit the CD section of > Japanese Nakamichi Owners Club (by the way the link on Naks.com is > outdated, the right one is - http://tron.um.u- > tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak.html) I found 4 Cd players in "CD Player" > family and what confused me - CD-4 player. So now I'm in doubt is > there any CD-3 (literally) unit or is it an abbreviation for CD > Player 3? > > Ezio, what is printed on the faceplate of your player? > > Thank everybody in advance. > > With best wishes, > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. > Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! > http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 10:17:17 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:17:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Phono schematics Message-ID: <1b9b261bd7c3.1bd7c31b9b26@indosat.net.id> Kannan & Ron, thanks for the links (haven't look at it yet, still in the office =), how come i miss the one on PassDIY ... i used the 'bride' preamp for a while. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:15 am Subject: [naktalk] Re: Phono schematics > Salim > have a look at Passdiy.com ( http://www.passdiy.com/) for Pearl > Phono stage - discrete > high end design without losing your shirt. Infact I had designed > the PCB layout myself > Kannan > > Ron wrote: > > > Here I am, replying to my own post... > > > > Salim, Just found that phono stage schematic. Take a look > > here: > > > > > http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/xentar/1179/projects/aaphono/aaphon o.html> > > Looks good. A thoughtful design, even though I disagree > > about the output capacitor. I'd much rather get rid of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 10:49:25 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:49:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <1b87cb1b6857.1b68571b87cb@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> Salim ... I like your jokes ... I have seen you are from Indonesia ... isn't it ? I have been to Malaysia for tourism and 3 years in United Arab Emirates (for work) ... The odd stuff is showing again and today morning the auto-cal. was not working again ... I guess I have to give a test to the Orange Caps ... (are they testing of ORANGES if properly ''used'' ????? ) By The Way ... I have to confess I didn't understand what is the Marathon .. ??? !!! ... I saw a lot of notes , but I didn't have the clue ... as an excusation I have to say that I am receiving more than 200 notes per day ... not to mention those I receive on working site (Lotus Notes). Please try to explain what is the Marathon. Ezio At 02:55 PM 6/20/02 +0700, you wrote: >Hurry! Get yourself on the marathon tape list ... apply to El >Magnifico. You're conveniently located between Fred and Marc. > >Can't resist: does the knob got wet when you finished? =) i know, its >a tasteless joke, sorry. > >Salim SM > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ezio >Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:24 am >Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a >newcomer ... > > > > > > > Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... > > !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > It works !!!!!!!!! > > > > I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs > > changing many > > times positions .... > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 20 10:59:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 02:59:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes References: Message-ID: <025901c21838$c08b8740$453442cf@sank1> As far as I know, they are still available from Nak. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > Stephen, > > Thanks for the info, are the Nakamichi test tapes still available? > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. > They won't be right. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 5:49 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > I have an RX-505 that is pretty close to reference alignment but would > like > > to confirm with alignment tapes. I found a site that sells cassette > > alignment tapes. The tapes are made by EMTEC and sold on JRF Magnetics > > online. The have all of the usual tapes for frequency response Ferric and > > Chrome, Azimuth, Dolby tracking, Level, and WF/Speed. > > > > Can anyone confirm if these tapes would be OK for Nakamichi decks or do > you > > have to use specifically Nakamichi alignment tapes at what I am sure would > > be more expensive, if they can still be purchased. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Michael E DeWire > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 20 11:04:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 03:04:09 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <014201c217ef$884f0da0$af299bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620031125.00a3d2f0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <025f01c21839$71320060$453442cf@sank1> Although it is now working, you should, nevertheless, have the deck rid of every last one of those orange film capacitors(the ones that look like "chicklets" candy, not the orange-jacketed cylindrical electrolytic caps which are also numerous), which number 50 in the 1000ZXL, and a few less in the 700ZXL & ZXE. Don't settle for having just those in the pb dolby circuits or any other limited area replaced. Have them ALL replaced in the whole deck. You will save yourself a world of aggravation. And if you get them replaced with polystyrene and polypropylene caps, the deck will also sound better. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > It works !!!!!!!!! > > I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs changing many > times positions .... > I have , then , tried AUTO-CAL AGAIN ... maybe the fourteenth time ! and > this time the auto-cal worked smoothly ... > I have done the autocal again (I was not believing to my eyes ... actually) > and worked again > Then I have tried for the third time !!!!!!!! and worked for the third > !!!!!!!!!!!! > > Then started recording PEARL JAM - TEN (from vinyl ... obviously) and > everything works LEVELS = OK > MONITOR WHILE TAPING = OK > > Many thanks to the MASTERS OF NAKAS ! > > Someone wants to try my taping ? > Turntable Thorens TD320 > arm Thorens Carbonium > cartridge Audio Technica OC-9 MC > Integrated pre-phono and P.A. Luxman L-550 (self stated A-Class 50W P.A.) > Naka 700ZXL with TDK CD 2 (Chrome) .... waiting to be able of ordering some > good quantity of old fashioned TDK MA / SA etc. .... he he he he he he > > I can send the tapes to some of you to have your wise opinion about the > quality of recording and finally sounds ! ;o) ... > You are the masters .... my dears ! > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 14:00:50 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:00:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... In-Reply-To: <025f01c21839$71320060$453442cf@sank1> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B4C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <014201c217ef$884f0da0$af299bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620031125.00a3d2f0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620135944.00a34b60@box.tin.it> YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT . The ''troubles'' are randomly recursive !!!!!!! I will try to have the orange capacitors substituted ... but what does mean chicklets ? Ezio At 03:04 AM 6/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >Although it is now working, you should, nevertheless, have the deck rid of >every last one of those orange film capacitors(the ones that look like >"chicklets" candy, not the orange-jacketed cylindrical electrolytic caps >which are also numerous), which number 50 in the 1000ZXL, and a few less in >the 700ZXL & ZXE. Don't settle for having just those in the pb dolby >circuits or any other limited area replaced. Have them ALL replaced in the >whole deck. You will save yourself a world of aggravation. And if you get >them replaced with polystyrene and polypropylene caps, the deck will also >sound better. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ezio" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:24 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > > > Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... >!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > It works !!!!!!!!! > > > > I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs changing >many > > times positions .... > > I have , then , tried AUTO-CAL AGAIN ... maybe the fourteenth time ! and > > this time the auto-cal worked smoothly ... > > I have done the autocal again (I was not believing to my eyes ... >actually) > > and worked again > > Then I have tried for the third time !!!!!!!! and worked for the third > > !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Then started recording PEARL JAM - TEN (from vinyl ... obviously) and > > everything works LEVELS = OK > > MONITOR WHILE TAPING = OK > > > > Many thanks to the MASTERS OF NAKAS ! > > > > Someone wants to try my taping ? > > Turntable Thorens TD320 > > arm Thorens Carbonium > > cartridge Audio Technica OC-9 MC > > Integrated pre-phono and P.A. Luxman L-550 (self stated A-Class 50W P.A.) > > Naka 700ZXL with TDK CD 2 (Chrome) .... waiting to be able of ordering >some > > good quantity of old fashioned TDK MA / SA etc. .... he he he he he he > > > > I can send the tapes to some of you to have your wise opinion about the > > quality of recording and finally sounds ! ;o) ... > > You are the masters .... my dears ! > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Thu Jun 20 14:15:34 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:15:34 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... Message-ID: That's a brand of chewing gum - which is in flat rectangular chunks - as opposed to the cylindrical shaped capacitors which Stephen also mentioned. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: Ezio Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:00:50 +0200 YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT . The ''troubles'' are randomly recursive !!!!!!! I will try to have the orange capacitors substituted ... but what does mean chicklets ? Ezio At 03:04 AM 6/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >Although it is now working, you should, nevertheless, have the deck rid of >every last one of those orange film capacitors(the ones that look like >"chicklets" candy, not the orange-jacketed cylindrical electrolytic caps >which are also numerous), which number 50 in the 1000ZXL, and a few less in >the 700ZXL & ZXE. Don't settle for having just those in the pb dolby >circuits or any other limited area replaced. Have them ALL replaced in the >whole deck. You will save yourself a world of aggravation. And if you get >them replaced with polystyrene and polypropylene caps, the deck will also >sound better. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ezio" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:24 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > > > Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... >!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > It works !!!!!!!!! > > > > I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs changing >many > > times positions .... > > I have , then , tried AUTO-CAL AGAIN ... maybe the fourteenth time ! >and > > this time the auto-cal worked smoothly ... > > I have done the autocal again (I was not believing to my eyes ... >actually) > > and worked again > > Then I have tried for the third time !!!!!!!! and worked for the third > > !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Then started recording PEARL JAM - TEN (from vinyl ... obviously) and > > everything works LEVELS = OK > > MONITOR WHILE TAPING = OK > > > > Many thanks to the MASTERS OF NAKAS ! > > > > Someone wants to try my taping ? > > Turntable Thorens TD320 > > arm Thorens Carbonium > > cartridge Audio Technica OC-9 MC > > Integrated pre-phono and P.A. Luxman L-550 (self stated A-Class 50W >P.A.) > > Naka 700ZXL with TDK CD 2 (Chrome) .... waiting to be able of ordering >some > > good quantity of old fashioned TDK MA / SA etc. .... he he he he he he > > > > I can send the tapes to some of you to have your wise opinion about the > > quality of recording and finally sounds ! ;o) ... > > You are the masters .... my dears ! > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Thu Jun 20 14:20:56 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:20:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Deck 1 or CR-7 Message-ID: <3D11C8A8.D45D0246@warwick.net> I'm looking to buy either a Cassette Deck 1 or a CR-7. I'm keeping an eye on eBay, or course, but if anyone here has either of these machines, in excellent mechanical working order (I'm not concerned with a few dings and/or scratches), you can email me privately with your asking price. I'd prefer a machine from the US, only because of shipping and electrical compatibility, and I will respond to all emails. Bill Wheatley ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Jun 20 14:41:40 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:41:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <008801c21857$d379c730$6b021fac@brianm> The Martathon tape is a tape that is being passed from Nak member to member, that inquired to be on the list, and each person is recording one song, of their choice, on this tape. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Please try to explain what is the Marathon. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Jun 20 14:50:15 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:50:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes In-Reply-To: <017a01c217f3$28a3a420$453442cf@sank1> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620083621.0154ae40@mail.verizon.net> I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. So which test test tapes do I use? These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) ________________ Marc Stager =========================== At 6/19/02, you wrote: >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. >They won't be right. > >Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed.#30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested.#31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested.#33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you,John John I am not interested in your books, but would like to get a copy of another in the series - a review of high-end audio, dating from about 1991. If anyone on the list has this, could you please get in touch directly? John Walker e-mail: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Even though most of our decks are probably within specifications, not using noise reduction eliminates the possibility of additional signal distortion due to mis-aligned record/playback stages, with resultant mis-tracking of the Dolby circuits. Carlos would be the one to decide if there is going to be enough space on the tape to allow another participant to be added to the list. Kent Merideth Indiana >>> brianm at grar.com 06/20/02 07:41AM >>> The Martathon tape is a tape that is being passed from Nak member to member, that inquired to be on the list, and each person is recording one song, of their choice, on this tape. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Please try to explain what is the Marathon. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tooley wrote: I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed.#30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested.#31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested.#33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you,John John I am not interested in your books, but would like to get a copy of another in the series - a review of high-end audio, dating from about 1991. If anyone on the list has this, could you please get in touch directly? John Walker e-mail: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It happened to me and it would happen again to any of you. These models are my favorites but here I am with 2 of those animals and after over a grand invested in repairs they still out of order. Just a friendly word of caution to all my fellow Nakamaniacs here: think twice before getting into such very old and "electronic" machines.Again, they are prone to problems, otherwise be prepared to enjoy her a couple of weeks and then send her back to the shop again. Unfortuantely, it is a cruel reality with all these old machines. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:16:08 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Salim, Stephen, Roland ... Suggestions to a newcomer .. I have tried 14 times yet to perform the AUTO-CALIBRATION but it stops and the lights are flashing alltogether . So I understand that something is badly wrong . I will try to move the switches many times and then I will go to the repair center ... (it takes 2 weeks !!!!!!! B#@#?£ Hell ) to have the orange cap checked .... Any further suggestions after knowing the auto calib. stop ? If MANUAL SETTING = -3db and strange noise from the Left .. ... when saying orange caps ... you mean CAPACITORS ? Thanks Ezio At 06:39 PM 6/19/02 -0600, you wrote: >Salim is most likely correct. Even if the problem has gone away after >cleaning, it is just as likely as not that it is merely a "period of good >behavior" for one or more of the dreaded orange film caps(in this case, on >the pb dolby amp board), which are prone to intermittent behavior. Also, >the tape/source monitor switch requires regular excersize(i.e., flipping it >back & forth quickly a bunch of times every so often), as these particular >switches are prone to oxidation. >The strange noises you heard strongly suggest orange cap disease. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salim Marzuki" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:15 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > I believe that 'strange sound' on left channel is some orange caps waving > > goodbye. =) If you're also adventurous with solders, one good practice is > > to replace all orange caps in sight and roughly half of your problem is > > gone. Make sure you've tried the auto a/b/l/e more than once for the -3db > > problem. > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Thomas Siomopoulos > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:28 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > Hi Ezio, > > > > I would try cleaning the heads first and then do a auto-calibrate. If >probem > > persists then look at the azimuth. Hope you fix the problem, that is one > > fine machine! > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] > > Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 4:50 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Suggestions to a newcomer ... > > > > > > > > > > Dears, I am TODAY a new proud owner of a Nak 700ZXL (recently bought on > > eBay) ... > > The unit looks PERFECT without a scratch without a single grain of powder > > .... > > I immediately tried to record on a TDK CD 2 (Chrome) cassette and I have > > the Left channel 3 db LOWER than right channel ... when monitoring source > > everything is FINE and the levels are OK ... but mwhen monitoring tape > > (while recording) -3db and some strange sound from the Left channel ... > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 12:38:23 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates I understand completely... perhaps you or Mr Bleus can let me know as we get closer to the end of the line if there's any space left... Thanks! Ed El Magnifico wrote: It all depends of space availability. We have to wait a little bit, Ed. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 15:14:03 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Updates Ed - That's a decision to be made by El Magnifico, seems that there will be some available magnetic tape on both M-Tapes. Salim - Not a problem with music copyrights, no one can prove that we actually are redistributing the music for commercial use or profit. Hey, NakTalk is a non-profit anyway, an honorable for the benefit of mankind organisation. Just to be safe, I'll post all the music track titles in translated Spanish language! That should have El Magnifico laughing profusely!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:53:27 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, June 19 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2366 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:11:53 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE - --------------54425FB1DD767AF490D442AD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had actually mailed the group a while back to see if I could be added to the tape... perhaps if there was enough room for a quick rendering of "Limehouse Blues" by Joe Pass at the end of side 2? Thanks, Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg that goes like this: Graham NelsonFred MossPavelNikMisha (if he can... )Mark HugoSalim ( if he thinks the mail is secure enough)TOM - Back to Puerto Rico IF SOMEONE IS MISSSING, PLEASE REPORT BACK TO ME. We decided to do 2 legs: One for the Americas and the other one for Europe, South Africa, Indonesia and Australia. Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 09:11:57 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Hey Carlos, I'm not in the list, please don't forget me - Tom Siomopoulos from Australia. Do yuo need my address? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2002 1:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Importance: High Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?)!Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:28:30 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE Indo postal horror story is just that, things will be ok using ups / dhl and the likes ... so i'm ready. On Bleus' plan to put song titles on the net, wouldn't that invite some copyright attention? As i have no music of my own, i'll be copying regular music from cd ... is that 'safe'? Or is it better to leave the titles off the site - i.e just participant's name n machines? Salim SM - ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico Date: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:09 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE > Ha,ha,ha ! Don't be afraid my friend. You are in the second leg > that goes > like this: > > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2366 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ezio At 03:15 PM 6/20/02 +0300, you wrote: >That's a brand of chewing gum - which is in flat rectangular chunks - as >opposed to the cylindrical shaped capacitors which Stephen also mentioned. > >George > > >----Original Message Follows---- >From: Ezio >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to >a newcomer ... >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:00:50 +0200 > >YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT . >The ''troubles'' are randomly recursive !!!!!!! > >I will try to have the orange capacitors substituted ... but what does mean >chicklets ? > >Ezio > >At 03:04 AM 6/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >>Although it is now working, you should, nevertheless, have the deck rid of >>every last one of those orange film capacitors(the ones that look like >>"chicklets" candy, not the orange-jacketed cylindrical electrolytic caps >>which are also numerous), which number 50 in the 1000ZXL, and a few less in >>the 700ZXL & ZXE. Don't settle for having just those in the pb dolby >>circuits or any other limited area replaced. Have them ALL replaced in the >>whole deck. You will save yourself a world of aggravation. And if you get >>them replaced with polystyrene and polypropylene caps, the deck will also >>sound better. >> >>Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >>Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >>http://stephensank.com >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >>Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >>505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >>mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >>https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >>Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ezio" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 7:24 PM >>Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... >> >> >> > >> > >> > Cazzo (Italian cursing ... please do not try to translate ) ... >>!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > It works !!!!!!!!! >> > >> > I have followed the suggestions and MASTURBATED all the knobs changing >>many >> > times positions .... >> > I have , then , tried AUTO-CAL AGAIN ... maybe the fourteenth time ! and >> > this time the auto-cal worked smoothly ... >> > I have done the autocal again (I was not believing to my eyes ... >>actually) >> > and worked again >> > Then I have tried for the third time !!!!!!!! and worked for the third >> > !!!!!!!!!!!! >> > >> > Then started recording PEARL JAM - TEN (from vinyl ... obviously) and >> > everything works LEVELS = OK >> > MONITOR WHILE TAPING = OK >> > >> > Many thanks to the MASTERS OF NAKAS ! >> > >> > Someone wants to try my taping ? >> > Turntable Thorens TD320 >> > arm Thorens Carbonium >> > cartridge Audio Technica OC-9 MC >> > Integrated pre-phono and P.A. Luxman L-550 (self stated A-Class 50W P.A.) >> > Naka 700ZXL with TDK CD 2 (Chrome) .... waiting to be able of ordering >>some >> > good quantity of old fashioned TDK MA / SA etc. .... he he he he he he >> > >> > I can send the tapes to some of you to have your wise opinion about the >> > quality of recording and finally sounds ! ;o) ... >> > You are the masters .... my dears ! >> > >> > Sincerely >> > >> > Ezio Lucenti >> > >> > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com >> > >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> > >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jun 20 16:34:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:34:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books References: Message-ID: <002201c21867$85848d70$21756acf@johnnyrotten> Months ago. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books John, Just out of curiosity, when was the original message sent out? I still have not received the initial notification of the books being offered for sale. Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 06/20/02 07:54AM >>> Sorry, I've no idea. As I said they were sold instantly. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Hi-Fi Choice books Can you tell me what year these are from? Thanks, Ed John Walker wrote: John M. Tooley wrote: I have four Hi-Fi Choice books, from UK, for sale if anybody is interested. They are:- #28 Cartridges and Headphones - 130 models reviewed.#30 Turntables and Tonearms - Over 90 models tested.#31 Loudspeakers - Over 100 models tested.#33 Amplifiers & Stereo Tuners - Over 80 models tested. Note, cover has one scissor cut approx. 2'' long. Please don't ask if certain issues cover specific models. $10.00 each which includes Priority Mail to US addresses only. Thank you,John John I am not interested in your books, but would like to get a copy of another in the series - a review of high-end audio, dating from about 1991. If anyone on the list has this, could you please get in touch directly? John Walker e-mail: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 20 16:55:06 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:55:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <003701c2186a$77f155a0$e6299bca@smarzuki> The Marathon tape just started its journey from Carlos in Puerto Rico recently and will go around the globe soon. I think there'll be some empty space on second tape, but it's Carlos decision to arrange the list. Your ZXL is a quite complicated machine (for a 20yrs cassette deck !) so there bound to be problems here and there - a similarly old LX5/ZX7 will have fewer problems due to its auto-less features. The bad thing about zxl is that it sounds so special even compared to other naks. My a/b/l/e process gave inconsistent results for a given tape, but once i got it 'right' ... it's fantastic ! Most of the times, all it takes to get old naks working is replacing the ugly orange capacitors. Yessir, me naktalk representative in Indonesia =) ... went to Venice once, fabulous city ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cazzo it works .... was : Suggestions to a newcomer ... Salim ... I like your jokes ... I have seen you are from Indonesia ... isn't it ? I have been to Malaysia for tourism and 3 years in United Arab Emirates (for work) ... The odd stuff is showing again and today morning the auto-cal. was not working again ... I guess I have to give a test to the Orange Caps ... (are they testing of ORANGES if properly ''used'' ????? ) By The Way ... I have to confess I didn't understand what is the Marathon .. ??? !!! ... I saw a lot of notes , but I didn't have the clue ... as an excusation I have to say that I am receiving more than 200 notes per day ... not to mention those I receive on working site (Lotus Notes). Please try to explain what is the Marathon. Ezio At 02:55 PM 6/20/02 +0700, you wrote: >Hurry! Get yourself on the marathon tape list ... apply to El ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Thu Jun 20 21:07:54 2002 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 13:07:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Isopropyl Alcohol Message-ID: I have a 99% bottle of Isopropyl Alcohol which was bought from Drug Emporium (no longer is in my area). I having a little trouble finding another bottle of 99%. Can any Naker let me know where I may purchase (48 states)? Thanks. From: Ezio Thanks it was only DIRTY ! .... I have cleaned with cotton sticks + alcohol 99.9% and everything is going fine . _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jun 20 21:20:42 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:20:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620083621.0154ae40@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: Marc, Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying decision. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Marc Stager Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. So which test test tapes do I use? These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) ________________ Marc Stager =========================== At 6/19/02, you wrote: >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. >They won't be right. > >Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 23:20:41 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:20:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Isopropyl Alcohol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620231503.00a0aec0@box.tin.it> I don't know the way you Americans manage your DRUGS .... he he he he ;o) ... big smile ... wink wink ... nudge nudge ... say no more ! but here in Italy ... I have circumvented the Pharmacist (specialized Chemist guy ...) ... and he found the source of alcohol 99.9% pure ... it is not to make GRAPPA (the Italian distilled 45% and higher .... after dinner drink ;o) .... he he he ) ... it is to clean electronic equipments and to prepare medicines ! ... My suggestion is ... go to the Chemist in your town and explain the situation ... the drugstores are selling alcohol (almost in Italy) at 95% ... it is good to make after dinner drinks , but not enough to clean vinyls and electronics. Ezio At 01:07 PM 6/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >I have a 99% bottle of Isopropyl Alcohol which was bought from Drug >Emporium (no longer is in my area). I having a little trouble finding >another bottle of 99%. >Can any Naker let me know where I may purchase (48 states)? Thanks. > > >From: Ezio > >Thanks it was only DIRTY ! .... I have cleaned with cotton sticks + >alcohol 99.9% and everything is going fine . > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jun 20 23:43:24 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:43:24 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ORANGE CAPACITORS !!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <003701c2186a$77f155a0$e6299bca@smarzuki> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620233942.00a3cd00@box.tin.it> Listen guys ! ... better to say GURUs !!!!!!!! The b#@@£$ orange squared capacitors have they ALL the same capacity and parameters ... or are they of different kinds ? I am gonna to change them ALL ! ... but think I am not an electronic GURU like you guys ... I am an Economics Ph D with a great passion for , MUSIC (analogic) HI-FI and sometimes electronics ... he he he he he he --- Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jun 20 23:59:29 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:59:29 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Isopropyl Alcohol Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B56@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I agree with Ezio. I too go to my local chemist and ask for the stuff, if they ask me for what reason I simply tell them it's for electronic purposes. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Friday, 21 June 2002 7:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Isopropyl Alcohol I don't know the way you Americans manage your DRUGS .... he he he he ;o) ... big smile ... wink wink ... nudge nudge ... say no more ! but here in Italy ... I have circumvented the Pharmacist (specialized Chemist guy ...) ... and he found the source of alcohol 99.9% pure ... it is not to make GRAPPA (the Italian distilled 45% and higher .... after dinner drink ;o) .... he he he ) ... it is to clean electronic equipments and to prepare medicines ! ... My suggestion is ... go to the Chemist in your town and explain the situation ... the drugstores are selling alcohol (almost in Italy) at 95% ... it is good to make after dinner drinks , but not enough to clean vinyls and electronics. Ezio At 01:07 PM 6/20/02 -0600, you wrote: >I have a 99% bottle of Isopropyl Alcohol which was bought from Drug >Emporium (no longer is in my area). I having a little trouble finding >another bottle of 99%. >Can any Naker let me know where I may purchase (48 states)? Thanks. > > >From: Ezio > >Thanks it was only DIRTY ! .... I have cleaned with cotton sticks + >alcohol 99.9% and everything is going fine . > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 00:35:10 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:35:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620233942.00a3cd00@box.tin.it> References: <003701c2186a$77f155a0$e6299bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621003232.00a35350@box.tin.it> Dear MASTERS ! ... would you ever buy a STASIS pre + P.A. if you would have the opportunity ? In such case wich pre and wich P.A. ... ideally speaking ... would you prefer to buy ? Anybody of you ... out there on The Net ... has a STASIS ? What do you think about it ? Anybody out there sells a STASIS pre or P.A. ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Fri Jun 21 02:15:56 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:15:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Message-ID: <3D16F64C@mail.totalise.co.uk> Hello Naktalkers, could somebody please remind me how to access service manuals from naktalk please? Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jun 21 02:24:03 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:24:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B57@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Fred. It's.... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: FRED MOSS [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 21 June 2002 10:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Manuals Hello Naktalkers, could somebody please remind me how to access service manuals from naktalk please? Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 21 02:38:05 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:38:05 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes References: Message-ID: <003701c218bb$e968b6a0$433442cf@sank1> If you want your deck calibrated properly, use real Nak test tapes. If you want it calibrated for the substandard crap made by other companies, get the Teac test tapes. And I have never had a tape made on a properly calibrated Nak be incompatible with any *decent* other make tape deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > Marc, > > Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying > decision. > > Best, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. > > I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, > two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. > > They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards > for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum > one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on > any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording > made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good > as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. > > So which test test tapes do I use? > > These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html > (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =========================== > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. > >They won't be right. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 21 02:40:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:40:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] ORANGE CAPACITORS !!!!!!!! References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620233942.00a3cd00@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <003f01c218bc$3187d920$433442cf@sank1> There are many different cap values of the orange bastards, ranging from 330pf to 0.068uf, but all should be 100V or higher. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: [naktalk] ORANGE CAPACITORS !!!!!!!! > > > Listen guys ! ... better to say GURUs !!!!!!!! > The b#@@�$ orange squared capacitors have they ALL the same capacity and > parameters ... or are they of different kinds ? > > I am gonna to change them ALL ! ... but think I am not an electronic GURU > like you guys ... I am an Economics Ph D with a great passion for , MUSIC > (analogic) HI-FI and sometimes electronics ... he he he he he he --- > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 21 02:50:23 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:50:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? References: <003701c2186a$77f155a0$e6299bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621003232.00a35350@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <005801c218bd$a13536e0$433442cf@sank1> If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II would be among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis amps. However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I would care for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis philosophy, as they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 is a simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: ; Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > Dear MASTERS ! ... > would you ever buy a STASIS pre + P.A. if you would have the opportunity ? > In such case wich pre and wich P.A. ... ideally speaking ... would you > prefer to buy ? > > Anybody of you ... out there on The Net ... has a STASIS ? What do you > think about it ? > > Anybody out there sells a STASIS pre or P.A. ? > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Fri Jun 21 02:53:59 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:53:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes References: <003701c218bb$e968b6a0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <002601c218be$2349fee0$55a4f5d1@maincomputer> I have to agree with Stephen. Stephen has serviced my Dragon and Revox B215. Tapes on these two machines play well on each other and also play well on my Teac V8030S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > If you want your deck calibrated properly, use real Nak test tapes. If you > want it calibrated for the substandard crap made by other companies, get the > Teac test tapes. And I have never had a tape made on a properly calibrated > Nak be incompatible with any *decent* other make tape deck. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:20 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > Marc, > > > > Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying > > decision. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Marc Stager > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. > > > > I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, > > two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. > > > > They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards > > for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum > > one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on > > any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording > > made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good > > as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. > > > > So which test test tapes do I use? > > > > These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html > > (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > =========================== > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > > >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test > tapes. > > >They won't be right. > > > > > >Stephen Sank > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 21 04:12:20 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:12:20 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? Message-ID: <1dce521d85f4.1d85f41dce52@indosat.net.id> Hi Stephen, Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > would be > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis amps. > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > would care > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > philosophy, as > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 > is a > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Jun 21 05:35:11 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:35:11 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) Message-ID: Greetings Nak Marathoners..... We have progress to report on the M-Tape 1 recording. The second track which is completed by yours truly, and an update on the M-Tape info website. Have a look: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I would like to request information from these M-Tape 1 participants; Damon Josz, Ron ???, John Smokeovitch, Rob Hamilton. Also, I detect that we have a few European names listed with North American M-Tape 1, and they probably should be added to the Euro/Asian M-Tape 2. John Walker, Eddy Pollet, Roland Alford. Carlos, what shall we do about this little situation? Perhaps Graham can add these gentlemen to the M-Tape 2 list. Good news, this allows more North American wannabes to be able to participate on M-Tape 1! All for now, send your info and any .jpeg images you want to add for your photo opportunity on the webpage. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Jun 21 05:50:33 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:50:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes In-Reply-To: <003701c218bb$e968b6a0$433442cf@sank1> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620231827.01552690@mail.verizon.net> Steve, did you go to the web site and read the description of those tapes? First and most importantly: "TEAC Cassette Test Tapes are manufactured in strict accordance with the IEC standard of March 1981." Can Nakamichi make this claim? also: "TEAC has designed and developed special high-precision shells for use with these cassette test tapes,thereby cutting azimuth loss to a minimum. The carefully-selected tape stock provides optimum performance levels." "Each tape is individually mastered on special recording equipment, and passes through strict quality assurance procedures before it leaves our factory." They are THE standard. Not substandard, as Nakamichi would have you believe regarding any cassette related product that doesn't bear their name. I trust these test cassettes, and MRL reel test tapes. No others will do. The prices for Teac test cassettes run around 12,000 yen, or about $97 each. These are not mass produced high speed dupes. The Teac Calibration Media Group also makes some interesting test CDs and DVDs. http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/index.html ________________ Marc Stager =================================== At 6/20/02, you wrote: >If you want your deck calibrated properly, use real Nak test tapes. If you >want it calibrated for the substandard crap made by other companies, get the >Teac test tapes. And I have never had a tape made on a properly calibrated >Nak be incompatible with any *decent* other make tape deck. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael E DeWire" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:20 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > Marc, > > > > Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying > > decision. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Marc Stager > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. > > > > I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, > > two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. > > > > They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards > > for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum > > headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on > > any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording > > made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good > > as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. > > > > So which test test tapes do I use? > > > > These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html > > (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > =========================== > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > > >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test >tapes. > > >They won't be right. > > > > > >Stephen Sank ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jun 21 05:46:06 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:46:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) References: Message-ID: <3D12A178.59712D38@snet.net> Well put me on the roster then... I'd be honored to participate! Thanks, Ed The BlueSwapper wrote: > Greetings Nak Marathoners..... > > We have progress to report on the M-Tape 1 recording. The second track which is completed by yours truly, and an update on the M-Tape info website. Have a look: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > I would like to request information from these M-Tape 1 participants; Damon Josz, Ron ???, John Smokeovitch, Rob Hamilton. Also, I detect that we have a few European names listed with North American M-Tape 1, and they probably should be added to the Euro/Asian M-Tape 2. John Walker, Eddy Pollet, Roland Alford. Carlos, what shall we do about this little situation? Perhaps Graham can add these gentlemen to the M-Tape 2 list. Good news, this allows more North American wannabes to be able to participate on M-Tape 1! > > All for now, send your info and any .jpeg images you want to add for your photo opportunity on the webpage. > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Jun 21 06:26:03 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:26:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes In-Reply-To: <003701c218bb$e968b6a0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, There seems to be a conflict of opinions concerning what alignment tapes to use. I can assume from your prior correspondence that alignments tapes for speed/W&F and Azimuth does not conflict with the transport design of a Nakamichi deck. This would make sense since speed is a constant or should be and so is azimuth on any machine. Can I assume then that the Nakamichi alignment tapes are more precise for height, reference level, frequency response, and Dolby level. Or is it because a Nakamichi transport is different in regard to track width or reference flux level of the tape for proper setup. I noticed that the EMTEC tapes for example are 250nWb/m for most of their test tapes with the Dolby level tapes recorded at 200nWb/m. Also how much would it cost to get all of the tapes needed to run all of the test and alignments. Thanks, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes If you want your deck calibrated properly, use real Nak test tapes. If you want it calibrated for the substandard crap made by other companies, get the Teac test tapes. And I have never had a tape made on a properly calibrated Nak be incompatible with any *decent* other make tape deck. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > Marc, > > Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying > decision. > > Best, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Marc Stager > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. > > I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, > two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. > > They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards > for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum > one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on > any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording > made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good > as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. > > So which test test tapes do I use? > > These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html > (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) > > ________________ Marc Stager > > =========================== > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test tapes. > >They won't be right. > > > >Stephen Sank > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Jun 21 07:31:18 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:31:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) References: Message-ID: <009501c218e4$dee69a20$3db5b742@pii366custom> The M-Tape webpage is starting to take shape! Looking good. Just to clarify, I'm not in Germany, although I'd consider moving there if I spoke German...................but I'm in Vancouver, BC, Canada, just minutes from the US border at Blaine, WA -- Pacific Northwest. For my selection I have (appopriately) chosen a Canadian artist, Robert Michaels (classical guitar), doing a classic Gato Barbieri (and Santana if I'm correct) tune -- Europa. I think I may have the humblest deck in the group, but still a worthy -- Nak 680 ZX. Thanx for your efforts on the page. --Roland Alford ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 21 09:28:50 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:28:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 References: <20020618132139.26059.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e001c218f5$4ae263c0$433442cf@sank1> The C29 is a mix of discrete & opamp ICs, if I recall correctly. Been a long time since I had one in. I've actually never listened to a C504. Rare item. So, I have no idea what it sounds like. Among solid state macs, my first choice would be the C29, followed closely by the C27, then the C33(but I'd have to improve the C33's phono stage!). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > Quite so steve but a C28 can be brought to standards > and is downright symmetrical! Just like a 29. > > BTW: What exactly are the differences sonically and > circuit-wise between the 504 and the 29? Is the 29 > also op-amp based? I have a 24, 28 and a pair 504s > The 24 and 28 are similar but the 504s chips and all > blow them away! They are my favourite mac preamp. very > quiet compact and purish sounding. (Take note > everyone, new audiophile word being born as U read) Am > I missing something in not having the 29? All of the > later preamps except the way expensive 712 and c12 are > too feature-laden for me so the 29 is how I'm thinking > of going eventually someday. > > See Ya > Javier > > --- Isy Fidelman wrote: > > Thanks for the info Stephen!!! > > As always very usefull. > > > > Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > > > > The C26 is what I would call competent, but not at > > all "top shelf". Worth > > > about $300 in nice shape. C24 & C28 are inferior, > > C27, C29 & above are > > > superior, generally. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Isy Fidelman" > > > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:03 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > > > > > > Hi guys!!! > > > Anyone can tell me anything about this pre > > amplifier (McIntosh C-26). I > > have > > > seen one on sale here and I was wondering how good > > it is. > > > Thanks alot > > > > > > Isy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Jun 21 09:35:00 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:35:00 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) Message-ID: <00ee01c218f6$27042640$433442cf@sank1> Can any of you guys help this fellow out?(see message below) He really needs more info than I have time to give. I'd really appreciate it. I really need to spend more time working on equipment & mics, and less time typing. Seriously. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Urgent > Dear Stephen, > > I live a very long distance from you. Could you > please, teach me how to calibrate my Nakamichi ZX9 and > Dragon back to its original specification? > Is calibration realy necessary? > Will calibration affect the recording and playback > sound quality? > All gauges, test equipments and test tone tapes are > available, please tell me what to do in steps. > > > > Regards, > > Fahad > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Fri Jun 21 09:49:56 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:49:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) In-Reply-To: <00ee01c218f6$27042640$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: That's a pretty tall order. I cant believe the guy had the nerve to ask for such a large task... JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:35 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) > > > Can any of you guys help this fellow out?(see message below) He really > needs more info than I have time to give. I'd really appreciate it. I > really need to spend more time working on equipment & mics, and less time > typing. Seriously. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM > Subject: Urgent > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > > I live a very long distance from you. Could you > > please, teach me how to calibrate my Nakamichi ZX9 and > > Dragon back to its original specification? > > Is calibration realy necessary? > > Will calibration affect the recording and playback > > sound quality? > > All gauges, test equipments and test tone tapes are > > available, please tell me what to do in steps. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Fahad > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 10:45:56 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:45:56 +0200 Subject: WARNING ! BEWARE ! was .. RE: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) In-Reply-To: References: <00ee01c218f6$27042640$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621104303.00a37a00@box.tin.it> BEWARE !!!!!!!!! The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I have worked 3 years in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales Manager for IBM Middle East and I have learnt something .... Ready to be of some help if possible. Ezio At 03:49 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: >That's a pretty tall order. I cant believe the guy >had the nerve to ask for such a large task... >JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:35 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) > > > > > > Can any of you guys help this fellow out?(see message below) He really > > needs more info than I have time to give. I'd really appreciate it. I > > really need to spend more time working on equipment & mics, and less time > > typing. Seriously. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM > > Subject: Urgent > > > > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > > > > I live a very long distance from you. Could you > > > please, teach me how to calibrate my Nakamichi ZX9 and > > > Dragon back to its original specification? > > > Is calibration realy necessary? > > > Will calibration affect the recording and playback > > > sound quality? > > > All gauges, test equipments and test tone tapes are > > > available, please tell me what to do in steps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fahad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 10:49:00 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:49:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 In-Reply-To: <00e001c218f5$4ae263c0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <20020621084900.63433.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve Been a long time The 504 uses op-amps throughout but they are nicely implemented and well regulated. I think they are quite common though and have run across several at decent prices. Perhaps they are unwanted because at half height they only match the MR500 /510 tuner and the half height amp. They do have the double tape loop though and IMHO they are the most effective mac preamps for general use. I guess the op-amps make them unwanted among the high end types but they have all the clarity I need, noise floor is way down and I've yet to see one modded to discrete! More for me. I just can't say enough good things about them. Javier --- Stephen Sank wrote: > The C29 is a mix of discrete & opamp ICs, if I > recall correctly. Been a > long time since I had one in. I've actually never > listened to a C504. Rare > item. So, I have no idea what it sounds like. > Among solid state macs, my > first choice would be the C29, followed closely by > the C27, then the C33(but > I'd have to improve the C33's phono stage!). > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 7:21 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > Quite so steve but a C28 can be brought to > standards > > and is downright symmetrical! Just like a 29. > > > > BTW: What exactly are the differences sonically > and > > circuit-wise between the 504 and the 29? Is the 29 > > also op-amp based? I have a 24, 28 and a pair 504s > > The 24 and 28 are similar but the 504s chips and > all > > blow them away! They are my favourite mac preamp. > very > > quiet compact and purish sounding. (Take note > > everyone, new audiophile word being born as U > read) Am > > I missing something in not having the 29? All of > the > > later preamps except the way expensive 712 and c12 > are > > too feature-laden for me so the 29 is how I'm > thinking > > of going eventually someday. > > > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > --- Isy Fidelman wrote: > > > Thanks for the info Stephen!!! > > > As always very usefull. > > > > > > Isy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 9:14 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > > > > > > > The C26 is what I would call competent, but > not at > > > all "top shelf". Worth > > > > about $300 in nice shape. C24 & C28 are > inferior, > > > C27, C29 & above are > > > > superior, generally. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog > > > Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Isy Fidelman" > > > > To: "Naktalk mailinglist" > > > > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 5:03 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: McIntosh C-26 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi guys!!! > > > > Anyone can tell me anything about this pre > > > amplifier (McIntosh C-26). I > > > have > > > > seen one on sale here and I was wondering how > good > > > it is. > > > > Thanks alot > > > > > > > > Isy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 10:56:11 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WARNING ! BEWARE ! was .. RE: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621104303.00a37a00@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <20020621085611.86199.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Are you saying something bad is going to happen to Steve if he doesn't help????? Javier --- Ezio wrote: > BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! > AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > > I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I > have worked 3 years in > United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales > Manager for IBM Middle East > and I have learnt something .... > > Ready to be of some help if possible. > > Ezio > > > At 03:49 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: > >That's a pretty tall order. I cant believe the guy > >had the nerve to ask for such a large task... > >JCO > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Stephen Sank > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:35 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon > help) > > > > > > > > > Can any of you guys help this fellow out?(see > message below) He really > > > needs more info than I have time to give. I'd > really appreciate it. I > > > really need to spend more time working on > equipment & mics, and less time > > > typing. Seriously. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" > > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM > > > Subject: Urgent > > > > > > > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > > > > > > I live a very long distance from you. Could > you > > > > please, teach me how to calibrate my Nakamichi > ZX9 and > > > > Dragon back to its original specification? > > > > Is calibration realy necessary? > > > > Will calibration affect the recording and > playback > > > > sound quality? > > > > All gauges, test equipments and test tone > tapes are > > > > available, please tell me what to do in steps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Fahad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World > Cup > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 21 10:45:55 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:45:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) Message-ID: <1f75101f8ae4.1f8ae41f7510@indosat.net.id> Hi Fahad, Although audible benefit of aligning your deck will depend on its current condition, in my experience every old naks that i got (used) required extensive alignment. Please have any old 3 head naks (ZX/dragon/582/682) service manual handy and read the adjustment procedures before you touch any of the alignment screws. The step by step instructions should be quite clear and maybe i can help you a bit on less-complicated stuff. Are you a member of naktalk ? If you don't have the manuals then i can scan the zx procedures but it will take some time. Best regards & good luck, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 2:35 pm Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) > Can any of you guys help this fellow out?(see message below) He > reallyneeds more info than I have time to give. I'd really > appreciate it. I > really need to spend more time working on equipment & mics, and > less time > typing. Seriously. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM > Subject: Urgent > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > > I live a very long distance from you. Could you > > please, teach me how to calibrate my Nakamichi ZX9 and > > Dragon back to its original specification? > > Is calibration realy necessary? > > Will calibration affect the recording and playback > > sound quality? > > All gauges, test equipments and test tone tapes are > > available, please tell me what to do in steps. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Fahad > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jun 21 11:00:39 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:00:39 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Message-ID: <1f509b1f585d.1f585d1f509b@indosat.net.id> Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won with 10 players =) Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! cheers, sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is > beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to > predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild > guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will > win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans > will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who > will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and > Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo > will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 11:18:37 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:18:37 +0200 Subject: WARNING ! BEWARE ! was .. RE: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) In-Reply-To: <20020621085611.86199.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621104303.00a37a00@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621111237.00a0cd40@box.tin.it> NO I haven't said so. I have said that it is better to be of some help ... also ... the name is the same as the King Tribe .... but it could be just a case. Ezio At 01:56 AM 6/21/02 -0700, you wrote: >Are you saying something bad is going to happen >to Steve if he doesn't help????? >Javier > >--- Ezio wrote: > > BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > > The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! > > AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > > > > I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I > > have worked 3 years in > > United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales > > Manager for IBM Middle East > > and I have learnt something .... > > > > Ready to be of some help if possible. > > > > Ezio > > > > > > At 03:49 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >That's a pretty tall order. I cant believe the guy > > >had the nerve to ask for such a large task... > > >JCO > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:35 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon > > help) > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of you guys help this fellow out?(see > > message below) He really > > > > needs more info than I have time to give. I'd > > really appreciate it. I > > > > really need to spend more time working on > > equipment & mics, and less time > > > > typing. Seriously. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > > Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" > > > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM > > > > Subject: Urgent > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > I live a very long distance from you. Could > > you > > > > > please, teach me how to calibrate my Nakamichi > > ZX9 and > > > > > Dragon back to its original specification? > > > > > Is calibration realy necessary? > > > > > Will calibration affect the recording and > > playback > > > > > sound quality? > > > > > All gauges, test equipments and test tone > > tapes are > > > > > available, please tell me what to do in steps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Fahad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World > > Cup > > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------========= > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Jun 21 11:59:36 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:59:36 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Message-ID: Yeah, the pony-tail seems to be developing a habit of allowing such goals. It was high time for England to be roughly shaken awake and to re-evaluate their real quality - incredibly poor play with the extra man. Just reconfirms my view that they are helpless at their front end unless the other team makes it for them - like all their goals in this tournament except for the Heskey one against Denmark. I guess an imported coach is not enough - they have to get some import players as well, like in their Premiership league, which would be a dread to watch otherwise. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:00:39 +0700 Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won with 10 players =) Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! cheers, sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is > beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to > predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild > guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will > win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans > will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who > will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and > Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo > will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 12:17:44 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WARNING ! BEWARE ! was .. RE: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621111237.00a0cd40@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <20020621101744.16129.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> I was kidding Ezio. --- Ezio wrote: > NO I haven't said so. > I have said that it is better to be of some help ... > also ... the name is the same as the King Tribe .... > but it could be just a > case. > > Ezio > > At 01:56 AM 6/21/02 -0700, you wrote: > >Are you saying something bad is going to happen > >to Steve if he doesn't help????? > >Javier > > > >--- Ezio wrote: > > > BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > > > The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD > !!!!!!!!!!!! > > > AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > > > > > > I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir > .... I > > > have worked 3 years in > > > United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales > > > Manager for IBM Middle East > > > and I have learnt something .... > > > > > > Ready to be of some help if possible. > > > > > > Ezio > > > > > > > > > At 03:49 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: > > > >That's a pretty tall order. I cant believe the > guy > > > >had the nerve to ask for such a large task... > > > >JCO > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Stephen Sank > > > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:35 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon > > > help) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any of you guys help this fellow > out?(see > > > message below) He really > > > > > needs more info than I have time to give. > I'd > > > really appreciate it. I > > > > > really need to spend more time working on > > > equipment & mics, and less time > > > > > typing. Seriously. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic > Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka > Talking > > > Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Fahad Abu Al-Saud" > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 5:46 PM > > > > > Subject: Urgent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > I live a very long distance from you. > Could > > > you > > > > > > please, teach me how to calibrate my > Nakamichi > > > ZX9 and > > > > > > Dragon back to its original specification? > > > > > > Is calibration realy necessary? > > > > > > Will calibration affect the recording and > > > playback > > > > > > sound quality? > > > > > > All gauges, test equipments and test tone > > > tapes are > > > > > > available, please tell me what to do in > steps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Fahad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA > World > > > Cup > > > > > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --------========= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the > Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette > > > > > Deck resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > --------========= > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 12:24:52 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020621102452.72968.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Yes But now they'll have to go up against I think Turkey or Senegal without Ronaldino. Considering their game was entirely defensive after his bogus expulsion, they could be in trouble. It kind of plays into the hands of either of those two teams. I'de love to see either of them win but not at the expense of Brasil. Javier --- George Valkov wrote: > Yeah, the pony-tail seems to be developing a habit > of allowing such goals. > It was high time for England to be roughly shaken > awake and to re-evaluate > their real quality - incredibly poor play with the > extra man. Just > reconfirms my view that they are helpless at their > front end unless the > other team makes it for them - like all their goals > in this tournament > except for the Heskey one against Denmark. I guess > an imported coach is not > enough - they have to get some import players as > well, like in their > Premiership league, which would be a dread to watch > otherwise. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:00:39 +0700 > > > Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won > with 10 players =) > Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! > > cheers, > sm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is > > beyond that > > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... > So let's try to > > predict what > > happens next. > > > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It > is really a wild > > guess who > > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will > be Brazil. On the > > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, > and Germany will > > win with the > > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and > I am sure Germans > > will win > > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. > Brazil will be an > > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it > will be Brazil who > > will win. So the > > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and > > Korea ... > > The final standings ... > > > > 1. Brazil > > 2. Germany > > 3. Senegal > > 4. Korea > > > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > > > 1. Latin America > > 2. Europe > > 3. Africa > > 4. Asia/Pacific > > > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo > > will win > > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jun 21 17:03:42 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:03:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) References: Message-ID: <3D13404E.000001.00776@CopyTech> Yeah ! Sure Bleus, all European guys goes into the second leg. The first leg is for PR-USA & Canada only. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 14:33:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) Greetings Nak Marathoners..... We have progress to report on the M-Tape 1 recording. The second track which is completed by yours truly, and an update on the M-Tape info website. Have a look: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I would like to request information from these M-Tape 1 participants; Damon Josz, Ron ???, John Smokeovitch, Rob Hamilton. Also, I detect that we have a few European names listed with North American M-Tape 1, and they probably should be added to the Euro/Asian M-Tape 2. John Walker, Eddy Pollet, Roland Alford. Carlos, what shall we do about this little situation? Perhaps Graham can add these gentlemen to the M-Tape 2 list. Good news, this allows more North American wannabes to be able to participate on M-Tape 1! All for now, send your info and any .jpeg images you want to add for your photo opportunity on the webpage. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 201 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 21:23:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Yes But now they'll have to go up against I think Turkey or Senegal without Ronaldino. Considering their game was entirely defensive after his bogus expulsion, they could be in trouble. It kind of plays into the hands of either of those two teams. I'de love to see either of them win but not at the expense of Brasil. Javier --- George Valkov wrote: > Yeah, the pony-tail seems to be developing a habit > of allowing such goals. > It was high time for England to be roughly shaken > awake and to re-evaluate > their real quality - incredibly poor play with the > extra man. Just > reconfirms my view that they are helpless at their > front end unless the > other team makes it for them - like all their goals > in this tournament > except for the Heskey one against Denmark. I guess > an imported coach is not > enough - they have to get some import players as > well, like in their > Premiership league, which would be a dread to watch > otherwise. > > George > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:00:39 +0700 > > > Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won > with 10 players =) > Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! > > cheers, > sm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > football fever is > > beyond that > > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... > So let's try to > > predict what > > happens next. > > > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It > is really a wild > > guess who > > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will > be Brazil. On the > > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, > and Germany will > > win with the > > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and > I am sure Germans > > will win > > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. > Brazil will be an > > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it > will be Brazil who > > will win. So the > > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place > game Senegal and > > Korea ... > > The final standings ... > > > > 1. Brazil > > 2. Germany > > 3. Senegal > > 4. Korea > > > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > history) ... > > > > 1. Latin America > > 2. Europe > > 3. Africa > > 4. Asia/Pacific > > > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden > boot. Ronaldo > > will win > > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or > 3rd. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 17:10:14 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:10:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Stephen ... was ... Would you buy a STASIS ? In-Reply-To: <005801c218bd$a13536e0$433442cf@sank1> References: <003701c2186a$77f155a0$e6299bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621003232.00a35350@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621170918.00a0eb50@box.tin.it> Stephen would you buy a PA-7 ? ... you suggested a PA-7II ... Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Jun 21 17:15:50 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:15:50 -0400 Subject: WARNING ! BEWARE ! was .. RE: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) References: <00ee01c218f6$27042640$433442cf@sank1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621104303.00a37a00@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D134326.8080103@ol-jim.com> Ezio wrote: > BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! > AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > > I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I have worked 3 years > in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales Manager for IBM Middle > East and I have learnt something .... > > Ready to be of some help if possible. > > Ezio > Not to get to political, but the royal house of Saud is supporting Arab terrorism throughout the world. The majority of the 9-11 terrorists were Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to talk to any of the terrorists they supposedly have in custody, and it is Saudi financed schools that are creating most of the fundamentalist Muslims today. In short, this guy can go pound sand! Ol' Jim, hisself hisself at ol-jim.com "The United States does not have a security system, it has a system for bothering people!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 19:22:01 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:22:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <3D134326.8080103@ol-jim.com> References: <00ee01c218f6$27042640$433442cf@sank1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621104303.00a37a00@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> Not to be too much politic , but your understandings of Arab world is almost superficial. Al Saud Family condemned to death by beheading Bin Laden 9 years ago and withdrawn his Saudi citizenship. Reason = conspiracy against the Royal Family You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran etc. etc. Just to close with a short mention to RELIGIOUS stuff ... I am Roman Catholic (Christian) and I have been trained in a Bishop College for 8 years ... I have spent 3 years of my and my family life in those countries (United Arab Emirates + Saudi Arabia) . The God , Allah, is the same called Javeh by Jewish and God (Dio in Italian, Got in German Dieu in French etc. etc.) by Christians Orthodox , Protestant , Evangelic or whatsoever THE BOOK (so called by Arabs) i.e. The Bible is the same ... and St. Mary WAS STILL VIRGIN AFTER HAVING DELIVERED JESUS CHRIST ... so I don't think there is a big difference at the end ... not to mention that WE CHRISTIANS can have our Churches and our Church-properties there . Tolerance is something well practiced by Arabs at least as much as ''no discriminations against colored people'' is practiced by Americans. Integralism is something spoiling people mind and behaviors everywhere in the world ... would it be Zionism in Israel, Slavian superiority by Serbs against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats , Nazism superiority over Jewish and so on. We should be able to understand the difference between PROPAGANDA and REALITY. I do apologize to have taken position on this , but I think to be allowed to defend my opinions. Sincerely Ezio Lucenti At 11:15 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: >Ezio wrote: >>BEWARE !!!!!!!!! >>The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! >>AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! >>I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I have worked 3 years >>in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales Manager for IBM Middle >>East and I have learnt something .... >>Ready to be of some help if possible. >>Ezio > >Not to get to political, but the royal house of Saud is supporting Arab >terrorism throughout the world. The majority of the 9-11 terrorists were >Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to talk to any of the terrorists >they supposedly have in custody, and it is Saudi financed schools that are >creating most of the fundamentalist Muslims today. > >In short, this guy can go pound sand! > >Ol' Jim, hisself >hisself at ol-jim.com > >"The United States does not have a security system, it has a system for >bothering people!" > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 19:32:20 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:32:20 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a PA 5 - Stasis ? In-Reply-To: <3D13404E.000001.00776@CopyTech> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621193017.00a10d50@box.tin.it> Dears, what do you think about Nakamichi PA 5 Stasis ? Is it a good P.A. ? Stephen, you have mentioned PA 5 II among your best choices ... what about PA 5 ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 19:53:53 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WARNING ! BEWARE ! was .. RE: [naktalk] Fw: Urgent(ZX-9 & Dragon help) In-Reply-To: <3D134326.8080103@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <20020621175353.78082.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Yes Steve Be on the lookout for large airliners approaching your shop at high speed. Oh but wait a minute. They give advance warnings don't they. Steve Be on the lookout for a small Cessna instead. A few thoughts BTW: guys considering we all love to tinker with eletronic and mechanical gadgets, we are all potential terrorists! Seriously though guys, lets not start labeling people as terrorists. It's downright nasty. A few months ago an English guy on a different group was drawing comparisons between the Al-Queda (Who is Al anyways, he's the guy we should be looking for) against the US and the IRA against England. It occurred to me that if the IRA were to ever start using Al-Queda methods, There would be no more England! But who needs the IRA when u have Brasil! Javier Javier --- "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > Ezio wrote: > > BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > > The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD > !!!!!!!!!!!! > > AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > > > > I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... > I have worked 3 years > > in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales > Manager for IBM Middle > > East and I have learnt something .... > > > > Ready to be of some help if possible. > > > > Ezio > > > > Not to get to political, but the royal house of Saud > is supporting Arab > terrorism throughout the world. The majority of the > 9-11 terrorists > were Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to > talk to any of the > terrorists they supposedly have in custody, and it > is Saudi financed > schools that are creating most of the fundamentalist > Muslims today. > > In short, this guy can go pound sand! > > Ol' Jim, hisself > hisself at ol-jim.com > > "The United States does not have a security system, > it has a system for > bothering people!" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 20:00:43 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <20020621180043.85736.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Ezio There is a huge disconnect here between what the us government does for practical strategic reasons and what the entertainment industry tells the public. Most Americans have a Ted Koppel view of the world. It's the only view they ever get. Even the BBC is less biased! Javier --- Ezio wrote: > Not to be too much politic , but your > understandings of Arab world is > almost superficial. > Al Saud Family condemned to death by beheading Bin > Laden 9 years ago and > withdrawn his Saudi citizenship. > Reason = conspiracy against the Royal Family > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of > State Agency to understand > why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of > strategical weapons like AWAKS , > like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic strikers > etc. etc. > Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > spent 3 full days in Saudi > Arabia to run meetings and briefings DESCRIBED AS > WARM and FRIENDLY by > himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would > actually support > terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't perform the same > nor with Iraq, neither > with Sudan or Libya or Iran etc. etc. > > Just to close with a short mention to RELIGIOUS > stuff ... I am Roman > Catholic (Christian) and I have been trained in a > Bishop College for 8 > years ... I have spent 3 years of my and my family > life in those countries > (United Arab Emirates + Saudi Arabia) . > The God , Allah, is the same called Javeh by Jewish > and God (Dio in > Italian, Got in German Dieu in French etc. etc.) by > Christians Orthodox , > Protestant , Evangelic or whatsoever THE BOOK (so > called by Arabs) i.e. The > Bible is the same ... and St. Mary WAS STILL VIRGIN > AFTER HAVING DELIVERED > JESUS CHRIST ... so I don't think there is a big > difference at the end ... > not to mention that WE CHRISTIANS can have our > Churches and our > Church-properties there . > Tolerance is something well practiced by Arabs at > least as much as ''no > discriminations against colored people'' is > practiced by Americans. > Integralism is something spoiling people mind and > behaviors everywhere in > the world ... would it be Zionism in Israel, > Slavian superiority by Serbs > against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats , Nazism > superiority over Jewish and > so on. > We should be able to understand the difference > between PROPAGANDA and REALITY. > > I do apologize to have taken position on this , but > I think to be allowed > to defend my opinions. > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > At 11:15 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Ezio wrote: > >>BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > >>The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD > !!!!!!!!!!!! > >>AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > >>I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... > I have worked 3 years > >>in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales > Manager for IBM Middle > >>East and I have learnt something .... > >>Ready to be of some help if possible. > >>Ezio > > > >Not to get to political, but the royal house of > Saud is supporting Arab > >terrorism throughout the world. The majority of > the 9-11 terrorists were > >Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to talk to > any of the terrorists > >they supposedly have in custody, and it is Saudi > financed schools that are > >creating most of the fundamentalist Muslims today. > > > >In short, this guy can go pound sand! > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself > >hisself at ol-jim.com > > > >"The United States does not have a security system, > it has a system for > >bothering people!" > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jun 21 20:09:42 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:09:42 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <20020621180043.85736.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621200607.00a0aaa0@box.tin.it> I see ... but the reality ... may be somehow and somewhere not in the ''talk shows'' ... Here in Italy also there is some kind of racism rising against North African and Indians immigrants (all of them labelled as Muslims ...) but we should be able of some kind of understanding ... or the killing on the road will suddenly start like fire in the dried grass. .... sincerely Ezio At 11:00 AM 6/21/02 -0700, you wrote: >Ezio >There is a huge disconnect here between what the us >government does for practical strategic reasons and >what the entertainment industry tells the public. Most >Americans have a Ted Koppel view of the world. It's >the only view they ever get. Even the BBC is less >biased! >Javier > >--- Ezio wrote: > > Not to be too much politic , but your > > understandings of Arab world is > > almost superficial. > > Al Saud Family condemned to death by beheading Bin > > Laden 9 years ago and > > withdrawn his Saudi citizenship. > > Reason = conspiracy against the Royal Family > > > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of > > State Agency to understand > > why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of > > strategical weapons like AWAKS , > > like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic strikers > > etc. etc. > > Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > > spent 3 full days in Saudi > > Arabia to run meetings and briefings DESCRIBED AS > > WARM and FRIENDLY by > > himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would > > actually support > > terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't perform the same > > nor with Iraq, neither > > with Sudan or Libya or Iran etc. etc. > > > > Just to close with a short mention to RELIGIOUS > > stuff ... I am Roman > > Catholic (Christian) and I have been trained in a > > Bishop College for 8 > > years ... I have spent 3 years of my and my family > > life in those countries > > (United Arab Emirates + Saudi Arabia) . > > The God , Allah, is the same called Javeh by Jewish > > and God (Dio in > > Italian, Got in German Dieu in French etc. etc.) by > > Christians Orthodox , > > Protestant , Evangelic or whatsoever THE BOOK (so > > called by Arabs) i.e. The > > Bible is the same ... and St. Mary WAS STILL VIRGIN > > AFTER HAVING DELIVERED > > JESUS CHRIST ... so I don't think there is a big > > difference at the end ... > > not to mention that WE CHRISTIANS can have our > > Churches and our > > Church-properties there . > > Tolerance is something well practiced by Arabs at > > least as much as ''no > > discriminations against colored people'' is > > practiced by Americans. > > Integralism is something spoiling people mind and > > behaviors everywhere in > > the world ... would it be Zionism in Israel, > > Slavian superiority by Serbs > > against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats , Nazism > > superiority over Jewish and > > so on. > > We should be able to understand the difference > > between PROPAGANDA and REALITY. > > > > I do apologize to have taken position on this , but > > I think to be allowed > > to defend my opinions. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > At 11:15 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: > > >Ezio wrote: > > >>BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > > >>The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD > > !!!!!!!!!!!! > > >>AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > > >>I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... > > I have worked 3 years > > >>in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales > > Manager for IBM Middle > > >>East and I have learnt something .... > > >>Ready to be of some help if possible. > > >>Ezio > > > > > >Not to get to political, but the royal house of > > Saud is supporting Arab > > >terrorism throughout the world. The majority of > > the 9-11 terrorists were > > >Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to talk to > > any of the terrorists > > >they supposedly have in custody, and it is Saudi > > financed schools that are > > >creating most of the fundamentalist Muslims today. > > > > > >In short, this guy can go pound sand! > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself > > >hisself at ol-jim.com > > > > > >"The United States does not have a security system, > > it has a system for > > >bothering people!" > > > > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Italy lost, but Brazil won with 10 players =) Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! cheers, sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is > beyond that > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to > predict what > happens next. > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild > guess who > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will > win with the > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans > will win > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who > will win. So the > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and > Korea ... > The final standings ... > > 1. Brazil > 2. Germany > 3. Senegal > 4. Korea > > or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... > > 1. Latin America > 2. Europe > 3. Africa > 4. Asia/Pacific > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo > will win > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. > > Your thoughts? > > Stan > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jun 21 21:14:05 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:14:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <20020621102452.72968.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001b01c21957$cfc77640$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> "....bogus expulsion ...." It WAS a foul but I didn't think it merited his being sent off. It was barely a booking offence. There were other odd refereeing decisions, too, though I don't agree that Owen's fall in the Brazilian penalty area deserved a penalty - the referee made a good decision there, I thought. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 21 June 2002 11:25 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... Yes But now they'll have to go up against I think Turkey or Senegal without Ronaldino. Considering their game was entirely defensive after his bogus expulsion, they could be in trouble. It kind of plays into the hands of either of those two teams. I'de love to see either of them win but not at the expense of Brasil. Javier --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Jun 21 20:33:26 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <3D134316.000007.00776@CopyTech> Message-ID: <20020621183326.45458.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> I couldn't see the us germany match but my dad did and told me it was highway robbery. Javier --- El Magnifico wrote: > I really believe that the direct red card for > Ronaldi�o wasn't neccessary. > It was clearly non intentional but I'm happy because > they eliminated one of > the best teams with 10 players only, so, no excuses > for England. I still > believe that Brazil will win this cup. > > On the other hand, kudos for the USA team that now > are part of the best 8 > teams in the world after the disastrous 1998 cup. > That is very helpful for > all of those who have sons expecting to play at > college level soon. > > Best, > > Carlos > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 21:23:40 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > Yes > But now they'll have to go up against I think Turkey > or Senegal > without Ronaldino. Considering their game was > entirely > defensive after his bogus expulsion, they could be > in > trouble. It kind of plays into the hands of either > of > those two teams. I'de love to see either of them win > but not at the expense of Brasil. > Javier > > --- George Valkov wrote: > > Yeah, the pony-tail seems to be developing a habit > > of allowing such goals. > > It was high time for England to be roughly shaken > > awake and to re-evaluate > > their real quality - incredibly poor play with the > > extra man. Just > > reconfirms my view that they are helpless at their > > front end unless the > > other team makes it for them - like all their > goals > > in this tournament > > except for the Heskey one against Denmark. I guess > > an imported coach is not > > enough - they have to get some import players as > > well, like in their > > Premiership league, which would be a dread to > watch > > otherwise. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next > ... > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:00:39 +0700 > > > > > > Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won > > with 10 players =) > > Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! > > > > cheers, > > sm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stan Targowski > > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > > > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > > football fever is > > > beyond that > > > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... > > So let's try to > > > predict what > > > happens next. > > > > > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It > > is really a wild > > > guess who > > > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will > > be Brazil. On the > > > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with > Turkey, > > and Germany will > > > win with the > > > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and > > I am sure Germans > > > will win > > > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. > > Brazil will be an > > > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it > > will be Brazil who > > > will win. So the > > > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third > place > > game Senegal and > > > Korea ... > > > The final standings ... > > > > > > 1. Brazil > > > 2. Germany > > > 3. Senegal > > > 4. Korea > > > > > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > > history) ... > > > > > > 1. Latin America > > > 2. Europe > > > 3. Africa > > > 4. Asia/Pacific > > > > > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the > Golden > > boot. Ronaldo > > > will win > > > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd > or > > 3rd. > > > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > > . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jun 21 23:43:13 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:43:13 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621210027.00a0b450@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D139DF1.000001.02440@CopyTech> I would leave this decision and scheduling to our Europe' s secretary Ol Gra himself. It's easier that way. As long as still space in the tape, no problem but once the schedule is done, those interested may have to wait for the next Marathon Tape Saga. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 06:01:48 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) Please, consider me myself I among the European guys ... if possible. Thanks Ezio At 10:03 AM 6/21/02 -0500, you wrote: Yeah ! Sure Bleus, all European guys goes into the second leg. The first leg is for PR-USA & Canada only. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 14:33:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) Greetings Nak Marathoners..... We have progress to report on the M-Tape 1 recording. The second track which is completed by yours truly, and an update on the M-Tape info website. Have a look: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I would like to request information from these M-Tape 1 participants; Damon Josz, Ron ???, John Smokeovitch, Rob Hamilton. Also, I detect that we have a few European names listed with North American M-Tape 1, and they probably should be added to the Euro/Asian M-Tape 2. John Walker, Eddy Pollet, Roland Alford. Carlos, what shall we do about this little situation? Perhaps Graham can add these gentlemen to the M-Tape 2 list. Good news, this allows more North American wannabes to be able to participate on M-Tape 1! All for now, send your info and any .jpeg images you want to add for your photo opportunity on the webpage. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The Klipschorn, however folds a long horn into a more compact size that fits snugly into a room corner, turning the adjoining walls and floor into extensions of the horn. Klipschorn speakers have been in continuous production for more than 50 years. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jun 21 23:47:34 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:47:34 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... References: <20020621183326.45458.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D139EF6.000004.02440@CopyTech> Rumors like that are already spread. That failed goal attempt touched the defender hand after Oliver touched it. It should be a penalty, but what the hell, the umpires has been a disaster in this world cup anyway. Again, congratulations to all US Team. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 07:20:40 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... I couldn't see the us germany match but my dad did and told me it was highway robbery. Javier --- El Magnifico wrote: > I really believe that the direct red card for > Ronaldiño wasn't neccessary. > It was clearly non intentional but I'm happy because > they eliminated one of > the best teams with 10 players only, so, no excuses > for England. I still > believe that Brazil will win this cup. > > On the other hand, kudos for the USA team that now > are part of the best 8 > teams in the world after the disastrous 1998 cup. > That is very helpful for > all of those who have sons expecting to play at > college level soon. > > Best, > > Carlos > > -------Original Message------- > > From: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 21:23:40 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > Yes > But now they'll have to go up against I think Turkey > or Senegal > without Ronaldino. Considering their game was > entirely > defensive after his bogus expulsion, they could be > in > trouble. It kind of plays into the hands of either > of > those two teams. I'de love to see either of them win > but not at the expense of Brasil. > Javier > > --- George Valkov wrote: > > Yeah, the pony-tail seems to be developing a habit > > of allowing such goals. > > It was high time for England to be roughly shaken > > awake and to re-evaluate > > their real quality - incredibly poor play with the > > extra man. Just > > reconfirms my view that they are helpless at their > > front end unless the > > other team makes it for them - like all their > goals > > in this tournament > > except for the Heskey one against Denmark. I guess > > an imported coach is not > > enough - they have to get some import players as > > well, like in their > > Premiership league, which would be a dread to > watch > > otherwise. > > > > George > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next > ... > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:00:39 +0700 > > > > > > Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won > > with 10 players =) > > Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! > > > > cheers, > > sm > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stan Targowski > > Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > > > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, > > football fever is > > > beyond that > > > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... > > So let's try to > > > predict what > > > happens next. > > > > > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It > > is really a wild > > > guess who > > > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will > > be Brazil. On the > > > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with > Turkey, > > and Germany will > > > win with the > > > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and > > I am sure Germans > > > will win > > > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. > > Brazil will be an > > > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it > > will be Brazil who > > > will win. So the > > > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third > place > > game Senegal and > > > Korea ... > > > The final standings ... > > > > > > 1. Brazil > > > 2. Germany > > > 3. Senegal > > > 4. Korea > > > > > > or if you will (that's probably first one in > > history) ... > > > > > > 1. Latin America > > > 2. Europe > > > 3. Africa > > > 4. Asia/Pacific > > > > > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the > Golden > > boot. Ronaldo > > > will win > > > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd > or > > 3rd. > > > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ===== > > > . __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jun 21 23:50:23 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:50:23 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D139F9F.000007.02440@CopyTech> Ezio: You are right, but, after a couple of years in this list we have learned that topics like that are better to be avoid than to elaborate. SO ..., let's change channels and back to Nak.com ... Cheers ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 04:28:46 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . Not to be too much politic , but your understandings of Arab world is almost superficial. Al Saud Family condemned to death by beheading Bin Laden 9 years ago and withdrawn his Saudi citizenship. Reason = conspiracy against the Royal Family You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran etc. etc. Just to close with a short mention to RELIGIOUS stuff ... I am Roman Catholic (Christian) and I have been trained in a Bishop College for 8 years ... I have spent 3 years of my and my family life in those countries (United Arab Emirates + Saudi Arabia) . The God , Allah, is the same called Javeh by Jewish and God (Dio in Italian, Got in German Dieu in French etc. etc.) by Christians Orthodox , Protestant , Evangelic or whatsoever THE BOOK (so called by Arabs) i.e. The Bible is the same ... and St. Mary WAS STILL VIRGIN AFTER HAVING DELIVERED JESUS CHRIST ... so I don't think there is a big difference at the end ... not to mention that WE CHRISTIANS can have our Churches and our Church-properties there . Tolerance is something well practiced by Arabs at least as much as ''no discriminations against colored people'' is practiced by Americans. Integralism is something spoiling people mind and behaviors everywhere in the world ... would it be Zionism in Israel, Slavian superiority by Serbs against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats , Nazism superiority over Jewish and so on. We should be able to understand the difference between PROPAGANDA and REALITY. I do apologize to have taken position on this , but I think to be allowed to defend my opinions. Sincerely Ezio Lucenti At 11:15 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: >Ezio wrote: >>BEWARE !!!!!!!!! >>The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! >>AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! >>I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I have worked 3 years >>in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales Manager for IBM Middle >>East and I have learnt something .... >>Ready to be of some help if possible. >>Ezio > >Not to get to political, but the royal house of Saud is supporting Arab >terrorism throughout the world. The majority of the 9-11 terrorists were >Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to talk to any of the terrorists >they supposedly have in custody, and it is Saudi financed schools that are >creating most of the fundamentalist Muslims today. > >In short, this guy can go pound sand! > >Ol' Jim, hisself >hisself at ol-jim.com > >"The United States does not have a security system, it has a system for >bothering people!" > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== ====== Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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What is more, they are hooked up to a Yamaha Receiver (RX-992V?), and the source is APEX DVD Player - interconnects, simple $5 cables. The detail is not quite there, but the 85W/channel Yamaha drives them very well (no wonder 98 db/Watt/meter) - I can't get such loudness from Mirage's driven by 200W/Channel Adcom - nor do I try. (And, I sleep better at night knowing that my reference system is in tact.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Exstedt Sent: Fri, June 21, 2002 3:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Paul W. Klipsch is dead Paul W. Klipsch, Audio Pioneer, died last month. I don’t expect anybody to like Klipsch speakers, but here’s my tribute to a man many years in the audio business. The following is from an article in the new Sound and Vision magazine: Inventor, scientist, and audio pioneer Paul W. Klipsch, founder of the speaker company that bears his name, died in early May at the age of 98. He held 12 patents in acoustics, plus eight in geophysical exploration and three in ballistics, and is best known for the Klipschorn which he patented in 1945. Normally a horn driver able to produce deep bass notes would be impractically long. The Klipschorn, however folds a long horn into a more compact size that fits snugly into a room corner, turning the adjoining walls and floor into extensions of the horn. Klipschorn speakers have been in continuous production for more than 50 years. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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That was a great >goal, though ... fabulous! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >smarzuki at indosat.net.id >Sent: 21 June 2002 10:01 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > >Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won with 10 players =) >Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! > >cheers, >sm > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Stan Targowski >Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... > > > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is > > beyond that > > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... > > > > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to > > predict what > > happens next. > > > > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild > > guess who > > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the > > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will > > win with the > > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans > > will win > > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an > > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who > > will win. So the > > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and > > Korea ... > > The final standings ... > > > > 1. Brazil > > 2. Germany > > 3. Senegal > > 4. Korea > > > > or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... > > > > 1. Latin America > > 2. Europe > > 3. Africa > > 4. Asia/Pacific > > > > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo > > will win > > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. > > > > Your thoughts? > > > > Stan > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 02:46:02 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 02:46:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622021306.00a38e80@box.tin.it> References: <001a01c21957$2547b220$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> <1f509b1f585d.1f585d1f509b@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622023637.00a3dae0@box.tin.it> >Italy was kicked OFF the Wc because it is a Team of DONKEYS ! The middle - field players don't deserve a Serie B (second league) team. All of them BRAIN UNPAIRED ! You can have clearly seen as the Maldini + Cannavaro + Nesta launches were ALWAYS made skipping them ... and directly to Vieri or Totti ... not even the co-teamers were trusting the middle-fielders !!!!!!!!!! ... and this was clear to me before the start of the Cup and demonstrated during the Cup. We Italians have been kicked off because we deserved it ! Then 5 valid goals cancelled by drunk or ''smoked'' referees can break the legs to mediocre teams but NOT TO CHAMPIONS ... remember Paolo Rossi scoring 3 goals to Brazil or Italy winning 4 to 3 over Germany ... The remaining is good for chats at the nearest ''Italian Bar'' .... or cloaks . Let see Brazil regulate the others .... but I don't think this World Cup is one of the most technical one I ever seen ... I don't like Brazil too ... I was preferring England ! (unbelievable !) Ezio >At 08:09 PM 6/21/02 +0100, you wrote: >>Correction! The goals were scored while they had 11 players on the field. >>It also helped that England were playing 11 donkeys! That was a great >>goal, though ... fabulous! >> >>Graham >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>smarzuki at indosat.net.id >>Sent: 21 June 2002 10:01 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... >> >> >> >>Score one for Stan ... Italy lost, but Brazil won with 10 players =) >>Magnificent goal by Ronaldinho! >> >>cheers, >>sm >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Stan Targowski >>Date: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:15 pm >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT - World CUP - next ... >> >> > "For Nakamichi there is always a Master Card, football fever is >> > beyond that >> > ..." Sorry guys for this OT discussion ... >> > >> > Ezio - looks like both of our teams are out ... So let's try to >> > predict what >> > happens next. >> > >> > I feel that South Korea will win with Spain. It is really a wild >> > guess who >> > will win Brazil - England game. I think it will be Brazil. On the >> > otherside, Senegal for sure will win with Turkey, and Germany will >> > win with the >> > US. So, then it will be Germans and Koreans, and I am sure Germans >> > will win >> > (although I'd rather see Korea). Senegal vs. Brazil will be an >> > interestingone. My heart is for Senegal, but it will be Brazil who >> > will win. So the >> > final will be Brazil vs. Germany, and third place game Senegal and >> > Korea ... >> > The final standings ... >> > >> > 1. Brazil >> > 2. Germany >> > 3. Senegal >> > 4. Korea >> > >> > or if you will (that's probably first one in history) ... >> > >> > 1. Latin America >> > 2. Europe >> > 3. Africa >> > 4. Asia/Pacific >> > >> > Ronaldo and Klase will be fighting for the Golden boot. Ronaldo >> > will win >> > with 7. Diop will be close there, probably 2nd or 3rd. >> > >> > Your thoughts? >> > >> > Stan >> > >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Sat Jun 22 03:59:11 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:59:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> References: <3D134326.8080103@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <3D13A1AF.26707.CCEF7@localhost> > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to > understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical > weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic > strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings > DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi > Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't > perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran > etc. etc. Our State department has never been more than apologists for the evil in our world. Colin Powell fits right in with their fuzzy-headed liberal world view. One small question - are the Saudis sending funds to the families of genocide bombers or not? > The God , Allah, is > the same called Javeh by Jewish Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over 50 years. The Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or Jehovah. That was a literal transliteration of the acronym for the word Adonoi, which is how the Jews refer to God. BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, not you. OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 04:08:28 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 04:08:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re:PEACE ... it was ... Integralism . In-Reply-To: <3D13A1AF.26707.CCEF7@localhost> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> <3D134326.8080103@ol-jim.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622040321.00a09030@box.tin.it> > >BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, not you. Yeah ! Jim ... I understood . No probs ... a smile for you and the other mates :o) ... :o) >OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. Me too ... with friendly feelings. smile :o) .... :o) ... >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 22 11:08:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:08:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape - The European Leg .... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622014340.00a1cc60@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <004801c219cc$5a1f03c0$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> Okay! All those in Europe who want to partake in this exercise, please send me your snail-mail addresses by e-mail to: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thank you. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 11:36:40 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:36:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... In-Reply-To: <004801c219cc$5a1f03c0$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622014340.00a1cc60@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622113432.009fc2c0@box.tin.it> Whoever thinks to soccer as something still serious , please , make a step forward . Korea in semi-final !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just ask how worth is for FIFA . Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 22 12:03:05 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:03:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622113432.009fc2c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <005a01c219d4$00d7d0a0$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> LOL! I want Korea or Senegal to win!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 22 June 2002 10:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... Whoever thinks to soccer as something still serious , please , make a step forward . Korea in semi-final !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just ask how worth is for FIFA . Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 22 14:23:49 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 07:23:49 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622113432.009fc2c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D146C55.000001.01860@CopyTech> Now I Have to fully agree with Ezio . What the hell is going on here ? Can somebody tell me if this kind of arbitration has ever been seen in a Mundial" before ? Yeah, Ezio, how much is for FIFA there ? This is a global joke. Just what we need in this moment of global economical crisis ... SHIT ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 20:39:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... Whoever thinks to soccer as something still serious , please , make a step forward . Korea in semi-final !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just ask how worth is for FIFA . Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a PA 5 - Stasis ? > > > Dears, what do you think about Nakamichi PA 5 Stasis ? > Is it a good P.A. ? > > Stephen, you have mentioned PA 5 II among your best choices ... what about > PA 5 ? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <00ee01c218f6$27042640$433442cf@sank1> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621104303.00a37a00@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621185111.00a13090@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D1481C9.483A0C8@rcn.com> Gee, I swore I wasn't going to get sucked into this, but can't let some of your remarks go by without setting the record straight. Here goes: Ezio wrote: > Not to be too much politic , but your understandings of Arab world is > almost superficial. > Al Saud Family condemned to death by beheading Bin Laden 9 years ago and > withdrawn his Saudi citizenship. > Reason = conspiracy against the Royal Family Exactly. The Saudis are playing the world famous Arab game of saying one thing from one side of their mouth, then turning around and saying the opposite through the other side. In truth, they applaud Bin Laden's terrorism against The Evil West, they just don't tolerate him doing it outside their party line. > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to understand > why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical weapons like AWAKS , > like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic strikers etc. etc. > Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has spent 3 full days in Saudi > Arabia to run meetings and briefings DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by > himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would actually support > terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't perform the same nor with Iraq, neither > with Sudan or Libya or Iran etc. etc. The Republican administration differentiates between bad terrorists and not-so-bad terrorists. The bad ones are those that blow up the WTC and/or other targets in the US. The not-so-bad ones are, well, just about all the others. > Just to close with a short mention to RELIGIOUS stuff ... I am Roman > Catholic (Christian) and I have been trained in a Bishop College for 8 > years ... I have spent 3 years of my and my family life in those countries > (United Arab Emirates + Saudi Arabia) . > The God , Allah, is the same called Javeh by Jewish... 'Fraid not. Both Judaism and Islam believe in one God, but it's not the same one. > ... and God (Dio in > Italian, Got in German Dieu in French etc. etc.) by Christians Orthodox , > Protestant , Evangelic or whatsoever THE BOOK (so called by Arabs) i.e. The > Bible is the same ... Huh? Islam believes in the Koran, NOT the Bible. > and St. Mary WAS STILL VIRGIN AFTER HAVING DELIVERED > JESUS CHRIST ... so I don't think there is a big difference at the end ... Tell that to the millions of Jews murdered throughout history by people those that believed that there was a huge difference. > not to mention that WE CHRISTIANS can have our Churches and our > Church-properties there. And Jews can't get a visa to even visit the place. > Tolerance is something well practiced by Arabs at least as much as ''no > discriminations against colored people'' is practiced by Americans. > Integralism is something spoiling people mind and behaviors everywhere in > the world ... would it be Zionism in Israel, Slavian superiority by Serbs > against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats , Nazism superiority over Jewish and > so on. It is beyond me how you can put Zionism in the same sentence with that crap -- especially, Nazism. Do you have any idea what Zionism actually is? > We should be able to understand the difference between PROPAGANDA and REALITY. > > I do apologize to have taken position on this , but I think to be allowed > to defend my opinions. Yea, even those that are indefensible. -- Ron > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > At 11:15 AM 6/21/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Ezio wrote: > >>BEWARE !!!!!!!!! > >>The Sir asking Stephen is named AL SAUD !!!!!!!!!!!! > >>AL SAUD is the KING OF SAUDI ARABIA TRIBE NAME ! > >>I would definitively TRY to SATISFY this Sir .... I have worked 3 years > >>in United Arab Emirates being the hardware Sales Manager for IBM Middle > >>East and I have learnt something .... > >>Ready to be of some help if possible. > >>Ezio > > > >Not to get to political, but the royal house of Saud is supporting Arab > >terrorism throughout the world. The majority of the 9-11 terrorists were > >Saudis, the Saudis will not allow the US to talk to any of the terrorists > >they supposedly have in custody, and it is Saudi financed schools that are > >creating most of the fundamentalist Muslims today. > > > >In short, this guy can go pound sand! > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself > >hisself at ol-jim.com > > > >"The United States does not have a security system, it has a system for > >bothering people!" > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 22 16:08:06 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:08:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . References: <3D134326.8080103@ol-jim.com> <3D13A1AF.26707.CCEF7@localhost> Message-ID: <3D1484C6.6A195259@rcn.com> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to > > understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical > > weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic > > strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > > spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings > > DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi > > Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't > > perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran > > etc. etc. > > Our State department has never been more than apologists for the > evil in our world. Colin Powell fits right in with their fuzzy-headed > liberal world view. One small question - are the Saudis sending > funds to the families of genocide bombers or not? > > > The God , Allah, is > > the same called Javeh by Jewish > > Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over 50 years. The > Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or Jehovah. That was > a literal transliteration of the acronym for the word Adonoi, which is > how the Jews refer to God. I am given to understand that the name 'Yehova' appears in the Bible many times with reference to God. Not an acronym to Adonai (literal translation: Our Masters), or to 'The Holy Blessed Be He' (another often encountered reference to God). The word 'Yehova' is so holy, Jews will will not pronounce it, but rather say 'Hashem' (meaning, 'The Name') when reading the Bible out loud. -- Ron > BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, not you. > > OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <3D13A1AF.26707.CCEF7@localhost> Message-ID: <20020622145102.52343.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Javeh ~~ Javier Seems reasonable! > > Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over 50 > years. The > Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or Jehovah. > That was > a literal transliteration of the acronym for the > word Adonoi, which is > how the Jews refer to God. > > BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, > not you. > > OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. > That reminds me of a true hollywood story W.C. fields sez to an actor "if you don't do ... -whatever- you're fired" The actor responds "I don't care I'll go work at Metro-Goldwin-Meyer. WC: "They won't hire you. They're all jews." The actor: "No they're not they're Catholics. WC "Worst kind of Jews" See Ya Javier Da Catlick __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 22 17:51:42 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 10:51:42 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) References: <3D14851B.8060907@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D149D0E.000001.01704@CopyTech> N0 problem, Johnnie. The tape in use is a custom load Maxell XL II in a Shape Mark 10 shell done in my factory. It shouldn't be any problem for your oldie one. As far as musical selection and source, is completely up to you as long as you keep the lenght under 5 minutes. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 22, 2002 01:08:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) I am happy to be in either group - keeping the European group together seems sensible. One question. My Nak is an old 700 MkII, which can only handle Fe or CrO2 tape, NOT metal. Will this be compatible with what the group plans? I believe that my vinyl-based source will be up to the job. As for the music. I will probably record a track by Terry Evans off his excellent Audioquest album "Puttin it Down". I don't normally go for audiophile" recordings, but this is an exception. (Each track was recorded live", and the musicians include Ry Cooder and Jim Keltner - Evans is one of Cooder's regular backing singers, for those of you who don't know him. ) El Magnifico wrote: Yeah ! Sure Bleus, all European guys goes into the second leg. The first leg is for PR-USA & Canada only. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, June 20, 2002 14:33:11 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) Greetings Nak Marathoners..... We have progress to report on the M-Tape 1 recording. The second track which is completed by yours truly, and an update on the M-Tape info website. Have a look: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I would like to request information from these M-Tape 1 participants; Damon Josz, Ron ???, John Smokeovitch, Rob Hamilton. Also, I detect that we have a few European names listed with North American M-Tape 1, and they probably should be added to the Euro/Asian M-Tape 2. John Walker, Eddy Pollet, Roland Alford. Carlos, what shall we do about this little situation? Perhaps Graham can add these gentlemen to the M-Tape 2 list. Good news, this allows more North American wannabes to be able to participate on M-Tape 1! 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Why then, did the western powers take the side of the muslims, very simply, in order to preserve friendship with Germany, Marginalize Russia and also very importantly, to be seen in the Islamic world as defenders of muslim people. Well, I guess that last part didn't work so good. See Ya Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jun 22 17:32:59 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:32:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . References: <20020622151616.65660.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D1498AB.6070203@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 17:51:46 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 17:51:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a PA 5 - Stasis ? In-Reply-To: <022501c219e2$386a5070$835c33d5@cc132114a> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621193017.00a10d50@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622175129.00a29c80@box.tin.it> Thanks Ezio At 01:44 PM 6/22/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >i bought recently a PA5 /CA5 combination in Germany and it sounds very >good. The end amp becomes very hot but this seems to be normal for this >types. I would recommend buying it. > >Norman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ezio" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a PA 5 - Stasis ? > > > > > > > > Dears, what do you think about Nakamichi PA 5 Stasis ? > > Is it a good P.A. ? > > > > Stephen, you have mentioned PA 5 II among your best choices ... what about > > PA 5 ? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 18:03:44 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 11:03:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism and World Cup . In-Reply-To: <3D1498AB.6070203@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: I agree with John. Interesting thought, though, about a mini WWIII armed with cassette decks and cassettes. Stan Targowski (who had two national teams in this Cup, and didn't feel a need to lob a tomahawk at neither Berlin or Seoul.) Now assuming Turkey is 1/2 in Europe and 1/2 in Asia, we have in the top 4 ... 1.5 Asian Countries. 1.5 European Countries 1 Latin American Country I miss Senegal ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sat, June 22, 2002 10:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . Where has all this political/racial/nationalistic/religious ill-feeling all come from suddenly? Could you guys PLEASE take all of this off-topic, before we start a mini World War 3, armed only with cassette decks? John Walker (an Englishman, whose team was defeated by the clearly superior Brazillians yesterday, but still managed to do a day's work without needing to lob a Tomahawk at Rio de Janeiro...) Javier Perez wrote: Slavian superiority by Serbs against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats Now wait a minute guy. If there was any racial or ethnic supremacy it was on the other side. it was the premature German recognition of it's old WW2 ally Croatia that started this thing. IMHO the Serbs have been the most sorely misused party in all of this. As for the muslim side of the conflict, it is interesting to note that many of the complaints made by Serbs against them are now being repeated almost word for word by the US in reference to Al-Queda. Why then, did the western powers take the side of the muslims, very simply, in order to preserve friendship with Germany, Marginalize Russia and also very importantly, to be seen in the Islamic world as defenders of muslim people. Well, I guess that last part didn't work so good. See Ya Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 22 18:57:43 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:57:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting Message-ID: <002701c21a0f$711c31e0$89299bca@smarzuki> Hi techfolks, Is it possible to set bias voltage of an amp without service manual? Is there any 'general' guidance to set bias voltage to fall in approximate setting range? I have 2 adcom car amps, one runs cool while the other seems a bit hot with fan running loud. I tried turning down one pot (there are 2 per channel) and that particular channel's temperature went down slightly, turned down same pot again and it got hot again ?! The point marked "TP reg" measure 34.4V, no change with trimpot. Better yet, if anybody happen to have gfa 4304's service manual ... =) I tried writing adcom for 2 weeks, no reply. Thanks in advance, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 22 19:14:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:14:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622113432.009fc2c0@box.tin.it> <3D146C55.000001.01860@CopyTech> Message-ID: <006a01c21a10$47820f20$89299bca@smarzuki> Sorry to keep 'football people' bored: South korea + Referee + 2 assistant referees = unbeatable team ! Brazil will have all its goals cancelled ... what an interesting event we have now. If i'm not mistaken we have Ural Durusu from Turkey awhile ago .... congrats .... much more interesting game than the korea one and if it's not for Sukur you would've won 7-0 ! cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... Now I Have to fully agree with Ezio . What the hell is going on here ? Can somebody tell me if this kind of arbitration has ever been seen in a "Mundial" before ? Yeah, Ezio, how much is for FIFA there ? This is a global joke. Just what we need in this moment of global economical crisis ... SHIT ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 20:39:41 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... Whoever thinks to soccer as something still serious , please , make a step forward . Korea in semi-final !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just ask how worth is for FIFA . Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 22 19:28:10 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:28:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a PA 5 - Stasis ? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621193017.00a10d50@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020622175129.00a29c80@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <008e01c21a12$2ee22020$89299bca@smarzuki> I'd also recommend PA amps, 'i think' i can hear the difference. =) probably because i'm not used to higher end sound before ... Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a PA 5 - Stasis ? Thanks Ezio At 01:44 PM 6/22/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, > >i bought recently a PA5 /CA5 combination in Germany and it sounds very >good. The end amp becomes very hot but this seems to be normal for this >types. I would recommend buying it. > >Norman > >----- Original Message ----- ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 22 19:41:22 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:41:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism and World Cup . References: Message-ID: <009f01c21a14$06d6be40$89299bca@smarzuki> Amen, let's stop this politcal / religion thing off-naktalk (not only off topic !). btw it started again from one mister Fahad who's not even on naklist .... i'll send him the zx manual soon so that the ww3 spirit will go away ! So what game's left ... german vs korea and brazil vs turkey ? with all the luck fifa has so far, the final will be korea vs turkey and korea wins through a penalty duel ... 2006 seems to be a long time. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Integralism and World Cup . I agree with John. Interesting thought, though, about a mini WWIII armed with cassette decks and cassettes. Stan Targowski (who had two national teams in this Cup, and didn't feel a need to lob a tomahawk at neither Berlin or Seoul.) Now assuming Turkey is 1/2 in Europe and 1/2 in Asia, we have in the top 4 ... 1.5 Asian Countries. 1.5 European Countries 1 Latin American Country I miss Senegal ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sat, June 22, 2002 10:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . Where has all this political/racial/nationalistic/religious ill-feeling all come from suddenly? Could you guys PLEASE take all of this off-topic, before we start a mini World War 3, armed only with cassette decks? John Walker (an Englishman, whose team was defeated by the clearly superior Brazillians yesterday, but still managed to do a day's work without needing to lob a Tomahawk at Rio de Janeiro...) Javier Perez wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Sat Jun 22 19:50:04 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 13:50:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Response to Nasty Catholic Joke In-Reply-To: <20020622145102.52343.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D13A1AF.26707.CCEF7@localhost> Message-ID: <3D14808C.14097.1570E8A@localhost> > > > That reminds me of a true hollywood story > > W.C. fields sez to an actor "if you don't do ... > -whatever- you're fired" > > The actor responds "I don't care I'll go work at > Metro-Goldwin-Meyer. > > WC: "They won't hire you. They're all jews." > > The actor: "No they're not they're Catholics. > > WC "Worst kind of Jews" > > See Ya > Javier > Da Catlick > I love it!! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 22 19:59:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 18:59:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <3D1498AB.6070203@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <009701c21a16$8b412420$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> John Walker (an Englishman, whose team was defeated by the clearly superior Brazillians yesterday, but still managed to do a day's work without needing to lob a Tomahawk at Rio de Janeiro...) [Graham replies ....] John, that's only 'cos you couldn't find The Big Red Button!!! ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.371 / Virus Database: 206 - Release Date: 13/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 20:09:37 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:09:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] referees ... exclusive SECRET picture !!!!!!! . In-Reply-To: <009701c21a16$8b412420$40bd87d9@a4s1s2> References: <3D1498AB.6070203@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622200753.00a0ab70@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . Where has all this political/racial/nationalistic/religious ill-feeling all come from suddenly? Could you guys PLEASE take all of this off-topic, before we start a mini World War 3, armed only with cassette decks? John Walker (an Englishman, whose team was defeated by the clearly superior Brazillians yesterday, but still managed to do a day's work without needing to lob a Tomahawk at Rio de Janeiro...) Javier Perez wrote: Slavian superiority by Serbs against Kossovo, Bosniacs or Croats Now wait a minute guy. If there was any racial or ethnic supremacy it was on the other side. it was the premature German recognition of it's old WW2 ally Croatia that started this thing. IMHO the Serbs have been the most sorely misused party in all of this. As for the muslim side of the conflict, it is interesting to note that many of the complaints made by Serbs against them are now being repeated almost word for word by the US in reference to Al-Queda. Why then, did the western powers take the side of the muslims, very simply, in order to preserve friendship with Germany, Marginalize Russia and also very importantly, to be seen in the Islamic world as defenders of muslim people. Well, I guess that last part didn't work so good. See Ya Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Some amps use enough DC NFB to make the first unnecessary. To adjust quiescent current you don't need the full service manual, just the spec for your particular amp. If set too high it could eventually blow the output stage. If set too low, the amp won't sound it's best. The spec is usually given as so many millivolts across the output transistors emitter resistor. Needless to say, it depends on the value of this resistor and it's a good idea to measure it and verify that it's within specs. The Manufacturer's Service may be willing to give you this figure over the phone. Since you already have an amp that you're happy with, you could also measure it and adjust the other one accordingly. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi techfolks, > > Is it possible to set bias voltage of an amp without service manual? Is > there any 'general' guidance to set bias voltage to fall in approximate > setting range? I have 2 adcom car amps, one runs cool while the other seems > a bit hot with fan running loud. I tried turning down one pot (there are 2 > per channel) and that particular channel's temperature went down slightly, > turned down same pot again and it got hot again ?! The point marked "TP > reg" measure 34.4V, no change with trimpot. > > Better yet, if anybody happen to have gfa 4304's service manual ... =) I > tried writing adcom for 2 weeks, no reply. > > Thanks in advance, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat Jun 22 22:35:34 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:35:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] World Cup . In-Reply-To: <009f01c21a14$06d6be40$89299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Salim - couldn't agree with you more re: this world cup. I think the final should be Korea vs Turkey and should go beyond normal time, overtime, and penalties. I.e., it should be decided based on flipping the coin. South Korea + Referee + 2 assistant referees + fake double tails coin = 2002 World Champions ! Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Sat, June 22, 2002 12:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism and World Cup . Amen, let's stop this politcal / religion thing off-naktalk (not only off topic !). btw it started again from one mister Fahad who's not even on naklist .... i'll send him the zx manual soon so that the ww3 spirit will go away ! So what game's left ... german vs korea and brazil vs turkey ? with all the luck fifa has so far, the final will be korea vs turkey and korea wins through a penalty duel ... 2006 seems to be a long time. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Integralism and World Cup . I agree with John. Interesting thought, though, about a mini WWIII armed with cassette decks and cassettes. Stan Targowski (who had two national teams in this Cup, and didn't feel a need to lob a tomahawk at neither Berlin or Seoul.) Now assuming Turkey is 1/2 in Europe and 1/2 in Asia, we have in the top 4 ... 1.5 Asian Countries. 1.5 European Countries 1 Latin American Country I miss Senegal ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sat, June 22, 2002 10:33 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . Where has all this political/racial/nationalistic/religious ill-feeling all come from suddenly? Could you guys PLEASE take all of this off-topic, before we start a mini World War 3, armed only with cassette decks? John Walker (an Englishman, whose team was defeated by the clearly superior Brazillians yesterday, but still managed to do a day's work without needing to lob a Tomahawk at Rio de Janeiro...) Javier Perez wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sat Jun 22 22:43:52 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:43:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2406 Message-ID: <200206221643_MC3-1-370-C2C1@compuserve.com> Hi Salim, I am here in the US, but I grew up in Turkey. You are correct on your observation that Hakan Sukur guy, there was a huge critisizm against him, whether he should be in the team for this game. After all his misses, he was replaced by Ilhan Mansiz, who scored the golden goal. Who was the guy that said Senegal will certainly win?! : ) The US team is out, but seems like even if they got the world-cup, there would not be much celebration going on for the team. I don't have cable TV, therefore the only source for soccer games are the local Mexican TV channels. I am more sorry for the Mexicans, who lost agaist US. I would expect that the European teams will become more nationalistic after this world cup. The Korean guy who scored the golden goal against Italy is already labeled as "traitor" and kicked out of the Italian team (Pelagio?) he was playing. Many of the Turkish players are in Italian/UK teams as well, where they are trained to play good soccer. Next, Brasiiilll! _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:14:33 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... Sorry to keep 'football people' bored: South korea + Referee + 2 assistant referees = unbeatable team ! Brazil will have all its goals cancelled ... what an interesting event we have now. If i'm not mistaken we have Ural Durusu from Turkey awhile ago .... congrats .... much more interesting game than the korea one and if it's not for Sukur you would've won 7-0 ! cheers, salim sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 22 23:58:41 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:58:41 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2406 References: <200206221643_MC3-1-370-C2C1@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <3D14F311.000001.01488@CopyTech> I'm still for Brazil, but after all these, I don't know anymore ! Nakfun for all ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, June 22, 2002 07:44:54 To: INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2406 Hi Salim, I am here in the US, but I grew up in Turkey. You are correct on your observation that Hakan Sukur guy, there was a huge critisizm against him, whether he should be in the team for this game. After all his misses, he was replaced by Ilhan Mansiz, who scored the golden goal. Who was the guy that said Senegal will certainly win?! : ) The US team is out, but seems like even if they got the world-cup, there would not be much celebration going on for the team. I don't have cable TV, therefore the only source for soccer games are the local Mexican TV channels. I am more sorry for the Mexicans, who lost agaist US. I would expect that the European teams will become more nationalistic after this world cup. The Korean guy who scored the golden goal against Italy is already labeled as "traitor" and kicked out of the Italian team (Pelagio?) he was playing. Many of the Turkish players are in Italian/UK teams as well, where they are trained to play good soccer. Next, Brasiiilll! _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:14:33 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: ... whoever thinks to soccer ... Sorry to keep 'football people' bored: South korea + Referee + 2 assistant referees = unbeatable team ! Brazil will have all its goals cancelled ... what an interesting event we have now. If i'm not mistaken we have Ural Durusu from Turkey awhile ago .... congrats ..... much more interesting game than the korea one and if it's not for Sukur you would've won 7-0 ! cheers, salim sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Is the calibration procedure steps for the ZX9 and Dragon are the same? Will one service manual work for both cassette decks? Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 23 05:06:57 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:06:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 4 Stephen ... was ... Would you buy a STASIS ? References: <003701c2186a$77f155a0$e6299bca@smarzuki> <5.1.0.14.2.20020620104455.00a05d40@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621003232.00a35350@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020621170918.00a0eb50@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <008501c21a63$09c84700$273442cf@sank1> The only complaint I have with the original PA-7/5 is that they are rather over-protected. When your playing loud, it may click off for a second on some peaks, even though the peaks are not anywhere near enough to damage amp or speakers. This problem can be corrected with a bit of modification, though. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:10 AM Subject: [naktalk] 4 Stephen ... was ... Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > Stephen would you buy a PA-7 ? ... you suggested a PA-7II ... > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 23 05:21:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:21:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes References: Message-ID: <008d01c21a65$12492dc0$273442cf@sank1> The difference, fundamentally, between Nak decks & others is that Nak continued to adhere to the IEC1 eq standard, whereas others adopted the IEC2 standard. The IEC2 standard was created, I think, due to the fact that only Nak was able to make heads that could meet flat response, hifi standards on the IEC1 curve. The IEC2 curve has considerably more high frequency boost, so is an easier standard to meet for head manufacturing, but at the expense of considerably higher distortion in the treble. Nak considered the IEC1 a much more desirable curve for best fidelity, so kept it. In general, in reality, even the IEC2 curve is not adhered to by the majority of deck makers, since they'd actually have to spend money on good heads to meet it, and it's better for profit to use cheap heads & put more eq boost in the electronics. So, it can be demonstrated that Nak decks, even with IEC1 curve used, are in fact closer to IEC2 & NAB spec curves than most others. As for test tapes, I don't think anyone else makes a tape like the "track alignment" tape, which is recorded precisely OUTSIDE the tracks, so that you simply minimise the 1kHz signal to get precise head height alignment. This is far more accurate than the etched prism gauges I have seen from other makers(and from Nak in the very early days before the track alignment tape). And, although it has been many years since I have used anything but Nak test tapes, I can't say I would trust any other tapes for proper reference level & frequency response tapes. A full set of Nak test tapes, guessing off the top of my head, would run at least $400. The track alignment tape alone, the most expensive one, is over $100. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > Stephen, > > There seems to be a conflict of opinions concerning what alignment tapes to > use. I can assume from your prior correspondence that alignments tapes for > speed/W&F and Azimuth does not conflict with the transport design of a > Nakamichi deck. This would make sense since speed is a constant or should be > and so is azimuth on any machine. Can I assume then that the Nakamichi > alignment tapes are more precise for height, reference level, frequency > response, and Dolby level. Or is it because a Nakamichi transport is > different in regard to track width or reference flux level of the tape for > proper setup. I noticed that the EMTEC tapes for example are 250nWb/m for > most of their test tapes with the Dolby level tapes recorded at 200nWb/m. > Also how much would it cost to get all of the tapes needed to run all of the > test and alignments. > > > Thanks, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > If you want your deck calibrated properly, use real Nak test tapes. If you > want it calibrated for the substandard crap made by other companies, get the > Teac test tapes. And I have never had a tape made on a properly calibrated > Nak be incompatible with any *decent* other make tape deck. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:20 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > Marc, > > > > Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying > > decision. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Marc Stager > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. > > > > I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, > > two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. > > > > They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards > > for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum > > one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on > > any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording > > made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good > > as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. > > > > So which test test tapes do I use? > > > > These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html > > (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > =========================== > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > > >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test > tapes. > > >They won't be right. > > > > > >Stephen Sank > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 23 05:23:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:23:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? References: <1dce521d85f4.1d85f41dce52@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <009701c21a65$68c73520$273442cf@sank1> Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, but it has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've had no other opportunities come up to do another one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > Hi Stephen, > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > would be > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis amps. > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > would care > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > philosophy, as > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 > > is a > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 23 05:40:36 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:40:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration References: <20020622234235.86381.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002e01c21a68$8afc32a0$f1299bca@smarzuki> Hi Fahad, To calibrate your decks up to "nak's accuracy" you will need both service manuals and nak calibration tapes ... however, if the heads are wayyy off the correct path, you can use other test tapes to get back to 'almost correct' position. And once the deck is properly set up, it should last years of normal use. It will be a straightforward process with the ZX9 but more complicated for the dragon, due to its auto pb correction nature, and you can easily mess up dragon's reverse pb quality if you tweak the head's height. Are you using a macintosh? those adjustment pages were in tiff format, i'll re-send the pages in pdf format - it shows a complete summary of electrical adjustment. For hardcopy manuals please contact www.schaltungsdienst.de. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Fahad Abu Al-Saud To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:42 AM Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Dear Naktalk, I would like to calibrate my deck back to its original specification? I'm using Teac test tone tapes, do I have to use Nakamichi test tone tapes? Will that afect the whole calibration process? Could you plaese, show me the whole steps for calibration procedure? If the deck hasn't been tampered before by anyone, do I realy need to calibrate it? And, How often is calibration necessary? I own a ZX9 and Dragon, I need to obtain their service manuals. Is the calibration procedure steps for the ZX9 and Dragon are the same? Will one service manual work for both cassette decks? Regards, Fahad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 23 05:55:21 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:55:21 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting References: <002701c21a0f$711c31e0$89299bca@smarzuki> <3D14DCC6.E92A4B23@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003401c21a69$cc798740$f1299bca@smarzuki> Thank you very much Ron !! I really appreciate the info. Additional stupid question - 'adjust for 0VDC at the output' - should be on speaker's output, right ? Rotel and Bryston were very quick in supplying these bias voltage info - even for discontinued products ... Bryston even sent me a service manual for free. I'm quite surprised adcom did not bother to reply at all. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting In general, power amps will have two adjustments. One to balance the push-pull output (adjust for 0VDC at the output) and the other, to set quiescent current. Some amps use enough DC NFB to make the first unnecessary. To adjust quiescent current you don't need the full service manual, just the spec for your particular amp. If set too high it could eventually blow the output stage. If set too low, the amp won't sound it's best. The spec is usually given as so many millivolts across the output transistors emitter resistor. Needless to say, it depends on the value of this resistor and it's a good idea to measure it and verify that it's within specs. The Manufacturer's Service may be willing to give you this figure over the phone. Since you already have an amp that you're happy with, you could also measure it and adjust the other one accordingly. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi techfolks, > > Is it possible to set bias voltage of an amp without service manual? Is ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 06:17:43 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 06:17:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration In-Reply-To: <002e01c21a68$8afc32a0$f1299bca@smarzuki> References: <20020622234235.86381.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622061502.00a0b560@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdewire at ameritech.net Sun Jun 23 06:30:12 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:30:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes In-Reply-To: <008d01c21a65$12492dc0$273442cf@sank1> Message-ID: Stephen, Thank you, for the detailed explanation convincing me that only the Nakamichi tapes will do the job correctly. You are correct in that I did not find any other maker of cassette alignment tapes that had the track alignment tape you are talking about. Since that is practically the first adjustment to be made on the head alignments everything else would be incorrect without that tape. Thanks, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stephen Sank Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 10:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes The difference, fundamentally, between Nak decks & others is that Nak continued to adhere to the IEC1 eq standard, whereas others adopted the IEC2 standard. The IEC2 standard was created, I think, due to the fact that only Nak was able to make heads that could meet flat response, hifi standards on the IEC1 curve. The IEC2 curve has considerably more high frequency boost, so is an easier standard to meet for head manufacturing, but at the expense of considerably higher distortion in the treble. Nak considered the IEC1 a much more desirable curve for best fidelity, so kept it. In general, in reality, even the IEC2 curve is not adhered to by the majority of deck makers, since they'd actually have to spend money on good heads to meet it, and it's better for profit to use cheap heads & put more eq boost in the electronics. So, it can be demonstrated that Nak decks, even with IEC1 curve used, are in fact closer to IEC2 & NAB spec curves than most others. As for test tapes, I don't think anyone else makes a tape like the "track alignment" tape, which is recorded precisely OUTSIDE the tracks, so that you simply minimise the 1kHz signal to get precise head height alignment. This is far more accurate than the etched prism gauges I have seen from other makers(and from Nak in the very early days before the track alignment tape). And, although it has been many years since I have used anything but Nak test tapes, I can't say I would trust any other tapes for proper reference level & frequency response tapes. A full set of Nak test tapes, guessing off the top of my head, would run at least $400. The track alignment tape alone, the most expensive one, is over $100. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > Stephen, > > There seems to be a conflict of opinions concerning what alignment tapes to > use. I can assume from your prior correspondence that alignments tapes for > speed/W&F and Azimuth does not conflict with the transport design of a > Nakamichi deck. This would make sense since speed is a constant or should be > and so is azimuth on any machine. Can I assume then that the Nakamichi > alignment tapes are more precise for height, reference level, frequency > response, and Dolby level. Or is it because a Nakamichi transport is > different in regard to track width or reference flux level of the tape for > proper setup. I noticed that the EMTEC tapes for example are 250nWb/m for > most of their test tapes with the Dolby level tapes recorded at 200nWb/m. > Also how much would it cost to get all of the tapes needed to run all of the > test and alignments. > > > Thanks, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > If you want your deck calibrated properly, use real Nak test tapes. If you > want it calibrated for the substandard crap made by other companies, get the > Teac test tapes. And I have never had a tape made on a properly calibrated > Nak be incompatible with any *decent* other make tape deck. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:20 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > Marc, > > > > Thanks for the info, I will keep that in mind when making my buying > > decision. > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Marc Stager > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:50 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Cassette Alignment Tapes > > > > I DO NOT and WILL NEVER use Nakamichi alignment tapes. > > > > I have several cassette decks, including a Sony TC5DM portable, > > two Tascam 122's, a Nak MR-1 and a 582. > > > > They are set to industry standards, not proprietary Nak standards > > for levels and frequency response, and, primarily, for maximum > > one headroom and lowest possible distortion. A tape recorded on > > any these decks will sound fine on any other deck, and a recording > > made on metal tape, particularly Sony Metal-ES, will sound as good > > as the source ON ANY OF THESE DECKS Dolby on or Dolby off. > > > > So which test test tapes do I use? > > > > These: http://www.teac.co.jp/testmedia/cas.html > > (specifically the 111, 256U, 356U, 150) > > > > ________________ Marc Stager > > > > =========================== > > > > At 6/19/02, you wrote: > > >The only non-Nak test tapes you can rely on are the speed/w&f & azimuth > > >tapes. DON'T rely on non-Nak pb level, freq response or other test > tapes. > > >They won't be right. > > > > > >Stephen Sank > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 22 06:39:16 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 06:39:16 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Anybody from Calgary ? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622063638.00a08d20@box.tin.it> Dears, sorry to bother you , but .... anybody of you is from Calgary or its area ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Jun 23 06:52:43 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 21:52:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Anybody from Calgary ? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020622063638.00a08d20@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <000701c21a71$cfccb040$3db5b742@pii366custom> I presume you're referring to Calgary, Canada. If so, I believe I'm the only Canadian NakTalker, unless some are just sitting quietly in the sidelines. Calgary is about 1200 km or 700 miles from Vancouver, where I live. What's in Calgary? Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Sun Jun 23 07:17:29 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:17:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . Message-ID: This place is going down the tubes!!!! I disagree with you all....but go talk about it somewhere else...........this is not the place for this discussion, The one thing you can be sure about is that all your dearly held beliefs are crap!! Except about the orange capacitors being lousy Ken Ron cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . owner-naktalk @naks.com 06/22/02 08:08 AM Please respond to naktalk "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to > > understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical > > weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic > > strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > > spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings > > DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi > > Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't > > perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran > > etc. etc. > > Our State department has never been more than apologists for the > evil in our world. Colin Powell fits right in with their fuzzy-headed > liberal world view. One small question - are the Saudis sending > funds to the families of genocide bombers or not? > > > The God , Allah, is > > the same called Javeh by Jewish > > Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over 50 years. The > Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or Jehovah. That was > a literal transliteration of the acronym for the word Adonoi, which is > how the Jews refer to God. I am given to understand that the name 'Yehova' appears in the Bible many times with reference to God. Not an acronym to Adonai (literal translation: Our Masters), or to 'The Holy Blessed Be He' (another often encountered reference to God). The word 'Yehova' is so holy, Jews will will not pronounce it, but rather say 'Hashem' (meaning, 'The Name') when reading the Bible out loud. -- Ron > BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, not you. > > OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 23 16:23:25 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:23:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting References: <002701c21a0f$711c31e0$89299bca@smarzuki> <3D14DCC6.E92A4B23@rcn.com> <003401c21a69$cc798740$f1299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D15D9DD.A9222D4B@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thank you very much Ron !! I really appreciate the info. > > Additional stupid question - 'adjust for 0VDC at the output' - should be on > speaker's output, right ? Not stupid at all -- it was my oversight. To answer the question: in direct coupled amps (as probably all that have this adjustment are) 'output' means the speaker terminals. In a capacitively coupled amp, that would mean the amp side (not the speaker side) of the output cap (but, again, I see no point in having this adjustment in a capacitively coupled amp). > Rotel and Bryston were very quick in supplying these bias voltage info - > even for discontinued products ... Bryston even sent me a service manual for > free. I'm quite surprised adcom did not bother to reply at all. I asked for this information from Mondial. I have their Aragon 8008ST (2 channel) and 8008X3 (3 channel) amps. Apparently , they do not have a Service Manual, per se. What they sent was a copy of a hand drawn schematic plus half a page of cryptic instructions (but enough to do the job). They were very helpful, which I did appreciate. I find that manufacturers show their true nature by their behavior long after a sale. For example, I will never buy a Toshiba product again -- not because they make pure garbage nowadays, but because their warranty and so-called Service are a scam. Adcom used to be a very good company (my experience with them is, like, 20 years ago). I guess they've changed... -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting > > In general, power amps will have two adjustments. One to > balance the push-pull output (adjust for 0VDC at the > output) and the other, to set quiescent current. Some > amps use enough DC NFB to make the first unnecessary. > > To adjust quiescent current you don't need the full > service manual, just the spec for your particular amp. > If set too high it could eventually blow the output > stage. If set too low, the amp won't sound it's best. > > The spec is usually given as so many millivolts across > the output transistors emitter resistor. Needless to say, > it depends on the value of this resistor and it's a good > idea to measure it and verify that it's within specs. > The Manufacturer's Service may be willing to give you > this figure over the phone. Since you already have an > amp that you're happy with, you could also measure it > and adjust the other one accordingly. > > -- Ron > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > Hi techfolks, > > > > Is it possible to set bias voltage of an amp without service manual? Is > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Sun Jun 23 16:30:26 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:30:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158798@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> I trying to get a power supply for mine (220v). If you can get one, I will send it. I would like everything that I have left to be converted. Raul -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:24 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, but it has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've had no other opportunities come up to do another one. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > Hi Stephen, > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Sank > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > would be > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis amps. > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > would care > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > philosophy, as > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 > > is a > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 23 16:32:29 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:32:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . References: Message-ID: <3D15DBFD.E2E7F7A0@rcn.com> Lighten up, Ken. Since the subject line clearly shows orange caps are not involved, all you had to do was hit delete. This is a friendly circle of people that are united in a hobby, but do have diverging interests otherwise. There is nothing wrong is touching these OT subjects from time to time, even when they concern politics and/or the Bible (BTW, your post does not make clear which of these you consider crap -- may both?) In any case, have a nice day. -- Ron Ken Bentley wrote: > > This place is going down the tubes!!!! > I disagree with you all....but go talk about it somewhere > else...........this is not the place for this discussion, > The one thing you can be sure about is that all your dearly held beliefs > are crap!! > > Except about the orange capacitors being lousy > > Ken > > > Ron > m> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 06/22/02 > 08:08 AM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to > > > understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical > > > weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic > > > strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > > > spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings > > > DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi > > > Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't > > > perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran > > > etc. etc. > > > > Our State department has never been more than apologists for the > > evil in our world. Colin Powell fits right in with their fuzzy-headed > > liberal world view. One small question - are the Saudis sending > > funds to the families of genocide bombers or not? > > > > > The God , Allah, is > > > the same called Javeh by Jewish > > > > Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over 50 years. The > > Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or Jehovah. That was > > a literal transliteration of the acronym for the word Adonoi, which is > > how the Jews refer to God. > > I am given to understand that the name 'Yehova' appears > in the Bible many times with reference to God. Not an > acronym to Adonai (literal translation: Our Masters), > or to 'The Holy Blessed Be He' (another often encountered > reference to God). The word 'Yehova' is so holy, Jews > will will not pronounce it, but rather say 'Hashem' > (meaning, 'The Name') when reading the Bible out loud. > > -- Ron > > > BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, not you. > > > > OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Jun 23 17:16:07 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <3D15DBFD.E2E7F7A0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020623151607.88967.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Well said and spealing of diverging interests look at what women think of men according to their watches. http://www.timezone.com/wwwboard/BB/messages/308.html Javier --- Ron wrote: > > Lighten up, Ken. Since the subject line clearly > shows > orange caps are not involved, all you had to do was > hit delete. > > This is a friendly circle of people that are united > in > a hobby, but do have diverging interests otherwise. > There > is nothing wrong is touching these OT subjects from > time > to time, even when they concern politics and/or the > Bible (BTW, your post does not make clear which of > these > you consider crap -- may both?) In any case, have a > nice > day. > > -- Ron > > > Ken Bentley wrote: > > > > This place is going down the tubes!!!! > > I disagree with you all....but go talk about it > somewhere > > else...........this is not the place for this > discussion, > > The one thing you can be sure about is that all > your dearly held beliefs > > are crap!! > > > > Except about the orange capacitors being lousy > > > > Ken > > > > > > Ron > > naktalk at naks.com > > m> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: > Re: [naktalk] Integralism . > > owner-naktalk > > @naks.com > > > > > > 06/22/02 > > 08:08 AM > > Please > > respond to > > naktalk > > > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary > of State Agency to > > > > understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving > hundreds of strategical > > > > weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like > F-16 Falcon atomic > > > > strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why > Mr. Colin Powell has > > > > spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run > meetings and briefings > > > > DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... > if the Kingdom of Saudi > > > > Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. > Colin Powell didn't > > > > perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with > Sudan or Libya or Iran > > > > etc. etc. > > > > > > Our State department has never been more than > apologists for the > > > evil in our world. Colin Powell fits right in > with their fuzzy-headed > > > liberal world view. One small question - are > the Saudis sending > > > funds to the families of genocide bombers or > not? > > > > > > > The God , Allah, is > > > > the same called Javeh by Jewish > > > > > > Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over > 50 years. The > > > Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or > Jehovah. That was > > > a literal transliteration of the acronym for the > word Adonoi, which is > > > how the Jews refer to God. > > > > I am given to understand that the name 'Yehova' > appears > > in the Bible many times with reference to God. Not > an > > acronym to Adonai (literal translation: Our > Masters), > > or to 'The Holy Blessed Be He' (another often > encountered > > reference to God). The word 'Yehova' is so holy, > Jews > > will will not pronounce it, but rather say > 'Hashem' > > (meaning, 'The Name') when reading the Bible out > loud. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al > Faud, not you. > > > > > > OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Jun 23 17:48:35 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:48:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Response to Nasty Catholic Joke In-Reply-To: <3D14808C.14097.1570E8A@localhost> Message-ID: <20020623154835.83085.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Why thankyou Jim It's good to know I have a great sense of humour even if it is someone else's Javier --- "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > That reminds me of a true hollywood story > > > > W.C. fields sez to an actor "if you don't do ... > > -whatever- you're fired" > > > > The actor responds "I don't care I'll go work at > > Metro-Goldwin-Meyer. > > > > WC: "They won't hire you. They're all jews." > > > > The actor: "No they're not they're Catholics. > > > > WC "Worst kind of Jews" > > > > See Ya > > Javier > > Da Catlick > > > > > I love it!! > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 24 09:49:18 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:49:18 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Integralism . In-Reply-To: <3D15DBFD.E2E7F7A0@rcn.com> Message-ID: Here is a great forum for politics and throwing daggers at each other; nary a mention of Nakamichi equipment. This is a perfect place to discuss politics and otherwise jerk off.... http://www.ariannaonline.com/interact/phorum/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:32 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . Lighten up, Ken. Since the subject line clearly shows orange caps are not involved, all you had to do was hit delete. This is a friendly circle of people that are united in a hobby, but do have diverging interests otherwise. There is nothing wrong is touching these OT subjects from time to time, even when they concern politics and/or the Bible (BTW, your post does not make clear which of these you consider crap -- may both?) In any case, have a nice day. -- Ron Ken Bentley wrote: > > This place is going down the tubes!!!! > I disagree with you all....but go talk about it somewhere > else...........this is not the place for this discussion, > The one thing you can be sure about is that all your dearly held beliefs > are crap!! > > Except about the orange capacitors being lousy > > Ken > > > Ron > m> cc: > Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Integralism . > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 06/22/02 > 08:08 AM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > You should contact somebody at your Secretary of State Agency to > > > understand why Saudi Arabia is receiving hundreds of strategical > > > weapons like AWAKS , like F-18 Hornet , like F-16 Falcon atomic > > > strikers etc. etc. Also I don't understand why Mr. Colin Powell has > > > spent 3 full days in Saudi Arabia to run meetings and briefings > > > DESCRIBED AS WARM and FRIENDLY by himself ... if the Kingdom of Saudi > > > Arabia would actually support terrorism. Mr. Colin Powell didn't > > > perform the same nor with Iraq, neither with Sudan or Libya or Iran > > > etc. etc. > > > > Our State department has never been more than apologists for the > > evil in our world. Colin Powell fits right in with their fuzzy-headed > > liberal world view. One small question - are the Saudis sending > > funds to the families of genocide bombers or not? > > > > > The God , Allah, is > > > the same called Javeh by Jewish > > > > Before I became Catholic, I was Jewish for over 50 years. The > > Jews NEVER called God Javeh, or Yahweh, or Jehovah. That was > > a literal transliteration of the acronym for the word Adonoi, which is > > how the Jews refer to God. > > I am given to understand that the name 'Yehova' appears > in the Bible many times with reference to God. Not an > acronym to Adonai (literal translation: Our Masters), > or to 'The Holy Blessed Be He' (another often encountered > reference to God). The word 'Yehova' is so holy, Jews > will will not pronounce it, but rather say 'Hashem' > (meaning, 'The Name') when reading the Bible out loud. > > -- Ron > > > BTW, the 'pound sand' comment was aimed at Al Faud, not you. > > > > OK, let it end. I will not respond any more. > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 24 09:52:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:52:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? References: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158798@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <010e01c21b54$272a94a0$273442cf@sank1> The CA-7 uses two cool little potted torroidal transformers, which would not be easy to source if we can't get Nak originals. So, since I will no doubt forget to make the call for the next week or two(the only thing worse than a bad memory is a bad memory under stress), perhaps one of the other USA people here could call Patty & ask if the following two transformers are in stock: OB50083B OB50080B Just happened to have the service manual here at home. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:30 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > I trying to get a power supply for mine (220v). If you can > get one, I will send it. I would like everything that I have > left to be converted. > > Raul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:24 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, but it > has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've had no > other opportunities come up to do another one. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Stephen Sank > > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > > would be > > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis amps. > > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > > would care > > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > > philosophy, as > > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 > > > is a > > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Mon Jun 24 09:57:56 2002 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:57:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration Message-ID: <200206240757.g5O7vuX09587@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Hi Ezio, the Nak test tapes on German eBay you mentioned are on my buy-list. Hopefully I will set the highest bid. Regards Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ All inclusive! 100 MB Speicher, SMS 50% gunstiger, 32 MB Attachment-Gro?e, Preisvorteile und mehr unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021104 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sun Jun 23 10:25:46 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:25:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration In-Reply-To: <200206240757.g5O7vuX09587@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623102243.00a0a6f0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jun 24 10:33:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:33:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Calibration References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020623102243.00a0a6f0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <013201c21b59$db2883e0$273442cf@sank1> I have never seen that test tape before. From what I can derive from the pictures & the description, I believe this is a tape made for recording studio MR-1B users(the MR-1B is the IEC2 version of the IEC1 MR-1). Hence the NARTB(national association of radio & tv broadcasters) reference, which would not apply to tapes for the normal IEC1 Nak decks. Certainly a useful tape, but it is overpriced, is not correct for most Nak decks & doesn't have any track alignment facility. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Calibration Fine ! Many wishes ! A new one appeared ... here are the data : Nakamichi Alignment Tape ! VERY RARE !!!!!!!! Item # 1362070035 250$ BUY IT NOW Ciao Ezio At 09:57 AM 6/24/02 +0200, you wrote: Hi Ezio, the Nak test tapes on German eBay you mentioned are on my buy-list. Hopefully I will set the highest bid. Regards Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 M�nchen ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ____________________________________________________________________________ __ All inclusive! 100 MB Speicher, SMS 50% gunstiger, 32 MB Attachment-Gro?e, Preisvorteile und mehr unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021104 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kfendt at web.de Mon Jun 24 12:27:45 2002 From: kfendt at web.de (Klaus Fendt) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:27:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? Message-ID: <200206241027.g5OARjX09259@mailgate5.cinetic.de> Hi Guys, several of the following items appeared on German eBay http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362070035 Does anybody know anything about his kind of tape. In my opinion this one looks like an ordinary TDK-MA-R or MA-XG tape the guy has recorded some toes on it. Very strange: Point 6: 6. Multiple recorded from Nakamichi T-100 to 1000ZXL I think nobody would use a 1000 ZXL machine to record such a measuring tape because it's drive is not accurate enough and what does the guy mean with "mulitple recorded"? Did he switch of the erase head and recorded a second stage over the first? When you look at the picture you will discover a very strange type font for the Nakamichi name. in addition to that you'll see a typing error "IEC VI" instead of "IEC IV". Searching with Google for the part number didn't show any hit. I think of contacting eBay but I will do this only when I am 100% sure that other eBayers are getting ripped with these tape . . .. Please tell me what you think about that. Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ FreeMail in der Premiumversion! Mit mehr Speicher, mehr Leistung, mehr Erlebnis und mehr Pramie. Jetzt unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021105 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jun 24 12:37:25 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:37:25 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> It looks like a fake, that's going to be a very expensive MA-R! -----Original Message----- From: Klaus Fendt [mailto:kfendt at web.de] Sent: Monday, 24 June 2002 8:28 To: nak Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? Hi Guys, several of the following items appeared on German eBay http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362070035 Does anybody know anything about his kind of tape. In my opinion this one looks like an ordinary TDK-MA-R or MA-XG tape the guy has recorded some toes on it. Very strange: Point 6: 6. Multiple recorded from Nakamichi T-100 to 1000ZXL I think nobody would use a 1000 ZXL machine to record such a measuring tape because it's drive is not accurate enough and what does the guy mean with "mulitple recorded"? Did he switch of the erase head and recorded a second stage over the first? When you look at the picture you will discover a very strange type font for the Nakamichi name. in addition to that you'll see a typing error "IEC VI" instead of "IEC IV". Searching with Google for the part number didn't show any hit. I think of contacting eBay but I will do this only when I am 100% sure that other eBayers are getting ripped with these tape . . .. Please tell me what you think about that. Klaus -- Klaus Fendt Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 81737 München ==================== Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 ==================== MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de ______________________________________________________________________________ FreeMail in der Premiumversion! Mit mehr Speicher, mehr Leistung, mehr Erlebnis und mehr Pramie. Jetzt unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021105 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kroger1032 at rogers.com Mon Jun 24 14:13:46 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:13:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report References: <7723B723.5C404908.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <005b01c21b78$975bda80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report Hi. sorry for the long delay in replying. Anyone have a copy of this issue, I would love to read all of the reviews. Kevin Rogers > Arcam Delta 100 was reviewed in Hi-Fi Choice October 1992 issue together with other 19 machines. The reviewers claimed the deck was equipped with Denon sourced dual capstan mechanism and head block. Deck's price tag - £850 ($1800 in the USA). Hi-Fi Choice resume - "Highly Recommended" > > Nicholas. > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Mon Jun 24 15:38:07 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:38:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Arcam Delta 100 Dolby S Test report Message-ID: <6409F717.24AEBBEC.032C04E1@netscape.net> Hi, Kevin, I have a Xerox copy of these reviews. I can make another copy and send them to you by snail-mail, just send me your postal address offline. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jun 24 17:02:40 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:02:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3D173490.760BE81B@rcn.com> It does look like a fake... Not surprising. As far as ebay is concerned, I view every post as a rip-off, unless proven otherwise. Better over-cynical than sorry. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > It looks like a fake, that's going to be a very expensive MA-R! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Fendt [mailto:kfendt at web.de] > Sent: Monday, 24 June 2002 8:28 > To: nak > Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? > > Hi Guys, > > several of the following items appeared on German eBay > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362070035 > > Does anybody know anything about his kind of tape. > In my opinion this one looks like an ordinary TDK-MA-R or MA-XG tape the guy has recorded some toes on it. > > Very strange: Point 6: > 6. Multiple recorded from Nakamichi T-100 to 1000ZXL > > I think nobody would use a 1000 ZXL machine to record such a measuring tape because it's drive is not accurate enough and what does the guy mean with "mulitple recorded"? Did he switch of the erase head and recorded a second stage over the first? > > When you look at the picture you will discover a very strange type font for the Nakamichi name. > in addition to that you'll see a typing error "IEC VI" instead of "IEC IV". > Searching with Google for the part number didn't show any hit. > > I think of contacting eBay but I will do this only when I am 100% sure that other eBayers are getting ripped with these tape . . .. > > Please tell me what you think about that. > > Klaus > > -- > Klaus Fendt > Gerhart-Hauptmann-Ring 5 > 81737 München > ==================== > Tel. : +49 (0) 89 634983-53 > Mobil: +49 (0) 172 7848082 > Fax : +49 (0) 89 634983-52 > ==================== > MailTo:kfendt at web.de MailTo:kfendt at gmx.de > ______________________________________________________________________________ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jun 24 19:20:32 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:20:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3D173490.760BE81B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002701c21ba3$72ac2a20$cb299bca@smarzuki> Klaus .. eagle's eye on the nak font ! He tried to imitate new nak style, but it's not installed on his pc. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? It does look like a fake... Not surprising. As far as ebay is concerned, I view every post as a rip-off, unless proven otherwise. Better over-cynical than sorry. -- Ron Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > It looks like a fake, that's going to be a very expensive MA-R! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Fendt [mailto:kfendt at web.de] > Sent: Monday, 24 June 2002 8:28 > To: nak > Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? > > Hi Guys, > > several of the following items appeared on German eBay > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362070035 > > Does anybody know anything about his kind of tape. > In my opinion this one looks like an ordinary TDK-MA-R or MA-XG tape the guy has recorded some toes on it. > > Very strange: Point 6: > 6. Multiple recorded from Nakamichi T-100 to 1000ZXL ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Jun 24 20:09:37 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:09:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? In-Reply-To: <002701c21ba3$72ac2a20$cb299bca@smarzuki> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3D173490.760BE81B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020624200902.00a10a00@box.tin.it> I am amazed by your knowledge ! Ciao Ezio At 12:20 AM 6/25/02 +0700, you wrote: >Klaus .. eagle's eye on the nak font ! He tried to imitate new nak style, >but it's not installed on his pc. > >SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? > > > >It does look like a fake... Not surprising. As far as ebay >is concerned, I view every post as a rip-off, unless proven >otherwise. Better over-cynical than sorry. > >-- Ron > > >Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > It looks like a fake, that's going to be a very expensive MA-R! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Klaus Fendt [mailto:kfendt at web.de] > > Sent: Monday, 24 June 2002 8:28 > > To: nak > > Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > several of the following items appeared on German eBay > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362070035 > > > > Does anybody know anything about his kind of tape. > > In my opinion this one looks like an ordinary TDK-MA-R or MA-XG tape the >guy has recorded some toes on it. > > > > Very strange: Point 6: > > 6. Multiple recorded from Nakamichi T-100 to 1000ZXL > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 00:51:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:51:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3D14851B.8060907@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001f01c21bd1$bb4b8a40$3d05893e@a4s1s2> Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 00:53:03 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:53:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Message-ID: <002401c21bd1$e5b11de0$3d05893e@a4s1s2> Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 00:54:15 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:54:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Message-ID: <002901c21bd2$1059d500$3d05893e@a4s1s2> Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 25 03:17:35 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:17:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B63@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3D173490.760BE81B@rcn.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020624200902.00a10a00@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <002101c21be6$16d0b5c0$9b299bca@smarzuki> Hahaha ... Ron will faint ... i only re-post previous replies - as Gra' said, about long enough to wit the 'topic cycle'. It's about time for cable question, and after some flames we'll be back to demagnetizer =) although fifa referee bashing topic won't be around for another 4 years. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? I am amazed by your knowledge ! Ciao Ezio At 12:20 AM 6/25/02 +0700, you wrote: >Klaus .. eagle's eye on the nak font ! He tried to imitate new nak style, >but it's not installed on his pc. > >SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:02 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? > > > >It does look like a fake... Not surprising. As far as ebay >is concerned, I view every post as a rip-off, unless proven >otherwise. Better over-cynical than sorry. > >-- Ron > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 25 03:13:38 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 08:13:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape References: <002401c21bd1$e5b11de0$3d05893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001c01c21be6$030236e0$9b299bca@smarzuki> Don't forget our Afrophiles ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:53 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Tue Jun 25 04:29:59 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:29:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 help, pleease Message-ID: <3D179D67.14545.102880@localhost> I just sold a BX-1 on eBay. I installed a tire and ran several tapes before I put it up for sale. Tonight I got the following letter: Hello, I recieved this deck on 6-14 with no obvious shipping damage...however I have spent the last week trying to get it to play all the way through one side of any tape without stopping. It always starts back playing once I push play, but it shouldn't do that. I have another deck just like it that plays the same tapes just fine. Any suggestions ??? Now, it worked for me, so I havn't a clue as to what the problem could be. Can anybody give me some ideas to send this guy? TIA, Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jun 25 04:54:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:54:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 help, pleease References: <3D179D67.14545.102880@localhost> Message-ID: <019d01c21bf3$a19080c0$273442cf@sank1> Probably just needs a good, strong shot of silicone spray into the back slots of the reel drive motor, then a good long period of ff & rew excersize. Just tell the guy to go to walmart & buy a $3 can of silicone spray lub in the automotive section. I believe the one from Pennzoil is electronic safe & good for motors. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" To: Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 help, pleease > I just sold a BX-1 on eBay. I installed a tire and ran several tapes > before I put it up for sale. Tonight I got the following letter: > > Hello, > I recieved this deck on 6-14 with no obvious shipping > damage...however I have spent the last week trying to get it to play > all the way through one side of any tape without stopping. It always > starts back playing once I push play, but it shouldn't do that. I have > another deck just like it that plays the same tapes just fine. Any > suggestions ??? > > Now, it worked for me, so I havn't a clue as to what the problem > could be. Can anybody give me some ideas to send this guy? > > TIA, > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 11:08:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:08:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 help, pleease In-Reply-To: <3D179D67.14545.102880@localhost> Message-ID: <003801c21c27$e8630160$3d05893e@a4s1s2> Seriously, Jim, give the guy his money back in return for the deck and fix it yourself then sell it again - a BX-1 isn't enough to risk getting negative feedback. Do as I suggest and you'll at least get positive feedback. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ol' Jim, hisself Sent: 25 June 2002 03:30 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BX-1 help, pleease I just sold a BX-1 on eBay. I installed a tire and ran several tapes before I put it up for sale. Tonight I got the following letter: Hello, I recieved this deck on 6-14 with no obvious shipping damage...however I have spent the last week trying to get it to play all the way through one side of any tape without stopping. It always starts back playing once I push play, but it shouldn't do that. I have another deck just like it that plays the same tapes just fine. Any suggestions ??? Now, it worked for me, so I havn't a clue as to what the problem could be. Can anybody give me some ideas to send this guy? TIA, Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 11:08:42 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:08:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? In-Reply-To: <002101c21be6$16d0b5c0$9b299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003701c21c27$e72418c0$3d05893e@a4s1s2> Salim, Don't forget cleaning fluids! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 25 June 2002 02:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? Hahaha ... Ron will faint ... i only re-post previous replies - as Gra' said, about long enough to wit the 'topic cycle'. It's about time for cable question, and after some flames we'll be back to demagnetizer =) although fifa referee bashing topic won't be around for another 4 years. cheers, salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Ezio To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Faked Cal tapes on eBay? I am amazed by your knowledge ! Ciao Ezio --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jun 25 12:53:01 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:53:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B64@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Gra' I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web based list like what Bleus has done? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jun 25 14:47:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 07:47:24 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B64@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3D18665C.000001.01724@CopyTech> Hello Tom: Sorry to step in, this is the same but we decided, due to lack of space and logistics problems, that it was better if we divide the Marathon Tape in 2 legs: USA - Canada and the second leg starting in England and finishing in Australia then back to Puerto Rico. Hope this clear something out ! Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 24, 2002 22:01:54 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Hi Gra' I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web based list like what Bleus has done? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 15:09:17 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B64@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001501c21c49$831e8140$a482883e@a4s1s2> Tom Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Hi Gra' I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web based list like what Bleus has done? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 25 15:47:27 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:47:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. Message-ID: <001101c21c4e$f0ca1ec0$af299bca@smarzuki> as an asiaphile i feel sad to lose korea in the final .... but it feels good to see a fair referee in play! you really cant expect anything less from the land of nagras. =) viva fifa ! sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jun 25 15:57:11 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:57:11 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape References: <001501c21c49$831e8140$a482883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002901c21c50$34c3be00$af299bca@smarzuki> I was about to reply that this is a fake marathon tape ! =) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Tanya Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Tom Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Hi Gra' I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web based list like what Bleus has done? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jun 25 17:52:34 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:52:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. In-Reply-To: <001101c21c4e$f0ca1ec0$af299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: Germany had great luck. The referee was German speaking Swiss. Sorry Korea, all you could only rely on were yourselves today. Me too, I would have much preferred Turkey vs.. South Korea final. It would have much better illustrated the true spirit of this "fake" World Cup. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Tue, June 25, 2002 8:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. as an asiaphile i feel sad to lose korea in the final .... but it feels good to see a fair referee in play! you really cant expect anything less from the land of nagras. =) viva fifa ! sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 19:39:18 2002 From: tanya at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Tanya Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:39:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3D18665C.000001.01724@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002a01c21c6f$3b6641a0$a482883e@a4s1s2> + -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at 9556Naks5789.com [mailto:owner-naktalk@ .0.com]On Behalf Of El ~ From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 19:50:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:50:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <002a01c21c6f$3b6641a0$a482883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003601c21c70$dbe49220$a482883e@a4s1s2> Umm ... forgive that strange e-mail - one of my twins sent it while I wasn't looking ... he's only 3.5 years old. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 25 June 2002 06:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape + -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at 9556Naks5789.com [mailto:owner-naktalk@ .0.com]On Behalf Of El ~ From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jun 25 22:22:35 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:22:35 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape References: <003601c21c70$dbe49220$a482883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3D18D10B.000007.01360@CopyTech> He definetely writes better than his father, Ha,ha,ha, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 04:50:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Umm ... forgive that strange e-mail - one of my twins sent it while I wasn't looking ... he's only 3.5 years old. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 25 June 2002 06:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape + -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at 9556Naks5789.com [mailto:owner-naktalk@ .0.com]On Behalf Of El ~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jun 25 22:24:31 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 15:24:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. References: Message-ID: <3D18D17F.00000A.01360@CopyTech> To be honest guys, I was happy. The steal against Spain was so obvious that I doubt that those umpires would see another game in Fifa. But, at least Fifa make happy the koreans allowing them to get to the finals with a little help. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 02:54:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] korea ... snif. Germany had great luck. The referee was German speaking Swiss. Sorry Korea, all you could only rely on were yourselves today. Me too, I would have much preferred Turkey vs.. South Korea final. It would have much better illustrated the true spirit of this "fake" World Cup. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: Tue, June 25, 2002 8:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. as an asiaphile i feel sad to lose korea in the final .... but it feels good to see a fair referee in play! you really cant expect anything less from the land of nagras. =) viva fifa ! sm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jun 25 21:47:33 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:47:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. In-Reply-To: <3D18D17F.00000A.01360@CopyTech> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020625214629.00a42770@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 22:49:37 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:49:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3D18D10B.000007.01360@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001701c21c89$d1db4260$43a687d9@a4s1s2> -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 25 June 2002 09:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape He definetely writes better than his father, Ha,ha,ha, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 04:50:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Umm ... forgive that strange e-mail - one of my twins sent it while I wasn't looking ... he's only 3.5 years old. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 25 June 2002 06:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape + -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at 9556Naks5789.com [mailto:owner-naktalk@ .0.com]On Behalf Of El ~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00013.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jun 25 22:49:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:49:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape In-Reply-To: <3D18D10B.000007.01360@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001d01c21c89$d403a0a0$43a687d9@a4s1s2> I was waiting for that wise crack ... but not from you! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 25 June 2002 09:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape He definetely writes better than his father, Ha,ha,ha, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 04:50:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Umm ... forgive that strange e-mail - one of my twins sent it while I wasn't looking ... he's only 3.5 years old. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 25 June 2002 06:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape + -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at 9556Naks5789.com [mailto:owner-naktalk@ .0.com]On Behalf Of El ~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT00013.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Jun 25 22:54:59 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 13:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: The Koreas, World Cup Soccer and how audio is bringing the world together... In-Reply-To: <3D18C921.C15377E6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020625205459.35940.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> It's amazing to see whay can happen when you have a decent referee Javier --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > Hi guys, > > I just came across this news article. With all this > discussion of the > World Cup, I thought you might enjoy it: > > http://myfidelity300.members.fidelity.com/myFidelity/reutersNewsArticleDetail.jhtml;mfSessionId=OR5IJ3FXDO202CQAAFTCFFI?_DARGS=%2FmyFidelity%2FreutersGeneralNews.jhtml.6_A&_DAV=259%3Areport%3A%7B865317F8-AB04-48FD-9AC8-20EF5D955739%7D > > Cheers! > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jun 26 00:42:16 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:42:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B66@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks Carlos & Graham. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 10:47 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Hello Tom: Sorry to step in, this is the same but we decided, due to lack of space and logistics problems, that it was better if we divide the Marathon Tape in 2 legs: USA - Canada and the second leg starting in England and finishing in Australia then back to Puerto Rico. Hope this clear something out ! Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, June 24, 2002 22:01:54 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Hi Gra' I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web based list like what Bleus has done? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to be on the list. Graham ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ATT44810.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jun 26 01:08:10 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:08:10 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Message-ID: Graham speaks the truth, you Euro/Asian/Aussie fellows should make efforts to contact Graham immediately, then Graham will send the relevant info to me to incorporate into the M-Tape webpage. Notice that we've got Marathon Tape 1 and Marathon Tape 2 now listed. Scroll down to see Graham Nelson's name and info: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html As we are able, your names and info will be added to the webpage, which is serving as the most accurate listing of M-Tape activities. My understanding is that Carlos has mailed the M-Tape 2 cassette to Graham last week (Salim, its definately not a fake, the real thing has Carlos' name embossed on the cassette shell!). I received M-Tape 1 last week, and did a recording, then sent that on to John Tooley in Delaware, USA. Please note that M-Tape 1 list has been revised, names shuffled to make mailing and hand-delivery options possible for the Chicagoland individuals. I believe we now have room for perhaps 3 or 4 additional participants to M-Tape 1. Quick calculations show me that we can have up to 16 recordings, with a small buffer of silent tape between recordings. Of course, all recordings must then be less than 5 minutes each. Anyone from USA/Canada who wants to get into the M-Tape 1 roster should contact K.J. Bleus directly. Again, Euro/Asian/Aussie individuals wanting involvement with M-Tape 2 activities should contact Graham Nelson directly. See below.... To contact K.J. Bleus - blueswapper at angelfire.com To contact Graham Nelson - graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk So, things are indeed happening! Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:03:42 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2417 > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 >From: "Tanya Nelson" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > >Tom > >Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and >one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > Hi Gra' > > I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web >based list like what Bleus has done? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining >us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to >be on the list. > > Graham > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2417 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jun 26 01:15:53 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:15:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: Message-ID: <3D18F9A9.BA4590F4@earthlink.net> Hi Carlos, I don't have means to contribute to the creation of the marathon tapes but I would love to have copies of both Tape 1 and 2. Is this possible? I would, of course, pay any applicable tape, duplication and shipping charges. Thanks! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 26 02:35:59 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:35:59 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape References: <001d01c21c89$d403a0a0$43a687d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3D190C6F.000001.00180@CopyTech> Sorry, but I just couldn't resist HA!!!!!!! Perhaps he knows a secret code that we don't know ... OH MY GOD ! Gra's twin has just made a letal virus Ahhhhhh! Sorry ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 07:55:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape I was waiting for that wise crack . but not from you! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: 25 June 2002 09:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape He definetely writes better than his father, Ha,ha,ha, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 04:50:12 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape Umm ... forgive that strange e-mail - one of my twins sent it while I wasn't looking ... he's only 3.5 years old. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Tanya Nelson Sent: 25 June 2002 06:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape + -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at 9556Naks5789.com [mailto:owner-naktalk@ .0.com]On Behalf Of El ~ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 26 01:42:26 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:42:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: Message-ID: <010501c21ca2$3f829f80$1e756acf@johnrotten> Marathon Tape 1 just arrived in Delaware in great shape. I'm looking thru my 12'' rap vinyl singles! Just kidding folks, just kidding. I'll pick something real soon to stream to my ReVox B215, sorry it's not a Nak., Stephen has my ZXL. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 > Graham speaks the truth, you Euro/Asian/Aussie fellows should make efforts to contact Graham immediately, then Graham will send the relevant info to me to incorporate into the M-Tape webpage. Notice that we've got Marathon Tape 1 and Marathon Tape 2 now listed. Scroll down to see Graham Nelson's name and info: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > As we are able, your names and info will be added to the webpage, which is serving as the most accurate listing of M-Tape activities. > > My understanding is that Carlos has mailed the M-Tape 2 cassette to Graham last week (Salim, its definately not a fake, the real thing has Carlos' name embossed on the cassette shell!). I received M-Tape 1 last week, and did a recording, then sent that on to John Tooley in Delaware, USA. Please note that M-Tape 1 list has been revised, names shuffled to make mailing and hand-delivery options possible for the Chicagoland individuals. I believe we now have room for perhaps 3 or 4 additional participants to M-Tape 1. Quick calculations show me that we can have up to 16 recordings, with a small buffer of silent tape between recordings. Of course, all recordings must then be less than 5 minutes each. Anyone from USA/Canada who wants to get into the M-Tape 1 roster should contact K.J. Bleus directly. Again, Euro/Asian/Aussie individuals wanting involvement with M-Tape 2 activities should contact Graham Nelson directly. See below.... > > > To contact K.J. Bleus - blueswapper at angelfire.com > > To contact Graham Nelson - graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > > > So, things are indeed happening! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:03:42 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2417 > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 > >From: "Tanya Nelson" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > >Tom > > > >Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and > >one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web > >based list like what Bleus has done? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining > >us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to > >be on the list. > > > > Graham > > > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2417 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 26 02:49:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:49:40 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: <3D18F9A9.BA4590F4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D190FA4.000009.00180@CopyTech> Don't worry, you'll be surprised ... Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:21:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Hi Carlos, I don't have means to contribute to the creation of the marathon tapes but I would love to have copies of both Tape 1 and 2. Is this possible? I would, of course, pay any applicable tape, duplication and shipping charges. Thanks! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 26 03:00:05 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:00:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: Message-ID: <3D191215.000013.00180@CopyTech> Hello Blues and everyone: Just a quick change in the Marathon Tape second leg. Gra' and me just decided it would be faster and much better if we began the leg in England instead of keep waiting for me for a tape going from PR to UK, so, our dear europe's secretary, Mr. Graham Nelson donated a TDK CRO2 tape for the second leg. All those in that part of the world should contact Graham direct for the kick off of the second leg ! Best, Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:08:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Graham speaks the truth, you Euro/Asian/Aussie fellows should make efforts to contact Graham immediately, then Graham will send the relevant info to me to incorporate into the M-Tape webpage. Notice that we've got Marathon Tape 1 and Marathon Tape 2 now listed. Scroll down to see Graham Nelson's name and info: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html As we are able, your names and info will be added to the webpage, which is serving as the most accurate listing of M-Tape activities. My understanding is that Carlos has mailed the M-Tape 2 cassette to Graham last week (Salim, its definately not a fake, the real thing has Carlos' name embossed on the cassette shell!). I received M-Tape 1 last week, and did a recording, then sent that on to John Tooley in Delaware, USA. Please note that M-Tape 1 list has been revised, names shuffled to make mailing and hand-delivery options possible for the Chicagoland individuals. I believe we now have room for perhaps 3 or 4 additional participants to M-Tape 1. Quick calculations show me that we can have up to 16 recordings, with a small buffer of silent tape between recordings. Of course, all recordings must then be less than 5 minutes each. Anyone from USA/Canada who wants to get into the M-Tape 1 roster should contact K.J. Bleus directly. Again, Euro/Asian/Aussie individuals wanting involvement with M-Tape 2 activities should contact Graham Nelson directly. See below.... To contact K.J. Bleus - blueswapper at angelfire.com To contact Graham Nelson - graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk So, things are indeed happening! Regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:03:42 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2417 > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 >From: "Tanya Nelson" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > >Tom > >Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and >one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. > >Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Thomas Siomopoulos > Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > Hi Gra' > > I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web >based list like what Bleus has done? > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining >us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to >be on the list. > > Graham > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2417 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 26 03:02:28 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:02:28 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: <010501c21ca2$3f829f80$1e756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3D1912A4.000016.00180@CopyTech> Don't worry John. It is the Marathon Tape not the "Nakamichi" Marathon Tape .. Anyway, as soon as you has selected the material to be record, contact Bleus inmmediately so he can fill the info in his page ! Wow ! It's really happening guys ! WOUTER, WHERE ARE YOU ? Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:48:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Marathon Tape 1 just arrived in Delaware in great shape. I'm looking thru my 12'' rap vinyl singles! Just kidding folks, just kidding. I'll pick something real soon to stream to my ReVox B215, sorry it's not a Nak., Stephen has my ZXL. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 > Graham speaks the truth, you Euro/Asian/Aussie fellows should make efforts to contact Graham immediately, then Graham will send the relevant info to me to incorporate into the M-Tape webpage. Notice that we've got Marathon Tape 1 and Marathon Tape 2 now listed. Scroll down to see Graham Nelson's name and info: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > As we are able, your names and info will be added to the webpage, which is serving as the most accurate listing of M-Tape activities. > > My understanding is that Carlos has mailed the M-Tape 2 cassette to Graham last week (Salim, its definately not a fake, the real thing has Carlos' name embossed on the cassette shell!). I received M-Tape 1 last week, and did a recording, then sent that on to John Tooley in Delaware, USA. Please note that M-Tape 1 list has been revised, names shuffled to make mailing and hand-delivery options possible for the Chicagoland individuals. I believe we now have room for perhaps 3 or 4 additional participants to M-Tape 1. Quick calculations show me that we can have up to 16 recordings, with a small buffer of silent tape between recordings. Of course, all recordings must then be less than 5 minutes each. Anyone from USA/Canada who wants to get into the M-Tape 1 roster should contact K.J. Bleus directly. Again, Euro/Asian/Aussie individuals wanting involvement with M-Tape 2 activities should contact Graham Nelson directly. See below.... > > > To contact K.J. Bleus - blueswapper at angelfire.com > > To contact Graham Nelson - graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > > > So, things are indeed happening! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:03:42 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2417 > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 > >From: "Tanya Nelson" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > >Tom > > > >Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and > >one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web > >based list like what Bleus has done? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining > >us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to > >be on the list. > > > > Graham > > > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2417 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 26 02:28:06 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 20:28:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: <3D18F9A9.BA4590F4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <018501c21ca8$581faeb0$1e756acf@johnrotten> Jim, Expect to pay Nakamichi alignment cassette tape prices for any dubs! Remember you are talking Pro. audio stuff here, nothing but the very finest cassette machines, finely tuned, precision aligned, lubed and sourced from all around the world. This could be a better seller than World Cup Soccer tickets if it wasn't for copyright lawyers. ;-) I'm sure when these jet setting cassettes finally return to Puerto Rico that Carlos will run off as many cassettes as we all need! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 > Hi Carlos, > > I don't have means to contribute to the creation of the marathon tapes but I would love to have copies of both Tape 1 and 2. Is this possible? I would, of course, pay any applicable tape, duplication and shipping charges. > > Thanks! > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 26 03:03:13 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:03:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: <010501c21ca2$3f829f80$1e756acf@johnrotten> <3D1912A4.000016.00180@CopyTech> Message-ID: <01bf01c21cad$3fa12300$1e756acf@johnrotten> Should we not be stating our music source to add to the web sites interest? John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Don't worry John. It is the Marathon Tape not the "Nakamichi" Marathon Tape ... Anyway, as soon as you has selected the material to be record, contact Bleus inmmediately so he can fill the info in his page ! Wow ! It's really happening guys ! WOUTER, WHERE ARE YOU ? Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:48:43 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Marathon Tape 1 just arrived in Delaware in great shape. I'm looking thru my 12'' rap vinyl singles! Just kidding folks, just kidding. I'll pick something real soon to stream to my ReVox B215, sorry it's not a Nak., Stephen has my ZXL. Cheers, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 > Graham speaks the truth, you Euro/Asian/Aussie fellows should make efforts to contact Graham immediately, then Graham will send the relevant info to me to incorporate into the M-Tape webpage. Notice that we've got Marathon Tape 1 and Marathon Tape 2 now listed. Scroll down to see Graham Nelson's name and info: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > As we are able, your names and info will be added to the webpage, which is serving as the most accurate listing of M-Tape activities. > > My understanding is that Carlos has mailed the M-Tape 2 cassette to Graham last week (Salim, its definately not a fake, the real thing has Carlos' name embossed on the cassette shell!). I received M-Tape 1 last week, and did a recording, then sent that on to John Tooley in Delaware, USA. Please note that M-Tape 1 list has been revised, names shuffled to make mailing and hand-delivery options possible for the Chicagoland individuals. I believe we now have room for perhaps 3 or 4 additional participants to M-Tape 1. Quick calculations show me that we can have up to 16 recordings, with a small buffer of silent tape between recordings. Of course, all recordings must then be less than 5 minutes each. Anyone from USA/Canada who wants to get into the M-Tape 1 roster should contact K.J. Bleus directly. Again, Euro/Asian/Aussie individuals wanting involvement with M-Tape 2 activities should contact Graham Nelson directly. See below.... > > > To contact K.J. Bleus - blueswapper at angelfire.com > > To contact Graham Nelson - graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > > > So, things are indeed happening! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:03:42 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2417 > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 > >From: "Tanya Nelson" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > >Tom > > > >Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and > >one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web > >based list like what Bleus has done? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining > >us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to > >be on the list. > > > > Graham > > > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2417 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Jun 26 03:08:59 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] korea ... snif. In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020625214629.00a42770@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <20020626010859.65127.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> That's a good point but this happens every 4 years and it's intolerable. I still remember the expulsion of Bolivia's Echeverry some years back and it steams me but there's nothing anyone can do. The Americans love to criticise the sport and most of their gripes are trivial but they rightly point to the compleat lack of standards in refereeing in world cup play. Let's imagine what baseball would be like if every world series had at least 1 game thrown by a corrupt or inept umpire! See Ya Javier Mets fan formerly from that earthly paradise known as Rego Park BTW: Did you guys know that a large number of major league umpires are lawyers! To be honest guys, I was happy. The steal against Spain was so obvious that I doubt that those umpires would see another game in Fifa.
 
But, at least Fifa make happy the koreans allowing them to get to the finals with a little help.
__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jun 26 04:13:13 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:13:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: Message-ID: <3D192333.D58C037D@snet.net> Great page... but you'd better add my name at the end of the tape 1 list... Ed Noyes, Saybrook, CT. I've got my old 700 ready for the task and look forward to making a small contribution to this great tape. Regards, Ed The BlueSwapper wrote: > Graham speaks the truth, you Euro/Asian/Aussie fellows should make efforts to contact Graham immediately, then Graham will send the relevant info to me to incorporate into the M-Tape webpage. Notice that we've got Marathon Tape 1 and Marathon Tape 2 now listed. Scroll down to see Graham Nelson's name and info: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > As we are able, your names and info will be added to the webpage, which is serving as the most accurate listing of M-Tape activities. > > My understanding is that Carlos has mailed the M-Tape 2 cassette to Graham last week (Salim, its definately not a fake, the real thing has Carlos' name embossed on the cassette shell!). I received M-Tape 1 last week, and did a recording, then sent that on to John Tooley in Delaware, USA. Please note that M-Tape 1 list has been revised, names shuffled to make mailing and hand-delivery options possible for the Chicagoland individuals. I believe we now have room for perhaps 3 or 4 additional participants to M-Tape 1. Quick calculations show me that we can have up to 16 recordings, with a small buffer of silent tape between recordings. Of course, all recordings must then be less than 5 minutes each. Anyone from USA/Canada who wants to get into the M-Tape 1 roster should contact K.J. Bleus directly. Again, Euro/Asian/Aussie individuals wanting involvement with M-Tape 2 activities should contact Graham Nelson directly. See below.... > > To contact K.J. Bleus - blueswapper at angelfire.com > > To contact Graham Nelson - graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk > > So, things are indeed happening! > > Regards, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:03:42 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2417 > > > > > > >Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 14:09:17 +0100 > >From: "Tanya Nelson" > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > >Tom > > > >Yup - same thing only there are two tapes: one for the USA and Americas and > >one for Europe and Asia, Australasia. > > > >Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >Thomas Siomopoulos > > Sent: 25 June 2002 11:53 AM > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > I want to be on the list. However I'm a little confused. Is this a web > >based list like what Bleus has done? > > > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 June 2002 8:53 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape > > > > > > Okay! Looks like you Asia/Australasia guys (and gals?) will be joining > >us Europhiles to complete the 2nd tape ... e-mail me direct if you wish to > >be on the list. > > > > Graham > > > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2417 > >****************************** > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jun 26 06:18:26 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:18:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: <3D18F9A9.BA4590F4@earthlink.net> <018501c21ca8$581faeb0$1e756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <3D194091.E403E9A7@earthlink.net> Well, I was hoping but didn't want to assume. Carlos, do you have a website that explains the your cassette duplicating process? Since this will probably be a small run, will the dubs be recorded in real time from the "master"? I'd be willing to pay the higher cost of a higher quality dub since I'm sure that the recordings themselves will be worth it. Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim, > > Expect to pay Nakamichi alignment cassette tape prices for any dubs! > Remember you are talking Pro. audio stuff here, nothing but the very finest > cassette machines, finely tuned, precision aligned, lubed and sourced from > all around the world. This could be a better seller than World Cup Soccer > tickets if it wasn't for copyright lawyers. ;-) I'm sure when these jet > setting cassettes finally return to Puerto Rico that Carlos will run off as > many cassettes as we all need! > > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jun 26 08:45:05 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:45:05 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 References: <3D194091.E403E9A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D1962F1.000001.01856@CopyTech> Jim: At this moment I'm not sure what we gonna do. Please, stay tuned for further news. Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 15:38:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 Well, I was hoping but didn't want to assume. Carlos, do you have a website that explains the your cassette duplicating process? Since this will probably be a small run, will the dubs be recorded in real time from the "master"? I'd be willing to pay the higher cost of a higher quality dub since I'm sure that the recordings themselves will be worth it. Jim Volpatti "John M. Tooley" wrote: > Jim, > > Expect to pay Nakamichi alignment cassette tape prices for any dubs! > Remember you are talking Pro. audio stuff here, nothing but the very finest > cassette machines, finely tuned, precision aligned, lubed and sourced from > all around the world. This could be a better seller than World Cup Soccer > tickets if it wasn't for copyright lawyers. ;-) I'm sure when these jet > setting cassettes finally return to Puerto Rico that Carlos will run off as > many cassettes as we all need! > > John ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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All comments from the Naksperts here appreciated. BW ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Jun 26 15:29:27 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Order restored In-Reply-To: <20020626123110.28624.qmail@web11602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020626132927.81451.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> All is as it should be. Order has been restored to the universe. Brasil V Germany on Sunday! Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jun 26 16:25:17 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:25:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay References: <3D19A9DD.88D9219A@warwick.net> Message-ID: <000b01c21d1d$4be8cbc0$e8299bca@smarzuki> Hi Bill, It's quite normal for a user to lose one of the zillions, ok, tens of dragon's buttons (same for ZXs) ... but losing all except one! sounds like the unit has been gone through an indo technician =) (i would worry more about what other things he left behind on the insides), hopefully its just another case of innovative kid. The last remaining knob is, of course, interchangeable with the lost ones. Getting replacements maybe a bit difficult thesedays. Exterior looks nice though, with clear writing / markings. And if the price is right, that poor knob-less thing (sorry) is still a dragon ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wheatley To: Naktalk Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay Hi All, There is a Nak Dragon that came up on eBay as of July 25: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362639862 In the description the seller says: "Missing all but one of the knobs for calibration, but the one knob can move to anyplace for setting." Is this true? Can additional 'calibration knobs' be had, or is it the potential bidder on this item that may be 'had'? All comments from the Naksperts here appreciated. BW ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Order has been restored to the universe. Brasil V Germany on Sunday! Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 26 19:22:14 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:22:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Order restored In-Reply-To: <20020626132927.81451.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001301c21d36$034fdc00$600e893e@a4s1s2> Yeah .... boring! And to think, England trounced Germany not too long ago .. they (nor England) deserve to be in the final! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: 26 June 2002 02:29 PM To: HHSCOTT at hhscott.com; russiancamera at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com; leica-users at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: [naktalk] Order restored All is as it should be. Order has been restored to the universe. Brasil V Germany on Sunday! Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 26 19:22:12 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:22:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <3D19A9DD.88D9219A@warwick.net> Message-ID: <001201c21d36$023bace0$600e893e@a4s1s2> If the knobs on the Dragon are like those on the ZX9 they pull off. Thus, assuming an identical fitting, it may be possible to pull one off from one pin and set it onto another, as required, I suppose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 26 June 2002 12:48 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay Hi All, There is a Nak Dragon that came up on eBay as of July 25: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362639862 In the description the seller says: "Missing all but one of the knobs for calibration, but the one knob can move to anyplace for setting." Is this true? Can additional 'calibration knobs' be had, or is it the potential bidder on this item that may be 'had'? All comments from the Naksperts here appreciated. BW --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Wed Jun 26 20:15:45 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 13:15:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay In-Reply-To: <001201c21d36$023bace0$600e893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: I would probably be more concerned about the claim "This deck makes cd recording better than the cd itself" ... Look at the seller's profile. Over 2,500 sales. All 395 made within last 6 months positive. 2,499 positive. In the great scheme of things, the missing knob should be the least of anyone's concerns. Either do not record on Normal Bias tapes, or give K.J. or Gra' a picture of Franklin, and they will take it off their ZX machines. Or, adjust the missing know functions with a pair o pliers ... My bet with this unit, it will go for over $600 (and if you look at my betting score, I predicted way back when, Brazil, Germany, Senegal, Korea, i.e., got 3 out of 4 right, in a pretty good sequence ... (underestimated Turkey.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, June 26, 2002 12:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay If the knobs on the Dragon are like those on the ZX9 they pull off. Thus, assuming an identical fitting, it may be possible to pull one off from one pin and set it onto another, as required, I suppose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 26 June 2002 12:48 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay Hi All, There is a Nak Dragon that came up on eBay as of July 25: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362639862 In the description the seller says: "Missing all but one of the knobs for calibration, but the one knob can move to anyplace for setting." Is this true? Can additional 'calibration knobs' be had, or is it the potential bidder on this item that may be 'had'? All comments from the Naksperts here appreciated. BW --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 26 20:55:57 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 19:55:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) In-Reply-To: <3D191215.000013.00180@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000001c21d43$1b0ac460$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Guys I am having to play things a little differently from the Tape 1 group because I am unable to print anything from my PC; therefore, those of you taking part in the Tape 2 part of this marathon should use the attached electronic document in MS Word to update Kenny (Mr Bleus) with what you have put on the cassette. So, the instructions are: 1 Receive tape 2 Record you music onto it according to instructions from Carlos previously circulated 3 Post on by airmail minimum (or First Class post within the UK) to the next person on the list - the address is shown. 4 Last person to receive the tape should post on to Carlos. Note on the document the running order. I (think!) HAVE INCLUDED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME TO SAY THEY WISH TO TAKE PART. IF YOUR NAME ISN'T ON THE LIST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE PART, PLEASE CONTACT ME A.S.A.P. I WILL THEN RELEASE A FRESH COPY OF THE LIST. Cheers Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tape Marathon.doc Type: application/msword Size: 23040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wjw at warwick.net Wed Jun 26 21:25:23 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:25:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Poor old knobless Dragon Message-ID: <3D1A1523.8ED410FF@warwick.net> Thanks to all for replies concerning the 'poor old knobless' (lol) Dragon on eBay. BW ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jun 26 21:18:49 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:18:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay References: <3D19A9DD.88D9219A@warwick.net> Message-ID: <004f01c21d46$4dccaa50$58756acf@johnnyrotten> She's a beauty! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay > Hi All, > There is a Nak Dragon that came up on eBay as of July 25: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362639862 > > In the description the seller says: "Missing all but one of the > knobs for calibration, but the one knob can move to anyplace for > setting." > > Is this true? Can additional 'calibration knobs' be had, or is it > the potential bidder on this item that may be 'had'? > All comments from the Naksperts here appreciated. > BW > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 26 21:50:48 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:50:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) In-Reply-To: <000001c21d43$1b0ac460$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <001901c21d4a$c4848600$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Eddy's had a problem with the attachment because he's using Outlook Express on a Mac. Anyone else with this problem? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 June 2002 07:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos; Kenny Parsons Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Importance: High Guys I am having to play things a little differently from the Tape 1 group because I am unable to print anything from my PC; therefore, those of you taking part in the Tape 2 part of this marathon should use the attached electronic document in MS Word to update Kenny (Mr Bleus) with what you have put on the cassette. So, the instructions are: 1 Receive tape 2 Record you music onto it according to instructions from Carlos previously circulated 3 Post on by airmail minimum (or First Class post within the UK) to the next person on the list - the address is shown. 4 Last person to receive the tape should post on to Carlos. Note on the document the running order. I (think!) HAVE INCLUDED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME TO SAY THEY WISH TO TAKE PART. IF YOUR NAME ISN'T ON THE LIST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE PART, PLEASE CONTACT ME A.S.A.P. I WILL THEN RELEASE A FRESH COPY OF THE LIST. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jun 26 21:52:54 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:52:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Poor old knobless Dragon In-Reply-To: <3D1A1523.8ED410FF@warwick.net> Message-ID: <001e01c21d4b$0ffa2680$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Hey guys - do you think this is why Dragons became extinct??? Gra' - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Jun 26 23:31:33 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:31:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape References: <003601c21c70$dbe49220$a482883e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3D1A32B5.5030809@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Jun 27 00:24:08 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:24:08 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an a ttachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B67@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Gra' It seems that e-mails with attachments sent via Outlook 97,98,2000,xp, will not be received correctly by people using outlook express. I too have this problem when sending attachments (I'm using Outlook 2000). I'll give it a go here using something else. Eddy you should be able to receive something from me soon. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2002 5:51 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos; Kenny Parsons Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Eddy's had a problem with the attachment because he's using Outlook Express on a Mac. Anyone else with this problem? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 June 2002 07:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos; Kenny Parsons Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Importance: High Guys I am having to play things a little differently from the Tape 1 group because I am unable to print anything from my PC; therefore, those of you taking part in the Tape 2 part of this marathon should use the attached electronic document in MS Word to update Kenny (Mr Bleus) with what you have put on the cassette. So, the instructions are: 1 Receive tape 2 Record you music onto it according to instructions from Carlos previously circulated 3 Post on by airmail minimum (or First Class post within the UK) to the next person on the list - the address is shown. 4 Last person to receive the tape should post on to Carlos. Note on the document the running order. I (think!) HAVE INCLUDED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME TO SAY THEY WISH TO TAKE PART. IF YOUR NAME ISN'T ON THE LIST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE PART, PLEASE CONTACT ME A.S.A.P. I WILL THEN RELEASE A FRESH COPY OF THE LIST. Cheers Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 02:11:59 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:11:59 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) References: <001901c21d4a$c4848600$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004701c21d6f$41e383c0$bf299bca@smarzuki> Nope ! ( ... most of my problems are money related). Wondering if Marc or Neal is on vacation? They wanted to be included on the list. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos ; Kenny Parsons Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:50 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Eddy's had a problem with the attachment because he's using Outlook Express on a Mac. Anyone else with this problem? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 June 2002 07:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos; Kenny Parsons Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Importance: High Guys I am having to play things a little differently from the Tape 1 group because I am unable to print anything from my PC; therefore, those of you taking part in the Tape 2 part of this marathon should use the attached electronic document in MS Word to update Kenny (Mr Bleus) with what you have put on the cassette. So, the instructions are: 1 Receive tape 2 Record you music onto it according to instructions from Carlos previously circulated 3 Post on by airmail minimum (or First Class post within the UK) to the next person on the list - the address is shown. 4 Last person to receive the tape should post on to Carlos. Note on the document the running order. I (think!) HAVE INCLUDED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME TO SAY THEY WISH TO TAKE PART. IF YOUR NAME ISN'T ON THE LIST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE PART, PLEASE CONTACT ME A.S.A.P. I WILL THEN RELEASE A FRESH COPY OF THE LIST. Cheers Graham -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 02:14:22 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:14:22 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Poor old knobless Dragon References: <001e01c21d4b$0ffa2680$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <004c01c21d6f$972bca40$bf299bca@smarzuki> In a big way - losing your knobs one by one ... until one day ... somebody pulled your last 'button'. ouch ! SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:52 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Poor old knobless Dragon Hey guys - do you think this is why Dragons became extinct??? Gra' - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Thu Jun 27 06:23:11 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:23:11 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? Message-ID: Hi Stephen, Wondering if you can explain the "feedback reduction modification" with CA-7A pre-amp? Thanks Vinod >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:52:54 -0600 > >The CA-7 uses two cool little potted torroidal transformers, which would >not >be easy to source if we can't get Nak originals. So, since I will no doubt >forget to make the call for the next week or two(the only thing worse than >a >bad memory is a bad memory under stress), perhaps one of the other USA >people here could call Patty & ask if the following two transformers are in >stock: >OB50083B >OB50080B >Just happened to have the service manual here at home. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:30 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > I trying to get a power supply for mine (220v). If you can > > get one, I will send it. I would like everything that I have > > left to be converted. > > > > Raul > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:24 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, but >it > > has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've had >no > > other opportunities come up to do another one. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > > > would be > > > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis >amps. > > > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > > > would care > > > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > > > philosophy, as > > > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 > > > > is a > > > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 27 10:18:00 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:18:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) In-Reply-To: <004701c21d6f$41e383c0$bf299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <004101c21db3$26c39aa0$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Anyone got an address for these guys? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 27 June 2002 01:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Nope ! ( ... most of my problems are money related). Wondering if Marc or Neal is on vacation? They wanted to be included on the list. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos ; Kenny Parsons Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:50 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Eddy's had a problem with the attachment because he's using Outlook Express on a Mac. Anyone else with this problem? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 26 June 2002 07:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Carlos; Kenny Parsons Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With an attachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Importance: High Guys I am having to play things a little differently from the Tape 1 group because I am unable to print anything from my PC; therefore, those of you taking part in the Tape 2 part of this marathon should use the attached electronic document in MS Word to update Kenny (Mr Bleus) with what you have put on the cassette. So, the instructions are: 1 Receive tape 2 Record you music onto it according to instructions from Carlos previously circulated 3 Post on by airmail minimum (or First Class post within the UK) to the next person on the list - the address is shown. 4 Last person to receive the tape should post on to Carlos. Note on the document the running order. I (think!) HAVE INCLUDED ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE CONTACTED ME TO SAY THEY WISH TO TAKE PART. IF YOUR NAME ISN'T ON THE LIST AND YOU WANT TO TAKE PART, PLEASE CONTACT ME A.S.A.P. I WILL THEN RELEASE A FRESH COPY OF THE LIST. Cheers Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 11:26:55 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:26:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** Message-ID: <3152c3312772.3127723152c3@indosat.net.id> Have a nice vacation Gra'! I'll be out of town myself from 3-10. I don't think i have Marc's address but will try to find in the old emails. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** > Guys > > I have to go outta town for a couple or so of days. I think we've > enough to > get the tape rolling even if we add any late comers along the way. > I'll > despatch it upon my return. > > Gra' > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Thu Jun 27 11:40:37 2002 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:40:37 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem In-Reply-To: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> hello, everybody, i have a problem with a DR-3 deck. after being powered up, the capstan motor starts to spin. the deck does not react in any way to any command (play/stop/search etc). what this could be? Mr. Sank, any one else, please? thanks much in advance, have a good day. Marin. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jun 27 13:57:56 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:57:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** In-Reply-To: <3152c3312772.3127723152c3@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <000601c21dd1$e05da8c0$9c0c893e@a4s1s2> It's not a vacation - more a trial by a thousand pricks .... taking wife and twins to visit my Mum. It's not my Mum that's the problem ... it's the others!!! All three of them!!! Have fun while you're out of town and mind you don't bump into that guy ... what's his name .... Alan Kwi Da? (Guess he's Chinese??!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sent: 27 June 2002 10:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** Have a nice vacation Gra'! I'll be out of town myself from 3-10. I don't think i have Marc's address but will try to find in the old emails. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** > Guys > > I have to go outta town for a couple or so of days. I think we've > enough to > get the tape rolling even if we add any late comers along the way. > I'll > despatch it upon my return. > > Gra' > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From modernizy at netscape.net Thu Jun 27 14:21:05 2002 From: modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:21:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Message-ID: <7222E25C.4246E64D.032C04E1@netscape.net> "Graham Nelson" wrote: >Anyone got an address for these guys? > >Graham Marc Hugo is on a business-trip. I have his address if needed. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop at Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 14:35:08 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:35:08 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** References: <3152c3312772.3127723152c3@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <004901c21dd8$8c8baa60$ce299bca@smarzuki> Here it is, i knew i read it somewhere ! SM Great idea, if there's space still....please include me. Will probably use 682ZX. Deepest, darkest 220v Africa.......... Marc Hugo P.O. Box 13353 Noordstad, Free State 9302 SOUTH AFRICA ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ----- Original Message ----- From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:26 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** Have a nice vacation Gra'! I'll be out of town myself from 3-10. I don't think i have Marc's address but will try to find in the old emails. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:23 pm Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** > Guys > > I have to go outta town for a couple or so of days. I think we've > enough to > get the tape rolling even if we add any late comers along the way. > I'll > despatch it upon my return. > > Gra' > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jun 27 16:43:27 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 10:43:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) References: <001901c21d4a$c4848600$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <004701c21d6f$41e383c0$bf299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D1B248F.A97287F4@rcn.com> Salim: > Nope ! ( ... most of my problems are money related). Actually, all problems in the world arise from only two sources: women and their mothers. (Pitigrilli, I believe). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 18:52:25 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:52:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** References: <000601c21dd1$e05da8c0$9c0c893e@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000901c21dfb$2c98bf80$9d299bca@smarzuki> You mean Alonso Que Dan ... sounds portuguese to me ! Well, i'm taking wife and (almost) twins to visit my Dad ... but i'd call any reason to stay away from worldcom-like news as vacation =) Korean market down 7% in a day .. but that was most likely because of the semifinal ? cashing out to pay the lost bet. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: RE: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** It's not a vacation - more a trial by a thousand pricks .... taking wife and twins to visit my Mum. It's not my Mum that's the problem ... it's the others!!! All three of them!!! Have fun while you're out of town and mind you don't bump into that guy ... what's his name .... Alan Kwi Da? (Guess he's Chinese??!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of smarzuki at indosat.net.id ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 18:55:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:55:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting References: <002701c21a0f$711c31e0$89299bca@smarzuki> <3D14DCC6.E92A4B23@rcn.com> <003401c21a69$cc798740$f1299bca@smarzuki> <3D15D9DD.A9222D4B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000f01c21dfb$746b96c0$9d299bca@smarzuki> Hi Ron, Great news ! Adcom finally replied and said that it still have the 4304 manual. Meanwhile i searched the web for "bias voltage setting" and came across one interesting page called (surprise) Pass Aleph manuals downloads. I'm not familiar with amp design at all ... but curiously the adcom car amp bears similar design / topology / whatsitcalled to the Aleph 0S. If the Pass' is good design ... then this adcom unit is one serious amp ! I tried to draw adcom schematics and ended up using the Aleph's schematics as a template and modify it here and there. The major differences being all voltage connections and diodes 'directions' are reversed. Problem is, the Aleph manual relies on overall AC current draw to set the correct bias voltage. If you have free time, could you please take a look at the enclosed 'drawing' and inform me which resistor should i measure bias voltage across ? I adjusted DC offset successfully using the upper left trimpot. Hopefully i'll get the manual soon. Thanks much for your time ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Tech OT: bias voltage setting Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Thank you very much Ron !! I really appreciate the info. > > Additional stupid question - 'adjust for 0VDC at the output' - should be on > speaker's output, right ? Not stupid at all -- it was my oversight. To answer the question: in direct coupled amps (as probably all that have this adjustment are) 'output' means the speaker terminals. In a capacitively coupled amp, that would mean the amp side (not the speaker side) of the output cap (but, again, I see no point in having this adjustment in a capacitively coupled amp). > Rotel and Bryston were very quick in supplying these bias voltage info - > even for discontinued products ... Bryston even sent me a service manual for > free. I'm quite surprised adcom did not bother to reply at all. I asked for this information from Mondial. I have their Aragon 8008ST (2 channel) and 8008X3 (3 channel) amps. Apparently , they do not have a Service Manual, per se. What they sent was a copy of a hand drawn schematic plus half a page of cryptic instructions (but enough to do the job). They were very helpful, which I did appreciate. I find that manufacturers show their true nature by their behavior long after a sale. For example, I will never buy a Toshiba product again -- not because they make pure garbage nowadays, but because their warranty and so-called Service are a scam. Adcom used to be a very good company (my experience with them is, like, 20 years ago). I guess they've changed... -- Ron > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4304schm.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 33611 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jun 27 18:59:47 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:59:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) References: <001901c21d4a$c4848600$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <004701c21d6f$41e383c0$bf299bca@smarzuki> <3D1B248F.A97287F4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c21dfc$0b5fff80$9d299bca@smarzuki> I surely hope that doesn't imply we'd be better off marrying men ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) Salim: > Nope ! ( ... most of my problems are money related). Actually, all problems in the world arise from only two sources: women and their mothers. (Pitigrilli, I believe). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <001901c21d4a$c4848600$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <004701c21d6f$41e383c0$bf299bca@smarzuki> <3D1B248F.A97287F4@rcn.com> <001a01c21dfc$0b5fff80$9d299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D1B5464.84972620@rcn.com> No. It means you take these problems and learn to like them :-). -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > I surely hope that doesn't imply we'd be better off marrying men ! > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:43 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With > anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) > > Salim: > > > Nope ! ( ... most of my problems are money related). > > Actually, all problems in the world arise from only two > sources: women and their mothers. (Pitigrilli, I believe). > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Jun 27 21:11:03 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:11:03 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay References: Message-ID: <3D1B6347.000007.00568@CopyTech> As an extra machine for parts, maybe, but for a serious collector it worth nothing, just because there're too many Dragons outhere for sale. Ah!, in excellent shape ! Carlos -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 05:37:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay I would probably be more concerned about the claim "This deck makes cd recording better than the cd itself" ... Look at the seller's profile. Over 2,500 sales. All 395 made within last 6 months positive. 2,499 positive. In the great scheme of things, the missing knob should be the least of anyone's concerns. Either do not record on Normal Bias tapes, or give K.J. or Gra' a picture of Franklin, and they will take it off their ZX machines. Or, adjust the missing know functions with a pair o pliers ... My bet with this unit, it will go for over $600 (and if you look at my betting score, I predicted way back when, Brazil, Germany, Senegal, Korea, i.e., got 3 out of 4 right, in a pretty good sequence ... (underestimated Turkey.) Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, June 26, 2002 12:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay If the knobs on the Dragon are like those on the ZX9 they pull off. Thus, assuming an identical fitting, it may be possible to pull one off from one pin and set it onto another, as required, I suppose. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: 26 June 2002 12:48 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay Hi All, There is a Nak Dragon that came up on eBay as of July 25: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1362639862 In the description the seller says: "Missing all but one of the knobs for calibration, but the one knob can move to anyplace for setting." Is this true? Can additional 'calibration knobs' be had, or is it the potential bidder on this item that may be 'had'? All comments from the Naksperts here appreciated. BW --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 27 20:39:13 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:39:13 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> Message-ID: <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> You just need to take apart the mode drive motor(the small one mounted sideways) & clean & lub the commutator & bearings. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marin Turea" To: Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem > hello, everybody, > i have a problem with a DR-3 deck. after being powered up, > the capstan motor starts to spin. the deck does not react > in any way to any command (play/stop/search etc). what this > could be? Mr. Sank, any one else, please? > thanks much in advance, > have a good day. > > Marin. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jun 27 20:40:39 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:40:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? References: Message-ID: <042801c21e0a$234313e0$273442cf@sank1> Once I get a CA-7 in to try it with, I'll be removing the opamp IC from the feedback loop & replacing with a resistor & see if it is stable. Then I will try no feedback at all & see if it remains stable. Probably will land somewhere in between, with a high value resistor for low nfb. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > Hi Stephen, > > Wondering if you can explain the "feedback reduction modification" with > CA-7A pre-amp? > > Thanks > > Vinod > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:52:54 -0600 > > > >The CA-7 uses two cool little potted torroidal transformers, which would > >not > >be easy to source if we can't get Nak originals. So, since I will no doubt > >forget to make the call for the next week or two(the only thing worse than > >a > >bad memory is a bad memory under stress), perhaps one of the other USA > >people here could call Patty & ask if the following two transformers are in > >stock: > >OB50083B > >OB50080B > >Just happened to have the service manual here at home. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:30 AM > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > I trying to get a power supply for mine (220v). If you can > > > get one, I will send it. I would like everything that I have > > > left to be converted. > > > > > > Raul > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:24 AM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, but > >it > > > has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've had > >no > > > other opportunities come up to do another one. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > > > > would be > > > > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis > >amps. > > > > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > > > > would care > > > > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > > > > philosophy, as > > > > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. CA-5 > > > > > is a > > > > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > ======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jun 28 14:36:15 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:36:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) References: Message-ID: <00f601c21ea0$656ae4a0$5e756acf@johnnyrotten> I need a postal address for Ron Hoffman, Framingham, Massachussetts to send cassette on its way. John Delaware ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape & Webpage (Status) > Greetings Nak Marathoners..... > > We have progress to report on the M-Tape 1 recording. The second track which is completed by yours truly, and an update on the M-Tape info website. Have a look: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > I would like to request information from these M-Tape 1 participants; Damon Josz, Ron ???, John Smokeovitch, Rob Hamilton. Also, I detect that we have a few European names listed with North American M-Tape 1, and they probably should be added to the Euro/Asian M-Tape 2. John Walker, Eddy Pollet, Roland Alford. Carlos, what shall we do about this little situation? Perhaps Graham can add these gentlemen to the M-Tape 2 list. Good news, this allows more North American wannabes to be able to participate on M-Tape 1! > > All for now, send your info and any .jpeg images you want to add for your photo opportunity on the webpage. > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Fri Jun 28 15:55:15 2002 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:55:15 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem In-Reply-To: <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <4422689691.20020628165515@mail.md> Stephen , thanks for your suggestion. generous as always, but we have missed this time. i cleaned the contacts and lubed the things but no change. i'll add few more hints (sorry, should have done this earlier): 1) as i said, once deck powered on, the capstan starts to spin. normally, it should move ONLY when "play or record" mode is engaged. 2) also, there is no impulse to the left reel (that ingenious tape slack prevention method in Naks) when deck powered or cassette is inserted (gear update done on this one). 3) ALL motors are ok (checked'em with an AA battery...). 4) i even forced (using the battery) the motor to change the mode and re-attached the transport to the deck. nothing. it seems to be an electronic fault somewhere. but where?... i'll be grateful to you for more ideas on what could cause this damn incident. thank you very much. Marin > ********************************************************************** SS> You just need to take apart the mode drive motor(the small one mounted SS> sideways) & clean & lub the commutator & bearings. SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. SS> http://stephensank.com SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: SS> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jun 28 16:56:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:56:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Dragon on eBay References: <3D1B6347.000007.00568@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D1C7900.6A1AA05B@rcn.com> El Magnifico: > As an extra machine for parts, maybe, but for a serious > collector it worth nothing, just because there're too > many Dragons outhere for sale. Ah!, in excellent shape ! > > Carlos I figured that if it went for less than $400, there'd be room for a complete refurbishing, upgrade, adjustment and calibration job, including some sort of replacement knobs (I can't believe there are no similar knobs all over world), to end up with a nice Dragon for about $700. This is all moot, since, with 4-1/2 days to go, it's already over $300. Besides, the seller demands payment with cashiers check or PayPal. I will positively not buy through the mail, unless a seller can directly charge a credit card. This is the only way that provides protection against Seller Disappearance (an ebay disease I was once hit by, that cost me mucho dinaros at the time). So, bye-bye, Dragon, I guess we won't meet this time... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Jun 28 19:09:41 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:09:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Translate Message-ID: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> Is there someone here that speaks spanish and can tell me what Besame Mucho is? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Jun 28 19:38:08 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:38:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <003e01c21eca$924d1ef0$ef6623c8@g8nsv> Kiss me a lot" is the translation Brian. That is the name of a famous Bolero. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Translate Is there someone here that speaks spanish and can tell me what Besame Mucho is? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Fri, June 28, 2002 12:10 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Translate Is there someone here that speaks spanish and can tell me what Besame Mucho is? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Fri Jun 28 20:10:03 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:10:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <005a01c21ecf$07588320$8a021fac@brianm> LOL - I new Diana was talking nice to me! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate "béseme mucho" is something your CR-7 says to it's owner: Kiss Me Much! Carlos can probably back me up on this. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jun 28 22:08:51 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:08:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001f01c21edf$a307c190$d32f2ac4@CopyTech> Yes, Kiss Me a Lot ... I have ariund 25 different version of that, but one of the much I liked were played by Akiyoshi Cuban Boys. Yes, Japanese !!! I also have Perez Prado, Herb Alpert, Andy Montañez, etc ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate "béseme mucho" is something your CR-7 says to it's owner: Kiss Me Much! Carlos can probably back me up on this. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Marc at Stager.com Fri Jun 28 21:27:16 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:27:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Translate In-Reply-To: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020628152215.01514c10@mail.verizon.net> At 6/28/02, you wrote: >Is there someone here that speaks spanish and can tell me what Besame >Mucho is? > >Brian Miller "Bess", or in Spanish, "Bes" is the name of a cow. Ame means love. Mucho means much, or very much. In other words, it means: "My cow loves me very much". Moo !!!! _______________ Marc Stager -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Fri Jun 28 21:44:19 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:44:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001f01c21edf$a307c190$d32f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <004701c21edc$31903d10$3db5b742@pii366custom> Hey Carlos, maybe if there's space at the end of M-Tape 1, you should put that on for us all to enjoy! I have a very nice version of it in FRENCH! Not Spanish -- Go figure! Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jun 28 22:13:41 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:13:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001f01c21edf$a307c190$d32f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <032201c21ee0$4ce1a8c0$5e756acf@johnnyrotten> Carlos, I got to record on my ReVox B215 for the first time last evening, doing Marathon 1. I am very impressed. Even with Sennheiser headphones on the non Dolby cassette sounded very close to DAT tape on my Sony DTC-75ES. I believe this is because Stephen breathed on my B215. Tape movement is wonderful, RW or FF to Play happens in a flash. The Auto calibration is a breeze and the auto fade is just right. I wonder if I will be as impressed with my Nak. ZXL. If only we all had more time to play with our toys! ;-) Thank you Stephen, an excellent tune up! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate Yes, Kiss Me a Lot ... I have ariund 25 different version of that, but one of the much I liked were played by Akiyoshi Cuban Boys. Yes, Japanese !!! I also have Perez Prado, Herb Alpert, Andy Montañez, etc ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate "béseme mucho" is something your CR-7 says to it's owner: Kiss Me Much! Carlos can probably back me up on this. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Jun 28 22:59:42 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:59:42 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Ortofon Message-ID: A very good friend of mine with a ProJect 6.9 Perspective/Ortofon Rohmann/Trichord Dino/NAD SS series preamp and amp/JMLab Electra setup had his phono cartridge broken by the cleaning lady. Question : How would you compare the following Ortofon cartridges in the above setup and which one would you recommend : - Rohmann (i.e. should he just get replacement); - Jubilee - 3000 Mk2 - 5000 As I might have mentioned before, he has a special connection with an Ortofon dealer and the prices are unbelievable, so I would really have to ask you to please keep your comments within the above mentioned cartridges, he will simply ignore anything else. 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Thanks, Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 29 01:51:33 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:51:33 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001f01c21edf$a307c190$d32f2ac4@CopyTech> <004701c21edc$31903d10$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001e01c21efe$bf412800$ae232ac4@CopyTech> Ha ! That one I don't have ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate Hey Carlos, maybe if there's space at the end of M-Tape 1, you should put that on for us all to enjoy! I have a very nice version of it in FRENCH! Not Spanish -- Go figure! Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 29 01:54:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:54:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001f01c21edf$a307c190$d32f2ac4@CopyTech> <032201c21ee0$4ce1a8c0$5e756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002601c21eff$2e8c36f0$ae232ac4@CopyTech> The B-215 is a very nice and neutral sounding machine. Just like the Tandberg 3014 A which I prefer for recording just because of the manual azymuth adj. What ever you record on a properly aligned B-215, will sound excellent in any other deck. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: John M. Tooley To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate Carlos, I got to record on my ReVox B215 for the first time last evening, doing Marathon 1. I am very impressed. Even with Sennheiser headphones on the non Dolby cassette sounded very close to DAT tape on my Sony DTC-75ES. I believe this is because Stephen breathed on my B215. Tape movement is wonderful, RW or FF to Play happens in a flash. The Auto calibration is a breeze and the auto fade is just right. I wonder if I will be as impressed with my Nak. ZXL. If only we all had more time to play with our toys! ;-) Thank you Stephen, an excellent tune up! John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate Yes, Kiss Me a Lot ... I have ariund 25 different version of that, but one of the much I liked were played by Akiyoshi Cuban Boys. Yes, Japanese !!! I also have Perez Prado, Herb Alpert, Andy Montañez, etc ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Translate "béseme mucho" is something your CR-7 says to it's owner: Kiss Me Much! Carlos can probably back me up on this. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brianm at grar.com Sat Jun 29 01:51:58 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:51:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi CR-7A Message-ID: <000801c21efe$cb260c30$8a021fac@brianm> How is this for a twist, someone wanting a deck. http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/wtb.pl?misccass&1030464189&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Sat Jun 29 02:53:40 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 01:53:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Message-ID: <3D257790@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Help! Can anyone advise on how to get my web browser (windows 98 Explorer) controls back....the controls (back,forward refresh etc.) have disappeared from my web browser,any help would be appreciated. Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 29 03:04:20 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:04:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Translate References: <004401c21ec6$983ede10$8a021fac@brianm> <002901c21ecb$75f12ed0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001f01c21edf$a307c190$d32f2ac4@CopyTech> <004701c21edc$31903d10$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D1D0794.CB4AAD22@rcn.com> > Roland Alford wrote: > > Hey Carlos, maybe if there's space at the end of M-Tape 1, you should put > that on for us all to enjoy! I have a very nice version of it in FRENCH! > Not Spanish -- Go figure! > > Roland I have it in Spanish == Placido Domingo, with Paloma San Basilio. Gorgeous! -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Sat Jun 29 03:44:20 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:44:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] In-Reply-To: <3D257790@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D1CD8B4.22928.DD1237@localhost> Fred- Try right-clicking on the menu area and then click on "Standard Toolbar". tim On 29 Jun 2002 at 1:53, FRED MOSS wrote: > >Help! Can anyone advise on how to get my web browser (windows 98 Explorer) > controls back....the controls (back,forward refresh etc.) have disappeared > from my web browser,any help would be appreciated. > Fred > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jun 29 03:49:58 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:49:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] References: <3D257790@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D1D1246.1AB6AD83@rcn.com> There could be a zillion (give or take a few) causes. Here is just one possibility: if, when the top portion of Internet Explorer disappears, you see on the task bar (lower strip on the screen) a new application, shown as JumpSlide - Microsoft Internet Explorer, then: 1. Hit Control + alt + Del simultaneously. 2. In the dialog box, highlight JumpSlide. 3. Click on End Task. 4. Confirm. -- Ron FRED MOSS wrote: > > >Help! Can anyone advise on how to get my web browser (windows 98 Explorer) > controls back....the controls (back,forward refresh etc.) have disappeared > from my web browser,any help would be appreciated. > Fred > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Sat Jun 29 04:52:48 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:52:48 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? Message-ID: I have a CA-7, it is due for checkup... Wondering if I could send mine? What will be the outcome of this mod? Thanks Vinod >From: "Stephen Sank" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:40:39 -0600 > >Once I get a CA-7 in to try it with, I'll be removing the opamp IC from the >feedback loop & replacing with a resistor & see if it is stable. Then I >will try no feedback at all & see if it remains stable. Probably will land >somewhere in between, with a high value resistor for low nfb. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vinod Kumar" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:23 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > Wondering if you can explain the "feedback reduction modification" with > > CA-7A pre-amp? > > > > Thanks > > > > Vinod > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:52:54 -0600 > > > > > >The CA-7 uses two cool little potted torroidal transformers, which >would > > >not > > >be easy to source if we can't get Nak originals. So, since I will no >doubt > > >forget to make the call for the next week or two(the only thing worse >than > > >a > > >bad memory is a bad memory under stress), perhaps one of the other USA > > >people here could call Patty & ask if the following two transformers >are >in > > >stock: > > >OB50083B > > >OB50080B > > >Just happened to have the service manual here at home. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: > > >To: > > >Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:30 AM > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > I trying to get a power supply for mine (220v). If you can > > > > get one, I will send it. I would like everything that I have > > > > left to be converted. > > > > > > > > Raul > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:24 AM > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, >but > > >it > > > > has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've >had > > >no > > > > other opportunities come up to do another one. > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > > > > > would be > > > > > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis > > >amps. > > > > > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > > > > > would care > > > > > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > > > > > philosophy, as > > > > > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. >CA-5 > > > > > > is a > > > > > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck > > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > > > ======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > >======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >Deck > > >resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >= > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= >======== > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 29 05:55:43 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:55:43 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? References: Message-ID: <005f01c21f20$d8a67f80$2a3442cf@sank1> Well, I firmly believe the effect would be a drastic reduction or total elimination of the grainy, irritating sound in the treble. Probably a good improvement in the sound overall. Reputedly, if you play a CA-7 into speakers with good top end extension, every dog in a mile radius will start barking. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > I have a CA-7, it is due for checkup... Wondering if I could send mine? What > will be the outcome of this mod? > > Thanks > > Vinod > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:40:39 -0600 > > > >Once I get a CA-7 in to try it with, I'll be removing the opamp IC from the > >feedback loop & replacing with a resistor & see if it is stable. Then I > >will try no feedback at all & see if it remains stable. Probably will land > >somewhere in between, with a high value resistor for low nfb. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Vinod Kumar" > >To: > >Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 10:23 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > Wondering if you can explain the "feedback reduction modification" with > > > CA-7A pre-amp? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Vinod > > > > > > > > > >From: "Stephen Sank" > > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >To: > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > >Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:52:54 -0600 > > > > > > > >The CA-7 uses two cool little potted torroidal transformers, which > >would > > > >not > > > >be easy to source if we can't get Nak originals. So, since I will no > >doubt > > > >forget to make the call for the next week or two(the only thing worse > >than > > > >a > > > >bad memory is a bad memory under stress), perhaps one of the other USA > > > >people here could call Patty & ask if the following two transformers > >are > >in > > > >stock: > > > >OB50083B > > > >OB50080B > > > >Just happened to have the service manual here at home. > > > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > >http://stephensank.com > > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:30 AM > > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I trying to get a power supply for mine (220v). If you can > > > > > get one, I will send it. I would like everything that I have > > > > > left to be converted. > > > > > > > > > > Raul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 5:24 AM > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raul had said he'd be sending his CA-7 for feedback reduction mods, > >but > > > >it > > > > > has been quite a long time now & he has not yet sent it. And I've > >had > > > >no > > > > > other opportunities come up to do another one. > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:12 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Stephen, > > > > > > > > > > > > Any news regarding CA7 modifications to get rid of the feedback ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Stephen Sank > > > > > > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:50 am > > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Would you buy a STASIS ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I were shopping for a solid state amp, a Nak PA5II or PA7II > > > > > > > would be > > > > > > > among my top choices. Even over the "original" Threshold stasis > > > >amps. > > > > > > > However, the CA-5, not CA7 or CA-5II, is the only Nak preamp I > > > > > > > would care > > > > > > > for. The CA-5II & CA-7 are polar opposites to the stasis > > > > > > > philosophy, as > > > > > > > they have truly excessive use of feedback & sound terrible. > >CA-5 > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > simple, discrete transistor design which is quite good sounding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >= > > > > > ======= > > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >= > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >= > > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck > > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >= > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >= > > > >======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >Deck > > > >resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >= > > > >======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > >resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jun 29 06:01:17 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:01:17 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> <4422689691.20020628165515@mail.md> Message-ID: <007001c21f21$9f887fe0$2a3442cf@sank1> When you pull the plug from the mode sensing leaf switch bank, does the mode motor begin revolving? If yes, then I'd look for simply a bent or otherwise nonfunctioning door close switch, which is pushed by the right side bar of the cassette holder/doorframe. If not, then it may be either a bad processor or bad timebase crystal for the processor. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marin Turea" To: Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] DR Problem > Stephen , thanks for your suggestion. generous as always, > but we have missed this time. i cleaned the contacts and > lubed the things but no change. > i'll add few more hints (sorry, should have done this earlier): > > 1) as i said, once deck powered on, the capstan starts to spin. > normally, it should move ONLY when "play or record" mode is > engaged. > 2) also, there is no impulse to the left reel (that ingenious > tape slack prevention method in Naks) when deck powered or > cassette is inserted (gear update done on this one). > 3) ALL motors are ok (checked'em with an AA battery...). > 4) i even forced (using the battery) the motor to change the > mode and re-attached the transport to the deck. nothing. > > it seems to be an electronic fault somewhere. but where?... > i'll be grateful to you for more ideas on what could cause > this damn incident. thank you very much. > > Marin > > > > ********************************************************************** > SS> You just need to take apart the mode drive motor(the small one mounted > SS> sideways) & clean & lub the commutator & bearings. > > SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > SS> http://stephensank.com > SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > SS> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 08:37:12 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Poor old knobless Dragon In-Reply-To: <3D1A1523.8ED410FF@warwick.net> Message-ID: <20020629063712.77177.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> The seller of this deck is in Orange, CA. Not too far away from me. Actually about an hours drive. I asked the seller if I could pick it up and save on the shipping. He said, Yes and would be happy to not have to pack the thing. If anyone is seriously interested in this deck let me know (off Naktalk) and I'll consider staying out of the bidding. SJ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sat Jun 29 16:18:19 2002 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:19 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem In-Reply-To: <007001c21f21$9f887fe0$2a3442cf@sank1> References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> <4422689691.20020628165515@mail.md> <007001c21f21$9f887fe0$2a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <8313312664.20020629171819@mail.md> and in the 21st century, a mad Nakamichi processor would mean the "death" of the deck? or, these are still being made? price/availability? are there any substitutes? i end my contribution to this subject, sincere thanks for your time. bye. Marin. > SS> If not, then it may be either a bad processor SS> or bad timebase crystal for the processor. SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. SS> http://stephensank.com SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: SS> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Sat Jun 29 16:18:45 2002 From: emte at mail.md (Marin Turea) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:45 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem In-Reply-To: <007001c21f21$9f887fe0$2a3442cf@sank1> References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> <4422689691.20020628165515@mail.md> <007001c21f21$9f887fe0$2a3442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <8913338366.20020629171845@mail.md> and in the 21st century, a mad Nakamichi processor would mean the "death" of the deck? or, these are still being made? price/availability? are there any substitutes? i end my contribution to this subject, sincere thanks for your time. bye. Marin. > SS> If not, then it may be either a bad processor SS> or bad timebase crystal for the processor. SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. SS> http://stephensank.com SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: SS> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jun 29 18:20:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 23:20:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem References: <004701c21db3$ead56400$879f87d9@a4s1s2> <15412027552.20020627124037@mail.md> <042501c21e09$f1ed60c0$273442cf@sank1> <4422689691.20020628165515@mail.md> <007001c21f21$9f887fe0$2a3442cf@sank1> <8313312664.20020629171819@mail.md> Message-ID: <001101c21f88$e9a96000$d5299bca@smarzuki> Hi Marin, It is very rare death of a microchip. I have one deck which i finally concluded was once immersed in mud, and yet only the contacts & motors (and relay) were broken. All chips are okay. In any case, if you need one you can try to find those ebay 'for parts' deck cheap. There's still NOS supply for older Nak 4315 cpu (BX, RX, CR), but i'm not sure it's the same with DR. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Marin Turea To: Stephen Sank Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem and in the 21st century, a mad Nakamichi processor would mean the "death" of the deck? or, these are still being made? price/availability? are there any substitutes? i end my contribution to this subject, sincere thanks for your time. bye. Marin. > SS> If not, then it may be either a bad processor SS> or bad timebase crystal for the processor. SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. SS> http://stephensank.com SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: SS> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 29 19:34:39 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:34:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 In-Reply-To: <7222E25C.4246E64D.032C04E1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <003d01c21f93$3f015260$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> Yes please. And Carlos - if you read this, I gather there may be one or two more from Europe and also S Africa who could go on this tape, who have communicated their address to you? Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Nick Sent: 27 June 2002 01:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 (With anattachment - it isn't a virus from my kid!) "Graham Nelson" wrote: >Anyone got an address for these guys? > >Graham Marc Hugo is on a business-trip. I have his address if needed. Nicholas. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 29 19:35:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:35:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** In-Reply-To: <004901c21dd8$8c8baa60$ce299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003e01c21f93$5a1d04e0$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> Thanks Salim! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 27 June 2002 01:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak M-Tape Status Report 1 - TAPE 2 ** UPDATE ** Here it is, i knew i read it somewhere ! SM Great idea, if there's space still....please include me. Will probably use 682ZX. Deepest, darkest 220v Africa.......... Marc Hugo P.O. Box 13353 Noordstad, Free State 9302 SOUTH AFRICA --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sat Jun 29 19:56:37 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:56:37 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) In-Reply-To: <200206291846.UAA02546@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi fellows, I was thinking ... since there aren't 16 Europeans participating (at least as far as I know), why not raise the 5 minutes limit a bit ? And another question (and perhaps Carlos is the right man to answer this) : what should be recorded ... an example of the fantastic quality a Nak allows, a very special piece of music, a song that is typical for the place we live ... ? It's just so difficult to choose just one song :-) Thanks in advance, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jun 29 20:15:05 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:15:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) In-Reply-To: References: <200206291846.UAA02546@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020629201336.00a12480@box.tin.it> Me too ... I should like to have the 5 min. limit rised . For the typical ''national'' song .. I am a little bit less happy .... but I can consider it ... Ezio At 07:56 PM 6/29/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi fellows, > >I was thinking ... since there aren't 16 Europeans participating (at least >as far as I know), why not raise the 5 minutes limit a bit ? >And another question (and perhaps Carlos is the right man to answer this) : >what should be recorded ... an example of the fantastic quality a Nak >allows, a very special piece of music, a song that is typical for the place >we live ... ? It's just so difficult to choose just one song :-) > >Thanks in advance, > >Eddy > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 29 21:10:26 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 12:10:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem Message-ID: <20020629191026.92252.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> I'm trying to get a CPU for a MR-1 (p/n 0B11020). Patty at Nakamichi says it's a good part number, but, they don't have any and ETA is unknown. I don't know what's worse. Flat out saying, No we don't have that anymore or saying Oh, yah sure, we can get that, but, we don't know when. I have a MR-1 with NO CPU. Whoever owned it before me removed it. I don't want to just sell it for parts. It's a nice deck. SJ --- Marin Turea wrote: > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:45 +0300 > From: Marin Turea > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem > > and in the 21st century, a mad Nakamichi processor > would > mean the "death" of the deck? or, these are still > being > made? price/availability? are there any substitutes? > > i end my contribution to this subject, > sincere thanks for your time. > bye. > > Marin. > > > > > > SS> If not, then it may be either a bad processor > SS> or bad timebase crystal for the processor. > > SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog Transducer Co. > SS> http://stephensank.com > SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > SS> > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 29 22:50:15 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:50:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) References: Message-ID: <001201c21fae$958495a0$a3312ac4@CopyTech> No Eddy. It's better if we stick to the original rules. That way we don't give special benefits to some members. Choose whatever material you want. The only style forgiven is RAP. I appreciate your suggestion anyway. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) > Hi fellows, > > I was thinking ... since there aren't 16 Europeans participating (at least > as far as I know), why not raise the 5 minutes limit a bit ? > And another question (and perhaps Carlos is the right man to answer this) : > what should be recorded ... an example of the fantastic quality a Nak > allows, a very special piece of music, a song that is typical for the place > we live ... ? It's just so difficult to choose just one song :-) > > Thanks in advance, > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jun 29 22:51:58 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 15:51:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem References: <20020629191026.92252.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c21fae$d30a8dd0$a3312ac4@CopyTech> Same story repeated all over again, Scott. Parts availability for these oldies is getting worst everywhere. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: Fwd: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem > I'm trying to get a CPU for a MR-1 (p/n 0B11020). > Patty at Nakamichi says it's a good part number, but, > they don't have any and ETA is unknown. I don't know > what's worse. Flat out saying, No we don't have that > anymore or saying Oh, yah sure, we can get that, but, > we don't know when. > > I have a MR-1 with NO CPU. Whoever owned it before me > removed it. I don't want to just sell it for parts. > It's a nice deck. > > SJ > --- Marin Turea wrote: > > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:45 +0300 > > From: Marin Turea > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem > > > > and in the 21st century, a mad Nakamichi processor > > would > > mean the "death" of the deck? or, these are still > > being > > made? price/availability? are there any substitutes? > > > > i end my contribution to this subject, > > sincere thanks for your time. > > bye. > > > > Marin. > > > > > > > > > > > SS> If not, then it may be either a bad processor > > SS> or bad timebase crystal for the processor. > > > > SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > > Dog Transducer Co. > > SS> http://stephensank.com > > SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > SS> > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 29 22:42:09 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:42:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020629201336.00a12480@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <005e01c21fad$70764e80$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> Guys I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 minutes a piece. As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape to John on Tuesday. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: 29 June 2002 07:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) Me too ... I should like to have the 5 min. limit rised . For the typical ''national'' song .. I am a little bit less happy .... but I can consider it ... Ezio --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tape Marathon.doc Type: application/msword Size: 23040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jun 29 22:44:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:44:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Mystery package .... In-Reply-To: <019d01c21bf3$a19080c0$273442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <006301c21fad$bf871720$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> Hi Stephen Have you sent me some of the goodies? I just got notice to collect a parcel on which I have about $30 to pay in import tax. How you doing? Still a bit fraught? Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Jun 30 04:17:31 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:17:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] DR Problem References: <20020629191026.92252.qmail@web13107.mail.yahoo.com> <001c01c21fae$d30a8dd0$a3312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D1E6A38.3EF5609D@snet.net> ETA unknown is not a good thing... even when ETA is "known" you can be sure that it's probably at least a month off from whatever Patty tells you. She's great and has pulled hard to get parts from them, but she can only do so much if Nakamichi doesn't care because they have other things to worry about (like folding up and going out of business). Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Same story repeated all over again, Scott. Parts availability for these > oldies is getting worst everywhere. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Johnson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:10 PM > Subject: Fwd: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem > > > I'm trying to get a CPU for a MR-1 (p/n 0B11020). > > Patty at Nakamichi says it's a good part number, but, > > they don't have any and ETA is unknown. I don't know > > what's worse. Flat out saying, No we don't have that > > anymore or saying Oh, yah sure, we can get that, but, > > we don't know when. > > > > I have a MR-1 with NO CPU. Whoever owned it before me > > removed it. I don't want to just sell it for parts. > > It's a nice deck. > > > > SJ > > --- Marin Turea wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 17:18:45 +0300 > > > From: Marin Turea > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re[4]: [naktalk] DR Problem > > > > > > and in the 21st century, a mad Nakamichi processor > > > would > > > mean the "death" of the deck? or, these are still > > > being > > > made? price/availability? are there any substitutes? > > > > > > i end my contribution to this subject, > > > sincere thanks for your time. > > > bye. > > > > > > Marin. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SS> If not, then it may be either a bad processor > > > SS> or bad timebase crystal for the processor. > > > > > > SS> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > SS> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > > > Dog Transducer Co. > > > SS> http://stephensank.com > > > SS> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > SS> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > SS> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > SS> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > SS> > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > SS> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 30 04:44:38 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:44:38 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE References: <005e01c21fad$70764e80$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <028601c21fe1$78fdd940$56299bca@smarzuki> Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since nak uses tdk). Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Guys I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 minutes a piece. As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape to John on Tuesday. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 30 04:54:27 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:54:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) References: Message-ID: <028701c21fe1$799e10e0$56299bca@smarzuki> Imho we'd better leave the 5 min limit, just in case there are latecomers chipping in - still hoping Kannan would fill in the blank =) I also have problems deciding that one song ! Not to mention murphy's law kicking in ... the more we like the music, the worse recording quality we will have. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: POLLET Eddy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 (European version) Hi fellows, I was thinking ... since there aren't 16 Europeans participating (at least as far as I know), why not raise the 5 minutes limit a bit ? And another question (and perhaps Carlos is the right man to answer this) : what should be recorded ... an example of the fantastic quality a Nak allows, a very special piece of music, a song that is typical for the place we live ... ? It's just so difficult to choose just one song :-) Thanks in advance, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 30 05:54:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 04:54:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... In-Reply-To: <028601c21fe1$78fdd940$56299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000701c21fe9$e5182100$449087d9@a4s1s2> At present, I don't have any Maxells in stock save for some C110 metals, which I'd love to use but my ZX9 chews them! (My Pioneer is much more forgiving of long tapes ...) If there are enough on the Tape 2 list who feel they'd prefer Maxell I can order one but we'll delay the process a while I receive it, unless we start the Tape 2 Marathon from a different starting point. Otherwise, I have a large stock of SA and SA-X and can get the ball rolling early this week. Cast your votes!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 03:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since nak uses tdk). Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Guys I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 minutes a piece. As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape to John on Tuesday. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jun 30 07:05:23 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:05:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) Message-ID: Greetings to my NakTalking friends! I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions welcome, please contribute to the discussion! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jun 30 07:58:12 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:58:12 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) Message-ID: Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the blueswapper emailbox. blueswapper at angelfire.com Thanks, have a great weekend!!! Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 30 08:01:36 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:01:36 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Mystery package .... References: <006301c21fad$bf871720$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <00ee01c21ffb$9903a340$2a3442cf@sank1> No, I have sent anything yet. "Fraught" is a pretty apt descriptive, yes. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 2:44 PM Subject: [naktalk] Mystery package .... > Hi Stephen > > Have you sent me some of the goodies? I just got notice to collect a parcel > on which I have about $30 to pay in import tax. > > How you doing? Still a bit fraught? > > Gra' > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Jun 30 08:33:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:33:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) References: Message-ID: <011201c22000$1c934ea0$2a3442cf@sank1> I use MEK, methyl ethyl ketone, for all tape path cleaning needs. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) > Greetings to my NakTalking friends! > > I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions welcome, please contribute to the discussion! > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 30 08:49:19 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:49:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... References: <000701c21fe9$e5182100$449087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <003901c22002$43264480$93299bca@smarzuki> In that case then let's get the M2 rolling with SA or SA-X. By the way, what is the difference between SA and SA-X ? Older TDKs that i use were of SA variant and they're quite good. Today i can only find SA-X, and like almost all modern stuff, quality goes down the drain. Speaking about capstan cleaning fluid (right on time ! =) maybe you should get your ZX cleaned up, i never have long-tape problems on dual capstan naks. Bleus, i use alcohol for capstans, stubborn crust will eventually go away ... after a lengthy cleaning session (use alcohol damped cloth instead of q tips). Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... At present, I don't have any Maxells in stock save for some C110 metals, which I'd love to use but my ZX9 chews them! (My Pioneer is much more forgiving of long tapes ...) If there are enough on the Tape 2 list who feel they'd prefer Maxell I can order one but we'll delay the process a while I receive it, unless we start the Tape 2 Marathon from a different starting point. Otherwise, I have a large stock of SA and SA-X and can get the ball rolling early this week. Cast your votes!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 03:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since nak uses tdk). Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Guys I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 minutes a piece. As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape to John on Tuesday. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdewire at ameritech.net Sun Jun 30 09:03:03 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:03:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: K.J. I use either the Teac professional tape head cleaning fluid or the less costly and more available Radio Shack professional tape head cleaner. Both are mixtures of Isopropanol, Ethanol, and Methanol. I use a small section of Twill Wipe folded so it can get to the small heads and on the capstan shafts as well. I use Teac's rubber cleaner very sparingly every once and awhile on the pinch rollers, and ensure they are wiped clean and that the solution does not get to any metal parts or the heads. I have had great success with this method for years. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:05 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) Greetings to my NakTalking friends! I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions welcome, please contribute to the discussion! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 30 10:03:00 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:03:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SA or SA-X In-Reply-To: <003901c22002$43264480$93299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000a01c2200c$8d9761c0$449087d9@a4s1s2> I am not too well versed in the precise differences. I understand the formula is slightly different and that SA-X gives better high frequencies without loss at any other part of the spectrum in comparison with SA. There is, I understand, certainly a measurable differences, but to my ear, it's a subtle one that's barely audible and I'm not sure it would pass the A-B-X test! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 07:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... In that case then let's get the M2 rolling with SA or SA-X. By the way, what is the difference between SA and SA-X ? Older TDKs that i use were of SA variant and they're quite good. Today i can only find SA-X, and like almost all modern stuff, quality goes down the drain. Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sun Jun 30 16:32:23 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:32:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE References: <005e01c21fad$70764e80$88bb87d9@a4s1s2> <028601c21fe1$78fdd940$56299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002601c22042$f9489890$c92f2ac4@CopyTech> Guys, Guys ! Lets' skip small details and go straight to the main idea : The Marathon Tape traveling around the tape. TDK, Maxell, Sony, who cares ! Let's go once and for all, PLEASE ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs > instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to > have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way > off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform > quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since > nak uses tdk). > > Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > Guys > > I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on > this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that > leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some > late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) > STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 > minutes a piece. > > As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the > next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to > Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape > to John on Tuesday. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Jun 30 16:42:53 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:42:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) References: Message-ID: <003001c22044$6db83950$c92f2ac4@CopyTech> Fellows: This morning I have received 2 gifts: the #1 one was Brazil that I always predicted to be the "Campeon" and #2: Just noticed that my friend Bleus dedicated his page to me. I really appreciated that and I will share this dedication to all the members of this list who has become part of my family for the last 3 or so years. My next effort would be the " Nak Fest" originated from Mr. Bleus prolific mind. If we take it seriously, we could meet in the future with no problems. Puerto Rico is a good place for vacations and I have the proper connections in order to obtain some places for leisure time, lectures, etc ... The machines to be exhibited could be send in advance to me in order to make a general public open house, so they could appreciate our last tributes to the long living cassette. So, with all seriousness and honesty, typical charasteristics of these bunch of professional fellows around the world, let's start planning the Nakfest after finishing the 1 Marathon Tape. Who say "Me" ? Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > > Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the blueswapper emailbox. > > blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Jun 30 15:42:34 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:42:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... References: <000701c21fe9$e5182100$449087d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <3D1F0ACA.2060503@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> No, get it rolling. It's taken long enough to set up as it is! John Walker Graham Nelson wrote: >At present, I don't have any Maxells in stock save for some C110 metals, >which I'd love to use but my ZX9 chews them! (My Pioneer is much more >forgiving of long tapes ...) If there are enough on the Tape 2 list who >feel they'd prefer Maxell I can order one but we'll delay the process a >while I receive it, unless we start the Tape 2 Marathon from a different >starting point. Otherwise, I have a large stock of SA and SA-X and can get >the ball rolling early this week. > >Cast your votes!!! > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Salim Marzuki >Sent: 30 June 2002 03:45 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > >Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs >instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to >have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way >off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform >quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since >nak uses tdk). > >Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? > >Cheers, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Graham Nelson >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > >Guys > >I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on >this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that >leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some >late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) >STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 >minutes a piece. > >As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the >next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to >Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape >to John on Tuesday. > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Jun 30 16:46:06 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:46:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Message-ID: <004601c22044$e0f3bc50$c92f2ac4@CopyTech> OOOPS ! It was supposed to read: " Traveling around the world" but just received Salim's last mail with a final agreement towards Gra's TDK tape. So ... let's keep rolling. Perhaps by August I have the 2 tapes in Puerto Rico. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > Guys, Guys ! Lets' skip small details and go straight to the main idea : The > Marathon Tape traveling around the tape. TDK, Maxell, Sony, who cares ! > Let's go once and for all, PLEASE ! > > Carlos > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:44 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > > > > Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or > IIs > > instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to > > have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way > > off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform > > quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange > since > > nak uses tdk). > > > > Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Graham Nelson > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > > > > Guys > > > > I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on > > this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that > > leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of > some > > late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, > too?) > > STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 > > minutes a piece. > > > > As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the > > next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to > > Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the > tape > > to John on Tuesday. > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Jun 30 15:49:36 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) References: Message-ID: <3D1F0C70.1000607@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Hey Bleus, you've been doing some creative editting on your website: I am John *R* Walker, and I live on the Isle of Portland, not the Isle of Wight! I guess the 'E' came about because of my famous namesake, Johnnie Walker (no relation). John R Walker The BlueSwapper wrote: >Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > >Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the blueswapper emailbox. > >blueswapper at angelfire.com > >Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Jun 30 16:09:06 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 07:09:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) Message-ID: Bravo, Carlos!!! You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the winter months, February or March of 2003). May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of Puerto Rico? K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:55:00 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, June 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2442 > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:42:53 -0500 >From: "El Magnifico" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > >Fellows: > >This morning I have received 2 gifts: the #1 one was Brazil that I always >predicted to be the "Campeon" and #2: Just noticed that my friend Bleus >dedicated his page to me. > >I really appreciated that and I will share this dedication to all the >members of this list who has become part of my family for the last 3 or so >years. > >My next effort would be the " Nak Fest" originated from Mr. Bleus prolific >mind. If we take it seriously, we could meet in the future with no problems. >Puerto Rico is a good place for vacations and I have the proper connections >in order to obtain some places for leisure time, lectures, etc ... The >machines to be exhibited could be send in advance to me in order to make a >general public open house, so they could appreciate our last tributes to the >long living cassette. > >So, with all seriousness and honesty, typical charasteristics of these bunch >of professional fellows around the world, let's start planning the Nakfest >after finishing the 1 Marathon Tape. > >Who say "Me" ? > >Carlos >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:58 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > >> Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... >> >> Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: >> >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html >> >> Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham >Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like >made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, >photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each >weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the >blueswapper emailbox. >> >> blueswapper at angelfire.com >> >> Thanks, have a great weekend!!! >> >> Bleus >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2442 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 30 16:33:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 15:33:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c22043$0b610300$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! Ho! Ho! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: 30 June 2002 03:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: bleuswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) Bravo, Carlos!!! You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the winter months, February or March of 2003). May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of Puerto Rico? K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Jun 30 16:44:55 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:44:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) References: Message-ID: <3D1F1967.20191254@rcn.com> I used to have (finished the last one last year) 'Magnetic Tape Drive Cleaning Fluid' sold under the DEC name and meant for computer tape drives. DEC is now defunct and the stuff (Trichlorotrifluoroethan based) is now illegal to sell in The States. It may still be available in less paranoid countries. It cleans anything under the sun, yet is safe to clean tape heads and guides. Don't get any on your hands, though (or wash with plenty of soap and water if you do). I am now using a commercial head cleaner based on Isopropanol and Tetrafluoroethane. Not as potent, but available. In one very stubborn case I used to good effect commercial flux remover. This is also based on Tetrafluoroethane, but with Dichloromethane and 'petroleum solvent' added. One should be very careful with this stuff, it can harm plastics or heads. I sprayed some on a foam swab, then used it to clean, making damn sure *nothing* except the capstans was touched. -- Ron The BlueSwapper wrote: > > Greetings to my NakTalking friends! > > I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions welcome, please contribute to the discussion! > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 30 17:43:48 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:43:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE References: <004601c22044$e0f3bc50$c92f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001b01c2204c$edcf8a00$8e299bca@smarzuki> Awright ! As a tribute to mundial i'm hoping to put in "Brazil" by Pink Martini on M2 tape. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE OOOPS ! It was supposed to read: " Traveling around the world" but just received Salim's last mail with a final agreement towards Gra's TDK tape. So ... let's keep rolling. Perhaps by August I have the 2 tapes in Puerto Rico. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > Guys, Guys ! Lets' skip small details and go straight to the main idea : The > Marathon Tape traveling around the tape. TDK, Maxell, Sony, who cares ! > Let's go once and for all, PLEASE ! > > Carlos > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sun Jun 30 18:11:43 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:11:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: <000401c22043$0b610300$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000b01c22050$d4903bd0$766523c8@g8nsv> I applaude the idea!!!! Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this adventure :-) By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > Ho! Ho! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 30 June 2002 03:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: bleuswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > Bravo, Carlos!!! > > You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this > gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can > plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the > winter months, February or March of 2003). > > May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their > beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of > Puerto Rico? > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jun 30 18:38:40 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:38:40 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] That Graham & NakFest in Puerto Rico References: <000401c22043$0b610300$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <006601c22054$98f749c0$34756acf@johnrotten> Graham, You aorta be shot! Wash you mouth in soap! Stephen already gave you a Nak., maybe not a Dragon, but! ;-) Just think if we could get Stephen to Puerto Rico we could all treat him like a male Cinderella! I can hear it now, Stephen please work on mine first! ;-) We would have to make rules that Stephen was not permitted to bring any tools or calibration tapes so that he could also enjoy a break! Puerto Rico, in the cold months here, sounds positively wonderful to me and the Misses. Cheers or what ever they say in Puerto Rico! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > Ho! Ho! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 30 June 2002 03:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: bleuswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > Bravo, Carlos!!! > > You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this > gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can > plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the > winter months, February or March of 2003). > > May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their > beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of > Puerto Rico? > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jun 30 18:41:00 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:41:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) References: <003001c22044$6db83950$c92f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <007e01c22054$ebe65e00$34756acf@johnrotten> Carlos, Sounds like a wonderful idea to me! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > Fellows: > > This morning I have received 2 gifts: the #1 one was Brazil that I always > predicted to be the "Campeon" and #2: Just noticed that my friend Bleus > dedicated his page to me. > > I really appreciated that and I will share this dedication to all the > members of this list who has become part of my family for the last 3 or so > years. > > My next effort would be the " Nak Fest" originated from Mr. Bleus prolific > mind. If we take it seriously, we could meet in the future with no problems. > Puerto Rico is a good place for vacations and I have the proper connections > in order to obtain some places for leisure time, lectures, etc ... The > machines to be exhibited could be send in advance to me in order to make a > general public open house, so they could appreciate our last tributes to the > long living cassette. > > So, with all seriousness and honesty, typical charasteristics of these bunch > of professional fellows around the world, let's start planning the Nakfest > after finishing the 1 Marathon Tape. > > Who say "Me" ? > > Carlos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > > > Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > > > > Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > > > Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham > Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like > made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, > photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each > weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the > blueswapper emailbox. > > > > blueswapper at angelfire.com > > > > Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > > > > Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jun 30 18:42:49 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:42:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: Message-ID: <008801c22055$2bfbdab0$34756acf@johnrotten> I agree on the Feb. March and Spouse bit. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Bravo, Carlos!!! > > You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the winter months, February or March of 2003). > > May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of Puerto Rico? > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:55:00 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Sunday, June 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2442 > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:42:53 -0500 > >From: "El Magnifico" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > > >Fellows: > > > >This morning I have received 2 gifts: the #1 one was Brazil that I always > >predicted to be the "Campeon" and #2: Just noticed that my friend Bleus > >dedicated his page to me. > > > >I really appreciated that and I will share this dedication to all the > >members of this list who has become part of my family for the last 3 or so > >years. > > > >My next effort would be the " Nak Fest" originated from Mr. Bleus prolific > >mind. If we take it seriously, we could meet in the future with no problems. > >Puerto Rico is a good place for vacations and I have the proper connections > >in order to obtain some places for leisure time, lectures, etc ... The > >machines to be exhibited could be send in advance to me in order to make a > >general public open house, so they could appreciate our last tributes to the > >long living cassette. > > > >So, with all seriousness and honesty, typical charasteristics of these bunch > >of professional fellows around the world, let's start planning the Nakfest > >after finishing the 1 Marathon Tape. > > > >Who say "Me" ? > > > >Carlos > >- ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:58 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > > > > >> Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > >> > >> Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > >> > >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >> > >> Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham > >Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like > >made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, > >photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each > >weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the > >blueswapper emailbox. > >> > >> blueswapper at angelfire.com > >> > >> Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > >> > >> Bleus > >> > >> --- > >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >> > >> > >------------------------------ > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2442 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Jun 30 18:49:37 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 12:49:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) References: Message-ID: <00aa01c22056$1f882e90$34756acf@johnrotten> The band "To Be Determined" sure gets a lot of coverage on our Marathon tapes web site, they must be good. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:58 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > > Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the blueswapper emailbox. > > blueswapper at angelfire.com > > Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jun 30 19:44:47 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:44:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: <000401c22043$0b610300$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> <000b01c22050$d4903bd0$766523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <003201c2205d$d3f52160$8e299bca@smarzuki> Selamat Ulang Tahun, Isy !! (Happy Birthday in Indonesian) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) I applaude the idea!!!! Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this adventure :-) By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 30 19:45:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:45:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) In-Reply-To: <000b01c22050$d4903bd0$766523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <002801c2205d$ebdbe7a0$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> Isy Maybe Carlos could fix up a dating agency for the trip!!! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isy Fidelman Sent: 30 June 2002 05:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) I applaude the idea!!!! Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this adventure :-) By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > Ho! Ho! > > Graham > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sun Jun 30 20:27:28 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:27:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] BUON COMPLEANNO ! In-Reply-To: <003201c2205d$d3f52160$8e299bca@smarzuki> References: <000401c22043$0b610300$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> <000b01c22050$d4903bd0$766523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020630202611.00a19d80@box.tin.it> BUON COMPLEANNO ! (Happy Birthday ... in Italian) 100 di questi giorni. Ezio >From: Isy Fidelman >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:11 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > >I applaude the idea!!!! >Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this >adventure :-) >By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an >open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. > >Isy Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 30 20:29:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:29:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] That Graham & NakFest in Puerto Rico In-Reply-To: <006601c22054$98f749c0$34756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <003501c22064$14c0e700$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> What? We're going to let Stephen OUT of the workshop? I mean, is that wise???!!! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John M. Tooley Sent: 30 June 2002 05:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] That Graham & NakFest in Puerto Rico Graham, You aorta be shot! Wash you mouth in soap! Stephen already gave you a Nak., maybe not a Dragon, but! ;-) Just think if we could get Stephen to Puerto Rico we could all treat him like a male Cinderella! I can hear it now, Stephen please work on mine first! ;-) We would have to make rules that Stephen was not permitted to bring any tools or calibration tapes so that he could also enjoy a break! Puerto Rico, in the cold months here, sounds positively wonderful to me and the Misses. Cheers or what ever they say in Puerto Rico! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > Ho! Ho! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > The BlueSwapper > Sent: 30 June 2002 03:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Cc: bleuswapper at angelfire.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > Bravo, Carlos!!! > > You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this > gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can > plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the > winter months, February or March of 2003). > > May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their > beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of > Puerto Rico? > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jun 30 20:29:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:29:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) In-Reply-To: <003201c2205d$d3f52160$8e299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <003b01c22064$17604a00$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> I'll save that for February and pretend I got it then, sad b####d that I am! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 06:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) Selamat Ulang Tahun, Isy !! (Happy Birthday in Indonesian) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) I applaude the idea!!!! Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this adventure :-) By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B72@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I'm not fussed, either way for me. However I do like the Maxell's just that little bit better for the same reasons that Salim pointed out. Gra', does your ZX-9 really chew up the ultra thin tapes? I've tried similar tapes on my ZX-9 and no problemo. I guess your machine is more strict than mine - it's probably thinking "either feed me the good stuff or nothing at all!" Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 1:55 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... Importance: High At present, I don't have any Maxells in stock save for some C110 metals, which I'd love to use but my ZX9 chews them! (My Pioneer is much more forgiving of long tapes ...) If there are enough on the Tape 2 list who feel they'd prefer Maxell I can order one but we'll delay the process a while I receive it, unless we start the Tape 2 Marathon from a different starting point. Otherwise, I have a large stock of SA and SA-X and can get the ball rolling early this week. Cast your votes!!! Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 03:45 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since nak uses tdk). Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE Guys I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 minutes a piece. As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape to John on Tuesday. Graham -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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You raise a good question regarding the issue of cleaning up intricate hardware components that reside close to the heads, so I'd stick to the alcohol and have the capstans spin (from memory the RX505, ZX9's capstans should spin upon power on regardless if there is a tape in there or not,) while you apply the swab onto them. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 3:05 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) Greetings to my NakTalking friends! I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions welcome, please contribute to the discussion! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 1 04:26:35 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:26:35 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: Message-ID: <000b01c220a6$bc39a6b0$86232ac4@CopyTech> Your ideas are very good, Bleus. Yes, you can bring your family down. I'll try to book a resort for all of you and definetely: we'll have a party at my house ... I'l try to obtain good rates, since the hotels around me , like El Conquistador are 5 stars, so that means, expensive. But we also have some others around very good and economical. By the way: I live in the East Coast by the famous Luquillo Beach and El Yunque rain forest. Lets' plan ahead ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 9:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Bravo, Carlos!!! > > You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers can plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during the winter months, February or March of 2003). > > May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany their beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of Puerto Rico? > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 16:55:00 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Sunday, June 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2442 > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:42:53 -0500 > >From: "El Magnifico" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > > >Fellows: > > > >This morning I have received 2 gifts: the #1 one was Brazil that I always > >predicted to be the "Campeon" and #2: Just noticed that my friend Bleus > >dedicated his page to me. > > > >I really appreciated that and I will share this dedication to all the > >members of this list who has become part of my family for the last 3 or so > >years. > > > >My next effort would be the " Nak Fest" originated from Mr. Bleus prolific > >mind. If we take it seriously, we could meet in the future with no problems. > >Puerto Rico is a good place for vacations and I have the proper connections > >in order to obtain some places for leisure time, lectures, etc ... The > >machines to be exhibited could be send in advance to me in order to make a > >general public open house, so they could appreciate our last tributes to the > >long living cassette. > > > >So, with all seriousness and honesty, typical charasteristics of these bunch > >of professional fellows around the world, let's start planning the Nakfest > >after finishing the 1 Marathon Tape. > > > >Who say "Me" ? > > > >Carlos > >- ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:58 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > > > > >> Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > >> > >> Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > >> > >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >> > >> Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham > >Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like > >made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, > >photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each > >weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the > >blueswapper emailbox. > >> > >> blueswapper at angelfire.com > >> > >> Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > >> > >> Bleus > >> > >> --- > >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >> > >> > >------------------------------ > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2442 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 1 04:34:29 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:34:29 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) References: <00aa01c22056$1f882e90$34756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001f01c220a7$d6b923c0$86232ac4@CopyTech> That's a good one, John ! Ha,ha,ha, !!!!!!!!!!!11 Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > The band "To Be Determined" sure gets a lot of coverage on our Marathon > tapes web site, they must be good. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 1:58 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > > > > Greetings to all M-Tape participants.... > > > > Latest updates to the M-Tape status website have been added: > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > > > Please look over the info I've added to the page (mostly from Graham > Nelson), and send me an email with any revisions or additions you would like > made (like what Nak deck you intend to use for recording, musical selection, > photo opportunity .jpeg images). I'll try to update the webpage each > weekend, possibly at a shorter interval if enough info arrives at the > blueswapper emailbox. > > > > blueswapper at angelfire.com > > > > Thanks, have a great weekend!!! > > > > Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 1 04:35:15 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:35:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: <000401c22043$0b610300$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> <000b01c22050$d4903bd0$766523c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <002701c220a7$f266dd10$86232ac4@CopyTech> Feliz Cumpleaños, Isy !!!!!!! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isy Fidelman" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > I applaude the idea!!!! > Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this > adventure :-) > By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an > open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > > > Ho! Ho! > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > The BlueSwapper > > Sent: 30 June 2002 03:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Cc: bleuswapper at angelfire.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > > > > Bravo, Carlos!!! > > > > You can certainly count me in on the NakFest thing. Let's plan this > > gathering to be far enough into the future to ensure as many NakTalkers > can > > plan to fit the event into their busy schedules. Might I suggest during > the > > winter months, February or March of 2003). > > > > May we consider allowing spouses and significant partners to accompany > their > > beloved Nakfanatics for the overall good times on the beautiful Isle of > > Puerto Rico? > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 1 04:35:38 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:35:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: <002801c2205d$ebdbe7a0$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <002b01c220a7$ffd01750$86232ac4@CopyTech> Sure, why not !!!!! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Isy > > Maybe Carlos could fix up a dating agency for the trip!!! ;o) > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Isy Fidelman > Sent: 30 June 2002 05:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto > Rico) > > > I applaude the idea!!!! > Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this > adventure :-) > By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an > open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. > > Isy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > > > Ho! Ho! > > > > Graham > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 1 04:38:49 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:38:49 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B72@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <004601c220a8$719eeaf0$86232ac4@CopyTech> Tom: For you coming to the Nak Fest would be a really long trip, buddy. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... > I'm not fussed, either way for me. However I do like the Maxell's just that little bit better for the same reasons that Salim pointed out. Gra', does your ZX-9 really chew up the ultra thin tapes? I've tried similar tapes on my ZX-9 and no problemo. I guess your machine is more strict than mine - it's probably thinking "either feed me the good stuff or nothing at all!" > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 1:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... > Importance: High > > > At present, I don't have any Maxells in stock save for some C110 metals, > which I'd love to use but my ZX9 chews them! (My Pioneer is much more > forgiving of long tapes ...) If there are enough on the Tape 2 list who > feel they'd prefer Maxell I can order one but we'll delay the process a > while I receive it, unless we start the Tape 2 Marathon from a different > starting point. Otherwise, I have a large stock of SA and SA-X and can get > the ball rolling early this week. > > Cast your votes!!! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 30 June 2002 03:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > > Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs > instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to > have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way > off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform > quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since > nak uses tdk). > > Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > Guys > > I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on > this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that > leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some > late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) > STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 > minutes a piece. > > As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the > next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to > Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape > to John on Tuesday. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Mon Jul 1 04:31:12 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 22:31:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) References: <002801c2205d$ebdbe7a0$5e9b87d9@a4s1s2> <002b01c220a7$ffd01750$86232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00d801c220a7$5e53c250$1b6423c8@g8nsv> You guys are having fun with this idea...I am working on someone right now so it would be a great trip for the 2 of us. By the way thanks to all of you guys for the birthday greetings. Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > Sure, why not !!!!! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:45 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > > > Isy > > > > Maybe Carlos could fix up a dating agency for the trip!!! ;o) > > > > Gra' > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Isy Fidelman > > Sent: 30 June 2002 05:12 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto > > Rico) > > > > > > I applaude the idea!!!! > > Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this > > adventure :-) > > By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an > > open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. > > > > Isy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 10:33 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto > Rico) > > > > > > > Hey! If February, we could have it on my birthday - then there'd be NO > > > excuse for not giving be a Dragon as a pressie!!!! > > > > > > Ho! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jul 1 05:00:53 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:00:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B74@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I know. I wish I could participate but the costs involve to get me over there would send my wallet screaming :( I guess the next best thing would be to have some sort of web cam network from here to there so I can at least see you guys and the beautiful machines too! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Monday, 1 July 2002 12:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... Tom: For you coming to the Nak Fest would be a really long trip, buddy. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... > I'm not fussed, either way for me. However I do like the Maxell's just that little bit better for the same reasons that Salim pointed out. Gra', does your ZX-9 really chew up the ultra thin tapes? I've tried similar tapes on my ZX-9 and no problemo. I guess your machine is more strict than mine - it's probably thinking "either feed me the good stuff or nothing at all!" > > Tom Siomopoulos > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2002 1:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... > Importance: High > > > At present, I don't have any Maxells in stock save for some C110 metals, > which I'd love to use but my ZX9 chews them! (My Pioneer is much more > forgiving of long tapes ...) If there are enough on the Tape 2 list who > feel they'd prefer Maxell I can order one but we'll delay the process a > while I receive it, unless we start the Tape 2 Marathon from a different > starting point. Otherwise, I have a large stock of SA and SA-X and can get > the ball rolling early this week. > > Cast your votes!!! > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 30 June 2002 03:45 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > > Graham, if not a big hassle, would it be possible to use Maxell XLII or IIs > instead of the TDK chrome ? I found out one recently bought TDK SA-X to > have inconsistent 'quality' within sides. The bias alignment was also way > off Nak's zero detent. Maybe a bad sample, but Maxells has more uniform > quality and 'inline' with Nak standard bias setting (which is strange since > nak uses tdk). > > Any other opinion from M2 naksters ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 3:42 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE > > > Guys > > I attach the latest version of the Tape 2 list. There are now 11 of us on > this list, to squeeze onto a C90. With gaps between tracks I'd guess that > leaves perhaps 6-7 minutes each ... but there is still a possibility of some > late arrivals. (How about you, Fahad - you fancy getting into this, too?) > STOP PRESS! Message from Carlos - we stick to the original rules - 5 > minutes a piece. > > As before, as soon as you have recorded your piece forward the tape to the > next person on the list, complete your bit of the attached and send it to > Kenny (Mr Bleus) for updating the web site. I expect to be posting the tape > to John on Tuesday. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jul 1 05:10:16 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 13:10:16 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] BUON COMPLEANNO ! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B77@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Happy birthday Izy! Hronia polla! (Greek for many happy years - same thing as Happy birthday for Greeks). Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [mailto:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Monday, 1 July 2002 4:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] BUON COMPLEANNO ! BUON COMPLEANNO ! (Happy Birthday ... in Italian) 100 di questi giorni. Ezio >From: Isy Fidelman >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 11:11 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) > > >I applaude the idea!!!! >Maybe for that time I could find a femenine partner to join me in this >adventure :-) >By the way...today is my birthday so if anyone is in Venezuela, I have an >open house during the evening and every nakfriend is invited. > >Isy Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Looking forward to learning what your musical contribution will be, anything we'll recognize? Isle of Portland, along the English Channel? That's probably a bit of a drive for Graham to hand deliver the cassette, eh??? Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:36 +0100 From: John Walker Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) Hey Bleus, you've been doing some creative editting on your website: I am John *R* Walker, and I live on the Isle of Portland, not the Isle of Wight! I guess the 'E' came about because of my famous namesake, Johnnie Walker (no relation). John R Walker Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Jul 1 06:29:44 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:29:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2441 (Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods) Message-ID: Many thanks to my NakTalk friends who responded to the query on capstan stem cleaning. Seems like many of you have experienced the trials and tribulations of crusty capstan stems and cleaning chores. I'll be tackling the transport insides of my RX-202, RX-505 and ZX-7 during the 4th of July holiday weekend here in the USA. Ample time to procure the advanced use solutions if the trusty 91% isoprop alcohol falls short of complete success. I've been somewhat negligent maintaining my decks during the last six months. Maybe I've learned a good lesson here, that its best to get onto a regular schedule of doing the little cleaning chores before accumulation becomes a major kind of cleaning exercise. The RX-505 has the most observable accumulation of magnetic tape residue on the stems (alot of continuous autoreverse use over the winter months contributed to that blues condition), so we'll tackle that deck's stems very soon. A little solution, ample amounts of techy swabs, a little finesse (with patience and persistence), and the outcome of the efforts should be Nak transport components that are prim, proper and squeaky clean! After that, plans for a July/August session here with another Nak friend to determine alignment issues between the decks. My goal is to have all three of my Nak decks synchronized for as near to flawless compatibility as possible. Seems an achievable goal. What an exciting summer of cassette deck tweaking for me! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:14:57 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, June 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2441 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 00:33:55 -0600 >From: "Stephen Sank" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) > >I use MEK, methyl ethyl ketone, for all tape path cleaning needs. > >Stephen Sank > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 11:05 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) > > >> Greetings to my NakTalking friends! >> >> I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems >which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. >This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so >I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced >cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner >go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close >to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions >welcome, please contribute to the discussion! >> >> K.J. Bleus >> Madison, Wisc USA >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:03:03 -0500 >From: "Michael E DeWire" >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) > >K.J. > >I use either the Teac professional tape head cleaning fluid or the less >costly and more available Radio Shack professional tape head cleaner. Both >are mixtures of Isopropanol, Ethanol, and Methanol. I use a small section of >Twill Wipe folded so it can get to the small heads and on the capstan shafts >as well. I use Teac's rubber cleaner very sparingly every once and awhile on >the pinch rollers, and ensure they are wiped clean and that the solution >does not get to any metal parts or the heads. I have had great success with >this method for years. > >Best, > > >Michael > >- -----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The >BlueSwapper >Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2002 12:05 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com >Subject: [naktalk] Capstan Stem Cleaning Methods (Careful Now!!!) > >Greetings to my NakTalking friends! > >I'd like some feedback on the most effective way to clean capstan stems >which have accumulated magnetic tape residue and/or any other crustiness. >This stuff is really stubborn to remove with the usual iso prop alcohol, so >I'm wondering what the pros used, like acid solution, or some advanced >cleaning prep solution. Important question is, how far should a home owner >go with trying to clean-up intricate hardware components that reside close >to other very vulnerable components like tape heads. All suggestions >welcome, please contribute to the discussion! > >K.J. Bleus >Madison, Wisc USA > >- --- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2441 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 1 07:10:12 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:10:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] C110s In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B72@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000101c220bd$941f9240$c1a887d9@a4s1s2> Hi Tom Yes, my ZX9 has broken two C110s. In contrast, the Pioneer CTS830S runs happily even with C120s. At first I thought it was the C110s - a bad batch - that is, until I tried them on the Pioneer. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: 30 June 2002 11:21 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... I'm not fussed, either way for me. However I do like the Maxell's just that little bit better for the same reasons that Salim pointed out. Gra', does your ZX-9 really chew up the ultra thin tapes? I've tried similar tapes on my ZX-9 and no problemo. I guess your machine is more strict than mine - it's probably thinking "either feed me the good stuff or nothing at all!" Tom Siomopoulos --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 1 07:10:15 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:10:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) In-Reply-To: <00d801c220a7$5e53c250$1b6423c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <000201c220bd$95a93f80$c1a887d9@a4s1s2> Happy birthday, Isy - may you have many many more of them!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Isy Fidelman Sent: 01 July 2002 03:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2442 (NakFest in Puerto Rico) You guys are having fun with this idea...I am working on someone right now so it would be a great trip for the 2 of us. By the way thanks to all of you guys for the birthday greetings. Isy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Jul 1 20:13:22 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:13:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] J.R. Walker & M-Tape 2 References: Message-ID: <3D209BC2.3050701@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Yes, about 250 miles. My wife comes from Graham's part of the country, and makes the trek regularly. After travelling in the US a bit though, I realise that all distances in the UK are tiny. (The longest drive I ever did was from the south coast up to the Isle of Skye in northern Scotland - about 700 miles.) The BlueSwapper wrote: >Indeed, John, quite right! > >Since I didn't recollect your middle initial, I thought the the "E" would stand until we connected with an revision. And yes, I recollected that you lived on an Isle in the UK, so my quick stab was Isle of Wight. All is updated now, as you will see on the webpage. Looking forward to learning what your musical contribution will be, anything we'll recognize? > >Isle of Portland, along the English Channel? That's probably a bit of a drive for Graham to hand deliver the cassette, eh??? > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:36 +0100 >From: John Walker >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > >Hey Bleus, you've been doing some creative editting on your website: >I am John *R* Walker, and I live on the Isle of Portland, not the Isle >of Wight! I guess the 'E' came about because of my famous namesake, >Johnnie Walker (no relation). > >John R Walker > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 2 01:27:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:27:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 Message-ID: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> Received the tape just now and recorded my selection. I'd appreciate Bill Wheatley's address, so that I can mail it forward. For the record (no pun intended): Selection: "There'll be Some Changes Made". Duration: 3:44. Artists: Diahann Carroll with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. Source: "A tribute to Ethel Waters", Orinda Records, 1984 (or thereabout. The LP is not dated. I bought it in 1985.) Equipment: ReVox B791 TT, Shure V-15VMR cartridge, Creek OBH-8 Phono stage, feeding a Denon AVP-8000 prepro, feeding a Nakamichi CR-7a. Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jul 2 02:03:20 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:03:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 - improving the process ... In-Reply-To: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> Message-ID: Seems like the MT#1 is moving around pretty fast. Let's see if we can improve the process ... K.J., is the sequence on the web site pretty well defined by now? If so, can all of us, send our addresses to the person preceding us in the queue - at least those of us who know that they are about to be sent the tape shortly ... Just a thought ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Mon, July 01, 2002 6:27 PM To: NakTalk Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 Received the tape just now and recorded my selection. I'd appreciate Bill Wheatley's address, so that I can mail it forward. For the record (no pun intended): Selection: "There'll be Some Changes Made". Duration: 3:44. Artists: Diahann Carroll with the Duke Ellington Orchestra. Source: "A tribute to Ethel Waters", Orinda Records, 1984 (or thereabout. The LP is not dated. I bought it in 1985.) Equipment: ReVox B791 TT, Shure V-15VMR cartridge, Creek OBH-8 Phono stage, feeding a Denon AVP-8000 prepro, feeding a Nakamichi CR-7a. Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jul 2 02:11:44 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 19:11:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] J.R. Walker & M-Tape 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Considering distances there, it is probably a bike / pedal boat ride over LaManche for Graham ... [ooops]. Now seriously, Isle of Portland - seems like a beautiful place. Have ran across some beautiful pictures of it on the WEB. How is living there? I have been a few times to St. Albans in the UK, and love the small town atmosphere, the Abbey and the surrounding park, but this must be something totally awesome ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Sun, June 30, 2002 10:35 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] J.R. Walker & M-Tape 2 Indeed, John, quite right! Since I didn't recollect your middle initial, I thought the the "E" would stand until we connected with an revision. And yes, I recollected that you lived on an Isle in the UK, so my quick stab was Isle of Wight. All is updated now, as you will see on the webpage. Looking forward to learning what your musical contribution will be, anything we'll recognize? Isle of Portland, along the English Channel? That's probably a bit of a drive for Graham to hand deliver the cassette, eh??? Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:36 +0100 From: John Walker Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) Hey Bleus, you've been doing some creative editting on your website: I am John *R* Walker, and I live on the Isle of Portland, not the Isle of Wight! I guess the 'E' came about because of my famous namesake, Johnnie Walker (no relation). John R Walker Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Jul 2 04:50:28 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:50:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: RE: Naktalk Marathon Tape #1 (Wheatley's address) Message-ID: Ron Hoffman - Sorry, but your email bounced for me. So here's the message thru NakTalk.... Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:34:33 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc:"Bill Wheatley" , blueswapper at angelfire.com Here you go Ron, thanks for keeping the cassette moving onward!!! Bill Wheatley's mailing address is: Bill Wheatley 110 Newport Bridge Rd. Warwick, NY 10990 Please package the cassette with that extra bubble wrap to ensure a safe journey to New York..... Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 19:27:02 -0400 From: Ron Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 Received the tape just now and recorded my selection. I'd appreciate Bill Wheatley's address, so that I can mail it forward. --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 2 05:50:37 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:50:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> Fellows: I suggest that we stick to the original rules, otherwise, everyone will be doing what they want and we'll loose the uniformity. NO tones, No peaks over 5db, keep material under 5 minutes and no Dolby. Many decks can't take 10 db+ peaks without saturation and etc ... If anyone here are not sure about the original rules, take a look at Bleus page for memory recap. I don't want anyone feel bad about this, but the rules has an specific objective: UNIFORMITY. That way it would be much easier to make the final mastering transfer for later copies. And let me tell you that it's very difficult and time consuming to master a project recorded in many different decks. Much more if we don't play it by the rules ... I'll really appreciate your cooperation in this matter. PLEASE ! Best regards to all, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. > (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music > level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db > with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated > on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jul 2 08:48:05 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:48:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] SA or SA-X-my experiences Message-ID: Hi Graham, I have realized over the weekend that the chances of the whole world being wrong and me being right (about TDK SA) are not high. I don't have many great recordings on SA because I have usually been too ham-fisted to use it properly. Most reviewers and recordists have liked it over the years though. I personally find it's low coercivity and intolerance towards high recording levels make it a bit of a handful. I have also found that it's treble balance is a bit on the polite side for me and that on occasion, it's magnetic retentivity is below par, resulting in lacklustre playback at a later date. This is not something I experience with Maxell XL-II. My more recent experiences with it - it has the character of one of the nice pure CrO2 BASF tapes from the mid-eighties. One has to back off the level somewhat and take advantage of it's quietness to deliver the required dynamics. The SA-X formulation is a different kettle of fish altogether, with a far more assertive sound; as far as I recall the "super avylin" coating is applied to BOTH sides of the tape, which may account for the low print-through. That's a great tape, every bit the measure of an XL-IIS without the need to tame the high frequencies with a touch of bias. I would agree with Salim - the older SA-X is better than the current one, particulaly on durability. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 06/30/02 10:03AM >>> I am not too well versed in the precise differences. I understand the formula is slightly different and that SA-X gives better high frequencies without loss at any other part of the spectrum in comparison with SA. There is, I understand, certainly a measurable differences, but to my ear, it's a subtle one that's barely audible and I'm not sure it would pass the A-B-X test! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 07:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... In that case then let's get the M2 rolling with SA or SA-X. By the way, what is the difference between SA and SA-X ? Older TDKs that i use were of SA variant and they're quite good. Today i can only find SA-X, and like almost all modern stuff, quality goes down the drain. Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jul 2 08:54:03 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:54:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Poor old knobless Dragon In-Reply-To: <20020629063712.77177.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D1A1523.8ED410FF@warwick.net> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020702085331.00a135e0@box.tin.it> Scott , have you bought it ? It was cheap ... 350$ only ... Ezio At 11:37 PM 6/28/02 -0700, you wrote: >The seller of this deck is in Orange, CA. Not too far >away from me. Actually about an hours drive. > >I asked the seller if I could pick it up and save on >the shipping. He said, Yes and would be happy to not >have to pack the thing. > >If anyone is seriously interested in this deck let me >know (off Naktalk) and I'll consider staying out of >the bidding. > >SJ > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jul 2 14:17:35 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:17:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <002701c221c2$73771030$1d756acf@johnnyrotten> I agree. Keep it simple and stop trying to change the plan. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > Fellows: > > I suggest that we stick to the original rules, otherwise, everyone will be > doing what they want and we'll loose the uniformity. NO tones, No peaks over > 5db, keep material under 5 minutes and no Dolby. Many decks can't take 10 > db+ peaks without saturation and etc ... > > If anyone here are not sure about the original rules, take a look at Bleus > page for memory recap. > > I don't want anyone feel bad about this, but the rules has an specific > objective: UNIFORMITY. That way it would be much easier to make the final > mastering transfer for later copies. And let me tell you that it's very > difficult and time consuming to master a project recorded in many different > decks. Much more if we don't play it by the rules ... > > I'll really appreciate your cooperation in this matter. PLEASE ! > > Best regards to all, > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:27 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. > > (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music > > level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db > > with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated > > on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 2 16:12:12 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:12:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> El Magnifico wrote: > > Fellows: > > I suggest that we stick to the original rules, otherwise, everyone will be > doing what they want and we'll loose the uniformity. Now I'm a little confused... I thought we *were* sticking to the rules. > NO tones. The two preceding selections had reference tones recorded, each preceded by a verbal announcement. When I first heard the tone, I remembered that, indeed, a suggestion was made (and, I thought, adopted) to include these tones; so, I followed suit. And, since level differences are unavoidable, this blip of a tone (1 Sec worth) may actually be useful. It should be possible to remove, since it is preceded and followed by a few seconds of silence. > No peaks over 5db Again, I remembered we agreed on +4 db average level, with peaks at around +7 db. (This makes sense to me, since we also agreed on 'no Dolby'). Also, the preceding selections seemed to be at these levels -- at least, on my CR-7 meters. As to > +10db occasional peaks -- hey, this is music. Once you select average level, peaks fall where they please. > keep material under 5 minutes and no Dolby. Many decks can't take 10 > db+ peaks without saturation and etc ... > > If anyone here are not sure about the original rules, take a look at Bleus > page for memory recap. > > I don't want anyone feel bad about this, but the rules has an specific > objective: UNIFORMITY. That way it would be much easier to make the final > mastering transfer for later copies. And let me tell you that it's very > difficult and time consuming to master a project recorded in many different > decks. Much more if we don't play it by the rules ... As far as I am concerned, nothing is lost. I still have the tape, albeit packaged and ready to go. I can still re-record, sans the reference tone and at the 0db average level I usually use. But, if I do that, uniformity with previous recordings will be lost. So, if you prefer I open the package and re-record, please let me know, pronto. It is easy to do and will only take 3:44 minutes... Best regards, -- Ron > I'll really appreciate your cooperation in this matter. PLEASE ! > > Best regards to all, > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:27 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. > > (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music > > level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db > > with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated > > on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Tue Jul 2 18:06:55 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:06:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 Message-ID: <3D21CF9F.419434CE@warwick.net> Hi All, I'm next on the list for the Marathon 1 tape and I have a question about 'source' material. Although it's not mentioned in the rules on the 'statis site', are we trying to stick to analog sources for what we're putting on the tape, or are selections from a CD ok too? My original selection of 'undetermined' from a great and obscure 60s band- Jeremy and the Satyrs- had to be scrapped, because I sent the LP to a buddy of mine so that he could make a CD from it (forgot he still had it when I emailed KJ my selection). So I am now 'undetermined' by 'undetermined'. Sorry, KJ, I'll email you with the particulars of my selection once I've put it on the tape. I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie 'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify you when I put the tape in the mail. Bill ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Jul 2 19:03:06 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:03:06 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 - Bill !! Message-ID: Bill wrote: "I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie 'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify you when I put the tape in the mail. Bill" Bill, Those "rare Dylan out-takes sound too tempting for words..pleeeeese!! Or ex-soundboard recordings from live shows would be fantastic. Either way...... Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 2 19:34:48 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:34:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] SA or SA-X-my experiences In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000801c221ee$c35a4000$0b9587d9@a4s1s2> Hi Marc That's very interesting. I imagine there may also be differences depending on which factory made the tapes - for example, I have heard that the European TDK SAs are not as good as those available in Asia, what with varaible QC systems, I suppose. However, I have no evidence of this being the case. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 02 July 2002 07:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SA or SA-X-my experiences Hi Graham, I have realized over the weekend that the chances of the whole world being wrong and me being right (about TDK SA) are not high. I don't have many great recordings on SA because I have usually been too ham-fisted to use it properly. Most reviewers and recordists have liked it over the years though. I personally find it's low coercivity and intolerance towards high recording levels make it a bit of a handful. I have also found that it's treble balance is a bit on the polite side for me and that on occasion, it's magnetic retentivity is below par, resulting in lacklustre playback at a later date. This is not something I experience with Maxell XL-II. My more recent experiences with it - it has the character of one of the nice pure CrO2 BASF tapes from the mid-eighties. One has to back off the level somewhat and take advantage of it's quietness to deliver the required dynamics. The SA-X formulation is a different kettle of fish altogether, with a far more assertive sound; as far as I recall the "super avylin" coating is applied to BOTH sides of the tape, which may account for the low print-through. That's a great tape, every bit the measure of an XL-IIS without the need to tame the high frequencies with a touch of bias. I would agree with Salim - the older SA-X is better than the current one, particulaly on durability. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 06/30/02 10:03AM >>> I am not too well versed in the precise differences. I understand the formula is slightly different and that SA-X gives better high frequencies without loss at any other part of the spectrum in comparison with SA. There is, I understand, certainly a measurable differences, but to my ear, it's a subtle one that's barely audible and I'm not sure it would pass the A-B-X test! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 07:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... In that case then let's get the M2 rolling with SA or SA-X. By the way, what is the difference between SA and SA-X ? Older TDKs that i use were of SA variant and they're quite good. Today i can only find SA-X, and like almost all modern stuff, quality goes down the drain. Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 2 21:11:46 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:11:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> Ron: Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? What verbal announcements are you referring to ? Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't intentional and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the begining of a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't blank ? Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional +5 db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. Thanks for your efforts ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > Fellows: > > > > I suggest that we stick to the original rules, otherwise, everyone will be > > doing what they want and we'll loose the uniformity. > > Now I'm a little confused... I thought we *were* sticking > to the rules. > > > NO tones. > > The two preceding selections had reference tones recorded, > each preceded by a verbal announcement. When I first heard > the tone, I remembered that, indeed, a suggestion was made > (and, I thought, adopted) to include these tones; so, I > followed suit. > > And, since level differences are unavoidable, this blip of > a tone (1 Sec worth) may actually be useful. It should be > possible to remove, since it is preceded and followed by a > few seconds of silence. > > > No peaks over 5db > > Again, I remembered we agreed on +4 db average level, with > peaks at around +7 db. (This makes sense to me, since we > also agreed on 'no Dolby'). Also, the preceding selections > seemed to be at these levels -- at least, on my CR-7 meters. > As to > +10db occasional peaks -- hey, this is music. Once > you select average level, peaks fall where they please. > > > keep material under 5 minutes and no Dolby. Many decks can't take 10 > > db+ peaks without saturation and etc ... > > > > If anyone here are not sure about the original rules, take a look at Bleus > > page for memory recap. > > > > I don't want anyone feel bad about this, but the rules has an specific > > objective: UNIFORMITY. That way it would be much easier to make the final > > mastering transfer for later copies. And let me tell you that it's very > > difficult and time consuming to master a project recorded in many different > > decks. Much more if we don't play it by the rules ... > > As far as I am concerned, nothing is lost. I still have > the tape, albeit packaged and ready to go. I can still > re-record, sans the reference tone and at the 0db average > level I usually use. But, if I do that, uniformity with > previous recordings will be lost. > > So, if you prefer I open the package and re-record, > please let me know, pronto. It is easy to do and will > only take 3:44 minutes... > > Best regards, > > -- Ron > > > > I'll really appreciate your cooperation in this matter. PLEASE ! > > > > Best regards to all, > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:27 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. > > > (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music > > > level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db > > > with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated > > > on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 2 20:11:41 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 14:11:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 References: <3D21CF9F.419434CE@warwick.net> Message-ID: <3D21ECDD.48810F71@rcn.com> I think that analog sources were a by product of the people doing the dub and by no means mandated. It so happened that the piece I selected was only available to me on LP. IOW, if your source is a CD, DAT, RTR tape or whatever, that should be fine. I did devote some serious thought to the choice of the piece itself. One could focus on one of the three: best sound quality, best musical value, or greatest performance. As to the first, I rejected it outright. Maybe because, personally, I have always been disappointed in audiophile Recordings, where I was supremely impressed by the sound of something I had no interest in listening to in the first place. So, while I wouldn't have chosen something that was outright bad, sonically, I did not make this an important factor. Choice by music was likely rejected, simply because it is so subject to subjective personal taste. For example, I would have much preferred classical music, or Opera or even a musical play, but it was obvious to me that these would not be particularly appreciated. Rock (hard, soft or in between) was out of the question for me, which left me with Jazz. This left the performance itself as the focal point. It made sense to me, because sometimes, the performance makes the music, rather than the other way around. And, if we want to make this tape special in a significant way, then unique performances can do it. -- Ron Bill Wheatley wrote: > > Hi All, > I'm next on the list for the Marathon 1 tape and I have a question > about 'source' material. Although it's not mentioned in the rules on > the 'statis site', are we trying to stick to analog sources for what > we're putting on the tape, or are selections from a CD ok too? > My original selection of 'undetermined' from a great and obscure > 60s band- Jeremy and the Satyrs- had to be scrapped, because I sent the > LP to a buddy of mine so that he could make a CD from it (forgot he > still had it when I emailed KJ my selection). So I am now > 'undetermined' by 'undetermined'. Sorry, KJ, I'll email you with the > particulars of my selection once I've put it on the tape. > I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording > sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound > pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for > my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan > fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie > 'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece > by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. > Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify > you when I put the tape in the mail. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Try to erase your own machine record tones before recording your selection. 7- Avoid keeping the tape longer than 3 days. 8- Keep Mr. Bleus informed about the Marathon Tape progress. 9- The source can be Analog or Digital. No problem. 10- STICK TO THE RULES THE BEST YOU CAN AND KEEP IT SIMPLE I suggest that everyone here have the program to be recorded selected before the tape arrives to your hands. So, what I'm gonna do when the tape arrives? 1- Check for any visible damage in the tape 2- Listen to the already recorded selections in the MT. 3- Record your selection. 4- Rewind the tape to the start again. 5- Mail the tape ASAP to the next fellow. 6- Enjoy it ! That's all, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 > Hi All, > I'm next on the list for the Marathon 1 tape and I have a question > about 'source' material. Although it's not mentioned in the rules on > the 'statis site', are we trying to stick to analog sources for what > we're putting on the tape, or are selections from a CD ok too? > My original selection of 'undetermined' from a great and obscure > 60s band- Jeremy and the Satyrs- had to be scrapped, because I sent the > LP to a buddy of mine so that he could make a CD from it (forgot he > still had it when I emailed KJ my selection). So I am now > 'undetermined' by 'undetermined'. Sorry, KJ, I'll email you with the > particulars of my selection once I've put it on the tape. > I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording > sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound > pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for > my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan > fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie > 'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece > by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. > Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify > you when I put the tape in the mail. > Bill > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 2 21:24:42 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:24:42 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 References: <3D21CF9F.419434CE@warwick.net> Message-ID: <003d01c221fe$21264080$9b232ac4@CopyTech> Dear Bill: In any case you noticed any old material in that tape, please make us all the favor to erase it from the end of the selection you just recorded and on. I'm almost sure it was a new one, but since I have a box of 500 of these custom loaded tapes with the same custom printed on it, anything could happens. Just put the deck in record mode with the inputs at -0- and she'll do the rest. Thanks in advance, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:06 AM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 > Hi All, > I'm next on the list for the Marathon 1 tape and I have a question > about 'source' material. Although it's not mentioned in the rules on > the 'statis site', are we trying to stick to analog sources for what > we're putting on the tape, or are selections from a CD ok too? > My original selection of 'undetermined' from a great and obscure > 60s band- Jeremy and the Satyrs- had to be scrapped, because I sent the > LP to a buddy of mine so that he could make a CD from it (forgot he > still had it when I emailed KJ my selection). So I am now > 'undetermined' by 'undetermined'. Sorry, KJ, I'll email you with the > particulars of my selection once I've put it on the tape. > I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording > sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound > pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for > my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan > fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie > 'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece > by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. > Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify > you when I put the tape in the mail. > Bill > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 2 21:28:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:28:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #2 status - July 2, 02 In-Reply-To: <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000401c221fe$b2b03f60$c99e87d9@a4s1s2> We have lift-off, Houston! The cassette was launched today (a little later than I had planned) with my recording on it (as per the earlier attachment, Kenny) and it's now on its way to John W as we speak ... As you receive the tape, please let me and Mr Bleus know so we can chart its progress. Thanks guys! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Bill El Magnifico wrote: > > Dear Bill: > > In any case you noticed any old material in that tape, please make us all > the favor to erase it from the end of the selection you just recorded and > on. I'm almost sure it was a new one, but since I have a box of 500 of these > custom loaded tapes with the same custom printed on it, anything could > happens. > > Just put the deck in record mode with the inputs at -0- and she'll do the > rest. > > Thanks in advance, > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Wheatley" > To: "Naktalk" > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 11:06 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 > > > Hi All, > > I'm next on the list for the Marathon 1 tape and I have a question > > about 'source' material. Although it's not mentioned in the rules on > > the 'statis site', are we trying to stick to analog sources for what > > we're putting on the tape, or are selections from a CD ok too? > > My original selection of 'undetermined' from a great and obscure > > 60s band- Jeremy and the Satyrs- had to be scrapped, because I sent the > > LP to a buddy of mine so that he could make a CD from it (forgot he > > still had it when I emailed KJ my selection). So I am now > > 'undetermined' by 'undetermined'. Sorry, KJ, I'll email you with the > > particulars of my selection once I've put it on the tape. > > I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording > > sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound > > pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for > > my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan > > fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie > > 'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece > > by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. > > Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify > > you when I put the tape in the mail. > > Bill > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 2 22:57:36 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:57:36 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Marathon 1 References: <004201c221fa$349f2220$67756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001d01c2220b$1c197410$ae232ac4@CopyTech> Fellows: Oh! now I know what happened.: It's simply because that was a live recording never published before ! An outboard recording. A bootleg recording. From Bleus, of course ... ! Oooof ! I'm relaxed now. Anyway fellows, let's keep it by the rules from this time on and avoid an anarchy of recording. ! Again no rules for material selected. It has to be a reflection of your preferences. This is not an audiophile tape. We are forgetting about the main idea that has nothing to do with technicalties: unite us all as a whole as a last tribute to the cassette media. That's what I pretended and now I'm afraid its happening a little bit different of what I expected. So, forget about purism, exotic selection and recordings. Just free yourselves and record whatever you want to, except RAP. This is for us alone in this group. Not a commercial release ! Clear everyone ? Regards, Carlos -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 2 23:03:37 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:03:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #2 status - July 2, 02 References: <000401c221fe$b2b03f60$c99e87d9@a4s1s2> Message-ID: <000901c2220b$f2a37b20$ae232ac4@CopyTech> Congratulations, Mr. Gra ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #2 status - July 2, 02 > We have lift-off, Houston! The cassette was launched today (a little later > than I had planned) with my recording on it (as per the earlier attachment, > Kenny) and it's now on its way to John W as we speak ... > > As you receive the tape, please let me and Mr Bleus know so we can chart its > progress. Thanks guys! > > Gra' > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Jul 2 23:45:20 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> El Magnifico wrote: > > Ron: > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? Yes. > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't intentional > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the begining of > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't blank > ? Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional +5 > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. -- Ron > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > Fellows: > > > > > > I suggest that we stick to the original rules, otherwise, everyone will > be > > > doing what they want and we'll loose the uniformity. > > > > Now I'm a little confused... I thought we *were* sticking > > to the rules. > > > > > NO tones. > > > > The two preceding selections had reference tones recorded, > > each preceded by a verbal announcement. When I first heard > > the tone, I remembered that, indeed, a suggestion was made > > (and, I thought, adopted) to include these tones; so, I > > followed suit. > > > > And, since level differences are unavoidable, this blip of > > a tone (1 Sec worth) may actually be useful. It should be > > possible to remove, since it is preceded and followed by a > > few seconds of silence. > > > > > No peaks over 5db > > > > Again, I remembered we agreed on +4 db average level, with > > peaks at around +7 db. (This makes sense to me, since we > > also agreed on 'no Dolby'). Also, the preceding selections > > seemed to be at these levels -- at least, on my CR-7 meters. > > As to > +10db occasional peaks -- hey, this is music. Once > > you select average level, peaks fall where they please. > > > > > keep material under 5 minutes and no Dolby. Many decks can't take 10 > > > db+ peaks without saturation and etc ... > > > > > > If anyone here are not sure about the original rules, take a look at > Bleus > > > page for memory recap. > > > > > > I don't want anyone feel bad about this, but the rules has an specific > > > objective: UNIFORMITY. That way it would be much easier to make the > final > > > mastering transfer for later copies. And let me tell you that it's very > > > difficult and time consuming to master a project recorded in many > different > > > decks. Much more if we don't play it by the rules ... > > > > As far as I am concerned, nothing is lost. I still have > > the tape, albeit packaged and ready to go. I can still > > re-record, sans the reference tone and at the 0db average > > level I usually use. But, if I do that, uniformity with > > previous recordings will be lost. > > > > So, if you prefer I open the package and re-record, > > please let me know, pronto. It is easy to do and will > > only take 3:44 minutes... > > > > Best regards, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > I'll really appreciate your cooperation in this matter. PLEASE ! > > > > > > Best regards to all, > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ron" > > > To: "NakTalk" > > > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 6:27 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > > > > Selection preceded by a 1 Sec 1KHz square wave at 0db. > > > > (Sorry about the lack of verbal announcement.) Music > > > > level adjusted to average +3db. Most peaks up to +7db > > > > with a few going off scale (over +10db). Deck calibrated > > > > on this specific cassette. No Dolby, of course. > > > > > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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However, I have no evidence of this being the case. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: 02 July 2002 07:48 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] SA or SA-X-my experiences Hi Graham, I have realized over the weekend that the chances of the whole world being wrong and me being right (about TDK SA) are not high. I don't have many great recordings on SA because I have usually been too ham-fisted to use it properly. Most reviewers and recordists have liked it over the years though. I personally find it's low coercivity and intolerance towards high recording levels make it a bit of a handful. I have also found that it's treble balance is a bit on the polite side for me and that on occasion, it's magnetic retentivity is below par, resulting in lacklustre playback at a later date. This is not something I experience with Maxell XL-II. My more recent experiences with it - it has the character of one of the nice pure CrO2 BASF tapes from the mid-eighties. One has to back off the level somewhat and take advantage of it's quietness to deliver the required dynamics. The SA-X formulation is a different kettle of fish altogether, with a far more assertive sound; as far as I recall the "super avylin" coating is applied to BOTH sides of the tape, which may account for the low print-through. That's a great tape, every bit the measure of an XL-IIS without the need to tame the high frequencies with a touch of bias. I would agree with Salim - the older SA-X is better than the current one, particulaly on durability. Cheers, Marc >>> graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk 06/30/02 10:03AM >>> I am not too well versed in the precise differences. I understand the formula is slightly different and that SA-X gives better high frequencies without loss at any other part of the spectrum in comparison with SA. There is, I understand, certainly a measurable differences, but to my ear, it's a subtle one that's barely audible and I'm not sure it would pass the A-B-X test! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Salim Marzuki Sent: 30 June 2002 07:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 2 - UPDATE - Choice of tape ... In that case then let's get the M2 rolling with SA or SA-X. By the way, what is the difference between SA and SA-X ? Older TDKs that i use were of SA variant and they're quite good. Today i can only find SA-X, and like almost all modern stuff, quality goes down the drain. Cheers, Salim SM --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Wed Jul 3 02:06:48 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 02:06:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Auto tuning ??? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703020354.00a13a20@box.tin.it> Dears, the 700ZXE seems to differ from 700ZXL for the lack of a.b.l.e. auto tuning , but having anyhow auto-tuning at a different level (less automatic ????). Someone is capable to explain which is the difference ? and how to use the auto-tuning capabilities of the 700ZXE ? Should I use the same operating instructions available for the 700ZXL ? Thanks indeed. Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jul 3 04:08:22 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > Sure Ron, I understand ... Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just before the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the selection in order to make the proper adjustments. If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy and fun too ! The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the loudest passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too hot for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the pianissimo passages too low. Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. And on, and on ... Hope this helps to everyone here. I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable results. Best, Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jul 3 03:40:09 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:40:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 Message-ID: Ron, Carlos, et al..... Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. Have fun my friends..... K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2452 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 El Magnifico wrote: > > Ron: > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? Yes. > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't intentional > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the begining of > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't blank > ? Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional +5 > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. - -- Ron > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > Carlos > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 From: "El Magnifico" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > Sure Ron, I understand ... Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just before the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the selection in order to make the proper adjustments. If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy and fun too ! The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the loudest passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too hot for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the pianissimo passages too low. Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. And on, and on ... Hope this helps to everyone here. I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable results. Best, Carlos ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2452 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Jul 3 10:17:19 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:17:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] J.R. Walker & M-Tape 2 References: Message-ID: <3D22B30F.5050901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Stan Thank you for your interest. Beautiful is probably the wrong word, because the Island has been very heavily quarried - it provided virtually all of the stone for the great buildings of London, starting with St. Paul's cathedral. It has also been the home of two Naval bases (a dockyard and a helicopter station), plus two Ministry of Defence research establishments. All of this closed in the 1990s. The two prisons (one a ship) and young offenders' institute remain... The up-side is that the local economy is regenerating now, and house prices have nearly tripled in the last five years. There are some spectacular views, especially from the cliff-tops. It is now the centrepiece of the World Heritage Jurassic Coast, and attracts a lot of climbers, ramblers, divers, windsurfers and birdwatchers. The Royal Yacht Association is building a training centre of excellence, using many of the old Royal Navy facilities, and the dockyard is home to both French and British telecom cable repair ships. . One of the greatest pieces of excitement happened in 1995, when one of the stone companies started to dig up the old Portland United Football Club pitch, and found a 500 pound German WWII bomb that had missed the dockyard, and had buried itself under the penalty spot at one end of the football field. About 10000 residents were evaculated for the weekend while it was made safe by the Army bomb disposal squad. Stan Targowski wrote: >Considering distances there, it is probably a bike / pedal boat ride over >LaManche for Graham ... [ooops]. > >Now seriously, Isle of Portland - seems like a beautiful place. Have ran >across some beautiful pictures of it on the WEB. How is living there? I have >been a few times to St. Albans in the UK, and love the small town >atmosphere, the Abbey and the surrounding park, but this must be something >totally awesome ... > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >The BlueSwapper >Sent: Sun, June 30, 2002 10:35 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] J.R. Walker & M-Tape 2 > > >Indeed, John, quite right! > >Since I didn't recollect your middle initial, I thought the the "E" would >stand until we connected with an revision. And yes, I recollected that you >lived on an Isle in the UK, so my quick stab was Isle of Wight. All is >updated now, as you will see on the webpage. Looking forward to learning >what your musical contribution will be, anything we'll recognize? > >Isle of Portland, along the English Channel? That's probably a bit of a >drive for Graham to hand deliver the cassette, eh??? > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:49:36 +0100 >From: John Walker >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tapes (Status 2) > >Hey Bleus, you've been doing some creative editting on your website: >I am John *R* Walker, and I live on the Isle of Portland, not the Isle >of Wight! I guess the 'E' came about because of my famous namesake, >Johnnie Walker (no relation). > >John R Walker > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jul 3 16:30:45 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 References: Message-ID: <000a01c2229e$3e401740$942e2ac4@CopyTech> Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > Ron, Carlos, et al..... > > Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > > Have fun my friends..... > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2452 > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > Ron: > > > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? > > Yes. > > > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? > > A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to > that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > > > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't intentional > > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the begining of > > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't blank > > ? > > Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. > I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > > > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional +5 > > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the > > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. > > It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. > > - -- Ron > > > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > > > Carlos > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 > From: "El Magnifico" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > Sure Ron, I understand ... > > Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to > avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: > > The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to > identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just before > the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the selection > in order to make the proper adjustments. > > If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" > practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar > finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is > start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy and > fun too ! > > The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the loudest > passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too hot > for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the > pianissimo passages too low. > > Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard > to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. > > And on, and on ... > > Hope this helps to everyone here. > > I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable results. > > Best, > > Carlos > > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > ****************************** > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 3 16:25:09 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:25:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > Sure Ron, I understand ... > > Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to > avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: > > The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to > identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just before > the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the selection > in order to make the proper adjustments. Of course... I have have been recording for many, many years and this is nothing new. Especially when you are dealing, as I usually do, with classical music and/or Opera from CDs, where the material dynamic range easily exceeds 40db. > If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" > practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar > finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is > start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy and > fun too ! Well, this is *not* what I do. May be easy and fun, but High Fidelity, it certainly ain't. > The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the loudest > passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too hot > for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the > pianissimo passages too low. This is what I usually do, with results that have been highly satisfying *to me*. As to noise in the lower level passages -- this is what Dolby B is for (I avoid C, because at times it's too much of a good thing. Besides, I want uniformity across my to cassette collection). My deck is always set at Dolby B. > Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard > to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. Not difficult, but *impossible* to master to perfection. A compressed recording is *never* perfect, by any stretch of the imagination. As a matter of fact, I specifically avoid even recording heavily compressed material. To me, the result is anything but enjoyable. for this reason, I have always avoided decks with 'automatic recording level adjustment'; this even includes my boom box and VCRs. > And on, and on ... In this case, none of this is available to us, since we agreed to avoid Dolby (presumably, because Dolby reference level of too many decks is misadjusted) and average +4db (presumably, to alleviate noise in low level passages). I was thrilled with neither, but, I guess, both make sense when dealing with a single cassette recorded on as many as 18 completely difference machines. I don't know what kind of music will be selected by others, but the first three selections all tend to be of the high level, limited dynamic range sort. These lend themselves better to The Rules. In the case of my (#4) selection, the dynamic range is somewhat wider, resulting in occasional clipping on decks that can't take +10db peaks. I monitored off the tape, then listened to it again after recording and, on my equipment and to my ears, it was quite acceptable. Anyways, others -- yourself included -- will be the judge of that, after listening to it. Regards, -- Ron > > Hope this helps to everyone here. > > I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable results. > > Best, > > Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Jul 3 18:20:27 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:20:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 References: <000a01c2229e$3e401740$942e2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D23244B.B501BC19@earthlink.net> Yeah, the same engineer who worked on the Beatle's Abbey Road and Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon? Damn, you need to make sure he's at NakFest too!! Jim Volpatti El Magnifico wrote: > Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > Ron, Carlos, et al..... > > > > Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where > placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions > among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio > test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is > from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. > Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for > duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of > you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider > using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > > > > Have fun my friends..... > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > > > > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number > 2452 > > > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? > > > > Yes. > > > > > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? > > > > A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to > > that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > > > > > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > > > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't > intentional > > > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the > begining of > > > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't > blank > > > ? > > > > Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. > > I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > > > > > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional > +5 > > > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the > > > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > > > > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. > > > > It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 > > From: "El Magnifico" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > > > Sure Ron, I understand ... > > > > Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to > > avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: > > > > The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to > > identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just > before > > the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the > selection > > in order to make the proper adjustments. > > > > If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" > > practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar > > finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is > > start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy > and > > fun too ! > > > > The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the > loudest > > passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too > hot > > for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the > > pianissimo passages too low. > > > > Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard > > to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. > > > > And on, and on ... > > > > Hope this helps to everyone here. > > > > I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable > results. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > ****************************** > > > > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 3 19:52:58 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:52:58 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Auto tuning ??? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703020354.00a13a20@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <003901c222ba$7be28760$123442cf@sank1> The ZXE simply uses 400Hz & 15kHz tones for auto-bias/level, and uses fixed eq. The result is no less superb sounding than the ZXL, in my opinion, and is often better, due to a greatly reduced "length" of signal path, as well as a nicer pb amp than at least the 700ZXL. This is why I consider the ZXE the best platform of all for upgrade modifications. Using the ZXE is identical to the 700ZXL, except that you don't have to enter the setting into memory, but rather the deck remembers the last cal settings of each tape type used. It is actually an easier deck to use, by far, than either ZXL model. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ezio" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Auto tuning ??? > Dears, the 700ZXE seems to differ from 700ZXL for the lack of a.b.l.e. auto > tuning , but having anyhow auto-tuning at a different level (less automatic > ????). > Someone is capable to explain which is the difference ? and how to use the > auto-tuning capabilities of the 700ZXE ? > Should I use the same operating instructions available for the 700ZXL ? > > Thanks indeed. > > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 4 00:09:10 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 23:09:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon Tape 1 References: <3D21CF9F.419434CE@warwick.net> Message-ID: <3D237606.1040203@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Bill, for what it's worth, I would choose the piece of music that you think everyone else will enjoy the most - and I for one don't care about the source. All of your choices sound good - Tell you what - why don't you just put 'em all on a cassette, and send 'em to me. I will then do something similar for you! Bill Wheatley wrote: >Hi All, > I'm next on the list for the Marathon 1 tape and I have a question >about 'source' material. Although it's not mentioned in the rules on >the 'statis site', are we trying to stick to analog sources for what >we're putting on the tape, or are selections from a CD ok too? > My original selection of 'undetermined' from a great and obscure >60s band- Jeremy and the Satyrs- had to be scrapped, because I sent the >LP to a buddy of mine so that he could make a CD from it (forgot he >still had it when I emailed KJ my selection). So I am now >'undetermined' by 'undetermined'. Sorry, KJ, I'll email you with the >particulars of my selection once I've put it on the tape. > I have some rare studio out takes from some Dylan recording >sessions on tape and also some live Dylan concert tapes that sound >pretty darn good (soundboard copies), and I could use one of these for >my selection- going Nak to Nak- but don't know how many of you are Dylan >fans. My other 2 'ideas' were either a great old jazz tune by Frankie >'half-pint' Jaxon (originally on 78), or a great flamenco guitar piece >by Manitas de Plata, but both of those I only have on CD. > Also: Rob, I received your email with your address, and will notify >you when I put the tape in the mail. > Bill >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Thu Jul 4 02:43:45 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 02:43:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Auto tuning ??? In-Reply-To: <003901c222ba$7be28760$123442cf@sank1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020703020354.00a13a20@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020704023212.00a1f2c0@box.tin.it> OHHHHH !!!!!!! Great ! In facts ... it is sounding magnificent ! ... but I am still ignorant by far ... it seems like the 700ZXE likes better normal tapes and chrome tapes ... I don't understand why but a metal MA TDK is giving odds results with a channel 5 or 6 db lower than the other .... I don't want to say anything because I am aware of my ignorance and lack of understanding ... I have owned a LX - 5 ... and I feel like this unit is by far more complex and needs some studies and experiences . Do you think the level is somehow logarithmic ? (when recording) it seems like growing slowly till level 3 ... 4 ... and then immediately jumping when passing the level 4 to reach saturation of the tape ... Thanks Stan for the nice to hear words you have said ... I have recently bought the unit on eBay from a Naka friend in Holland and I am trying to achieve a decent level of experience. The other unit I have bought , a 700ZXL , looks to me as needing a full refurbishment , but I need even MORE studies to understand it ... it behaves in a mysterious way (for my poor experience and understandings ....) Thanks Ezio At 11:52 AM 7/3/02 -0600, you wrote: >The ZXE simply uses 400Hz & 15kHz tones for auto-bias/level, and uses fixed >eq. The result is no less superb sounding than the ZXL, in my opinion, and >is often better, due to a greatly reduced "length" of signal path, as well >as a nicer pb amp than at least the 700ZXL. This is why I consider the ZXE >the best platform of all for upgrade modifications. Using the ZXE is >identical to the 700ZXL, except that you don't have to enter the setting >into memory, but rather the deck remembers the last cal settings of each >tape type used. It is actually an easier deck to use, by far, than either >ZXL model. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ezio" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 6:06 PM >Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE Auto tuning ??? > > > > Dears, the 700ZXE seems to differ from 700ZXL for the lack of a.b.l.e. >auto > > tuning , but having anyhow auto-tuning at a different level (less >automatic > > ????). > > Someone is capable to explain which is the difference ? and how to use the > > auto-tuning capabilities of the 700ZXE ? > > Should I use the same operating instructions available for the 700ZXL ? > > > > Thanks indeed. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jul 4 04:22:28 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:22:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 References: <000a01c2229e$3e401740$942e2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D23B160.866F8DA5@snet.net> That would be one of the more minor accomplishments of a person who is nothing less than a legend in this industry! Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > Ron, Carlos, et al..... > > > > Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where > placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions > among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio > test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is > from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. > Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for > duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of > you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider > using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > > > > Have fun my friends..... > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > > > > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number > 2452 > > > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 > > From: Ron > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? > > > > Yes. > > > > > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? > > > > A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to > > that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > > > > > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > > > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't > intentional > > > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the > begining of > > > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't > blank > > > ? > > > > Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. > > I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > > > > > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional > +5 > > > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the > > > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > > > > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. > > > > It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 > > From: "El Magnifico" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > > > Sure Ron, I understand ... > > > > Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to > > avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: > > > > The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to > > identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just > before > > the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the > selection > > in order to make the proper adjustments. > > > > If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" > > practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar > > finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is > > start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy > and > > fun too ! > > > > The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the > loudest > > passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too > hot > > for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the > > pianissimo passages too low. > > > > Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard > > to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. > > > > And on, and on ... > > > > Hope this helps to everyone here. > > > > I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable > results. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > ****************************** > > > > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Jul 4 07:08:20 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:08:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Nak ZX9 Info Brochure Message-ID: Greetings..... I'm on an extended weekend now, and I finally found some leisure time to prep and display the 1983 Nakamichi ZX9 cassette deck marketing brochure on the Nak CyberSpot. For all you ZX9 collectors, and actually ZX7 collectors (since the ZX9 brochure depicts much of what is nearly identical between the ZX9 and ZX7), this is the brochure that offers an inside glimpse into the key components of these intriguing pieces of audio gear. Believe me, its an eye-opening tour of what Nakamichi cassette decks are all about. Great written description, close-up graphics, and complete performance specifications. Now accessible at this webpage URL address: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx9.html Good news, sometime soon, I will have an original copy of the Nak Dragon marketing brochure. With website disc space being available, I will post that brochure on the Nak CyberSpot later during July. So, how many ZX7 and ZX9 collectors do we have as members of the NakTalk egroup? I'm curious, as a matter of fact. I see from the Marathon Tape project info that we have Graham, Kent, Harshard, myself, possibly others. Whom else with a ZX deck will be doing some recording for the M-Tapes project? Comments about the performance of your ZX7 or ZX9 are welcome. Have a great weekend!!! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 4 09:01:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:01:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] FW: Selling Message-ID: <002601c22328$9c6c4340$839087d9@a4s1s2> Guys Fahad wants to sell his ZX9: "All the necessary parts for my ZX9 will be replaced soon, by which I have planned to sell my ZX9. I have changed a new idler reel, idler motor, reel take up, reel collector and all the belts have been replaced with new ones. I'm offering $900 for my deck. It's still in a very mint condition. ... ....The best offer came from UPS, they also offer free empty box with protective materials to protect the deck from any damage. When I bought it, it came all the way from Canada in good hands and in a very safe way. Please, let me know if there is any naktalk member or any body seriously intrested. .... I can send you some pics ..." Anyone interested contact him direct. Gra' Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 20/06/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Jul 4 15:04:02 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 08:04:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001801c2235b$498b0980$9b232ac4@CopyTech> > Of course... I have have been recording for many, many years > and this is nothing new. Especially when you are dealing, as > I usually do, with classical music and/or Opera from CDs, > where the material dynamic range easily exceeds 40db. > Ron; This is called "RIDING". Have you been recording professionally? I'm interested to know about the projects you have been involved. I'm always looking to learn from other experienced pro' recording engineers that like me has been living from this media all our lives ... Almost 99% of the recordings, no matter what music is, are done this way. By the way, Classical Music is where is it used the most due to the excessive dynamic range it usually has. I understand when you say "it is not High Fidelity" but, almost all of the records you listen to are done using this very old technique. It is not a technique, it's common sense and if it is properly done by a professional engineer, nobody will noticed . Telarc master it very smoothly. Bishop do an excellent job. Compression is very helpful and an excellent tool for those who master the procedure. Like EQ's, if they are properly used, it would save the engineer a lot of trouble. Almost all radio stations used it, including Classical air play. In this music style is not always a solution since you want to keep natural dynamics. Unfortunately, the digital era has come with it demons too and compression has been very abused lately. I have mastered over 5,000 projects during my career: from cutting discs to the latest 5.1 and many times all the customer wants, especially those who brake the billboard everyday, is volume. I remember 5 years ago, a big customer from New York ask me to master one of his many projects. I send him a reference copy and after hearing it he called me back and said: "Sounds beautiful but I want more level, the most you can without distortion" " I tried to explain him that in order to do that we have to squeezed almost every bit to death. He replied: "I don't care and if you can't do it I'll find someone that could ". Well, end of story. Each Mastering cost around $2,000. I can't afford to loose a customer like that,so, I did it the way he wanted. Results: My first Grammy. Home recording is far away from pro recording and you'll be surprised how many projects are recorded using un-orthodox techniques, but who cares if at the end everyone involved is happy with the results. And if you sell a Platinum disc, well, you know the rest. Ron, I appreciated your thoughts since this is the only way I know to improves ourselves in our daily lives: exchanging ideas. Just what Ron and me are doing now guys ! Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 4 16:53:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:53:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> <001801c2235b$498b0980$9b232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D24617A.28A47D5D@rcn.com> El Magnifico wrote: > > > Of course... I have have been recording for many, many years > > and this is nothing new. Especially when you are dealing, as > > I usually do, with classical music and/or Opera from CDs, > > where the material dynamic range easily exceeds 40db. > > > Ron; > > This is called "RIDING". Have you been recording professionally? I'm > interested to know about the projects you have been involved. I'm always > looking to learn from other experienced pro' recording engineers that like > me has been living from this media all our lives ... LOL... No Carlos, I have not been recording professionally. 95% of my recording was in stealing mode (I heard something I liked, I recorded it) -- strictly for my personal enjoyment. I couldn't care less whether anyone else listens to my recordings; let alone, enjoys them. Just to clarify another point: while I am an Engineer, I am by no means a 'pro recording engineer', but, rather, a design Engineer (BSEE and MSCS). So, rather than be at the 'using it' end, I am at the 'design and build it' end. And, yes, I did design a cassette recorder -- far more sophisticated than anything Nakamichi has ever dreamed of building, but for industrial purposes, rather than music reproduction. Still, 'riding' is nothing new, even to rank recording amateurs such as myself. The same goes for the other techniques that you mentioned. > Almost 99% of the recordings, no matter what music is, are done this way. By > the way, Classical Music is where is it used the most due to the excessive > dynamic range it usually has. I understand when you say "it is not High > Fidelity" but, almost all of the records you listen to are done using this > very old technique. It is clear that when you are working with media that is limited to a dynamic range of, say, 60db (such as an audio cassette), while the source material encompasses a 90db range (such as a symphony orchestra), you must do *something* to shoehorn the source onto the media. CD's greatest advantage is it's dynamic range capability, that almost meets what a full symphony orchestra can throw at it. And, yes, taping a classical CD is the greatest challenge facing the amateur recordist armed with little more than a single cassette deck. > It is not a technique, it's common sense and if it is > properly done by a professional engineer, nobody will noticed . Telarc > master it very smoothly. Bishop do an excellent job. 'Riding' is a 'technique', where compression is done manually. Linear compression is another technique, where most of the work is done automatically by the electronics. Auto level control is a third technique. Each of these uses a different algorithm with subtly (and sometimes, not so subtly) different sonic results. > Compression is very helpful and an excellent tool for those who master the > procedure. Like EQ's, if they are properly used, it would save the engineer > a lot of trouble. Almost all radio stations used it, including Classical air > play. In this music style is not always a solution since you want to keep > natural dynamics. Unfortunately, the digital era has come with it demons too > and compression has been very abused lately. I have mastered over 5,000 > projects during my career: from cutting discs to the latest 5.1 and many > times all the customer wants, especially those who brake the billboard > everyday, is volume. I remember 5 years ago, a big customer from New York > ask me to master one of his many projects. I send him a reference copy and > after hearing it he called me back and said: "Sounds beautiful but I want > more level, the most you can without distortion" " I tried to explain him > that in order to do that we have to squeezed almost every bit to death. He > replied: "I don't care and if you can't do it I'll find someone that could > ". Well, end of story. Each Mastering cost around $2,000. I can't afford to > loose a customer like that,so, I did it the way he wanted. Results: My first > Grammy. > > Home recording is far away from pro recording... Exactly! This is a key point of this whole discussion. For a commercial recording, you have to satisfy not only your customer, but also every customer of your customer -- regardless of their personal taste and what equipment they use to play your recording. Me (and, presumably, most other NakTalkers) are only obligated to please ourselves, on our well known decks/amps/speakers, with our well defined taste. So, while you are free to deride the amateur recordist, do appreciate that what he does is quite different than what you do. His purpose is different, his tools are different, his techniques are different -- no wonder his results may be different as well. While you deal with dynamic range issues using any of the techniques you outlined to serve *your* purposes, *I* am free to do so in a way that will serve mine. 99% of the time, I do not record live, but copy an existing recording. My first purpose is to retain as much of the fidelity as possible. I avoid compression of any kind (I do not even own a compressor or a recorder with automatic level control). I rode the level only when absolutely forced to (maybe a handful of times in several hundred recordings). Instead, I use Dolby B noise reduction (buys me a few extra db of range) and adjust recording level based on peaks, not on average. What I do is monitor off the tape while also watching the meters. I choose the highest level that does not saturate or audibly distort or pin the meters. I then rewind and run the whole recording, occasionally flipping between off-tape and source monitoring. I then listen to the recording and, if so inclined, may even repeat it with a slightly different setting. In the case of our Marathon Tape, this was not what I did. I played the LP and chose a setting that gave me +3db to +4db a v e r a g e level. I let the peaks fall where they did, just making sure that the tape did not saturate (on *my* CR-7, to *my* ears). All this, with Dolby off. This was NOT the kind of recording I usually make. I had this LP on tape for a long time and listened to it in the car many, many times. There is no question in my mind that my usual recording ritual results in better sound than the recording dictated by the Marathon Tape Rules. > and you'll be surprised how > many projects are recorded using un-orthodox techniques, but who cares if at > the end everyone involved is happy with the results. And if you sell a > Platinum disc, well, you know the rest. > > Ron, I appreciated your thoughts since this is the only way I know to > improves ourselves in our daily lives: exchanging ideas. Just what Ron and > me are doing now guys ! I appreciate this, Carlos. Thanks for taking the time to correspond about this. Have a nice day, -- Ron > > Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jul 4 16:52:28 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 10:52:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 References: <000a01c2229e$3e401740$942e2ac4@CopyTech> <3D23B160.866F8DA5@snet.net> Message-ID: <002c01c2236a$6db095f0$11756acf@johnrotten> Carlos, Wouldn't it be fun to watch him work for a week! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > That would be one of the more minor accomplishments of a person who is nothing less > than a legend in this industry! > > Ed > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "The BlueSwapper" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > > Ron, Carlos, et al..... > > > > > > Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where > > placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions > > among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio > > test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is > > from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. > > Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for > > duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of > > you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider > > using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > > > > > > Have fun my friends..... > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > > > --- > > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > > > > > > > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number > > 2452 > > > > > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 > > > From: Ron > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? > > > > > > A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to > > > that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > > > > > > > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > > > > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't > > intentional > > > > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the > > begining of > > > > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape wasn't > > blank > > > > ? > > > > > > Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. > > > I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > > > > > > > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with ocassional > > +5 > > > > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. > > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > > > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to the > > > > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > > > > > > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one waiting. > > > > > > It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. > > > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 > > > From: "El Magnifico" > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > > > > > > Sure Ron, I understand ... > > > > > > Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules to > > > avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: > > > > > > The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order to > > > identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just > > before > > > the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the > > selection > > > in order to make the proper adjustments. > > > > > > If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of Sanchez" > > > practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and guitar > > > finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do is > > > start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's easy > > and > > > fun too ! > > > > > > The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the > > loudest > > > passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely too > > hot > > > for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the > > > pianissimo passages too low. > > > > > > Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but hard > > > to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. > > > > > > And on, and on ... > > > > > > Hope this helps to everyone here. > > > > > > I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable > > results. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > ****************************** > > > > > > > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Jul 4 20:54:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:54:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> <001801c2235b$498b0980$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D24617A.28A47D5D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c2238c$3b3b2280$af312ac4@CopyTech> > 'Riding' is a 'technique', where compression is done > manually. Ummm, no, for us compression is a very different animal but that's ok Ron. I'll leave it there. While you deal with dynamic range > issues using any of the techniques you outlined to serve > *your* purposes, *I* am free to do so in a way that will > serve mine. NO problem Ron. I'm not trying to impose anything here. As you say, you are free to do what ever you want and if it serve your purposes, then, cheers ! There is no question in my mind that > my usual recording ritual results in better sound than the > recording dictated by the Marathon Tape Rules. We'll see ... Unfortunately, when you have 40 different people around the world, with different decks, trying to record from different sources, we were in a need for some guidelines. That doesn't means are the *only* ones or *incorrect* ones. Just guidelines to maintain UNIFORMITY. It is, by no means any kind of whimp dictatorship or something like that. Imagine everyone here doing a kind of anarchy recording all by themselves. We'll be having un-even results at the end. > > I appreciate this, Carlos. Thanks for taking the time to > correspond about this. Have a nice day, Happy 4th of July, Ron. By the way, I'm interested to know about your design projects dealing with recording. Sounds interesting enough for me. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Jul 4 20:55:11 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 13:55:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 References: <000a01c2229e$3e401740$942e2ac4@CopyTech> <3D23B160.866F8DA5@snet.net> <002c01c2236a$6db095f0$11756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001501c2238c$5bfe9600$af312ac4@CopyTech> Just a talking session with Mr. Parsons would be enough for me, John ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > Carlos, > > Wouldn't it be fun to watch him work for a week! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > That would be one of the more minor accomplishments of a person who is > nothing less > > than a legend in this industry! > > > > Ed > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your > cousin ? > > > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "The BlueSwapper" > > > To: > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > > > > Ron, Carlos, et al..... > > > > > > > > Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track > where > > > placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions > > > among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check > audio > > > test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose > is > > > from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. > > > Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette > for > > > duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and > most of > > > you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to > consider > > > using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > > > > > > > > Have fun my friends..... > > > > > > > > K.J. Bleus > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > > > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > > > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > > > > > > > > > > > naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number > > > 2452 > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:45:20 -0400 > > > > From: Ron > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ron: > > > > > > > > > > Are you sure we are speaking about the same tape ? > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > What verbal announcements are you referring to ? > > > > > > > > A voice stating: '1KHz reference tone' or something to > > > > that effect, followed by a 1 second tone. > > > > > > > > > Perhaps a blip of tone could be there due to the > > > > > autoalingment tones of mine's Dragon and Bleus', but that wasn't > > > intentional > > > > > and it is very possible because nobody aligns the machine at the > > > begining of > > > > > a tape. Could the announcement you mention is because the tape > wasn't > > > blank > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > Well, I thought it preceded Bleus' and John's selections. > > > > I am not sure about yours. Sounded very intentional, too... > > > > > > > > > Concerning the levels it says: " +4 db constant levels with > ocassional > > > +5 > > > > > db". I suggest that you all check Bleus list with the rules in it. > > > > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > > > > > No problem anyway, Ron, as long as the other fellow members stick to > the > > > > > rules and make it simple enough to finish this scenario by August. > > > > > > > > > > I other words, keep moving and send the tape to the next one > waiting. > > > > > > > > It will go to Bill Wheatley first thing tomorrow morning. > > > > > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for your efforts ! > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:08:22 -0500 > > > > From: "El Magnifico" > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon Tape #1 status - July 1, 02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hate to appear thick, but I understood 'constant > > > > > levels' to mean 'average level', which is where the > > > > > indication is most of the time. Music being what it is, > > > > > this adjustment can easily result in peaks of +10db. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure Ron, I understand ... > > > > > > > > Specially with a very Dynamic Material, but there are 3 simple rules > to > > > > avoid that. Rec. Engineers have to use it everyday: > > > > > > > > The first one is "planning ahead": they read the partitures in order > to > > > > identify the highest peaks to be recorded and adjust the faders just > > > before > > > > the peaks occurs. In home recording you have to know by heart the > > > selection > > > > in order to make the proper adjustments. > > > > > > > > If by any chance you have the Chuck Mangione album "Children of > Sanchez" > > > > practice it with the theme selection #1. Just after the vocal and > guitar > > > > finish the intro, heavy drums start beating like hell. So, what I do > is > > > > start lowering the levels very gentle before the drums begin. It's > easy > > > and > > > > fun too ! > > > > > > > > The other simple one is adjusting the record level according to the > > > loudest > > > > passage. That way it will never goes over 10+ db that is absolutely > too > > > hot > > > > for cassette tape. Unfortunately, using this technique will leave the > > > > pianissimo passages too low. > > > > > > > > Another one involves compression. An easy to understand technique but > hard > > > > to master at perfection, plus it is too "equipment" dependent. > > > > > > > > And on, and on ... > > > > > > > > Hope this helps to everyone here. > > > > > > > > I've been using all combined for the last 25 years with predictable > > > results. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > ****************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jul 4 21:25:31 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 15:25:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp References: <000d01c2238c$3b3b2280$af312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <012e01c22390$9015b640$11756acf@johnrotten> Misha I bought replacement speaker drivers from Harmon the other month, would they perhaps have a wiring harness for that 17 that I could send on to you. Can I look up their email address for you? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp > Hi guys, > > I got an unassembled HK Cit 17 pre-amp. All the boards, switches and > pots are here. Only one problem - there is NO WIRES inside. > So please advice - is it worth to bringit back to life or I should use it > as a goot case for building new pre-amp? > And another question - any one has schematic for it? Maybe evem block-diagram? > > Thanks! > > Misha > -- > ______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 4 22:06:53 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 16:06:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> <001801c2235b$498b0980$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D24617A.28A47D5D@rcn.com> <000d01c2238c$3b3b2280$af312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D24AADD.19B657F4@rcn.com> El Magnifico wrote: > > > 'Riding' is a 'technique', where compression is done > > manually. > > Ummm, no, for us compression is a very different animal but that's ok Ron. > I'll leave it there. OK. Just to get the nomenclature right: compression is any scheme by which dynamic range of the output is smaller than that of the input. This is common to all forms of compression, regardless of algorithm used. What is commonly called 'compression' (more correctly, 'linear compression'), simply reduces gain as a function of input level (the higher the input level, the lower the gain). What you call 'riding', reduces gain close to peak levels, but leaves gain at mid and lower levels alone. Since this is done manually, it can better fit human psychoacoustic perception, provide it's done skillfully. IME, best results are obtained when level adjustments are slow and slightly precede the moment they are actually called for. Automatic level control is automatic, and comes into play when the input level nears saturation. At that point, the gain is reduced in an amount to prevent saturation. Gain is then allowed to very slowly increase, until saturation is near again. All these schemes represent level response distortion. > While you deal with dynamic range > > issues using any of the techniques you outlined to serve > > *your* purposes, *I* am free to do so in a way that will > > serve mine. > > NO problem Ron. I'm not trying to impose anything here. As you say, you are > free to do what ever you want and if it serve your purposes, then, cheers ! > > There is no question in my mind that > > my usual recording ritual results in better sound than the > > recording dictated by the Marathon Tape Rules. > > We'll see ... Unfortunately, when you have 40 different people around the > world, with different decks, trying to record from different sources, we > were in a need for some guidelines. That doesn't means are the *only* ones > or *incorrect* ones. Just guidelines to maintain UNIFORMITY. It is, by no > means any kind of whimp dictatorship or something like that. Imagine > everyone here doing a kind of anarchy recording all by themselves. We'll be > having un-even results at the end. I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. I also realized that the tape would be played on various decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. > > I appreciate this, Carlos. Thanks for taking the time to > > correspond about this. Have a nice day, > > Happy 4th of July, Ron. By the way, I'm interested to know about your design > projects dealing with recording. Sounds interesting enough for me. That particular project was a Holter System. It involved continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal was medical data. I was in charge of the 'Scanner', which is the play back device part of the project. I also personally designed the cassette playback section. The transport was made by Raymond Engineering and we modified it to play the tape at x1 (real time speed), x60 (each hour played back in 1 minute) and x240 (a whole day played back in 6 minutes), with speed accuracies of a fraction of 1% and vanishing wow and flutter. A cassette could be FF or REW, lock to lock, in less than 60 seconds, with extreme babying of the tape -- recorded cassettes were all but irreplaceable. In order to achieve the abrupt speed and direction changes, we had to machine parts of the mechanism, to reduce mass of moving parts. The mechanism was totally solenoid actuated and computer controlled. This was a small part of the project. The data off the tape was digitized and put on a vector screen (roughly, a quarter of a million data points at a time). No distortion was acceptable. Even though the unit was not patient connected, it met all hospital grade equipment requirements. Several computers were on board, to control all functions and analyze the data on the fly. Cost of the unit was roughly $75,000 in today's dollars. While all this had nothing to do with music reproduction, it was still a very interesting project. -- Ron > > Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Jul 5 00:22:00 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 15:22:00 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 Message-ID: Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you off of the NakTalk mailing group list. You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his act! http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject though, my apologies for rambling on and on. By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2453 > > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 >From: "El Magnifico" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > >Carlos > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > >> Ron, Carlos, et al..... >> >> Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where >placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions >among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio >test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is >from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. >Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for >duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of >you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider >using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. >> >> Have fun my friends..... >> >> K.J. Bleus >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >> >> --------- Forwarded Message --------- >> >> DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 >> From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) >> To: naktalk-digest at naks.com >> > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2453 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jul 5 02:01:40 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 02:01:40 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp References: <012e01c22390$9015b640$11756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: >Misha > >I bought replacement speaker drivers from Harmon the other month, would they >perhaps have a wiring harness for that 17 that I could send on to you. Can I >look up their email address for you? > >John Hi John! Many thanks! Misha -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jul 5 01:59:12 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:59:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> <001801c2235b$498b0980$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D24617A.28A47D5D@rcn.com> <000d01c2238c$3b3b2280$af312ac4@CopyTech> <3D24AADD.19B657F4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001e01c223b6$ee824510$132f2ac4@CopyTech> > I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. > I also realized that the tape would be played on various > decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by > commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. Thanks for your understanding ... it's the only way we have to avoid confusion. > That particular project was a Holter System. It involved > continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was > achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one > direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal > was medical data. Yes, those monitoring the heart looking for M V P, Pauses, AV Tachychardia and so on. I'm very familiar with it. What a surprise; you were one of the inventors. I'm honored, Ron. I was always thrilled how the cardiologist obtain the results so fast. Now I know. Impressive. You see, everyone here is an specialist in what they do. My college degrees has nothing to do with audio but even after presenting my thesis and obtained my license, I decided to make a living out of a hobby. So, this is a wonderful list where we have a lot of professionals from many different areas, like Mr. Bleus: a former carthographer and on and on. That's why when anyone here make a contribution I "listen" carefully in order to learn instead of jumping like the solely expert. What is good for me or you is not necessary the only way or the correct ones. That's why I'm very careful with my other fellows in this list and only suggest instead of sounding like I have all the clues. Again, I'm happy to know about your medical contributions. I think we got enough techniques for one day. It's better if we change channels and go back to Nak Talk again. Thanks ! Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Fri Jul 5 12:25:22 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 06:25:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck 1 Message-ID: <3D257412.8A96C5@warwick.net> Hi All, I just bought a Nak Cassette Deck 1 on eBay for $199.00. I bought it to use mostly as a playback deck, because it has the manual azimuth playback adjustment, and I'm working on a project of digitizing many, many cassette recordings, where the original cassette masters were made on a variety of early cassette machines (1969-1975), and I want to get the best signal/noise out of each cassette as I put it into the computer (Sound Forge, with a Lynx One sound card) to do further noise reduction, etc. I figured for that price, what the heck. The seller says the deck is in perfect working order, but, of course, Caveat Emptor (or something like that- you gets what ya pay for). Does anyone have any experience with this deck? It has a 'gear drive'. Is this an asset or a liability? Also, I may want to send the deck out for a good cleaning and 'tune up'. Any idea of what this may run, cost wise, 'ballpark figure' (assuming that it doesn't need any repairs, etc.)? Any suggestions of who to send it to in the NY area? I've also been keeping an eye out for DR-1 and CR-7. The DR-1 also has a manual azimuth adjustment, and the CR-7, which I realize is the best of these 3 decks, has an automatic azimuth adjustment. Anyone have any experience with this? Can I trust that the automatic adjustment will give me as good results as the manual adjustment? I would spring the extra bucks for a CR-7, but adjusting the playback azimuth is my prime consideration, until I hit the Lottery and can get a Dragon. Thanks, Bill ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 5 15:40:06 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:40:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck 1 References: <3D257412.8A96C5@warwick.net> Message-ID: <3D25A1B6.C75F9C88@rcn.com> Not a thorough response to your questions, just a few comments: Bill Wheatley wrote: > > Hi All, > I just bought a Nak Cassette Deck 1 on eBay for $199.00. I bought > it to use mostly as a playback deck, because it has the manual azimuth > playback adjustment, and I'm working on a project of digitizing many, > many cassette recordings, where the original cassette masters were made > on a variety of early cassette machines (1969-1975), and I want to get > the best signal/noise out of each cassette as I put it into the computer > (Sound Forge, with a Lynx One sound card) to do further noise reduction, > etc. Azimuth misadjustment will not cause appreciable degradation of S/N ratio. It will, however, cause loss of higher frequencies. > I figured for that price, what the heck. The seller says the deck > is in perfect working order, but, of course, Caveat Emptor (or something > like that- you gets what ya pay for). > Does anyone have any experience with this deck? It has a 'gear > drive'. Is this an asset or a liability? It's an asset. Should last the life of the deck, unless something horrible happens to it. > Also, I may want to send the deck out for a good cleaning and 'tune > up'. Any idea of what this may run, cost wise, 'ballpark figure' > (assuming that it doesn't need any repairs, etc.)? Any suggestions of > who to send it to in the NY area? Personally, I would spring for the additional shipping cost and send it to Stephen. He has done both my CR-7 and VCR -- both, to perfection. From what I read here, this perfection is his norm. > I've also been keeping an eye out for DR-1 and CR-7. The DR-1 also > has a manual azimuth adjustment, and the CR-7, which I realize is the > best of these 3 decks, has an automatic azimuth adjustment. Only for recording. Azimuth adjustment for PB is manual, to be done by ear. IME, it takes a recording rich in high frequencies to make this adjustment, and even then, it is not precise -- but your hearing may be better than mine. > any experience with this? Can I trust that the automatic adjustment > will give me as good results as the manual adjustment? I would spring > the extra bucks for a CR-7, but adjusting the playback azimuth is my > prime consideration, until I hit the Lottery and can get a Dragon. Bear in mind that, on the CR-7, the automatic azimuth adjustment depends on correct setting of the record head azimuth (thus, having the deck calibrated correctly is a must). Also, the PB adjustment is not smooth, but moves the PB head in small increments. These considerations aside, the CR-7 is, in my opinion, an awesome deck. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jul 5 16:37:33 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:37:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: <3D20E546.F85E5D8F@rcn.com> <001d01c2217b$a5ea87a0$8f232ac4@CopyTech> <3D21B4BC.9CF1D5A4@rcn.com> <002f01c221fc$52ea57c0$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D221EF0.C069A2CC@rcn.com> <000401c22236$a334a570$83312ac4@CopyTech> <3D230945.3146125E@rcn.com> <001801c2235b$498b0980$9b232ac4@CopyTech> <3D24617A.28A47D5D@rcn.com> <000d01c2238c$3b3b2280$af312ac4@CopyTech> <3D24AADD.19B657F4@rcn.com> <001e01c223b6$ee824510$132f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000d01c22431$805bea20$69756acf@johnrotten> Okay, what is a carthographer? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 > > > I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. > > I also realized that the tape would be played on various > > decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by > > commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. > > Thanks for your understanding ... it's the only way we have to avoid > confusion. > > > That particular project was a Holter System. It involved > > continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was > > achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one > > direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal > > was medical data. > > Yes, those monitoring the heart looking for M V P, Pauses, AV Tachychardia > and so on. I'm very familiar with it. What a surprise; you were one of the > inventors. I'm honored, Ron. I was always thrilled how the cardiologist > obtain the results so fast. Now I know. Impressive. > > You see, everyone here is an specialist in what they do. My college degrees > has nothing to do with audio but even after presenting my thesis and > obtained my license, I decided to make a living out of a hobby. So, this is > a wonderful list where we have a lot of professionals from many different > areas, like Mr. Bleus: a former carthographer and on and on. That's why when > anyone here make a contribution I "listen" carefully in order to learn > instead of jumping like the solely expert. What is good for me or you is not > necessary the only way or the correct ones. That's why I'm very careful with > my other fellows in this list and only suggest instead of sounding like I > have all the clues. > > Again, I'm happy to know about your medical contributions. I think we got > enough techniques for one day. It's better if we change channels and go back > to Nak Talk again. Thanks ! > > Carlos > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Fri Jul 5 17:05:12 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:05:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 Message-ID: In very simple words - someone who draws maps. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John M. Tooley" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:37:33 -0400 Okay, what is a carthographer? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 > > > I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. > > I also realized that the tape would be played on various > > decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by > > commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. > > Thanks for your understanding ... it's the only way we have to avoid > confusion. > > > That particular project was a Holter System. It involved > > continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was > > achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one > > direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal > > was medical data. > > Yes, those monitoring the heart looking for M V P, Pauses, AV Tachychardia > and so on. I'm very familiar with it. What a surprise; you were one of the > inventors. I'm honored, Ron. I was always thrilled how the cardiologist > obtain the results so fast. Now I know. Impressive. > > You see, everyone here is an specialist in what they do. My college degrees > has nothing to do with audio but even after presenting my thesis and > obtained my license, I decided to make a living out of a hobby. So, this is > a wonderful list where we have a lot of professionals from many different > areas, like Mr. Bleus: a former carthographer and on and on. That's why when > anyone here make a contribution I "listen" carefully in order to learn > instead of jumping like the solely expert. What is good for me or you is not > necessary the only way or the correct ones. That's why I'm very careful with > my other fellows in this list and only suggest instead of sounding like I > have all the clues. > > Again, I'm happy to know about your medical contributions. I think we got > enough techniques for one day. It's better if we change channels and go back > to Nak Talk again. Thanks ! > > Carlos > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jul 5 17:10:53 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:10:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 References: Message-ID: <008501c22436$28b7c000$69756acf@johnrotten> Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! > > I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you off of the NakTalk mailing group list. > > You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his act! > > http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ > > Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject though, my apologies for rambling on and on. > > By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2453 > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 > >From: "El Magnifico" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > >Carlos > > > >- ----- Original Message ----- > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > >To: > >Cc: > >Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM > >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > > >> Ron, Carlos, et al..... > >> > >> Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track where > >placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions > >among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio > >test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose is > >from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. > >Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for > >duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most of > >you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to consider > >using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > >> > >> Have fun my friends..... > >> > >> K.J. Bleus > >> > >> --- > >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > >> > >> > >> > >> --------- Forwarded Message --------- > >> > >> DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > >> From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > >> To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > >> > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Jul 5 17:23:10 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:23:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 Message-ID: John, I think it is cartographer, which is a map or chart maker, possibly leaning toward celestial (stars in outer space, not spaced-out stars) charts. Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 07/05/02 09:37AM >>> Okay, what is a carthographer? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 > > > I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. > > I also realized that the tape would be played on various > > decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by > > commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. > > Thanks for your understanding ... it's the only way we have to avoid > confusion. > > > That particular project was a Holter System. It involved > > continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was > > achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one > > direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal > > was medical data. > > Yes, those monitoring the heart looking for M V P, Pauses, AV Tachychardia > and so on. I'm very familiar with it. What a surprise; you were one of the > inventors. I'm honored, Ron. I was always thrilled how the cardiologist > obtain the results so fast. Now I know. Impressive. > > You see, everyone here is an specialist in what they do. My college degrees > has nothing to do with audio but even after presenting my thesis and > obtained my license, I decided to make a living out of a hobby. So, this is > a wonderful list where we have a lot of professionals from many different > areas, like Mr. Bleus: a former carthographer and on and on. That's why when > anyone here make a contribution I "listen" carefully in order to learn > instead of jumping like the solely expert. What is good for me or you is not > necessary the only way or the correct ones. That's why I'm very careful with > my other fellows in this list and only suggest instead of sounding like I > have all the clues. > > Again, I'm happy to know about your medical contributions. I think we got > enough techniques for one day. It's better if we change channels and go back > to Nak Talk again. 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Tooley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:19:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp References: <012e01c22390$9015b640$11756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <009701c22437$66487120$69756acf@johnrotten> Misha, HCGPARTS at harman.com If they have anything you need and I could help you then please let me know. Years ago I had a Citation 11 and 12 pre. & power amp. Both solid pieces of equipment. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp > >Misha > > > >I bought replacement speaker drivers from Harmon the other month, would they > >perhaps have a wiring harness for that 17 that I could send on to you. Can I > >look up their email address for you? > > > >John > > Hi John! > > Many thanks! > > Misha > -- > ______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jul 5 17:58:38 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:58:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 References: Message-ID: <00c301c2243c$d420c3f0$69756acf@johnrotten> I thought so too! Funny as my grandfather was a very famous cartographer, Ronald Tooley (London) wrote a few reference books (Maps and Mapmakers, My Head is a Map, being two) and even edited his own magazine on the subject. John (Tooley) ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 John, I think it is cartographer, which is a map or chart maker, possibly leaning toward celestial (stars in outer space, not spaced-out stars) charts. Kent >>> jmtooley at ce.net 07/05/02 09:37AM >>> Okay, what is a carthographer? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 > > > I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. > > I also realized that the tape would be played on various > > decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by > > commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. > > Thanks for your understanding ... it's the only way we have to avoid > confusion. > > > That particular project was a Holter System. It involved > > continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was > > achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one > > direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal > > was medical data. > > Yes, those monitoring the heart looking for M V P, Pauses, AV Tachychardia > and so on. I'm very familiar with it. What a surprise; you were one of the > inventors. I'm honored, Ron. I was always thrilled how the cardiologist > obtain the results so fast. Now I know. Impressive. > > You see, everyone here is an specialist in what they do. My college degrees > has nothing to do with audio but even after presenting my thesis and > obtained my license, I decided to make a living out of a hobby. So, this is > a wonderful list where we have a lot of professionals from many different > areas, like Mr. Bleus: a former carthographer and on and on. That's why when > anyone here make a contribution I "listen" carefully in order to learn > instead of jumping like the solely expert. What is good for me or you is not > necessary the only way or the correct ones. That's why I'm very careful with > my other fellows in this list and only suggest instead of sounding like I > have all the clues. > > Again, I'm happy to know about your medical contributions. I think we got > enough techniques for one day. It's better if we change channels and go back > to Nak Talk again. Thanks ! > > Carlos > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Fri Jul 5 18:39:16 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 12:39:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp In-Reply-To: <009701c22437$66487120$69756acf@johnrotten> References: <012e01c22390$9015b640$11756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020705123804.01534540@mail.verizon.net> At 7/5/02, you wrote: >Misha, > >HCGPARTS at harman.com > >If they have anything you need and I could help you then please let me know. >Years ago I had a Citation 11 and 12 pre. & power amp. Both solid pieces of >equipment. > >John ============================== Not to mention the legendary Citation II, among the very finest tube amplifiers ever built - some from kits! ________________ Marc Stager ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Jul 5 19:08:15 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:08:15 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2458 (Cartographers & Sound Checks) Message-ID: That's cartographer, someone who portrays mapping sciences information in graphic displays or publications. In the old days, when I was a young lad of 25 years during the mid 1970s, most cartography was still handcrafted using traditional methods of ink, caligraphy, and analogue photographic technologies. By 1985, the digital age of computer information systems began influencing the field of cartography. Nowdays, geographic information systems dominate the field of cartography, powerful desktop workstation computers manipulate and display complex scientific analysis and mapping information to support scientists, decisionmakers, and other professional concerns. As I've aged, my eyes have also become less able to deal with the detail-oriented demands of being an astute cartographer, so as many in the field with expertise and experience, I'm now a director of an operation that provides geographic information systems and mapping services to a major state government agency in Wisconsin. I manage twenty information specialists and cartographers that provide state-wide expertise to the Department of Natural Resources, based in Madison, Wisconsin. On to a more relevant NakTalk topic..... Thank you very much for the commentary on recording techniques, Carlos & Ron. Intriguing, yet slightly beyond my ability to understand the details. I agree with Carlos on one thing, let's get back to NakTalking! Catch a glimpse of the Alan Parsons & Stephen Court MFSL Sound Check UltraDisc on this ebay.com auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=889577939 I've been using this particular sound check disc for about five years now, with quite good results. Definately a useful array of audio sound checks, especially when doing recording transfers from digital disc to cassette. I recommend the virtues of this disc to all of my NakTaking friends. With best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 16:53:24 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2459 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 10:37:33 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 Okay, what is a carthographer? John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Recording Techniques 101 > > > I agree, which is why I had no problem following the rules. > > I also realized that the tape would be played on various > > decks and recordings should follow the rules imposed by > > commercial recordings vs. those used by the hobbyist. > > Thanks for your understanding ... it's the only way we have to avoid > confusion. > > > That particular project was a Holter System. It involved > > continuously recording a cassette for 24 hours. This was > > achieved by running a C120 cassette at 0.08 ISP, in one > > direction (we recorded 3 channels). The recorded signal > > was medical data. > > Yes, those monitoring the heart looking for M V P, Pauses, AV Tachychardia > and so on. I'm very familiar with it. What a surprise; you were one of the > inventors. I'm honored, Ron. I was always thrilled how the cardiologist > obtain the results so fast. Now I know. Impressive. > > You see, everyone here is an specialist in what they do. My college degrees > has nothing to do with audio but even after presenting my thesis and > obtained my license, I decided to make a living out of a hobby. So, this is > a wonderful list where we have a lot of professionals from many different > areas, like Mr. Bleus: a former carthographer and on and on. That's why when > anyone here make a contribution I "listen" carefully in order to learn > instead of jumping like the solely expert. What is good for me or you is not > necessary the only way or the correct ones. That's why I'm very careful with > my other fellows in this list and only suggest instead of sounding like I > have all the clues. > > Again, I'm happy to know about your medical contributions. I think we got > enough techniques for one day. It's better if we change channels and go back > to Nak Talk again. Thanks ! > > Carlos > > > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2459 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Jul 5 19:28:53 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:28:53 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects to consider) Message-ID: Hummmm, perhaps doing a transfer of that Alan Parsons Project (APP)oral history album from vinyl to cassette could be a future project. Only thing problematic about that is that the full two sides of vinyl exceeds 100 minutes, a zone that I'm very hesitant to cross into with cassette tape use as the medium. Maybe we can do a two cassette set of 60 minutes each. Do the cassette manufacturers still offering 60 minute blanks? I've still got two cases of Maxell XLIIS 60s, but that's all I've got. Of course, we have our connection in the Caribbean paradise who can customize cassettes to any length between 60 and 90 minutes that might be required. But again, I hesitat to assume that we have that option available. Nevertheless, all things considered, I envision possibilities.... But let's not get too committed to projects beyond our immediate horizons, we've got the M-Tape projects to complete! Where are the tapes currently, M-Tape One and Two??? With best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:32:42 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2459 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:10:53 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! > > I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you off of the NakTalk mailing group list. > > You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his act! > > http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ > > Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject though, my apologies for rambling on and on. > > By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2453 > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 > >From: "El Magnifico" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > >Carlos > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2459 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Fri Jul 5 19:52:49 2002 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:52:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Cartographers Message-ID: <200207051353_MC3-1-52B-D4FD@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >That's cartographer, someone who portrays mapping sciences information in graphic displays or publications. < Mr Bleus, strange as it may seem, i am actually i need of some cartographic services right now. i'll contact you offline. Herb... HerbChong at compuserve.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Jul 5 20:10:14 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:10:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects to consider) References: Message-ID: <00fd01c2244f$36b73d70$69756acf@johnrotten> Bleus, that would be great but do we run in to copyright laws again? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 1:28 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects to consider) > Hummmm, perhaps doing a transfer of that Alan Parsons Project (APP)oral history album from vinyl to cassette could be a future project. Only thing problematic about that is that the full two sides of vinyl exceeds 100 minutes, a zone that I'm very hesitant to cross into with cassette tape use as the medium. Maybe we can do a two cassette set of 60 minutes each. Do the cassette manufacturers still offering 60 minute blanks? I've still got two cases of Maxell XLIIS 60s, but that's all I've got. Of course, we have our connection in the Caribbean paradise who can customize cassettes to any length between 60 and 90 minutes that might be required. But again, I hesitat to assume that we have that option available. Nevertheless, all things considered, I envision possibilities.... > > But let's not get too committed to projects beyond our immediate horizons, we've got the M-Tape projects to complete! Where are the tapes currently, M-Tape One and Two??? > > With best regards, > > Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > DATE: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:32:42 > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > > naktalk-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2459 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:10:53 -0400 > From: "John M. Tooley" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > > Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in > Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be > fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be > something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! > > John > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > > > > Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the > left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members > originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small > village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' > family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban > London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family > clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the > name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! > > > > I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if > any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan > Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. > Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, > including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you > off of the NakTalk mailing group list. > > > > You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one > of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and > several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's > Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. > Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of > Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his > act! > > > > http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ > > > > Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of > the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese > remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I > also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where > Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording > experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional > history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed > during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject > though, my apologies for rambling on and on. > > > > By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. > But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 > > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > > > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number > 2453 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 > > >From: "El Magnifico" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your > cousin ? > > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > > > >Carlos > > > ------------------------------ > > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2459 > ****************************** > > > --------- End Forwarded Message --------- > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Jul 5 20:48:58 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:48:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects to consider) Message-ID: Blues and everyone, If you want quality bulk loaded cassettes (no labels or storage box), try: http://www.tapes.com/ Click on "AUDIO" in the NRS banner, then "Bulk High Bias Cassettes". I would strongly recommend Type S: BASF Super Chrome - CrO2 tapes. The shells are still 5-screw construction, not the sonically welded shells so prevalent today. Have been having trouble with the newer TDK sonically welded shells binding the tape, yielding very noticeable wow/flutter artifacts in about 2%-3% of the tapes. NRS use to send out samples of their bulk loaded tapes, not sure if they still do. The Type S tapes are very quiet. They use to offer the Shape Mark 10 shells, but they are no longer available, except where some people/companies have hoarded them away. (Good for you Carlos!!!!) The work I got was Shape went out of production about 1 ½ - 2 years ago. If you want to buy fully manufactured TDK tapes with labels and storage box, click on the "What's Hot" "TDK Audio Cassette Specials!". If you want fully manufactured Maxell cassette tapes, try: http://ttapes.com/ Click on "Analog Tape". There you'll find the XL II 60-minute tapes are $.85 each, while the 90-minute tapes are $.80 each. No, that's not a typing error, they tend to sell many more 90's than 60's. Their office is closed until July 10th, as all personnel are involved on-site with their 7th annual Gathering of the Vibes Festival. Yes, there are good sources of C-60 cassettes, we just have to decide which tapes we want. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kent >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 07/05/02 12:28PM >>> Hummmm, perhaps doing a transfer of that Alan Parsons Project (APP)oral history album from vinyl to cassette could be a future project. Only thing problematic about that is that the full two sides of vinyl exceeds 100 minutes, a zone that I'm very hesitant to cross into with cassette tape use as the medium. Maybe we can do a two cassette set of 60 minutes each. Do the cassette manufacturers still offering 60 minute blanks? I've still got two cases of Maxell XLIIS 60s, but that's all I've got. Of course, we have our connection in the Caribbean paradise who can customize cassettes to any length between 60 and 90 minutes that might be required. But again, I hesitat to assume that we have that option available. Nevertheless, all things considered, I envision possibilities.... But let's not get too committed to projects beyond our immediate horizons, we've got the M-Tape projects to complete! Where are the tapes currently, M-Tape One and Two??? With best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:32:42 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2459 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:10:53 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! > > I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you off of the NakTalk mailing group list. > > You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his act! > > http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ > > Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject though, my apologies for rambling on and on. > > By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2453 > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 > >From: "El Magnifico" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > >Carlos > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2459 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jul 5 22:16:18 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:16:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 References: <008501c22436$28b7c000$69756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <001101c22460$d5dee450$97312ac4@CopyTech> Sure John, 100% ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in > Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be > fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be > something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The BlueSwapper" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > > > > Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the > left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members > originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small > village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' > family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban > London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family > clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the > name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! > > > > I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if > any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan > Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. > Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, > including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you > off of the NakTalk mailing group list. > > > > You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one > of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and > several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's > Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. > Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of > Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his > act! > > > > http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ > > > > Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of > the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese > remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I > also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where > Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording > experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional > history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed > during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject > though, my apologies for rambling on and on. > > > > By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. > But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! > > > > --- > > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 > > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > > > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number > 2453 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 > > >From: "El Magnifico" > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your > cousin ? > > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > >- ----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "The BlueSwapper" > > >To: > > >Cc: > > >Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 8:40 PM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > > > > > > >> Ron, Carlos, et al..... > > >> > > >> Those 1kHz reference tones before and after the second musical track > where > > >placed by me, with no intention of causing a ruckus or personal tensions > > >among M-Tapers. The ref tones originated from the MFSL Sound Check audio > > >test disc, mastered by my cousin, Alan Parsons. The musical track chose > is > > >from the MFSL remastered version of the group Sanata's "Abraxas" album. > > >Carlos can remove those ref tone blips when he finalizes the cassette for > > >duplication. As the tones are at least temporarily on the tape, and most > of > > >you will hear them when previewing the recording, you may want to > consider > > >using the 1kHz tones for a comparison before beginning any recording. > > >> > > >> Have fun my friends..... > > >> > > >> K.J. Bleus > > >> > > >> --- > > >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------- Forwarded Message --------- > > >> > > >> DATE: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 04:21:57 > > >> From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > > >> To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > > >****************************** > > > > > > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Jul 6 02:25:46 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:25:46 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects toconsider) References: Message-ID: <000c01c22483$b1819350$82232ac4@CopyTech> Shape went bankrupcy couple of years ago. They came out succesfully of Chapter 11 but years later they finally closed. The Shape Mark 10 has no rival in the industry but it costed twice than the other leaders like Michelex, Lenco and Auriga. I used the mark 10 to load Maxell or TDK chrome tape only. We stopped selling custom loaded cassettes 5 years ago. I took all the Shape Mark 10 left together with a couple of Maxell XL II 11,000 ' pancakes and loaded for me. Then one of my employees designed the plate of the imprinting saying: "From The Private Collection of Carlos J. Guzman". I loaded about 350 ... NRS owner, Domenick Salvatore, used to carry all those brands and he always reserved all those Mark 10 for us. They use to load 500,000 cassettes monthly in their facility in Brooklyn, NY. I have some pictures there loading some in their 6 Kings' 790. My loaders were much newer and faster: Concept Design 9000. The best tape loaders were the Tapematics from Italy. All of the above are available for custom orders only at $18,000 each. I still have 2 but I wouldn't be surprised if we sell all cassette equipment soon ... I still have some Maxell XL II pancakes but no more Mark 10's. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 1:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects toconsider) Blues and everyone, If you want quality bulk loaded cassettes (no labels or storage box), try: http://www.tapes.com/ Click on "AUDIO" in the NRS banner, then "Bulk High Bias Cassettes". I would strongly recommend Type S: BASF Super Chrome - CrO2 tapes. The shells are still 5-screw construction, not the sonically welded shells so prevalent today. Have been having trouble with the newer TDK sonically welded shells binding the tape, yielding very noticeable wow/flutter artifacts in about 2%-3% of the tapes. NRS use to send out samples of their bulk loaded tapes, not sure if they still do. The Type S tapes are very quiet. They use to offer the Shape Mark 10 shells, but they are no longer available, except where some people/companies have hoarded them away. (Good for you Carlos!!!!) The work I got was Shape went out of production about 1 ½ - 2 years ago. If you want to buy fully manufactured TDK tapes with labels and storage box, click on the "What's Hot" "TDK Audio Cassette Specials!". If you want fully manufactured Maxell cassette tapes, try: http://ttapes.com/ Click on "Analog Tape". There you'll find the XL II 60-minute tapes are $.85 each, while the 90-minute tapes are $.80 each. No, that's not a typing error, they tend to sell many more 90's than 60's. Their office is closed until July 10th, as all personnel are involved on-site with their 7th annual Gathering of the Vibes Festival. Yes, there are good sources of C-60 cassettes, we just have to decide which tapes we want. Hope this helps. Best regards, Kent >>> blueswapper at angelfire.com 07/05/02 12:28PM >>> Hummmm, perhaps doing a transfer of that Alan Parsons Project (APP)oral history album from vinyl to cassette could be a future project. Only thing problematic about that is that the full two sides of vinyl exceeds 100 minutes, a zone that I'm very hesitant to cross into with cassette tape use as the medium. Maybe we can do a two cassette set of 60 minutes each. Do the cassette manufacturers still offering 60 minute blanks? I've still got two cases of Maxell XLIIS 60s, but that's all I've got. Of course, we have our connection in the Caribbean paradise who can customize cassettes to any length between 60 and 90 minutes that might be required. But again, I hesitat to assume that we have that option available. Nevertheless, all things considered, I envision possibilities.... But let's not get too committed to projects beyond our immediate horizons, we've got the M-Tape projects to complete! Where are the tapes currently, M-Tape One and Two??? With best regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:32:42 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2459 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:10:53 -0400 From: "John M. Tooley" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! John - ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! > > I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you off of the NakTalk mailing group list. > > You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his act! > > http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ > > Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject though, my apologies for rambling on and on. > > By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2453 > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 > >From: "El Magnifico" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 > > > >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your cousin ? > >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... > > > >Carlos > ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2459 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jul 6 02:36:55 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 17:36:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2459 (Future projects to consider) Message-ID: This remainds me of what Carlos and I envisioned with our creating the NakTree email group list back in 1999. Our friend, old Wouter (where has Wouter been lately?) was extra kind to have sponsored yet another email group. Alas, we haven't utilized that opportunity much in recent years. Maybe we can resurrect the NakTree idea, invite others to join the group, and take these recording kinds of activities off of the mainstream NakTalk scene. I can imagine that some NakTalkers are getting a bit bored with all the NakYakking about recording and sharing music. How many NakTree subscribers are still lurking around? I'll Cc: the NakTreers on this message. Carlos, what are your thoughts about our old ideas of a NakTree, and whether its worth an effort to revive the concept? I propose a futuret, of ch I can transfer two or three copies of the Alan Parsons Project oral history album onto sets of two cassettes, and then send those around to others in a "tree distribution" process, those who are interested to listen and duplicate at their own ability the master cassettes to personal use cassettes or compact discs. Anyone interested, contact me on the NakTree wavelength or directly at my BlueSwapper email address below. Maybe we'll get something together by late summertime. With best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 10:28:53 The BlueSwapper wrote: >Hummmm, perhaps doing a transfer of that Alan Parsons Project (APP)oral history album from vinyl to cassette could be a future project. Only thing problematic about that is that the full two sides of vinyl exceeds 100 minutes, a zone that I'm very hesitant to cross into with cassette tape use as the medium. Maybe we can do a two cassette set of 60 minutes each. Do the cassette manufacturers still offering 60 minute blanks? I've still got two cases of Maxell XLIIS 60s, but that's all I've got. Of course, we have our connection in the Caribbean paradise who can customize cassettes to any length between 60 and 90 minutes that might be required. But again, I hesitat to assume that we have that option available. Nevertheless, all things considered, I envision possibilities.... > >But let's not get too committed to projects beyond our immediate horizons, we've got the M-Tape projects to complete! Where are the tapes currently, M-Tape One and Two??? > >With best regards, > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > >--------- Forwarded Message --------- > >DATE: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:32:42 >From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) >To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > >naktalk-digest Friday, July 5 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2459 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:10:53 -0400 >From: "John M. Tooley" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > >Small world Bleus, my father lives in Beds. and I was born and dragged up in >Bucks. just a few counties away. That oral Parsons biography must be >fascinating! Having a copy of that run off on a ZX7 would really be >something, wouldn't it Carlos? Big grins all round! > >John >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "The BlueSwapper" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 6:22 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2453 > > >> Well Carlos, he's a distant cousin of mine, a bit up and quite far to the >left on the family geneology tree. My fourth generation past family members >originated from the south of County Bedfordshire, England UK, from a small >village by the name of Conquest. My understanding is that Alan Parsons' >family originates from Hertford, a suburban city just north of suburban >London, England UK. This is the general area that many of the Parsons family >clan have originated. Mind you, there are thousands of individuals with the >name Parsons in the UK and in the USA!!! >> >> I mentioned the family name collection on NakTalk only in jest, to see if >any of you have discerning musical tastes, recognize and appreciate the Alan >Parsons legacy, and what his numerous musical projects are all about. >Appears that we have several Alan Parsons Project enthusiasts on NakTalk, >including me. That's cool, and I'd like to get in contact with some of you >off of the NakTalk mailing group list. >> >> You might like to know that Alan Parsons still performs, even as he is one >of the powerhouses managing the Abbey Road Studios in London. Alan and >several other oldie 60's & 70's rockers are performing at Milwaukee's >Summerfest and in Chicago's taste of the city festival during early July. >Also, I believe they're traveling around the USA doing some kind of >Beatles/Abbey Road theme performance. Some of you many want to catch his >act! >> >> http://www.thealanparsonspages.com/ >> >> Of course, being an enthusiastic APP collector and listener, I hold all of >the Alan Parsons Project albums on vinyl. I'm currently building a Nipponese >remastered vinyl collection, transposing some of those to cassette tape. I >also possess a quite rare Alan Parsons oral biography boxed album set where >Alan himself and Eric Woolfson delve into their early technical recording >experiences. That is an intriguing album that mixes his oral professional >history with many of the musical tracks that he engineered and composed >during his formative years in the music industry. Enough on that subject >though, my apologies for rambling on and on. >> >> By the way, in case some of you don't know, my real name is K.J. Parsons. >But my close friends refer to me as Bleus! >> >> --- >> Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >> http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper >> >> >> >> On Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:43:40 >> naktalk-digest wrote: >> > >> >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 3 2002 Volume 02 : Number >2453 >> > >> > >> >> > >> >------------------------------ >> > >> >Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:30:45 -0500 >> >From: "El Magnifico" >> >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2452 >> > >> >Hold a second, Bleus ! Are you telling me that Alan Parsons is your >cousin ? >> >From the Alan Parsons Project ? We need to talk ... >> > >> >Carlos >> >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2459 >****************************** > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jul 6 03:52:45 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 03:52:45 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706034854.00a167c0@box.tin.it> Dears , what do you think about The Dragon ? How do you rank it among the others top of the line Nak decks ? Why should be better not having auto-cal on bias and level but auto-azimuth only ? Do you love better ZX9 or Dragon ? Do you prefer 700-zxl or zxe ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 6 18:36:43 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:36:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706034854.00a167c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D271C9B.4D9AD65D@rcn.com> When I was looking to replace my old 582, about 5 years ago, I started looking for a Dragon. Why? Because I was under the impression that is was the best Nak ever. In the process, I started to communicate with some Nakophiles, picking their brains for as much info as possible. (At the time, I wasn't even aware of NakTalk.) Several suggested that, for my purpose, the CR-7 was better than the Dragon. The CR-7 was made from 1985 (maybe 86???) to 1993. The Dragon was made 1882 to 1993. There was a better chance of getting a younger CR-7. The Dragon is far more complex -- better chance of problems in the future. Tape reversibility of the Dragon meant nothing to me -- I have no problem doing this by hand and prefer the simpler and less critical mechanism. The level meters are somewhat better on the CR-7 (24 segment vs. 20 on the Dragon). Incidentally, Dragon asking prices were higher than the CR-7. At the time, I had never actually heard either machine. So, I started to look around, to see where I could audition them. I wound up listening fairly extensively to both, though not on an A - B basis. I concluded that, sonically, they were quite similar, with both offering a small but obvious advantage over my 582. Since then I have read that the Dragon was the better machine for PB, though by a very small margin. I believe that for recording, the reverse is true. I wound up getting a CR-7, in excellent condition (an ebay seller would have called it 'mint'), though not as young as I had intended to. In the first year, it started to have serious wow, that normal cleaning and pinch roller replacement improved, but did not absolutely eliminate. It then blew the capstan motor, that I repaired by replacing an IC. It already had the gear idler and I updated the equalization and had Stephen calibrate it. (Stephen found that the capstan bearings needed lubrication. Doing this totally cured the wow issue.) In the last couple of years it has been performing flawlessly and I am very happy with it. I never regretted getting it instead of the Dragon. The upshot of this far too long story is that you may wish to consider the CR-7, along with the Dragon/ZX9/700ZXL etc.. -- Ron Ezio wrote: > > Dears , > what do you think about The Dragon ? > How do you rank it among the others top of the line Nak decks ? > > Why should be better not having auto-cal on bias and level but auto-azimuth > only ? > > Do you love better ZX9 or Dragon ? > Do you prefer 700-zxl or zxe ? > > Sincerely > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Jul 6 20:41:06 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 20:41:06 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp References: <009701c22437$66487120$69756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: >Misha, > >HCGPARTS at harman.com > >If they have anything you need and I could help you then please let me know. >Years ago I had a Citation 11 and 12 pre. & power amp. Both solid pieces of >equipment. > >John Thanks John! Can you tell me anything about 11? I found that they looks absolutely identical! Maybe some difference inside? Tell me about RIAA corrector quality - was it good? Thanks again! Misha -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Jul 6 20:10:13 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:10:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706034854.00a167c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <001401c22518$607ad260$0201000a@attbi.com> I had a similar experience in which I wanted to choose between a ZX-7 or CR7a, but ended up with a CR4a after my DR1 took a nosedive in hands of heathen children that weren't mine. After listening to a friends Dragon, and actually convincing him to let me take it home, I A/B'd it against my CR4a after Stephen Sank calibrated it. We exchanged emails back and forth regarding CR7a. He was favorable of the CR7a. During the testing, the Dragon had a edge overall on the CR4a, which had a "thinner" sound on rec and pb. During this time I also had a brand new DR-10, that sold off quick after I listened to the Dragon and CR4a. I won a CR7a on eBay and promptly had the seller ship to Stephen also for the gear update. I had no idea what shape it was in, but he mentioned that the unit was near mint. (He buffed out a small scratch on the meter panel). (If anyone can inform me what polishing cream is available in California to buff out acrylic, I'd appreciate it. I need it to buff out tiny scratches on my Basis turntable). When it came here, I A/B/C'd it against my CR4a, my friend's Dragon (now interested in selling it to me for $1K), and my "new" CR7a (DR-10 was already sold). I actually enjoy the recording done by both CRs, and I admit that the Dragon has a smoother PB (not by much). (I used Senn HD600 with Clou Red for testing). The CR7a has a clearer, more defined recording and PB of its own tapes. I have Bryston/Dynaudio, and the CR7a (and CR4a, for that matter), has a better fit in my setup. My next destination is a 700ZXE/ZXL or ZX-9, but not right now. I hope my experience has helped you somewhat. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Ezio Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? Dears , what do you think about The Dragon ? How do you rank it among the others top of the line Nak decks ? Why should be better not having auto-cal on bias and level but auto-azimuth only ? Do you love better ZX9 or Dragon ? Do you prefer 700-zxl or zxe ? Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jul 6 20:30:56 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:30:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? In-Reply-To: <001401c22518$607ad260$0201000a@attbi.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706034854.00a167c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706203034.00a1ba90@box.tin.it> Grazie Mike . Ezio At 11:10 AM 7/6/02 -0700, you wrote: >I had a similar experience in which I wanted to choose between a ZX-7 or >CR7a, but ended up with a CR4a after my DR1 took a nosedive in hands of >heathen children that weren't mine. > >After listening to a friends Dragon, and actually convincing him to let me >take it home, I A/B'd it against my CR4a after Stephen Sank calibrated it. >We exchanged emails back and forth regarding CR7a. > >He was favorable of the CR7a. During the testing, the Dragon had a edge >overall on the CR4a, which had a "thinner" sound on rec and pb. During this >time I also had a brand new DR-10, that sold off quick after I listened to >the Dragon and CR4a. > >I won a CR7a on eBay and promptly had the seller ship to Stephen also for >the gear update. I had no idea what shape it was in, but he mentioned that >the unit was near mint. (He buffed out a small scratch on the meter panel). > >(If anyone can inform me what polishing cream is available in California to >buff out acrylic, I'd appreciate it. I need it to buff out tiny scratches on >my Basis turntable). > >When it came here, I A/B/C'd it against my CR4a, my friend's Dragon (now >interested in selling it to me for $1K), and my "new" CR7a (DR-10 was >already sold). I actually enjoy the recording done by both CRs, and I admit >that the Dragon has a smoother PB (not by much). (I used Senn HD600 with >Clou Red for testing). > >The CR7a has a clearer, more defined recording and PB of its own tapes. I >have Bryston/Dynaudio, and the CR7a (and CR4a, for that matter), has a >better fit in my setup. My next destination is a 700ZXE/ZXL or ZX-9, but not >right now. I hope my experience has helped you somewhat. > >Mike > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On >Behalf Of Ezio >Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 6:53 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? > > > >Dears , > what do you think about The Dragon ? >How do you rank it among the others top of the line Nak decks ? > >Why should be better not having auto-cal on bias and level but auto-azimuth >only ? > >Do you love better ZX9 or Dragon ? >Do you prefer 700-zxl or zxe ? > > >Sincerely > >Ezio Lucenti > >Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jul 6 20:34:05 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 20:34:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? In-Reply-To: <3D271C9B.4D9AD65D@rcn.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706034854.00a167c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020706203355.00a1cc60@box.tin.it> Grazie Ron. Ezio At 12:36 PM 7/6/02 -0400, you wrote: >When I was looking to replace my old 582, about 5 years ago, >I started looking for a Dragon. Why? Because I was under the >impression that is was the best Nak ever. > >In the process, I started to communicate with some Nakophiles, >picking their brains for as much info as possible. (At the >time, I wasn't even aware of NakTalk.) Several suggested that, >for my purpose, the CR-7 was better than the Dragon. > >The CR-7 was made from 1985 (maybe 86???) to 1993. The Dragon >was made 1882 to 1993. There was a better chance of getting >a younger CR-7. The Dragon is far more complex -- better chance >of problems in the future. Tape reversibility of the Dragon >meant nothing to me -- I have no problem doing this by hand >and prefer the simpler and less critical mechanism. The level >meters are somewhat better on the CR-7 (24 segment vs. 20 on >the Dragon). Incidentally, Dragon asking prices were higher >than the CR-7. > >At the time, I had never actually heard either machine. So, I >started to look around, to see where I could audition them. I >wound up listening fairly extensively to both, though not on >an A - B basis. I concluded that, sonically, they were quite >similar, with both offering a small but obvious advantage >over my 582. Since then I have read that the Dragon was the >better machine for PB, though by a very small margin. I >believe that for recording, the reverse is true. > >I wound up getting a CR-7, in excellent condition (an ebay >seller would have called it 'mint'), though not as young as >I had intended to. In the first year, it started to have >serious wow, that normal cleaning and pinch roller replacement >improved, but did not absolutely eliminate. It then blew the >capstan motor, that I repaired by replacing an IC. It already >had the gear idler and I updated the equalization and had >Stephen calibrate it. (Stephen found that the capstan bearings >needed lubrication. Doing this totally cured the wow issue.) In >the last couple of years it has been performing flawlessly and >I am very happy with it. I never regretted getting it instead >of the Dragon. > >The upshot of this far too long story is that you may wish to >consider the CR-7, along with the Dragon/ZX9/700ZXL etc.. > >-- Ron > > > > >Ezio wrote: > > > > Dears , > > what do you think about The Dragon ? > > How do you rank it among the others top of the line Nak decks ? > > > > Why should be better not having auto-cal on bias and level but auto-azimuth > > only ? > > > > Do you love better ZX9 or Dragon ? > > Do you prefer 700-zxl or zxe ? > > > > Sincerely > > > > Ezio Lucenti > > > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Jul 6 20:35:59 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:35:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? In-Reply-To: <3D271C9B.4D9AD65D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c2251b$f9d49b00$0201000a@attbi.com> Wow, Ron - the Dragon has been around for a LONG time --- (kidding) Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 9:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] What do you think about DRAGON ? The CR-7 was made from 1985 (maybe 86???) to 1993. The Dragon was made 1882 to 1993. There was a better chance of getting a younger CR-7. The Dragon is far more complex -- better chance ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I need it to buff out tiny scratches on >my Basis turntable). > > > >Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Sat Jul 6 20:58:54 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:58:54 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Plastic Polish In-Reply-To: <3D273A15.3040809@attbi.com> Message-ID: <001b01c2251f$2d342080$0201000a@attbi.com> Many thanks - a call down to TAP Plastic $2.95 for 2 oz. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Bruno Vasil Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 11:42 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Plastic Polish For years I have used NOVUS Plastic Polish(#2)....there are 3 levels for depth of scratch or for polishing....I think it is available in all commercial stores that deal in acrylics and sheet plastics, can be found at ... http://www.novuspolish.com Bruno Mike deVera wrote: > > >(If anyone can inform me what polishing cream is available in California to >buff out acrylic, I'd appreciate it. I need it to buff out tiny scratches on >my Basis turntable). > > > >Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Jul 6 22:40:39 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 16:40:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp References: <009701c22437$66487120$69756acf@johnrotten> Message-ID: <00ca01c2252d$641096c0$48756acf@johnrotten> Misha, That was a very long time ago. I switched from the HK to a Davis Brinton external pre-amp. and never went back. The Davis Brinton, I still have it in a cupboard here, is a two piece unit, the amp. plus a separate PS. The Harmon is very solid. It has a 1/4 '' thick machined faceplate but the volume control, and a replacement, never tracked right giving different levels from both channels that I found very annoying. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mironov" To: Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT Question - HK Citation 17 pre-amp > >Misha, > > > >HCGPARTS at harman.com > > > >If they have anything you need and I could help you then please let me know. > >Years ago I had a Citation 11 and 12 pre. & power amp. Both solid pieces of > >equipment. > > > >John > > Thanks John! > > Can you tell me anything about 11? I found that they looks absolutely identical! > Maybe some difference inside? Tell me about RIAA corrector quality - was it good? > > Thanks again! > > Misha > -- > ______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I'll record my selection, check for any material that may be on > the tape after my selection (as Carlos asked, and erase it if > necessary), rewind it , and send it off (Priority) to Rob Hamilton in > California. > I'll have it in the mail to Rob on Monday, and will notify KJ of my > selection particulars for the Status page. > I'm havin' fun now! > Bill Wheatley > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Jul 7 23:21:31 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:21:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TEMPORARY CONTACT E-MAIL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000101c225fc$43b4bda0$2805893e@a4s1s2> Guys and esp. Stephen and Marathon partakers .... If you need to contact me, please send e-mails to this address, as normal AND COPY THEM to graham.nelson at alliance-leicester.co.uk Please do NOT attach any files to this or write and obscenities! ;o) That's 'cos it's a work e-mail address and my employer is very touchy about private e-mails. This is necessary as a temporary measure as my home PC is going off line for as long as it takes to get the darned thing fixed .... Cheers Graham > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Jul 8 06:10:57 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:10:57 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B94@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Sorry once again for the off topic, please reply directly to me if you have any suggestion regarding the problem I have. I own a Panasonic VCR, model NV-F66, and it has developed a small but annoying problem. It seems that when it has "warmed up" the audio from the tuner will stop. The audio from the playing tape is fine as is the picture from both tuner & tape. The peak level meters will show no signal when the fault kicks in but will show something when a tape is played and when the fault goes away. Does anyone have any idea what's wrong with my VCR. Thanks and sorry once again for the OT. Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Mon Jul 8 14:25:33 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:25:33 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> I was hoping to order some parts for an upgrade i am doing on my EAR 834P. it would include Elna Cerafine caps etc. i was wondering who i could get in touch with. Regards Neal ------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of our company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 8 16:17:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 10:17:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B94@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3D299F09.9D39B3DD@rcn.com> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > Sorry once again for the off topic, please reply directly to me if you have any suggestion regarding the problem I have. > > I own a Panasonic VCR, model NV-F66, and it has developed a small but annoying problem. It seems that when it has "warmed up" the audio from the tuner will stop. The audio from the playing tape is fine as is the picture from both tuner & tape. The peak level meters will show no signal when the fault kicks in but will show something when a tape is played and when the fault goes away. Does anyone have any idea what's wrong with my VCR. > > Thanks and sorry once again for the OT. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos Your problem description does isolate the fault to a small number of circuits, but not enough to a specific component. So, some trouble shooting is necessary, unless this model has a propensity to exactly this fault and someone here is familar enough with the model to recognize it. Generally, this fault must lie within the TV tuner (this is often one metal encased box, but sometimes, the demodulator circuit is separate) and/or the audio switching circuit that follows. You can easily identify the tuner box, since this is where the F connector marked 'Ant/Cable' (or something to that effect) is attached. This is often sold as a single (not very cheap) component. The following audio switch usually consists of a single IC plus a small number of passive components. If you have a schematic diagram of the unit and some elementary equipment (signal tracer and a DMM), I can suggest some testing to isolate the faulty component (could be a 5 cent resistor or a $50 subassembly). Otherwise, it's a trip to a service shop. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Jul 8 17:44:00 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:44:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B94@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Not an answer to your uestion Tom. Sorry. But I've lng wondered - Does anyone make a Nak or Revox quality vcr. Everything I('ve seen, including the top of the line stuff is pure throwaway crap. I'de like a nice modular upgradeable tank-like vcr! Javier --- Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > Sorry once again for the off topic, please reply > directly to me if you have any suggestion regarding > the problem I have. > > I own a Panasonic VCR, model NV-F66, and it has > developed a small but annoying problem. It seems > that when it has "warmed up" the audio from the > tuner will stop. The audio from the playing tape is > fine as is the picture from both tuner & tape. The > peak level meters will show no signal when the fault > kicks in but will show something when a tape is > played and when the fault goes away. Does anyone > have any idea what's wrong with my VCR. > > Thanks and sorry once again for the OT. > > Regards > > Tom Siomopoulos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Mon Jul 8 18:34:24 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:34:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005601c2269d$52c5a240$ca02010a@titusint.com> IMHO, the Sony SLV-R5 or the Mitsubishi U82 can probably qualify as the Nak/Revox for built quality. These two VCRs are among the best in terms of picture quality and editing capabilities too. Too bad you can only buy them used because both of these models have been discontinued for a long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > Not an answer to your uestion Tom. > Sorry. But I've lng wondered - Does anyone make a > Nak or Revox quality vcr. Everything I('ve seen, > including the top of the line stuff is pure throwaway > crap. I'de like a nice modular upgradeable tank-like > vcr! > Javier > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: > > Sorry once again for the off topic, please reply > > directly to me if you have any suggestion regarding > > the problem I have. > > > > I own a Panasonic VCR, model NV-F66, and it has > > developed a small but annoying problem. It seems > > that when it has "warmed up" the audio from the > > tuner will stop. The audio from the playing tape is > > fine as is the picture from both tuner & tape. The > > peak level meters will show no signal when the fault > > kicks in but will show something when a tape is > > played and when the fault goes away. Does anyone > > have any idea what's wrong with my VCR. > > > > Thanks and sorry once again for the OT. > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Jul 8 19:36:35 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:36:35 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> Message-ID: <00f301c226a6$030549a0$393442cf@sank1> I have to think that there are cheaper sources elsewhere in the world, but the best suggestions I can make are http://www.welbornelabs.com/parts.htm or http://www.percyaudio.com/ with the first being more likely to do international than the second. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Walker" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:25 AM Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts > I was hoping to order some parts for an upgrade i am doing on my EAR 834P. > it would include Elna Cerafine caps etc. i was wondering who i could get in > touch with. > > Regards > Neal > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > proprietary to the company and protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Mon Jul 8 22:24:02 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 16:24:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 Tape progress Message-ID: <3D29F4E2.B22DA93C@warwick.net> Hi all, I have added my selection to the Marathon 1 Tape, and sent it off this morning (priority Mail) to Rob Hamilton in California. I'll email KJ with the particulars of my selection. Also, Carlos: there was no other material that was on the tape after the recordings done so far, so it was a clean one. Bill Wheatley ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 8 23:21:28 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 17:21:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> VCRs are now a commodity product. There is no appreciable market for high end machines and the price that they must command. Expensive VCRs offer features, but not high end performance and certainly, not reliability. he only Nak of VCRs I can think of is Toshiba's SV-F990, probably the best prosumer VCR ever made, listed at ~$2000 when new, about 15 years ago. It went on ebay some time ago for $700. Today, Toshiba VCRs (and other products) are on the same level as the company's morals, honesty and integrity -- total crap. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Not an answer to your uestion Tom. > Sorry. But I've lng wondered - Does anyone make a > Nak or Revox quality vcr. Everything I('ve seen, > including the top of the line stuff is pure throwaway > crap. I'de like a nice modular upgradeable tank-like > vcr! > Javier > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: > > Sorry once again for the off topic, please reply > > directly to me if you have any suggestion regarding > > the problem I have. > > > > I own a Panasonic VCR, model NV-F66, and it has > > developed a small but annoying problem. It seems > > that when it has "warmed up" the audio from the > > tuner will stop. The audio from the playing tape is > > fine as is the picture from both tuner & tape. The > > peak level meters will show no signal when the fault > > kicks in but will show something when a tape is > > played and when the fault goes away. Does anyone > > have any idea what's wrong with my VCR. > > > > Thanks and sorry once again for the OT. > > > > Regards > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jul 8 23:40:35 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:40:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 Tape progress References: <3D29F4E2.B22DA93C@warwick.net> Message-ID: <000d01c226c8$1f34bda0$36756acf@johnrotten> Man, at this rate we'll all have a copy for Thanksgiving or at least Christmas! I think I'll put it under the tree and act all silly on Christmas morning telling myself that Santa Carlos ate the cookies by the chimney!!! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 4:24 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 Tape progress > Hi all, > I have added my selection to the Marathon 1 Tape, and sent it off > this morning (priority Mail) to Rob Hamilton in California. > I'll email KJ with the particulars of my selection. > Also, Carlos: there was no other material that was on the tape after > the recordings done so far, so it was a clean one. > Bill Wheatley > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Tue Jul 9 01:17:46 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:17:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts ... connections ? In-Reply-To: <00f301c226a6$030549a0$393442cf@sank1> References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020709010912.00a1b9c0@box.tin.it> Dears , thanks to Stephen suggestions to Neal I dare to ask : 1) which kind of gauge have the cables you use to connect your beloved Nakamichi decks to the Pre ? 1-a) is there any appreciable difference between different gauges ? 2) does your RCA connectors are somehow ''special'' I mean ... like ... amagnetic , golden or whatsoever peculiarity they claim ? 3) is there a brand you prefer / consider superior for cables and connectors respectively ? I am going to wire the connections of a new system and I have already seen expensive Audio Technica OFC large gauge cables 2.5$ a ft. (retail) and amagnetic RCA plugs 8$ each What do you think is it worth spending for highly conductive barely 0 impedence connections ? You opinions and suggestions will be much appreciated. Ezio At 11:36 AM 7/8/02 -0600, you wrote: >I have to think that there are cheaper sources elsewhere in the world, but >the best suggestions I can make are http://www.welbornelabs.com/parts.htm or >http://www.percyaudio.com/ with the first being more likely to do >international than the second. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Neal Walker" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:25 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts > > > > I was hoping to order some parts for an upgrade i am doing on my EAR 834P. > > it would include Elna Cerafine caps etc. i was wondering who i could get >in > > touch with. > > > > Regards > > Neal > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named > > above and may contain information that is confidential and privileged, > > proprietary to the company and protected by law. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Jul 9 02:56:31 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 17:56:31 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001201c226e3$76ea3f50$3db5b742@pii366custom> Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 9 03:41:22 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:41:22 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B97@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Wow! What a machine! Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 10:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 9 03:42:10 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:42:10 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> <001201c226e3$76ea3f50$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <014501c226e9$d87b7440$393442cf@sank1> For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, with a Sony SLV-595 secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but I must say that I like the Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. Just about all of the models they have yet made are many times better than any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple of years, and the top models are better than the best SVHS decks ever made by anyone. Wish I hadn't let go of my EV-S3000! Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have > never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Jul 9 04:12:01 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:12:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TV issue. In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B97@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: OK, here is another OT, this time re: TV ... A year ago I bought from my friend his 26" Toshiba TV. It is a 14 year-old model, which seemed to work fine until a few weeks ago. Now, after a minute or so of playing the picture seems to slowly dim, and then the screen goes blank. I can still hear the sound very well, and am able to switch the channels. Once I shot down the unit, wait 10 or so minutes, I can turn it back on and get the picture going again (for a minute or so ...) My question - is it worth fixing? Is there anything simple I can try - a home remedy that might work? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Mon, July 08, 2002 8:41 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Wow! What a machine! Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Roland Alford [mailto:roleo at telus.net] Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 10:57 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, find an older HK hifi vcr, can't remember the model #, but pick it up, if it weighs more than 2 or 3 lbs, that's the one I had, damn near unkillable (though not divorceproof...:) ) erie patsellis on 7/8/02 10:44 AM, Javier Perez at summarex at yahoo.com wrote: > Not an answer to your uestion Tom. > Sorry. But I've lng wondered - Does anyone make a > Nak or Revox quality vcr. Everything I('ve seen, > including the top of the line stuff is pure throwaway > crap. I'de like a nice modular upgradeable tank-like > vcr! > Javier > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 9 07:44:01 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 15:44:01 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B9D@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thanks to all who have put in suggestions regarding the problem. I've had a further look at the unit and noticed that the stereo pilot lamp goes out too! I've pulled the unit apart and the only way to correct the problem was to disconnect the cable connecting the power supply to the main pcb, and only then was the sound able to come back. Me thinks the crappy power supply is at fault. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Erie Patsellis [mailto:epatsellis at mcleodusa.net] Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2002 1:39 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Tom, find an older HK hifi vcr, can't remember the model #, but pick it up, if it weighs more than 2 or 3 lbs, that's the one I had, damn near unkillable (though not divorceproof...:) ) erie patsellis on 7/8/02 10:44 AM, Javier Perez at summarex at yahoo.com wrote: > Not an answer to your uestion Tom. > Sorry. But I've lng wondered - Does anyone make a > Nak or Revox quality vcr. Everything I('ve seen, > including the top of the line stuff is pure throwaway > crap. I'de like a nice modular upgradeable tank-like > vcr! > Javier > > --- Thomas Siomopoulos > wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Jul 9 08:47:20 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 07:47:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck 1 References: <3D257412.8A96C5@warwick.net> <3D25A1B6.C75F9C88@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D2A86F8.1060803@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 10 04:03:25 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:03:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> <001201c226e3$76ea3f50$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D2B95ED.FB6944E@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have > never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > --Roland > > Interesting. Not that I am going to sell mine, but it's interesting to know where the value is going. This VCR is indeed an awesome machine. First, there is the build and design quality that Toshiba has long forgotten how to do. Second, picture quality is one of the best, even compared to newer VCRs. Third, the feature list is unusual. In addition to the 88 page user's manual, it came with a it came with 35 page devoted to the Digital FX. It can do automatic assemble editing, fades (in and out), dissolves, superimposing and titling. It can read silhouette scans from the supplied scanner. The down side is that, just like the CR-7, specific parts may become impossible to get. In time, I may have to junk it, due to the lack of some key part. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 10 04:20:59 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> <001201c226e3$76ea3f50$3db5b742@pii366custom> <014501c226e9$d87b7440$393442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3D2B9A0B.B446658B@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, with a Sony SLV-595 > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but I must say that I like the > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a Sony buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times before he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give him trouble. As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read complained about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I feel, is the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty on this $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I didn't even bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. The one VCR in this price range that I would go for (if forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and reasonable build quality. > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > Just about all of the models they have yet made are many times better than > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple of years, and the top > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever made by anyone. True. But not much use to people that already have a collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded cassettes. Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have > > never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > --Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jul 10 04:42:05 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:42:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> <001201c226e3$76ea3f50$3db5b742@pii366custom> <014501c226e9$d87b7440$393442cf@sank1> <3D2B9A0B.B446658B@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D2B9EF3.AB9396BE@snet.net> We've had a Panasonic AG-1960 in the dub racks at work for at least 6 years now and I have to say that it has run like a champ and produces a very good picture... it's still got a foot in the consumer arena with a built in tuner and rca connectors (instead of BNC & balanced XLR), but it's also built pretty well and has needed little service. Of course, if you were looking to get the ultimate in VHS, then nothing could beat the full blown Sony pro editing model. I think it sells for about $3500 new, but is built like a tank, supported by Sony pro line service (completely different animal than Sony consumer), and also puts out the finest picture that you will obtain from the format with standard VHS looking better than 3/4" SP tape at it's best and SVHS doing only that much better. Ed Ron wrote: > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, with a Sony SLV-595 > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but I must say that I like the > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a Sony > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times before > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give him > trouble. > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read complained > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I feel, is > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty on this > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I didn't even > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go for (if > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and > reasonable build quality. > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > Just about all of the models they have yet made are many times better than > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple of years, and the top > > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever made by anyone. > > True. But not much use to people that already have a > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded cassettes. > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > -- Ron > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but the > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who have > > > never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From p9019 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 10 10:26:44 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 01:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <20020710082644.28443.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Stephen, I'm surprised to hear that you like the Sony 8mm VCRs. Aren't they made with the same substandard components that all their other crap is made from. For example the SMT electrolytic caps that are run too close to their maximum rating and last just long enough to get it past the warranty period. Which by the way is probably the shortest in the industry (90 days, come on.) I've had so many problems with Sony crap, I will never buy another, period! You name it, 32" TV, repaired 3 times. Two car stereo head units, one replaced under warranty, the other is limping along, but, it developes a new problem every year. Two bad car CD changers. MD record failed just after 1 year. The only thinks of Sony that still work are my clock radio (free from Discover card) and my 18 year old 12" TV. The TV will probably last forever, but, I'm sure the clock radio will die soon (probably tonight!). So many friends want me to look at their broken Sony products it's not even funny. I can't believe they are still such a big player in the market. One of these days their dirty little secret is going to get around and everyone will know how crappy their stuff is. BTW - Does anyone have the service manual or schematics for a JVC S-VHS vcr model HR-S8000U. It's a great unit that died a couple years ago after 10 years of faithful service. I'd love to get it back up and running. Can't find VCRs of this quality anymore. Not as nice as that Toshiba SV-F990 that someone brought up earlier, but, pretty good. I checked my 1989 Audio magazine buyers guide and the Toshiba was $1999 retail. My JVC was $1599 retail. It's amazing how cheap VCRs are today, but then again, the quality just isn't there. Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, > with a Sony SLV-595 > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but > I must say that I like the > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a > Sony > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times > before > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give > him > trouble. > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read > complained > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I > feel, is > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty > on this > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I > didn't even > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go for > (if > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and > reasonable build quality. > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are > Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > Just about all of the models they have yet made > are many times better than > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple > of years, and the top > > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever > made by anyone. > > True. But not much use to people that already have a > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded > cassettes. > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling > right now for $315 but the > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome > machine! For any who have > > > never seen one, the pictures and description > provided are quite good. > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Wed Jul 10 11:42:03 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:42:03 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158838@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> I have a Sony EV-S550 that I bought in Germany in 1990 and it has never failed mechanically or otherwise for the last 12 years and it is subjected to at least 20-40 power outages a year here in Spain. Edited and copied three tapes last month for friend. I also have the Toshiba SV-F990 (only negative, it doesn't fit in my rack with the wooden side panels on) and for features on a VCR is amazing. I have never used them all. Raul -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:27 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Stephen, I'm surprised to hear that you like the Sony 8mm VCRs. Aren't they made with the same substandard components that all their other crap is made from. For example the SMT electrolytic caps that are run too close to their maximum rating and last just long enough to get it past the warranty period. Which by the way is probably the shortest in the industry (90 days, come on.) I've had so many problems with Sony crap, I will never buy another, period! You name it, 32" TV, repaired 3 times. Two car stereo head units, one replaced under warranty, the other is limping along, but, it developes a new problem every year. Two bad car CD changers. MD record failed just after 1 year. The only thinks of Sony that still work are my clock radio (free from Discover card) and my 18 year old 12" TV. The TV will probably last forever, but, I'm sure the clock radio will die soon (probably tonight!). So many friends want me to look at their broken Sony products it's not even funny. I can't believe they are still such a big player in the market. One of these days their dirty little secret is going to get around and everyone will know how crappy their stuff is. BTW - Does anyone have the service manual or schematics for a JVC S-VHS vcr model HR-S8000U. It's a great unit that died a couple years ago after 10 years of faithful service. I'd love to get it back up and running. Can't find VCRs of this quality anymore. Not as nice as that Toshiba SV-F990 that someone brought up earlier, but, pretty good. I checked my 1989 Audio magazine buyers guide and the Toshiba was $1999 retail. My JVC was $1599 retail. It's amazing how cheap VCRs are today, but then again, the quality just isn't there. Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, > with a Sony SLV-595 > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but > I must say that I like the > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a > Sony > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times > before > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give > him > trouble. > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read > complained > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I > feel, is > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty > on this > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I > didn't even > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go for > (if > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and > reasonable build quality. > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are > Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > Just about all of the models they have yet made > are many times better than > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple > of years, and the top > > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever > made by anyone. > > True. But not much use to people that already have a > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded > cassettes. > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > -- Ron > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Alford" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling > right now for $315 but the > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome > machine! For any who have > > > never seen one, the pictures and description > provided are quite good. > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Wed Jul 10 15:11:49 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 09:11:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08C4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I agree that these older 1990 time frame VCR's are the best. I've seen AG-1960's, AG-1970's, NEC DS-8500U, Various JVC's and the Sony SLV-R5UC. SVHS was very nice in the JVC's but VHS was sub-par and then the quality issues were bad. The JVC HR-8000 was reliable but built before advances in noise reduction were made. The Panasonics were good and the NEC DS-8500U might be a little better. I choose the R5 as it also has a very good VHS picture. As for the SONY SLV-R5 I have three of them. Once you learn the quirks you can fix them and they are fine. Even Sony had trouble fixing them but once you fixed the capstain motor they were much better as it caused many quirks that you would not relate to the capstain motor. The initial machines had a capstain motor where the top extension, or Bearing as Sony calls it, would bend and bind the capstain motor, then you would have all kinds of problems with it. Install the improved one and it works fine. Also the swing arm the pulls the tape out by the stationary head so it can count time as it FF's or REW's had grease that would get tacky over time, that needed to be cleaned up. Then I would install non-oil filled capacitors in the power supply as the initial ones would leak over time and C108 on the primary side would go bad which would cause failure. These do run hot so you do not want them in an enclosed cabinet but these were very good making generational copies on high end consumer machines. After these improvement they have ran for years for me with no problems. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Stephen Sank wrote: > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, with a Sony SLV-595 > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but I must say that I > like the Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a Sony buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times before he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give him trouble. As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read complained about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I feel, is the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty on this $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I didn't even bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. The one VCR in this price range that I would go for (if forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and reasonable build quality. > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm > decks. Just about all of the models they have yet made are many times > better than any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple of years, > and the top models are better than the best SVHS decks ever made by > anyone. True. But not much use to people that already have a collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded cassettes. Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. -- Ron > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 > > but the reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For > > any who have never seen one, the pictures and description provided > > are quite good. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > --Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 10 21:59:17 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 15:59:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020708154400.3008.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> <3D2A0258.5A0D4C1E@rcn.com> <001201c226e3$76ea3f50$3db5b742@pii366custom> <014501c226e9$d87b7440$393442cf@sank1> <3D2B9A0B.B446658B@rcn.com> <3D2B9EF3.AB9396BE@snet.net> Message-ID: <3D2C9215.2B1AD546@rcn.com> Yep, I heard good things about the AG-1960 and was favorably impressed with it's picture quality. I was on the verge of getting oe, but was taken aback by a deficiency that is meaningless in a pro environment, but a pain in the you-know-what for an amateur like me --- the lack of jog-shuttle on the remote. I use the jog-shuttle control often, to seamlessly resume interrupted recordings. In my setup, having to walk over to the do this at the VCR, right next to the large screen, is a real nuisance. The editing controller is no help, since it cannot be remotely controlled, either. -- Ron Ed Noyes wrote: > > We've had a Panasonic AG-1960 in the dub racks at work for at least 6 years > now and I have to say that it has run like a champ and produces a very good > picture... it's still got a foot in the consumer arena with a built in tuner > and rca connectors (instead of BNC & balanced XLR), but it's also built > pretty well and has needed little service. Of course, if you were looking to > get the ultimate in VHS, then nothing could beat the full blown Sony pro > editing model. I think it sells for about $3500 new, but is built like a > tank, supported by Sony pro line service (completely different animal than > Sony consumer), and also puts out the finest picture that you will obtain > from the format with standard VHS looking better than 3/4" SP tape at it's > best and SVHS doing only that much better. > > Ed > > Ron wrote: > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, with a Sony SLV-595 > > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but I must say that I like > > the > > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a Sony > > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times before > > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give him > > trouble. > > > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read complained > > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I feel, is > > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty on this > > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I didn't even > > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go for (if > > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic > > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, > > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and > > reasonable build quality. > > > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > > Just about all of the models they have yet made are many times better > > than > > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple of years, and the top > > > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever made by anyone. > > > > True. But not much use to people that already have a > > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded cassettes. > > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way > > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling right now for $315 but > > the > > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome machine! For any who > > have > > > > never seen one, the pictures and description provided are quite good. > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > > > --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 10 22:03:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:03:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020710082644.28443.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D2C9313.2E7DCE4D@rcn.com> Yes, Sony reliability and Service do look bad -- until you sample the crap Toshiba dishes out and their sleazy Service people. -- Ron Scott Johnson wrote: > > Stephen, > I'm surprised to hear that you like the Sony 8mm VCRs. > Aren't they made with the same substandard components > that all their other crap is made from. For example > the SMT electrolytic caps that are run too close to > their maximum rating and last just long enough to get > it past the warranty period. Which by the way is > probably the shortest in the industry (90 days, come > on.) > > I've had so many problems with Sony crap, I will never > buy another, period! You name it, 32" TV, repaired 3 > times. Two car stereo head units, one replaced under > warranty, the other is limping along, but, it > developes a new problem every year. Two bad car CD > changers. MD record failed just after 1 year. The > only thinks of Sony that still work are my clock radio > (free from Discover card) and my 18 year old 12" TV. > The TV will probably last forever, but, I'm sure the > clock radio will die soon (probably tonight!). > > So many friends want me to look at their broken Sony > products it's not even funny. I can't believe they > are still such a big player in the market. One of > these days their dirty little secret is going to get > around and everyone will know how crappy their stuff > is. > > BTW - Does anyone have the service manual or > schematics for a JVC S-VHS vcr model HR-S8000U. It's > a great unit that died a couple years ago after 10 > years of faithful service. I'd love to get it back up > and running. Can't find VCRs of this quality anymore. > Not as nice as that Toshiba SV-F990 that someone > brought up earlier, but, pretty good. I checked my > 1989 Audio magazine buyers guide and the Toshiba was > $1999 retail. My JVC was $1599 retail. It's amazing > how cheap VCRs are today, but then again, the quality > just isn't there. > > Scott J. > > --- Ron wrote: > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, > > with a Sony SLV-595 > > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but > > I must say that I like the > > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a > > Sony > > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times > > before > > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give > > him > > trouble. > > > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read > > complained > > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I > > feel, is > > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty > > on this > > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I > > didn't even > > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go for > > (if > > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic > > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, > > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and > > reasonable build quality. > > > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are > > Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > > Just about all of the models they have yet made > > are many times better than > > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple > > of years, and the top > > > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever > > made by anyone. > > > > True. But not much use to people that already have a > > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded > > cassettes. > > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way > > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling > > right now for $315 but the > > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome > > machine! For any who have > > > > never seen one, the pictures and description > > provided are quite good. > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > > > --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 11 01:21:17 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <20020710232117.6854.qmail@web13101.mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, Toshiba is another company that I avoid like the plague. I've never had any A/V equipment from them, fortunately. A friend had a 27" TV from them and there was a big greenish blotch in the upper right area. No, he didn't play with magnets on the tube. His brother had another model of Toshiba TV that was even worse. It was so bad he had them replace the picture tube, twice! Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:03:31 -0400 > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > Yes, Sony reliability and Service do look bad -- > until > you sample the crap Toshiba dishes out and their > sleazy > Service people. > > -- Ron > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > Stephen, > > I'm surprised to hear that you like the Sony 8mm > VCRs. > > Aren't they made with the same substandard > components > > that all their other crap is made from. For > example > > the SMT electrolytic caps that are run too close > to > > their maximum rating and last just long enough to > get > > it past the warranty period. Which by the way is > > probably the shortest in the industry (90 days, > come > > on.) > > > > I've had so many problems with Sony crap, I will > never > > buy another, period! You name it, 32" TV, > repaired 3 > > times. Two car stereo head units, one replaced > under > > warranty, the other is limping along, but, it > > developes a new problem every year. Two bad car > CD > > changers. MD record failed just after 1 year. > The > > only thinks of Sony that still work are my clock > radio > > (free from Discover card) and my 18 year old 12" > TV. > > The TV will probably last forever, but, I'm sure > the > > clock radio will die soon (probably tonight!). > > > > So many friends want me to look at their broken > Sony > > products it's not even funny. I can't believe > they > > are still such a big player in the market. One of > > these days their dirty little secret is going to > get > > around and everyone will know how crappy their > stuff > > is. > > > > BTW - Does anyone have the service manual or > > schematics for a JVC S-VHS vcr model HR-S8000U. > It's > > a great unit that died a couple years ago after 10 > > years of faithful service. I'd love to get it > back up > > and running. Can't find VCRs of this quality > anymore. > > Not as nice as that Toshiba SV-F990 that someone > > brought up earlier, but, pretty good. I checked > my > > 1989 Audio magazine buyers guide and the Toshiba > was > > $1999 retail. My JVC was $1599 retail. It's > amazing > > how cheap VCRs are today, but then again, the > quality > > just isn't there. > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for > VHS, > > > with a Sony SLV-595 > > > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, > but > > > I must say that I like the > > > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > > > > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to > be a > > > Sony > > > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 > times > > > before > > > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to > give > > > him > > > trouble. > > > > > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read > > > complained > > > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I > > > feel, is > > > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's > warranty > > > on this > > > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I > > > didn't even > > > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > > > > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go > for > > > (if > > > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the > Panasonic > > > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at > least, > > > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) > and > > > reasonable build quality. > > > > > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are > > > Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > > > Just about all of the models they have yet > made > > > are many times better than > > > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last > couple > > > of years, and the top > > > > models are better than the best SVHS decks > ever > > > made by anyone. > > > > > > True. But not much use to people that already > have a > > > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded > > > cassettes. > > > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other > way > > > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog > > > Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one > selling > > > right now for $315 but the > > > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an > awesome > > > machine! For any who have > > > > > never seen one, the pictures and description > > > provided are quite good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > > > > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 11 02:37:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:37:06 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. References: <20020710082644.28443.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013a01c22873$169af7c0$3d3442cf@sank1> Most of the 8mm & Hi8 vcr decks use the nasty SMD lytic caps only in the video head preamp, so there ain't many of them & there's ample room to install normal caps in their place, which I have done to one of mine. It'd be nice if they didn't use them in the first place, of course, but it ain't reason enough to avoid such otherwise great machines. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:26 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > Stephen, > I'm surprised to hear that you like the Sony 8mm VCRs. > Aren't they made with the same substandard components > that all their other crap is made from. For example > the SMT electrolytic caps that are run too close to > their maximum rating and last just long enough to get > it past the warranty period. Which by the way is > probably the shortest in the industry (90 days, come > on.) > > I've had so many problems with Sony crap, I will never > buy another, period! You name it, 32" TV, repaired 3 > times. Two car stereo head units, one replaced under > warranty, the other is limping along, but, it > developes a new problem every year. Two bad car CD > changers. MD record failed just after 1 year. The > only thinks of Sony that still work are my clock radio > (free from Discover card) and my 18 year old 12" TV. > The TV will probably last forever, but, I'm sure the > clock radio will die soon (probably tonight!). > > So many friends want me to look at their broken Sony > products it's not even funny. I can't believe they > are still such a big player in the market. One of > these days their dirty little secret is going to get > around and everyone will know how crappy their stuff > is. > > BTW - Does anyone have the service manual or > schematics for a JVC S-VHS vcr model HR-S8000U. It's > a great unit that died a couple years ago after 10 > years of faithful service. I'd love to get it back up > and running. Can't find VCRs of this quality anymore. > Not as nice as that Toshiba SV-F990 that someone > brought up earlier, but, pretty good. I checked my > 1989 Audio magazine buyers guide and the Toshiba was > $1999 retail. My JVC was $1599 retail. It's amazing > how cheap VCRs are today, but then again, the quality > just isn't there. > > Scott J. > > > --- Ron wrote: > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for VHS, > > with a Sony SLV-595 > > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, but > > I must say that I like the > > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to be a > > Sony > > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 times > > before > > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to give > > him > > trouble. > > > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read > > complained > > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I > > feel, is > > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's warranty > > on this > > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I > > didn't even > > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go for > > (if > > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the Panasonic > > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at least, > > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) and > > reasonable build quality. > > > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are > > Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > > Just about all of the models they have yet made > > are many times better than > > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last couple > > of years, and the top > > > models are better than the best SVHS decks ever > > made by anyone. > > > > True. But not much use to people that already have a > > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded > > cassettes. > > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other way > > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > > Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one selling > > right now for $315 but the > > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an awesome > > machine! For any who have > > > > never seen one, the pictures and description > > provided are quite good. > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Jul 11 02:44:52 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:44:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Message-ID: <20020710.204453.-439397.0.josephj69@juno.com> Has anyone here ever seen these?: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen them. Anyone know if they're any good? I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Thu Jul 11 15:20:20 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:20:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D0@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> I have three friends that had 27" Toshiba's. One I fixed as the Electroyltics were going bad and after replacing the bad one''s he only got one more year before other failures occurred. The other two friends got 5 years or so then various problems occurred. I do not care for Toshiba's longevity either. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Scott Johnson [mailto:p9019 at yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. Yeah, Toshiba is another company that I avoid like the plague. I've never had any A/V equipment from them, fortunately. A friend had a 27" TV from them and there was a big greenish blotch in the upper right area. No, he didn't play with magnets on the tube. His brother had another model of Toshiba TV that was even worse. It was so bad he had them replace the picture tube, twice! Scott J. --- Ron wrote: > Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:03:31 -0400 > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > Yes, Sony reliability and Service do look bad -- > until > you sample the crap Toshiba dishes out and their > sleazy > Service people. > > -- Ron > > > Scott Johnson wrote: > > > > Stephen, > > I'm surprised to hear that you like the Sony 8mm > VCRs. > > Aren't they made with the same substandard > components > > that all their other crap is made from. For > example > > the SMT electrolytic caps that are run too close > to > > their maximum rating and last just long enough to > get > > it past the warranty period. Which by the way is > > probably the shortest in the industry (90 days, > come > > on.) > > > > I've had so many problems with Sony crap, I will > never > > buy another, period! You name it, 32" TV, > repaired 3 > > times. Two car stereo head units, one replaced > under > > warranty, the other is limping along, but, it > > developes a new problem every year. Two bad car > CD > > changers. MD record failed just after 1 year. > The > > only thinks of Sony that still work are my clock > radio > > (free from Discover card) and my 18 year old 12" > TV. > > The TV will probably last forever, but, I'm sure > the > > clock radio will die soon (probably tonight!). > > > > So many friends want me to look at their broken > Sony > > products it's not even funny. I can't believe > they > > are still such a big player in the market. One of > > these days their dirty little secret is going to > get > > around and everyone will know how crappy their > stuff > > is. > > > > BTW - Does anyone have the service manual or > > schematics for a JVC S-VHS vcr model HR-S8000U. > It's > > a great unit that died a couple years ago after 10 > > years of faithful service. I'd love to get it > back up > > and running. Can't find VCRs of this quality > anymore. > > Not as nice as that Toshiba SV-F990 that someone > > brought up earlier, but, pretty good. I checked > my > > 1989 Audio magazine buyers guide and the Toshiba > was > > $1999 retail. My JVC was $1599 retail. It's > amazing > > how cheap VCRs are today, but then again, the > quality > > just isn't there. > > > > Scott J. > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 22:20:59 -0400 > > > From: Ron > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > For the record, I am using an NEC DX3500 for > VHS, > > > with a Sony SLV-595 > > > > secondary. I like the Toshiba SV-F990 a lot, > but > > > I must say that I like the > > > > Sony SLV-R5 & SLV-R1000 decks even better. > > > > > > I am surprised. A friend of mine, that used to > be a > > > Sony > > > buff, had to replace his brand new SLV-R5 3 > times > > > before > > > he got one that worked well. It never ceased to > give > > > him > > > trouble. > > > > > > As to the SLV-R1000, every review I have read > > > complained > > > about the excessively soft picture (sharpness, I > > > feel, is > > > the whole point of going to S-VHS). Sony's > warranty > > > on this > > > $1000 machine is 90 days -- when I saw that, I > > > didn't even > > > bother to audition (er... vidition?) it. > > > > > > The one VCR in this price range that I would go > for > > > (if > > > forced by my SV-F990 demise), will be the > Panasonic > > > AG-1960 or its successor. Not as good, but at > least, > > > very respectable picture quality (TBC and all) > and > > > reasonable build quality. > > > > > > > But the very finest VCR's, in my opinion, are > > > Sony's 8mm & Hi8mm decks. > > > > Just about all of the models they have yet > made > > > are many times better than > > > > any VHS deck that's been made in the last > couple > > > of years, and the top > > > > models are better than the best SVHS decks > ever > > > made by anyone. > > > > > > True. But not much use to people that already > have a > > > collection of a few hundred S-VHS recorded > > > cassettes. > > > Due to this history, I am forced to go the other > way > > > and transfer Hi-8 camcorder tapes to S-VHS. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking > Dog > > > Transducer Co. > > > > http://stephensank.com > > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > > > stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > > > > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Roland Alford" > > > > To: > > > > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:56 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCR issue. > > > > > > > > > Re: the Toshiba SV-F990 -- There's one > selling > > > right now for $315 but the > > > > > reserve is not met. It looks like an > awesome > > > machine! For any who have > > > > > never seen one, the pictures and description > > > provided are quite good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1364550930 > > > > > > > > > > --Roland > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 11 15:36:07 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 09:36:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: <20020710.204453.-439397.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3D2D89C7.8F5D09F4@rcn.com> josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > - Joe Most cables are made with OFC. It is so common, many do not bother to mention the fact. OFC (vs. non-OFC) has no effect on the sound, but is said to assure longevity of the cable. Personally, I have over 30 year old cheapo interconnects that work as well as they always did. I have no idea whether they are made with OFC. These seem mechanically robust. As such, they are probably worth $15 (same price range as RS interconnects). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 11 16:28:23 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:28:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts ... connections ? References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020709010912.00a1b9c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D2D9607.390B4DF7@rcn.com> Ezio wrote: > Dears , thanks to Stephen suggestions to Neal I dare to ask : > 1) which kind of gauge have the cables you use to connect your beloved > Nakamichi decks to the Pre ? This is a loaded question, as cable wars are raging all over the audio related internet NGs and occasionally even in this email list. The following represents my own personal opinion, based on *my* experience and Engineering knowledge. Others may respond with the exact opposite. > 1-a) is there any appreciable difference between different gauges ? Within reason, wire gauge has no bearing on interconnect performance. It should be less than 14AWG (to preclude skin effect), but thick enough to be mechanically robust. Resistance is of little or no consequence. Capacitance, however, is important. > 2) does your RCA connectors are somehow ''special'' I mean ... like ... > amagnetic , golden or whatsoever peculiarity they claim ? Gold plating prevents tarnishing and looks good, but has zero sonic effect. Magnetic properties of the connector are immaterial. For digital and video signals, connectors should be fully coaxial and have an impedance as close as possible to 75 ohms. For audio use, these are immaterial. Due to mechanical considerations, split pin and split collar connectors tend to make better connections. But, IMO, such connectors are far from worth the price premium. > 3) is there a brand you prefer / consider superior for cables and > connectors respectively ? Sonically, for audio use, any old RCA connector will sound EXACTLY the same. Many *claim* this is not so. No one has ever proved such claims. For digital and/or video use (and for audio, if you like the feel of better quality): Philmore makes twist-on RCA connectors for about $2 apiece. Canare makes much nicer crimp connectors for about $3 each (but you need fairly expensive tools to install them) and Cardas makes a range of more expensive connectors. Also, WBT makes ridiculously expensive connectors that I would never consider using. > I am going to wire the connections of a new system and I have already seen > expensive Audio Technica OFC large gauge cables 2.5$ a ft. (retail) and > amagnetic RCA plugs 8$ each For audio use, these are ridiculous prices. If you have to hook up a complete home theater system (or maybe two or three -- to justify the cost of the tools) and prefer making your own interconnects, do consider using Belden 1506A cable (about $0.70 a ft.) or Belden 89259 (a buck and a quarter or so per ft.) with Canare RCA crimp connectors for all (audio, video and digital) interconnects. While these are an overkill, final price will still be reasonable and you'll end up with very nice looking system and (even the purists will agree) sonically, second to none. > What do you think is it worth spending for highly conductive barely 0 > impedence connections ? If you mean, zero RESISTANCE, this is important for speaker cables only. If you mean zero IMPEDANCE, then this is not desirable at all. For audio, resistance should be reasonably low and capacitance should be as low as possible. For digital and video use, impedance should be constant 75 ohms (or 110 ohms for AES/EBU), not zero. The cost? For the ultimate do-it-yourself cables for a complete HT system (roughly, 50 cables or so), the cost of the interconnects mentioned above will be around $600, including Canare tools -- much less if you have 2 or 3 systems to hook up. -- Ron > > You opinions and suggestions will be much appreciated. > > Ezio > > At 11:36 AM 7/8/02 -0600, you wrote: > >I have to think that there are cheaper sources elsewhere in the world, but > >the best suggestions I can make are http://www.welbornelabs.com/parts.htm or > >http://www.percyaudio.com/ with the first being more likely to do > >international than the second. > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >http://stephensank.com > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Neal Walker" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:25 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts > > > > > > > I was hoping to order some parts for an upgrade i am doing on my EAR 834P. > > > it would include Elna Cerafine caps etc. i was wondering who i could get > >in > > > touch with. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neal > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Thu Jul 11 16:47:50 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 10:47:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> The interconnects you receive in the box with product do have inferior sound, roll off the top end a little and can muddy the bass. The OFC, silver and other quality cables will better pass the frequencies resulting is a clearer more defined top end and bass. In a high end system a difference can be heard. These OFC Nak cables sound like a good deal to me and the price is right. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 9:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > - Joe Most cables are made with OFC. It is so common, many do not bother to mention the fact. OFC (vs. non-OFC) has no effect on the sound, but is said to assure longevity of the cable. Personally, I have over 30 year old cheapo interconnects that work as well as they always did. I have no idea whether they are made with OFC. These seem mechanically robust. As such, they are probably worth $15 (same price range as RS interconnects). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Thu Jul 11 17:36:03 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:36:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts ... connections ? In-Reply-To: <3D2D9607.390B4DF7@rcn.com> References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020709010912.00a1b9c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020711112842.01648450@mail.verizon.net> 7/11/02: > >For digital and video signals, connectors should be >fully coaxial and have an impedance as close as >possible to 75 ohms. For audio use, these are >immaterial. > >-- Ron ============ Not necessarily, Ron In an otherwise mindless review of my cables, which I hadn't intended for digital linking, unshielded silver had unexpectedly good results in that application: Review here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/stager_e.html ________________ Marc Stager Stager Silver Solids: http://marc.stager.com/silver/ Audio engineer for Naumburg Concerts in Central Park http://naumburgconcerts.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donlindich at attbi.com Thu Jul 11 17:49:36 2002 From: donlindich at attbi.com (Don Lindich) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:49:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: Put me under the "snake oil" column regarding expensive interconnects and speaker wire. It's never been proven to make a difference in scientificaly controlled listening tests. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From donlindich at attbi.com Thu Jul 11 17:52:06 2002 From: donlindich at attbi.com (Don Lindich) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:52:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox In-Reply-To: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: I have a Nak LX-3 that has been in and out of the shop a lot, and I think I may just retire or roof-test it rather than fix it again. I have a chance to pick up a Revox B-215 at a favorable price. I am obviously dealing with Nakamichi fans here (of which I am one) but I have heard great things about the B-215. Does anyone have any real-world experience with them? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Thu Jul 11 17:59:00 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:59:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Revox Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158857@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> The Revox B-215 is an excellent machine, period. Raul -----Original Message----- From: Don Lindich [mailto:donlindich at attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 5:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Revox I have a Nak LX-3 that has been in and out of the shop a lot, and I think I may just retire or roof-test it rather than fix it again. I have a chance to pick up a Revox B-215 at a favorable price. I am obviously dealing with Nakamichi fans here (of which I am one) but I have heard great things about the B-215. Does anyone have any real-world experience with them? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 11 18:18:01 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:18:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3D2DAFB9.42D79614@rcn.com> Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced static in a significant way. However, it rotted in time, which was why I had gone back to the original ReVox mat. Having no real experience in this, I just noted at the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay mat. Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut with a center hole the size of a record label, and an upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, with holes roughly 1/16" square. The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much again, Graham. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 11 18:41:27 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:41:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts ... connections ? References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020709010912.00a1b9c0@box.tin.it> <5.1.0.14.2.20020711112842.01648450@mail.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3D2DB537.4FD30FA9@rcn.com> Marc Stager wrote: > > 7/11/02: > > > > > For digital and video signals, connectors should be > > fully coaxial and have an impedance as close as > > possible to 75 ohms. For audio use, these are > > immaterial. > > > > -- Ron > > ============ > > Not necessarily, Ron > > In an otherwise mindless review of my cables, which I > hadn't intended for digital linking, unshielded silver had > unexpectedly good results in that application: > > Review here: > http://www.tnt-audio.com/accessories/stager_e.html > > ________________ Marc Stager > > Stager Silver Solids: > http://marc.stager.com/silver/ > > Audio engineer for Naumburg Concerts in Central Park > http://naumburgconcerts.org/ Marc, not to get into the usual arguments and counter arguments, but this is *not* a matter of opinion or listening tests. It's pointless to argue with Physics. Impedance mismatch causes standing waves, period. In digital interconnects, performance is binary: it either works (error rate zero or close to it) -- or it doesn't (high error rate). If it does work and the error rate is zero, no further improvement is possible. Since home digital interconnect are very short and carry low frequency signals at high level, they are not critical. Most (if not all) of them work; therefore, THEY ALL SOUND IDENTICAL. This is why even incorrect cables 'work'. As to the claim that they sound 'better' or different' -- that's hilarious. One could just as well claim that the earth is flat (just look out your window. Can't you *see* that it is?) 'nough said. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Thu Jul 11 19:45:30 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 19:45:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: Maybe but I simply can hear difference. And I don't care than - I know what's better for my taste ;-) Misha >Put me under the "snake oil" column regarding expensive interconnects and >speaker wire. It's never been proven to make a difference in scientificaly >controlled listening tests. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jul 11 18:57:18 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 11:57:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <20020710.204453.-439397.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Joe, There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Has anyone here ever seen these?: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen them. Anyone know if they're any good? I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jul 11 19:05:18 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 12:05:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats In-Reply-To: <3D2DAFB9.42D79614@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, What you said about this mat makes good sense and I am not happy with the felt mat that was included with my Music Hall MMF-7. Where can I purchase one of these? Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:18 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced static in a significant way. However, it rotted in time, which was why I had gone back to the original ReVox mat. Having no real experience in this, I just noted at the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay mat. Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut with a center hole the size of a record label, and an upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, with holes roughly 1/16" square. The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much again, Graham. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Thu Jul 11 19:05:00 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:05:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Revox References: Message-ID: <004601c228fd$18241510$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Buy the B215, you won't be disappointed. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Lindich" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Revox > I have a Nak LX-3 that has been in and out of the shop a lot, and I think I > may just retire or roof-test it rather than fix it again. I have a chance > to pick up a Revox B-215 at a favorable price. I am obviously dealing with > Nakamichi fans here (of which I am one) but I have heard great things about > the B-215. Does anyone have any real-world experience with them? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 11 19:36:11 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:36:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: Message-ID: <3D2DC20B.96525C64@rcn.com> write to Graham. His latest post: | If you need to contact me, please send e-mails to | [graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] , as normal AND | COPY THEM to graham.nelson at alliance-leicester.co.uk | | Please do NOT attach any files to this or write and | obscenities! ;o) That's 'cos it's a work e-mail address | and my employer is very touchy about private e-mails. | This is necessary as a temporary measure as my home PC | is going off line for as long as it takes to get the | darned thing fixed .... | | Cheers | | Graham -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Ron, > > What you said about this mat makes good sense and I am not happy with the > felt mat that was included with my Music Hall MMF-7. Where can I purchase > one of these? > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:18 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats > > Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about > TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 > for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original > ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been > using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced > static in a significant way. However, it rotted in > time, which was why I had gone back to the original > ReVox mat. > > Having no real experience in this, I just noted at > the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two > things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static > and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback > and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another > and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, > made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay > mat. > > Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut > with a center hole the size of a record label, and an > upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over > the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact > with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, > with holes roughly 1/16" square. > > The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly > and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was > pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk > anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the > speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the > TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane > feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) > > Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now > lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up > dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the > brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. > > What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, > sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better > defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat > has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that > the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). > > In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much > again, Graham. > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 11 19:50:51 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:50:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: <3D2DC57B.1997B08D@rcn.com> Michael, Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant at the higher audio frequencies. To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the wire center and concentrates the current at the outer surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth are not materially affected by skin effect. At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Joe, > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > josephj69 at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jul 11 20:58:34 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:58:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <3D2DC57B.1997B08D@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron. In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 1/8" ) frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the larger the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the signal. Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of the conductor to transmit current. To create a skin-effect the frequency has to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the conductor to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. I do not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael, Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant at the higher audio frequencies. To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the wire center and concentrates the current at the outer surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth are not materially affected by skin effect. At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Joe, > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > josephj69 at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jul 11 21:22:51 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 14:22:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <3D2DC57B.1997B08D@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, I did some more research and found this article which confirms your findings. Here is the link to the web site. http://www.magnan.com/buffs.shtml The author agrees with your statement in that thinner wire does reduce time smear in the audio based on skin effect properties. The skin effect at audio frequencies is quite small so I am still hard pressed in that an audible difference can be heard but maybe so. I would have to do a measurement comparison of thin wire verses thick for delays and then determine if a difference can be heard. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael, Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant at the higher audio frequencies. To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the wire center and concentrates the current at the outer surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth are not materially affected by skin effect. At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Joe, > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > josephj69 at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 11 22:03:49 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:03:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> <3D2DAFB9.42D79614@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D2DE4A5.3020901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> You aren't becoming a convert to snake oil and secret tweaking, are you Ron? Have you read about the guy in Hi-Fi News who reckons that you should put your audio leads into liquid helium (or whatever) to improve the crystal structure? John the gleeful cynic. Ron wrote: >Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about >TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 >for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original >ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been >using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced >static in a significant way. However, it rotted in >time, which was why I had gone back to the original >ReVox mat. > >Having no real experience in this, I just noted at >the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two >things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static >and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback >and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another >and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, >made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay >mat. > >Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut >with a center hole the size of a record label, and an >upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over >the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact >with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, >with holes roughly 1/16" square. > >The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly >and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was >pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk >anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the >speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the >TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane >feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) > >Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now >lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up >dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the >brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. > >What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, >sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better >defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat >has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that >the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). > >In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much >again, Graham. > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 11 22:13:49 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 21:13:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: <3D2DE6FD.9090701@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Thu Jul 11 22:29:59 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:29:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats In-Reply-To: <3D2DE4A5.3020901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c22919$bb51d9e0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Ha!, I was thinking the same thing. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Turntable mats You aren't becoming a convert to snake oil and secret tweaking, are you Ron? Have you read about the guy in Hi-Fi News who reckons that you should put your audio leads into liquid helium (or whatever) to improve the crystal structure? John the gleeful cynic. Ron wrote: >Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about >TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 >for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original >ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been >using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced >static in a significant way. However, it rotted in >time, which was why I had gone back to the original >ReVox mat. > >Having no real experience in this, I just noted at >the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two >things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static >and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback >and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another >and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, >made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay >mat. > >Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut >with a center hole the size of a record label, and an >upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over >the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact >with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, >with holes roughly 1/16" square. > >The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly >and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was >pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk >anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the >speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the >TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane >feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) > >Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now >lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up >dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the >brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. > >What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, >sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better >defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat >has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that >the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). > >In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much >again, Graham. > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Thu Jul 11 23:22:07 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:22:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08DE@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> In my experiencing playing with different wires, Audioquest, AR, MIT, Transparent and Home made Wires they all have a clearer and cleaner top end and tighter bass in listening over the generic cables. Now the difference between the $50 and $5000 cables are in the soundfield presentation. People with really high end setups swear by this. I pretty much hear the same results with all the wires mentioned above, I cannot afford the expensive ones so I buy used cables and have spent up to $100 for Transparent MusicLink Plus cables. Stephen Sank has recommended LATinternational to me and they are rated very good and their prices are much more reasonable than others. You can also purchase Belden silver coated wire and build your own very good sounding cables even cheaper. You can also buy Canare for video. There is something with the high end systems but it works with psycoaccustics and having the speakers in the correct place in the room and sitting in the correct location. By moving speakers and where you sit you can also effect how full and spacous the music sounds. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Ron, Michael I intuitively feel that 'time smearing' is the right line of argument. Why? I reckon that much of what we don't understand about audio is because we use frequency domain analysis when we should be concentrating on the time-domain performance of systems, especially the human auditory system. Traditional circuit analysis is based around frequency response. In any use of frequency analysis or Fourier transforms, it is implicit that averaging must take place. For your frequency analysis to be valid, the signal must have stationary statistics across the averaging period. On the other hand, the human ear has probably evolved to be very, very good at detecting certain types of transient signal. After all, surely it developed first and foremost as a tool for survival? Michael E DeWire wrote: Ron, I did some more research and found this article which confirms your findings. Here is the link to the web site. http://www.magnan.com/buffs.shtml The author agrees with your statement in that thinner wire does reduce time smear in the audio based on skin effect properties. The skin effect at audio frequencies is quite small so I am still hard pressed in that an audible difference can be heard but maybe so. I would have to do a measurement comparison of thin wire verses thick for delays and then determine if a difference can be heard. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael, Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant at the higher audio frequencies. To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the wire center and concentrates the current at the outer surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth are not materially affected by skin effect. At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: Joe, There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Has anyone here ever seen these?: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr &1030855415 Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen them. Anyone know if they're any good? I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Jul 12 00:30:54 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 17:30:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08DE@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: Kurtis, I cannot agree with you more regarding speaker placement and sitting in the correct location. I have noticed that even the slightest movement in speaker location, height, and toe in can make a dramatic difference in sound field, imaging, and bass much more than even the most expensive cable in my opinion. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bahr, Kurtis Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In my experiencing playing with different wires, Audioquest, AR, MIT, Transparent and Home made Wires they all have a clearer and cleaner top end and tighter bass in listening over the generic cables. Now the difference between the $50 and $5000 cables are in the soundfield presentation. People with really high end setups swear by this. I pretty much hear the same results with all the wires mentioned above, I cannot afford the expensive ones so I buy used cables and have spent up to $100 for Transparent MusicLink Plus cables. Stephen Sank has recommended LATinternational to me and they are rated very good and their prices are much more reasonable than others. You can also purchase Belden silver coated wire and build your own very good sounding cables even cheaper. You can also buy Canare for video. There is something with the high end systems but it works with psycoaccustics and having the speakers in the correct place in the room and sitting in the correct location. By moving speakers and where you sit you can also effect how full and spacous the music sounds. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Ron, Michael I intuitively feel that 'time smearing' is the right line of argument. Why? I reckon that much of what we don't understand about audio is because we use frequency domain analysis when we should be concentrating on the time-domain performance of systems, especially the human auditory system. Traditional circuit analysis is based around frequency response. In any use of frequency analysis or Fourier transforms, it is implicit that averaging must take place. For your frequency analysis to be valid, the signal must have stationary statistics across the averaging period. On the other hand, the human ear has probably evolved to be very, very good at detecting certain types of transient signal. After all, surely it developed first and foremost as a tool for survival? Michael E DeWire wrote: Ron, I did some more research and found this article which confirms your findings. Here is the link to the web site. http://www.magnan.com/buffs.shtml The author agrees with your statement in that thinner wire does reduce time smear in the audio based on skin effect properties. The skin effect at audio frequencies is quite small so I am still hard pressed in that an audible difference can be heard but maybe so. I would have to do a measurement comparison of thin wire verses thick for delays and then determine if a difference can be heard. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [ mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael, Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant at the higher audio frequencies. To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the wire center and concentrates the current at the outer surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth are not materially affected by skin effect. At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: Joe, There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [ mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Has anyone here ever seen these?: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen them. Anyone know if they're any good? I just agreed to buy them. 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Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Fri Jul 12 03:14:32 2002 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 18:14:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress References: <2100.1022709216@www49.gmx.net> Message-ID: <00d701c22941$7e7dc560$18388ed1@D74G7711> Hi All, I received tape last night. I just recorded my selection & will forward to Kent tomorrow. I recorded Bruce Cockburn's.."Child Of The Wind". It was recorded on my CR7A from CD played on a Pioneer Elite CLD-95 (laser disc player)! . It was a tough decision...CR7A or ZX-9?....and even more so the selection. There's so much great music to choose from.....but this one has a special place in my heart. I chose the CR7A because the CD's recording is not particularly "bright" & I think the CR7 is a little crisper than the ZX-9. Other sources would probably benefit from the Z. This gear is very "group friendly"...being Stephen Sank's dearly departed CLD-95 & Ed Noyes (dearly departed) CR7A! Have fun! Warm Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Jul 12 04:14:56 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 22:14:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress References: <2100.1022709216@www49.gmx.net> <00d701c22941$7e7dc560$18388ed1@D74G7711> Message-ID: <3D2E3B9D.D8CEEC1F@snet.net> How interesting... I was planning on adding Bruce Cockburn's "Incandescent Dream" from a great vinyl pressing that I have and here you recorded a Bruce Cockburn selection... on my old deck no less! Ed Rob Hamilton wrote: > Hi All, I received tape last night. I just recorded my selection & will > forward to Kent tomorrow. I recorded Bruce Cockburn's.."Child Of The Wind". > It was recorded on my CR7A from CD played on a Pioneer Elite CLD-95 (laser > disc player)! . It was a tough decision...CR7A or ZX-9?....and even more so > the selection. There's so much great music to choose from.....but this one > has a special place in my heart. I chose the CR7A because the CD's recording > is not particularly "bright" & I think the CR7 is a little crisper than the > ZX-9. Other sources would probably benefit from the Z. This gear is very > "group friendly"...being Stephen Sank's dearly departed CLD-95 & Ed Noyes > (dearly departed) CR7A! Have fun! Warm Regards, Rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jul 12 01:43:28 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 01:43:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts ... connections ? In-Reply-To: <3D2D9607.390B4DF7@rcn.com> References: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C22C@CPT-01> <5.1.0.14.2.20020709010912.00a1b9c0@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712013452.00a652f0@box.tin.it> WOW ! Thanks Ron, now I have '' 1 week job '' looking for the Belden (I know them ... being used and appreciated by radio amateurs ....) cables and Canare RCA plugs. Reg. impedance ... you are right .. I was intending barely 0 resistance + barely 0 capacitance ... pardon me ! I am degreed in Economics ... he he he he he he ;o) ... with electronics as an hobby ... but the Law of Ohm never fully entered my brain ... he he he he he ! ;o) Ciao Ezio P.S.: everybody should forgive me for the highly ''flammable'' question I have made .... still quite interesting ... Ciao At 10:28 AM 7/11/02 -0400, you wrote: >Ezio wrote: > > > Dears , thanks to Stephen suggestions to Neal I dare to ask : > > 1) which kind of gauge have the cables you use to connect your beloved > > Nakamichi decks to the Pre ? > >This is a loaded question, as cable wars are raging >all over the audio related internet NGs and occasionally >even in this email list. The following represents my own >personal opinion, based on *my* experience and Engineering >knowledge. Others may respond with the exact opposite. > > > 1-a) is there any appreciable difference between different gauges ? > >Within reason, wire gauge has no bearing on interconnect >performance. It should be less than 14AWG (to preclude >skin effect), but thick enough to be mechanically >robust. Resistance is of little or no consequence. >Capacitance, however, is important. > > > 2) does your RCA connectors are somehow ''special'' I mean ... like ... > > amagnetic , golden or whatsoever peculiarity they claim ? > >Gold plating prevents tarnishing and looks good, but >has zero sonic effect. Magnetic properties of the >connector are immaterial. > >For digital and video signals, connectors should be >fully coaxial and have an impedance as close as >possible to 75 ohms. For audio use, these are >immaterial. > >Due to mechanical considerations, split pin and split collar >connectors tend to make better connections. But, IMO, such >connectors are far from worth the price premium. > > > 3) is there a brand you prefer / consider superior for cables and > > connectors respectively ? > >Sonically, for audio use, any old RCA connector will >sound EXACTLY the same. Many *claim* this is not so. No >one has ever proved such claims. > >For digital and/or video use (and for audio, if you like >the feel of better quality): Philmore makes twist-on RCA >connectors for about $2 apiece. Canare makes much nicer >crimp connectors for about $3 each (but you need fairly >expensive tools to install them) and Cardas makes a range >of more expensive connectors. Also, WBT makes ridiculously >expensive connectors that I would never consider using. > > > I am going to wire the connections of a new system and I have already seen > > expensive Audio Technica OFC large gauge cables 2.5$ a ft. (retail) and > > amagnetic RCA plugs 8$ each > >For audio use, these are ridiculous prices. If you >have to hook up a complete home theater system (or maybe >two or three -- to justify the cost of the tools) and >prefer making your own interconnects, do consider using >Belden 1506A cable (about $0.70 a ft.) or Belden 89259 >(a buck and a quarter or so per ft.) with Canare RCA >crimp connectors for all (audio, video and digital) >interconnects. While these are an overkill, final price >will still be reasonable and you'll end up with very nice >looking system and (even the purists will agree) sonically, >second to none. > > > What do you think is it worth spending for highly conductive barely 0 > > impedence connections ? > >If you mean, zero RESISTANCE, this is important for >speaker cables only. If you mean zero IMPEDANCE, then >this is not desirable at all. > >For audio, resistance should be reasonably low and >capacitance should be as low as possible. For digital >and video use, impedance should be constant 75 ohms >(or 110 ohms for AES/EBU), not zero. > >The cost? For the ultimate do-it-yourself cables for a >complete HT system (roughly, 50 cables or so), the cost >of the interconnects mentioned above will be around >$600, including Canare tools -- much less if you have 2 >or 3 systems to hook up. > >-- Ron > > > > > > You opinions and suggestions will be much appreciated. > > > > Ezio > > > > At 11:36 AM 7/8/02 -0600, you wrote: > > >I have to think that there are cheaper sources elsewhere in the world, but > > >the best suggestions I can make are > http://www.welbornelabs.com/parts.htm or > > >http://www.percyaudio.com/ with the first being more likely to do > > >international than the second. > > > > > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > >http://stephensank.com > > >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Neal Walker" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:25 AM > > >Subject: [naktalk] Electrical parts > > > > > > > > > > I was hoping to order some parts for an upgrade i am doing on my > EAR 834P. > > > > it would include Elna Cerafine caps etc. i was wondering who i > could get > > >in > > > > touch with. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Neal > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Fri Jul 12 10:38:09 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 04:38:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats Message-ID: <197180-2200275128389722@M2W034.mail2web.com> Snake oil, huh?! This is no snake oil. Presently, I'm making the mats with a single sheet of slightly thicker material - same stuff as before. Reason being I can't presently source the thinner stuff. However, I reckon my single sheet thicker mat is just as good ... This material IS, I believe, far better than rubber, paper, Sorbothane, cork, or whatever combination of the above you'd like to manufacture. If you doubting Thomas's would like to try it out, call my bluff! Special money-back Call My Bluff price of ... no selling on this List - contact me off it if you dare!!! ;o) Graham "The Mat Man"! PS I'm still off line and only able to pick up messages every few days so don't expect a fast return on messages ... or anything else come to that! Gra' Original Message: ----------------- From: John bjgrady at pacbell.net Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 13:29:59 -0700 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Turntable mats Ha!, I was thinking the same thing. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Turntable mats You aren't becoming a convert to snake oil and secret tweaking, are you Ron? Have you read about the guy in Hi-Fi News who reckons that you should put your audio leads into liquid helium (or whatever) to improve the crystal structure? John the gleeful cynic. Ron wrote: >Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about >TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 >for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original >ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been >using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced >static in a significant way. However, it rotted in >time, which was why I had gone back to the original >ReVox mat. > >Having no real experience in this, I just noted at >the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two >things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static >and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback >and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another >and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, >made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay >mat. > >Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut >with a center hole the size of a record label, and an >upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over >the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact >with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, >with holes roughly 1/16" square. > >The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly >and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was >pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk >anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the >speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the >TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane >feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) > >Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now >lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up >dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the >brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. > >What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, >sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better >defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat >has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that >the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). > >In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much >again, Graham. > >-- Ron > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From emte at mail.md Fri Jul 12 14:25:37 2002 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:25:37 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats Message-ID: <200207121225.g6CCPai27488@ad.md> Mat Man, what is this magic material? *** Original Message: > Snake oil, huh?! This is no snake oil. Presently, I'm >making the mats with a single sheet of slightly thicker >material - same stuff as before. Reason being I can't >presently source the thinner stuff. However, I reckon my >single sheet thicker mat is just as good ... > This material IS, I believe, far better than rubber, paper, >Sorbothane, cork, or whatever combination of the above you'd >like to manufacture. If you doubting Thomas's would like to >try it out, call my bluff! Special money-back Call My Bluff >price of ... no selling on this List - contact me off it if you >dare!!! ;o) > Graham "The Mat Man"! > > PS > I'm still off line and only able to pick up messages every few days so don't expect a fast return on messages ... or anything else come to that! > > Gra' > ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Jul 12 15:08:57 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:08:57 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: <197180-2200275128389722@M2W034.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <027b01c229a6$bb60fa00$a3299bca@smarzuki> Is this the same famous Gra-Mat which will be available free for all M2 participants ?? =) SM ----- Original Message ----- From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Turntable mats Snake oil, huh?! This is no snake oil. Presently, I'm making the mats with a single sheet of slightly thicker material - same stuff as before. Reason being I can't presently source the thinner stuff. However, I reckon my single sheet thicker mat is just as good ... This material IS, I believe, far better than rubber, paper, Sorbothane, cork, or whatever combination of the above you'd like to manufacture. If you doubting Thomas's would like to try it out, call my bluff! Special money-back Call My Bluff price of ... no selling on this List - contact me off it if you dare!!! ;o) Graham "The Mat Man"! PS I'm still off line and only able to pick up messages every few days so don't expect a fast return on messages ... or anything else come to that! Gra' Original Message: ----------------- From: John bjgrady at pacbell.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Fri Jul 12 15:45:24 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:45:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats Message-ID: <232810-220027512134524838@M2W088.mail2web.com> Don't know the composition of the material. I can tell you it's sold in various gauges, usually in small sizes for use in the home or in the car as anti-slip mats. It comes in various colours too. However, I understand that some of the coloured varieties - e.g. red, dark blue and green - may leech the chemicals used to colour them into vinyl, possibly harming precious records. Therefore, I now only recommend using the natural version of the mat, which is a kind of dark grey colour. The physical property of the material grips whatever is placed upon it and stops sideways movement. Thus, a mat made from this stuff acts a lot like a record clamp except it does not distort the shape of the record in the way record clamps can do. Roll it into a ball and drop it and it doesn't bounce - thus, it seems to have similar energy absorbing properties to Sorbothane, too. Presently, I am able to purchase a small supply of short rolls of the stuff, from which I've made a few mats for friends and for some beer money. (This isn't a business ... at the moment!) Well ... you read the review of the recording made on my old Goldring Lenco with a modest Ortofon M40 and original Lenco arm? That was done using one of these mats instead of the original Lenco rubber mat, which make the music seem dull by comparison. Not the only mod' on the TT, of course, but I think it's a significant one over the old rubber mat. It doesn't work so well with my Pink Triangle but that's because the Rega arm on it is not height adjustable, I think. Terry Bateman @ Rega is taking a look at it for use with their TTs. Gra' Original Message: ----------------- From: marin turea emte at mail.md Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:25:37 +0300 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Turntable mats Mat Man, what is this magic material? *** -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Fri Jul 12 15:48:44 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:48:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 2 progress Message-ID: <13780-220027512134844829@M2W060.mail2web.com> Regret to report Tape 2 progress has been delayed on account of my losing the frontal lobe of my brain and thereafter sending John W the wrong tape ..... sorry guys. This PC problem isn't helping, either. (Got to get off this one sharpish before I get the sack!) Graham -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kurtis.bahr at lmco.com Fri Jul 12 15:56:36 2002 From: kurtis.bahr at lmco.com (Bahr, Kurtis) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:56:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Message-ID: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08E2@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> This IS what I actually meant. I didn't state it very strong as this was referring to cable. I believe having a good cable delivers to best signal to the speakers and getting a quality cable is important. I have middle of the line Transparent Audio MusicLink Plus and MusicWave Plus and feel no need for the more expensive cables. Finding the placement in the room is critical. I have spent some time in my room moving the speakers also in an attempt of finding the correct position to go with the room accoustics. Good cables get the full sound to the speaker and speaker placement allows the sound from the speaker to match with the room accoustics so you can get flat response with a good soundfield. My psycoaccoustic comment was just referring to the human ability to process the soundfield, guess it was a bad choice of words. My problem is I have three kids between 7 and 11 so the room is not only mine. I have to put the speakers back after I listen so they don't get accidentally distroyed. I have IMF's and it's not easy finding parts. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: Michael E DeWire [mailto: ] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Kurtis, I cannot agree with you more regarding speaker placement and sitting in the correct location. I have noticed that even the slightest movement in speaker location, height, and toe in can make a dramatic difference in sound field, imaging, and bass much more than even the most expensive cable in my opinion. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bahr, Kurtis Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:22 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In my experiencing playing with different wires, Audioquest, AR, MIT, Transparent and Home made Wires they all have a clearer and cleaner top end and tighter bass in listening over the generic cables. Now the difference between the $50 and $5000 cables are in the soundfield presentation. People with really high end setups swear by this. I pretty much hear the same results with all the wires mentioned above, I cannot afford the expensive ones so I buy used cables and have spent up to $100 for Transparent MusicLink Plus cables. Stephen Sank has recommended LATinternational to me and they are rated very good and their prices are much more reasonable than others. You can also purchase Belden silver coated wire and build your own very good sounding cables even cheaper. You can also buy Canare for video. There is something with the high end systems but it works with psycoaccustics and having the speakers in the correct place in the room and sitting in the correct location. By moving speakers and where you sit you can also effect how full and spacous the music sounds. Kurtis -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 4:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Ron, Michael I intuitively feel that 'time smearing' is the right line of argument. Why? I reckon that much of what we don't understand about audio is because we use frequency domain analysis when we should be concentrating on the time-domain performance of systems, especially the human auditory system. Traditional circuit analysis is based around frequency response. In any use of frequency analysis or Fourier transforms, it is implicit that averaging must take place. For your frequency analysis to be valid, the signal must have stationary statistics across the averaging period. On the other hand, the human ear has probably evolved to be very, very good at detecting certain types of transient signal. After all, surely it developed first and foremost as a tool for survival? Michael E DeWire wrote: Ron, I did some more research and found this article which confirms your findings. Here is the link to the web site. http://www.magnan.com/buffs.shtml The author agrees with your statement in that thinner wire does reduce time smear in the audio based on skin effect properties. The skin effect at audio frequencies is quite small so I am still hard pressed in that an audible difference can be heard but maybe so. I would have to do a measurement comparison of thin wire verses thick for delays and then determine if a difference can be heard. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael, Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant at the higher audio frequencies. To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the wire center and concentrates the current at the outer surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth are not materially affected by skin effect. At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: Joe, There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com ]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Has anyone here ever seen these?: http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr &1030855415 Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen them. Anyone know if they're any good? I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jul 12 17:45:51 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:45:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT Turntable mats References: <232810-220027512134524838@M2W088.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3D2EF9AF.1040207@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> This stuff is known as Tack-Mat (I'm not sure of the spelling) to seafarers around the world. Every wardroom or galley or mess dining table has one of these for each place setting. They are the only way to stop your lunch landing in your lap when it gets a little bouncy in the NW approaches. Doesn't work so well if the officer of the watch and the first Lieutenant have just tried to merge the ship with Australia though. (Poor old HMS Nottingham) nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com wrote: >Don't know the composition of the material. I can tell you it's sold in >various gauges, usually in small sizes for use in the home or in the car as >anti-slip mats. It comes in various colours too. However, I understand >that some of the coloured varieties - e.g. red, dark blue and green - may >leech the chemicals used to colour them into vinyl, possibly harming >precious records. Therefore, I now only recommend using the natural >version of the mat, which is a kind of dark grey colour. > >The physical property of the material grips whatever is placed upon it and >stops sideways movement. Thus, a mat made from this stuff acts a lot like >a record clamp except it does not distort the shape of the record in the >way record clamps can do. Roll it into a ball and drop it and it doesn't >bounce - thus, it seems to have similar energy absorbing properties to >Sorbothane, too. Presently, I am able to purchase a small supply of short >rolls of the stuff, from which I've made a few mats for friends and for >some beer money. (This isn't a business ... at the moment!) > >Well ... you read the review of the recording made on my old Goldring Lenco >with a modest Ortofon M40 and original Lenco arm? That was done using one >of these mats instead of the original Lenco rubber mat, which make the >music seem dull by comparison. Not the only mod' on the TT, of course, but >I think it's a significant one over the old rubber mat. > >It doesn't work so well with my Pink Triangle but that's because the Rega >arm on it is not height adjustable, I think. > >Terry Bateman @ Rega is taking a look at it for use with their TTs. > >Gra' > > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: marin turea emte at mail.md >Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:25:37 +0300 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] Turntable mats > > > > >Mat Man, what is this magic material? > > >*** > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 12 20:13:57 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:13:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: <3D2F1C65.A084A5F@rcn.com> Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Ron. > > In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 1/8" ) > frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the > signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% > will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal > flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance > of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the larger > the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the > signal. For maximum transmission, yes. However, in the high quality audio cables world, we are not concerned with maximum transmission, but with linearity of response. IOW, it is not important that we get maximum response at a specific frequency, but, rather, that we get the same response at all frequencies. Thus, we'd like a cable that is not subject to skin effect at all. This would be met by cables that are THINNER than the skin depth at the frequency range of interest. > Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of > the conductor to transmit current. This is a very general statement, that (like all general statements) is incorrect... To be more specific (as befits us, engineers): Skin depth (SD) is a function of frequency, such that SD=2.6/SQR(F), where SD is in inches. Calculate at 20KHz (supposedly, the highest frequency of interest) and you'll find that SD=0.018". Meaning, response of wires thicker than 18AWG starts to diminish at and above 20KHz. > To create a skin-effect the frequency has > to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the conductor > to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing > current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current > density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of > 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. As you can see from the equation above, skin effect may seem insignificant to one dealing in RF and higher frequencies. However, in this elist, we are dealing with audio. > I do > not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. Well, since wires 18AWG and thinner are not affected by skin effect, I agree that it is a non issue as far as interconnects are concerned. However, when comparing speaker cables of, say, 20AWG vs. 12AWG, many people do report that the thinner speaker cable sounds brighter. Generally, the effect can account to about 1db droop at 20KHz. If you can't hear it (I'm saying 'if' because you did not state that you can't hear it, only that you *think* you can't hear it), then count you blessings -- you're very lucky. Regards, -- Ron > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Michael, > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > at the higher audio frequencies. > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > -- Ron > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be > > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > corrode > > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant > > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to > > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > buying > > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > cheap > > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > hundreds > > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > lot > > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > money > > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > it > > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > and > > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > engineer > > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > > > Best, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > josephj69 at juno.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jul 12 20:31:04 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:31:04 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4 RON and the others Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <3D2F1C65.A084A5F@rcn.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712202831.00a21580@box.tin.it> Ron, what do you think about having THICK cables (20 gauges) composed by hundreds of extremely thin conductors ? In my ignorance I guess it would solve in a compromise between having good conduction (transmission of signal) and low skin effect ... am I wrong ? Ezio At 02:13 PM 7/12/02 -0400, you wrote: >Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > Ron. > > > > In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 1/8" ) > > frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the > > signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% > > will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal > > flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance > > of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the > larger > > the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the > > signal. > >For maximum transmission, yes. However, in the high >quality audio cables world, we are not concerned with >maximum transmission, but with linearity of response. >IOW, it is not important that we get maximum response at >a specific frequency, but, rather, that we get the same >response at all frequencies. > >Thus, we'd like a cable that is not subject to skin effect >at all. This would be met by cables that are THINNER than >the skin depth at the frequency range of interest. > > > Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of > > the conductor to transmit current. > >This is a very general statement, that (like all general >statements) is incorrect... > >To be more specific (as befits us, engineers): Skin depth >(SD) is a function of frequency, such that SD=2.6/SQR(F), >where SD is in inches. Calculate at 20KHz (supposedly, >the highest frequency of interest) and you'll find that >SD=0.018". Meaning, response of wires thicker than 18AWG >starts to diminish at and above 20KHz. > > > To create a skin-effect the frequency has > > to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the conductor > > to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing > > current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current > > density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of > > 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. > >As you can see from the equation above, skin effect may >seem insignificant to one dealing in RF and higher >frequencies. However, in this elist, we are dealing with >audio. > > > I do > > not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. > >Well, since wires 18AWG and thinner are not affected by >skin effect, I agree that it is a non issue as far as >interconnects are concerned. However, when comparing >speaker cables of, say, 20AWG vs. 12AWG, many people >do report that the thinner speaker cable sounds brighter. >Generally, the effect can account to about 1db droop at >20KHz. If you can't hear it (I'm saying 'if' because you >did not state that you can't hear it, only that you *think* >you can't hear it), then count you blessings -- you're very >lucky. > >Regards, > >-- Ron > > > > > > Best, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > Of Ron > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > Michael, > > > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > > at the higher audio frequencies. > > > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the > wire be > > > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > > corrode > > > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no > significant > > > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many > claim to > > > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > > buying > > > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > > > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > > > > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > > > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > > > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > > cheap > > > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > > > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > > > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > > hundreds > > > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > > lot > > > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > > money > > > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > > it > > > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > > and > > > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > > engineer > > > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Jul 12 22:04:01 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:04:01 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4 RON and the others Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712202831.00a21580@box.tin.it> Message-ID: Hi Ezio, Such a cable has a name - "litz" (litzendrat in Russian). I'm using 630 strands and 150 strands of 0.07mm high purity copper for both interconnects and speaker wires. That's a really good stuff! Misha >Ron, what do you think about having THICK cables (20 gauges) composed by >hundreds of extremely thin conductors ? >In my ignorance I guess it would solve in a compromise between having good >conduction (transmission of signal) and low skin effect ... am I wrong ? > >Ezio -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Jul 12 21:20:28 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 21:20:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4 RON and the others Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712202831.00a21580@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712211835.00a2c910@box.tin.it> Ciao Misha !!! So I had a good idea ... I am bi-wired with this stuff , but it is not fitting the ''connection'' requirements ... Still I cannot figure how to do them ... still studying ... Ciao. Ezio At 10:04 PM 7/12/02 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Ezio, > >Such a cable has a name - "litz" (litzendrat in Russian). I'm using 630 >strands >and 150 strands of 0.07mm high purity copper for both interconnects and >speaker wires. That's a really good stuff! > >Misha > > > >Ron, what do you think about having THICK cables (20 gauges) composed by > >hundreds of extremely thin conductors ? > >In my ignorance I guess it would solve in a compromise between having good > >conduction (transmission of signal) and low skin effect ... am I wrong ? > > > >Ezio > >-- >______________________________________ > http://www.pravda.com.ua > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jul 12 22:34:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:34:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Revox References: Message-ID: <002601c229e3$864d67d0$712f2ac4@CopyTech> As Raul told you, I have to second that. It is a unique machine, period. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Lindich" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] Revox > I have a Nak LX-3 that has been in and out of the shop a lot, and I think I > may just retire or roof-test it rather than fix it again. I have a chance > to pick up a Revox B-215 at a favorable price. I am obviously dealing with > Nakamichi fans here (of which I am one) but I have heard great things about > the B-215. Does anyone have any real-world experience with them? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jul 12 22:37:56 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:37:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: <003501c229e4$04d4ea60$712f2ac4@CopyTech> Besides that, Mike's last name is "DeWire" so, put atention ! ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > Joe, > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not corrode > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned buying > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the cheap > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the hundreds > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a lot > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big money > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and it > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion and > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief engineer > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > Best, > > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > josephj69 at juno.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jul 12 22:43:30 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:43:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress References: <2100.1022709216@www49.gmx.net> <00d701c22941$7e7dc560$18388ed1@D74G7711> Message-ID: <005b01c229e4$ce65de20$712f2ac4@CopyTech> Thanks for your fast decision, Rob. Really appreciate it ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 8:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress > Hi All, I received tape last night. I just recorded my selection & will > forward to Kent tomorrow. I recorded Bruce Cockburn's.."Child Of The Wind". > It was recorded on my CR7A from CD played on a Pioneer Elite CLD-95 (laser > disc player)! . It was a tough decision...CR7A or ZX-9?....and even more so > the selection. There's so much great music to choose from.....but this one > has a special place in my heart. I chose the CR7A because the CD's recording > is not particularly "bright" & I think the CR7 is a little crisper than the > ZX-9. Other sources would probably benefit from the Z. This gear is very > "group friendly"...being Stephen Sank's dearly departed CLD-95 & Ed Noyes > (dearly departed) CR7A! Have fun! Warm Regards, Rob > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cestmoi at worldnet.att.net Fri Jul 12 22:03:57 2002 From: cestmoi at worldnet.att.net (Richard Obenauf) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 14:03:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TV issue. In-Reply-To: References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201B97@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20020712140230.00a887f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Don't know about the Toshiba, but we used to have an early solid-state Zenith that did this exact same thing. My uncle, a TV repairman, fixed it in less than 5 minutes at Thanksgiving dinner... Richard At 09:12 PM 7/8/02 -0500, you wrote: >OK, here is another OT, this time re: TV ... > >A year ago I bought from my friend his 26" Toshiba TV. It is a 14 year-old >model, which seemed to work fine until a few weeks ago. Now, after a minute >or so of playing the picture seems to slowly dim, and then the screen goes >blank. I can still hear the sound very well, and am able to switch the >channels. Once I shot down the unit, wait 10 or so minutes, I can turn it >back on and get the picture going again (for a minute or so ...) > >My question - is it worth fixing? Is there anything simple I can try - a >home remedy that might work? > >Stan Richard Obenauf cestmoi at att.net +1 505 220 0506 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Jul 12 22:15:39 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:15:39 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <3D2F1C65.A084A5F@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, Ok so you have forced me to think outside of the box and I respect that and learned something as well. However I still stand along with many engineers that skin effect is negligible at audio frequencies and therefore my statement is not incorrect in that current is virtually transmitted along the entire cross sectional area of a conductor. After all this is a forum to share opinions, not a classroom where there is one expert to grade the others. You speak of a 1dB loss of signal at 20KHz with 12AWG speaker wire according to your calculations, which I am sure is correct. However the point is who is going to hear that? Most men over a certain age usually 21 or over begin a steady decline in high frequency loss. Most men over 40 are lucky to hear 15Khz so what is the point in a 1dB loss at 20KHz. Also how many speakers in combination with room acoustics are that flat to where a slight difference would be audible. The other point is that using thinner speaker wire for the benefit that you mentioned would only work with a very short length from amp to speakers beyond that there would be too much resistance loss. I do not intend to argue with you but my point is that all of the money spent on high-end interconnects and speaker wire is too much of an investment to justify the value. I would rather spend my money on better hardware and music, which is what all of this about and that is, "to enjoy the music." If you sell high-end interconnects or speaker wire, I did not mean to step on your toes. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Ron. > > In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 1/8" ) > frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the > signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% > will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal > flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance > of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the larger > the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the > signal. For maximum transmission, yes. However, in the high quality audio cables world, we are not concerned with maximum transmission, but with linearity of response. IOW, it is not important that we get maximum response at a specific frequency, but, rather, that we get the same response at all frequencies. Thus, we'd like a cable that is not subject to skin effect at all. This would be met by cables that are THINNER than the skin depth at the frequency range of interest. > Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of > the conductor to transmit current. This is a very general statement, that (like all general statements) is incorrect... To be more specific (as befits us, engineers): Skin depth (SD) is a function of frequency, such that SD=2.6/SQR(F), where SD is in inches. Calculate at 20KHz (supposedly, the highest frequency of interest) and you'll find that SD=0.018". Meaning, response of wires thicker than 18AWG starts to diminish at and above 20KHz. > To create a skin-effect the frequency has > to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the conductor > to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing > current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current > density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of > 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. As you can see from the equation above, skin effect may seem insignificant to one dealing in RF and higher frequencies. However, in this elist, we are dealing with audio. > I do > not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. Well, since wires 18AWG and thinner are not affected by skin effect, I agree that it is a non issue as far as interconnects are concerned. However, when comparing speaker cables of, say, 20AWG vs. 12AWG, many people do report that the thinner speaker cable sounds brighter. Generally, the effect can account to about 1db droop at 20KHz. If you can't hear it (I'm saying 'if' because you did not state that you can't hear it, only that you *think* you can't hear it), then count you blessings -- you're very lucky. Regards, -- Ron > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Michael, > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > at the higher audio frequencies. > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > -- Ron > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire be > > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > corrode > > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no significant > > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim to > > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > buying > > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > cheap > > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > hundreds > > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > lot > > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > money > > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > it > > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > and > > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > engineer > > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > > > Best, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > josephj69 at juno.com > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 12 22:20:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:20:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 4 RON and the others Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020712202831.00a21580@box.tin.it> Message-ID: <3D2F3A15.62B2A733@rcn.com> Ezio, you are absolutely right. This kind of cable construction is called Litz wire and is common in RF applications. In audio, it is generally not needed (though, the tweeter in my speakers is wired with 4 or 6 20AWG wires braided together). -- Ron Ezio wrote: > > Ron, what do you think about having THICK cables (20 gauges) composed by > hundreds of extremely thin conductors ? > In my ignorance I guess it would solve in a compromise between having good > conduction (transmission of signal) and low skin effect ... am I wrong ? > > Ezio > > At 02:13 PM 7/12/02 -0400, you wrote: > >Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > Ron. > > > > > > In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 1/8" ) > > > frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the > > > signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% > > > will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal > > > flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance > > > of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the > > larger > > > the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the > > > signal. > > > >For maximum transmission, yes. However, in the high > >quality audio cables world, we are not concerned with > >maximum transmission, but with linearity of response. > >IOW, it is not important that we get maximum response at > >a specific frequency, but, rather, that we get the same > >response at all frequencies. > > > >Thus, we'd like a cable that is not subject to skin effect > >at all. This would be met by cables that are THINNER than > >the skin depth at the frequency range of interest. > > > > > Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of > > > the conductor to transmit current. > > > >This is a very general statement, that (like all general > >statements) is incorrect... > > > >To be more specific (as befits us, engineers): Skin depth > >(SD) is a function of frequency, such that SD=2.6/SQR(F), > >where SD is in inches. Calculate at 20KHz (supposedly, > >the highest frequency of interest) and you'll find that > >SD=0.018". Meaning, response of wires thicker than 18AWG > >starts to diminish at and above 20KHz. > > > > > To create a skin-effect the frequency has > > > to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the conductor > > > to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing > > > current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current > > > density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of > > > 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. > > > >As you can see from the equation above, skin effect may > >seem insignificant to one dealing in RF and higher > >frequencies. However, in this elist, we are dealing with > >audio. > > > > > I do > > > not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. > > > >Well, since wires 18AWG and thinner are not affected by > >skin effect, I agree that it is a non issue as far as > >interconnects are concerned. However, when comparing > >speaker cables of, say, 20AWG vs. 12AWG, many people > >do report that the thinner speaker cable sounds brighter. > >Generally, the effect can account to about 1db droop at > >20KHz. If you can't hear it (I'm saying 'if' because you > >did not state that you can't hear it, only that you *think* > >you can't hear it), then count you blessings -- you're very > >lucky. > > > >Regards, > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf > > Of Ron > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > > > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > > > at the higher audio frequencies. > > > > > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > > > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > > > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > > > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > > > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > > > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > > > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > > > > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > > > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > > > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the > > wire be > > > > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > > > corrode > > > > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no > > significant > > > > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many > > claim to > > > > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > > > buying > > > > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > > > > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > > > > > > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > > > > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > > > > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > > > cheap > > > > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > > > > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get suckered > > > > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > > > hundreds > > > > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > > > lot > > > > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > > > money > > > > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > > > it > > > > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > > > and > > > > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > > > engineer > > > > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Michael > > Ezio Lucenti > > Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Jul 12 22:23:54 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:23:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TV issue. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20020712140230.00a887f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: Richard, Sounds like a high voltage problem in that the high voltage pack is just about shot. This is an assembly of capacitors and diodes that create the anode voltage on the picture tube. It is a common failure on any TV set over time. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Richard Obenauf Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TV issue. Don't know about the Toshiba, but we used to have an early solid-state Zenith that did this exact same thing. My uncle, a TV repairman, fixed it in less than 5 minutes at Thanksgiving dinner... Richard At 09:12 PM 7/8/02 -0500, you wrote: >OK, here is another OT, this time re: TV ... > >A year ago I bought from my friend his 26" Toshiba TV. It is a 14 year-old >model, which seemed to work fine until a few weeks ago. Now, after a minute >or so of playing the picture seems to slowly dim, and then the screen goes >blank. I can still hear the sound very well, and am able to switch the >channels. Once I shot down the unit, wait 10 or so minutes, I can turn it >back on and get the picture going again (for a minute or so ...) > >My question - is it worth fixing? Is there anything simple I can try - a >home remedy that might work? > >Stan Richard Obenauf cestmoi at att.net +1 505 220 0506 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Jul 12 23:47:51 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:47:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: <001101c229ed$c9ef8220$b42f2ac4@CopyTech> After all this is a forum to > share opinions, not a classroom where there is one expert to grade the > others. Mike, I second you on this since this is a topic that I have always defended. > If you sell high-end interconnects or speaker wire, I did not mean to step > on your toes. No, I'm 100% sure that Ron is against the "snake oil" wires and stupidly priced cables. Both of you are tuned in the same channel. Perhaps is just an small disagreement in some theory ... Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 12 22:52:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:52:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> <3D2DAFB9.42D79614@rcn.com> <3D2DE4A5.3020901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D2F4195.D490ECDF@rcn.com> I differentiate between snake oil and engineering based improvements. The original ReVox mat is a rubber molding that violates the technical requirements from a TT mat (their over resonant platter is not ideal, either): it's far too hard and it's an almost perfect insulator. Graham's mat seems to have overcome both these shortcomings. I see it as better engineering design, rather than a tweak. BTW, the idea of putting conductors in liquid helium is not new. Cooling metal causes it to super-conduct (meaning, the resistance goes next to zero). This is akin to using silver, though the advantage would be much higher (making silver wires, in *my* book, an expensive, useless tweak). Of course, there is no reason why lowering wire resistance will lead to any sonic improvement whatsoever, except in speaker cables, where super-cooling is impractical. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > You aren't becoming a convert to snake oil and secret tweaking, are you > Ron? Have you read about the guy in Hi-Fi News who reckons that you > should put your audio leads into liquid helium (or whatever) to improve > the crystal structure? > > John the gleeful cynic. > > Ron wrote: > > >Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about > >TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 > >for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original > >ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been > >using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced > >static in a significant way. However, it rotted in > >time, which was why I had gone back to the original > >ReVox mat. > > > >Having no real experience in this, I just noted at > >the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two > >things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static > >and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback > >and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another > >and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, > >made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay > >mat. > > > >Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut > >with a center hole the size of a record label, and an > >upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over > >the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact > >with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, > >with holes roughly 1/16" square. > > > >The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly > >and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was > >pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk > >anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the > >speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the > >TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane > >feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) > > > >Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now > >lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up > >dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the > >brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. > > > >What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, > >sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better > >defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat > >has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that > >the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). > > > >In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much > >again, Graham. > > > >-- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 12 23:07:07 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:07:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: <3D2DE6FD.9090701@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D2F44FB.4FF9ABFE@rcn.com> The human auditory system is frequency domain based. In the final sensory stage, sound is resolved by a huge number of resonators, each tuned to a slightly different frequency. Intuitively, it seems to me that frequency domain analysis is the better approach to understanding psychoacoustic phenomena. Be that as it may, we have mathematical tools that allow us to easily transform between the two. Note that skin effect (even if audible) is purely resistive. I am not sure how 'time smearing' (that suggests phase distortion) would relate to it. -- Ron > John Walker wrote: > > Ron, Michael > I intuitively feel that 'time smearing' is the right line of argument. Why? > I reckon that much of what we don't understand about audio is because we use > frequency domain analysis when we should be concentrating on the > time-domain performance of systems, especially the human auditory system. > Traditional circuit analysis is based around frequency response. In any use > of frequency analysis or Fourier transforms, it is implicit that averaging > must take place. For your frequency analysis to be valid, the signal must > have stationary statistics across the averaging period. On the other hand, > the human ear has probably evolved to be very, very good at detecting > certain types of transient signal. After all, surely it developed first and > foremost as a tool for survival? > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > Ron, > > > > I did some more research and found this article which confirms your > > findings. Here is the link to the web site. > > > > http://www.magnan.com/buffs.shtml > > > > The author agrees with your statement in that thinner wire does reduce > > time > > smear in the audio based on skin effect properties. The skin effect at > > audio > > frequencies is quite small so I am still hard pressed in that an audible > > difference can be heard but maybe so. I would have to do a measurement > > comparison of thin wire verses thick for delays and then determine if a > > difference can be heard. > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > > > Michael, > > > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > > at the higher audio frequencies. > > > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > >> Joe, > >> > >> There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire > >> be > >> of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > >> > >> > > corrode > > > > > >> at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no > >> significant > >> increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim > >> to > >> improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > >> > >> > > buying > > > > > >> a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > >> frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > >> > >> Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > >> interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > >> last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > >> > >> > > cheap > > > > > >> interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > >> cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get > >> suckered > >> into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > >> > >> > > hundreds > > > > > >> of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > >> > >> > > lot > > > > > >> of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > >> > >> > > money > > > > > >> on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > >> > >> > > it > > > > > >> will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > >> > >> > > and > > > > > >> I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > >> > >> > > engineer > > > > > >> and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > >> > >> Best, > >> > >> Michael > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >> josephj69 at juno.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > >> To: naktalk at naks.com > >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > >> > >> Has anyone here ever seen these?: > >> > >> http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > >> > >> Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > >> them. Anyone know if they're any good? > >> > >> I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > >> > >> - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Jul 12 23:09:16 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:09:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> <3D2DAFB9.42D79614@rcn.com> <3D2DE4A5.3020901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D2F4195.D490ECDF@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D2F457C.9000705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 12 23:28:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:28:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? References: Message-ID: <3D2F49F6.536C3BD8@rcn.com> Michael, As I said in my first response, I do agree with your assertions about high end cables. (Speaker cables in my system came form Home Depot -- 12AWG OFC cables, at less than 30 cents/ft.) I was only commenting on the assertion that skin effect is immaterial at audio frequencies. It isn't. Whether the effect is audible is a different matter. I suspect that to many, it isn't. Yet, who would buy an amplifier that droops -1db at 20KHz? Not many, right? I do not see myself as an expert. I do not lecture others. I am here, discussing audio, video and Naks, the same as everyone else. I do not sell cables, interconnects or anything else. Peace, -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Ron, > > Ok so you have forced me to think outside of the box and I respect that and > learned something as well. However I still stand along with many engineers > that skin effect is negligible at audio frequencies and therefore my > statement is not incorrect in that current is virtually transmitted along > the entire cross sectional area of a conductor. After all this is a forum to > share opinions, not a classroom where there is one expert to grade the > others. > > You speak of a 1dB loss of signal at 20KHz with 12AWG speaker wire according > to your calculations, which I am sure is correct. However the point is who > is going to hear that? Most men over a certain age usually 21 or over begin > a steady decline in high frequency loss. Most men over 40 are lucky to hear > 15Khz so what is the point in a 1dB loss at 20KHz. Also how many speakers in > combination with room acoustics are that flat to where a slight difference > would be audible. The other point is that using thinner speaker wire for the > benefit that you mentioned would only work with a very short length from amp > to speakers beyond that there would be too much resistance loss. > > I do not intend to argue with you but my point is that all of the money > spent on high-end interconnects and speaker wire is too much of an > investment to justify the value. I would rather spend my money on better > hardware and music, which is what all of this about and that is, "to enjoy > the music." > > If you sell high-end interconnects or speaker wire, I did not mean to step > on your toes. > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > Ron. > > > > In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 > 1/8" ) > > frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the > > signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% > > will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal > > flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance > > of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the > larger > > the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the > > signal. > > For maximum transmission, yes. However, in the high > quality audio cables world, we are not concerned with > maximum transmission, but with linearity of response. > IOW, it is not important that we get maximum response at > a specific frequency, but, rather, that we get the same > response at all frequencies. > > Thus, we'd like a cable that is not subject to skin effect > at all. This would be met by cables that are THINNER than > the skin depth at the frequency range of interest. > > > Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of > > the conductor to transmit current. > > This is a very general statement, that (like all general > statements) is incorrect... > > To be more specific (as befits us, engineers): Skin depth > (SD) is a function of frequency, such that SD=2.6/SQR(F), > where SD is in inches. Calculate at 20KHz (supposedly, > the highest frequency of interest) and you'll find that > SD=0.018". Meaning, response of wires thicker than 18AWG > starts to diminish at and above 20KHz. > > > To create a skin-effect the frequency has > > to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the > conductor > > to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing > > current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current > > density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of > > 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. > > As you can see from the equation above, skin effect may > seem insignificant to one dealing in RF and higher > frequencies. However, in this elist, we are dealing with > audio. > > > I do > > not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. > > Well, since wires 18AWG and thinner are not affected by > skin effect, I agree that it is a non issue as far as > interconnects are concerned. However, when comparing > speaker cables of, say, 20AWG vs. 12AWG, many people > do report that the thinner speaker cable sounds brighter. > Generally, the effect can account to about 1db droop at > 20KHz. If you can't hear it (I'm saying 'if' because you > did not state that you can't hear it, only that you *think* > you can't hear it), then count you blessings -- you're very > lucky. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > Best, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > Michael, > > > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > > at the higher audio frequencies. > > > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire > be > > > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > > corrode > > > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no > significant > > > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim > to > > > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > > buying > > > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > > > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > > > > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > > > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > > > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > > cheap > > > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > > > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get > suckered > > > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > > hundreds > > > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > > lot > > > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > > money > > > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > > it > > > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > > and > > > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > > engineer > > > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > josephj69 at juno.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > > > > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > > > > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > > > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > > > > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > > > > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Jul 12 23:32:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 17:32:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Turntable mats References: <0C73AA5F720CD311AC2A0008C7DBA9B406CF08D4@emss09m13.ems.lmco.com> <3D2DAFB9.42D79614@rcn.com> <3D2DE4A5.3020901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D2F4195.D490ECDF@rcn.com> <3D2F457C.9000705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D2F4AFE.BF7D38EA@rcn.com> Ahh... Thanks for the correction. No, I haven't heard this one. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Sorry Ron, you misunderstood what I was trying to say - they do not try to > use the wires at cryogenic temperature as superconductors (now that system > would be worth seeing!) - they dip them in and take them out. It's like a > form of heat treatment. The writer believed that it produced a clearly > audible effect. > > Ron wrote: > > > I differentiate between snake oil and engineering based > > improvements. The original ReVox mat is a rubber molding > > that violates the technical requirements from a TT mat > > (their over resonant platter is not ideal, either): it's > > far too hard and it's an almost perfect insulator. > > Graham's mat seems to have overcome both these > > shortcomings. I see it as better engineering design, > > rather than a tweak. > > > > BTW, the idea of putting conductors in liquid helium is > > not new. Cooling metal causes it to super-conduct (meaning, > > the resistance goes next to zero). This is akin to using > > silver, though the advantage would be much higher (making > > silver wires, in *my* book, an expensive, useless tweak). > > Of course, there is no reason why lowering wire resistance > > will lead to any sonic improvement whatsoever, except in > > speaker cables, where super-cooling is impractical. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > > >> You aren't becoming a convert to snake oil and secret tweaking, are you > >> Ron? Have you read about the guy in Hi-Fi News who reckons that you > >> should put your audio leads into liquid helium (or whatever) to improve > >> the crystal structure? > >> > >> John the gleeful cynic. > >> > >> Ron wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > Some time ago, we had here a short discussion about > >> > TT mats, initiated because someone on ebay wanted $35 > >> > for a TT mat. At the time, I was using the original > >> > ReVox mat on my B791. Previous to that, I had been > >> > using an after market $5 black foam mat, that reduced > >> > static in a significant way. However, it rotted in > >> > time, which was why I had gone back to the original > >> > ReVox mat. > >> > > >> > Having no real experience in this, I just noted at > >> > the time that, theoretically, a mat should only two > >> > things. A) be conductive enough to eliminate static > >> > and B) be pliable enough to reduce acoustic feedback > >> > and damp platter resonance. One thing led to another > >> > and Graham Nelson sent me one of his hand-made mats, > >> > made of the same (or similar) material as the ebay > >> > mat. > >> > > >> > Graham's mat is made in two layers: the base, cut > >> > with a center hole the size of a record label, and an > >> > upper layer, with a center hole that fits snugly over > >> > the platter spindle and makes good electrical contact > >> > with it. The material is soft, molded 'plasticy' net, > >> > with holes roughly 1/16" square. > >> > > >> > The mat made an obvious difference. First, it clearly > >> > and dramatically reduced acoustical feedback, that was > >> > pretty bad with previous mats. Before, I couldn't walk > >> > anywhere in the room without hearing my steps from the > >> > speakers. Now, I have to be within 2 or 3 ft. from the > >> > TT to hear it at all. (I still plan to add Sorbothane > >> > feet, to see if further improvement is possible.) > >> > > >> > Second, static has been all but eliminated. I can now > >> > lower a velvet brush onto a rotating LP, to pick up > >> > dust. Previously, the dust would accumulate under the > >> > brush, but would adhere to the LP in lumps. > >> > > >> > What is most noteworthy, though, is a subtle, but finite, > >> > sonic improvement. the sound is 'rounder' and better > >> > defined. This jibes with theory, suggesting that the mat > >> > has indeed reduced platter resonance (and implying that > >> > the ReVox platter is too resonant to begin with). > >> > > >> > In all, a very worthwhile improvement to my TT. Thanks much > >> > again, Graham. > >> > > >> > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sat Jul 13 04:55:17 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 19:55:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak M-Tapes (M-Tapes Webpage Status) Message-ID: Greetings..... Just updated the page with Rob Hamilton's contribution. M-Tape 1 progresses smoothly, M-Tape 2 has yet to gain momentum. Graham, what's going on over in the UK, summer holiday season or something? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html I'm also wondering whether any M-Tapers will send digital images of their goodies for posting on the webpage. We have a few, but more are welcome. How about some lively snapshots of you all with your Nakamichi gear! Regarding component interconnects, I've been using the original Nakamichi cables that came with my three cassette decks, with quite satisfactory results. Am I missing out on anything by not upgrading to something a bit more esoteric and expensive? I'll answer my own question - Not a bit; I simply cannot imagine Nakamichi selling their excellent cassette decks during the 1980s with anything less than top quality cables. If they came with the decks, they must be good enough for the discerning enthusiast. I keep the interconnect plugs well cleaned, and I'm pleased with the performance. The music I've been playing for years sounds splendid. I'm a happy fellow. Have a great weekend, my friends! Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Sat Jul 13 05:46:09 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 22:46:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? In-Reply-To: <3D2F49F6.536C3BD8@rcn.com> Message-ID: Ron, It's Cool! This wound up being a good topic of discussion and I do appreciate the debate and learned a few things as well. I am just stubborn about certain things. Take care, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:28 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? Michael, As I said in my first response, I do agree with your assertions about high end cables. (Speaker cables in my system came form Home Depot -- 12AWG OFC cables, at less than 30 cents/ft.) I was only commenting on the assertion that skin effect is immaterial at audio frequencies. It isn't. Whether the effect is audible is a different matter. I suspect that to many, it isn't. Yet, who would buy an amplifier that droops -1db at 20KHz? Not many, right? I do not see myself as an expert. I do not lecture others. I am here, discussing audio, video and Naks, the same as everyone else. I do not sell cables, interconnects or anything else. Peace, -- Ron Michael E DeWire wrote: > > Ron, > > Ok so you have forced me to think outside of the box and I respect that and > learned something as well. However I still stand along with many engineers > that skin effect is negligible at audio frequencies and therefore my > statement is not incorrect in that current is virtually transmitted along > the entire cross sectional area of a conductor. After all this is a forum to > share opinions, not a classroom where there is one expert to grade the > others. > > You speak of a 1dB loss of signal at 20KHz with 12AWG speaker wire according > to your calculations, which I am sure is correct. However the point is who > is going to hear that? Most men over a certain age usually 21 or over begin > a steady decline in high frequency loss. Most men over 40 are lucky to hear > 15Khz so what is the point in a 1dB loss at 20KHz. Also how many speakers in > combination with room acoustics are that flat to where a slight difference > would be audible. The other point is that using thinner speaker wire for the > benefit that you mentioned would only work with a very short length from amp > to speakers beyond that there would be too much resistance loss. > > I do not intend to argue with you but my point is that all of the money > spent on high-end interconnects and speaker wire is too much of an > investment to justify the value. I would rather spend my money on better > hardware and music, which is what all of this about and that is, "to enjoy > the music." > > If you sell high-end interconnects or speaker wire, I did not mean to step > on your toes. > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 1:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > Ron. > > > > In the world of TV RF rigid transmission lines are larger at UHF ( 6 > 1/8" ) > > frequencies than at VHF ( 3 1//4 ) for more efficient transmission of the > > signal based on the properties of skin effect that you stated in that 63% > > will conduct on the outer edge of the wire. For example a 1 MHz signal > > flowing through copper will have 63% of the current flow within a distance > > of .007cm at the outer edge of the wire. It would make sense that the > larger > > the diameter of the wire would offer more surface area to transmit the > > signal. > > For maximum transmission, yes. However, in the high > quality audio cables world, we are not concerned with > maximum transmission, but with linearity of response. > IOW, it is not important that we get maximum response at > a specific frequency, but, rather, that we get the same > response at all frequencies. > > Thus, we'd like a cable that is not subject to skin effect > at all. This would be met by cables that are THINNER than > the skin depth at the frequency range of interest. > > > Audio frequencies virtually use the entire cross sectional area of > > the conductor to transmit current. > > This is a very general statement, that (like all general > statements) is incorrect... > > To be more specific (as befits us, engineers): Skin depth > (SD) is a function of frequency, such that SD=2.6/SQR(F), > where SD is in inches. Calculate at 20KHz (supposedly, > the highest frequency of interest) and you'll find that > SD=0.018". Meaning, response of wires thicker than 18AWG > starts to diminish at and above 20KHz. > > > To create a skin-effect the frequency has > > to be high enough to create a magnetic field at the center of the > conductor > > to create a significant impedance to charge carriers therefore decreasing > > current density in the center of the conductor and increasing current > > density near the edge. This effect is insignificant under a frequency of > > 100KHz or less according to all of the engineering books I have read. > > As you can see from the equation above, skin effect may > seem insignificant to one dealing in RF and higher > frequencies. However, in this elist, we are dealing with > audio. > > > I do > > not think it would be audible in any way at least not to my ears. > > Well, since wires 18AWG and thinner are not affected by > skin effect, I agree that it is a non issue as far as > interconnects are concerned. However, when comparing > speaker cables of, say, 20AWG vs. 12AWG, many people > do report that the thinner speaker cable sounds brighter. > Generally, the effect can account to about 1db droop at > 20KHz. If you can't hear it (I'm saying 'if' because you > did not state that you can't hear it, only that you *think* > you can't hear it), then count you blessings -- you're very > lucky. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > Best, > > > > Michael > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 12:51 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > Michael, > > > > Of course, I agree with everything you said, but do have > > a comment concerning skin effect. It *can* be significant > > at the higher audio frequencies. > > > > To alleviate skin effect, the wire should be *thinner* > > (not thicker). Skin effect limits current close to the > > wire center and concentrates the current at the outer > > surface. It is common to define the 'skin depth' as the > > outer layer that carries approximately 2/3 of the current. > > Obviously, wires that are *thinner* than the skin depth > > are not materially affected by skin effect. > > > > At 20KHz, skin depth is such that wires thinner than > > 14AWG are immune to skin effect. Thus it is not an issue > > for interconnects, but can be a factor in speaker cables. > > > > -- Ron > > > > Michael E DeWire wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > There is a price performance issue in any interconnect in that the wire > be > > > of good quality OFC, reasonable gauge, and gold connectors will not > > corrode > > > at least not in ones average lifetime. Beyond that there is no > significant > > > increase in benefit in buying esoteric high buck cables that many claim > to > > > improve performance. I noticed that one person on this site mentioned > > buying > > > a thicker cable to reduce skin-effect. This law only refers to RF > > > frequencies and has no effect in the audio range. > > > > > > Yes I think it is a good investment to buy a good 15 to 25 dollar > > > interconnect that meets the above requirements in that they will usually > > > last and not develop bad connections or open circuits like many of the > > cheap > > > interconnects that come bundled with most audio equipment. The 15 dollar > > > cables you bought I am sure is a good investment. Just don't get > suckered > > > into thinking that if you buy a more expensive interconnects in the > > hundreds > > > of dollar price range you will get that much more performance. I think a > > lot > > > of that is psychological in that the thinking is, if I just spent big > > money > > > on interconnects or speaker wires the music just has to sound better and > > it > > > will to the listener to justify the big expense. This is just my opinion > > and > > > I am sure some will disagree but I am a broadcast television chief > > engineer > > > and base my findings on engineering practices and experience. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > josephj69 at juno.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:45 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak OFC interconnects? > > > > > > Has anyone here ever seen these?: > > > > > > http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?cablintr&1030855415 > > > > > > Were these made for car audio or something? I swear I've never seen > > > them. Anyone know if they're any good? > > > > > > I just agreed to buy them. At $15 apiece, I figure it's worth a shot. > > > > > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From donlindich at attbi.com Sat Jul 13 06:25:46 2002 From: donlindich at attbi.com (Don Lindich) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 00:25:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] In praise of this group Message-ID: Gotta say, I am new to this group but very impressed! Most discussion groups and message boards have a mix of trolls and rabid fans who don't tolerate the mention or praise of a competing product. (The Infiniti G35 message board I frequent comes to mind, where BMW owners come to slam our cars.) When I asked about the Revox B-215, I was half expecting responses like, "Anything but a Nak is a POS." Instead, I get recommendations and support. I have never seen this before. The interconnect thread seemed well discussed without getting nasty, as well. It's nice to find an intelligent and mature discussion group. BTW, if any of you like Ohm Walsh speakers, I have a website about them at http://members.aol.com/walshdriver/index.html Take a look! Don ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Sat Jul 13 09:53:12 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:53:12 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Speaker switching device Message-ID: I cannot switch betwwen A and B speaker systems. A cursory search came up with QED selling such switching devices. Any comments on these models or any alternative suggestions are welcome: MA 30 HIgh Definition Speaker Switch (in parallel) MA 17 Two-way Speaker Switch (in series) MA 15 Two-way Speaker Switch (in parallel) I have no idea how are amplifiers with such switch built -in whether in parallel or in series. What's the difference ? George _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sat Jul 13 13:23:21 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 13:23:21 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] In praise of this group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020713132215.00a26540@box.tin.it> Thanks Don for the nice words ... I am a newcomer too , but I have felt the same .... In Italy we say ... few but good ! ... Ciao. Ezio At 12:25 AM 7/13/02 -0400, you wrote: >Gotta say, I am new to this group but very impressed! Most discussion >groups and message boards have a mix of trolls and rabid fans who don't >tolerate the mention or praise of a competing product. (The Infiniti G35 >message board I frequent comes to mind, where BMW owners come to slam our >cars.) When I asked about the Revox B-215, I was half expecting responses >like, "Anything but a Nak is a POS." Instead, I get recommendations and >support. I have never seen this before. The interconnect thread seemed >well discussed without getting nasty, as well. > >It's nice to find an intelligent and mature discussion group. BTW, if any >of you like Ohm Walsh speakers, I have a website about them at > >http://members.aol.com/walshdriver/index.html > >Take a look! > >Don > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Jul 13 16:37:59 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:37:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Speaker switching device References: Message-ID: <3D303B47.887496A9@rcn.com> The best speaker switch is no switch at all... This is because switch contacts do have resistance and this can only degrade the sound. However, in all but the highest Fi systems, the degradation will most likely not be audible. Note that, if the speakers are not identical, their volume could be different. In a series configuration, the speakers are connected in series, with the switch shorting out one speaker or the other. Disadvantage is that speaker damping is reduced, which, theoretically, is sonically bad. In the 'Both' state, there won't be any damping left to speak of. On the up side, this is the safer configuration as far as the amp is concerned. In a parallel configuration, when either speaker A or B are selected, it's the same as if the selected speaker was directly connected, with the other speaker completely removed. Thus, sonically, this is better than series. However, in the 'Both' mode, the impedance the amp sees is half that of each speaker. This could be unsafe for some amps. Bottom line: 1. If you can avoid speaker switching, do! 2. If your amp can drive low impedance loads and is robust and/or over current protected, use a parallel switcher. 3. If your system is of the highest quality and sonics is of utmost importance to you, use parallel switching even if your amp is not rated for low impedance loads, but avoid playing both speakers concurrently. 4. For the safest configuration, use series switching. -- Ron George Valkov wrote: > > I cannot switch betwwen A and B speaker systems. A cursory search came up > with QED selling such switching devices. Any comments on these models or any > alternative suggestions are welcome: > > MA 30 HIgh Definition Speaker Switch (in parallel) > MA 17 Two-way Speaker Switch (in series) > MA 15 Two-way Speaker Switch (in parallel) > > I have no idea how are amplifiers with such switch built -in whether in > parallel or in series. What's the difference ? > > George ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Jul 13 20:51:55 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 01:51:55 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem Message-ID: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> Hello, Just got a playback-only 700ZXL for a low low price : a/b/l/e functions first few times but won't keep memory after powered off (fresh battery & oranges gone). After some plug-unplug-board attempts now 'level' is flashing at the same time with azimuth indicator and a/b/l/e doesn't even want to complete 'bias' step, lights just went out ... any clue for me ? =) Stephen, is there any way to put 700's able to rest ? (as there's a convenient EX/SX switch unlike 1000) Glimpsed at a/b/l/e board and it doesn't look anything like 1000's. Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e stuff. Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going on. No wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! Best regards, Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Jul 14 02:26:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 19:26:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the 700 and 1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically speaking and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning your self if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 weeks later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as I have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. Carlos > > Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e stuff. > Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going on. No > wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kroger1032 at rogers.com Sun Jul 14 02:29:23 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 20:29:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, looks and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound quality is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen Sank rule! Kevin Rogers > Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the 700 and > 1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically speaking > and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning your self > if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 weeks > later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as I > have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > > > Carlos > > > > > Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e stuff. > > Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going on. > No > > wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > > > Best regards, > > Salim SM > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Sun Jul 14 04:45:46 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 22:45:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver Message-ID: <3D30E5DA.3A07E8FF@warwick.net> Hi All, Can anyone give me any info/opinions on Nakamichi's AV400 audio/video receiver? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: Sat, July 13, 2002 9:46 PM To: Naktalk Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver Hi All, Can anyone give me any info/opinions on Nakamichi's AV400 audio/video receiver? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Sun Jul 14 12:46:12 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 06:46:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver References: Message-ID: <3D315674.1D7DA82@warwick.net> Thanks Stan. So what I gather is that this is not exactly a 'high end' piece of equipment, or at least not comparable to a Nak cassette deck. I don't know much (anything) about Nakamichi's quality when it comes to receivers, or a good one to look for if I wanted to get a Nakamichi receiver. Bill Stan Targowski wrote: > > If my memory serves me right AV300/400/500 was the line made for Best Buy > ... If this is the case, you are talking aboyt $200 unit, slower seller than > similarly priced JVC and Technics units. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bill Wheatley > Sent: Sat, July 13, 2002 9:46 PM > To: Naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver > > Hi All, > Can anyone give me any info/opinions on Nakamichi's AV400 > audio/video receiver? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sun Jul 14 16:49:40 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 09:49:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver In-Reply-To: <3D315674.1D7DA82@warwick.net> Message-ID: Nakamichi used to make very good receivers. Their SR series from the late 80's was pretty good. SR4, SR3, etc. The TA series was also good, TA-4, TA-3 ... - both of these were matching CR series of tape decks. All of these used STASIS technology licensed from Threshold. I still have a matching CR-2 and TA-2. TA-2 is 2x50 Watts, high current receiver, which could easily drive my (then current) Magnepan speakers. I chose it over ADCOM GFA535 and matching Tuner/Preamp - they both sounded pretty close, and TA-2 was matching my deck. I never had any problems with the CR-2 cassette. The TA2 receiver sounded great, when it worked, but it was in the shop at least three times, left channel disappearing, etc. Then there was a Receiver 1 and Receiver 2/3 series, to match Cassette Deck 1,2,3 - these no longer used STASIS (after some conflict between Nakamichi and Threshold), and were not that good. For a while, Nakamichi brand showed up at Appliance stores, like Best Buy in Chicago (mid 90's). From what I understand these are not considered 'Nakamichis' buy the Nak Fans. Best Buy carried 'Nakamichi' Receivers (AV300-500) and CD Players - the line never had matching tape decks. I am less familiar with the more current line. I understand that there may be some good Receiver units, but have no experience with them. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: Sun, July 14, 2002 5:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver Thanks Stan. So what I gather is that this is not exactly a 'high end' piece of equipment, or at least not comparable to a Nak cassette deck. I don't know much (anything) about Nakamichi's quality when it comes to receivers, or a good one to look for if I wanted to get a Nakamichi receiver. Bill Stan Targowski wrote: > > If my memory serves me right AV300/400/500 was the line made for Best Buy > ... If this is the case, you are talking aboyt $200 unit, slower seller than > similarly priced JVC and Technics units. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bill Wheatley > Sent: Sat, July 13, 2002 9:46 PM > To: Naktalk > Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver > > Hi All, > Can anyone give me any info/opinions on Nakamichi's AV400 > audio/video receiver? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Jul 14 18:21:34 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:21:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is incredible, but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, looks > and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound quality > is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen Sank > rule! > > Kevin Rogers > > > > Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the 700 > and > > 1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > speaking > > and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > > properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning your > self > > if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > weeks > > later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as I > > have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e stuff. > > > Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going on. > > No > > > wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 14 18:39:13 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:39:13 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is problematic / sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using the same tape. Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is incredible, but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Rogers" To: Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, looks > and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound quality > is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen Sank > rule! > > Kevin Rogers > > > > Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the 700 > and > > 1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > speaking > > and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > > properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning your > self > > if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > weeks > > later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as I > > have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e stuff. > > > Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going on. > > No > > > wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ == > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Jul 14 18:54:04 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 23:54:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver References: Message-ID: <003701c22b57$1373cae0$87299bca@smarzuki> I think compared to other current receivers, Nak's still sound ok. I used to have midline Yamaha and Denon - and still like Nak sound quality better. Its tuner is different story, only SR4's is comparable to stand alone tuner. The RE-1 line's tuner is below par and AV-2s', although a bit better, is only 'so-so'. I haven't heard the more current AV-7/10 line, but some people complain about the build quality (production already moved down to malaysia ?). If not mistaken, AV500 is similar to AV-2s line and has some positive feedbacks as well. For the money, imho, it should provide better value than technics kenwood etc (and to me, better than yamaha ... not because this is naktalk =). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Targowski To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver Nakamichi used to make very good receivers. Their SR series from the late 80's was pretty good. SR4, SR3, etc. The TA series was also good, TA-4, TA-3 ... - both of these were matching CR series of tape decks. All of these used STASIS technology licensed from Threshold. I still have a matching CR-2 and TA-2. TA-2 is 2x50 Watts, high current receiver, which could easily drive my (then current) Magnepan speakers. I chose it over ADCOM GFA535 and matching Tuner/Preamp - they both sounded pretty close, and TA-2 was matching my deck. I never had any problems with the CR-2 cassette. The TA2 receiver sounded great, when it worked, but it was in the shop at least three times, left channel disappearing, etc. Then there was a Receiver 1 and Receiver 2/3 series, to match Cassette Deck 1,2,3 - these no longer used STASIS (after some conflict between Nakamichi and Threshold), and were not that good. For a while, Nakamichi brand showed up at Appliance stores, like Best Buy in Chicago (mid 90's). From what I understand these are not considered 'Nakamichis' buy the Nak Fans. Best Buy carried 'Nakamichi' Receivers (AV300-500) and CD Players - the line never had matching tape decks. I am less familiar with the more current line. I understand that there may be some good Receiver units, but have no experience with them. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Wheatley Sent: Sun, July 14, 2002 5:46 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver Thanks Stan. So what I gather is that this is not exactly a 'high end' piece of equipment, or at least not comparable to a Nak cassette deck. I don't know much (anything) about Nakamichi's quality when it comes to receivers, or a good one to look for if I wanted to get a Nakamichi receiver. Bill Stan Targowski wrote: ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Sun Jul 14 21:37:28 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 21:37:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem In-Reply-To: <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020714213457.00a2d600@box.tin.it> Me too with the 700ZXL ... no probs with 700ZXE ... but some oxyde in the Dolby switch so I need to ''turn the knob'' 1 or 2 times before or after the dumb behavior to solve the problems As absolute newcomer ... I do agree ... the 700ZXE is a more friendly machine while having the same results of 700ZXL . Ezio At 11:39 PM 7/14/02 +0700, you wrote: >Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These >monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is problematic >/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using the >same tape. > >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: El Magnifico >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > >I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has >more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > >No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is incredible, >but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Kevin Rogers" >To: >Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "El Magnifico" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, looks > > and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound >quality > > is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > > Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > > recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen Sank > > rule! > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the 700 > > and > > > 1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > > speaking > > > and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > > > properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning your > > self > > > if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > > weeks > > > later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as I > > > have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e >stuff. > > > > Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going >on. > > > No > > > > wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ >== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Mon Jul 15 02:29:50 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:29:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver References: Message-ID: <3D32177E.AA4A9008@warwick.net> Thanks Stan for the great information on Nak receivers. Very useful and much appreciated. Bill Stan Targowski wrote: > > Nakamichi used to make very good receivers. Their SR series from the late > 80's was pretty good. SR4, SR3, etc. The TA series was also good, TA-4, TA-3 > ... - both of these were matching CR series of tape decks. All of these used > STASIS technology licensed from Threshold. > > I still have a matching CR-2 and TA-2. TA-2 is 2x50 Watts, high current > receiver, which could easily drive my (then current) Magnepan speakers. I > chose it over ADCOM GFA535 and matching Tuner/Preamp - they both sounded > pretty close, and TA-2 was matching my deck. I never had any problems with > the CR-2 cassette. The TA2 receiver sounded great, when it worked, but it > was in the shop at least three times, left channel disappearing, etc. > > Then there was a Receiver 1 and Receiver 2/3 series, to match Cassette Deck > 1,2,3 - these no longer used STASIS (after some conflict between Nakamichi > and Threshold), and were not that good. > > For a while, Nakamichi brand showed up at Appliance stores, like Best Buy in > Chicago (mid 90's). From what I understand these are not considered > 'Nakamichis' buy the Nak Fans. Best Buy carried 'Nakamichi' Receivers > (AV300-500) and CD Players - the line never had matching tape decks. > > I am less familiar with the more current line. I understand that there may > be some good Receiver units, but have no experience with them. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bill Wheatley > Sent: Sun, July 14, 2002 5:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver > > Thanks Stan. So what I gather is that this is not exactly a 'high end' > piece of equipment, or at least not comparable to a Nak cassette deck. > I don't know much (anything) about Nakamichi's quality when it comes to > receivers, or a good one to look for if I wanted to get a Nakamichi > receiver. > Bill > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > If my memory serves me right AV300/400/500 was the line made for Best Buy > > ... If this is the case, you are talking aboyt $200 unit, slower seller > than > > similarly priced JVC and Technics units. > > > > Stan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Bill Wheatley > > Sent: Sat, July 13, 2002 9:46 PM > > To: Naktalk > > Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver > > > > Hi All, > > Can anyone give me any info/opinions on Nakamichi's AV400 > > audio/video receiver? > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Mon Jul 15 02:33:14 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:33:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver References: <003701c22b57$1373cae0$87299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D32184A.3CD3B997@warwick.net> Thanks Salim. Sounds like the SR series, and the SR4 in particular, and also the TA series, as Stan mentioned, would be something for me to keep an eye out for. Bill Salim Marzuki wrote: > > I think compared to other current receivers, Nak's still sound ok. I used > to have midline Yamaha and Denon - and still like Nak sound quality better. > Its tuner is different story, only SR4's is comparable to stand alone tuner. > The RE-1 line's tuner is below par and AV-2s', although a bit better, is > only 'so-so'. > > I haven't heard the more current AV-7/10 line, but some people complain > about the build quality (production already moved down to malaysia ?). If > not mistaken, AV500 is similar to AV-2s line and has some positive feedbacks > as well. For the money, imho, it should provide better value than technics > kenwood etc (and to me, better than yamaha ... not because this is naktalk > =). > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Targowski > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 9:49 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver > > Nakamichi used to make very good receivers. Their SR series from the late > 80's was pretty good. SR4, SR3, etc. The TA series was also good, TA-4, TA-3 > ... - both of these were matching CR series of tape decks. All of these used > STASIS technology licensed from Threshold. > > I still have a matching CR-2 and TA-2. TA-2 is 2x50 Watts, high current > receiver, which could easily drive my (then current) Magnepan speakers. I > chose it over ADCOM GFA535 and matching Tuner/Preamp - they both sounded > pretty close, and TA-2 was matching my deck. I never had any problems with > the CR-2 cassette. The TA2 receiver sounded great, when it worked, but it > was in the shop at least three times, left channel disappearing, etc. > > Then there was a Receiver 1 and Receiver 2/3 series, to match Cassette Deck > 1,2,3 - these no longer used STASIS (after some conflict between Nakamichi > and Threshold), and were not that good. > > For a while, Nakamichi brand showed up at Appliance stores, like Best Buy in > Chicago (mid 90's). From what I understand these are not considered > 'Nakamichis' buy the Nak Fans. Best Buy carried 'Nakamichi' Receivers > (AV300-500) and CD Players - the line never had matching tape decks. > > I am less familiar with the more current line. I understand that there may > be some good Receiver units, but have no experience with them. > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bill Wheatley > Sent: Sun, July 14, 2002 5:46 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak AV 400 A/V Receiver > > Thanks Stan. So what I gather is that this is not exactly a 'high end' > piece of equipment, or at least not comparable to a Nak cassette deck. > I don't know much (anything) about Nakamichi's quality when it comes to > receivers, or a good one to look for if I wanted to get a Nakamichi > receiver. > Bill > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 15 03:39:38 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 20:39:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope that your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These > monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is problematic > / sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using the > same tape. > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: El Magnifico > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has > more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > > No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is incredible, > but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Rogers" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "El Magnifico" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, looks > > and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound > quality > > is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > > Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > > recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen Sank > > rule! > > > > Kevin Rogers > > > > > > > Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the 700 > > and > > > 1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > > speaking > > > and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > > > properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning your > > self > > > if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > > weeks > > > later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as I > > > have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > > > > Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e > stuff. > > > > Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going > on. > > > No > > > > wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Jul 15 09:46:55 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:46:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though I would like to!) El Magnifico wrote: >Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope that >your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salim Marzuki" >To: >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > >>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These >>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is >> >> >problematic > > >>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using >> >> >the > > >>same tape. >> >>Salim SM >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: El Magnifico >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >> >> >>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has >>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. >> >>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is >> >> >incredible, > > >>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... >> >>Carlos >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Kevin Rogers" >>To: >>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >> >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "El Magnifico" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >>> >>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, >>> >>> >looks > > >>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound >>> >>> >>quality >> >> >>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the >>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes >>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen >>> >>> >Sank > > >>>rule! >>> >>>Kevin Rogers >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the >>>> >>>> >700 > > >>>and >>> >>> >>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically >>>> >>>> >>>speaking >>> >>> >>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running >>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning >>>> >>>> >your > > >>>self >>> >>> >>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 >>>> >>>> >>>weeks >>> >>> >>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as >>>> >>>> >I > > >>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Carlos >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e >>>>> >>>>> >>stuff. >> >> >>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going >>>>> >>>>> >>on. >> >> >>>>No >>>> >>>> >>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! >>>>> >>>>>Best regards, >>>>>Salim SM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >>== >> >> >>>>======= >>>> >>>> >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >>>>> >>>>> >Deck > > >>>>resource. >>>> >>>> >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >>>>> >>>>> >>http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>>>======= >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>>======= >>> >>> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>>resource. >>> >>> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >>>> >>>> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>>======= >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>======= >> >> >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >>resource. >> >> >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>> >>> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>======= >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > >>======= >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 15 17:34:55 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 10:34:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001001c22c15$37120b60$a0232ac4@CopyTech> Last time Stephen fixed my 1000 ZXL, he found 4 eproms in England. It took him a couple of months and some money to obtain those. One of our friends in England found those. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > I would like to!) > > El Magnifico wrote: > > >Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope that > >your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Salim Marzuki" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > > > > >>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These > >>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is > >> > >> > >problematic > > > > > >>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using > >> > >> > >the > > > > > >>same tape. > >> > >>Salim SM > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: El Magnifico > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >> > >> > >>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has > >>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > >> > >>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is > >> > >> > >incredible, > > > > > >>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > >> > >>Carlos > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Kevin Rogers" > >>To: > >>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "El Magnifico" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >>> > >>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, > >>> > >>> > >looks > > > > > >>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound > >>> > >>> > >>quality > >> > >> > >>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > >>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > >>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen > >>> > >>> > >Sank > > > > > >>>rule! > >>> > >>>Kevin Rogers > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the > >>>> > >>>> > >700 > > > > > >>>and > >>> > >>> > >>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > >>>> > >>>> > >>>speaking > >>> > >>> > >>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > >>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning > >>>> > >>>> > >your > > > > > >>>self > >>> > >>> > >>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>weeks > >>> > >>> > >>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as > >>>> > >>>> > >I > > > > > >>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Carlos > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>stuff. > >> > >> > >>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>on. > >> > >> > >>>>No > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > >>>>> > >>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>Salim SM > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > >>== > >> > >> > >>>>======= > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > >>>>> > >>>>> > >Deck > > > > > >>>>resource. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>>>======= > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>> > >>>> > >>>resource. > >>> > >>> > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > >>>> > >>>> > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> > >>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>======= > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > > > > > >>======= > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 15 17:20:07 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:20:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all assured), this is totally impractical from a financial POV. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > I would like to!) > > El Magnifico wrote: > > >Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope that > >your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Salim Marzuki" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > > > > >>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These > >>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is > >> > >> > >problematic > > > > > >>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using > >> > >> > >the > > > > > >>same tape. > >> > >>Salim SM > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: El Magnifico > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >> > >> > >>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has > >>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > >> > >>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is > >> > >> > >incredible, > > > > > >>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > >> > >>Carlos > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Kevin Rogers" > >>To: > >>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "El Magnifico" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >>> > >>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, > >>> > >>> > >looks > > > > > >>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound > >>> > >>> > >>quality > >> > >> > >>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > >>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > >>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen > >>> > >>> > >Sank > > > > > >>>rule! > >>> > >>>Kevin Rogers > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the > >>>> > >>>> > >700 > > > > > >>>and > >>> > >>> > >>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > >>>> > >>>> > >>>speaking > >>> > >>> > >>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > >>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning > >>>> > >>>> > >your > > > > > >>>self > >>> > >>> > >>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>weeks > >>> > >>> > >>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as > >>>> > >>>> > >I > > > > > >>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Carlos > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>stuff. > >> > >> > >>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>on. > >> > >> > >>>>No > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > >>>>> > >>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jul 15 17:24:12 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:24:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001001c22c15$37120b60$a0232ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <009501c22c13$ad0964f0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Surely an EPROM burner could give us as many clones as we wanted, no? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > Last time Stephen fixed my 1000 ZXL, he found 4 eproms in England. It took > him a couple of months and some money to obtain those. One of our friends in > England found those. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:46 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > > we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > > I would like to!) > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > >Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope > that > > >your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Salim Marzuki" > > >To: > > >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? > These > > >>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is > > >> > > >> > > >problematic > > > > > > > > >>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using > > >> > > >> > > >the > > > > > > > > >>same tape. > > >> > > >>Salim SM > > >> > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: El Magnifico > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > >> > > >> > > >>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 > has > > >>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > > >> > > >>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is > > >> > > >> > > >incredible, > > > > > > > > >>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > > >> > > >>Carlos > > >> > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Kevin Rogers" > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: "El Magnifico" > > >>>To: > > >>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > >>> > > >>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, > > >>> > > >>> > > >looks > > > > > > > > >>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound > > >>> > > >>> > > >>quality > > >> > > >> > > >>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > > >>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > > >>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen > > >>> > > >>> > > >Sank > > > > > > > > >>>rule! > > >>> > > >>>Kevin Rogers > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >700 > > > > > > > > >>>and > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>speaking > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > > >>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >your > > > > > > > > >>>self > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>weeks > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >I > > > > > > > > >>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>Carlos > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>stuff. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>on. > > >> > > >> > > >>>>No > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Best regards, > > >>>>>Salim SM > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > >>== > > >> > > >> > > >>>>======= > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >Deck > > > > > > > > >>>>resource. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>>>======= > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>>======= > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>resource. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>>======= > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>======= > > >> > > >> > > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >>> > > >>> > > >>resource. > > >> > > >> > > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>======= > > >> > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >>resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > > > > > > > >>======= > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >> > > >> > > >resource. > > > > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > = > > >======= > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 15 18:30:14 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:30:14 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000a01c22c1c$e6390c40$eb299bca@smarzuki> If I may add, I have healthy eproms ... and still get inconsistent results. =) Somehow, it seems to be getting better with more frequent use, does it make sense ? I think zxl's auto setting is very sensitive (hey its trying to achieve +/- 0.75 db) and God knows how many components -within the zillion inside- have changed values. Stephen, i noticed that when calibration ended error on 700, i can simply use the bias switch (ex/sx) for recording, with manual/eq depressed. If that's normal then maybe i can trick it into error mode default on power up ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all assured), this is totally impractical from a financial POV. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > I would like to!) > > El Magnifico wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 15 20:24:06 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:24:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001001c22c15$37120b60$a0232ac4@CopyTech> <009501c22c13$ad0964f0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001201c22c2c$d1eb7f10$11312ac4@CopyTech> Don't know, perhaps Ron or Stephen could answer that ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > Surely an EPROM burner could give us as many clones as we wanted, no? > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > Last time Stephen fixed my 1000 ZXL, he found 4 eproms in England. It took > > him a couple of months and some money to obtain those. One of our friends > in > > England found those. > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > > Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > > > we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > > > I would like to!) > > > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > >Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope > > that > > > >your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. > > > > > > > >Carlos > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Salim Marzuki" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? > > These > > > >>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is > > > >> > > > >> > > > >problematic > > > > > > > > > > > >>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even > using > > > >> > > > >> > > > >the > > > > > > > > > > > >>same tape. > > > >> > > > >>Salim SM > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: El Magnifico > > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > > > >>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 > > has > > > >>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > > > >> > > > >>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is > > > >> > > > >> > > > >incredible, > > > > > > > > > > > >>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > > > >> > > > >>Carlos > > > >> > > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>From: "Kevin Rogers" > > > >>To: > > > >>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM > > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > > >>>From: "El Magnifico" > > > >>>To: > > > >>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > >>> > > > >>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >looks > > > > > > > > > > > >>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>quality > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that > the > > > >>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > > > >>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >Sank > > > > > > > > > > > >>>rule! > > > >>> > > > >>>Kevin Rogers > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >700 > > > > > > > > > > > >>>and > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>speaking > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them > running > > > >>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >your > > > > > > > > > > > >>>self > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just > 2 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>weeks > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon > as > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >I > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>Carlos > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>stuff. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep > going > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>on. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>No > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>Best regards, > > > >>>>>Salim SM > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > >>== > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>>>======= > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >Deck > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Jul 15 19:29:32 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:29:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D33067C.6060606@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Why would it be expensive? Are the unwritten EPROM chips still available? If they are, all you need to do is to get a memory image into your PC from a good EPROM removed from a Nak, and then copy it back into blank chips through a burner. Or have I missed something vital? Maybe Nakamichi might even be prepared to give the memory image to the group. Ron wrote: >I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, >let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all >assured), this is totally impractical from a financial >POV. > >-- Ron > >John Walker wrote: > > >>Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that >>we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though >>I would like to!) >> >>El Magnifico wrote: >> >> >> >>>Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope that >>>your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. >>> >>>Carlos >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Salim Marzuki" >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These >>>>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>problematic >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>the >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>same tape. >>>> >>>>Salim SM >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: El Magnifico >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >>>> >>>> >>>>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has >>>>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. >>>> >>>>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>incredible, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... >>>> >>>>Carlos >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Kevin Rogers" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "El Magnifico" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem >>>>> >>>>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>looks >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>quality >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the >>>>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes >>>>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>Sank >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>rule! >>>>> >>>>>Kevin Rogers >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>700 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>speaking >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running >>>>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>your >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>self >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>weeks >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>I >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Carlos >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>stuff. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>on. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>No >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best regards, >>>>>>>Salim SM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thom at winter-harbor.com Mon Jul 15 19:52:09 2002 From: thom at winter-harbor.com (Thomas, Winter Harbor Software) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk TD-350 installation help request Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020715130110.00ac6ec0@winter-harbor.com> Hi. I am a new subscriber to the list and normally would read for a while before submitting to the list, but in this case need help soon and am hoping the message will be appropriate in content! TD-350 & Mobile CD Installation help Request I have purchased a used Nak TD-350 mobile cassette deck / receiver, as well as a mobile CD changer to go with it. The difficulty is that the TD-350 came without any owner's manual, wiring schematic, or installation instructions. If anyone has a schematic, install instructions or similar, and could send a copy it would be greatly appreciated! Or perhaps someone could answer advice about installing this deck. I have already purchased a wiring harness for this deck / my car and have matched up the wires except for the following (a) one unlabeled blue wire with white stripe on the TD-350 that I could not identify, (b) a "dimmer" wire that was for the previous radio that I could not match to the TD350, plus (c) I am wondering about the typical installation application of the Pre-Out Rear RCA's (which are a cable on the back of the deck) and the RCA's which output from back of the deck with no cable. (d) red black and yellow wires on the TD-350 were unlabeled but have matched up with red,black,and yellow on the third-party wiring harness that I purchased; just to be sure I'd like to confirm that I've got them right though (I am expecting that they are power) (e) one light blue wire on a din-type connector (only the single conductor, blue wire, goes to it) for the original radio; this was a bose system that had a main and sub antenna by the way. Finally - a puzzle (the cause of which may be explained by my lack of a schematic and incomplete wiring). I have been experimenting with the unit a little bit and have been successful in wiring power and audio output from TD-350 to speakers through the standard wiring harness .. and have been able to play FM receiver out to speakers. This helped to confirm that the unit was working because it was purchased used and this was the first test after purchasing it. BUT even though there is audio output from FM there is no audio output from TAPE. I insert a cassette, the front panel reads TAPE, the cassette plays, but there is no audio output. Same problem for the CD changer; the unit switches source to the CD changer, reads "cdc" on the front panel, starts the disc spinning and everything is normal except no audio output. There is good audio output with FM receiver which makes me think at least I have done something right with wiring speaker output. Until I saw this problem I would have guessed that the audio signal path switching between FM/TAPE/CD would be completely internal to the TD-350 unit so this should not be affected by installation ... that is to say, "if FM output works then TAPE output built into the TD-350 should also work to the same extent .. and if tape unit is having a problem at least the CD unit audio output would work". Now I am wondering if this is not true -- and am a little puzzled by the observed behavior. Can anyone offer some guidance? Many thanks. Tom ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Jul 15 20:23:16 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:23:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> <3D33067C.6060606@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D331314.8620CFF6@rcn.com> As I said, I am not familiar with the processor used in the 700ZXL. In my CR-7, processing is done by three single chip processors, each containing its own code. There are no stand alone memory chips. At the Nakamichi normal production volumes, I expect the parts to be either ROMmed (code hard wired at the factory), as in the CR-7, or OTPs (One time programmable). It's unlikely they were UV EPROMs, which were considerably more expensive than the masked counterparts. Remember, this is 1980s technology. Depending on the part, the code may not even be externally accessible. Even if it is, there is no guaranty that UV EPROM versions are available now and, if so, that equipment to read/write them is to be found. It's by no means as simple as 'read them into your PC' -- you need a dedicated EPROM burner. All this, plus a few other considerations, translates into "if it's doable, it's going to be expensive". -- Ron John Walker wrote: > Why would it be expensive? Are the unwritten EPROM chips still > available? If they are, all you need to do is to get a memory image into > your PC from a good EPROM removed from a Nak, and then copy it back into > blank chips through a burner. Or have I missed something vital? Maybe > Nakamichi might even be prepared to give the memory image to the group. > > Ron wrote: > > >I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, > >let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all > >assured), this is totally impractical from a financial > >POV. > > > >-- Ron > > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > >>we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > >>I would like to!) > >> > >>El Magnifico wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Yes, same as you. Sometimes they don't even calibrate at all. Just hope that > >>>your 1000 ZXL eprom don't brake. Costly and almost impossible to find. > >>> > >>>Carlos > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Salim Marzuki" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:39 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Carlos, just curious, do you also have problems with ZXL playback ? These > >>>>monsters have awesome playback quality, only the auto setting is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>problematic > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>/ sensitive. I get inconsistent results between calibrations even using > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>the > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>same tape. > >>>> > >>>>Salim SM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: El Magnifico > >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>>Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 11:21 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>I made several shootouts between the Dragon, 1000 & 700 ZXL. The 1000 has > >>>>more "presence" but the Dragon extended highs were better. > >>>> > >>>>No doubt that both ZXL's are impressive to look and the sound is > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>incredible, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>but, wait a couple of months and you'll see what I'm talking about ... > >>>> > >>>>Carlos > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Kevin Rogers" > >>>>To: > >>>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 7:29 PM > >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "El Magnifico" > >>>>>To: > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 8:26 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >>>>> > >>>>>Hi all. I recently received my 1000ZXL back from Stephen. It works, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>looks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>and sounds great! I believe that its' record/play response and sound > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>quality > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>is better than any other deck that I have heard. I do believe that the > >>>>>Dragon does sound better- a bit more focused - on play back of tapes > >>>>>recorded on other decks, but aside from that the 1000ZXL and Stephen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>Sank > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>rule! > >>>>> > >>>>>Kevin Rogers > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Yep!, I told you and everyone on this list. Those old ZXL, like the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>700 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>and > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>1000 are incredible machines but way too complicated electronically > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>speaking > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>and vulnerable. Besides, it cost a leg trying to maintain them running > >>>>>>properly and it takes you to the point where you begin questioning > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>your > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>self > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>if it really worth. Stephen repaired mine's, a 700 and 1000 and just 2 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>weeks > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>later they broke another thing, and another and another ... As soon as > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>I > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>have enough funds, I'll try a last time and see what happens. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Carlos > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Carlos, seems like the weakness of nak flagships is this a/b/l/e > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>stuff. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>Other than that i think all orangeless old naks will just keep going > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>on. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>No > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>wonder the 'manual' ZX9 rules ! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Best regards, > >>>>>>>Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Mon Jul 15 20:25:55 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 14:25:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk TD-350 installation help request In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20020715130110.00ac6ec0@winter-harbor.com> Message-ID: <3D32DB73.11804.1859229@localhost> Thomas- I owned a TD-350 at one time, but sold it along with the vehicle it was in about 3 years ago. I did not use it with a CD player, and the unit played tapes just fine without having to do anything special to it. You just slipped a tape in, and the audio output switched automatically from radio to tape. I do recall that there was a feature that allowed you to listen to radio while a tape was inserted, but it doesn't sound like this is what you are experiencing. I sold the vehicle and Nak to someone I work with. I'll check with them and see if they still have the manual for it. Tim On 15 Jul 2002 at 13:52, Thomas, Winter Harbor Software wrote: Date sent: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 13:52:09 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com From: "Thomas, Winter Harbor Software" Subject: [naktalk] naktalk TD-350 installation help request Send reply to: naktalk at naks.com > > Hi. I am a new subscriber to the list and normally would read for a > while before submitting to the list, but in this case need help soon > and am hoping the message will be appropriate in content! > > > TD-350 & Mobile CD Installation help Request > > I have purchased a used Nak TD-350 mobile cassette deck / receiver, as > well as a mobile CD changer to go with it. > > The difficulty is that the TD-350 came without any owner's manual, > wiring schematic, or installation instructions. If anyone has a > schematic, install instructions or similar, and could send a copy it > would be greatly appreciated! > > Or perhaps someone could answer advice about installing this deck. I > have already purchased a wiring harness for this deck / my car and > have matched up the wires except for the following (a) one unlabeled > blue wire with white stripe on the TD-350 that I could not identify, > (b) a "dimmer" wire that was for the previous radio that I could not > match to the TD350, plus (c) I am wondering about the typical > installation application of the Pre-Out Rear RCA's (which are a cable > on the back of the deck) and the RCA's which output from back of the > deck with no cable. (d) red black and yellow wires on the TD-350 were > unlabeled but have matched up with red,black,and yellow on the > third-party wiring harness that I purchased; just to be sure I'd like > to confirm that I've got them right though (I am expecting that they > are power) (e) one light blue wire on a din-type connector (only the > single conductor, blue wire, goes to it) for the original radio; this > was a bose system that had a main and sub antenna by the way. > > Finally - a puzzle (the cause of which may be explained by my lack of > a schematic and incomplete wiring). I have been experimenting with > the unit a little bit and have been successful in wiring power and > audio output from TD-350 to speakers through the standard wiring > harness .. and have been able to play FM receiver out to speakers. > This helped to confirm that the unit was working because it was > purchased used and this was the first test after purchasing it. BUT > even though there is audio output from FM there is no audio output > from TAPE. I insert a cassette, the front panel reads TAPE, the > cassette plays, but there is no audio output. Same problem for the CD > changer; the unit switches source to the CD changer, reads "cdc" on > the front panel, starts the disc spinning and everything is normal > except no audio output. There is good audio output with FM receiver > which makes me think at least I have done something right with wiring > speaker output. > > Until I saw this problem I would have guessed that the audio signal > path switching between FM/TAPE/CD would be completely internal to the > TD-350 unit so this should not be affected by installation ... that is > to say, "if FM output works then TAPE output built into the TD-350 > should also work to the same extent .. and if tape unit is having a > problem at least the CD unit audio output would work". Now I am > wondering if this is not true -- and am a little puzzled by the > observed behavior. > > Can anyone offer some guidance? > Many thanks. > > Tom > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 16 00:02:09 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 08:02:09 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02AA64C5@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Fred, This may be an obvious question, but have you calibrated it yet. Did you receive the owners manual? It should explain how to calibrate the unit to match your deck. If you need further help let me know (I own one of these units - fantastic sound). Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: FRED MOSS [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 12 July 2002 9:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay Hello Naktalkers, I just received a Nak High Com ii unit that i won on ebay, it does not appear to function properly I cannot seem to get it to encode or decode (no signals present on rec out) but is does work on Disc mode only thru line in, Anybody familiar with this unit? Am I missing something really basic? Should the ingoing signal to be encoded be connected to Line In or Play in? I have tried every conceivable way of connecting it but no luck-any ideas? Fred Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Tue Jul 16 03:49:06 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 18:49:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2489 (ZXL Performance) Message-ID: Seems like these ZXL models would be magnificent to look at up on a showcase collection shelf, but inconsistent and frustrating to use on a regular basis. That, or the owner of a finicky ZXL would most likely be in need of an abundant cash flow for expert repairs or an electronics engineering graduate degree to figure out and revitalize those intricate control components! All the more reason for the average non-techy Nakamichi owner to stick to the predominantly manual controlled decks. Honestly, that's the reasoning I followed when purchasing a ZX7; those manual control options are so very nice and easy to use, and the results are really pleasing! Since I mostly record and playback with my own shelved and mobile decks, I can try to maintain a standard of precision by matching the playback characteristics between the decks. I've been quite successful to date. But I'm hardly a manual control purist either, since I've enjoyed the merits of the rather advanced and intricate Nak RX202 and RX505 unidirectional autoreverse systems for many years. Perhaps I'm just fortunate, I've not yet experienced a critical problem with any of my three shelved Nak decks. And my intentions are to remain as trouble-free as possible, by making efforts to perform the usual preventative maintenance activities that I'm capable of doing myself. Of course, the abundance of NakTalk information shared is a key asset to keeping the decks in tip-top shape. I commend all of our ZXL owner friends, and wish them the best with their challenges keeping those advanced microprocessing cassette decks prime and properly maintained. With best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 20:39:22 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Monday, July 15 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2489 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 23:30:14 +0700 >From: Salim Marzuki >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > >If I may add, I have healthy eproms ... and still get inconsistent results. >=) Somehow, it seems to be getting better with more frequent use, does it >make sense ? I think zxl's auto setting is very sensitive (hey its trying >to achieve +/- 0.75 db) and God knows how many components -within the >zillion inside- have changed values. > >Stephen, i noticed that when calibration ended error on 700, i can simply >use the bias switch (ex/sx) for recording, with manual/eq depressed. If >that's normal then maybe i can trick it into error mode default on power up >... > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > >I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, >let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all >assured), this is totally impractical from a financial >POV. > >- -- Ron > >John Walker wrote: >> >> Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that >> we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though >> I would like to!) >> >> El Magnifico wrote: >> > > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2489 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Jul 16 05:44:04 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 04:44:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> <000a01c22c1c$e6390c40$eb299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D339684.8060501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> This sounds to me as if the EPROMS themselves are OK but that the rest of the electronics has drifted outside the boundaries of whatever algorithm the EPROMS implement. Salim Marzuki wrote: >If I may add, I have healthy eproms ... and still get inconsistent results. >=) Somehow, it seems to be getting better with more frequent use, does it >make sense ? I think zxl's auto setting is very sensitive (hey its trying >to achieve +/- 0.75 db) and God knows how many components -within the >zillion inside- have changed values. > >Stephen, i noticed that when calibration ended error on 700, i can simply >use the bias switch (ex/sx) for recording, with manual/eq depressed. If >that's normal then maybe i can trick it into error mode default on power up >... > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:20 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > >I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, >let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all >assured), this is totally impractical from a financial >POV. > >-- Ron > >John Walker wrote: > > >>Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that >>we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though >>I would like to!) >> >>El Magnifico wrote: >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 16 08:39:26 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:09:26 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> <000a01c22c1c$e6390c40$eb299bca@smarzuki> <3D339684.8060501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D33BF9E.5925A7C5@vsnl.com> 1000ZXL calibration is an elaborate process - requiring a special fixure to calibrate bias and level setting as well as AD converter's linearity and reference positions. It is worthwhile doing this part to find out the reason for the type of problems that Salim had experienced. If this type of calibration is to be avoided , check out the circuit around the bias and level setting drivers( a rather crude discrete DA converters). One way is to check the bias voltage across the record head( for ZX/SX/EX) at diffrent times without recalibrating and see whether that setting remains same. Same for level setting for record amps.If you find them changing, no wonder ABLE process is failing. If the driver circuitry ( to set the level or bias chosen by the Micro processor ) does not function in the same way due to some component malfunction( intermittantly) then recalibration ( A.B.L.E.) may not succeed. Possible cause can be due to some cap ( not necessarily orange cap alone) or resistor misbehaving due to ageing?? I am more suspecious of the bias circuitry part as bias frquency and voltages are high and can cause failure of caps. Salim can try replacing all resistor/ caps on the relevent boards ( obtain the Service manual first) which may solve the problem once for all as I do not suspect any active components. Also replace those active components which are easily available for better performance. The time and labour requirements are rather high and involving but worth the effort. Salim, try your luck in getting it to work without problems. Just to remind - I found My Dragon's playback amp had a preset that misbehaved often causing loss of output on right channel. I had tough time finding the reason as it used to occur intermittantly. This preset is for setting the 400Hz output level setting after first stage amp and it was losing contact after some time of use occasionally. Once I removed its plastic cap( white cap is for protection as well as for adjustment) I found the same had stopped! Ofcourse I had put back the cap and found the problem started occurring once again confirming my reasoning. very strange indeed!!! Kannan John Walker wrote: > This sounds to me as if the EPROMS themselves are OK but that the rest > of the electronics has drifted outside the boundaries of whatever > algorithm the EPROMS implement. > > Salim Marzuki wrote: > > >If I may add, I have healthy eproms ... and still get inconsistent results. > >=) Somehow, it seems to be getting better with more frequent use, does it > >make sense ? I think zxl's auto setting is very sensitive (hey its trying > >to achieve +/- 0.75 db) and God knows how many components -within the > >zillion inside- have changed values. > > > >Stephen, i noticed that when calibration ended error on 700, i can simply > >use the bias switch (ex/sx) for recording, with manual/eq depressed. If > >that's normal then maybe i can trick it into error mode default on power up > >... > > > >Best regards, > >Salim SM > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Ron > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:20 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem > > > > > > > >I don't even know what processor is used. Nonetheless, > >let me assure you that, even if doable (not at all > >assured), this is totally impractical from a financial > >POV. > > > >-- Ron > > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Could someone in this group reverse engineer one of these EPROMS so that > >>we could establish a line of supply? (I don't have one of these, though > >>I would like to!) > >> > >>El Magnifico wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Tue Jul 16 13:02:08 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 12:02:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay Message-ID: <3D3F9E59@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hi Tom, thanks for your interest. No there was no manual. It would not calibrate, the two pairs of inner phono in/outputs do not seem to function at all. I am using 1000zxl which has dedicated connections for the High Com, i tried those and every connection i could think of. Only the outer phonos seem to work and it appears to function on disc replay! Fred ===== Original Message From Thomas Siomopoulos ===== >Hi Fred, > > This may be an obvious question, but have you calibrated it yet. Did you receive the owners manual? It should explain how to calibrate the unit to match your deck. If you need further help let me know (I own one of these units - fantastic sound). > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: FRED MOSS [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] >Sent: Friday, 12 July 2002 9:52 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay > > >Hello Naktalkers, I just received a Nak High Com ii unit that i won on ebay, >it does not appear to function properly I cannot seem to get it to encode or >decode (no signals present on rec out) but is does work on Disc mode only thru >line in, Anybody familiar with this unit? Am I missing something really basic? >Should the ingoing signal to be encoded be connected to Line In or Play in? I >have tried every conceivable way of connecting it but no luck-any ideas? > >Fred > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Jul 16 14:06:15 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:06:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BB7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Fred, There is a copy of the manual on naks.com (I sent a copy to Wouter a few years back). Have you tried the unit on another tapedeck? I'm looking at the manuals for both the High Com II & the 1000 ZXL. Could it be that you need two High Com II units for the ZXL? I played with the unit last night and set the controls to the 400Hz test tone, set my tapedeck's (BX300) monitor switch to source and the peak levels on the tapedeck were at the 0dB mark. I then switched the High Com II mode switch from Disc to Rec to Pass and the signal was still going through the BX300, however, if I turned down the calibration knob (rec-out) down, the signal to the tapedeck was gone. Try connecting the highcomII to the line in/out connections on the ZXL instead of the encoder/decoder connections to see if there is any luck. Good luck, hope you get it going soon! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: FRED MOSS [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 16 July 2002 9:02 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay >Hi Tom, thanks for your interest. No there was no manual. It would not calibrate, the two pairs of inner phono in/outputs do not seem to function at all. I am using 1000zxl which has dedicated connections for the High Com, i tried those and every connection i could think of. Only the outer phonos seem to work and it appears to function on disc replay! Fred ===== Original Message From Thomas Siomopoulos ===== >Hi Fred, > > This may be an obvious question, but have you calibrated it yet. Did you receive the owners manual? It should explain how to calibrate the unit to match your deck. If you need further help let me know (I own one of these units - fantastic sound). > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > >-----Original Message----- >From: FRED MOSS [mailto:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] >Sent: Friday, 12 July 2002 9:52 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] High Com II Bought on Ebay > > >Hello Naktalkers, I just received a Nak High Com ii unit that i won on ebay, >it does not appear to function properly I cannot seem to get it to encode or >decode (no signals present on rec out) but is does work on Disc mode only thru >line in, Anybody familiar with this unit? Am I missing something really basic? >Should the ingoing signal to be encoded be connected to Line In or Play in? I >have tried every conceivable way of connecting it but no luck-any ideas? > >Fred > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Jul 16 15:17:09 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:17:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track Message-ID: <3D341CD5.1040707@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. Name: John Walker Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it Down'Audioquest AQ1038 Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel Cassette deck: Nak 700II Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - plus some cables I made myself) I will post it off to Fred today. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 16 15:35:19 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:35:19 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem References: <002c01c22a9f$53314620$fb299bca@smarzuki> <000901c22acd$23606f60$a5312ac4@CopyTech> <004001c22acd$83effa80$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> <000c01c22b52$8a20c030$92232ac4@CopyTech> <003601c22b57$1291f660$87299bca@smarzuki> <000d01c22ba0$7f7a2bf0$d12f2ac4@CopyTech> <3D327DEF.9010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D32E827.3A69D3C8@rcn.com> <000a01c22c1c$e6390c40$eb299bca@smarzuki> <3D339684.8060501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D33BF9E.5925A7C5@vsnl.com> Message-ID: <001101c22ccd$a498f280$a7199bca@smarzuki> Thank you Kannan and John for your ideas. I have the 1000 service manual and one glimpse over the custom 'CPU test unit' jig which requires no less than 27 switches (!) and i .... give up. Once the deck gives a good result i just keep the setting for similar tapes. With little technical background i just can't read through 1000's complex req amp flow. And the problem might have came from such simple error of incorrect test tone output used for calibration. However, the 700's circuitry looks "more simple" and i really hope to get the ABLE up and running once i have the service manual. I'll start by replacing aging passive components, which hopefully will cure the problem (usually it works =). If possible I'd also really like to get rid of the RAMM circuit completely ! I wonder what portion of the deck price was devoted for this ... , this feature. Kannan, I feel lucky enough that the 700's head still in good shape, unlike so many used Indo naks ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: kannan To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZXL's able problem 1000ZXL calibration is an elaborate process - requiring a special fixure to calibrate bias and level setting as well as AD converter's linearity and reference positions. It is worthwhile doing this part to find out the reason for the type of problems that Salim had experienced. If this type of calibration is to be avoided , check out the circuit around the bias and level setting drivers( a rather crude discrete DA converters). One way is to check the bias voltage across the record head( for ZX/SX/EX) at diffrent times without recalibrating and see whether that setting remains same. Same for level setting for record amps.If you find them changing, no wonder ABLE process is failing. If the driver circuitry ( to set the level or bias chosen by the Micro processor ) does not function in the same way due to some component malfunction( intermittantly) then recalibration ( A.B.L.E.) may not succeed. Possible cause can be due to some cap ( not necessarily orange cap alone) or resistor misbehaving due to ageing?? I am more suspecious of the bias circuitry part as bias frquency and voltages are high and can cause failure of caps. Salim can try replacing all resistor/ caps on the relevent boards ( obtain the Service manual first) which may solve the problem once for all as I do not suspect any active components. Also replace those active components which are easily available for better performance. The time and labour requirements are rather high and involving but worth the effort. Salim, try your luck in getting it to work without problems. Just to remind - I found My Dragon's playback amp had a preset that misbehaved often causing loss of output on right channel. I had tough time finding the reason as it used to occur intermittantly. This preset is for setting the 400Hz output level setting after first stage amp and it was losing contact after some time of use occasionally. Once I removed its plastic cap( white cap is for protection as well as for adjustment) I found the same had stopped! Ofcourse I had put back the cap and found the problem started occurring once again confirming my reasoning. very strange indeed!!! Kannan John Walker wrote: > This sounds to me as if the EPROMS themselves are OK but that the rest > of the electronics has drifted outside the boundaries of whatever > algorithm the EPROMS implement. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Jul 16 23:37:06 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:37:06 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress Message-ID: Hi all, I received the tape yesterday afternoon, recorded my selection last night, and have sent the tape on to Stan this afternoon. Hopefully, the information listed below will be readable. Since there seemed to be difficulty of some subscribers viewing attachments, I opted to copy the document into the email. We'll see how it come out. ANDERSON COLLEGE DEPARTMENT OF MUSIC Mick GilliamSenior Piano Recital Assisted byDoug Denton, DrumsDaryl Martin, Bass Thursday, March 17, 1977Park Place Church of GodSanctuary � 8:00 P.M. Classical Gas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mason Williams (1938- ) Arr. James Miltenberger This original guitar solo was arranged for jazz trio by Dr. James Miltenberger of West Virginia University. The piece exploits several Renaissance and classical elements quite creatively. I have added some elements of my own to this arrangement to place it more in the avant-garde jazz idiom. Recording InformationKent Merideth, Recording Technician Recorded through a Nakamichi 550 Dual Tracer, on TDK SA (Type II) tape, with Dolby B noise reduction, using left, right and blend mic inputs. Left and right inputs were Altec, small capsule, condenser mics w/individual power supplies, positioned approximately 8� above the floor on boom-stands, 10� apart, and 10� from the ensemble. The blend mic was an AKG D160E dynamic, placed on a 9� stand located under the piano soundboard. Mick adjusted mic locations �on the fly�, to minimize disruption of the recital. This recital consisted of piano, harpsichord, jazz ensemble, and a cappella chorale, therefore the �staging� was quite varied. I was only allowed to make recordings on my own, for personal use. I was not connected with Anderson College (now University), or the Music Department, in any way, but was/am one of the sound technicians at Park Place Church of God. At the time of this recording, the Anderson College recording technician was taking his feed off the outputs of the 550, to their reel-to-reel deck, when I was recording. This kept the �clutter� of mics to a minimum. >>> rob755 at cwnet.com 07/11/02 08:14PM >>> Hi All, I received tape last night. I just recorded my selection & will forward to Kent tomorrow. I recorded Bruce Cockburn's.."Child Of The Wind". It was recorded on my CR7A from CD played on a Pioneer Elite CLD-95 (laser disc player)! . It was a tough decision...CR7A or ZX-9?....and even more so the selection. There's so much great music to choose from.....but this one has a special place in my heart. I chose the CR7A because the CD's recording is not particularly "bright" & I think the CR7 is a little crisper than the ZX-9. Other sources would probably benefit from the Z. This gear is very "group friendly"...being Stephen Sank's dearly departed CLD-95 & Ed Noyes (dearly departed) CR7A! Have fun! Warm Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smoke at snip.net Wed Jul 17 00:06:05 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:06:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] MARATHON TAPE 1 -- Move me To End of List References: <3D0E8472.000001.00428@CopyTech> <3D0F4B2F.000007.00676@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D3498CD.A62C7AD4@snip.net> I just received my Dragon and my Spectral pre-amp back from Steve Sank where they had been for servicing and am still waiting for my two power amps from Steve. However, I do not need the power amps to record.. But I still need to re-install, hookup and test everything before I can record. So please move me to the end of the list, after Roland Alford, and I will send the tape back to Carlos when I am done. Roland my mailing address, and my phone no. if you have any questions, are: John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 610-993-0941 Thank everyone for bearing with me. It's going to be great to get my system back together so that I can resume listening to music. Best regards to everyone. John El Magnifico wrote: > Hello: The Marathon Tape is in USA and has 2 songs recorded already with excellent results. Are all the members in the original list interested ? The second leg is going to Graham from Puerto Rico. The receiving order of the first leg is the following: Carlos - OKBleus - OKJohn TooleyDamon JoszRonJohn SmokevitchRob HamiltonStan TargowskyJohnny Walker (Black or Blue ?) !Kent MeridethHarshad KhatriMichael De WireEddy PolletRoland Alford - back to Puerto Rico Each one of you are gonna contact the your sending partner in order to notify him about your receiving address. RULES: 1- 4+ db constant level with ocassional 5+ peaks.2- Selections no longer than 5 minutes but the shorter the better3- Once recorded your selection, fully rewind the tape to the top4- Avoid keeping the tape more than 2 days5- We are gonna use just PRIORITY MAIL. No 4th class please !!!!6- Fill the companion form designed by Bleus7- Enjoy it ! While I'm writting this, Korea just eliminated Italy and Japan is gone . Carlos > ____________________________________________________ > IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C:windowsTEMPnsmailIS.gif Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Jul 17 01:16:18 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:16:18 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress References: Message-ID: <000801c22d1e$cdc5db40$8e232ac4@CopyTech> Nice Info, Kent ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent Merideth To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress Hi all, I received the tape yesterday afternoon, recorded my selection last night, and have sent the tape on to Stan this afternoon. Hopefully, the information listed below will be readable. Since there seemed to be difficulty of some subscribers viewing attachments, I opted to copy the document into the email. We'll see how it come out. ANDERSON COLLEGE DEPARTMENT OF MUSIC Mick Gilliam Senior Piano Recital Assisted by Doug Denton, Drums Daryl Martin, Bass Thursday, March 17, 1977 Park Place Church of God Sanctuary � 8:00 P.M. Classical Gas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Mason Williams (1938- ) Arr. James Miltenberger This original guitar solo was arranged for jazz trio by Dr. James Miltenberger of West Virginia University. The piece exploits several Renaissance and classical elements quite creatively. I have added some elements of my own to this arrangement to place it more in the avant-garde jazz idiom. Recording Information Kent Merideth, Recording Technician Recorded through a Nakamichi 550 Dual Tracer, on TDK SA (Type II) tape, with Dolby B noise reduction, using left, right and blend mic inputs. Left and right inputs were Altec, small capsule, condenser mics w/individual power supplies, positioned approximately 8� above the floor on boom-stands, 10� apart, and 10� from the ensemble. The blend mic was an AKG D160E dynamic, placed on a 9� stand located under the piano soundboard. Mick adjusted mic locations �on the fly�, to minimize disruption of the recital. This recital consisted of piano, harpsichord, jazz ensemble, and a cappella chorale, therefore the �staging� was quite varied. I was only allowed to make recordings on my own, for personal use. I was not connected with Anderson College (now University), or the Music Department, in any way, but was/am one of the sound technicians at Park Place Church of God. At the time of this recording, the Anderson College recording technician was taking his feed off the outputs of the 550, to their reel-to-reel deck, when I was recording. This kept the �clutter� of mics to a minimum. >>> rob755 at cwnet.com 07/11/02 08:14PM >>> Hi All, I received tape last night. I just recorded my selection & will forward to Kent tomorrow. I recorded Bruce Cockburn's.."Child Of The Wind". It was recorded on my CR7A from CD played on a Pioneer Elite CLD-95 (laser disc player)! . It was a tough decision...CR7A or ZX-9?....and even more so the selection. There's so much great music to choose from.....but this one has a special place in my heart. I chose the CR7A because the CD's recording is not particularly "bright" & I think the CR7 is a little crisper than the ZX-9. Other sources would probably benefit from the Z. This gear is very "group friendly"...being Stephen Sank's dearly departed CLD-95 & Ed Noyes (dearly departed) CR7A! Have fun! Warm Regards, Rob ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I am ready to pay for the copies + shipment. Thanks Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jul 17 06:14:06 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:14:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tape Project (Update 3) Message-ID: Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Jul 17 08:16:15 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:16:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tape Project (Update 3) References: Message-ID: <3D350BAF.2090208@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Swift work, Mr Bleus. I am trying to arrange a photo as well (but the camera lens keeps on breaking when I include myself in the shot ARF). The BlueSwapper wrote: >Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. > >Regards, > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Jul 17 08:40:03 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:40:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? References: Message-ID: <3D351143.8040705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Salim I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need to get out more. I can recommend a worthy international charity to which you can donate some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . (The Nelson Institute for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing the proprietor ) Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? And, Mr. Sank, (if you could tear yourself away from your bench for a second? thank you), what about McIntosh, which is now starting to make a bit of an impact over in the UK? I remember speaking to an American whose opinion was 'lasts for ever, but the sound gets tiring'. John Walker, (not afraid to start a new thread running today, then) The BlueSwapper wrote: >Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. > >Regards, > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Wed Jul 17 09:26:10 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:26:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? In-Reply-To: <3D351143.8040705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: The 10B probably was their best tuner but the early solid state tuners had a similar sound. I have a model-19 receiver which is a 20B tuner with oscilloscope that was made into a receiver using designs from their model-33 preamp and 15 power amp, without the brake light protection circuitry, thank God. I also have the famous 2270 and they're top 2 quad receivers, the 4300 and the 4400 which has an oscilloscope. Having worked with Pro Audio and being an audiophile as well, I can state that Marantz equipment from the 60s and 70s that is working properly sounds as good as many of the high end brands of today. I have auditioned many high end systems including Krell and Musical Fidelity with insanely expensive speakers and wind up going home and still very pleased with the sound of my classic Marantz. Granted the distortion and power stability on modern high end equipment is far superior but it is the way Music sounds that is the bottom line and classic Marantz in my opinion still delivers. If you like listening to FM stations most modern equipment does not have the sound from their tuners like the classic Marantz designs as well. Here in the Chicago area there are some great stations that play Classical and Jazz such as WFMT and WBEZ and with a good quality tuner and antenna great music can be enjoyed. It is fun as well to play with the Marantz quad receivers and their Vari-Matrix circuit does a better job a synthesizing rear channel sound than most DSP units built into most AVR type receivers. The oscilloscope is fun to watch as well and a useful tool. If your Nakamichi is playing a tape the was recorded with azimuth error you will see it on the scopes X/Y display. Classic Marantz is Good! Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:40 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? Salim I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need to get out more. I can recommend a worthy international charity to which you can donate some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . (The Nelson Institute for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing the proprietor ) Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? And, Mr. Sank, (if you could tear yourself away from your bench for a second? thank you), what about McIntosh, which is now starting to make a bit of an impact over in the UK? I remember speaking to an American whose opinion was 'lasts for ever, but the sound gets tiring'. John Walker, (not afraid to start a new thread running today, then) The BlueSwapper wrote: >Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. > >Regards, > >Bleus > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 17 10:11:22 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:11:22 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? References: <3D351143.8040705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002101c22d69$8addc180$223442cf@sank1> I love Marantz tube stuff, for sure. But I don't love *all* of their pre-'80's solid state stuff. The 500 & 240/250 power amps were excellent, as were the other couple of smaller basic amps. And the 22xx & 43xx/44xx receivers were mostly very good. Never liked any of their solid state preamps, though. On the receivers, I don't consider any of the Marantz's to be equal to the G-series through 3900-9900Z series "bigass" Sansui receivers(and the Nak 730) to be considerably superior in sound & circuit design. As for McIntosh, virtually all of their tube stuff was fantastic, and their first generation solid state amps were superb(but not all the preamps & tuners, etc.), but I would agree that the second generation transistor amps, from 1974-ish through 1990 or so, lacked the lovely "alive" quality that the earlier amps had, and were frankly boring. But the MC500 & later amps are once again(at least 150w/ch & up models) alive & fabulous, if not the absolute peak of music reproduction(i.e., my modified Moscode amps are better!). The ss tuners never got better than the MR80, though, and have been downhill by far thereafter, and the preamps have been hit & miss. On receivers, I love the MAC1700 & like the MAC4100, and could pass on the rest. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? > Salim > I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need to get out more. I > can recommend a worthy international charity to which you can donate > some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . (The Nelson Institute > for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing the proprietor ) > > Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or > tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' > pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner > is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what > does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of > one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a > modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid > state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? > > And, Mr. Sank, (if you could tear yourself away from your bench for a > second? thank you), what about McIntosh, which is now starting to make a > bit of an impact over in the UK? I remember speaking to an American > whose opinion was 'lasts for ever, but the sound gets tiring'. > > John Walker, (not afraid to start a new thread running today, then) > > > > > The BlueSwapper wrote: > > >Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. > > > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > > >Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. > > > >Regards, > > > >Bleus > > > >--- > >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > > > > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Wed Jul 17 10:50:18 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 04:50:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? Message-ID: <191690-22002731785018810@M2W059.mail2web.com> "Salim I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need to get out more. I can recommend a worthy international charity to which you can donate some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . (The Nelson Institute for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing the proprietor )" said John Walker All fallen women gratefuly received too, Salim. I'm trying to keep up the tradition started by the infamous Vicar of Stifkey (pronounced "Stookey") in Norfolk, England ... Graham -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Jul 17 14:06:40 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:06:40 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tape Project (Update 3) Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BB9@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey Eddy! It's great to see that I'm not the only one still using a Beta VCR. Great gear by all on the web site. Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper [mailto:blueswapper at angelfire.com] Sent: Wednesday, 17 July 2002 2:14 To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak Marathon Tape Project (Update 3) Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. Regards, Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thom at winter-harbor.com Wed Jul 17 16:04:52 2002 From: thom at winter-harbor.com (Thomas, Winter Harbor Software) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:04:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] alternate deck manuals for TD-350 install / schematic ? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20020717095340.01fd8890@winter-harbor.com> Hi all, Tim wasn't able to locate TD-350 manual / schematic after all. K.J. has sent some info for the TD-560 which might help; was a good suggestion to try looking at other TD's. (THANKS!!! Tim & K.J.) Was wondering if anyone else has manuals for other mobile decks that might be similar to the TD-350? I should have also mentioned that if it's needed to send paper copies I'm happy to reimburse the copying cost, shipping & handling. And appreciate the help very much. Thanks to everyone, Thomas >>Thomas- >>It seems that the manual for the Nak TD-350 is AWOL, sorry about that. [...] tim ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Jul 17 16:08:00 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:08:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon 1 progress Message-ID: Ron, The Marathon Tape is NO DOLBY, as specified. Of course, the original was played back with Dolby B. The guidelines listed at the tail end of the Marathon Tape Web Page are pretty well self-explanatory. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html My peaks very rarely reached +5db, as directed. With the pace we are maintaining on getting the tape back "on the road again", this may get completed by the end of August. We've got some great sounding tunes so far. Let's keep the cassette alive as long as we can. Hopefully, another 10-15 years. It still amazes me how much sound we can get out of such little real-estate! Keep on Nakin'. Kent >>> ra.ah at rcn.com 07/17/02 08:27AM >>> > Recorded through a Nakamichi 550 Dual Tracer, on TDK > SA (Type II) tape, with Dolby B noise reduction, using > left, right and blend mic inputs. Did you make a one-to-one copy of the original cassette? IOW, when listening to the Marathon Tape, will your selection be Dolby B encoded? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 17 16:09:21 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:09:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? References: <3D351143.8040705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D357A91.DF0A8664@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > [.........] > Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or > tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' > pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner > is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what > does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of > one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a > modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid > state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? In a previous life I ran an Electronics lab service, dealing mostly in building and repairing Hi-Fi equipment. For a couple of years, I did all the under warranty work for a Marantz distributor -- much of it, personally. Most of the stuff we got were the Japanese 22xx and 44xx receivers (which, I suppose, gives away my age...). These units were much in demand and were a best seller with the higher end crowd. On the whole, they sounded excellent and were reliable. I never actually owned one, but frequently had one hooked up to my system, playing for hours on end. There was also a sputtering of American made Marantz units (yes, 10Bs, too) that were built much nicer but didn't necessarily sound any better (I know full well many will not agree with this view). A couple of years ago I went back to the old country to visit family and friends. I rented an apartment from a widow that had seen better days (financially), but needed the money. There, on a book shelf, was a Marantz 2245... It wasn't even plugged in. Lettering on the faceplate was obliterated in places and the thing looked quite dilapidated. I fired it up... Some switch positions didn't work and the volume control was awfully scratchy (some of those electrolytics don't last 25 years). I then dropped in a CD and was taken aback -- the sound was still great: warm, rich, alive and room filling. I'll always have a soft spot for these Marantz receivers. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Jul 17 16:17:41 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? In-Reply-To: <191690-22002731785018810@M2W059.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <20020717141741.15541.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> The do maintain a top quality line which is more than can be said for other brands. However, as for the classics; I've heard the 10b is way over rated as a tuner particularly when compared to the 71 1000 and 4310 Now I've done it. Please don't hurt me! Javier --- "nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com" wrote: > > > "Salim > I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need > to get out more. I > can recommend a worthy international charity to > which you can donate > some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . > (The Nelson Institute > for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing > the proprietor )" > said John Walker > > All fallen women gratefuly received too, Salim. I'm > trying to keep up the > tradition started by the infamous Vicar of Stifkey > (pronounced "Stookey") > in Norfolk, England ... > > Graham > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Jul 17 16:46:31 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:46:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? References: <3D351143.8040705@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000e01c22da1$0611a740$b41a9bca@smarzuki> Don't worry John, I do get out often ... to hunt for old naks ! Then I stay for weeks inside my hut, bugging Mr Sank every 2 hours or so ... no wonder he dissapeared =). Speaking of pictures, I can't see Mr. Eddy on the picture, only his trace of cigarette smoke. And where's the Lord of Fallen Women aka Mat-man ? For a biased opinion regarding marantz, well, let's just say i want to marry my 120B tuner. I also like 2325's tuner section (& maybe amp) but not the preamp section. The 2325 tuner sounds almost similar to 120's and much much better than newer generation ss tuner that I've heard (not that many actually), definitely in different league than modern AV receivers' FM. I *think* i hear more dynamics ... it's difficult to believe that music coming out from 120B is compressed and limited to 15khz ! Cheers, Salim SM (really tempted to say "i'll donate a few caps but let them find their own naks", but i know it's rude) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? Salim I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need to get out more. I can recommend a worthy international charity to which you can donate some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . (The Nelson Institute for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing the proprietor ) Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? And, Mr. Sank, (if you could tear yourself away from your bench for a second? thank you), what about McIntosh, which is now starting to make a bit of an impact over in the UK? I remember speaking to an American whose opinion was 'lasts for ever, but the sound gets tiring'. John Walker, (not afraid to start a new thread running today, then) The BlueSwapper wrote: >Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. > >Regards, > >Bleus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Wed Jul 17 18:09:07 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:09:07 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2495 In-Reply-To: <200207171549.RAA31183@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:02 +0200 > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2495 > > Hey Eddy! It's great to see that I'm not the only one still using a Beta VCR. > Great gear by all on the web site. > > Tom Siomopoulos. Hi Tom, to be honest, The Beta broke down about a month ago ... and spare parts aren't available anymore . It's a pity, because I was just going to start copying my Beta tapes to VCD or VHS ... just like any computer user was just going to backup all his valuable data just before the harddisk crashes :-) When inserting a tape, it still pulls the cassette in, but the lever that should pull the tape out, doesn't function anymore . There's some white plastic mechanism (well ... yellowish) that should drive this lever, that's probably broken, but a quick look at it didn't allow me to understand the functioning ... if anybody should have a tip, he's welcome . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 17 19:19:48 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:48 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: Message-ID: <008201c22db6$27bb9da0$223442cf@sank1> Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2495 > > > > From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) > > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:02 +0200 > > To: naktalk-digest at naks.com > > Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2495 > > > > Hey Eddy! It's great to see that I'm not the only one still using a Beta VCR. > > Great gear by all on the web site. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > Hi Tom, > > to be honest, The Beta broke down about a month ago ... and spare parts > aren't available anymore . It's a pity, because I was just going to start > copying my Beta tapes to VCD or VHS ... just like any computer user was just > going to backup all his valuable data just before the harddisk crashes :-) > > When inserting a tape, it still pulls the cassette in, but the lever that > should pull the tape out, doesn't function anymore . There's some white > plastic mechanism (well ... yellowish) that should drive this lever, that's > probably broken, but a quick look at it didn't allow me to understand the > functioning ... if anybody should have a tip, he's welcome . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Wed Jul 17 23:02:00 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:02:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's In-Reply-To: <008201c22db6$27bb9da0$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3D35A308.11119.AE2A9@localhost> > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta was so much better than VHS :>) Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Jul 17 23:58:32 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:58:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <3D35A308.11119.AE2A9@localhost> Message-ID: <3D35E888.2E33A0B4@rcn.com> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > was so much better than VHS :>) > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one POV. -- Ron > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Jul 18 02:32:23 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 18:32:23 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <3D35A308.11119.AE2A9@localhost> <3D35E888.2E33A0B4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <009d01c22df2$9670b6e0$223442cf@sank1> VHS was "better" because RCA told people it could do 8 hours on a tape. Never mind that the video quality was unwatchable at that speed. Fortunately, Beta lives on as 8mm, basically speaking. And, of course, BetaED was the choice of TV stations that couldn't afford DII digital, all the way up until Hi8 cameras got good enough to largely replace them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > > was so much better than VHS :>) > > > > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long > dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, > it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one > POV. > > -- Ron > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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And, of course, BetaED was the choice of TV stations that couldn't afford DII digital, all the way up until Hi8 cameras got good enough to largely replace them. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > > was so much better than VHS :>) > > > > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long > dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, > it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one > POV. > > -- Ron > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rmwill at comcast.net Thu Jul 18 04:20:55 2002 From: rmwill at comcast.net (Rodger M. Will) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:20:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BBC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003101c22e01$bf16e970$9201a8c0@p4texp> I deal with Betacam SP often, as well as Digital Beta. Aside from the cost, video is very nice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:44 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > Not to mention Betacam SP, we are using it here in the Multimedia departiment at my work. We have Super VHS but the beta kicks it's butt everytime. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2002 10:32 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > VHS was "better" because RCA told people it could do 8 hours on a tape. > Never mind that the video quality was unwatchable at that speed. > Fortunately, Beta lives on as 8mm, basically speaking. And, of course, > BetaED was the choice of TV stations that couldn't afford DII digital, all > the way up until Hi8 cameras got good enough to largely replace them. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > > > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > > > was so much better than VHS :>) > > > > > > > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long > > dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, > > it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one > > POV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Thu Jul 18 04:41:40 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 19:41:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw:: Do we all like Marantz too? Message-ID: <000301c22e04$a63911a0$1c4a3542@compaq> Thanks for the input Mike. Your message makes very good sense. I also have heard that the Marantz 2270 is one of the more seeked for Marantz receivers. I purchased a 2240B when I was 17 years old. Since then I purchased 3 more Marantz receivers. At age 42, my ears always seem to go back to Marantz. I presently listen to a 2265 receiver. So Mike - if you're saying that a 2270 is a famous receiver, then what does the 2270 got that the 2265 is lacking? - Big Bear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? > The 10B probably was their best tuner but the early solid state tuners had a > similar sound. I have a model-19 receiver which is a 20B tuner with > oscilloscope that was made into a receiver using designs from their model-33 > preamp and 15 power amp, without the brake light protection circuitry, thank > God. I also have the famous 2270 and they're top 2 quad receivers, the 4300 > and the 4400 which has an oscilloscope. > > Having worked with Pro Audio and being an audiophile as well, I can state > that Marantz equipment from the 60s and 70s that is working properly sounds > as good as many of the high end brands of today. I have auditioned many high > end systems including Krell and Musical Fidelity with insanely expensive > speakers and wind up going home and still very pleased with the sound of my > classic Marantz. Granted the distortion and power stability on modern high > end equipment is far superior but it is the way Music sounds that is the > bottom line and classic Marantz in my opinion still delivers. > > If you like listening to FM stations most modern equipment does not have the > sound from their tuners like the classic Marantz designs as well. Here in > the Chicago area there are some great stations that play Classical and Jazz > such as WFMT and WBEZ and with a good quality tuner and antenna great music > can be enjoyed. It is fun as well to play with the Marantz quad receivers > and their Vari-Matrix circuit does a better job a synthesizing rear channel > sound than most DSP units built into most AVR type receivers. The > oscilloscope is fun to watch as well and a useful tool. If your Nakamichi is > playing a tape the was recorded with azimuth error you will see it on the > scopes X/Y display. > > Classic Marantz is Good! > > Michael ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Jul 18 05:24:17 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:24:17 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Salim's gear Message-ID: Salim, I'm impressed by your collection! A lot of very desirable Naks, made even better if you didn't have to pay too much for them! How did you mange to find so many Naks and Marantz, etc. gear? Where are the pics of your KEF reference speakers? 104/3 if I remember correctly. Did you have any problems with the drive units for the KEF's? Something about the tropical heat affecting the surrounds of the drive units and also the centre pole/rod. Maybe if I get the chance I'll go visit you one day! I've been relocated to Malaysia for a while, so am not in England at the moment. Cheers. Kelvin. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Thu Jul 18 03:22:14 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Master) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:22:14 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <3D35E888.2E33A0B4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D361846.000001.02036@mariano> Sorry to butt in, the last I heard was that VHS won the marketing contest not the technology. The fact is Beta is alive and well in the pro market, i e., mostly BetaCam is used in TV stations. I think the "H" in VHS stands for "home" Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:18:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > was so much better than VHS :>) > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one POV. -- Ron > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From enoyes at snet.net Thu Jul 18 05:27:11 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:27:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BBC@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <003101c22e01$bf16e970$9201a8c0@p4texp> Message-ID: <3D36358D.F9543E00@snet.net> The bottom line is that with exception to D1 component digital, no format will surpass Digital Beta for standard definition video quality, but Betamax is nothing more than a distant cousin, thrice removed from DBeta or even Betacam SP. About the only thing in common is the shape of the cassette. Ed "Rodger M. Will" wrote: > I deal with Betacam SP often, as well as Digital Beta. Aside from the cost, > video is very nice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:44 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > Not to mention Betacam SP, we are using it here in the Multimedia > departiment at my work. We have Super VHS but the beta kicks it's butt > everytime. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2002 10:32 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > > > VHS was "better" because RCA told people it could do 8 hours on a tape. > > Never mind that the video quality was unwatchable at that speed. > > Fortunately, Beta lives on as 8mm, basically speaking. And, of course, > > BetaED was the choice of TV stations that couldn't afford DII digital, all > > the way up until Hi8 cameras got good enough to largely replace them. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the > problem, > > > > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > > > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > > > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and > I > > > > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > > > > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > > > > was so much better than VHS :>) > > > > > > > > > > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long > > > dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, > > > it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one > > > POV. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jul 18 06:14:38 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:14:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Fw:: Do we all like Marantz too? In-Reply-To: <000301c22e04$a63911a0$1c4a3542@compaq> Message-ID: Big Bear, It is good to hear from a fellow Marantz enthusiast. The 2270 is probably one of the most popular units made because it was an extremely high powered unit in its day when 70 watts per channel was considered big power. You have to remember this model came out in 1971, I know as I listened to it at a local HI-FI shop, along with the Model-19 and all of the separates Marantz had to offer in November of that year. Over the years the 2270 seems to be the one that many people who want to get into classic Marantz seems to buy first. On the Audio Review web site it gets a solid 5 rating and many younger people seem to like this one as well. Since they were so popular many of them were manufactured and therefore still easy to obtain. Performance wise the 2270 tuner is good but not great, it did not employ a phase lock loop, your 2265 has better separation and lower distortion. The Model-19 receiver was the unit with the extraordinary tuner, I have one and it blows away any other Marantz unit in the house. The 2270 excels in its power amps in that it was over built. My unit currently produces 100 watts per channel at the mid frequencies and about 85 watts from 20 to 20K. So that is about 33% more power than rated at the mid frequencies. But then again most Marantz units were conservatively rated. My 4300 with all 4 channels driven produces almost 50 watts per channel instead of the rated 40. My 4400 produces 66 watts per channel with all 4 channels driven instead of the rated 50. And these specs are from 20 to 20K and usually under rated distortion specs. The thing is that all of these units are roughly 30 years old, which makes it even that more impressive. >From what I have read the series of models that your 2265 falls in (1977), are some of the best sounding Marantz units ever built. The following year Marantz changed the look of their receivers to the silver face and the cobalt blue lights. While many people like these units and some of the models had very high power such as the 2600 with 300 watts per channel with oscilloscope (Remember the receiver power wars) They were not built with the same heavy duty parts and had poor shielding in the RF circuits. Enjoy, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of bigbear69 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Fw:: Do we all like Marantz too? Thanks for the input Mike. Your message makes very good sense. I also have heard that the Marantz 2270 is one of the more seeked for Marantz receivers. I purchased a 2240B when I was 17 years old. Since then I purchased 3 more Marantz receivers. At age 42, my ears always seem to go back to Marantz. I presently listen to a 2265 receiver. So Mike - if you're saying that a 2270 is a famous receiver, then what does the 2270 got that the 2265 is lacking? - Big Bear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:26 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? > The 10B probably was their best tuner but the early solid state tuners had a > similar sound. I have a model-19 receiver which is a 20B tuner with > oscilloscope that was made into a receiver using designs from their model-33 > preamp and 15 power amp, without the brake light protection circuitry, thank > God. I also have the famous 2270 and they're top 2 quad receivers, the 4300 > and the 4400 which has an oscilloscope. > > Having worked with Pro Audio and being an audiophile as well, I can state > that Marantz equipment from the 60s and 70s that is working properly sounds > as good as many of the high end brands of today. I have auditioned many high > end systems including Krell and Musical Fidelity with insanely expensive > speakers and wind up going home and still very pleased with the sound of my > classic Marantz. Granted the distortion and power stability on modern high > end equipment is far superior but it is the way Music sounds that is the > bottom line and classic Marantz in my opinion still delivers. > > If you like listening to FM stations most modern equipment does not have the > sound from their tuners like the classic Marantz designs as well. Here in > the Chicago area there are some great stations that play Classical and Jazz > such as WFMT and WBEZ and with a good quality tuner and antenna great music > can be enjoyed. It is fun as well to play with the Marantz quad receivers > and their Vari-Matrix circuit does a better job a synthesizing rear channel > sound than most DSP units built into most AVR type receivers. The > oscilloscope is fun to watch as well and a useful tool. If your Nakamichi is > playing a tape the was recorded with azimuth error you will see it on the > scopes X/Y display. > > Classic Marantz is Good! > > Michael ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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A growing world-wide egroup community, with abundant chat and info sharing that revolves around classic Marantz audio gear. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarantzTalk/ K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 17:49:02 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2495 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:09:21 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? John Walker wrote: > > [.........] > Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or > tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' > pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner > is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what > does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of > one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a > modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid > state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? In a previous life I ran an Electronics lab service, dealing mostly in building and repairing Hi-Fi equipment. For a couple of years, I did all the under warranty work for a Marantz distributor -- much of it, personally. Most of the stuff we got were the Japanese 22xx and 44xx receivers (which, I suppose, gives away my age...). These units were much in demand and were a best seller with the higher end crowd. On the whole, they sounded excellent and were reliable. I never actually owned one, but frequently had one hooked up to my system, playing for hours on end. There was also a sputtering of American made Marantz units (yes, 10Bs, too) that were built much nicer but didn't necessarily sound any better (I know full well many will not agree with this view). A couple of years ago I went back to the old country to visit family and friends. I rented an apartment from a widow that had seen better days (financially), but needed the money. There, on a book shelf, was a Marantz 2245... It wasn't even plugged in. Lettering on the faceplate was obliterated in places and the thing looked quite dilapidated. I fired it up... Some switch positions didn't work and the volume control was awfully scratchy (some of those electrolytics don't last 25 years). I then dropped in a CD and was taken aback -- the sound was still great: warm, rich, alive and room filling. I'll always have a soft spot for these Marantz receivers. - -- Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Javier Perez Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? The do maintain a top quality line which is more than can be said for other brands. However, as for the classics; I've heard the 10b is way over rated as a tuner particularly when compared to the 71 1000 and 4310 Now I've done it. Please don't hurt me! Javier ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:46:31 +0700 From: Salim Marzuki Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? Don't worry John, I do get out often ... to hunt for old naks ! Then I stay for weeks inside my hut, bugging Mr Sank every 2 hours or so ... no wonder he dissapeared =). Speaking of pictures, I can't see Mr. Eddy on the picture, only his trace of cigarette smoke. And where's the Lord of Fallen Women aka Mat-man ? For a biased opinion regarding marantz, well, let's just say i want to marry my 120B tuner. I also like 2325's tuner section (& maybe amp) but not the preamp section. The 2325 tuner sounds almost similar to 120's and much much better than newer generation ss tuner that I've heard (not that many actually), definitely in different league than modern AV receivers' FM. I *think* i hear more dynamics ... it's difficult to believe that music coming out from 120B is compressed and limited to 15khz ! Cheers, Salim SM (really tempted to say "i'll donate a few caps but let them find their own naks", but i know it's rude) - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? Salim I've just looked at your photo opportunity. You need to get out more. I can recommend a worthy international charity to which you can donate some of those items of equipment if you like :-) . (The Nelson Institute for Fallen Women, Formby, Lancs - I'm blackmailing the proprietor ) Seriously, your pictures show a couple of classic Marantz receivers or tuners. A Marantz also appears in at least one of the US contributors' pictures. Is there some common thread here? I know that the 10B tuner is highly collectable, and typically goes for USD1500 or more. But, what does the group think of the more obtainable items? How does the sound of one of those gloriously over-the-top seventies receivers compare to a modern high-end set-up? Is the 10B exceptional, or do the other, solid state, tuners work just as well, at one tenth the price? And, Mr. Sank, (if you could tear yourself away from your bench for a second? thank you), what about McIntosh, which is now starting to make a bit of an impact over in the UK? I remember speaking to an American whose opinion was 'lasts for ever, but the sound gets tiring'. John Walker, (not afraid to start a new thread running today, then) The BlueSwapper wrote: >Updates have been made to the M-Tape Project webpage, with information about Kent Merideth's and John Walker's recording contributions. Also new on the webpage are photo opportunities of Eddy Pollet's and Salim Marzuki's Nakamichi gear collections. > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >Any additions or revisions to the webpage from M-Tape Project members, contact me directly via my blueswapper at angelfire.com email address. > >Regards, > >Bleus ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2495 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Thu Jul 18 06:40:34 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:40:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's In-Reply-To: <3D36358D.F9543E00@snet.net> Message-ID: As a former TV chief engineer I was there for the whole Betacam technology. The reason for its success was reasonable pro picture quality at reduced cost. At that time in the business (1980) 2" quad VTRs and type C 1" ruled the studio side of the business and 3/4 U-matic was for news gathering. Since Sony had spent all of that money on Betamax research for the consumer market they perfected it and introduced it to the professional market with major improvements, almost completely redesigned. One big difference was the speed the tape actually traveled across the rotary head was 6 times faster, therefore a pro Beta tape originally ran for about 20 minutes. Their big success came with the Beta Cart machine and LMS which replaced the aging and mechanically troublesome Ampex and RCA 2" Quad cart machines for spot playback. Later Sony improved Beta to the Betacam SP format, with longer running tapes and this was good enough to start phasing out 1" VTRs in the studio. Later Sony came out with D-II digital which ruled for awhile, I know I had their LMS and studio editing machines but the tape was bulky, and the machines were extremely expensive to maintain. Most medium market stations today have replaced Betacam with Panasonics DVC - Pro for news, it is digital, looks great and is cheaper than digital Beta. In the studio for spot playback Hard Disk servers now rule, as well as non-linear editors (Avid) and hard disk servers for production. Like some have said Betacam is still used by many television stations or its newer digital versions by larger markets and the networks. Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's The bottom line is that with exception to D1 component digital, no format will surpass Digital Beta for standard definition video quality, but Betamax is nothing more than a distant cousin, thrice removed from DBeta or even Betacam SP. About the only thing in common is the shape of the cassette. Ed "Rodger M. Will" wrote: > I deal with Betacam SP often, as well as Digital Beta. Aside from the cost, > video is very nice. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:44 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > Not to mention Betacam SP, we are using it here in the Multimedia > departiment at my work. We have Super VHS but the beta kicks it's butt > everytime. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] > > Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2002 10:32 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > > > VHS was "better" because RCA told people it could do 8 hours on a tape. > > Never mind that the video quality was unwatchable at that speed. > > Fortunately, Beta lives on as 8mm, basically speaking. And, of course, > > BetaED was the choice of TV stations that couldn't afford DII digital, all > > the way up until Hi8 cameras got good enough to largely replace them. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the > problem, > > > > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > > > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > > > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and > I > > > > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > > > > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > > > > was so much better than VHS :>) > > > > > > > > > > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long > > > dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, > > > it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one > > > POV. > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jul 18 06:36:33 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 21:36:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg TCD-910??? References: Message-ID: <3D3645D0.F662E14E@earthlink.net> I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about this cassette deck. I was unaware of its existence. Thanks in advance! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367442136 Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Jul 18 07:26:23 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:26:23 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg TCD-910??? References: <3D3645D0.F662E14E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000401c22e1b$a9b56fb0$3db5b742@pii366custom> http://www.nrhf.no/TB-TCD910.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 18 07:41:30 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Tiberius Gaius) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 22:41:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg TCD-910??? In-Reply-To: <3D3645D0.F662E14E@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Here is a link to specs and a photo of this tandberg unit. http://www.nrhf.no/TB-TCD910.html Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Jim Volpatti Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg TCD-910??? I was just wondering if anyone knows anything about this cassette deck. I was unaware of its existence. Thanks in advance! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1367442136 Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Jul 18 08:15:19 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 23:15:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg TCD-910??? References: Message-ID: <3D365CF6.A4DC03A9@earthlink.net> Carl, Roland, Thanks for the link. It looks like a heavy duty deck and judging by the reputation the recording studios that use it, it must be a high quality deck. Can anyone tell me how it compares to the Dragon, CR7A, TCD3014A and B215? Thanks! Jim Tiberius Gaius wrote: > Here is a link to specs and a photo of this tandberg unit. > > http://www.nrhf.no/TB-TCD910.html > > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Jul 18 09:05:34 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 08:05:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Fw:: Do we all like Marantz too? References: <000301c22e04$a63911a0$1c4a3542@compaq> Message-ID: <3D3668BE.1080700@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Guys Go look at http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz . This is the Marantz equivalent to Naks.com, and will tell you that the 2270 was made earlier than the 2265, and that both cost well over 500 bucks back in the 70s. I am tempted to get one of these for when I build my space-age, fur-lined, 1970s den. Groovy, baby. John (never serious) bigbear69 wrote: >Thanks for the input Mike. Your message makes very good sense. I also have >heard that the Marantz 2270 is one of the more seeked for Marantz receivers. >I purchased a 2240B when I was 17 years old. Since then I purchased 3 more >Marantz receivers. At age 42, my ears always seem to go back to Marantz. I >presently listen to a 2265 receiver. So Mike - if you're saying that a 2270 >is a famous receiver, then what does the 2270 got that the 2265 is lacking? >- Big Bear > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael E DeWire" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:26 AM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? > > > > >>The 10B probably was their best tuner but the early solid state tuners had >> >> >a > > >>similar sound. I have a model-19 receiver which is a 20B tuner with >>oscilloscope that was made into a receiver using designs from their >> >> >model-33 > > >>preamp and 15 power amp, without the brake light protection circuitry, >> >> >thank > > >>God. I also have the famous 2270 and they're top 2 quad receivers, the >> >> >4300 > > >>and the 4400 which has an oscilloscope. >> >>Having worked with Pro Audio and being an audiophile as well, I can state >>that Marantz equipment from the 60s and 70s that is working properly >> >> >sounds > > >>as good as many of the high end brands of today. I have auditioned many >> >> >high > > >>end systems including Krell and Musical Fidelity with insanely expensive >>speakers and wind up going home and still very pleased with the sound of >> >> >my > > >>classic Marantz. Granted the distortion and power stability on modern high >>end equipment is far superior but it is the way Music sounds that is the >>bottom line and classic Marantz in my opinion still delivers. >> >>If you like listening to FM stations most modern equipment does not have >> >> >the > > >>sound from their tuners like the classic Marantz designs as well. Here in >>the Chicago area there are some great stations that play Classical and >> >> >Jazz > > >>such as WFMT and WBEZ and with a good quality tuner and antenna great >> >> >music > > >>can be enjoyed. It is fun as well to play with the Marantz quad receivers >>and their Vari-Matrix circuit does a better job a synthesizing rear >> >> >channel > > >>sound than most DSP units built into most AVR type receivers. The >>oscilloscope is fun to watch as well and a useful tool. If your Nakamichi >> >> >is > > >>playing a tape the was recorded with azimuth error you will see it on the >>scopes X/Y display. >> >>Classic Marantz is Good! >> >>Michael >> >> > > > > >------------------------------------------- >Introducing NetZero Long Distance >Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! >Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Thu Jul 18 08:55:27 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 12:25:27 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tandberg TCD-910??? References: <3D365CF6.A4DC03A9@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D36665F.C2E9D328@vsnl.com> I think this model is no more than 3014A with minor changes - it looks the same ! Paying 1000 + $ is not worth while you can get 3014A for half that figure Kannan Jim Volpatti wrote: > Carl, Roland, > > Thanks for the link. It looks like a heavy duty deck and judging by the reputation the > recording studios that use it, it must be a high quality deck. > > Can anyone tell me how it compares to the Dragon, CR7A, TCD3014A and B215? > > Thanks! > > Jim > > Tiberius Gaius wrote: > > > Here is a link to specs and a photo of this tandberg unit. > > > > http://www.nrhf.no/TB-TCD910.html > > > > Carl > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Thu Jul 18 12:29:56 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 06:29:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's Message-ID: <232810-220027418102956763@M2W043.mail2web.com> In the UK at least, the TV news departments have largely gone over to 3-chip digital camcorders and digital editing suites. Much the same in Russia, my wife tells me (though not on the prgramme series for which she is working at the moment - they are apparently most envious of her little 3-chip Panasonic, which she has used to shoot some extra footage for some of the programmes she's been creating.) Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: Master mariano at starnet.net.ph Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:22:14 +0800 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's Sorry to butt in, the last I heard was that VHS won the marketing contest not the technology. The fact is Beta is alive and well in the pro market, i e., mostly BetaCam is used in TV stations. I think the "H" in VHS stands for "home" Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:18:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > was so much better than VHS :>) > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one POV. -- Ron > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== = ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Bill ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 18 14:12:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:12:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2495 References: Message-ID: <002501c22e54$6a5b63e0$aa1a9bca@smarzuki> Ooops, sorry KJ.! When I said Ben's marantztalk, I meant KJ's marantztalk .... SM ----- Original Message ----- From: The BlueSwapper To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 11:39 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2495 Greetings...... Would I suprise any NakTalkers with interests about Marantz audio equipment if I suggested that there has been a MarantzTalk egroup? A growing world-wide egroup community, with abundant chat and info sharing that revolves around classic Marantz audio gear. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarantzTalk/ K.J. Bleus ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 18 14:22:06 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:22:06 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marantz Receivers References: <3D36A04D.5E2EBD8E@warwick.net> Message-ID: <003201c22e55$bb643680$aa1a9bca@smarzuki> Bill, if you mean the marantztalk link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MarantzTalk/ you need to 'join' the group first and after a painless click, you can access the messages. If not mistaken, KJ is the owner. To view naks.com equivalent go to: http://www.classic-audio.com/marantz/mindex.html. There's 'hot tuners' & other marantz receiver info. I'm not sure if there's a 'top 10' list though. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wheatley To: Naktalk Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:02 PM Subject: [naktalk] Marantz Receivers Hi all, Ok, I'm in the market for another receiver, and all this talk about Marantz has peaked my interest, so now apparently I'm going to become a Marantz 'nut' as well as a Naknut. John: You're link to the Marantz equivalent of Naktalk gives me a 'Forbidden' message. Any clues as to what the 'magic words' are. How do we gain access? KJ: I'm checking out your Marantz site, and Marantzmart, but have to be off to work, and will have to check them in detail later. Do you have a personal 'Top 10 List' for Marantz receivers? Bill ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Jul 18 14:53:36 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 19:53:36 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT:Salim's gear References: Message-ID: <003901c22e5a$3a5e7b40$aa1a9bca@smarzuki> Thanks for the nice words, Kelvin ! At least now we know what a sight of 700TT can do to an innocent 12 yr old kid .... Seriously, most of those stuff came in non working condition, hence the good price. If only Wolfgang would post his pic of 'wall of Naks' ... one serious nakmaniak indeed. My first big nak was a headless dragon for $100. Of course the cost of new head (and new capstan, thanks to a canonical effort to remove capstan dirt) pushed the total higher. Once i can point out a flaw in a deck-for-sale ... it's mine =) 120B tuner can only receive in mono, ZXL's head even came wired in mono ! With the exception of my 'mint' CR7, they all now alive and kicking thanks to naktalk, schaltungsdienst and primarily to Stephen's support + patience. No problem with KEF at all: inner / small surround of woofer already rot but doesn't seem to affect its sound. Outer / regular surround seems to be the original one and rod still in good shape. Unfortunately the 104/2 gave way to a more 'balanced' Vandy 2ci ... kef is now for movies and kicked the sub out ! Best regards, Salim aka beer budget guy. PS: One peculiar 'tropical effect' noticed so far is a corroded Rogers' woofer basket (vifa / magnesium alloy ?) and the whole magnet almost fell off. Well, another reason for good price. ----- Original Message ----- From: winnie pooh To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT:Salim's gear Salim, I'm impressed by your collection! A lot of very desirable Naks, made even better if you didn't have to pay too much for them! How did you mange to find so many Naks and Marantz, etc. gear? Where are the pics of your KEF reference speakers? 104/3 if I remember correctly. Did you have any problems with the drive units for the KEF's? Something about the tropical heat affecting the surrounds of the drive units and also the centre pole/rod. Maybe if I get the chance I'll go visit you one day! I've been relocated to Malaysia for a while, so am not in England at the moment. Cheers. Kelvin. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Jul 18 15:03:06 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:03:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <3D35A308.11119.AE2A9@localhost> <3D35E888.2E33A0B4@rcn.com> <009d01c22df2$9670b6e0$223442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3D36BC8A.E318D9DB@rcn.com> Exactly. VHS was 'better' because it better met the requirements of most consumers. When VHS came out, it supported two hours vs. one hour of the Beta. In the face of this, image quality was a non-issue, except for a very small segment of the market. How much 'better' would be a car that is a marvel of performance, but doesn't have space for drivers over 5 ft. tall? -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > VHS was "better" because RCA told people it could do 8 hours on a tape. > Never mind that the video quality was unwatchable at that speed. > Fortunately, Beta lives on as 8mm, basically speaking. And, of course, > BetaED was the choice of TV stations that couldn't afford DII digital, all > the way up until Hi8 cameras got good enough to largely replace them. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > > > > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > > > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > > > was so much better than VHS :>) > > > > > > > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long > > dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, > > it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one > > POV. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Jul 18 16:03:25 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:03:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's References: <3D35E888.2E33A0B4@rcn.com> <3D361846.000001.02036@mariano> Message-ID: <001601c22e63$e5d1d810$0e2f2ac4@CopyTech> Did you all know that the japanese fellow who invented the VHS passed away? In those years he was working for JVC as director of new technologies. The first prototype was a disaster and he was stripped off his authority and his funds for research. It was a "semi-pro" version, very unreliable. He soon discovered that the tape was excellent for home use because of the recording time but not so good for pro applications due to the Beta's better image. Remember that in those years JVC was a relatively small company specializing in the music business. Anyway, after suffered an economical crisis in the 70's it was aquired by guess who ? Matsushita giant ! But it worked independently. Well, this fellow, with neither a budget nor official authorization from his superiors, he and his team worked after hours and during weekends to develope what we call today the "Video Home Systems" AKA as VHS. By the end of 1976 or so they haved a working model and somehow it came to the attention of guess who ? Mr. Matsushita himself !!!! The rest is history and the Beta died for domestic applications simply because of their own mistakes ( Sony). Trying to control everything, as always Sony try to do, they lost the license of VHS for the American market stupidly to humble RCA. By 1983 Sony accepted his defeat and move on with VHS too. The jap fellow, of course became a hero at JVC but he remained a quiet gent proud of his invention and of his team. He died in 1992 and his body was driven trough the JVC plant where he had worked for so many years. His name was Shizuo Takano. You don't have an idea how important was this Beta-VHS war for the annals of the pro industry. It's a classic. Happy 25 anniversary for the VHS ! Courtesy of, The Tape Man ----- Original Message ----- From: Master To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's Sorry to butt in, the last I heard was that VHS won the marketing contest not the technology. The fact is Beta is alive and well in the pro market, i.e., mostly BetaCam is used in TV stations. I think the "H" in VHS stands for "home" Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:18:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, > > and I may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & > > an SL-HF900 myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 > > years. A shame, since the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I > > think one of the coolest looking vcr's ever made. > > > > Hey, I stioll have an HF-750 around here, too. It was > the first VCR I ever bought, and I bought it because Beta > was so much better than VHS :>) > 'Better' can be defined in many ways. Since Beta is long dead, while VHS is thriving in the face of LDs and DVDs, it must have been 'better' than Beta, from at least one POV. -- Ron > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In those years he was working for JVC as director of new technologies. The first prototype was a disaster and he was stripped off his authority and his funds for research. It was a "semi-pro" version, very unreliable. He soon discovered that the tape was excellent for home use because of the recording time but not so good for pro applications due to the Beta's better image. Remember that in those years JVC was a relatively small company specializing in the music business. Anyway, after suffered an economical crisis in the 70's it was aquired by guess who ? Matsushita giant ! But it worked independently. Well, this fellow, with neither a budget nor official authorization from his superiors, he and his team worked after hours and during weekends to develope what we call today the "Video Home Systems" AKA as VHS. By the end of 1976 or so they haved a working model and somehow it came to the attention of guess who ? Mr. Matsushita himself !!!! The rest is history and the Beta died for domestic applications simply because of their own mistakes ( Sony). Trying to control everything, as always Sony try to do, they lost the license of VHS for the American market stupidly to humble RCA. By 1983 Sony accepted his defeat and move on with VHS too. The jap fellow, of course became a hero at JVC but he remained a quiet gent proud of his invention and of his team. He died in 1992 and his body was driven trough the JVC plant where he had worked for so many years. His name was Shizuo Takano. You don't have an idea how important was this Beta-VHS war for the annals of the pro industry. It's a classic. Happy 25 anniversary for the VHS ! Courtesy of, The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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How >do we gain access? > KJ: I'm checking out your Marantz site, and Marantzmart, but have >to be off to work, and will have to check them in detail later. Do you >have a personal 'Top 10 List' for Marantz receivers? > Bill >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Thu Jul 18 21:01:12 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:01:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 In-Reply-To: <200207180336.FAA02078@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:48 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, and I > may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & an SL-HF900 > myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 years. A shame, since > the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I think one of the coolest > looking vcr's ever made. Hi Stephen, Thanks for proposing your help !!! It's a Sony SL-F60, which according to the Beta-Palsite, is identical to the SL-F30 ( http://www.palsite.com/slf60ovi.html ) . On the left, there's the slot to insert the tape . About in the middle of this slot, but further towards the back of the VCR, are the heads . Just in front of the heads, there's a lever capable of travelling from the far right to the far left, and pulling the tape out of the cassette and around the heads . Afaik, this lever (a solid metal construction), is driven by a plastic mechanism situated to the right and back of the heads, and here I think lies the source of the problem . Since one picture says more than 1000 words, I've put 3 pictures of the inside at http://users.pandora.be/eddy.pollet/SLF60/ ... I hope this can help . So what happens is that when I insert a cassette, the VCR pulls it in, then lowers it, opening the cassette lid, and then nothing happens anymore for a few seconds, while the motor keeps spinning, and then it ejects the cassette . Any help would be greatly appreciated . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Jul 18 23:04:25 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 23:04:25 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] 70/80s MarantzSales Brochures----StuderREVOX Complete Product Brochure Message-ID: <001b01c22e9e$b39b3900$8d211ec4@private> Mention of various inferior brands of audio eqpt. on these halowed pages and the interest they have created has led me to throw out old brochures that I accumulated in my youth.Maybe someone in the group who persists on mentioning these brands on naktalk has an interest in them! Gratis and Mahala. Email me if you want them. They are :Marantz ,mostly 1 page product brochures of various tuners, receivers,amps and cassettes in colour of the 70/early80s.These show a bit of wear as they were not kept as collectors pieces! the revox product range A4 size(bound) is beautifull in glossy colour ! It covers their whole range from t/t,cassette(your beloved B215 is covered as well)amp,receiver,tuner ,speaker systems,remote ,reel,racks etc.Coming from darkest Africa it is a bit cumbersome to put (especially the latter) on ebay .I am intrigued to see if any of you traitors are even interested! My email address is wdrewes at iafrica.com .Will you cover my postage? WALTER DREWES -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Jul 19 00:37:30 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:37:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BC1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, If you want to learn more about the history of Beta vs VHS, have a look at this link.... http://www.sony.co.jp/en/Fun/SH/1-14/h1.html Enjoy Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ron [mailto:ra.ah at rcn.com] Sent: Thursday, 18 July 2002 11:27 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's Thanks for the info, Carlos. Very interesting. -- Ron ------------------------------ Original Message Did you all know that the japanese fellow who invented the VHS passed away? In those years he was working for JVC as director of new technologies. The first prototype was a disaster and he was stripped off his authority and his funds for research. It was a "semi-pro" version, very unreliable. He soon discovered that the tape was excellent for home use because of the recording time but not so good for pro applications due to the Beta's better image. Remember that in those years JVC was a relatively small company specializing in the music business. Anyway, after suffered an economical crisis in the 70's it was aquired by guess who ? Matsushita giant ! But it worked independently. Well, this fellow, with neither a budget nor official authorization from his superiors, he and his team worked after hours and during weekends to develope what we call today the "Video Home Systems" AKA as VHS. By the end of 1976 or so they haved a working model and somehow it came to the attention of guess who ? Mr. Matsushita himself !!!! The rest is history and the Beta died for domestic applications simply because of their own mistakes ( Sony). Trying to control everything, as always Sony try to do, they lost the license of VHS for the American market stupidly to humble RCA. By 1983 Sony accepted his defeat and move on with VHS too. The jap fellow, of course became a hero at JVC but he remained a quiet gent proud of his invention and of his team. He died in 1992 and his body was driven trough the JVC plant where he had worked for so many years. His name was Shizuo Takano. You don't have an idea how important was this Beta-VHS war for the annals of the pro industry. It's a classic. Happy 25 anniversary for the VHS ! Courtesy of, The Tape Man ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: POLLET Eddy [mailto:eddy.pollet at pandora.be] Sent: Friday, 19 July 2002 5:01 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:48 -0600 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, and I > may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & an SL-HF900 > myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 years. A shame, since > the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I think one of the coolest > looking vcr's ever made. Hi Stephen, Thanks for proposing your help !!! It's a Sony SL-F60, which according to the Beta-Palsite, is identical to the SL-F30 ( http://www.palsite.com/slf60ovi.html ) . On the left, there's the slot to insert the tape . About in the middle of this slot, but further towards the back of the VCR, are the heads . Just in front of the heads, there's a lever capable of travelling from the far right to the far left, and pulling the tape out of the cassette and around the heads . Afaik, this lever (a solid metal construction), is driven by a plastic mechanism situated to the right and back of the heads, and here I think lies the source of the problem . Since one picture says more than 1000 words, I've put 3 pictures of the inside at http://users.pandora.be/eddy.pollet/SLF60/ ... I hope this can help . So what happens is that when I insert a cassette, the VCR pulls it in, then lowers it, opening the cassette lid, and then nothing happens anymore for a few seconds, while the motor keeps spinning, and then it ejects the cassette . Any help would be greatly appreciated . Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It has had a recent overhaul and is in nice > shape inside and out, and after his going over it should be good for years to > come. > > If you are interested, please make an offer. I don¹t want to put it on ebay > and would rather see a die-hard get it! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com Fri Jul 19 15:01:17 2002 From: fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com (Fahad Abu Al-Saud) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Message-ID: <20020719130117.32180.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Nalk Talk, I want to sell my ZX9 which is in a very mint condition. I have spent a lot for changing the necessary parts, and the deck is now in an excellent condition and working as new. If there is any body interested in my deck please let them email me. Thank you all and have a nice day. Regards, Fahad Abu Al-Saud __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 00:59:03 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:59:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 Message-ID: <20020719225903.49463.qmail@web13103.mail.yahoo.com> I've always wanted a ZX-9 (even more than a Dragon), but, I'm a bastard like Salim and almost prefer to get my Naks in near hopeless condition. I enjoy working on them more than actually using them. I wish they didn't look like a rats nest of wires inside. Unfortunately I don't have much time anymore. The wife and child demand a lot of time from me and I only get to work on stuff after they've gone to sleep. On a slightly different note, the MR-1's my friend and I bought a couple years ago are almost gone. We only have 24 left. Scott J. --- Fahad Abu Al-Saud wrote: > Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 06:01:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Fahad Abu Al-Saud > Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Dear Nalk Talk, > > I want to sell my ZX9 which is in a very mint > condition. I have spent a lot for changing the > necessary parts, and the deck is now in an excellent > condition and working as new. If there is any body > interested in my deck please let them email me. > Thank > you all and have a nice day. > > > > > Regards, > > Fahad Abu Al-Saud > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erik at lotspeich.org Sat Jul 20 01:09:15 2002 From: erik at lotspeich.org (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT CDROM Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ken, I'd recommend using this as an opportunity to buy a nice CD-ROM drive like a Plextor. Since you mentioned that you do a lot of CD copying, keep in mind that Plextors are the best at digital audio extraction (DAE). I have an UltraPlex 32 (SCSI) and a PlexWriter 4/2/20 (SCSI) and they perform excellently. The UltraPlex 32 performs DAE of better quality and speed than my burner. If you're serious, I'd definitely recommend a dedicated reader. Keep in mind that burners typically have a slower and heaver laser, so their access times are generally slower than the readers. Furthermore, since their MTBF is generally lower than readers, it makes sense to use a reader as a general purpose drive and use the burner only for burning. Hope this helps, Erik. On Fri, 19 Jul 2002, Ken Bentley wrote: > The original Toshiba CD ROM in my 'puter is "playing up" it skips and jumps > on audio CD's (I have also put in a CD-R/RW). I can copy CD's but like the > simplicity of direct copying disk to disk. > > Question: > > 1 Should I just shell out $40-60 and put in a new CDROM? > 2 Is this a typical problem that can be cured with the wipe of a damp > cloth/ sharp tap on the cabinet etc. (the laser lens cleaner I have doesn't > seem to do anything!). > 3. Should I go the extra mile and put in a second CD_RW? > > As usual comments would be appreciated. > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- Erik Lotspeich Lead Engineer Tenon Intersystems erik at tenon.com 1123 Chapala Street Ste 200 805-963-6983 Santa Barbara, CA 93101-3142 http://www.tenon.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I can copy CD's but like the > simplicity of direct copying disk to disk. > > Question: > > 1 Should I just shell out $40-60 and put in a new CDROM? > 2 Is this a typical problem that can be cured with the wipe of a damp > cloth/ sharp tap on the cabinet etc. (the laser lens cleaner I have doesn't > seem to do anything!). > 3. Should I go the extra mile and put in a second CD_RW? > > As usual comments would be appreciated. > > Ken > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Jul 20 08:06:42 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 23:06:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Do we all like Marantz too? Message-ID: <000301c22fb3$9fd541c0$f38e9a40@compaq> I'll like to thank you again Mike and all fellow Nakers with their input on 'MARANTZ'. This is a great subject to discuss for I'm told by several sources that the 1963 Model 8B (or Model 8?, guess the year is correct) was one of three best amps ever made. Of course we know their old tuners and receivers were also great. I'm also told that if you buy one of their top tube tuners, that you stop listen to your CD collection for a while. I guess I'll always have a Marantz and a Nak till my final day. - Big Bear ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Fw:: Do we all like Marantz too? > Big Bear, > > It is good to hear from a fellow Marantz enthusiast. > > The 2270 is probably one of the most popular units made because it was an > extremely high powered unit in its day when 70 watts per channel was > considered big power. You have to remember this model came out in 1971, I > know as I listened to it at a local HI-FI shop, along with the Model-19 and > all of the separates Marantz had to offer in November of that year. Over the > years the 2270 seems to be the one that many people who want to get into > classic Marantz seems to buy first. On the Audio Review web site it gets a > solid 5 rating and many younger people seem to like this one as well. Since > they were so popular many of them were manufactured and therefore still easy > to obtain. > > Performance wise the 2270 tuner is good but not great, it did not employ a > phase lock loop, your 2265 has better separation and lower distortion. The > Model-19 receiver was the unit with the extraordinary tuner, I have one and > it blows away any other Marantz unit in the house. The 2270 excels in its > power amps in that it was over built. My unit currently produces 100 watts > per channel at the mid frequencies and about 85 watts from 20 to 20K. So > that is about 33% more power than rated at the mid frequencies. But then > again most Marantz units were conservatively rated. My 4300 with all 4 > channels driven produces almost 50 watts per channel instead of the rated > 40. My 4400 produces 66 watts per channel with all 4 channels driven instead > of the rated 50. And these specs are from 20 to 20K and usually under rated > distortion specs. The thing is that all of these units are roughly 30 years > old, which makes it even that more impressive. > > From what I have read the series of models that your 2265 falls in (1977), > are some of the best sounding Marantz units ever built. The following year > Marantz changed the look of their receivers to the silver face and the > cobalt blue lights. While many people like these units and some of the > models had very high power such as the 2600 with 300 watts per channel with > oscilloscope (Remember the receiver power wars) They were not built with the > same heavy duty parts and had poor shielding in the RF circuits. > > Enjoy, > > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > bigbear69 > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 9:42 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Fw:: Do we all like Marantz too? > > Thanks for the input Mike. Your message makes very good sense. I also have > heard that the Marantz 2270 is one of the more seeked for Marantz receivers. > I purchased a 2240B when I was 17 years old. Since then I purchased 3 more > Marantz receivers. At age 42, my ears always seem to go back to Marantz. I > presently listen to a 2265 receiver. So Mike - if you're saying that a 2270 > is a famous receiver, then what does the 2270 got that the 2265 is lacking? > - Big Bear > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 12:26 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: do we all like Marantz too? > > > > The 10B probably was their best tuner but the early solid state tuners had > a > > similar sound. I have a model-19 receiver which is a 20B tuner with > > oscilloscope that was made into a receiver using designs from their > model-33 > > preamp and 15 power amp, without the brake light protection circuitry, > thank > > God. I also have the famous 2270 and they're top 2 quad receivers, the > 4300 > > and the 4400 which has an oscilloscope. > > > > Having worked with Pro Audio and being an audiophile as well, I can state > > that Marantz equipment from the 60s and 70s that is working properly > sounds > > as good as many of the high end brands of today. I have auditioned many > high > > end systems including Krell and Musical Fidelity with insanely expensive > > speakers and wind up going home and still very pleased with the sound of > my > > classic Marantz. Granted the distortion and power stability on modern high > > end equipment is far superior but it is the way Music sounds that is the > > bottom line and classic Marantz in my opinion still delivers. > > > > If you like listening to FM stations most modern equipment does not have > the > > sound from their tuners like the classic Marantz designs as well. Here in > > the Chicago area there are some great stations that play Classical and > Jazz > > such as WFMT and WBEZ and with a good quality tuner and antenna great > music > > can be enjoyed. It is fun as well to play with the Marantz quad receivers > > and their Vari-Matrix circuit does a better job a synthesizing rear > channel > > sound than most DSP units built into most AVR type receivers. The > > oscilloscope is fun to watch as well and a useful tool. If your Nakamichi > is > > playing a tape the was recorded with azimuth error you will see it on the > > scopes X/Y display. > > > > Classic Marantz is Good! > > > > Michael ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Jul 20 08:46:10 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 07:46:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX9 References: <20020719130117.32180.qmail@web13908.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D390732.3020105@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I too would dearly like to own a ZX-9. But I am afraid I have far too many other priorities. Best wishes Fahad, and I hope that you find a good home for it. John Walker Portland UK Fahad Abu Al-Saud wrote: >Dear Nalk Talk, > >I want to sell my ZX9 which is in a very mint >condition. I have spent a lot for changing the >necessary parts, and the deck is now in an excellent >condition and working as new. If there is any body >interested in my deck please let them email me. Thank >you all and have a nice day. > > > > >Regards, > >Fahad Abu Al-Saud > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes >http://autos.yahoo.com >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 20 09:10:53 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:10:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 References: Message-ID: <005b01c22fbc$97322c00$3a3442cf@sank1> The only US unit I can relate your F60 to is as a non-hifi version of an SL-HF300. No resemblance to a non-hifi unit I can think of, which were all about 3/4" shorter at the time. You seem to be talking about the threading ring gear. This is driven by the same motor/gear unit that drives the loading mechanism. There is a solenoid right next to the motor that operates a "claw" that swings back & forth between the main drive gears for the two mechanisms. In your pics, it is seen "grabbing" the loading mech drive gear's "stopper" fins, which the teethed loading drive belt is right on top of. This is the position that allows the threading ring gear to be driven around the head drum, so, as it is, with tape not inserted, manually spin the gear with "stopper fins" that is not being stopped by the claw & see if it is able to move the ring gear. If it is able to move the ring gear, then the problem is not in the actual threading/loading mech system, but must be a fault in either the "tape fully loaded" sensing, or may actually just be a reel drive problem. For the latter, to diagnose, insert a tape, then, when the tape is fully loaded, see if you see the tape "jerked" tight by the reel drive, to pull up any tape slack(like in a Nak). If it fails to do so, the machine will see it as faulty loading & pop the tape back out after a couple second. There are two causes, both of which are mentioned on the "tech info" pages on the pal site. They are correct about the reel drive motor bearing & it's cure, but they are incorrect about needing to replace the "pendulum"(gear idler arm). If the idler arm is at fault, which you can tell by pulling it out & seeing if it is a bit hard to spin the idler gear on the arm, all you need to do is simply pull the gear off(magnetically held) & clean gummy grease from the contact surfaces on both parts & from the axle shaft. Then, apply a bit of silcone grease(tiny amount) to the shaft & contact surface, and reassemble. Should spin with magnetism being the only resistance. If the reel drive is not at fault, then something is going on in the "fully loaded" sensing, and I can't at the moment think of probable cause & cure. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "POLLET Eddy" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:48 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, and I > > may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & an SL-HF900 > > myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 years. A shame, since > > the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I think one of the coolest > > looking vcr's ever made. > > Hi Stephen, > > Thanks for proposing your help !!! > > It's a Sony SL-F60, which according to the Beta-Palsite, is identical to the > SL-F30 ( http://www.palsite.com/slf60ovi.html ) . > > On the left, there's the slot to insert the tape . About in the middle of > this slot, but further towards the back of the VCR, are the heads . Just in > front of the heads, there's a lever capable of travelling from the far right > to the far left, and pulling the tape out of the cassette and around the > heads . Afaik, this lever (a solid metal construction), is driven by a > plastic mechanism situated to the right and back of the heads, and here I > think lies the source of the problem . > > Since one picture says more than 1000 words, I've put 3 pictures of the > inside at http://users.pandora.be/eddy.pollet/SLF60/ ... I hope this can > help . > > So what happens is that when I insert a cassette, the VCR pulls it in, then > lowers it, opening the cassette lid, and then nothing happens anymore for a > few seconds, while the motor keeps spinning, and then it ejects the cassette > . > > Any help would be greatly appreciated . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 20 09:19:24 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:19:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BC2@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <006301c22fbd$c71a28e0$3a3442cf@sank1> The SL-HF100 looks to me like an SL-HF450 US model. The SL-HF950 is precisely equivalent to the SL-HF750, which, as I said before, I think is sexy as hell. The SL-HF900 was the previous model series, and was the first US SuperBetaHiFi model. Very nice machine, with insert editing capabilies built-in, and a very precise jog/shuttle control right on the front panel, which was on a control door that flipped down, revealing a duplicate jog wheel on the inner side of the door, along with the editing & other feature controls. The SL-HF500/400/300 models below it were HiFi, but not SuperBeta, contrary to the reference list on the PAL site. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 > That is a great site, my model is the SL-HF100. Stephen you mentioned that you own a 900, is that like the 950 on the pal website? Wow what a great looking machine. > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: POLLET Eddy [mailto:eddy.pollet at pandora.be] > Sent: Friday, 19 July 2002 5:01 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2496 > > > > > Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:19:48 -0600 > > From: "Stephen Sank" > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Beta vcr's > > > > Tell me what make & model & be a bit more descriptive of the problem, and I > > may be able to help you fix it. I still own a Sony SL-HF750 & an SL-HF900 > > myself, although I haven't used either in at least 5 years. A shame, since > > the 750, especially, is a super machine, and I think one of the coolest > > looking vcr's ever made. > > Hi Stephen, > > Thanks for proposing your help !!! > > It's a Sony SL-F60, which according to the Beta-Palsite, is identical to the > SL-F30 ( http://www.palsite.com/slf60ovi.html ) . > > On the left, there's the slot to insert the tape . About in the middle of > this slot, but further towards the back of the VCR, are the heads . Just in > front of the heads, there's a lever capable of travelling from the far right > to the far left, and pulling the tape out of the cassette and around the > heads . Afaik, this lever (a solid metal construction), is driven by a > plastic mechanism situated to the right and back of the heads, and here I > think lies the source of the problem . > > Since one picture says more than 1000 words, I've put 3 pictures of the > inside at http://users.pandora.be/eddy.pollet/SLF60/ ... I hope this can > help . > > So what happens is that when I insert a cassette, the VCR pulls it in, then > lowers it, opening the cassette lid, and then nothing happens anymore for a > few seconds, while the motor keeps spinning, and then it ejects the cassette > . > > Any help would be greatly appreciated . > > Eddy > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com Sat Jul 20 15:20:20 2002 From: fahad_mania74 at yahoo.com (Fahad Abu Al-Saud) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 06:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] CR7 Message-ID: <20020720132020.20233.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Naktalk, I'm offering my CR7 for sale. It is in a very excellent condition. It is also multi voltage. I'm the original owner and I have never seriously used it. I only tested it for playback, but I have never before recorded on it, not even once. The deck is basicly new. All original packing, original box, owners manual and remote control are available. I'm offering it for $1100. If anybody is intrested, please let me know. Thank you very much and have a nice day. Regards, Fahad __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jato at online.no Sun Jul 21 22:40:00 2002 From: jato at online.no (Jan A. Strand) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:40:00 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletin Message-ID: <000001c230fa$13f0ca60$b7464382@oemcomputer> Hello ! Is there anybody who can help me to find a Service bulletin for the amplifier PA7e2 ?????? Best regards Ivo køien. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 22 02:49:47 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:49:47 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletin References: <000001c230fa$13f0ca60$b7464382@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000801c23119$ade7fac0$941a9bca@smarzuki> Hi Jan / Ivo, Did you mean the service manual ? Just in case you can't find loaners, you can buy one from www.schaltungsdienst.de for a reasonable price: NAKAM BEDIENUNGSANLEITUNG PA7EII D;GB;F 1266220 OD04876B A If you don't speak German it will take a bit longer as the herren in charge of international order is on vacation now ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan A. Strand To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletin Hello ! Is there anybody who can help me to find a Service bulletin for the amplifier PA7e2 ?????? Best regards Ivo køien. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 22 02:59:58 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:59:58 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletin Message-ID: <002601c2311b$1a61f2e0$941a9bca@smarzuki> Sorry, wrong book number (should be #1317577 instead of #1266220): Firma Art Modell Bemerkung Sprache Artikel-Nr. ET-Nr. PG NAKAM SERVICE MANUAL PA7 II/AII/EII GB 1317577 0Q06113A C ----- Original Message ----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service bulletin Hi Jan / Ivo, Did you mean the service manual ? Just in case you can't find loaners, you can buy one from www.schaltungsdienst.de for a reasonable price: NAKAM BEDIENUNGSANLEITUNG PA7EII D;GB;F 1266220 OD04876B A ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jul 22 02:58:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:58:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletin References: <000001c230fa$13f0ca60$b7464382@oemcomputer> <000801c23119$ade7fac0$941a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <014401c2311a$d4965d50$58756acf@johnrotten> I'll 2nd. that. They put out excellent copies of owners and service manuals. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Service bulletin Hi Jan / Ivo, Did you mean the service manual ? Just in case you can't find loaners, you can buy one from www.schaltungsdienst.de for a reasonable price: NAKAM BEDIENUNGSANLEITUNG PA7EII D;GB;F 1266220 OD04876B A If you don't speak German it will take a bit longer as the herren in charge of international order is on vacation now ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jan A. Strand To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:40 AM Subject: [naktalk] Service bulletin Hello ! Is there anybody who can help me to find a Service bulletin for the amplifier PA7e2 ?????? Best regards Ivo køien. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betali at earthlink.net Mon Jul 22 07:46:51 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:46:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay References: <000701c2313e$994d2b60$a8243941@compaq> Message-ID: <002001c23143$2e3e4d40$090dd63f@0022406904> You should contact the seller to demand a full refund of the purchase price. Give him a deadline to reply. If he ignore your email, contact Ebay to see if you are eligible for insurance coverage. You have to do it quick since you are nearing the deadline to file a claim with Ebay. You should also obtain the proof that this guy cashed your money order. If you paid by USPS money order, then file a complain with the Post Office for mail fraud. Also contact www.fraud.org to post a complain and post a message at www.deja.com to warn others. The following is one of my online experience: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought something from a seller, who is a professional VCR service/repair person, with over 200 positive feedbacks on Ebay. I asked the sellers quite a bit of questions before I exercised the buy it now option. This seller demanded payment by money order and told me he would have to delay shipment with any other forms of payment, including cashier's check. He refused to take Paypal or other forms of credit card payment. When I asked him why he would delay shipment with cashier's check, he said he got burned once when the buyer use a counterfeit cashier's check for payment. I bought a USPS money order and mailed it to him the day after the auction closed. That was on April 8, 2002. Starting from about April 12, I emailed him every other day to ask if he has received my payment. Each time he replied that he has not received my payment. On April 22, I emailed him a scan copy of the money order and asked if he received the payment again. He emailed back to say no. In the mean time, he posted a positive feedback on me (even though he said he has not received my payment!) I ordered a proof from the post office at the end of April. Actually I was trying to find out if the money order is still outstanding so I can get a refund from the post office directly. On around May 22, I finally received the proof. The post office provided me with a copy of the front and back of the CASHED money order. Apparently this seller cashed my money order on April 13, 2002! I immediately sent him an email demanding a refund, together with a scan copy of the proof. I said if I did not receive his refund within 7 days, I will file a mail fraud report with the Posf Office and will also file a complain with the proper legal authority. He immediately replied by email to say it was his mistake and he would mail me a refund the next day. About 4 business days later I received a USPS money order for the amount I paid. I decided to post a negative feedback on this seller even though he sent me a full refund because I just can't imagine how this could be an honest mistake! He tried to retailiate by retracting his positive feedback! How unethical this guy is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I learned from this experience that: 1. Ask the seller lots of questions on the unit that you are interested in BEFORE placing your bid 2. Check the seller's references such as feedbacks and search www.deja.com or by using other online search engine to see if you can obtain more information on the seller. 3. ALWAYS paid by credit card, like using Paypal or its equivalent 4. Avoid buying from sellers who do not accept online payment and always include delivery confirmation with your payment, if the purchase is for a large amount and you must pay the seller by check/money order. This way there is no argument wether the seller receive the payment or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betali at earthlink.net Mon Jul 22 07:53:41 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:53:41 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay References: <000701c2313e$994d2b60$a8243941@compaq> Message-ID: <002801c23144$22aa04a0$090dd63f@0022406904> Forgot to mention that today someone has hijacked one of the pictures on an item I listed on Ebay. This seller has copied 99% of my description, used two of my pictures and stated "ALL PICTURES IN THIS LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". I always take my own pictures on used items and will disclose that it is taken from the actual unit for sale. This is the third time so far this year that someone has hijacked one of my pictures and used it as their own. The other two times the seller used the pictures but did not say "ALL PICTURES IN THIS LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". I was stunt that this person is so unethical as to not ask for my permission to use my pictures and also did not make the necessary disclosure that the unit in the picture is not the one he is selling. I just want everyone in this forum to pay more attention when shopping on Ebay. If you see some very familiar pictures, chances are the seller has hijacked/"borrowed" the picture(s) from someone else' listing. ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Mon Jul 22 09:03:26 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 09:03:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay In-Reply-To: <000701c2313e$994d2b60$a8243941@compaq> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020722085950.00a2aec0@box.tin.it> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 22 09:06:35 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:06:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay Message-ID: <01C23157.18377A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Persevere, buddy. Something similar happened to me once - was mad as Hell and started to send the guy snotty e-mails. Then, out of the blue, came an e-mail apologising for the delay but it had been due to an unforseen hospital visit, like for a heart attack! The item duly came and was in good order, etc.. What makes me wonder about your case was the fact that he told you the money had arrived - if he'd meant to just cash the money and not send the goods, why would he bother telling you the money had arrived? Best of luck Graham -----Original Message----- From: bigbear69 [SMTP:bigbear69 at netzero.net] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 6:14 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 << File: ATT00010.htm >> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Jul 22 12:11:21 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 03:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay In-Reply-To: <002801c23144$22aa04a0$090dd63f@0022406904> Message-ID: <20020722101121.40542.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Sometmes they have no idea they shouldn't be using it. Legally he can unless you have it copyrighted. You can add a real or bogus copyright notice on the pic IE: copyright 20002 Joe Blow. It's enough to discourage 99% of thieves Javier --- Ben Li wrote: > Forgot to mention that today someone has hijacked > one of the pictures on an item I listed on Ebay. > > This seller has copied 99% of my description, used > two of my pictures and stated "ALL PICTURES IN THIS > LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". > > > I always take my own pictures on used items and will > disclose that it is taken from the actual unit for > sale. This is the third time so far this year that > someone has hijacked one of my pictures and used it > as their own. The other two times the seller used > the pictures but did not say "ALL PICTURES IN THIS > LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". > > > I was stunt that this person is so unethical as to > not ask for my permission to use my pictures and > also did not make the necessary disclosure that the > unit in the picture is not the one he is selling. > > I just want everyone in this forum to pay more > attention when shopping on Ebay. If you see some > very familiar pictures, chances are the seller has > hijacked/"borrowed" the picture(s) from someone > else' listing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bigbear69 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:14 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay > > > I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May > 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. > The seller had emailed me stating he received the > money order a week after the purchase. The last > contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship > the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I > contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June > 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts > since then to contact him via email and phone but > again no response. Every time I call him there's > only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it > will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. > This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What > is a guy suppose to do? > Your input is well appreciated. > - Big Bear > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 22 15:20:41 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:20:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay References: <000701c2313e$994d2b60$a8243941@compaq> Message-ID: <001501c23182$98405e60$972f2ac4@CopyTech> Sorry to read this, Big Bear and welcome to the club of ex-ebay ripped off members. You can't do nothing and e.bay will not help either. There's a way where your money is secured until both parts are happy with the deal, but that's it. Good luck ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From betali at earthlink.net Mon Jul 22 17:00:22 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:00:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay References: <20020722101121.40542.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003701c23190$8187af80$31be9a40@0022406904> Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:11 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay > Sometmes they have no idea they shouldn't be using it. > Legally he can unless you have it copyrighted. > You can add a real or bogus copyright notice on > the pic IE: copyright 20002 Joe Blow. It's enough to > discourage 99% of thieves > Javier > > --- Ben Li wrote: > > Forgot to mention that today someone has hijacked > > one of the pictures on an item I listed on Ebay. > > > > This seller has copied 99% of my description, used > > two of my pictures and stated "ALL PICTURES IN THIS > > LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". > > > > > > I always take my own pictures on used items and will > > disclose that it is taken from the actual unit for > > sale. This is the third time so far this year that > > someone has hijacked one of my pictures and used it > > as their own. The other two times the seller used > > the pictures but did not say "ALL PICTURES IN THIS > > LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". > > > > > > I was stunt that this person is so unethical as to > > not ask for my permission to use my pictures and > > also did not make the necessary disclosure that the > > unit in the picture is not the one he is selling. > > > > I just want everyone in this forum to pay more > > attention when shopping on Ebay. If you see some > > very familiar pictures, chances are the seller has > > hijacked/"borrowed" the picture(s) from someone > > else' listing. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: bigbear69 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:14 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay > > > > > > I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May > > 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. > > The seller had emailed me stating he received the > > money order a week after the purchase. The last > > contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship > > the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I > > contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June > > 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts > > since then to contact him via email and phone but > > again no response. Every time I call him there's > > only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it > > will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. > > This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What > > is a guy suppose to do? > > Your input is well appreciated. > > - Big Bear > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bobos61 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 22 17:15:03 2002 From: bobos61 at hotmail.com (e mambruno) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 15:15:03 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay Message-ID: READ THE EBAY PG. THERE IS A WHOLE PROCESS TO GO THROGH. sorry for caps, left on. but, the best out is "CREDIT CArd" if you used one call and report you never received item. ed >From: "Ben Li" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay >Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:53:41 -0700 > >Forgot to mention that today someone has hijacked one of the pictures on an >item I listed on Ebay. > >This seller has copied 99% of my description, used two of my pictures and >stated "ALL PICTURES IN THIS LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR >SALE". > >I always take my own pictures on used items and will disclose that it is >taken from the actual unit for sale. This is the third time so far this >year that someone has hijacked one of my pictures and used it as their own. >The other two times the seller used the pictures but did not say "ALL >PICTURES IN THIS LISTING ARE TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL UNIT FOR SALE". > >I was stunt that this person is so unethical as to not ask for my >permission to use my pictures and also did not make the necessary >disclosure that the unit in the picture is not the one he is selling. > >I just want everyone in this forum to pay more attention when shopping on >Ebay. If you see some very familiar pictures, chances are the seller has >hijacked/"borrowed" the picture(s) from someone else' listing. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bigbear69 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:14 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay > > > I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not >yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the >money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June >27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So >I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. >I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone >but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to >leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay >action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy >suppose to do? > Your input is well appreciated. > - Big Bear _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Mon Jul 22 17:38:03 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:38:03 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay In-Reply-To: <001501c23182$98405e60$972f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: Big Bear, Sorry to hear about your Ebay troubles but I tend to agree with Graham in that if the seller was ripping you off they would have never informed you that they received the money. They would be long gone! One thing I do to protect myself is to never bid an anything of significant value where the seller only accepts money orders. I only bid on items where the seller accepts PayPal or some other means of credit card usage. That way the credit card companies on many occasions will protect your purchase. I hope the transaction works out well for you in the long run. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay Sorry to read this, Big Bear and welcome to the club of ex-ebay ripped off members. You can't do nothing and e.bay will not help either. There's a way where your money is secured until both parts are happy with the deal, but that's it. Good luck ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Mon Jul 22 18:02:39 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 18:02:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2504 In-Reply-To: <200207220220.EAA30572@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi Stephen, > You seem to be talking about the threading ring gear. I think that's indeed the correct term . Next weekend, I'll send my wife and daughter somewhere, and I'll analyse your description carefully, dictionary at hand :-) Thanks very much, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Jul 22 18:42:49 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:42:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay References: Message-ID: <002e01c2319e$d100f590$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Post Office money orders are good in that if you are stiffed the Post Office will go after the party, I'm told. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael E DeWire To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay Big Bear, Sorry to hear about your Ebay troubles but I tend to agree with Graham in that if the seller was ripping you off they would have never informed you that they received the money. They would be long gone! One thing I do to protect myself is to never bid an anything of significant value where the seller only accepts money orders. I only bid on items where the seller accepts PayPal or some other means of credit card usage. That way the credit card companies on many occasions will protect your purchase. I hope the transaction works out well for you in the long run. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 8:21 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay Sorry to read this, Big Bear and welcome to the club of ex-ebay ripped off members. You can't do nothing and e.bay will not help either. There's a way where your money is secured until both parts are happy with the deal, but that's it. Good luck ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:14 AM Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. July 24th it will be 2 months since I have won the Ebay action. This is my very first Ebay purchase - PLEASE!, What is a guy suppose to do? Your input is well appreciated. - Big Bear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Mon Jul 22 19:20:42 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 10:20:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay References: <000701c2313e$994d2b60$a8243941@compaq> Message-ID: <000a01c231a4$1bcb48a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Most important precaution is to closely look at the sellers feedback. If there is negative feedback, it should be in VERY low proportion to positive. Often there is also an explanation posted by the person who received the negative feedback which explains the situation and possibly the matter has been resolved. All good sellers will resolve problems. I have used this method and NEVER had a problem in hundreds of purchases, even sending cash in the mail to Europe and the Orient, where Money Orders are expensive to cash and PayPal is not as popular. My experience has been that the majority of sellers out there are honest, on a small percentage are rip-offs. Don't lose faith. Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigbear69 at netzero.net Mon Jul 22 20:10:48 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:10:48 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay Message-ID: <000901c231ab$1c1c98c0$2c493542@compaq> A refund is the last thing I wanted. I bought these speakers at $150. After winning the bid, the seller said it will cost (only) $38 to ship 2 speakers weighing 45 lbs. each from San Diego to Phoenix. Anyway, the speakers are actually worth $300 - $400 and I believe he made a mistake also charging me little for shipping. So I do want my purchase instead of a refund. If I was to buy this on Ebay again, I'll be expecting to pay $300 - $400 as that is what I've seen on previous Ebay auctions. I guess the guy just doesn't want me to have the purchase because I got an almost smokin' deal and he knows he can sell them for more. He knows what he's doing because his other auctions involved music / stereo equipment and has some 330 positive and 5 negative feedbacks. Yes, if he emailed me and said he received the monies, then you think he'll send the purchase. He also phone me long distance and left a message. That's why I've waited all this time before I'm contacting Ebay. Thanks for all the input guys. If you have some more advice please send it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ben Li To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay You should contact the seller to demand a full refund of the purchase price. Give him a deadline to reply. If he ignore your email, contact Ebay to see if you are eligible for insurance coverage. You have to do it quick since you are nearing the deadline to file a claim with Ebay. You should also obtain the proof that this guy cashed your money order. If you paid by USPS money order, then file a complain with the Post Office for mail fraud. Also contact www.fraud.org to post a complain and post a message at www.deja.com to warn others. The following is one of my online experience: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I bought something from a seller, who is a professional VCR service/repair person, with over 200 positive feedbacks on Ebay. I asked the sellers quite a bit of questions before I exercised the buy it now option. This seller demanded payment by money order and told me he would have to delay shipment with any other forms of payment, including cashier's check. He refused to take Paypal or other forms of credit card payment. When I asked him why he would delay shipment with cashier's check, he said he got burned once when the buyer use a counterfeit cashier's check for payment. I bought a USPS money order and mailed it to him the day after the auction closed. That was on April 8, 2002. Starting from about April 12, I emailed him every other day to ask if he has received my payment. Each time he replied that he has not received my payment. On April 22, I emailed him a scan copy of the money order and asked if he received the payment again. He emailed back to say no. In the mean time, he posted a positive feedback on me (even though he said he has not received my payment!) I ordered a proof from the post office at the end of April. Actually I was trying to find out if the money order is still outstanding so I can get a refund from the post office directly. On around May 22, I finally received the proof. The post office provided me with a copy of the front and back of the CASHED money order. Apparently this seller cashed my money order on April 13, 2002! I immediately sent him an email demanding a refund, together with a scan copy of the proof. I said if I did not receive his refund within 7 days, I will file a mail fraud report with the Posf Office and will also file a complain with the proper legal authority. He immediately replied by email to say it was his mistake and he would mail me a refund the next day. About 4 business days later I received a USPS money order for the amount I paid. I decided to post a negative feedback on this seller even though he sent me a full refund because I just can't imagine how this could be an honest mistake! He tried to retailiate by retracting his positive feedback! How unethical this guy is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I learned from this experience that: 1. Ask the seller lots of questions on the unit that you are interested in BEFORE placing your bid 2. Check the seller's references such as feedbacks and search www.deja.com or by using other online search engine to see if you can obtain more information on the seller. 3. ALWAYS paid by credit card, like using Paypal or its equivalent 4. Avoid buying from sellers who do not accept online payment and always include delivery confirmation with your payment, if the purchase is for a large amount and you must pay the seller by check/money order. This way there is no argument wether the seller receive the payment or not. ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 10:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Getting Ripped Off from Ebay I made an Ebay purchase on stereo speakers May 24th and still have not yet received my purchase. The seller had emailed me stating he received the money order a week after the purchase. The last contact he made was June 27th stating he will ship the purchase when packaging materials arrive. So I contacted him via email and phone 1 week after June 27th and no response. I made many numerous attempts since then to contact him via email and phone but again no response. Every time I call him there's only a recording to leave a message. 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URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Jul 24 18:56:29 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:56:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track Message-ID: <3D552DE9@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin Fred ===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >Name: John Walker >Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >Cassette deck: Nak 700II >Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >plus some cables I made myself) > >I will post it off to Fred today. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Jul 24 18:55:56 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:55:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track Message-ID: <3D552B53@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note Fred ===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >Name: John Walker >Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >Cassette deck: Nak 700II >Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >plus some cables I made myself) > >I will post it off to Fred today. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Wed Jul 24 19:33:00 2002 From: jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track Message-ID: Fred, everyone I cannot help at the moment, because my PC has just died, and I cannor access old e-mails. (I'm using my HP Jornada to send/receive e-mails.) Something similar also happened to Graham after the tape left him. Is this an unpleasant coincidence, or have we been cursed (by the Panasonic cassette deck group?) (Or is it just Graham?) Yours, cross-eyed, John Walker ----Original Message----- >From: FRED MOSS >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >Date: 24 July 2002 17:55 > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > >Fred > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >>Name: John Walker >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >>plus some cables I made myself) >> >>I will post it off to Fred today. >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Wed Jul 24 20:39:23 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:39:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track References: Message-ID: <018d01c23341$6ecbdc60$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> You haven't heard of the marathon virus! It destroys your computer, gives the owner syphailis and leaves town with your wife. The only positive thing being the later. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > Fred, everyone > I cannot help at the moment, because my PC has just died, and I cannor access old e-mails. (I'm using my HP Jornada to send/receive e-mails.) > > Something similar also happened to Graham after the tape left him. Is this an unpleasant coincidence, or have we been cursed (by the Panasonic cassette deck group?) (Or is it just Graham?) > > Yours, cross-eyed, John Walker > > ----Original Message----- > >From: FRED MOSS > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >Date: 24 July 2002 17:55 > > > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham > >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw > >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or > >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? > >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > > > >Fred > > > > > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker ===== > >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. > >>Name: John Walker > >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it > >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 > >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George > >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel > >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II > >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - > >>plus some cables I made myself) > >> > >>I will post it off to Fred today. > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ === > >====== > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ === > >====== > > > >Totalise - the Users ISP > >---------------------- > >To become a member and a shareholder > >visit http://www.totalise.net > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Jul 24 20:49:02 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 12:49:02 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease References: <3D569D2E@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <03a601c23342$c84c58e0$3a3442cf@sank1> Best is polystyrene(Philips, Mial or Xicon), second would be Wima polypropylene, third would be Panasonic or Hitachi polyesters. You have to keep the 1800pf(aka 0.0018uf) value & should 50v or higher voltage. You should save yourself a lot of future headaches & replace all the orange caps, though, of course. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "FRED MOSS" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease > I am dealing witha a chronic case of orange cap disease (i think) and the > culprits are 1800pf 100v, what type of cap should i replace them with and how > close to the value can i stray if i cannot locate the exact value????? > > > Fred > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 24 21:30:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:30:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track Message-ID: <01C23351.B8822660.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Fred The order and addresses of each person on the list was with the attachment I sent to everyone on the Tape Two list - you should have it. Unfortunately, I don't now have a copy because the wonderful engineer who repaired my PC failed to copy the Outlook folder wherein it was before he wiped the hard drive clean ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: FRED MOSS [SMTP:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 5:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track >Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note Fred ===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >Name: John Walker >Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >Cassette deck: Nak 700II >Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >plus some cables I made myself) > >I will post it off to Fred today. > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 24 21:38:52 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:38:52 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track Message-ID: <01C23352.3BE20C00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I can cope with the syphailis and it leaving town with my wife - it's what it does to my computer that upsets me ... Graham -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:39 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track You haven't heard of the marathon virus! It destroys your computer, gives the owner syphailis and leaves town with your wife. The only positive thing being the later. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > Fred, everyone > I cannot help at the moment, because my PC has just died, and I cannor access old e-mails. (I'm using my HP Jornada to send/receive e-mails.) > > Something similar also happened to Graham after the tape left him. Is this an unpleasant coincidence, or have we been cursed (by the Panasonic cassette deck group?) (Or is it just Graham?) > > Yours, cross-eyed, John Walker > > ----Original Message----- > >From: FRED MOSS > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > >Date: 24 July 2002 17:55 > > > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham > >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw > >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or > >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? > >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > > > >Fred > > > > > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker ===== > >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. > >>Name: John Walker > >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it > >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 > >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George > >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel > >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II > >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - > >>plus some cables I made myself) > >> > >>I will post it off to Fred today. > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ === > >====== > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ === > >====== > > > >Totalise - the Users ISP > >---------------------- > >To become a member and a shareholder > >visit http://www.totalise.net > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Jul 24 21:45:18 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:45:18 +0100 Subject: FWD: RE: [naktalk] Orange cap disease Message-ID: <3D58852F@mail.totalise.co.uk> >===== Original Message From FRED MOSS ===== >The only type i can find of the exact spec is silvered mica D15 series. will these work? FRed ===== Original Message From "Stephen Sank" ===== >Best is polystyrene(Philips, Mial or Xicon), second would be Wima >polypropylene, third would be Panasonic or Hitachi polyesters. You have to >keep the 1800pf(aka 0.0018uf) value & should 50v or higher voltage. >You should save yourself a lot of future headaches & replace all the orange >caps, though, of course. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "FRED MOSS" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 12:08 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease > > >> I am dealing witha a chronic case of orange cap disease (i think) and the >> culprits are 1800pf 100v, what type of cap should i replace them with and >how >> close to the value can i stray if i cannot locate the exact value????? >> >> >> Fred >> >> Totalise - the Users ISP >> ---------------------- >> To become a member and a shareholder >> visit http://www.totalise.net >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jul 24 23:19:17 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 14:19:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2510 (M-Tape 2 Status) Message-ID: Here's the info we have listed for M-Tape 2 names (in planned order of mailing) on the M-Tape status webpage: Graham Nelson John Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson, Derbyshire, England UK Eddy Pollet, Hove, Belgium Ezio Lucenti, Dolo, Italy Nicholas Gornostayev, Moscow, Russia Marc Hugo, Free State, South Africa Salim Marzuki, Jakarta, Indonesia Tom Siomopoulos, Victoria, Australia Alas, I don't have address information. A bit more info details are listed on the webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html It appears that you M-Tape 2 fellows are on your own to connect and exchange mailing addresses, making particular other arrangements. You can utilize me and the website for an alternative clearinghouse if needed. With best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:51:28 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2510 > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:56:29 +0100 >From: FRED MOSS >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin > >Fred > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >>Name: John Walker >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >>plus some cables I made myself) >> >>I will post it off to Fred today. >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >- ---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:55:56 +0100 >From: FRED MOSS >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > >Fred > > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2510 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 25 00:08:40 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 23:08:40 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2510 (M-Tape 2 Status) Message-ID: <01C23367.1BAA7840.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Blues/Guys Lest you can't find the original focument I sent you, here's a copy I just recovered. It's a RTF file. . Graham -----Original Message----- From: The BlueSwapper [SMTP:blueswapper at angelfire.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2510 (M-Tape 2 Status) Here's the info we have listed for M-Tape 2 names (in planned order of mailing) on the M-Tape status webpage: Graham Nelson John Walker Fred Moss Jim Simpson, Derbyshire, England UK Eddy Pollet, Hove, Belgium Ezio Lucenti, Dolo, Italy Nicholas Gornostayev, Moscow, Russia Marc Hugo, Free State, South Africa Salim Marzuki, Jakarta, Indonesia Tom Siomopoulos, Victoria, Australia Alas, I don't have address information. A bit more info details are listed on the webpage: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html It appears that you M-Tape 2 fellows are on your own to connect and exchange mailing addresses, making particular other arrangements. You can utilize me and the website for an alternative clearinghouse if needed. With best regards, K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:51:28 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2510 > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:56:29 +0100 >From: FRED MOSS >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin > >Fred > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker ===== >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >>Name: John Walker >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >>plus some cables I made myself) >> >>I will post it off to Fred today. >> >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ----=== >====== >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ----=== >====== > >Totalise - the Users ISP >- ---------------------- >To become a member and a shareholder >visit http://www.totalise.net > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:55:56 +0100 >From: FRED MOSS >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and Kinshaw >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information or >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > >Fred > > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2510 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tape Marathon - RTF.rtf Type: application/msword Size: 13547 bytes Desc: not available URL: From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Thu Jul 25 01:21:11 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 00:21:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2510 (M-Tape 2 Status) Message-ID: <3D5C6E84@mail.totalise.co.uk> Thanks It will be on its way to Jim in the morning Fred ===== Original Message From Graham Nelson ===== >Blues/Guys > >Lest you can't find the original focument I sent you, here's a copy I just >recovered. It's a RTF file. > >. >Graham >-----Original Message----- >From: The BlueSwapper [SMTP:blueswapper at angelfire.com] >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:19 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Cc: >Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2510 (M-Tape 2 Status) > >Here's the info we have listed for M-Tape 2 names (in planned order of >mailing) on the M-Tape status webpage: > >Graham Nelson > >John Walker > >Fred Moss > >Jim Simpson, Derbyshire, England UK > >Eddy Pollet, Hove, Belgium > >Ezio Lucenti, Dolo, Italy > >Nicholas Gornostayev, Moscow, Russia > >Marc Hugo, Free State, South Africa > >Salim Marzuki, Jakarta, Indonesia > >Tom Siomopoulos, Victoria, Australia > >Alas, I don't have address information. A bit more info details are listed >on the webpage: > >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > >It appears that you M-Tape 2 fellows are on your own to connect and >exchange mailing addresses, making particular other arrangements. You can >utilize me and the website for an alternative clearinghouse if needed. > >With best regards, > >K.J. Bleus >Madison, Wisc USA > >--- >Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? >http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > >On Wed, 24 Jul 2002 20:51:28 > naktalk-digest wrote: >> >>naktalk-digest Wednesday, July 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number >2510 >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:56:29 +0100 >>From: FRED MOSS >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track >> >>>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >>analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and >Kinshaw >>perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information >or >>forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >>My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin >> >>Fred >> >> >> >>===== Original Message From John Walker >===== >>>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. >>>Name: John Walker >>>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it >>>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 >>>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George >>>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel >>>Cassette deck: Nak 700II >>>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso (phew - >>>plus some cables I made myself) >>> >>>I will post it off to Fred today. >>> >>>========-------------------------------------------------------------- >----=== >>====== >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========-------------------------------------------------------------- >----=== >>====== >> >>Totalise - the Users ISP >>- ---------------------- >>To become a member and a shareholder >>visit http://www.totalise.net >> >>========--------------------------------------------------------------- >---========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========--------------------------------------------------------------- >---========= >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:55:56 +0100 >>From: FRED MOSS >>Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track >> >>>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was Nottingham >>analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and >Kinshaw >>perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for information >or >>forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? >>My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note >> >>Fred >> > >> >>------------------------------ >> >>End of naktalk-digest V2 #2510 >>****************************** >> >> > > >Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably >Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. >Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Please consider this while planning shipments for the European Marathon Tape. Ciao Ezio Lucenti (Italy) At 08:38 PM 7/24/02 +0100, you wrote: >I can cope with the syphailis and it leaving town with my wife - it's what >it does to my computer that upsets me ... > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:39 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >You haven't heard of the marathon virus! It destroys your computer, gives >the owner syphailis and leaves town with your wife. The only positive thing >being the later. > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:33 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > > > > Fred, everyone > > I cannot help at the moment, because my PC has just died, and I cannor >access old e-mails. (I'm using my HP Jornada to send/receive e-mails.) > > > > Something similar also happened to Graham after the tape left him. Is this >an unpleasant coincidence, or have we been cursed (by the Panasonic cassette >deck group?) (Or is it just Graham?) > > > > Yours, cross-eyed, John Walker > > > > ----Original Message----- > > >From: FRED MOSS > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Date: 24 July 2002 17:55 > > > > > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was >Nottingham > > >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and >Kinshaw > > >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for >information or > > >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? > > >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > > > > > >Fred > > > > > > > > > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker >===== > > >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. > > >>Name: John Walker > > >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it > > >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 > > >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George > > >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel > > >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II > > >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso >(phew - > > >>plus some cables I made myself) > > >> > > >>I will post it off to Fred today. > > >> > > > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >=== Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Jul 26 09:05:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 08:05:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - leaving for 1 month Message-ID: <01C2347B.4AD526A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Guys See revised order - effectively it puts Ezio at the end of the route before the tape is sent to Carlos. Thus, Tom will now send the tape to Ezio and Ezio will send it to Carlos. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [SMTP:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - leaving for 1 month Dears I am leaving for holidays and I am going to be back the 2nd of September . Please consider this while planning shipments for the European Marathon Tape. Ciao Ezio Lucenti (Italy) At 08:38 PM 7/24/02 +0100, you wrote: >I can cope with the syphailis and it leaving town with my wife - it's what >it does to my computer that upsets me ... > >Graham > >-----Original Message----- >From: John M. Tooley [SMTP:jmtooley at ce.net] >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 7:39 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > >You haven't heard of the marathon virus! It destroys your computer, gives >the owner syphailis and leaves town with your wife. The only positive thing >being the later. > >John >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:33 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > > > > Fred, everyone > > I cannot help at the moment, because my PC has just died, and I cannor >access old e-mails. (I'm using my HP Jornada to send/receive e-mails.) > > > > Something similar also happened to Graham after the tape left him. Is this >an unpleasant coincidence, or have we been cursed (by the Panasonic cassette >deck group?) (Or is it just Graham?) > > > > Yours, cross-eyed, John Walker > > > > ----Original Message----- > > >From: FRED MOSS > > >To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - back on track > > >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > > >Date: 24 July 2002 17:55 > > > > > >>Tape recieved and my selection recorded on 1000zxl. Source was >Nottingham > > >analogue Hyperspace with 12 inch Morch DP6 Koetsu Urushi pickup and >Kinshaw > > >perception phono stage. There is no document with the tape for >information or > > >forwarding onto.....John do you know where it should go next? > > >My selection was Bottle by Marc Moulin on Blue Note > > > > > >Fred > > > > > > > > > > > >===== Original Message From John Walker >===== > > >>I got it yesterday, and I have put my track on to it. > > >>Name: John Walker > > >>Track/Album: Too Many Ups and Downs from the album 'Puttin' it > > >>Down'Audioquest AQ1038 > > >>Arists: Terry Evans (+Ry Cooder, Ray Williams, Joachim Cooder, George > > >>Bohanon, Hence Powell, Jorge Calderon, Jesse Samsel > > >>Cassette deck: Nak 700II > > >>Source: Pink Triangle Anniversary/SME IV/Lyra Lydian/Michell Iso >(phew - > > >>plus some cables I made myself) > > >> > > >>I will post it off to Fred today. > > >> > > > >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ---- >=== Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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(I'm having a bad month ....) I also gathered I had Nick's address slightly wrong (a typo) ... that could make a difference! Otherwise, everything is as I described before, as below. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [SMTP:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 8:06 AM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - leaving for 1 month Guys See revised order - effectively it puts Ezio at the end of the route before the tape is sent to Carlos. Thus, Tom will now send the tape to Ezio and Ezio will send it to Carlos. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Ezio [SMTP:ezio_lucenti at tin.it] Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 2:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Euro-marathon - leaving for 1 month Dears I am leaving for holidays and I am going to be back the 2nd of September . Please consider this while planning shipments for the European Marathon Tape. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Jul 27 21:38:05 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 21:38:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends Message-ID: Sincere sympathy to our Ukranian friends - Misha Miranov and any others who may be naktalkers - hope you were nowhere near the terrible accident at the Lviv airshow today. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends > Sincere sympathy to our Ukranian friends - Misha Miranov and any others who may be naktalkers - hope you were nowhere near the terrible accident at the Lviv airshow today. > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Jul 27 23:17:33 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:17:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CM1000 condensor mics on ebay Message-ID: <003c01c235b3$0709dc20$353442cf@sank1> For the sake of helping out a client & just 'cause they're rare & superb, I'd like to mention that a pair of Nak CM-1000 true condensor mics(not electrets) are now on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=896230219, which I converted to phantom power(4 of them, actually) for the owner just a week ago. Originally, they ran off a 9V power supply box, of which he owned only one, as 48V phantom power had not yet become a standard at the time these were designed, which was at the same time as the CM-700 electret. So, with a very easy modification, these now run on standard phantom power, as found on most modern mixers & mic preamps. I think these mics are quite on the same par as Schoeps & small Neumann condensors, so this is an extremely rare chance to get a superb pair of very, very rare mics. Prior to this guy sending them for mods, I had only ever seen one CM1000 in person in the last 20 years. I still prefer ribbon mics, but I would not mind owning this pair of condensors. Just can't afford 'em! Oh, and they will carry my one year warranty for the buyer. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Sat Jul 27 23:56:55 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 16:56:55 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My deepest sympathies go out to them as well, from the USA. Sincerely, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mark Hugo Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:38 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends Sincere sympathy to our Ukranian friends - Misha Miranov and any others who may be naktalkers - hope you were nowhere near the terrible accident at the Lviv airshow today. Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Sun Jul 28 01:43:43 2002 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 18:43:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak CM1000 condensor mics on ebay In-Reply-To: <003c01c235b3$0709dc20$353442cf@sank1> Message-ID: He sure wants an amr and a leg for shipping! VideoVern ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Jul 28 09:22:08 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:22:08 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends References: Message-ID: Thanks Marc! It's a terrible tragedy! But not only - two weeks ago 60 mainers died in a main, looks like the whole situation oin our country lead us for tech-catastrophes... Misha >Sincere sympathy to our Ukranian friends - Misha Miranov and any others who may be naktalkers - hope you were nowhere near the terrible accident at the Lviv airshow today. > >Marc > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sun Jul 28 09:33:58 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 09:33:58 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends References: Message-ID: Thanks to all Naktalkers! It's a terrible tragedy. I was crying yesterday wathching the tv. Unfortunately those things now became common for Ukraine... Fot those who interesting: www.pravda.com.ua/en (the only truly independent mass-media source about Ukraine. The first editor Georgiy Gongadze was killed according to president Kuchma direct order. President's guard major Melnichenko did record thousand!!! hours of Kuchma criminal conversation at his office and now this tapes in States under investigation) -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bringmemyshotgun at yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 10:04:46 2002 From: bringmemyshotgun at yahoo.com (Anonymous Person) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Deadhead's Taping Addendum Message-ID: <20020729080446.41885.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Orders are now being accepted for The Deadhead's Taping Addendum, the final installment of the critically acclaimed, award winning series, The Deadhead's Taping Compendium (Vols. 1-3). This final addition specifically addresses the onslaught of newly circulating music that has surfaced since our last publication, and is an essential companion to the first three volumes, containing a wealth of information and new data for both new tapers and old school veterans alike. It also stands quite tall as an enjoyable read by itself. The Addendum will include in-depth reviews and analysis of over 175 newly circulating performances. The majority of these shows are derived from the highly sought after pre-1975 period of the Grateful Dead's career, and are all reported on by the community's most prized writers and scholars. Additionally, the Addendum will include an interview and step by step historical recounting with the Legendary Marty Weinberg. After being reported MIA for the past 25 years, Marty recently resurfaced after reading about himself and his legendary status in Volume 1. Marty shares the remarkable stories of his East Coast taping experiences from 1969-1971 in great, glorious detail. You'll be amazed to hear the lengths that this pioneer of our community went to capture this experience and preserve it for all of us. Of course, also included will be the long awaited definitive listing of Marty's Master Reels, thus allowing tapers and traders alike to correctly identify the source of their until now questionable audience recordings. Didn't bid high enough on eBay? Well, here's the next best thing. Join us while we take a tour of the Grateful Dead's Vault with Jeffrey Norman. Come walk through the fabled Vault with us while Jeffrey shares his knowledge of each historical section, down every eye-popping aisle. Very rare photographs, by Eliza Bundledee, provide a sumptuous background to Jeffrey's illuminating interview. The Addendum also features a very special Tribute To Dick Latvala. Long known as the Taper's Best Friend, Dick is given the red carpet treatment he deserves here. Heartfelt recollections, amusing stories and touching insights permeate each recollection from those that knew Dick best: Robert Hunter, Mickey Hart, Dennis McNally, Steve Silberman, Nathan Wolfson, Pat Lee, Eddie Claridge, Carol Latvala, Rich Latvala, Kevin Shapiro (Archivist for Phish), Rob Bertrando, Kirk West (Archivist for The Allman Brothers Band), Harvey Lubar, Jeffrey Norman, Dr. Bob Wagner, Kidd Candelario, and Christi Lamb Vogel. Ever wonder exactly what Dick felt were THE hottest, most interesting songs and jams? Culled from Dick's own well-worn Deadbases, J-cards and notebooks, here is a list of what Dick felt were the Dead's most distinguished song versions and exciting, unique instrumental passages. Have you ever wondered how the Vault Archivist himself notated his recordings? You'll find many examples of exactly how Dick marked and measured a show's performance with this sampling from his own private collection. You won't help but be moved by the illustration of passion captured in these rare reproductions. Due to the influx of new data since Volume 1's publication in 1998, we have carefully updated and corrected all of the first three volumes, bringing the entire series up to date in one chapter enclosed here in our Addendum. Curious about where Dick might be these days? Then check out "Dick's Jam In The Afterlife" and read about how Dick goes toe to toe with an afterlife guardian in this provocative, humorous and touching what-if fable. Of course, the Addendum wouldn't be complete without the inclusion of ticket stubs, rare photographs, and the updated Resources section. TO ORDER: The Deadhead's Taping Addendum is available now and will ship immediately! Cost is $35 per book plus $7 for Priority Mail postage or $3 for Book Rate postage. Send a check, cash or money order to: Michael Getz 2119 25th Avenue San Francisco, CA 94116 As always, thanks to everyone for your support, assistance and encouragement. Best wishes, Michael Getz (TheGetz at earthlink.net) Brian Dyke (BDyke at cris.com) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bringmemyshotgun at yahoo.com Mon Jul 29 10:05:53 2002 From: bringmemyshotgun at yahoo.com (Anonymous Person) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: The Deadhead's Taping Addendum In-Reply-To: <20020729080446.41885.qmail@web40002.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020729080553.17268.qmail@web40004.mail.yahoo.com> *** PRAISE FOR THE FIRST THREE VOLUMES *** "The most invaluable tool for Deadheads since the roach clip." --STU SCHIMMEL, co-host of WBAI's Morning Dew radio show in NYC. "The Taper's Compendium provides a valuable resource to all Grateful Dead tape traders. The research is first-rate, and the descriptive analysis of tapes in circulation allows tapers to compile a wish-list of shows they canherein ascertain exist on tape." --DAVID LEMIEUX, Grateful Dead Vault Archivist "This guide ... is a wealth of information for Deadheads. ... the interviews with fans ... are the most interesting. The lengths these folks went to in order to record the Dead were sometimes astonishing, and the stories surrounding these escapades make for fascinating reading. ... The reviews included in this book are an excellent and exhaustive exploration of the changes the Dead's music went through over the years. ... For Deadheads... this book is a treasure ... an invaluable resource." --BILLBOARD "These books can be read on any one of several levels: If you're a Dead fan, it's a chronicle of the band's career. If you're not a Dead fan, it's a clear-eyed chronicle of a band's life during the late 20th century. The reportage is meticulous, the writing graceful. Any way you cut it, it's a journalistic and artistic accomplishment." --TIM KISKA, Detroit News "Since I've been doing my Dead Air radio program here in Eugene, OR for more than 15 years, it was a welcome event when the Taping Compendiums were published. These Compendiums are a great resource for me when puzzling over what show or song might be best to play on the air. It's a thorough and comprehensive effort. And it's fun to see what shows have 'the best' versions. It's always good to discover (or rediscover) a great tune that may have slipped my mind. Nice to see the lovely photos sprinkled throughout as well. The Deadhead's Taping Compendium ... big as the Bible and just as righteous." --DOWNTOWN DEB TRIST, host of Dead Air in Eugene (KLCC 89.7 FM www.klcc.org) "The sheer enthusiasm and sense of wonderment reflected in these reviews is enough to send any serious tape collector on a hunting expedition pronto... All told, the enthusiasm these tape enthusiasts bring to their reviews, along with the occasional personal adventure tossed in for good measure, make these shows as much fun to read about as they undoubtedly are to hear." --RELIX "The Deadhead's Taping Compendium series is a Godsend to Deadheads and anyone who loves music. Nowhere else is the Grateful Dead's performing career meticulously documented and critically evaluated with such care and precision. The authors and compilers of these volumes have done a great service to the Deadhead community and have assured us that the band's music WILL NEVER be forgotten." --ROBERT WEINER Editor of the Perspectives on the Grateful Dead: Critical Writings Co-Author of The Grateful Dead and the Deadheads: An Annotated Bibliography Founder of the Grateful Dead annual academic mini-conference. "The few people in the world who care about the music of the Grateful Dead care about it very deeply and passionately. This appreciation comes from many different angles, musically and culturally, giving Deadheads plenty to talk about. The recorded legacy of the Dead can be a daunting heap of CDs and tapes; the Compendium, created by a group of articulate and committed music lovers, will direct the new listener to the best of the best, and give everyone more to argue about for years to come." --DAVID GANS, host of the nationally syndicated "Grateful Dead Hour" radio show "Even a casual Deadhead should get some flashbacks thumbing through these pages." --L.A. TIMES " ... the Getz and Dwork volumes are indispensable sources, being the definitive discographies-tapeographies, actually - of the Dead's concert life. ... Reading this book, or whatever you can do with an encyclopedia, puts us at the pulsing microchip of Dead central. ... There is so much music to know and so much information to compile, and Getz and Dwork are at the cutting edge." --BUFFALO NEWS "The multi-volume Deadhead's Taping Compendium is a milestone of scholarship, an intricate map of a vast territory drawn by those who made it their home. Much of the joy in being a Deadhead is in tipping your friends off to revelatory moments captured somewhere in the thousands of miles of tape that is the band's legacy. Conversations like this wove the fabric of the Deadhead community while the band was still touring; and as a tapestry of informed opinions, valuable historical data, amusing gossip, and unabashed passion, the Compendium will be employed by Deadheads long into the future to find their way through the vast landscape the band explored, night after night, for thirty years. As much as it's a tribute to a unique band, it's also a tribute to the smartest, craziest, most inspired and diverse group of fans that ever hit the American road in search of delight, interesting surprises, and the occasional glimpse of a benevolent order in the Universe that defies description. By recognizing that order, we open doors in our own hearts to bringing it forth into the world. The Compendium points the way." --STEVE SILBERMAN, Co-Author of Skeleton Key: A Dictionary For Deadheads (with David Shenk) and Co-Producer of So Many Roads (1965-1995) box set. "For anyone who has ever wondered how the Grateful Dead bridged the generations and clumsily trucked into mainstream popularity, The Deadhead's Taping Compendium explain it all. ... The massive book is colorfully written ... The book does a great job of explaining how, without Top 40 hits or platinum record sales, the Dead has done so well for so long. ...It is an invaluable resource for those who revere the Grateful Dead experience." --CHARLOTTE OBSERVER "The Taper's Compendium is the connective tissue that holds your Grateful Dead collection together." --DWIGHT HOLMES, Deadhead "Noteworthy among this fine references other contents are interviews with famous Deadheads (find out what Owsley was really like-yow!" --BOOKLIST "This is an absolute treasure for Deadheads." -- SPRINGFIELD NEWS LEADER "... this series is a goldmine of information for any Grateful Dead fan." -- LIBRARY JOURNAL "The Deadhead's Taping Compendium is like a lost treasure from the ancient library of Alexandria-a modern day Rosetta Stone that provides glorious translations of the Grateful Dead X-Factor into practical reviews that novices and seasoned Deadheads alike will benefit from for years to come." --GREG POULOS, Deadhead "The Taping Compendiums have been an invaluable resource for Dead enthusiasts everywhere. The author's exhaustive research and objectivity with the subject matter is exceptional, and I am thoroughly impressed with their proficiency at capturing the "joie de vivre" and dynamic compliexities of the Dead's music. Fortunately for all of us, a cornucopia of newly surfaced recordings has necessitated this Addendum which brings the reader up-to-date on all the new tapes swirling about. This eagerly awaited new volume sustains the high standards established by the previous three and is an essential reference for all serious collectors." --GREG SHAW, Rock and Roll author "Finally, something that puts it all together!" --HARVEY LUBAR, member of the Hell's Honkies Tape Club "The authors have spent years creating the ultimate Deadhead guide to tapes. They have taken the tape collecting idea from its earliest days in 1971 when The First Free Underground Grateful Dead Tape Exchange was created by myself and my friends. We had little loose-leaf books with complete information on every tape. Who recorded it? How was it recorded? When was it recorded? What 's on it? What equipment was used? Etc. The Tape Exchange never kept that information, but the authors here did the ultimate job in recreating over 30 years of History. Their work is to be commended. They definitely earned a PHD in Tapeology!" --LESLIE D. KIPPEL Founder, The First Free Underground GD Tape Exchange Founder, Relix Magazine Founder, Relix Records "An in-depth academic/scholastic treatment to the musical work of the Dead, with an intense passion that pours from each review. This is serious stuff, written by serious people just crazy enough to be way into this kind of thing. As I read more, I can't help being caught up in that passion myself." -- NOAH WEINER, Deadhead (and Aud fanatic) "all the punctuation confuses me but I read the Compendium every day cuz there is nuthin in the bathroom cept the Compendium here at Lone Star Dead Radio." --ERIC SCHWARTZ, host of Lone Star Dead in Dallas, TX (89.3 FM www.knon.org) "Be there then! The Compendium is a must for anyone serious (or even a little interested) in Grateful Dead tape collecting. If you don't have these books, you're not really collecting. Now, if only someone would do the same for the Duke Ellington Band ..." --OLIVER TRAGER, author of The American Book of the Dead-The Definitive Grateful Dead Encyclopedia "Why do some people have hundreds, if not thousands, of Grateful Dead concerts on CD? Not only is every concert unique, but careful listening will reveal, from the best of the best nights, amazing examples of group improvisation, as well as a plethora of musical influences that span the history of American music. Few people have listened more intently to more Grateful Dead music than the band of music scholars, musicians, and merry pranksters that form the brain trust that has produced the three volumes of the Taper's Compendium series." --MICHAEL PARRISH, Writer for the Chicago Tribune, Paleontologist *********************************************************** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 29 20:14:12 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 19:14:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Message-ID: <01C23734.370E3420.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Guys Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tape Marathon.doc Type: application/msword Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 29 20:59:34 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:59:34 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List References: <01C23734.370E3420.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201c23732$14cf0800$b5199bca@smarzuki> Now i have time for 6:33 minutes song. (just kidding !!) Graham, I believe you put Eddie on bottom of list instead of Ezio. It's gotta be that virus again =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Guys Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Jul 29 21:18:35 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:18:35 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... Message-ID: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) ====================================================== Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story behind it. I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could easily here a faint, constant tone. Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply decoupling assured that this problem would happen. I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, there is no problem." Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to whistle on its merry way. To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to take the defective hardware back again. Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. ==================================================== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 29 21:19:03 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:19:03 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Message-ID: <01C2373D.3D7C8A60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I'm having a bad year this week .... anyone know any good brain doctors .... here it is again .... only right this time .... *sigh* -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Now i have time for 6:33 minutes song. (just kidding !!) Graham, I believe you put Eddie on bottom of list instead of Ezio. It's gotta be that virus again =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Guys Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. Graham ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tape Marathon.doc Type: application/msword Size: 24064 bytes Desc: not available URL: From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Jul 29 22:33:47 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:33:47 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List References: <01C2373D.3D7C8A60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Graham, Did you get my message about L75 and GL75? Misha -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Jul 29 22:02:48 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:02:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Message-ID: <01C23743.5A01D040.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Yes thanks, Misha - I may make enquiries .... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Michael Mironov [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:34 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Hi Graham, Did you get my message about L75 and GL75? Misha -- ______________________________________ http://www.pravda.com.ua ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 29 23:36:23 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:36:23 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000f01c23748$000a4040$b42f2ac4@CopyTech> I knew about this story because the same shit happened to me with our formers duplicators' MR-2. They didn't care if we have 50 machines or 1,000, their service was a disaster as well as their customer service. In order to make a technical question I had to lie saying that I was a dealer ! We use to have several units that went up to California for warranty repairs 4 times for the same problem all over again !!!! ON the other hand, Revox in Nashville were completely the opposite, and many of you will be saying now "Oh!, there goes Carlos again defending Revox ..." yeah, could be, but let me tell you that it was a heavenly experience,so incredible that I visited their branch there and I still maintain a sincere friendship with Mr. Steve Smith, an ex technical support eng. for Studer Revox, now a freelance devil . California John know about this ... In other words, Nakamichi grew so much that the Japs just cared about money and nothing else. Fortunately for them, Nakamichi still regarded for many as "the best cassette decks ever made" ... Sorry, I'm not in that list. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > > ====================================================== > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > behind it. > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > there is no problem." > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > whistle on its merry way. > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > take the defective hardware back again. > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > > ==================================================== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Jul 29 23:38:05 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 16:38:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List References: <01C2373D.3D7C8A60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <001901c23748$3c877b00$b42f2ac4@CopyTech> Voila ! There you go Gra. Now looks even better Ha ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > I'm having a bad year this week .... anyone know any good brain doctors .... here it is again .... only right this time .... *sigh* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Now i have time for 6:33 minutes song. (just kidding !!) > > Graham, I believe you put Eddie on bottom of list instead of Ezio. It's > gotta be that virus again =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:14 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Guys > > Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Mon Jul 29 23:01:04 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:01:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... In-Reply-To: <000f01c23748$000a4040$b42f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000501c23743$0e041400$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> I totally agree w/ all below. I still remember taking my BX-300 some years back to Nak. I personally took the deck to them in Torrance & the service center would not accept my deck. They told me that they only accept decks that are sent to them via UPS. Go figure. I was standing right in their lobby. That was the last time I dealt w/ the Torrance Nak. As for Steve Smith, had him convert my Studer A810 from a portable (yeah right-70lbs!) unit to setting up the deck in a roll-a-round w/ a meter bridge about a year ago. Top rate service and a totally friendly dude to talk to on the phone. Definitely the Studer guru these days. I hear he is totally busy servicing a lot of top name artists' studio decks these days. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... I knew about this story because the same shit happened to me with our formers duplicators' MR-2. They didn't care if we have 50 machines or 1,000, their service was a disaster as well as their customer service. In order to make a technical question I had to lie saying that I was a dealer ! We use to have several units that went up to California for warranty repairs 4 times for the same problem all over again !!!! ON the other hand, Revox in Nashville were completely the opposite, and many of you will be saying now "Oh!, there goes Carlos again defending Revox ..." yeah, could be, but let me tell you that it was a heavenly experience,so incredible that I visited their branch there and I still maintain a sincere friendship with Mr. Steve Smith, an ex technical support eng. for Studer Revox, now a freelance devil . California John know about this ... In other words, Nakamichi grew so much that the Japs just cared about money and nothing else. Fortunately for them, Nakamichi still regarded for many as "the best cassette decks ever made" ... Sorry, I'm not in that list. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > > ====================================================== > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > behind it. > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > there is no problem." > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > whistle on its merry way. > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > take the defective hardware back again. > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > > ==================================================== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From betali at earthlink.net Mon Jul 29 23:31:47 2002 From: betali at earthlink.net (Ben Li) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:31:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <000f01c23748$000a4040$b42f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <003601c23747$58b11080$ca02010a@titusint.com> I have a similar experience with the Nakamichi service center in Torrence last year. I bought a DR10 brand new. Soon afterward I discovered that the deck was making a very faint but high pitch noise on recording and playback. I took the DR10 to a local authorized service center at three different occasions but could not get the DR10 noise problem fixed, even though the service counter person could hear the noise. Out of frustration I phoned the Nakamichi Torrence service center to explain to them the noise problem with the DR10 and said I would like them to have a look at it. I specifically stated in a written letter to them that they should call me in case they have difficulty in finding the faint noise. Five weeks after they received my DR10 under warranty service, they returned the deck to me UNFIX, saying everything on the DR10 was working within factory specifications. They did not bother to contact me by phone or by email regarding the noise problem even once! ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > I knew about this story because the same shit happened to me with our > formers duplicators' MR-2. They didn't care if we have 50 machines or 1,000, > their service was a disaster as well as their customer service. In order to > make a technical question I had to lie saying that I was a dealer ! > We use to have several units that went up to California for warranty repairs > 4 times for the same problem all over again !!!! > > ON the other hand, Revox in Nashville were completely the opposite, and many > of you will be saying now "Oh!, there goes Carlos again defending Revox ..." > yeah, could be, but let me tell you that it was a heavenly experience,so > incredible that I visited their branch there and I still maintain a sincere > friendship with Mr. Steve Smith, an ex technical support eng. for Studer > Revox, now a freelance devil . California John know about this ... > > In other words, Nakamichi grew so much that the Japs just cared about money > and nothing else. Fortunately for them, Nakamichi still regarded for many as > "the best cassette decks ever made" ... Sorry, I'm not in that list. > > Carlos > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:18 PM > Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > > > > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in > 96. > > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > > > > > ====================================================== > > > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > > behind it. > > > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > > there is no problem." > > > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > > whistle on its merry way. > > > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > > take the defective hardware back again. > > > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > > > > ==================================================== > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Jul 30 00:47:20 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:47:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... Message-ID: Salim, How do I contact this person that worked on the 550 Dolby 400 Hz oscillator problem? I complained about it back in 1976, and subsequent years, and was told "everything was within specs", but they would not even admit they heard the tone at all. I even told them it sounded like the 400 Hz tone, but still they always replied "everything was within specs". I want to find out what needs to be done to only turn the oscillator on when setting bias levels. Am fairly sure there will have to be some PCB traces cut and jumpers put in place, plus possibly another switch. Any help on this would be greatly appreciated. Best regards, Kent >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 07/29/02 02:18PM >>> To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) ====================================================== Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story behind it. I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could easily here a faint, constant tone. Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply decoupling assured that this problem would happen. I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, there is no problem." Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to whistle on its merry way. To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to take the defective hardware back again. Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. ==================================================== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Well, actually, I have a confession to make - that is one of the reasons I currently own one cassette deck only - yes, you guessed right - it's a B-215 ! George ----Original Message Follows---- From: John Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:01:04 -0700 I totally agree w/ all below. I still remember taking my BX-300 some years back to Nak. I personally took the deck to them in Torrance & the service center would not accept my deck. They told me that they only accept decks that are sent to them via UPS. Go figure. I was standing right in their lobby. That was the last time I dealt w/ the Torrance Nak. As for Steve Smith, had him convert my Studer A810 from a portable (yeah right-70lbs!) unit to setting up the deck in a roll-a-round w/ a meter bridge about a year ago. Top rate service and a totally friendly dude to talk to on the phone. Definitely the Studer guru these days. I hear he is totally busy servicing a lot of top name artists' studio decks these days. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... I knew about this story because the same shit happened to me with our formers duplicators' MR-2. They didn't care if we have 50 machines or 1,000, their service was a disaster as well as their customer service. In order to make a technical question I had to lie saying that I was a dealer ! We use to have several units that went up to California for warranty repairs 4 times for the same problem all over again !!!! ON the other hand, Revox in Nashville were completely the opposite, and many of you will be saying now "Oh!, there goes Carlos again defending Revox ..." yeah, could be, but let me tell you that it was a heavenly experience,so incredible that I visited their branch there and I still maintain a sincere friendship with Mr. Steve Smith, an ex technical support eng. for Studer Revox, now a freelance devil . California John know about this ... In other words, Nakamichi grew so much that the Japs just cared about money and nothing else. Fortunately for them, Nakamichi still regarded for many as "the best cassette decks ever made" ... Sorry, I'm not in that list. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > > ====================================================== > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > behind it. > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > there is no problem." > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > whistle on its merry way. > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > take the defective hardware back again. > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > > ==================================================== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 30 04:58:46 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:58:46 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... Message-ID: <8b7948cf91.8cf918b794@indosat.net.id> Ugh, i feel bad to open can of nakworms ... well, it's the attitude that finally kill Nak, but still, the decks themselves are one of the best, if not the best ever made. In any case, i'm partially thankful to the cheap caps, if not for them, there's no way i will ever own good old naks. =) And for the non-nak-lovers, which one do you think is sonically better, revox or tandberg? Just curious. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: George Valkov Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:17 am Subject: RE: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > I'm sorry for ganging up on Nakamichi like this, but... last year > I ordered > and paid for a CR-7 gear update from nakamichi uk (bowers & > wilkins) - it > never arrived and they never responded to my subsequent e-mails. > On the > other hand (ducking behind a fireproof shield), I got everything I > ordered > for my B-215 from Revox in Germany within one week. Only once they > sent me > the wrong item, but then told me to keep it and sent the right one > free of > charge - and the wrong one was about six times more expensive than > the right > one. I rest my case. Well, actually, I have a confession to make - > that is > one of the reasons I currently own one cassette deck only - yes, > you guessed > right - it's a B-215 ! > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: John ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Jul 30 05:23:57 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:23:57 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <009b01c23778$8b4eddc0$433442cf@sank1> You know, I have serviced dozens and dozens of 550's, which I have great fondness for, and I have not yet encountered this 400Hz leakage problem. I have to assume that it was an early production problem that was corrected in later units. Should be a simple matter to re-assign contacts on the oscillator switch or the rec/play slide switch to power on the circuit only in record mode. Don't have the schematics here at home or I could specify how to do it right now. And I have never seen any of the other problems this guy whines about either. I'd rather own an old 1000 than a Revox A77 any day of the week. Speaking of using bad parts, try asking any of us Revox servicers how many German electrolytics we've replaced in Revox's & Tandbergs. The only answer will be "hundreds!" As for the Advent 200, the old Mr. Nakamichi was very explicit about telling my old boss that he "built it to THEIR specs & budget!" when introducing the 1000 to him & the subject came up. The fact that Advent dictated how horrible that deck would be is obviously evidenced by how much of an equal, or worse, piece of crap the godawful, Wollensak-made 201 was. I think this guy had just plain bad luck, or was so p.o.'d about the 550 fault that every isolated incident with any other model seemed to him a "design flaw". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > > ====================================================== > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > behind it. > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > there is no problem." > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > whistle on its merry way. > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > take the defective hardware back again. > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > > ==================================================== > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Jul 30 05:35:29 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:05:29 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: Message-ID: <3D460981.AAE9B002@vsnl.com> Probably I can recal a good attention by Japanese Nakservice/ spare parts dept . The lady at Nak japan Service/ spares sent me the Dragon Service manual with very bad drawing of the schematics and I sent her an email about it last year. She promptly sent me a very good copy within weeks spending about 12 $ worth of posting. She also sent me the famale edge connector for Nak dragon playback head free on the next consignment( as the current ones ( male connectors on the lead wires are different from the early batch of Dragons )- which I had and needed the replacement head. I also found them very helpful until the Nakamichi policy changed - that I can order only thru Indian distributor who is nowhere to be found. Incidently the drawing shows Dragon version 2 schematics! ( while Naks com server has Dragon ver 1 schematics!) kannan George Valkov wrote: > I'm sorry for ganging up on Nakamichi like this, but... last year I ordered > and paid for a CR-7 gear update from nakamichi uk (bowers & wilkins) - it > never arrived and they never responded to my subsequent e-mails. On the > other hand (ducking behind a fireproof shield), I got everything I ordered > for my B-215 from Revox in Germany within one week. Only once they sent me > the wrong item, but then told me to keep it and sent the right one free of > charge - and the wrong one was about six times more expensive than the right > one. I rest my case. Well, actually, I have a confession to make - that is > one of the reasons I currently own one cassette deck only - yes, you guessed > right - it's a B-215 ! > > George > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: John > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 14:01:04 -0700 > > I totally agree w/ all below. I still remember taking my BX-300 some years > back to Nak. I personally took the deck to them in Torrance & the service > center would not accept my deck. They told me that they only accept decks > that are sent to them via UPS. Go figure. I was standing right in their > lobby. That was the last time I dealt w/ the Torrance Nak. > > As for Steve Smith, had him convert my Studer A810 from a portable (yeah > right-70lbs!) unit to setting up the deck in a roll-a-round w/ a meter > bridge about a year ago. Top rate service and a totally friendly dude to > talk to on the phone. Definitely the Studer guru these days. I hear he is > totally busy servicing a lot of top name artists' studio decks these days. > > Cal John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:36 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > I knew about this story because the same shit happened to me with our > formers duplicators' MR-2. They didn't care if we have 50 machines or 1,000, > their service was a disaster as well as their customer service. In order to > make a technical question I had to lie saying that I was a dealer ! > We use to have several units that went up to California for warranty repairs > 4 times for the same problem all over again !!!! > > ON the other hand, Revox in Nashville were completely the opposite, and many > of you will be saying now "Oh!, there goes Carlos again defending Revox ..." > yeah, could be, but let me tell you that it was a heavenly experience,so > incredible that I visited their branch there and I still maintain a sincere > friendship with Mr. Steve Smith, an ex technical support eng. for Studer > Revox, now a freelance devil . California John know about this ... > > In other words, Nakamichi grew so much that the Japs just cared about money > and nothing else. Fortunately for them, Nakamichi still regarded for many as > "the best cassette decks ever made" ... Sorry, I'm not in that list. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salim Marzuki" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:18 PM > Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > > > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in > 96. > > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > > > > > ====================================================== > > > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > > behind it. > > > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > > there is no problem." > > > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > > whistle on its merry way. > > > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > > take the defective hardware back again. > > > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > > > > ==================================================== > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Jul 30 09:04:14 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:04:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <009b01c23778$8b4eddc0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <3D463A6D.2F65C270@snet.net> Having just had to replace about a half dozen caps in mid 70's Revox A77 which is also showing fairly significant capstan bearing wear, I have to agree with Stephen. When you consider that history has shown only a small number of common failures in all but the most complex Nakamichi's, it quickly becomes apparent that they are some pretty amazingly sound machines. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > You know, I have serviced dozens and dozens of 550's, which I have great > fondness for, and I have not yet encountered this 400Hz leakage problem. I > have to assume that it was an early production problem that was corrected in > later units. Should be a simple matter to re-assign contacts on the > oscillator switch or the rec/play slide switch to power on the circuit only > in record mode. Don't have the schematics here at home or I could specify > how to do it right now. > And I have never seen any of the other problems this guy whines about > either. I'd rather own an old 1000 than a Revox A77 any day of the week. > Speaking of using bad parts, try asking any of us Revox servicers how many > German electrolytics we've replaced in Revox's & Tandbergs. The only answer > will be "hundreds!" > As for the Advent 200, the old Mr. Nakamichi was very explicit about telling > my old boss that he "built it to THEIR specs & budget!" when introducing the > 1000 to him & the subject came up. The fact that Advent dictated how > horrible that deck would be is obviously evidenced by how much of an equal, > or worse, piece of crap the godawful, Wollensak-made 201 was. > I think this guy had just plain bad luck, or was so p.o.'d about the 550 > fault that every isolated incident with any other model seemed to him a > "design flaw". > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nealw at decillion.net Tue Jul 30 08:54:58 2002 From: nealw at decillion.net (Neal Walker) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:54:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Message-ID: <8E3C7265F2C9D3119573009027B2017B39C25A@CPT-01> Just one question how come i was dropped off the list? i see Mark Hugo in South Africa so surely I would be on this list (I certainly was in the beginning)?? Neal Walker 9 Montrose Ave Oranjezicht Cape Town 8001 South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 29 July 2002 20:14 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Guys Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 30 15:28:14 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:28:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <009b01c23778$8b4eddc0$433442cf@sank1> <3D463A6D.2F65C270@snet.net> Message-ID: <002301c237cc$f8b0af20$9a2f2ac4@CopyTech> Yes, I agree too, but there's a huge difference between both companies: attitude. Revox service and parts is one of the best in the industry, perhaps because they treat all customers like Pro-Audio studios. Just try to find a part for your beloved 1000 ZXL and or try to reach someone at Torrance for a tech.question. On the other hand, a Revox Support Eng. is always a call away and you can still find a part for an old A-77. That's just the main difference. Sonically speaking, Nakamichi is excellent, but for me in order to qualify a component as "the best", it has to come with nice customer service and long parts availability. Just my thoughts ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > Having just had to replace about a half dozen caps in mid 70's Revox A77 which is also > showing fairly significant capstan bearing wear, I have to agree with Stephen. When > you consider that history has shown only a small number of common failures in all but > the most complex Nakamichi's, it quickly becomes apparent that they are some pretty > amazingly sound machines. > > Ed > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > You know, I have serviced dozens and dozens of 550's, which I have great > > fondness for, and I have not yet encountered this 400Hz leakage problem. I > > have to assume that it was an early production problem that was corrected in > > later units. Should be a simple matter to re-assign contacts on the > > oscillator switch or the rec/play slide switch to power on the circuit only > > in record mode. Don't have the schematics here at home or I could specify > > how to do it right now. > > And I have never seen any of the other problems this guy whines about > > either. I'd rather own an old 1000 than a Revox A77 any day of the week. > > Speaking of using bad parts, try asking any of us Revox servicers how many > > German electrolytics we've replaced in Revox's & Tandbergs. The only answer > > will be "hundreds!" > > As for the Advent 200, the old Mr. Nakamichi was very explicit about telling > > my old boss that he "built it to THEIR specs & budget!" when introducing the > > 1000 to him & the subject came up. The fact that Advent dictated how > > horrible that deck would be is obviously evidenced by how much of an equal, > > or worse, piece of crap the godawful, Wollensak-made 201 was. > > I think this guy had just plain bad luck, or was so p.o.'d about the 550 > > fault that every isolated incident with any other model seemed to him a > > "design flaw". > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Jul 30 15:30:00 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:30:00 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <8b7948cf91.8cf918b794@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <002a01c237cd$3c445610$9a2f2ac4@CopyTech> They are very neutral sounding machines making them excellent choice for recording. For playback, I still prefer a Nak with manual or auto azymuth controller. Tandberg or Revox ? I'll choose either one. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:58 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > Ugh, i feel bad to open can of nakworms ... well, it's the attitude > that finally kill Nak, but still, the decks themselves are one of the > best, if not the best ever made. In any case, i'm partially thankful > to the cheap caps, if not for them, there's no way i will ever own good > old naks. =) > > And for the non-nak-lovers, which one do you think is sonically better, > revox or tandberg? Just curious. > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Valkov > Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:17 am > Subject: RE: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > > I'm sorry for ganging up on Nakamichi like this, but... last year > > I ordered > > and paid for a CR-7 gear update from nakamichi uk (bowers & > > wilkins) - it > > never arrived and they never responded to my subsequent e-mails. > > On the > > other hand (ducking behind a fireproof shield), I got everything I > > ordered > > for my B-215 from Revox in Germany within one week. Only once they > > sent me > > the wrong item, but then told me to keep it and sent the right one > > free of > > charge - and the wrong one was about six times more expensive than > > the right > > one. I rest my case. Well, actually, I have a confession to make - > > that is > > one of the reasons I currently own one cassette deck only - yes, > > you guessed > > right - it's a B-215 ! > > > > George > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: John > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Jul 30 14:35:36 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:35:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List References: <01C2373D.3D7C8A60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <000b01c237c5$9b7646a0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Did you ever get that outpatient lobotomy done? ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > I'm having a bad year this week .... anyone know any good brain doctors .... here it is again .... only right this time .... *sigh* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Now i have time for 6:33 minutes song. (just kidding !!) > > Graham, I believe you put Eddie on bottom of list instead of Ezio. It's > gotta be that virus again =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:14 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Guys > > Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Jul 30 15:35:14 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:35:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for CR-3A Message-ID: A friend of mine at work gave me his CR-3A a few days ago, but didn't have the manual for it (I'm not complaining after getting the deck for free). I spent some time looking around on the web for both the user and service manuals and haven't had much luck. It looks like I've tracked down someone who has an original copy of the service manual and will be putting it up on ebay in the near future. I emailed Nakamachi parts yesterday and got a response back saying that I could order a photocopy. That would work, but I'd rather have an original - are there any source for these other than hoping that one will show up on ebay? Are the manuals available online anywhere? The deck needs a good cleaning (the previous owner is a heavy smoker). It looks like there are several good places to send the deck (Electronic Service Labs in Connecticut would be convenient, as I'm in the Boston area) - where/what do you guys recommend? My initial impressions of the deck are very favorable. I also own an Onkyo Integra TA-2600 which seems to be a well regarded deck, but after listening for a few hours last night, I feel the Nak sounds much better. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 30 16:41:37 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:41:37 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for CR-3A References: Message-ID: <000a01c237d7$3643bb20$bb1a9bca@smarzuki> As usual, www.schaltungsdienst.de would be a good place to start, they have very clear copy. Your manual number is 1093502, the price should be around $10 +s/h from Berlin so please bear in mind while bidding on ebay. Originals may be a bit rare. NAKAM SERVICE MANUAL CR3/A/E CASSETTE DECK 1093502 D Have fun with your new deck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoffrey Reynolds To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for CR-3A A friend of mine at work gave me his CR-3A a few days ago, but didn't have the manual for it (I'm not complaining after getting the deck for free). I spent some time looking around on the web for both the user and service manuals and haven't had much luck. It looks like I've tracked down someone who has an original copy of the service manual and will be putting it up on ebay in the near future. I emailed Nakamachi parts yesterday and got a response back saying that I could order a photocopy. That would work, but I'd rather have an original - are there any source for these other than hoping that one will show up on ebay? Are the manuals available online anywhere? The deck needs a good cleaning (the previous owner is a heavy smoker). It looks like there are several good places to send the deck (Electronic Service Labs in Connecticut would be convenient, as I'm in the Boston area) - where/what do you guys recommend? My initial impressions of the deck are very favorable. I also own an Onkyo Integra TA-2600 which seems to be a well regarded deck, but after listening for a few hours last night, I feel the Nak sounds much better. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Jul 30 16:56:09 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:56:09 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <8b7948cf91.8cf918b794@indosat.net.id> <002a01c237cd$3c445610$9a2f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001201c237d9$3d873fe0$bb1a9bca@smarzuki> Thank you Carlos ! Being in the far east, revox and tandberg is as rare as hen's teeth over here. So i can only look at ebay revox pictures (Nak's discrete heads + padlifter looks more cool =). Hopefully the german caps will wear out soon so i can get one - with strange static noise - for good price ! Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: RE: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... They are very neutral sounding machines making them excellent choice for recording. For playback, I still prefer a Nak with manual or auto azymuth controller. Tandberg or Revox ? I'll choose either one. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Tue Jul 30 17:41:59 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:41:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Message-ID: <119420-220027230154159620@M2W056.mail2web.com> No John, I forgot the appointment .... Seriously tho', my memory and concentation is cr~p at the moment! I'm told it's probably a consequence of as yet untreated OSA ... untreated cos ... well, you've heard all about the great NHS waiting lists ... Gra ... (I only sign like that cos I've forgotten how to spell "Graham" ...) Original Message: ----------------- From: John M. Tooley jmtooley at ce.net Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:35:36 -0400 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Did you ever get that outpatient lobotomy done? ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > I'm having a bad year this week .... anyone know any good brain doctors ..... here it is again .... only right this time .... *sigh* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Now i have time for 6:33 minutes song. (just kidding !!) > > Graham, I believe you put Eddie on bottom of list instead of Ezio. It's > gotta be that virus again =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:14 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Guys > > Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I don't think you were ever on the list that I issued, but that wasn't the original one which Carlos started. Unfortunately the original list got deleted even before I had a chance to screw it up!!! [Or, if I DID put you on the Tape 2 list that I first issued, then I probably did screw up ... all things are possible in my state of mind just at the moment!! :o) ] However, there is no problem in getting you on it/back on it. I'm at work right now but, on getting home (if I remember where that is...) I'll re-issue the list again to include you. No problemo! FOR ALL THE OTHER GUYS, PLEASE CHECK THE LOST TO ENSURE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN MISSED - SOME GUYS CONTACTED CARLOS AND NOT ME ABOUT TAPE 2 - CARLOS DOESN'T RECALL WHO THEY WERE; SO, IF YOU DIDN'T CONTACT ME SUBSEQUENTLY, YOU WON'T BE ON THE LIST. YOU MUST, THEREFORE, CONTACT ME NOW TO GET ON IT ..... Gra' Gra' Original Message: ----------------- From: Neal Walker nealw at decillion.net Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:54:58 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Just one question how come i was dropped off the list? i see Mark Hugo in South Africa so surely I would be on this list (I certainly was in the beginning)?? Neal Walker 9 Montrose Ave Oranjezicht Cape Town 8001 South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 29 July 2002 20:14 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Guys Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Gra' -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Jul 30 18:39:54 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 12:39:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT Tandberg TCA 3018 A References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <009b01c23778$8b4eddc0$433442cf@sank1> Message-ID: <03ab01c237e7$bbaac820$0cea3fd0@oemcomputer> Does anyone know how you adjust the load resistance for moving coil cartridges on this pre-amp? or have a manual they can send me a scan from? I'm trying to help someone but I have never seen this model Thanks Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: SME 3012 parts Guys I'm looking for some help in finding some parts for a SME 3012 arm, namely the counter-weight, tracking weight and assembly and the bias weight assembly. I've contacted SME in the UK and they are now clean out of ALL spares for 3012 and 3009 arms, and they have no plans for making any more - costs are too high, they say. Any ideas where I might find these pieces? Anyone point me to local overseas SME dealers/distributors that might have the stock items I'm after?? Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: Tape Marathon.doc Type: application/msword Size: 25088 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Jul 30 20:36:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:36:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: SME 3012 parts Message-ID: <01C23800.7AB605A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Hi Salim SME tell me 3009 parts don't fit! I'd like to get this arm going. The head is nice and the arm seems okay although it could do with a nice phono lead. (Presently a mono 3-pin din and lead are literally hanging off it!) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:04 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: SME 3012 parts Probably the price of good NOS would be as high as used complete 3009? If you can use 3009 parts then about $100 complete in backpage ads ... worthwhile to recondition your 3012. Sorry if i missed something there ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: SME 3012 parts Guys I'm looking for some help in finding some parts for a SME 3012 arm, namely the counter-weight, tracking weight and assembly and the bias weight assembly. I've contacted SME in the UK and they are now clean out of ALL spares for 3012 and 3009 arms, and they have no plans for making any more - costs are too high, they say. Any ideas where I might find these pieces? Anyone point me to local overseas SME dealers/distributors that might have the stock items I'm after?? Gra' ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Jul 31 03:07:39 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:07:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: SME 3012 parts References: <01C23800.7AB605A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <004501c2382e$aab16a00$0ef63fd0@oemcomputer> This is where I would try to get the parts you need both deal in sme and ortofon parts email them directly try Juerg at info at schopper.ch and Koji at eiflcorp at netspace.or.jp You might also try flat earth audio in the states at fea at flatearthaudio.com but its a long shot good luck Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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G -----Original Message----- From: Warren [SMTP:wtremain at bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: SME 3012 parts This is where I would try to get the parts you need both deal in sme and ortofon parts email them directly try Juerg at info at schopper.ch and Koji at eiflcorp at netspace.or.jp You might also try flat earth audio in the states at fea at flatearthaudio.com but its a long shot good luck Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jul 31 04:17:04 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:17:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: naktalk-digest V2 #2522 Message-ID: I've got three great performing classic Nakamichi decks, and a couple pleasant stories regarding the thoughtfulness and extra assistance offered when I interacted with the Nakamichi USA (Torrance, Calif)technical service and replacement parts department folks. I've yet to send any of my Nakamichi gear for servicing though; When I do, I will probably deal directly with the aftermarket experts that frequent NakTalk. No complaints from my corner of cyberspace when the topic is Nakamichi cassette deck performance and customer satisfaction!!! K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:46:44 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2522 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 09:05:29 +0530 From: kannan Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... Probably I can recal a good attention by Japanese Nakservice/ spare parts dept . The lady at Nak japan Service/ spares sent me the Dragon Service manual with very bad drawing of the schematics and I sent her an email about it last year. She promptly sent me a very good copy within weeks spending about 12 $ worth of posting. She also sent me the famale edge connector for Nak dragon playback head free on the next consignment( as the current ones ( male connectors on the lead wires are different from the early batch of Dragons )- which I had and needed the replacement head. I also found them very helpful until the Nakamichi policy changed - that I can order only thru Indian distributor who is nowhere to be found. Incidently the drawing shows Dragon version 2 schematics! ( while Naks com server has Dragon ver 1 schematics!) kannan > End of naktalk-digest V2 #2522 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Jul 31 04:50:34 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 19:50:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2524 (M-Tape 2) Message-ID: Graham - I removed Pavel Pasechnik, Voronezh, Russia, and added Neil Walker, Capetown, South Africa to the M-Tape 2 section of the webpage. Look that over and inform me whether we need any changes. I'm adding info as I learn of changes, since I can't seem to read your somewhat garbled attachments listing revisions. Do me a favor, and send me a listing of the revised order and any additional M-Tape 2 newbies, preferably in a simple MS Word document format. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html My observation is that it looks like we have a bit of room for a few more contributors on M-Tape 2. Pavel and Neil, any other M-Tapers, do you have a photo or two of your Nak gear to contribute to the webpage? Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 21:16:51 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2524 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 11:53:56 -0400 From: "nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com" Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION Tape 2 - PARTICIPANTS (INCLUDING NEAL!) Sorry Neal! I don't think you were ever on the list that I issued, but that wasn't the original one which Carlos started. Unfortunately the original list got deleted even before I had a chance to screw it up!!! [Or, if I DID put you on the Tape 2 list that I first issued, then I probably did screw up ... all things are possible in my state of mind just at the moment!! :o) ] However, there is no problem in getting you on it/back on it. I'm at work right now but, on getting home (if I remember where that is...) I'll re-issue the list again to include you. No problemo! FOR ALL THE OTHER GUYS, PLEASE CHECK THE LOST TO ENSURE YOU HAVE NOT BEEN MISSED - SOME GUYS CONTACTED CARLOS AND NOT ME ABOUT TAPE 2 - CARLOS DOESN'T RECALL WHO THEY WERE; SO, IF YOU DIDN'T CONTACT ME SUBSEQUENTLY, YOU WON'T BE ON THE LIST. YOU MUST, THEREFORE, CONTACT ME NOW TO GET ON IT ..... Gra' Gra' Original Message: - ----------------- From: Neal Walker nealw at decillion.net Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:54:58 +0200 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Just one question how come i was dropped off the list? i see Mark Hugo in South Africa so surely I would be on this list (I certainly was in the beginning)?? Neal Walker 9 Montrose Ave Oranjezicht Cape Town 8001 South Africa - -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 29 July 2002 20:14 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Guys Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. Graham Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Jul 31 06:15:54 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 00:15:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <009b01c23778$8b4eddc0$433442cf@sank1> <3D463A6D.2F65C270@snet.net> <002301c237cc$f8b0af20$9a2f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D476479.2FAA2E0E@snet.net> You are absolutely right in that respect! Ed El Magnifico wrote: > Yes, I agree too, but there's a huge difference between both companies: > attitude. Revox service and parts is one of the best in the industry, > perhaps because they treat all customers like Pro-Audio studios. Just try to > find a part for your beloved 1000 ZXL and or try to reach someone at > Torrance for a tech.question. On the other hand, a Revox Support Eng. is > always a call away and you can still find a part for an old A-77. > > That's just the main difference. Sonically speaking, Nakamichi is excellent, > but for me in order to qualify a component as "the best", it has to come > with nice customer service and long parts availability. > > Just my thoughts ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Noyes" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 2:04 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... > > > Having just had to replace about a half dozen caps in mid 70's Revox A77 > which is also > > showing fairly significant capstan bearing wear, I have to agree with > Stephen. When > > you consider that history has shown only a small number of common failures > in all but > > the most complex Nakamichi's, it quickly becomes apparent that they are > some pretty > > amazingly sound machines. > > > > Ed > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > You know, I have serviced dozens and dozens of 550's, which I have great > > > fondness for, and I have not yet encountered this 400Hz leakage problem. > I > > > have to assume that it was an early production problem that was > corrected in > > > later units. Should be a simple matter to re-assign contacts on the > > > oscillator switch or the rec/play slide switch to power on the circuit > only > > > in record mode. Don't have the schematics here at home or I could > specify > > > how to do it right now. > > > And I have never seen any of the other problems this guy whines about > > > either. I'd rather own an old 1000 than a Revox A77 any day of the > week. > > > Speaking of using bad parts, try asking any of us Revox servicers how > many > > > German electrolytics we've replaced in Revox's & Tandbergs. The only > answer > > > will be "hundreds!" > > > As for the Advent 200, the old Mr. Nakamichi was very explicit about > telling > > > my old boss that he "built it to THEIR specs & budget!" when introducing > the > > > 1000 to him & the subject came up. The fact that Advent dictated how > > > horrible that deck would be is obviously evidenced by how much of an > equal, > > > or worse, piece of crap the godawful, Wollensak-made 201 was. > > > I think this guy had just plain bad luck, or was so p.o.'d about the 550 > > > fault that every isolated incident with any other model seemed to him a > > > "design flaw". > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Wed Jul 31 12:14:08 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:14:08 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List Message-ID: The outpatient one???? That's the one for the budget conscious, right? ........I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy..... Marc >>> jmtooley at ce.net 07/30/02 02:35PM >>> Did you ever get that outpatient lobotomy done? ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > I'm having a bad year this week .... anyone know any good brain doctors .... here it is again .... only right this time .... *sigh* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 8:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Now i have time for 6:33 minutes song. (just kidding !!) > > Graham, I believe you put Eddie on bottom of list instead of Ezio. It's > gotta be that virus again =) > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 1:14 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 - Revised Circulation List > > > Guys > > Unfortunately, Pavel has had to drop out. Here is the revised list. > > Graham > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 15/07/02 > > > > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-8.txt ************************************************************************ From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Aug 2 14:21:32 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 22:21:32 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BC7@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Same from here. Sorry for the lateness, I was away for 2 weeks. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2002 7:19 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends Same from Puerto Rico ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: [naktalk] Condolences to our Ukranain friends > Sincere sympathy to our Ukranian friends - Misha Miranov and any others who may be naktalkers - hope you were nowhere near the terrible accident at the Lviv airshow today. > > Marc > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Kind of frumpy looking, but functional. Of course, one would want a clean fitting appearance, easy to remove when the deck is to be used. Does anyone have suggestions on a brand name of computer or audio covers that fits the general dimensions of the classic decks like ZX7, RX505, Dragon? I'm not looking for designer names that cost mucho clams. Is there a way to fabricate covers from some plastic material? Thanks for any assistance you can provide! K.J. Bleus Madison, Wisc USA --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Aug 2 20:52:57 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John Gradowski) Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 11:52:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Decks & Dust Covers References: Message-ID: <000601c23a55$d141d960$542dcd3f@baboonasqthsvj> A company named Fellows makes some really cool computer covers. They have some that are a gray cloth. I think it is nylon. They look pretty cool, and they are cheap. I am pretty sure Fellows has a web site. Cal John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:20 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nak Decks & Dust Covers > A quick question, what do you guys think about dust covers Nak decks? Even with a filtration system in my home, so much dust particulates are floating around, and getting inside my deck transport systems. > > I'm trying some of my old computer dust covers, clear plastic pieces that somewhat fit over my Nak decks. Kind of frumpy looking, but functional. Of course, one would want a clean fitting appearance, easy to remove when the deck is to be used. Does anyone have suggestions on a brand name of computer or audio covers that fits the general dimensions of the classic decks like ZX7, RX505, Dragon? I'm not looking for designer names that cost mucho clams. Is there a way to fabricate covers from some plastic material? > > Thanks for any assistance you can provide! > > K.J. Bleus > Madison, Wisc USA > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From mlhonrado at hotmail.com Sat Aug 3 16:49:21 2002 From: mlhonrado at hotmail.com (Mariano Honrado) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:49:21 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] manuals Message-ID: Hello Jannis: Try this ..... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:25:44 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] manuals Hi everyone who is not on vacation After an erroneous pressing of a button I deleted a whole Partition on my hard disk. As a result I lost files I had downloaded from our manuals section. Can anyone please give me the site address and the password again? Jannis _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Aug 3 20:19:55 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:19:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem Message-ID: <20020803.141956.-299581.4.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, my 660ZX has never before given me a problem. All of a sudden, it decided it doesn't like to go into record mode. Play, FF, RW and all other functions seem fine. However, when I put it into record mode, the transport won't move. It makes a electronic humming noise, and sounds like it really wants to start, but doesn't. If I leave it like that for one to three minutes, it will eventually start moving on its own. Ironically, my old 480Z used to do the same thing. What's wrong? Belt slipping? Lubrication needed? Help! - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sat Aug 3 22:46:16 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 16:46:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: Message-ID: <007f01c23b2e$d083ace0$70021fac@brianm> Hi all, I have been off the list for awhile. I was at my local stereo shop today and they had a ZX-7 for sale; as a past owner of a ZX-9 I am aware of the quality of this deck. I haven't kept up on current values of decks, I know they have fallen quite a bit. It appears to be in excellent condition but I never got a chance to talk with my salesman about it. Any thoughts on the current value? I looked on Completed eBay sales and there was one ZX-7, the seller listed at Buy-It-Now for $79! Needless to say, it didn't last long and someone got a great buy. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Aug 3 22:57:45 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 21:57:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Message-ID: <01C23B38.CE9B8060.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> c. $500??? Graham -----Original Message----- From: Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 Hi all, I have been off the list for awhile. I was at my local stereo shop today and they had a ZX-7 for sale; as a past owner of a ZX-9 I am aware of the quality of this deck. I haven't kept up on current values of decks, I know they have fallen quite a bit. It appears to be in excellent condition but I never got a chance to talk with my salesman about it. Any thoughts on the current value? I looked on Completed eBay sales and there was one ZX-7, the seller listed at Buy-It-Now for $79! Needless to say, it didn't last long and someone got a great buy. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 4 02:19:30 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:19:30 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem References: <20020803.141956.-299581.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <002101c23b4c$9b3d3bf0$1a3442cf@sank1> It sounds like it's just the mode drive belt starting to slip. It's the small belt that drives the big white gear cam for head lift. At this point, you could probably get by for quite a while by just giving the belt a quick cleaning with turpentine. Most easily done from the bottom side of the deck. Remind me at the appropriate moment & I can send you a new belt when I ship the Krell back. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem > Okay, my 660ZX has never before given me a problem. All of a sudden, it > decided it doesn't like to go into record mode. Play, FF, RW and all > other functions seem fine. However, when I put it into record mode, the > transport won't move. It makes a electronic humming noise, and sounds > like it really wants to start, but doesn't. > > If I leave it like that for one to three minutes, it will eventually > start moving on its own. Ironically, my old 480Z used to do the same > thing. What's wrong? Belt slipping? Lubrication needed? > > Help! > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Aug 4 06:19:34 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:19:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem Message-ID: <20020804.002258.-232783.5.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks, Stephen. Is replacement of this belt something a layman can do? Or am I going to break something if I try this? - Joe On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:19:30 -0600 "Stephen Sank" writes: > It sounds like it's just the mode drive belt starting to slip. It's > the > small belt that drives the big white gear cam for head lift. At > this point, > you could probably get by for quite a while by just giving the belt > a quick > cleaning with turpentine. Most easily done from the bottom side of > the > deck. Remind me at the appropriate moment & I can send you a new > belt when > I ship the Krell back. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem > > > > Okay, my 660ZX has never before given me a problem. All of a > sudden, it > > decided it doesn't like to go into record mode. Play, FF, RW and > all > > other functions seem fine. However, when I put it into record > mode, the > > transport won't move. It makes a electronic humming noise, and > sounds > > like it really wants to start, but doesn't. > > > > If I leave it like that for one to three minutes, it will > eventually > > start moving on its own. Ironically, my old 480Z used to do the > same > > thing. What's wrong? Belt slipping? Lubrication needed? > > > > Help! > > - Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Aug 4 06:50:40 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 21:50:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Cassette Deck Maintenance Message-ID: Greetings - I have some information posted on the Nak Cassette Deck Cyberspot website that may be useful to my fellow NakTalkers, especially the newer users of Nakamichi decks. What I have is a graphic of maintenance guidelines which covers all the basics needed to keep your Nak deck (in this case a ZX-7) in tip-top shape to provide the best performance possible. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmaintenance.html I'm working on the finishing touches of a posting of the Nak ZX-7 technical review article from Audio Magazine, May 1982. That should be completed and posted during the next few days..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakzx7a.html Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 4 08:53:08 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:53:08 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem References: <20020804.002258.-232783.5.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <004e01c23b83$982b6310$1a3442cf@sank1> It's quite easy, but not quite as easy as on non-auto-azimuth decks, due to the azimuth drive box blocking a nice big cutout in the chassis plate that facilitates getting the belt onto the big pulley. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem > Thanks, Stephen. Is replacement of this belt something a layman can do? > > > Or am I going to break something if I try this? > > - Joe > > > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 18:19:30 -0600 "Stephen Sank" > writes: > > It sounds like it's just the mode drive belt starting to slip. It's > > the > > small belt that drives the big white gear cam for head lift. At > > this point, > > you could probably get by for quite a while by just giving the belt > > a quick > > cleaning with turpentine. Most easily done from the bottom side of > > the > > deck. Remind me at the appropriate moment & I can send you a new > > belt when > > I ship the Krell back. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 12:19 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: 660ZX problem > > > > > > > Okay, my 660ZX has never before given me a problem. All of a > > sudden, it > > > decided it doesn't like to go into record mode. Play, FF, RW and > > all > > > other functions seem fine. However, when I put it into record > > mode, the > > > transport won't move. It makes a electronic humming noise, and > > sounds > > > like it really wants to start, but doesn't. > > > > > > If I leave it like that for one to three minutes, it will > > eventually > > > start moving on its own. Ironically, my old 480Z used to do the > > same > > > thing. What's wrong? Belt slipping? Lubrication needed? > > > > > > Help! > > > - Joe > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 4 19:43:00 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:43:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <01C23B38.CE9B8060.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <063801c23bde$60ec42b0$7a021fac@brianm> Wow, what happened to all the Naktalk activity? When I left a month ago, there was mass amounts of conversation! Is there a manual to download for the ZX7/9? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > c. $500??? > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > Hi all, > > I have been off the list for awhile. I was at my local stereo shop today > and they had a ZX-7 for sale; as a past owner of a ZX-9 I am aware of the > quality of this deck. I haven't kept up on current values of decks, I know > they have fallen quite a bit. It appears to be in excellent condition but I > never got a chance to talk with my salesman about it. > > Any thoughts on the current value? I looked on Completed eBay sales and > there was one ZX-7, the seller listed at Buy-It-Now for $79! Needless to > say, it didn't last long and someone got a great buy. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rob755 at cwnet.com Sun Aug 4 22:01:27 2002 From: rob755 at cwnet.com (Rob Hamilton) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:01:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <01C23B38.CE9B8060.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <063801c23bde$60ec42b0$7a021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000701c23bf1$bb5b86d0$18388ed1@D74G7711> Hi Brian, I sold a really minty ZX-7 maybe 8-10 mos. ago on e-bay for around $450. I had no bragging rights that it had been to Steve's or recently serviced...that I knew of. I did praise it's virtues though & have confidence inspiring e-bay reputation. I would guess that would be about as much money as one might expect these days. I am that guy who scored the ZX-7 "buy it now" for $79.00. The deck should be here Monday. I'm hoping it's healthy. As I have a ZX-9, CR7A, 2-RX-505's & a 581, I will be thinning things out very soon. I'll keep you posted. Happy listening! Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Wow, what happened to all the Naktalk activity? When I left a month ago, > there was mass amounts of conversation! > > Is there a manual to download for the ZX7/9? > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:57 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > c. $500??? > > > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com] > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:46 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > Hi all, > > > > I have been off the list for awhile. I was at my local stereo shop today > > and they had a ZX-7 for sale; as a past owner of a ZX-9 I am aware of the > > quality of this deck. I haven't kept up on current values of decks, I > know > > they have fallen quite a bit. It appears to be in excellent condition but > I > > never got a chance to talk with my salesman about it. > > > > Any thoughts on the current value? I looked on Completed eBay sales and > > there was one ZX-7, the seller listed at Buy-It-Now for $79! Needless to > > say, it didn't last long and someone got a great buy. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Sun Aug 4 22:29:10 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 16:29:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 References: <01C23B38.CE9B8060.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <063801c23bde$60ec42b0$7a021fac@brianm> <000701c23bf1$bb5b86d0$18388ed1@D74G7711> Message-ID: <067301c23bf5$97841fc0$7a021fac@brianm> What a buy Rob! Those are the rare "steals" you hear about; good for you! Thanks for the reply. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Hamilton" To: Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > Hi Brian, I sold a really minty ZX-7 maybe 8-10 mos. ago on e-bay for around > $450. I had no bragging rights that it had been to Steve's or recently > serviced...that I knew of. I did praise it's virtues though & have > confidence inspiring e-bay reputation. I would guess that would be about as > much money as one might expect these days. I am that guy who scored the ZX-7 > "buy it now" for $79.00. The deck should be here Monday. I'm hoping it's > healthy. As I have a ZX-9, CR7A, 2-RX-505's & a 581, I will be thinning > things out very soon. I'll keep you posted. Happy listening! Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > Wow, what happened to all the Naktalk activity? When I left a month ago, > > there was mass amounts of conversation! > > > > Is there a manual to download for the ZX7/9? > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 4:57 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > > c. $500??? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brian Miller [SMTP:brianm at grar.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 9:46 PM > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: [naktalk] ZX-7 > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I have been off the list for awhile. I was at my local stereo shop > today > > > and they had a ZX-7 for sale; as a past owner of a ZX-9 I am aware of > the > > > quality of this deck. I haven't kept up on current values of decks, I > > know > > > they have fallen quite a bit. It appears to be in excellent condition > but > > I > > > never got a chance to talk with my salesman about it. > > > > > > Any thoughts on the current value? I looked on Completed eBay sales and > > > there was one ZX-7, the seller listed at Buy-It-Now for $79! Needless > to > > > say, it didn't last long and someone got a great buy. > > > > > > Brian Miller > > > Michigan > > > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > > --- > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > --- > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 24/07/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > --- > > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > > > > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From bjgrady at pacbell.net Fri Aug 9 23:12:35 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 14:12:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 In-Reply-To: <01C23FE7.784B6F00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c23fe9$7c8b50b0$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Hey all. Just curious, has anything been up w/ the NakTalk server of something? These last few posts are the first I have seen for the past 3 or 4 days. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:58 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Marathon - Tape 2 Importance: High Guys Where are we up to? Who's got the tape now? I need to know as it may be necessary to change the order again. Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wheijke at xs4all.nl Fri Aug 9 23:18:26 2002 From: wheijke at xs4all.nl (wheijke at xs4all.nl) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 23:18:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [naktalk] Server down... Message-ID: <5797.193.248.147.250.1028927906.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Hi All, As you may have noticed the server was down the last few days... The hosting company of the naks.com server went bancrupt so I (and some other friends) had to find a new hosting facility quickly!We were lucky to have a friend who was willing to put our servers in his server room on very short notice! So hopefully we can all enjoy undisturbed naktalk messages for the next years to come!!! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Very MANY thanks for saving the day, Wouter - you are a hero. Graham -----Original Message----- From: wheijke at xs4all.nl [SMTP:wheijke at xs4all.nl] Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:18 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Server down... Hi All, As you may have noticed the server was down the last few days... The hosting company of the naks.com server went bancrupt so I (and some other friends) had to find a new hosting facility quickly!We were lucky to have a friend who was willing to put our servers in his server room on very short notice! So hopefully we can all enjoy undisturbed naktalk messages for the next years to come!!! Wouter ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Aug 10 02:06:45 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 19:06:45 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Server down... References: <5797.193.248.147.250.1028927906.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <001401c24001$d6f6d200$87232ac4@CopyTech> Hey Woter ! Where you been lately ? Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [naktalk] Server down... > Hi All, > > As you may have noticed the server was down the last few days... > The hosting company of the naks.com server went bancrupt so I (and some > other friends) had to find a new hosting facility quickly!We were lucky to have a friend who was willing to put our servers in his > server room on very short notice! > So hopefully we can all enjoy undisturbed naktalk messages for the next > years to come!!! > Wouter > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Tue Aug 6 18:33:29 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 22:03:29 +0530 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Naktalk References: <200108050023156.SM01844@thumbs.grar.com> <006e01c23d56$b8397410$99021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3D4FFA59.1DDDC384@vsnl.com> I am sorry in replying you a bit late as I was out of Bangalore for a personal work and did not see any mail. Naktalk may be temporarily silent as subject dries out but I have found somebody would ask something to start the active talk again. I have not checked the site recently but I can send a copy of ZX9 manual ( service ) to you as there is no ZX7 manual at Nak server. If you want only operating manual I can search ( I may be having if that was on the server ) and send that too. The squealing noise is due to Mode cam pully - which is connected to the mode cam motor causing this sound. You have to put a single drop of SAE30 oil at the white plastic gear bearing area. You can clearly see this pully connected to the cam if you remove the bottom cover. Stephen would definitely reply if the mail had reached him try sending him one more mail - He may suggest suitable commercial name of this oil to you. Let me know which manual you need - service or operating manual? Kannan Brian Miller wrote: > Hi Kannan, > > What is the deal with Naktalk? I unsubscribed maybe a month ago as there > was quite a bit of e-mail coming in and very little > interested me; since resubscribing on Saturday there has been nothing from > Naktalk other than a message I posted and a reply from Graham. There was > lots of talk about the tape that was being sent around to everyone to record > on a month ago. > > Also, the ftp site doesn't seem to be be working; do you have any knowledge > of this? I need a manual ZX-7 I just picked up. > > Speaking of it, when I push stop, there is a slight squealing noise; I know > this was discussed before but I cannot remember the cause, can you fill me > in? > > I sent an e-mail directly to Stephen about a CD player and haven't heard > from him either. Strange! > > Thanks, > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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PLEASE reply off-list to: > khmerideth at anderson.edu . > > Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming. I have not received > anything since Sunday, August 4th. > > Kent > Central Indiana--crossroads of.......where? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Aug 10 10:33:59 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 09:33:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Message-ID: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Here is an auction of ten Nak remotes: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 The seller is asking USD1000. Seems to me that s/he is being optimistic by about one order of magnitude! ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Aug 6 08:29:07 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 07:29:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] eBay auction 1371333511 Message-ID: <3D4F6CB3.4050004@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Have you all seen this? Is there any scope to own this lot collectively, or would it all prove too difficult? John Walker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Aug 10 17:56:21 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:56:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed References: <000701c24023$09cc1d40$e1843a41@compaq> Message-ID: <001301c24086$7cddef30$8f2f2ac4@CopyTech> Hello: If I were you I'll definetely change the drivers with replacement woofers. It would be easy to find better woofers than Bose itself. No use to replace the foam suspension in those kind of woofers. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at a price I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to be replaced on the 8 inch woofers. 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John ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed Hello: If I were you I'll definetely change the drivers with replacement woofers. It would be easy to find better woofers than Bose itself. No use to replace the foam suspension in those kind of woofers. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at a price I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to be replaced on the 8 inch woofers. Can someone tell me where's the best place to purchase a foam surround repair kit? Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Aug 7 21:18:46 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 21:18:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] non receipt of transmission Message-ID: <000901c23e47$412a8160$eb251ec4@private> this is a test ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Aug 10 19:33:27 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:33:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Abrasive CA 7 at high end Message-ID: <004201c24094$09bfd6e0$53231ec4@private> Stephen Sank mentioned the other day on this forum that the dogs within a mile radius of a CA7 (when this is played through better speakers) go ballistic from the upper frequency sound eminating from this preamp.On German eBay a seller sells his CA7 wherein he splurges that his machine is not the German model with the ( I quote) "Sound killing capacitors" but the American model with 220V (of course). Did Nakamichi try to fix something which Stephen alludes to,and they overkilled the problem on the German model? Or is the problem experienced in Germany caused by their stringent electrical requirements ? It would be interesting to hear the specialists comment on this. I seem to have identified my preamp to be the Australian model by looking at the exterior connections, but as I only have Bose Accoustimass speakers ,I cannot identify whether my machine falls in any of the two camps or is not afflicted by any of the two maladies ! Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Sat Aug 10 19:52:34 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 13:52:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Test References: <001201c23ede$d8de3be0$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <3D5552E2.19CB3890@warwick.net> Walter, Got it. BW > wme drewes wrote: > > We have had no communication from the Nakamichi Brotherhood for > nearly 3 days.If the site is alive you will receive this transmission. > Could I be so rude as to ask anyone who receives this TODAY (8/8/2002) > to email me receipt of the transmission ? Thank you Walter > Drewes ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Aug 10 19:59:26 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 10:59:26 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed Message-ID: <001f01c24097$abdfb780$e4889a40@compaq> I do accept your advice Carlos, however I need to know from any Nakster where I shall purchase these 8 ohm 8 ince woofers from and also what frequency range they shall be. I'm guess around 40 hz to 2000 hz? ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed Hello: If I were you I'll definetely change the drivers with replacement woofers. It would be easy to find better woofers than Bose itself. No use to replace the foam suspension in those kind of woofers. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at a price I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to be replaced on the 8 inch woofers. Can someone tell me where's the best place to purchase a foam surround repair kit? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sat Aug 10 21:12:29 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:12:29 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Server down... Message-ID: <008201c240a1$dfc90240$53231ec4@private> Dankie ! Walter Drewes -----Original Message----- From: wheijke at xs4all.nl To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: [naktalk] Server down... >Hi All, > >As you may have noticed the server was down the last few days... >The hosting company of the naks.com server went bancrupt so I (and some >other friends) had to find a new hosting facility quickly!We were lucky to have a friend who was willing to put our servers in his >server room on very short notice! >So hopefully we can all enjoy undisturbed naktalk messages for the next >years to come!!! >Wouter > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sat Aug 10 21:15:47 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 12:15:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with YOUR CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively that would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. Roland http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Aug 10 22:58:28 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 15:58:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed References: <001f01c24097$abdfb780$e4889a40@compaq> Message-ID: <002201c240b0$b1098c90$8a232ac4@CopyTech> I guess, you want it to keep it original, right ? If so,contact Bose directly and tell them the problem, if not, just buy a pair of better woofers with similar specs and rubber suspension. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Fw: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed I do accept your advice Carlos, however I need to know from any Nakster where I shall purchase these 8 ohm 8 ince woofers from and also what frequency range they shall be. I'm guess around 40 hz to 2000 hz? ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed Hello: If I were you I'll definetely change the drivers with replacement woofers. It would be easy to find better woofers than Bose itself. No use to replace the foam suspension in those kind of woofers. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: bigbear69 To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at a price I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to be replaced on the 8 inch woofers. Can someone tell me where's the best place to purchase a foam surround repair kit? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Aug 10 22:52:27 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 21:52:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed References: <000701c24023$09cc1d40$e1843a41@compaq> <001301c24086$7cddef30$8f2f2ac4@CopyTech> <021901c24084$fb240de0$30756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3D557D0B.8080206@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I recall a good, generic article in a recent edition of AudioXpress magazine which highlighted a very good supplier of repair kits.But I cannot remember the name of the company, nor find the relevant magazine. Try searching their website. John (in his chaotic study, waiting to buy some wood, so he can finish off restoring his roll-front filing cabinet, and unable to find anything!) Portland John M. Tooley wrote: > I read once, somewhere, that Bose has a trade in policy, your old for > new deal, but that may have been for the 901 model! > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* El Magnifico > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:56 AM > *Subject:* Re: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed > > Hello: > > If I were you I'll definetely change the drivers with replacement > woofers. It would be easy to find better woofers than Bose itself. > No use to replace the foam suspension in those kind of woofers. > > Carlos > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* bigbear69 > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Friday, August 09, 2002 11:04 PM > *Subject:* [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed > > I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at > a price I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to > be replaced on the 8 inch woofers. Can someone tell me where's > the best place to purchase a foam surround repair kit? > Thanks. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Message Scanned by Delaware.Net Security Server. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 10 23:24:43 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:24:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Abrasive CA 7 at high end References: <004201c24094$09bfd6e0$53231ec4@private> Message-ID: <008301c240b4$5f7e0320$313442cf@sank2> I think the guy is talking nonsense. To my knowledge, no changes were made between production dates or destination countries on the CA-7, except for the obvious power input components. And the CA-7's problem is not "sound killing capacitors"(although there is room for improvement there), but the excessive use of active negative feedback. I'll have some news in the next week or two on Vinod's CA-7, which is the first time I've been authorised to experiment with on seeiung how much improvement can be had by altering the feedback circuit & other things. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "wdrewes" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:33 PM Subject: [naktalk] Abrasive CA 7 at high end Stephen Sank mentioned the other day on this forum that the dogs within a mile radius of a CA7 (when this is played through better speakers) go ballistic from the upper frequency sound eminating from this preamp.On German eBay a seller sells his CA7 wherein he splurges that his machine is not the German model with the ( I quote) "Sound killing capacitors" but the American model with 220V (of course). Did Nakamichi try to fix something which Stephen alludes to,and they overkilled the problem on the German model? Or is the problem experienced in Germany caused by their stringent electrical requirements ? It would be interesting to hear the specialists comment on this. I seem to have identified my preamp to be the Australian model by looking at the exterior connections, but as I only have Bose Accoustimass speakers ,I cannot identify whether my machine falls in any of the two camps or is not afflicted by any of the two maladies ! Walter Drewes ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From zsoph at earthlink.net Sat Aug 10 23:46:17 2002 From: zsoph at earthlink.net (zsoph) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 14:46:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for your Nak remote. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading > it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with YOUR > CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively that > would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > Roland > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at attbi.com Sun Aug 11 00:12:42 2002 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:12:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed/ Website for Speaker repair References: <000701c24023$09cc1d40$e1843a41@compaq> <001301c24086$7cddef30$8f2f2ac4@CopyTech> <021901c24084$fb240de0$30756acf@johnnyrotten> <3D557D0B.8080206@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D558FDA.1020407@attbi.com> Here is a web site for speaker repair that I got from the July2002 AudioXpress http://www.recone.com/ Bruno ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hock4 at bellatlantic.net Sun Aug 11 03:47:30 2002 From: hock4 at bellatlantic.net (The Hocks) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:47:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2531 References: <200208101358.PAA11835@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D55C232.19539F48@bellatlantic.net> > > > Hi, I love Naks and really enjoy reading Naktalk, anyway > I just wanted to make it clear. The Ebay auction for the remotes is a Dutch Auction. The Seller wants $1000.00 each (for one!!).... Regards, Bill > > John Walker wrote: > Here is an auction of ten Nak > remotes: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > Have you all seen this? Is there any scope to own this lot collectively, > or would it all prove too difficult? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdewire at ameritech.net Sun Aug 11 00:48:34 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:48:34 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay In-Reply-To: <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> Message-ID: Nak Talkers, I remember a time when people who enjoyed music and stereo equipment used to share things with each other and if they had something to sell it was offered at a reasonable price. Since I have joined this forum and others like it (Marantz Talk) it is nice to know that for the most part these people still exist. Unfortunately the way of the world has turned to greed for many and such is the case with the Nak Remotes on Ebay. As much as I would like one, I can think of many better things to do with 1,000 dollars. Too bad greed has to rule as it will surely be all of our undoing someday. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of zsoph Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for your Nak remote. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading > it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with YOUR > CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively that > would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > Roland > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 11 00:58:42 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:58:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2531 References: <200208101358.PAA11835@zebra.naks.com> <3D55C232.19539F48@bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: <3D559AA2.9000808@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Bill you managed to get two separate posts from me rolled into one - I was warning you to steer clear of the remotes. The other post was about a box of service manuals that went long before we could do anything. The Hocks wrote: >> > >> > >> Hi, I love Naks and really enjoy reading Naktalk, anyway > >> I just wanted to make it clear. The Ebay auction for the remotes is >> a Dutch Auction. > > The Seller wants $1000.00 each (for one!!).... Regards, Bill > > > > >> >> John Walker wrote: > >> /Here is an auction of ten Nak/ >> /remotes: >> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 >> / >> /> >/ >> >> /Have you all seen this? Is there any scope to own this lot >> collectively,/ >> /or would it all prove too difficult?/ >> > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 11 01:05:48 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:05:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Zsoph For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? Would you pay US$1000 for one? Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece of gear in the room! John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) zsoph wrote: >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for >your Nak remote. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Roland Alford" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with >> >> >YOUR > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively >> >> >that > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. >> >>Roland >> >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 >> >> >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hock4 at bellatlantic.net Sun Aug 11 04:40:28 2002 From: hock4 at bellatlantic.net (The Hocks) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 19:40:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2534 References: <200208102146.XAA14129@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D55CE9C.213B40FA@bellatlantic.net> Hi John, I'm sorry about that. I receive the Digest Naktalk and was trying to reply with only the relative posts and had a little trouble getting it out correctly. I did know about the box of manuals and was tempted, but I decided to pass, ( It was a reasonable price for the manuals and the 5 test tapes). I'm working on other upgrades on my system. Bill Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:58:42 +0100 From: John Walker Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2531 Bill you managed to get two separate posts from me rolled into one - I was warning you to steer clear of the remotes. The other post was about a box of service manuals that went long before we could do anything. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 8 22:10:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 16:10:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Manuals for CR-3A References: Message-ID: <3D52D037.9DF62EA5@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > A friend of mine at work gave me his CR-3A a few days ago, but didn't > have the manual for it (I'm not complaining after getting the deck for > free). > > I spent some time looking around on the web for both the user and > service manuals and haven't had much luck. It looks like I've tracked > down someone who has an original copy of the service manual and will > be putting it up on ebay in the near future. I emailed Nakamachi > parts yesterday and got a response back saying that I could order a > photocopy. That would work, but I'd rather have an original - are > there any source for these other than hoping that one will show up on > ebay? Are the manuals available online anywhere? > > The deck needs a good cleaning (the previous owner is a heavy smoker). > It looks like there are several good places to send the deck > (Electronic Service Labs in Connecticut would be convenient, as I'm in > the Boston area) - where/what do you guys recommend? > > My initial impressions of the deck are very favorable. I also own an > Onkyo Integra TA-2600 which seems to be a well regarded deck, but > after listening for a few hours last night, I feel the Nak sounds much > better. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds I highly recommend Stephen Sank. He did an excellent job on my Nak CR-7, as well as an a Toshiba SV-F990 prosumer VCR. Both had difficult, elusive problems that he cleanly resolved. He was very responsive. His prices were very reasonable -- well worth the extra shipping costs (he's located in NM). -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 8 21:50:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 15:50:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D52CB8D.3840CA60@rcn.com> Salim Marzuki wrote: > > To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on > Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. > Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here > before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) > > ====================================================== > > Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point > that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. > > I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story > behind it. > > I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in > the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a > remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to > professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came > back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. > They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could > easily here a faint, constant tone. > > Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure > of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published > signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such > that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that > were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and > others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). > > I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band > (about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed > precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, > EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had > easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard > in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum > > Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned > units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same > frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK > around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was > not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As > long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal > spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical > proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply > decoupling assured that this problem would happen. > > I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not > the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them > with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, > I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting > the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator > off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). > > Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator > was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. > Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, > they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. > > But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published > noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to > provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, > there is no problem." > > Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro > and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made > even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the > buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the > opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product > thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that > failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. > > Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY > kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying > that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix > them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to > whistle on its merry way. > > To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had > sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling > cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary > to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro > recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in > parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, > once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something > subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns > out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and > bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), > Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. > > We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design > that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. > > This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the > product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, > stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking > reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. > > The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by > Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the > bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to > take the defective hardware back again. > > Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional > reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their > advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and > flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 > WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible > comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's > could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more > reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. > > If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely > compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the > low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the > pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push > the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. > > Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's > butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their > arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for > one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. > I am sorry to say I concur. I have have had nothing but bad experiences with Nakamichi's so called Customer Service and Parts. Patty is hardly ever by her phone, and she positively does NOT return calls. Last time, I had to call again and again, for over a week, until I was actually blessed with the sound of her voice. When I asked for technical information (Service Bulletin for a CR-7), these schmucks (all the way up to the Service Manager) flatly refused (I finally got it -- thanks again, Stephen). I don't have to mention Nakamichi's rip-off prices -- the CR-7 cassette backlight (a single 'grain of wheat' bulb) cost me $13.12, including shipping and their delicate handling. OTOH, when I ordered a panel light bulb from ReVox, they said it was too little money to justify cutting a bill and sent it to me gratis. That said, I am now on my third Nakamichi cassette deck. Nak products were amazingly good at what they do and were fairly reliable (not the best, but way better than average). I have never opened up a Nak that I don't own, but did repair ReVox stuff for a living and can truthfully say that their reliability isn't that much better than Nak's. In short, I think the big difference is not in the product quality, but what the Nak customer attitude has become. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Aug 11 05:30:47 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:30:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Message-ID: <20020810.233047.-220937.7.josephj69@juno.com> Of course, you're right, Michael. The internet, specifically eBay, has now made it possible to make a living off selling used gear. However, there is a very important up side to the internet that we often forget. People may not be as generous with their old gear, but they are a lot more willing to share INFORMATION. Think about it. Spend some time on Audio Asylum, rec.audio.opinion, or this very list, and you'll find no shortage of people willing to give advice and share their knowledge. The length of some of the posts on AA is unbelievable. That some people are willing to spend 30 minutes or more typing a post just to help a complete stranger still amazes me. Yes, some of that advice is misguided, but would you rather rely on Stereophile and Absolute Sound for reliable recommendations? :) Closer to home, just look at the time Stephen gives all of us on this list. The wisdom and information he provides simply cannot be found anywhere else at any price. Yes, these days you'll have to pay top dollar for that used receiver, but the advice we get for free on this list is priceless. - Joe On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:48:34 -0500 "Michael E DeWire" writes: > Nak Talkers, > > > I remember a time when people who enjoyed music and stereo equipment > used to > share things with each other and if they had something to sell it > was > offered at a reasonable price. Since I have joined this forum and > others > like it (Marantz Talk) it is nice to know that for the most part > these > people still exist. > > Unfortunately the way of the world has turned to greed for many and > such is > the case with the Nak Remotes on Ebay. As much as I would like one, > I can > think of many better things to do with 1,000 dollars. Too bad greed > has to > rule as it will surely be all of our undoing someday. > > Best, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > zsoph > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit > City for > your Nak remote. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > reading > > it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION > with > YOUR > > CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. > Collectively > that > > would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > > Roland > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > --------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From zsoph at earthlink.net Sun Aug 11 05:47:13 2002 From: zsoph at earthlink.net (zsoph) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:47:13 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: Message-ID: <002301c240e9$c8396f00$1cdbe343@hummingbird> One of those Enron guys made off with 650 million. He could afford the remotes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Nak Talkers, > > > I remember a time when people who enjoyed music and stereo equipment used to > share things with each other and if they had something to sell it was > offered at a reasonable price. Since I have joined this forum and others > like it (Marantz Talk) it is nice to know that for the most part these > people still exist. > > Unfortunately the way of the world has turned to greed for many and such is > the case with the Nak Remotes on Ebay. As much as I would like one, I can > think of many better things to do with 1,000 dollars. Too bad greed has to > rule as it will surely be all of our undoing someday. > > Best, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > zsoph > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for > your Nak remote. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading > > it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > YOUR > > CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > that > > would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > > Roland > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From zsoph at earthlink.net Sun Aug 11 05:55:21 2002 From: zsoph at earthlink.net (zsoph) Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:55:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001701c240ea$eac4dbd0$1cdbe343@hummingbird> You are not very good at math. I justed listed 6 NOS Nak remotes with 1000.00 as opening bid. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Zsoph > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > of gear in the room! > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > zsoph wrote: > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for > >your Nak remote. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Roland Alford" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > >> > >> > >YOUR > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > >> > >> > >that > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > >> > >>Roland > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Aug 11 06:21:11 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 00:21:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed References: <000701c24023$09cc1d40$e1843a41@compaq> Message-ID: <3D55E62E.6AE21CD1@snet.net> I've done many surrounds over the years and use New Foam Speaker Place in New York almost exclusively. The number is 800-NewFoam. Right now I have a lot of 8" surrounds on hand and would be happy to send you a pair free. Contact me off list if you'd like them. Ed bigbear69 wrote: > I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at a price > I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to be replaced on > the 8 inch woofers. Can someone tell me where's the best place to > purchase a foam surround repair kit?Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sarin at mit.edu Sun Aug 11 07:48:48 2002 From: sarin at mit.edu (Pradeep Sarin) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bose mid/woofer replacement and an unrelated question Message-ID: hi for the person looking for replacement of the bose 601 woofers, layne of layne audio has them for $49 each (apparently foam rot is a common bose malaise). the url is http://layneaudio.hypermart.net no personal affililation etc, i've bought some speaker parts from him before and knew that he sells bose/advent/ar driver replacements (the oem units) so i thought i'd pass the information along. in a completely unrelated question, does anyone know of a source for service manuals for MR-1 and LX-3 decks? i have one of each that needs servicing: the MR-1 (with gear update) doesn't function at all - the head assembly doesn't even move up to the tape when a tape is inserted. it got to this stage in a fairly intermittent fashion: it wouldn't play occasionally but ffd/rew worked, and now nothing works. the LX-3 (i love it!) plays fine but does not record - if i hit record, all the internal gears get jammed up and i have to literally open the deck and disengage a few of the gears to get it to reset. sending it in for service is not really an option for me (student budget - these decks were basically thrift store luck shining) but i'm quite handy with screw-drivers and a soldering iron, so any advice would be greatly appreciated! cheers - pradeep ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 11 09:12:20 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:12:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001701c240ea$eac4dbd0$1cdbe343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D560E54.9030506@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> OK,OK we are talking about two separate auctions: all of the original posts on Naktalk were about eBay auction 1372374541 where the starting price was USD1000*each*. This is the first mention on this list that you, completely indepent of the first auction, are selling a lot of 6 Nak remotes in auction 1372716228, and that you are asking a more reasonable USD166.67 each for a total price of USD1000 (math OK there?). The misunderstanding is, I think, very understandable, but maybe you should have checked the auction number (and the different quantity) in my original post first. I still would not pay anything like a thousand bucks even for 6 of these things. But one of my fellow 'Naktalk guys' might just have deep enough pockets. Let us watch with interest. John (not psychic, but pretty bloody good at mathematics, actually) zsoph wrote: >You are not very good at math. I justed listed 6 NOS Nak remotes with >1000.00 as opening bid. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Walker" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:05 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > >>Zsoph >>For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that >> will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits >>from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch >>rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to >>be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads >>and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy >>to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? >>Would you pay US$1000 for one? >> >>Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote >>controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired >>remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about >>the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are >>any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless >>you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece >>of gear in the room! >> >>John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) >> >>zsoph wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City >>> >>> >for > > >>>your Nak remote. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Roland Alford" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am >>>> >>>> >reading > > >>>>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>YOUR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>that >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. >>>> >>>>Roland >>>> >>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>>======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>resource. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>>======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >resource. > > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Sun Aug 11 09:24:44 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 02:24:44 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay In-Reply-To: <20020810.233047.-220937.7.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: Joe, That is what I meant when " for the most part these people still exist". The information that is freely given is appreciated and I have learned a great deal and shared what I know as well. But I can tell you this that if I had 10 Nakamichi remotes I would not sell them for such a high price, it is just not my way. I am not a rich man but I can look at myself in the mirror everyday and like what I see. Take care, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of josephj69 at juno.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 10:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Of course, you're right, Michael. The internet, specifically eBay, has now made it possible to make a living off selling used gear. However, there is a very important up side to the internet that we often forget. People may not be as generous with their old gear, but they are a lot more willing to share INFORMATION. Think about it. Spend some time on Audio Asylum, rec.audio.opinion, or this very list, and you'll find no shortage of people willing to give advice and share their knowledge. The length of some of the posts on AA is unbelievable. That some people are willing to spend 30 minutes or more typing a post just to help a complete stranger still amazes me. Yes, some of that advice is misguided, but would you rather rely on Stereophile and Absolute Sound for reliable recommendations? :) Closer to home, just look at the time Stephen gives all of us on this list. The wisdom and information he provides simply cannot be found anywhere else at any price. Yes, these days you'll have to pay top dollar for that used receiver, but the advice we get for free on this list is priceless. - Joe On Sat, 10 Aug 2002 17:48:34 -0500 "Michael E DeWire" writes: > Nak Talkers, > > > I remember a time when people who enjoyed music and stereo equipment > used to > share things with each other and if they had something to sell it > was > offered at a reasonable price. Since I have joined this forum and > others > like it (Marantz Talk) it is nice to know that for the most part > these > people still exist. > > Unfortunately the way of the world has turned to greed for many and > such is > the case with the Nak Remotes on Ebay. As much as I would like one, > I can > think of many better things to do with 1,000 dollars. Too bad greed > has to > rule as it will surely be all of our undoing someday. > > Best, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of > zsoph > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit > City for > your Nak remote. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > reading > > it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION > with > YOUR > > CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. > Collectively > that > > would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > > Roland > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > --------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > ======= > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 11 11:43:01 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:43:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Message-ID: <01C24125.6AE3BAE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> (I noticed that but can't understand it ... I mean, I could understand $2m or maybe even $10m, but why $650m? How's he gonna manage to spend it all?! There ain't enough time in the day!) -----Original Message----- From: zsoph [SMTP:zsoph at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: NELSONH at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay One of those Enron guys made off with 650 million. He could afford the remotes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 3:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Nak Talkers, > > > I remember a time when people who enjoyed music and stereo equipment used to > share things with each other and if they had something to sell it was > offered at a reasonable price. Since I have joined this forum and others > like it (Marantz Talk) it is nice to know that for the most part these > people still exist. > > Unfortunately the way of the world has turned to greed for many and such is > the case with the Nak Remotes on Ebay. As much as I would like one, I can > think of many better things to do with 1,000 dollars. Too bad greed has to > rule as it will surely be all of our undoing someday. > > Best, > > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > zsoph > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:46 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for > your Nak remote. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading > > it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > YOUR > > CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > that > > would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > > Roland > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 11 12:01:21 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 11:01:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <3D52CB8D.3840CA60@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D5635F1.4090404@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I have just got a secondhand Nak550. No audible sign of 400 Hz tonal, so I guess that the problem got fixed in the end. Ron wrote: >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > >>To fill in the quietness of this July vacation, here's a dimmer view on >>Nakamichi (and its orange caps), taken from deja - posted by DP back in 96. >>Some people seem to hate Nak to the bones! Sorry if it was posted here >>before & if it is considered 'improper' to the group =) >> >>====================================================== >> >>Several people have emailed me asking for clarification on one point >>that I made in my response to the Nakamichi demise thread. >> >>I had mentioned the "defective" Nakamichi 550. Here's the real story >>behind it. >> >>I was one of the first Nakamichi dealers in the Boston area back in >>the 1970's. The 550 was a portable deck that showed great promise as a >>remote recording system. We sold several on that basis to >>professionals in the area. However, within weeks, all of them came >>back again, whether they were purchased by pros or home enthusiasts. >>They all suffered from the same problem: in quiet passages, you could >>easily here a faint, constant tone. >> >>Well, listening carefully, it sure enough was there. A quick measure >>of the S/N ration revealed that the decks easily met there published >>signal to noise specification, but the character of the noise was such >>that the 550 was easily more obnoxious sounding than other decks that >>were obsensibly noisier (and this reveals but on why myself and JJ and >>others state that simple S/N ratio specs are useless). >> >>I then proceeded to measure the noise output using an HP narrow-band >>(about 3 Hz wide) spectrum analyzer. Overall, the noise floor showed >>precisely the characteristic I would expect of a cassette deck, >>EXCEPT, at 400 Hz, there was HUGE peak in the spectrum. Bingo: we had >>easily caught on verifiable measurement what was equally easily heard >>in the field. The 400 Hz anomoly dominated the noise spectrum >> >>Careful review of the schematic and signal tracing of all the returned >>units revealed what the problem was. 400 Hz is precisely the same >>frequency as the Dolby calibration oscillator. Unlike EVERY OTHER DECK >>around, the Nakamichi 550 DID NOT turn off the oscillator while it was >>not in use, they simply disconnected it from the record inputs. As >>long as the power was on, it sat there oscillating away, with signal >>spewing all over the insides of the machine. And it's physical >>proximity to the mic preamps and the complete lack of power supply >>decoupling assured that this problem would happen. >> >>I called Nakamichi and described the problem to them. They showed not >>the least bit interest in hearing about the problem. I provided them >>with letters from the customers, the spectral analysis of the problem, >>I even went so far as to providing them with a method of retrofitting >>the calibration oscillator switch so that it would turn the oscillator >>off (which, experimentally, completely cured the problem). >> >>Nakamich was simply unwilling to even acknowledge that the oscillator >>was a problem. Yes, they admitted, the oscillator runs all the time. >>Yes, they admitted, the tone was easily audible on recordings. Yes, >>they admitted, the oscillator should be turned off. >> >>But, since the total of the noise+400 tone was below their published >>noise spec (just barely), they were under no circumstances going to >>provide ANY relief to the customers. They simply said, "It meets spec, >>there is no problem." >> >>Clearly, since Nakamichi was promoting the deck as a remote, semi- pro >>and professional recording machine, and the presence of the tone made >>even moderate quality recordings impossible, they were misleading the >>buying public (this MIGHT be an opinion, but it happened to be the >>opinion of the Massachusetts Attorney General's Office). The product >>thus, legally speaking, fell under the heading of a product that >>failed its implied warranty of fitness for intended purpose. >> >>Nakamichi absolutely refused to budge. They provided no relief of ANY >>kind to dealers or customers. They stood their ground, simply saying >>that it met the noise spec, therefore they had no obligation to fix >>them. And despite Nakamichi's stance, every 550 just continued to >>whistle on its merry way. >> >>To keep our customers happy, I had to modify each and every 550 we had >>sold. Because Nakamichi refused to acknowledge that a whistling >>cassette deck is a problem, we had to swallow all the costs necessary >>to meet the legal requirements of selling the machine as a semi-pro >>recording deck. The modification took about 2 hours and about $10 in >>parts per machine, and, as far as Nakamichi was concerned, the decks, >>once modified, were no longer under warranty, so if something >>subsequently let go due to a manufacturing defect (and, as it turns >>out, they used a VERY cheap set of electrolytics in the record amp and >>bias oscillator, and these had a high propensity to failure), >>Nakamichi simply refused to even look at the problem. >> >>We could not afford to support a machine that was defective by design >>that, once corrected, was no longer supported by the factory. >> >>This is just ONE example of the problems we encountered with the >>product line. We had capstan bearings go bad in Nakamichi 1000's, >>stuck meters in Nak 600's, power supply failure in Nak 300's, cracking >>reel clutches in 500's. And on and on and on. >> >>The Advent 200 deck was a debacle. The transport, manufactured by >>Nakamichi, was just a reliability disaster that Advent recalled the >>bunch of them. Advent ended up eating them all, Nakamichi refused to >>take the defective hardware back again. >> >>Nakamichi claimed the 1000 was as good as and better than professional >>reel-to-reel decks. They stated this as a matter of record in their >>advertising. Yet the frequency response, signal to noise, wow and >>flutter, modulation noise, and so on, was far better in a Revox A-77 >>WITHOUT DOLBY than in a tweaked NAK 1000 was WITH DOLBY. The audible >>comparison wasn't even close. To make matters worse, new Revox A-77's >>could be had for a little cheaper than NAK 1000's, were FAR more >>reliable, had better warranty support, were more rugged and so on. >> >>If you believe that the ultimate in high-fidelity is severely >>compressed high end, poor frequency response, monstrous ripples in the >>low end frequency response, huge amounts of modulation noise, the >>pumping of dobly B, dropouts galor, then clearly Nakamichi did push >>the cassette very far as a hi-fi medium. >> >>Unfortunately, Nakamichi could never make a silk purse out of a sow's >>butt. Combine that with their poor dealer and customer support, their >>arrogance towards there customers, be they OEM or retail, and I, for >>one, am hardly sorry to see their passing. >> >> >> > >I am sorry to say I concur. I have have had nothing but bad >experiences with Nakamichi's so called Customer Service and >Parts. Patty is hardly ever by her phone, and she positively >does NOT return calls. Last time, I had to call again and again, >for over a week, until I was actually blessed with the sound >of her voice. When I asked for technical information (Service >Bulletin for a CR-7), these schmucks (all the way up to the >Service Manager) flatly refused (I finally got it -- thanks >again, Stephen). > >I don't have to mention Nakamichi's rip-off prices -- the CR-7 >cassette backlight (a single 'grain of wheat' bulb) cost me >$13.12, including shipping and their delicate handling. OTOH, >when I ordered a panel light bulb from ReVox, they said it was >too little money to justify cutting a bill and sent it to me >gratis. > >That said, I am now on my third Nakamichi cassette deck. Nak >products were amazingly good at what they do and were fairly >reliable (not the best, but way better than average). I have >never opened up a Nak that I don't own, but did repair ReVox >stuff for a living and can truthfully say that their >reliability isn't that much better than Nak's. In short, I >think the big difference is not in the product quality, but >what the Nak customer attitude has become. > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 11 14:19:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:19:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001701c240ea$eac4dbd0$1cdbe343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D565636.CCF0A04D@rcn.com> I figured as much when I read your first post... I wonder, how can you justify asking $1000 for an $80 item? -- Ron zsoph wrote: > > You are not very good at math. I justed listed 6 NOS Nak remotes with > 1000.00 as opening bid. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > Zsoph > > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > > of gear in the room! > > > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City > for > > >your Nak remote. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Roland Alford" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > reading > > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > > >> > > >> > > >YOUR > > > > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > > >> > > >> > > >that > > > > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > >> > > >>Roland > > >> > > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 11 16:11:29 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:11:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] zxl problems & tips Message-ID: <000f01c24142$930aca00$81299bca@smarzuki> A weird 700 zxl problem observed: can't finish adjustment process, changing tape type doesn't reset the process, wrong lamps flashing at wrong times etc etc ... after only 10 nights (and uncountable parts change) i've been able to pinpoint the problem: the bulb on tape memory "D" is blown ........ grrrrrr, another nakamichi bulb wonder ala 58x. Replaced the bulb, voila ! everything normal, put on the 'front eschuteon', power on ... now 'level' bulb went off. Re-open panel, replaced level bulb, put panel back .... surprise!! 'ex' bulb went out. Tips: replace all 12V bulbs (or for that matter, all play ff rew etc & a/b/l/e bulbs) when you have the front panel off. Dont forget to check the service manual ! as nak cleverly intermix 6V and 12V bulbs all over the place. As the story goes, i stacked the deck on top of 1000, another zxl. Once i bumped the bottom deck a bit too hard after which it refused to go into 'play' mode, while all other functions work fine .... bulb (first thing in mind !) was okay, hrmpfff. Luckily this time it only took 2 nights for me to find a dead 4012 logic chip. Put the damn thing back, and then the meter happily light all segments from -40 to +10 whenever a tape's playing. Tired, sleepy but angry, i replaced all logic chips inside meter housing, and of course it worked. Tips: not sure, except never bump your deck too hard. =) (theme song: 'never give up on a good thing') Cheers, Salim SM (no Graham, tape 2 is not with me yet). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Aug 11 17:20:59 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:20:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... References: <001a01c23734$bd246020$b5199bca@smarzuki> <3D52CB8D.3840CA60@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002c01c2414a$b94cf910$28312ac4@CopyTech> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] light reading: one bad nakamichi ... In short, I > think the big difference is not in the product quality, but > what the Nak customer attitude has become. > > -- Ron Right On Brother!, that's just what I meant the other day. Carlos > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Aug 11 17:23:04 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:23:04 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed References: <000701c24023$09cc1d40$e1843a41@compaq> <3D55E62E.6AE21CD1@snet.net> Message-ID: <003a01c2414b$03336e10$28312ac4@CopyTech> There it goes, good uncle Ed to the rescue again. Hey Ed; do you still working in Pro Audio ? Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Noyes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Woofer Surrounds Needed I've done many surrounds over the years and use New Foam Speaker Place in New York almost exclusively. The number is 800-NewFoam. Right now I have a lot of 8" surrounds on hand and would be happy to send you a pair free. Contact me off list if you'd like them. Ed bigbear69 wrote: I have purchased a 1981 pair of Bose 601 Series II speakers at a price I could not pass. However the foam surrounds need to be replaced on the 8 inch woofers. Can someone tell me where's the best place to purchase a foam surround repair kit?Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 11 16:41:23 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:41:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <01C24125.6AE3BAE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <003101c24145$2ae08020$81299bca@smarzuki> Maybe his stereo consists of $2000 remotes. But still, using 2000/50 remote scale, he has an extra $250m ... hm, no wonder most people are getting poorer by the day. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:43 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay (I noticed that but can't understand it ... I mean, I could understand $2m or maybe even $10m, but why $650m? How's he gonna manage to spend it all?! There ain't enough time in the day!) -----Original Message----- From: zsoph [SMTP:zsoph at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:47 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: NELSONH at aol.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay One of those Enron guys made off with 650 million. He could afford the remotes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" mdewire at ameritech.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Aug 11 17:31:50 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:31:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> Hey John: Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Zsoph > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > of gear in the room! > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > zsoph wrote: > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City for > >your Nak remote. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Roland Alford" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am reading > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > >> > >> > >YOUR > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > >> > >> > >that > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > >> > >>Roland > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From eddy.pollet at pandora.be Sun Aug 11 16:41:56 2002 From: eddy.pollet at pandora.be (POLLET Eddy) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:41:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape2 In-Reply-To: <200208111314.PAA22207@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: Hi all, and especially Graham, as far as I know, I'm next on the list for the Marathon tape, but I didn't receive it yet . Since I'll be leaving on holiday next Friday, with post offices closed here in Belgium on the 15th, I propose to move me further down the list, to avoid any furthere delays . Thanks, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 11 17:21:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 22:21:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] an unrelated question References: Message-ID: <000401c2414b$2fa21820$60299bca@smarzuki> Hi Pradeep, if i remember correctly, your MR has a cam control motor problem. You would need to open the mecha block and clean the upper right motor's brushes. It drives the cam and various 'stage' switches - hopefully a contact cleaner spray will do the job from the outside. I'd suggest you find a replacement motor (quite cheap) before prying open consisting one and damage it. Not sure about your LX3 jam problem, but there's an LX5 and 480 serice manuals on site (dejavu format), probably you can draw similarities from mechanism's schematics. If it doesn't record and erase - without any jamming, then the regular orange caps on bias circuit can be one of the problem. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Pradeep Sarin To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Bose mid/woofer replacement and an unrelated question hi for the person looking for replacement of the bose 601 woofers, layne of layne audio has them for $49 each (apparently foam rot is a common bose malaise). the url is http://layneaudio.hypermart.net no personal affililation etc, i've bought some speaker parts from him before and knew that he sells bose/advent/ar driver replacements (the oem units) so i thought i'd pass the information along. in a completely unrelated question, does anyone know of a source for service manuals for MR-1 and LX-3 decks? i have one of each that needs servicing: the MR-1 (with gear update) doesn't function at all - the head assembly doesn't even move up to the tape when a tape is inserted. it got to this stage in a fairly intermittent fashion: it wouldn't play occasionally but ffd/rew worked, and now nothing works. the LX-3 (i love it!) plays fine but does not record - if i hit record, all the internal gears get jammed up and i have to literally open the deck and disengage a few of the gears to get it to reset. sending it in for service is not really an option for me (student budget - these decks were basically thrift store luck shining) but i'm quite handy with screw-drivers and a soldering iron, so any advice would be greatly appreciated! cheers - pradeep ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 11 17:14:36 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:14:36 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape2 Message-ID: <01C24152.3C43DF80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Hi Eddy Yup, it looks that way's best. Guys, note revised order is now: Fred Moss Jim Simpson (Dr Deaf) Nicholas Gornostayev Marc Hugo Neal Walker Salim Marzuki Tom Siomopoulos Ezio Lucenti Eddy Pollet Carlos J. Guzman Copied to you, Bleus, for your record on the web site. Cheers Graham -----Original Message----- From: POLLET Eddy [SMTP:] Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape2 Hi all, and especially Graham, as far as I know, I'm next on the list for the Marathon tape, but I didn't receive it yet . Since I'll be leaving on holiday next Friday, with post offices closed here in Belgium on the 15th, I propose to move me further down the list, to avoid any furthere delays . Thanks, Eddy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From zsoph at earthlink.net Sun Aug 11 17:52:09 2002 From: zsoph at earthlink.net (zsoph) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001701c240ea$eac4dbd0$1cdbe343@hummingbird> <3D560E54.9030506@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001501c2414f$0d9c8ae0$cdd4e343@hummingbird> Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > OK,OK we are talking about two separate auctions: all of the original > posts on Naktalk were about eBay auction 1372374541 where the starting > price was USD1000*each*. This is the first mention on this list that > you, completely indepent of the first auction, are selling a lot of 6 > Nak remotes in auction 1372716228, and that you are asking a more > reasonable USD166.67 each for a total price of USD1000 (math OK there?). > The misunderstanding is, I think, very understandable, but maybe you > should have checked the auction number (and the different quantity) in > my original post first. > > I still would not pay anything like a thousand bucks even for 6 of > these things. But one of my fellow 'Naktalk guys' might just have deep > enough pockets. Let us watch with interest. > > John (not psychic, but pretty bloody good at mathematics, actually) > > zsoph wrote: > > >You are not very good at math. I justed listed 6 NOS Nak remotes with > >1000.00 as opening bid. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Walker" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:05 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > >>Zsoph > >>For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > >> will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > >>from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > >>rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > >>be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > >>and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > >>to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > >>Would you pay US$1000 for one? > >> > >>Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > >>controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > >>remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > >>the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > >>any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > >>you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > >>of gear in the room! > >> > >>John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > >> > >>zsoph wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City > >>> > >>> > >for > > > > > >>>your Nak remote. > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Roland Alford" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > >>>> > >>>> > >reading > > > > > >>>>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>YOUR > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>that > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > >>>> > >>>>Roland > >>>> > >>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >> > >> > >= > > > > > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>resource. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >> > >> > >= > > > > > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >> > >> > >======== > > > > > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> > >>> > >resource. > > > > > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = > >> > >> > >======== > > > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = > >======= > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 11 18:29:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> Carlos, I bet that you can build a remote yourself... For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic from the service manual. IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the transmitter must match the built in receiver. But some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be connected to the wired remote input on the deck. -- Ron El Magnifico wrote: > > Hey John: > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > ! > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > Zsoph > > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > > of gear in the room! > > > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City > for > > >your Nak remote. > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Roland Alford" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > reading > > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > > >> > > >> > > >YOUR > > > > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > > >> > > >> > > >that > > > > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > >> > > >>Roland > > >> > > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 11 18:43:23 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 12:43:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001701c240ea$eac4dbd0$1cdbe343@hummingbird> <3D560E54.9030506@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <001501c2414f$0d9c8ae0$cdd4e343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D56942B.5700A8F7@rcn.com> You can even put 'Nakamichi' across the top. At that point, they will be identical to the Nak remotes, but -- with all new parts -- of much higher reliability. -- Ron zsoph wrote: > > Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, Shack for > your parts and making several of them. I hope they work and don't forget to > put the word "professional" on them. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > OK,OK we are talking about two separate auctions: all of the original > > posts on Naktalk were about eBay auction 1372374541 where the starting > > price was USD1000*each*. This is the first mention on this list that > > you, completely indepent of the first auction, are selling a lot of 6 > > Nak remotes in auction 1372716228, and that you are asking a more > > reasonable USD166.67 each for a total price of USD1000 (math OK there?). > > The misunderstanding is, I think, very understandable, but maybe you > > should have checked the auction number (and the different quantity) in > > my original post first. > > > > I still would not pay anything like a thousand bucks even for 6 of > > these things. But one of my fellow 'Naktalk guys' might just have deep > > enough pockets. Let us watch with interest. > > > > John (not psychic, but pretty bloody good at mathematics, actually) > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > >You are not very good at math. I justed listed 6 NOS Nak remotes with > > >1000.00 as opening bid. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "John Walker" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 4:05 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Zsoph > > >>For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > > >> will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > > >>from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > > >>rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > > >>be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > > >>and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > > >>to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > > >>Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > >> > > >>Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > > >>controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > > >>remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > > >>the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > > >>any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > > >>you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > > >>of gear in the room! > > >> > > >>John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > >> > > >>zsoph wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit > City > > >>> > > >>> > > >for > > > > > > > > >>>your Nak remote. > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: "Roland Alford" > > >>>To: > > >>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >reading > > > > > > > > >>>>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION > with > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>YOUR > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>that > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > >>>> > > >>>>Roland > > >>>> > > >>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Aug 11 19:43:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:43:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002401c2415e$9bac8060$60299bca@smarzuki> Ron ... can you give any comment about what would be required to control newer nak stuff (only 1 mini phone remote jack) from older 8 pin remote ? I'm thinking of controlling nak cd player from ca7 preamp. Nak manual mentioned a 'serial to parallel' remote converter but that unit is very rare (uh oh ... $1500 converter =) and my guess it would only take a few logic chips. Any clue or reading links would be appreciated. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Carlos, I bet that you can build a remote yourself... For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic from the service manual. IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the transmitter must match the built in receiver. But some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be connected to the wired remote input on the deck. -- Ron El Magnifico wrote: > > Hey John: > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > ! > > Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 11 20:01:31 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 19:01:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D56A67B.4030303@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Seeing as all of us are computerised, I thought that the best solution would be PC based, using a simple interface board and a little bit of software that I would write (if I can remember how!). Even if I supplied the PCs, I think I could still make money if I charged a thousand bucks! John (failing to see where the first million dollars is gonna come from, but let's pursue it if you want!) El Magnifico wrote: >Hey John: > >Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > ! > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Walker" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > >>Zsoph >>For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that >> will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits >>from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch >>rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to >>be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads >>and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy >>to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? >>Would you pay US$1000 for one? >> >>Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote >>controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired >>remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about >>the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are >>any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless >>you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece >>of gear in the room! >> >>John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) >> >>zsoph wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City >>> >>> >for > > >>>your Nak remote. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Roland Alford" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am >>>> >>>> >reading > > >>>>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>YOUR >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>that >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. >>>> >>>>Roland >>>> >>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>>======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>resource. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>>======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >resource. > > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Sun Aug 11 20:52:50 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:52:50 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CD players Message-ID: <008401c24168$4e6bff60$c0251ec4@private> Salim,If you give me your facs no i can fax you diagram of particularly theCA7 to stereo mini cable in controller jack of Cd player.For the most simplest form where you dont want to do syncro recording you need the following;;8 PIN CD player remote cable ( this is different from a normal DIN 8 PIN cable but originally comes with aCA 7), a RC-1 remote signal converter,a SRC 2 stereo mini-phone cable .Walter Drewes -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Sunday, August 11, 2002 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Ron ... can you give any comment about what would be required to control newer nak stuff (only 1 mini phone remote jack) from older 8 pin remote ? I'm thinking of controlling nak cd player from ca7 preamp. Nak manual mentioned a 'serial to parallel' remote converter but that unit is very rare (uh oh ... $1500 converter =) and my guess it would only take a few logic chips. Any clue or reading links would be appreciated. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Carlos, I bet that you can build a remote yourself... For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic from the service manual. IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the transmitter must match the built in receiver. But some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be connected to the wired remote input on the deck. -- Ron El Magnifico wrote: > > Hey John: > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > ! > > Carlos > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Sun Aug 11 21:07:05 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 15:07:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Message-ID: <200208111507_MC3-1-ACE-F067@compuserve.com> Hi, Finally I had some time to care for my 700ZXE that was sitting in its box for a year now. There are couple small problems, but my main concern is that it cannot auto-calibrate for metal cassette. Normal and CrO2 seem to becalibrating fine, therefore I think the head alignment etc are pretty much OK. I have the service manual as well. Any suggestions where I can start to work on this problem? Could this be the "orange-cap disease"?? Thanks, _Fuad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 11 23:24:52 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:24:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D56A67B.4030303@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D56D624.E6BEE37F@rcn.com> Actually, high end universal remotes are just that -- miniaturized PCs. You can fashion a remote (not a very good one, though) from a Palm Pilot, the S/W is available. The Philips Pronto and Marantz RC-5000 and their various brothers are all dedicated PCs, complete with an addressable screen, an internal OS and an interface to a desktop Windows based PC. I own a Marantz RC-5000i and use is to control my CR-7A (I added On/Off control by adding an X-10 outlet -- the RC-5000 seamlessly controls all X-10 modules). The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Seeing as all of us are computerised, I thought that the best solution > would be PC based, using a simple interface board and a little bit of > software that I would write (if I can remember how!). Even if I supplied > the PCs, I think I could still make money if I charged a thousand bucks! > > John (failing to see where the first million dollars is gonna come from, > but let's pursue it if you want!) > > El Magnifico wrote: > > >Hey John: > > > >Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > > ! > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Walker" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > >>Zsoph > >>For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > >> will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > >>from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > >>rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > >>be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > >>and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > >>to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > >>Would you pay US$1000 for one? > >> > >>Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > >>controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > >>remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > >>the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > >>any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > >>you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > >>of gear in the room! > >> > >>John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > >> > >>zsoph wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City > >>> > >>> > >for > > > > > >>>your Nak remote. > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Roland Alford" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > >>>> > >>>> > >reading > > > > > >>>>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>YOUR > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>that > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > >>>> > >>>>Roland > >>>> > >>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Aug 11 23:36:06 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 14:36:06 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update Message-ID: So, where are we with M-Tape 1? I believe we have activities in/around Chicago, IL USA, and I'm wondering whether we have an update of contributor details/photos for the webpage. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:34:16 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, August 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2539 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:14:36 +0100 >From: Graham Nelson >Subject: RE: [naktalk] marathon tape2 > >Hi Eddy > >Yup, it looks that way's best. > >Guys, note revised order is now: > >Fred Moss >Jim Simpson (Dr Deaf) >Nicholas Gornostayev >Marc Hugo >Neal Walker >Salim Marzuki >Tom Siomopoulos >Ezio Lucenti >Eddy Pollet >Carlos J. Guzman > >Copied to you, Bleus, for your record on the web site. > >Cheers > >Graham > > >- -----Original Message----- >From: POLLET Eddy [SMTP:] >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape2 > >Hi all, and especially Graham, > >as far as I know, I'm next on the list for the Marathon tape, but I didn't >receive it yet . Since I'll be leaving on holiday next Friday, with post >offices closed here in Belgium on the 15th, I propose to move me further >down the list, to avoid any furthere delays . > >Thanks, > >Eddy > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2539 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 11 23:40:15 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:40:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <002401c2415e$9bac8060$60299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D56D9BF.FCD83735@rcn.com> Salim, I am not familiar with any Nak equipment except for the cassette decks. As to your question -- I am confused... If you wish to control a newer unit (input: mini jack) from an old remote (output: 8 pin DIN) you would need a 'parallel to serial' converter, not 'serial to parallel'. In all likelihood, they do this with an ASIC chip. The converter should not be expensive, but, since it's proprietary, they can charge for it whatever they feel like. If you can get a schematic of the Nak converter (and provided the chip(s) is/are available from Nak), it should be easy to price out a DIY copy. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron ... can you give any comment about what would be required to control > newer nak stuff (only 1 mini phone remote jack) from older 8 pin remote ? > I'm thinking of controlling nak cd player from ca7 preamp. Nak manual > mentioned a 'serial to parallel' remote converter but that unit is very rare > (uh oh ... $1500 converter =) and my guess it would only take a few logic > chips. Any clue or reading links would be appreciated. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Carlos, > > I bet that you can build a remote yourself... > > For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box > (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push > button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar > number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable > and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic > from the service manual. > > IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the > transmitter must match the built in receiver. But > some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for > about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability > to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a > round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be > connected to the wired remote input on the deck. > > -- Ron > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > Hey John: > > > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > > ! > > > > Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Aug 12 01:05:26 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:05:26 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002701c2418b$98079ad0$412f2ac4@CopyTech> Thanks Ron. I still have some of those wired controls for the Naks and 2 of those ugly Revox remotes. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Carlos, > > I bet that you can build a remote yourself... > > For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box > (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push > button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar > number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable > and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic > from the service manual. > > IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the > transmitter must match the built in receiver. But > some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for > about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability > to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a > round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be > connected to the wired remote input on the deck. > > -- Ron > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > Hey John: > > > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > > ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > Zsoph > > > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > > > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > > > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > > > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > > > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > > > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > > > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > > > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > > > > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > > > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > > > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > > > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > > > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > > > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > > > of gear in the room! > > > > > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City > > for > > > >your Nak remote. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Roland Alford" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > > reading > > > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > > > >> > > > >> > > > >YOUR > > > > > > > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > > > >> > > > >> > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > >> > > > >>Roland > > > >> > > > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update So, where are we with M-Tape 1? I believe we have activities in/around Chicago, IL USA, and I'm wondering whether we have an update of contributor details/photos for the webpage. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:34:16 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, August 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2539 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:14:36 +0100 >From: Graham Nelson >Subject: RE: [naktalk] marathon tape2 > >Hi Eddy > >Yup, it looks that way's best. > >Guys, note revised order is now: > >Fred Moss >Jim Simpson (Dr Deaf) >Nicholas Gornostayev >Marc Hugo >Neal Walker >Salim Marzuki >Tom Siomopoulos >Ezio Lucenti >Eddy Pollet >Carlos J. Guzman > >Copied to you, Bleus, for your record on the web site. > >Cheers > >Graham > > >- -----Original Message----- >From: POLLET Eddy [SMTP:] >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape2 > >Hi all, and especially Graham, > >as far as I know, I'm next on the list for the Marathon tape, but I didn't >receive it yet . Since I'll be leaving on holiday next Friday, with post >offices closed here in Belgium on the 15th, I propose to move me further >down the list, to avoid any furthere delays . > >Thanks, > >Eddy > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2539 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Aug 12 01:38:16 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:38:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update References: Message-ID: <000701c24190$2a9b1da0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Reply has been sent directly to Michael. After I'm done, where does the tape go from here? Back to Carlos? Thanx, Roland Alford ========================== K.J. I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. I need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great sounding music on this tape! Best, Michael ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Mon Aug 12 03:06:33 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:06:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay In-Reply-To: <3D56D624.E6BEE37F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> > The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system > is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at > all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little > like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > But it sure kills the flea! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 12 03:17:01 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:17:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CD players References: <008401c24168$4e6bff60$c0251ec4@private> Message-ID: <000b01c2419f$41a78ba0$d4299bca@smarzuki> Hi Walter, thank you very much for your help ! My fax number is (62-21) 315-5979. If somebody picks up the phone, just hang up and send again right afterwards. I will be in the office the whole day but have told everybody at home (kids, moms =) that a fax from a foreign speaking friend is coming. If you can only send one page then the RC-1 schematics itself would be more than appreciated ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CD players Salim,If you give me your facs no i can fax you diagram of particularly theCA7 to stereo mini cable in controller jack of Cd player.For the most simplest form where you dont want to do syncro recording you need the following;;8 PIN CD player remote cable ( this is different from a normal DIN 8 PIN cable but originally comes with aCA 7), a RC-1 remote signal converter,a SRC 2 stereo mini-phone cable .Walter Drewes -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 12 03:25:00 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 08:25:00 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <002401c2415e$9bac8060$60299bca@smarzuki> <3D56D9BF.FCD83735@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000c01c2419f$42f73d20$d4299bca@smarzuki> Um, i got it backwards .. that should be RC-4 parallel to serial converter. Yes, the cpu on Nak unit only label the port / pin from mini jack as "remote in", so i guess it's proprietary. I thought there's a 'universal' (right ...) coding scheme for a stop, play, ff signal etc, silly me. Thanks for the explanation ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay Salim, I am not familiar with any Nak equipment except for the cassette decks. As to your question -- I am confused... If you wish to control a newer unit (input: mini jack) from an old remote (output: 8 pin DIN) you would need a 'parallel to serial' converter, not 'serial to parallel'. In all likelihood, they do this with an ASIC chip. The converter should not be expensive, but, since it's proprietary, they can charge for it whatever they feel like. If you can get a schematic of the Nak converter (and provided the chip(s) is/are available from Nak), it should be easy to price out a DIY copy. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Aug 12 03:14:21 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 21:14:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay Message-ID: <008b01c2419d$a91b3a40$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> zsoph, On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on >them. For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other one) for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic auction listings. How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of models you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to buy them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a profit. I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the others. If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat reasonable. That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug that plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple contact closures: 1 = Stop 2 = Pause 3 = Play 4 = Fast Forward 5 = Rewind 6 = Record This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to each switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks for a soldering iron and solder. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I turned the ML system's bass to its highest setting and it didn't appear to make a difference. Now granted, to be fair maybe I didn't set something correctly. Maybe I rushed thought the touch screen options to fast and turned something off. But I was disappointed. Now, on the other had the Harman-Kardon system in the new Land Rover Discovery was simply superb! And, I know that Harmon-Kardon is not a well-liked name among audiophiles, but the system I heard was wonderful. No cassette player, so I used a CD. 12.1 and with it's eq settings flat it was excellent. Excellent speaker placement, just the right amount of bass, well balanced mids and highs. When I think of this system one word continues to come to mind - clean! Any thoughts? -Sam PS It's good to chat with you guys again... ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! 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I find our cassettes to be among the best in our field, but they contain hiss as we don't record using Dolby. Are there any problems duplicating at high speeds with Dolby? As always, thank you in advance for your help with this unique question. Be blessed! -Sam PS I don't recall the model of our duplicators, but I was told that they are the very best. They're Sony's and record at 32x's. I am also using the Tascam 122MK-III and regular duplication cassettes - if this helps... ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Mon Aug 12 05:04:40 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:04:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape Webpage (Update 6) Message-ID: Latest updates to the M-Tape webpage have been added. Roland, you'll send M-Tape 1 to Andy Dundis, in Nebraska. Roland and Andy should connect via this email. Merci..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:52:01 From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com (naktalk-digest) To: naktalk-digest at naks.com naktalk-digest Monday, August 12 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2542 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:24:33 -0500 From: "Michael E DeWire" Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update K.J. I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. I need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great sounding music on this tape! Best, Michael - -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of The BlueSwapper Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 4:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Cc: blueswapper at angelfire.com Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update So, where are we with M-Tape 1? I believe we have activities in/around Chicago, IL USA, and I'm wondering whether we have an update of contributor details/photos for the webpage. K.J. Bleus - --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:34:16 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Sunday, August 11 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2539 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:14:36 +0100 >From: Graham Nelson >Subject: RE: [naktalk] marathon tape2 > >Hi Eddy > >Yup, it looks that way's best. > >Guys, note revised order is now: > >Fred Moss >Jim Simpson (Dr Deaf) >Nicholas Gornostayev >Marc Hugo >Neal Walker >Salim Marzuki >Tom Siomopoulos >Ezio Lucenti >Eddy Pollet >Carlos J. Guzman > >Copied to you, Bleus, for your record on the web site. > >Cheers > >Graham > > >- -----Original Message----- >From: POLLET Eddy [SMTP:] >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:42 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: [naktalk] marathon tape2 > >Hi all, and especially Graham, > >as far as I know, I'm next on the list for the Marathon tape, but I didn't >receive it yet . Since I'll be leaving on holiday next Friday, with post >offices closed here in Belgium on the 15th, I propose to move me further >down the list, to avoid any furthere delays . > >Thanks, > >Eddy > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2539 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 16:38:16 -0700 From: "Roland Alford" Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update Reply has been sent directly to Michael. After I'm done, where does the tape go from here? Back to Carlos? Thanx, Roland Alford ========================== K.J. I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. I need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great sounding music on this tape! Best, Michael ------------------------------ End of naktalk-digest V2 #2542 ****************************** --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Mon Aug 12 05:16:59 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 05:16:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CDplayers Message-ID: <002801c241ae$bc243680$291d07c4@private> Salim ,unfortunately it wont be to day.I am flying to Cape Town Yust now.I'ii be back to night late.You will pse have to wait till tomorrow Walter ( 5.15 am RSA time) -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CDplayers Hi Walter, thank you very much for your help ! My fax number is (62-21) 315-5979. If somebody picks up the phone, just hang up and send again right afterwards. I will be in the office the whole day but have told everybody at home (kids, moms =) that a fax from a foreign speaking friend is coming. If you can only send one page then the RC-1 schematics itself would be more than appreciated ! Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:52 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CD players Salim,If you give me your facs no i can fax you diagram of particularly theCA7 to stereo mini cable in controller jack of Cd player.For the most simplest form where you dont want to do syncro recording you need the following;;8 PIN CD player remote cable ( this is different from a normal DIN 8 PIN cable but originally comes with aCA 7), a RC-1 remote signal converter,a SRC 2 stereo mini-phone cable .Walter Drewes -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki To: naktalk at naks.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 12 05:38:10 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:38:10 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Message-ID: <3222eb31f5c7.31f5c73222eb@indosat.net.id> Hi Fuad, try to calibrate the ZX type manually by shorting pins 1/2 on auto calib board (or 3/4? i forgot - consult the manual). Feed 400hz tone, adjust level and feed 15khz -20db to adjust bias, just like the electrical adjustment on service manual. Hopefully it works. Record internal 400hz tone on EX/SX type and monitor the result, if it sounds 'clean', no static, no sudden level drops, then you don't need to replace the oranges (yet). Good luck, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Date: Monday, August 12, 2002 2:07 am Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > Hi, > Finally I had some time to care for my 700ZXE that was sitting in > its box > for a year now. There are couple small problems, but my main > concern is > that it cannot auto-calibrate for metal cassette. Normal and CrO2 > seem to > becalibrating fine, therefore I think the head alignment etc are > prettymuch OK. I have the service manual as well. Any suggestions > where I can > start to work on this problem? > Could this be the "orange-cap disease"?? > Thanks, > _Fuad ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Mon Aug 12 06:37:32 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 00:37:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update References: <000701c24190$2a9b1da0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D573B76.BED132F2@snet.net> If there's any room at the end I'd love to make a musical contribution... any chance of getting into the mix so to speak? Ed Roland Alford wrote: > Reply has been sent directly to Michael. After I'm done, where does the > tape go from here? Back to Carlos? > > Thanx, > Roland Alford > > ========================== > > K.J. > > I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my > recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. I > need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I > can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great sounding > music on this tape! > > Best, > > Michael > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 12 07:08:27 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:08:27 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update Message-ID: <01C241C6.BCAED660.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Ed If there is no room on the Tape 1, I can get you on Tape 2 ... but it's trundling along rather slowly at the mo'! Seems not to have left the UK yet ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:38 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update If there's any room at the end I'd love to make a musical contribution... any chance of getting into the mix so to speak? Ed Roland Alford wrote: > Reply has been sent directly to Michael. After I'm done, where does the > tape go from here? Back to Carlos? > > Thanx, > Roland Alford > > ========================== > > K.J. > > I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my > recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. I > need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I > can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great sounding > music on this tape! > > Best, > > Michael > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Aug 12 07:23:24 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:23:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D56A67B.4030303@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D56D624.E6BEE37F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D57464C.4050805@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron Absolutely right. I was being ironic. However, having a computer at the heart of your system is definitely the direction to go because it offers tremendous flexibility (programmability) and the availability of built-in channels such as RS232, IR, USB and FireWire which can easily be adapted to route both control and data (audio) signals. I am considering building such a beast, but I am too far off retirement at the moment to have the time! John (with an open C++ book on his desk) Portland UK Ron wrote: >Actually, high end universal remotes are just >that -- miniaturized PCs. You can fashion a remote (not a >very good one, though) from a Palm Pilot, the S/W is >available. The Philips Pronto and Marantz RC-5000 and >their various brothers are all dedicated PCs, complete >with an addressable screen, an internal OS and an interface >to a desktop Windows based PC. I own a Marantz RC-5000i and >use is to control my CR-7A (I added On/Off control by adding >an X-10 outlet -- the RC-5000 seamlessly controls all X-10 >modules). > >The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system >is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at >all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little >like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > >-- Ron > > >John Walker wrote: > > >>Seeing as all of us are computerised, I thought that the best solution >>would be PC based, using a simple interface board and a little bit of >>software that I would write (if I can remember how!). Even if I supplied >>the PCs, I think I could still make money if I charged a thousand bucks! >> >>John (failing to see where the first million dollars is gonna come from, >>but let's pursue it if you want!) >> >>El Magnifico wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hey John: >>> >>>Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? >>> ! >>> >>>Carlos >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "John Walker" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Zsoph >>>>For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that >>>>will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits >>>> >>>> >>>>from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch >>> >>> >>>>rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to >>>>be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads >>>>and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy >>>>to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? >>>>Would you pay US$1000 for one? >>>> >>>>Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote >>>>controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired >>>>remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about >>>>the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are >>>>any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless >>>>you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece >>>>of gear in the room! >>>> >>>>John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) >>>> >>>>zsoph wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>for >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>your Nak remote. >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Roland Alford" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>reading >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>YOUR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. >>>>>> >>>>>>Roland >>>>>> >>>>>>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 >>>>>> >>>>>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Aug 12 07:26:49 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:26:49 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> Message-ID: <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Not if the flea can move faster than you can whilst carrying the hammer. Especially if it can get out of the range of the hose! John (must be some kind of engineer in here somewhere) Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: >>The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system >>is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at >>all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little >>like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... >> >> >> > >But it sure kills the flea! > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > >An armed society is a polite society. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Mon Aug 12 10:34:31 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 04:34:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2544 Message-ID: <200208120434_MC3-1-A77-2DB0@compuserve.com> Salim, thanks for the advice. At home the only tool that I have is a voltmeter. I'll try to get access to a signal generator and an oscilloscope later. I started to think maybe it is a simpler problem, such as corrosion on the tape selector switch. Because the dolby switch and the test-tone switch definitely need cleaning. The recorded internal 400Hz sounds OK on EX and SX tapes. _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:38:10 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Hi Fuad, try to calibrate the ZX type manually by shorting pins 1/2 on auto calib board (or 3/4? i forgot - consult the manual). Feed 400hz tone, adjust level and feed 15khz -20db to adjust bias, just like the electrical adjustment on service manual. Hopefully it works. Record internal 400hz tone on EX/SX type and monitor the result, if it sounds 'clean', no static, no sudden level drops, then you don't need to replace the oranges (yet). Good luck, Salim SM < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 12 11:20:29 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:20:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2544 Message-ID: <340d7d345765.345765340d7d@indosat.net.id> Fuad, if dirt is the problem, flick the switch several times and the auto calib should be working although with intermittent success. If you decide to go for manual adjustment, your pc with sound editing software could serve as a cost effective signal generator ... just remember original trimpot positions (using marker) in case things got worse. With no oscilloscope or analyzer you can use 700's LED meter as a good approximation to adjust the 400hz level at 0db and adjust 15khz bias at -20db: try to match input and output, i.e. tape / source. More details in the service manual. =) Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Date: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:34 pm Subject: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2544 > Salim, thanks for the advice. At home the only tool that I have is a > voltmeter. I'll try to get access to a signal generator and an > oscilloscopelater. > > I started to think maybe it is a simpler problem, such as > corrosion on the > tape selector switch. Because the dolby switch and the test-tone > switchdefinitely need cleaning. > The recorded internal 400Hz sounds OK on EX and SX tapes. > > _Fuad > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:38:10 +0700 > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Aug 12 12:16:09 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:16:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem References: <200208111507_MC3-1-ACE-F067@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <003501c241e9$483e8f00$2e3442cf@sank2> Your problem could actually be orange cap disease, as the bloody things can fail at certain stress levels(e.g. higher bias signal) and then be fine when the level is lower again. But it could also be as simple as a worn capstan belt, which can often cause tape skewing on some tape types & be fine on others. Or it could simply be a bit too far off primary calibration for metal bias. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com> To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > Hi, > Finally I had some time to care for my 700ZXE that was sitting in its box > for a year now. There are couple small problems, but my main concern is > that it cannot auto-calibrate for metal cassette. Normal and CrO2 seem to > becalibrating fine, therefore I think the head alignment etc are pretty > much OK. I have the service manual as well. Any suggestions where I can > start to work on this problem? > Could this be the "orange-cap disease"?? > Thanks, > _Fuad > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 12 16:10:39 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:10:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> The flea should count itself lucky for getting swatted by such a high end method (which proves, once again, that metaphors, when carried too far, can defeat their own purpose). -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > Not if the flea can move faster than you can whilst carrying the hammer. > Especially if it can get out of the range of the hose! > > John (must be some kind of engineer in here somewhere) > > Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: > > >>The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system > >>is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at > >>all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little > >>like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > >> > >> > >> > > > >But it sure kills the flea! > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Mon Aug 12 16:31:52 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:31:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000b01c2420d$006ff320$13945dd5@jannis> Talking about remote controls, I am in search for the cordless RM-7C, do you people know where I can find one? Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > > The flea should count itself lucky for getting swatted > by such a high end method (which proves, once again, > that metaphors, when carried too far, can defeat their > own purpose). > > -- Ron > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > Not if the flea can move faster than you can whilst carrying the hammer. > > Especially if it can get out of the range of the hose! > > > > John (must be some kind of engineer in here somewhere) > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: > > > > >>The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system > > >>is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at > > >>all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little > > >>like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >But it sure kills the flea! > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 12 17:13:12 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 11:13:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> <000b01c2420d$006ff320$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D57D088.F610A126@rcn.com> The fellow that sold me my CR-7 had lost the remote and so, bought me a brand new one. At the time it was available from Nakamichi, Torrance, CA, for $85. Try to see if they still have it, or you can have mine for $1000 plus $99.99 S/H :-). Alternately, I'll be happy to provide the CR-7 panel layout and codes (CCF file) for the Marantz RC-5000 remote. Another possibility is an after market remote that can be built for about $100 (won't be as elegant, but quite functional). -- Ron Jannis wrote: > > Talking about remote controls, I am in search for the cordless RM-7C, do > you people know where I can find one? > > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > The flea should count itself lucky for getting swatted > > by such a high end method (which proves, once again, > > that metaphors, when carried too far, can defeat their > > own purpose). > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > > > Not if the flea can move faster than you can whilst carrying the hammer. > > > Especially if it can get out of the range of the hose! > > > > > > John (must be some kind of engineer in here somewhere) > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: > > > > > > >>The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system > > > >>is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at > > > >>all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little > > > >>like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >But it sure kills the flea! > > > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > >An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Mon Aug 12 18:16:44 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:16:44 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> <000b01c2420d$006ff320$13945dd5@jannis> <3D57D088.F610A126@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000e01c2421b$a959cca0$13945dd5@jannis> Thanks Ron, If I can find the address I will try to see whether NAK, Torrance, CA has got one. Nakamichi in Holland does not have them any longer. Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > > The fellow that sold me my CR-7 had lost the remote > and so, bought me a brand new one. At the time it > was available from Nakamichi, Torrance, CA, for $85. > Try to see if they still have it, or you can have > mine for $1000 plus $99.99 S/H :-). > > Alternately, I'll be happy to provide the CR-7 > panel layout and codes (CCF file) for the Marantz > RC-5000 remote. Another possibility is an after > market remote that can be built for about $100 > (won't be as elegant, but quite functional). > > -- Ron > > > Jannis wrote: > > > > Talking about remote controls, I am in search for the cordless RM-7C, do > > you people know where I can find one? > > > > Jannis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > The flea should count itself lucky for getting swatted > > > by such a high end method (which proves, once again, > > > that metaphors, when carried too far, can defeat their > > > own purpose). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > > > > > Not if the flea can move faster than you can whilst carrying the hammer. > > > > Especially if it can get out of the range of the hose! > > > > > > > > John (must be some kind of engineer in here somewhere) > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: > > > > > > > > >>The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system > > > > >>is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at > > > > >>all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little > > > > >>like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >But it sure kills the flea! > > > > > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Mon Aug 12 18:28:36 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 09:28:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> <000b01c2420d$006ff320$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <000601c2421d$4ed54640$3db5b742@pii366custom> Jannis, I have a Nakamichi RM-7C that I will be putting on E-bay in the next day or so. I'll send you a link to the auction when it's started. Unlike other auctions, price will start at $.0.01, not $1000.00! Goes to the highest bidder. Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Mon Aug 12 19:04:23 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:04:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> <000b01c2420d$006ff320$13945dd5@jannis> <000601c2421d$4ed54640$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001201c24222$518e3270$13945dd5@jannis> Ok thanx Roland I will be looking forwarsd to it Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > Jannis, > > I have a Nakamichi RM-7C that I will be putting on E-bay in the next day or > so. I'll send you a link to the auction when it's started. Unlike other > auctions, price will start at $.0.01, not $1000.00! Goes to the highest > bidder. > > Thanx, > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Aug 12 19:26:54 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:26:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update Message-ID: <3D62C399@mail.totalise.co.uk> >Hello Graham, I turned the tape round within two days and sent it on by Reg post! Fred ===== Original Message From Graham Nelson ===== >Ed > >If there is no room on the Tape 1, I can get you on Tape 2 ... but it's >trundling along rather slowly at the mo'! Seems not to have left the UK >yet ... > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:38 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update > >If there's any room at the end I'd love to make a musical contribution... >any chance >of getting into the mix so to speak? > >Ed > >Roland Alford wrote: > >> Reply has been sent directly to Michael. After I'm done, where does the >> tape go from here? Back to Carlos? >> >> Thanx, >> Roland Alford >> >> ========================== >> >> K.J. >> >> I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my >> recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. >I >> need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I >> can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great >sounding >> music on this tape! >> >> Best, >> >> Michael >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Mon Aug 12 19:45:01 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 12:45:01 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape1 Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0B5@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Nak'rs, guess i'll be receiving M-tape1 before too long. question tho.....no DNR? is this because duplicates are going to be made? is this proper protocall for making a 'master' tape (so the copies can be made using Dolby)? all comments & opinions welcome. Roland, my mailing address is...PO Box 184 - Washington, Ne 68068 regards all, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 12 19:52:54 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:52:54 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Tweeter Protectors Message-ID: <01C24231.81ECB680.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Anyone have any experience of these things? Just won a pair of Yamaha's protectors on e-Bay at a good price. Not sure if I want to use them ... but given my pre-amp's capacity for killing even tweeters on a NS1000 and my own cack-handedness, I'm thinking it just might be a sensible precaution all the same! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 12 19:49:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:49:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update Message-ID: <01C24231.801844A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Cheers Fred ... so the tape is languishing somewhere in the Peak District. Doctor Deaf, can yer hear me!!! Where's the tape, then??? (Bit of a wasted shout given he's called Doctor Deaf, I suppose ....) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: FRED MOSS [SMTP:fredmoss at totalise.co.uk] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 6:27 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update >Hello Graham, I turned the tape round within two days and sent it on by Reg post! Fred ===== Original Message From Graham Nelson ===== >Ed > >If there is no room on the Tape 1, I can get you on Tape 2 ... but it's >trundling along rather slowly at the mo'! Seems not to have left the UK >yet ... > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ed Noyes [SMTP:enoyes at snet.net] >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:38 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: NakTalk M-Tape Status Update > >If there's any room at the end I'd love to make a musical contribution... >any chance >of getting into the mix so to speak? > >Ed > >Roland Alford wrote: > >> Reply has been sent directly to Michael. After I'm done, where does the >> tape go from here? Back to Carlos? >> >> Thanx, >> Roland Alford >> >> ========================== >> >> K.J. >> >> I just received the M1-tape on Saturday August 10th, I plan to make my >> recording on Monday and ship the tape on to the next in line by Tuesday. >I >> need both the email and postal address of Roland Alford in Vancouver so I >> can contact him and confirm shipment. Man there is a lot of great >sounding >> music on this tape! >> >> Best, >> >> Michael >> >> >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========---------------------------------------------------------------- >--========= >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From zsoph at earthlink.net Tue Aug 13 02:51:46 2002 From: zsoph at earthlink.net (zsoph) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay References: <008b01c2419d$a91b3a40$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <002001c24263$9ca91f40$61d4e343@hummingbird> I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not changed. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "NakTalk" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > zsoph, > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > >them. > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other one) > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > auction listings. > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of models > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to buy > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a profit. > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the others. > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > reasonable. > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug that > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > contact closures: > > 1 = Stop > 2 = Pause > 3 = Play > 4 = Fast Forward > 5 = Rewind > 6 = Record > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to each > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks for > a soldering iron and solder. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From sambarr at netzero.net Tue Aug 13 03:15:09 2002 From: sambarr at netzero.net (samuelbarr@hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:15:09 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status References: Message-ID: Hi All, How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? -Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael E DeWire" To: "NakTalk" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > Michael > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 13 03:26:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:26:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay References: <008b01c2419d$a91b3a40$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <002001c24263$9ca91f40$61d4e343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D586047.70144CB5@rcn.com> All us cry babies wish you better luck on your other email lists. -- Ron zsoph wrote: > > I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch > of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not > changed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > zsoph, > > > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: > > > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > > >them. > > > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, > > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on > > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other > one) > > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > > auction listings. > > > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want > > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of > models > > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to > buy > > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near > > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a > profit. > > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the > others. > > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > > reasonable. > > > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug > that > > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent > > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 > > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > > contact closures: > > > > 1 = Stop > > 2 = Pause > > 3 = Play > > 4 = Fast Forward > > 5 = Rewind > > 6 = Record > > > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested > > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and > > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to > each > > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. > > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches > > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks > for > > a soldering iron and solder. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Tue Aug 13 04:43:54 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Master) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:43:54 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay References: <002001c24263$9ca91f40$61d4e343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D58726A.000001.01232@mariano> Mr. or Miss (take your pick) ZSOPH: Just get off this list! You're wasting everybody's valuable time and bandwidth Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:12:41 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not changed. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "NakTalk" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > zsoph, > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > >them. > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other one) > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > auction listings. > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of models > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to buy > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a profit. > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the others. > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > reasonable. > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug that > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > contact closures: > > 1 = Stop > 2 = Pause > 3 = Play > 4 = Fast Forward > 5 = Rewind > 6 = Record > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to each > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks for > a soldering iron and solder. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 13 04:39:54 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:39:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay Message-ID: <35f233360c34.360c3435f233@indosat.net.id> And may you have lot of luck in making big fortunes out of the peanuts, oops, sorry, i mean the remotes. SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 8:26 am Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > All us cry babies wish you better luck on your other > email lists. > > -- Ron > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it > was a bunch > > of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that > has not > > changed. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > zsoph, > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" > wrote: > > > > > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > > > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > > > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > > > >them. > > > > > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something > Nakamichi related, > > > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the > people on > > > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and > the other > > one) > > > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and > unrealistic> > auction listings. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Tue Aug 13 06:44:12 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 04:44:12 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Remote DIN connections Message-ID: Just wondering, as I am sure someone will know this, what is the configuration for the RX-505 remote? The one mentioned is for the BX/CR, etc series, so how does the DIN configuration differ for the RX-505 autoreverse? Also, is there any way of modifying or changing the program codes for a CD player remote to the RM7C (for the CR-7)? Thanks in advance. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Tue Aug 13 08:02:57 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:02:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay In-Reply-To: <002001c24263$9ca91f40$61d4e343@hummingbird> Message-ID: Zsoph, Don't Go Away Mad...Just Go Away! Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of zsoph Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:52 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not changed. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "NakTalk" Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > zsoph, > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > >them. > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other one) > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > auction listings. > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of models > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to buy > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a profit. > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the others. > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > reasonable. > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug that > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > contact closures: > > 1 = Stop > 2 = Pause > 3 = Play > 4 = Fast Forward > 5 = Rewind > 6 = Record > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to each > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks for > a soldering iron and solder. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Aug 13 08:50:31 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:50:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay References: <008b01c2419d$a91b3a40$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <002001c24263$9ca91f40$61d4e343@hummingbird> Message-ID: <3D58AC37.8020801@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Good marketing strategy. Best of luck with your auction. John Walker zsoph wrote: >I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch >of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not >changed. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "NakTalk" >Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM >Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > >>zsoph, >> >>On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: >> >> >> >>>Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, >>>Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they >>>work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on >>>them. >>> >>> >>For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, >>you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on >>this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other >> >> >one) > > >>for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic >>auction listings. >> >>How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want >>more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of >> >> >models > > >>you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to >> >> >buy > > >>them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near >>the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a >> >> >profit. > > >>I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the >> >> >others. > > >>If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely >>scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed >>separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat >>reasonable. >> >>That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug >> >> >that > > >>plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent >>parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 >>for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple >>contact closures: >> >>1 = Stop >>2 = Pause >>3 = Play >>4 = Fast Forward >>5 = Rewind >>6 = Record >> >>This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested >>the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and >>will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. >> >>You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to >> >> >each > > >>switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. >>So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the >>switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches >>:). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks >> >> >for > > >>a soldering iron and solder. >> >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Tue Aug 13 11:15:06 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 05:15:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Message-ID: <200208130515_MC3-1-ABA-17AB@compuserve.com> Thanks to all the expert feedback, I got all excited and started operating on the 700zxe tonight until 1 AM! I actually have a very decent sound card (terratec ewx24/96) and a copy of cooledit software. For some reason I did not consider to use it as signal-generator, thanks Salim! I created 400Hz @0dB and 15kHz @-20dB reference signal files. I sprayed the tape selector with contact-spray, and after powering up smoke came out!! Turned out that I reassembled the tape-selector control wire in a wrong way and the serial resistor feeding 12V to auto-azimuth board supply is shorted. Anyways, the resistor is slightly charred, but nothing else got damaged. The contact spray did not solve the problem. So I followed the steps in the service manual. The 400Hz record/playback level is matched, but 15kHz signal is way out of range (ZX tape). The playback signal is about 6dB higher (reading from decks own display) than the source. The manual says it should be 1 dB higher, but adjusting the VR106/206 does not help much. The mechanism is very clean and I replaced the main belt when I bought the deck more than a year ago. Any more ideas that I can try while the cover is open? Regards, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:20:29 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2544 Fuad, if dirt is the problem, flick the switch several times and the auto calib should be working although with intermittent success. If you decide to go for manual adjustment, your pc with sound editing software could serve as a cost effective signal generator ... just remember original trimpot positions (using marker) in case things got worse. With no oscilloscope or analyzer you can use 700's LED meter as a good approximation to adjust the 400hz level at 0db and adjust 15khz bias at -20db: try to match input and output, i.e. tape / source. More details in the service manual. =) Best regards, Salim SM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:16:09 -0400 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Your problem could actually be orange cap disease, as the bloody things can fail at certain stress levels(e.g. higher bias signal) and then be fine when the level is lower again. But it could also be as simple as a worn capstan belt, which can often cause tape skewing on some tape types & be fine on others. Or it could simply be a bit too far off primary calibration for metal bias. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > Hi All, > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > -Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 13 11:49:27 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:49:27 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Message-ID: <38d243386c0a.386c0a38d243@indosat.net.id> Welcome to the sleepless-night club (not sleepless night-club)! That 6dB high should be the reason auto calibration didn't work, but i don't have a clue what really caused it. Usually bias VRs is sensitive to slightest turn. Have fun tracing the signal path =) I have the manual (but not the deck), so i'll also take a look tonight. Replacing all orange caps inside is a good idea while you're still at it, as they eventually will cause erratic problems all over the place. As Stephen said, some might be on the 'brink' ... start with the ones surrounding bias and rec circuit. About the bulbs, well, let's just wait until they go out, maybe it was just my bad luck. Best regards, Salim SM PS: can't imagine the look when you see smoke coming from 700 ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > Thanks to all the expert feedback, I got all excited and started > operatingon the 700zxe tonight until 1 AM! > I actually have a very decent sound card (terratec ewx24/96) and a > copy of > cooledit software. For some reason I did not consider to use it as > signal-generator, thanks Salim! I created 400Hz @0dB and 15kHz @-20dB > reference signal files. > > I sprayed the tape selector with contact-spray, and after powering > up smoke > came out!! Turned out that I reassembled the tape-selector control > wire in > a wrong way and the serial resistor feeding 12V to auto-azimuth board > supply is shorted. Anyways, the resistor is slightly charred, but > nothingelse got damaged. > > The contact spray did not solve the problem. So I followed the > steps in the > service manual. The 400Hz record/playback level is matched, but 15kHz > signal is way out of range (ZX tape). The playback signal is about 6dB > higher (reading from decks own display) than the source. The > manual says it > should be 1 dB higher, but adjusting the VR106/206 does not help much. > > The mechanism is very clean and I replaced the main belt when I > bought the > deck more than a year ago. > Any more ideas that I can try while the cover is open? > > Regards, > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Aug 13 13:12:12 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:12:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay References: <008b01c2419d$a91b3a40$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <002001c24263$9ca91f40$61d4e343@hummingbird> <3D586047.70144CB5@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001701c242ba$49992a00$ec2f2ac4@CopyTech> Don't loose time with this other. From time to time we receive some alien visitors trying to disturb our community. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > All us cry babies wish you better luck on your other > email lists. > > -- Ron > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch > > of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not > > changed. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > zsoph, > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: > > > > > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > > > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > > > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > > > >them. > > > > > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, > > > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on > > > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other > > one) > > > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > > > auction listings. > > > > > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want > > > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of > > models > > > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to > > buy > > > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near > > > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a > > profit. > > > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the > > others. > > > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > > > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > > > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > > > reasonable. > > > > > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug > > that > > > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent > > > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 > > > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > > > contact closures: > > > > > > 1 = Stop > > > 2 = Pause > > > 3 = Play > > > 4 = Fast Forward > > > 5 = Rewind > > > 6 = Record > > > > > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested > > > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and > > > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > > > > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to > > each > > > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. > > > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > > > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches > > > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks > > for > > > a soldering iron and solder. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From g_valkov at hotmail.com Tue Aug 13 12:55:34 2002 From: g_valkov at hotmail.com (George Valkov) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:34 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] (OT) Off Topic - Don't judge a book by its cover or a component by its manufacturer Message-ID: Unless I'm very wrong, didn't Harman Kardon buy Clarion some time ago? And we all know about Clarion in-car audio - so no surprise here for me. George ----Original Message Follows---- From: "sam barr" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: [naktalk] (OT) Off Topic - Don't judge a book by its cover or a component by its manufacturer Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:53:26 -0500 Hi All! This week and weekend I enjoyed the opportunity to test drive a new Lexus 430 with the new Mark Levinson system, and a new Land Rover Discovery with a Harman-Kardon system. I was so excited to finally hear the ML system I could hardly wait. I used one of my own sweet-sounding recorded cassettes made on my Stephen-Sank tuned CR-7. The results? I was very disappointed. The system lacked bass. Now, I'm not a boom-boom type of listener, but I like a little low-end. I turned the ML system's bass to its highest setting and it didn't appear to make a difference. Now granted, to be fair maybe I didn't set something correctly. Maybe I rushed thought the touch screen options to fast and turned something off. But I was disappointed. Now, on the other had the Harman-Kardon system in the new Land Rover Discovery was simply superb! And, I know that Harmon-Kardon is not a well-liked name among audiophiles, but the system I heard was wonderful. No cassette player, so I used a CD. 12.1 and with it's eq settings flat it was excellent. Excellent speaker placement, just the right amount of bass, well balanced mids and highs. When I think of this system one word continues to come to mind - clean! Any thoughts? -Sam PS It's good to chat with you guys again... ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From roleo at telus.net Tue Aug 13 16:38:35 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:38:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status References: <000901c242ba$0305d7a0$ec2f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000d01c242d7$1ab77df0$eab9b742@Inspiron7000> Carlos, the tape is on it's way to me. The tape has just startd side B, so their may be room to ad more music if you wish. Thanx, Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:10 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > Hello Sam: > > The tape 1 is almost over,so, you'll have to wait for the next one. > > Best, > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > Hi All, > > > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > > > -Sam > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael E DeWire" > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Tue Aug 13 17:52:46 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:52:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay Message-ID: <199120-220028213155246738@M2W066.mail2web.com> "Good marketing strategy ..." yes but its lacking that ingredient that is so oft quoted by the Marketing gurus at the moment ... i.e. it lacks "customer empathy"! Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: John Walker john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:50:31 +0100 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay Good marketing strategy. Best of luck with your auction. John Walker zsoph wrote: >I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch >of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not >changed. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk Tue Aug 13 17:55:03 2002 From: nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.pol.net.uk (nelson3.freeserve.co.uk@pop.freeserve.com) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:55:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status: Sam Message-ID: <128590-22002821315553364@M2W095.mail2web.com> We could probably get you on Tape 2, Sam ... that is, if it comes up for air! Graham Original Message: ----------------- From: El Magnifico copytec at coqui.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:10:12 -0500 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status Hello Sam: The tape 1 is almost over,so, you'll have to wait for the next one. Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > Hi All, > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > -Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Aug 13 18:23:05 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:23:05 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CDplayers References: <002801c241ae$bc243680$291d07c4@private> Message-ID: <000501c242e5$df5f3d60$f9299bca@smarzuki> Walter, i received the fax today, thanks much ! Looks like the one I need is a RC-1 parallel to serial converter to control CD Player from CA7. I'll ask Nakamichi if they still have a converter (or schematic) ... there's gotta be a NOS converter somewhere =). Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay/parallel-to-serial converter for CDplayers Salim ,unfortunately it wont be to day.I am flying to Cape Town Yust now.I'ii be back to night late.You will pse have to wait till tomorrow Walter ( 5.15 am RSA time) -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki smarzuki at indosat.net.id ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Aug 13 19:23:02 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:23:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] no Dolby Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0B9@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Nak'rs, anybody??? guess i'll be receiving M-tape1 before too long. question tho.....no DNR? is this because duplicates are going to be made? is this proper protocall for making a 'master' tape (so the copies can be made using Dolby)? all comments & opinions welcome. 2nd time around, andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Aug 13 19:27:57 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:27:57 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay References: <199120-220028213155246738@M2W066.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <3D59419D.5000408@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> There ought to be a font called "Ironic" that I could use! John nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com wrote: >"Good marketing strategy ..." yes but its lacking that ingredient that is >so oft quoted by the Marketing gurus at the moment ... i.e. it lacks >"customer empathy"! > >Graham > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: John Walker john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:50:31 +0100 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > >Good marketing strategy. Best of luck with your auction. > >John Walker > >zsoph wrote: > > > >>I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch >>of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not >>changed. >> >> >> >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 13 20:03:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:03:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] no Dolby References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0B9@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3D5949D6.EB4A2E4C@rcn.com> "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > > Nak'rs, anybody??? > > guess i'll be receiving M-tape1 before too long. question tho.....no DNR? is this because > duplicates are going to be made? is this proper protocall for making a 'master' tape (so > the copies can be made using Dolby)? all comments & opinions welcome. > > 2nd time around, > andy When many decks are use to make a recording, it is highly likely that many of them will be out of calibration. This could result in poor PB Dolby tracking, regardless of the deck used for PB. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 13 20:23:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:23:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Remote DIN connections References: Message-ID: <3D594E86.278C3374@rcn.com> winnie pooh wrote: > > Just wondering, as I am sure someone will know this, what is the > configuration for the RX-505 remote? The one mentioned is for the BX/CR, etc > series, so how does the DIN configuration differ for the RX-505 autoreverse? The answer should be easily derived from the RX-505 schematic diagram. I downloaded it from the NakTalk site (DjVu format), but unfortunately, couldn't open the files with my DjVuShop.exe. > Also, is there any way of modifying or changing the program codes for a CD > player remote to the RM7C (for the CR-7)? I doubt it. The codes would be imbedded in the remote chip. The way to add an after market remote to the CR-7 is to get an 8 function Tx/Rx set and terminate the Rx with an 8p DIN plug. This is at least as expensive as a Nak RM-7C, provided it is still available for under $100 or so. -- Ron > > Thanks in advance. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John nelson3.freeserve.co.uk at pop.freeserve.com wrote: >"Good marketing strategy ..." yes but its lacking that ingredient that is >so oft quoted by the Marketing gurus at the moment ... i.e. it lacks >"customer empathy"! > >Graham > >Original Message: >----------------- >From: John Walker john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:50:31 +0100 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > >Good marketing strategy. Best of luck with your auction. > >John Walker --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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The tape has just startd side B, so > their may be room to ad more music if you wish. > > Thanx, > Roland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > Hello Sam: > > > > The tape 1 is almost over,so, you'll have to wait for the next one. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > > > > > -Sam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael E DeWire" > > > To: "NakTalk" > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Best, Carlos - ----- Original Message ----- From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > Hi All, > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > -Sam > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael E DeWire" > To: "NakTalk" > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:49:27 +0700 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Welcome to the sleepless-night club (not sleepless night-club)! That 6dB high should be the reason auto calibration didn't work, but i don't have a clue what really caused it. Usually bias VRs is sensitive to slightest turn. Have fun tracing the signal path =) I have the manual (but not the deck), so i'll also take a look tonight. Replacing all orange caps inside is a good idea while you're still at it, as they eventually will cause erratic problems all over the place. As Stephen said, some might be on the 'brink' ... start with the ones surrounding bias and rec circuit. About the bulbs, well, let's just wait until they go out, maybe it was just my bad luck. Best regards, Salim SM PS: can't imagine the look when you see smoke coming from 700 ... - ----- Original Message ----- From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > Thanks to all the expert feedback, I got all excited and started > operatingon the 700zxe tonight until 1 AM! > I actually have a very decent sound card (terratec ewx24/96) and a > copy of > cooledit software. For some reason I did not consider to use it as > signal-generator, thanks Salim! I created 400Hz @0dB and 15kHz @-20dB > reference signal files. > > I sprayed the tape selector with contact-spray, and after powering > up smoke > came out!! Turned out that I reassembled the tape-selector control > wire in > a wrong way and the serial resistor feeding 12V to auto-azimuth board > supply is shorted. Anyways, the resistor is slightly charred, but > nothingelse got damaged. > > The contact spray did not solve the problem. So I followed the > steps in the > service manual. The 400Hz record/playback level is matched, but 15kHz > signal is way out of range (ZX tape). The playback signal is about 6dB > higher (reading from decks own display) than the source. The > manual says it > should be 1 dB higher, but adjusting the VR106/206 does not help much. > > The mechanism is very clean and I replaced the main belt when I > bought the > deck more than a year ago. > Any more ideas that I can try while the cover is open? > > Regards, > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:12:12 -0500 From: "El Magnifico" Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay Don't loose time with this other. From time to time we receive some alien visitors trying to disturb our community. Carlos - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:26 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > All us cry babies wish you better luck on your other > email lists. > > -- Ron > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a bunch > > of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not > > changed. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > zsoph, > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" wrote: > > > > > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > > > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > > > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > > > >them. > > > > > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi related, > > > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people on > > > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the other > > one) > > > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > > > auction listings. > > > > > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would want > > > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of > > models > > > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going to > > buy > > > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere near > > > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a > > profit. > > > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the > > others. > > > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > > > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > > > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > > > reasonable. > > > > > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN plug > > that > > > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most decent > > > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire (pin 7 > > > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > > > contact closures: > > > > > > 1 = Stop > > > 2 = Pause > > > 3 = Play > > > 4 = Fast Forward > > > 5 = Rewind > > > 6 = Record > > > > > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I requested > > > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend and > > > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > > > > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to > > each > > > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each switch. > > > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > > > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice switches > > > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 bucks > > for > > > a soldering iron and solder. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:34 +0300 From: "George Valkov" Subject: Re: [naktalk] (OT) Off Topic - Don't judge a book by its cover or a component by its manufacturer Unless I'm very wrong, didn't Harman Kardon buy Clarion some time ago? And we all know about Clarion in-car audio - so no surprise here for me. George - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "sam barr" Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com To: Subject: [naktalk] (OT) Off Topic - Don't judge a book by its cover or a component by its manufacturer Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:53:26 -0500 Hi All! This week and weekend I enjoyed the opportunity to test drive a new Lexus 430 with the new Mark Levinson system, and a new Land Rover Discovery with a Harman-Kardon system. I was so excited to finally hear the ML system I could hardly wait. I used one of my own sweet-sounding recorded cassettes made on my Stephen-Sank tuned CR-7. The results? I was very disappointed. The system lacked bass. Now, I'm not a boom-boom type of listener, but I like a little low-end. I turned the ML system's bass to its highest setting and it didn't appear to make a difference. Now granted, to be fair maybe I didn't set something correctly. Maybe I rushed thought the touch screen options to fast and turned something off. But I was disappointed. Now, on the other had the Harman-Kardon system in the new Land Rover Discovery was simply superb! And, I know that Harmon-Kardon is not a well-liked name among audiophiles, but the system I heard was wonderful. No cassette player, so I used a CD. 12.1 and with it's eq settings flat it was excellent. Excellent speaker placement, just the right amount of bass, well balanced mids and highs. When I think of this system one word continues to come to mind - clean! Any thoughts? - -Sam PS It's good to chat with you guys again... - ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Aug 14 00:15:54 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:15:54 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] This is just a test Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BD1@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi all, Been having problems with my email client. This is just a test please ignore. Tom Siomopoulos. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 14 01:39:32 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:39:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2549 References: Message-ID: <3D5998B3.CE0E1AB1@earthlink.net> As far as I'm know, Clarion own McIntosh outright. If I'm not mistaken, Harmon Kardon is owned by Harmon International. Harmon Int'l also owns JBL, Infinity, Proceed, Mark Levinson, Madrigal and probably a few others that I'm forgetting. Jim Volpatti Ken Lee wrote: > Hi George, > I believe Clarion owns the car audio arm of the famous McIntosh brand. Does that mean Harmon Kardon owns some of the McIntosh business? > regards ken ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 14 01:20:06 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:20:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem References: <200208130515_MC3-1-ABA-17AB@compuserve.com> Message-ID: <004b01c2431f$f841bc60$113442cf@sank2> Apparently, your bias is not able to come up high enough, pretty likely because the erase oscillator is not putting out high enough amplitude 105kHz signal, which does point toward orange caps. Replace them, at the very least, in the erase oscillator & see if that cures it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Compudude" <75541.100 at compuserve.com> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > Thanks to all the expert feedback, I got all excited and started operating > on the 700zxe tonight until 1 AM! > I actually have a very decent sound card (terratec ewx24/96) and a copy of > cooledit software. For some reason I did not consider to use it as > signal-generator, thanks Salim! I created 400Hz @0dB and 15kHz @-20dB > reference signal files. > > I sprayed the tape selector with contact-spray, and after powering up smoke > came out!! Turned out that I reassembled the tape-selector control wire in > a wrong way and the serial resistor feeding 12V to auto-azimuth board > supply is shorted. Anyways, the resistor is slightly charred, but nothing > else got damaged. > > The contact spray did not solve the problem. So I followed the steps in the > service manual. The 400Hz record/playback level is matched, but 15kHz > signal is way out of range (ZX tape). The playback signal is about 6dB > higher (reading from decks own display) than the source. The manual says it > should be 1 dB higher, but adjusting the VR106/206 does not help much. > > The mechanism is very clean and I replaced the main belt when I bought the > deck more than a year ago. > Any more ideas that I can try while the cover is open? > > Regards, > _Fuad > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > >Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:20:29 +0700 > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Subject: Re: [naktalk] naktalk-digest V2 #2544 > > Fuad, if dirt is the problem, flick the switch several times and the > auto calib should be working although with intermittent success. If > you decide to go for manual adjustment, your pc with sound editing > software could serve as a cost effective signal generator ... just > remember original trimpot positions (using marker) in case things got > worse. > > With no oscilloscope or analyzer you can use 700's LED meter as a good > approximation to adjust the 400hz level at 0db and adjust 15khz bias > at -20db: try to match input and output, i.e. tape / source. More > details in the service manual. =) > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 06:16:09 -0400 > From: "Stephen Sank" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > > Your problem could actually be orange cap disease, as the bloody things can > fail at certain stress levels(e.g. higher bias signal) and then be fine > when > the level is lower again. But it could also be as simple as a worn capstan > belt, which can often cause tape skewing on some tape types & be fine on > others. Or it could simply be a bit too far off primary calibration for > metal bias. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > < > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 14 01:22:49 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:22:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2549 References: Message-ID: <005901c24320$57951e00$113442cf@sank2> As far as I know, Clarion, which owns McIntosh entirely(but has thankfully had a pretty "hands off" management attitude), has no connection with Harman-Kardon(which does own half of the rest of the audio industry). Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Lee" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2549 > Hi George, > I believe Clarion owns the car audio arm of the famous McIntosh brand. Does that mean Harmon Kardon owns some of the McIntosh business? > regards ken > > >>> owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com 08/13/02 10:18pm >>> > > naktalk-digest Tuesday, August 13 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2549 > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:10:12 -0500 > From: "El Magnifico" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > Hello Sam: > > The tape 1 is almost over,so, you'll have to wait for the next one. > > Best, > > Carlos > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > Hi All, > > > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > > > -Sam > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michael E DeWire" > > To: "NakTalk" > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:49:27 +0700 > From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > > Welcome to the sleepless-night club (not sleepless night-club)! That > 6dB high should be the reason auto calibration didn't work, but i don't > have a clue what really caused it. Usually bias VRs is sensitive to > slightest turn. Have fun tracing the signal path =) I have the > manual (but not the deck), so i'll also take a look tonight. > > Replacing all orange caps inside is a good idea while you're still at > it, as they eventually will cause erratic problems all over the place. > As Stephen said, some might be on the 'brink' ... start with the ones > surrounding bias and rec circuit. About the bulbs, well, let's just > wait until they go out, maybe it was just my bad luck. > > Best regards, > Salim SM > > PS: can't imagine the look when you see smoke coming from 700 ... > > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Compudude <75541.100 at compuserve.com> > Date: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:15 pm > Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem > > > Thanks to all the expert feedback, I got all excited and started > > operatingon the 700zxe tonight until 1 AM! > > I actually have a very decent sound card (terratec ewx24/96) and a > > copy of > > cooledit software. For some reason I did not consider to use it as > > signal-generator, thanks Salim! I created 400Hz @0dB and 15kHz @-20dB > > reference signal files. > > > > I sprayed the tape selector with contact-spray, and after powering > > up smoke > > came out!! Turned out that I reassembled the tape-selector control > > wire in > > a wrong way and the serial resistor feeding 12V to auto-azimuth board > > supply is shorted. Anyways, the resistor is slightly charred, but > > nothingelse got damaged. > > > > The contact spray did not solve the problem. So I followed the > > steps in the > > service manual. The 400Hz record/playback level is matched, but 15kHz > > signal is way out of range (ZX tape). The playback signal is about 6dB > > higher (reading from decks own display) than the source. The > > manual says it > > should be 1 dB higher, but adjusting the VR106/206 does not help much. > > > > The mechanism is very clean and I replaced the main belt when I > > bought the > > deck more than a year ago. > > Any more ideas that I can try while the cover is open? > > > > Regards, > > _Fuad > > > > Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:12:12 -0500 > From: "El Magnifico" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > Don't loose time with this other. From time to time we receive some alien > visitors trying to disturb our community. > > Carlos > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:26 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > All us cry babies wish you better luck on your other > > email lists. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > > > I no longer receive or read posts on that list. In the past it was a > bunch > > > of cry babies looking for Nak items for peanuts. I can see that has not > > > changed. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: "NakTalk" > > > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:14 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > zsoph, > > > > > > > > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 08:52:09 -0700, "zsoph" > wrote: > > > > > > > > >Well then it looks like you will be visiting Radio Shit, whoops, > > > > >Shack for your parts and making several of them. I hope they > > > > >work and don't forget to put the word "professional" on > > > > >them. > > > > > > > > For someone who is trying to find a buyer for something Nakamichi > related, > > > > you seem to have a pretty negative and hostile approach to the people > on > > > > this list. Personally, I saw both of the auctions (yours and the > other > > > one) > > > > for the remotes and felt that they were rather greedy and unrealistic > > > > auction listings. > > > > > > > > How many people (other than possibly dealers) are out there who would > want > > > > more than one of a given remote model (or even the particular mix of > > > models > > > > you are selling, even if it was one of each)? If a dealer was going > to > > > buy > > > > them (one would think for resale), they wouldn't want to pay anywhere > near > > > > the $1000 opening bid or they wouldn't be able to resell them for a > > > profit. > > > > I'd certainly be interested in the DM-10 and a RM-5, but none of the > > > others. > > > > If the auction ends without any bids (which I see as a rather likely > > > > scenario), I'd be more than happy to bid on these items (if listed > > > > separately) if the opening bids are within the realm of being somewhat > > > > reasonable. > > > > > > > > That said, building your own remote for these is TRIVIAL. The DIN > plug > > > that > > > > plugs into the deck is a standard 8 pin DIN plug (available at most > decent > > > > parts shops for a couple of bucks). There is a single ground wire > (pin 7 > > > > for the RM-5) and six control wires (pin 8 isn't used) that are simple > > > > contact closures: > > > > > > > > 1 = Stop > > > > 2 = Pause > > > > 3 = Play > > > > 4 = Fast Forward > > > > 5 = Rewind > > > > 6 = Record > > > > > > > > This pinout was sent to me by Nakamichi customer support after I > requested > > > > the pinout recently. I confirmed that it is correct over the weekend > and > > > > will be hooking it up to my Crestron system in the near future. > > > > > > > > You would need 6 momentary switches that connect ground on one side to > > > each > > > > switch and then one of the other signals to the other pole of each > switch. > > > > So, an 8 pin DIN plug, 6 switches, some wire, and a box to hold the > > > > switches - should cost a grand total of maybe $20 if you buy nice > switches > > > > :). If you don't have a soldering iron or solder add another $20 > bucks > > > for > > > > a soldering iron and solder. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:55:34 +0300 > From: "George Valkov" > Subject: Re: [naktalk] (OT) Off Topic - Don't judge a book by its cover or a component by its manufacturer > > Unless I'm very wrong, didn't Harman Kardon buy Clarion some time ago? And > we all know about Clarion in-car audio - so no surprise here for me. > > George > > > - ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "sam barr" > Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com > To: > Subject: [naktalk] (OT) Off Topic - Don't judge a book by its cover or a > component by its manufacturer > Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 20:53:26 -0500 > > Hi All! > > This week and weekend I enjoyed the opportunity to test drive a new Lexus > 430 with the new Mark Levinson system, and a new Land Rover Discovery with a > Harman-Kardon system. I was so excited to finally hear the ML system I > could hardly wait. I used one of my own sweet-sounding recorded cassettes > made on my Stephen-Sank tuned CR-7. The results? I was very disappointed. > The system lacked bass. Now, I'm not a boom-boom type of listener, but I > like a little low-end. I turned the ML system's bass to its highest setting > and it didn't appear to make a difference. Now granted, to be fair maybe I > didn't set something correctly. Maybe I rushed thought the touch screen > options to fast and turned something off. But I was disappointed. > > Now, on the other had the Harman-Kardon system in the new Land Rover > Discovery was simply superb! And, I know that Harmon-Kardon is not a > well-liked name among audiophiles, but the system I heard was wonderful. No > cassette player, so I used a CD. 12.1 and with it's eq settings flat it was > excellent. Excellent speaker placement, just the right amount of bass, well > balanced mids and highs. When I think of this system one word continues to > come to mind - clean! > > Any thoughts? > > - -Sam > > PS > > It's good to chat with you guys again... > > - ------------------------------------------- > Introducing NetZero Long Distance > Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! > Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:34:51 +0200 > From: "Jannis" > Subject: [naktalk] JPG & naktalk > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C242DE.F75D8770 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hi all > I tried a few times to e-mail the photo (872 kb in JPG format) of a = > mobile nakamichi radio cassette to naktalk site. I was wondering if = > someone could tell me which type the thing is and whether it is worth = > buying. Although the file is sent, I do not understand why it refuses to = > appear on nakatalk. Is there a limit concerning the file size? > > Jannis =20 > > - ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C242DE.F75D8770 > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > >
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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Aug 14 05:00:51 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 23:00:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status References: <000901c242ba$0305d7a0$ec2f2ac4@CopyTech> <000d01c242d7$1ab77df0$eab9b742@Inspiron7000> Message-ID: <3D59C7DE.A9CDF1E5@snet.net> Sounds like there's room for more good music... Carlo's, Bleus... can Sam and I jump in? Regards, Ed Roland Alford wrote: > Carlos, the tape is on it's way to me. The tape has just startd side B, so > their may be room to ad more music if you wish. > > Thanx, > Roland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:10 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > Hello Sam: > > > > The tape 1 is almost over,so, you'll have to wait for the next one. > > > > Best, > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > > > > > -Sam > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Michael E DeWire" > > > To: "NakTalk" > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Wed Aug 14 06:33:04 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:33:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape 1 (Room for more music....) Message-ID: So, my understanding is that we have room for more music. Anyone in the western hemispher that wants to join the M-Tape recording fun should contact me directly with their request. We'll do our best to fit you into the B Side of M-Tape 1. Here's the webpage for browsing and updates on both M-Tapes: http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Best regards, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From 75541.100 at compuserve.com Wed Aug 14 07:58:15 2002 From: 75541.100 at compuserve.com (Compudude) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 01:58:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Message-ID: <200208140158_MC3-1-AE9-FACC@compuserve.com> Thanks Stephen, I will definitely try replacing the caps when I find some time. I have your messages about the orange-cap disease. Salim was wondering about the indicator lights, and yes a couple were dead when I received the deck. Actually I posted a note to naktalk that time about the replacement bulbs I got from Radio Shack. Even the previous owner has a note in the users manual, appearently written to the Nak service, telling them to replace all burned-out lamps. There is an ugly repair on the PCB where the start/stop lights are mounted. Looks like part of the board is burned because of overheating. Thanks again for all the support, _Fuad Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:20:06 -0400 From: "Stephen Sank" Subject: Re: [naktalk] 700ZXE recording problem Apparently, your bias is not able to come up high enough, pretty likely because the erase oscillator is not putting out high enough amplitude 105kHz signal, which does point toward orange caps. Replace them, at the very least, in the erase oscillator & see if that cures it. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer < ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Aug 14 14:04:32 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 07:04:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status References: <000901c242ba$0305d7a0$ec2f2ac4@CopyTech> <000d01c242d7$1ab77df0$eab9b742@Inspiron7000> <3D59C7DE.A9CDF1E5@snet.net> Message-ID: <002201c2438a$c3752f60$1a312ac4@CopyTech> No problem, Ed. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > Sounds like there's room for more good music... Carlo's, Bleus... can Sam and I jump > in? > > Regards, > Ed > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > Carlos, the tape is on it's way to me. The tape has just startd side B, so > > their may be room to ad more music if you wish. > > > > Thanx, > > Roland > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "El Magnifico" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 4:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > Hello Sam: > > > > > > The tape 1 is almost over,so, you'll have to wait for the next one. > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "samuelbarr at hotmail.com" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:15 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > How can I get on the mailing list for Tape 1? > > > > > > > > -Sam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Michael E DeWire" > > > > To: "NakTalk" > > > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:04 PM > > > > Subject: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tape is on its way to Roland in Vancouver. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > > resource. > > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Wed Aug 14 19:23:01 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:23:01 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks Message-ID: <000a01c243b7$3e10cdc0$13945dd5@jannis> Hello all, Some time ago there was here a hot discussion about interlinks but I cannot remember whether there was any specific mentioning of cassette deck interlinks. A friend of mine (recently deceased), who owned a high-end audio shop, used to tell me that high-end interlinks are essential for CD players and tuners and so on, but he was very adamant about not using them for cassette decks. Is this your experience as well? Jannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Aug 14 20:42:22 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:42:22 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks Message-ID: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I suspect his view about not using high-end interlinks for cassette may be because he, like many others in the trade, may not consider the cassette medium to be good enough to warrant the use of them, like one would probably not consider it worth putting a SME V arm on a Garrard SP25 MkI turntable! Of course, leaving aside the debate about high end interlinks themselves, I think many of us would take the view that best quality cassette decks are capable of REAL high fidelity, of course. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Jannis [SMTP:j.soulantikas at chello.nl] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks Hello all, Some time ago there was here a hot discussion about interlinks but I cannot remember whether there was any specific mentioning of cassette deck interlinks. A friend of mine (recently deceased), who owned a high-end audio shop, used to tell me that high-end interlinks are essential for CD players and tuners and so on, but he was very adamant about not using them for cassette decks. Is this your experience as well? Jannis --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 << File: ATT00002.html >> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Aug 14 19:23:02 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 13:23:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks References: <000a01c243b7$3e10cdc0$13945dd5@jannis> <007a01c243bf$61d44130$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <002d01c243b7$4d2e47b0$8a3442cf@sank2> Brian, did you get my reply on the ZX-9 mode drive? Hadn't gotten the previous email you mentioned, so I'm thinking we may have email problems. On the topic, I certainly would put good interconnects on a cassette sooner than I would on even the best tuner. FM is, after all, sharply cut off before 19kHz, and few radio stations put out a low distortion, uncompressed signal. However, I'd only spend significant cash on cables for a cassette deck of truly high caliber, such as a CR-7 or a ZXL, or an upgraded ZX-9, Dragon, etc. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks Hi Jannis, Are you talking about inter-connects (Cables the connect equipment together)? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks Hello all, Some time ago there was here a hot discussion about interlinks but I cannot remember whether there was any specific mentioning of cassette deck interlinks. A friend of mine (recently deceased), who owned a high-end audio shop, used to tell me that high-end interlinks are essential for CD players and tuners and so on, but he was very adamant about not using them for cassette decks. Is this your experience as well? Jannis ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Interlinks > I suspect his view about not using high-end interlinks for cassette may be > because he, like many others in the trade, may not consider the cassette > medium to be good enough to warrant the use of them, like one would > probably not consider it worth putting a SME V arm on a Garrard SP25 MkI > turntable! > > Of course, leaving aside the debate about high end interlinks themselves, I > think many of us would take the view that best quality cassette decks are > capable of REAL high fidelity, of course. > > Gra' > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jannis [SMTP:j.soulantikas at chello.nl] > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 6:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks > > Hello all, > > Some time ago there was here a hot discussion about interlinks but I cannot > remember whether there was any specific mentioning of cassette deck > interlinks. > > A friend of mine (recently deceased), who owned a high-end audio shop, used > to tell me that high-end interlinks are essential for CD players and tuners > and so on, but he was very adamant about not using them for cassette decks. > Is this your experience as well? > > Jannis > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > << File: ATT00002.html >> > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Aug 14 21:39:39 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 12:39:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners References: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D5AB1FA.2CBF1E38@earthlink.net> You know, I thought the same thing: that perhaps the owner of the shop felt that the performance of a cassette deck doesn't warrant the use of a high quality interconnect cable. He did, however, recommend exactly that for use with tuners though. Perhaps the radio stations in his area transmit a higher quality signal than here in the San Francisco bay area. I spent over $1000 on a nice Magnum Dynalab tuner, only to realize how truly bad 95% of the stations sound here. Strangely enough, the RF performance of my stock GM car stereo seems better. Go figure. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > I suspect his view about not using high-end interlinks for cassette may be > because he, like many others in the trade, may not consider the cassette > medium to be good enough to warrant the use of them, like one would > probably not consider it worth putting a SME V arm on a Garrard SP25 MkI > turntable! > > Of course, leaving aside the debate about high end interlinks themselves, I > think many of us would take the view that best quality cassette decks are > capable of REAL high fidelity, of course. > > Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 14 22:15:48 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:15:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks References: <000a01c243b7$3e10cdc0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D5ABA74.D8A3E096@rcn.com> > Jannis wrote: > > Hello all, > > Some time ago there was here a hot discussion about interlinks but I cannot > remember whether there was any specific mentioning of cassette deck > interlinks. > > A friend of mine (recently deceased), who owned a high-end audio shop, used > to tell me that high-end interlinks are essential for CD players and tuners > and so on, but he was very adamant about not using them for cassette decks. > Is this your experience as well? > > Jannis Since I had no idea what 'interlinks' are (without the 'inter', they could be breakfast sausages, or maybe a golf course. Without the 'links', they could be either INTERnational or merely INTEResting :-) ), I ran a search on Google and came up with 'Active intelinks', from a company called SEEC (stands for SCIENTIFIC ESSENTIAL EQUIPMENT COMPANY). Turns out these are interconnects with a box in the middle, that supposedly contains some active circuitry (there's a wall power supply). They go for the ridiculously low, practically symbolic price of $549, made possible only due to the direct to consumer, no dealer involved, business model. Connection diagrams show how to use these intelinks to hook up a preamp to a power amp or a CD Player to an amp. No mention is made of what is in the box, why it is necessary and why would a tiny active circuit plus a cable cost anywhere near $549. However, there are specifications (hilarious to any electronics engineer) and a frequency response curve that shows that those intelinks are almost as flat as non-active interconnects. And to think that -- had I known what interlinks are -- I would have missed this piece of information... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 14 22:48:16 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:48:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners References: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D5AB1FA.2CBF1E38@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00b001c243d3$eb26bc60$b7021fac@brianm> On the tuner not Jim, I purchased a Fanfare FT-1A tuner and enjoyed it for about a year and a half, I sold it for $1000, purchased a vintage Yamaha T-2 tuner for $368 on eBay; IMO, the T-2 is better and has more options, although the Fanfare had balanced and remote which was nice. The Yamaha has a little better reception and I believe it sounds better, it can be a bit tough to judge with FM. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners > You know, I thought the same thing: that perhaps the owner of the shop felt that the > performance of a cassette deck doesn't warrant the use of a high quality interconnect > cable. He did, however, recommend exactly that for use with tuners though. Perhaps the > radio stations in his area transmit a higher quality signal than here in the San > Francisco bay area. > > I spent over $1000 on a nice Magnum Dynalab tuner, only to realize how truly bad 95% of > the stations sound here. Strangely enough, the RF performance of my stock GM car stereo > seems better. Go figure. > > Jim Volpatti > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > I suspect his view about not using high-end interlinks for cassette may be > > because he, like many others in the trade, may not consider the cassette > > medium to be good enough to warrant the use of them, like one would > > probably not consider it worth putting a SME V arm on a Garrard SP25 MkI > > turntable! > > > > Of course, leaving aside the debate about high end interlinks themselves, I > > think many of us would take the view that best quality cassette decks are > > capable of REAL high fidelity, of course. > > > > Gra' > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Wed Aug 14 22:47:40 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:47:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks References: <000a01c243b7$3e10cdc0$13945dd5@jannis> <007a01c243bf$61d44130$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001d01c243d3$d518d4d0$13945dd5@jannis> Yes Brian that's what I mean ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Miller To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks Hi Jannis, Are you talking about inter-connects (Cables the connect equipment together)? Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks Hello all, Some time ago there was here a hot discussion about interlinks but I cannot remember whether there was any specific mentioning of cassette deck interlinks. A friend of mine (recently deceased), who owned a high-end audio shop, used to tell me that high-end interlinks are essential for CD players and tuners and so on, but he was very adamant about not using them for cassette decks. Is this your experience as well? Jannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Wed Aug 14 23:09:43 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:09:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? Message-ID: <001801c243d6$e9661940$13945dd5@jannis> Have I missed something or is someone translating pages of naktalk into Russian? http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/cr/cr.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Wed Aug 14 23:56:22 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:56:22 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners References: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D5AB1FA.2CBF1E38@earthlink.net> <00b001c243d3$eb26bc60$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <000701c243dd$6db02910$13945dd5@jannis> Well I am happy with my simple "Rega" tuner which sounds amazingly good. It's only shortcoming is the limited amount of FM stations one can store in its memory (7 presets). By the way we do have good FM stations here in Holland. We have cable tv and Radio and we can also receive German, Belgian and English (BBC) FM broadcasts. PS. I hope Ron will not find a reason to correct my English again :-) Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners > On the tuner not Jim, I purchased a Fanfare FT-1A tuner and enjoyed it for > about a year and a half, I sold it for $1000, purchased a vintage Yamaha T-2 > tuner for $368 on eBay; IMO, the T-2 is better and has more options, > although the Fanfare had balanced and remote which was nice. The Yamaha has > a little better reception and I believe it sounds better, it can be a bit > tough to judge with FM. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:39 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners > > > > You know, I thought the same thing: that perhaps the owner of the shop > felt that the > > performance of a cassette deck doesn't warrant the use of a high quality > interconnect > > cable. He did, however, recommend exactly that for use with tuners though. > Perhaps the > > radio stations in his area transmit a higher quality signal than here in > the San > > Francisco bay area. > > > > I spent over $1000 on a nice Magnum Dynalab tuner, only to realize how > truly bad 95% of > > the stations sound here. Strangely enough, the RF performance of my stock > GM car stereo > > seems better. Go figure. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > I suspect his view about not using high-end interlinks for cassette may > be > > > because he, like many others in the trade, may not consider the cassette > > > medium to be good enough to warrant the use of them, like one would > > > probably not consider it worth putting a SME V arm on a Garrard SP25 MkI > > > turntable! > > > > > > Of course, leaving aside the debate about high end interlinks > themselves, I > > > think many of us would take the view that best quality cassette decks > are > > > capable of REAL high fidelity, of course. > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Aug 15 00:10:54 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 22:10:54 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Remote DIN connections Message-ID: Thanks Ron, I was just wondering as I have a spare NOS Nak OMS CD player remote. Also trying to figure out if I can make my owm wired DIN remote for the RX-505. My CR-7 is now remote controllable after you kindly supplied me with your Marantz RC5000i files, so thanks once again! Kelvin. >From: Ron >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Remote DIN connections >Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:23:02 -0400 > >winnie pooh wrote: > > > > Just wondering, as I am sure someone will know this, what is the > > configuration for the RX-505 remote? The one mentioned is for the BX/CR, >etc > > series, so how does the DIN configuration differ for the RX-505 >autoreverse? > >The answer should be easily derived from the RX-505 >schematic diagram. I downloaded it from the NakTalk >site (DjVu format), but unfortunately, couldn't open >the files with my DjVuShop.exe. > > > Also, is there any way of modifying or changing the program codes for a >CD > > player remote to the RM7C (for the CR-7)? > >I doubt it. The codes would be imbedded in the remote >chip. > >The way to add an after market remote to the CR-7 is >to get an 8 function Tx/Rx set and terminate the Rx >with an 8p DIN plug. This is at least as expensive as a >Nak RM-7C, provided it is still available for under >$100 or so. > >-- Ron > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 15 00:50:51 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 18:50:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <001801c243d6$e9661940$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <00db01c243e5$0a6247a0$b7021fac@brianm> This wouldn't be the first time it was 'borrowed"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? Have I missed something or is someone translating pages of naktalk into Russian? http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/cr/cr.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <00db01c243e5$0a6247a0$b7021fac@brianm> Message-ID: Are you sure that the Dutch site isn't the translation of the Russian site? After all TU-144 was the first supersonic airliner to fly, a few months before Concorde ... Didn't Popov invent the radio before Marconi ? Unlike the UK site which copied the NAK site, I find the RU site pretty cool, at least someone has put quite a bit of effort. The following quote from the RU site gives full credit to the NAKS site. "На этой странице Вы сможете ознакомится с большинством моделей кассетных дек этой фирмы. Для тех, кто знает английский язык, рекомендую посетить сайт http://www.naks.com, часть информации с которого легла в основу этой страницы." "On this page you can get familiar with majority of the cassette tape decks by this brand. For those who know English, we recomend visiting the http://www.naks.com site, from which part of the data was copied to this site ..." Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Wed, August 14, 2002 5:51 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Russian translation? This wouldn't be the first time it was 'borrowed"! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? Have I missed something or is someone translating pages of naktalk into Russian? http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/cr/cr.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Aug 15 12:19:56 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:19:56 +0200 Subject: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D56D1D9.11140.4FC7383@localhost> <3D574719.3000704@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D57C1DF.40AEA60@rcn.com> <000b01c2420d$006ff320$13945dd5@jannis> <3D57D088.F610A126@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002001c24445$4da11630$13945dd5@jannis> Ron can you please e-mail the the CR-7 panel layout and codes (CCF file) for the Marantz RC-5000 remote to me and who knows, I might hopefully be able to fabricate a RC for my CR7. Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > > The fellow that sold me my CR-7 had lost the remote > and so, bought me a brand new one. At the time it > was available from Nakamichi, Torrance, CA, for $85. > Try to see if they still have it, or you can have > mine for $1000 plus $99.99 S/H :-). > > Alternately, I'll be happy to provide the CR-7 > panel layout and codes (CCF file) for the Marantz > RC-5000 remote. Another possibility is an after > market remote that can be built for about $100 > (won't be as elegant, but quite functional). > > -- Ron > > > Jannis wrote: > > > > Talking about remote controls, I am in search for the cordless RM-7C, do > > you people know where I can find one? > > > > Jannis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk]OT: Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > The flea should count itself lucky for getting swatted > > > by such a high end method (which proves, once again, > > > that metaphors, when carried too far, can defeat their > > > own purpose). > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > > > > > Not if the flea can move faster than you can whilst carrying the hammer. > > > > Especially if it can get out of the range of the hose! > > > > > > > > John (must be some kind of engineer in here somewhere) > > > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: > > > > > > > > >>The problem with using a desktop PC to control an A/V system > > > > >>is that it's too much of an overkill. It must be turned on at > > > > >>all times or using it will become a real hassle. It's a little > > > > >>like using a compressed air sledge hammer to squash a flea... > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >But it sure kills the flea! > > > > > > > > > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > > >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > > > > >An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Thu Aug 15 13:42:26 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:42:26 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D20B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi, guys! No. It isn't. This Russian site is owned by a relatively well-known among local hi-end lovers "guru", who resides in Moscow and runs sort of "do it yourself" hi-end business. Occasionally, he also sells used Naks claiming to have fully restored/overhauled them, but, in fact, most of the time he only "blows the dust" off them and oils. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:49 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > Are you sure that the Dutch site isn't the translation of the Russian > site? > > After all TU-144 was the first supersonic airliner to fly, a few months > before Concorde ... Didn't Popov invent the radio before Marconi ? > > Unlike the UK site which copied the NAK site, I find the RU site pretty > cool, at least someone has put quite a bit of effort. > The following quote from the RU site gives full credit to the NAKS site. > > "?? ???? ???????? ?? ??????? ??????????? ? ???????????? ??????? ????????? > ??? ???? ?????. ??? ???, ??? ????? ?????????? ????, ?????????? ???????? > ???? , ????? ?????????? ? ???????? ????? ? ?????? > ???? ????????." > > "On this page you can get familiar with majority of the cassette tape > decks by this brand. For those who know English, we recomend visiting the > site, from which part of the data was copied to > this site ..." > > > Stan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Miller > Sent: Wed, August 14, 2002 5:51 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > > This wouldn't be the first time it was 'borrowed"! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jannis > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 5:09 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > Have I missed something or is someone translating pages of > naktalk into Russian? > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 15 17:03:01 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:03:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners References: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D5AB1FA.2CBF1E38@earthlink.net> <00b001c243d3$eb26bc60$b7021fac@brianm> <000701c243dd$6db02910$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D5BC2A5.B64DCD57@rcn.com> Jannis wrote: > > Well I am happy with my simple "Rega" tuner which sounds amazingly good. > It's only shortcoming is the limited amount of FM stations one can store in > its memory (7 presets). > > By the way we do have good FM stations here in Holland. We have cable tv > and Radio and we can also receive German, Belgian and English (BBC) FM > broadcasts. There are only two local stations in the Boston (MA, USA) area that I listen to on a regular basis, plus a few more that I visit infrequently. The best is FM102.5, that can sound awfully good or awfully bad -- depending mostly on quality of the CD they are playing. Their best is fairly close to CD quality, which is why I don't think adding a higher end tuner makes any sense for me. I listen to the tuner included in my Denon AVP-8000. I notice that I have been listening a lot more to FM since I obtained it -- it's easily the best tuner I ever owned, including the ReVox. Unfortunately, no cabling is involved -- it's internal to the prepro -- which precludes the usual discussion of cabling that costs more than a used Buick. > PS. I hope Ron will not find a reason to correct my English again :-) I plead innocence. Can't recall having corrected anyone's English lately. I hope you didn't take my diatribe concerning 'inter' plus 'links' out of its frivolous context. -- Ron > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Miller" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 10:48 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners > > > On the tuner not Jim, I purchased a Fanfare FT-1A tuner and enjoyed it for > > about a year and a half, I sold it for $1000, purchased a vintage Yamaha > T-2 > > tuner for $368 on eBay; IMO, the T-2 is better and has more options, > > although the Fanfare had balanced and remote which was nice. The Yamaha > has > > a little better reception and I believe it sounds better, it can be a bit > > tough to judge with FM. > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Volpatti" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners > > > > > > > You know, I thought the same thing: that perhaps the owner of the shop > > felt that the > > > performance of a cassette deck doesn't warrant the use of a high quality > > interconnect > > > cable. He did, however, recommend exactly that for use with tuners > though. > > Perhaps the > > > radio stations in his area transmit a higher quality signal than here in > > the San > > > Francisco bay area. > > > > > > I spent over $1000 on a nice Magnum Dynalab tuner, only to realize how > > truly bad 95% of > > > the stations sound here. Strangely enough, the RF performance of my > stock > > GM car stereo > > > seems better. Go figure. > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > > > > I suspect his view about not using high-end interlinks for cassette > may > > be > > > > because he, like many others in the trade, may not consider the > cassette > > > > medium to be good enough to warrant the use of them, like one would > > > > probably not consider it worth putting a SME V arm on a Garrard SP25 > MkI > > > > turntable! > > > > > > > > Of course, leaving aside the debate about high end interlinks > > themselves, I > > > > think many of us would take the view that best quality cassette decks > > are > > > > capable of REAL high fidelity, of course. > > > > > > > > Gra' ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 15 17:52:51 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:52:51 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D20B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: <000901c24473$d06e1bc0$3f299bca@smarzuki> Hey Nick buddy ... where have you been !! Why don't you get into M2? Thanks for the info, how do i translate the page that has sony tension meter and teac test tapes pictures on it ('maintenance page' if not mistaken) ... seems interesting with the charts and such. How are your naks doing? cheers, sm ----- Original Message ----- From: Igritski Nick To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? Hi, guys! No. It isn't. This Russian site is owned by a relatively well-known among local hi-end lovers "guru", who resides in Moscow and runs sort of "do it yourself" hi-end business. Occasionally, he also sells used Naks claiming to have fully restored/overhauled them, but, in fact, most of the time he only "blows the dust" off them and oils. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:49 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > Are you sure that the Dutch site isn't the translation of the Russian > site? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Aug 15 17:52:25 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:52:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes Message-ID: I've recently tried re-recording over some old (mid 80's) tapes. These were pretty much taped once and hardly ever listened to. The response "appears" to be disappointing. Is this to be expected? The tapes are pretty good quality (Thats/ TDK SA-X/ TDK MA-XG etc). Perhaps they were not stored well - or do you need to use "fresh" tapes for best playback? How many times can you (reasonably) re-record a tape? Any comments? KenB ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Aug 15 18:43:54 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 23:43:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners References: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D5AB1FA.2CBF1E38@earthlink.net> <00b001c243d3$eb26bc60$b7021fac@brianm> <000701c243dd$6db02910$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5BC2A5.B64DCD57@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001d01c2447a$f1f8aba0$3f299bca@smarzuki> Ron, just curious ... did you actually a/b your Denon with ReVox ? Very suprising & interesting - do you prefer Denon mostly based on the receiving portion (selectivity etc) or sound quality ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners I listen to the tuner included in my Denon AVP-8000. I notice that I have been listening a lot more to FM since I obtained it -- it's easily the best tuner I ever owned, including the ReVox. Unfortunately, no cabling is involved -- it's internal to the prepro -- which precludes the usual discussion of cabling that costs more than a used Buick. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Aug 15 17:33:02 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:33:02 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] For Ron Message-ID: <001d01c24471$0adec500$13945dd5@jannis> Thank you very much Ron but what on earth is a .ccf file extension? Which programme do I need to open this file with? Jannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 15 19:38:07 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:38:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes References: Message-ID: <3D5BE6FF.EF377596@rcn.com> Ken Bentley wrote: > > I've recently tried re-recording over some old (mid 80's) tapes. These were > pretty much taped once and hardly ever listened to. The response "appears" > to be disappointing. Is this to be expected? The tapes are pretty good > quality (Thats/ TDK SA-X/ TDK MA-XG etc). > > Perhaps they were not stored well - or do you need to use "fresh" tapes for > best playback? > > How many times can you (reasonably) re-record a tape? > > Any comments? > > KenB IME, the only fatal faults occurred with pre-recorded tapes (tapes start to squeal, or the slipsheets lose their smoothness). I have never experienced a failure of tapes bought blank. I have re-recorded the same tapes many times, with no discernible quality loss. A few of these were over 25 years old. I store tapes in drawers in my family room --airconditioned and/or heated, as necessary, when occupied, but otherwise at whatever temperature they happen to be at. I believe one may re-record tapes as many times as one wishes. Quality would start to degrade after a large number of passes through the deck (probable, well over a 100), regardless of whether recording or playing back. This would be due to either drying of base material or excessive flaking of the magnetic layer. I tend to bulk erase cassettes before a brand new recording. Supposedly, it improves S/N ratio. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 15 19:52:59 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 13:52:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners References: <01C243CB.3ED89A80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D5AB1FA.2CBF1E38@earthlink.net> <00b001c243d3$eb26bc60$b7021fac@brianm> <000701c243dd$6db02910$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5BC2A5.B64DCD57@rcn.com> <001d01c2447a$f1f8aba0$3f299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D5BEA7B.65E02574@rcn.com> No, I did not A/B -- once the Denon prepro was in place, the ReVox went into its box, never to be taken out again until sold. As to signal pulling capability, the Denon unit is possibly inconsequentially better. I don't care... I am using an indoor dipole antenna that came with the unit. The stations I listen to come in loud and clear, with full limiting. The big difference is in the sound quality. I felt the ReVox B285 tuner was OK until I noticed how much better the Denon AVP-8000 was -- cleaner, airier, with silky smooth highs. Sometimes it's hard to believe this is limited to 15KHz. I then noticed that I was listening to FM radio far more often. I also noticed a far bigger difference between various recordings and live broadcasts. All this is unusual for a prepro. These are designed for home theater, not audiophile listening. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, just curious ... did you actually a/b your Denon with ReVox ? Very > suprising & interesting - do you prefer Denon mostly based on the receiving > portion (selectivity etc) or sound quality ? > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 10:03 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Interlinks, cassette decks and tuners > > I listen to the tuner included in my Denon AVP-8000. I > notice that I have been listening a lot more to FM since > I obtained it -- it's easily the best tuner I ever owned, > including the ReVox. Unfortunately, no cabling is > involved -- it's internal to the prepro -- which precludes > the usual discussion of cabling that costs more than a > used Buick. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 15 20:14:42 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:14:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] For Ron References: <001d01c24471$0adec500$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D5BEF92.A46CA481@rcn.com> > Jannis wrote: > > Thank you very much Ron but what on earth is a .ccf file extension? Which > programme do I need to open this file with? > > Jannis Jannis, If/when you get a Philips Pronto or a Marantz RC-5000 remote control, you will know CCF files very well... These are the files that contain the screen layouts (called 'panels') and IR control codes for the various devices in the controlled system. To view a CCF file, go to: http://www.remotecentral.com/ Click on FILES, then on PHILIPS PRONTO, then on ORIGINAL PC SOFTWARE, then on MARANTZ RC SERIES. Download MARANTZ RC5000 SETUP V2.3.1 (and, if you wish, MARANTZ RC5000 SETUP V2.0 USER MANUAL). Unzip the file RC5000Setup23.ZIP and install on your PC. Invoke the program and use it to open the CCF file. By now you have probably noticed that remote Central is filled to the brim with good stuff about remote controls in general and the Marantz RC-5000 (or RC-5000i) in particular. You can download user manuals for various members of the Pronto and RC-5000 family. They make for excellent reading in dull evenings, when there is nothing noteworthy on TV. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Fri Aug 16 00:03:48 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:03:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BE8@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Ken, Same happened to me using a 1982 TDK MA90, the response was "ordinary" and had to adjust the bias so that I can get a little more treble in the sound. On the other hand I have recently used some Maxell XLII from 1975 and they were perfect...Go figure! Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bentley [mailto:kbentley at bnflinc.com] Sent: Friday, 16 August 2002 1:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes I've recently tried re-recording over some old (mid 80's) tapes. These were pretty much taped once and hardly ever listened to. The response "appears" to be disappointing. Is this to be expected? The tapes are pretty good quality (Thats/ TDK SA-X/ TDK MA-XG etc). Perhaps they were not stored well - or do you need to use "fresh" tapes for best playback? How many times can you (reasonably) re-record a tape? Any comments? KenB ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Aug 16 08:01:15 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:01:15 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Dragon (tested) selling on eBay Message-ID: <002301c244ea$55b422e0$21241ec4@private> Hi everyone,it surprises one no end the amount of tested and perfectly working machines one can buy on eBay !!!! A very good example is this Dragon which appears to be cultivating penicilene or some similiar culture ! Have a look on the adjusting knobs on Ebay#1371984095 to illustrate the thorough testing procedures employed.The mind boggles! Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Aug 16 12:50:09 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:50:09 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D20F@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I do 100% concur with Ron. Personally, I have a whole lotta tapes recorded in the early 80's. Quite recently I decided to re-record a good bunch of them (~40 or 50). The only "bad" thing about SOME (not all) of them was poor THD-figures at 0dB (~1.5%, whereas a really good tape would show <1%). This, in turn, led to reduced dynamical range, as such "bad" tapes cannot be overloaded more than +1.5-+2dB, otherwise audible distortion occured. Moreover, I VERY successfully re-recorded some tapes, which not only looked awfully, but, indeed, were used VERY hard and re-recorded at least several times (3 or 4). Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron [SMTP:ra.ah at rcn.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:38 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes > > Ken Bentley wrote: > > > > I've recently tried re-recording over some old (mid 80's) tapes. These > were > > pretty much taped once and hardly ever listened to. The response > "appears" > > to be disappointing. Is this to be expected? The tapes are pretty good > > quality (Thats/ TDK SA-X/ TDK MA-XG etc). > > > > Perhaps they were not stored well - or do you need to use "fresh" tapes > for > > best playback? > > > > How many times can you (reasonably) re-record a tape? > > > > Any comments? > > > > KenB > > IME, the only fatal faults occurred with pre-recorded > tapes (tapes start to squeal, or the slipsheets lose > their smoothness). I have never experienced a failure > of tapes bought blank. I have re-recorded the same > tapes many times, with no discernible quality loss. > A few of these were over 25 years old. > > I store tapes in drawers in my family room --airconditioned and/or heated, > as > necessary, when > occupied, but otherwise at whatever temperature they > happen to be at. > > I believe one may re-record tapes as many times as one > wishes. Quality would start to degrade after a large > number of passes through the deck (probable, well over > a 100), regardless of whether recording or playing back. > This would be due to either drying of base material or > excessive flaking of the magnetic layer. I tend to bulk > erase cassettes before a brand new recording. Supposedly, > it improves S/N ratio. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Aug 16 13:23:14 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:23:14 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D210@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Hi Salim, my friend! Hi all! In fact, I've been around all the time. I've been watching Naktalk constantly, just didn't participate. Y'know, sometimes you get so much tired of all that hi-end or something stuff, that you just don't feel like arguing, disputing, discussing anything in that area. I felt that way pretty long time, but now I seem to have regained the interest. So, I hope to start participating it this absolutely stunning (!) Talk again. You don't have to translate that page - there's nothing special written on it. Just ask me, what do you want to know - I'll tell you in my own words. On the page you mentioned, that guy demonstrates the Philistines his gadgets he allegedly uses when tuning up tape decks. And that's all about that. All the measurements are made with the help of SpectraLab - now you can understand the origin of the graphs at the bottom of that page. My Naks are doing just fine! Can't stop collecting them! Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: Salim Marzuki [SMTP:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 7:53 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > > Hey Nick buddy ... where have you been !! Why don't you get into M2? > > Thanks for the info, how do i translate the page that has sony tension > meter and teac test tapes pictures on it ('maintenance page' if not > mistaken) ... seems interesting with the charts and such. How are your > naks doing? > > cheers, > sm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Igritski Nick > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 6:42 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > Hi, guys! > > No. It isn't. This Russian site is owned by a relatively well-known > among > local hi-end lovers "guru", who resides in Moscow and runs sort of > "do it > yourself" hi-end business. Occasionally, he also sells used Naks > claiming to > have fully restored/overhauled them, but, in fact, most of the time > he only > "blows the dust" off them and oils. > > Nick > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:49 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > > > Are you sure that the Dutch site isn't the translation of the > Russian > > site? > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Fri Aug 16 15:01:15 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 08:01:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Re-use of Tapes Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0BE@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> at last!!!!!!! responses to a question i asked some weeks (months?) ago, to which there was little interest. i,too have a bunch of 70's vintage tapes, some of those slated for altered music selections. replies seem favorable, so far, so i'll be attempting a couple o' re-records in the near future. will report on the results (strickly by ear as i havent the gear to give me visual readings). relatively few topics come up from a users point of interest regarding this still thriving medium. thanx, Ken, for bringing it up & to the few who did respond to my inquiry. andy -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:52:25 -0600 From: "Ken Bentley" Subject: [naktalk] Re-use of Tapes I've recently tried re-recording over some old (mid 80's) tapes. These were pretty much taped once and hardly ever listened to. The response "appears" to be disappointing. Is this to be expected? The tapes are pretty good quality (Thats/ TDK SA-X/ TDK MA-XG etc). Perhaps they were not stored well - or do you need to use "fresh" tapes for best playback? How many times can you (reasonably) re-record a tape? Any comments? KenB ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Aug 16 17:17:12 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:17:12 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <001801c243d6$e9661940$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: >Have I missed something or is someone translating pages of naktalk into Russian? >http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/cr/cr.htm Yes, this site run by Vladimir Zimakov, very educated person. Tubes and naks fanatic. He makes many efforts to educate russian speking audiofiles and I think it has nothing to do with busienss anyway. He's simoly the GREAT GUY. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Aug 16 17:41:20 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:41:20 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D20B@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Nick Igritskiy (aka Raul Sanchez and Patrikey Tulenev), Vladimir Zimakov in fact a real guru in sound and not a person whos knowlege limited only by service manuals. We gboth (me and you) knows it well. The only reason for your letter I see is your bad reputation amongst Moskow Nak-people. Misha >Hi, guys! > >No. It isn't. This Russian site is owned by a relatively well-known among >local hi-end lovers "guru", who resides in Moscow and runs sort of "do it >yourself" hi-end business. Occasionally, he also sells used Naks claiming to >have fully restored/overhauled them, but, in fact, most of the time he only >"blows the dust" off them and oils. > >Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru Fri Aug 16 18:48:04 2002 From: Nick.Igritski at mow.siemens.ru (Igritski Nick) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:48:04 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? Message-ID: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D214@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> I'm not quite sure, whether I do have to reply something to the BS below or not, 'cos although the message is addressed to my person, I have no clue as to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about... Sorry guys, personally, I didn't intend to offend anyone. Nick > -----Original Message----- > From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:41 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? > > Nick Igritskiy (aka Raul Sanchez and Patrikey Tulenev), > > Vladimir Zimakov in fact a real guru in sound and not a person > whos knowlege limited only by service manuals. We gboth (me and you) knows > it well. > The only reason for your letter I see is your bad reputation amongst > Moskow Nak-people. > > Misha > > > >Hi, guys! > > > >No. It isn't. This Russian site is owned by a relatively well-known among > >local hi-end lovers "guru", who resides in Moscow and runs sort of "do it > >yourself" hi-end business. Occasionally, he also sells used Naks claiming > to > >have fully restored/overhauled them, but, in fact, most of the time he > only > >"blows the dust" off them and oils. > > > >Nick > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Aug 16 19:37:17 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 19:37:17 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: Message-ID: Thanks Nik, I didn't expect anything nicier. The only problem I can see with your postings it's the fact that you are wery easy talking about other person when he can not read it. But not anymore. I very hope that Vladimir will join us soon and will contribute to this mailing list. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Aug 16 20:08:30 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:08:30 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D214@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: Hi Nick, You did replay already in a private mail. And I can say again - thanks for nice words. I enjoy it much. Misha >I'm not quite sure, whether I do have to reply something to the BS below or >not, 'cos although the message is addressed to my person, I have no clue as >to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about... > >Sorry guys, personally, I didn't intend to offend anyone. > >Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Fri Aug 16 20:12:27 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:12:27 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <6134254DE87BD411908B00A0C99B044F0368D214@mowd019a.mow.siemens.ru> Message-ID: And one more for Nick. If you says that you "have no clue as to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about..." than why you saying anything about Vladimir? I know that he didn't likes you. And many others who knows you personaly. And so what? It's not alright with me if you says bad words about my friends. Especially if they can no read or hear it. And you still have no clue? Relax. Misha >I'm not quite sure, whether I do have to reply something to the BS below or >not, 'cos although the message is addressed to my person, I have no clue as >to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about... > >Sorry guys, personally, I didn't intend to offend anyone. > >Nick > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua [SMTP:MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua] >> Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:41 PM >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: RE: [naktalk] Russian translation? >> >> Nick Igritskiy (aka Raul Sanchez and Patrikey Tulenev), >> >> Vladimir Zimakov in fact a real guru in sound and not a person >> whos knowlege limited only by service manuals. We gboth (me and you) knows >> it well. >> The only reason for your letter I see is your bad reputation amongst >> Moskow Nak-people. >> >> Misha >> >> >> >Hi, guys! >> > >> >No. It isn't. This Russian site is owned by a relatively well-known among >> >local hi-end lovers "guru", who resides in Moscow and runs sort of "do it >> >yourself" hi-end business. Occasionally, he also sells used Naks claiming >> to >> >have fully restored/overhauled them, but, in fact, most of the time he >> only >> >"blows the dust" off them and oils. >> > >> >Nick ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From colem at georgetown.edu Fri Aug 16 19:22:33 2002 From: colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 13:22:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Dolby C noise reduction Message-ID: <3D5D34D9.90477C1F@georgetown.edu> Hi, I'm new to this list. I have a question for the members: Which of the Dolby C noise reduction units (NR-100 or NR-200) is suitable for use with a Nak 1000? Thanks, Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Fri Aug 16 20:19:19 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:19:19 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Message-ID: Hello Nak talkers, Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent and have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about Audiocontrol c-101? Thanks in advance Vinod _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Fri Aug 16 21:46:22 2002 From: jazzisjazz at mindspring.com (Stanley P. Pickens) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:46:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] td-700 for sale Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020816153931.01546be0@mail.mindspring.com> Hi All, I have two td-700 car units for sale. The first, I bought it from its previous owner who had decided to sell it after having it serviced by Nakamichi USA ( Reciepts for sale and service included ). He never reinstalled it after it returned to him but tested it as working before sending it to me. I tested it breifly when it arrived and it functioned properly. The second unit has two problems that I know of after having it installed in my vehicle for @ 8 mos. - 1. It does not fully load a cassette and 2. it has an scratchy/ intermittent treble control. I have recently purchased a new vehicle with a factory cd (no it doesn't sound as sweet but its very convient and I am no longer in the killer car stereo phase of life ) and have decided not to use the td-700s. If anyone is interested please respond with offers or questions offlist to me at jazzisjazz at mindspring.com Thanks, Stan Pickens ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: Vinod Kumar [SMTP:vvinodk at hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:19 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Hello Nak talkers, Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent and have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about Audiocontrol c-101? Thanks in advance Vinod _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Cole" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Dolby C noise reduction > Hi, > > I'm new to this list. I have a question for the members: > > Which of the Dolby C noise reduction units (NR-100 or NR-200) is > suitable for use with a Nak 1000? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Aug 16 21:57:58 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:57:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: Message-ID: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> There are only three EQ's that I would remotely consider worthy of using in a highend system- the DBX 20/20 & 14/20 and the Yamaha Q2031(pro line unit). Even with these, though, I would personally feel compelled to do some internal upgrading if I was planning to give them a permanent place in my system. The Audio Control is better than average, and pretty reliable, but the DBX & Yamaha units mentioned are in a whole different league. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > Hello Nak talkers, > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent and > have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about > Audiocontrol c-101? > > Thanks in advance > > Vinod > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sat Aug 17 14:50:54 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 16:50:54 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15702.020817@mtu-net.ru> Hello Michael, If somebody have have medical or behaviour trouble or something similar he should talk with a DOCTOR. If somebody like or don't like somebody - this is a private question. If somebody want to satisfy himself - he should call 8-xxx-xxxxxx and not to Naktalk! I don't want to participate in dirty debate with Nick, because of his sad reputation among NAK people in Moscow. Sorry, but in his case average engineer is equivalent to a not very good person, sorry again. A few words about my RUSSIAN NAK PAGES and UNOFFICIAL SERVICE 1. First of all, my pages were inspired and are based on www.naks.com and I have informed owners in time (year or more ago) 2. Also I have more information about Nakamichi and also have my own articles in Russian about Nakamichi cassette decks. Sooner or later I'll translate them to English and these materials will be available on my site. 3. It is not a problem to me to order spare parts for NAKs decks in USA and Germany, through my high-end business partners. But often it is very stupid and not honest to fix minor tape-transport problem with such investments. Each generation of NAK's mechanism have few week parts, and also several tip's and tricks are available to improve it perfomance and to fix minor problems. I have a lot of sutisfied customers not only in Moscow and some of them bring to me their NAKs for further upgrades and extremly fine tuning. Because my service is unofficial, I am free to make any tuning and changes to original product I like. This is like car-tuning. My BMW has exciting chip tuning, not approoved by Official BMW Dealer, and made by one of Racing Teams and i'm very, very sutisfied with result. The same situation is with tuned NAKs. But customer always is right - if he want to buy original second hand in a virgin condition with minimum investments, he will recieve it cleaned, oiled and tuned to 100% factory specification. Regards, Vladimir. пятница, 16 августа 2002, you wrote to me: MM> Hi Nick, MM> You did replay already in a private mail. And I can say again - thanks for nice words. MM> I enjoy it much. MM> Misha >>I'm not quite sure, whether I do have to reply something to the BS below or >>not, 'cos although the message is addressed to my person, I have no clue as >>to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about... >> >>Sorry guys, personally, I didn't intend to offend anyone. >> >>Nick MM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= MM> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. MM> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html MM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanks, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" Date: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:53 pm Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Dolby C noise reduction > You'll need an NR200, as the NR100 has no calibration trimmers & > is designed > for strictly -10dBV in & out for the processor loops of the ZXL/ZXE > machines. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.co > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Cole" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 1:22 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Nak 1000 Dolby C noise reduction > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm new to this list. I have a question for the members: > > > > Which of the Dolby C noise reduction units (NR-100 or NR-200) is > > suitable for use with a Nak 1000? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deckresource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html> > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------== > ======= > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------- > -------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html========--------------------------- > ---------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Aug 17 15:36:56 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:36:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? References: <15702.020817@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <3D5E5178.1050603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Michael,Vladimir, Nick I don't know what any of this is about - and it seems to have little to do with the subject of this site. Could you sort this irrelevant Russian catfight out off-line, and stop wasting everyone else's time? John, exasperated Vladimir wrote: >Hello Michael, > >If somebody have have medical or behaviour trouble or something >similar he should talk with a DOCTOR. If somebody like or >don't like somebody - this is a private question. If somebody want to >satisfy himself - he should call 8-xxx-xxxxxx and not to Naktalk! >I don't want to participate in dirty debate with Nick, because of his >sad reputation among NAK people in Moscow. Sorry, but in his case >average engineer is equivalent to a not very good person, sorry again. > >A few words about my RUSSIAN NAK PAGES and UNOFFICIAL SERVICE > >1. First of all, my pages were inspired and are based on www.naks.com >and I have informed owners in time (year or more ago) >2. Also I have more information about Nakamichi and also have my own >articles in Russian about Nakamichi cassette decks. Sooner or later I'll translate >them to English and these materials will be available on my site. >3. It is not a problem to me to order spare parts for NAKs decks in >USA and Germany, through my high-end business partners. But often it >is very stupid and not honest to fix minor tape-transport problem with such >investments. Each generation of NAK's mechanism have few week parts, >and also several tip's and tricks are available to improve it >perfomance and to fix minor problems. I have a lot of sutisfied >customers not only in Moscow and some of them bring to me their NAKs >for further upgrades and extremly fine tuning. Because my service is >unofficial, I am free to make any tuning and changes to original >product I like. This is like car-tuning. My BMW has exciting chip >tuning, not approoved by Official BMW Dealer, and made by one of Racing >Teams and i'm very, very sutisfied with result. The same situation is >with tuned NAKs. But customer always is right - if he want to buy >original second hand in a virgin condition with minimum investments, he >will recieve it cleaned, oiled and tuned to 100% factory >specification. > >Regards, Vladimir. > >пятница, 16 августа 2002, you wrote to me: > >MM> Hi Nick, > >MM> You did replay already in a private mail. And I can say again - thanks for nice words. >MM> I enjoy it much. > >MM> Misha > > > >>>I'm not quite sure, whether I do have to reply something to the BS below or >>>not, 'cos although the message is addressed to my person, I have no clue as >>>to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about... >>> >>>Sorry guys, personally, I didn't intend to offend anyone. >>> >>>Nick >>> >>> > > > >MM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >MM> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >MM> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >MM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > >Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 17 16:37:58 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:37:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: Message-ID: <3D5E5FC6.44224EC5@rcn.com> Vinod Kumar wrote: > > Hello Nak talkers, > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent and > have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about > Audiocontrol c-101? > > Thanks in advance > > Vinod I do not know the Audio Control unit, so take the following as a general comment on equalizers. Equalizers will generally improve a sound system, provided they are applied correctly. (The most common problem is over-equalization). They are effective in correcting room acoustics or taming speaker response abberations. However, there can be serious room problems (strong standing waves, for example) that cannot be corrected by equalization; in such cases, one tends to over-correct (in vain) and winds up doing more harm than good. IME, even a poor equalizer can improve even a high end system. To test for this, simply adjust the equalizer correctly, then play a good recording and switch the equalizer in and out. Even though the equalizer may muddy the sound, it can still result in an *overall* improvement. In my own system, I am using el-cheapo equalizers (BSR EQ-3000, that I intend to upgrade as soon as I get round tuit); there is no question they are not up to the quality of the rest of the equipment, yet mild use (less than 6 db at most) does improve the over system sound. Most equalizers will tend to color the sound. In general, this coloration is minimized at the center points. While it is possible to design phase linear equalizers with high end circuitry that reduce or eliminate coloration, these will tend to be expensive. One should choose an equalizer based on sound quality at maximum settings (ignoring response for the test), but then avoid over-equalization for actual use. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Aug 17 16:43:09 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:43:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> Message-ID: <3D5E60FD.37112E22@rcn.com> Stephen, Are you familiar with the Rane ME-60? They are slightly more expensive than the Yamaha you recommend. A pen pal that uses the Rane in his home studio says they are superb. What do you think? Assuming I get get a couple of those at $300 a piece, what would you recommend as upgrade (on top of replacing opamps and eliminating as many caps as possible?). TIA, -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > There are only three EQ's that I would remotely consider worthy of using in > a highend system- the DBX 20/20 & 14/20 and the Yamaha Q2031(pro line unit). > Even with these, though, I would personally feel compelled to do some > internal upgrading if I was planning to give them a permanent place in my > system. The Audio Control is better than average, and pretty reliable, but > the DBX & Yamaha units mentioned are in a whole different league. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vinod Kumar" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:19 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > > Hello Nak talkers, > > > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent > and > > have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about > > Audiocontrol c-101? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Vinod ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sat Aug 17 17:07:10 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 19:07:10 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] Russian translation? In-Reply-To: <3D5E5178.1050603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> References: <3D5E5178.1050603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <6796.020817@mtu-net.ru> Hello John, No further online debates, only about NAKs. 100% agree. Best regards. Vladimir. суббота, 17 августа 2002, you wrote to me: JW> Michael,Vladimir, Nick JW> I don't know what any of this is about - and it seems to have little to JW> do with the subject of this site. Could you sort this irrelevant JW> Russian catfight out off-line, and stop wasting everyone else's time? JW> John, exasperated JW> Vladimir wrote: >>Hello Michael, >> >>If somebody have have medical or behaviour trouble or something >>similar he should talk with a DOCTOR. If somebody like or >>don't like somebody - this is a private question. If somebody want to >>satisfy himself - he should call 8-xxx-xxxxxx and not to Naktalk! >>I don't want to participate in dirty debate with Nick, because of his >>sad reputation among NAK people in Moscow. Sorry, but in his case >>average engineer is equivalent to a not very good person, sorry again. >> >>A few words about my RUSSIAN NAK PAGES and UNOFFICIAL SERVICE >> >>1. First of all, my pages were inspired and are based on www.naks.com >>and I have informed owners in time (year or more ago) >>2. Also I have more information about Nakamichi and also have my own >>articles in Russian about Nakamichi cassette decks. Sooner or later I'll translate >>them to English and these materials will be available on my site. >>3. It is not a problem to me to order spare parts for NAKs decks in >>USA and Germany, through my high-end business partners. But often it >>is very stupid and not honest to fix minor tape-transport problem with such >>investments. Each generation of NAK's mechanism have few week parts, >>and also several tip's and tricks are available to improve it >>perfomance and to fix minor problems. I have a lot of sutisfied >>customers not only in Moscow and some of them bring to me their NAKs >>for further upgrades and extremly fine tuning. Because my service is >>unofficial, I am free to make any tuning and changes to original >>product I like. This is like car-tuning. My BMW has exciting chip >>tuning, not approoved by Official BMW Dealer, and made by one of Racing >>Teams and i'm very, very sutisfied with result. The same situation is >>with tuned NAKs. But customer always is right - if he want to buy >>original second hand in a virgin condition with minimum investments, he >>will recieve it cleaned, oiled and tuned to 100% factory >>specification. >> >>Regards, Vladimir. >> >>пятница, 16 августа 2002, you wrote to me: >> >>MM> Hi Nick, >> >>MM> You did replay already in a private mail. And I can say again - thanks for nice words. >>MM> I enjoy it much. >> >>MM> Misha >> >> >> >>>>I'm not quite sure, whether I do have to reply something to the BS below or >>>>not, 'cos although the message is addressed to my person, I have no clue as >>>>to what this guy (Misha or something) is talking about... >>>> >>>>Sorry guys, personally, I didn't intend to offend anyone. >>>> >>>>Nick >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >>MM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>MM> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>MM> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>MM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> >>Best regards, >> Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> >> >> JW> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= JW> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Sat Aug 17 18:24:26 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 18:24:26 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> Message-ID: <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> Does anyone have the schematics and whatever else one needs in order to build a RM-7C? Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > Carlos, > > I bet that you can build a remote yourself... > > For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box > (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push > button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar > number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable > and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic > from the service manual. > > IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the > transmitter must match the built in receiver. But > some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for > about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability > to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a > round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be > connected to the wired remote input on the deck. > > -- Ron > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > Hey John: > > > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > > ! > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Walker" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > Zsoph > > > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components that > > > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > > > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a 19inch > > > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it to > > > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > > > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are easy > > > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > > > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > > > > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > > > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the wired > > > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > > > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > > > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > > > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > > > of gear in the room! > > > > > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit City > > for > > > >your Nak remote. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Roland Alford" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > > reading > > > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION with > > > >> > > > >> > > > >YOUR > > > > > > > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. Collectively > > > >> > > > >> > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > >> > > > >>Roland > > > >> > > > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Marc at Stager.com Sat Aug 17 18:52:07 2002 From: Marc at Stager.com (Marc Stager) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:52:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817123606.01500c00@incoming.verizon.net> Equalization should be the last fix applied if the sound in your listening seems less than perfect. First, choose your speakers with care and place them in the best possible position on the floor, or on rigid stands, as far from the walls as possible. Treat the room by use of carpeting and drapes and acoustical material, if possible, and position your listening spot between the speakers, away from a wall behind you. Most acoustical faults are in the time, not frequency domain of the sound emanating from speakers - though they result in nulls in the frequency response. Often, adjusting the tilt of the speakers to bring the bass and treble into proper time alignment at your listening position is all you'll need. Taking the speakers off the floor will reduce boom from the coupling of the cabinet to the floor. Using spikes will improve mid and high freq. definition by reducing the fore and aft motions, microscopic though they may be, which smear the upper frequencies, particularly when the woofer is pumping a strong bass. Bottom line: ERRORS IN THE TIME DOMAIN CANNOT BE CORRECTED IN THE FREQUENCY DOMAIN. Get the time alignment right FIRST, then get the frequency response smoothed out by room treatment. Lastly, and only if absolutely necessary, apply broad-band EQ. If you use EQ, use broadband (10 octave or less) rather than 'third octave EQ, The fewer the hinge points, the lower the sum of phase errors The Rane ME-60 is a stereo 'third octave unit, good for wringing out feedback from stage monitors, but not advisable if your objective is musically pleasing reproduction in the home. If you must use EQ, make the adjacent stages within 3 dB of each other. Crazy curves may show a flatter response on your RTA but they will do serious damage to the phase response, making things worse, not better. Just another example where insufficient measurement will mislead you. Use your ears. In my studio I use a pair Urei 527 EQ's, used very sparingly, into a an updated H-K Citation II and then pair of JBL L-112's. The speakers were first carefully adjusted for time and frequency response using pink noise by adjusting their angle and level settings on their L-pads. Then acoustical material was placed behind them to eliminate the slap from a plaster wall. Only then was equalization applied, and the result was a true 3dB tolerance from 60 to 15K at the mixing position, measured on a Gold Line GL30 RTA. http://marc.stager.com/misc/studio.jpg Those Ampex pre's have been moved into a rack to the left of the board, and yes, that's a hot-rodded Nak 582 sitting above the Neotek mixing board. A Tascam 122 II sits above the Dolby rack. ________________ Marc Stager PS. My other stereo, using the best source material available; Not CD or SACD or tape or vinyl, but some of New York's top musicians playing live. Pure analog, of course: http://naumburgconcerts.org ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smoke at snip.net Sat Aug 17 19:38:11 2002 From: smoke at snip.net (John M. Smokevitch) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:38:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817123606.01500c00@incoming.verizon.net> Message-ID: <3D5E8A03.4E41CD70@snip.net> Marc, Good to hear from you, it's been awhile. That was a wonderful post with a great picture of your studio. John Marc Stager wrote: > Equalization should be the last fix applied if the sound in your listening > seems less than perfect. > > First, choose your speakers with care and place them in the best possible > position on the floor, or on rigid stands, as far from the walls as possible. > Treat the room by use of carpeting and drapes and acoustical material, if > possible, and position your listening spot between the speakers, away > from a wall behind you. > > Most acoustical faults are in the time, not frequency domain of the sound > emanating from speakers - though they result in nulls in the frequency > response. Often, adjusting the tilt of the speakers to bring the bass and > treble > into proper time alignment at your listening position is all you'll need. > Taking the speakers off the floor will reduce boom from the coupling of the > cabinet to the floor. Using spikes will improve mid and high freq. definition > by reducing the fore and aft motions, microscopic though they may be, which > smear the upper frequencies, particularly when the woofer is pumping a strong > bass. Bottom line: ERRORS IN THE TIME DOMAIN CANNOT BE CORRECTED > IN THE FREQUENCY DOMAIN. Get the time alignment right FIRST, then get > the frequency response smoothed out by room treatment. Lastly, and only > if absolutely necessary, apply broad-band EQ. > > If you use EQ, use broadband (10 octave or less) rather than 'third octave EQ, > The fewer the hinge points, the lower the sum of phase errors The Rane ME-60 > is a stereo 'third octave unit, good for wringing out feedback from stage > monitors, > but not advisable if your objective is musically pleasing reproduction in > the home. > If you must use EQ, make the adjacent stages within 3 dB of each other. Crazy > curves may show a flatter response on your RTA but they will do serious > damage to the phase response, making things worse, not better. Just another > example where insufficient measurement will mislead you. Use your ears. > > In my studio I use a pair Urei 527 EQ's, used very sparingly, into a an updated > H-K Citation II and then pair of JBL L-112's. The speakers were first carefully > adjusted for time and frequency response using pink noise by adjusting their > angle and level settings on their L-pads. Then acoustical material was placed > behind them to eliminate the slap from a plaster wall. Only then was > equalization applied, and the result was a true 3dB tolerance from 60 to 15K > at the mixing position, measured on a Gold Line GL30 RTA. > http://marc.stager.com/misc/studio.jpg > > Those Ampex pre's have been moved into a rack to the left of the board, and > yes, > that's a hot-rodded Nak 582 sitting above the Neotek mixing board. A Tascam > 122 II sits above the Dolby rack. > > ________________ Marc Stager > > PS. My other stereo, using the best source material available; > Not CD or SACD or tape or vinyl, but some of New York's top > musicians playing live. Pure analog, of course: > http://naumburgconcerts.org > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 17 23:39:14 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:39:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> <3D5E60FD.37112E22@rcn.com> Message-ID: <008501c24636$886824a0$e1f53fd0@oemcomputer> First of all I think this is a usefull program for trying to set up your speakers http://www.audioxpress.com/bksprods/sotware/sof-cara.htm the next question is why you want an eq if its for "fixing" recordings I think something like the audio control placed in a tape loop so it could be switched in and out of the signal path would be a cheap and easy solution. Something like the cello audio palette would be the expensive but better solution. However if it was to fix room modes etc. I would lean towards something like the rane RPM 22 dsp processor since you can make up as many parametric eq's for each channel as you need and define them anyway you want. you can also correct for time delay between the channels if you have your speakers set up asymetrically etc. And the unit has mutipile memories so you could set up an audiophile mode and a party mode. http://www.rane.com/rpm22.html my two cents Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 17 23:46:27 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:46:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <01C24566.E73B5040.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <00c101c24637$8a27b980$e1f53fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Graham did you ever find the sme parts you were looking for? a graphic eq might fix the 78's sound a bit but a proper phono stage eq for 78's (that is not riaa) would be better take care Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > Hi Vinod > > It depends on what you are trying to achieve, I think. The perceived > wisdom is that anything you put into the line in between source and the amp > will degrade the sound. However, if you want to play 78 rpm records, > others would say that having a graphic equalizer is essential for > re-adjusting the sound back to as it was when it was originally recorded. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vinod Kumar [SMTP:vvinodk at hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > Hello Nak talkers, > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent and > have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about > Audiocontrol c-101? > > Thanks in advance > > Vinod > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Aug 17 23:30:36 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 17:30:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> <3D5E60FD.37112E22@rcn.com> Message-ID: <006d01c24635$586b8e50$3b3442cf@sank2> I do like Rane stuff, usually. But the ME60 topic came up on rec.audio.pro quite recently & several people whom I know & respect said that it was pretty noisy. What I really like about the old Yamaha Q2031 is a)it has virtually no gain stages, b)has variable subsonic filter, and c)can select up/down range of 6dB or 12dB up or down. That last one is pretty darn nice, especially for those sensible people who a subtle with eq use, where +/-6dB range is great. The Q1031 mono version of the same does not have that feature. The two DBX units I mentioned, 14/20 & 20/20, which both can function as automatic room equalisers, are unique in having extremely low phase shift, even when used severely. These are highly prized & expensive on ebay, etc., though, whereas the Yamaha is known only in pro circles & is therefore cheap. Certainly, in a good system, I'd want to upgrade the power supplies, opamps & coupling caps in any of these units, of which the Yamaha would need the least amount of work, being both much newer & simpler. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > > Stephen, > > Are you familiar with the Rane ME-60? They are slightly > more expensive than the Yamaha you recommend. A pen pal > that uses the Rane in his home studio says they are superb. > What do you think? Assuming I get get a couple of those at > $300 a piece, what would you recommend as upgrade (on top > of replacing opamps and eliminating as many caps as > possible?). > > TIA, > > -- Ron > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > There are only three EQ's that I would remotely consider worthy of using in > > a highend system- the DBX 20/20 & 14/20 and the Yamaha Q2031(pro line unit). > > Even with these, though, I would personally feel compelled to do some > > internal upgrading if I was planning to give them a permanent place in my > > system. The Audio Control is better than average, and pretty reliable, but > > the DBX & Yamaha units mentioned are in a whole different league. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Vinod Kumar" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:19 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > > > > Hello Nak talkers, > > > > > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > > > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent > > and > > > have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think about > > > Audiocontrol c-101? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > Vinod > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 18 01:50:21 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 00:50:21 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Message-ID: <01C24651.52D85600.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Hi Warren The Emporium in Suffolk are (I hope!) going to renovate the SME arm for me. They can manufacture the counter-weights, machining them out of brass or steel, apparently at a cost of around ?25 each (which seems reasonable), although the arm needs a bit more work on it than that. They also offer a (silver) re-wiring service for SME 3012 and 3009s ... I may take that up, too ... if the budget will go that far! Phono eq stage for 78's? Tell me more! Esoteric Sound make an equaliser specifically for 78s but I don't think this is the same thing. My impression is that their equaliser is like any other (although they claim it to be audiophile quality) but they give instructions on the different eq. settings to be used for each 78 record label (and different date of production for them, too, as they also give the different speeds for the different labels, since few were actually recorded @ 78 rpm but either slightly faster or slightly slower... and in some cases quite a bit faster! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Warren [SMTP:wtremain at bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:46 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Hi Graham did you ever find the sme parts you were looking for? a graphic eq might fix the 78's sound a bit but a proper phono stage eq for 78's (that is not riaa) would be better take care Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > Hi Vinod > > It depends on what you are trying to achieve, I think. The perceived > wisdom is that anything you put into the line in between source and the amp > will degrade the sound. However, if you want to play 78 rpm records, > others would say that having a graphic equalizer is essential for > re-adjusting the sound back to as it was when it was originally recorded. > > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vinod Kumar [SMTP:vvinodk at hotmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 7:19 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > Hello Nak talkers, > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great extent and > have also heard that the sound will be colored. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 18 08:01:05 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:01:05 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020817123606.01500c00@incoming.verizon.net> <3D5E8A03.4E41CD70@snip.net> Message-ID: <3D5F3821.7080200@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> John, Marc, Vinod I agree entirely about concentrating on the time domain - after all, the direct path sound is what we get most of the information from, and that does not need *any* EQ (and it certainly does not need the phase shifts that an EQ circuit will add.). Following up your piece on the Naumburg concerts, I recently took my two young children to a children's concert given in the 13th Century church at Cerne Abbas, Dorset, by the Gaudier Ensemble (http://www.gaudier.co.uk/). The sound was wonderful, with hardly any electronic enhancement needed. (The narrator was miked, but the instruments were all au naturel) John Walker John M. Smokevitch wrote: >Marc, Good to hear from you, it's been awhile. That was a wonderful post with a great >picture of your studio. > >John > >Marc Stager wrote: > > > >>Equalization should be the last fix applied if the sound in your listening >>seems less than perfect. >> >>First, choose your speakers with care and place them in the best possible >>position on the floor, or on rigid stands, as far from the walls as possible. >>Treat the room by use of carpeting and drapes and acoustical material, if >>possible, and position your listening spot between the speakers, away >>from a wall behind you. >> >>Most acoustical faults are in the time, not frequency domain of the sound >>emanating from speakers - though they result in nulls in the frequency >>response. Often, adjusting the tilt of the speakers to bring the bass and >>treble >>into proper time alignment at your listening position is all you'll need. >>Taking the speakers off the floor will reduce boom from the coupling of the >>cabinet to the floor. Using spikes will improve mid and high freq. definition >>by reducing the fore and aft motions, microscopic though they may be, which >>smear the upper frequencies, particularly when the woofer is pumping a strong >>bass. Bottom line: ERRORS IN THE TIME DOMAIN CANNOT BE CORRECTED >>IN THE FREQUENCY DOMAIN. Get the time alignment right FIRST, then get >>the frequency response smoothed out by room treatment. Lastly, and only >>if absolutely necessary, apply broad-band EQ. >> >>If you use EQ, use broadband (10 octave or less) rather than 'third octave EQ, >>The fewer the hinge points, the lower the sum of phase errors The Rane ME-60 >>is a stereo 'third octave unit, good for wringing out feedback from stage >>monitors, >>but not advisable if your objective is musically pleasing reproduction in >>the home. >>If you must use EQ, make the adjacent stages within 3 dB of each other. Crazy >>curves may show a flatter response on your RTA but they will do serious >>damage to the phase response, making things worse, not better. Just another >>example where insufficient measurement will mislead you. Use your ears. >> >>In my studio I use a pair Urei 527 EQ's, used very sparingly, into a an updated >>H-K Citation II and then pair of JBL L-112's. The speakers were first carefully >>adjusted for time and frequency response using pink noise by adjusting their >>angle and level settings on their L-pads. Then acoustical material was placed >>behind them to eliminate the slap from a plaster wall. Only then was >>equalization applied, and the result was a true 3dB tolerance from 60 to 15K >>at the mixing position, measured on a Gold Line GL30 RTA. >>http://marc.stager.com/misc/studio.jpg >> >>Those Ampex pre's have been moved into a rack to the left of the board, and >>yes, >>that's a hot-rodded Nak 582 sitting above the Neotek mixing board. A Tascam >>122 II sits above the Dolby rack. >> >>________________ Marc Stager >> >>PS. My other stereo, using the best source material available; >>Not CD or SACD or tape or vinyl, but some of New York's top >>musicians playing live. Pure analog, of course: >>http://naumburgconcerts.org >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Aug 18 08:46:42 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 07:46:42 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> <3D5E60FD.37112E22@rcn.com> <008501c24636$886824a0$e1f53fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D5F42D2.6030305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> The Rane device puts an analogue-to-digital converter and digital-to-analogue converter in to your precious analogue signal chain. The converters are 24-bit (which is fine) and sample at 48 kHz (which might not be). I have never heard a Rane equaliser - it looks a serious piece of equipment. Does anyone know what it sounds like? Wouldn't the computer needed to control it be obtrusive (audible) in a domestic set-up? John Walker Warren wrote: >First of all I think this is a usefull program for trying to set up your speakers >http://www.audioxpress.com/bksprods/sotware/sof-cara.htm >the next question is why you want an eq if its for "fixing" recordings I think >something like the audio control placed in a tape loop so it could be switched in and >out of the signal path would be a cheap and easy solution. Something like >the cello audio palette would be the expensive but better solution. >However if it was to fix room modes etc. I would lean towards something >like the rane RPM 22 dsp processor since you can make up as many >parametric eq's for each channel as you need and define them anyway you want. >you can also correct for time delay between the channels if you have your speakers >set up asymetrically etc. And the unit has mutipile memories so you could set up >an audiophile mode and a party mode. >http://www.rane.com/rpm22.html >my two cents >Warren > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 18 15:20:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:20:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> <3D5E60FD.37112E22@rcn.com> <008501c24636$886824a0$e1f53fd0@oemcomputer> <3D5F42D2.6030305@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D5F9F02.27FD1E07@rcn.com> My thought, exactly. What's the point of paying through the nose for high end equipment that runs at 192KHz, then following it with an equalizer that reconverts A to D, then back again D to A -- both at 48KHz? Another point is that, while digital processing does offer some advantages, in essence it also suffers from all the problems of analog processing: phase shift, coloration, muddied sound, etc. Finally: I have not been able to find pricing for the RPM xx equalizers, but suspect they are seriously more expensive than the better analog counterparts. Does anyone know their prices? -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > The Rane device puts an analogue-to-digital converter and > digital-to-analogue converter in to your precious analogue signal chain. > The converters are 24-bit (which is fine) and sample at 48 kHz (which > might not be). I have never heard a Rane equaliser - it looks a serious > piece of equipment. Does anyone know what it sounds like? Wouldn't the > computer needed to control it be obtrusive (audible) in a domestic set-up? > > John Walker > > Warren wrote: > > >First of all I think this is a usefull program for trying to set up your speakers > >http://www.audioxpress.com/bksprods/sotware/sof-cara.htm > >the next question is why you want an eq if its for "fixing" recordings I think > >something like the audio control placed in a tape loop so it could be switched in and > >out of the signal path would be a cheap and easy solution. Something like > >the cello audio palette would be the expensive but better solution. > >However if it was to fix room modes etc. I would lean towards something > >like the rane RPM 22 dsp processor since you can make up as many > >parametric eq's for each channel as you need and define them anyway you want. > >you can also correct for time delay between the channels if you have your speakers > >set up asymetrically etc. And the unit has mutipile memories so you could set up > >an audiophile mode and a party mode. > >http://www.rane.com/rpm22.html > >my two cents > >Warren > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 18 15:38:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:38:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer References: <002b01c2455f$3ed87ce0$023442cf@sank2> <3D5E60FD.37112E22@rcn.com> <006d01c24635$586b8e50$3b3442cf@sank2> Message-ID: <3D5FA340.D60A7777@rcn.com> Can't argue, but I *am* surprised. The ME-60 Noise plus THD is specified at 0.008% -- hardly a noisy unit. Like the Yamaha unit, it has a low cut filter, plus a high cut one. There is only a single gain stage (all other active stages are either filters or deal with balanced I/O) -- which is why I liked it; at least, on paper. At any rate, all this is immaterial -- the ME-60s that I was looking at have been sold. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > I do like Rane stuff, usually. But the ME60 topic came up on rec.audio.pro > quite recently & several people whom I know & respect said that it was > pretty noisy. What I really like about the old Yamaha Q2031 is a)it has > virtually no gain stages, b)has variable subsonic filter, and c)can select > up/down range of 6dB or 12dB up or down. That last one is pretty darn nice, > especially for those sensible people who a subtle with eq use, where +/-6dB > range is great. The Q1031 mono version of the same does not have that > feature. The two DBX units I mentioned, 14/20 & 20/20, which both can > function as automatic room equalisers, are unique in having extremely low > phase shift, even when used severely. These are highly prized & expensive > on ebay, etc., though, whereas the Yamaha is known only in pro circles & is > therefore cheap. Certainly, in a good system, I'd want to upgrade the power > supplies, opamps & coupling caps in any of these units, of which the Yamaha > would need the least amount of work, being both much newer & simpler. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 10:43 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > > > > > > Stephen, > > > > Are you familiar with the Rane ME-60? They are slightly > > more expensive than the Yamaha you recommend. A pen pal > > that uses the Rane in his home studio says they are superb. > > What do you think? Assuming I get get a couple of those at > > $300 a piece, what would you recommend as upgrade (on top > > of replacing opamps and eliminating as many caps as > > possible?). > > > > TIA, > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > There are only three EQ's that I would remotely consider worthy of using > in > > > a highend system- the DBX 20/20 & 14/20 and the Yamaha Q2031(pro line > unit). > > > Even with these, though, I would personally feel compelled to do some > > > internal upgrading if I was planning to give them a permanent place in > my > > > system. The Audio Control is better than average, and pretty reliable, > but > > > the DBX & Yamaha units mentioned are in a whole different league. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Vinod Kumar" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:19 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer > > > > > > > Hello Nak talkers, > > > > > > > > Wondering what do you all think about adding Graphic Equalizers to the > > > > system? I hear people say that they enhance the sound to a great > extent > > > and > > > > have also heard that the sound will be colored. What you all think > about > > > > Audiocontrol c-101? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > > > Vinod ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 18 16:20:17 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:20:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> The RM-7C schematic and PCB layout appear on page 41 of the CR-7 service manual. While very simple, it unfortunately contains a Nakamichi ASIC that I doubt is available. In my post below, I did not mean for anyone to build an exact replica of the RM-7C. What I suggested was that one obtain an after market 8 function remote control and adapt it to the CR-7. This would come in two pieces: the transmitter (what people normally refer to as 'remote control') and a receiver. The latter is a small box that contains an IR sensor. It sits next to the CR-7 and has a short cable that plugs into the CR-7 remote control jack. This way, while the after market remote does not duplicate the exact RM-7C IR codes, it still exactly duplicates their functionality. I estimate that such an after market remote would cost, all told, around $100. It would require some DIY capability. While probably not as elegant as the original RM-7C, it should be just as functional. As an example, take a look at K6710 and K6711 Velleman kits (http://www.velleman.be/). These are an overkill (15 functions), but you get the idea. I am sure there are similar, lower cost, manufacturers in your neck of the woods. Note that you will have to wire the receiver outputs to an 8p DIN plug, to fit the CR-7. And make sure the receiver can operate off a 12VDC supply, since this is what the CR-7 puts out. Good luck, -- Ron Jannis wrote: > > Does anyone have the schematics and whatever else one needs in order to > build a RM-7C? > > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2002 6:29 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > Carlos, > > > > I bet that you can build a remote yourself... > > > > For the wired remote, you need a nice hand-held box > > (about $6 in the US), a half dozen or so soft push > > button switches (2 or 3 bucks apiece) and a similar > > number of diodes. Add to that multi-conductor cable > > and a DIN plug and hook it up based on the schematic > > from the service manual. > > > > IR remotes are a bit more difficult, since the > > transmitter must match the built in receiver. But > > some time ago I got a receiver/transmitter kit for > > about $50 (I intended to add remote control capability > > to my ReVox TT and still plan to -- as soon as I get a > > round tuit). Building it was a cinch and it can be > > connected to the wired remote input on the deck. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > El Magnifico wrote: > > > > > > Hey John: > > > > > > Can I order one of those custom made remotes you say you can build ? > > > ! > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John Walker" > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 6:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > Zsoph > > > > For a thousand bucks, I will gladly make you one, using components > that > > > > will cost one tenth of that asking price.(And I will buy all the bits > > > > from the UK equivalent of Radio Shack.) I can even put it into a > 19inch > > > > rack mount case and write 'professional' on the front if you want it > to > > > > be exclusive. The value of Nak gear lies within the transports, heads > > > > and electronics of the decks themselves, not ancilliaries that are > easy > > > > to reproduce yourself. Did Nakamichi put its logo onto a power cord? > > > > Would you pay US$1000 for one? > > > > > > > > Nelsonh has a solid feedback record, and seems to specialise in remote > > > > controlled cars. Looking through some earlier Naktalk on this, the > wired > > > > remotes used to sell for US$85. I believe that Nelsonh has heard about > > > > the prices that good Nak gear can command, and is seeing if there are > > > > any takers at a very, very,very high asking price. Steer clear unless > > > > you absolutely, positively gotta have the Nak logo on every last piece > > > > of gear in the room! > > > > > > > > John (with apologies to Quentin Tarantino, the CR7 of film directors) > > > > > > > > zsoph wrote: > > > > > > > > >Hey all you naktalk know it alls, try to got to Best Buy or Circuit > City > > > for > > > > >your Nak remote. > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Roland Alford" > > > > >To: > > > > >Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 12:15 PM > > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Hey guys, be careful of this auction for the Nak Remotes. If I am > > > reading > > > > >>it right, it is NOT $1,000 for all 10 remotes, but a DUTCH AUCTION > with > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >YOUR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>CHOICE OF ONE OF THE TEN for the starting bid of $1,000. > Collectively > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>would mean a minimium cost of $10,000. The guys is nuts. > > > > >> > > > > >>Roland > > > > >> > > > > >>http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1372374541 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 18 17:21:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 16:21:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Marathon Tape 2 Message-ID: <01C246D3.56A20E20.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Guys There's been a delay. It seems Jim sent the cassette to Eddy but, for some queer reason, it was returned undelivered. We are now (as discussed previously) skirting around Belgium and going back there later upon Eddy's return from holiday. That's all from me at the Home for the Bewildered Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Aug 18 18:12:47 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:12:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001201c246d2$17f20a50$3db5b742@pii366custom> The RM7c has azimuth control on it's wireless remote. Aftermarket remotes would not be able to duplicate that, or would they? Don't know the answer, just asking. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Aug 18 21:01:42 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:01:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> <001201c246d2$17f20a50$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D5FEF16.D1EDBB95@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > The RM7c has azimuth control on it's wireless remote. Aftermarket remotes > would not be able to duplicate that, or would they? > > Don't know the answer, just asking. > > --Roland > The answer is, no, they won't. All the after market remote does is send signals to the CR-7 wired remote port. These signals are: Stop, FF, Pause, REW, Play, REC. IOW, even though the after market remote is IR based, it duplicates the *wired* Nak remote functions, not the *IR* ones. This is really a limitation of the CR-7 wired remote connector. Nak Engineers chose to use a DIN connector and those do not come with more than 8 pins. Take two for power and ground and you are left with no more than 6 functions... I posted before that the after market remote should have 8 function. Mea culpa. It needs only 6. I should have looked at the schematic before and actually counted (yes, I do know how to count to 6 :-) ). There is a simple way to incorporate azimuth adjustment in an after market remote. It requires the addition of a 3 pin connector to the back of the CR-7, plus the use of an 8 function after market remote. None of that is a big deal, the internal wiring of the new 3 pin connector is simplicity itself. Nonetheless, this is not a job for the neophyte, either. OTOH, azimuth adjustment is not exactly an every day activity. Beyond playing with it when my CR-7 was new, I don't think I touched it more than two or three times. Thanks for bringing this up. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sun Aug 18 21:10:00 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 15:10:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> <001201c246d2$17f20a50$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3D5FEF16.D1EDBB95@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00fb01c246ea$da356860$3b3442cf@sank2> The CR-7 DOES actually have an extra jack on the rear panel for the azimuth control, so you could wire up an alternate remote to use that feature. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > The RM7c has azimuth control on it's wireless remote. Aftermarket remotes > > would not be able to duplicate that, or would they? > > > > Don't know the answer, just asking. > > > > --Roland > > > > The answer is, no, they won't. > > All the after market remote does is send signals > to the CR-7 wired remote port. These signals are: > Stop, FF, Pause, REW, Play, REC. IOW, even though > the after market remote is IR based, it duplicates > the *wired* Nak remote functions, not the *IR* ones. > This is really a limitation of the CR-7 wired remote > connector. Nak Engineers chose to use a DIN connector > and those do not come with more than 8 pins. Take two > for power and ground and you are left with no more > than 6 functions... > > I posted before that the after market remote should > have 8 function. Mea culpa. It needs only 6. I should > have looked at the schematic before and actually > counted (yes, I do know how to count to 6 :-) ). > > There is a simple way to incorporate azimuth adjustment > in an after market remote. It requires the addition of > a 3 pin connector to the back of the CR-7, plus the > use of an 8 function after market remote. None of > that is a big deal, the internal wiring of the new > 3 pin connector is simplicity itself. Nonetheless, > this is not a job for the neophyte, either. > > OTOH, azimuth adjustment is not exactly an every day > activity. Beyond playing with it when my CR-7 was new, > I don't think I touched it more than two or three times. > > Thanks for bringing this up. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Aug 19 03:45:15 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 11:45:15 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201BF0@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Marc, I noticed that you are using a Teac A-3340S. I own one too. Have you used it much or get much use out of it? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Marc Stager [mailto:Marc at Stager.com] Sent: Sunday, 18 August 2002 2:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Graphic Equalizer Equalization should be the last fix applied if the sound in your listening seems less than perfect. First, choose your speakers with care and place them in the best possible position on the floor, or on rigid stands, as far from the walls as possible. Treat the room by use of carpeting and drapes and acoustical material, if possible, and position your listening spot between the speakers, away from a wall behind you. Most acoustical faults are in the time, not frequency domain of the sound emanating from speakers - though they result in nulls in the frequency response. Often, adjusting the tilt of the speakers to bring the bass and treble into proper time alignment at your listening position is all you'll need. Taking the speakers off the floor will reduce boom from the coupling of the cabinet to the floor. Using spikes will improve mid and high freq. definition by reducing the fore and aft motions, microscopic though they may be, which smear the upper frequencies, particularly when the woofer is pumping a strong bass. Bottom line: ERRORS IN THE TIME DOMAIN CANNOT BE CORRECTED IN THE FREQUENCY DOMAIN. Get the time alignment right FIRST, then get the frequency response smoothed out by room treatment. Lastly, and only if absolutely necessary, apply broad-band EQ. If you use EQ, use broadband (10 octave or less) rather than 'third octave EQ, The fewer the hinge points, the lower the sum of phase errors The Rane ME-60 is a stereo 'third octave unit, good for wringing out feedback from stage monitors, but not advisable if your objective is musically pleasing reproduction in the home. If you must use EQ, make the adjacent stages within 3 dB of each other. Crazy curves may show a flatter response on your RTA but they will do serious damage to the phase response, making things worse, not better. Just another example where insufficient measurement will mislead you. Use your ears. In my studio I use a pair Urei 527 EQ's, used very sparingly, into a an updated H-K Citation II and then pair of JBL L-112's. The speakers were first carefully adjusted for time and frequency response using pink noise by adjusting their angle and level settings on their L-pads. Then acoustical material was placed behind them to eliminate the slap from a plaster wall. Only then was equalization applied, and the result was a true 3dB tolerance from 60 to 15K at the mixing position, measured on a Gold Line GL30 RTA. http://marc.stager.com/misc/studio.jpg Those Ampex pre's have been moved into a rack to the left of the board, and yes, that's a hot-rodded Nak 582 sitting above the Neotek mixing board. A Tascam 122 II sits above the Dolby rack. ________________ Marc Stager PS. My other stereo, using the best source material available; Not CD or SACD or tape or vinyl, but some of New York's top musicians playing live. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 19 15:26:41 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 09:26:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> <001201c246d2$17f20a50$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3D5FEF16.D1EDBB95@rcn.com> <00fb01c246ea$da356860$3b3442cf@sank2> Message-ID: <3D60F211.9712808C@rcn.com> Wow!!! Turns out I was inadvertently correct the first time, after all... All you need is an 8 function after market remote control set. -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > > The CR-7 DOES actually have an extra jack on the rear panel for the azimuth > control, so you could wire up an alternate remote to use that feature. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 3:01 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > > > The RM7c has azimuth control on it's wireless remote. Aftermarket > remotes > > > would not be able to duplicate that, or would they? > > > > > > Don't know the answer, just asking. > > > > > > --Roland > > > > > > > The answer is, no, they won't. > > > > All the after market remote does is send signals > > to the CR-7 wired remote port. These signals are: > > Stop, FF, Pause, REW, Play, REC. IOW, even though > > the after market remote is IR based, it duplicates > > the *wired* Nak remote functions, not the *IR* ones. > > This is really a limitation of the CR-7 wired remote > > connector. Nak Engineers chose to use a DIN connector > > and those do not come with more than 8 pins. Take two > > for power and ground and you are left with no more > > than 6 functions... > > > > I posted before that the after market remote should > > have 8 function. Mea culpa. It needs only 6. I should > > have looked at the schematic before and actually > > counted (yes, I do know how to count to 6 :-) ). > > > > There is a simple way to incorporate azimuth adjustment > > in an after market remote. It requires the addition of > > a 3 pin connector to the back of the CR-7, plus the > > use of an 8 function after market remote. None of > > that is a big deal, the internal wiring of the new > > 3 pin connector is simplicity itself. Nonetheless, > > this is not a job for the neophyte, either. > > > > OTOH, azimuth adjustment is not exactly an every day > > activity. Beyond playing with it when my CR-7 was new, > > I don't think I touched it more than two or three times. > > > > Thanks for bringing this up. > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Tue Aug 20 14:02:10 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:02:10 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> <001201c246d2$17f20a50$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <001d01c24841$69f8c3a0$13945dd5@jannis> Can someone please tell me what an "aftermarket remote" is???? Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > The RM7c has azimuth control on it's wireless remote. Aftermarket remotes > would not be able to duplicate that, or would they? > > Don't know the answer, just asking. > > --Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Tue Aug 20 14:53:19 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:53:19 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] Attn: Salim! References: <00fb01c246ea$da356860$3b3442cf@sank2> Message-ID: Hi Salim, Did you get my messages? I got it back from your server! Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 20 14:43:50 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:43:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay References: <3D54CFF7.9080005@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002a01c240a2$5578e0a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000d01c240b7$5c8ecb10$70dbe343@hummingbird> <3D559C4C.6050102@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c2414c$39fb84e0$28312ac4@CopyTech> <3D5690CC.535EE85F@rcn.com> <007a01c2460a$9de9aeb0$13945dd5@jannis> <3D5FAD21.64B04D41@rcn.com> <001201c246d2$17f20a50$3db5b742@pii366custom> <001d01c24841$69f8c3a0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D623986.983810FF@rcn.com> 'After market' describes an accessory designed for a certain product, but not made by the manufacturer of that product. In this case: a remote control for a CR-7, not made by Nakamichi. -- Ron Jannis wrote: > > Can someone please tell me what an "aftermarket remote" is???? > > Jannis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Alford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nak remotes on eBay > > > The RM7c has azimuth control on it's wireless remote. Aftermarket remotes > > would not be able to duplicate that, or would they? > > > > Don't know the answer, just asking. > > > > --Roland > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Can anybody direct to where I could purchase either. Rgds, Mark Aboud Queensland, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markaboud at primus.com.au Wed Aug 21 08:38:11 2002 From: markaboud at primus.com.au (markaboud at primus.com.au) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 16:38:11 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C02@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <00e101c248dd$5b6604a0$476f86cb@musicjnr99vare> Hi Tom, Queensland (Gold Coast) is wet today and we needed the rain desperately. Thanks for your prompt response - much appreciated. What model or models do you have? Rgds, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 G'day Mark, How's the weather there in Queensland, I'm a Melbourne man myself. Well you're in luck because there is a location on naks.com that have the manuals you need. And here it is... http://support.naks.com/support Username is "naktalk", password is "limited" It doesn't have the LX3 but it does have the LX5 owners manual. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 2:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 I have just picked up a Nakamichi LX3 in excellent condition here in Queensland, Australia. Unfortunately it did not come with either an owner's or service manual. Can anybody direct to where I could purchase either. Rgds, Mark Aboud Queensland, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Aug 22 00:03:12 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:03:12 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C03@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Mark, Yep I heard on the news this morning that you guys need the rain. I own a BX300, ZX9, 480 & soon to receive a RX505. How's the LX3. I was at a wedding about 3 weeks ago and the DJ had two of them in his rack. He told me that he was using them quite a lot, people often thought he was playing cd's when in fact it was the LX3's. Goes to show how wonderful these beauties sound and operate. Take care Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 4:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 Hi Tom, Queensland (Gold Coast) is wet today and we needed the rain desperately. Thanks for your prompt response - much appreciated. What model or models do you have? Rgds, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 G'day Mark, How's the weather there in Queensland, I'm a Melbourne man myself. Well you're in luck because there is a location on naks.com that have the manuals you need. And here it is... http://support.naks.com/support Username is "naktalk", password is "limited" It doesn't have the LX3 but it does have the LX5 owners manual. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 2:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 I have just picked up a Nakamichi LX3 in excellent condition here in Queensland, Australia. Unfortunately it did not come with either an owner's or service manual. Can anybody direct to where I could purchase either. Rgds, Mark Aboud Queensland, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markaboud at primus.com.au Thu Aug 22 00:55:05 2002 From: markaboud at primus.com.au (markaboud at primus.com.au) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:55:05 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C03@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <014801c24965$cb732240$476f86cb@musicjnr99vare> Tom, Where are you purchasing the RX505 from? Why I ask is that the one for sale on Ebay is in absolutely mint condition. The guy selling it is called Paul Gardner. He would be willing to take $430.00 for it. I was going to purchase this unit but due to an expensive swimming pool pump failure, I didn't have the funds. If you want his email address let me know. It comes with original manual. Rgds, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:03 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 Hi Mark, Yep I heard on the news this morning that you guys need the rain. I own a BX300, ZX9, 480 & soon to receive a RX505. How's the LX3. I was at a wedding about 3 weeks ago and the DJ had two of them in his rack. He told me that he was using them quite a lot, people often thought he was playing cd's when in fact it was the LX3's. Goes to show how wonderful these beauties sound and operate. Take care Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 4:38 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 Hi Tom, Queensland (Gold Coast) is wet today and we needed the rain desperately. Thanks for your prompt response - much appreciated. What model or models do you have? Rgds, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 G'day Mark, How's the weather there in Queensland, I'm a Melbourne man myself. Well you're in luck because there is a location on naks.com that have the manuals you need. And here it is... http://support.naks.com/support Username is "naktalk", password is "limited" It doesn't have the LX3 but it does have the LX5 owners manual. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2002 2:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi LX3 I have just picked up a Nakamichi LX3 in excellent condition here in Queensland, Australia. Unfortunately it did not come with either an owner's or service manual. Can anybody direct to where I could purchase either. Rgds, Mark Aboud Queensland, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roleo at telus.net Thu Aug 22 03:31:57 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 18:31:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RM-7C CR-7a Remote References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C03@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <000a01c2497b$b4688930$3db5b742@pii366custom> Someone was looking for an RM-7C remote for their CR-7a. The only one I have is now available on E-bay as promised. See the link below. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375348300 Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay at benach.com Thu Aug 22 07:10:14 2002 From: jay at benach.com (Jay) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:10:14 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [naktalk] preferred CR7a serial #? Message-ID: What is the preferred CR7a cutoff serial #? In other words--the most desierable CR7a's have a serial # of X and later... Thanks --Jay ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Aug 22 08:10:43 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:10:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] preferred CR7a serial #? References: Message-ID: <000d01c249a2$a5b271e0$eab9b742@Inspiron7000> CR-7 after serial # A130-11000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: [naktalk] preferred CR7a serial #? > What is the preferred CR7a cutoff serial #? In other words--the most > desierable CR7a's have a serial # of X and later... > > Thanks > > --Jay > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 22 15:08:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:08:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] preferred CR7a serial #? References: Message-ID: <3D64E232.B9C7DA30@rcn.com> Jay wrote: > > What is the preferred CR7a cutoff serial #? In other words--the most > desierable CR7a's have a serial # of X and later... > > Thanks > > --Jay The equalization upgrade was incorporated after S/N A130-08677, during the last quarter of 1985. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 22 22:29:27 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 16:29:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] AudiogoN ForSale Nakamichi Dragon Limited Edition Message-ID: <000801c24a1a$9d0cc4a0$c4021fac@brianm> This seems like it is the lowest I have seen the CD/DAC for. ($4850) (Here is your chance Stephen!) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?dgtlplay&1035212219&2&3&4& -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Aug 22 22:42:58 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:42:58 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes Message-ID: <000701c24a1c$810abee0$b0251ec4@private> Can anyone throw any light on the change of suffixes on the part nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for 550 to 682 machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A ).The era of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C suffixes which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter 3khz tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and Dragon era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or usage difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part numbers.If there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to acquire the correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 ,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a dealer nor a repairer ,but please dont ask me why I have all these models.If you do ask you will have to also give me the cure for the NAK desease !!!! ) Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Aug 23 00:09:28 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:09:28 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes Message-ID: Walter, If I understand the process correctly, the higher letter suffix, the more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, or no, improvements are made on the higher suffixes. If you have a higher suffix, there is no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or better than, the previous suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have the later suffixes for the later machines. Bottom line; if you have a higher suffix, don't worry. Stephen will better let you know how critical it is to have the higher suffix tapes for the later machines. Kent Merideth >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM >>> Can anyone throw any light on the change of suffixes on the part nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for 550 to 682 machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A ).The era of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C suffixes which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter 3khz tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and Dragon era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or usage difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part numbers.If there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to acquire the correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 ,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a dealer nor a repairer ,but please dont ask me why I have all these models.If you do ask you will have to also give me the cure for the NAK desease !!!! ) Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 23 00:52:42 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:52:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take a look at a CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? It is located in the LA area. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes Walter, If I understand the process correctly, the higher letter suffix, the more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, or no, improvements are made on the higher suffixes. If you have a higher suffix, there is no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or better than, the previous suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have the later suffixes for the later machines. Bottom line; if you have a higher suffix, don't worry. Stephen will better let you know how critical it is to have the higher suffix tapes for the later machines. Kent Merideth >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM >>> Can anyone throw any light on the change of suffixes on the part nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for 550 to 682 machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A ).The era of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C suffixes which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter 3khz tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and Dragon era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or usage difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part numbers.If there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to acquire the correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 ,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a dealer nor a repairer ,but please dont ask me why I have all these models.If you do ask you will have to also give me the cure for the NAK desease !!!! ) Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kroger1032 at rogers.com Fri Aug 23 01:57:57 2002 From: kroger1032 at rogers.com (Kevin Rogers) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:57:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes References: Message-ID: <005901c24a37$be0a54c0$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl C To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi guru that I would, and havsd and do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen Sank. Here is his contact information: Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer Hello, Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take a look at a CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? It is located in the LA area. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent Merideth Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes Walter, If I understand the process correctly, the higher letter suffix, the more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, or no, improvements are made on the higher suffixes. If you have a higher suffix, there is no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or better than, the previous suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have the later suffixes for the later machines. Bottom line; if you have a higher suffix, don't worry. Stephen will better let you know how critical it is to have the higher suffix tapes for the later machines. Kent Merideth >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM >>> Can anyone throw any light on the change of suffixes on the part nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for 550 to 682 machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A ).The era of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C suffixes which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter 3khz tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and Dragon era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or usage difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part numbers.If there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to acquire the correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 ,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a dealer nor a repairer ,but please dont ask me why I have all these models.If you do ask you will have to also give me the cure for the NAK desease !!!! ) Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 23 03:36:02 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:36:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes References: <005901c24a37$be0a54c0$6401a8c0@lndn.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Message-ID: <3D659182.13D499CC@rcn.com> I second the recommendation. Stephen has fixed elusive problems in my CR-7, as well as in a very complex prosumer VCR. I recommend him highly. -- Ron > Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi guru that I would, > and havsd and do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen > Sank. Here is his contact information: > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer >> Hello, >> Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take >> a look at a CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? >> It is located in the LA area. >> >> Regards, >> Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Thanx, Roland Alford West Vancouver, BC =========================== Next in line: John M. Smokevitch 200 Shoreline Drive Berwyn, PA 19312 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 23 08:09:33 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:39:33 +0530 (IST) Subject: No subject Message-ID: <20020823060933.6C1B9114A2C@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 23 09:08:02 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:08:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape 1 Message-ID: <01C24A7C.8E530200.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Stephen how come you aren't in on this? [Graham Nelson] He's busy repairing things! ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 23 22:58:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 16:58:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Manual Message-ID: <3D66A1E0.C02C9635@rcn.com> I have a copy of the CR-7 manual that I have been asked to put up for sale. See: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375743630 Please do not jump on my case for selling a copy that cost nothing to make. This is out of my hands -- I am just a messenger boy. If anyone is interested, please contact me directly. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Sat Aug 24 02:07:56 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 20:07:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Manual In-Reply-To: <3D66A1E0.C02C9635@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D66961C.24755.C19F8@localhost> > Please do not jump on my case for selling a copy that cost > nothing to make. This is out of my hands -- I am just a > messenger boy. Jump, jump! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Aug 24 05:59:08 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:59:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: References: <20020823060933.6C1B9114A2C@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <3D67048B.B3A974AE@snet.net> I would also like to jump in Ed kannan_s at vsnl.com wrote: > If there is enough space in this tape I can participate as I am right now in Sanjose. > I will be around here for some more time > Kannan > > roleo at telus.net wrote > Just to update everyone the status of the M1 Tape: > > It is now on it's way to Andy Dundis in Nebraska. I believe next in line is > John Smokevitch. (Address at end of e-mail for Andy's sake.) > > K.J. Bleus, please remind us where it goes next after that. Are there new > additions? I placed the second track on side "B". Even with the two others > following me, we'll still have room for 4 or 5. Stephen how come you aren't > in on this? > > By the way KJ, if you could update the web page, my contribution to the tape > was a 1977 Jazz piece by MFSB, called "My Mood." Date of recording, August > 21, 2002. > > Thanx, > Roland Alford > West Vancouver, BC > =========================== > > Next in line: > > John M. Smokevitch > 200 Shoreline Drive > Berwyn, PA > 19312 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Sat Aug 24 23:04:10 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:04:10 -0700 Subject: Fw: [naktalk] M1 Tape status Message-ID: <001b01c24bb1$cbe25ea0$66899a40@compaq> I did place myself to be on the USA marathon tape, but believe I'm not on the present tape tour. I have a Sanktified Dragon, meaning some 32 orange capacitors were replaced, along with the ususal routine maintenance. Mr Sank said it is working every bit like a new Dragon. Well, I can wait for next time. By the way - I had posted a 'Getting Ripped Off from Ebay' last month and did go thru the Ebay Safe Harbor. Anyway the deal went thru. The guy stated in an email he was down in Mexico taking care of his mama. Well he had my work and home e-mail address, my work and home phone, and also could had mailed me a letter. Also - I have a Recoton Video Dubbing and Enhaancement System device (Model V616) which I use to dub VHS tapes. This is my second one which has gone broke. Yes, all I can say is that these are totally crap. I'm looking for a similar device to use so I can dub VHS tapes, but with the fading away of VHS I am unable to fine one. May you guys help me out? Thanks. - Mark Exstedt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Alford" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > Just to update everyone the status of the M1 Tape: > > It is now on it's way to Andy Dundis in Nebraska. I believe next in line is > John Smokevitch. (Address at end of e-mail for Andy's sake.) > > K.J. Bleus, please remind us where it goes next after that. Are there new > additions? I placed the second track on side "B". Even with the two others > following me, we'll still have room for 4 or 5. Stephen how come you aren't > in on this? > > By the way KJ, if you could update the web page, my contribution to the tape > was a 1977 Jazz piece by MFSB, called "My Mood." Date of recording, August > 21, 2002. > > Thanx, > Roland Alford > West Vancouver, BC > =========================== > > Next in line: > > John M. Smokevitch > 200 Shoreline Drive > Berwyn, PA > 19312 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ------------------------------------------- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From dougmack at crocker.com Sun Aug 25 01:18:02 2002 From: dougmack at crocker.com (Doug MacKenzie) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:18:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] where to find Nakamichi Metal Cassettes Message-ID: Can anyone inform as to where to find Nakamichi Metal Cassettes? Many thanks in advance, Doug ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Isy Fidelman To: Naktalk mailinglist Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 7:57 PM Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MX-S I just want to know how good these tapes are??? I went to buy a boombox for my nephew and a t the store they got like 50 MX-S 60 minutes tapes and 10 90 minutes for a price of US$1.79 each....what do you think??? Isy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Aug 25 04:11:48 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:11:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2568 (M-Tape Project Status) Message-ID: I've got the latest updates posted on the M-Tape webpage. Photo Opp for Tom Siomopoulos, and I've added Ed Noyes and Kannan S(????) as contributors to the M-Tape one list. Kannan, please provide your last name, musical track, cassette deck you will use. http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html Sequence for M-Tape 1 looks like this..... Andy D shouold receive the tape very soon, then to John S, then to Ed N, then to Kannan S, and then possibly one or two more contributors (to be determined). Finally, back to el Magnifico. I'm wondering what the status is for M-Tape 2, still somewhere in England I presume. Who's got that tape currently? Anyone else have some photo images to post on the webpage??? Adios Amigos, K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:54:28 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Friday, August 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2568 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:57:57 -0400 >From: "Kevin Rogers" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C24A16.360DB880 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Carl C=20 > To: naktalk at naks.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:52 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > > Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi guru that I would, and havsd and = >do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen Sank. Here is his contact = >information: > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=3Dbk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > Hello, > Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take a look at a = >CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? It is located in the LA = >area. > > Regards, > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On = >Behalf Of Kent Merideth > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:09 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > > > Walter, > > If I understand the process correctly, the higher letter suffix, the = >more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, or no, improvements = >are made on the higher suffixes. If you have a higher suffix, there is = >no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or better than, the previous = >suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have the later suffixes for the = >later machines. Bottom line; if you have a higher suffix, don't worry. = >Stephen will better let you know how critical it is to have the higher = >suffix tapes for the later machines. > > Kent Merideth > > > >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM >>> > > Can anyone throw any light on the change of suffixes on the part = >nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for 550 to 682 = >machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A ).The era = >of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C suffixes = >which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter 3khz = >tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and = >Dragon era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or = >usage difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part = >numbers.If there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to = >acquire the correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 = >,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a = >dealer nor a repairer ,but please dont ask me why I have all these = >models.If you do ask you will have to also give me the cure for the NAK = >desease !!!! ) > > Walter Drewes > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C24A16.360DB880 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > >2px"=20 >bgColor=3D#ffffff> >
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> style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = >black">From:=20 > href=3D"mailto:c123666 at earthlink.net">Carl C=20 > > >
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 = >6:52=20 > PM
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Subject: RE: [naktalk] = >Nakamichi=20 > alignment and reference tapes
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Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi = >guru that I=20 > would, and havsd and do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen Sank. Here = >is his=20 > contact information:
>
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Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon = >Mic=20 > Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog = >Transducer=20 > Co.
href=3D"http://stephensank.com">http://stephensank.com
1624-B=20 > Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 = >]
505-332-0336=20 > phone / Back-up email: = >href=3D"mailto:stephen806 at yahoo.com">stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa = > > accepted via Paypal.com:
= >href=3D"https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=3Dbk11 at thuntek.net">https://www.= >paypal.com/affil/pal=3Dbk11%40thuntek.net
Authorised=20 > McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
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>
size=3D1>Hello,
>
Might I get a = >recommendation=20 > for a shop/person to take a look at a CR7a that has developed an = >appetite for=20 > tapes? It is located in the LA area.
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size=3D1>Regards,
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size=3D1>Carl
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face=3DTahoma=20 > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----
From: href=3D"mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com">owner-naktalk at naks.com=20 > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent=20 > Merideth
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:09 = >PM
To:=20 > naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi = >alignment and=20 > reference tapes

>
Walter,
>
>
If I understand the process correctly, the = >higher letter=20 > suffix, the more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, = >or=20 > no, improvements are made on the higher suffixes. If you = >have a=20 > higher suffix, there is no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or = >better=20 > than, the previous suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have = >the=20 > later suffixes for the later machines. Bottom line; if you = >have a=20 > higher suffix, don't worry. Stephen will better let you know = >how=20 > critical it is to have the higher suffix tapes for the later=20 > machines.
>
>
Kent Merideth
>


>>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM=20 > >>>
>
Can anyone throw any light on the change of = >suffixes on=20 > the part nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for = >550 to=20 > 682 machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A = >).The era=20 > of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C = >suffixes=20 > which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter = >3khz =20 > tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and = >Dragon=20 > era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or = >usage=20 > difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part = >numbers.If=20 > there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to acquire = >the=20 > correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 = >,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon=20 > and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a dealer nor a repairer ,but = >please=20 > dont ask me why I have all these models.If you do ask you will have = >to also=20 > give me the cure for the NAK desease !!!! )
>
>
Walter=20 >Drewes
> >- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C24A16.360DB880-- > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:36:02 -0400 >From: Ron >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > >I second the recommendation. Stephen has fixed >elusive problems in my CR-7, as well as in a >very complex prosumer VCR. I recommend him >highly. > >- -- Ron > > >> Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi guru that I would, >> and havsd and do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen >> Sank. Here is his contact information: >> >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. >> http://stephensank.com >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: >> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > >>> Hello, >>> Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take >>> a look at a CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? >>> It is located in the LA area. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Carl > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:25:41 -0700 >From: "Roland Alford" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > >Just to update everyone the status of the M1 Tape: > >It is now on it's way to Andy Dundis in Nebraska. I believe next in line is >John Smokevitch. (Address at end of e-mail for Andy's sake.) > >K.J. Bleus, please remind us where it goes next after that. Are there new >additions? I placed the second track on side "B". Even with the two others >following me, we'll still have room for 4 or 5. Stephen how come you aren't >in on this? > >By the way KJ, if you could update the web page, my contribution to the tape >was a 1977 Jazz piece by MFSB, called "My Mood." Date of recording, August >21, 2002. > >Thanx, >Roland Alford >West Vancouver, BC >=========================== > >Next in line: > >John M. Smokevitch >200 Shoreline Drive >Berwyn, PA >19312 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:39:33 +0530 (IST) >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com >Subject: [none] > >If there is enough space in this tape I can participate as I am right now in Sanjose. >I will be around here for some more time >Kannan > >roleo at telus.net wrote >Just to update everyone the status of the M1 Tape: > >It is now on it's way to Andy Dundis in Nebraska. I believe next in line is >John Smokevitch. (Address at end of e-mail for Andy's sake.) > >K.J. Bleus, please remind us where it goes next after that. Are there new >additions? I placed the second track on side "B". Even with the two others >following me, we'll still have room for 4 or 5. Stephen how come you aren't >in on this? > >By the way KJ, if you could update the web page, my contribution to the tape >was a 1977 Jazz piece by MFSB, called "My Mood." Date of recording, August >21, 2002. > >Thanx, >Roland Alford >West Vancouver, BC >=========================== > >Next in line: > >John M. Smokevitch >200 Shoreline Drive >Berwyn, PA >19312 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:08:02 +0100 >From: Graham Nelson >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape 1 > > Stephen how come you aren't >in on this? >[Graham Nelson] He's busy repairing things! ;o) > >- --- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2568 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Aug 25 04:17:20 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:17:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MX-S References: <000e01c24bca$16737ea0$456623c8@g8nsv> <00e801c24bdb$3eb908b0$aa021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001701c24bdd$8afa24a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> It seems like there are a few good deals around on quality tapes. Local stores here in Vancouver stopped selling Maxell XLII-S tapes many months ago. All of a sudden I saw them back in one store for about US $0.60 each! That's a darn tootin' good price! (Pardon my language! :) Too bad I stocked up awhile ago at a much higher price. Could this be a sign that retailers are putting out all their old stock to clear all quality tapes? Maybe there will be more good deals coming on other brands too! Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kannan_s at vsnl.com Sun Aug 25 05:02:42 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:32:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2568 (M-Tape Project Status) Message-ID: <20020825030242.AC2C111496D@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Sun Aug 25 07:27:52 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:27:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Maxell MX-S References: <000e01c24bca$16737ea0$456623c8@g8nsv> <00e801c24bdb$3eb908b0$aa021fac@brianm> <001701c24bdd$8afa24a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <002701c24bf8$2eeb9980$f96623c8@g8nsv> It looks like it is so.... On Monday I'll go there and buy some of those tapes... Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Maxell MX-S It seems like there are a few good deals around on quality tapes. Local stores here in Vancouver stopped selling Maxell XLII-S tapes many months ago. All of a sudden I saw them back in one store for about US $0.60 each! That's a darn tootin' good price! (Pardon my language! :) Too bad I stocked up awhile ago at a much higher price. Could this be a sign that retailers are putting out all their old stock to clear all quality tapes? Maybe there will be more good deals coming on other brands too! Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markaboud at primus.com.au Mon Aug 26 01:59:50 2002 From: markaboud at primus.com.au (markaboud at primus.com.au) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:59:50 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer Message-ID: <005e01c24c93$80a6e540$912f86cb@musicjnr99vare> I have been offered a 1000 Tritracer for around US$140.00. I have yet to verify its condition. The cassette door has been replaced with a piece of anodised aluminium (can you still purchase this original part?) What should I be looking for to be kind of sure I don't get a 'lemon'? Any basic issues I should be looking at? Rgds, Mark Aboud QLD, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Aug 26 02:49:53 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:49:53 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C19@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hey mark, I saw that same item on Ebay, would have been nice if they made a small windows in the door to see what's going on. I'd guess if I was to inspect a unit like that I'd look for mechanical issues such as noisy or clunky function movements (play to FF to REW etc). Perform a calibration test using the internal 400Hz test tone generator, and finally make some recordings and compare source with recorded material. If all of these little test pass then I'd snap up the unit. I noticed one of the pictures on the auction displayed the record azimuth adjustment, next to it was another adjustment but was not sure if it was playback azimuth - is this right? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 10:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer I have been offered a 1000 Tritracer for around US$140.00. I have yet to verify its condition. The cassette door has been replaced with a piece of anodised aluminium (can you still purchase this original part?) What should I be looking for to be kind of sure I don't get a 'lemon'? Any basic issues I should be looking at? Rgds, Mark Aboud QLD, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From markaboud at primus.com.au Mon Aug 26 05:05:48 2002 From: markaboud at primus.com.au (markaboud at primus.com.au) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:05:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C19@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <009901c24cad$7b13e5f0$912f86cb@musicjnr99vare> Hi Tom, Trust you had a good weekend. I have spoken to the owner and since they have owned it, they have never serviced it or had to replace any parts. Shame about the cassette door though. Are spares available ex USA. I will go and look at the unit on Wednesday and see if I can record some tracks. As for the azimuth I cannot say. Will let you know how i go. Any ideas what this would be worth. I was going to be cheeky and offer $200.00!!! Rgds, Mark Aboud ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:49 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer Hey mark, I saw that same item on Ebay, would have been nice if they made a small windows in the door to see what's going on. I'd guess if I was to inspect a unit like that I'd look for mechanical issues such as noisy or clunky function movements (play to FF to REW etc). Perform a calibration test using the internal 400Hz test tone generator, and finally make some recordings and compare source with recorded material. If all of these little test pass then I'd snap up the unit. I noticed one of the pictures on the auction displayed the record azimuth adjustment, next to it was another adjustment but was not sure if it was playback azimuth - is this right? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: markaboud at primus.com.au [mailto:markaboud at primus.com.au] Sent: Monday, 26 August 2002 10:00 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer I have been offered a 1000 Tritracer for around US$140.00. I have yet to verify its condition. The cassette door has been replaced with a piece of anodised aluminium (can you still purchase this original part?) What should I be looking for to be kind of sure I don't get a 'lemon'? Any basic issues I should be looking at? Rgds, Mark Aboud QLD, Australia -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Aug 26 06:28:18 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:28:18 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] AudiogoN ForSale Nakamichi Dragon Limited Edition References: <000801c24a1a$9d0cc4a0$c4021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <00b601c24cb9$00eba860$d7f63fd0@oemcomputer> I am curious where the guy gets his retail price from its an Asia only product that seems to sell for around $6000.00 US list in Japan Less I would think in Hong Kong ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: [naktalk] AudiogoN ForSale Nakamichi Dragon Limited Edition This seems like it is the lowest I have seen the CD/DAC for. ($4850) (Here is your chance Stephen!) http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?dgtlplay&1035212219&2&3&4& ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Aug 26 06:49:43 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:19:43 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] Re: M-Tape 1 (Kannan S) Message-ID: <20020826044943.2BD831149D4@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 26 07:42:38 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! In-Reply-To: <009901c24cad$7b13e5f0$912f86cb@musicjnr99vare> Message-ID: <20020826054238.98317.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone Well, it's finally happened. My favourite cd player has crapped out. It's a carver tl3300, the best one they made and it sounds delightful. It's freezing up in the middle of a song. It can happen on any track beginning middle or end. the lens is clean, the servo motor seems to be fine and everything else mechanical seems to check out. I'm guess it's just gone out of alignment. Does anyone know which pot balances the laser? I think it may have too much backwards bias as it never skips foward it just stops. (This design does not do a locked groove simulation when the laser isn't advanced) Anyway, if anyone knows which pot to smoke, uh... I mean turn, I'de appreciate if they'de let me in on it. Thanks much Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Mon Aug 26 10:42:51 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:42:51 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer References: <005e01c24c93$80a6e540$912f86cb@musicjnr99vare> Message-ID: >I have been offered a 1000 Tritracer for around US$140.00. I have yet to verify its condition. The cassette door has been replaced with a piece of anodised aluminium (can you still purchase this original part?) >What should I be looking for to be kind of sure I don't get a 'lemon'? Any basic issues I should be looking at? > >Rgds, > >Mark Aboud Hi Mark, One of the weak points is recording head which is made of ferrit. I've seen cracked ones. Check if calibration works. Actualy it's very hard to kill unit and if all the rubber parts are OK than it may need only some minor ajustment. You may consider to replace pinch rollers and two rubber belts but I had several units like this and most of them was OK. Misha ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 26 11:04:14 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 10:04:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] 1000 Tritracer Message-ID: <01C24CE7.F2D1FE80.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Mark I'm pretty sure you won't get a new door from any of the Nak service centres but it's worth remembering (for all of us) that their secondhand stock changes all the time as people send in units that can't be repaired and don't want them back. The service centres cannibalize these decks. So, it's conceivable (highly probable, I'd guess ...) that one of those decks will eventually end up in a service centre from whence a cannibalized door may become available to you. Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 26 11:22:29 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 02:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! In-Reply-To: <20020826054238.98317.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020826092229.42292.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> I think I got it working It was the sled motor afterall! I took it apart and reshaped and cleaned the brushes. It seems to be working ok but I think I'll be needing a new sled motor soon. They weren't meant to be fixed. See Ya Javier --- Javier Perez wrote: > Hi Everyone > Well, it's finally happened. > My favourite cd player has crapped out. It's a > carver > tl3300, the best one they made and it sounds > delightful. It's freezing up in the middle of a > song. > It can happen on any track beginning middle or end. > the lens is clean, the servo motor seems to be fine > and everything else mechanical seems to check out. > I'm > guess it's just gone out of alignment. Does anyone > know which pot balances the laser? I think it may > have > too much backwards bias as it never skips foward it > just stops. (This design does not do a locked groove > simulation when the laser isn't advanced) Anyway, if > anyone knows which pot to smoke, uh... I mean turn, > I'de appreciate if they'de let me in on it. > Thanks much > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From colem at georgetown.edu Mon Aug 26 15:34:25 2002 From: colem at georgetown.edu (Michael Cole) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 09:34:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1000 Cabinet Message-ID: <3D6A2E61.D3842E8E@georgetown.edu> Hello, I want to repair the veneer on my Nak 1000 cabinet. Is the veneer walnut? If not does anyone know what type of wood it is? I have seen some cabinets finished in black. Was this a factory option or was this an after market option that some owners did. Thanks for your help, Mike ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Mon Aug 26 19:36:31 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:36:31 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! References: <20020826092229.42292.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002401c24d27$39485460$44299bca@smarzuki> don't you just hate it when one of those motors needs attention ... the moment you put the cleaned one back in, another one is calling your name ... anyway, nice to hear the happy ending so soon ! salim sm (tired of disassembling nak changer ... built like a tank .. just try to replace the motor! =). ----- Original Message ----- From: Javier Perez To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! I think I got it working It was the sled motor afterall! I took it apart and reshaped and cleaned the brushes. It seems to be working ok but I think I'll be needing a new sled motor soon. They weren't meant to be fixed. See Ya Javier --- Javier Perez wrote: > Hi Everyone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Mon Aug 26 21:32:24 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:32:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 Message-ID: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 26 21:43:18 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:43:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! In-Reply-To: <002401c24d27$39485460$44299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <20020826194318.35416.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Quite so. i hate those idiotic motors. Unfortunately cp players have only gotten worse. So far the only transport I've seen that I'm really happy with is the one on my mac mcd7000. It's really a tank but I've never been able to get the board pack working and haven't found a replacement. Nor have I been able to come up with a list of similar units to take parts from. Someday.............. Javier --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > don't you just hate it when one of those motors > needs attention ... the moment you put the cleaned > one back in, another one is calling your name ... > anyway, nice to hear the happy ending so soon ! > > salim sm > (tired of disassembling nak changer ... built like a > tank .. just try to replace the motor! =). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Javier Perez > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 > adjustment info needed urgently!!!! > > > I think I got it working > It was the sled motor afterall! > I took it apart and reshaped and cleaned > the brushes. It seems to be working ok > but I think I'll be needing a new sled motor soon. > They weren't meant to be fixed. > See Ya > Javier > > --- Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi Everyone > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Aug 26 22:32:39 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:32:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? > > Graham I'm still on Office '97. Let me know if you want it. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Aug 26 23:12:40 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:12:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020826211240.56142.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys wanna laugh check out this description http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Tue Aug 27 00:08:08 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:08:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud References: <20020826211240.56142.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <01bd01c24d4d$0faea700$ae021fac@brianm> Thanks for the laugh, that is good! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud > Hey guys wanna laugh > check out this description > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Aug 27 00:11:06 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:11:06 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Gra' Yes I have a copy of outlook 98 but it's huge. Can I burn a copy for you and send it? Regards Tom. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 5:32 To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Aug 27 00:18:20 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 15:18:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000a01c24d4e$7c35e590$3db5b742@pii366custom> If you need "evaluation" software or anything else that can be passed on the net, download the small program from: http://www.kazaa.com/en/index.php and you'll be dancing or e-mailing or anything else you want! Virtually any software you want, and song you want, and because it's Peer to Peer, it's not going down like Napster. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Aug 27 00:38:53 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:38:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <002301c24d51$5bdb8cc0$4c756acf@johnnyrotten> You might wish to take this off line. We are talking major copyright stuff here. Have you ever received a letter from Microsoft, you won't forget it! John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > Hi Gra' > > Yes I have a copy of outlook 98 but it's huge. Can I burn a copy for you and send it? > > Regards Tom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 5:32 > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? > > Graham > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 27 03:23:37 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:23:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> <000a01c24d4e$7c35e590$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D6AD499.1B5C76A4@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > If you need "evaluation" software or anything else that can be passed on the > net, download the small program from: > > http://www.kazaa.com/en/index.php > > and you'll be dancing or e-mailing or anything else you want! Virtually any > software you want, and song you want, and because it's Peer to Peer, it's > not going down like Napster. > > Roland Be careful, Kazaa has a nasty habit of planting spyware on people's computers. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Tue Aug 27 03:55:46 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:55:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: <01bd01c24d4d$0faea700$ae021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <001601c24d6c$dc8055c0$0d01000a@c994264e> I guess I'm not in the loop on this joke. If someone can email me privately, then I can get what's going on. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud Thanks for the laugh, that is good! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud > Hey guys wanna laugh > check out this description > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Aug 27 03:53:57 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:53:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> <000a01c24d4e$7c35e590$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3D6AD499.1B5C76A4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000201c24d6c$a51a0db0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Thanx for the heads up Ron! Haven't had any problem yet. But I do use Ad Aware from LavaSoft. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ Free program that cleans up any spyware. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timbarrett at cox.net Tue Aug 27 04:36:33 2002 From: timbarrett at cox.net (timbarrett at cox.net) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:36:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: <001601c24d6c$dc8055c0$0d01000a@c994264e> References: <01bd01c24d4d$0faea700$ae021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3D6AAD71.18549.13B2797@localhost> Me too, Mike. Actually, I've got a few pieces of McIntosh I'd like to sell, including a C28. I hardly consider it the standard against which all preamps are judged, but it does the job and impresses guests. Tim On 26 Aug 2002 at 18:55, Mike deVera wrote: > I guess I'm not in the loop on this joke. If someone can email me > privately, then I can get what's going on. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:08 PM To: > naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > > Thanks for the laugh, that is good! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: ; ; > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud > > > > Hey guys wanna laugh > > check out this description > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > > > Javier > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS > LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude > Virus] > > > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----== ======= > > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ----========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Aug 27 00:31:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:31:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud References: <20020826211240.56142.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007d01c24d50$66dda780$3b3442cf@sank2> And the BX-1 was Nak's "flagship model". Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud > Hey guys wanna laugh > check out this description > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Aug 27 05:40:54 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:40:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> <000a01c24d4e$7c35e590$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3D6AD499.1B5C76A4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003901c24d7b$8fcda390$be302ac4@CopyTech> Ron is right. You better download AD Aware 5.0 before. It's free and very useful. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > Roland Alford wrote: > > > > If you need "evaluation" software or anything else that can be passed on the > > net, download the small program from: > > > > http://www.kazaa.com/en/index.php > > > > and you'll be dancing or e-mailing or anything else you want! Virtually any > > software you want, and song you want, and because it's Peer to Peer, it's > > not going down like Napster. > > > > Roland > > Be careful, Kazaa has a nasty habit of planting spyware > on people's computers. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Aug 27 05:03:14 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:03:14 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: <001601c24d6c$dc8055c0$0d01000a@c994264e> Message-ID: Same here ... -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Mike deVera Sent: Mon, August 26, 2002 8:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud I guess I'm not in the loop on this joke. If someone can email me privately, then I can get what's going on. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Brian Miller Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud Thanks for the laugh, that is good! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: ; ; Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud > Hey guys wanna laugh > check out this description > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Aug 27 06:42:02 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:42:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <002301c24d51$5bdb8cc0$4c756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <007601c24d84$19fd55d0$be302ac4@CopyTech> John: Have you ever received one ? How it is ? I'm just curious ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > You might wish to take this off line. We are talking major copyright stuff > here. Have you ever received a letter from Microsoft, you won't forget it! > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:11 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > Yes I have a copy of outlook 98 but it's huge. Can I burn a copy for you > and send it? > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 5:32 > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > > > Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 07:25:15 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020827052515.17649.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> The joke is "standard" The C28 is generally considered to be the least superb of all the mac preamps. It had some reliability problems and was sonically not as good as the 27 or 29. I have one one in so so shape and would love to do some mods on it but the 85 dollar volume pot is way too expensive. It's not a bad preamp out of the box but when "standard is used to describe it it's a joke bordering on fraud. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > Same here ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mike deVera > Sent: Mon, August 26, 2002 8:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > I guess I'm not in the loop on this joke. If someone > can email me privately, > then I can get what's going on. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Miller > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > > Thanks for the laugh, that is good! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: ; ; > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > > Hey guys wanna laugh > > check out this description > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > > > Javier > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdevera at compuserve.com Tue Aug 27 07:39:44 2002 From: mdevera at compuserve.com (Mike deVera) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:39:44 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: <20020827052515.17649.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002601c24d8c$26572240$0d01000a@c994264e> I thought so. I got a clue when SS mentioned that the BX-1 was the "standard". I didn't want to assume, since I wasn't a Mcintosh aficionado, but know a good Nak when I see one. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud The joke is "standard" The C28 is generally considered to be the least superb of all the mac preamps. It had some reliability problems and was sonically not as good as the 27 or 29. I have one one in so so shape and would love to do some mods on it but the 85 dollar volume pot is way too expensive. It's not a bad preamp out of the box but when "standard is used to describe it it's a joke bordering on fraud. Javier --- Stan Targowski wrote: > Same here ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Mike deVera > Sent: Mon, August 26, 2002 8:56 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > I guess I'm not in the loop on this joke. If someone > can email me privately, > then I can get what's going on. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Brian Miller > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:08 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > > Thanks for the laugh, that is good! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: ; ; > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > > Hey guys wanna laugh > > check out this description > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > > > Javier > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 08:02:53 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:02:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or fraud In-Reply-To: <002601c24d8c$26572240$0d01000a@c994264e> Message-ID: <20020827060253.4231.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone I'm on a roll here. just got my Kyocera DA-01 based Phase Linear 9500 working perfectly and fixed my second 9500 all in the same day. Now I'm tackling an old and tired Technics SL-P7. Someone fiddled with the adjustment pots under the transport and it's unable to find any track and times out. Was wondering if anyone knew what each pot was for. There are 6 altogether and I assume they control the usual stuff - focus, sled etcetera but which is which! I can't get anywhere with it but I know it once worked intermitently. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Javier --- Mike deVera wrote: > I thought so. I got a clue when SS mentioned that > the BX-1 was the > "standard". I didn't want to assume, since I wasn't > a Mcintosh aficionado, > but know a good Nak when I see one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > Behalf Of Javier Perez > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 10:25 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > fraud > > > > The joke is > > "standard" > > The C28 is generally considered to be > the least superb of all the mac preamps. > It had some reliability problems and was sonically > not as good as the 27 or 29. I have one one in so so > shape and would love to do some mods on it > but the 85 dollar volume pot is way too expensive. > It's not a bad preamp out of the box but when > "standard is used to describe it > it's a joke bordering on fraud. > > Javier > > --- Stan Targowski wrote: > > Same here ... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Mike deVera > > Sent: Mon, August 26, 2002 8:56 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, > or > > fraud > > > > > > I guess I'm not in the loop on this joke. If > someone > > can email me privately, > > then I can get what's going on. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at ns.naks.com]On > > Behalf Of Brian Miller > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 3:08 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, > or > > fraud > > > > > > > > Thanks for the laugh, that is good! > > > > Brian Miller > > Michigan > > http://brian.grar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: ; ; > > > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:12 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] Wishful thinking on ebay, or > > fraud > > > > > > > Hey guys wanna laugh > > > check out this description > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375563217 > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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URL: From emte at mail.md Tue Aug 27 14:35:31 2002 From: emte at mail.md (marin turea) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:35:31 +0300 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! Message-ID: <200208271235.g7RCZVi07087@ad.md> Javier, the MCD7000 is based on the Philips CD104 (on the market around 1985, i think). in the US, it was called Magnavox FD1040. it has an early CDM transport + 14 bit x 4 times oversampling. i suppose you can get this model for very very very cheap. also, some other players based on the same Philips model are: B&O CDX, Mission DAD7000 or Marantz 34 (which actually looks identical to the Philips). these usually cost (a (huge) lot) more. looks like there are some minor differences between these players, ask someone who worked on'em. hope this helps. Marin. > So far the only transport I've seen that I'm really > happy with is the one on my mac mcd7000. It's really a > tank but I've never been able to get the board pack > working and haven't found a replacement. Nor have I > been able to come up with a list of similar units to > take parts from. > Someday.............. > Javier > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > don't you just hate it when one of those motors > > needs attention ... the moment you put the cleaned > > one back in, another one is calling your name ... > > anyway, nice to hear the happy ending so soon ! > > > > salim sm > > (tired of disassembling nak changer ... built like a > > tank .. just try to replace the motor! =). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Javier Perez > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 > > adjustment info needed urgently!!!! > > > > > > I think I got it working > > It was the sled motor afterall! > > I took it apart and reshaped and cleaned > > the brushes. It seems to be working ok > > but I think I'll be needing a new sled motor soon. > > They weren't meant to be fixed. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > --- Javier Perez wrote: > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ___________________________________________ Get your free mail box @ http://www.mail.md ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Aug 27 14:42:33 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:42:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <002301c24d51$5bdb8cc0$4c756acf@johnnyrotten> <007601c24d84$19fd55d0$be302ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <003201c24dc7$3787ea00$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Carlos, My friend got one, scared the you know what out of him. Microsoft has a lawyer in your home state send it so it really wakes you up! The first time it's just a warning but I don't think I would want a follow up. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > John: > > Have you ever received one ? How it is ? I'm just curious ... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > You might wish to take this off line. We are talking major copyright stuff > > here. Have you ever received a letter from Microsoft, you won't forget it! > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:11 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > > > Yes I have a copy of outlook 98 but it's huge. Can I burn a copy for you > > and send it? > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 5:32 > > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > > > > > > Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Aug 27 15:53:03 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:53:03 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <01C24D3F.DFDD5CE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D6A9067.44F96BCE@rcn.com> <000a01c24d4e$7c35e590$3db5b742@pii366custom> <3D6AD499.1B5C76A4@rcn.com> <000201c24d6c$a51a0db0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D6B843F.89AAA166@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > Thanx for the heads up Ron! Haven't had any problem yet. But I do use Ad > Aware from LavaSoft. > > http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ > > Free program that cleans up any spyware. > > --Roland Yep, Ad-aware detected Kaaza's mischief for me. After removing the offending spyware file, the downloaded program (I forget what it was) ceased to function. I removed the whole kit and kaboodle -- that was the last I ever looked at the Kaaza site. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Aug 27 18:24:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 adjustment info needed urgently!!!! In-Reply-To: <200208271235.g7RCZVi07087@ad.md> Message-ID: <20020827162403.99341.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Marin That's exactly the info I was looking for. For a long time I knew it was a CDM-2 machine but didn't what the other models were. Javier --- marin turea wrote: > Javier, > the MCD7000 is based on the Philips CD104 (on the > market around 1985, i think). in the US, it was > called Magnavox FD1040. it has > an early CDM transport + 14 bit x 4 times > oversampling. i suppose you can get this model for > very very very cheap. > also, some other players based on the same Philips > model are: > B&O CDX, Mission DAD7000 or Marantz 34 (which > actually looks identical to the Philips). these > usually cost (a (huge) lot) more. > looks like there are some minor differences between > these players, ask someone who worked on'em. > > hope this helps. > > Marin. > > > > > So far the only transport I've seen that I'm > really > > happy with is the one on my mac mcd7000. It's > really a > > tank but I've never been able to get the board > pack > > working and haven't found a replacement. Nor have > I > > been able to come up with a list of similar units > to > > take parts from. > > Someday.............. > > Javier > > > > --- Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > > > don't you just hate it when one of those motors > > > needs attention ... the moment you put the > cleaned > > > one back in, another one is calling your name > ... > > > anyway, nice to hear the happy ending so soon ! > > > > > > salim sm > > > (tired of disassembling nak changer ... built > like a > > > tank .. just try to replace the motor! =). > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Javier Perez > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 4:22 PM > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Carver tl3300 > > > adjustment info needed urgently!!!! > > > > > > > > > I think I got it working > > > It was the sled motor afterall! > > > I took it apart and reshaped and cleaned > > > the brushes. It seems to be working ok > > > but I think I'll be needing a new sled motor > soon. > > > They weren't meant to be fixed. > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > --- Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Aug 27 22:36:20 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:36:20 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C28@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <002301c24d51$5bdb8cc0$4c756acf@johnnyrotten> <007601c24d84$19fd55d0$be302ac4@CopyTech> <003201c24dc7$3787ea00$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <002a01c24e09$6b331fe0$ae2f2ac4@CopyTech> John: Thanks. I guess I agree with you ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > Carlos, > > My friend got one, scared the you know what out of him. Microsoft has a > lawyer in your home state send it so it really wakes you up! The first time > it's just a warning but I don't think I would want a follow up. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 12:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > John: > > > > Have you ever received one ? How it is ? I'm just curious ... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 5:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > > > > You might wish to take this off line. We are talking major copyright > stuff > > > here. Have you ever received a letter from Microsoft, you won't forget > it! > > > > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 6:11 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > > > > > > > Hi Gra' > > > > > > > > Yes I have a copy of outlook 98 but it's huge. Can I burn a copy for > you > > > and send it? > > > > > > > > Regards Tom. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 August 2002 5:32 > > > > To: 'naktalk at naks.com' > > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Outlook 98 > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone got a copy they can zip and send me?? > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Aug 28 02:04:26 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:04:26 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: <20020827.200443.-334133.0.josephj69@juno.com> Guys, This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't look like it's possible to open them up. I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back into shape? Any tips greatly appreciated. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From series900 at nhvt.net Tue Aug 27 15:32:34 2002 From: series900 at nhvt.net (Damon Josz) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:32:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] (M-Tape Project Status) References: Message-ID: <00ae01c24e2b$bfa58050$55c56bd8@m5e0c7> Have I been bumped again? first time from the midway point, then to theback of the bus? sniff sniff, and I was one of the first to reply to theproject. Damon with multiple 600's ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:11 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2568 (M-Tape Project Status) > I've got the latest updates posted on the M-Tape webpage. Photo Opp for Tom Siomopoulos, and I've added Ed Noyes and Kannan S(????) as contributors to the M-Tape one list. Kannan, please provide your last name, musical track, cassette deck you will use. > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > Sequence for M-Tape 1 looks like this..... > > Andy D shouold receive the tape very soon, then to John S, then to Ed N, then to Kannan S, and then possibly one or two more contributors (to be determined). Finally, back to el Magnifico. > > I'm wondering what the status is for M-Tape 2, still somewhere in England I presume. Who's got that tape currently? Anyone else have some photo images to post on the webpage??? > > Adios Amigos, > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > > On Fri, 23 Aug 2002 07:54:28 > naktalk-digest wrote: > > > >naktalk-digest Friday, August 23 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2568 > > > > > > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:57:57 -0400 > >From: "Kevin Rogers" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > > > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C24A16.360DB880 > >Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > > From: Carl C=20 > > To: naktalk at naks.com=20 > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:52 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > > > > Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi guru that I would, and havsd and = > >do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen Sank. Here is his contact = > >information: > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=3Dbk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > > > Hello, > > Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take a look at a = > >CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? It is located in the LA = > >area. > > > > Regards, > > Carl > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On = > >Behalf Of Kent Merideth > > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:09 PM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > > > > > > Walter, > > > > If I understand the process correctly, the higher letter suffix, the = > >more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, or no, improvements = > >are made on the higher suffixes. If you have a higher suffix, there is = > >no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or better than, the previous = > >suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have the later suffixes for the = > >later machines. Bottom line; if you have a higher suffix, don't worry. = > >Stephen will better let you know how critical it is to have the higher = > >suffix tapes for the later machines. > > > > Kent Merideth > > > > > > >>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM >>> > > > > Can anyone throw any light on the change of suffixes on the part = > >nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for 550 to 682 = > >machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A ).The era = > >of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C suffixes = > >which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter 3khz = > >tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and = > >Dragon era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or = > >usage difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part = > >numbers.If there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to = > >acquire the correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 = > >,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a = > >dealer nor a repairer ,but please dont ask me why I have all these = > >models.If you do ask you will have to also give me the cure for the NAK = > >desease !!!! ) > > > > Walter Drewes > > > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C24A16.360DB880 > >Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > > > > >charset=3Diso-8859-1"> > > > > > > > > >2px"=20 > >bgColor=3D#ffffff> > >
> >
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> > > style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = > >black">From:=20 > > >href=3D"mailto:c123666 at earthlink.net">Carl C=20 > > > > > >
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 = > >6:52=20 > > PM
> >
Subject: RE: [naktalk] = > >Nakamichi=20 > > alignment and reference tapes
> >
> >
Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi = > >guru that I=20 > > would, and havsd and do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen Sank. Here = > >is his=20 > > contact information:
> >
> >
Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon = > >Mic=20 > > Restorer
Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog = > >Transducer=20 > > Co.
>href=3D"http://stephensank.com">http://stephensank.com
1624-B=20 > > Eubank Boulevard N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 = > >]
505-332-0336=20 > > phone / Back-up email: > = > >href=3D"mailto:stephen806 at yahoo.com">stephen806 at yahoo.com
mc/visa = > > > > accepted via Paypal.com:
> = > >href=3D"https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=3Dbk11 at thuntek.net">https://www.= > >paypal.com/affil/pal=3Dbk11%40thuntek.net
Authorised=20 > > McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer
> >

> >
>size=3D1>Hello,
> >
Might I get a = > >recommendation=20 > > for a shop/person to take a look at a CR7a that has developed an = > >appetite for=20 > > tapes? It is located in the LA area.
> >
>size=3D1>
> >
>size=3D1>Regards,
> >
>size=3D1>Carl
> >
> >
> >
>face=3DTahoma=20 > > size=3D2>-----Original Message-----
From: > href=3D"mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com">owner-naktalk at naks.com=20 > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Kent=20 > > Merideth
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 3:09 = > >PM
To:=20 > > naktalk at naks.com
Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi = > >alignment and=20 > > reference tapes

> >
Walter,
> >
> >
If I understand the process correctly, the = > >higher letter=20 > > suffix, the more recent the creation of the test tape. Minor, = > >or=20 > > no, improvements are made on the higher suffixes. If you = > >have a=20 > > higher suffix, there is no problem, as the tapes are equal to, or = > >better=20 > > than, the previous suffix. Not sure how critical it is to have = > >the=20 > > later suffixes for the later machines. Bottom line; if you = > >have a=20 > > higher suffix, don't worry. Stephen will better let you know = > >how=20 > > critical it is to have the higher suffix tapes for the later=20 > > machines.
> >
> >
Kent Merideth
> >


>>> wdrewes at iafrica.com 08/22/02 03:42PM=20 > > >>>
> >
Can anyone throw any light on the change of = > >suffixes on=20 > > the part nos. by Nakamichi on these tapes ? The early tapes used for = > >550 to=20 > > 682 machines appear to use the letter A (eg 20khz tape DA09001 A = > >).The era=20 > > of RX and Dragons use the suffix B.There are also tapes with C = > >suffixes=20 > > which appear thereafter? An exception seems to be the wow/flutter = > >3khz =20 > > tape DA09006 which already switches to C nomencleture in the RX and = > >Dragon=20 > > era.Can somebody please advise whether there is any practical or = > >usage=20 > > difference between the A B and C tapes of the otherwise same part = > >numbers.If=20 > > there is it could get to be an expensive business for me to acquire = > >the=20 > > correct adjustment tapes for my 550 ,600 = > >,682zx,700zxe,BX300,RX505,Dragon=20 > > and last but not least CR 3.(I am not a dealer nor a repairer ,but = > >please=20 > > dont ask me why I have all these models.If you do ask you will have = > >to also=20 > > give me the cure for the NAK desease !!!! )
> >
> >
Walter=20 > >Drewes
> > > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C24A16.360DB880-- > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 21:36:02 -0400 > >From: Ron > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi alignment and reference tapes > > > >I second the recommendation. Stephen has fixed > >elusive problems in my CR-7, as well as in a > >very complex prosumer VCR. I recommend him > >highly. > > > >- -- Ron > > > > > >> Hi Carl. There is only one Nakamichi guru that I would, > >> and havsd and do, trust my decks to, our own Stephen > >> Sank. Here is his contact information: > >> > >> Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > >> Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > >> http://stephensank.com > >> 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >> Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > >> 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > >> mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > >> https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > >> Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > >>> Hello, > >>> Might I get a recommendation for a shop/person to take > >>> a look at a CR7a that has developed an appetite for tapes? > >>> It is located in the LA area. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Carl > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 22:25:41 -0700 > >From: "Roland Alford" > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] M1 Tape status > > > >Just to update everyone the status of the M1 Tape: > > > >It is now on it's way to Andy Dundis in Nebraska. I believe next in line is > >John Smokevitch. (Address at end of e-mail for Andy's sake.) > > > >K.J. Bleus, please remind us where it goes next after that. Are there new > >additions? I placed the second track on side "B". Even with the two others > >following me, we'll still have room for 4 or 5. Stephen how come you aren't > >in on this? > > > >By the way KJ, if you could update the web page, my contribution to the tape > >was a 1977 Jazz piece by MFSB, called "My Mood." Date of recording, August > >21, 2002. > > > >Thanx, > >Roland Alford > >West Vancouver, BC > >=========================== > > > >Next in line: > > > >John M. Smokevitch > >200 Shoreline Drive > >Berwyn, PA > >19312 > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 11:39:33 +0530 (IST) > >From: kannan_s at vsnl.com > >Subject: [none] > > > >If there is enough space in this tape I can participate as I am right now in Sanjose. > >I will be around here for some more time > >Kannan > > > >roleo at telus.net wrote > >Just to update everyone the status of the M1 Tape: > > > >It is now on it's way to Andy Dundis in Nebraska. I believe next in line is > >John Smokevitch. (Address at end of e-mail for Andy's sake.) > > > >K.J. Bleus, please remind us where it goes next after that. Are there new > >additions? I placed the second track on side "B". Even with the two others > >following me, we'll still have room for 4 or 5. Stephen how come you aren't > >in on this? > > > >By the way KJ, if you could update the web page, my contribution to the tape > >was a 1977 Jazz piece by MFSB, called "My Mood." Date of recording, August > >21, 2002. > > > >Thanx, > >Roland Alford > >West Vancouver, BC > >=========================== > > > >Next in line: > > > >John M. Smokevitch > >200 Shoreline Drive > >Berwyn, PA > >19312 > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > >------------------------------ > > > >Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 08:08:02 +0100 > >From: Graham Nelson > >Subject: [naktalk] RE: Tape 1 > > > > Stephen how come you aren't > >in on this? > >[Graham Nelson] He's busy repairing things! ;o) > > > >- --- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 02/08/02 > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > >------------------------------ > > > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2568 > >****************************** > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Wed Aug 28 03:08:34 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:08:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes References: <20020827.200443.-334133.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <006001c24e2f$6f55ab30$bd021fac@brianm> I have used tape before to pull a tweeter out. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > Guys, > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't > look like it's possible to open them up. > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back > into shape? > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Wed Aug 28 03:04:35 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:04:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes References: <20020827.200443.-334133.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3D6C21A0.4EECCDFD@snet.net> There are a few things you can try, but do so at your own risk and please don't think any less of me for what may seem a little "kinky". I've had some luck with sucking domes out with pursed lips... imagine giving your tweeters a big wet one with a lot of suction (remember I told you not to think any less of me... it's all in the name of audio). You can also try double sided sticky tape although this has never worked for me personally. In extreme situations I have very carefully used a fine sewing needle to poke and pull. This will almost always leave some visual artifact and is best used with silk domes. Finally, I have heard of people using a vacuum cleaner hose attachment, but am simply too nervous that the suction could possibly tear out the whole diaphragm! Ed josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Guys, > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't > look like it's possible to open them up. > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back > into shape? > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > Guys, > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't > look like it's possible to open them up. > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back > into shape? > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Aug 28 03:32:33 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:32:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: <20020827.213236.-390017.1.josephj69@juno.com> Thanks for the tips guys. I've actually tried masking tape, black electrical tape, and scotch tape, but none of them would adhere to the domes. I also tried the suction thing with a big shop vac, but that apparently didn't have enough suction. The domes are some kind of gold colored aluminum. The magnets behind them are enormous for such small (and CHEAP) speakers. Incidentally, these are the speakers that come with the one-box Teac "Reference" minisystems. I'll try duct tape next... - Joe On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:12:06 -0400 "Stephen Sank" writes: > Lightly stick the corner of a piece of duct tape to the dome, then > pull. > You may need to do it a few times to get it popped out & resembling > round > again. The best stuff for this is actually a tacky damping material > called > "microsorb", which I always have some of around, but I don't imagine > you > have any handy. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > > > > Guys, > > > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini > system > > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two > tweeters are > > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the > store. > > > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get > at the > > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it > doesn't > > look like it's possible to open them up. > > > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it > back > > into shape? > > > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > > > - Joe > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Aug 28 03:43:46 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:43:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: <20020827.214347.-390017.4.josephj69@juno.com> Okay, tried the duct tape and that has given the best result yet. They are nowhere near "dome" shape, but at least I pulled some of the crumpled aluminum outward away from the magnet. It's still pretty crumpled, however. Incidentally, how much will the crumpled domes affect the sound in low-end speakers like this? - Joe On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:32:33 -0400 josephj69 at juno.com writes: > Thanks for the tips guys. I've actually tried masking tape, black > electrical tape, and scotch tape, but none of them would adhere to > the > domes. I also tried the suction thing with a big shop vac, but > that > apparently didn't have enough suction. > > The domes are some kind of gold colored aluminum. The magnets > behind > them are enormous for such small (and CHEAP) speakers. > Incidentally, > these are the speakers that come with the one-box Teac "Reference" > minisystems. > > I'll try duct tape next... > > - Joe > > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:12:06 -0400 "Stephen Sank" > > writes: > > Lightly stick the corner of a piece of duct tape to the dome, then > > > pull. > > You may need to do it a few times to get it popped out & > resembling > > round > > again. The best stuff for this is actually a tacky damping > material > > called > > "microsorb", which I always have some of around, but I don't > imagine > > you > > have any handy. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > > > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo > mini > > system > > > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two > > tweeters are > > > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the > > store. > > > > > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to > get > > at the > > > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and > it > > doesn't > > > look like it's possible to open them up. > > > > > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is > there > > > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull > it > > back > > > into shape? > > > > > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Aug 28 09:57:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:57:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: <01C24E71.BF39C360.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I've achieved the same effect using a variable suction vacuum cleaner, putting the nozzle over the crushed tweeter with the suction set to minimum and gradually increasing he strength until the dome pops back into shape. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [SMTP:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 12:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Lightly stick the corner of a piece of duct tape to the dome, then pull. You may need to do it a few times to get it popped out & resembling round again. The best stuff for this is actually a tacky damping material called "microsorb", which I always have some of around, but I don't imagine you have any handy. Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > Guys, > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't > look like it's possible to open them up. > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back > into shape? > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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The best stuff for this is actually a tacky > damping material called > "microsorb", which I always have some of around, but > I don't imagine you > have any handy. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog > Transducer Co. > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: > stephen806 at yahoo.com > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter > domes > > > > Guys, > > > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some > simple trick to > > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up > an ex-demo mini system > > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on > the two tweeters are > > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with > them in the store. > > > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems > there's no way to get at the > > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in > plastic, and it doesn't > > look like it's possible to open them up. > > > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these > out. Is there > > something sticky you can affix to the flattened > dome, then pull it back > > into shape? > > > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > > > - Joe > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > > Join Juno today! 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Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 11:31:57 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:31:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Opinions on Nad 614 In-Reply-To: <01C24E71.BF39C360.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020828093157.6263.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone I dusted my quirky single head 614 It has the bad habit of sometimes going into record when it's turned on. It's reputed to be Nad's best sounding deck and the mechanicals are decent if not superior. I guess you can't have everything. Anyway I was trying to fix the bug but started doing some listening instead. After a few minutes it dawned on me that this is one superb sounding deck. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it in comparison with the 3 head Naks and the B215. I could almost swear it's in that league sonically at least but I'de like to hear what others think. See Ya Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 11:50:14 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <20020828092156.42007.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020828095014.53896.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines this year. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 28 16:05:17 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:05:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes References: <20020827.214347.-390017.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3D6CD89D.425F2F77@rcn.com> Based on what Aerial Acoustics speaker designer and owner Mike Kelly told me, a crushed dome (in that particular case, on a squaker) had no sonic effect. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Okay, tried the duct tape and that has given the best result yet. They > are nowhere near "dome" shape, but at least I pulled some of the crumpled > aluminum outward away from the magnet. It's still pretty crumpled, > however. > > Incidentally, how much will the crumpled domes affect the sound in > low-end speakers like this? > > - Joe > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:32:33 -0400 josephj69 at juno.com writes: > > Thanks for the tips guys. I've actually tried masking tape, black > > electrical tape, and scotch tape, but none of them would adhere to > > the > > domes. I also tried the suction thing with a big shop vac, but > > that > > apparently didn't have enough suction. > > > > The domes are some kind of gold colored aluminum. The magnets > > behind > > them are enormous for such small (and CHEAP) speakers. > > Incidentally, > > these are the speakers that come with the one-box Teac "Reference" > > minisystems. > > > > I'll try duct tape next... > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:12:06 -0400 "Stephen Sank" > > > > writes: > > > Lightly stick the corner of a piece of duct tape to the dome, then > > > > > pull. > > > You may need to do it a few times to get it popped out & > > resembling > > > round > > > again. The best stuff for this is actually a tacky damping > > material > > > called > > > "microsorb", which I always have some of around, but I don't > > imagine > > > you > > > have any handy. > > > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & RCA Ribbon Mic Restorer > > > Champlain Valley Speaker Company, aka Talking Dog Transducer Co. > > > http://stephensank.com > > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > > Albuquerque, New Mexico p.z.[ 87112 ] > > > 505-332-0336 phone / Back-up email: stephen806 at yahoo.com > > > mc/visa accepted via Paypal.com: > > > https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=bk11%40thuntek.net > > > Authorised McIntosh/Nakamichi Servicer > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: > > > To: > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:04 PM > > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > > > > > > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > > > > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo > > mini > > > system > > > > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two > > > tweeters are > > > > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the > > > store. > > > > > > > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to > > get > > > at the > > > > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and > > it > > > doesn't > > > > look like it's possible to open them up. > > > > > > > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is > > there > > > > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull > > it > > > back > > > > into shape? > > > > > > > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > - Joe ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 28 16:06:36 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:06:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828095014.53896.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D6CD8EC.670CCE28@rcn.com> Javier Perez wrote: > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines > this year. > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something that has been dead for years? -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Wed Aug 28 16:34:53 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:34:53 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: A word of caution. I tried to resolve the same problem by.....dismantling the drive units. Once the back plate and magnet were off I could stick my finger to the back of the dome and it pushed back out perfectly. Now, Try to reassemble the magnet assembly without trapping the delicate voice coil.....it's ridiculous!, and those magnets don't half have trapping power when they get about 1mm away from their mounting plate. This pretty effectively removes skin form the finger tips (which in itself is probably no big deal, but may affect speaker operation). I solved the problem by buying new drive units and was subsequently told that damaged domes have no affect on sound! Ken josephj69 at jun o.com To: naktalk at naks.com Sent by: cc: owner-naktalk Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes @naks.com 08/27/02 06:04 PM Please respond to naktalk Guys, This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't look like it's possible to open them up. I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back into shape? Any tips greatly appreciated. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 16:42:39 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6CD8EC.670CCE28@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020828144239.81525.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Not really The pro market still uses Beta but like their vhs counterparts they are now going with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to the package pickup area to collect my wife's new and thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC dubbing deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and brought it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the thing was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks like old PCs Javier PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just curious. --- Ron wrote: > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > machines > > this year. > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > that has been dead for years? > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Aug 28 16:51:39 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:51:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828095014.53896.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6CD8EC.670CCE28@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000801c24ea2$6ad04de0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Wow! And here I thought that it was 'Radio who Killed The Video Star!' --(Groan)-- Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Aug 28 17:35:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:35:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes References: <20020827.214347.-390017.4.josephj69@juno.com> <3D6CD89D.425F2F77@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001601c24ea8$8b601f80$a91a9bca@smarzuki> Also safer to say that it has little or no 'audible' effect .... =) Anyway, that's my involuntary experience having dented a concave focal tweeter (no idea at all on how to get it back to its original shape). Imho even speakers' grille would have more sonic effect. However, badly crushed tweeter usually has its former / voice coil misshaped, and that's the sensitive part. Best result would come by taking the whole diaphragm & coil out and restore it, if possible ... I have a soft dome a/d/s tweeter which looks 'sucked in' ... and everytime i squeeze it back to original dome shape, it slowly moved back inward, as if the material has deformed (heat ?). Well, this one clearly sounds dull compared to the other good tweeter. Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Based on what Aerial Acoustics speaker designer and owner Mike Kelly told me, a crushed dome (in that particular case, on a squaker) had no sonic effect. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > Okay, tried the duct tape and that has given the best result yet. They > are nowhere near "dome" shape, but at least I pulled some of the crumpled > aluminum outward away from the magnet. It's still pretty crumpled, > however. > > Incidentally, how much will the crumpled domes affect the sound in > low-end speakers like this? > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 28 17:24:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:24:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes References: Message-ID: <3D6CEB3E.E79D70AB@rcn.com> Too bad about the speaker you ruined. The ONLY way to reassemble a torn down driver is to remove the dome AND the cone. This allows you to re-glue the cone in place, after placing shims around the magnet pole piece. An article purporting to teach newbies how to repair speakers, suggested that after reassembly, one should carefully move the cone in and out, to make sure the VC doesn't rub against the pole piece. If it doesn't, said the article, then congratulations! you have just finished repairing your speaker. If it does rub -- too bad, but think of all the experience you've gained... -- Ron Ken Bentley wrote: > > A word of caution. > I tried to resolve the same problem by.....dismantling the drive units. > Once the back plate and magnet were off I could stick my finger to the back > of the dome and it pushed back out perfectly. > Now, > Try to reassemble the magnet assembly without trapping the delicate voice > coil.....it's ridiculous!, and those magnets don't half have trapping power > when they get about 1mm away from their mounting plate. This pretty > effectively removes skin form the finger tips (which in itself is probably > no big deal, but may affect speaker operation). > > I solved the problem by buying new drive units and was subsequently told > that damaged domes have no affect on sound! > > Ken > > > josephj69 at jun > o.com To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent by: cc: > owner-naktalk Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > @naks.com > > > 08/27/02 > 06:04 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > Guys, > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't > look like it's possible to open them up. > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back > into shape? > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 28 17:31:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:31:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828144239.81525.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D6CECCA.823F969@rcn.com> I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been dead for many years. This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) still own and play them; TTs are still being made; there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, D E A D ! -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Not really > The pro market still uses Beta but > like their vhs counterparts they are now going > with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as > will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to the > package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC dubbing > deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and brought > it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the thing > was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks like > old PCs > > Javier > > PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just curious. > > --- Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > machines > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > that has been dead for years? > > > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Wed Aug 28 18:23:38 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:23:38 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: Experience gained at some cost! (not the cost of the new drive units - but the derision from the wife, especially when she heard they would've been allright if I'd left them alone!) Ron cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes owner-naktalk @naks.com 08/28/02 09:24 AM Please respond to naktalk Too bad about the speaker you ruined. The ONLY way to reassemble a torn down driver is to remove the dome AND the cone. This allows you to re-glue the cone in place, after placing shims around the magnet pole piece. An article purporting to teach newbies how to repair speakers, suggested that after reassembly, one should carefully move the cone in and out, to make sure the VC doesn't rub against the pole piece. If it doesn't, said the article, then congratulations! you have just finished repairing your speaker. If it does rub -- too bad, but think of all the experience you've gained... -- Ron Ken Bentley wrote: > > A word of caution. > I tried to resolve the same problem by.....dismantling the drive units. > Once the back plate and magnet were off I could stick my finger to the back > of the dome and it pushed back out perfectly. > Now, > Try to reassemble the magnet assembly without trapping the delicate voice > coil.....it's ridiculous!, and those magnets don't half have trapping power > when they get about 1mm away from their mounting plate. This pretty > effectively removes skin form the finger tips (which in itself is probably > no big deal, but may affect speaker operation). > > I solved the problem by buying new drive units and was subsequently told > that damaged domes have no affect on sound! > > Ken > > > josephj69 at jun > o.com To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent by: cc: > owner-naktalk Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > @naks.com > > > 08/27/02 > 06:04 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > Guys, > > This may be a dumb question, but is there some simple trick to > "un-crushing" aluminum dome tweeters? I picked up an ex-demo mini system > for the bedroom REALLY REALLY cheap. The domes on the two tweeters are > crushed in, probably from stupid kids playing with them in the store. > > I tried removing the tweeters, but it seems there's no way to get at the > back side of the domes. They're self enclosed in plastic, and it doesn't > look like it's possible to open them up. > > I'm wondering if there's a trick to popping these out. Is there > something sticky you can affix to the flattened dome, then pull it back > into shape? > > Any tips greatly appreciated. > > - Joe > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 18:48:32 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6CECCA.823F969@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020828164832.21643.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Yes but beta is as alive in the pro video world today as vhs is in the consumer world. So it's not dead in the same sense as vinyl. Even when Sony stops production there will be millions of hours of video footage archived in Beta that will have to be transcribed thus keeping beta alive for at least 3 more years! Not so with vinyl because it was an end user product while Beta is a source user product!!! Javier --- Ron wrote: > > I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > dead for many years. > > This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > D E A D ! > > -- Ron > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Not really > > The pro market still uses Beta but > > like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as > > will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to > the > > package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > dubbing > > deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > brought > > it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > thing > > was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > like > > old PCs > > > > Javier > > > > PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > curious. > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > > machines > > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > something > > > that has been dead for years? > > > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Aug 28 19:00:17 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:00:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] 8-Track Rules!! (On Pluto) References: <20020828095014.53896.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401c24eb4$62e0e1a0$3db5b742@pii366custom> 8-Track is still alive and well in Analog Reel and Digital format, but I presume you are asking about the 8-Track cartridge tape of the 70's, which was a bad idea before it started but lacking something better, it was pretty popular. Among other things, you couldn't rewind the tape, and only a few decks had a fast forward function. I remember having an AKAI rel deck with an 8-track recorder in the side, and it sounded okay. Pioneer made a pretty decent looking deck in the mid-seventies, just before cassette took over. See link below. After having a few 8-track decks, I can see why Nakamichi never bothered with the format. http://kingofbargains.com/ss637960.JPG Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Aug 28 19:13:06 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:13:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes Message-ID: <20020828.131306.-192651.5.josephj69@juno.com> Guys, thanks for all the tips. I got the best result so far with the duct tape. Glad to hear that there shouldn't be much affect on their performance. It's one of those things that would otherwise bother my subconscious. I have to say that they do sound surprisingly decent for what they are. They also looked fairly robust inside. Both of the drivers use fairly large magnets, and there's a real crossover inside the cabinets, along with some damping material. These little speakers also have best gold plated 5 way binding posts I've ever seen on an any pair of speakers costing under $200! Not bad for "free with the radio" speakers. - Joe On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:35:30 +0700 Salim Marzuki writes: > > Also safer to say that it has little or no 'audible' effect .... =) > > Anyway, that's my involuntary experience having dented a concave > focal > tweeter (no idea at all on how to get it back to its original > shape). Imho > even speakers' grille would have more sonic effect. However, badly > crushed > tweeter usually has its former / voice coil misshaped, and that's > the > sensitive part. Best result would come by taking the whole > diaphragm & coil > out and restore it, if possible ... > > I have a soft dome a/d/s tweeter which looks 'sucked in' ... and > everytime i > squeeze it back to original dome shape, it slowly moved back inward, > as if > the material has deformed (heat ?). Well, this one clearly sounds > dull > compared to the other good tweeter. > > Good luck ! > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: repairing crushed tweeter domes > > > > Based on what Aerial Acoustics speaker designer and > owner Mike Kelly told me, a crushed dome (in that > particular case, on a squaker) had no sonic effect. > > -- Ron > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > Okay, tried the duct tape and that has given the best result yet. > They > > are nowhere near "dome" shape, but at least I pulled some of the > crumpled > > aluminum outward away from the magnet. It's still pretty > crumpled, > > however. > > > > Incidentally, how much will the crumpled domes affect the sound > in > > low-end speakers like this? > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ======= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 28 20:23:42 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:23:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828095014.53896.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6CD8EC.670CCE28@rcn.com> Message-ID: <015b01c24ec0$0bfb4860$9bed3fd0@oemcomputer> I don't think they are refering to professional Beta It looks like Sony still made consumer beta products in Japan. Given all the asian legacy products like HD laserdisc I'm not surprised. By the way the LP is not dead it's still on life support Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines > > this year. > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > that has been dead for years? > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Aug 28 21:25:27 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:25:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828144239.81525.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6CECCA.823F969@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002001c24ec8$b46dddc0$392f2ac4@CopyTech> Ron: I agree with you on this. Same as our beloved cassette. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > dead for many years. > > This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > D E A D ! > > -- Ron > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > Not really > > The pro market still uses Beta but > > like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as > > will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to the > > package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC dubbing > > deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and brought > > it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the thing > > was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks like > > old PCs > > > > Javier > > > > PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just curious. > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > > machines > > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > > that has been dead for years? > > > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Wed Aug 28 21:17:35 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:17:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Message-ID: <3D6F9CA5@mail.totalise.co.uk> >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere near dead. 90% of dj`s use vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY available on vinyl. In fact my label distributes quite a lot of it for third parties.And that includes many lp`s! Fred ===== Original Message From Ron ===== >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been >dead for many years. > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, >D E A D ! > >-- Ron > > > >Javier Perez wrote: >> >> Not really >> The pro market still uses Beta but >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to the >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC dubbing >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and brought >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the thing >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks like >> old PCs >> >> Javier >> >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just curious. >> >> --- Ron wrote: >> > Javier Perez wrote: >> > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta >> > machines >> > > this year. >> > > >> > > >> > >> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml >> > > >> > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something >> > that has been dead for years? >> > >> > -- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mark8559 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 28 21:47:25 2002 From: mark8559 at hotmail.com (Mark Exstedt) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:47:25 -0600 Subject: Fwd: [naktalk] 8-Track Rules!! (On Pluto) Message-ID: Yes, I actually owned one of these (or very similar). It was back in '75-'76. Retail price if I remembered well was $300. It was a great recorder. I'm not sure if it erase the old music 100%. The problem I had was the head alignment kept on getting out of wack. Consider it a piece of crap now. Gee, thanks for the flashbacks Roland! >From: "Roland Alford" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] 8-Track Rules!! (On Pluto) >Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:00:17 -0700 > >8-Track is still alive and well in Analog Reel and Digital format, but I >presume you are asking about the 8-Track cartridge tape of the 70's, which >was a bad idea before it started but lacking something better, it was >pretty >popular. Among other things, you couldn't rewind the tape, and only a few >decks had a fast forward function. > >I remember having an AKAI rel deck with an 8-track recorder in the side, >and >it sounded okay. Pioneer made a pretty decent looking deck in the >mid-seventies, just before cassette took over. See link below. After >having >a few 8-track decks, I can see why Nakamichi never bothered with the >format. > >http://kingofbargains.com/ss637960.JPG > >Roland > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Aug 28 22:31:09 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:31:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6F9CA5@mail.totalise.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020828203109.59891.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of dead. For example, I believe there is a company out there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel tape is still commonly available and a few labels still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few neurotics resurrect them! Javier PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: --- FRED MOSS wrote: > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > available on vinyl. In fact my > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > parties.And that includes many > lp`s! > Fred > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > ===== > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > >dead for many years. > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > >D E A D ! > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > >> > >> Not really > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > as > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > to the > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > dubbing > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > brought > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > thing > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > like > >> old PCs > >> > >> Javier > >> > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > curious. > >> > >> --- Ron wrote: > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > >> > machines > >> > > this year. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > >> > > > >> > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > something > >> > that has been dead for years? > >> > > >> > -- Ron > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed Aug 28 23:10:36 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:10:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <20020828203109.59891.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000101c24ed7$5b72a390$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Thank you Fred. I totally agree. While u may not get your latest Britney Spears on wax, I'd say that maybe 25% of the new released major label pop music has vinyl along w/ the CD, albeit released in small quantities. Not to mention the ton of independent label LP's & 7"ers that are being released. If I buy 10 new LP's a week I still don't even get close to buying all the stuff being put out. Long live vinyl. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of dead. For example, I believe there is a company out there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel tape is still commonly available and a few labels still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few neurotics resurrect them! Javier PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: --- FRED MOSS wrote: > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > available on vinyl. In fact my > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > parties.And that includes many > lp`s! > Fred > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > ===== > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > >dead for many years. > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > >D E A D ! > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > >> > >> Not really > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > as > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > to the > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > dubbing > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > brought > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > thing > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > like > >> old PCs > >> > >> Javier > >> > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > curious. > >> > >> --- Ron wrote: > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > >> > machines > >> > > this year. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > >> > > > >> > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > something > >> > that has been dead for years? > >> > > >> > -- Ron > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 28 23:21:57 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:21:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam References: <20020828095014.53896.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6CD8EC.670CCE28@rcn.com> <015b01c24ec0$0bfb4860$9bed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <010a01c24ed8$f0a8ec20$9bed3fd0@oemcomputer> I was right its only the consumer beta thats being killed Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the format, adding the move would not affect its Betacam products for the broadcasting industry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > I don't think they are refering to professional Beta > It looks like Sony still made consumer beta products in Japan. > Given all the asian legacy products like HD laserdisc I'm not surprised. > By the way the LP is not dead it's still on life support > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines > > > this year. > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > that has been dead for years? > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Aug 28 23:49:14 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:49:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828203109.59891.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D6D455A.62E15CB2@rcn.com> To me, a format is dead when the general public no longer knows what it is. By this definition, Beta is dead, notwithstanding its use in *professional* circles. LPs are just as dead (when I play LPs, the teenagers in the house smirk loudly). BTW, 100% of the DJs I saw in the past few years (admittedly, not that many) played CDs exclusively. More examples: Elcaset isn't just dead -- it was actually stillborn. Eight track is deader than a door nail. 45s are in the same list. etc., etc.. Did anyone mention vacuum tubes? -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of > dead. For example, I believe there is a company out > there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel > tape is still commonly available and a few labels > still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. > Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few > neurotics resurrect them! > Javier > > PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: > > --- FRED MOSS wrote: > > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > > available on vinyl. In fact my > > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > > parties.And that includes many > > lp`s! > > Fred > > > > > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > > ===== > > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > > >dead for many years. > > > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > > >D E A D ! > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > >> Not really > > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > > as > > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > > to the > > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > > dubbing > > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > > brought > > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > > thing > > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > > like > > >> old PCs > > >> > > >> Javier > > >> > > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > > curious. > > >> > > >> --- Ron wrote: > > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > >> > machines > > >> > > this year. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > > something > > >> > that has been dead for years? > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of dead. For example, I believe there is a company out there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel tape is still commonly available and a few labels still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few neurotics resurrect them! Javier PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: --- FRED MOSS wrote: > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > available on vinyl. In fact my > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > parties.And that includes many > lp`s! > Fred > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > ===== > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > >dead for many years. > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > >D E A D ! > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > >> > >> Not really > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > as > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > to the > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > dubbing > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > brought > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > thing > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > like > >> old PCs > >> > >> Javier > >> > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > curious. > >> > >> --- Ron wrote: > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > >> > machines > >> > > this year. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > >> > > > >> > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > something > >> > that has been dead for years? > >> > > >> > -- Ron > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Wed Aug 28 23:59:52 2002 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:59:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Message-ID: Dear John, Where does one purchase vinyl from. No stores, mega or others, in columbus, ohio carry vinyl. any tips would be appreciated. Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:bjgrady at pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Thank you Fred. I totally agree. While u may not get your latest Britney Spears on wax, I'd say that maybe 25% of the new released major label pop music has vinyl along w/ the CD, albeit released in small quantities. Not to mention the ton of independent label LP's & 7"ers that are being released. If I buy 10 new LP's a week I still don't even get close to buying all the stuff being put out. Long live vinyl. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of dead. For example, I believe there is a company out there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel tape is still commonly available and a few labels still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few neurotics resurrect them! Javier PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: --- FRED MOSS wrote: > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > available on vinyl. In fact my > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > parties.And that includes many > lp`s! > Fred > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > ===== > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > >dead for many years. > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > >D E A D ! > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > >> > >> Not really > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > as > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > to the > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > dubbing > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > brought > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > thing > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > like > >> old PCs > >> > >> Javier > >> > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > curious. > >> > >> --- Ron wrote: > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > >> > machines > >> > > this year. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > >> > > > >> > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > something > >> > that has been dead for years? > >> > > >> > -- Ron > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= == > ====== > > Totalise - the Users ISP > ---------------------- > To become a member and a shareholder > visit http://www.totalise.net > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:22 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam I was right its only the consumer beta thats being killed Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the format, adding the move would not affect its Betacam products for the broadcasting industry. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > I don't think they are refering to professional Beta > It looks like Sony still made consumer beta products in Japan. > Given all the asian legacy products like HD laserdisc I'm not surprised. > By the way the LP is not dead it's still on life support > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines > > > this year. > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > that has been dead for years? > > > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Aug 29 00:32:56 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:32:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6D455A.62E15CB2@rcn.com> Message-ID: The litmus test for finding out if something is generally DEAD or not - hand it to a teenager and see if they would know what to do with it ... I remember my 6 year old asking older neighbors if he could use the phone. They pointed him to an old rotary phone. He said louder, knowing that they may not hear as well - "Not this thing, I need the phone, the thing to dial a number, you know, the phone ..." Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Wed, August 28, 2002 4:49 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! To me, a format is dead when the general public no longer knows what it is. By this definition, Beta is dead, notwithstanding its use in *professional* circles. LPs are just as dead (when I play LPs, the teenagers in the house smirk loudly). BTW, 100% of the DJs I saw in the past few years (admittedly, not that many) played CDs exclusively. More examples: Elcaset isn't just dead -- it was actually stillborn. Eight track is deader than a door nail. 45s are in the same list. etc., etc.. Did anyone mention vacuum tubes? -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of > dead. For example, I believe there is a company out > there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel > tape is still commonly available and a few labels > still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. > Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few > neurotics resurrect them! > Javier > > PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: > > --- FRED MOSS wrote: > > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > > available on vinyl. In fact my > > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > > parties.And that includes many > > lp`s! > > Fred > > > > > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > > ===== > > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > > >dead for many years. > > > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > > >D E A D ! > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > >> Not really > > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > > as > > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > > to the > > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > > dubbing > > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > > brought > > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > > thing > > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > > like > > >> old PCs > > >> > > >> Javier > > >> > > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > > curious. > > >> > > >> --- Ron wrote: > > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > >> > machines > > >> > > this year. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > > something > > >> > that has been dead for years? > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 29 00:52:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:52:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TO: Vinyl 4 John Message-ID: <01C24EEE.80654A60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> John There are a number of mail order specialists in the UK who sell vinyl, alot of it actually being imported from the US. And it's not all premium price stuff, either - e.g. as little as ?12 a record and sometimes even less where there are overstocks. (Seen some blues and jazz for as little as ?7 each! One of them was a 18g pressing, too.) When I find one of the catalogues (which I know has a web site) I'll post it for you and all to see. Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Eric Reidinger [SMTP:ereidinger at foresightcorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:00 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Dear John, Where does one purchase vinyl from. No stores, mega or others, in columbus, ohio carry vinyl. any tips would be appreciated. Thanks Eric -----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:bjgrady at pacbell.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:11 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Thank you Fred. I totally agree. While u may not get your latest Britney Spears on wax, I'd say that maybe 25% of the new released major label pop music has vinyl along w/ the CD, albeit released in small quantities. Not to mention the ton of independent label LP's & 7"ers that are being released. If I buy 10 new LP's a week I still don't even get close to buying all the stuff being put out. Long live vinyl. Cal John. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:31 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of dead. For example, I believe there is a company out there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel tape is still commonly available and a few labels still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few neurotics resurrect them! Javier PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: --- FRED MOSS wrote: > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > available on vinyl. In fact my > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > parties.And that includes many > lp`s! > Fred > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > ===== > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > >dead for many years. > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > >D E A D ! > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > >> > >> Not really > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > as > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > to the > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > dubbing > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > brought > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > thing > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > like > >> old PCs > >> > >> Javier > >> > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > curious. > >> > >> --- Ron wrote: > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > >> > machines > >> > > this year. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > >> > > > >> > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? 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As far as 8 tracks go I never liked them, but do remember cruising down the road with my buddies in high school, being blown away by Emerson Lake & Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound was great but in those days the mind was altered by substances which made anything sound great. Yes quite a flashback indeed! Best, Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Oh, well, never mind ;>) Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Thu Aug 29 01:17:44 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaking of dead/alive formats... Message-ID: With all this talk of dead formats I have a question. One of you mentioned that DAT is alive and well. What portable and component DAT decks are worth buying? Are there new high-quality DAT decks still being produced? Are there differences between brands of DAT tape? I have a friend who is a popular DJ and he has a dual TEAC TT/dual CD setup. Virtually all of his music is on vinyl, though he uses CD-Rs to create mix CDs. As far as I know, there still isn't a way to "scratch" a CD. It's sure easier to adjust the pitch of vinyl too. Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 01:37:44 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020828233744.51108.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Emerson Lake & > Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound > was great but in those > days the mind was altered by substances which made > anything sound great. Yup That's why they took the lead out of gasolene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 01:43:09 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaking of dead/alive formats... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020828234309.41543.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> No the decks aren't being made but there's dat tape all over the place thanks to the computer freaks Thus, the format lives! Speaking of dead formats. There was a third video cassette format that only lasted a few years but I don't remember what it was. Now that's truly dead for ya! Javier --- Erik Lotspeich wrote: > With all this talk of dead formats I have a > question. One of you > mentioned that DAT is alive and well. What portable > and component DAT > decks are worth buying? Are there new high-quality > DAT decks still being > produced? Are there differences between brands of > DAT tape? > > I have a friend who is a popular DJ and he has a > dual TEAC TT/dual CD > setup. Virtually all of his music is on vinyl, > though he uses CD-Rs to > create mix CDs. As far as I know, there still isn't > a way to "scratch" > a CD. It's sure easier to adjust the pitch of vinyl > too. > > Thanks, > > Erik. > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 29 01:45:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:45:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6D1CA9.1503.ABA924@localhost> Message-ID: <3D6D609A.ACA0CA68@rcn.com> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > To me, a format is dead when the general public no > > longer knows what it is. > > > > > > > Eight track is deader than a > > door nail. 45s are in the same list. etc. > > EXCUSE ME?? I have been carrying a .45 for years, and I guarantee > the only thing about it that is dead is the foul miscreant that accosts me. > . . > > Er, what's that? Oh, he meant 45 RPM records! > > Oh, well, never mind ;>) LOL.... -- Ron > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Just curious. > > --- Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > machines > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > that has been dead for years? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Grinham ... -----Original Message----- From: Michael E DeWire [SMTP:mdewire at ameritech.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:21 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam I agree in that having worked in the TV business for 20 years, professional Betacam is still alive and well and will be for quite awhile. As far as 8 tracks go I never liked them, but do remember cruising down the road with my buddies in high school, being blown away by Emerson Lake & Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound was great but in those days the mind was altered by substances which made anything sound great. Yes quite a flashback indeed! Best, Michael --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Aug 29 01:50:25 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:50:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] TO: Vinyl 4 John References: <01C24EEE.80654A60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D6D61C1.1E0049AF@rcn.com> My source for LPs has been ebay. I've picked up a few for a pittance ($3 to $8 apiece). Unfortunately, ebay is riddled with 'honesty challenged' sellers and I have given up on several deals where I didn't feel sufficiently assured that the merchandise will actually materialize after payment. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > John > > There are a number of mail order specialists in the UK who sell vinyl, alot > of it actually being imported from the US. And it's not all premium price > stuff, either - e.g. as little as ?12 a record and sometimes even less > where there are overstocks. (Seen some blues and jazz for as little as ?7 > each! One of them was a 18g pressing, too.) When I find one of the > catalogues (which I know has a web site) I'll post it for you and all to > see. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Reidinger [SMTP:ereidinger at foresightcorp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > Dear John, > > Where does one purchase vinyl from. No stores, mega or others, in > columbus, ohio carry vinyl. any tips would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:bjgrady at pacbell.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > Thank you Fred. I totally agree. While u may not get your latest Britney > Spears on wax, I'd say that maybe 25% of the new released major label pop > music has vinyl along w/ the CD, albeit released in small quantities. > > Not to mention the ton of independent label LP's & 7"ers that are being > released. If I buy 10 new LP's a week I still don't even get close to > buying > all the stuff being put out. > > Long live vinyl. > > Cal John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:31 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of > dead. For example, I believe there is a company out > there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel > tape is still commonly available and a few labels > still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. > Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few > neurotics resurrect them! > Javier > > PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: > > --- FRED MOSS wrote: > > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > > available on vinyl. In fact my > > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > > parties.And that includes many > > lp`s! > > Fred > > > > > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > > ===== > > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > > >dead for many years. > > > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > > >D E A D ! > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > >> Not really > > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > > as > > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > > to the > > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > > dubbing > > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > > brought > > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > > thing > > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > > like > > >> old PCs > > >> > > >> Javier > > >> > > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > > curious. > > >> > > >> --- Ron wrote: > > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > >> > machines > > >> > > this year. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > > something > > >> > that has been dead for years? > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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ED Javier Perez wrote: > Not really > The pro market still uses Beta but > like their vhs counterparts they are now going > with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as > will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to the > package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC dubbing > deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and brought > it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the thing > was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks like > old PCs > > Javier > > PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just curious. > > --- Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > machines > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? 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Ed Michael E DeWire wrote: > I agree in that having worked in the TV business for 20 years, professional > Betacam is still alive and well and will be for quite awhile. > > As far as 8 tracks go I never liked them, but do remember cruising down the > road with my buddies in high school, being blown away by Emerson Lake & > Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound was great but in those > days the mind was altered by substances which made anything sound great. Yes > quite a flashback indeed! > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam > > I was right its only the consumer beta thats being killed > Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the > format, adding the move would not affect its Betacam > products for the broadcasting industry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > I don't think they are refering to professional Beta > > It looks like Sony still made consumer beta products in Japan. > > Given all the asian legacy products like HD laserdisc I'm not surprised. > > By the way the LP is not dead it's still on life support > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines > > > > this year. > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Aug 29 03:23:58 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:23:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam References: <01C24EEE.82860780.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D6D77AD.ECD405EA@snet.net> Didn't they both tend to travel together 8^0 Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > Michael > > Was that Mary Jane in the car with you or Lucy (in-the-Sky) Diamond?! > > Grinham ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael E DeWire [SMTP:mdewire at ameritech.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam > > I agree in that having worked in the TV business for 20 years, professional > Betacam is still alive and well and will be for quite awhile. > > As far as 8 tracks go I never liked them, but do remember cruising down the > road with my buddies in high school, being blown away by Emerson Lake & > Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound was great but in those > days the mind was altered by substances which made anything sound great. Yes > quite a flashback indeed! > > Best, > > Michael > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vinl4evr at swbell.net Thu Aug 29 04:22:41 2002 From: vinl4evr at swbell.net (Dennis Reese) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:22:41 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2586 In-Reply-To: <200208290014.CAA18035@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000a01c24f02$f665a2a0$0502a8c0@DR1> I've been an observer for a couple of years but never a contributor/critic. The comments about vinyl being dead is far from wrong and forced me out of the "closet"! While I'm afraid the poor US economy is going to permanently damage the audiophile/analog industry, there are a number of e-commerce sites selling more new/used vinyl than I can ever hope to attain. Go to http://www.redtrumpet.com/main.php or http://www.acousticsounds.com/ for starters. Email me direct if you would like some other sources for new/used lps. dr -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:15 PM To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2586 naktalk-digest Thursday, August 29 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2586 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 19:50:25 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] TO: Vinyl 4 John My source for LPs has been ebay. I've picked up a few for a pittance ($3 to $8 apiece). Unfortunately, ebay is riddled with 'honesty challenged' sellers and I have given up on several deals where I didn't feel sufficiently assured that the merchandise will actually materialize after payment. - -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > John > > There are a number of mail order specialists in the UK who sell vinyl, alot > of it actually being imported from the US. And it's not all premium price > stuff, either - e.g. as little as ?12 a record and sometimes even less > where there are overstocks. (Seen some blues and jazz for as little as ?7 > each! One of them was a 18g pressing, too.) When I find one of the > catalogues (which I know has a web site) I'll post it for you and all to > see. > > Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Reidinger [SMTP:ereidinger at foresightcorp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:00 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > Dear John, > > Where does one purchase vinyl from. No stores, mega or others, in > columbus, ohio carry vinyl. any tips would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Eric > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:bjgrady at pacbell.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:11 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > Thank you Fred. I totally agree. While u may not get your latest Britney > Spears on wax, I'd say that maybe 25% of the new released major label pop > music has vinyl along w/ the CD, albeit released in small quantities. > > Not to mention the ton of independent label LP's & 7"ers that are being > released. If I buy 10 new LP's a week I still don't even get close to > buying > all the stuff being put out. > > Long live vinyl. > > Cal John. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Javier Perez > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:31 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > I guess we need to settle on a standard definition of > dead. For example, I believe there is a company out > there that still makes recording wire. Reel to Reel > tape is still commonly available and a few labels > still make vinyl. DAT is very much alive and cheap. > Old formats never die! theyt just fade until a few > neurotics resurrect them! > Javier > > PS: I can still see some advantages to wire BTW: > > --- FRED MOSS wrote: > > >To change the subject slightly vinyl is nowhere > > near dead. 90% of dj`s use > > vinyl and most of the new club material is ONLY > > available on vinyl. In fact my > > label distributes quite a lot of it for third > > parties.And that includes many > > lp`s! > > Fred > > > > > > > > ===== Original Message From Ron > > ===== > > >I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > > >dead for many years. > > > > > >This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > > >still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > > >there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > > >Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > > >D E A D ! > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > >> Not really > > >> The pro market still uses Beta but > > >> like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > >> with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon > > as > > >> will cassette. In fact just this morning I went > > to the > > >> package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > >> thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > > dubbing > > >> deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > > brought > > >> it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > > thing > > >> was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > >> -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > >> Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > > like > > >> old PCs > > >> > > >> Javier > > >> > > >> PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > > curious. > > >> > > >> --- Ron wrote: > > >> > Javier Perez wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > >> > machines > > >> > > this year. > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > > something > > >> > that has been dead for years? > > >> > > > >> > -- Ron ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:07:35 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! To set the record straight, Betamax is dead and has been for many years. Betamax also has never held a place in the pro video market. The professional counterpart, Betacam (and SP and Digital Beta) are the defacto standard in the pro market, but also bear little resemblance to the Betamax format in terms of technology or picture quality. These pro formats will not be going anywhere in the foreseeable future... in fact Sony can't currently meet the demand for new D-Beta decks. ED Javier Perez wrote: > Not really > The pro market still uses Beta but > like their vhs counterparts they are now going > with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as > will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to the > package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC dubbing > deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and brought > it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the thing > was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks like > old PCs > > Javier > > PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just curious. > > --- Ron wrote: > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > machines > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > that has been dead for years? > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:18:52 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam Wow, what a flashback... made me remember bringing a portable 8 track player to music class when I was in 5th grade so that I could play the "other" version of Pictures at an Exhibition. Needless to say, pretty much the whole class looked at me like I was insane for listening to this music... they just didn't get it! Ed Michael E DeWire wrote: > I agree in that having worked in the TV business for 20 years, professional > Betacam is still alive and well and will be for quite awhile. > > As far as 8 tracks go I never liked them, but do remember cruising down the > road with my buddies in high school, being blown away by Emerson Lake & > Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound was great but in those > days the mind was altered by substances which made anything sound great. Yes > quite a flashback indeed! > > Best, > > Michael > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 4:22 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam > > I was right its only the consumer beta thats being killed > Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the > format, adding the move would not affect its Betacam > products for the broadcasting industry. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > I don't think they are refering to professional Beta > > It looks like Sony still made consumer beta products in Japan. > > Given all the asian legacy products like HD laserdisc I'm not surprised. > > By the way the LP is not dead it's still on life support > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:06 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta machines > > > > this year. > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill something > > > that has been dead for years? > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 21:23:58 -0400 From: Ed Noyes Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam Didn't they both tend to travel together 8^0 Ed Graham Nelson wrote: > Michael > > Was that Mary Jane in the car with you or Lucy (in-the-Sky) Diamond?! > > Grinham ... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael E DeWire [SMTP:mdewire at ameritech.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:21 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! but not betacam > > I agree in that having worked in the TV business for 20 years, professional > Betacam is still alive and well and will be for quite awhile. > > As far as 8 tracks go I never liked them, but do remember cruising down the > road with my buddies in high school, being blown away by Emerson Lake & > Palmer's "Tarkus" playing on the 8 track. The sound was great but in those > days the mind was altered by substances which made anything sound great. Yes > quite a flashback indeed! > > Best, > > Michael > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Aug 29 16:22:25 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:22:25 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Message-ID: Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun owning homes. Ken "Ol' Jim, hisself" To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Sent by: owner-naktalk @naks.com 08/28/02 04:55 PM Please respond to naktalk > > To me, a format is dead when the general public no > longer knows what it is. > > Eight track is deader than a > door nail. 45s are in the same list. etc. EXCUSE ME?? I have been carrying a .45 for years, and I guarantee the only thing about it that is dead is the foul miscreant that accosts me. . . Er, what's that? Oh, he meant 45 RPM records! Oh, well, never mind ;>) Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 17:48:02 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020829154802.17997.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> speaking of guns I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens can no longer own clips with more than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this happen? What about people who already had >10 round clips. Are they criminals now? Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 17:48:33 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020829154833.79793.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> speaking of guns I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens can no longer own clips with more than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this happen? What about people who already had >10 round clips. Are they criminals now? Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From cvshanson at sprintmail.com Thu Aug 29 18:21:21 2002 From: cvshanson at sprintmail.com (Vernon T. Hanson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:21:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaking of dead/alive formats... In-Reply-To: <20020828234309.41543.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > No the decks aren't being made but there's dat tape > all over the place thanks to the computer freaks > Thus, the format lives! > > Speaking of dead formats. There was a third video > cassette format that only lasted a few years but I > don't remember what it was. Now that's truly dead for > ya! > > Javier Are you thinking of the M-1 format. I think that RCA was involved with it. It was intended to be a "Broadcast Quality" format that used VHS tape stock running at four times the normal speed. A two hr. tape would give you 30 minutes of recording time. VideoVern ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Wed Aug 28 21:28:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 14:28:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020828164832.21643.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201c24f80$e6662fe0$92232ac4@CopyTech> Javier: Remember that the BETA format used in Pro Audio is completely different from the domestic's. It's bigger, better and costlier. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > Yes but beta is as alive in the pro video world > today as vhs is in the consumer world. > So it's not dead in the same sense as vinyl. > Even when Sony stops production there will be millions > of hours of video footage archived in Beta that will > have to be transcribed thus keeping beta alive for at > least 3 more years! Not so with vinyl because it was > an end user product while Beta is a source user > product!!! > Javier > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > I am well aware of that. Nonetheless, Beta has been > > dead for many years. > > > > This is similar to LPs. People (including myself) > > still own and play them; TTs are still being made; > > there is even a tiny trickling of LP pressings. > > Regardless of all of this, the LP is dead, DEAD, > > D E A D ! > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > Not really > > > The pro market still uses Beta but > > > like their vhs counterparts they are now going > > > with recordable dvd. VHS will be following soon as > > > will cassette. In fact just this morning I went to > > the > > > package pickup area to collect my wife's new and > > > thoroughly unnecessary laptop when I saw a JVC > > dubbing > > > deck in the garbage. Free deck! I pounced, and > > brought > > > it back upstairs to fix it. To my amazement the > > thing > > > was mint. Plugged it in and it worked perfectly. > > > -Sounds like crap but it works perfectly! - > > > Motto. They are now throwing out cassette decks > > like > > > old PCs > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > PS: Anybody heard of a high end 8 track? Just > > curious. > > > > > > --- Ron wrote: > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I just read Sony is going to stop making Beta > > > > machines > > > > > this year. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/08/28/tech/main520011.shtml > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sony will kill beta???? How can you kill > > something > > > > that has been dead for years? > > > > > > > > -- Ron > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 19:12:55 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:12:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaking of dead/alive formats... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020829171255.41886.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> I don't remember much about it except that here in new york in the early 80s there was a local tv news report about some people who were complaining about an electronics store that had sold them vcrs that the couldn't get cassettes for anywhere because the format had been discontinued. That's all I remember. See Ya Javier --- "Vernon T. Hanson" wrote: > > No the decks aren't being made but there's dat > tape > > all over the place thanks to the computer freaks > > Thus, the format lives! > > > > Speaking of dead formats. There was a third video > > cassette format that only lasted a few years but I > > don't remember what it was. Now that's truly dead > for > > ya! > > > > Javier > > Are you thinking of the M-1 format. I think that > RCA was involved with it. > It was intended to be a "Broadcast Quality" format > that used VHS tape stock > running at four times the normal speed. A two hr. > tape would give you 30 > minutes of recording time. > > VideoVern > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 19:13:21 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Speaking of dead/alive formats... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020829171321.87908.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> I don't remember much about it except that here in new york in the early 80s there was a local tv news report about some people who were complaining about an electronics store that had sold them vcrs that the couldn't get cassettes for anywhere because the format had been discontinued. That's all I remember. See Ya Javier --- "Vernon T. Hanson" wrote: > > No the decks aren't being made but there's dat > tape > > all over the place thanks to the computer freaks > > Thus, the format lives! > > > > Speaking of dead formats. There was a third video > > cassette format that only lasted a few years but I > > don't remember what it was. Now that's truly dead > for > > ya! > > > > Javier > > Are you thinking of the M-1 format. I think that > RCA was involved with it. > It was intended to be a "Broadcast Quality" format > that used VHS tape stock > running at four times the normal speed. A two hr. > tape would give you 30 > minutes of recording time. > > VideoVern > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 29 19:13:04 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:13:04 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Well OT: "10 rounds" Message-ID: <01C24F88.468BAA60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I was wondering why you'd need more than 10 in a clip ... I mean, just how many bullets does it take to stop a mugger? Then I remembered .... recently saw a real live Police video of a US traffic cop being drawn on by a punk with a .38 who started shooting. The cop drew his .45 and started shooting back. There they were, banging away at each other, not more than 10' apart ... and no one got hit! No wonder some guys need more than 10 in a clip ... Perhaps this explains why 90% of Granada invasion casualties were reportedly hit by friendly fire. ;o) -----Original Message----- From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:48 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! speaking of guns I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens can no longer own clips with more than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this happen? What about people who already had >10 round clips. Are they criminals now? Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 29 19:53:28 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:53:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Well OT: "10 rounds" References: <01C24F88.468BAA60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D6E5F97.D3BA0A93@earthlink.net> Well geez Graham, I guess you never saw the movie "Rambo." We're a bunch of trigger happy Americans (thanks to our history of the Wild West and our constitutional right to bear arms) and nothing succeeds like excess in our country. More, more, more!! Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > I was wondering why you'd need more than 10 in a clip ... I mean, just how > many bullets does it take to stop a mugger? Then I remembered .... > recently saw a real live Police video of a US traffic cop being drawn on by > a punk with a .38 who started shooting. The cop drew his .45 and started > shooting back. There they were, banging away at each other, not more than > 10' apart ... and no one got hit! No wonder some guys need more than 10 > in a clip ... > > Perhaps this explains why 90% of Granada invasion casualties were > reportedly hit by friendly fire. > > ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > speaking of guns > I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens > can no longer own clips with more > than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this > happen? What about people who already had >10 round > clips. Are they criminals now? > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ecolton at ntr.net Thu Aug 29 20:01:33 2002 From: ecolton at ntr.net (Ed) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:01:33 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format Message-ID: <001501c24f86$1c208360$35e7fea9@gateway3k> "...I don't remember much about it except that here in new york in the early 80s there was a local tv news report about some people who were complaining about an electronics store that had sold them vcrs that the couldn't get cassettes for anywhere because the format had been discontinued. That's all I remember. See Ya Javier" Javier - you might be thinking of Cartrivision - A format that proceeded both Beta and VHS. Here's a link to a site with information about it. Cheers Ed http://www.labguysworld.com/CartriV.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wtremain at bellsouth.net Thu Aug 29 20:24:07 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:24:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: "Did anyone mention vacuum tubes?" References: <01C24EED.3A5BB6E0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <007e01c24f89$438e2c60$9bed3fd0@oemcomputer> Vacum tubes won't die until you kill all the guitar players in the world :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Thu Aug 29 20:35:36 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:35:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > owning homes. High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in pools, are killed each year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. The kids were trained early and often about gun safety. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Thu Aug 29 20:37:19 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:37:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT Ammo clips In-Reply-To: <20020829154833.79793.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: Message-ID: <3D6E319F.1014.4E588B7@localhost> > speaking of guns > I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens > can no longer own clips with more > than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this > happen? What about people who already had >10 round > clips. Are they criminals now? > Javier > Old news. Actually, the gummint, in their infinite wisdom, banned the manufacture of over 10 round magazines for sale to civilians several years ago. Those magazines manufactured before that date can still be sold. It was mainly because of the"assault rifle" panic. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 29 20:39:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:39:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Well OT: "10 rounds" Message-ID: <01C24F93.F32D1500.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Jim I'm glad you said that, not me! ;o) Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:53 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Well OT: "10 rounds" Well geez Graham, I guess you never saw the movie "Rambo." We're a bunch of trigger happy Americans (thanks to our history of the Wild West and our constitutional right to bear arms) and nothing succeeds like excess in our country. More, more, more!! Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > I was wondering why you'd need more than 10 in a clip ... I mean, just how > many bullets does it take to stop a mugger? Then I remembered .... > recently saw a real live Police video of a US traffic cop being drawn on by > a punk with a .38 who started shooting. The cop drew his .45 and started > shooting back. There they were, banging away at each other, not more than > 10' apart ... and no one got hit! No wonder some guys need more than 10 > in a clip ... > > Perhaps this explains why 90% of Granada invasion casualties were > reportedly hit by friendly fire. > > ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Javier Perez [SMTP:summarex at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 4:48 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > speaking of guns > I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens > can no longer own clips with more > than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this > happen? What about people who already had >10 round > clips. Are they criminals now? > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kbentley at bnflinc.com Thu Aug 29 21:21:39 2002 From: kbentley at bnflinc.com (Ken Bentley) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 13:21:39 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Sony will kill beta!!! Message-ID: 0.001% of allhome accidents? How many kids is that? I guess we'll just have to disagree here. I sit next to a member of the NRA at work and we disagree strongly but amicably - the essence of a pluralistic society I suppose. Anyway I don't feel this forum is the appropriate place for these discussions. Ken "Ol' Jim, hisself" To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! Sent by: owner-naktalk @naks.com 08/29/02 12:35 PM Please respond to naktalk > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > owning homes. High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in pools, are killed each year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. The kids were trained early and often about gun safety. Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 29 23:01:25 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:01:25 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Sony will kill beta!!! References: Message-ID: <018e01c24f9f$3d0f4340$91021fac@brianm> > Anyway I don't feel this forum is the appropriate place for these discussions. Since when did this matter? Pro NRA, Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Bentley" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Off Topic - Sony will kill beta!!! > > 0.001% of allhome accidents? How many kids is that? > > I guess we'll just have to disagree here. > I sit next to a member of the NRA at work and we disagree strongly but > amicably - the essence of a pluralistic society I suppose. > Anyway I don't feel this forum is the appropriate place for these > discussions. > > Ken > > > > "Ol' Jim, > hisself" To: naktalk at naks.com > im.com> Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > Sent by: > owner-naktalk > @naks.com > > > 08/29/02 > 12:35 PM > Please > respond to > naktalk > > > > > > > > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > > owning homes. > > High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in > home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. > Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in pools, are killed each > year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. > > In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping > loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. The kids > were trained early and often about gun safety. > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Aug 29 23:08:07 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:08:07 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> Message-ID: <3D6E8D37.4A686C7D@earthlink.net> 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? Not an issue? I think the parents of those children might feel otherwise. Jim Volpatti "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > > owning homes. > > High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in > home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. > Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in pools, are killed each > year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. > > In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping > loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. The kids > were trained early and often about gun safety. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 23:15:40 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT Ammo clips In-Reply-To: <3D6E319F.1014.4E588B7@localhost> Message-ID: <20020829211540.40006.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> I had thought it only applied to the rifle magazines! But if you think of it how else can we protect ourselves from muggers with concealed carbines. Javier --- "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > speaking of guns > > I just heard on the news that ordinary citizens > > can no longer own clips with more > > than a 10 round capacity. When the hell did this > > happen? What about people who already had >10 > round > > clips. Are they criminals now? > > Javier > > > > Old news. Actually, the gummint, in their infinite > wisdom, banned the > manufacture of over 10 round magazines for sale to > civilians several > years ago. Those magazines manufactured before that > date can still be > sold. It was mainly because of the"assault rifle" > panic. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 23:24:58 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020829212458.41786.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Agreeing to disagree is fine as long as you are not required comport yourself according to the other guy's opinion. Imagine they banned cassettes because recordable CD is technically better! Would you still agree to disagree? Javier --- Ken Bentley wrote: > > 0.001% of allhome accidents? How many kids is > that? > > I guess we'll just have to disagree here. > I sit next to a member of the NRA at work and we > disagree strongly but > amicably - the essence of a pluralistic society I > suppose. > Anyway I don't feel this forum is the appropriate > place for these > discussions. > > Ken > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, > > > hisself" To: > naktalk at naks.com > > > > im.com> Subject: > Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > Sent by: > > > owner-naktalk > > > @naks.com > > > > > > > > > 08/29/02 > > > 12:35 PM > > > Please > > > respond to > > > naktalk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of > children who live in gun > > owning homes. > > High percentage?? Since the number of children > killed accidenlty in > home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue > is a non-starter. > Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in > pools, are killed each > year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. > > In my case, I've raised two children, and one > grandchild while keeping > loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a > problem. The kids > were trained early and often about gun safety. > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 23:34:04 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <018e01c24f9f$3d0f4340$91021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <20020829213404.43856.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> There is nothing wrong with occasional OT as long as it's taut provoking. Naks are a small universe and there's only so much that can be said. As for the gun issue, I consider myself a moderate on this issue and would support reasonable gun laws that restrict or even ban the ownership of guns with calibers larger than, say 120 millimeter. Javier --- Brian Miller wrote: > > Anyway I don't feel this forum is the appropriate > place for these > discussions. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Aug 29 23:40:09 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format In-Reply-To: <001501c24f86$1c208360$35e7fea9@gateway3k> Message-ID: <20020829214009.81667.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> I think that's it. Wow, you've discovered a truly dead format! Nice fonts BTW: Javier --- Ed wrote: > "...I don't remember much about it except that here > in new york in the early > 80s there was a local tv > news report about some people who were complaining > about an electronics > store that had sold them vcrs > that the couldn't get cassettes for anywhere because > the format had been > discontinued. That's all I > remember. > See Ya > Javier" > Javier - you might be thinking of Cartrivision - A > format that proceeded > both Beta and VHS. Here's a link to a site with > information about it. > Cheers > Ed > > http://www.labguysworld.com/CartriV.htm > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Thu Aug 29 23:44:42 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:44:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> <3D6E8D37.4A686C7D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <01a801c24fa5$49512cd0$91021fac@brianm> Relax Jim, You are taking his words out of context. It is clear that his point was that there are MANY other things causing death than guns yet they aren't an issue as guns are. Guns have been around for many, many years, in fact, they were in plain view in years past and there were not the problems there are now. (Heck, i would doubt if kids drove to school with a shot gun in the back window years ago.) It's the people! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? Not an issue? I think the parents of > those children might feel otherwise. > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > > > owning homes. > > > > High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in > > home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. > > Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in pools, are killed each > > year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. > > > > In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping > > loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. The kids > > were trained early and often about gun safety. > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 30 00:11:23 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:11:23 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: "Did anyone mention vacuum tubes?" References: <01C24EED.3A5BB6E0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <007e01c24f89$438e2c60$9bed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001101c24fa9$045a76a0$90299bca@smarzuki> Maybe that's why you need more than 10 rounds to carry everyday ! =) ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: "Did anyone mention vacuum tubes?" Vacum tubes won't die until you kill all the guitar players in the world :-) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 30 00:19:55 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:19:55 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> <3D6E8D37.4A686C7D@earthlink.net> <01a801c24fa5$49512cd0$91021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3D6E9E0B.D8152AA3@earthlink.net> Please don't get me started. I'll just have to agree to disagree with those who feel otherwise about gun control in this country. Jim Volpatti Brian Miller wrote: > Relax Jim, > > You are taking his words out of context. It is clear that his point was > that there are MANY other things causing death than guns yet they aren't an > issue as guns are. > > Guns have been around for many, many years, in fact, they were in plain view > in years past and there were not the problems there are now. (Heck, i would > doubt if kids drove to school with a shot gun in the back window years ago.) > > It's the people! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:08 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? Not an issue? I think the > parents of > > those children might feel otherwise. > > > > > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > > > > owning homes. > > > > > > High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in > > > home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. > > > Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in pools, are killed each > > > year by or in automobiles, or by child abuse. > > > > > > In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping > > > loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. The kids > > > were trained early and often about gun safety. > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 30 00:28:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:28:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: NRA Message-ID: <01C24FB3.CC7BC940.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> " Guns have been around for many, many years, in fact, they were in plain view in years past and there were not the problems there are now. " Brian Miller [Graham Nelson] I think that's what's so difficult to understand for those of us living in countries where all guns are banned in public places and where no one, apart from military and Police, are allowed to own hand guns. Why, we aren't allowed to have pepper spray or Tazers, let alone guns and - technically - we ain't even allowed to carry knives in public places. Hearing all these debates about gun lobby's etc ... it's incomprehensible to those of us brought up in countries where this isn't an issue ... but we still have muggers .... how do we Europeans all survive without Smith & Wesson! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Aug 30 00:48:55 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:48:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Off Topic - Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <20020829213404.43856.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <018e01c24f9f$3d0f4340$91021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3D6E6C97.16744.5CBE4C7@localhost> > There is nothing wrong with occasional OT as long as > it's taut provoking. Naks are a small universe and > there's only so much that can be said. As for the gun > issue, I consider myself a moderate on this issue and > would support reasonable gun laws that restrict or > even ban the ownership of guns with calibers larger > than, say 120 millimeter. > Javier > > Hey, not fair. I'd have to sell my 121mm sixshooter :>) Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Fri Aug 30 00:56:41 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:56:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6E8D37.4A686C7D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? Not an issue? I think > the parents of those children might feel otherwise. > Actually, I think the number was around 11 last year. Surly very significant to the parents, but hardly reason to try to prevent everyone else from self-defense. If you look at my web page, you will see that my son was struck by a car and killed in 1998. Granted, he was 23 at the time, but, you won't see me out protesting the automobile. I'm not real happy with illegal immigrants who don't know how to drive, but I still blame the guy who hit the boys, not the automobile they used. As a cop, my firearms were my tools. I was, and still am, responsible for anything that those guns did while under my control. Not the manufacturer, not my neighbor, not the gun store, not the ammo maker, ME AND ONLY ME! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Aug 30 00:53:57 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:53:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format References: <001501c24f86$1c208360$35e7fea9@gateway3k> Message-ID: <003e01c24faf$246a90f0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Speaking of dead formats, let's not forget DCC! Another case of stillborn! Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 01:05:14 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: NRA In-Reply-To: <01C24FB3.CC7BC940.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020829230514.1869.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> You can have Smith & Wesson America doesn't need em. Colt and Browning is enough. Javier --- Graham Nelson wrote: > > > " Guns have been around for many, many years, in > fact, they were in plain > view > in years past and there were not the problems there > are now. " > Brian Miller > [Graham Nelson] I think that's what's so difficult > to understand for those > of us living in countries where all guns are banned > in public places and > where no one, apart from military and Police, are > allowed to own hand guns. > Why, we aren't allowed to have pepper spray or > Tazers, let alone guns and > - technically - we ain't even allowed to carry > knives in public places. > Hearing all these debates about gun lobby's etc ... > it's incomprehensible > to those of us brought up in countries where this > isn't an issue ... but we > still have muggers .... how do we Europeans all > survive without Smith & > Wesson! > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release > Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 30 01:07:35 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:07:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> <3D6E8D37.4A686C7D@earthlink.net> <01a801c24fa5$49512cd0$91021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <008201c24fb0$dcfcf940$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> > Brian Miller wrote > Guns have been around for many, many years, in fact, they were in plain view > in years past and there were not the problems there are now. Hey this is great news!! I didn't realize that murder by guns was a new thing out of curiosity what did Al Capone and the others use during the 30's? Oh and what did they use at kent state? Flowers? Warren > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 01:26:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format In-Reply-To: <003e01c24faf$246a90f0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> I have a pair of almost new Optimus dcc recorders. You can mod them to record normal cassettes but the pressure pad is different and dropouts are frequent. I gave up on them a few years back but might try again if I can't locate a decent cd recorder that will record on normal computer cds. BTW: does anyone have a list of the cdR decks that can do it out of the box or can be modded easily to do it? I've been seeing a quite a few cheap cd recorders on ebay but can't tell from the description if they can record on normal (cheap) cd and I'm not gonna pay musician tax, that's for sure. Javier --- Roland Alford wrote: > Speaking of dead formats, let's not forget DCC! > Another case of stillborn! > > Roland > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 30 01:37:02 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:37:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> <3D6E8D37.4A686C7D@earthlink.net> <01a801c24fa5$49512cd0$91021fac@brianm> <008201c24fb0$dcfcf940$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <01e201c24fb4$fa502860$91021fac@brianm> Warren, Warren, another person totally missing the point and...oh I better stop! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > > Brian Miller wrote > > > Guns have been around for many, many years, in fact, they were in plain view > > in years past and there were not the problems there are now. > > Hey this is great news!! I didn't realize that murder by guns was a new thing > out of curiosity what did Al Capone and the others use during the 30's? > Oh and what did they use at kent state? Flowers? > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 30 01:38:23 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:38:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <3D6E3138.25221.4E3F9D2@localhost> Message-ID: <3D6EB06F.AF01C42C@rcn.com> "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > Yes, the miscreant and a high percentage of children who live in gun > > owning homes. > > High percentage?? Since the number of children killed accidenlty in > home accidents is on the order of .001%, that issue is a non-starter. 0.001% of what? If of US population, then we are talking 3000 kids. If of homes with guns, than probably only a hundred kids or so. Small number, when the kid is the neighbor's child. A huge number, if it's yours. > Significantly more cjhildren drown each year in > pools, are killed each year by or in automobiles, > or by child abuse. I fail to see how this justifies putting more kids at risk in their home. Perhaps you can explain the logic? > In my case, I've raised two children, and one grandchild while keeping > loaded guns in my house and have NEVER had a problem. But this represents only 0.00000000333% of the population. -- Ron > The kids > were trained early and often about gun safety. > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 01:38:23 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 16:38:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> Message-ID: <20020829233823.53081.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Nice site jim! African greys and a bus! Way to go! Next time don't bob the ears on the schnaeuser. The look better with floppy ears. BTW: Check out my site: http://63.164.201.182 Javier --- "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? > Not an issue? I think > > the parents of those children might feel > otherwise. > > > Actually, I think the number was around 11 last > year. Surly very > significant to the parents, but hardly reason to try > to prevent everyone > else from self-defense. > > If you look at my web page, you will see that my son > was struck by a car > and killed in 1998. Granted, he was 23 at the time, > but, you won't see > me out protesting the automobile. I'm not real > happy with illegal > immigrants who don't know how to drive, but I still > blame the guy who hit > the boys, not the automobile they used. > > As a cop, my firearms were my tools. I was, and > still am, responsible > for anything that those guns did while under my > control. Not the > manufacturer, not my neighbor, not the gun store, > not the ammo maker, > ME AND ONLY ME! > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Fri Aug 30 01:38:58 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:38:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DEAD [Brand] ...? In-Reply-To: <008201c24fb0$dcfcf940$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Guys - we haven't had such lively a discussion as this one about GUNS about anything related to Nakamichi tape decks in months. Is NAKAMICHI DEAD? Should I expect to continue getting 5 messages / hour about guns? Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Thu, August 29, 2002 6:08 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! > Brian Miller wrote > Guns have been around for many, many years, in fact, they were in plain view > in years past and there were not the problems there are now. Hey this is great news!! I didn't realize that murder by guns was a new thing out of curiosity what did Al Capone and the others use during the 30's? Oh and what did they use at kent state? Flowers? Warren > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In-Reply-To: <008201c24fb0$dcfcf940$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20020829234120.53382.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> FYI The Kent state guys used Garands Capone used the BAR I like the Astra 400 Javier --- Warren wrote: > > Brian Miller wrote > > > Guns have been around for many, many years, in > fact, they were in plain view > > in years past and there were not the problems > there are now. > > Hey this is great news!! I didn't realize that > murder by guns was a new thing > out of curiosity what did Al Capone and the others > use during the 30's? > Oh and what did they use at kent state? Flowers? > > Warren > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 30 02:09:50 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:09:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D6EB7CE.957C2B09@rcn.com> I understand that, *by law*, all CD recorders must be usable with 'audio' CDs only. Since excellent CD-RW drives cost less than most stand alone CD recorders and are much more versatile, to boot, I am not sure why people buy stand alone recorders. My own CD burning is concentrated on compilations and MP3 stuff, for which the computer is suitable, since it can store a portion of the recording until I am ready to actually cut the disc. I pay less than a buck for CD-RW and less than half a buck for CD-R Media. I am listening right now, even as I type, to a CD that contains the complete set of almost 10 Beethoven symphonies, in 256Kbit/Sec MP3. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > I have a pair of almost new Optimus dcc recorders. > You can mod them to record normal cassettes but the > pressure pad is different and dropouts are frequent. > I gave up on them a few years back but might try > again if I can't locate a decent cd recorder that will > record on normal computer cds. BTW: does anyone have a > list of the cdR decks that can do it out of the box or > can be modded easily to do it? I've been seeing a > quite a few cheap cd recorders on ebay but can't tell > from the description if they can record on normal > (cheap) cd and I'm not gonna pay musician tax, that's > for sure. > Javier > > --- Roland Alford wrote: > > Speaking of dead formats, let's not forget DCC! > > Another case of stillborn! > > > > Roland > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From a.patrizio at verizon.net Fri Aug 30 02:09:32 2002 From: a.patrizio at verizon.net (Anthony Patrizio) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:09:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCRs Message-ID: hi guys- Does anyone have a clue on what are the best VCRs *currently* on the market? I ask because I plan on converting some of my VHS tapes to DVD-R and I need a good playback system. I do fully realize that the heyday of the vcr is long-gone, but I honestly don't have the energy to scour e-bay and then ship the bugger to new mexico so stephen could make sure its up to spec. Anything decent currently being manufactured? I'd be willing to spend up to 3 hundred or so. I'm talking NTSC VHS btw. I'm not sure if playing these tapes on S-VHS machine is preferable (or even possible, for that matter!). I'll also need to to convert PAL vids to DVD soon, too. If theres a better way than a Samsung multi-standard vcr, I'd be keen to hear it. Real sorry about the off topic post, but you folks generally seem informed. Feel free to e-mail me privately. Thanks and best wishes, Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Aug 30 02:21:50 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:21:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101c24fbb$3c636220$3db5b742@pii366custom> Javier, try a TASCAM pro 2000 CD Recorder or HHB 800 or 850. Both can use computer CDs. Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Fri Aug 30 02:34:59 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:34:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> Message-ID: <3D6EBDB2.1B3217FA@earthlink.net> Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were killed wrongfully last year from the use of fire arms. The only proactive way of holding those responsible for the wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use of fire arms altogether. Our national crime statistics would be orders of magnitudes lower. There must be a statistic for fire arm use for other than hunting, self defense and law enforcement. That percentage of fire arm use would represent a huge reduction in crime in our country. Compare our crime statistics against law fearing, fire arm restricted country. My point should be obvious. Why doesn't the NRA understand this? Because admitting to such a prediction would destroy their almighty lobby and ban the use of the very thing they value above almost all else. Respectfully, Jim Volpatti "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? Not an issue? I think > > the parents of those children might feel otherwise. > > > Actually, I think the number was around 11 last year. Surly very > significant to the parents, but hardly reason to try to prevent everyone > else from self-defense. > > If you look at my web page, you will see that my son was struck by a car > and killed in 1998. Granted, he was 23 at the time, but, you won't see > me out protesting the automobile. I'm not real happy with illegal > immigrants who don't know how to drive, but I still blame the guy who hit > the boys, not the automobile they used. > > As a cop, my firearms were my tools. I was, and still am, responsible > for anything that those guns did while under my control. Not the > manufacturer, not my neighbor, not the gun store, not the ammo maker, > ME AND ONLY ME! > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Fri Aug 30 02:41:31 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:11:31 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCRs Message-ID: <20020830004131.7D10411491B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 02:45:18 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:45:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! In-Reply-To: <3D6EB06F.AF01C42C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020830004518.69761.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Actually Ron he represents a far greater percentage of the population than you think. Over 50% of american homes have a gun. Most of them have, have had or will have children at one time or other. The problem of accidental shootings is minimal but it gets disproportionately large air time for purely political reasons. The American press is left wing all the way and supports just about every left wing cause there is. I live in New York City the gun control capital of the US. There are 3 armed groups here, police, criminals and noble law breakers, this reduces the general population to the role of sheep, It creates what's been compared to a feudal society where the armed rule and the peseants take whatever comes their way. Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 30 03:01:59 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:01:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCRs References: Message-ID: <3D6EC407.A1FC2EA8@rcn.com> Since all you want to do is PB VHS tapes, I would not recommend that you get a S-VHS machine. While S-VHS VCRs do tend to produce better pictures, of standard VHS as well (yes, they all do PB standard VHS tapes), they are also more expensive. You will find that in the ~$300 range, most VCRs are going to be fairly similar, as far as picture quality is concerned. You can get far better quality in machines that incorporate TBC, but these cost substantially more. Do try to get effective jog/shuttle control -- these are useful for setting up the tape at the exact frame you want to start copying. I recommend that you invest an hour in going over the most recent Consumer Reports VCR test. Pay special attention to the reliability figures. Avoid Sony and Toshiba -- their Customer Support and Service are piss poor. Good luck, -- Ron Anthony Patrizio wrote: > > hi guys- > > Does anyone have a clue on what are the best VCRs *currently* > on the market? I ask because I plan on converting some of my VHS > tapes to DVD-R and I need a good playback system. I do fully realize > that the heyday of the vcr is long-gone, but I honestly don't have the > energy to scour e-bay and then ship the bugger to new mexico so > stephen could make sure its up to spec. Anything decent currently > being manufactured? I'd be willing to spend up to 3 hundred or so. > I'm talking NTSC VHS btw. I'm not sure if playing these tapes on > S-VHS machine is preferable (or even possible, for that matter!). > > I'll also need to to convert PAL vids to DVD soon, too. If theres > a better way than a Samsung multi-standard vcr, I'd be keen > to hear it. > > Real sorry about the off topic post, but you folks generally seem > informed. Feel free to e-mail me privately. > > Thanks and best wishes, > > Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 30 03:18:07 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:18:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Sony will kill beta!!! References: <20020830004518.69761.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <023a01c24fc3$193a66b0$91021fac@brianm> Wow Javier, I don't think I could of said it better, or even as good! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Actually Ron he represents a far greater percentage of > the population than you think. Over 50% of american > homes have a gun. Most of them have, have had or will > have children at one time or other. The problem of > accidental shootings is minimal but it gets > disproportionately large air time for purely political > reasons. The American press is left wing all the way > and supports just about every left wing cause there > is. I live in New York City the gun control capital of > the US. There are 3 armed groups here, police, > criminals and noble law breakers, this reduces the > general population to the role of sheep, It creates > what's been compared to a feudal society where the > armed rule and the peseants take whatever comes their > way. > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 30 03:22:39 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:22:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> <3D6EBDB2.1B3217FA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <024401c24fc3$bd4814f0$91021fac@brianm> As you said Jim, agree to disagree, I do not agree with what you say below! (And I am not an NRA member.) (Doctor's mistakes kill more patient's a year than accidental shootings, and possibly gun death period, I am not sure; shall we outlaw them!) More flames! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] Gun control > Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were killed wrongfully last year from > the use of fire arms. The only proactive way of holding those responsible for the > wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use of fire arms altogether. Our > national crime statistics would be orders of magnitudes lower. There must be a > statistic for fire arm use for other than hunting, self defense and law enforcement. > That percentage of fire arm use would represent a huge reduction in crime in our > country. Compare our crime statistics against law fearing, fire arm restricted country. > My point should be obvious. Why doesn't the NRA understand this? Because admitting to > such a prediction would destroy their almighty lobby and ban the use of the very thing > they value above almost all else. > > Respectfully, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? Not an issue? I think > > > the parents of those children might feel otherwise. > > > > > Actually, I think the number was around 11 last year. Surly very > > significant to the parents, but hardly reason to try to prevent everyone > > else from self-defense. > > > > If you look at my web page, you will see that my son was struck by a car > > and killed in 1998. Granted, he was 23 at the time, but, you won't see > > me out protesting the automobile. I'm not real happy with illegal > > immigrants who don't know how to drive, but I still blame the guy who hit > > the boys, not the automobile they used. > > > > As a cop, my firearms were my tools. I was, and still am, responsible > > for anything that those guns did while under my control. Not the > > manufacturer, not my neighbor, not the gun store, not the ammo maker, > > ME AND ONLY ME! > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > --- > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Fri Aug 30 03:24:24 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:24:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: VCRs In-Reply-To: <20020830004131.7D10411491B@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: Another format converting VCR is AIWA MX-1 (I am not sure exactly about the model.) -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of kannan_s at vsnl.com Sent: Thu, August 29, 2002 7:42 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: VCRs Considering the last set of about I think 30 mails about Guns and shooting people; you are well within our Nakamichi topic Kannan a.patrizio at verizon.net wrote hi guys- Does anyone have a clue on what are the best VCRs *currently* on the market? I ask because I plan on converting some of my VHS tapes to DVD-R and I need a good playback system. I do fully realize that the heyday of the vcr is long-gone, I'm not sure if playing these tapes on S-VHS machine is preferable (or even possible, for that matter!). I'll also need to to convert PAL vids to DVD soon, too. If theres a better way than a Samsung multi-standard vcr, I'd be keen to hear it. Real sorry about the off topic post, but you folks generally seem informed. Feel free to e-mail me privately. Thanks and best wishes, Anthony ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 30 03:25:02 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:25:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> <3D6EBDB2.1B3217FA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <024e01c24fc4$1162b0e0$91021fac@brianm> I knew I could find this: Number of physicians in the U.S.: 700,000 Accidental deaths caused per year: 98,000 Annual accidental deaths per physician: 0.14 Number of firearm owners in the U.S.: 80,000,000 Number of accidental firearm deaths / year: 1,500 (All age groups included) Annual accidental deaths / firearm owners: 0.00001875 Therefore, doctors are approximately 7,500 times more dangerous than firearm owners. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Volpatti" To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: [naktalk] Gun control > Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were killed wrongfully last year from > the use of fire arms. The only proactive way of holding those responsible for the > wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use of fire arms altogether. Our > national crime statistics would be orders of magnitudes lower. There must be a > statistic for fire arm use for other than hunting, self defense and law enforcement. > That percentage of fire arm use would represent a huge reduction in crime in our > country. Compare our crime statistics against law fearing, fire arm restricted country. > My point should be obvious. Why doesn't the NRA understand this? Because admitting to > such a prediction would destroy their almighty lobby and ban the use of the very thing > they value above almost all else. > > Respectfully, > > Jim Volpatti > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 03:42:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gun control In-Reply-To: <3D6EBDB2.1B3217FA@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20020830014203.77367.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> What makes you think crime wouuld go down in your gun free utopia. Most crimes in this country are drug related. Are you saying the drug addicts would stop consuming and stealing to get their fix if guns were banned? Nonsense! Crime would remain about the same. People, both criminals and non-criminals would fashion home made knives with which to inflict grevious damage upon their compatriots. A gun free society is a feudal society where people exist at the mercy of the armed nobility until they revolt or until they suffer the indignity of being "liberated". Now Jim How would you like to be liberated? Perhaps by those gun control freaks extraordinaire - The Taliban. They created a gun free society. Only they were armed and crime went down to almost zero! (not counting their crimes of course) All in fun of course See Ya Javier --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were > killed wrongfully last year from > the use of fire arms. The only proactive way of > holding those responsible for the > wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use > of fire arms altogether. Our > national crime statistics would be orders of > magnitudes lower. There must be a > statistic for fire arm use for other than hunting, > self defense and law enforcement. > That percentage of fire arm use would represent a > huge reduction in crime in our > country. Compare our crime statistics against law > fearing, fire arm restricted country. > My point should be obvious. Why doesn't the NRA > understand this? Because admitting to > such a prediction would destroy their almighty lobby > and ban the use of the very thing > they value above almost all else. > > Respectfully, > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? > Not an issue? I think > > > the parents of those children might feel > otherwise. > > > > > Actually, I think the number was around 11 last > year. Surly very > > significant to the parents, but hardly reason to > try to prevent everyone > > else from self-defense. > > > > If you look at my web page, you will see that my > son was struck by a car > > and killed in 1998. Granted, he was 23 at the > time, but, you won't see > > me out protesting the automobile. I'm not real > happy with illegal > > immigrants who don't know how to drive, but I > still blame the guy who hit > > the boys, not the automobile they used. > > > > As a cop, my firearms were my tools. I was, and > still am, responsible > > for anything that those guns did while under my > control. Not the > > manufacturer, not my neighbor, not the gun store, > not the ammo maker, > > ME AND ONLY ME! > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > Coast of Florida > > hisself at ol-jim.com > http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 30 03:43:54 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:43:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> <3D6EBDB2.1B3217FA@earthlink.net> <024401c24fc3$bd4814f0$91021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <019801c24fc6$b37c9380$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> I have an idea lets look at this article and then discuss Erik Larson's "The Story of a Gun" (January 1993) traced how a semi-automatic handgun ended up in the hands of a sixteen-year-old boy named Nicholas, who brought it to school and opened fire at recess, killing a teacher. Larson considered everything from the shady company that had circumvented laws against making such guns, to the dealer that sold the gun to Nicholas and his cousin without asking questions, to the movies that glamorize violent shooting sprees, to the inertia of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. All of these, Larson suggested, were to some extent implicated in Nicholas's crime: "Nicholas in effect carried with him the good wishes of a gun culture whose institutions and mores have helped make commonplace in America the things he did that morning." After 60,000 deaths from firearms use over the past two years, America is in a gun crisis. Yet gun laws remain weak, gunmakers continue to promote killing power, and gun dealers accept no responsibility for the criminal use of what they sell http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/crime/larsgun.htm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From HerbChong at compuserve.com Fri Aug 30 04:14:57 2002 From: HerbChong at compuserve.com (Herb Chong) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:14:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control Message-ID: <200208292215_MC3-1-DA5-C609@compuserve.com> Message text written by INTERNET:naktalk at naks.com >I knew I could find this: Number of physicians in the U.S.: 700,000 Accidental deaths caused per year: 98,000 Annual accidental deaths per physician: 0.14 Number of firearm owners in the U.S.: 80,000,000 Number of accidental firearm deaths / year: 1,500 (All age groups included) Annual accidental deaths / firearm owners: 0.00001875 Therefore, doctors are approximately 7,500 times more dangerous than firearm owners. < you are ignoring intentional firearm deaths. Herb.... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Fri Aug 30 04:25:21 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:25:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk Message-ID: <3D6ED791.559F852@warwick.net> Although I do think this whole subject is completely off topic, and I do hope that it will slowly fade away, I really can't resist putting in my 2 cents. If you are going to allow some members of society to have guns- the military and law enforcement- then you had better let the public retain the right to bear arms as well. I have to agree with my ol' buddy Alex Jones of infowars.com on this one: "Hitler, Stalin, Mao- Dictators agree!: Gun control really works!" ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Fri Aug 30 04:47:16 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:47:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <3D6E6E69.25665.5D3015E@localhost> <3D6EBDB2.1B3217FA@earthlink.net> <024e01c24fc4$1162b0e0$91021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3D6EDCB4.F20D8195@warwick.net> Yikes! If these statistics are accurate, then I definitely think that doctors should not be allowed to own guns! Brian Miller wrote: > > I knew I could find this: > > Number of physicians in the U.S.: 700,000 > Accidental deaths caused per year: 98,000 > Annual accidental deaths per physician: 0.14 > > Number of firearm owners in the U.S.: 80,000,000 > Number of accidental firearm deaths / year: 1,500 > (All age groups included) > Annual accidental deaths / firearm owners: 0.00001875 > > Therefore, doctors are approximately 7,500 times more dangerous than > firearm owners. > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Volpatti" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 8:34 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Gun control > > > Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were killed wrongfully > last year from > > the use of fire arms. The only proactive way of holding those responsible > for the > > wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use of fire arms > altogether. Our > > national crime statistics would be orders of magnitudes lower. There must > be a > > statistic for fire arm use for other than hunting, self defense and law > enforcement. > > That percentage of fire arm use would represent a huge reduction in crime > in our > > country. Compare our crime statistics against law fearing, fire arm > restricted country. > > My point should be obvious. Why doesn't the NRA understand this? Because > admitting to > > such a prediction would destroy their almighty lobby and ban the use of > the very thing > > they value above almost all else. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Aug 30 05:58:06 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:58:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control Message-ID: <002201c24fd9$848b1480$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> I'll probably regret jumping in on this, but here goes... On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:34:59 -0700, Jim Volpatti wrote: >Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were killed >wrongfully last year from the use of fire arms. I think Jim was referring simply to children killed by accident in the home. I don't find it hard to believe that 11 is approximately the correct number. >The only proactive way of holding those responsible for the >wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use of fire arms >altogether. Our national crime statistics would be orders of >magnitudes lower. There must be a statistic for fire arm use >for other than hunting, self defense and law enforcement. >That percentage of fire arm use would represent a huge >reduction in crime in our country. Wrongful use isn't going to go away if you ban the public use of fire arms altogether. Sure, the honest people like you and me will turn in our fire arms (not that I own a gun and I get the impression that you probably don't, but if I did I would turn it in if the laws were to change). However, how many of the dishonest people out there with unregistered fire arms are going to turn them in? How many murderers are going to stop trying to purchase illegal weapons? If they can't get a gun, they'll use something else. My belief is that laws like the banning of fire arms only take the weapons away from the honest people who aren't generally causing any problem in the first place. As to accidental deaths in the home, people need to take some responsibility for their own actions these days. Parents should... Teach their kids not to touch the weapon. Teach their kids not to touch a burner on a stove. Teach their kids what the word NO means. Too many parents these days plop their kids in front of the TV and rely on it to bring them up. When I was little, I learned the word NO pretty quickly - the few times I didn't respond in the appropriate manner, I found out in short order exactly what the word meant. How many parents do you see out in public begging their kids to behave. IMO, this is the real problem, not the guns themselves. As an example, my cousin and her husband brought their 1 1/2 year old over to our house a few months back. He went to touch the burner on the stove. The husband asked if the gas was hooked up. My verbal response - YES! The response I was thinking was that it doesn't matter if it's on or not - you teach the kid not to touch it. Their house is "baby proofed." Great except for the fact that it's actually baby resistant and they rely on proof, and everywhere you go isn't going to be baby proofed. Well at least I feel better now :). I actually agree with the others who have suggested that this sort of discussion probably doesn't belong here, as it's bound to turn ugly sooner or later. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Nobody is asking for a gun free utopia, strict gun controls work in countries like canada the murder rate is much smaller than in the USA Toronto is a city of 4 million people with a murder rate in the low 60's per year, name a US city of the same size with the same rate. > A gun free society is a feudal society where people > exist at the mercy of the armed nobility until they > revolt or until they suffer the indignity of > being "liberated". This is typical NRA bullshit nobody in the USA is using their guns to protect themselves from the government. nor is their any advantage having arms just ask the south during the civil war. > > Now Jim How would you like to be liberated? > Perhaps by those gun control freaks extraordinaire - > The Taliban. They created a gun free society. Only > they were armed and crime went down to almost zero! > (not counting their crimes of course) The taliban did not and have never created a gun free society Warren > All in fun of course > See Ya > Javier > > > --- Jim Volpatti wrote: > > Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were > > killed wrongfully last year from > > the use of fire arms. The only proactive way of > > holding those responsible for the > > wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use > > of fire arms altogether. Our > > national crime statistics would be orders of > > magnitudes lower. There must be a > > statistic for fire arm use for other than hunting, > > self defense and law enforcement. > > That percentage of fire arm use would represent a > > huge reduction in crime in our > > country. Compare our crime statistics against law > > fearing, fire arm restricted country. > > My point should be obvious. Why doesn't the NRA > > understand this? Because admitting to > > such a prediction would destroy their almighty lobby > > and ban the use of the very thing > > they value above almost all else. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Jim Volpatti > > > > > > > > > > "Ol' Jim, hisself" wrote: > > > > > > 0.001% equals how many children, Jim? 100? 500? > > Not an issue? I think > > > > the parents of those children might feel > > otherwise. > > > > > > > Actually, I think the number was around 11 last > > year. Surly very > > > significant to the parents, but hardly reason to > > try to prevent everyone > > > else from self-defense. > > > > > > If you look at my web page, you will see that my > > son was struck by a car > > > and killed in 1998. Granted, he was 23 at the > > time, but, you won't see > > > me out protesting the automobile. I'm not real > > happy with illegal > > > immigrants who don't know how to drive, but I > > still blame the guy who hit > > > the boys, not the automobile they used. > > > > > > As a cop, my firearms were my tools. I was, and > > still am, responsible > > > for anything that those guns did while under my > > control. Not the > > > manufacturer, not my neighbor, not the gun store, > > not the ammo maker, > > > ME AND ONLY ME! > > > > > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space > > Coast of Florida > > > hisself at ol-jim.com > > http://www.ol-jim.com > > > > > > An armed society is a polite society. > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Fri Aug 30 06:01:49 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:01:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk References: <3D6ED791.559F852@warwick.net> Message-ID: <01e001c24fd9$f7b00240$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> The only problem with this wonderful theory is that the Nazi's, Stalin and Mao never had gun control. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "Naktalk" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk > Although I do think this whole subject is completely off topic, and > I do hope that it will slowly fade away, I really can't resist putting > in my 2 cents. > If you are going to allow some members of society to have guns- the > military and law enforcement- then you had better let the public retain > the right to bear arms as well. > I have to agree with my ol' buddy Alex Jones of infowars.com on > this one: > "Hitler, Stalin, Mao- Dictators agree!: Gun control really works!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Aug 30 06:14:42 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:14:42 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6EB7CE.957C2B09@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001001c24fdb$c4289020$3db5b742@pii366custom> I think we're ready for a new line of thought. "NRA talk" is not in this room guys..... Though I have had a professional CD recorder for a couple of years now, I finally took the plunge and also bought a CD writer for the computer. My question is: Is it possible to transfer MP3 files onto a CD so that it is playable in regular CD players at home and in the car? What format works? Wave? Or something else? What program will allow me to make the transfer, or is that part of the software that comes with CD writers? Is it true that all DVD players can also play MP3? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Fri Aug 30 06:29:33 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:29:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI!!! References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6EB7CE.957C2B09@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000d01c24fdd$d6fdf710$3db5b742@pii366custom> You guys were so busy talking about guns, look what we missed! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1377278736 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Aug 30 06:36:07 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:36:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk References: <3D6ED791.559F852@warwick.net> Message-ID: <3D6EF632.AB4CF49F@snet.net> This has proven to be an interesting thread, albeit overwhelming and highly off topic. With consideration to all said so far, I don't think it's really possible to form a theory on the effects of guns and violence within a society... nor is it possible to state that without one's right to bear arms, American's would be easy pray for for totalitarian or repressive government control. Quite simply, there are too many societal factors involved to form a clear judgment. If there were no guns would a bunch of kids in Columbine build a number of bombs in an effort to bring down a corner of the school instead... oh yea, they did build some explosives too. Perhaps the lack of firearms would add a level of challenge to senseless and violent acts, but isn't the issue really about a society in America that has been tuned to violence, shown a lack of care by both parents who are too busy chasing careers, the next Lexus, and almighty dollar. We wonder how the value of life sometimes seems to get lost in our society. Likewise, I'm not certain that a lack of personal arms prevents Government rule. First our Government would be too insidious to take us with force. If it comes, it will be through rhetoric and media, debate and popular poll... much in the same way as both Hitler's and Stalin's rule. Along the same lines, some of the most powerful statements of society's uprising against government comes from Tienamin Square in China where no gun was shot and yet at least one person was able to stand up to a tank while the world watched. Am I for or against gun control, I run in the middle... at one level, even one life saved due to accidental or intentional death due to guns is just that, a life saved. Even so, a good friend is a responsible gun owner who has the maturity and intelligence to treat a lethal weapon with the respect and caution that it requires. I don't see why he shouldn't have the right to bear arms if he does so responsibly. I also kind of enjoy hearing him say "gun control means using two hands." I think the real point is that gun control can't be reduced to simple issues... it's all part of a much larger societal malaise. It would be interesting to hear from other parts of the world what the effect of private citizens being allowed or denied arm has in terms of crime, safety, government stability and control. I know a woman from South Africa at work. Once we were talking about NYC and I asked if she was ever concerned for her safety in the city. Her response was the Harlem at midnight was safer than Jo'burg after dusk! She also told me how all the houses have big walls around them and you don't go outside them after dark... lots of guns in the hands of really careless people. I would wonder where we Americans fit in the world picture. Well, far more than two cents worth on the topic, I'll stop now and not say another word! Ed Bill Wheatley wrote: > Although I do think this whole subject is completely off topic, and > I do hope that it will slowly fade away, I really can't resist putting > in my 2 cents. > If you are going to allow some members of society to have guns- the > military and law enforcement- then you had better let the public retain > the right to bear arms as well. > I have to agree with my ol' buddy Alex Jones of infowars.com on > this one: > "Hitler, Stalin, Mao- Dictators agree!: Gun control really works!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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I guess... better luck next time. :-) Vinod >From: "Roland Alford" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI!!! >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:29:33 -0700 > >You guys were so busy talking about guns, look what we missed! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1377278736 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Aug 30 07:01:25 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:01:25 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... In-Reply-To: <001001c24fdb$c4289020$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: Roland, Many of the newer DVD players and automobile CD decks can play CD-Rs that have MP3 files on it. But for the most part a regular CD player will not play a CD-R loaded with MP3 because it does not have the decoding processor in it. I am sure there are other reasons as well. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... I think we're ready for a new line of thought. "NRA talk" is not in this room guys..... Though I have had a professional CD recorder for a couple of years now, I finally took the plunge and also bought a CD writer for the computer. My question is: Is it possible to transfer MP3 files onto a CD so that it is playable in regular CD players at home and in the car? What format works? Wave? Or something else? What program will allow me to make the transfer, or is that part of the software that comes with CD writers? Is it true that all DVD players can also play MP3? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mdewire at ameritech.net Fri Aug 30 07:05:37 2002 From: mdewire at ameritech.net (Michael E DeWire) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:05:37 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... In-Reply-To: <001001c24fdb$c4289020$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: Roland, I just remembered you can convert your MP-3 files to wave files in your PC with many of the software programs available. Then make a CD out of it. I have done this once or twice but the sound is pretty bad because you are taking a lossy compressed MP-3 file and turning back into a 44.1 16 bit non compressed PCM file. Its produces some pretty harsh results, but if that is all you have to work with, it is better than nothing. Best, Michael -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... I think we're ready for a new line of thought. "NRA talk" is not in this room guys..... Though I have had a professional CD recorder for a couple of years now, I finally took the plunge and also bought a CD writer for the computer. My question is: Is it possible to transfer MP3 files onto a CD so that it is playable in regular CD players at home and in the car? What format works? Wave? Or something else? What program will allow me to make the transfer, or is that part of the software that comes with CD writers? Is it true that all DVD players can also play MP3? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 07:25:22 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:25:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gun control In-Reply-To: <01d601c24fd9$c50175e0$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20020830052522.42192.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> > This is typical NRA bullshit nobody in the USA is > using their guns > to protect themselves from the government. nor is > their any advantage > having arms just ask the south during the civil war. Warren The idea is that people must retain their weapons in case the government should decide to start restricting liberties to the point where it becomes unbearable. It is of course largely symbolic since a well organized 50 man team could easily establish control over a community of 10000 equally armed but unorganized citizens. However, the symbolism is important and traditions must be respected. The gun to many Americans is like the Igloo to the Eskimo. Try banning or regulating those and I gaurantee you a lot of angry Eskimos (with high powered rifles). The idea that gun ownership is the best way of preventing criminality is a good one but a strategic disaster for the NRA which formed alliances with law enforcement and forgot about the other angles. Law enforcem,ent soon discovered that having a monopoly on guns was better than an alliance with the NRA. For example the NRA didn't exploit the fact that gun laws are the most racist laws in exsistence. Almost without exception they pop up wherever there is a large concentration of black folks to the point that they remind me of the old Jim Crow laws. Gun laws infact are tailor made to keep the guns out of the hands of certain people while avoiding others. As for the safety issue, I compare it to speed limits. The Gerrmans have no speed limiton their Autobahns and they didn't have high accident rates by comparison with the US. Now if we were to suddenly lift all speed limits on all major highways there would be a dramatic increase in the accident rate but after a few months it would drop back to near pre-speed limit levels. The thrill of speed would loose much of it's luster now that anyone can do it. Similarly if all gun ownership restrictions were lifted there would be an initial increase in gun violence but it would also drop off after people realized that they are living in a society where the man with the gun is no longer king. It's sort of like having a rifle in the army after a few hours of holding it, playing with it and shooting it you soon realize that it makes you no different from anyone else there and you look at it the way a mechanic looks at his socket set. The magic and the rush are gone. Gun ownership also makes a man far more civic minded. The ability to effect change by force in his community gives him a stake in it that he can't have in a gun controlled area. Sort of like every man his own policeman. It also does make people far more reserved about what they say to other people. As for the south in the civil war they were able to put up quite a fight with those guns to the point that they can still claim to have produced the best General in the country's history. But since both sides had no gun control in those days it's a non-issue. > The taliban did not and have never created a gun > free society > Warren > No initially the Taliban were praised by governments the world over and by that incredible institution up in the sky the UN for their ability to collect guns from the population for the first time in history. No one in Taliban controlled territory other than the Taliban and their non-drinking buddies Al-Qaeda were allowed to keep arms of any kind, not even short arms or bolt action rifles for personal protection. If an Afgan was getting mugged for his horse he had gleeful recourse to the law and that's it. It gets me thinking, if they'de left those people armed and concentrated on building support among them instead perhaps they would still be in power! Javier PS Stalin, Hitler and Mao DID institute massive gun control programs as did that great hero of American socialism FDR. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Aug 30 07:44:33 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:44:33 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI!!! References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6EB7CE.957C2B09@rcn.com> <000d01c24fdd$d6fdf710$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <000e01c24fe8$52071cc0$a91a9bca@smarzuki> LOL Roland !!! We still have an opportunity to get that huge cd player right beneath the deck ... he might put a buy it now for $75 soon =) Can anyone tell what make / brand the cdp is ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland Alford To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:29 AM Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI!!! You guys were so busy talking about guns, look what we missed! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1377278736 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 30 07:41:20 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 22:41:20 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk In-Reply-To: <3D6EF632.AB4CF49F@snet.net> Message-ID: I had two guys come to my door one night rather annoyed I had their car ticketed for blocking my driveway. They were not going to leave; they threatened to kill me. The Glock I keep near the front door settled the issue and they left very quickly when faced with a 40 calibre hole staring at them. I never had any repercrussions from that event. Oh, and the great Oakland Police Department responded in a lightning quick 45 minutes and then had the audacity to ask if I had a permit for my weapon. I asked him to leave my home immediately and never come back and informed him he was useless as is the rest of the Oakland Police Department. I'll keep my guns and my Nakamichi decks, thank you. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Guntalk This has proven to be an interesting thread, albeit overwhelming and highly off topic. With consideration to all said so far, I don't think it's really possible to form a theory on the effects of guns and violence within a society... nor is it possible to state that without one's right to bear arms, American's would be easy pray for for totalitarian or repressive government control. Quite simply, there are too many societal factors involved to form a clear judgment. If there were no guns would a bunch of kids in Columbine build a number of bombs in an effort to bring down a corner of the school instead... oh yea, they did build some explosives too. Perhaps the lack of firearms would add a level of challenge to senseless and violent acts, but isn't the issue really about a society in America that has been tuned to violence, shown a lack of care by both parents who are too busy chasing careers, the next Lexus, and almighty dollar. We wonder how the value of life sometimes seems to get lost in our society. Likewise, I'm not certain that a lack of personal arms prevents Government rule. First our Government would be too insidious to take us with force. If it comes, it will be through rhetoric and media, debate and popular poll... much in the same way as both Hitler's and Stalin's rule. Along the same lines, some of the most powerful statements of society's uprising against government comes from Tienamin Square in China where no gun was shot and yet at least one person was able to stand up to a tank while the world watched. Am I for or against gun control, I run in the middle... at one level, even one life saved due to accidental or intentional death due to guns is just that, a life saved. Even so, a good friend is a responsible gun owner who has the maturity and intelligence to treat a lethal weapon with the respect and caution that it requires. I don't see why he shouldn't have the right to bear arms if he does so responsibly. I also kind of enjoy hearing him say "gun control means using two hands." I think the real point is that gun control can't be reduced to simple issues... it's all part of a much larger societal malaise. It would be interesting to hear from other parts of the world what the effect of private citizens being allowed or denied arm has in terms of crime, safety, government stability and control. I know a woman from South Africa at work. Once we were talking about NYC and I asked if she was ever concerned for her safety in the city. Her response was the Harlem at midnight was safer than Jo'burg after dusk! She also told me how all the houses have big walls around them and you don't go outside them after dark... lots of guns in the hands of really careless people. I would wonder where we Americans fit in the world picture. Well, far more than two cents worth on the topic, I'll stop now and not say another word! Ed Bill Wheatley wrote: > Although I do think this whole subject is completely off topic, and > I do hope that it will slowly fade away, I really can't resist putting > in my 2 cents. > If you are going to allow some members of society to have guns- the > military and law enforcement- then you had better let the public retain > the right to bear arms as well. > I have to agree with my ol' buddy Alex Jones of infowars.com on > this one: > "Hitler, Stalin, Mao- Dictators agree!: Gun control really works!" > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Salim SM -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... Is it true that all DVD players can also play MP3? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 30 08:11:40 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:11:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control In-Reply-To: <20020830052522.42192.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: They helped me; see prior post. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Javier Perez Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:25 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gun control > This is typical NRA bullshit nobody in the USA is > using their guns > to protect themselves from the government. nor is > their any advantage > having arms just ask the south during the civil war. Warren The idea is that people must retain their weapons in case the government should decide to start restricting liberties to the point where it becomes unbearable. It is of course largely symbolic since a well organized 50 man team could easily establish control over a community of 10000 equally armed but unorganized citizens. However, the symbolism is important and traditions must be respected. The gun to many Americans is like the Igloo to the Eskimo. Try banning or regulating those and I gaurantee you a lot of angry Eskimos (with high powered rifles). The idea that gun ownership is the best way of preventing criminality is a good one but a strategic disaster for the NRA which formed alliances with law enforcement and forgot about the other angles. Law enforcem,ent soon discovered that having a monopoly on guns was better than an alliance with the NRA. For example the NRA didn't exploit the fact that gun laws are the most racist laws in exsistence. Almost without exception they pop up wherever there is a large concentration of black folks to the point that they remind me of the old Jim Crow laws. Gun laws infact are tailor made to keep the guns out of the hands of certain people while avoiding others. As for the safety issue, I compare it to speed limits. The Gerrmans have no speed limiton their Autobahns and they didn't have high accident rates by comparison with the US. Now if we were to suddenly lift all speed limits on all major highways there would be a dramatic increase in the accident rate but after a few months it would drop back to near pre-speed limit levels. The thrill of speed would loose much of it's luster now that anyone can do it. Similarly if all gun ownership restrictions were lifted there would be an initial increase in gun violence but it would also drop off after people realized that they are living in a society where the man with the gun is no longer king. It's sort of like having a rifle in the army after a few hours of holding it, playing with it and shooting it you soon realize that it makes you no different from anyone else there and you look at it the way a mechanic looks at his socket set. The magic and the rush are gone. Gun ownership also makes a man far more civic minded. The ability to effect change by force in his community gives him a stake in it that he can't have in a gun controlled area. Sort of like every man his own policeman. It also does make people far more reserved about what they say to other people. As for the south in the civil war they were able to put up quite a fight with those guns to the point that they can still claim to have produced the best General in the country's history. But since both sides had no gun control in those days it's a non-issue. > The taliban did not and have never created a gun > free society > Warren > No initially the Taliban were praised by governments the world over and by that incredible institution up in the sky the UN for their ability to collect guns from the population for the first time in history. No one in Taliban controlled territory other than the Taliban and their non-drinking buddies Al-Qaeda were allowed to keep arms of any kind, not even short arms or bolt action rifles for personal protection. If an Afgan was getting mugged for his horse he had gleeful recourse to the law and that's it. It gets me thinking, if they'de left those people armed and concentrated on building support among them instead perhaps they would still be in power! Javier PS Stalin, Hitler and Mao DID institute massive gun control programs as did that great hero of American socialism FDR. :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 30 08:34:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:34:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DEAD [Brand] ...? Message-ID: <01C24FFA.DAF98880.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> What we need is a gun called "The Nakamichi" .... -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DEAD [Brand] ...? Guys - we haven't had such lively a discussion as this one about GUNS about anything related to Nakamichi tape decks in months. Is NAKAMICHI DEAD? Should I expect to continue getting 5 messages / hour about guns? Stan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 30 08:45:00 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:45:00 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control Message-ID: <01C24FFA.DD6690E0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Javier said: A gun free society is a feudal society where people exist at the mercy of the armed nobility until they revolt or until they suffer the indignity of being "liberated". Oi! Most of Europe is gun free - you are suggesting Europe is feudal ! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 30 09:06:50 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:06:50 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors Message-ID: <01C24FFC.88024C00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I have heard much about caps on this List not least the terrible orange ones and how they ought to be replaced by, is it polypro' ones. Now, I am no engineer and am guided by what most of you guys say in this respect, but an engineer friend of mine reckons the hi fi world's love of these special poly' caps' is another addiction to snake oil. Apart from the nasty orange one's that cause such a problem in the Naks, he thinks a cap' is a cap' ... (and you'll not be surprised that he's just as skeptical about fancy interconnects, power cables and a whole host of other hi fi associated goodies.) So, can anyone explain to me, preferably in layman's language, what is the big deal about the special cap's?? Gra' PS Stephen - if you're reading this .... not been able to raise you. How's my DATs doing? I miss them! Been gone so long I forget what they look like! ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Aug 30 09:14:40 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:14:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DEAD [Brand] ...? In-Reply-To: <01C24FFA.DAF98880.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: be careful what you ask for! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:35 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] Nakamichi DEAD [Brand] ...? What we need is a gun called "The Nakamichi" .... -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [SMTP:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:39 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi DEAD [Brand] ...? Guys - we haven't had such lively a discussion as this one about GUNS about anything related to Nakamichi tape decks in months. Is NAKAMICHI DEAD? Should I expect to continue getting 5 messages / hour about guns? Stan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 09:50:05 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gun control In-Reply-To: <01C24FFA.DD6690E0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Like I said Until they revolt, or until they suffer the indignity of being liberated. --- Graham Nelson wrote: > > Javier said: > A gun free society is a feudal society where people > exist at the mercy of the armed nobility until they > revolt or until they suffer the indignity of > being "liberated". > > Oi! Most of Europe is gun free - you are > suggesting Europe is feudal ! > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release > Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Aug 30 12:04:16 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Dead Video Format In-Reply-To: <002101c24fbb$3c636220$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <20020830100416.19078.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Roland But I'm looking for an older discontinued model in the under 150 dollar category. I know they're out there! Javier --- Roland Alford wrote: > Javier, try a TASCAM pro 2000 CD Recorder or HHB 800 > or 850. Both can use > computer CDs. > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Aug 30 13:47:15 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:47:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> Gentlemen: After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, you know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including speakers, recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at good prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small repairs... Equipment: 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) MR-2 (3) (cheap!) 500 (very cheap) 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) Technics RS-M 63 Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover (awesome!) Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) Spectral DM 100 Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) Tannoy Speakers PM 8 Arcam CD Player Revox B 77 MK II Carver Tuner TX 1 Soundcraftsment EQ Audio Control C-101 dbx 228 Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction Nakamichi 200 NR Unit Panasonic 3700 Dat Player Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list please. FAST!!!!! Carlos Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. Shipping charges are similar to New York. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Fri Aug 30 13:15:53 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:15:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk References: <3D6ED791.559F852@warwick.net> <01e001c24fd9$f7b00240$b4f63fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D6F53E9.634B2DCC@warwick.net> A synonym for 'control', in this case, would be 'confiscation', and that they had. Warren wrote: > > The only problem with this wonderful theory is that the Nazi's, > Stalin and Mao never had gun control. > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Wheatley" > To: "Naktalk" > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:25 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Guntalk > > > Although I do think this whole subject is completely off topic, and > > I do hope that it will slowly fade away, I really can't resist putting > > in my 2 cents. > > If you are going to allow some members of society to have guns- the > > military and law enforcement- then you had better let the public retain > > the right to bear arms as well. > > I have to agree with my ol' buddy Alex Jones of infowars.com on > > this one: > > "Hitler, Stalin, Mao- Dictators agree!: Gun control really works!" > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Fri Aug 30 14:06:59 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:06:59 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors In-Reply-To: <01C24FFC.88024C00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> References: <01C24FFC.88024C00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <8671.020830@mtu-net.ru> Hello Graham, I'll try to say a few words about caps. Various caps have their own SOUND SIGNATURE. Metallised polyproilen have its own, film and foil polyp. its own. Paper in oil alluminium foil its own and the same type copper foil its own. Such capacitors as M.I.T. noninductive types make great improvements in sound clarity in many solid state devices. Paper in oil are prefered to tubed amps and other tubed equipment. I have a lot of expireence in testing and listening to various capacitors in tubed equipment because my company produce tube amps, DACs and Phono Stages. Nakamichi's decks have their own sound, I think that Nakamichi's engineers were able to MAKE SOUND from mass market type components, so capacitors, opamps, resistors in Nakamichi tape decks are not SOMETHING SPECIAL - they are ORDINARY types, not high-end or audiophile grade, but Nakamichi's sound stay one step higher their competitors and can be absoulutely claimed High-End in the best meaning of these words. Regards, Vladimir пятница, 30 августа 2002, you wrote to me: GN> I have heard much about caps on this List not least the terrible orange GN> ones and how they ought to be replaced by, is it polypro' ones. Now, I am GN> no engineer and am guided by what most of you guys say in this respect, but GN> an engineer friend of mine reckons the hi fi world's love of these special GN> poly' caps' is another addiction to snake oil. Apart from the nasty orange GN> one's that cause such a problem in the Naks, he thinks a cap' is a cap' ... GN> (and you'll not be surprised that he's just as skeptical about fancy GN> interconnects, power cables and a whole host of other hi fi associated GN> goodies.) GN> So, can anyone explain to me, preferably in layman's language, what is the GN> big deal about the special cap's?? GN> Gra' GN> PS GN> Stephen - if you're reading this .... not been able to raise you. How's my GN> DATs doing? I miss them! Been gone so long I forget what they look like! GN> ;o) GN> --- GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Aug 30 14:01:43 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:01:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <00d201c2501d$029cf670$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Carlos, How much for the B&W 802's? Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > Gentlemen: > > After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, you > know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including speakers, > recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at good > prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small repairs... > > Equipment: > > 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) > MR-2 (3) (cheap!) > 500 (very cheap) > 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) > B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) > Technics RS-M 63 > Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New > > Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote > Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic > Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) > Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) > Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) > > B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover (awesome!) > > Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) > Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) > Spectral DM 100 > Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) > Tannoy Speakers PM 8 > > Arcam CD Player > Revox B 77 MK II > Carver Tuner TX 1 > Soundcraftsment EQ > Audio Control C-101 > dbx 228 > Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction > Nakamichi 200 NR Unit > Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > > Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) > Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... > > And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any > friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list > please. FAST!!!!! > > Carlos > > Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. Shipping charges are similar to New York. > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From aferro at televen.com Fri Aug 30 14:21:47 2002 From: aferro at televen.com (Antonio Ferro) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:21:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <001301c2501f$d11cf7a0$bb0fde81@televen.com> Hi El Magnifico, How much for the Arcam CD Player, and which model is? The condition? And how much for the MR-2 too You make international shipping(Venezuela)? see ya, ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale Gentlemen: After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, you know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including speakers, recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at good prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small repairs... Equipment: 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) MR-2 (3) (cheap!) 500 (very cheap) 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) Technics RS-M 63 Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover (awesome!) Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) Spectral DM 100 Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) Tannoy Speakers PM 8 Arcam CD Player Revox B 77 MK II Carver Tuner TX 1 Soundcraftsment EQ Audio Control C-101 dbx 228 Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction Nakamichi 200 NR Unit Panasonic 3700 Dat Player Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list please. FAST!!!!! Carlos Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. Shipping charges are similar to New York. ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 30 14:38:48 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:38:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control References: <002201c24fd9$848b1480$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <006e01c25022$304f2ac0$8d021fac@brianm> I hope I can make this my last message on this. First, when speaking of the NRA, you are not speaking of a union where workers are forced to pay dues to and the NRA that uses this power to their benefit and do as they will, when you think NRA, think of thousands and thousands of individuals, as they voluntarily give to the NRA because these people agree; they are the NRA. In a nut shell, the NRA is not a few people with an agenga, it's your neighbors, co-workers................ Second, the message below is good but I would like to add that parents that have guns should take their kids as early as possible to a range and let them shoot the gun to teach them about guns. Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "NakTalk" Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > I'll probably regret jumping in on this, but here goes... > > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:34:59 -0700, Jim Volpatti > wrote: > > >Come on, Jim. Many many more than eleven people were killed > >wrongfully last year from the use of fire arms. > > I think Jim was referring simply to children killed by accident in the home. > I don't find it hard to believe that 11 is approximately the correct number. > > >The only proactive way of holding those responsible for the > >wrongful use of fire arms is to ban the public use of fire arms > >altogether. Our national crime statistics would be orders of > >magnitudes lower. There must be a statistic for fire arm use > >for other than hunting, self defense and law enforcement. > >That percentage of fire arm use would represent a huge > >reduction in crime in our country. > > Wrongful use isn't going to go away if you ban the public use of fire arms > altogether. Sure, the honest people like you and me will turn in our fire > arms (not that I own a gun and I get the impression that you probably don't, > but if I did I would turn it in if the laws were to change). However, how > many of the dishonest people out there with unregistered fire arms are going > to turn them in? How many murderers are going to stop trying to purchase > illegal weapons? If they can't get a gun, they'll use something else. My > belief is that laws like the banning of fire arms only take the weapons away > from the honest people who aren't generally causing any problem in the first > place. As to accidental deaths in the home, people need to take some > responsibility for their own actions these days. > > Parents should... Teach their kids not to touch the weapon. Teach their > kids not to touch a burner on a stove. Teach their kids what the word NO > means. Too many parents these days plop their kids in front of the TV and > rely on it to bring them up. When I was little, I learned the word NO > pretty quickly - the few times I didn't respond in the appropriate manner, I > found out in short order exactly what the word meant. How many parents do > you see out in public begging their kids to behave. IMO, this is the real > problem, not the guns themselves. > > As an example, my cousin and her husband brought their 1 1/2 year old over > to our house a few months back. He went to touch the burner on the stove. > The husband asked if the gas was hooked up. My verbal response - YES! The > response I was thinking was that it doesn't matter if it's on or not - you > teach the kid not to touch it. Their house is "baby proofed." Great except > for the fact that it's actually baby resistant and they rely on proof, and > everywhere you go isn't going to be baby proofed. > > Well at least I feel better now :). > > I actually agree with the others who have suggested that this sort of > discussion probably doesn't belong here, as it's bound to turn ugly sooner > or later. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Aug 30 15:30:01 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:30:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> <00d201c2501d$029cf670$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <015a01c25029$58eb1dc0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Sorry folks, this should have been off line. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > Carlos, > > How much for the B&W 802's? > > Thanks, > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:47 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, you > > know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including speakers, > > recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at > good > > prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small > repairs... > > > > Equipment: > > > > 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) > > MR-2 (3) (cheap!) > > 500 (very cheap) > > 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) > > B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) > > Technics RS-M 63 > > Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New > > > > Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote > > Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic > > Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) > > Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) > > Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) > > > > B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover > (awesome!) > > > > Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) > > Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) > > Spectral DM 100 > > Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) > > Tannoy Speakers PM 8 > > > > Arcam CD Player > > Revox B 77 MK II > > Carver Tuner TX 1 > > Soundcraftsment EQ > > Audio Control C-101 > > dbx 228 > > Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction > > Nakamichi 200 NR Unit > > Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > > > > Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) > > Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... > > > > And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any > > friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list > > please. FAST!!!!! > > > > Carlos > > > > Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. Shipping charges are similar to New > York. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Fri Aug 30 16:55:38 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:55:38 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> <00d201c2501d$029cf670$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <001701c25035$4f1fad40$e72f2ac4@CopyTech> I don't really have an idea. I paid $2,000 for them 2 years ago. Make me an offer. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "John M. Tooley" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > Carlos, > > How much for the B&W 802's? > > Thanks, > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "El Magnifico" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:47 AM > Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, you > > know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including speakers, > > recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at > good > > prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small > repairs... > > > > Equipment: > > > > 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) > > MR-2 (3) (cheap!) > > 500 (very cheap) > > 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) > > B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) > > Technics RS-M 63 > > Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New > > > > Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote > > Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic > > Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) > > Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) > > Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) > > > > B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover > (awesome!) > > > > Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) > > Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) > > Spectral DM 100 > > Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) > > Tannoy Speakers PM 8 > > > > Arcam CD Player > > Revox B 77 MK II > > Carver Tuner TX 1 > > Soundcraftsment EQ > > Audio Control C-101 > > dbx 228 > > Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction > > Nakamichi 200 NR Unit > > Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > > > > Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) > > Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... > > > > And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any > > friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list > > please. FAST!!!!! > > > > Carlos > > > > Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. Shipping charges are similar to New > York. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vvinodk at hotmail.com Fri Aug 30 16:00:53 2002 From: vvinodk at hotmail.com (Vinod Kumar) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:00:53 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale Message-ID: Hi Carlos, Wondering what will be the price for the following : 1. Audio Control C-101 2. Panasonic 3700 Dat Player 3. Nakamichi MR-2 Thanks Vinod >From: "El Magnifico" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale >Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:47:15 -0500 > >Gentlemen: > >After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, you >know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including speakers, >recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at >good >prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small >repairs... > >Equipment: > >700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) >MR-2 (3) (cheap!) >500 (very cheap) >700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) >B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) >Technics RS-M 63 >Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New > >Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote >Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic >Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) >Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) >Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) > >B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover (awesome!) > >Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) >Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) >Spectral DM 100 >Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) >Tannoy Speakers PM 8 > >Arcam CD Player >Revox B 77 MK II >Carver Tuner TX 1 >Soundcraftsment EQ >Audio Control C-101 >dbx 228 >Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction >Nakamichi 200 NR Unit >Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > >Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) >Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... > >And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any >friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list >please. FAST!!!!! > >Carlos > >Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From brianm at grar.com Fri Aug 30 16:05:19 2002 From: brianm at grar.com (Brian Miller) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:05:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> <00d201c2501d$029cf670$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> <015a01c25029$58eb1dc0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <00f701c2502e$46b17d70$8d021fac@brianm> I am curious myself! Brian Miller Michigan http://brian.grar.com > Sorry folks, this should have been off line. > > John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John M. Tooley" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:01 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > > > > Carlos, > > > > How much for the B&W 802's? > > > > Thanks, > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "El Magnifico" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:47 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > > > > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > > > After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, > you > > > know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including > speakers, > > > recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them at > > good > > > prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small > > repairs... > > > > > > Equipment: > > > > > > 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) > > > MR-2 (3) (cheap!) > > > 500 (very cheap) > > > 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) > > > B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) > > > Technics RS-M 63 > > > Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New > > > > > > Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote > > > Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic > > > Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) > > > Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) > > > Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) > > > > > > B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover > > (awesome!) > > > > > > Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) > > > Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) > > > Spectral DM 100 > > > Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) > > > Tannoy Speakers PM 8 > > > > > > Arcam CD Player > > > Revox B 77 MK II > > > Carver Tuner TX 1 > > > Soundcraftsment EQ > > > Audio Control C-101 > > > dbx 228 > > > Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction > > > Nakamichi 200 NR Unit > > > Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > > > > > > Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) > > > Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... > > > > > > And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or any > > > friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off list > > > please. FAST!!!!! > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From t.h.jackson at verizon.net Fri Aug 30 16:14:59 2002 From: t.h.jackson at verizon.net (Timothy H. Jackson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:14:59 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... In-Reply-To: <001001c24fdb$c4289020$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <003301c2502f$9fe22c40$217ba8c0@henry> Most CD burning software will allow you to make a "music CD" out of MP3's. They will be converted back to .wav as they are burned, just as they are converted back to .wav as they are played. The resulting CD will sound as good as the MP3's did - no better, but they should not sound worse. Don't convert the files then record them to CD... Do as little processing on these over-processed files as possible. Tim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 9:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... I think we're ready for a new line of thought. "NRA talk" is not in this room guys..... Though I have had a professional CD recorder for a couple of years now, I finally took the plunge and also bought a CD writer for the computer. My question is: Is it possible to transfer MP3 files onto a CD so that it is playable in regular CD players at home and in the car? What format works? Wave? Or something else? What program will allow me to make the transfer, or is that part of the software that comes with CD writers? Is it true that all DVD players can also play MP3? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Fri Aug 30 23:46:32 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:46:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-tape1 update Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBFCA@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> have received tape. will record my track over the weekend & send it on to JS. guys, come on! less guntalk, more naktalk. waddaya say? AD ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Aug 31 07:51:33 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Magnavox FD1040 In-Reply-To: <00d201c2501d$029cf670$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <20020831055133.45516.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I'm not sure who pointed me to the CDM-2 based machines because I blew all of my mailbox by accident. Anyway, I just bought one - the Magnavox FD1040. Will I be able to extract 2 boards that make up the circuit pack and replace them on the Mac 7000? Here it is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375804880 Does this look good? I'm hoping the problem is in the drive and the boards are ok! Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 30 16:54:10 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:54:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Transferring MP3 to CD... References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6EB7CE.957C2B09@rcn.com> <001001c24fdb$c4289020$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: <3D6F8712.D3DD92EC@rcn.com> Roland Alford wrote: > > I think we're ready for a new line of thought. "NRA talk" is not in this > room guys..... Amen!!! > Though I have had a professional CD recorder for a couple of years now, I > finally took the plunge and also bought a CD writer for the computer. > > My question is: Is it possible to transfer MP3 files onto a CD so that it > is playable in regular CD players at home and in the car? It is possible to transfer MP3 files to CDs, to be playable on players that support MP3. Most 'regular' CD players and car players do not. This feature is appearing more and more often in newer models, though. > What format works? Wave? Or something else? WAV files are not the same as MP3 files, these are two different formats. It is easy to convert WAV to MP3. It is impossible (and pointless) to do the reverse. In order to burn MP3 files onto a CD, they must be in MP3 format or converted to it. Many programs can convert, including freeware ones (for example, WinAmp, that you can download for free). > What program will allow me to make the transfer, or > is that part of the software that comes with CD > writers? You can buy 'retail' versions of CD-R/RW drives, that usually come with application S/W. Most come with 'lite' versions of the S/W, that, upon invocation, urge you to shell out for the full strength version. You can also buy 'OEM' drives, that come with nothing (often, not even installation instructions or drivers). These are for the knowledgeable DIY type. My favorite program is the EasyCD package from Roxio (used to be Adaptec). Available in both 'Lite' and 'Platinum' versions. This will support the DirectCD format, allow you to copy or burn CDs and build MP3 CDs. The Platinum lists for about $100, but can be had for less in the right mail order stores. The Lite often comes for free in CD-R/RW drives retail packages. > Is it true that all DVD players can also play MP3? Definitely not. Some do -- mostly, newer ones. I currently can play MP3 files on 3 devices: PC, a portable CD player and my brand new DVD player. -- Ron > Thanx, > Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Aug 30 17:23:24 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:23:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors References: <01C24FFC.88024C00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D6F8DEC.917A7A9D@rcn.com> It is not true that 'caps are caps'. Actually, no cap in the world is pure, constant, capacitance and nothing else. All real world capacitors also have resistance and inductance. In many (most?) applications, this is negligible. In some, it is not. For such applications, the knowledgeable engineer will select capacitors that exhibit less of these annoying characteristics, even though their price tends to be disproportionately high. For run-of-the-mill audio, just about any capacitor will do. For high quality audio, where all other aberrations have already been taken care of, resistance and inductance can play a role. In addition, capacitance of some caps is not a constant, but varies with applied voltage. This manifests itself as distortion. Again, in most caps the effect is negligible for most applications, but justifies careful selection in critical cases. Tantalum caps are so bad, they are not usable for coupling any audio signals at all -- the resulting distortion is that high. IOW, one should choose caps based on the application and balance price vs. required performance. Needless to say, some high-end aficionados take this to the extreme and are willing to pay $100 for a cap that has so slight as to be inaudible advantage over a $1 cap. The orange caps do not belong in this discussion. Their problem is not poor characteristics, but poor reliability -- they simply go bad. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > I have heard much about caps on this List not least the terrible orange > ones and how they ought to be replaced by, is it polypro' ones. Now, I am > no engineer and am guided by what most of you guys say in this respect, but > an engineer friend of mine reckons the hi fi world's love of these special > poly' caps' is another addiction to snake oil. Apart from the nasty orange > one's that cause such a problem in the Naks, he thinks a cap' is a cap' ... > (and you'll not be surprised that he's just as skeptical about fancy > interconnects, power cables and a whole host of other hi fi associated > goodies.) > > So, can anyone explain to me, preferably in layman's language, what is the > big deal about the special cap's?? > > Gra' > > PS > Stephen - if you're reading this .... not been able to raise you. How's my > DATs doing? I miss them! Been gone so long I forget what they look like! > ;o) > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Aug 30 16:39:02 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:39:02 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: <20020830075005.68789.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> <004601c2501b$35b88760$542f2ac4@CopyTech> <00d201c2501d$029cf670$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> <015a01c25029$58eb1dc0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> <00f701c2502e$46b17d70$8d021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <01ab01c25032$fc8d49e0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> More than my budget I'm afraid but thank you Carlos. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Miller" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > I am curious myself! > > Brian Miller > Michigan > http://brian.grar.com > > > > > Sorry folks, this should have been off line. > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John M. Tooley" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > > > > > > > Carlos, > > > > > > How much for the B&W 802's? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "El Magnifico" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:47 AM > > > Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > > > > > > > > > > Gentlemen: > > > > > > > > After an exhaustive research, my wife and me found that we (well, me, > > you > > > > know ... ) have in our possesion 65 audio components, including > > speakers, > > > > recorders, separates, eqs, etc ... I decided to sell a bunch of them > at > > > good > > > > prices. Some are working, some others needs adjustments and small > > > repairs... > > > > > > > > Equipment: > > > > > > > > 700 ZXL (needs a second visit to Stephen) > > > > MR-2 (3) (cheap!) > > > > 500 (very cheap) > > > > 700 II (impressive conditions, box & manuals. needs belt) > > > > B-215 ( for parts or repair, you choose) > > > > Technics RS-M 63 > > > > Denon 790 R (Pro) Almost New > > > > > > > > Meridian 541 Surround Pre + Remote > > > > Adcom Power Amp (x 3 ch.) + Dolby Pro Logic > > > > Adcom Home Theater Amp (100w x 5) > > > > Jolida Integrated 202 Never opened ! (factory sealed) > > > > Klipsch 8.5 Black Never Opened (Pair) (Heavy) > > > > > > > > B&W 802 with Cardas internal wiring and fully modified crossover > > > (awesome!) > > > > > > > > Thiel 1.0 Speakers (collector's item: first pair ever made!) > > > > Crown DC 300 (needs a new transistor) > > > > Spectral DM 100 > > > > Golden Tube SE-100 (new, with box, but needs repair) > > > > Tannoy Speakers PM 8 > > > > > > > > Arcam CD Player > > > > Revox B 77 MK II > > > > Carver Tuner TX 1 > > > > Soundcraftsment EQ > > > > Audio Control C-101 > > > > dbx 228 > > > > Dynafex Single End Noise Reduction > > > > Nakamichi 200 NR Unit > > > > Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > > > > > > > > Complete Klipsch Home Theater System ($3,000, very good price !) > > > > Tower/Powered fronts, center + surrounds ... > > > > > > > > And so many others I can'r recall at this moment. If some of you or > any > > > > friend can take benefit from this sale, well, welcome ! Respond off > list > > > > please. FAST!!!!! > > > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > > > Remember that I'm in Puerto Rico. Shipping charges are similar to New > > > York. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > > resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > > [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Aug 31 17:36:33 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:36:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control References: <002201c24fd9$848b1480$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <006e01c25022$304f2ac0$8d021fac@brianm> Message-ID: <3D70E281.6020607@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. Please consider these points: 1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) 2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way - the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other dictator.) 3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), and handguns and rifles are totally banned. The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city (Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most violent society on the planet! Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is dead! Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever behind before you come... Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 30 20:54:53 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:54:53 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors Message-ID: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Vladimir Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir [SMTP:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:07 PM To: Graham Nelson Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1251 >> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sat Aug 31 07:38:40 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:38:40 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <20020830052522.42192.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> <002501c25017$3f8c89c0$542f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <004b01c250b1$71500be0$86199bca@smarzuki> When you're driving at >100 km/h I'm sure you dont want to do any of those things ... =) salim sm ----- Original Message ----- From: El Magnifico To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gun control > The Gerrmans have no speed limiton their Autobahns and > they didn't have high accident rates by comparison > with the US. And, you know why ? Simply because when they drive, they only do that. We, on the other hand, wants to read the paper, fight with the children on the way to the school, drink cofee in super big mugs, talk by cell phone, scratch our asses, well, you got the idea ... Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Both can use > computer CDs. > > Roland > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= g:\07. razno\naktalk archive\2002\2002-9.txt ************************************************************************ From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Sep 1 05:42:44 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:42:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Magnavox FD1040 Message-ID: <20020831.234245.-371329.0.josephj69@juno.com> I may be wrong here, but wasn't the FD1040 a 14 bit CDM1 based machine? I'm not sure what the Mac 7000 used. - Joe On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Javier Perez writes: > Hi > > I'm not sure who pointed me to the CDM-2 based > machines because I blew all of my mailbox by > accident. Anyway, I just bought one - the Magnavox > FD1040. Will I be able to extract 2 boards that make > up the circuit pack and replace them on the Mac 7000? > > Here it is > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375804880 > > Does this look good? > > I'm hoping the problem is in the drive and the boards > are ok! > > Javier > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Sun Sep 1 05:46:28 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:46:28 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI AV-10 References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660EBFCA@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <002401c2516a$2743e760$3db5b742@pii366custom> I have been looking for a Nakamchi AV-10 DTS Receiver for a friend, but noticed they are extremely rare, even though Nakamchi shows them as a current item on their website. Anybody know if they are phasing this out in place of something new? If not, how come they are so hard to find anywhere? Thanx, Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 1 07:01:14 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Magnavox FD1040 In-Reply-To: <20020831.234245.-371329.0.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <20020901050114.42969.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Oh shit! Please don't tell me that. the Mac used a CDM-2 Javier --- josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > I may be wrong here, but wasn't the FD1040 a 14 bit > CDM1 based machine? > I'm not sure what the Mac 7000 used. > > - Joe > > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Javier > Perez > writes: > > Hi > > > > I'm not sure who pointed me to the CDM-2 based > > machines because I blew all of my mailbox by > > accident. Anyway, I just bought one - the Magnavox > > FD1040. Will I be able to extract 2 boards that > make > > up the circuit pack and replace them on the Mac > 7000? > > > > Here it is > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375804880 > > > > Does this look good? > > > > I'm hoping the problem is in the drive and the > boards > > are ok! > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 07:22:43 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:22:43 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control In-Reply-To: <3D70E281.6020607@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have had to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are useless here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. ciao Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. Please consider these points: 1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) 2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way - the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other dictator.) 3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), and handguns and rifles are totally banned. The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city (Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most violent society on the planet! Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is dead! Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever behind before you come... Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 09:16:43 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 08:16:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control References: Message-ID: <3D71BEDB.50903@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Carl I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take 50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the end of the day. Carl C wrote: >Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have had >to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are useless >here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. > >ciao >Carl > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > >Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun >control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates >like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be >considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's >sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally >bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. > > Please consider these points: >1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is >not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the >European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) >all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature >when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) > >2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the >right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with >being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The >argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way >- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance >to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other dictator.) > >3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police >forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), >and handguns and rifles are totally banned. > >The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city >(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of >the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of >Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, >that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much >more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete >Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most >violent society on the planet! > >Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we >end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), >whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because >he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was >proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a >strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed >to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. >Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found >a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. >Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the >excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has >nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and >rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? >An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is dead! > >Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single >accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally >unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm >ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a >massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite >this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the >number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the >population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would >argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the >Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever >behind before you come... > >Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 09:29:57 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 00:29:57 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control In-Reply-To: <3D71BEDB.50903@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: I have no intention of becoming a statistic while we achieve a "better society". We in the United States are a young country still grappling with social problems. We are far from a "heterogeneous" society such as the various european countries. How many centuries of warfare in Europe preceded modern civilized norms? I care only for my immediate problem which is to protect me and my family. Reliance on other people is naive and useless. Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:17 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control Carl I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take 50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the end of the day. Carl C wrote: >Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have had >to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are useless >here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. > >ciao >Carl > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > >Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun >control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates >like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be >considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's >sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally >bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. > > Please consider these points: >1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is >not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the >European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) >all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature >when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) > >2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the >right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with >being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The >argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way >- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance >to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other dictator.) > >3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police >forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), >and handguns and rifles are totally banned. > >The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city >(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of >the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of >Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, >that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much >more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete >Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most >violent society on the planet! > >Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we >end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), >whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because >he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was >proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a >strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed >to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. >Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found >a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. >Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the >excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has >nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and >rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? >An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is dead! > >Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single >accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally >unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm >ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a >massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite >this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the >number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the >population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would >argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the >Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever >behind before you come... > >Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 09:35:15 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 08:35:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors References: <01C24FFC.88024C00.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D6F8DEC.917A7A9D@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D71C333.2060604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I got a substantial improvement in sound quality when I installed an upgrade kit of capacitors (a mix of Jensen paper-in-oils and Black Gate electrolytics) into my built-from-kit 300B power amps. Well worth the £50 charged by the manufacturers, World Audio Design. Greater detail, better defined bass, all that stuff. Capacitor upgrades to other equipment is worth investigating if you know what you are doing with electronics and can solder well. My amp is hard-wired using tag-boards, so the changes were very easy. It would be more difficult (and risky) to upgrade a 'modern' printed circuit. I am going to have a go at my Musical Fidelity pre-amp, one of these days.... JohnWalker Ron wrote: >It is not true that 'caps are caps'. Actually, no cap >in the world is pure, constant, capacitance and nothing >else. All real world capacitors also have resistance >and inductance. > >In many (most?) applications, this is negligible. In >some, it is not. For such applications, the knowledgeable >engineer will select capacitors that exhibit less of >these annoying characteristics, even though their price >tends to be disproportionately high. > >For run-of-the-mill audio, just about any capacitor will >do. For high quality audio, where all other aberrations >have already been taken care of, resistance and inductance >can play a role. > >In addition, capacitance of some caps is not a constant, >but varies with applied voltage. This manifests itself as >distortion. Again, in most caps the effect is negligible >for most applications, but justifies careful selection >in critical cases. Tantalum caps are so bad, they are >not usable for coupling any audio signals at all -- the >resulting distortion is that high. > >IOW, one should choose caps based on the application and >balance price vs. required performance. Needless to say, >some high-end aficionados take this to the extreme and >are willing to pay $100 for a cap that has so slight as >to be inaudible advantage over a $1 cap. > >The orange caps do not belong in this discussion. Their >problem is not poor characteristics, but poor >reliability -- they simply go bad. > >-- Ron > > > >Graham Nelson wrote: > > >>I have heard much about caps on this List not least the terrible orange >>ones and how they ought to be replaced by, is it polypro' ones. Now, I am >>no engineer and am guided by what most of you guys say in this respect, but >>an engineer friend of mine reckons the hi fi world's love of these special >>poly' caps' is another addiction to snake oil. Apart from the nasty orange >>one's that cause such a problem in the Naks, he thinks a cap' is a cap' ... >>(and you'll not be surprised that he's just as skeptical about fancy >>interconnects, power cables and a whole host of other hi fi associated >>goodies.) >> >>So, can anyone explain to me, preferably in layman's language, what is the >>big deal about the special cap's?? >> >>Gra' >> >>PS >>Stephen - if you're reading this .... not been able to raise you. How's my >>DATs doing? I miss them! Been gone so long I forget what they look like! >> ;o) >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 10:19:43 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 09:19:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control References: Message-ID: <3D71CD9F.2000007@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Carl Message received, in full. I accept what you say about Europe - we only need to remember Bosnia and Kosovo to realise that Europe has yet to solve its problems. Interestingly, many European nations are now growing heterogenous in the multi-racial sense. Carl C wrote: >I have no intention of becoming a statistic while we achieve a "better >society". We in the United States are a young country still grappling with >social problems. We are far from a "heterogeneous" society such as the >various european countries. How many centuries of warfare in Europe >preceded modern civilized norms? > >I care only for my immediate problem which is to protect me and my family. >Reliance on other people is naive and useless. > >Regards, > >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:17 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > >Carl >I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not >trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take >50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the >alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also >have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the >end of the day. > >Carl C wrote: > > > >>Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have had >>to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are useless >>here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. >> >>ciao >>Carl >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>John Walker >>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control >> >> >>Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun >>control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates >>like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be >>considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's >>sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally >>bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. >> >>Please consider these points: >>1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is >>not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the >>European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) >>all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature >>when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) >> >>2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the >>right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with >>being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The >>argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way >>- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance >>to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other >> >> >dictator.) > > >>3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police >>forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), >>and handguns and rifles are totally banned. >> >>The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city >>(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of >>the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of >>Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, >>that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much >>more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete >>Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most >>violent society on the planet! >> >>Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we >>end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), >>whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because >>he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was >>proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a >>strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed >>to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. >>Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found >>a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. >>Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the >>excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has >>nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and >>rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? >>An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is >> >> >dead! > > >>Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single >>accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally >>unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm >>ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a >>massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite >>this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the >>number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the >>population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would >>argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the >>Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever >>behind before you come... >> >>Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >> >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 10:35:09 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 01:35:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control In-Reply-To: <3D71CD9F.2000007@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: John, It would be good for the various European nations to attend to their own business and not wait for the US/NATO to lead. The Balkan mess is an European issue. I find it rather humourous that the first nation to recognize Croatia and Slovenia, thus precipitating the most recent balkan wars, was Germany. Hey, were these not allies of Germany in WWII? And, my thought is that the USA war in Yugoslavia was to remind Germany that WE remain in charge and Germany is our vassal. Comment? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control Carl Message received, in full. I accept what you say about Europe - we only need to remember Bosnia and Kosovo to realise that Europe has yet to solve its problems. Interestingly, many European nations are now growing heterogenous in the multi-racial sense. Carl C wrote: >I have no intention of becoming a statistic while we achieve a "better >society". We in the United States are a young country still grappling with >social problems. We are far from a "heterogeneous" society such as the >various european countries. How many centuries of warfare in Europe >preceded modern civilized norms? > >I care only for my immediate problem which is to protect me and my family. >Reliance on other people is naive and useless. > >Regards, > >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:17 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > >Carl >I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not >trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take >50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the >alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also >have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the >end of the day. > >Carl C wrote: > > > >>Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have had >>to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are useless >>here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. >> >>ciao >>Carl >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>John Walker >>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control >> >> >>Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun >>control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates >>like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be >>considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's >>sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally >>bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. >> >>Please consider these points: >>1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is >>not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the >>European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) >>all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature >>when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) >> >>2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the >>right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with >>being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The >>argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way >>- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance >>to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other >> >> >dictator.) > > >>3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police >>forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), >>and handguns and rifles are totally banned. >> >>The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city >>(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of >>the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of >>Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, >>that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much >>more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete >>Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most >>violent society on the planet! >> >>Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we >>end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), >>whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because >>he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was >>proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a >>strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed >>to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. >>Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found >>a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. >>Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the >>excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has >>nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and >>rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? >>An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is >> >> >dead! > > >>Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single >>accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally >>unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm >>ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a >>massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite >>this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the >>number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the >>population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would >>argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the >>Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever >>behind before you come... >> >>Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? >> >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> >> >= > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> >> >= > > >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> >> >======== > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ = >> >> >======== > > >> >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 10:48:51 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 09:48:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control References: Message-ID: <3D71D473.8030909@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> OK, that's enough. I'm out of here. Carl C wrote: >John, >It would be good for the various European nations to attend to their own >business and not wait for the US/NATO to lead. The Balkan mess is an >European issue. I find it rather humourous that the first nation to >recognize Croatia and Slovenia, thus precipitating the most recent balkan >wars, was Germany. Hey, were these not allies of Germany in WWII? And, my >thought is that the USA war in Yugoslavia was to remind Germany that WE >remain in charge and Germany is our vassal. > >Comment? > >Regards, > >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:20 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > >Carl >Message received, in full. I accept what you say about Europe - we only >need to remember Bosnia and Kosovo to realise that Europe has yet to >solve its problems. Interestingly, many European nations are now growing >heterogenous in the multi-racial sense. > >Carl C wrote: > > > >>I have no intention of becoming a statistic while we achieve a "better >>society". We in the United States are a young country still grappling with >>social problems. We are far from a "heterogeneous" society such as the >>various european countries. How many centuries of warfare in Europe >>preceded modern civilized norms? >> >>I care only for my immediate problem which is to protect me and my family. >>Reliance on other people is naive and useless. >> >>Regards, >> >>Carl >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>John Walker >>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:17 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control >> >> >>Carl >>I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not >>trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take >>50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the >>alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also >>have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the >>end of the day. >> >>Carl C wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have >>> >>> >had > > >>>to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are >>> >>> >useless > > >>>here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. >>> >>>ciao >>>Carl >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>>John Walker >>>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control >>> >>> >>>Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun >>>control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates >>>like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be >>>considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's >>>sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally >>>bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. >>> >>>Please consider these points: >>>1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is >>>not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the >>>European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) >>>all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature >>>when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) >>> >>>2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the >>>right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with >>>being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The >>>argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way >>>- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance >>>to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other >>> >>> >>> >>> >>dictator.) >> >> >> >> >>>3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police >>>forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), >>>and handguns and rifles are totally banned. >>> >>>The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city >>>(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of >>>the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of >>>Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, >>>that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much >>>more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete >>>Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most >>>violent society on the planet! >>> >>>Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we >>>end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), >>>whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because >>>he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was >>>proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a >>>strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed >>>to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. >>>Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found >>>a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. >>>Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the >>>excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has >>>nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and >>>rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? >>>An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is >>> >>> >>> >>> >>dead! >> >> >> >> >>>Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single >>>accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally >>>unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm >>>ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a >>>massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite >>>this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the >>>number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the >>>population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would >>>argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the >>>Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever >>>behind before you come... >>> >>>Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? >>> >>> >>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >= > > >>> >>> >>= >> >> >> >> >>>======= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >= > > >>> >>> >>= >> >> >> >> >>>======= >>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >= > > >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >> >> >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >>> >>> >>resource. >> >> >> >> >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >= > > >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >> >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 1 12:24:29 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:24:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Gun control References: Message-ID: <002e01c251a1$c18ca640$8beb3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:35 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > John, > It would be good for the various European nations to attend to their own > business and not wait for the US/NATO to lead. That would be great if Europe wasn't part of NATO. It would also be a wonderful thought if the europeans didn't have to bail out the americans when the US supports leaders like Sadam who go on to invade Kuwait. The Balkan mess is an > European issue. I find it rather humourous that the first nation to > recognize Croatia and Slovenia, thus precipitating the most recent balkan > wars, was Germany. And I suppose that the USA is completely pure in the world of foreign affairs has never trained, financially aided and covered up for any murderous regimes in chile, columbia, iran, iraq, afganistan, salvador, nicaragua, egypt, Saudi Arabia, spain, haiti. Never looked the other way when a leader uses weapons on its own people (iraq, afganistan to start) ignored mass slaughter in the third world (rwanda, Sierra Leone) and it has never held a small caribean country hostage because of a few republican cubans who live in miami. >Hey, were these not allies of Germany in WWII? And I guess, Sadam Hussein, and Osama Bin Laden were never allies of the USA. >And, my > thought is that the USA war in Yugoslavia was to remind Germany that WE > remain in charge and Germany is our vassal. And America wonders why the world hates them so much. The USA is in charge of nothing other than being the richest country with the most dangerous toys. Warren ----========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 1 12:32:44 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:32:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) Message-ID: <01C251AB.5EEC5800.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> I agree Carl, it does make you wonder why the US Govnt involves itself so much in other countries business ... Europe, the Middle East, etc.. I mean, it's not as if Europe or esp. the Middle East countries want them to, as a few terrorists made very clear last year. May be it's something to do with the idea of successive presidents that the US can be the policemen of the World, which is rather ironic given what you were saying about the country's inability to police itself domestically. I mean, if as Javier was saying, it's necessary to carry guns given the risk of "the world's greatest democracy" becoming totalitarian (which it already has according to the likes of Timothy McVee) why should the rest of the World trust the US to carry a nuclear weapons arsenal any more than India, Iraq or Pakistan? (Javier's argument for gun's is, of course, the very same that the likes of Iraq uses to justify their developments of their nuclear weapons - so they don't have to be feudal peasants who must bow to the "guns" of US, Russian, French or British colonialist masters ... ) Of course, the US interest in the UK post WW2 is obvious .... as one USAF general put it, we're your "unsinkable aircraft carrier". How the Brit's laughed to hear that - right warmed the cockles of our hearts ... knowing there'll never be another "Pearl Harbour" ... an attack on Mildenhall or Lakenheath in the UK, perhaps, but not on Pearl. These politicians would be so much better, and so would we all, if everyone forgot about weapons and played with Nakamichi's instead ... 'cept Bush probably wouldn't want Saddam to have a Nak. "Hell, Pa! The CIA reckons the SOB's got a Makanichi BX-1 and they reckon he's probably developing a super CR7 - I'll launch the Tomahawks..." "That's my boy!" "By the way, Pa - what is a Makanichi?" "Hell if I know, son - ask Colin Powell." "I already did - he said all I needed to know was that Bill Clinton had one...." "Well, hurry up with those Tomahawks, Junior, and have one stray a little and come down on Clintonville ... just to make sure of the next election." "Pa, won't that be "murder"?" "Hell, no son! We'd call that 'collateral damage' or 'friendly fire' and that makes it perfectly legal." "Oh ..." (Thinks) "Pa - was that collateral damage or friendly fire when we helped the Brits kill 13,000 civilians one night in Dresden during WW2?" "George Junior! Mama and I told you not to read those history books! Education will corrupt your mind and make you go blind! Burn them immediately!" (Sigh...) "Yes Pa ...." (Sorry guys ... it just kinda ... came out!) ;o[) Grinham -----Original Message----- From: Carl C [SMTP:c123666 at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:35 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Gun control John, It would be good for the various European nations to attend to their own business and not wait for the US/NATO to lead. The Balkan mess is an European issue. I find it rather humourous that the first nation to recognize Croatia and Slovenia, thus precipitating the most recent balkan wars, was Germany. Hey, were these not allies of Germany in WWII? And, my thought is that the USA war in Yugoslavia was to remind Germany that WE remain in charge and Germany is our vassal. Comment? Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:20 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control Carl Message received, in full. I accept what you say about Europe - we only need to remember Bosnia and Kosovo to realise that Europe has yet to solve its problems. Interestingly, many European nations are now growing heterogenous in the multi-racial sense. Carl C wrote: >I have no intention of becoming a statistic while we achieve a "better >society". We in the United States are a young country still grappling with >social problems. We are far from a "heterogeneous" society such as the >various european countries. How many centuries of warfare in Europe >preceded modern civilized norms? > >I care only for my immediate problem which is to protect me and my family. >Reliance on other people is naive and useless. > >Regards, > >Carl > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:17 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > >Carl >I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not >trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take >50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the >alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also >have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the >end of the day. > >Carl C wrote: > > > >>Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have had >>to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are useless >>here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. >> >>ciao >>Carl >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>John Walker >>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control >> >> >>Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun >>control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates >>like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be >>considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's >>sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally >>bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. >> >>Please consider these points: >>1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is >>not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the >>European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) >>all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature >>when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) >> >>2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the >>right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with >>being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The >>argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way >>- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance >>to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other >> >> >dictator.) > > >>3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police >>forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), >>and handguns and rifles are totally banned. >> >>The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city >>(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of >>the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of >>Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, >>that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much >>more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete >>Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most >>violent society on the planet! >> >>Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we >>end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), >>whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because >>he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was >>proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a >>strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed >>to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. >>Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found >>a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. >>Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the >>excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has >>nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and >>rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? >>An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is >> >> >dead! > > >>Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single >>accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally >>unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm >>ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a >>massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite >>this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the >>number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the >>population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would >>argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the >>Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever >>behind before you come... >> >>Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? >> >> >> >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ---- = >> >> >= > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ---- = >> >> >= > > >>======= >> >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ---- = >> >> >======== > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- ---- = >> >> >======== > > >> >> >> >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---= = >======= > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========--------------------------------------------------------------- ---= ======== > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 1 12:59:08 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 06:59:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <20020830052522.42192.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01c251a6$987dd6c0$8beb3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gun control > > This is typical NRA bullshit nobody in the USA is > > using their guns > > to protect themselves from the government. nor is > > their any advantage > > having arms just ask the south during the civil war. > > Warren The idea is that people must retain their > weapons in case the government should decide to > start restricting liberties to the point where it > becomes unbearable. It is of course largely symbolic > since a well organized 50 man team could easily > establish control over a community of 10000 equally > armed but unorganized citizens. However, the symbolism > is important and traditions must be respected. Well I understand that. if traditions must be respected perhaps we should bring back slavery and some other old time american traditions. Also this would make a little more sense if the gun problem weren't so recent. It has only been since the late sixties that gun ownership has exploded from a few million guns to something like 400 or 500 million. The gun > to many Americans is like the Igloo to the Eskimo. Try > banning or regulating those and I gaurantee you a lot > of angry Eskimos (with high powered rifles). First of all they are Inuit not Eskimo's if you want to see an angry Inuit call him an eskimo. And last time I lived in the north (fairbanks and Nome) they lived in houses just like everyone else up there. The idea that gun ownership is the best way of preventing > criminality is a good one. The idea that owning a gun in anyway protects you from crime is totaly false. If what you state were true america would have the lowest crime rate in the world not the highest. but a strategic disaster for > the NRA which formed alliances with law enforcement > and forgot about the other angles. Law enforcem,ent > soon discovered that having a monopoly on guns was > better than an alliance with the NRA. > For example the NRA didn't exploit the fact that gun > laws are the most racist laws in exsistence. Guns laws are the most racist in existance where the hel did you come up with that thought. Almost > without exception they pop up wherever there is a > large concentration of black folks to the point that > they remind me of the old Jim Crow laws. Which gun laws would remind you of the Jim Crow laws the three day waiting period or the background check? or is it the restrictions on silencers and machine guns? Gun laws > infact are tailor made to keep the guns out of the > hands of certain people while avoiding others. > As for the safety issue, I compare it to speed limits. > The Gerrmans have no speed limiton their Autobahns and > they didn't have high accident rates by comparison > with the US. And you know this how? are you aware that they have TV shows in germany that show all the accidents on the autobahns. Now if we were to suddenly lift all speed > limits on all major highways there would be a dramatic > increase in the accident rate but after a few months > it would drop back to near pre-speed limit levels. You do know that they did this in Montana with no increase in the accident rate. You do know that as the speed limits have increased from 55mph to 70mph there has been no increase in the accident rate. The > thrill of speed would loose much of it's luster now > that anyone can do it. Similarly if all gun ownership > restrictions were lifted there would be an initial > increase in gun violence but it would also drop off > after people realized that they are living in a > society where the man with the gun is no longer king. This is analogy for which I can't even comment first of all there are no strong enforced gun laws in the USA all you have to do is visit a gun show to see that. > It's sort of like having a rifle in the army after a > few hours of holding it, playing with it and shooting > it you soon realize that it makes you no different > from anyone else there and you look at it the way a > mechanic looks at his socket set. The magic and the > rush are gone. Gun ownership also makes a man far more > civic minded. The ability to effect change by force in > his community gives him a stake in it that he can't > have in a gun controlled area. Bullshit are you saying one has to own something that can kill before he can understand his responsibility? Sort of like every man > his own policeman. It also does make people far more > reserved about what they say to other people. So if people who own guns don;t shoot people then its the unarmed masses throwing bullets at each other? > As for the south in the civil war they were able to > put up quite a fight with those guns to the point that > they can still claim to have produced the best General > in the country's history. The south can claim all it wants but usually the best generals are not on the losing team. But since both sides had no > gun control in those days it's a non-issue. > > > > > The taliban did not and have never created a gun > > free society > > Warren > > > > No initially the Taliban were praised by governments > the world over and by that incredible institution up > in the sky the UN for their ability to collect guns > from the population for the first time in history. Actually I think the taliban were praised for getting rid of opium by the USA which is why the USA was the largest source of foreign aid to the taliban. No > one in Taliban controlled territory other than the > Taliban and their non-drinking buddies Al-Qaeda were > allowed to keep arms of any kind, not even short arms > or bolt action rifles for personal protection. If an > Afgan was getting mugged for his horse he had gleeful > recourse to the law and that's it. > It gets me thinking, if they'de left those people > armed and concentrated on building support among them > instead perhaps they would still be in power! Which people in afganistan do you want to be armed? The average afgany was more likely to be killed by a landmine than being mugged but we wont go into landmines here. > > Javier > > PS > Stalin, Hitler and Mao DID institute massive gun > control programs as did that great hero of American > socialism FDR. :) Hitler did not institute massive gun control. In 1928 the weimar republic tried to invoke laws to keep guns out of the hands of groups like the nazi's (it failed obviously) Hitler quietly reinstated the laws in 1938 long after he was in power. Stalin, Hitler and Mao did not create their various horrors by writ of any gun laws. to state otherwise is false. No one and I repeat no one in the USA is trying to ban guns completely all they want are restrictions on the sale of machine guns, sub machine guns and those weapons that are easily converted to automatic use. The sale of kits to make silencers, the sale of high capacity clips and finally licencing of all weapons. Why getting a licence to own a gun which is capable of killing someone is such a burden when we licence drivers, cars and dogs is beyond me. warren ps could you explain how NZ, Australia, Canada, France, England and germany are all feudal societies living in fear of their respective governments. Thanks ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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References: <20020829232603.98122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> <3D6EB7CE.957C2B09@rcn.com> <000d01c24fdd$d6fdf710$3db5b742@pii366custom> <000e01c24fe8$52071cc0$a91a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <00e701c251af$28aabd00$8beb3fd0@oemcomputer> its a theta maybe the data 2 transport or the pearl player hard to tell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI!!! > > LOL Roland !!! > > We still have an opportunity to get that huge cd player right beneath the > deck ... he might put a buy it now for $75 soon =) Can anyone tell what > make / brand the cdp is ? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roland Alford > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 11:29 AM > Subject: [naktalk] NAKAMICHI!!! > > > You guys were so busy talking about guns, look what we missed! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1377278736 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sun Sep 1 14:01:07 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:01:07 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors In-Reply-To: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <15667.020901@mtu-net.ru> Hello Graham, As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no "sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is NO CAP. Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - more differencies between tubes. Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes sounds much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and more technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before 1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are expensive, but no alternatives. Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT ADVERTISEMENT!) http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. пятница, 30 августа 2002 г., you wrote to me: GN> Vladimir GN> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say GN> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I GN> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era GN> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is GN> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the GN> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a GN> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. GN> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified GN> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to GN> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube GN> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least GN> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning GN> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great GN> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a GN> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could GN> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself GN> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks GN> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to GN> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? GN> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be GN> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... GN> Gra' GN> -----Original Message----- GN> From: Vladimir [SMTP:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] GN> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:07 PM GN> To: Graham Nelson GN> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors GN> --- GN> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 GN> << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1251 >> GN> --- GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sun Sep 1 15:36:51 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:36:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) References: <01C251AB.5EEC5800.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <004e01c251bc$a1711740$9b2f2ac4@CopyTech> Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML please ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 5:32 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) > > "Hell, Pa! The CIA reckons the SOB's got a Makanichi BX-1 and they reckon > he's probably developing a super CR7 - I'll launch the Tomahawks..." > "That's my boy!" > "By the way, Pa - what is a Makanichi?" > "Hell if I know, son - ask Colin Powell." > "I already did - he said all I needed to know was that Bill Clinton had > one...." > "Well, hurry up with those Tomahawks, Junior, and have one stray a little > and come down on Clintonville ... just to make sure of the next election." > "Pa, won't that be "murder"?" > "Hell, no son! We'd call that 'collateral damage' or 'friendly fire' and > that makes it perfectly legal." > "Oh ..." (Thinks) "Pa - was that collateral damage or friendly fire when > we helped the Brits kill 13,000 civilians one night in Dresden during WW2?" > "George Junior! Mama and I told you not to read those history books! > Education will corrupt your mind and make you go blind! Burn them > immediately!" > (Sigh...) "Yes Pa ...." > > (Sorry guys ... it just kinda ... came out!) > > ;o[) Grinham > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl C [SMTP:c123666 at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:35 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > John, > It would be good for the various European nations to attend to their own > business and not wait for the US/NATO to lead. The Balkan mess is an > European issue. I find it rather humourous that the first nation to > recognize Croatia and Slovenia, thus precipitating the most recent balkan > wars, was Germany. Hey, were these not allies of Germany in WWII? And, my > thought is that the USA war in Yugoslavia was to remind Germany that WE > remain in charge and Germany is our vassal. > > Comment? > > Regards, > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 1:20 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > > Carl > Message received, in full. I accept what you say about Europe - we only > need to remember Bosnia and Kosovo to realise that Europe has yet to > solve its problems. Interestingly, many European nations are now growing > heterogenous in the multi-racial sense. > > Carl C wrote: > > >I have no intention of becoming a statistic while we achieve a "better > >society". We in the United States are a young country still grappling > with > >social problems. We are far from a "heterogeneous" society such as the > >various european countries. How many centuries of warfare in Europe > >preceded modern civilized norms? > > > >I care only for my immediate problem which is to protect me and my family. > >Reliance on other people is naive and useless. > > > >Regards, > > > >Carl > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >John Walker > >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:17 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > > > > > >Carl > >I appreciate that the problem cannot be solved over night, and I was not > >trying to suggest that I, or anyone else, could. It will probably take > >50 years to eradicate the gun from US society. I felt strongly that the > >alternative voice needed to be heard, that is all. We in the UK also > >have problems with unresponsive police - it comes down to money at the > >end of the day. > > > >Carl C wrote: > > > > > > > >>Come live in Oakland, California and you will change your tune. I have > had > >>to brandish my weapon when threatened with my life. The police are > useless > >>here unless you want a referral to a coffee/donut shop. > >> > >>ciao > >>Carl > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>John Walker > >>Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:37 AM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] Re: Gun control > >> > >> > >>Hey guys, I have just got back from vacation to find that the gun > >>control debate has infected Naktalk. I normally avoid political debates > >>like this, but I feel that the rest of the world's view needs to be > >>considered by the mainly US protagonists of this discussion. Ole Jim's > >>sign-off about "armed=polite" has always struck me as being totally > >>bizarre, but I have resisted the temptation to respond up till now. > >> > >>Please consider these points: > >>1. Contrary to what has been implied in a couple of postings, the US is > >>not the only mature democracy in the world - every country in the > >>European Union, and the rest of the English speaking world (Aus,Can, NZ) > >>all qualify, for example. We could argue that the US only became mature > >>when it repealed its racist segregation laws, for example. (1968?) > >> > >>2 All the rest of us mature democracies get on just fine without 'the > >>right to bear arms'. Indeed, most of us feel that the US obsession with > >>being armed and having 'the right to bear arms' as aberrational. (The > >>argument about dictatorships and weapons is totally specious, by the way > >>- the right of the populace to 'bear arms' would have had no relevance > >>to the success or otherwise of Stalin, Hitler,or Mao,or any other > >> > >> > >dictator.) > > > > > >>3. We English are supposed to be very polite, aren't we? Yet our police > >>forces patrol unarmed (with a very few exceptions, airports being one), > >>and handguns and rifles are totally banned. > >> > >>The prevalent belief over here in the UK is that one US city > >>(Washingon is often cited) has more murders per year than the whole of > >>the UK (yet the UK has a population that is a hundred times that of > >>Washington). Consequently, I believe, as do the vast majority of Brits, > >>that the free access to lethal weapons has made US society much, much > >>more prone to fatal violence. Just read that again, you guys. We effete > >>Europeans consider you free and proud Americans to be about the most > >>violent society on the planet! > >> > >>Most violence in the UK as in other Western nations is domestic - we > >>end up with beatings and stabbings (hopefully followed by a divorce), > >>whereas in the US the unlucky partner is not given that option because > >>he or she is dead. Another way to look at it:one of the posters was > >>proud of the way the .40 Glock got rid of the unwanted caller. I have a > >>strong suspicion that the presence of the weapon might have contributed > >>to the escalation from simple domestic problem to near fatal incident. > >>Because I don't have a gun, and nor does anyone else, I would have found > >>a totally different way to deal with the situation that was described. > >>Also consider: pointing a gun could have given the guy at the door the > >>excuse that he needed, and once he had fired one shot, well he now has > >>nothing to lose, so he might as well take the rest of your family and > >>rob the house at his leisure. Christ, what kind of way to live is that? > >>An armed society is one that won't back down until some poor sucker is > >> > >> > >dead! > > > > > >>Then there was the stuff about accidental shootings. A single > >>accidental shooting, or a shooting involving children is totally > >>unacceptable - forget all the arguing over 11 or 11000. Firearm > >>ownership in the US sense is now outlawed in the UK, following a > >>massacre of schoolkids, (another great American invention?). Despite > >>this, gun-related crime is on the increase in the UK. Nevertheless, the > >>number of incidents is very small, and there is no clamour to arm the > >>population every time that a drug-related shooting happens. So, I would > >>argue that the gun free Utopia does exist on the other side of the > >>Atlantic. But leave the Glock, or the Sig-Sauer,or Colt or whatever > >>behind before you come... > >> > >>Now can we get back to the main subject of this site? > >> > >> > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > = > >> > >> > >= > > > > > >>======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > = > >> > >> > >= > > > > > >>======= > >> > >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > = > >> > >> > >======== > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========-------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > = > >> > >> > >======== > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---= > = > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---= > = > >======= > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========--------------------------------------------------------------- > ---= > ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --== > ======= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Sep 1 15:43:02 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:43:02 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <15667.020901@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <005b01c251bd$7e7daef0$9b2f2ac4@CopyTech> Impressive elegance, Vladimir. Looks a little bit like my italian Unison Research Mistery One pre amp. Nice wood working. Can you get these vintage tubes ? Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir" To: "Graham Nelson" Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors > Hello Graham, > > As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also > nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can > I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they > are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also > very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than > original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I > feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What > about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to > get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in > anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound > signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at > high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no > "sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply > are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply > may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is > NO CAP. > Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with > various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal > capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio > Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), > Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean > sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so > my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type > resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should > not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use > for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good > results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. > > But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various > manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - > more differencies between tubes. > Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from > Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes sounds > much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and more > technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before > 1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. > If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd > better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are > expensive, but no alternatives. > > Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. > > look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT > ADVERTISEMENT!) > http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm > > Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. > > > пятница, 30 августа 2002 г., you wrote to me: > > GN> Vladimir > > GN> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say > GN> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I > GN> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era > GN> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is > GN> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the > GN> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a > GN> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. > GN> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified > GN> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to > GN> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube > GN> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least > GN> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning > GN> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great > GN> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a > GN> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could > GN> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself > GN> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks > GN> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to > GN> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? > > GN> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be > GN> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... > > GN> Gra' > > > GN> -----Original Message----- > GN> From: Vladimir [SMTP:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] > GN> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:07 PM > GN> To: Graham Nelson > GN> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors > > > GN> --- > GN> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > GN> << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1251 >> > > GN> --- > GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 15:39:29 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:39:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk]back ON topic References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <15667.020901@mtu-net.ru> <005b01c251bd$7e7daef0$9b2f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D721891.2050403@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Graham Thank you for an opportunity to talk about audio for a change, even if there is little direct relevance to Nakamichi equpment. *Components* For NOS tubes, there are several sources in the UK. A list appears on p102 of this month's Hi-Fi World: Wilson Valves, 01484 654650,or Watford Valves,01923 893270, or Chelmer Valve Company, 01245 241301. There are a couple more listed in the magazine. You can get the specialist caps from Audio Note, http://www.audionote.co.uk/ *Tools* I buy from RadioSpares http://rswww.com, with whom I have an account. You could also look at Maplin's, http://www.maplin.co.uk/. You will need solder(I use Tin/Lead/Silver solder,RS stock no 551-685), a de-soldering pump, some pliers etc. See the SoundOnSound article for a full list. In my experience, it is worth spending extra on a temperature controlled iron, but this will set you back about ?80. I have also invested in a butane powered iron for large joints such as the speaker binding posts on my power-amps. *Technique* The September issue of SoundOnSound magazine has an excellent feature on the basic tools and on soldering. Hi-Fi World also mentioned a good site for learning the essential skill of soldering: http://home.att.net/%7Ejoemacjr/diyproject/soldering.html This actually contains animations! (Heavy on image, light on content, IOW) *Help* It is always useful to know where the lifebelts or fire exits are! Your Eico amp sounds like an excellent project. If there is anything else I can do to help, give me a shout! Of more practical use, here is a list of companies that may be able to help you out, for a price: http://www.radiocraft.co.uk/directory/repairservicesradioandtv.htmI believe that Audio Laboratories of Leeds has a fantastic reputation, but I have never actually used them. I have, however, used Colin Boggis of Radio Renaissance to renovate a Leak tuner - but Colin specialises in radio. Very reasonable and thorough - you could always ask him! John Walker, failed diplomat Portland UK El Magnifico wrote: >Impressive elegance, Vladimir. Looks a little bit like my italian Unison >Research Mistery One pre amp. Nice wood working. Can you get these vintage >tubes ? > >Best, > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Vladimir" >To: "Graham Nelson" >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:01 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors > > > > >>Hello Graham, >> >>As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also >>nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can >>I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they >>are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also >>very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than >>original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I >>feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What >>about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to >>get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in >>anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound >>signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at >>high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no >>"sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply >>are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply >>may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is >>NO CAP. >>Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with >>various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal >>capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio >>Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), >>Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean >>sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so >>my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type >>resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should >>not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use >>for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good >>results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. >> >>But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various >>manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - >>more differencies between tubes. >>Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from >>Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes >> >> >sounds > > >>much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and >> >> >more > > >>technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before >>1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. >>If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd >>better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are >>expensive, but no alternatives. >> >>Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. >> >>look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT >>ADVERTISEMENT!) >>http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm >> >>Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. >> >> >>пятница, 30 августа 2002 г., you wrote to me: >> >>GN> Vladimir >> >>GN> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you >> >> >say > > >>GN> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. >> >> >I > > >>GN> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design >> >> >and era > > >>GN> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the >> >> >Eico is > > >>GN> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as >> >> >the > > >>GN> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am >> >> >a > > >>GN> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio >> >> >equipment. > > >>GN> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, >> >> >modified > > >>GN> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be >> >> >possible to > > >>GN> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding >> >> >tube > > >>GN> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least >>GN> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am >> >> >reasoning > > >>GN> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a >> >> >great > > >>GN> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a >>GN> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this >> >> >could > > >>GN> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give >> >> >myself > > >>GN> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my >> >> >bucks > > >>GN> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as >> >> >to > > >>GN> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? >> >>GN> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might >> >> >be > > >>GN> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me >> >> >so ... > > >>GN> Gra' >> >> >>GN> -----Original Message----- >>GN> From: Vladimir [SMTP:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] >>GN> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:07 PM >>GN> To: Graham Nelson >>GN> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors >> >> >>GN> --- >>GN> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >>GN> << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1251 >> >> >>GN> --- >>GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >> >> >>GN> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> >> >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >>GN> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> >> >>Best regards, >> Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru >> >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 1 15:57:58 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:57:58 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos Message-ID: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Carlos It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a whisky not a whiskey! ;o) -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML please ... Carlos --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sun Sep 1 15:57:55 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 17:57:55 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors In-Reply-To: <005b01c251bd$7e7daef0$9b2f2ac4@CopyTech> References: <005b01c251bd$7e7daef0$9b2f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3748.020901@mtu-net.ru> Hello El, We make amps only by special order in a very limited quantity and, sorry, don't sell tubes. We buy tubes here, in Russia, in US, Sweden, Canada and elswhere we find them. Check ebay auctions (ebay.de also), sometimes, very rare tubes can be bought there. NOS tubes are not for mass production, they are only for private use. They are expensive, but no alternatives exist. Regards, Vladimir. воскресенье, 1 сентября 2002 г., you wrote to me: EM> Impressive elegance, Vladimir. Looks a little bit like my italian Unison EM> Research Mistery One pre amp. Nice wood working. Can you get these vintage EM> tubes ? EM> Best, EM> Carlos EM> ----- Original Message ----- EM> From: "Vladimir" EM> To: "Graham Nelson" EM> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 7:01 AM EM> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors >> Hello Graham, >> >> As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also >> nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can >> I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they >> are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also >> very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than >> original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I >> feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What >> about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to >> get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in >> anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound >> signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at >> high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no >> "sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply >> are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply >> may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is >> NO CAP. >> Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with >> various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal >> capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio >> Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), >> Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean >> sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so >> my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type >> resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should >> not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use >> for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good >> results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. >> >> But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various >> manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - >> more differencies between tubes. >> Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from >> Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes EM> sounds >> much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and EM> more >> technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before >> 1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. >> If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd >> better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are >> expensive, but no alternatives. >> >> Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. >> >> look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT >> ADVERTISEMENT!) >> http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm >> >> Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. >> >> >> пятница, 30 августа 2002 г., you wrote to me: >> >> GN> Vladimir >> >> GN> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you EM> say >> GN> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. EM> I >> GN> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design EM> and era >> GN> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the EM> Eico is >> GN> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as EM> the >> GN> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am EM> a >> GN> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio EM> equipment. >> GN> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, EM> modified >> GN> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be EM> possible to >> GN> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding EM> tube >> GN> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least >> GN> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am EM> reasoning >> GN> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a EM> great >> GN> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a >> GN> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this EM> could >> GN> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give EM> myself >> GN> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my EM> bucks >> GN> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as EM> to >> GN> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? >> >> GN> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might EM> be >> GN> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me EM> so ... >> >> GN> Gra' >> >> >> GN> -----Original Message----- >> GN> From: Vladimir [SMTP:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] >> GN> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:07 PM >> GN> To: Graham Nelson >> GN> Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: Capacitors >> >> >> GN> --- >> GN> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >> GN> << File: ATT00001.txt; charset = Windows-1251 >> >> >> GN> --- >> GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> GN> Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >> >> >> GN> EM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== EM> ======= >> GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck EM> resource. >> GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK EM> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> GN> EM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== EM> ======= >> >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru >> >> >> EM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== EM> ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck EM> resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> EM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== EM> ======= >> >> EM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= EM> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. EM> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html EM> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 16:08:16 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 15:08:16 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D721F50.5060603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> One of my favourites. I also like the amazingly named Bruichladdich, and Glenlivet, and Talisker, and all of 'em really. Johnnie Walker (well I had to, with a name like that) Graham Nelson wrote: >Carlos > >It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > >-----Original Message----- >From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) > >Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML >please ... > >Carlos > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sun Sep 1 16:55:56 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:55:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <20020830052522.42192.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> <005c01c251a6$987dd6c0$8beb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <006401c251c7$adad1b20$65756acf@johnnyrotten> Can we get back to "Nakamichi spoken here", please! thank you. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gun control > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:25 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gun control > > > > > This is typical NRA bullshit nobody in the USA is > > > using their guns > > > to protect themselves from the government. nor is > > > their any advantage > > > having arms just ask the south during the civil war. > > > > Warren The idea is that people must retain their > > weapons in case the government should decide to > > start restricting liberties to the point where it > > becomes unbearable. It is of course largely symbolic > > since a well organized 50 man team could easily > > establish control over a community of 10000 equally > > armed but unorganized citizens. However, the symbolism > > is important and traditions must be respected. > Well I understand that. if traditions must be respected perhaps > we should bring back slavery and some other old time american > traditions. Also this would make a little more sense if the gun problem > weren't so recent. It has only been since the late sixties that gun ownership > has exploded from a few million guns to something like 400 or 500 million. > > > The gun > > to many Americans is like the Igloo to the Eskimo. Try > > banning or regulating those and I gaurantee you a lot > > of angry Eskimos (with high powered rifles). > First of all they are Inuit not Eskimo's if you want to see > an angry Inuit call him an eskimo. And last time I lived in the > north (fairbanks and Nome) they lived in houses just like everyone > else up there. > > > > The idea that gun ownership is the best way of preventing > > criminality is a good one. > The idea that owning a gun in anyway protects you from crime is > totaly false. If what you state were true america would have the > lowest crime rate in the world not the highest. > > > but a strategic disaster for > > the NRA which formed alliances with law enforcement > > and forgot about the other angles. Law enforcem,ent > > soon discovered that having a monopoly on guns was > > better than an alliance with the NRA. > > For example the NRA didn't exploit the fact that gun > > laws are the most racist laws in exsistence. > Guns laws are the most racist in existance where the hel > did you come up with that thought. > > > Almost > > without exception they pop up wherever there is a > > large concentration of black folks to the point that > > they remind me of the old Jim Crow laws. > Which gun laws would remind you of the Jim Crow laws > the three day waiting period or the background check? or > is it the restrictions on silencers and machine guns? > > Gun laws > > infact are tailor made to keep the guns out of the > > hands of certain people while avoiding others. > > As for the safety issue, I compare it to speed limits. > > The Gerrmans have no speed limiton their Autobahns and > > they didn't have high accident rates by comparison > > with the US. > And you know this how? are you aware that they have TV shows > in germany that show all the accidents on the autobahns. > > Now if we were to suddenly lift all speed > > limits on all major highways there would be a dramatic > > increase in the accident rate but after a few months > > it would drop back to near pre-speed limit levels. > You do know that they did this in Montana with no increase in > the accident rate. You do know that as the speed limits have increased > from 55mph to 70mph there has been no increase in the accident rate. > > The > > thrill of speed would loose much of it's luster now > > that anyone can do it. > Similarly if all gun ownership > > restrictions were lifted there would be an initial > > increase in gun violence but it would also drop off > > after people realized that they are living in a > > society where the man with the gun is no longer king. > > This is analogy for which I can't even comment first of all > there are no strong enforced gun laws in the USA all you have > to do is visit a gun show to see that. > > > It's sort of like having a rifle in the army after a > > few hours of holding it, playing with it and shooting > > it you soon realize that it makes you no different > > from anyone else there and you look at it the way a > > mechanic looks at his socket set. The magic and the > > rush are gone. > Gun ownership also makes a man far more > > civic minded. The ability to effect change by force in > > his community gives him a stake in it that he can't > > have in a gun controlled area. > > Bullshit are you saying one has to own something that can kill > before he can understand his responsibility? > Sort of like every man > > his own policeman. It also does make people far more > > reserved about what they say to other people. > So if people who own guns don;t shoot people then its the > unarmed masses throwing bullets at each other? > > > As for the south in the civil war they were able to > > put up quite a fight with those guns to the point that > > they can still claim to have produced the best General > > in the country's history. > The south can claim all it wants but usually the best generals > are not on the losing team. > > > But since both sides had no > > gun control in those days it's a non-issue. > > > > > > > > > The taliban did not and have never created a gun > > > free society > > > Warren > > > > > > > No initially the Taliban were praised by governments > > the world over and by that incredible institution up > > in the sky the UN for their ability to collect guns > > from the population for the first time in history. > Actually I think the taliban were praised for getting rid of > opium by the USA which is why the USA was the > largest source of foreign aid to the taliban. > > No > > one in Taliban controlled territory other than the > > Taliban and their non-drinking buddies Al-Qaeda were > > allowed to keep arms of any kind, not even short arms > > or bolt action rifles for personal protection. If an > > Afgan was getting mugged for his horse he had gleeful > > recourse to the law and that's it. > > It gets me thinking, if they'de left those people > > armed and concentrated on building support among them > > instead perhaps they would still be in power! > Which people in afganistan do you want to be armed? The average > afgany was more likely to be killed by a landmine than being mugged > but we wont go into landmines here. > > > > Javier > > > > PS > > Stalin, Hitler and Mao DID institute massive gun > > control programs as did that great hero of American > > socialism FDR. :) > Hitler did not institute massive gun control. In 1928 the weimar republic > tried to invoke laws to keep guns out of the hands of groups like the nazi's > (it failed obviously) Hitler quietly reinstated the laws in 1938 long after he was in > power. Stalin, Hitler and Mao did not create their various horrors by writ of any > gun laws. to state otherwise is false. > > No one and I repeat no one in the USA is trying to ban guns completely > all they want are restrictions on the sale of machine guns, sub machine guns and > those weapons that are easily converted to automatic use. The sale of kits to > make silencers, the sale of high capacity clips and finally licencing of all weapons. > Why getting a licence to own a gun which is capable of killing someone is such a > burden when we licence drivers, cars and dogs is beyond me. > warren > ps could you explain how NZ, Australia, Canada, France, England and germany > are all feudal societies living in fear of their respective governments. > Thanks > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From timb at hunterlab.com Sun Sep 1 17:07:13 2002 From: timb at hunterlab.com (timb at hunterlab.com) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 11:07:13 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos In-Reply-To: <3D721F50.5060603@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D71F4E1.22825.26D4D1@localhost> Ah, single malts. A civilized subject, don't you think? I haven't come across a 'Bruichladdich' yet, but will look for it. On 1 Sep 2002 at 15:08, John Walker wrote: > One of my favourites. I also like the amazingly named Bruichladdich, and > Glenlivet, and Talisker, and all of 'em really. > > Johnnie Walker (well I had to, with a name like that) > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >Carlos > > > >It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) > > > >Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML > >please ... > > > >Carlos > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at attbi.com Sun Sep 1 17:09:31 2002 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 11:09:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying Message-ID: <3D722DAB.7060208@attbi.com> After a near 15 year hiatus from vinyl I started buying LPs about 2 years ago.... I find Red Trumpet fair priced with new vinyl and very knowledgeable about music in general.They are very nice people to deal with and have a number of used LPs available. Euclid.com has a great selection of used LPs especially JAZZ and they grade their vinyl well with fair prices.. both of these sources have fine web sites ... the best source for inexpensive vinyl, if you have the time to search, is through your local thrift stores ... I find Ebay iffy and there are no steals or deals to be found because of the great number of people perusing the site ... and it seems most Ebay sellers have little knowledge on grading vinyl properly... and often good prices become not so good with the cost of shipping and insurance ... UPS and Fedex offer better shipping prices to companies and that allows their charges to be more fair than single Ebay sellers.... what Ebay offers is a better selection of hard to find used LPs... I also have dealt with Acoustic Sounds and have only good things to say about their selection and especially their people skills demonstrated when ordering over the telephone.... they are pleasant, helpful, and competent.. Bruno ( Arlington , Mass. with a Nak DR-10 and also LX-3 that I have used for the past 17 years .) *************************** >I've been an observer for a couple of years but never a >contributor/critic. The comments about vinyl being dead is far from >wrong and forced me out of the "closet"! While I'm afraid the poor US >economy is going to permanently damage the audiophile/analog industry, >there are a number of e-commerce sites selling more new/used vinyl than >I can ever hope to attain. Go to http://www.redtrumpet.com/main.php or >http://www.acousticsounds.com/ for starters. Email me direct if you >would like some other sources for new/used lps. dr > >-----Original Message----- > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 1 17:34:11 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:34:11 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos Message-ID: <01C251D5.A4D806A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Yes Tim - as civilized as a Nakamichi (to keep this on topic!) and twice as much if you are listening to the dear old Nak at the same time ... except (as I pointed out to John) the Realistic cassette deck begins to sound like a Nak' Dragon after a few drams ... Gra' -----Original Message----- From: timb at hunterlab.com [SMTP:timb at hunterlab.com] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos Ah, single malts. A civilized subject, don't you think? I haven't come across a 'Bruichladdich' yet, but will look for it. On 1 Sep 2002 at 15:08, John Walker wrote: > One of my favourites. I also like the amazingly named Bruichladdich, and > Glenlivet, and Talisker, and all of 'em really. > > Johnnie Walker (well I had to, with a name like that) > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >Carlos > > > >It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a whisky not a whiskey! ;o) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Sun Sep 1 17:48:26 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 08:48:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer Message-ID: I'm wondering if any of my NakTalk buddies possess and/or have experience using the Nakamichi T-100, a portable audio analyzing component manufactured between 1978 and 82. Based on my limited knowledge of the purpose of the T-100, primarily from reading exerpts about the T-100 in my ZX7 users manual, this unit will probably be the next piece of Nak gear I want in my collection. I'd really enjoy learning more about the T-100 before I try to grab one on ebay or another source. Please post replies to NakTalk or directly to me. Best regards, and thanks for NakTalking!!! K.J. Bleus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From p9019 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 1 17:56:59 2002 From: p9019 at yahoo.com (Scott Johnson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 08:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020901155659.11255.qmail@web40408.mail.yahoo.com> I have two T-100's. They are great. I use it to calibrate all the MR-1's I have. After I sell the last one (MR-1 that is) I plan to sell the T-100's as well. Because of their age the switches have a tendency to get noisy. Some contact cleaner and wiggling the knob usually helps cure the problem for a while. 24 MR-1's to go! I started with 107. Scott J. --- The BlueSwapper wrote: > I'm wondering if any of my NakTalk buddies possess > and/or have experience using the Nakamichi T-100, a > portable audio analyzing component manufactured > between 1978 and 82. > > Based on my limited knowledge of the purpose of the > T-100, primarily from reading exerpts about the > T-100 in my ZX7 users manual, this unit will > probably be the next piece of Nak gear I want in my > collection. I'd really enjoy learning more about > the T-100 before I try to grab one on ebay or > another source. Please post replies to NakTalk or > directly to me. > > Best regards, and thanks for NakTalking!!! > > K.J. Bleus > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html > > > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 1 18:05:17 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:05:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] eico References: <001201c251b4$38dc9ae0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <015701c251d1$5d98b9a0$8beb3fd0@oemcomputer> Graham go to audioasylum and search/post on the vintage forum and the tube forums there is a ton of eico mods and opinions to search through. http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/vintage/bbs.html http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tubes/bbs.html Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 1 18:13:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <3D722DAB.7060208@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3D723C94.ACFFD3D2@rcn.com> Hi, Bruno. We are practically neighbors (I live in Framingham). My analog gear consists of a Nak CR-7 and a ReVox B792 TT. I have a collection of about 750 LPs, about 200 cassettes and a similar number of CDs. I no longer buy much music, but still get an occasional LP. I bought about half a dozen, over the past year or so -- all on ebay. Most were advertised as brand new (and they were). Those posted as 'mint' generally tend to be overstated. I find that contacting a seller before bidding and specifically inquiring about the condition will usually elicit more realistic information that what was posted (several times making me pass on bidding). As to shipping cost -- you are right. But when I finally locate an item that I really want, I am usually willing to pay the little extra. For example, I located the Ivan Moravec playing Beethoven set of 4 LPs that I really wanted, in Canada. The shipping more than doubled the price, but I still went for it. -- Ron Bruno Vasil wrote: > > After a near 15 year hiatus from vinyl I started buying LPs about 2 years > ago.... > I find Red Trumpet fair priced with new vinyl and very knowledgeable > about music in general.They are very nice people to deal with and have a > number of used LPs available. Euclid.com has a great selection of used LPs > especially JAZZ and they grade their vinyl well with fair prices.. both of > these > sources have fine web sites ... > the best source for inexpensive vinyl, if you have the time to search, is > through > your local thrift stores ... I find Ebay iffy and there are no steals or > deals to be found > because of the great number of people perusing the site ... and it seems > most > Ebay sellers have little knowledge on grading vinyl properly... and often > good prices become not so good with the cost of shipping and insurance ... > UPS and Fedex offer better shipping prices to companies and that allows > their > charges to be more fair than single Ebay sellers.... what Ebay offers is a > better > selection of hard to find used LPs... > > I also have dealt with Acoustic Sounds and have only good things to say > about their > selection and especially their people skills demonstrated when ordering over > the > telephone.... they are pleasant, helpful, and competent.. > > Bruno ( Arlington , Mass. with a Nak DR-10 and also LX-3 that I have used > for > the past 17 years .) > > *************************** > > > I've been an observer for a couple of years but never a > > contributor/critic. The comments about vinyl being dead is far from > > wrong and forced me out of the "closet"! While I'm afraid the poor US > > economy is going to permanently damage the audiophile/analog industry, > > there are a number of e-commerce sites selling more new/used vinyl than > > I can ever hope to attain. Go to http://www.redtrumpet.com/main.php or > > http://www.acousticsounds.com/ for starters. Email me direct if you > > would like some other sources for new/used lps. dr > > -----Original Message----- > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion anyway. ) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 1 19:50:35 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:50:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <3D722DAB.7060208@attbi.com> <3D723C94.ACFFD3D2@rcn.com> <3D724502.9000502@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this > year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music > fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 > altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries > among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for > over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory > that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily > deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always > sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the > Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) > > John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain > > PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his > albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too > many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the > ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion > anyway. ) Wow... I figure that at about $75 for the lot. This translates to a quarter apiece. That's more than just a 'bargain', it's a steal. As to sound quality -- I believe it continued to improve to the late 70s. Beyond that era, manufacturers devoted their energy to CDs; LPs became an afterthought for the weirdoes that still wanted them. Then, the oil crisis caused some American manufacturers to become stingy with vinyl, leading to thinner and thinner LPs. (I have a set that behaves like an old style floppy disk that has been taken out of its envelope; yet, sound quality is quite good). Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not necessarily its sound quality, but the way it preserves LPs. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 1 20:09:14 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 14:09:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7257CA.C3555A54@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Vladimir > > Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say > about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I > have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era > as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is > rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the > Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a > complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. > However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified > only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to > turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube > amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least > substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning > that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great > deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a > soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could > be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself > the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks > early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to > where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? > > Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be > interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... > > Gra' > I wonder if getting a new amp doesn't make more sense than refurbishing an on EICO ST-70. For example, Velleman sells a power amp kit (90W per channel, using quad EL-34's per channel), for about $1400. Marry it to a reasonable pre-amp (PAT-3 or PAT-4 for less than $50). While I have never actually listened to one, I wonder if it doesn't sound better than a revamped EICO amp. While Velleman does specify a 'specialist' level (higher than 'master') for assembling this kit, it should be easier than upgrading an existing EICO. It should provide longevity and trouble free operation for far longer. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 20:10:40 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 11:10:40 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying In-Reply-To: <3D724502.9000502@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: I haunt Rasputins and Amoeba Music in Berkeley as they have an extensive used record section. I go up there once or twice a month and always find something to buy. I've found sealed Mobile Fidelity recordings as well as pristine old RCA Victor (god bless Karajan!). Of course, one has to live near Berkeley, CA and put up with the Osama Bush Laden T Shirt stands.... Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion anyway. ) ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Sep 1 21:16:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 14:16:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> You got that right, Gra. I was thinking in Kentucky instead of Scotland. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > Carlos > > It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your amusement, some satire!! ;o) > > Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML > please ... > > Carlos > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sun Sep 1 20:43:00 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 22:43:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying In-Reply-To: <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> References: <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <11946.020901@mtu-net.ru> Hello Ron, About sound quality. My collection is not as rare as yours, but it seemed to me that since recording studios switched to transistor consoles, limiters,mixers etc. some comfort in sound was lost. This was the first step of sound simplification. When The Beatles appears (sorry I LOVE them, but not regarding sound quality), The Rolling Stones and the others Rock and PoP Divas something wrong had happened with sound. The second step on "The road to Hell" (great song) was inventing of CD with its horrible U-matic based post processing, sharp cut off filters and xxx-times oversampling. When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes synthesized. Isn't it? Vladimir Zimakov. воскресенье, 1 сентября 2002 г., you wrote to me: R> John Walker wrote: >> >> Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this >> year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music >> fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 >> altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries >> among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for >> over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory >> that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily >> deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always >> sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the >> Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) >> >> John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain >> >> PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his >> albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too >> many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the >> ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion >> anyway. ) R> Wow... I figure that at about $75 for the lot. This R> translates to a quarter apiece. That's more than R> just a 'bargain', it's a steal. R> As to sound quality -- I believe it continued to R> improve to the late 70s. Beyond that era, R> manufacturers devoted their energy to CDs; LPs R> became an afterthought for the weirdoes that still R> wanted them. Then, the oil crisis caused some R> American manufacturers to become stingy with R> vinyl, leading to thinner and thinner LPs. (I have R> a set that behaves like an old style floppy disk R> that has been taken out of its envelope; yet, R> sound quality is quite good). R> Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was R> stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing R> it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not R> necessarily its sound quality, but the way it R> preserves LPs. R> -- Ron R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 21:07:28 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 20:07:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> You all know that the word 'whisky' derives from the Gaelic 'uisgue bathe',which means 'water of life', don't you? I understand that there are Socttish and Irish versions of Gaelic, so I don't know which one, the Irish 'whiskey' or the Scottish 'whisky' came first. Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it though.... John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it El Magnifico wrote: >You got that right, Gra. I was thinking in Kentucky instead of Scotland. > >Carlos > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Nelson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:57 AM >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > >>Carlos >> >>It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a >> >> >whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] >>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your >> >> >amusement, some satire!! ;o) > > >>Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML >>please ... >> >>Carlos >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >> >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 21:14:27 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:14:27 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <15667.020901@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <3D726713.28689872@earthlink.net> Graham (and Vladamir) I thought you both might be interested in this amp. It's designed by a friend of mine and sounds astonishingly good. I think the actual reserve was around $600. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1376231682 Jim Volpatti Vladimir wrote: > Hello Graham, > > As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also > nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can > I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they > are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also > very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than > original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I > feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What > about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to > get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in > anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound > signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at > high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no > "sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply > are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply > may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is > NO CAP. > Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with > various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal > capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio > Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), > Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean > sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so > my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type > resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should > not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use > for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good > results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. > > But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various > manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - > more differencies between tubes. > Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from > Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes sounds > much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and more > technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before > 1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. > If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd > better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are > expensive, but no alternatives. > > Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. > > look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT > ADVERTISEMENT!) > http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm > > Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 21:27:04 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 12:27:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying In-Reply-To: <11946.020901@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: The RCA Victor and Deutsche Gramaphone records I inherited from my father sound lovely. They were acquired in the mid to late 60's. Some of them are Japanese pressings and are exceptional. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Vladimir Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:43 AM To: Ron Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying Hello Ron, About sound quality. My collection is not as rare as yours, but it seemed to me that since recording studios switched to transistor consoles, limiters,mixers etc. some comfort in sound was lost. This was the first step of sound simplification. When The Beatles appears (sorry I LOVE them, but not regarding sound quality), The Rolling Stones and the others Rock and PoP Divas something wrong had happened with sound. The second step on "The road to Hell" (great song) was inventing of CD with its horrible U-matic based post processing, sharp cut off filters and xxx-times oversampling. When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes synthesized. Isn't it? Vladimir Zimakov. воскресенье, 1 сентября 2002 г., you wrote to me: R> John Walker wrote: >> >> Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this >> year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music >> fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 >> altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries >> among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for >> over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory >> that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily >> deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always >> sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the >> Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) >> >> John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain >> >> PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his >> albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too >> many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the >> ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion >> anyway. ) R> Wow... I figure that at about $75 for the lot. This R> translates to a quarter apiece. That's more than R> just a 'bargain', it's a steal. R> As to sound quality -- I believe it continued to R> improve to the late 70s. Beyond that era, R> manufacturers devoted their energy to CDs; LPs R> became an afterthought for the weirdoes that still R> wanted them. Then, the oil crisis caused some R> American manufacturers to become stingy with R> vinyl, leading to thinner and thinner LPs. (I have R> a set that behaves like an old style floppy disk R> that has been taken out of its envelope; yet, R> sound quality is quite good). R> Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was R> stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing R> it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not R> necessarily its sound quality, but the way it R> preserves LPs. R> -- Ron R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 21:38:10 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 20:38:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <3D7257CA.C3555A54@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D726CA2.4080306@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron, Graham The Vellemann kits are distributed through Maplin in the UK. The K4040 power amp that Ron mentions sells for UKP650, and the K8020 pre-amp for UKP200. Either of these would make good projects. Then there are the Hi-Fi World kits, with a range of specifications and prices. I gave URLs for both these companies with my earlier post. The Hi-Fi World amps that I built needed a bit of expert 'adjustment' to get them working. Like I had to buy, then adapt insulating washers for the transformer bolts... Vellemann are a successful manufacturer of kits, and are much bigger than Hi-Fi World, so I would expect their kits to be more swept up for the beginner. I have not made one though - any experience out there? Finally, if you really want to go exotic, look at the web-site of wild NZ/Aussie/German valve guru Allen Wright: http://www.vacuumstate.com . A couple of years ago I was just ready to buy one of Allen's kits when he went and *doubled* his prices overnight. The other problem is that he is a one man band, has lots of different interests, and seems to change his 'life direction' every ten minutes. The pre-amp designs look absolutely wicked, but definitely not for a beginner. Finally, whatever route you choose, I would urge you to have a go at making something. Once you have the confidence, you find yourself making up your own interconnects and other cable runs. Goodbye to Russ Andrews and his inflated prices forever! I have just modified a Stax headphone adaptor to work with monobloc power amps - I replaced the back plate with one of my own, fitting nice chunky banana posts to replace the captive speaker wire. That was real fun... The next project (after my Fraudio Research switching/buffer unit) is to build a Stax headphone driver system from scratch. I've found a nice design, now all I have to do is adapt it to UK voltages, find a transformer etc, source the parts and a case. The hardest part is finding a source for those wacky 5 pin plugs that Stax uses... John Walker Ron wrote: >Graham Nelson wrote: > > >>Vladimir >> >>Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say >>about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I >>have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era >>as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is >>rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the >>Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a >>complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. >> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified >>only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to >>turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube >>amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least >>substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning >>that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great >>deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a >>soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could >>be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself >>the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks >>early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to >>where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? >> >>Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be >>interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... >> >>Gra' >> >> >> > >I wonder if getting a new amp doesn't make more sense >than refurbishing an on EICO ST-70. For example, Velleman >sells a power amp kit (90W per channel, using quad EL-34's >per channel), for about $1400. Marry it to a reasonable >pre-amp (PAT-3 or PAT-4 for less than $50). While I have >never actually listened to one, I wonder if it doesn't >sound better than a revamped EICO amp. While Velleman does >specify a 'specialist' level (higher than 'master') for >assembling this kit, it should be easier than upgrading >an existing EICO. It should provide longevity and trouble >free operation for far longer. > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 1 21:38:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:38:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors Message-ID: <01C251F8.0B1BB660.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Interesting! I note he does mono block conversions to the Dyna's, too. I was recently offered a pair, supposedly converted by Trevor Lees in Oz (thought Trev doesn't recall working on any Dynaco ST70s), initially offered @ $1000 US. I thought he's meant $1000 AUS. The idea was to partner these with my Trevor Lees TL1 pre-amp and do away with the Quad 405s. However $1k US is a little beyond my means at the moment. G -----Original Message----- From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:14 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors Graham (and Vladamir) I thought you both might be interested in this amp. It's designed by a friend of mine and sounds astonishingly good. I think the actual reserve was around $600. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1376231682 Jim Volpatti Vladimir wrote: > Hello Graham, > > As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also > nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can > I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they > are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also > very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than > original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I > feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What > about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to > get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in > anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound > signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at > high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no > "sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply > are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply > may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is > NO CAP. > Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with > various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal > capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio > Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), > Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean > sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so > my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type > resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should > not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use > for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good > results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. > > But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various > manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - > more differencies between tubes. > Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from > Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes sounds > much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and more > technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before > 1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. > If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd > better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are > expensive, but no alternatives. > > Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. > > look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT > ADVERTISEMENT!) > http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm > > Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 1 21:47:12 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 20:47:12 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos Message-ID: <01C251F8.C4AB5FE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> John Put me down as "impressed"! Impressed that you can even spell the name ... or did you plagiarize that from a road map? In fact there are many versions of Scottish Gaelic (and even more than have probably been lost in Time) such that some folk in one part of the Highlands may not be able to fully understand other folk from another part of the Highlands of from one of the islands, as Skye. I'm betting much is the same in Eire tho' I don't know for sure. However I am sure about one thing ... to keep this on topic ... they all share the word Nakamichi!!! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [SMTP:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:07 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos You all know that the word 'whisky' derives from the Gaelic 'uisgue bathe',which means 'water of life', don't you? I understand that there are Socttish and Irish versions of Gaelic, so I don't know which one, the Irish 'whiskey' or the Scottish 'whisky' came first. Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it though.... John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Javier --- Warren wrote: > Graham > go to audioasylum and search/post on the vintage > forum and the tube forums > there is a ton of eico mods and opinions to search > through. > http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/vintage/bbs.html > http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tubes/bbs.html > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sun Sep 1 22:09:26 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 13:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gun Control In-Reply-To: <001201c251b4$38dc9ae0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <20020901200926.97122.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> I'm not aware of anyone being offended. Seems like a lot of good occasional OT fun to me. Javier --- Jannis wrote: > We are united by nak's sound of music. > Are we going to be seperated by the sounds of firing > guns? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 1 22:09:22 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 13:09:22 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <01C251F8.0B1BB660.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7273F1.E8A4E892@earthlink.net> Well, you could send your amp to my friend and for $300 or $400US, he will completely rebuild your amps. His little amps must be heard to be appreciated. Jim Volpatti Graham Nelson wrote: > Interesting! I note he does mono block conversions to the Dyna's, too. I > was recently offered a pair, supposedly converted by Trevor Lees in Oz > (thought Trev doesn't recall working on any Dynaco ST70s), initially > offered @ $1000 US. I thought he's meant $1000 AUS. The idea was to > partner these with my Trevor Lees TL1 pre-amp and do away with the Quad > 405s. However $1k US is a little beyond my means at the moment. > > G > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Volpatti [SMTP:jvolpatti at earthlink.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:14 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors > > Graham (and Vladamir) > > I thought you both might be interested in this amp. It's designed by a > friend of mine and > sounds astonishingly good. I think the actual reserve was around $600. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1376231682 > > Jim Volpatti > > Vladimir wrote: > > > Hello Graham, > > > > As for tube amps, I know quite good Dynaco products and also > > nowdays I'm "playing the game" with EICO HF20 monobloks. What can > > I say? IMHO EICO oversized transformers sound better than ST70's, they > > are more musical, tighter bass (you're right!), but DYNA's are also > > very good. What about schematics? EICO can sound much better than > > original. Schematics and construction is so compromised in EICO. I > > feel that EICO transformers have much more potential than used. What > > about upgrade? You should invest money, a lot of money if you want to > > get more. Electrolitics should be replaced to Black Gate WKZ series in > > anode supply and to NP type in cathodes. But BG's have their own sound > > signature, not comfortable in some cases. They are extremly clean at > > high frequencies but a little bit coloured upper midrange, but no > > "sand" no compression, very open sound. The best choice for power supply > > are BIG CAN OILFILLED TYPES, but due to their sizes your power supply > > may be as large as Suder G-36. (-: Frankly speaking, the best CAP is > > NO CAP. > > Internal signal wiring should be replaced (you should experiment with > > various cables), ground plane should be rearranged. As for signal > > capacitors Vitamin-Q (very liquid midrange, highs rolled off), Audio > > Note paper in oil alluminium (very musical, slitely "fogged" sound), > > Jensen (CU foil series - neutral and musical and exceptionally clean > > sound). But in various surroundings caps may behave variously, so > > my conclusions are only first aproximation of my expirience. Old type > > resistors like carbon type Allen Bradley sounds very good. They should > > not be replaced. HOLCO produce DEAD sound, metal film types better use > > for solid state devices. Only CARBON for tubes. Also I have very good > > results with tantalium types AN resistors, placed in cathodes. > > > > But "The winner is...." - THE TUBES. The same types tubes from various > > manufactures sounds so different! Less negative feedback in amp - > > more differencies between tubes. > > Please, never, never!!! use Russian made tubes, especially new ones from > > Sovtek and Svetlana. It is sad but true, modern brand name Chinese tubes > sounds > > much better than Russians, because they have better materials inside and > more > > technological culture. Russian tubes are good only NOS, made before > > 1980. Also various soviet factories types sounds rather different. > > If midrange and acoustical instruments are on the first place, you'd > > better look for NOS RCA,MULLARD, BRIMAR, TELEFUNKEN, Philips. They are > > expensive, but no alternatives. > > > > Replacing tubes is upgrade #1 and blow me off if I'm not right. > > > > look at our tube amps, especially tubes we use ( THIS IS NOT > > ADVERTISEMENT!) > > http://zaudio.hotbox.ru/zaudio/gd/zaudio.htm > > > > Best regards, Vladimir Zimakov. > > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------------- > --========= > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 22:28:01 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:28:01 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251F8.C4AB5FE0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D727851.4010008@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I spelt it from memory, so I'm not sure if I got it all right. I lived in Wales for 9 years (Aberystwyth, my Alma Mater- the same Uni that taught Prince Charles to give his Investiture speech in Welsh.) My favourite Welsh story - 'David', always shortened to 'Dai' is the most common male name, so they are usually distinguished by their occupation, or something like that. I can remember Dai Milkman (conventional), Dai Bungalow (guess where he lived), and finally Dai Psychopath. We usually left him alone. There must be a Dai Nakamichi out there somewhere.He would *have* to be the proud owner of a Ddraig, of course, his national emblem. (That's Dragon to you and me) John, pretending to be a polyglot, but not. Graham Nelson wrote: >John > >Put me down as "impressed"! Impressed that you can even spell the name ... >or did you plagiarize that from a road map? In fact there are many >versions of Scottish Gaelic (and even more than have probably been lost in >Time) such that some folk in one part of the Highlands may not be able to >fully understand other folk from another part of the Highlands of from one >of the islands, as Skye. I'm betting much is the same in Eire tho' I don't >know for sure. > >However I am sure about one thing ... to keep this on topic ... they all >share the word Nakamichi!!! > >Gra' > >-----Original Message----- >From: John Walker [SMTP:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:07 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > >You all know that the word 'whisky' derives from the Gaelic 'uisgue >bathe',which means 'water of life', don't you? I understand that there >are Socttish and Irish versions of Gaelic, so I don't know which one, >the Irish 'whiskey' or the Scottish 'whisky' came first. > >Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can >pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This >is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it >though.... > >John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 1 22:29:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:29:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> <11946.020901@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <3D727894.C5FF06DC@rcn.com> "When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes synthesized. Isn't it?" Not necessarily, I think. It all depends on how you define 'hi-fidelity'. If your definition is: as close to the original sound as humanly possible, then it doesn't matter how you achieve it. Even if the sound is treated as a series of numbers (something that *feels* artificial and contrived), as long as the output is still very close to the original sound, it meets the goal. Of course, if your goal is sound reproduction that is pleasant to your ears (possibly, more pleasant than the original sound was), then CDs, SS amps and 'accurate' speakers may not your cup of tea... Regards, -- Ron Vladimir wrote: > > Hello Ron, > > About sound quality. My collection is not as rare as yours, but it > seemed to me that since recording studios switched to transistor > consoles, limiters,mixers etc. some comfort in sound was lost. This was the > first step of sound simplification. When The Beatles appears (sorry I > LOVE them, but not regarding sound quality), The Rolling Stones and > the others Rock and PoP Divas something wrong had happened with sound. > The second step on "The road to Hell" (great song) was inventing of CD with its > horrible U-matic based post processing, sharp cut off filters and xxx-times > oversampling. When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it > take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes synthesized. > Isn't it? > > Vladimir Zimakov. > > âîñêðåñåíüå, 1 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002 ã., you wrote to me: > > R> John Walker wrote: > >> > >> Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this > >> year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music > >> fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 > >> altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries > >> among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for > >> over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory > >> that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily > >> deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always > >> sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the > >> Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) > >> > >> John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain > >> > >> PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his > >> albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too > >> many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the > >> ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion > >> anyway. ) > > R> Wow... I figure that at about $75 for the lot. This > R> translates to a quarter apiece. That's more than > R> just a 'bargain', it's a steal. > > R> As to sound quality -- I believe it continued to > R> improve to the late 70s. Beyond that era, > R> manufacturers devoted their energy to CDs; LPs > R> became an afterthought for the weirdoes that still > R> wanted them. Then, the oil crisis caused some > R> American manufacturers to become stingy with > R> vinyl, leading to thinner and thinner LPs. (I have > R> a set that behaves like an old style floppy disk > R> that has been taken out of its envelope; yet, > R> sound quality is quite good). > > R> Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was > R> stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing > R> it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not > R> necessarily its sound quality, but the way it > R> preserves LPs. > > R> -- Ron > > R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 1 22:30:55 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:30:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7278FF.659657B4@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > You all know that the word 'whisky' derives from the Gaelic 'uisgue > bathe',which means 'water of life', don't you? I understand that there > are Socttish and Irish versions of Gaelic, so I don't know which one, > the Irish 'whiskey' or the Scottish 'whisky' came first. > > Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can > pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This > is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it > though.... Easy enough. Just record it on a C-90 cassette, hoping that it all fits on one side :-). -- Ron > John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it > > El Magnifico wrote: > > >You got that right, Gra. I was thinking in Kentucky instead of Scotland. > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Graham Nelson" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:57 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > > > > > > >>Carlos > >> > >>It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a > >> > >> > >whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > >>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your > >> > >> > >amusement, some satire!! ;o) > > > > > >>Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML > >>please ... > >> > >>Carlos > >> > >> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sun Sep 1 22:50:41 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:50:41 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors In-Reply-To: <3D7257CA.C3555A54@rcn.com> References: <3D7257CA.C3555A54@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1735.020902@mtu-net.ru> Hello Ron, I'm not shure that Velleman's KIT K4040B is close to EICO's sound quality. Output transformers in this KIT are torroidal ferrite core type and are from another, non-audio world; Vladimir. воскресенье, 01 сентября 2002, you wrote to me: R> Graham Nelson wrote: >> >> Vladimir >> >> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say >> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I >> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era >> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is >> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the >> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a >> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. >> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified >> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to >> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube >> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least >> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning >> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great >> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a >> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could >> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself >> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks >> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to >> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? >> >> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be >> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... >> >> Gra' >> R> I wonder if getting a new amp doesn't make more sense R> than refurbishing an on EICO ST-70. For example, Velleman R> sells a power amp kit (90W per channel, using quad EL-34's R> per channel), for about $1400. Marry it to a reasonable R> pre-amp (PAT-3 or PAT-4 for less than $50). While I have R> never actually listened to one, I wonder if it doesn't R> sound better than a revamped EICO amp. While Velleman does R> specify a 'specialist' level (higher than 'master') for R> assembling this kit, it should be easier than upgrading R> an existing EICO. It should provide longevity and trouble R> free operation for far longer. R> -- Ron R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 1 22:59:34 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 21:59:34 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D7278FF.659657B4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D727FB6.2010201@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Can you buy a C-1? That would be enough, and could include the uncontrolled giggling from my kids. I should have put it onto the Euro-Marathon cassette. We could also have had the sound of Graham after half a bottle of Balvenie. We would have needed a C-10000 for that.though.... John, glad to be back (sort of) on topic Ron wrote: >John Walker wrote: > > >>You all know that the word 'whisky' derives from the Gaelic 'uisgue >>bathe',which means 'water of life', don't you? I understand that there >>are Socttish and Irish versions of Gaelic, so I don't know which one, >>the Irish 'whiskey' or the Scottish 'whisky' came first. >> >>Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can >>pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This >>is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it >>though.... >> >> > >Easy enough. Just record it on a C-90 cassette, hoping that >it all fits on one side :-). > >-- Ron > > > > > >>John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it >> >>El Magnifico wrote: >> >> >> >>>You got that right, Gra. I was thinking in Kentucky instead of Scotland. >>> >>>Carlos >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Graham Nelson" >>>To: >>>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:57 AM >>>Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Carlos >>>> >>>>It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>whisky not a whiskey! ;o) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>amusement, some satire!! ;o) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML >>>>please ... >>>> >>>>Carlos >>>> >>>> >>>>--- >>>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>>>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>>======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>resource. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>>======= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Sep 2 00:24:46 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:24:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D7278FF.659657B4@rcn.com> <3D727FB6.2010201@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <016901c25206$6153f9d0$65756acf@johnnyrotten> Hic!!! yes ;-) John ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > Can you buy a C-1? That would be enough, and could include the > uncontrolled giggling from my kids. I should have put it onto the > Euro-Marathon cassette. We could also have had the sound of Graham after > half a bottle of Balvenie. We would have needed a C-10000 for > that.though.... > > John, glad to be back (sort of) on topic > > Ron wrote: > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > >>You all know that the word 'whisky' derives from the Gaelic 'uisgue > >>bathe',which means 'water of life', don't you? I understand that there > >>are Socttish and Irish versions of Gaelic, so I don't know which one, > >>the Irish 'whiskey' or the Scottish 'whisky' came first. > >> > >>Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can > >>pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This > >>is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it > >>though.... > >> > >> > > > >Easy enough. Just record it on a C-90 cassette, hoping that > >it all fits on one side :-). > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > >>John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it > >> > >>El Magnifico wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>You got that right, Gra. I was thinking in Kentucky instead of Scotland. > >>> > >>>Carlos > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Graham Nelson" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:57 AM > >>>Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Carlos > >>>> > >>>>It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > >>>>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM > >>>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>amusement, some satire!! ;o) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML > >>>>please ... > >>>> > >>>>Carlos > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>--- > >>>>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>>>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>>>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>resource. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -== > >>>======= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Sep 2 01:46:19 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 19:46:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <200209011459.QAA15691@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <002601c25211$d76a8840$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400, Ron wrote: >Hi, Bruno. We are practically neighbors (I live in >Framingham). My analog gear consists of a Nak CR-7 >and a ReVox B792 TT. We're getting close to enough to have a party - I'm in Billerica, MA and have a CR-3A (and a CR-7A in a few days - it's travelling to me from Florida at the moment in a UPS truck). Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 2 02:04:29 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 18:04:29 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <3D7257CA.C3555A54@rcn.com> <1735.020902@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <008c01c25214$50771440$483442cf@bk11> Reminds me of the 1/2 hour rant I started when I asked Art Garcia, RCA's old transformer designer(from the theater/broadcast equip days), and I DO mean OLD, about Cary output transformers. Those are apparently bobbin wound(!), and Art went on for half an hour, in great detail, about every last little thing wrong with them. I certainly agree with Vladimir, the Eico iron is ten times better than anything you'll find in Velleman or other moderately priced modern tube gear. And twice as good as Dynaco ST70 iron. Although Dave Hafler's old Acrosound transformers were absolutely superb. Darn near as good as McIntosh's. I am no fan of oil caps, though. I think they have their own innacurate colorations, which may be pleasant, but not accurate. The job of a capacitor, in my book, is to be as "not there" as possible, except in power supplies, of course, and no caps do this better, IMO, than really good propylene & styrene caps. As for electrolytic caps in the power supply, I rely on them STRICTLY for energy storage, using very generous film cap bypassing to do the mid-hi freq filtering, eliminating any influence of the lytic caps on the sonic signature. So, all I care about with lytics is that they are reliable & big enough for the job. Preferrably 3 or more times the theoretical maximum needed for the job. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir" To: "Ron" Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors > Hello Ron, > > I'm not shure that Velleman's KIT K4040B is close to EICO's sound quality. > Output transformers in this KIT are torroidal ferrite core type and > are from another, non-audio world; > > Vladimir. > воскресенье, 01 сентября 2002, you wrote to me: > > R> Graham Nelson wrote: > >> > >> Vladimir > >> > >> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say > >> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I > >> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era > >> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is > >> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the > >> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a > >> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. > >> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified > >> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to > >> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube > >> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least > >> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning > >> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great > >> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a > >> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could > >> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself > >> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks > >> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to > >> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? > >> > >> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be > >> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... > >> > >> Gra' > >> > > R> I wonder if getting a new amp doesn't make more sense > R> than refurbishing an on EICO ST-70. For example, Velleman > R> sells a power amp kit (90W per channel, using quad EL-34's > R> per channel), for about $1400. Marry it to a reasonable > R> pre-amp (PAT-3 or PAT-4 for less than $50). While I have > R> never actually listened to one, I wonder if it doesn't > R> sound better than a revamped EICO amp. While Velleman does > R> specify a 'specialist' level (higher than 'master') for > R> assembling this kit, it should be easier than upgrading > R> an existing EICO. It should provide longevity and trouble > R> free operation for far longer. > > R> -- Ron > > R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Mon Sep 2 02:11:19 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:11:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Re: O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <200209011459.QAA15691@zebra.naks.com> <002601c25211$d76a8840$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D72ACA7.60503@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> If MA is Massachusetts (as I suspect), then I could join in as well, next time I am over in the US. (October through December, I'm not quite sure yet.) How far from Boston? How far from Providence? greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: >On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > >>Hi, Bruno. We are practically neighbors (I live in >>Framingham). My analog gear consists of a Nak CR-7 >>and a ReVox B792 TT. >> >> > >We're getting close to enough to have a party - I'm in Billerica, MA and >have a CR-3A (and a CR-7A in a few days - it's travelling to me from Florida >at the moment in a UPS truck). > >Geoffrey Reynolds > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Mon Sep 2 12:58:01 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:58:01 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying In-Reply-To: <3D727894.C5FF06DC@rcn.com> References: <3D727894.C5FF06DC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <1623.020902@mtu-net.ru> Hello Ron, Of course, if your goal is sound reproduction that is R> pleasant to your ears (possibly, more pleasant than the R> original sound was), then CDs, SS amps and 'accurate' R> speakers may not your cup of tea... Yes and No simultaniously. We still don't have criteries to measure sound qulity, so the question "where is the truth?" does not have any concrete answer. I think if the user can listen to his system for a long time without switching it off - this is good sounding system. But we are so differnet, and i absolutely agree, we don't have equal defeinition of "hi-fidelity" termin. As for me, I prefer tubed equipment, but some pro solid state devices also impress me a lot. Like Studer-Revox, EMT, Nakamichi. Regards, Vladimir. ïîíåäåëüíèê, 02 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: R> "When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it R> take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes R> synthesized. Isn't it?" R> Not necessarily, I think. R> It all depends on how you define 'hi-fidelity'. If R> your definition is: as close to the original sound as R> humanly possible, then it doesn't matter how you achieve R> it. Even if the sound is treated as a series of numbers R> (something that *feels* artificial and contrived), as R> long as the output is still very close to the original R> sound, it meets the goal. R> Of course, if your goal is sound reproduction that is R> pleasant to your ears (possibly, more pleasant than the R> original sound was), then CDs, SS amps and 'accurate' R> speakers may not your cup of tea... R> Regards, R> -- Ron R> Vladimir wrote: >> >> Hello Ron, >> >> About sound quality. My collection is not as rare as yours, but it >> seemed to me that since recording studios switched to transistor >> consoles, limiters,mixers etc. some comfort in sound was lost. This was the >> first step of sound simplification. When The Beatles appears (sorry I >> LOVE them, but not regarding sound quality), The Rolling Stones and >> the others Rock and PoP Divas something wrong had happened with sound. >> The second step on "The road to Hell" (great song) was inventing of CD with its >> horrible U-matic based post processing, sharp cut off filters and xxx-times >> oversampling. When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it >> take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes synthesized. >> Isn't it? >> >> Vladimir Zimakov. >> >> âîñêðåñåíüå, 1 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002 ã., you wrote to me: >> >> R> John Walker wrote: >> >> >> >> Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this >> >> year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music >> >> fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 >> >> altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries >> >> among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for >> >> over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory >> >> that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily >> >> deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always >> >> sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the >> >> Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) >> >> >> >> John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain >> >> >> >> PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his >> >> albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too >> >> many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the >> >> ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion >> >> anyway. ) >> >> R> Wow... I figure that at about $75 for the lot. This >> R> translates to a quarter apiece. That's more than >> R> just a 'bargain', it's a steal. >> >> R> As to sound quality -- I believe it continued to >> R> improve to the late 70s. Beyond that era, >> R> manufacturers devoted their energy to CDs; LPs >> R> became an afterthought for the weirdoes that still >> R> wanted them. Then, the oil crisis caused some >> R> American manufacturers to become stingy with >> R> vinyl, leading to thinner and thinner LPs. (I have >> R> a set that behaves like an old style floppy disk >> R> that has been taken out of its envelope; yet, >> R> sound quality is quite good). >> >> R> Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was >> R> stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing >> R> it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not >> R> necessarily its sound quality, but the way it >> R> preserves LPs. >> >> R> -- Ron >> >> R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >> R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------======== R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 06:38:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 21:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] SS harshness question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020902043803.21222.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Hi All I'm looking for opinions. How do most of you get the harshness out of early SS amp designs? I've tried the usual stuff like signal cap upgrades and matching transistors on some early designs but would like to hear something a little smoother. Any Ideas? Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From m.raven at chello.nl Mon Sep 2 05:43:17 2002 From: m.raven at chello.nl (Maurits) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 05:43:17 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control References: <20020830052522.42192.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> <002501c25017$3f8c89c0$542f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000b01c25232$e014b0d0$9e3cbbd4@COLOSSUS> ----- Original Message ----- From: "El Magnifico" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Gun control > > > The Gerrmans have no speed limiton their Autobahns and > > they didn't have high accident rates by comparison > > with the US. > > And, you know why ? Simply because when they drive, they only do that. Only when they drive fast! The main reason for not having a speed limitation: German car industry won't sell expensive brands like Porsche, Mercedes Benz, Audi and BMW when the customer can drive as fast as they want. Maurits ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Sep 2 22:05:10 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:05:10 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale References: Message-ID: <002101c252bc$0ca3dcf0$5d2f2ac4@CopyTech> Vinod: Any reasonable offer wouldn't be declined. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > Hi Carlos, > > Wondering what will be the price for the following : > > 1. Audio Control C-101 > 2. Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > 3. Nakamichi MR-2 > > Thanks > > Vinod > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 2 15:26:10 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:26:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <200209011459.QAA15691@zebra.naks.com> <002601c25211$d76a8840$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <3D72ACA7.60503@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7366F2.E86BD69E@rcn.com> MA in the US is definitely Massachusetts. Arlington is the closest to Boston, with only Cambridge sitting between the two. Billerica is farther out; will take you anywhere from 20 minutes to eternity, depending on traffic conditions. Framingham is the farthest -- about half an hour, maybe 35 minutes, away (again, excluding rush hour). Let us know when you show up here, we'll treat you to a concert from our humble sound system. -- Ron John Walker wrote: > > If MA is Massachusetts (as I suspect), then I could join in as well, > next time I am over in the US. (October through December, I'm not quite > sure yet.) How far from Boston? How far from Providence? > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > >On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi, Bruno. We are practically neighbors (I live in > >>Framingham). My analog gear consists of a Nak CR-7 > >>and a ReVox B792 TT. > >> > >> > > > >We're getting close to enough to have a party - I'm in Billerica, MA and > >have a CR-3A (and a CR-7A in a few days - it's travelling to me from Florida > >at the moment in a UPS truck). > > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 2 15:15:22 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:15:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <200209011459.QAA15691@zebra.naks.com> <002601c25211$d76a8840$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D73646A.77D9D68@rcn.com> greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400, Ron wrote: > > >Hi, Bruno. We are practically neighbors (I live in > >Framingham). My analog gear consists of a Nak CR-7 > >and a ReVox B792 TT. > > We're getting close to enough to have a party - I'm in Billerica, MA and > have a CR-3A (and a CR-7A in a few days - it's travelling to me from Florida > at the moment in a UPS truck). > > Geoffrey Reynolds Brace yourself. If that CR-7 is anywhere close to mine, it's going to make you very, very happy. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 2 15:11:34 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 09:11:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors References: <3D7257CA.C3555A54@rcn.com> <1735.020902@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <3D736386.9E7D75D7@rcn.com> Well, I built a bunch of EICO ST-70s (as well as a bunch of Dinaco ST-70s) and never thought they sounded that stupendous -- just pretty good. I have never heard the Velleman K4020, but thought they should sound pretty good -- exactly because of the torroid output transformers. Torroid transformers have higher inductance and lower leakage inductance -- both beneficial for audio use. In addition, radiated hum/noise is very much lower. There are schools of thought that prefer torroid output transformers. Do a search on Google for 'torroid audio transformer'. For example, See: http://www.meta-gizmo.com/Tri/plitron.htm I would really be interested in listening to the Velleman design. Unfortunately, where I live this is only possible if I buy the kit and build it. If anyone here wants one, I'd be willing to assemble it for them (I have both the expertise and the tools), if they let me keep it for a couple of weeks after assembly. Regards, -- Ron Vladimir wrote: > > Hello Ron, > > I'm not shure that Velleman's KIT K4040B is close to EICO's sound quality. > Output transformers in this KIT are torroidal ferrite core type and > are from another, non-audio world; > > Vladimir. > âîñêðåñåíüå, 01 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > R> Graham Nelson wrote: > >> > >> Vladimir > >> > >> Many thanks for that. I am particularly interested to hear what you say > >> about the difference between caps' for solid state and for tube amps. I > >> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is of a similar design and era > >> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, although I am told the Eico is > >> rather better in bass response (it being tighter but just as deep as the > >> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous transformers. Now, I am a > >> complete novice when it comes to repair or upgrading of audio equipment. > >> However, I reason that, given this amp is around 30-40 years old, modified > >> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am supposing it might be possible to > >> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube amp into a great sounding tube > >> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more modern ones, not least > >> substituting the old wiring with something new ("better".) I am reasoning > >> that, whilst I may know very little about electronics I might learn a great > >> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention improve my skills with a > >> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where to start! I fancy this could > >> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. So, in order to give myself > >> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to get maximum bang for my bucks > >> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you have any suggestions as to > >> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? > >> > >> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm thinking this just might be > >> interesting for a few folk other than just me! If I'm wrong tell me so ... > >> > >> Gra' > >> > > R> I wonder if getting a new amp doesn't make more sense > R> than refurbishing an on EICO ST-70. For example, Velleman > R> sells a power amp kit (90W per channel, using quad EL-34's > R> per channel), for about $1400. Marry it to a reasonable > R> pre-amp (PAT-3 or PAT-4 for less than $50). While I have > R> never actually listened to one, I wonder if it doesn't > R> sound better than a revamped EICO amp. While Velleman does > R> specify a 'specialist' level (higher than 'master') for > R> assembling this kit, it should be easier than upgrading > R> an existing EICO. It should provide longevity and trouble > R> free operation for far longer. > > R> -- Ron > > R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Regards, Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of El Magnifico Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:05 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale Vinod: Any reasonable offer wouldn't be declined. Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vinod Kumar" To: Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Over Stock Sale > Hi Carlos, > > Wondering what will be the price for the following : > > 1. Audio Control C-101 > 2. Panasonic 3700 Dat Player > 3. Nakamichi MR-2 > > Thanks > > Vinod > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Arlington is just northwest of Boston , Framingham perhaps 20 miles west of Boston and Billerica about 25 or so miles northwest of Boston..... Bruno **************** John Walker wrote: > If MA is Massachusetts (as I suspect), then I could join in as well, > next time I am over in the US. (October through December, I'm not > quite sure yet.) How far from Boston? How far from Providence? > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 21:44:57 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 12:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors In-Reply-To: <3D736386.9E7D75D7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020902194457.74286.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> As far as I know, the only real difference between a toroidal and conventional transformer is that the toroidal produces less interference and is less sensitive to external interference. It may also be more efficient. It's the steel and windings that make the difference. - The better the steel/grain the better the response for a given transformer lamination size and width. You can always compensate by making a bigger and heavier transformer. Of course I could be wrong! As for the ST70 I've also heard they don't sound as great as some others, and I've been told it's the transformers that limit it. The guys on the Scott list generally agree that the 299s are better sounding than the Eico. No idea what the Eico guys say though. Javier --- Ron wrote: > > Well, I built a bunch of EICO ST-70s (as well as a > bunch > of Dinaco ST-70s) and never thought they sounded > that > stupendous -- just pretty good. I have never heard > the > Velleman K4020, but thought they should sound pretty > good -- exactly because of the torroid output > transformers. > Torroid transformers have higher inductance and > lower > leakage inductance -- both beneficial for audio use. > In > addition, radiated hum/noise is very much lower. > > There are schools of thought that prefer torroid > output > transformers. Do a search on Google for 'torroid > audio > transformer'. For example, See: > > http://www.meta-gizmo.com/Tri/plitron.htm > > I would really be interested in listening to the > Velleman > design. Unfortunately, where I live this is only > possible > if I buy the kit and build it. If anyone here wants > one, > I'd be willing to assemble it for them (I have both > the > expertise and the tools), if they let me keep it for > a > couple of weeks after assembly. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > Vladimir wrote: > > > > Hello Ron, > > > > I'm not shure that Velleman's KIT K4040B is close > to EICO's sound quality. > > Output transformers in this KIT are torroidal > ferrite core type and > > are from another, non-audio world; > > > > Vladimir. > > �����������, 01 �������� 2002, you wrote to me: > > > > R> Graham Nelson wrote: > > >> > > >> Vladimir > > >> > > >> Many thanks for that. I am particularly > interested to hear what you say > > >> about the difference between caps' for solid > state and for tube amps. I > > >> have a rather nice sounding Eico ST70, which is > of a similar design and era > > >> as the better known Dynaco or Dynakit ST70, > although I am told the Eico is > > >> rather better in bass response (it being > tighter but just as deep as the > > >> Dyna') due to the fact that it uses enormous > transformers. Now, I am a > > >> complete novice when it comes to repair or > upgrading of audio equipment. > > >> However, I reason that, given this amp is > around 30-40 years old, modified > > >> only to take some Sylvana EL34s (?), I am > supposing it might be possible to > > >> turn what is a good sounding integrated tube > amp into a great sounding tube > > >> amp by swapping a few old parts for some more > modern ones, not least > > >> substituting the old wiring with something new > ("better".) I am reasoning > > >> that, whilst I may know very little about > electronics I might learn a great > > >> deal by swapping old for new, not to mention > improve my skills with a > > >> soldering iron, However, I am not sure where > to start! I fancy this could > > >> be a long project ... and probably not cheap. > So, in order to give myself > > >> the right impetus it seems sensible to try to > get maximum bang for my bucks > > >> early on, to get some "quick wins". Would you > have any suggestions as to > > >> where I ought to start? The cap's perhaps? > > >> > > >> Apologies if this is to far OT, guys but I'm > thinking this just might be > > >> interesting for a few folk other than just me! > If I'm wrong tell me so ... > > >> > > >> Gra' > > >> > > > > R> I wonder if getting a new amp doesn't make more > sense > > R> than refurbishing an on EICO ST-70. For > example, Velleman > > R> sells a power amp kit (90W per channel, using > quad EL-34's > > R> per channel), for about $1400. Marry it to a > reasonable > > R> pre-amp (PAT-3 or PAT-4 for less than $50). > While I have > > R> never actually listened to one, I wonder if it > doesn't > > R> sound better than a revamped EICO amp. While > Velleman does > > R> specify a 'specialist' level (higher than > 'master') for > > R> assembling this kit, it should be easier than > upgrading > > R> an existing EICO. It should provide longevity > and trouble > > R> free operation for far longer. > > > > R> -- Ron > > > > R> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > R> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > R> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > Best regards, > > Vladimir > mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 2 21:56:16 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:56:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Now if you want to build a kit .... References: Message-ID: <006001c252ba$ccbb0b00$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> First if I were graham I'd play around with the Eico he has it and the transformers are very good so its a nice starting point but having said that if I were going to build a kit I'd look at the following: you'll need to use babelfish.altavista.com to translate the japanese to english. and the cost ranges from 1000.00 and up with an extra 250.00 for their assembly (us dollars) the kits are a mac 275 http://www.sunvalley-e.co.jp/kit/sv275/sv275.htm (1100.0) a marantz 8b http://www.sunvalley-e.co.jp/kit/c8b/c8b.htm (1000.00) there are a bunch more a PP845 set of monoblocs a300b based amp On one of my other lists the 275 was built with a really good recomendation have fun Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 2 22:14:37 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:14:37 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] hafler vs scott fisher citation et all References: <20020902194457.74286.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007401c252bd$5cd5b080$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> The advantage of the St70 over the other amos as I see it is because the ST70 (haffler) was the biggest selling tube amp of all time there are tons of them around to play with. There are a lot of mods available including a popular board from triode electronics and for plain fun more bastardizations of theis amp than any other, Float around ebay and you will see more idiotic mods to this amp especially from a saftey stand point than anything else. But I digress I think there are better amps the EICO's certainly the citation 2 any of the better Marantz's (9, 8b) and some of the fisher and scotts but none of these are available for under $100.00 all the parts including the transformers are available for the dynaco to so if you break it its easily fixed. check out triode electronics website Ned has a ton of info on tubes, amps and great links for all the old stuff. http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/index.html specifically http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/ottriodpag.html (neat stuff) http://www.triodeel.com/schindex.htm (schematics) http://www.triodeel.com/tubedata.htm (tube stuff) http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/dynacoupgrades.html dynaco http://www.triodeel.com/dynaco.html (dynaco) Ned's a cool guy just don't get him started on beer Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 2 22:18:48 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:18:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors/ torrids References: <20020902194457.74286.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008201c252bd$f2267b60$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> I know torid's are prefered these days for power transformers mainly a size issue (I think) but has any one used them for output transformers? The advantage alas to SS and OTl's is getting rid of these things which must be good I guess (not that I'm dumping my tube amps) Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: OT: Capacitors > As far as I know, the only real difference > between a toroidal and conventional transformer is > that the toroidal produces less interference and is > less sensitive to external interference. It may also > be more efficient. It's the steel and windings that > make the difference. - The better the steel/grain the > better the response for a given transformer lamination > size and width. You can always compensate by making a > bigger and heavier transformer. > Of course I could be wrong! > > As for the ST70 I've also heard they don't sound as > great as some others, and I've been told it's the > transformers that limit it. The guys on the Scott list > generally agree that the 299s are better sounding than > the Eico. No idea what the Eico guys say though. > > Javier > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 2 22:19:07 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:19:07 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] the unoficial eico home page References: <01C251DD.6B744740.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <008301c252bd$fd8bf660$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> I wish some one would tell me how to search by favorites list but in anycase after searching here it is http://users.rcn.com/fiddler.interport/EICO.HTM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 22:55:24 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] hafler vs scott fisher citation et all In-Reply-To: <007401c252bd$5cd5b080$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20020902205524.43857.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Now that we're on the tube topic, How good are the Hammond transformers? I've noticed that none of them are good for 20-20K all of them quit at around 30. They are the only affordable trannys out there hoqwever. Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Mon Sep 2 23:55:49 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 14:55:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Flourescent tubes In-Reply-To: <20020902205524.43857.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020902215549.79890.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> --- Javier Perez wrote: > > Now that we're on the tube topic, > How good are the Hammond transformers? I've noticed > that none of them are good for 20-20K all of them > quit > at around 30. They are the only affordable trannys > out > there hoqwever. > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 00:01:25 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 15:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? In-Reply-To: <20020902205524.43857.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020902220125.88076.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Sorry for the OT I'm trying to replace the flourescent tubes in the kitchen but the new ones don't work. Perhaps they are the wrong type or the ballast might be bad. I know next to nothing about the technology. What's the ballast, it looks like a box with some sort of inductor or transformer in it. How many types of tubes are there of a given size requiring different ballasts? How is ballast rated? Inductance? Should I get a regular incandescent ceiling light fixture instead? Any advice is greatly appereciated. Thanks Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Tue Sep 3 00:15:46 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 02:15:46 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] UTC transformers In-Reply-To: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> References: <01C2505F.A6F3B5A0.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: <1194.020903@mtu-net.ru> Hi All! Does anybody have experience with UTC transformers? They looks too small, and what about the sound? About toroids: I tried Plitron output transformers. Electrical characteristics are excellent. Sound absolutely dissapointing. )-: Regards, Vladimir. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 01:19:10 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 16:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] carver tl-3300???? In-Reply-To: <1194.020903@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <20020902231910.88389.qmail@web10508.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I found this ebay item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1376752587 According to the seller the 3300 was somehow special Is this true or BS hype? I have a 3300 I picked up long ago. It sounds great but I don't have anything H.E. to AB it against. Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 02:20:17 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 20:20:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? References: <20020902220125.88076.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c401c252df$aed56340$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> assuming you bought the same bulbs it siunds like the balast is shot. did you notice a lot of loud humm or flickering before the light died? in any case find the balast for the bulbs that are dead and disconect it and take it to homedepot or your local large hardware/lighting store and get a new one. ps warm bulbs make the food look better than the cold style new balasts are pretty cheap if you want to know how it works check out http://www.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp.htm Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:01 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? > Hi > Sorry for the OT > I'm trying to replace the flourescent tubes in the > kitchen but the new ones don't work. Perhaps they are > the wrong type or the ballast might be bad. I know > next to nothing about the technology. What's the > ballast, it looks like a box with some sort of > inductor or transformer in it. How many types of tubes > are there of a given size requiring different > ballasts? How is ballast rated? Inductance? > Should I get a regular incandescent ceiling light > fixture instead? > Any advice is greatly appereciated. > Thanks > Javier > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 02:38:41 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 17:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? In-Reply-To: <00c401c252df$aed56340$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20020903003841.4246.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Warren I just bought the right length. Not sure if they are the correct type. New ones were Philips old ones were GE! They went dead without too much flickering but the new ones do flicker. It may be both the wrong tubes and the wrong balast! If I mix a Philips and a GE they flicker a little brighter! Thanks again See Ya Javier --- Warren wrote: > assuming you bought the same bulbs > it siunds like the balast is shot. > did you notice a lot of loud humm or flickering > before the light died? > in any case find the balast for the bulbs that are > dead and disconect it and > take it to homedepot or your local large > hardware/lighting store > and get a new one. > ps warm bulbs make the food look better than the > cold style > new balasts are pretty cheap > if you want to know how it works check out > http://www.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp.htm > Warren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Javier Perez" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:01 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? > > > > Hi > > Sorry for the OT > > I'm trying to replace the flourescent tubes in the > > kitchen but the new ones don't work. Perhaps they > are > > the wrong type or the ballast might be bad. I know > > next to nothing about the technology. What's the > > ballast, it looks like a box with some sort of > > inductor or transformer in it. How many types of > tubes > > are there of a given size requiring different > > ballasts? How is ballast rated? Inductance? > > Should I get a regular incandescent ceiling light > > fixture instead? > > Any advice is greatly appereciated. > > Thanks > > Javier > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Tue Sep 3 03:09:04 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:09:04 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Now if you want to build a kit .... In-Reply-To: <006001c252ba$ccbb0b00$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I'd check out the Audio Note parallel 300B kit; makes 18wpc...price looks right. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:56 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Now if you want to build a kit .... First if I were graham I'd play around with the Eico he has it and the transformers are very good so its a nice starting point but having said that if I were going to build a kit I'd look at the following: you'll need to use babelfish.altavista.com to translate the japanese to english. and the cost ranges from 1000.00 and up with an extra 250.00 for their assembly (us dollars) the kits are a mac 275 http://www.sunvalley-e.co.jp/kit/sv275/sv275.htm (1100.0) a marantz 8b http://www.sunvalley-e.co.jp/kit/c8b/c8b.htm (1000.00) there are a bunch more a PP845 set of monoblocs a300b based amp On one of my other lists the 275 was built with a really good recomendation have fun Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 3 03:19:54 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 21:19:54 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SS harshness question References: <20020902043803.21222.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D740E3A.368D44DF@rcn.com> Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi All > I'm looking for opinions. > How do most of you get the harshness out of early SS > amp designs? I've tried the usual stuff like signal > cap upgrades and matching transistors on some early > designs but would like to hear something a little > smoother. > Any Ideas? > Javier Most early SS designs utilized class B or AB output stages. These have crossover distortion (mostly, odd harmonics) that designers tryied to get rid of with large amounts of NFB. NFB is an excellent way of reducing distortion, but must be applied both carefully and skillfully -- neither of which was practiced by most designers. The end result was hard (almost, harsh) sounding amplifiers with lots of TIM. I think this applies to the first few generations, but is now in the past. Nowadays, all self respecting audio engineers understand the effects of xover distortion and TIM and understand how important stability considerations are. As to the question about what can be done with an existing amp to improve it, I'm afraid that the answer is 'not much'. Biasing an amp into deeper AB operation will reduce xover distortion, but also requires beefing up the power supply and increasing heat sinking of the output (and possibly, driver) devices. Modifying NFB circuit can further reduce already meager stability. The adventurous, though, can try the following: 1. Make sure all devices in balanced stages are reasonably well matched. Older amps may be way out of whack. 2. Make sure the power supply works as intended (all filter caps still close to original value and have low leakage. 3. Verify that bias is set correctly. If not, adjust and listen to see if the sound improved. If it was correct, increase bias slightly. Not by much, maybe 10%. Make sure the output devices do not get too hot after idling for, say, an hour. Replacing heat sinks with larger ones is usually impractical, but adding a small fan can do wonders. 4. Reduce NFB by a small amount. Listen carefully to see if this has reduced harshness, then view a 500Hz square wave at very high levels WITH A SPEAKER LOAD with a 'scope, to make sure the amp is still reasonably stable. If these do not sound and/or look good, revert to original NFB factor. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 03:33:57 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 21:33:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? References: <20020903003841.4246.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d201c252e9$f90afe20$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> the brand won't matter the wattage might if you increased it a lot but even that doesn't makes sense. the only answers that do are: the new tube is defective you haven't installed it right (make sure the bulb is fully seated at both ends) or the ballast coincidentally died at the same time as the old one trust me on this the balast is only related to the load if the bulbs are the same wattage they shouldn't flicker unless they or the balast are bad. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? > Thanks Warren > I just bought the right length. > Not sure if they are the correct type. > New ones were Philips old ones were GE! > They went dead without too much flickering but > the new ones do flicker. It may be both the wrong > tubes and the wrong balast! If I mix a Philips and a > GE they flicker a little brighter! Thanks again > See Ya > Javier > > --- Warren wrote: > > assuming you bought the same bulbs > > it siunds like the balast is shot. > > did you notice a lot of loud humm or flickering > > before the light died? > > in any case find the balast for the bulbs that are > > dead and disconect it and > > take it to homedepot or your local large > > hardware/lighting store > > and get a new one. > > ps warm bulbs make the food look better than the > > cold style > > new balasts are pretty cheap > > if you want to know how it works check out > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/fluorescent-lamp.htm > > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Javier Perez" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:01 PM > > Subject: [naktalk] OT: flourescent tubes??? > > > > > > > Hi > > > Sorry for the OT > > > I'm trying to replace the flourescent tubes in the > > > kitchen but the new ones don't work. Perhaps they > > are > > > the wrong type or the ballast might be bad. I know > > > next to nothing about the technology. What's the > > > ballast, it looks like a box with some sort of > > > inductor or transformer in it. How many types of > > tubes > > > are there of a given size requiring different > > > ballasts? How is ballast rated? Inductance? > > > Should I get a regular incandescent ceiling light > > > fixture instead? > > > Any advice is greatly appereciated. > > > Thanks > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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References: <20020902220125.88076.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D7412E1.D3487FF7@rcn.com> Javier Perez wrote: > > Hi > Sorry for the OT > I'm trying to replace the flourescent tubes in the > kitchen but the new ones don't work. Perhaps they are > the wrong type or the ballast might be bad. I know > next to nothing about the technology. What's the > ballast, it looks like a box with some sort of > inductor or transformer in it. How many types of tubes > are there of a given size requiring different > ballasts? How is ballast rated? Inductance? > Should I get a regular incandescent ceiling light > fixture instead? > Any advice is greatly appereciated. > Thanks > Javier Let's see if I still remember... The ballast is a choke. Off hand, I can't recall ever seeing a bad one. 1st, check for continuity across both tube filaments. 2nd, temporarily replace the starter with a known good one (from another fixture). 3rd, check for continuity across the ballast. 4th, turn power on and see if the filaments glow. If everything above checked OK, they should. If they do but the tube does not start, recheck the starter. If the starter clicks but the tube still does not start, replace the ballast. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 3 05:14:50 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:14:50 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Magnavox FD1040 Message-ID: <20020902.231506.-431945.4.josephj69@juno.com> You should ask Stephen to make sure. At least you got it cheap. - Joe On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Javier Perez writes: > Oh shit! > Please don't tell me that. > the Mac used a CDM-2 > Javier > > --- josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > I may be wrong here, but wasn't the FD1040 a 14 bit > > CDM1 based machine? > > I'm not sure what the Mac 7000 used. > > > > - Joe > > > > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Javier > > Perez > > writes: > > > Hi > > > > > > I'm not sure who pointed me to the CDM-2 based > > > machines because I blew all of my mailbox by > > > accident. Anyway, I just bought one - the Magnavox > > > FD1040. Will I be able to extract 2 boards that > > make > > > up the circuit pack and replace them on the Mac > > 7000? > > > > > > Here it is > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375804880 > > > > > > Does this look good? > > > > > > I'm hoping the problem is in the drive and the > > boards > > > are ok! > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Tue Sep 3 05:11:33 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:11:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: O.T./ Vinyl Buying Message-ID: <20020902.231506.-431945.3.josephj69@juno.com> I'm in North Providence, Rhode Island myself. How many of us are there in the "tri-state" area? - Joe On Mon, 02 Sep 2002 01:11:19 +0100 John Walker writes: > If MA is Massachusetts (as I suspect), then I could join in as well, > > next time I am over in the US. (October through December, I'm not > quite > sure yet.) How far from Boston? How far from Providence? > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > >On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 12:13:08 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hi, Bruno. We are practically neighbors (I live in > >>Framingham). My analog gear consists of a Nak CR-7 > >>and a ReVox B792 TT. > >> > >> > > > >We're getting close to enough to have a party - I'm in Billerica, > MA and > >have a CR-3A (and a CR-7A in a few days - it's travelling to me > from Florida > >at the moment in a UPS truck). > > > >Geoffrey Reynolds > > > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========---------------------------------------------------------------- --========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 07:34:39 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Fwd: Re: [Scott, H.H.] Using NAB Tape input with modern cassette decks (HHS 222D) Message-ID: <20020903053439.55407.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Here's one that was on the Scott list I answered it as best as I could but... --- Javier Perez wrote: > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 19:13:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: Javier Perez > Subject: Re: [Scott, H.H.] Using NAB Tape input with > modern cassette decks (HHS 222D) > To: HHSCOTT at hhscott.com, nalktalk at naks.com > > Ok I'm compleatly guessing here but since the > original > Philips/Norelco standard was probably derived from > the > slow tape standard and the tape formulas were about > the same, a cassete tape head should behave like an > old Reel to reel tape head but smaller. I'm guessing > that the tape head input on the Scott should be near > to what's required by the cassette head. IE: You may > just be able to hook it up, though some RCL tweaking > might be necessary for perfect equalization. The > gain > should be fine though for playback. I'm only > guessing > mind you. > Javier > > --- RyanCInman at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Has anyone ever tried to modify a modern day > > cassette player (Pioneer), so > > that it can be used with the NAB Tape input that > > most Scott amplifiers > > feature? The tape head input is very similar to > the > > phono input, except that > > the tape input uses NAB equalization. The input > has > > a rated input of 3 > > millivolts, but most cassette players today > feature > > a built in preamp, which > > raises the output to 500 millivolts. Obviously, > the > > 500 mV signal would > > overdrive the tape head input of the amplifier. > What > > would happen if the > > cassette players internal amplifier and equalizer > > are bypassed, and the > > output is taken directly from the playback head, > and > > fed directly into the > > NAB Tape input of the amplifier? I'm pretty sure > > that this will work, > > although the negative side of the tape head will > > probably need to be > > connected to a ground on the amplifier to > eliminate > > induced hum. > > > > The tape head preamplifier thats built into the > 222D > > probably sounds a hell > > of a lot better than the cheap, solid-state > > preamplifier thats built into the > > cassette deck. I'm not sure if the tape head alone > > will be enough to drive > > the NAB Tape input of the amplifier. If this is > the > > case, I'll build a small, > > low noise voltage amplifier consisting of two > > 5751's. Any opinions? > > > > Regards, > > Ryan > > ************************************ > > > > To UNSUBSRIBE from HHSCOTT list, send e-mail to: > > listserv at hhscott.com > > with the following in the BODY of the message: > > unsubscribe HHSCOTT > > See http://hhscott.com/unsubscr.htm > > > > ************************************ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ************************************ > > To UNSUBSRIBE from HHSCOTT list, send e-mail to: > listserv at hhscott.com > with the following in the BODY of the message: > unsubscribe HHSCOTT > See http://hhscott.com/unsubscr.htm > > ************************************ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 07:36:58 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:36:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Magnavox FD1040 In-Reply-To: <20020902.231506.-431945.4.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <20020903053658.26173.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Where is he anyway? I haven't seen any posts from him in awhile. --- josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > You should ask Stephen to make sure. > > At least you got it cheap. > > - Joe > > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:01:14 -0700 (PDT) Javier > Perez > writes: > > Oh shit! > > Please don't tell me that. > > the Mac used a CDM-2 > > Javier > > > > --- josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > I may be wrong here, but wasn't the FD1040 a 14 > bit > > > CDM1 based machine? > > > I'm not sure what the Mac 7000 used. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Javier > > > Perez > > > writes: > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I'm not sure who pointed me to the CDM-2 based > > > > machines because I blew all of my mailbox by > > > > accident. Anyway, I just bought one - the > Magnavox > > > > FD1040. Will I be able to extract 2 boards > that > > > make > > > > up the circuit pack and replace them on the > Mac > > > 7000? > > > > > > > > Here it is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1375804880 > > > > > > > > Does this look good? > > > > > > > > I'm hoping the problem is in the drive and the > > > boards > > > > are ok! > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hisself at ol-jim.com Tue Sep 3 13:18:38 2002 From: hisself at ol-jim.com (Ol' Jim, hisself) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 07:18:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word In-Reply-To: <005c01c251a6$987dd6c0$8beb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D74624E.14380.A3893BB@localhost> > > > > The idea that gun ownership is the best way of preventing > > criminality is a good one. > The idea that owning a gun in anyway protects you from crime is > totaly false. If what you state were true america would have the > lowest crime rate in the world not the highest. > Actually, the countries with the highest crime rate are all in Africa. In the western world, England far outpaces the United States in crime - specifically since they banned handguns, and outlawed self-defense. It seems that the English criminals don't obey the gun laws, and now that the government has created a country full of victims. . . Another country whose murder rate far exceeds that of the US is Australia - but only since they banned and confiscated firearms. Then there is Switzerland, where all able-bodies males are required to have a gun in the house. Minimal crime rate. And if you want to talk about the United States, why is it that New York City and Washington, D.C., which have, for all practical purposes, banned firearms, have a very high crime rate, whilst Florida, Vermont and others which allow unrestricted concealed carry have greatly reduced their crime rates??? One final point: the lowest crime rate in California is Orange County, which issues concealed carry permits. The highest rates are in those counties which do not! Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com An armed society is a polite society. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 3 17:05:17 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:05:17 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <3D722DAB.7060208@attbi.com> <3D723C94.ACFFD3D2@rcn.com> <3D724502.9000502@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <002c01c2535b$50e7e7e0$ce299bca@smarzuki> Ron, do you think Clearaudio's tangential arm also suffers VTA problem on warped records like Stephen mentioned ? I mean, exactly like ReVox's ? Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:50 AM Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not necessarily its sound quality, but the way it preserves LPs. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Sep 3 17:14:24 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:14:24 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word References: <3D74624E.14380.A3893BB@localhost> Message-ID: <3D74D1D0.8000903@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Jim I tried once to stop participating in this, but your arguments are wrong and need to be refuted. I'm sorry for all the rest of you who are plain bored. Where did you get your figures? The NRA World Traveller's Guide? If you look at the file www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb601.pdf, you will find that London averaged 2.4 murders per 100,000 people, compared to Washington DC with over 50. New York was surprisingly 'low' at 9.4, but still more than three times the London rate. If I take the US total number of murders (15517) for year 2000 from the US Department of Justice web-site, and divide by 250 million US citizens, I get a US murder rate of 6.2, which is well over double that of London. I cannot find figures for the UK asa whole, but I would expect the UK average rate to be significantly lower than London's. Remember that London is a big, big city, with all the urban deprivation, gangs and drug problems. The DoJ state that firearms were involved in 66% of the US murders. Sydney's murder rate is about one quarter of the US national average. Interestingly, Berne outstripped London by a significant amount, although Geneva fell below 1 per 100, 000. We have never, ever owned guns on a large scale in the UK - we have never shared the US concept of self-defence through gun ownership. Banning firearms has affected a very small number of people (you needed to have a good reason to own one before they were banned) and has proved very popular. Our government clearly has *not* created a nation of victims through this measure. We do have a problem with violence and street crime (you will see that violent crime rose by 20% over the period of the report), but this tends to be non-fatal because lethal weapons are much less common. Street crime involving guns is incredibly rare in the UK- the one exception being shootings between different drug gangs. I would guess that New York and Washington have much higher levels of urban poverty, which leads to drug problems and violent crime. That would be my guess why their crime rates are higher than prosperous areas like Florida,Vermont and Orange County. The same has to be true of Switzerland (even though the jury is out on whether Switzerland is a violent place or not). New York and London are similar sized cities, with similar underlying problems that lead to crime. But over 2000 New Yorkers are murdered per year, compared to just over 500 Londoners. I would contend that this stark difference has arisen purely because one nation has embraced the gun culture (and cannot let it go), while the other has never had the culture to start with. John Walker Looking forward to ending this tedious thread. Ol' Jim, hisself wrote: >> >>The idea that gun ownership is the best way of preventing >> >> >>>criminality is a good one. >>> >>> >>The idea that owning a gun in anyway protects you from crime is >>totaly false. If what you state were true america would have the >>lowest crime rate in the world not the highest. >> >> >> > >Actually, the countries with the highest crime rate are all in Africa. In the >western world, England far outpaces the United States in crime - >specifically since they banned handguns, and outlawed self-defense. It >seems that the English criminals don't obey the gun laws, and now that >the government has created a country full of victims. . . > >Another country whose murder rate far exceeds that of the US is >Australia - but only since they banned and confiscated firearms. > >Then there is Switzerland, where all able-bodies males are required to >have a gun in the house. Minimal crime rate. > >And if you want to talk about the United States, why is it that New York >City and Washington, D.C., which have, for all practical purposes, >banned firearms, have a very high crime rate, whilst Florida, Vermont >and others which allow unrestricted concealed carry have greatly >reduced their crime rates??? > >One final point: the lowest crime rate in California is Orange County, >which issues concealed carry permits. The highest rates are in those >counties which do not! > >Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida >hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > >An armed society is a polite society. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Sep 3 17:38:41 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:38:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Vermont Prosperous? In-Reply-To: <200209031359.PAA30697@zebra.naks.com> References: <200209031359.PAA30697@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:14:24 +0100, John Walker wrote: >I would guess that New York and Washington have much higher levels of >urban poverty, which leads to drug problems and violent crime. That >would be my guess why their crime rates are higher than prosperous areas >like Florida,Vermont and Orange County. I definitely wouldn't consider most of Vermont prosperous. OTOH, they don't have much that would qualify as urban areas, which keeps the people further away from each other, most likely reducing the crime rate :). -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Tue Sep 3 17:40:41 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 11:40:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D74D7F9.24E16843@warwick.net> LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate 'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? Bill John Walker wrote: > > Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can > pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This > is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it > though.... > > John Walker, lives it and breathes it, as well as drinking it > > El Magnifico wrote: > > >You got that right, Gra. I was thinking in Kentucky instead of Scotland. > > > >Carlos > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Graham Nelson" > >To: > >Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 8:57 AM > >Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > > > > > > >>Carlos > >> > >>It's a single malt called The Balvenie and, as it's Scottish, it's a > >> > >> > >whisky not a whiskey! ;o) > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: El Magnifico [SMTP:copytec at coqui.net] > >>Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 2:37 PM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Gun control - Graham's last word ...for your > >> > >> > >amusement, some satire!! ;o) > > > > > >>Hey Gra! Where you got that whiskey ????? Send me some by e.mail, in HTML > >>please ... > >> > >>Carlos > >> > >> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 18:23:58 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:23:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word References: <3D74624E.14380.A3893BB@localhost> Message-ID: <017201c25366$4eb5c4a0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> And my last word as well I would rather discuss transformers than statistics but ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ol' Jim, hisself" > > Actually, the countries with the highest crime rate are all in Africa. In the > western world, England far outpaces the United States in crime - > specifically since they banned handguns, and outlawed self-defense. It > seems that the English criminals don't obey the gun laws, and now that > the government has created a country full of victims. . . One has to be carefull with statistics first of all all countries classify crimes differently. Second of all the type of crime is important. shoplifiting is not the same as a drive by shooting. Yes as a whole england's crime rate is (or maybe was) increasing at a higher rate than the United States. But since we are talking guns and therefore murder the same increase doesn't hold. The USA's murder rate is 6 times higher than the UK's. > Another country whose murder rate far exceeds that of the US is > Australia - but only since they banned and confiscated firearms. Well this is a neat statistic the murder rates per 100,000 are as follows USA 5.5, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada 1.8. Now unless my math is bad that puts the usa at a rate 3 times higher than OZ > > Then there is Switzerland, where all able-bodies males are required to > have a gun in the house. Minimal crime rate. Well minimal crime rate unless you count the shooting deaths of government officials. And the murder rate is higher than Oz, NZ or Canada (2.1 vs 1.8) > > And if you want to talk about the United States, why is it that New York > City and Washington, D.C., which have, for all practical purposes, > banned firearms, Well they have stronger laws on the books but its not hard to buy guns in New York. have a very high crime rate, whilst Florida, Vermont > and others which allow unrestricted concealed carry have greatly > reduced their crime rates??? Well lets look at the homicide trends for those states you mentioned here's a fun quote from Bureau of Justice: The southern regions historically have had higher homicide rates than other regions Rates of murder, and especially those involving guns, are higher in southern regions of the United States--in the South Atlantic, East South Central, and, especially, the West South Central regions For over 20 years, the rates in the Pacific region were above average; in 1998 they fell below the national norm About average rates are also found in other urbanized regions, specifically the Middle Atlantic and East North Central regions Relatively low rates exist in the New England, Mountain, and West North Central regions here is a breakdown by region (per 100,000) NE 2.5 MA 4.6 ENC 5.9 WNC 3.3 SA 4.8 ESC 7.0 WSC 6.9 MT 6.1 PA 5.2 US Total 5.7 I have listed the states in each section a the end of this post but note the highest rates are in Central Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas hardly states known for their strict gun control. > One final point: the lowest crime rate in California is Orange County, > which issues concealed carry permits. The highest rates are in those > counties which do not! interesting fact Anaheim has the highest percentage of homicides by gun in all of California (1999) Orange counties murder rate is low for the state of california still at least 12 counties were lower. Neat fact both Napa with a rate of 0 and Sonoma with a rate of 1 were much lower (Orange is 2.1). Maybe growing wines and not guns leads to less crime. Orange counties total crime rate is low as well, but its a small county and its still not the lowest in California by Far > > Ol' Jim, hisself Enjoyin' the Space Coast of Florida > hisself at ol-jim.com http://www.ol-jim.com > > An armed society is a polite society. A couple of final revisions the accidental death rate in The US for 1998 was .3 per 100,000 thats 720 deaths not 14 (guns of course not endlessly posting about gun control on naktalk I fear that rate maybe higher) The USA is roughly 9 times the size of Canada Americans own 30 times the number of Guns as Canadians and 63 times the number of hand guns The city of Toronto which is about the same size as LA and larger than Detroit Washington and Boston had 85 murders in 1995 , LA had 849, Washington had 365, Detroit had 475 and Boston had 96 (boston is 3 times smaller than Toronto) New York had 1177 (ny is 3x Toronto) (I could adjust the figures to relate to actual population but they won't be better for the USA just worse) And finally Canada has a whole only had 575 murders there must be something to gun control or maybe Canadians are living in a feudal society. (but at least their living) Warren Just living on the beach Gun free and strangely enough crime free in South Florida An educated society is a safe society and music is more fun than guns > New England Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Vermont Middle Atlantic New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania East North Central Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin West North Central Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota South Atlantic Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia East South Central Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Tennessee West South Central Arkansas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Texas Mountain Arizona, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah, Wyoming Pacific Alaska, California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 18:37:51 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:37:51 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D74D7F9.24E16843@warwick.net> Message-ID: <017c01c25368$3f0cc1a0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> > > Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can > > pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This > > is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it > > though.... it translates as 'St Mary's church in the hollow of the white hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the church of St Tysilio of the red cave' http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A403642 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Tue Sep 3 18:40:22 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word In-Reply-To: <3D74624E.14380.A3893BB@localhost> Message-ID: Jim, > One final point: the lowest crime rate in California is Orange County, > which issues concealed carry permits. The highest rates are in those > counties which do not! As John Walker pointed out, the difference here is poverty. Orange County is (mostly) wealthy and white. The areas of Los Angeles that have high crime rates are extremely poor. Why are the poor areas of Los Angeles poor? Among other reasons, economic policies crafted by greedy politicians and businessmen to keep it that way. Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 18:51:15 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:51:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <3D722DAB.7060208@attbi.com> <3D723C94.ACFFD3D2@rcn.com> <3D724502.9000502@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> <002c01c2535b$50e7e7e0$ce299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <01ea01c2536a$1e995800$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> The souther arm suffers from tracking problems period, if its not clean and its not slanted downward towards the spindle it mistracks. My gut feeling having watched it enough times in action is that with warps the stylus compresses against the cartridge. The only linear tracker I have really liked is the audio tangent I have never got to play with the rockport one though. And I think that the ET is much better too. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying > > Ron, do you think Clearaudio's tangential arm also suffers VTA problem on > warped records like Stephen mentioned ? I mean, exactly like ReVox's ? > > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:50 AM > > Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was > stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing > it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not > necessarily its sound quality, but the way it > preserves LPs. > > -- Ron > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From erikvcl at silcom.com Tue Sep 3 18:57:26 2002 From: erikvcl at silcom.com (Erik Lotspeich) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 09:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] The Second Amendment Message-ID: Hi, There is a point that none of you have made so far. This is the actual text of the second Amendment: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. The United States Supreme Court has held (and continues to hold) that the second amendment protects "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". The Supreme Court has NEVER held that the Second Amendment gives the right to bear arms to individuals -- this is a common misperception. This is why gun control laws are legal. Think about it -- if the Second Amendment truly gave the right to bear arms to individuals, then gun control would be illegal. The right for individuals to bear arms in the United States is a privledge, not a right. It is a privledge because individuals are not "a well-regulated militia". At any time, it would be legal for the government to ban guns altogether using the Second Amendment as a reason. I know that many of you are going to come back and tell me that during colonial times that people were the militia and that this holds true today. If you really believe this, then argue with the Supreme Court, not with me. I'm sorry to stir the pot again, but I am surprised at how few Americans know of the true implications of the Second Amendment or how the Supreme Court has viewed it. Thanks, Erik. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 3 19:10:38 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:10:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <3D722DAB.7060208@attbi.com> <3D723C94.ACFFD3D2@rcn.com> <3D724502.9000502@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D72536B.ECB2FAA9@rcn.com> <002c01c2535b$50e7e7e0$ce299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D74ED0E.17A36C09@rcn.com> VTA is correct as adjusted only for one cartridge height. A warped record changes the height, and therefore, the VTA, during each record revolution. By how much, depends on the horizontal arm pivot to stylus tip distance, vs. the change in height. All this is simple geometry. Tangential arms have a very short pivot to stylus tip distance and therefore 'suffer' from this effect more than long arms. The question is whether VTA change is audible. Theoretically, VTA error increases distortion. However, even by theory, this effect is very small; to my ear, inaudible. If it were audible, it would manifest itself as a cyclical effect, approximately 560mS apart. It doesn't. There are other effects, more severe, that are caused by warped records. One of the best things about the Shure cartridges is how well their damped brush deals with these effects. OTOH, tangential arms eliminate tracking error distortion. Conventional arms that minimize this effect (but never eliminate it) are fairly expensive. Bottom line: I tend to agree with Stephen that the ReVox does not bring out inner detail as well as, say, my old favorite Garrard 401 plus SME 3009 arm. However, the ReVox is by no means a slouch. It just isn't quite as good. The main advantage of the ReVox arm (and any other good motor driven arm) is that it all but eliminates record wear. In effect, it simulates a zero mass arm for slow movements (such as the arm moving across the record) with a large mass arm for fast movement (such as undulations of the groove). To me, this compensates for any minuscule sonic shortcomings. YMMV. -- Ron Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Ron, do you think Clearaudio's tangential arm also suffers VTA problem on > warped records like Stephen mentioned ? I mean, exactly like ReVox's ? > > Salim SM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 12:50 AM > > Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was > stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing > it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not > necessarily its sound quality, but the way it > preserves LPs. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 19:14:19 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 13:14:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D74D7F9.24E16843@warwick.net> <017c01c25368$3f0cc1a0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <022f01c2536d$5723cd60$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> I have called the mayor of my town and asked them to rename it Saint Palm of Beach South where the Nakamichi's gently play in the waves as the ocean laps in analogue to the music. can you translate this into gaelic for me it would look nice above the new seal which is a knight ridding on a gold 1000xl dueling with a knight on a cd player ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > > Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can > > > pronounce Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This > > > is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it > > > though.... > > it translates as 'St Mary's church in the hollow of the white hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the church of St Tysilio of the red > cave' > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A403642 > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 19:20:31 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:20:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos In-Reply-To: <3D74D7F9.24E16843@warwick.net> Message-ID: <001301c2536e$349fefc0$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Bill The phonetic pronunciation of Welsh words is beyond the English language ... which is probably why it's the Welsh language and not English!! And it generally defies the delicate English tongue ... for example, the "Ll" at the start of the town's name (which is commonly found in many Welsh town names) is pronounced by making a noise much like you would if trying to remove to flem from your throat but with your tongue rolled to the back of your mouth.... Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bill Wheatley > Sent: 03 September 2002 16:41 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of > those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate > 'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? > Bill > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 19:20:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:20:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word In-Reply-To: <017201c25366$4eb5c4a0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001401c2536e$38af0f60$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> If I see another posting about guns I'm gonna buy me one and start shooting people ... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 19:26:19 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:26:19 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] The Second Amendment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001501c2536f$04406700$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Damned troublesome colony - we should have never let them win the war and have their independence ... George (King) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Erik Lotspeich > Sent: 03 September 2002 17:57 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] The Second Amendment > > > Hi, > > There is a point that none of you have made so far. This is the actual > text of the second Amendment: > > A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free > state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be > infringed. > > The United States Supreme Court has held (and continues to hold) that the > second amendment protects "A well regulated militia, being necessary to > the security of a free state". The Supreme Court has NEVER held that the > Second Amendment gives the right to bear arms to individuals -- this is a > common misperception. This is why gun control laws are legal. Think > about it -- if the Second Amendment truly gave the right to bear arms to > individuals, then gun control would be illegal. > > The right for individuals to bear arms in the United States is a > privledge, not a right. It is a privledge because individuals are not "a > well-regulated militia". At any time, it would be legal for the > government to ban guns altogether using the Second Amendment as a reason. > > I know that many of you are going to come back and tell me that during > colonial times that people were the militia and that this holds true > today. If you really believe this, then argue with the Supreme Court, not > with me. > > I'm sorry to stir the pot again, but I am surprised at how few Americans > know of the true implications of the Second Amendment or how the Supreme > Court has viewed it. > > Thanks, > > Erik. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 19:31:31 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:31:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying In-Reply-To: <3D74ED0E.17A36C09@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001601c2536f$bde87a80$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Ron Speaking of the Shure dampening brush, the hinge of it on my VST V is so stiff that the blighter lifts the stylus right off the record even if there is the slightest warp. I'm reluctant to experiment with lubricants 'cos that stylus cost me a lot of $s! Any recommendations? G > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 03 September 2002 18:11 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying > > > > VTA is correct as adjusted only for one cartridge height. > A warped record changes the height, and therefore, the > VTA, during each record revolution. By how much, depends > on the horizontal arm pivot to stylus tip distance, vs. > the change in height. All this is simple geometry. > > Tangential arms have a very short pivot to stylus tip > distance and therefore 'suffer' from this effect more > than long arms. The question is whether VTA change is > audible. Theoretically, VTA error increases distortion. > However, even by theory, this effect is very small; to > my ear, inaudible. If it were audible, it would manifest > itself as a cyclical effect, approximately 560mS apart. > It doesn't. > > There are other effects, more severe, that are caused by > warped records. One of the best things about the Shure > cartridges is how well their damped brush deals with > these effects. > > OTOH, tangential arms eliminate tracking error distortion. > Conventional arms that minimize this effect (but never > eliminate it) are fairly expensive. > > Bottom line: I tend to agree with Stephen that the ReVox > does not bring out inner detail as well as, say, my old > favorite Garrard 401 plus SME 3009 arm. However, the > ReVox is by no means a slouch. It just isn't quite as > good. > > The main advantage of the ReVox arm (and any other good > motor driven arm) is that it all but eliminates record > wear. In effect, it simulates a zero mass arm for slow > movements (such as the arm moving across the record) > with a large mass arm for fast movement (such as > undulations of the groove). To me, this compensates for > any minuscule sonic shortcomings. YMMV. > > -- Ron > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 19:31:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:31:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos In-Reply-To: <022f01c2536d$5723cd60$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001701c2536f$c2118ac0$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> ROFLOL!!! Brilliant, Warren!!! Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: 03 September 2002 18:14 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > I have called the mayor of my town and asked them to rename it > Saint Palm of Beach South where the Nakamichi's gently play in the > waves as the ocean laps in analogue to the music. > can you translate this into gaelic for me it would look nice above > the new seal which is a knight ridding on a gold 1000xl dueling with > a knight on a cd player > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > > > > > > > Whilst on the topic of Gaelic languages, did you know that I can > > > > pronounce > Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerwchyrndrobwllantysiliogogogoch? (This > > > > is a real place in Wales.) I don't know how I'm going to prove it > > > > though.... > > > > it translates as 'St Mary's church in the hollow of the white > hazel near a rapid whirlpool and the church of St Tysilio of the > red > > cave' > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/h2g2/guide/A403642 > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Tue Sep 3 19:44:51 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 10:44:51 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? References: <01C251C8.05264B60.graham@nelson3.freeserve.co.uk> <001301c251ec$1abc6080$42312ac4@CopyTech> <3D726570.3000006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D74D7F9.24E16843@warwick.net> Message-ID: <001901c25371$9b309f20$3db5b742@pii366custom> Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Fond Memories! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjw at warwick.net Tue Sep 3 20:03:55 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 14:03:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos References: <001301c2536e$349fefc0$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D74F98B.3AC529B0@warwick.net> I think I've got the 'Ll' sound down, John- sounds like what I do every morning. Bill Graham Nelson wrote: > > Bill > > The phonetic pronunciation of Welsh words is beyond the English language ... > which is probably why it's the Welsh language and not English!! And it > generally defies the delicate English tongue ... for example, the "Ll" at > the start of the town's name (which is commonly found in many Welsh town > names) is pronounced by making a noise much like you would if trying to > remove to flem from your throat but with your tongue rolled to the back of > your mouth.... > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Bill Wheatley > > Sent: 03 September 2002 16:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > > > LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of > > those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate > > 'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? > > Bill > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 20:11:09 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:11:09 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] The Second Amendment References: <001501c2536f$04406700$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <025501c25375$477dc8e0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> Look at this way Graham its another reason to blame the french :-) As for the shure are you shure there's not some junk drying out the brush? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] The Second Amendment > Damned troublesome colony - we should have never let them win the war and > have their independence ... > > George (King) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 3 20:15:41 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:15:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <001601c2536f$bde87a80$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <028501c25375$e9b61ae0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> don't use any lubricant its not sex, its lps seriously I'd try some stylus cleaner on the hinge. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:31 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying > Ron > > Speaking of the Shure dampening brush, the hinge of it on my VST V is so > stiff that the blighter lifts the stylus right off the record even if there > is the slightest warp. I'm reluctant to experiment with lubricants 'cos > that stylus cost me a lot of $s! Any recommendations? > > G > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Tue Sep 3 20:18:24 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:18:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Message-ID: Well said Roland! Kent Somewhere in central Indiana, where the Wigwam still stands. >>> roleo at telus.net 09/03/02 12:44PM >>> Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Fond Memories! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 20:30:41 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:30:41 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Welsh noises In-Reply-To: <3D74F98B.3AC529B0@warwick.net> Message-ID: <002b01c25378$024432c0$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Bill Just to put this back "on topic" would you record that for us on a Nakamichi, please? Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Bill Wheatley > Sent: 03 September 2002 19:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > I think I've got the 'Ll' sound down, John- sounds like what I do every > morning. > Bill > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Bill > > > > The phonetic pronunciation of Welsh words is beyond the English > language ... > > which is probably why it's the Welsh language and not English!! And it > > generally defies the delicate English tongue ... for example, > the "Ll" at > > the start of the town's name (which is commonly found in many Welsh town > > names) is pronounced by making a noise much like you would if trying to > > remove to flem from your throat but with your tongue rolled to > the back of > > your mouth.... > > > > Gra' > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Bill Wheatley > > Sent: 03 September 2002 16:41 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > > > > > LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of > > those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate > > 'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? > > Bill > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Tue Sep 3 20:52:08 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:52:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word References: <001401c2536e$38af0f60$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <011d01c2537b$01c27840$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> 10-4 on that, enough already. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Gun control - my last word > If I see another posting about guns I'm gonna buy me one and start shooting > people ... > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 3 21:14:46 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 12:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Electrolytes then and now In-Reply-To: <028501c25375$e9b61ae0$adec3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20020903191446.73609.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> As many of you may have noticed Electrolytic caps have gotten smaller and smaller over the years. A cap of a given capacitance, temperature and voltage rating from say 1967 which was the size of a 45ACP is now smaller than a 22 short. I was wondrering if these smaller modern caps are reallly equal to the older ones in terms of reliability and stability. I've often wondered if the elctronics industry in the name of miniatuzization has sacrificed something - perhaps spike or ripple handling capabilities. I play it safe. When capacitance is critical I sub it with the highest voltage and temperature device I can find of the same can size. Normally it has a voltage rating 3 or 4 times higher. Does anyone have any info on this? Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Tue Sep 3 21:25:51 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:25:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? In-Reply-To: <001901c25371$9b309f20$3db5b742@pii366custom> Message-ID: Roland - what is Nakamichi, are they making guns too? [LOL] Sorry, I couldn't resist the sarcasm too ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Tue, September 03, 2002 12:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Fond Memories! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Tue Sep 3 21:37:38 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:37:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Enough, already References: <001401c2536e$38af0f60$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D750F82.6070101@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Can I second Wild Graham Hicock on this? I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this - it has increased my perception and understanding, and I hope that we have managed to deal with an emotive topic in a reasonably balanced and mature way. I hope that we can agree to differ, and get back to the primary topic. Graham - where are you going to get a gun? And even if you did, you would probably just blow all your speakers away, *again*! :-D Graham Nelson wrote: >If I see another posting about guns I'm gonna buy me one and start shooting >people ... > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 3 21:48:04 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 15:48:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying References: <001601c2536f$bde87a80$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D7511F4.AC9B1230@rcn.com> Never had this problem, in all the years I've been using Shure cartridges. As you know, except at the end points, the brush should be very easy to move and slowly drop if lifted (probably, due to a tiny drop of silicon fluid at the pivot points). I wouldn't let it near a record until this was corrected. But if you must, raise the brush to its retaining position and play without it (readjust VTF, of course. When operational, the brush takes about 1/2 gram). Very far from ideal, but at least won't harm your warped LPs as much. Of course, it's easy to say, replace the stylus. But since this it what it amounts to unless the problem is fixed, I would take a risk and try to clean the area around the pivot points with a soft artist brush. If this doesn't work, I would dip the brush in head cleaner fluid (first, experimenting in a non-critical area, to make sure it doesn't dissolve the plastic), until the brush drops freely. I would then place a tiny (wee, minute, diminutive, lilliputian) amount of high viscosity fluid (the type used on arm lowering mechanisms) at the pivot area. Needless to say, too much is not good. The brush should take about 1 Sec to drop. Good luck -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron > > Speaking of the Shure dampening brush, the hinge of it on my VST V is so > stiff that the blighter lifts the stylus right off the record even if there > is the slightest warp. I'm reluctant to experiment with lubricants 'cos > that stylus cost me a lot of $s! Any recommendations? > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: 03 September 2002 18:11 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying > > > > > > > > VTA is correct as adjusted only for one cartridge height. > > A warped record changes the height, and therefore, the > > VTA, during each record revolution. By how much, depends > > on the horizontal arm pivot to stylus tip distance, vs. > > the change in height. All this is simple geometry. > > > > Tangential arms have a very short pivot to stylus tip > > distance and therefore 'suffer' from this effect more > > than long arms. The question is whether VTA change is > > audible. Theoretically, VTA error increases distortion. > > However, even by theory, this effect is very small; to > > my ear, inaudible. If it were audible, it would manifest > > itself as a cyclical effect, approximately 560mS apart. > > It doesn't. > > > > There are other effects, more severe, that are caused by > > warped records. One of the best things about the Shure > > cartridges is how well their damped brush deals with > > these effects. > > > > OTOH, tangential arms eliminate tracking error distortion. > > Conventional arms that minimize this effect (but never > > eliminate it) are fairly expensive. > > > > Bottom line: I tend to agree with Stephen that the ReVox > > does not bring out inner detail as well as, say, my old > > favorite Garrard 401 plus SME 3009 arm. However, the > > ReVox is by no means a slouch. It just isn't quite as > > good. > > > > The main advantage of the ReVox arm (and any other good > > motor driven arm) is that it all but eliminates record > > wear. In effect, it simulates a zero mass arm for slow > > movements (such as the arm moving across the record) > > with a large mass arm for fast movement (such as > > undulations of the groove). To me, this compensates for > > any minuscule sonic shortcomings. YMMV. > > > > -- Ron > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John, still unable to get back OT Graham Nelson wrote: >Bill > >Just to put this back "on topic" would you record that for us on a >Nakamichi, please? > >Gra' > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Bill Wheatley >>Sent: 03 September 2002 19:04 >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos >> >> >>I think I've got the 'Ll' sound down, John- sounds like what I do every >>morning. >> Bill >> >>Graham Nelson wrote: >> >> >>>Bill >>> >>>The phonetic pronunciation of Welsh words is beyond the English >>> >>> >>language ... >> >> >>>which is probably why it's the Welsh language and not English!! And it >>>generally defies the delicate English tongue ... for example, >>> >>> >>the "Ll" at >> >> >>>the start of the town's name (which is commonly found in many Welsh town >>>names) is pronounced by making a noise much like you would if trying to >>>remove to flem from your throat but with your tongue rolled to >>> >>> >>the back of >> >> >>>your mouth.... >>> >>>Gra' >>> >>> >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com >>>> >>>> >[mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > >>>Bill Wheatley >>>Sent: 03 September 2002 16:41 >>>To: naktalk at naks.com >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos >>> >>> >>>LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of >>>those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate >>>'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 >> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 3 22:03:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:03:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Welsh noises In-Reply-To: <3D75129B.4040605@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002f01c25384$eba45880$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Isn't "flem" the US spelling? Just didn't want to make it difficult ... ;o) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 03 September 2002 20:51 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welsh noises > > > It is pronounced: > sound+l>an-vire-poogwingidroboo legm-sound+l>antisiliogogogo > where is a bit like the way the Germans pronounce 'ch', > as in JFK's famous statement to the populace of Berlin: 'Ich bin ein > Berliner'. > > Apparently, JFK's statement meant 'I am a cake', and caused much > puzzlement. > > John, still unable to get back OT > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >Bill > > > >Just to put this back "on topic" would you record that for us on a > >Nakamichi, please? > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>Bill Wheatley > >>Sent: 03 September 2002 19:04 > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > >> > >> > >>I think I've got the 'Ll' sound down, John- sounds like what I do every > >>morning. > >> Bill > >> > >>Graham Nelson wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Bill > >>> > >>>The phonetic pronunciation of Welsh words is beyond the English > >>> > >>> > >>language ... > >> > >> > >>>which is probably why it's the Welsh language and not English!! And it > >>>generally defies the delicate English tongue ... for example, > >>> > >>> > >>the "Ll" at > >> > >> > >>>the start of the town's name (which is commonly found in many > Welsh town > >>>names) is pronounced by making a noise much like you would if trying to > >>>remove to flem from your throat but with your tongue rolled to > >>> > >>> > >>the back of > >> > >> > >>>your mouth.... > >>> > >>>Gra' > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > >>>> > >>>> > >[mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > >>>Bill Wheatley > >>>Sent: 03 September 2002 16:41 > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > >>> > >>> > >>>LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of > >>>those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate > >>>'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? > >>> Bill > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>--- > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------== > >======= > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >> > >> > >> > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------== > >======= > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------== > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------== > >======= > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > ---------========= > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 3 22:15:59 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:15:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Electrolytes then and now References: <20020903191446.73609.qmail@web10507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D75187F.4295E420@rcn.com> Modern electrolytic caps are better that they were 30 years ago, due to improvements in materials and processing methods. The improvement of Capacity to Volume ratio did not come at the expense of quality. Electrolytics are not 'high performance' caps. This is obvious, from their specs. Their advantage is the high capacity per volume. Going for higher voltage ratings improves reliability, but not performance. To get higher performance, you can pay more (usually, a lot more) for better caps. They are not suitable for high frequency coupling and only so-so for audio. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > As many of you may have noticed Electrolytic caps have > gotten smaller and smaller over the years. A cap of a > given capacitance, temperature and voltage rating from > say 1967 which was the size of a 45ACP is now smaller > than a 22 short. I was wondrering if these smaller > modern caps are reallly equal to the older ones in > terms of reliability and stability. I've often > wondered if the elctronics industry in the name of > miniatuzization has sacrificed something - perhaps > spike or ripple handling capabilities. I play it safe. > When capacitance is critical I sub it with the highest > voltage and temperature device I can find of the same > can size. Normally it has a voltage rating 3 or 4 > times higher. Does anyone have any info on this? > Javier ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 4 00:50:35 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:50:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Thorens In-Reply-To: <3D75187F.4295E420@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003101c2539c$50f48180$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> I'm renovating a Thorens TD124 but I'm no good at carpentry or stone cutting! Any recommendations as to where I can get a nice base unit made with matching arm board(s)?? Graham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Tue Sep 3 05:38:45 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 23:38:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] SS harshness question References: <20020902043803.21222.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D742EC2.3FAD8BED@snet.net> The real answer is to try to steer away from most of the first and second generation solid state gear. There are notable exceptions like the early McIntosh amps, but most of the gear will be inherently rough by virtue of the fundamental design. Not much you can do there! Ed Javier Perez wrote: > Hi All > I'm looking for opinions. > How do most of you get the harshness out of early SS > amp designs? I've tried the usual stuff like signal > cap upgrades and matching transistors on some early > designs but would like to hear something a little > smoother. > Any Ideas? > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: Tue, September 03, 2002 12:45 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Fond Memories! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From c123666 at earthlink.net Wed Sep 4 03:56:01 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:56:01 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] hafler vs scott fisher citation et all In-Reply-To: <007401c252bd$5cd5b080$a8ea3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: anybody with expertise on a scott lk150 amp? Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:15 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] hafler vs scott fisher citation et all The advantage of the St70 over the other amos as I see it is because the ST70 (haffler) was the biggest selling tube amp of all time there are tons of them around to play with. There are a lot of mods available including a popular board from triode electronics and for plain fun more bastardizations of theis amp than any other, Float around ebay and you will see more idiotic mods to this amp especially from a saftey stand point than anything else. But I digress I think there are better amps the EICO's certainly the citation 2 any of the better Marantz's (9, 8b) and some of the fisher and scotts but none of these are available for under $100.00 all the parts including the transformers are available for the dynaco to so if you break it its easily fixed. check out triode electronics website Ned has a ton of info on tubes, amps and great links for all the old stuff. http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/index.html specifically http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/ottriodpag.html (neat stuff) http://www.triodeel.com/schindex.htm (schematics) http://www.triodeel.com/tubedata.htm (tube stuff) http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/dynacoupgrades.html dynaco http://www.triodeel.com/dynaco.html (dynaco) Ned's a cool guy just don't get him started on beer Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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It's a prized unit BTW: Javier --- Carl C wrote: > anybody with expertise on a scott lk150 amp? > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 1:15 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] hafler vs scott fisher citation > et all > > > The advantage of the St70 over the other amos as I > see it is > because the ST70 (haffler) was the biggest selling > tube amp of > all time there are tons of them around to play with. > There are a lot of mods available including a > popular board from > triode electronics and for plain fun more > bastardizations of theis amp > than any other, > Float around ebay and you will see more idiotic mods > to this amp > especially from a saftey stand point than anything > else. > But I digress I think there are better amps the > EICO's certainly the > citation 2 any of the better Marantz's (9, 8b) and > some of > the fisher and scotts but none of these are > available for under $100.00 > all the parts including the transformers are > available for the dynaco to so > if > you break it its easily fixed. > check out triode electronics website Ned has a ton > of info on tubes, amps > and great links for all the old stuff. > http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/index.html > specifically > http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/ottriodpag.html > (neat stuff) > http://www.triodeel.com/schindex.htm (schematics) > http://www.triodeel.com/tubedata.htm (tube stuff) > http://store.yahoo.com/triodeel/dynacoupgrades.html > dynaco > http://www.triodeel.com/dynaco.html (dynaco) > Ned's a cool guy just don't get him started on beer > Warren > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 4 05:43:25 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 04:43:25 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003901c253c5$3943c2c0$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> The best way to invade Iraq is ... theoretically ... whilst relaxing in favourite chair, listening to favourite music on favourite Nak! -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Carl C Sent: 04 September 2002 01:58 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? Perhaps we should start debating the merits of HOW to invade Iraq.......music is more fun and gunshots drown out jerry's guitarwork...... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Javier Perez" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: [naktalk] Electrolytes then and now > As many of you may have noticed Electrolytic caps have > gotten smaller and smaller over the years. A cap of a > given capacitance, temperature and voltage rating from > say 1967 which was the size of a 45ACP is now smaller > than a 22 short. I was wondrering if these smaller > modern caps are reallly equal to the older ones in > terms of reliability and stability. I've often > wondered if the elctronics industry in the name of > miniatuzization has sacrificed something - perhaps > spike or ripple handling capabilities. I play it safe. > When capacitance is critical I sub it with the highest > voltage and temperature device I can find of the same > can size. Normally it has a voltage rating 3 or 4 > times higher. Does anyone have any info on this? > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Wed Sep 4 12:02:30 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 03:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? In-Reply-To: <003901c253c5$3943c2c0$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <20020904100230.63015.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Hmm I don't really see it happening. If it does the Iraqis will fight tooth and nail this time. I don't see the Russians sitting it out on this one either they may offer help in the form of satellite data, something they didn't do last time. Also, there may be more Russians on the ground coordinating the thing. Or should I say choreographing. And if worse comes to worse for the Iraqis, they'll empty out their NBC arsenal on the nearest possible targets. Whatever happpens no good can come of it. Javier --- Graham Nelson wrote: > The best way to invade Iraq is ... theoretically ... > whilst relaxing in > favourite chair, listening to favourite music on > favourite Nak! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Carl C > Sent: 04 September 2002 01:58 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remember the good old days > when this used to be about > Nakamichi? > > > Perhaps we should start debating the merits of HOW > to invade > Iraq.......music is more fun and gunshots drown out > jerry's guitarwork...... > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release > Date: 21/08/02 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 4 14:25:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:25:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Remember the good old days when this used to be about Nakamichi? References: <20020904100230.63015.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D75FBBA.AE25A194@rcn.com> Seems to me, the decision should be based on US long term goals (as opposed to the short term goal of gratifying Mr. Bush's ego). The past two US attacks left Saddam in power while the two presidents that issued the attacks (Bush Sr. and Clinton) are long gone. The only point of an attack that will finally dislodge Saddam Hussein is replacing him with someone better for US interests. No one seems to know how to accomplish this -- he will most likely be replaced by an anti-American regime. Based on this very simple consideration, a massive US attack on Iraq would be unlikely. However, there is the consideration of Sadism's nuclear power (what the administration refers to as 'mass destruction capability'). While he was set back by an Israeli attack in 1981, he is again close to achieving that goal. When he does, he will beyond doubt become the greatest danger to the US, dwarfing the September 11 mass murder. By this consideration, Bush must attack Iraq. I suspect that, based on the above, Bush will eventually launch a limited attack, targeted at decimating Saddam's nuclear and biological capabilities, while carefully avoiding his removal from power. Or, maybe, this is just wishful thinking... -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > > Hmm > I don't really see it happening. If it does the Iraqis > will fight tooth and nail this time. I don't see the > Russians sitting it out on this one either they may > offer help in the form of satellite data, something > they didn't do last time. Also, there may be more > Russians on the ground coordinating the thing. Or > should I say choreographing. And if worse comes to > worse for the Iraqis, they'll empty out their NBC > arsenal on the nearest possible targets. Whatever > happpens no good can come of it. > Javier > > --- Graham Nelson > wrote: > > The best way to invade Iraq is ... theoretically ... > > whilst relaxing in > > favourite chair, listening to favourite music on > > favourite Nak! > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Carl C > > Sent: 04 September 2002 01:58 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] Remember the good old days > > when this used to be about > > Nakamichi? > > > > > > Perhaps we should start debating the merits of HOW > > to invade > > Iraq.......music is more fun and gunshots drown out > > jerry's guitarwork...... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 4 14:42:39 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:42:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Welsh noises References: <002f01c25384$eba45880$da4e87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D75FFBF.D9A5640C@rcn.com> Er... What exactly is the "Phlegm sound"? Is it like the 'ch' in 'Utrecht'? -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Isn't "flem" the US spelling? Just didn't want to make it difficult ... > ;o) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John Walker > > Sent: 03 September 2002 20:51 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welsh noises > > > > > > It is pronounced: > > > sound+l>an-vire-poogwingidroboo > legm-sound+l>antisiliogogogo > > where is a bit like the way the Germans pronounce 'ch', > > as in JFK's famous statement to the populace of Berlin: 'Ich bin ein > > Berliner'. > > > > Apparently, JFK's statement meant 'I am a cake', and caused much > > puzzlement. > > > > John, still unable to get back OT > > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > >Bill > > > > > >Just to put this back "on topic" would you record that for us on a > > >Nakamichi, please? > > > > > >Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > >>Bill Wheatley > > >>Sent: 03 September 2002 19:04 > > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > >> > > >> > > >>I think I've got the 'Ll' sound down, John- sounds like what I do every > > >>morning. > > >> Bill > > >> > > >>Graham Nelson wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>Bill > > >>> > > >>>The phonetic pronunciation of Welsh words is beyond the English > > >>> > > >>> > > >>language ... > > >> > > >> > > >>>which is probably why it's the Welsh language and not English!! And it > > >>>generally defies the delicate English tongue ... for example, > > >>> > > >>> > > >>the "Ll" at > > >> > > >> > > >>>the start of the town's name (which is commonly found in many > > Welsh town > > >>>names) is pronounced by making a noise much like you would if trying to > > >>>remove to flem from your throat but with your tongue rolled to > > >>> > > >>> > > >>the back of > > >> > > >> > > >>>your mouth.... > > >>> > > >>>Gra' > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>-----Original Message----- > > >>>>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >[mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > >>>Bill Wheatley > > >>>Sent: 03 September 2002 16:41 > > >>>To: naktalk at naks.com > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Grahams Whiskey for Carlos > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>LOL, John. If I lived there I guess I'd definitely invest in some of > > >>>those self-stick return address labels! Can you give us an approximate > > >>>'phonetic' pronunciation? What's the population of this town? > > >>> Bill > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>--- > > >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >>Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------== > > >======= > > > > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >> > > >> > > >resource. > > > > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------== > > >======= > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------== > > >======= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > >resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------== > > >======= > > > > > >--- > > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > >--- > > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > >Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > > > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========--------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------========= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 4 20:01:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:01:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Welsh noises In-Reply-To: <3D75FFBF.D9A5640C@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000401c2543d$131867e0$c0b2193e@oemcomputer> Very similar! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 04 September 2002 13:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Welsh noises > > > > Er... What exactly is the "Phlegm sound"? Is it like > the 'ch' in 'Utrecht'? > > -- Ron > > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > > > Isn't "flem" the US spelling? Just didn't want to make it difficult ... > > ;o) > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Sep 4 21:20:44 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:20:44 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ON TOPIC Buy this instead of your next Magnum Message-ID: <3D765D0C.2050407@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> US buddies There is a CR-7 for a very reasonable price (USD399) at http://www.audioclassics.com Is this of any interest to any of the US members of Naktalk? (It bloody well should be....) John Walker (all funds commited this month, else you wouldn't have had a sniff of this!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Sep 4 22:47:22 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:47:22 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( Message-ID: <001201c25454$56dff8a0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe this story will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might be sort of relevant... The seller dropped the CR-7A off at a Mail Boxes Etc. clone to have it packed and shipped... It arrived today. Unfortunately, that's about where the good news ends. The place that packed it did a HORRIBLE job. They used a box that wasn't big enough to pack it properly. They stood the deck up on one side - that side on the bottom of the box and NO packing material between the box and the deck. They then filled the box maybe 80% of the way with packing peanuts (note that they didn't wrap the deck in a bag or bubble wrap to separate it from the peanuts, so the front panel had peanut dust all over it). Next, they took a piece of cardboard and put it on top of the peanuts. They then put the manual and remote in loose on top. When I got home, my initial impression was that the box wasn't big enough - before I even started to open it. Before unpacking, there were no visible signs of damage to the box - UPS hadn't crushed it or anything. When I unpacked it, the cover on the deck was loose and the deck makes sort of a squeaking sound when you carry it. One prong on the power cord was bent. I unbent the plug and plugged the deck in. It powered up, which was promising. Next, I put a tape in that I was playing on my CR-3A last night. When I hit rewind, the motor makes a sound, but the tape doesn't move. After a few seconds, the mechanism stops. When I hit play, the same thing happened. When I went to remove the tape from the deck, some of the tape had been pulled out of the shell, so something was obviously moving inside. The manual is fine, the remote looks fine (haven't put batteries in to test it). As you can probably imagine, I'm pretty upset at the moment. Given that the box had no visible damage, I wouldn't think UPS would honor an insurance claim, and I don't think they should be expected to. However, the place that packed it did not pack it properly at all - they are the ones who should be held responsible for the damage. I'm sure the deck can be repaired, but there's obviously no telling how much it will cost. I sent the seller a similar email with more detail about contacting me by phone, and the names of the 2 places that I would trust to repair the deck (Electronic Service Labs and Champlain Valley Speaker Company). All things considered, I'm not sure if I would prefer that the seller pay for service (and go after the place that packed the deck) or a refund (and the seller can do what he wants about repairs, etc.) - what do you guys think? Thanks for letting me vent, -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ereidinger at foresightcorp.com Wed Sep 4 23:04:47 2002 From: ereidinger at foresightcorp.com (Eric Reidinger) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:04:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( Message-ID: Dear Geoffrey; I would ask for a refund and let the other inidividual deal with Repair and refund from the clone. UPS has very stringent packing requirements for all electronics that are not in the original boxes, and the clone should know them. To the best of my recollection they require 3 inches minimum on all sides with packing material to hold it in place. Once, when I sent something, a tape deck, they opened the box and let me know my packing was not up to par so I redid it based on their information. The deck arrived safe and sound which may have been luck but I think it was my repacking. Good luck and that is my $02. Eric -----Original Message----- From: greynolds at newsguy.com [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 PM To: NakTalk Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe this story will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might be sort of relevant... The seller dropped the CR-7A off at a Mail Boxes Etc. clone to have it packed and shipped... It arrived today. Unfortunately, that's about where the good news ends. The place that packed it did a HORRIBLE job. They used a box that wasn't big enough to pack it properly. They stood the deck up on one side - that side on the bottom of the box and NO packing material between the box and the deck. They then filled the box maybe 80% of the way with packing peanuts (note that they didn't wrap the deck in a bag or bubble wrap to separate it from the peanuts, so the front panel had peanut dust all over it). Next, they took a piece of cardboard and put it on top of the peanuts. They then put the manual and remote in loose on top. When I got home, my initial impression was that the box wasn't big enough - before I even started to open it. Before unpacking, there were no visible signs of damage to the box - UPS hadn't crushed it or anything. When I unpacked it, the cover on the deck was loose and the deck makes sort of a squeaking sound when you carry it. One prong on the power cord was bent. I unbent the plug and plugged the deck in. It powered up, which was promising. Next, I put a tape in that I was playing on my CR-3A last night. When I hit rewind, the motor makes a sound, but the tape doesn't move. After a few seconds, the mechanism stops. When I hit play, the same thing happened. When I went to remove the tape from the deck, some of the tape had been pulled out of the shell, so something was obviously moving inside. The manual is fine, the remote looks fine (haven't put batteries in to test it). As you can probably imagine, I'm pretty upset at the moment. Given that the box had no visible damage, I wouldn't think UPS would honor an insurance claim, and I don't think they should be expected to. However, the place that packed it did not pack it properly at all - they are the ones who should be held responsible for the damage. I'm sure the deck can be repaired, but there's obviously no telling how much it will cost. I sent the seller a similar email with more detail about contacting me by phone, and the names of the 2 places that I would trust to repair the deck (Electronic Service Labs and Champlain Valley Speaker Company). All things considered, I'm not sure if I would prefer that the seller pay for service (and go after the place that packed the deck) or a refund (and the seller can do what he wants about repairs, etc.) - what do you guys think? Thanks for letting me vent, -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 4 23:32:39 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 17:32:39 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( References: <001201c25454$56dff8a0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D767BF7.D80E243B@rcn.com> greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe this story > will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might be sort > of relevant... > > The seller dropped the CR-7A off at a Mail Boxes Etc. clone to have it > packed and shipped... > > It arrived today. Unfortunately, that's about where the good news ends. > > The place that packed it did a HORRIBLE job. They used a box that wasn't > big enough to pack it properly. They stood the deck up on one side - that > side on the bottom of the box and NO packing material between the box and > the deck. They then filled the box maybe 80% of the way with packing > peanuts (note that they didn't wrap the deck in a bag or bubble wrap to > separate it from the peanuts, so the front panel had peanut dust all over > it). Next, they took a piece of cardboard and put it on top of the peanuts. > They then put the manual and remote in loose on top. When I got home, my > initial impression was that the box wasn't big enough - before I even > started to open it. Before unpacking, there were no visible signs of damage > to the box - UPS hadn't crushed it or anything. > > When I unpacked it, the cover on the deck was loose and the deck makes sort > of a squeaking sound when you carry it. One prong on the power cord was > bent. I unbent the plug and plugged the deck in. It powered up, which was > promising. Next, I put a tape in that I was playing on my CR-3A last night. > When I hit rewind, the motor makes a sound, but the tape doesn't move. > After a few seconds, the mechanism stops. When I hit play, the same thing > happened. When I went to remove the tape from the deck, some of the tape > had been pulled out of the shell, so something was obviously moving inside. > The manual is fine, the remote looks fine (haven't put batteries in to test > it). > > As you can probably imagine, I'm pretty upset at the moment. Given that the > box had no visible damage, I wouldn't think UPS would honor an insurance > claim, and I don't think they should be expected to. However, the place > that packed it did not pack it properly at all - they are the ones who > should be held responsible for the damage. I'm sure the deck can be > repaired, but there's obviously no telling how much it will cost. > > I sent the seller a similar email with more detail about contacting me by > phone, and the names of the 2 places that I would trust to repair the deck > (Electronic Service Labs and Champlain Valley Speaker Company). All things > considered, I'm not sure if I would prefer that the seller pay for service > (and go after the place that packed the deck) or a refund (and the seller > can do what he wants about repairs, etc.) - what do you guys think? > > Thanks for letting me vent, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds My deepest sympathies. There are too many people that have no clue of how to do a job, yet will take upon themselves to do it (and charge a small fortune for it). Unless they are insured, good luck collecting from these people... If they were honest, they wouldn't have accepted the deck for packing in the first place. In any case, that's the seller's problem, not yours. Let's hope the person is honest. Personally, I would for my money back -- there is a good supply of CR-7s (unless this one has something special to recommend it -- an advanced S/N, new heads or whatever). If this is not possible, I would demand repair by one of the guys you mentioned. Good luck, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Wed Sep 4 23:47:26 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 03:17:26 +0530 (IST) Subject: Re -[naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged Message-ID: <20020904214726.BB26511492B@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 4 23:51:51 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:51:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c2545d$46a056c0$c0b2193e@oemcomputer> Geoff Very sorry to hear this news. It must be very disheartening. Seems to me Eric's advice is spot on. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Eric Reidinger > Sent: 04 September 2002 22:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( > > > Dear Geoffrey; > > I would ask for a refund and let the other inidividual deal with > Repair and refund from the clone. UPS has very stringent packing > requirements for all electronics that are not in the original > boxes, and the clone should know them. To the best of my > recollection they require 3 inches minimum on all sides with > packing material to hold it in place. Once, when I sent > something, a tape deck, they opened the box and let me know my > packing was not up to par so I redid it based on their > information. The deck arrived safe and sound which may have been > luck but I think it was my repacking. > > Good luck and that is my $02. > > Eric > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Sep 5 00:36:30 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:36:30 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ON TOPIC Buy this instead of your next Magnum Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C54@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I like their web site, very clever! Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: John Walker [mailto:john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 5:21 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] ON TOPIC Buy this instead of your next Magnum US buddies There is a CR-7 for a very reasonable price (USD399) at http://www.audioclassics.com Is this of any interest to any of the US members of Naktalk? (It bloody well should be....) John Walker (all funds commited this month, else you wouldn't have had a sniff of this!) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Sep 5 00:45:03 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:45:03 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C55@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I second that opinion Geoff. Damm these ignorant people who truly don't care about quality items such as your CR-7A. They should have a system in place where only the real enthusiasts are allowed to deal/touch/use these Nak beauties, and that's my 2 cents. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Graham Nelson [mailto:graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 5 September 2002 7:52 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( Geoff Very sorry to hear this news. It must be very disheartening. Seems to me Eric's advice is spot on. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Eric Reidinger > Sent: 04 September 2002 22:05 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( > > > Dear Geoffrey; > > I would ask for a refund and let the other inidividual deal with > Repair and refund from the clone. UPS has very stringent packing > requirements for all electronics that are not in the original > boxes, and the clone should know them. To the best of my > recollection they require 3 inches minimum on all sides with > packing material to hold it in place. Once, when I sent > something, a tape deck, they opened the box and let me know my > packing was not up to par so I redid it based on their > information. The deck arrived safe and sound which may have been > luck but I think it was my repacking. > > Good luck and that is my $02. > > Eric > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Sep 5 00:51:37 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:51:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C56@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> I really don't want to open the virtual "can of worms" on the cable issue, but, I'm going to purchase a Denon AVR 3200 from a friend of mine, the unit has both the optical fibre and coax input for the DVD player, which cable would be better to use sonically. Does the coax cable input use a standard copper interconnect such as the ones used on your tape deck etc? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Sep 5 03:41:53 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:41:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( Message-ID: <20020904.214154.-150913.9.josephj69@juno.com> If the seller is willing to give you a refund (unlikely), I would take the money and run. There are plenty of mint CR-7's out there. It's not like they're a rarity. I'd rather get one from an owner who took care of it and kept the original box. Someone who knows how to pack something as simple as a cassette deck properly, and who has the sense to pack it himself (rather than rely on some minimum wage drone at a drop off shipment window to do it for him). I've learned this whole "packing electronics for shipment" lesson the hard way myself. You have to assume that EVERY SELLER - no matter who he is - is a COMPLETE AND UTTER MORON. You must give explicit instructions on how to pack everything, right down to the most minute detail. I actually e-mail eBay sellers before I even bid on their auctions. I always ask, "Are you confident that you will be able to pack this unit according to my explicit instructions above?" I tell them right out that it's a precondition to me even placing a bid. I had one guy take a Laserdisc player, place it loose inside a big cardboard box WITH NO PACKING MATERIAL WHATSOEVER, use two pieces of MASKING tape to close the box, and then dropped it off at the post office for shipment. The player was left to flop around inside the box at will. When it arrived, two of the cardboard box's seams were nearly split open and the unit had two large dents in the cabinet. It woudln't even power up. Yes, PEOPLE ARE THAT STUPID. To this day I am still amazed the US postal service even agreed to accept it like that - they are usually very strict. Also, just to play devil's advocate, there is an argument that the damage is not Mail Boxes Etc.'s fault - Why should they be expected to know the proper way to pack a piece of electronic equipment? I'm not saying I agree with this argument, but I think they're probably going to say they packed it as well as they would pack anything else. I sincerily hope you get your money back, or at least someone to pay for the repairs. Good luck, Joe On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:47:22 -0400 greynolds at newsguy.com writes: > The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe > this story > will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might > be sort > of relevant... > > The seller dropped the CR-7A off at a Mail Boxes Etc. clone to have > it > packed and shipped... > > It arrived today. Unfortunately, that's about where the good news > ends. > > The place that packed it did a HORRIBLE job. They used a box that > wasn't > big enough to pack it properly. They stood the deck up on one side > - that > side on the bottom of the box and NO packing material between the > box and > the deck. They then filled the box maybe 80% of the way with > packing > peanuts (note that they didn't wrap the deck in a bag or bubble wrap > to > separate it from the peanuts, so the front panel had peanut dust all > over > it). Next, they took a piece of cardboard and put it on top of the > peanuts. > They then put the manual and remote in loose on top. When I got > home, my > initial impression was that the box wasn't big enough - before I > even > started to open it. Before unpacking, there were no visible signs > of damage > to the box - UPS hadn't crushed it or anything. > > When I unpacked it, the cover on the deck was loose and the deck > makes sort > of a squeaking sound when you carry it. One prong on the power cord > was > bent. I unbent the plug and plugged the deck in. It powered up, > which was > promising. Next, I put a tape in that I was playing on my CR-3A > last night. > When I hit rewind, the motor makes a sound, but the tape doesn't > move. > After a few seconds, the mechanism stops. When I hit play, the same > thing > happened. When I went to remove the tape from the deck, some of the > tape > had been pulled out of the shell, so something was obviously moving > inside. > The manual is fine, the remote looks fine (haven't put batteries in > to test > it). > > As you can probably imagine, I'm pretty upset at the moment. Given > that the > box had no visible damage, I wouldn't think UPS would honor an > insurance > claim, and I don't think they should be expected to. However, the > place > that packed it did not pack it properly at all - they are the ones > who > should be held responsible for the damage. I'm sure the deck can > be > repaired, but there's obviously no telling how much it will cost. > > I sent the seller a similar email with more detail about contacting > me by > phone, and the names of the 2 places that I would trust to repair > the deck > (Electronic Service Labs and Champlain Valley Speaker Company). All > things > considered, I'm not sure if I would prefer that the seller pay for > service > (and go after the place that packed the deck) or a refund (and the > seller > can do what he wants about repairs, etc.) - what do you guys think? > > Thanks for letting me vent, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Thu Sep 5 03:46:57 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 21:46:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( Message-ID: <20020904.214658.-150913.10.josephj69@juno.com> Just a note on UPS and FedEx "insurance." Here's something that most people don't realize. If you insure a piece electronics and they destroy it in transit, even if you can prove the damage was entirely their fault, they WILL NOT reimburse you for the "declared value" of the unit. The way it was explained to me by an operator at FedEx, unless the unit was purchased brand new and being shipped from the dealer when the damage occurred, they will give you only the unit's Bluebook Value. If any of you have seen the Bluebook, you know their values are rarely on target. I've seen some items valued in the Bluebook at less than 5% of thier actual selling price on Audiogon and Ebay. So be sure you pack everything VERY well. - Joe On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:04:47 -0400 "Eric Reidinger" writes: > Dear Geoffrey; > > I would ask for a refund and let the other inidividual deal with > Repair and refund from the clone. UPS has very stringent packing > requirements for all electronics that are not in the original boxes, > and the clone should know them. To the best of my recollection they > require 3 inches minimum on all sides with packing material to hold > it in place. Once, when I sent something, a tape deck, they opened > the box and let me know my packing was not up to par so I redid it > based on their information. The deck arrived safe and sound which > may have been luck but I think it was my repacking. > > Good luck and that is my $02. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: greynolds at newsguy.com [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 PM > To: NakTalk > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( > > > The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe > this story > will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might > be sort > of relevant... > > The seller dropped the CR-7A off at a Mail Boxes Etc. clone to have > it > packed and shipped... > > It arrived today. Unfortunately, that's about where the good news > ends. > > The place that packed it did a HORRIBLE job. They used a box that > wasn't > big enough to pack it properly. They stood the deck up on one side > - that > side on the bottom of the box and NO packing material between the > box and > the deck. They then filled the box maybe 80% of the way with > packing > peanuts (note that they didn't wrap the deck in a bag or bubble wrap > to > separate it from the peanuts, so the front panel had peanut dust all > over > it). Next, they took a piece of cardboard and put it on top of the > peanuts. > They then put the manual and remote in loose on top. When I got > home, my > initial impression was that the box wasn't big enough - before I even > started to open it. Before unpacking, there were no visible signs > of damage > to the box - UPS hadn't crushed it or anything. > > When I unpacked it, the cover on the deck was loose and the deck > makes sort > of a squeaking sound when you carry it. One prong on the power cord > was > bent. I unbent the plug and plugged the deck in. It powered up, > which was > promising. Next, I put a tape in that I was playing on my CR-3A > last night. > When I hit rewind, the motor makes a sound, but the tape doesn't > move. > After a few seconds, the mechanism stops. When I hit play, the same > thing > happened. When I went to remove the tape from the deck, some of the > tape > had been pulled out of the shell, so something was obviously moving > inside. > The manual is fine, the remote looks fine (haven't put batteries in > to test > it). > > As you can probably imagine, I'm pretty upset at the moment. Given > that the > box had no visible damage, I wouldn't think UPS would honor an > insurance > claim, and I don't think they should be expected to. However, the > place > that packed it did not pack it properly at all - they are the ones > who > should be held responsible for the damage. I'm sure the deck can be > repaired, but there's obviously no telling how much it will cost. > > I sent the seller a similar email with more detail about contacting > me by > phone, and the names of the 2 places that I would trust to repair > the deck > (Electronic Service Labs and Champlain Valley Speaker Company). All > things > considered, I'm not sure if I would prefer that the seller pay for > service > (and go after the place that packed the deck) or a refund (and the > seller > can do what he wants about repairs, etc.) - what do you guys think? > > Thanks for letting me vent, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Sep 5 04:44:32 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:44:32 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( References: <20020904.214154.-150913.9.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <000a01c25486$2a38c6b0$3db5b742@pii366custom> It would be a possibility too that the CR-7a seller may give you some of your money back if you ask or work out a deal. Take pictures of the packing and the damage to the item and mail or e-mail them to him. You may want to get anestimate for repairs and then present him with the option. You never know. If he values his good feedback (presuming he has such) he will likely be willing to make some concessions that are reasonable. It's worked for me more than once. --Roland ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Sep 5 05:24:29 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:24:29 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( References: Message-ID: <3D76CE63.60E61FD3@snet.net> I should start by saying that this probably actually a pre-existing condition for the deck. You are describing pretty much the exact symptoms of advanced idler wheel failure which doesn't say much for the buyer as the rewind and fast forward functions would probably be deteriorating for possibly months before playback ceased to function too. While I could go on at length about some terribly packed items that miraculously arrived intact and tell many more stories about items that did not fare so well, the point is that is no excuse for poor packing. My attitude when I pack something is to do the kind of job where you would have to literally run over the box to do damage. UPS has still managed to nail a few items I've shipped. It's been over a year since I've had to file a claim. but they would pay out the full declared value as long as you sent along a purchase invoice with the claim paperwork (and always talked nicely to them). Ed Eric Reidinger wrote: > Dear Geoffrey; > > I would ask for a refund and let the other inidividual deal with Repair and refund from the clone. UPS has very stringent packing requirements for all electronics that are not in the original boxes, and the clone should know them. To the best of my recollection they require 3 inches minimum on all sides with packing material to hold it in place. Once, when I sent something, a tape deck, they opened the box and let me know my packing was not up to par so I redid it based on their information. The deck arrived safe and sound which may have been luck but I think it was my repacking. > > Good luck and that is my $02. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: greynolds at newsguy.com [mailto:greynolds at newsguy.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 4:47 PM > To: NakTalk > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( > > The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe this story > will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might be sort > of relevant... > > The seller dropped the CR-7A off at a Mail Boxes Etc. clone to have it > packed and shipped... > > It arrived today. Unfortunately, that's about where the good news ends. > > The place that packed it did a HORRIBLE job. They used a box that wasn't > big enough to pack it properly. They stood the deck up on one side - that > side on the bottom of the box and NO packing material between the box and > the deck. They then filled the box maybe 80% of the way with packing > peanuts (note that they didn't wrap the deck in a bag or bubble wrap to > separate it from the peanuts, so the front panel had peanut dust all over > it). Next, they took a piece of cardboard and put it on top of the peanuts. > They then put the manual and remote in loose on top. When I got home, my > initial impression was that the box wasn't big enough - before I even > started to open it. Before unpacking, there were no visible signs of damage > to the box - UPS hadn't crushed it or anything. > > When I unpacked it, the cover on the deck was loose and the deck makes sort > of a squeaking sound when you carry it. One prong on the power cord was > bent. I unbent the plug and plugged the deck in. It powered up, which was > promising. Next, I put a tape in that I was playing on my CR-3A last night. > When I hit rewind, the motor makes a sound, but the tape doesn't move. > After a few seconds, the mechanism stops. When I hit play, the same thing > happened. When I went to remove the tape from the deck, some of the tape > had been pulled out of the shell, so something was obviously moving inside. > The manual is fine, the remote looks fine (haven't put batteries in to test > it). > > As you can probably imagine, I'm pretty upset at the moment. Given that the > box had no visible damage, I wouldn't think UPS would honor an insurance > claim, and I don't think they should be expected to. However, the place > that packed it did not pack it properly at all - they are the ones who > should be held responsible for the damage. I'm sure the deck can be > repaired, but there's obviously no telling how much it will cost. > > I sent the seller a similar email with more detail about contacting me by > phone, and the names of the 2 places that I would trust to repair the deck > (Electronic Service Labs and Champlain Valley Speaker Company). All things > considered, I'm not sure if I would prefer that the seller pay for service > (and go after the place that packed the deck) or a refund (and the seller > can do what he wants about repairs, etc.) - what do you guys think? > > Thanks for letting me vent, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 5 10:39:09 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 01:39:09 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] john williams In-Reply-To: <11946.020901@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: To those in the SF Bay Area that might like to see John Williams and Friends he is playing the Masonic Auditorium on Oct 20/Sun. I just purchased two balcony tix; second row. Wonderful venue and he rarely plays here. Go to www.masonicauditorium.com for more info. I tarried for five minutes and lost the front row seats....... fyi Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Vladimir Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:43 AM To: Ron Subject: Re[2]: [naktalk] O.T./ Vinyl Buying Hello Ron, About sound quality. My collection is not as rare as yours, but it seemed to me that since recording studios switched to transistor consoles, limiters,mixers etc. some comfort in sound was lost. This was the first step of sound simplification. When The Beatles appears (sorry I LOVE them, but not regarding sound quality), The Rolling Stones and the others Rock and PoP Divas something wrong had happened with sound. The second step on "The road to Hell" (great song) was inventing of CD with its horrible U-matic based post processing, sharp cut off filters and xxx-times oversampling. When sound is simply calculated by mathematics, as it take places in DSPs and digital mixing consoles it becomes synthesized. Isn't it? Vladimir Zimakov. воскресенье, 1 сентября 2002 г., you wrote to me: R> John Walker wrote: >> >> Did I tell you guys that I bought about 300 LPs in one hit earlier this >> year? They were the collection of a recently deceased classical music >> fan, and were on sale at a local charity function. I paid UKP50 >> altogether. There were several rare Decca SXL, HMV ASD and Mercuries >> among them, and I found that just eight of them were going on eBay for >> over UKP300! As I cleaned them up and played them, I developed a theory >> that the sound quality peaked in the early sixites, and then steadily >> deteriorated. Apart from the Deutsche Gramophons, which have always >> sounded odd! (Somebody told me that the DG sound is accurate, and the >> Berliner Philharmoniker actually sound like that intentionally!) >> >> John Walker, with an eye open for a bargain >> >> PS Would anybody like some Frank Sinatra? I have got about 120 of his >> albums that I acquired in a similar way. (And that is about 110 too >> many, I have found -all you need are the Nelson Riddle albums, plus the >> ones with the Basie and Ellington orchestras! Well, that's my opinion >> anyway. ) R> Wow... I figure that at about $75 for the lot. This R> translates to a quarter apiece. That's more than R> just a 'bargain', it's a steal. R> As to sound quality -- I believe it continued to R> improve to the late 70s. Beyond that era, R> manufacturers devoted their energy to CDs; LPs R> became an afterthought for the weirdoes that still R> wanted them. Then, the oil crisis caused some R> American manufacturers to become stingy with R> vinyl, leading to thinner and thinner LPs. (I have R> a set that behaves like an old style floppy disk R> that has been taken out of its envelope; yet, R> sound quality is quite good). R> Much depends on condition of the LP -- how it was R> stored and what arm/cartridge was used for playing R> it. The major advantage of my ReVox TT is not R> necessarily its sound quality, but the way it R> preserves LPs. R> -- Ron R> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= R> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Sep 5 10:52:18 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:52:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Message-ID: <003e01c254b9$8aa61ba0$13945dd5@jannis> Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? I won a CR-7E " http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" on the German eBay. By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? But back to the point: According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr Gewahrleistung). German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a translation service. Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tagiges Widerrufsrecht gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her auctions." I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Sep 5 11:49:39 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:49:39 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control References: <003e01c254b9$8aa61ba0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <000901c254c1$90c8df60$af16fea9@wdrewes> A more appropriate Translation of GEWAEHRLEISTUNG is WARRANTY .I think That picture does show a grill! Hey, you got that thing so cheap What is the problem?Why do you need to return it? It is an exceedingly good price ! Even if you HAD to have the gearmod done! . If I had not just got a 2nd Dragon I would offer To Buy it from you .I am toying with the idea never the less ! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? I won a CR-7E " http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" on the German eBay. By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? But back to the point: According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr Gewahrleistung). German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a translation service. Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tagiges Widerrufsrecht gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her auctions." I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Sep 5 11:57:41 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wme drewes) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:57:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E or THE GUN THING References: <003e01c254b9$8aa61ba0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <001901c254c2$afd5acc0$af16fea9@wdrewes> PLEASE PLEASE NOT THAT GUN THING AGAIN.Shall we rather all collect for Jannis ,So that this GUN thing does not happen again ? It might be worth it ! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? I won a CR-7E " http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" on the German eBay. By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? But back to the point: According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr Gewahrleistung). German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a translation service. Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tagiges Widerrufsrecht gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her auctions." I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Thu Sep 5 12:28:46 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:28:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E or THE GUN THING Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158B7F@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> The sentence means 1 year guarantee (warranty), as long as you haven't dropped it off a building or something to that effect. The second part is your right to return the item within 14 days for a refund (this may not include shipping only the purchase price) and the German law that covers that right. I also believe you are able to return the product (even if you were satisfied with it) for any reason. Let me check with my wife tonight, if that is correct. Raul PS- Klaus Fendt are you still out there? I got the claims check from the Postal Office. -----Original Message----- From: wme drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR7E or THE GUN THING PLEASE PLEASE NOT THAT GUN THING AGAIN.Shall we rather all collect for Jannis ,So that this GUN thing does not happen again ? It might be worth it ! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? I won a CR-7E " http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" on the German eBay. By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? But back to the point: According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr Gewahrleistung). German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a translation service. Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tagiges Widerrufsrecht gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her auctions." I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Thu Sep 5 12:40:59 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:40:59 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR7E or THE GUN THING Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B877158B80@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> In addition, it states that it is "technically and optically flawless" (a couple of scrathes on the top. Shipping is 8,50 Euro within Germany, plus whatever it may costs extra to another contry. Parcel is sent insured. They ship 3-5 days after receipt of payment. They are pure e-commerce company, so direct pick up is not possible. Since they are an e-auction company, well, lets put it this way, if you bid and win 5 auctions, they all have to be paid seperately. You can't lump one payment for all of the items....maybe has to do with their automated system. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: Tellez, Raul CONT Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:29 PM To: 'naktalk at naks.com' Subject: RE: [naktalk] CR7E or THE GUN THING The sentence means 1 year guarantee (warranty), as long as you haven't dropped it off a building or something to that effect. The second part is your right to return the item within 14 days for a refund (this may not include shipping only the purchase price) and the German law that covers that right. I also believe you are able to return the product (even if you were satisfied with it) for any reason. Let me check with my wife tonight, if that is correct. Raul PS- Klaus Fendt are you still out there? I got the claims check from the Postal Office. -----Original Message----- From: wme drewes [mailto:wdrewes at iafrica.com] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:58 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] CR7E or THE GUN THING PLEASE PLEASE NOT THAT GUN THING AGAIN.Shall we rather all collect for Jannis ,So that this GUN thing does not happen again ? It might be worth it ! Walter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jannis To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:52 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? I won a CR-7E " http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" on the German eBay. By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? But back to the point: According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr Gewahrleistung). German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a translation service. Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tagiges Widerrufsrecht gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her auctions." I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Thu Sep 5 13:44:17 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:44:17 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( References: <001201c25454$56dff8a0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <007001c254d1$974cdc50$c82f2ac4@CopyTech> Hello Geoff: Unfortunately, welcome to the club ... Many times is just lack of knowledge from the seller and other times they simply fried you. In many ocassions, the seller just pick up a deck here or there and immediately sell it on good e.bay, (I know people who earns a better living than many of us just selling everything they found on e.bay, even "trash"). Many of the people selling electronics there don't even have an idea of what they're selling. If it power up, it's ok. Sometimes they know the deck is damage, but sell it anyway and who the hell is gonna prove otherwise ? They will accuse the carrier and make you claim any insurance on hand. I bought a Revox B 710 MK ii from a guy called Artani at e.bay. The package was good, the deck cosmetics excellent, but It has many malaises that doesn't have to do with any shipping damage. Finally, Safe Harbor didn't nothing, the seller maintained that it was "excellent" and completely operational and I lost my money with a damage deck that will easily cost $200 at least to repair + shipping. Since then, I stopped buying at e.bay and only make a deal when I'm 100% sure and only with those people who offers 100% money back guaranteed as I have found a few . Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "NakTalk" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:47 PM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( > The other day, I posted that a CR-7A was on its way to me. Maybe this story > will get us back to talking about Naks, though the gun topic might be sort > of relevant... ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 5 13:01:17 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:01:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control References: <003e01c254b9$8aa61ba0$13945dd5@jannis> <000901c254c1$90c8df60$af16fea9@wdrewes> Message-ID: <3D77397D.60508@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Jannis You say that you have repeatedly questioned the seller about warranty and return conditions. This may have made the seller defensive. I would advise that you send no more messages until you have received the CR-7. Check its condition when it arrives, and then seek advice (from this group and elsewhere) *only* if you need to take action. I agree with Walter. You have won a potentially wonderful Nak (many say that it is the best of all) at a good price. I hope that the deck arrives,and that you are delighted with its condition! However, I note that you are new to eBay. I looked at that auction, but I decided not to bid because hifishop1 had too much negative feedback. You accepted a risk on your first purchase that I would not have! John Walker wme drewes wrote: > A more appropriate Translation of GEWAEHRLEISTUNG is WARRANTY .I think > That picture does show a grill! Hey, you got that thing so cheap What > is the problem?Why do you need to return it? It is an exceedingly good > price ! Even if you HAD to have the gearmod done! . If I had not just > got a 2nd Dragon I would offer To Buy it from you .I am toying with > the idea never the less ! Walter > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jannis > *To:* naktalk at naks.com > *Sent:* Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:52 AM > *Subject:* [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control > > Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? > I won a CR-7E " > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2 > " > on the German eBay. > By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this > the correct English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. > The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older > than serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive > upgrade? > But back to the point: > According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr > Gewa"hrleistung). > German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have > thus far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The > seller, however -- who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company > in Germany -- insist in redefining the meaning of German words and > says that this sentence means something else. When I ask what it > means he replies that he is not a translation service. > Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is > stated that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 > days and get a total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein > 14-ta"giges Widerrufsrecht gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have > repeatedly asked seller about this paragraph of the German law > but, apparently, it seems that his understanding of English is > extremely selective and he avoids answering. > I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and > they tell me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to > honour his or her > auctions." > I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I wonder > whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 5 14:36:38 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:36:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C56@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <3D774FD6.F0EA11A0@rcn.com> Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > I really don't want to open the virtual "can of worms" on the cable issue, but, I'm going to purchase a Denon AVR 3200 from a friend of mine, the unit has both the optical fibre and coax input for the DVD player, which cable would be better to use sonically. Does the coax cable input use a standard copper interconnect such as the ones used on your tape deck etc? > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > Tom Siomopoulos Sound quality will be identical. (By that I mean, mathematically identical). Some people will tell you otherwise; it's a free world, you are welcome to believe them. Coax has the advantages of lower cost, robustness. It's readily available. Optical has the advantages of immunity to RFI and ground loops (only important when you actually have these problems). OTOH, it's frail and costs more. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 5 15:02:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 09:02:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control References: <003e01c254b9$8aa61ba0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D7755F6.A6EBBD18@rcn.com> > Jannis wrote: > > Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? > > I won a CR-7E " > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" > on the German eBay. > By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct > English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. > The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than > serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? My CR-7A is older than this S/N and does have a small grill on left side. > But back to the point: > According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr > Gewährleistung). > German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus > far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- > who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in > redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means > something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a > translation service. You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On par for ebay. > Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated > that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a > total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tägiges Widerrufsrecht > gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this > paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding > of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On par for ebay. > I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell > me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her > auctions." Matches my own experience with ebay. > I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I > wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. At the risk of locking the stable after the horse has run away, let me repeat a previous posting: I NEVER, EVER buy anything on ebay unless the seller is willing to accept payment by a direct charge (not through PayPal or similar, but DIRECT CHARGE) to my credit card. There is no deal in the world enticing enough for me to stray from this resolution. I paid dearly to acquire it and will never revoke it. I wish you the best, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Thu Sep 5 16:18:58 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:18:58 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control References: <003e01c254b9$8aa61ba0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <001601c254e7$2cd65de0$3db5b742@pii366custom> Jannis, I have dealt with this seller before and had a good experience, although I agree communication wasn't there strong point. Even though 50-some negative feedbacks are there, it's relatively few compared to his positives. And from my selling experience, people don't always place positive feedback even though they've had a positive experience. But people ALWAYS place negative feedback when they've had a negative experience with a seller. When dealers are selling in some volume, they can't check over every piece in as great a detail as the individual buyer would. I expect that your deck will be in as good condition as the picture shows. As a final point, there packing was pretty good too, considering it made it here to Canada in great condition. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 5 17:21:31 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:21:31 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C56@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3D774FD6.F0EA11A0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <015801c254ef$eac82f60$023442cf@cta> In my *actual listening experience*(let's not get into another debate, Ron), optical has always sounded "screechy" in the treble, in a sometimes intolerable manner. Even the cheapest RCA cable, not even made for digital or video, sounds better to my ears than the best optical, even if the optical is ST glass interface. I believe the biggest technical fault in Toslink optical is the lousy fittings, where it is virtually impossible to get a perfectly square & solid interface between the cable ends and the transmitting/receiving photo devices. This lack of good interface creates distortions in the waveform that translate into mild to very severe jitter. Technically, the coax RCA digital cable should be 75ohm impedance & shielded. But materials quality & physical construction seem to be much more important, especially considering that my digital cables are unshielded & way, way far from the 75ohm spec, but sound better than any I've heard. Admittedly, the differences between coax digital cables are usually fairly subtle, but definitely exist, which is a fact I have demonstrated to at least a couple of hundred clients over the years. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > I really don't want to open the virtual "can of worms" on the cable issue, but, I'm going to purchase a Denon AVR 3200 from a friend of mine, the unit has both the optical fibre and coax input for the DVD player, which cable would be better to use sonically. Does the coax cable input use a standard copper interconnect such as the ones used on your tape deck etc? > > > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > Sound quality will be identical. (By that I mean, > mathematically identical). Some people will tell > you otherwise; it's a free world, you are welcome > to believe them. > > Coax has the advantages of lower cost, robustness. > It's readily available. > > Optical has the advantages of immunity to RFI and > ground loops (only important when you actually have > these problems). OTOH, it's frail and costs more. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 5 17:36:20 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:36:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C56@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> <3D774FD6.F0EA11A0@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D7779F4.4010901@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I have read in plenty of places that the optical fibre connection sounds markedly worse on CD/DAC connections, although I have never done a comparison myself. Nor have I ever looked into the arguments why (timebase jitter?). Can I suggest that you beg steal or borrow both types of cable and do a test? Ron wrote: >Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > >>I really don't want to open the virtual "can of worms" on the cable issue, but, I'm going to purchase a Denon AVR 3200 from a friend of mine, the unit has both the optical fibre and coax input for the DVD player, which cable would be better to use sonically. Does the coax cable input use a standard copper interconnect such as the ones used on your tape deck etc? >> >> Any info would be greatly appreciated. >> >>Tom Siomopoulos >> >> > >Sound quality will be identical. (By that I mean, >mathematically identical). Some people will tell >you otherwise; it's a free world, you are welcome >to believe them. > >Coax has the advantages of lower cost, robustness. >It's readily available. > >Optical has the advantages of immunity to RFI and >ground loops (only important when you actually have >these problems). OTOH, it's frail and costs more. > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Sep 5 20:16:27 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:16:27 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Message-ID: <000e01c25508$5b0d68e0$b7251ec4@private> Anybody in retailing of second hand goods will tell you that to achieve such a low negative feedback as received by this retailer for that volume is indeed remarkable !(Especially a retailer of the 'hidden face e-commerce' type) Bear in mind these people have the further complicating factor that they do sell used stuff and some quite old at that. Used goods are always subject to different judgemental criteria. It is also said ,that people who buy second hand goods have a specially different outlook on life! (now that cant be true -surely ! )Also note that Negativity gets reported most of the time and Positivity falls more often than not by the wayside! Unless my eyes deceive me, the airvent on the left hand side is there when looking at the eBay picture! We, who have read Jannis's email cannot determine what the problem really was.We only know that a non-German communicated with a German (who probably is only an employee and not neccessarily proficient in legal jargon) and the one did not properly understand the other's language or concepts and both must have got most agitated. Jannis only wanted help from us,and I think it is only becoming on us who belong to naktalk not to pass kneejerk and actionable defametory opinions in law on other people.!As this happens quite often on naktalk maybe we should sit back and think before we SHOOT WITH BOTH GUNS ! Phew what a subject! (there you are- I already feel better!) Jannis ,you got the CR7 at a very , very good price.Have you seen what the very few CR7,s that were on any eBay were sold for?Dragons are a plenty. I am sure that there is many a person on this forum who is extremely jealous of your purchase. The only reason I did not buy it at the time is that I am at the a--e end of Africa and my internet service provider gives such a slow service at night that I could not switch through in time to give you competition !Be happy ! My sour grapes have been eleviated by getting my second Dragon after having lost out ! Walter From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control > Jannis wrote: > > Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? > > I won a CR-7E " > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&s sPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" > on the German eBay. > By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the correct > English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. > The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than > serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? My CR-7A is older than this S/N and does have a small grill on left side. > But back to the point: > According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr > Gewährleistung). > German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus > far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- > who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in > redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means > something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a > translation service. You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On par for ebay. > Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated > that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a > total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tägiges Widerrufsrecht > gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this > paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his understanding > of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On par for ebay. > I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they tell > me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her > auctions." Matches my own experience with ebay. > I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I > wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. At the risk of locking the stable after the horse has run away, let me repeat a previous posting: I NEVER, EVER buy anything on ebay unless the seller is willing to accept payment by a direct charge (not through PayPal or similar, but DIRECT CHARGE) to my credit card. There is no deal in the world enticing enough for me to stray from this resolution. I paid dearly to acquire it and will never revoke it. I wish you the best, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Yes, but some people sell used stuff and do not get negative feedback, while some other people sell used stuff and get lots of negative feedback > It is also said ,that people who buy second hand goods have a > specially different outlook on life! (now that > cant be true -surely ! ) > Also note that Negativity gets reported most of the > time and Positivity falls more often than not by the wayside! Far from true for ebay. Feedback is a two way street and people are very leery of posting negative remarks. Some of the positive posts are ridiculously overdone and obviously not credible. > Unless my eyes deceive me, the airvent on the left hand side is there when > looking at the eBay picture! > We, who have read Jannis's email cannot determine what the problem really > was. We don't even know if there was a problem. We do know, however, that *if* someone posts 1 year warranty and then reneges, they are definitely not honest. > We only know that a non-German communicated with a German (who probably > is only an employee and not neccessarily proficient in legal jargon) I just ran the Vista translator on this post. It says, "1 year guarantee". Seems to me like a very simple and direct statement. I do not classify it as 'legal jargon'. > and > the one did not properly understand the other's language or concepts and > both must have got most agitated. > Jannis only wanted help from us,and I think it is only becoming on us who > belong to naktalk not to pass kneejerk and actionable defametory opinions > in law on other people.!As this happens quite often on naktalk maybe we > should sit back and think before we SHOOT WITH BOTH GUNS ! Phew what a > subject! (there you are- I already feel better!) I think that ebay is a hot house for rip-off artists (I hope this statement is not too actionable). ebay claim 1 fraud per 10,000 transactions. I think they are lying and that the number is probably two orders of magnitude higher. (Of course, I can't prove this claim, any more than ebay can prove theirs). Ebay gives the appearance of dealing with fraud through their Safe Harbor program. In fact, Safe harbor sends email to the scam artist (that, of course, ignores it), then informs the victim that this is all they can do... > Jannis ,you got the CR7 at a very , very good price.Have you seen what the > very few CR7,s that were on any eBay were sold for?Dragons are a plenty. I > am sure that there is many a person on this forum who is extremely jealous > of your purchase. I certainly hope that Jannis will be happy with his purchase and that the deck meets the seller's claim of 'Technically and visually perfect'. However, no bargain justifies misleading statements (when any are actually made). I still think that my advice is valid: never enter into any transaction on ebay that relies on a seller's integrity, unless you know the person. IOW: if a seller can defraud, there is a finite chance they will. Positive feedback means little. Negative feedback is meaningful. -- Ron > The only reason I did not buy it at the time is that I am > at the a--e end of Africa and my internet service provider gives such a slow > service at night that I could not switch through in time to give you > competition !Be happy ! My sour grapes have been eleviated by getting my > second Dragon after having lost out ! > Walter > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control > > > Jannis wrote: > > > > Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? > > > > I won a CR-7E " > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&s > sPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" > > on the German eBay. > > By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the > correct > > English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. > > The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than > > serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? > > My CR-7A is older than this S/N and does have a small > grill on left side. > > > But back to the point: > > According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr > > Gewährleistung). > > German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus > > far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- > > who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in > > redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means > > something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a > > translation service. > > You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On > par for ebay. > > > Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated > > that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a > > total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tägiges Widerrufsrecht > > gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this > > paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his > > understanding > > of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. > > You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On > par for ebay. > > > I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they > tell > > me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her > > auctions." > > Matches my own experience with ebay. > > > I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I > > wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. > > At the risk of locking the stable after the horse has > run away, let me repeat a previous posting: I NEVER, > EVER buy anything on ebay unless the seller is willing > to accept payment by a direct charge (not through > PayPal or similar, but DIRECT CHARGE) to my credit > card. There is no deal in the world enticing enough > for me to stray from this resolution. I paid dearly > to acquire it and will never revoke it. > > I wish you the best, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Thu Sep 5 22:38:36 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:38:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control Message-ID: <000601c2551c$3656d220$9d201ec4@private> Ron ,we rush too much into things ! Nowhere is there a statement that the seller would not honour the warranty given by him.It is unjust to presume that this is so.There is also no statement about the 14 day return not being part of the deal ! THEM GUNS THEM GUNS ! Walter -----Original Message----- From: Ron To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control wdrewes wrote: > > Anybody in retailing of second hand goods will tell you that to achieve such > a low negative feedback as received by this retailer for that volume is > indeed remarkable !(Especially a retailer of the 'hidden face e-commerce' > type) Bear in mind these people have the further complicating factor that > they do sell used stuff and some quite old at that. Used goods are always > subject to different judgemental criteria. Yes, but some people sell used stuff and do not get negative feedback, while some other people sell used stuff and get lots of negative feedback > It is also said ,that people who buy second hand goods have a > specially different outlook on life! (now that > cant be true -surely ! ) > Also note that Negativity gets reported most of the > time and Positivity falls more often than not by the wayside! Far from true for ebay. Feedback is a two way street and people are very leery of posting negative remarks. Some of the positive posts are ridiculously overdone and obviously not credible. > Unless my eyes deceive me, the airvent on the left hand side is there when > looking at the eBay picture! > We, who have read Jannis's email cannot determine what the problem really > was. We don't even know if there was a problem. We do know, however, that *if* someone posts 1 year warranty and then reneges, they are definitely not honest. > We only know that a non-German communicated with a German (who probably > is only an employee and not neccessarily proficient in legal jargon) I just ran the Vista translator on this post. It says, "1 year guarantee". Seems to me like a very simple and direct statement. I do not classify it as 'legal jargon'. > and > the one did not properly understand the other's language or concepts and > both must have got most agitated. > Jannis only wanted help from us,and I think it is only becoming on us who > belong to naktalk not to pass kneejerk and actionable defametory opinions > in law on other people.!As this happens quite often on naktalk maybe we > should sit back and think before we SHOOT WITH BOTH GUNS ! Phew what a > subject! (there you are- I already feel better!) I think that ebay is a hot house for rip-off artists (I hope this statement is not too actionable). ebay claim 1 fraud per 10,000 transactions. I think they are lying and that the number is probably two orders of magnitude higher. (Of course, I can't prove this claim, any more than ebay can prove theirs). Ebay gives the appearance of dealing with fraud through their Safe Harbor program. In fact, Safe harbor sends email to the scam artist (that, of course, ignores it), then informs the victim that this is all they can do... > Jannis ,you got the CR7 at a very , very good price.Have you seen what the > very few CR7,s that were on any eBay were sold for?Dragons are a plenty. I > am sure that there is many a person on this forum who is extremely jealous > of your purchase. I certainly hope that Jannis will be happy with his purchase and that the deck meets the seller's claim of 'Technically and visually perfect'. However, no bargain justifies misleading statements (when any are actually made). I still think that my advice is valid: never enter into any transaction on ebay that relies on a seller's integrity, unless you know the person. IOW: if a seller can defraud, there is a finite chance they will. Positive feedback means little. Negative feedback is meaningful. -- Ron > The only reason I did not buy it at the time is that I am > at the a--e end of Africa and my internet service provider gives such a slow > service at night that I could not switch through in time to give you > competition !Be happy ! My sour grapes have been eleviated by getting my > second Dragon after having lost out ! > Walter > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control > > > Jannis wrote: > > > > Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? > > > > I won a CR-7E " > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&s > sPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" > > on the German eBay. > > By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the > correct > > English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. > > The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than > > serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? > > My CR-7A is older than this S/N and does have a small > grill on left side. > > > But back to the point: > > According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr > > Gewährleistung). > > German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus > > far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, however -- > > who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in > > redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means > > something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a > > translation service. > > You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On > par for ebay. > > > Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated > > that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a > > total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tägiges Widerrufsrecht > > gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this > > paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his > > understanding > > of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. > > You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On > par for ebay. > > > I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they > tell > > me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her > > auctions." > > Matches my own experience with ebay. > > > I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I > > wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun issue. > > At the risk of locking the stable after the horse has > run away, let me repeat a previous posting: I NEVER, > EVER buy anything on ebay unless the seller is willing > to accept payment by a direct charge (not through > PayPal or similar, but DIRECT CHARGE) to my credit > card. There is no deal in the world enticing enough > for me to stray from this resolution. I paid dearly > to acquire it and will never revoke it. > > I wish you the best, > > -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Sep 5 23:06:36 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:06:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( References: <200209050739.JAA10061@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <00a901c25520$331c43c0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> "Roland Alford" wrote: > It would be a possibility too that the CR-7a seller may give you some of > your money back if you ask or work out a deal. Take pictures of the packing > and the damage to the item and mail or e-mail them to him. You may want to > get anestimate for repairs and then present him with the option. You never > know. I would certainly be willing to go that route, though I'm not sure that I want to be without the deck right off the bat. I had figured I would need to send it out for some service at some point (if only for the standard well known upgrades), but I wanted to at least play a tape on it first :). Returning the deck to the seller would be a bit of a hassle, but I suppose no worse than sending it out for repairs. I'll obviously need to obtain a different box to ship it in before sending it anywhere. > If he values his good feedback (presuming he has such) he will likely be > willing to make some concessions that are reasonable. Well, it isn't an ebay (or other online) transaction. He contacted me after seeing that I had bid on a CR-7A on ebay (without winning the auction). Ed Noyes wrote: > I should start by saying that this probably actually a pre-existing condition > for the deck. You are describing pretty much the exact symptoms of > advanced idler wheel failure which doesn't say much for the buyer as > the rewind and fast forward functions would probably be deteriorating > for possibly months before playback ceased to function too. This actually troubles me as much as the packing job. His initial description was: "I have one of these for sale if you are interested. It's in like new condition with no visibal marks or blemishes. I have the remote and manual (must find though), but I do not have the box." Before I purchased it, I requested pictures. He sent me pictures and mentioned some minor blemishes: "Looks brand new. There are a few small marks on the top and a very light mark on the left of the tape door." At this point, maybe I should have known better as he contradicted himself on the condition. However, the price was good enough ($600 shipped) that I was willing to accept some minor blemishes. He said in other emails that it was functionally perfect (he also said this on the phone). To his credit, he replied to my email about the problems by 6:30PM last night. He also gave me a call today. When I spoke with him on the phone, I made it clear to him that I want to have it resolved one way or another within a week. The possible resolutions are that he pays for the repairs (it's his responsibility to take the issue up with the place that shipped it) or he issues me a refund and gets the deck back. I'm going to try to be reasonable, but at this point I would tend to agree with the majority of the responses that a full refund is in order and he should deal with the repairs entirely on his own. Thanks for all of the responses and encouragement. Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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In my *actual listening experience*(let's not get into another debate, Ron), optical has always sounded "screechy" in the treble, in a sometimes intolerable manner. Even the cheapest RCA cable, not even made for digital or video, sounds better to my ears than the best optical, even if the optical is ST glass interface. I believe the biggest technical fault in Toslink optical is the lousy fittings, where it is virtually impossible to get a perfectly square & solid interface between the cable ends and the transmitting/receiving photo devices. This lack of good interface creates distortions in the waveform that translate into mild to very severe jitter. Technically, the coax RCA digital cable should be 75ohm impedance & shielded. But materials quality & physical construction seem to be much more important, especially considering that my digital cables are unshielded & way, way far from the 75ohm spec, but sound better than any I've heard. Admittedly, the differences between coax digital cables are usually fairly subtle, but definitely exist, which is a fact I have demonstrated to at least a couple of hundred clients over the years. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. > Thomas Siomopoulos wrote: > > > > I really don't want to open the virtual "can of worms" on the cable issue, but, I'm going to purchase a Denon AVR 3200 from a friend of mine, the unit has both the optical fibre and coax input for the DVD player, which cable would be better to use sonically. Does the coax cable input use a standard copper interconnect such as the ones used on your tape deck etc? > > > > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Tom Siomopoulos > > Sound quality will be identical. (By that I mean, > mathematically identical). Some people will tell > you otherwise; it's a free world, you are welcome > to believe them. > > Coax has the advantages of lower cost, robustness. > It's readily available. > > Optical has the advantages of immunity to RFI and > ground loops (only important when you actually have > these problems). OTOH, it's frail and costs more. > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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To leave feedback for another member, follow the link below: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?LeaveFeedbackShow You may also access this page by clicking on 'Site Map' link located on at the top of most eBay pages. When the eBay Site Map page opens, under 'Services,' scroll down until you come to Feedback Forum and click on the link 'Leave feedback on a member.' You may also want to take a look at the 'Complaints about other eBay users' page that offers suggestions on other features or services that may help you to resolve this situation. You can access this page by using the URL listed below: http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/myinfo/complaints.html We apologise for any frustration this may have caused you, these incidents are rare on eBay. Met vriendelijke groet, (= with friendly regards) Godard Gracier Vertrouwen en Veiligheid. (= trust and safety) eBay International AG Customer Support So in essence they do nothing. 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And from my selling experience, people don't always place positive feedback even though they've had a positive experience. But people ALWAYS place negative feedback when they've had a negative experience with a seller. When dealers are selling in some volume, they can't check over every piece in as great a detail as the individual buyer would. I expect that your deck will be in as good condition as the picture shows. As a final point, there packing was pretty good too, considering it made it here to Canada in great condition. --Roland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 6 01:03:28 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:03:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control References: <000601c2551c$3656d220$9d201ec4@private> Message-ID: <3D77E2C0.A32A3794@rcn.com> wdrewes wrote: > > Ron ,we rush too much into things ! Nowhere is there a statement that the > seller would not honour the warranty given by him. The original post implied that the seller 'redefined' the term 'guaranty'. I said that *if* someone posts 1 year warranty and then reneges, they are definitely not honest. > It is unjust to presume > that this is so.There is also no statement about the 14 day return not being > part of the deal ! THEM GUNS THEM GUNS ! OK. I stand corrected and sincerely hope that I was wrong. -- Ron > Walter > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron > To: naktalk at naks.com > Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:30 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control > > wdrewes wrote: > > > > Anybody in retailing of second hand goods will tell you that to achieve > such > > a low negative feedback as received by this retailer for that volume is > > indeed remarkable !(Especially a retailer of the 'hidden face e-commerce' > > type) Bear in mind these people have the further complicating factor that > > they do sell used stuff and some quite old at that. Used goods are always > > subject to different judgemental criteria. > > Yes, but some people sell used stuff and do not get negative > feedback, while some other people sell used stuff and get > lots of negative feedback > > > It is also said ,that people who buy second hand goods have a > > specially different outlook on life! (now that > > cant be true -surely ! ) > > Also note that Negativity gets reported most of the > > time and Positivity falls more often than not by the wayside! > > Far from true for ebay. Feedback is a two way street and people > are very leery of posting negative remarks. Some of the positive > posts are ridiculously overdone and obviously not credible. > > > Unless my eyes deceive me, the airvent on the left hand side is there when > > looking at the eBay picture! > > We, who have read Jannis's email cannot determine what the problem really > > was. > > We don't even know if there was a problem. We do know, > however, that *if* someone posts 1 year warranty and > then reneges, they are definitely not honest. > > > We only know that a non-German communicated with a German (who probably > > is only an employee and not neccessarily proficient in legal jargon) > > I just ran the Vista translator on this post. It > says, "1 year guarantee". Seems to me like a very > simple and direct statement. I do not classify it > as 'legal jargon'. > > > and > > the one did not properly understand the other's language or concepts and > > both must have got most agitated. > > Jannis only wanted help from us,and I think it is only becoming on us who > > belong to naktalk not to pass kneejerk and actionable defametory opinions > > in law on other people.!As this happens quite often on naktalk maybe we > > should sit back and think before we SHOOT WITH BOTH GUNS ! Phew what a > > subject! (there you are- I already feel better!) > > I think that ebay is a hot house for rip-off artists > (I hope this statement is not too actionable). ebay > claim 1 fraud per 10,000 transactions. I think they are > lying and that the number is probably two orders of > magnitude higher. (Of course, I can't prove this claim, > any more than ebay can prove theirs). > > Ebay gives the appearance of dealing with fraud through > their Safe Harbor program. In fact, Safe harbor sends > email to the scam artist (that, of course, ignores it), > then informs the victim that this is all they can do... > > > Jannis ,you got the CR7 at a very , very good price.Have you seen what the > > very few CR7,s that were on any eBay were sold for?Dragons are a plenty. I > > am sure that there is many a person on this forum who is extremely jealous > > of your purchase. > > I certainly hope that Jannis will be happy with his > purchase and that the deck meets the seller's claim > of 'Technically and visually perfect'. However, no > bargain justifies misleading statements (when any are > actually made). > > I still think that my advice is valid: never enter into > any transaction on ebay that relies on a seller's > integrity, unless you know the person. IOW: if a seller > can defraud, there is a finite chance they will. Positive > feedback means little. Negative feedback is meaningful. > > -- Ron > > > The only reason I did not buy it at the time is that I am > > at the a--e end of Africa and my internet service provider gives such a > slow > > service at night that I could not switch through in time to give you > > competition !Be happy ! My sour grapes have been eleviated by getting my > > second Dragon after having lost out ! > > Walter > > From: Ron > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:14 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7E did not arrive yet & gun control > > > > > Jannis wrote: > > > > > > Is there anyone in the group who lives in Germany and can please help? > > > > > > I won a CR-7E " > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1373366190&ed=1030123501&s > > sPageName=ADME:B:EOA:DE:2" > > > on the German eBay. > > > By the way as far as I know a CR-7 has a cooling grill (is this the > > correct > > > English word?) on the upper left back side of it's cover. > > > The one in the picture does not. Does this imply the deck is older than > > > serial number A130-09400 and thus has not had a gear drive upgrade? > > > > My CR-7A is older than this S/N and does have a small > > grill on left side. > > > > > But back to the point: > > > According to the information given by the seller he offers (1 Jahr > > > Gewährleistung). > > > German speaking friends of mine and, also, all dictionaries I have thus > > > far consulted translate this as "1 year guaranty". The seller, > however -- > > > who is not a linguist but an e-commerce company in Germany -- insist in > > > redefining the meaning of German words and says that this sentence means > > > something else. When I ask what it means he replies that he is not a > > > translation service. > > > > You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On > > par for ebay. > > > > > Furthermore, again in the information given by the seller, it is stated > > > that the buyer has the right to return the item within 14 days and get a > > > total refund of the paid amount "Sie haben ein 14-tägiges Widerrufsrecht > > > gem. Paragr. 312 ff. BGB". I have repeatedly asked seller about this > > > paragraph of the German law but, apparently, it seems that his > > > understanding > > > of English is extremely selective and he avoids answering. > > > > You are obviously dealing with dishonest people. On > > par for ebay. > > > > > I e-mailed a complaint about it all to eBay's customer support and they > > tell > > > me: "Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her > > > auctions." > > > > Matches my own experience with ebay. > > > > > I wish I had never sent the required amount to seller and I > > > wonder whether there is anything I can do except reopening the gun > issue. > > > > At the risk of locking the stable after the horse has > > run away, let me repeat a previous posting: I NEVER, > > EVER buy anything on ebay unless the seller is willing > > to accept payment by a direct charge (not through > > PayPal or similar, but DIRECT CHARGE) to my credit > > card. There is no deal in the world enticing enough > > for me to stray from this resolution. I paid dearly > > to acquire it and will never revoke it. > > > > I wish you the best, > > > > -- Ron > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Sep 6 02:00:39 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 01:00:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7E + eBay + the gun thing References: <023201c2552e$4b5407d0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D77F027.2020000@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Jannis I am still not sure what the problem is. Have you received the CR-7E yet? If you have not, then it is too early to complain! Is it the time delay that is worrying you? This is an international transaction, and involves clearance by customs. This takes time, always. You must be patient. Do you know if the seller has shipped the deck yet? A good seller will tell you when the item was sent, and *might* even give you a transaction code so that you can watch progress via the shipper's web site. (Forget this with the US Postal Service, though. USPS only recognise international shipment codes once the item has been *delivered*. :-\ ) John Walker, hoping that it arrives at my door by some amazing stroke of luck! Jannis wrote: > Now this crowns the issue completely. When I asked eBays help > concerning the sellers dishonesty they replied as follows: > > Best eBay-lid, > > > We are sorry to hear that you are having trouble with your transaction. > Unfortunately, eBay is unable force a seller to honour his or her > auctions. > > What you can do is leave appropriate feedback for the reluctant seller > to alert other bidders of his or her past history. To leave feedback for > another member, follow the link below: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?LeaveFeedbackShow > > You may also access this page by clicking on 'Site Map' link located on > at the top of most eBay pages. When the eBay Site Map page opens, under > 'Services,' scroll down until you come to Feedback Forum and click on > the link 'Leave feedback on a member.' > > You may also want to take a look at the 'Complaints about other eBay > users' page that offers suggestions on other features or services that > may help you to resolve this situation. You can access this page by > using the URL listed below: > > http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/myinfo/complaints.html > > We apologise for any frustration this may have caused you, these > incidents are rare on eBay. > > > > Met vriendelijke groet, (= with friendly regards) > > Godard Gracier > Vertrouwen en Veiligheid. (= trust and safety) > eBay International AG > Customer Support > > So in essence they do nothing. > > And in relation to their reply I just received an e-mail from them > entitled "eBay Customer support satisfaction survey" > > So now I am going to let them hear the sounds of the combined NATO > artillery force (and, if I remember correctly, artillery uses manual > azimuth as well). ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Fri Sep 6 02:09:29 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:09:29 PDT Subject: [naktalk] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#1378414146: Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck (beauty) Message-ID: <200209060009.g8609Qrq030168@mx6.sjc.ebay.com> Jannis This seller is expecting quite a lot more than you paid! John Title of item: Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck (beauty) Seller: tcnowlin at prodigy.net Starts: 04-Sep-02 00:38:00 BST Ends: 11-Sep-02 00:38:00 BST Price: Starts at US $900.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378414146 Item Description: This auction is for a Nakamichi cassette deck, model CR-7A, that is in beautiful condition, and works very well. The CR-7A was manufactured by Nakamichi 1986-93, and sold for $1849 , and is considered to be one of the best cassette decks for recording ever, yes it sounds excellent on playback also, this particular unit was made in 1989, and looks like it is brand new, no scratches or damage. It comes with the original box, and the remote, sorry, no owner's manual. You insert a blank cassette, hit the auto calibration, and the CR-7A goes to work, I think it is amazing, I will ship by USPS, thank you for reading my auction. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Fri Sep 6 03:09:53 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 21:09:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: CR-7A Arrived today...damaged :( References: <200209050739.JAA10061@zebra.naks.com> <00a901c25520$331c43c0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D78005E.361D59AB@snet.net> It's been a while since I owned my CR-7A, but you could probably get it working for a period of time very easily. Stephen will have to correct me if I'm way off here, but I believe that the idler can be accessed much like the BX series decks by just removing the 2 small screws at the top and back of the inside cassette well. This will allow you to pull out the back plate and you'll see the rubber idler staring at you. If you don't have any rubber rejuvenator, even alcohol will probably temporarily clean it up enough to run some tapes and see how it's working otherwise. All you need to do is close the door with its cover off, engage ff and apply gentle pressure to the idler (pushing it toward the brass motor pulley so the it will turn) with a cotton swab. Keep at it letting the idler spin under the cotton swap until the friction starts to come back pretty good. With alcohol this will solve the problem for days to a week, with rubber rejuvenator it may last 2 to 6 months. With a $.49 idler from MCM Electronics it will last 2 to 10 years. The bigger issue is that the early CR-7A (which this is if it has the rubber idler) also had a design flaw in the record EQ circuit which requires a service mod to prevent underbiasing in the calibration process and an associated steep rolloff in the high end around 18 or so khz. I don't have the exact serial numbers, but Stephen Sank does. He can do all the repairs and did a fantastic job on my CR-7. Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Fri Sep 6 07:31:05 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:31:05 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#1378414146: Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck (beauty) In-Reply-To: <200209060009.g8609Qrq030168@mx6.sjc.ebay.com> Message-ID: anybody see the guy with the McIntosh mc240 on ebay that needed lots of restoration work and the buy it now price was 1499....he was claiming these routinely go for up to 2500.... chuckle carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:09 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Interesting item on eBay UK web site item#1378414146: Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck (beauty) Jannis This seller is expecting quite a lot more than you paid! John Title of item: Nakamichi CR-7A Cassette Deck (beauty) Seller: tcnowlin at prodigy.net Starts: 04-Sep-02 00:38:00 BST Ends: 11-Sep-02 00:38:00 BST Price: Starts at US $900.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1378414146 Item Description: This auction is for a Nakamichi cassette deck, model CR-7A, that is in beautiful condition, and works very well. The CR-7A was manufactured by Nakamichi 1986-93, and sold for $1849 , and is considered to be one of the best cassette decks for recording ever, yes it sounds excellent on playback also, this particular unit was made in 1989, and looks like it is brand new, no scratches or damage. It comes with the original box, and the remote, sorry, no owner's manual. You insert a blank cassette, hit the auto calibration, and the CR-7A goes to work, I think it is amazing, I will ship by USPS, thank you for reading my auction. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.co.uk ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rdforester at hotmail.com Fri Sep 6 16:21:44 2002 From: rdforester at hotmail.com (R Forester) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:21:44 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Optical Fibre Vs Coax. Message-ID: Hi Guys, I've never posted here(lurking for years)but I thought I would chime in on this one. I'm not a technicion, I would say critical listener. I don't recall the name of the optical cable I purchased, it was supposed to be "a good one". I linked an Arcam transport to Audio Alchemy processing. Suffice to say I later gave it to a friend who NEEDED an optical cable. (Yes he's still a friend.) I haven't heard the finer Naks you all talk about but I enjoy the 660zx I purchased on Ebay for $120., thanks to you all for this great board. Lurkingly, Ron _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 6 18:26:27 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 10:26:27 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! Message-ID: <11a201c255c2$279b49e0$023442cf@cta> To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic supports. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Fri Sep 6 19:22:58 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! Message-ID: Held off this time and the last. The last one went quite dearly though (over $100.00?). On a somewhat similar topic; is it possible to repair the connection from the speaker element to the stereo phone lead on a pair of HP-100's? Sometime in the past 6 months I was attempting to clean the earwax from the grillwork, covering the speaker element, and not having much luck. Attempted to carefully remove the grillwork without pulling the element out, but was tragically unsuccessful, resulting in breaking the connecting wire(s). The wires from the element aren't much thicker than a cat's whisker. My eyes don't see so good anymore, and my hands are not steady enough to be messing around with this flimsy stuff. Anxiously waiting to hear from you on this, I'm all ears! Kent Merideth Somewhere in central Indiana where the "Wigwam" still stands. >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 09/06/02 11:26AM >>> To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic supports. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 6 19:35:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:35:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! In-Reply-To: <11a201c255c2$279b49e0$023442cf@cta> Message-ID: <000e01c255cb$cd1199c0$59e5193e@oemcomputer> Congratulations, Stephen! When did you bury your daughter? ;o) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 06 September 2002 17:26 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! > > > To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 > headphones, and I > know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for > $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my > overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then > my daughter > borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic > supports. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > = --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 6 20:39:57 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 14:39:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! References: <11a201c255c2$279b49e0$023442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D78F67D.9BD700F9@rcn.com> Glad you got them. I'll be picking up the next pair (I hope...) -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I > know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for > $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my > overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter > borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic > supports. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ezio_lucenti at tin.it Fri Sep 6 21:01:12 2002 From: ezio_lucenti at tin.it (Ezio) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 21:01:12 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! In-Reply-To: <3D78F67D.9BD700F9@rcn.com> References: <11a201c255c2$279b49e0$023442cf@cta> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020906210042.00a38140@box.tin.it> Me too ! Anyhow ... BRAVO ! Ezio At 02:39 PM 9/6/02 -0400, you wrote: >Glad you got them. I'll be picking up the next pair (I hope...) > >-- Ron > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I > > know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for > > $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my > > overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter > > borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic > > supports. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Sincerely Ezio Lucenti Ezio's e-photography site www.lucenti.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fidelman at telcel.net.ve Fri Sep 6 21:14:17 2002 From: fidelman at telcel.net.ve (Isy Fidelman) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! References: <11a201c255c2$279b49e0$023442cf@cta> <3D78F67D.9BD700F9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <001a01c255d9$9c817830$c36723c8@g8nsv> Congratulations Stephen!!!! I am 100% sure they fell in good hands Isy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! > > Glad you got them. I'll be picking up the next pair (I hope...) > > -- Ron > > > Stephen Sank wrote: > > > To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I > > know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for > > $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my > > overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter > > borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic > > supports. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. 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URL: From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Sep 7 04:25:14 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Everyone In-Reply-To: <001a01c255d9$9c817830$c36723c8@g8nsv> Message-ID: <20020907022514.32096.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Hi First of all I'de like to say thanks to Ron, Warren, Steve for their advice on the flourescent bulbs and electrolytes. The kitchen light now wortks as long as I cycle power on and off very fast for about 2 minutes. Also, I'd like to thank the the guy who pointed me to the Magnavox FD1040. The boards are identical and although it skips a little it does work. The only difference as far as the signal path goes is that the Mac has an additional filter board downdstream of the standard DAC board. This leads me to a question. I've heard that much of the original complaints about the early CD players turned out to be caused by improper mastering of the CDs. If this is true would it be a good idea to just delete the filter board? I'm tempted to try but was wondering what the consensus was on the cause of the harshness in early players. Before parting outr the poor Magnavox I listened for awhile on my floydphones and didn't really hear too much of a difference. I do have a plan for it other than the junk heap. I'de like to hook up a digital direct out but haven'tr a clue as to where to start. I tried to figure it out a few years back but hit a brick wall in that I couldn't figure out how to tap into the signal before it hits the dac board. Anyway I'de appreciate any advice. See Ya Javier __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sat Sep 7 05:33:04 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 23:33:04 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Everyone References: <20020907022514.32096.qmail@web10505.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D79736B.A0B50EB6@snet.net> The laser current is pretty darn easy to set up... well, actually a pain in the ass to actually set up, but an easy procedure that just requires a lot of patience... you're going to want to note some of the worst offenders as far as skipping so that you can adjust it while they (and about a dozen other) disks play. I don't remember the specifics of the adjustment, but Stephen does. Check with him... I think he's even got the instructions saved as a document that he can send. Congrats on getting your 7000 running, it's a nice player that's built like a tank. Stephen will also tell you that it's just about impossible to get a digital out from it due to the chip set. Thanks, Ed Javier Perez wrote: > Hi > First of all I'de like to say thanks to Ron, Warren, > Steve for their advice on the flourescent bulbs and > electrolytes. The kitchen light now wortks as long as > I cycle power on and off very fast for about 2 > minutes. Also, I'd like to thank the the guy who > pointed me to the Magnavox FD1040. The boards are > identical and although it skips a little it does work. > The only difference as far as the signal path goes is > that the Mac has an additional filter board > downdstream of the standard DAC board. This leads me > to a question. I've heard that much of the original > complaints about the early CD players turned out to be > caused by improper mastering of the CDs. If this is > true would it be a good idea to just delete the filter > board? I'm tempted to try but was wondering what the > consensus was on the cause of the harshness in early > players. Before parting outr the poor Magnavox I > listened for awhile on my floydphones and didn't > really hear too much of a difference. I do have a plan > for it other than the junk heap. I'de like to hook up > a digital direct out but haven'tr a clue as to where > to start. I tried to figure it out a few years back > but hit a brick wall in that I couldn't figure out how > to tap into the signal before it hits the dac board. > Anyway > I'de appreciate any advice. > See Ya > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 7 06:05:59 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:05:59 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! Kent's HP100 question References: Message-ID: <003901c25623$e0b07520$483442cf@cta> I haven't taken my HP100's apart yet, but I have done similar repairs to dynamic microphone elements & such, so shouldn't be any trouble to repair. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kent Merideth" To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! Held off this time and the last. The last one went quite dearly though (over $100.00?). On a somewhat similar topic; is it possible to repair the connection from the speaker element to the stereo phone lead on a pair of HP-100's? Sometime in the past 6 months I was attempting to clean the earwax from the grillwork, covering the speaker element, and not having much luck. Attempted to carefully remove the grillwork without pulling the element out, but was tragically unsuccessful, resulting in breaking the connecting wire(s). The wires from the element aren't much thicker than a cat's whisker. My eyes don't see so good anymore, and my hands are not steady enough to be messing around with this flimsy stuff. Anxiously waiting to hear from you on this, I'm all ears! Kent Merideth Somewhere in central Indiana where the "Wigwam" still stands. >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 09/06/02 11:26AM >>> To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic supports. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Sat Sep 7 06:08:24 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Everyone In-Reply-To: <3D79736B.A0B50EB6@snet.net> Message-ID: <20020907040824.8814.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> I remember doing the research and it was said to be difficult. I'd like to tap the data stream as soon as it leaves the pickup. If the old dac gets it too i don't care. At this point if I could find out where it is I'd be willing to coil some wire around it and listen in! I guess I don't understand enough about the technology to understand why something like that is so difficult to do. It sounds like a nobrainer in theory! I have an MCD 7000 service manual which I've been using to kick my way around. It would be great to be able to do this. as far as I know all pickups should sound the same so with a good DAC I could be up to MCD7007 standards. Thanks for the support! See Ya Javier --- Ed Noyes wrote: > The laser current is pretty darn easy to set up... > well, actually a pain in the ass to > actually set up, but an easy procedure that just > requires a lot of patience... you're > going to want to note some of the worst offenders as > far as skipping so that you can > adjust it while they (and about a dozen other) disks > play. I don't remember the > specifics of the adjustment, but Stephen does. Check > with him... I think he's even got > the instructions saved as a document that he can > send. Congrats on getting your 7000 > running, it's a nice player that's built like a > tank. Stephen will also tell you that > it's just about impossible to get a digital out from > it due to the chip set. > > Thanks, > Ed > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > Hi > > First of all I'de like to say thanks to Ron, > Warren, > > Steve for their advice on the flourescent bulbs > and > > electrolytes. The kitchen light now wortks as long > as > > I cycle power on and off very fast for about 2 > > minutes. Also, I'd like to thank the the guy who > > pointed me to the Magnavox FD1040. The boards are > > identical and although it skips a little it does > work. > > The only difference as far as the signal path goes > is > > that the Mac has an additional filter board > > downdstream of the standard DAC board. This leads > me > > to a question. I've heard that much of the > original > > complaints about the early CD players turned out > to be > > caused by improper mastering of the CDs. If this > is > > true would it be a good idea to just delete the > filter > > board? I'm tempted to try but was wondering what > the > > consensus was on the cause of the harshness in > early > > players. Before parting outr the poor Magnavox I > > listened for awhile on my floydphones and didn't > > really hear too much of a difference. I do have a > plan > > for it other than the junk heap. I'de like to hook > up > > a digital direct out but haven'tr a clue as to > where > > to start. I tried to figure it out a few years > back > > but hit a brick wall in that I couldn't figure out > how > > to tap into the signal before it hits the dac > board. > > Anyway > > I'de appreciate any advice. > > See Ya > > Javier > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 7 06:10:20 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 22:10:20 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! References: <000e01c255cb$cd1199c0$59e5193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <004801c25624$7c436c40$483442cf@cta> I didn't kill her. I just sold her into slavery. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:35 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! > Congratulations, Stephen! > > When did you bury your daughter? ;o) > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Stephen Sank > > Sent: 06 September 2002 17:26 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! > > > > > > To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 > > headphones, and I > > know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for > > $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my > > overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then > > my daughter > > borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic > > supports. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > > > = > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonrado at hotmail.com Sat Sep 7 08:59:57 2002 From: mlhonrado at hotmail.com (Mariano Honrado) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 14:59:57 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] COAX V. OPTICAL CABLES Message-ID: Hello everyone: I've used both coax and optical cable depending on the hardware involved. A technician however told me that commercial coax cables are "MONSTERously" overpriced. He routinely cobbles together a meter or less of ordinary 75-ohm TV cable lead with nothing more than RCA connectors on both ends. Total cost is less than (the equivalent of) US$4.00 (I'm writing from Manila, Philippines). He admits his coax cable is stiff and sometimes a pain to work around corners but he swears that SONICALLY it beats the crap out of coax cables selling for more than $50.00. Would appreciate opinions. Cheers! Mariano _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 7 10:19:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:19:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! In-Reply-To: <004801c25624$7c436c40$483442cf@cta> Message-ID: <002301c25647$4a438180$59e5193e@oemcomputer> There speaks a good business man - if it serves no useful purpose, sell it! Grinham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Stephen Sank > Sent: 07 September 2002 05:10 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! > > > I didn't kill her. I just sold her into slavery. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Sat Sep 7 13:14:21 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:14:21 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C5C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Congratulations Stephen, I saw the auction with your name on it and backed right off. Damm they must be that good, I think I'll bid on the next pair, not to mention everyone else on this list. Tom Siomopoulos -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Sank [mailto:bk11 at thuntek.net] Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2002 2:26 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Thanks, guys! To whomever of you all refrained from bidding on the SP-7 headphones, and I know there must be a few of you, thanks! Never thought I'd get them for $21.50! Sweet. Been trying to get another pair since letting one of my overseas clients have my second set a few months ago. And then my daughter borrowed & then STEPPED ON my remaining pair, snapping one side's plastic supports. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 7 14:22:27 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 08:22:27 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] COAX V. OPTICAL CABLES References: Message-ID: <3D79EF83.3B735A4F@rcn.com> Mariano Honrado wrote: > Hello everyone: > > I've used both coax and optical cable depending on the hardware involved. > > A technician however told me that commercial coax cables are "MONSTERously" > overpriced. He routinely cobbles together a meter or less of ordinary 75-ohm > TV cable lead with nothing more than RCA connectors on both ends. Total cost > is less than (the equivalent of) US$4.00 (I'm writing from Manila, > Philippines). > > He admits his coax cable is stiff and sometimes a pain to work around > corners but he swears that SONICALLY it beats the crap out of coax cables > selling for more than $50.00. > > Would appreciate opinions. Cheers! > > Mariano I have assembled all cables in my system myself. I used the same coax cable for both digital and analog audio. The cable I used is Belden 1505A, which is a 'high performance RG-59', with a solid center conductor and double shield, so it's fairly stiff. This is OK with me, since I route cables from each component to the left, then up or down, then to the right, to connect the other end. All cables are cut to exact length and run in a tight bunch. All power cables are routed similarly on the right. All this reduces the chance of hum -- either due to ground loops or through pickup. The cost of cables is low. Belden 1505A costs less than $0.40 per ft. Fully coaxial RCA connectors cost about 2 bucks apiece, so the average cable costs less than $5. Since there are about 50 such cables in a HT system, cabling costs about $250, plus about $50 for the video cables (all S-VHS) and another $40 for the two TosLink optical cables. As to your tech's comments: yes, commercial digital cables are, indeed, overpriced (some will say, beyond 'expensive' and into 'rip-off'). Nope, his cable does not 'beat the crap' out of *any* cable. They are sonically *exactly* alike, unless the commercial cable is faulty. (Usual disclaimer: many 'experts' will tell you that digital cables have a 'sonic signature' and -- since this is a moderately free world -- you are welcome to believe them. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Sep 8 03:20:57 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:20:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Thanks Everyone Message-ID: <20020907.212501.-326407.2.josephj69@juno.com> Javier, Did you ever figure out whether the Magnavox uses a CDM-2. Or does your Mac use the same laser as the Maganovx, but neither uses a CDM-2? - Joe On Fri, 6 Sep 2002 21:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Javier Perez writes: > I remember doing the research and it was said to be > difficult. I'd like to tap the data stream as soon as > it leaves the pickup. If the old dac gets it too i > don't care. At this point if I could find out where it > is I'd be willing to coil some wire around it and > listen in! I guess I don't understand enough about the > technology to understand why something like that is so > difficult to do. It sounds like a nobrainer in theory! > I have an MCD 7000 service manual which I've been > using > to kick my way around. It would be great to be able to > do this. as far as I know all pickups should sound the > same so with a good DAC I could be up to MCD7007 > standards. > > Thanks for the support! > > See Ya > Javier > > > --- Ed Noyes wrote: > > The laser current is pretty darn easy to set up... > > well, actually a pain in the ass to > > actually set up, but an easy procedure that just > > requires a lot of patience... you're > > going to want to note some of the worst offenders as > > far as skipping so that you can > > adjust it while they (and about a dozen other) disks > > play. I don't remember the > > specifics of the adjustment, but Stephen does. Check > > with him... I think he's even got > > the instructions saved as a document that he can > > send. Congrats on getting your 7000 > > running, it's a nice player that's built like a > > tank. Stephen will also tell you that > > it's just about impossible to get a digital out from > > it due to the chip set. > > > > Thanks, > > Ed > > > > Javier Perez wrote: > > > > > Hi > > > First of all I'de like to say thanks to Ron, > > Warren, > > > Steve for their advice on the flourescent bulbs > > and > > > electrolytes. The kitchen light now wortks as long > > as > > > I cycle power on and off very fast for about 2 > > > minutes. Also, I'd like to thank the the guy who > > > pointed me to the Magnavox FD1040. The boards are > > > identical and although it skips a little it does > > work. > > > The only difference as far as the signal path goes > > is > > > that the Mac has an additional filter board > > > downdstream of the standard DAC board. This leads > > me > > > to a question. I've heard that much of the > > original > > > complaints about the early CD players turned out > > to be > > > caused by improper mastering of the CDs. If this > > is > > > true would it be a good idea to just delete the > > filter > > > board? I'm tempted to try but was wondering what > > the > > > consensus was on the cause of the harshness in > > early > > > players. Before parting outr the poor Magnavox I > > > listened for awhile on my floydphones and didn't > > > really hear too much of a difference. I do have a > > plan > > > for it other than the junk heap. I'de like to hook > > up > > > a digital direct out but haven'tr a clue as to > > where > > > to start. I tried to figure it out a few years > > back > > > but hit a brick wall in that I couldn't figure out > > how > > > to tap into the signal before it hits the dac > > board. > > > Anyway > > > I'de appreciate any advice. > > > See Ya > > > Javier > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > > > http://finance.yahoo.com > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Mon Sep 9 08:15:14 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 06:15:14 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Naks again Message-ID: Been a bit quite after all the guntalk recently. Shall we get back on topic? Looking through ebay, I came across this and looks like one of our naktalk members may be getting a bargain: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1379789957 On another note, does anyone know how to configure or get a switching unit for in car use so that you can switch between two headunits? What I mean is if you have a TD-700 and another non Nak CD headunit and you may want to use them alternately with your power amps, so would need some sort of switching unit for the pre-outs so that at any one time only one headunit is feeding the power amps (a bit like a passive pre-amp in home hi-fi)? Kelvin _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Mon Sep 9 18:29:00 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 12:29:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Carver Model M-400, A, t Message-ID: <00b801c2581e$01a970a0$1e0b18ac@johnnyrotten> Anybody here want a good copy of a Carver Model M-400, A, t Magnetic Field Power Amp. ''Technical Service Manual'' for $10.00 plus postage? John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 11 19:21:54 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 00:21:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life Message-ID: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> Hi naksters, Just got a chance to pick up a 5 yr old Martin Logan SL3, but i heard that ML's (current) membrane lifespan is only about 15 yrs - even less for older production run - and even lesser in humid or tropical climate. Is that true ? Does that apply to all ELS speakers (as i know there are plenty of old Quads around) ? Does ribbon drivers (magnepan) live longer ? Any additional info, especially problems, on SL3/ELSs, will be greatly appreciated ! =) Thanks, Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Wed Sep 11 20:43:50 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:43:50 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D7F8EE5.42C0969D@earthlink.net> Hi Salim, I can't speak for Martin Logan but Innersound now offers a lifetime warranty on their new Eros III hybrid electrostats. All Innersound electrostats are desigend to work as designed, reliably, regardless of climate. Feel free to contact me off line for more information. I'm an Innersound dealer. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > Hi naksters, Just got a chance to pick up a 5 yr old Martin Logan > SL3, but i heard that ML's (current) membrane lifespan is only about > 15 yrs - even less for older production run - and even lesser in humid > or tropical climate. Is that true ? Does that apply to all ELS > speakers (as i know there are plenty of old Quads around) ? Does > ribbon drivers (magnepan) live longer ? Any additional info, > especially problems, on SL3/ELSs, will be greatly appreciated ! > =) Thanks,Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Sep 11 22:03:08 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:03:08 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Salim I would urge you to look at the other side of the coin - the wonderful sound that they make!. I have a pair of Martin Logan Quests from the early nineties, and they work *just fine*. On performance and quality grounds I can give a whole-hearted recommendation to Martin-Logans. I cannot comment on longevity of the panels, but I understand that you can obtain replaceements from ML easily enough. Have you had a listen to them yet? John Walker, proud owner of 1 pair of electrostatic speakers, and 2 pairs of electrostatic headphones Salim Marzuki wrote: > > Hi naksters, > > Just got a chance to pick up a 5 yr old Martin Logan SL3, but i heard > that ML's (current) membrane lifespan is only about 15 yrs - even less > for older production run - and even lesser in humid or tropical climate. > > Is that true ? Does that apply to all ELS speakers (as i know there > are plenty of old Quads around) ? Does ribbon drivers (magnepan) live > longer ? > > Any additional info, especially problems, on SL3/ELSs, will be greatly > appreciated ! =) > > Thanks, > Salim SM > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Never come across them before. Noticed they were actually more expensive than SA in my local shop! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 11 September 2002 21:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK MX The TDK MX tapes are same as SM-X Tdk MX90 TDK SM-X90 High Bias Magnetic Cassette Tape http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Consumer/Camcorders/Accessories/Vide ocassette_Tapes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mariano at starnet.net.ph Thu Sep 12 00:34:48 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Mariano L. Honrado, Jr.) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:34:48 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX References: <01C1DD8F.EFAAE220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7FC508.000001.00920@honrado-oan18i1> Gentlemen: I need congratulations, advice or sympathy. I recently acquired a great sounding 680ZX for the equivalent of $150.00. It s everything they say: rock solid transport, transparent spacious sound stage, even records at half speed (15/16). It also makes my computer rig sound great with its Audigy sound card and Altec speakers (but that's for another forum). When I auditioned this 680ZX at the store I was so engrossed on critically listening (literally with closed eyes) that I didn't pay much attention to the aesthetics and decided it was a great machine. In the unhurried homefront I now see that the flourescent level meter needs some work. Specifically, the right level indicator does not register even the loudest passages. It occasionally "sprints", leaves its peak footprint but that's all. It's a horrible sight looking at only the left level meter respond to the sound. Moreover, after a rewind the tape doesn't immediately start after hitting play. I have to turnover the tape (it doesn't have reverse playback) and do perhaps a two-second rewind and turn over the tape again. Is this something that a good tech can easily repair or will it need rare, difficult to find parts (in a third world country like the Philippines)? Should I just live with it? Thank you for any advice. Mariano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 2663 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 11 September 2002 21:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK MX The TDK MX tapes are same as SM-X Tdk MX90 TDK SM-X90 High Bias Magnetic Cassette Tape http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Consumer/Camcorders/Accessories/Vide ocassette_Tapes/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sambarr at netzero.net Thu Sep 12 06:45:43 2002 From: sambarr at netzero.net (samuelbarr@hotmail.com) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:45:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7F8EE5.42C0969D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, How ru? Please respond offline from Naktalkers. Be blessed. -Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life Hi Salim, I can't speak for Martin Logan but Innersound now offers a lifetime warranty on their new Eros III hybrid electrostats. All Innersound electrostats are desigend to work as designed, reliably, regardless of climate. Feel free to contact me off line for more information. I'm an Innersound dealer. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: Hi naksters, Just got a chance to pick up a 5 yr old Martin Logan SL3, but i heard that ML's (current) membrane lifespan is only about 15 yrs - even less for older production run - and even lesser in humid or tropical climate. Is that true ? Does that apply to all ELS speakers (as i know there are plenty of old Quads around) ? Does ribbon drivers (magnepan) live longer ? Any additional info, especially problems, on SL3/ELSs, will be greatly appreciated ! =) Thanks,Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 12 07:52:18 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 06:52:18 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <3D7FA793.8000401@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001101c25a20$8dd699a0$ca3787d9@oemcomputer> Anyone know where I can buy the wires for TT arm headshells that connect to the cartridge? Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 12 18:37:54 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:37:54 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002501c25a7e$06058780$72299bca@smarzuki> Thanks much John and Jim for your response. ESLs are quite rare over here so getting a second hand pair (read: affordable) is very difficult, and so is getting replacement parts. I guess longevity is not one of 'generic' ESL strength, with a trade off of fabulous sound (compared to my 25 yr old L100 =) I'll audition the pair this weekend and ... hopefully my coldhearted wallet still rules ... i'm getting weaker and weaker ... Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life Salim I would urge you to look at the other side of the coin - the wonderful sound that they make!. I have a pair of Martin Logan Quests from the early nineties, and they work *just fine*. On performance and quality grounds I can give a whole-hearted recommendation to Martin-Logans. I cannot comment on longevity of the panels, but I understand that you can obtain replaceements from ML easily enough. Have you had a listen to them yet? John Walker, proud owner of 1 pair of electrostatic speakers, and 2 pairs of electrostatic headphones Salim Marzuki wrote: > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 12 19:00:26 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 00:00:26 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX References: <01C1DD8F.EFAAE220.john@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D7FC508.000001.00920@honrado-oan18i1> Message-ID: <002601c25a7e$06dfbae0$72299bca@smarzuki> Ok, first: congratulations and welcome to the wonderful world of old n true naks.! Regarding your meter, mine also did weird stuff - after replacing some chips on the meter board it worked fine. Of course I had to mis-plug the meter connectors and ended up replacing all chips. Anyway now i had them on sockets and the logic chips are quite cheap. But do replace all orange caps first, maybe they also exist in the meter circuit -there's a schematics on Wouter's ftp. Some of the 4066 logic switches on my main board were also found faulty. Can't comment much about the rewind problem. Probably an overdue idler rubber ? Just follow the mechanical check steps on service manual, replace belts and i'm sure your 680 will continue to deliver. Living in the 3rd (now 4th ?) world has its own advantage: there's still some old stocks in my neighbourhood ... let me know if one day you need that rare 1000zxl static ram. Getting good quality burr brown op amps is a different story however. =) Good luck ! Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mariano L. Honrado, Jr. To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:34 AM Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 680ZX Gentlemen: I need congratulations, advice or sympathy. I recently acquired a great sounding 680ZX for the equivalent of $150.00. It's everything they say: rock solid transport, transparent spacious sound stage, even records at half speed (15/16). It also makes my computer rig sound great with its Audigy sound card and Altec speakers (but that's for another forum). When I auditioned this 680ZX at the store I was so engrossed on critically listening (literally with closed eyes) that I didn't pay much attention to the aesthetics and decided it was a great machine. In the unhurried homefront I now see that the flourescent level meter needs some work. Specifically, the right level indicator does not register even the loudest passages. It occasionally "sprints", leaves its peak footprint but that's all. It's a horrible sight looking at only the left level meter respond to the sound. Moreover, after a rewind the tape doesn't immediately start after hitting play. I have to turnover the tape (it doesn't have reverse playback) and do perhaps a two-second rewind and turn over the tape again. Is this something that a good tech can easily repair or will it need rare, difficult to find parts (in a third world country like the Philippines)? Should I just live with it? Thank you for any advice. Mariano ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Thu Sep 12 19:01:30 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:01:30 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TDK MX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c25a7e$0a689380$2a5687d9@oemcomputer> TDK MX ... unless my eyes deceived me! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: 12 September 2002 00:16 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MX Did you actually see a cassette labeled TDK-MX, or you saw TDK SM-X, which is called by this particular web side MX. (This side also refers to TDK MA as TDK A). Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: Wed, September 11, 2002 4:47 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] TDK MX Thanks Roland. Never come across them before. Noticed they were actually more expensive than SA in my local shop! Gra' -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Roland Alford Sent: 11 September 2002 21:35 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] TDK MX The TDK MX tapes are same as SM-X Tdk MX90 TDK SM-X90 High Bias Magnetic Cassette Tape http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Consumer/Camcorders/Accessories/Vide ocassette_Tapes/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Thu Sep 12 19:26:15 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:26:15 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0D1@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Marathon Tape: M-Tape1 mailed on its way to JS. great track selections!!! Coax vs Optical: my recently purchased A/V receiver acommodates both, but my dealer recommended against optical for shortcomings at the connection points. one would need to spend too much for a unit that would provide the superior connects needed to make a positive difference. my 2 cents, andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Thu Sep 12 19:37:34 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:37:34 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002501c25a7e$06058780$72299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D80D0DE.7F854D54@earthlink.net> Good luck, Salim. For your information, I auditioned a number of Martin Logans models extensively three years ago and walked away disappointed. The Aerius, SL3, Request and Monolith all had integration problems between the woofer and the panel. Piano is especially revealing of coherence and I could always hear the woofers operating separately. It was a nagging problem and one that I could not live with. I walked with the conclusion that it just wasn't possible to design a proper hybrid electrostat. That is, until I heard the Innersound speakers. They use a transmission line enclosure with a very high excursion woofer. The woofers stop and start on a dime (no boomy bass), resulting in stunningly fast dynamics and tight, focused, deep, powerful bass and seamless integration with the panels. Martin Logan uses second order crossovers, which frankly asks the panels to operate too low in frequency. Innersound uses fourth order crossovers, taking undue stress off the panel and maintaining perfect phase through the crossover region. Also, the panels are not curved, so the speaker does not shoot sound all over the room. You hear much more music and much less of your listening room. The only catch is that the Innersound's sweet spot is about two feet wide, making it a "one person speaker", but the flat panel design is also largely responsible for the glorious sound heard while there. And unlike most electrostats, Innersounds operate perfectly reliably in humid climates. Perhaps this is the reason why Innersound is so popular in southeast Asia. By the way, the Innersound Isis retails for $3000 US. I forget where you live, Salim, but there is a dealer is Thailand: 4D Digital Bangkok Phone +66 2 320 25 701 I wouldn't be surprised if you have a dealer in your country too. Call Innersound here in the US at (770) 838 1400. Roger Sanders is the president and designer at Innersound and will be more than happy to assist you. Cheers, Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > Thanks much John and Jim for your response. ESLs are quite rare over here > so getting a second hand pair (read: affordable) is very difficult, and so > is getting replacement parts. I guess longevity is not one of 'generic' ESL > strength, with a trade off of fabulous sound (compared to my 25 yr old L100 > =) I'll audition the pair this weekend and ... hopefully my coldhearted > wallet still rules ... i'm getting weaker and weaker ... > > Best regards, > Salim SM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Sep 12 21:20:40 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 14:20:40 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0D1@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <002301c25a91$80d90820$88232ac4@CopyTech> ATTENTION: My receiving address has been changed ! Please reply off list; my sender of Tape 1 and Tape 2 . Thanks! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: Dundis, Andy To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:26 PM Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical Marathon Tape: M-Tape1 mailed on its way to JS. great track selections!!! Coax vs Optical: my recently purchased A/V receiver acommodates both, but my dealer recommended against optical for shortcomings at the connection points. one would need to spend too much for a unit that would provide the superior connects needed to make a positive difference. my 2 cents, andy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 12 21:25:56 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 20:25:56 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002501c25a7e$06058780$72299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D80EA44.6070205@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> If you are going to audition, I will place a modest bet that the heart will win over the head this time.. Salim Marzuki wrote: >Thanks much John and Jim for your response. ESLs are quite rare over here >so getting a second hand pair (read: affordable) is very difficult, and so >is getting replacement parts. I guess longevity is not one of 'generic' ESL >strength, with a trade off of fabulous sound (compared to my 25 yr old L100 >=) I'll audition the pair this weekend and ... hopefully my coldhearted >wallet still rules ... i'm getting weaker and weaker ... > >Best regards, >Salim SM > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Walker >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 3:03 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life > > >Salim >I would urge you to look at the other side of the coin - the wonderful >sound that they make!. I have a pair of Martin Logan Quests from the >early nineties, and they work *just fine*. On performance and quality >grounds I can give a whole-hearted recommendation to Martin-Logans. I >cannot comment on longevity of the panels, but I understand that you can >obtain replaceements from ML easily enough. Have you had a listen to >them yet? > >John Walker, proud owner of 1 pair of electrostatic speakers, and 2 >pairs of electrostatic headphones > >Salim Marzuki wrote: > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Sep 13 03:55:26 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:55:26 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 1 Status (Sept 12, 2002) Message-ID: So, with Andy's recent message, we have the M-Tape 1 on its way to John Smokeovitch, then Ed Noyes, then Kannan, then Mark Exstedt, and finally then to Damon Josz. After that stretch of time, Carlos 'El Magnifico' Guzman receives the tape from Damon to perform mastering and duplication. Carlos, what do you require from us to support you in the mastering and duplication process? Everybody got the sequence correctly? Look at the website to be sure, my friends..... http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper copy 'n paste from M-Tape webpages.... ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Andy Dundis, Washington, Nebraska, USA Musical track ~ "Little Blind Fish", performed by CPR (D. Crosby, J. Pevar, J. Raymond) Nak 660ZX, recording made August 2002 Andy Dundis' photo opportunity ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ John Smokeovitch, ....., USA Musical track ~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined Nak ???, recording made September 2002 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ed Noyes, Old Saybrook, Connecticut, USA Musical track~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined Nak 700II, recording made September 2002 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Kannan S., (temporarily of) San Jose, California, USA Musical track ~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined Nak CR7, recording made September 2002 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Mark Exstedt, ?????, ????, USA Musical track~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined Nak Dragon, recording made September 2002 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Damon Josz, Sunapee, New Hampshire, USA Musical track~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined Nak 600, recording made September 2002 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Sep 13 03:59:24 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:59:24 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer Message-ID: So, does anyone know where I can locate a nice used Nak T-100 Audio Analyzer? Kindly reply to me at my persoanl emal address. K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper --------- Forwarded Message --------- DATE: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 08:48:26 From: "The BlueSwapper" To: naktalk at naks.com Cc:blueswapper at angelfire.com I'm wondering if any of my NakTalk buddies possess and/or have experience using the Nakamichi T-100, a portable audio analyzing component manufactured between 1978 and 1982. Based on my limited knowledge of the purpose of the T-100, primarily from reading exerpts about the T-100 in my ZX7 users manual, this unit will probably be the next piece of Nak gear I want in my collection. I'd really enjoy learning more about the T-100 before I try to grab one on ebay or another source. Please post replies to NakTalk or directly to me. Best regards, and thanks for NakTalking!!! K.J. Bleus ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/index.html http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 13 05:22:10 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:22:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c25ad4$bf5cece0$2a5687d9@oemcomputer> Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were the last person to post it?? Gra' > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Fri Sep 13 07:55:36 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 07:55:36 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 Message-ID: <003001c25aea$2f0ca480$521d07c4@private> Can someone please advise whether this machine can still hold its head high amongst current cd players.That is,is it still worthwhile buying or should one rather acquire a more modern machine? Thanks for your input! Mr.Bleus,T100 s feature quite often on German eBay.That does not help you as they operate on 220/240volts and not as I presume on 120 v. Schaltungsdienst Lange in Berlin carry both the operators manual as well as the service manual.These are relatively cheap as well ! Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From series900 at nhvt.net Fri Sep 13 14:40:20 2002 From: series900 at nhvt.net (Damon Josz) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:40:20 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 1 Status (Sept 12, 2002) References: Message-ID: <006e01c25b22$bc4aa760$7ac16bd8@m5e0c7> Loud and clear! thanks , Damon ----- Original Message ----- From: "The BlueSwapper" To: Cc: ; "Carlos Guzman" Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 1 Status (Sept 12, 2002) > So, with Andy's recent message, we have the M-Tape 1 on its way to John Smokeovitch, then Ed Noyes, then Kannan, then Mark Exstedt, and finally then to Damon Josz. After that stretch of time, Carlos 'El Magnifico' Guzman receives the tape from Damon to perform mastering and duplication. Carlos, what do you require from us to support you in the mastering and duplication process? > > Everybody got the sequence correctly? Look at the website to be sure, my friends..... > > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/nakmarathon.html > > K.J. Bleus > > --- > Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? > http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper > > > copy 'n paste from M-Tape webpages.... > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Andy Dundis, Washington, Nebraska, USA > > Musical track ~ "Little Blind Fish", performed by CPR (D. Crosby, J. Pevar, J. Raymond) > > Nak 660ZX, recording made August 2002 > > Andy Dundis' photo opportunity > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > John Smokeovitch, ....., USA > > Musical track ~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined > > Nak ???, recording made September 2002 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Ed Noyes, Old Saybrook, Connecticut, USA > > Musical track~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined > > Nak 700II, recording made September 2002 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Kannan S., (temporarily of) San Jose, California, USA > > Musical track ~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined > > Nak CR7, recording made September 2002 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Mark Exstedt, ?????, ????, USA > > Musical track~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined > > Nak Dragon, recording made September 2002 > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > Damon Josz, Sunapee, New Hampshire, USA > > Musical track~ "To Be Determined", performed by To Be Determined > > Nak 600, recording made September 2002 > > > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > > > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably > Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. > Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Fri Sep 13 17:32:35 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:32:35 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 Wireless Remote Control Message-ID: <002d01c25b3a$db597920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> One of these is available on ebay with a buy it now of $350. My question is what did these originally retail for, and what do people think they are worth? I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than it's worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy prices not long ago. Thanks, Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Are the (the present gears) responsible for the recorder taking my tapes for lunch/swallowing them? When it's not eating tapes it sounds magnificent. May I thank Salim for his advice on the 680ZX FL level meters. Unfortunately I am rethinking the 680ZX because of near fatal recording problems (probaly needs a new recording head). Many thanks as well to Ron for his advice on the coax cables. I am now a card-bearing convert and planning to replace my preamp to amp cabling with solid core, hand-built ones. BTW, which cabling is better - XLR or solid core coax with RCA jacks (assuming my preamp and amp could take either) ? Thank you so much for any kind response/s. Mariano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Fri Sep 13 20:05:45 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:05:45 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status References: <002701c25ad4$bf5cece0$2a5687d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000e01c25b50$2f7fa140$91199bca@smarzuki> Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) ... maybe we should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still take a long time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each send a tape with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be dissected anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Nelson To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were the last person to post it?? Gra' > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Fri Sep 13 20:32:21 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:32:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope Message-ID: <001501c25b53$e65c3150$1a756acf@johnnyrotten> I appear to have inherited a ''YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope'' Oscilloscope. Does anybody here have any scoop on the Scope? Thank you. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 13 20:52:20 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:52:20 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status ATTENTION: Nick Gornostayev In-Reply-To: <000e01c25b50$2f7fa140$91199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <000c01c25b56$b08645e0$b44f87d9@oemcomputer> Nick Have you received the tape yet? Jim posted it around 3 weeks ago. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > ... maybe we > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still take a long > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each send a tape > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be dissected > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 13 20:55:31 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:55:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <18560.020912@mtu-net.ru> Message-ID: <000d01c25b57$22292780$b44f87d9@oemcomputer> Thanks for this, Vlad. I've contacted a couple of dealers for a price but they seem in no hurry to sell the wire to me ... neither have bothered yet to reply to my e-mail! If there are any dealers on the NakList who'd like to contact me off-List, with a price ... Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Vladimir > Sent: 12 September 2002 10:28 > To: Graham Nelson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT > > > Hello Graham, > > I dont know about GB, but I strongly recommend Ortofon or VDH wires > for this purpose/ > > Regards, Vladimir Zimakov > > ÷åòâåðã, 12 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > GN> Anyone know where I can buy the wires for TT arm headshells > that connect to > GN> the cartridge? > > GN> Gra' > > > GN> --- > GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > GN> Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > GN> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From penry at nortelnetworks.com Fri Sep 13 21:29:11 2002 From: penry at nortelnetworks.com (Charles Penry) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 14:29:11 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope Message-ID: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EA3A07@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> John, What you have is a modulation monitor oscilloscope that is a specialized piece of test equipment designed to let Amateur (Ham) Radio operators see their RF modulation amplitude and waveform patterns. It connects to a transmitter's RF output and samples this signal, then passes the transmitted RF on to the antenna. A search on Google will help you get an idea of what it might sell for. Charles -----Original Message----- From: John M. Tooley [mailto:jmtooley at ce.net] Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 1:32 PM To: reeltoreel at yahoogroups.com; naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope I appear to have inherited a ''YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope'' Oscilloscope. Does anybody here have any scoop on the Scope? Thank you. John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 13 21:55:05 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:55:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical Message-ID: <3D824299.C13DB906@rcn.com> >Marathon Tape: >M-Tape1 mailed on its way to JS. great track selections!!! > >Coax vs Optical: >my recently purchased A/V receiver acommodates both, but my >dealer recommended against optical for shortcomings at the >connection points. The bias against optical digital interconnects is one of the 'Esoteric Audio' myths; along with green ink, bricks on amps and $600 line cords. The fact is (I'm talking about Engineering facts, not the Marketing variety) that sonically, optical and coax cables are identical. It is entirely true that the home audio implementation of optical cables, known as TosLink, was designed for low cost rather than robustness. This means that it won't take a large man jumping up and down on it. If, on the other hand, you carefully plug it in and leave it be, it will last for many years. Longer, in fact, than Coax. In the good old days, all dealers whole heartedly recommended fiber cables. Why? They cost more than coax cables and provided larger profit. Today, when hordes of suckers are paying 3 digit prices for coax cables that do exactly what $5 ones do (making for even higher profits), the dealers, all of a sudden, have discovered that coax sounds better. Personally, I take recommendations from people that stand to gain by said recommendations with a small sack of salt. >one would need to spend too much for a unit that would >provide the superior connects needed to make a positive >difference. That's false. Does it reflect your own experience, or another recommendation of your dealer? >my 2 cents, Isn't it your dealer's 2 cents? :-) -- Ron > andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at attbi.com Fri Sep 13 23:02:17 2002 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 17:02:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EA3A07@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> Message-ID: <3D825259.9080703@attbi.com> I think it is a match for the old Yaesu FT 101 transceiver, a ham HF rig from the late 70's early 80' perhaps ... Bruno **************** Charles Penry wrote: > John, > > What you have is a modulation monitor oscilloscope that is a > specialized piece of test equipment designed to let Amateur (Ham) > Radio operators see their RF modulation amplitude and waveform > patterns. It connects to a transmitter's RF output and samples this > signal, then passes the transmitted RF on to the antenna. > > > > A search on Google will help you get an idea of what it might sell for. > > > > > > Charles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 14 00:44:47 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:44:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos In-Reply-To: <000e01c25b50$2f7fa140$91199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <001501c25b77$298f7ae0$b44f87d9@oemcomputer> Bleus, Carlos What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up somewhere in Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be sent directly to you from all participants in the chain? Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Salim Marzuki > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > ... maybe we > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still take a long > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each send a tape > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be dissected > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > Cheers, > Salim SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Graham Nelson > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were the > last person to post it?? > > Gra' > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 08:01:16 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 23:01:16 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EA3A07@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> <3D825259.9080703@attbi.com> Message-ID: <3D82D0AC.F184FC88@earthlink.net> Hi Bruno, I was curious if you sent an email to my friend, Alex regarding his Dynalex ST70 tube amp. It's a sweet little amp. Another friend of mine is using with it with a pair of $7200 Dynaudio Contour 3.3 with great results in a 18' x 12' x 9' room. I have to remind myself every time I listen to his system that the amp is rated at only 15 wpc! Enjoy your weekend! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sat Sep 14 09:21:19 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:21:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EA3A07@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> <3D825259.9080703@attbi.com> <3D82D0AC.F184FC88@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <3D82E36F.19E816B2@earthlink.net> Oops... This was supposed to be an off line message. Sorry guys! Jim Volpatti wrote: > Hi Bruno, > > I was curious if you sent an email to my friend, Alex regarding his > Dynalex ST70 tube amp. It's a sweet little amp. Another friend of mine > is using with it with a pair of $7200 Dynaudio Contour 3.3 with great > results in a 18' x 12' x 9' room. I have to remind myself every time I > listen to his system that the amp is rated at only 15 wpc! > > Enjoy your weekend! > > Jim Volpatti > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Sat Sep 14 10:28:55 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:28:55 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 References: <3D821FBC.000003.00968@honrado-oan18i1> Message-ID: <002601c25bc8$c5202440$233442cf@cta> BX300's were never produced with the gear drive. The only time they do have it is when someone has installed it. The gear drive is not an essential thing to install. You can keep the deck running quite happily with the rubber idler drive, with a few minutes of maintenance every so often. I put an instructional text I wrote on the subject on my webspace, at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt On the 680ZX, odds are fairly good that all problems will disappear if you just replace the two dozen or so orange-colored, epoxy-dipped polyester film capacitors in the whole unit. Including two inside the meter display case. It's very, very unlikely that a head is bad, unless clearly worn out. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mariano L. Honrado, Jr." To: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [naktalk] BX-300 Sirs: I know these questions have been asked a zillion times but I'm sorry I wasn t paying attention when it didn't matter to me ... then. I am considering a BX-300 with a Serial No. tag that read as follows: A1267 21566 The closest I can graphically describe the rear tag is that there are two lines; "A1267" is on top of the "21566" and the top line is in a smaller font size. What exactly is the serial number on this machine? Is this one that needs a gear modification? What is the earliest serial number of this model that ALREADY has the new gear? Are the (the present gears) responsible for the recorder taking my tapes for lunch/swallowing them? When it's not eating tapes it sounds magnificent. May I thank Salim for his advice on the 680ZX FL level meters. Unfortunately I am rethinking the 680ZX because of near fatal recording problems (probaly needs a new recording head). Many thanks as well to Ron for his advice on the coax cables. I am now a card-bearing convert and planning to replace my preamp to amp cabling with solid core, hand-built ones. BTW, which cabling is better - XLR or solid core coax with RCA jacks (assuming my preamp and amp could take either) ? Thank you so much for any kind response/s. Mariano ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doctordeaf at nakedresource.com Sat Sep 14 15:44:31 2002 From: doctordeaf at nakedresource.com (doctordeaf) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:44:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <000d01c25b57$22292780$b44f87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <000001c25bf4$e10d5390$78db87d9@JAS> Hi Graham, Try Custom Cable for Audio Note silver or Ortofon ready made cartridge flying leads. There in the accessories/turntable/tonearm section of the catalogue. http://www.custom-cable.co.uk I've also used some of Origin Lives recommended 'litz construction' tonearm wire and rather nice cartridge tags to make my own - just email Mark Baker at OL with your needs and he should give you a fair price. Regards, Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com] On Behalf Of Graham Nelson Sent: 13 September 2002 19:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT Thanks for this, Vlad. I've contacted a couple of dealers for a price but they seem in no hurry to sell the wire to me ... neither have bothered yet to reply to my e-mail! If there are any dealers on the NakList who'd like to contact me off-List, with a price ... Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Vladimir > Sent: 12 September 2002 10:28 > To: Graham Nelson > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT > > > Hello Graham, > > I dont know about GB, but I strongly recommend Ortofon or VDH wires > for this purpose/ > > Regards, Vladimir Zimakov > > ÷åòâåðã, 12 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > GN> Anyone know where I can buy the wires for TT arm headshells > that connect to > GN> the cartridge? > > GN> Gra' > > > GN> --- > GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > GN> Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > GN> > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > Cassette Deck resource. > GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html GN> ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========---------------------------------------------------------------- --== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Furthermore In the same mail he says that "before around serial number A130-09400 the deck also had the infamously unreliable rubber tire based reel drive mechanism". As you can imagine my second action was to open the deck and check it. I was very pleased to see that it has had a gear drive upgrade. But is there a way for someone who, like me, knows nothing of electronics to check whether the deck has had the "rec eq and rec amp circuits" modified? Greetings Jannis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 14 17:54:33 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 11:54:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT References: <000d01c25b57$22292780$b44f87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D835BB9.722659C4@rcn.com> Graham, Take a look at: http://www.needledoctor.com/showitem.cfm?catnum=3&parentcatnum=0&itemnum=409 They sell the Audio Quest model HL-5 Headshell Leads for a mere 20 bucks. I wonder, though, why would anyone pay $20 for something that can be made for next to nothing (8 pin clips plus a few inches of thin stranded wire, plus a few minutes labour). -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > Thanks for this, Vlad. I've contacted a couple of dealers for a price but > they seem in no hurry to sell the wire to me ... neither have bothered yet > to reply to my e-mail! If there are any dealers on the NakList who'd like > to contact me off-List, with a price ... > > Graham > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Vladimir > > Sent: 12 September 2002 10:28 > > To: Graham Nelson > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT > > > > > > Hello Graham, > > > > I dont know about GB, but I strongly recommend Ortofon or VDH wires > > for this purpose/ > > > > Regards, Vladimir Zimakov > > > > ÷åòâåðã, 12 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > > > GN> Anyone know where I can buy the wires for TT arm headshells > > that connect to > > GN> the cartridge? > > > > GN> Gra' > > > > > > GN> --- > > GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > GN> Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > > GN> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi > > Cassette Deck resource. > > GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > GN> > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 14 18:01:31 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:01:31 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <000001c25bf4$e10d5390$78db87d9@JAS> Message-ID: <000001c25c07$ff152ee0$474c87d9@oemcomputer> Thanks Jim - much obliged. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > doctordeaf > Sent: 14 September 2002 14:45 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: TT > > > Hi Graham, > > Try Custom Cable for Audio Note silver or Ortofon ready made cartridge > flying leads. There in the accessories/turntable/tonearm section of the > catalogue. > > http://www.custom-cable.co.uk > > I've also used some of Origin Lives recommended 'litz construction' > tonearm wire and rather nice cartridge tags to make my own - just email > Mark Baker at OL with your needs and he should give you a fair price. > > > Regards, > Jim > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 14 20:15:17 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:15:17 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: TT In-Reply-To: <3D835BB9.722659C4@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000701c25c1a$ad993800$f0a8193e@oemcomputer> Thanks Ron. $20 is cheap - I notice the Audio Quest ones sell for about $50! I'm going to do as Jim suggested and see if I can buy the bit necessary to make my own. Cheers Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: 14 September 2002 16:55 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: TT > > > Graham, Take a look at: > > http://www.needledoctor.com/showitem.cfm?catnum=3&parentcatnum=0&i > temnum=409 > > They sell the Audio Quest model HL-5 Headshell Leads > for a mere 20 bucks. I wonder, though, why would > anyone pay $20 for something that can be made for > next to nothing (8 pin clips plus a few inches of thin > stranded wire, plus a few minutes labour). > > -- Ron > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jmtooley at ce.net Sat Sep 14 21:43:34 2002 From: jmtooley at ce.net (John M. Tooley) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:43:34 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EA3A07@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> <3D825259.9080703@attbi.com> Message-ID: <008b01c25c27$0352e780$30756acf@johnnyrotten> Thank you Bruno. Do you know of anybody that might like it really cheap? John ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruno Vasil To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope I think it is a match for the old Yaesu FT 101 transceiver, a ham HF rig from the late 70's early 80' perhaps ... Bruno **************** Charles Penry wrote: John, What you have is a modulation monitor oscilloscope that is a specialized piece of test equipment designed to let Amateur (Ham) Radio operators see their RF modulation amplitude and waveform patterns. It connects to a transmitter's RF output and samples this signal, then passes the transmitted RF on to the antenna. A search on Google will help you get an idea of what it might sell for. Charles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sat Sep 14 23:20:56 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:20:56 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos References: <001501c25b77$298f7ae0$b44f87d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00a601c25c34$a3529bb0$e72f2ac4@CopyTech> Hello Gra': Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite though. SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > Bleus, Carlos > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up somewhere in > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be sent > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > Graham > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Salim Marzuki > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > ... maybe we > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still take a long > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each send a tape > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be dissected > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > Cheers, > > Salim SM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Graham Nelson > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were the > > last person to post it?? > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bfvasil at attbi.com Sat Sep 14 23:53:05 2002 From: bfvasil at attbi.com (Bruno Vasil) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 17:53:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope References: <9596134A623ED511B7790002A560797403EA3A07@zrc2c010.us.nortel.com> <3D825259.9080703@attbi.com> <008b01c25c27$0352e780$30756acf@johnnyrotten> Message-ID: <3D83AFC1.1090806@attbi.com> My days as a ham long expired, especially with the advent of the Internet.. Sorry , Bruno ****************************** John M. Tooley wrote: > Thank you Bruno. Do you know of anybody that might like it really cheap? > > > > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From:Bruno Vasil > > To:naktalk at naks.com > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] YAESU YO-101 Monitor Scope > > > I think it is a match for the old Yaesu FT 101 transceiver, a ham > HF rig from > the late 70's early 80' perhaps ... > > Bruno > > **************** > > Charles Penry wrote: > >> John, >> >> What you have is a modulation monitor oscilloscope that is a >> specialized piece of test equipment designed to let Amateur (Ham) >> Radio operators see their RF modulation amplitude and waveform >> patterns. It connects to a transmitter's RF output and samples >> this signal, then passes the transmitted RF on to the antenna. >> >> >> >> A search on Google will help you get an idea of what it might >> sell for. >> >> >> >> >> >> Charles >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than it's > worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy > prices > not long ago. > > Thanks, > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:42:52 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Saturday, September 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2650 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:20:56 -0500 >From: "El Magnifico" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > >Hello Gra': > >Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite though. > >So, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > >Carlos > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Nelson" >To: >Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM >Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > >> Bleus, Carlos >> >> What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up somewhere in >> Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after >> that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be >sent >> directly to you from all participants in the chain? >> >> Graham >> > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2650 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 15 02:04:45 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 01:04:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS In-Reply-To: <00a601c25c34$a3529bb0$e72f2ac4@CopyTech> Message-ID: <000f01c25c4b$7ffa2e00$f0a8193e@oemcomputer> Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is taking too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can update the website. Thanks for your co-operation. Graham > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > El Magnifico > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > Hello Gra': > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > though. > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > somewhere in > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be > sent > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > Graham > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > Salim Marzuki > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > ... maybe we > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > take a long > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > send a tape > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > dissected > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were > the > > > last person to post it?? > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > Deck resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > > > --- > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 15 13:41:42 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 18:41:42 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002501c25a7e$06058780$72299bca@smarzuki> <3D80EA44.6070205@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002d01c25cac$dcd56ca0$be199bca@smarzuki> Guess you won the bet John ... thanks much !!! Actually my wallet had already ruled, but then he lowered the price .... a tiny bit =) ... anyway ... it sounds marvelous ! Best part is that he included a pair of spare panel, so i don't have to worry much for the next 15 years. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 2:25 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life If you are going to audition, I will place a modest bet that the heart will win over the head this time.. Salim Marzuki wrote: >Thanks much John and Jim for your response. ESLs are quite rare over here >so getting a second hand pair (read: affordable) is very difficult, and so >is getting replacement parts. I guess longevity is not one of 'generic' ESL >strength, with a trade off of fabulous sound (compared to my 25 yr old L100 >=) I'll audition the pair this weekend and ... hopefully my coldhearted >wallet still rules ... i'm getting weaker and weaker ... > >Best regards, >Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From copytec at coqui.net Sun Sep 15 16:28:12 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:28:12 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS References: <000f01c25c4b$7ffa2e00$f0a8193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <001d01c25cc4$22ff3050$83232ac4@CopyTech> New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: Carlos J. Guzman 51 Calle Batey Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 Thanks, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. > PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. > > The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - > do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is taking > too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can > update the website. > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > Hello Gra': > > > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling > > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > > though. > > > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > > somewhere in > > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be > > sent > > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > > ... maybe we > > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > > take a long > > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > > send a tape > > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > > dissected > > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were > > the > > > > last person to post it?? > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > > > > --- > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 15 18:23:46 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 09:23:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002501c25a7e$06058780$72299bca@smarzuki> <3D80EA44.6070205@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002d01c25cac$dcd56ca0$be199bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D84B411.D8D919E7@earthlink.net> Great! Looks like we have another electrostat convert on Naktalk! = ) Congratulations Salim!! Jim Volpatti Salim Marzuki wrote: > Guess you won the bet John ... thanks much !!! Actually my wallet had > already ruled, but then he lowered the price .... a tiny bit =) ... > anyway ... it sounds marvelous ! Best part is that he included a pair > of spare panel, so i don't have to worry much for the next 15 > years. Best regards,Salim SM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 15 20:15:43 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:15:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life References: <000701c259b7$bf31e2c0$b8299bca@smarzuki> <3D7FA17C.6060507@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002501c25a7e$06058780$72299bca@smarzuki> <3D80EA44.6070205@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <002d01c25cac$dcd56ca0$be199bca@smarzuki> <3D84B411.D8D919E7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001d01c25ce3$e88bc1c0$40299bca@smarzuki> Thanks again Jim ... I haven't stopped listening almost 12 hrs straight since it arrived this morning : even to my tin ear it's such completely new sound ! Less 'punch' but much more natural. If i can have another OT question, on cd player / dac ... how does Rotel 1070 compared to older rcd 971 ? Is the newer Burr Brown 1732 DAC in the same 'league' as older PCM63 ? Any info of transport type used on these units ? (the famous philips cdm 12.4 ???) By the way i read high praise on google about PCM1702 (used on Naks MB1/2/3), said to be one of the best of old BB DAC, with laser trimmed array of resistors. Interestingly, one of the local store that carries Rotel didn't recommend to 'upgrade' from Nak ! Thanks again in advance, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Volpatti To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT again: Electrostat's Life Great! Looks like we have another electrostat convert on Naktalk! = ) Congratulations Salim!! Jim Volpatti ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Sep 16 06:43:36 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:43:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status ATTENTION: Nick Gornostayev Message-ID: <0EDBD97A.0F3E9EDC.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Graham and everybody, Please take my apologies for the slight delay with the answer (I was away for the week-end). I got the M-tape just on Saturday and will record my selection today, i.e. post it tomorrow. I'm a bit at a loss as I can't reach Marc Hugo (who is my successive) by E-mail. Oops! I just read the following E-mails! So I should send the tape directly to Carlos to his new mail address, right? Wilco! It's a pity the tape fails to finish the planned journey but you're right the time constraints prevail in this case. With best wishes, Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Sep 16 07:06:48 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:36:48 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Message-ID: <20020916050648.27F9D1149A5@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 16 09:39:50 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 01:39:50 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <001101c25c05$a7224cb0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <008401c25d54$3ecaa860$0a3442cf@cta> It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side of the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been corrected. In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jannis" To: "naktalk" Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:44 AM Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 Hello And thanks to all who helped me with my problems with the German eBay deal. Anyway he CR-7 E finally arrived from Germany and if you excuse some scratches in the top it looks ok. I have not had the time to listen to it thoroughly yet. So no opinions on the acoustic side of the subject yet. First thing I did, however, was to check the serial number: A130-02307. I remember an e-mail from Stephen in which he states that the CR-7 "before serial A130- 08677 had a mistake made in the design of the rec eq & rec amp circuits". Furthermore In the same mail he says that "before around serial number A130-09400 the deck also had the infamously unreliable rubber tire based reel drive mechanism". As you can imagine my second action was to open the deck and check it. I was very pleased to see that it has had a gear drive upgrade. But is there a way for someone who, like me, knows nothing of electronics to check whether the deck has had the "rec eq and rec amp circuits" modified? Greetings Jannis ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Mon Sep 16 12:19:52 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Master) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:19:52 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX orange caps / BX-300 gear mod References: <002601c25bc8$c5202440$233442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D85B048.000001.02560@mariano> Mr. Sank wrote: "On the 680ZX, odds are fairly good that all problems will disappear if you just replace the two dozen or so orange-colored, epoxy-dipped polyester film capacitors in the whole unit. Including two inside the meter display case. It's very, very unlikely that a head is bad, unless clearly worn out." Thank you Mr. Sank for your thoughtful advice on the 680ZX. I'm now more confident about the recording problem although I didn't describe it in detail in my last posting. Actually, the left channel wasn't recording at all. Not a pip, absolutely nada. This led me to believe it could be the recording head although there didn't seem to be obvious wear. I've asked my tech to replace the dreaded orange caps first and will update you about it. The deck sounds great during playback for which that alone would be worth the price already (to me, at least). At risk of unmasking the dummy novice that I am, what are the correct specs for the replacement caps? BX300's were never produced with the gear drive. The only time they do have it is when someone has installed it. The gear drive is not an essential thing to install. You can keep the deck running quite happily with the rubber idler drive, with a few minutes of maintenance every so often. I put an instructional text I wrote on the subject on my webspace, at: http://www thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt I am attaching a small .gif file of the first of seven (7) pages of an official-looking Nakamichi service bulletin number 00D-SI-3117 dated January 27, 1989. The subject line is "How to change take-up/supply reel hub ass'y (assembly?) and reel motor ass'y from pulley type to gear type". Note the models enumerated: BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-1, BX-2, MR-2, RX-202/CR-7, CR-5, BX-300, MR-1 (whew!, long list). I can't vouch for this info as I don t recall the URL from which I downloaded the file. The memo has a blank "Serial No. from" line. Would somebody please unconfuse me? Cheers! Mariano -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 16 15:19:17 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:19:17 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <001101c25c05$a7224cb0$13945dd5@jannis> <008401c25d54$3ecaa860$0a3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D85DA55.D1B4DEBA@rcn.com> As someone that has used a CR-7 both before and after the equalization mod, I second Stephen in the opinion that the mod is highly recommended. In my case, there was a marked improvement in sound quality after installing the mod, even before recalibration of the deck. It was further improved by recalibration (I am not sure whether all CR-7s must be recalibrated after installing the mod, or my specific deck needed recalibration anyway). -- Ron Stephen Sank wrote: > It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove > the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side of > the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC > labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of > unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these > two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, > but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been > corrected. > In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the > machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jannis" > To: "naktalk" > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:44 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 > > Hello > > And thanks to all who helped me with my problems with the German eBay deal. > > Anyway he CR-7 E finally arrived from Germany and if you excuse some > scratches in the top it looks ok. > > I have not had the time to listen to it thoroughly yet. So no opinions on > the acoustic side of the subject yet. > > First thing I did, however, was to check the serial number: A130-02307. > > I remember an e-mail from Stephen in which he states that the CR-7 "before > serial A130- 08677 had a mistake made in the design of the rec eq & rec amp > circuits". Furthermore In the same mail he says that "before around serial > number A130-09400 the deck also had the infamously unreliable rubber tire > based reel drive mechanism". > > As you can imagine my second action was to open the deck and check it. I > was very pleased to see that it has had a gear drive upgrade. > > But is there a way for someone who, like me, knows nothing of electronics > to check whether the deck has had the "rec eq and rec amp circuits" > modified? > > Greetings > > Jannis > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 16 15:36:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:36:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] 680ZX orange caps / BX-300 gear mod References: <002601c25bc8$c5202440$233442cf@cta> <3D85B048.000001.02560@mariano> Message-ID: <3D85DE5F.8B2384C6@rcn.com> Master wrote: >Mr. Sank wrote:>>"On the 680ZX, odds are fairly good that all problems will disappear if you >just replace the two dozen or so orange-colored, epoxy-dipped polyester film >capacitors in the whole unit. Including two inside the meter display case. It's >very, very unlikely that a head is bad, unless clearly worn out.">Thank you Mr. Sank for your thoughtful advice on the 680ZX. I'm now more >confident about the recording problem although I didn't describe it in detail in my >last posting. Actually, the left channel wasn't recording at all. Not a pip, absolutely >nada. This led me to believe it could be the recording head although there didn't >seem to be obvious wear. I've asked my tech to replace the dreaded orange caps >first and will update you about it. The deck sounds great during playback for >which that alone would be worth the price already (to me, at least).>>At risk of unmasking the dummy novice that I am, what are the correct specs for >the replacement caps? The safest approach is to replace each cap with an exact replacement; that is, exact same value and same or higher voltage rating and tolerance. >BX300's were never produced with the gear drive. The only time they >do have it is when someone has installed it. The gear drive is not an >essential thing to install. You can keep the deck running quite happily >with the rubber idler drive, with a few minutes of maintenance every >so often. I put an instructional text I wrote on the subject on my >webspace, at: http://www.thuntek.net/~bk11/Idler_instruction.txt > >I am attaching a small .gif file of the first of seven (7) pages of an >official-looking Nakamichi service bulletin number 00D-SI-3117 dated >January 27, 1989. The subject line is "How to change take-up/supply reel >hub ass'y (assembly?) and reel motor ass'y from pulley type to gear type". > Note the models enumerated: BX-100, BX-125, BX-150, BX-1, BX-2, >MR-2, RX-202/CR-7, CR-5, BX-300, MR-1 (whew!, long list). I can't >vouch for this info as I don't recall the URL from which I downloaded the file.>>The memo has a blank "Serial No. from" line.>>Would somebody please unconfuse me? While you can install the gear mod on any of the decks listed, the BX-300 never came this way out of the factory. The gear mod is not essential, in that the deck will run fine with the rubber tire, if in good shape. The rubber tire should be cleaned every year or so and replaced when cleaning is no longer effective. The gear will last much longer and will alleviate the need for periodic cleanings. If you deem this advantage to be worth the trouble and/or expense, have it done. Otherwise, you can simply ignore it. Regards, -- Ron >Cheers!>>Mariano ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 16 15:39:09 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:39:09 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] DR3 and DR8 Message-ID: Hi Martyn, If the DR-3 is in good condition, I would go with that one because the rec/pb head is different. I don't think they sound much different though, but the DR-8's head is physically smaller for whatever reason. Somehow, being a traditionalist nakophile, the smaller head makes me feel less good. And although they are identical in other respects, I would tend to go with the slightly older Naks as a rule. For the money you spend on a new, discounted DR-8, you might get a good condition 680ZX or BX-300. When I was new here, I was swiftly advised that the best route would be to go for a good, used Nak from cassette's heyday, i.e. the mid-eighties. Having said that, I haven't a single Nak that I regret. My 3 span 1982-1992. They all have the capacity to put a silly grin on your face. I would say, that as a rule, the DR models have slightly "audible" electronics. The heads and transports are of course, excellent. Incidently, where did you see that DR-8 on sale for and are there any bargain DR-10s around? Anyone?? Marc >>> Martyn.Miles at chemistry.oxford.ac.uk 09/16/02 03:02PM >>> > > > > Could someone tell me the differences between a DR3 and DR8. I am >considering buying a used DR3 , but also have seen a new DR8 advertised. >I'm new to Nakamichis, but have always wanted one! Many thanks Martyn >G Miles. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Mon Sep 16 16:01:41 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:01:41 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement of bad capcitors: Nak 480Z Message-ID: Ron wrote: "The safest approach is to replace each cap with an exact replacement; that is, exact same value and same or higher voltage rating and tolerance. >" Ron, just to recap (pun not intended!!) as far as I remember, the preferred ones are polystyrene caps are they? Is there anything bad in particular about other types? Any recommended brands? When I make a recording, the playback reveals crackling and spitting which I take to be this problem. Playback of other tapes is unaffected. Thanks, Marc Thanks, Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 16 16:25:41 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:25:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Text vs. HTML References: <002601c25bc8$c5202440$233442cf@cta> <3D85B048.000001.02560@mariano> <3D85DE5F.8B2384C6@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D85E9E5.1CAD68A@rcn.com> Hi, everyone, I would ask that we stick with text posts and avoid html. This makes for smaller messages (faster to load) and allows easy formatting of replies and discussion. TIA, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Mon Sep 16 16:32:23 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:32:23 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <001101c25c05$a7224cb0$13945dd5@jannis> <008401c25d54$3ecaa860$0a3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <001301c25d8d$e19d27a0$13945dd5@jannis> Thanks Stephen I will check it ASAP By the way i noticed a very high frequency sound coming out of the deck. It sounds as if it comes from a very fast spinning motor and has no effect on the speakers of the stereo installation. I get the same sound (though to a lesser degree) from my other CR-7 as well. Is this normal on the CR-7? and can it be eliminated or reduced? Jannis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Sank" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove > the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side of > the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC > labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of > unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these > two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, > but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been > corrected. > In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the > machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jannis" > To: "naktalk" > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:44 AM > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > Hello > > And thanks to all who helped me with my problems with the German eBay deal. > > Anyway he CR-7 E finally arrived from Germany and if you excuse some > scratches in the top it looks ok. > > I have not had the time to listen to it thoroughly yet. So no opinions on > the acoustic side of the subject yet. > > First thing I did, however, was to check the serial number: A130-02307. > > I remember an e-mail from Stephen in which he states that the CR-7 "before > serial A130- 08677 had a mistake made in the design of the rec eq & rec amp > circuits". Furthermore In the same mail he says that "before around serial > number A130-09400 the deck also had the infamously unreliable rubber tire > based reel drive mechanism". > > As you can imagine my second action was to open the deck and check it. I > was very pleased to see that it has had a gear drive upgrade. > > But is there a way for someone who, like me, knows nothing of electronics > to check whether the deck has had the "rec eq and rec amp circuits" > modified? > > Greetings > > Jannis > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 16 16:34:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 10:34:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RM-580 Wireless Remote Control References: <002d01c25b3a$db597920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D85EBD8.35EA7F11@rcn.com> At the risk of repeating myself, I would suggest you look at an after market remote control set. I don't know what deck you want this for, but for the CR-7 (that I did look at recently) any 8 function remote set can be made to work. Cost should be less than $100. Do a search on Google, you will find both ready built and kit units. Of course, if you must have this with a Nakamichi logo and cost is no object, go for the RM-580, but if all you want is the functionality, you can save $250. -- Ron greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > One of these is available on ebay with a buy it now of $350. My question is > what did these originally retail for, and what do people think they are > worth? I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than it's > worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy prices > not long ago. > > Thanks, > Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 16 17:26:54 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:26:54 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Replacement of bad capcitors: Nak 480Z References: Message-ID: <004a01c25d95$82d67c00$083442cf@cta> Use styrenes when you can get(and afford) them for any given value. Next preference is propylene, followed by polyester, followed by mylar. Never use ceramic disc caps. On the 480Z, in addition to orange cap disease, you must also worry about "brown glue disease". The Z had a fair amount of "patchwork" on the foil side of the main board, with the added components & wires anchored by a glue that turns brown & then black with time & heat. Remove every bit of this glue, as the darker it gets, the more conductive it gets. Then inspect the circuit foils for corrosive damage where the glue had been. On the 480Z, the glue actually is the more likely cause of your symptom. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: [naktalk] Replacement of bad capcitors: Nak 480Z > Ron wrote: > > "The safest approach is to replace each cap with an exact > replacement; that is, exact same value and same or higher > voltage rating and tolerance. >" > > Ron, just to recap (pun not intended!!) as far as I remember, the preferred ones are polystyrene caps are they? Is there anything bad in particular about other types? Any recommended brands? > > When I make a recording, the playback reveals crackling and spitting which I take to be this problem. Playback of other tapes is unaffected. > > Thanks, > > Marc > > Thanks, > > > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wjw at warwick.net Mon Sep 16 17:29:49 2002 From: wjw at warwick.net (Bill Wheatley) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 11:29:49 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nak Nak, who's there? Message-ID: <3D85F8ED.2B521F4C@warwick.net> Hello all, Sorry, couldn't resist the pun in the subject heading. I'm very much enjoying the Nak CD-1 and CR-4 that I recently bought via 'the net'- one on Ebay and one on another net audio place, and I'm particularly happy with the fact that I got them for about $200 each- so, good deals are out there. I have one question about the CR-4, which is mostly just for my own continuing electronics education: I really like the CR-4's feature of being able to manually set the bias and level for each tape being recorded on. In fact, I've noticed that those levels are often different on the A and B side of the same tape, so I've taken to setting the adjustments for each side before recording. My question is: can there really be that much difference, and will it really give a 'hearable' difference, or are the adjustment level indicators (same as the record level indicators) just really sensitive and it just looks like there are 'big changes' being made? In regard to the fellow looking for Dr-8s and DR-10s (Marc, I think): It seems that here on the East Coast of the US that most of the retail outlets have pretty much dried up as far as what they had in stock once Nakamichi stopped making cassette decks. There were some very good deals available about a year or so ago, and the DR line could be bought for very reasonable prices. The place I look now is Ebay and the other audio places on the net that have auctions and selling/buying posts. As usual, "Caveat Emptor" when dealing with folks on these sites, but if you ask the right questions and get intelligent and prompt responses from the seller, you can get a feel about what's a good deal and what might be a rip off. So far, knock on wood, I've been lucky, and I hope you are too. BW ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Mon Sep 16 17:32:24 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 09:32:24 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 References: <001101c25c05$a7224cb0$13945dd5@jannis> <008401c25d54$3ecaa860$0a3442cf@cta> <001301c25d8d$e19d27a0$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <004e01c25d96$425a7fe0$083442cf@cta> The only motor that should be spinning fast in pb/rec/stop is the capstan motor, which should run virtually dead silent. If it is making noise, it's in need of attention. The cap shaft bearings, particularly on the left one, have a tendency to "dry up" & need relubrication, and could indeed be a problem on two CR-7's at once coincidentally. The best lub oil I have found yet is "Prolong Precision Oil" from "Prolong Super Lubricants, Inc.", which comes in a handy little needle-nosed "pen" form. The only other time you would have a fast spinning motor noise is with an idler drive reel mech, where the idler is slipping & allowing the reel motor to run faster than the reel table. And usually squeaking against the rubber tire. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jannis" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > Thanks Stephen > I will check it ASAP > By the way i noticed a very high frequency sound coming out of the deck. It > sounds as if it comes from a very fast spinning motor and has no effect on > the speakers of the stereo installation. I get the same sound (though to a > lesser degree) from my other CR-7 as well. Is this normal on the CR-7? and > can it be eliminated or reduced? > > Jannis > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Sank" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:39 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > It's easy to tell if a CR-7 has not had the record EQ correction. Remove > > the bottom cover of the deck. On the big circuit board on the right side > of > > the machine, near the rear middle of the board, look for an outlined IC > > labeled "IC301". Right next to it, find VR202. Next to VR202 are pair of > > unmarked component locations, for a small resistor & capacitor. If these > > two locations have no component leads sticking through the solder points, > > but rather just have soldered-over blank holes, then the unit has NOT been > > corrected. > > In my opinion, the correction is important, as any tape recorded on the > > machine, TDK or not, sounds rolled off to me on the upper treble. > > > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > Talking Dog Transducer Company > > http://stephensank.com > > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > > 505-332-0336 > > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jannis" > > To: "naktalk" > > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 9:44 AM > > Subject: [naktalk] CR-7 > > > > > > Hello > > > > And thanks to all who helped me with my problems with the German eBay > deal. > > > > Anyway he CR-7 E finally arrived from Germany and if you excuse some > > scratches in the top it looks ok. > > > > I have not had the time to listen to it thoroughly yet. So no opinions on > > the acoustic side of the subject yet. > > > > First thing I did, however, was to check the serial number: A130-02307. > > > > I remember an e-mail from Stephen in which he states that the CR-7 > "before > > serial A130- 08677 had a mistake made in the design of the rec eq & rec > amp > > circuits". Furthermore In the same mail he says that "before around > serial > > number A130-09400 the deck also had the infamously unreliable rubber tire > > based reel drive mechanism". > > > > As you can imagine my second action was to open the deck and check it. I > > was very pleased to see that it has had a gear drive upgrade. > > > > But is there a way for someone who, like me, knows nothing of electronics > > to check whether the deck has had the "rec eq and rec amp circuits" > > modified? > > > > Greetings > > > > Jannis > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 17 04:48:55 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:48:55 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C70@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Carlos, I have sent the tape today. It should take 5-8 days to reach you. Please let me know when it has arrived. Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Monday, 16 September 2002 12:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: Carlos J. Guzman 51 Calle Batey Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 Thanks, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. > PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. > > The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - > do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is taking > too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can > update the website. > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > Hello Gra': > > > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling > > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > > though. > > > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > > somewhere in > > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be > > sent > > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > > ... maybe we > > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > > take a long > > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > > send a tape > > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > > dissected > > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they were > > the > > > > last person to post it?? > > > > > > > > Gra' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > --------========= > > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > > > Deck resource. > > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > > --------========= > > > > > > --- > > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Tue Sep 17 06:16:24 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:16:24 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C70@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001f01c25e01$01ad7b80$bd2a2ac4@CopyTech> No problem ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > Carlos, I have sent the tape today. It should take 5-8 days to reach you. Please let me know when it has arrived. > > Thanks > > Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] > Sent: Monday, 16 September 2002 12:28 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > > > New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: > > Carlos J. Guzman > 51 Calle Batey > Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 > > Thanks, > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham Nelson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM > Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > > > > Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. > > PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. > > > > The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - > > do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is > taking > > too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can > > update the website. > > > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > El Magnifico > > > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > > > Hello Gra': > > > > > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are > selling > > > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > > > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > > > though. > > > > > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > > > > > Carlos > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > > To: > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > > > somewhere in > > > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if > after > > > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to > be > > > sent > > > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time > =) > > > > > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the > globe. > > > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > > > ... maybe we > > > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > > > take a long > > > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > > > send a tape > > > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > > > dissected > > > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Tue Sep 17 05:30:21 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 23:30:21 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control References: <200209170150.DAA23567@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <003701c25dfa$9f850fa0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> I'm looking at it for my CR-3A simply to make things more convenient. I control my system with a Crestron control system, so controlling the CR-3A either ties up 6 relays (one each for stop, play, pause, FF, REW, and record) for the DIN remote plug on the rear of the deck or an infra red emitter if I go with the RM-580. The RM-580 would also allow me to control the deck with a stand alone remote control for times when that would be convenient. However, the asking price of $325-350 seems ridiculous to me, sort of like those other remotes we were talking about on this list recently that people were asking $1000 for. As expected, the auction for the RM-580 ended with no bids. The seller has relisted it (10 day auction too) with the same opening bid and buy it now price. I sent him an email offering to buy it from him at a reduced price if it doesn't sell the 2nd time around. He emailed back saying that the remote is rare and therefore worth the asking price. The ebay community seems to be telling him that it isn't worth his asking price despite the fact that he doesn't get it - just because something is rare doesn't mean it's worth a fortune. If he really wants to sell it, he'll lower his asking price eventually if he doesn't go bankrupt relisting it on ebay first :). My feeling is that if I can get an RM-580 for a fair price, I'll get it. Otherwise, I'll control the CR-3A through the DIN plug and be happy enough with that. Thanks, Geoffrey Reynolds From: Ron > > At the risk of repeating myself, I would suggest you look > at an after market remote control set. I don't know what > deck you want this for, but for the CR-7 (that I did look > at recently) any 8 function remote set can be made to > work. Cost should be less than $100. Do a search on > Google, you will find both ready built and kit units. > > Of course, if you must have this with a Nakamichi logo and > cost is no object, go for the RM-580, but if all you want > is the functionality, you can save $250. > > - -- Ron > > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > > One of these is available on ebay with a buy it now of $350. My question is > > what did these originally retail for, and what do people think they are > > worth? I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than it's > > worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy prices > > not long ago. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Tue Sep 17 05:54:17 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:54:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Original purpose of AFC on tuners??? In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C70@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <20020917035417.3504.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys Was wondering Was the original purpose of AFC on tuners to compensate for drift in the transmitted signal or to compensate for drift in the tuner? I've noticed that a lot of the FM tuners from the late tube (Jurrasic?) era devoted a considerable amount of circuitry to AFC including sometimes a control for variable AFC assertion. On the other hand some later wonder tuners don't have any AFC at all. What gives? Javier __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Sep 17 07:29:18 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:29:18 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control Message-ID: <000e01c25e0b$2fccd740$87221ec4@private> Geoffrey, That$350 asking price has been paid for in the past on eBay.I think the chaps buy it more as a collectable rather than a usage value.I chased them myself but was beaten everytime,so I gave up in the end Walter -----Original Message----- From: greynolds at newsguy.com To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:45 AM Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control >I'm looking at it for my CR-3A simply to make things more convenient. I >control my system with a Crestron control system, so controlling the CR-3A >either ties up 6 relays (one each for stop, play, pause, FF, REW, and >record) for the DIN remote plug on the rear of the deck or an infra red >emitter if I go with the RM-580. The RM-580 would also allow me to control >the deck with a stand alone remote control for times when that would be >convenient. However, the asking price of $325-350 seems ridiculous to me, >sort of like those other remotes we were talking about on this list recently >that people were asking $1000 for. > >As expected, the auction for the RM-580 ended with no bids. The seller has >relisted it (10 day auction too) with the same opening bid and buy it now >price. I sent him an email offering to buy it from him at a reduced price >if it doesn't sell the 2nd time around. He emailed back saying that the >remote is rare and therefore worth the asking price. The ebay community >seems to be telling him that it isn't worth his asking price despite the >fact that he doesn't get it - just because something is rare doesn't mean >it's worth a fortune. If he really wants to sell it, he'll lower his asking >price eventually if he doesn't go bankrupt relisting it on ebay first :). > >My feeling is that if I can get an RM-580 for a fair price, I'll get it. >Otherwise, I'll control the CR-3A through the DIN plug and be happy enough >with that. > >Thanks, >Geoffrey Reynolds > >From: Ron >> >> At the risk of repeating myself, I would suggest you look >> at an after market remote control set. I don't know what >> deck you want this for, but for the CR-7 (that I did look >> at recently) any 8 function remote set can be made to >> work. Cost should be less than $100. Do a search on >> Google, you will find both ready built and kit units. >> >> Of course, if you must have this with a Nakamichi logo and >> cost is no object, go for the RM-580, but if all you want >> is the functionality, you can save $250. >> >> - -- Ron >> >> >> greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: >> >> > One of these is available on ebay with a buy it now of $350. My >question is >> > what did these originally retail for, and what do people think they are >> > worth? I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than it's >> > worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy >prices >> > not long ago. > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Sep 17 07:50:54 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:50:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] T100 audio analyzer on eBay Message-ID: <002801c25e0e$318a5e60$87221ec4@private> There is a T100 on American eBay on a very cheap BUY NOW option.If you want one ,thats a very reasonable price and it looks new according to the pictures. Walter -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Tue Sep 17 07:58:30 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes at iafrica.com) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:30 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Interessanter Artikel bei eBay.de Message-ID: <200209170558.g8H5wU7t017899@mx18.sjc.ebay.com> Artikelnummer 907389946: NAKAMICHI T-100 AUDIO ANALYZER HIGH END! Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:34 PDT I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. I thought I better look it up for you ! Walter Artikelbezeichnung: NAKAMICHI T-100 AUDIO ANALYZER – HIGH END! Verkaeufer: mrk43 Auktionsbeginn: 17.09.02 05:07:53 MESZ Auktionsende: 24.09.02 05:07:53 MESZ Startpreis: US $200,00 Wenn Sie bieten wollen, gehen Sie bitte zu: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907389946 Artikelbeschreibung: The Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer - A Rare Item. A Time-Saving Workhorse for the High-End Audio Repairman, or an Impressive Addition to your Audio System (with it’s 5 inch long LED VU / Power Meters). The Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer is a powerful stereo diagnostic instrument, which enables you to obtain the optimum performance from your audio system. Originally conceived as a tool for the serious recordist, this easy-to-use Analyzer also provides valuable information about preamplifiers, amplifiers, loudspeakers, microphones, turntables and phonograph cartridges. Unfortunately, Nakamichi no longer offers audio test equipment of this caliber. The T-100 incorporates the functions of an Oscillator, Volt Meter, Power Meter, Distortion Meter and a Wow and Flutter meter in one, compact instrument. The oscillator provides 21 different frequencies plus pink noise for accurate frequency measurements from 20 to 20 kHz. The pink noise generator is particularly useful for the subjective testing of tape decks, loudspeakers and microphones. The 400 Hz oscillator can be used with the built-in distortion analyzer to measure the harmonic distortion of tape decks and amplifiers. The 3 kHz oscillator allows you to test a tape deck’s record/playback wow and flutter (weighed or unweighed). With a 3 kHz test tape (supplied), you can measure playback-only wow and flutter. The T-100 also provides A-Weighted noise readings of inputs down to 10 uV. Finally, the Analyzer provides extremely accurate peak or average level indication. You can use the Analyzer to supplement VU meters while recording and avoid saturation. By connect! ing the Analyzer in parallel with your speakers, you can also measure amplifier/speaker output overload. The Nakamichi T-100 will measure or provide: 1. Frequency Response 2. Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) 3. Record/Playback Saturation 4. Noise Level 5. Loudness Contour Measurements 6. Equalizer, Filter and Crossover Network Measurements 7. Tape Speed, Wow and Flutter 8. Volume Indication / Power output indication 9. Microphone, Phono Cartridge and Loudspeaker output levels 10. Pink Noise Generation 11. Output for Oscilloscope, Chart recorder or other instrument The Analyzer comes with two front-panel scales; Basic scale is the VU, Speed, Distortion and Wow and Flutter scale, and the other is the Voltage and Power output scale. The unit is AC powered (100, 120, 220 or 240 VAC, 50/60 Hz), easy to use, and comes with the owner’s manual, line cord, shoulder strap and a vinyl storage and carrying case. In addition, I am supplying a TEAC cassette test tape, MTT-111D, S/N 0019, professionally recorded in accordance with IEC Publication 94-1, at precisely 3.0 kHz, for wow and flutter testing with the Analyzer. The Analyzer is 13.5 “ wide, 3 “ high and 9.5” deep. It weighs 9.5 pounds. Specifications include: 1. Input Impedance: 50 kilohms (both channels). 2. Scope Output: Low Impedance. 3. Spot Frequencies: 20, 40, 63, 100, 160, 250, 400, 630,1k, 1.5k, 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k, 6.3k, 8k, 10k, 12k, 15k, 18k, and 20kHz, plus Pink Noise (+/- 2 dB, 20 to 20 kHz). 4. Output Voltage: 1.2 V. variable). 5. Output Level Deviation: +/- 0.2 dB. 6. Output Distortion: Less than 0.3% (20 to 20 kHz), Less than 0.01% 400 Hz output (for THD measurement). 7. Frequency Accuracy: +/- 2%. 8. Output Impedance: 600 Ohms. 9. Input Measurement Range: -80 dB to + 30 dB (re: 0dB + 1 Volt). 10. Measurement Frequency Response: 20 to 20,000 Hz +/- 0.3 dB. 11. Ballistics: Average (RMS): 0.3 Seconds (“VU”); Peak: 10 mS rise time, 2 second fall time (DIN Peak). There are equally excellent specifications for Wow and Flutter Measurements, Distortion Measurements and Noise measurements. These are being omitted here for space-saving purposes. If the potential buyer is interested in these specifications, please e-mail the seller. This unit is in like-new condition, with no cosmetic defects. Buyer will pay actual shipping, handling and insurance cost for shipping from Philadelphia area by USPS, UPS or FEDEX, according to discussion after the close of the sale. These costs are estimated to be between $20.00 and $30.00. eBay - der weltweite Online-Marktplatz http://www.ebay.de ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 17 08:16:43 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:16:43 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue Message-ID: Hi Walter and Stephen Many thanks for your help guys. Stephen, when removing the glue - what do you remove it with? I would want to do any damage to circuit foils of course. If there is corrosive damage how would this be repaired. Many thanks, Marc Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 17 09:30:40 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:30:40 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Brown glue removal Message-ID: Whoops!!!! I meant something to remove the hardened, darkened glue WITHOUT doing any damage. Sorry!! Thanks MH Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Tue Sep 17 09:19:43 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:19:43 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue Message-ID: <29714e296f0f.296f0f29714e@indosat.net.id> Hi Marc, Here's a non-expert opinion: at 'problematic stage' usually the brown glue had became so hard / brittle that it will be easy to scrape off board using tiny screwdriver without touching the pcb. And usually it's on the component side so that you dont risk cutting thin traces. Just last week my brother didn't get output signal from his CR3 (recording was fine though), turned out this brown glue shortened supply caps & diodes surrounding PB dolby chip. One last note: there's a local ad selling 1000zxl for about $600, if anybody's interested (and want to bear shipping cost !) i can take a look at the deck. He's willing to trade with the gold edition (but so does everybody else .... =) Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:16 pm Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue > Hi Walter and Stephen > > Many thanks for your help guys. Stephen, when removing the glue - > what do you remove it with? I would want to do any damage to > circuit foils of course. If there is corrosive damage how would > this be repaired. > > Many thanks, > > Marc > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Tue Sep 17 10:56:32 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:56:32 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue References: Message-ID: <011901c25e28$1fc67dc0$083442cf@cta> As Salim said, the glue gets very brittle, so you can certainly pick most of it carefully away without even contacting the circuit board with the small jeweller's screwdriver or dental pick you'll be using. When you do have to contact the board, just focus on sideways motion & getting under the glue to pull upwards, and try to avoid any downward pressure. If you find circuit traces that are markedly discolored, carefully scrape off any remaining enamel above the affected section of foil, then scrape away the discolored metal. If you get to shiny copper before going all the way through the foil, simply solder over the area, making sure the solder flows over and "wets" over the foil, rather than blobbing & rolling off. If the foil is penetrated, remove more enamel from the same trace, out beyond the damaged area, then carefully solder a section of wire, laid down along the trace, to the good copper foil on either side of the damage, replacing the damaged foil section. It usually doesn't get this bad on Z's though, and often doesn't even doesn't get as bad as to have any foil damage at all. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:16 AM Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue > Hi Walter and Stephen > > Many thanks for your help guys. Stephen, when removing the glue - what do you remove it with? I would want to do any damage to circuit foils of course. If there is corrosive damage how would this be repaired. > > Many thanks, > > Marc > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Tue Sep 17 12:45:48 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:45:48 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Stephen and Salim Message-ID: Many, many thanks to Stephen and Salim for your advice and guidance. I shall be opening up this machine this coming weekend and shall let you know of my progress. Best wishes, Marc Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Tue Sep 17 13:24:41 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:24:41 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C74@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Carlos, I have sent the tape today. It should take 5-8 days to reach you. Please let me know when it has arrived. Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Monday, 16 September 2002 12:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: Carlos J. Guzman 51 Calle Batey Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 Thanks, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. > PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. > > The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - > do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is taking > too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can > update the website. > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > Hello Gra': > > > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling > > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > > though. > > > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > > somewhere in > > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be > > sent > > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > > ... maybe we > > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > > take a long > > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > > send a tape > > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > > dissected > > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? 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Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Monday, 16 September 2002 12:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: Carlos J. Guzman 51 Calle Batey Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 Thanks, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. > PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. > > The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - > do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is taking > too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can > update the website. > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > Hello Gra': > > > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling > > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > > though. > > > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > > somewhere in > > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be > > sent > > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > > ... maybe we > > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > > take a long > > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > > send a tape > > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > > dissected > > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? 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Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] Sent: Monday, 16 September 2002 12:28 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: Carlos J. Guzman 51 Calle Batey Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 Thanks, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Nelson" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. > PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. > > The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - > do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is taking > too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can > update the website. > > Thanks for your co-operation. > > Graham > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > El Magnifico > > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > Hello Gra': > > > > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are selling > > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I > > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite > > though. > > > > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... > > > > Carlos > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Graham Nelson" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > > Bleus, Carlos > > > > > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up > > somewhere in > > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if after > > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to be > > sent > > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? > > > > > > Graham > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com > > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > > > Salim Marzuki > > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time =) > > > > > > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape > > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the globe. > > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) > > > > ... maybe we > > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still > > take a long > > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each > > send a tape > > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be > > dissected > > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Salim SM > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Graham Nelson > > > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM > > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status > > > > > > > > > > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? 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Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:45 PM Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Stephen and Salim Many, many thanks to Stephen and Salim for your advice and guidance. I shall be opening up this machine this coming weekend and shall let you know of my progress. Best wishes, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 17 14:33:36 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:33:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Original purpose of AFC on tuners??? References: <20020917035417.3504.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D872120.C2728C74@rcn.com> Professional FM modulators used by radio stations (expensive as they are), are very stable and very accurate. Vintage home FM tuners were not. AFC was mainly necessary to lock the tuners onto the transmitters, not the other way around. Using today's SS technology, current tuners are very stable. It doesn't cost that much any more. Old designs that used a variable oscillator (very difficult to achieve accuracy and stability) have been replaced by synthesized designs (utilize a single $3 crystal controlled oscillator), so AFC is no longer required. Cheapo radios may still use variable local oscillators and utilize AFC -- it's built into the IC at very low cost and is adequate for $18 radios, where some drift is acceptable. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > Hey guys > Was wondering > Was the original purpose of AFC on tuners to > compensate for drift in the transmitted signal or > to compensate for drift in the tuner? I've noticed > that a lot of the FM tuners from the late tube > (Jurrasic?) era devoted a considerable amount of > circuitry to AFC including sometimes a control for > variable AFC assertion. On the other hand some later > wonder tuners don't have any AFC at all. > What gives? > Javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com Tue Sep 17 20:12:05 2002 From: Andy.M.Dundis at ue-corp.com (Dundis, Andy) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:12:05 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical Message-ID: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0D4@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Ron, jus' passing on what my dealer advised me based on the unit i had purchased (yeah, his 2 cents). upon his recommend, i opted for the coax at about $50 ea. couldve done worse, i expect. the opticals were a bit more $$$ (albeit maybe at less of a profit). all that aside your response is what i was looking for - a non-biased feedback based on your greater knowledge and experience. you just cant get that from someone who just wants to peddle his wears. thanx for your 2 cents. now i have 4. regards, andy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:55:05 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical >Marathon Tape: >M-Tape1 mailed on its way to JS. great track selections!!! > >Coax vs Optical: >my recently purchased A/V receiver acommodates both, but my >dealer recommended against optical for shortcomings at the >connection points. The bias against optical digital interconnects is one of the 'Esoteric Audio' myths; along with green ink, bricks on amps and $600 line cords. The fact is (I'm talking about Engineering facts, not the Marketing variety) that sonically, optical and coax cables are identical. It is entirely true that the home audio implementation of optical cables, known as TosLink, was designed for low cost rather than robustness. This means that it won't take a large man jumping up and down on it. If, on the other hand, you carefully plug it in and leave it be, it will last for many years. Longer, in fact, than Coax. In the good old days, all dealers whole heartedly recommended fiber cables. Why? They cost more than coax cables and provided larger profit. Today, when hordes of suckers are paying 3 digit prices for coax cables that do exactly what $5 ones do (making for even higher profits), the dealers, all of a sudden, have discovered that coax sounds better. Personally, I take recommendations from people that stand to gain by said recommendations with a small sack of salt. >one would need to spend too much for a unit that would >provide the superior connects needed to make a positive >difference. That's false. Does it reflect your own experience, or another recommendation of your dealer? >my 2 cents, Isn't it your dealer's 2 cents? :-) -- Ron > andy ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From roleo at telus.net Wed Sep 18 02:48:37 2002 From: roleo at telus.net (Roland Alford) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:48:37 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control References: <200209170150.DAA23567@zebra.naks.com> <003701c25dfa$9f850fa0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <003d01c25ead$2041ede0$e1c5d1cc@Inspiron7000> I just sold an RM-580 for $325.00 on a buy it now basis, and sold another one in the past for a similar price, so there are people out there who will scoop it up. For some people, price is no consideration within reason. Personally, I have no problem using a wired remote like the RM-5 or RM-200. Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > I'm looking at it for my CR-3A simply to make things more convenient. I > control my system with a Crestron control system, so controlling the CR-3A > either ties up 6 relays (one each for stop, play, pause, FF, REW, and > record) for the DIN remote plug on the rear of the deck or an infra red > emitter if I go with the RM-580. The RM-580 would also allow me to control > the deck with a stand alone remote control for times when that would be > convenient. However, the asking price of $325-350 seems ridiculous to me, > sort of like those other remotes we were talking about on this list recently > that people were asking $1000 for. > > As expected, the auction for the RM-580 ended with no bids. The seller has > relisted it (10 day auction too) with the same opening bid and buy it now > price. I sent him an email offering to buy it from him at a reduced price > if it doesn't sell the 2nd time around. He emailed back saying that the > remote is rare and therefore worth the asking price. The ebay community > seems to be telling him that it isn't worth his asking price despite the > fact that he doesn't get it - just because something is rare doesn't mean > it's worth a fortune. If he really wants to sell it, he'll lower his asking > price eventually if he doesn't go bankrupt relisting it on ebay first :). > > My feeling is that if I can get an RM-580 for a fair price, I'll get it. > Otherwise, I'll control the CR-3A through the DIN plug and be happy enough > with that. > > Thanks, > Geoffrey Reynolds > > From: Ron > > > > At the risk of repeating myself, I would suggest you look > > at an after market remote control set. I don't know what > > deck you want this for, but for the CR-7 (that I did look > > at recently) any 8 function remote set can be made to > > work. Cost should be less than $100. Do a search on > > Google, you will find both ready built and kit units. > > > > Of course, if you must have this with a Nakamichi logo and > > cost is no object, go for the RM-580, but if all you want > > is the functionality, you can save $250. > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > > > > One of these is available on ebay with a buy it now of $350. My > question is > > > what did these originally retail for, and what do people think they are > > > worth? I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than it's > > > worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy > prices > > > not long ago. > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From thsinclair at localdial.com Wed Sep 18 07:22:51 2002 From: thsinclair at localdial.com (Sinclair Forrest) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:22:51 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 References: <003001c25aea$2f0ca480$521d07c4@private> Message-ID: <007501c25ed3$6fb8fd20$178ee2c3@a9u3z8> Hello Walter, I got an OMS-7 II very cheaply some time ago and I am very happy with it. The sound is excellent, the build quality is superb and the styling distinctive. I haven't done a direct comparison with more modern machines, and doubtless there are many modern ones that sound better - at a price. One downside is that it doesn't have a digital output of any kind. The major worry with the mark II is that the laser, a Sony one, appears to be virtually impossible to obtain, unlike the OMS-7 mark I, but this apparently doesn't sound as good as the II. I am trying to track down which Sony (or other) CD players used the same laser. The Nak OMS-3, 4 & 5 II did. Try to find a machine with a known provenance and history - like a secondhand car. Good luck! Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 Can someone please advise whether this machine can still hold its head high amongst current cd players.That is,is it still worthwhile buying or should one rather acquire a more modern machine? Thanks for your input! Mr.Bleus,T100 s feature quite often on German eBay.That does not help you as they operate on 220/240volts and not as I presume on 120 v. Schaltungsdienst Lange in Berlin carry both the operators manual as well as the service manual.These are relatively cheap as well ! Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wdrewes at iafrica.com Wed Sep 18 08:12:51 2002 From: wdrewes at iafrica.com (wdrewes) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:12:51 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 Message-ID: <003001c25eda$90cc8840$4b211ec4@private> Thanks Sinclair .I will do that.I just missed a BUY NOW one on german ebay for approx $400.,which i thought was a reasonable price. WALTER -----Original Message----- From: Sinclair Forrest To: naktalk at naks.com Date: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OMS 7 Hello Walter, I got an OMS-7 II very cheaply some time ago and I am very happy with it. The sound is excellent, the build quality is superb and the styling distinctive. I haven't done a direct comparison with more modern machines, and doubtless there are many modern ones that sound better - at a price. One downside is that it doesn't have a digital output of any kind. The major worry with the mark II is that the laser, a Sony one, appears to be virtually impossible to obtain, unlike the OMS-7 mark I, but this apparently doesn't sound as good as the II. I am trying to track down which Sony (or other) CD players used the same laser. The Nak OMS-3, 4 & 5 II did. Try to find a machine with a known provenance and history - like a secondhand car. Good luck! Sinclair Forrest ----- Original Message ----- From: wdrewes To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 6:55 AM Subject: [naktalk] OMS 7 Can someone please advise whether this machine can still hold its head high amongst current cd players.That is,is it still worthwhile buying or should one rather acquire a more modern machine? Thanks for your input! Mr.Bleus,T100 s feature quite often on German eBay.That does not help you as they operate on 220/240volts and not as I presume on 120 v. Schaltungsdienst Lange in Berlin carry both the operators manual as well as the service manual.These are relatively cheap as well ! Walter Drewes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 18 15:22:47 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:22:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical References: <6B33602B64002F46B205FD8C40A6B6660FE0D4@UEC-MAIL1.UE.com> Message-ID: <3D887E27.5394CC74@rcn.com> Andy, just to clarify... I, too, feel that in most cases, coax is the way to go -- it does the same job for less money and will take more abuse without breaking. Optical cable should only be used where it solves a ground loop or EMI problem that coax can't, or where the equipment mandates it. What gets me started is the rip-off tactics used by the industry that has built itself around our hobby: manufacturers that invent 'problems' that only their hugely overpriced wares can cure and dealers that lie through their teeth to sell the stuff. In your case, I am sorry to say, a $50 coax is no better than (no worse either -- just identical) the $5 video cable that comes with many components. I wonder how much does Radio Shack charge for such a video cable. As I have already posted, I made all coax cables in my system myself. A 6 ft coax cable cost about $4.50 and is a huge overkill, quality wise. I also use two TosLink cables (my preamp has a single coax and two TosLink inputs) that cost $25 (Sony) and $12.50 (Zenith). The Sony TosLink cable was $50 at one store and $25 (for the exact identical cable) at another store, about 3 miles down the road. The Zenith cable was mail order. -- Ron "Dundis, Andy" wrote: > Ron, > jus' passing on what my dealer advised me based on the unit i had > purchased (yeah, his 2 cents). upon his recommend, i opted for the > coax at about $50 ea. couldve done worse, i expect. the opticals > were a bit more $$$ (albeit maybe at less of a profit). > > all that aside your response is what i was looking for - a non-biased > feedback based on your greater knowledge and experience. you just cant > get that from someone who just wants to peddle his wears. thanx for > your 2 cents. now i have 4. > > regards, > andy > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 15:55:05 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape status, coax vs optical > > >Marathon Tape: > >M-Tape1 mailed on its way to JS. great track selections!!! > > > >Coax vs Optical: > >my recently purchased A/V receiver acommodates both, but my > >dealer recommended against optical for shortcomings at the > >connection points. > > The bias against optical digital interconnects is one > of the 'Esoteric Audio' myths; along with green ink, > bricks on amps and $600 line cords. The fact is (I'm > talking about Engineering facts, not the Marketing > variety) that sonically, optical and coax cables are > identical. > > It is entirely true that the home audio implementation > of optical cables, known as TosLink, was designed for > low cost rather than robustness. This means that it won't > take a large man jumping up and down on it. If, on the > other hand, you carefully plug it in and leave it be, it will > last for many years. Longer, in fact, than Coax. > > In the good old days, all dealers whole heartedly > recommended fiber cables. Why? They cost more than > coax cables and provided larger profit. Today, when > hordes of suckers are paying 3 digit prices for coax > cables that do exactly what $5 ones do (making for > even higher profits), the dealers, all of a sudden, have > discovered that coax sounds better. > > Personally, I take recommendations from people that stand > to gain by said recommendations with a small sack of salt. > > >one would need to spend too much for a unit that would > >provide the superior connects needed to make a positive > >difference. > > That's false. Does it reflect your own experience, or another > recommendation of your dealer? > > >my 2 cents, > > Isn't it your dealer's 2 cents? :-) > > -- Ron > > > andy > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 18 15:43:48 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control References: <200209170150.DAA23567@zebra.naks.com> <003701c25dfa$9f850fa0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <003d01c25ead$2041ede0$e1c5d1cc@Inspiron7000> Message-ID: <3D888314.9C85925@rcn.com> > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job for less than 1/3 the cost. In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just the cassette deck. -- Ron Roland Alford wrote: > I just sold an RM-580 for $325.00 on a buy it now basis, and sold another > one in the past for a similar price, so there are people out there who will > scoop it up. For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > Personally, I have no problem using a wired remote like the RM-5 or RM-200. > > Roland > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 8:30 PM > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > > > I'm looking at it for my CR-3A simply to make things more convenient. I > > control my system with a Crestron control system, so controlling the CR-3A > > either ties up 6 relays (one each for stop, play, pause, FF, REW, and > > record) for the DIN remote plug on the rear of the deck or an infra red > > emitter if I go with the RM-580. The RM-580 would also allow me to > control > > the deck with a stand alone remote control for times when that would be > > convenient. However, the asking price of $325-350 seems ridiculous to me, > > sort of like those other remotes we were talking about on this list > recently > > that people were asking $1000 for. > > > > As expected, the auction for the RM-580 ended with no bids. The seller > has > > relisted it (10 day auction too) with the same opening bid and buy it now > > price. I sent him an email offering to buy it from him at a reduced price > > if it doesn't sell the 2nd time around. He emailed back saying that the > > remote is rare and therefore worth the asking price. The ebay community > > seems to be telling him that it isn't worth his asking price despite the > > fact that he doesn't get it - just because something is rare doesn't mean > > it's worth a fortune. If he really wants to sell it, he'll lower his > asking > > price eventually if he doesn't go bankrupt relisting it on ebay first :). > > > > My feeling is that if I can get an RM-580 for a fair price, I'll get it. > > Otherwise, I'll control the CR-3A through the DIN plug and be happy enough > > with that. > > > > Thanks, > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > From: Ron > > > > > > At the risk of repeating myself, I would suggest you look > > > at an after market remote control set. I don't know what > > > deck you want this for, but for the CR-7 (that I did look > > > at recently) any 8 function remote set can be made to > > > work. Cost should be less than $100. Do a search on > > > Google, you will find both ready built and kit units. > > > > > > Of course, if you must have this with a Nakamichi logo and > > > cost is no object, go for the RM-580, but if all you want > > > is the functionality, you can save $250. > > > > > > - -- Ron > > > > > > > > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > > > > > > One of these is available on ebay with a buy it now of $350. My > > question is > > > > what did these originally retail for, and what do people think they > are > > > > worth? I'd like to get this, but not if the price is far more than > it's > > > > worth, like some of those other remotes that were listed for crazy > > prices > > > > not long ago. > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Sep 18 17:43:53 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 11:43:53 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control References: <200209181233.OAA32322@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <005d01c25f2a$43028920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > for less than 1/3 the cost. > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > the cassette deck. Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable tape decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a generic universal remote and be done with it. At a minimum, you would need an IR receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which could be a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of thing you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, since I have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 or more for the RM-580 extremely silly. I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this thing, if anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair (or not) these used prices are. Certainly, as long as there is someone out there willing to pay the $325 or so that is asked, I can't argue with someone for asking for it, no matter how crazy I think the price is. Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 18 20:48:57 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 14:48:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] FA: Nakamichi 700 Service manaula References: <200209170150.DAA23567@zebra.naks.com> <003701c25dfa$9f850fa0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <003d01c25ead$2041ede0$e1c5d1cc@Inspiron7000> <3D888314.9C85925@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D88CA99.A52AEA87@rcn.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382239454 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Sep 18 21:05:46 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:05:46 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nakamichi_Laufwerk-Pr=E4sentationsmodell?= References: <200209181233.OAA32322@zebra.naks.com> <005d01c25f2a$43028920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <000b01c25f46$6537f270$835c33d5@cc132114a> Hi naktalkers, what do you guys think, is this a brand new "laufwerk" for a ZX7? It sounds intresting building this think inside my ZX7 . Heads , wheels all brand new. Does somebody recognize this part? greetings Norman van Wijnen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:43 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > > for less than 1/3 the cost. > > > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > > the cassette deck. > > Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable tape > decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a generic > universal remote and be done with it. At a minimum, you would need an IR > receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which could be > a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to > control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many > people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of thing > you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, since I > have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and > relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 or > more for the RM-580 extremely silly. > > I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this thing, if > anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair (or > not) these used prices are. Certainly, as long as there is someone out > there willing to pay the $325 or so that is asked, I can't argue with > someone for asking for it, no matter how crazy I think the price is. > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Wed Sep 18 21:08:05 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:08:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] =?iso-8859-1?Q?_Nakamichi_Laufwerk-Pr=E4sentationsmodell?= Message-ID: <001401c25f46$b7c0a3c0$835c33d5@cc132114a> Sorry , here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1381140943 Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "norman van wijnen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:05 Subject: Nakamichi Laufwerk-Präsentationsmodell > Hi naktalkers, > > what do you guys think, is this a brand new "laufwerk" for a ZX7? > > It sounds intresting building this think inside my ZX7 . Heads , wheels all > brand new. > Does somebody recognize this part? > > greetings > > Norman van Wijnen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:43 > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > > > > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > > > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > > > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > > > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > > > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > > > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > > > for less than 1/3 the cost. > > > > > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > > > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > > > the cassette deck. > > > > Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable > tape > > decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a generic > > universal remote and be done with it. At a minimum, you would need an IR > > receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which could > be > > a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to > > control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many > > people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of > thing > > you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, since I > > have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and > > relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 or > > more for the RM-580 extremely silly. > > > > I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this thing, > if > > anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair (or > > not) these used prices are. Certainly, as long as there is someone out > > there willing to pay the $325 or so that is asked, I can't argue with > > someone for asking for it, no matter how crazy I think the price is. > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 18 22:20:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:20:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control References: <200209181233.OAA32322@zebra.naks.com> <005d01c25f2a$43028920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D88E01E.1553653D@rcn.com> greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > > for less than 1/3 the cost. > > > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > > the cassette deck. > > Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable tape > decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a generic > universal remote and be done with it. Sorry -- again I was referring to the CR-7, that is already IR remote ready. For decks that only have a wired remote connector, one would need an IR remote 'set', consisting of the hand held remote control transmitter, plus a receiver that plugs into the wired remote connector on the deck. Many people are fully capable of building this from a kit. Usually, the receiver needs to be built into a small box and wired with the proper plugs -- both, available from any electronics supply store. I figure the whole thing can be done for $60 - $100; a far cry from what the RM-580 seems to cost. > At a minimum, you would need an IR > receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which could be > a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to > control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many > people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of thing > you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, since I > have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and > relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 or > more for the RM-580 extremely silly. > > I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this thing, if > anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair (or > not) these used prices are. I would think that most buyers pay the exorbitant price for the collectible, rather than the functional, value. In that context, 'fair' is meaningless. Whatever someone is willing to pay is the current fair price. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Sep 19 00:46:10 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:46:10 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Thu Sep 19 01:29:33 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 23:29:33 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Laufwerk-Prsentationsmodell Message-ID: It's a dealer demo model to show how the Nak transport works, isn't it? I guess it would be in working condition still, but not sure. Good idea for using it as a new transport for your Nak though, provided the price doen't go too high! >From: "norman van wijnen" >Reply-To: naktalk at naks.com >To: >Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Laufwerk-Pr�sentationsmodell >Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:08:05 +0200 > >Sorry , here is the link: > >http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1381140943 > >Norman > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "norman van wijnen" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:05 >Subject: Nakamichi Laufwerk-Pr�sentationsmodell > > > > Hi naktalkers, > > > > what do you guys think, is this a brand new "laufwerk" for a ZX7? > > > > It sounds intresting building this think inside my ZX7 . Heads , wheels >all > > brand new. > > Does somebody recognize this part? > > > > greetings > > > > Norman van Wijnen > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:43 > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > > > > > > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > > > > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > > > > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > > > > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > > > > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > > > > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > > > > for less than 1/3 the cost. > > > > > > > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > > > > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > > > > the cassette deck. > > > > > > Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable > > tape > > > decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a >generic > > > universal remote and be done with it. At a minimum, you would need an >IR > > > receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which >could > > be > > > a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to > > > control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many > > > people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of > > thing > > > you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, >since >I > > > have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and > > > relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 >or > > > more for the RM-580 extremely silly. > > > > > > I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this >thing, > > if > > > anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair >(or > > > not) these used prices are. Certainly, as long as there is someone >out > > > there willing to pay the $325 or so that is asked, I can't argue with > > > someone for asking for it, no matter how crazy I think the price is. > > > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= _________________________________________________________________ Join the world�s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Thu Sep 19 03:13:17 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 18:13:17 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2656 (T-100 Auction) Message-ID: Drat, Drat, Drat, Drat....... I go out of town on business for 48 hours, and the piece of gear I really would like to grab pops up as a "buy it now" on ebay. Reasonable price too. Well, at least there are a few nice photo images and some specifications to view in that ebay advert..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907389946 K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:35:28 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, September 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2656 > > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:50:54 +0200 >From: "wdrewes" >Subject: [naktalk] T100 audio analyzer on eBay > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C25E1E.F3898120 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >There is a T100 on American eBay on a very cheap BUY NOW option.If you = >want one ,thats a very reasonable price and it looks new according to = >the pictures. >Walter > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C25E1E.F3898120 >Content-Type: text/html; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > > > >http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > >
There is a T100 on American eBay on = >a very cheap=20 >BUY NOW option.If you want one ,thats a very reasonable price and it = >looks new=20 >according to the pictures.
>
Walter
> >- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C25E1E.F3898120-- > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:30 -0700 >From: wdrewes at iafrica.com >Subject: [naktalk] Interessanter Artikel bei eBay.de > >Artikelnummer 907389946: NAKAMICHI T-100 AUDIO ANALYZER HIGH END! >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:34 PDT > >I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. >I thought I better look it up for you ! >Walter > >Artikelbezeichnung: NAKAMICHI T-100 AUDIO ANALYZER  HIGH END! >Verkaeufer: mrk43 >Auktionsbeginn: 17.09.02 05:07:53 MESZ >Auktionsende: 24.09.02 05:07:53 MESZ >Startpreis: US $200,00 >Wenn Sie bieten wollen, gehen Sie bitte zu: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907389946 > > >Artikelbeschreibung: > The Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer - A Rare Item. A Time-Saving Workhorse for the High-End Audio Repairman, or an Impressive Addition to your Audio System (with its 5 inch long LED VU / Power Meters). > >The Nakamichi T-100 Audio Analyzer is a powerful stereo diagnostic instrument, which enables you to obtain the optimum performance from your audio system. Originally conceived as a tool for the serious recordist, this easy-to-use Analyzer also provides valuable information about preamplifiers, amplifiers, loudspeakers, microphones, turntables and phonograph cartridges. Unfortunately, Nakamichi no longer offers audio test equipment of this caliber. > >The T-100 incorporates the functions of an Oscillator, Volt Meter, Power Meter, Distortion Meter and a Wow and Flutter meter in one, compact instrument. The oscillator provides 21 different frequencies plus pink noise for accurate frequency measurements from 20 to 20 kHz. The pink noise generator is particularly useful for the subjective testing of tape decks, loudspeakers and microphones. The 400 Hz oscillator can be used with the built-in distortion analyzer to measure the harmonic distortion of tape decks and amplifiers. The 3 kHz oscillator allows you to test a tape decks record/playback wow and flutter (weighed or unweighed). With a 3 kHz test tape (supplied), you can measure playback-only wow and flutter. The T-100 also provides A-Weighted noise readings of inputs down to 10 uV. Finally, the Analyzer provides extremely accurate peak or average level indication. You can use the Analyzer to supplement VU meters while recording and avoid saturation. By connect! >ing the Analyzer in parallel with your speakers, you can also measure amplifier/speaker output overload. > >The Nakamichi T-100 will measure or provide: > >1. Frequency Response >2. Total Harmonic Distortion (THD) >3. Record/Playback Saturation >4. Noise Level >5. Loudness Contour Measurements >6. Equalizer, Filter and Crossover Network Measurements >7. Tape Speed, Wow and Flutter >8. Volume Indication / Power output indication >9. Microphone, Phono Cartridge and Loudspeaker output levels >10. Pink Noise Generation >11. Output for Oscilloscope, Chart recorder or other instrument > >The Analyzer comes with two front-panel scales; Basic scale is the VU, Speed, Distortion and Wow and Flutter scale, and the other is the Voltage and Power output scale. The unit is AC powered (100, 120, 220 or 240 VAC, 50/60 Hz), easy to use, and comes with the owners manual, line cord, shoulder strap and a vinyl storage and carrying case. > > >In addition, I am supplying a TEAC cassette test tape, MTT-111D, S/N 0019, professionally recorded in accordance with IEC Publication 94-1, at precisely 3.0 kHz, for wow and flutter testing with the Analyzer. > >The Analyzer is 13.5  wide, 3  high and 9.5 deep. It weighs 9.5 pounds. > >Specifications include: > > 1. Input Impedance: 50 kilohms (both channels). > 2. Scope Output: Low Impedance. > 3. Spot Frequencies: 20, 40, 63, 100, 160, 250, 400, 630,1k, 1.5k, 2k, 3k, 4k, 5k, 6.3k, 8k, 10k, 12k, 15k, 18k, and 20kHz, plus Pink Noise (+/- 2 dB, 20 to 20 kHz). > 4. Output Voltage: 1.2 V. variable). > 5. Output Level Deviation: +/- 0.2 dB. > 6. Output Distortion: Less than 0.3% (20 to 20 kHz), Less than 0.01% 400 Hz output (for THD measurement). > 7. Frequency Accuracy: +/- 2%. > 8. Output Impedance: 600 Ohms. > 9. Input Measurement Range: -80 dB to + 30 dB (re: 0dB + 1 Volt). >10. Measurement Frequency Response: 20 to 20,000 Hz +/- 0.3 dB. >11. Ballistics: Average (RMS): 0.3 Seconds (VU); Peak: 10 mS rise time, 2 second fall time (DIN Peak). > >There are equally excellent specifications for Wow and Flutter Measurements, Distortion Measurements and Noise measurements. These are being omitted here for space-saving purposes. If the potential buyer is interested in these specifications, please e-mail the seller. This unit is in like-new condition, with no cosmetic defects. > >Buyer will pay actual shipping, handling and insurance cost for shipping from Philadelphia area by USPS, UPS or FEDEX, according to discussion after the close of the sale. These costs are estimated to be between $20.00 and $30.00. > >eBay - der weltweite Online-Marktplatz >http://www.ebay.de >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 08:16:43 +0200 >From: "Mark Hugo" >Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue > >Hi Walter and Stephen > >Many thanks for your help guys. Stephen, when removing the glue - what do you remove it with? I would want to do any damage to circuit foils of course. If there is corrosive damage how would this be repaired. > >Many thanks, > >Marc > >Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia >Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 09:30:40 +0200 >From: "Mark Hugo" >Subject: [naktalk] Brown glue removal > >Whoops!!!! > >I meant something to remove the hardened, darkened glue WITHOUT doing any damage. Sorry!! > >Thanks > >MH > >Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia >Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 14:19:43 +0700 >From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue > >Hi Marc, > >Here's a non-expert opinion: at 'problematic stage' usually the brown >glue had became so hard / brittle that it will be easy to scrape off >board using tiny screwdriver without touching the pcb. And usually >it's on the component side so that you dont risk cutting thin traces. > >Just last week my brother didn't get output signal from his CR3 >(recording was fine though), turned out this brown glue shortened >supply caps & diodes surrounding PB dolby chip. > >One last note: there's a local ad selling 1000zxl for about $600, if >anybody's interested (and want to bear shipping cost !) i can take a >look at the deck. He's willing to trade with the gold edition (but so >does everybody else .... =) > >Cheers, >Salim SM > > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Hugo >Date: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:16 pm >Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown >glue > >> Hi Walter and Stephen >> >> Many thanks for your help guys. Stephen, when removing the glue - >> what do you remove it with? I would want to do any damage to >> circuit foils of course. If there is corrosive damage how would >> this be repaired. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Marc >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 02:56:32 -0600 >From: "Stephen Sank" >Subject: Re: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue > >As Salim said, the glue gets very brittle, so you can certainly pick most of >it carefully away without even contacting the circuit board with the small >jeweller's screwdriver or dental pick you'll be using. When you do have to >contact the board, just focus on sideways motion & getting under the glue to >pull upwards, and try to avoid any downward pressure. If you find circuit >traces that are markedly discolored, carefully scrape off any remaining >enamel above the affected section of foil, then scrape away the discolored >metal. If you get to shiny copper before going all the way through the >foil, simply solder over the area, making sure the solder flows over and >"wets" over the foil, rather than blobbing & rolling off. If the foil is >penetrated, remove more enamel from the same trace, out beyond the damaged >area, then carefully solder a section of wire, laid down along the trace, to >the good copper foil on either side of the damage, replacing the damaged >foil section. It usually doesn't get this bad on Z's though, and often >doesn't even doesn't get as bad as to have any foil damage at all. > >Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >Talking Dog Transducer Company >http://stephensank.com >1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] >505-332-0336 >Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >Payments preferred through Paypal.com >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Hugo" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:16 AM >Subject: [naktalk] Orange cap disease/types and brands/conductive brown glue > > >> Hi Walter and Stephen >> >> Many thanks for your help guys. Stephen, when removing the glue - what do >you remove it with? I would want to do any damage to circuit foils of >course. If there is corrosive damage how would this be repaired. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Marc >> >> Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in >Zambia >> Arrive in Awe.... >> .... Depart Thunderstruck >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:45:48 +0200 >From: "Mark Hugo" >Subject: [naktalk] Thank you Stephen and Salim > >Many, many thanks to Stephen and Salim for your advice and guidance. I shall be opening up this machine this coming weekend and shall let you know of my progress. > >Best wishes, > >Marc > >Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia >Arrive in Awe.... > .... Depart Thunderstruck >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 21:24:41 +1000 >From: Thomas Siomopoulos >Subject: RE: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > >Carlos, I have sent the tape today. It should take 5-8 days to reach you. Please let me know when it has arrived. > > Thanks > > Tom Siomopoulos. > >- -----Original Message----- >From: El Magnifico [mailto:copytec at coqui.net] >Sent: Monday, 16 September 2002 12:28 >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > > >New Address for Marathon Tapes' receival: > >Carlos J. Guzman >51 Calle Batey >Luquillo, Puerto Rico 00773 > >Thanks, > >Carlos > >- ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Nelson" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 7:04 PM >Subject: [naktalk] ATTENTION ALL MARATHON TAPE 2 PARTICIPANTS > > >> Nick - if you have Tape 2, record your bit and send it DIRECTLY to Carlos. >> PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE THE TAPE. >> >> The Rest - record your piece onto a cassette and send directly to Carlos - >> do NOT wait for the Marathon Tape 2 to come to you as this process is >taking >> too long. Also, keep Bleus informed of what you have recorded so he can >> update the website. >> >> Thanks for your co-operation. >> >> Graham >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> > El Magnifico >> > Sent: 14 September 2002 22:21 >> > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos >> > >> > >> > Hello Gra': >> > >> > Well, this tape saga is definetely taking too much time and we are >selling >> > our duplication plant in Puerto Rico to a big conglomerate. That's why I >> > asked the tape to be here by August. We are keeping the Mastering Suite >> > though. >> > >> > SO, whatever you guys want to do, no problem with me... >> > >> > Carlos >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Graham Nelson" >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:44 PM >> > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status - Bleus, Carlos >> > >> > >> > > Bleus, Carlos >> > > >> > > What's your reaction to Salim's idea? The tape 2 is held up >> > somewhere in >> > > Russia at the mo'. Should we give this tape run a cut-off and, if >after >> > > that, the tape has not reached you, Carlos, individual recordings to >be >> > sent >> > > directly to you from all participants in the chain? >> > > >> > > Graham >> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com >> > [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> > > > Salim Marzuki >> > > > Sent: 13 September 2002 19:06 >> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Graham, not here yet ... hey, it's september, still plenty of time >=) >> > > > >> > > > Seriously .... i really love the original idea of one marathon tape >> > > > recording, especially that this special tape travels around the >globe. >> > > > However, considering the time constraint (?) (and M1 progress) >> > > > ... maybe we >> > > > should put a deadline and get practical ? If the tape still >> > take a long >> > > > time to go by *mid october*, why dont the rest of M2ers each >> > send a tape >> > > > with 5 min song direct to Carlos ? The original M tape would be >> > dissected >> > > > anyway, probably easier for him this way. What do you think ? >> > > > >> > > > Cheers, >> > > > Salim SM >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: Graham Nelson >> > > > To: naktalk at naks.com >> > > > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 10:22 AM >> > > > Subject: RE: [naktalk] M-Tape 2 Status >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Where, oh where is Tape 2?? Who's got it now, or who thinks they >were >> > the >> > > > last person to post it?? >> > > > >> > > > Gra' >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > --------========= >> > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette >> > > > Deck resource. >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK >> http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- >> > > --------========= >> > > >> > > --- >> > > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 >> > > >> > --- >> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> > Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 >> > >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> > >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> > >> > >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >> ======= >> >> --- >> Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/02 >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2656 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Sep 19 03:58:55 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 21:58:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Laufwerk-Prsentationsmodell References: <200209181233.OAA32322@zebra.naks.com> <005d01c25f2a$43028920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <000b01c25f46$6537f270$835c33d5@cc132114a> Message-ID: <3D892F5D.50FEAAB5@snet.net> That's the old Nakamichi dealer display... basically a 680ZX series transport under glass. I owned one myself a while back and currently have another that's missing the cover and some other stuff too. I've been told that all the parts used were basically production rejects that did not meet tolerance, but would be fine for a non functional (from an audio standpoint) display. The other problem is that even though it's all new parts, the rubber still suffers from aging as the belts on mine are all stretched beyond being serviceable. I actually did pull the playback head and am thinking of putting it in an LX-5 that I have with an open coil in one channel just to see what it will do. Ed norman van wijnen wrote: > Hi naktalkers, > > what do you guys think, is this a brand new "laufwerk" for a ZX7? > > It sounds intresting building this think inside my ZX7 . Heads , wheels all > brand new. > Does somebody recognize this part? > > greetings > > Norman van Wijnen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:43 > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > > > > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > > > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > > > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > > > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > > > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > > > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > > > for less than 1/3 the cost. > > > > > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > > > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > > > the cassette deck. > > > > Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable > tape > > decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a generic > > universal remote and be done with it. At a minimum, you would need an IR > > receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which could > be > > a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to > > control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many > > people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of > thing > > you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, since I > > have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and > > relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 or > > more for the RM-580 extremely silly. > > > > I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this thing, > if > > anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair (or > > not) these used prices are. Certainly, as long as there is someone out > > there willing to pay the $325 or so that is asked, I can't argue with > > someone for asking for it, no matter how crazy I think the price is. > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Thu Sep 19 05:29:21 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:29:21 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: Tom - I have a review of Aiwa XK-S9000, which I understand was the top of the XK-S line. If you want I can look for it and e-mail to you. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wed, September 18, 2002 5:46 PM To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 19 06:55:48 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:55:48 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <003201c25f98$d2c9bf60$b3299bca@smarzuki> Hi Tom, the aiwa is one impressive looking and also good sounding machine. However, in the case of an older model (XKS700 or something that escapes me), the two 'bulging' power transformer on the back panel was deceptive. When i opened up that deck at home, there was more fresh air as components inside ... meaning that aiwa can easily put the transformers (and at least one more) inside the cabinet. In contrast, when you open a 682 or dragon you can see that they easily exceeded the "number of boards safely put inside one cabinet" limit. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Sep 19 08:34:35 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:34:35 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Yes please Stan! Thanks Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Stan Targowski [mailto:stan.targowski at attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 1:29 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Tom - I have a review of Aiwa XK-S9000, which I understand was the top of the XK-S line. If you want I can look for it and e-mail to you. Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Thomas Siomopoulos Sent: Wed, September 18, 2002 5:46 PM To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Thu Sep 19 08:37:23 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:37:23 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7F@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hmmm...very interesting. I guess Aiwa was thinking that the customer would be impressed if they added some bulges at the back. Just like the red car concept "because its red...it goes faster" :) Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Salim Marzuki [mailto:smarzuki at indosat.net.id] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 2:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Hi Tom, the aiwa is one impressive looking and also good sounding machine. However, in the case of an older model (XKS700 or something that escapes me), the two 'bulging' power transformer on the back panel was deceptive. When i opened up that deck at home, there was more fresh air as components inside ... meaning that aiwa can easily put the transformers (and at least one more) inside the cabinet. In contrast, when you open a 682 or dragon you can see that they easily exceeded the "number of boards safely put inside one cabinet" limit. Best regards, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Siomopoulos To: Naktalk mail list (E-mail) Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 5:46 AM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 Regards Tom Siomopoulos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From j.soulantikas at chello.nl Thu Sep 19 10:05:05 2002 From: j.soulantikas at chello.nl (Jannis) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 10:05:05 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] T700 Message-ID: <004301c25fb3$43d12580$13945dd5@jannis> Has any of you ever heard of a 3 head Nakamichi T700 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khmerideth at anderson.edu Thu Sep 19 14:06:30 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 07:06:30 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] T700 Message-ID: The only 3-head Nakamichi 700 series deck I've heard of, or seen, is a TT-700. The "TT" stands for Tri-Tracer. The two-head models were DT, which represented Dual-Tracer, as in DT-550. Of course, if the deck is in a location you can give it a listen and make some recordings, that's the best way to check it out. Kent Merideth Somewhere in central Indiana, where the Wigwam still stands. >>> j.soulantikas at chello.nl 09/19/02 03:05AM >>> Has any of you ever heard of a 3 head Nakamichi T700 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Thu Sep 19 14:20:34 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:20:34 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 In-Reply-To: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C7C@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <8680.020919@mtu-net.ru> Hello Thomas, I owned Xk-S9000 and 7000 models. They are very similar. This deck is very impressive in design and operation, but in terms of sound quality good Nak is better. AIWA don't sound as dynamic as open and airy as Nakamichies. Sound is a little bit dissapointing in comparison with NAKs, but IMHO is much better then top line Pioneer units (CT-93 CT-91) and much closer to the NAK. Here is its review on my site http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/promo/other/aiwa/1.htm This page is quite big and slow for download so be patient. Regards, Vladimir. ÷åòâåðã, 19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: TS> Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... TS> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 TS> Regards TS> Tom Siomopoulos TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= TS> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TS> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 19 15:25:10 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 09:25:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] T700 References: <004301c25fb3$43d12580$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D89D036.97C43C00@rcn.com> I owned a 3 head Nakamichi 700, in 1974. IIRC, there was no Nakamichi dual head deck in existence at the time and the Tri-Tracer name wasn't invented yet. Compared to anything I had owned previously -- including Grundig TK-470(?) and ReVox G36(?) -- that Nak 700 was a gem. I just put the service manual for it up for sale on ebay. -- Ron Jannis wrote: > Has any of you ever heard of a 3 head Nakamichi T700 ? ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 15:57:13 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] AFC on tuners In-Reply-To: <3D89D036.97C43C00@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020919135713.39299.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Ron. I kind of suspected it was all in the tuners but since they didn't have crystal references or anything on the transmitters back then I had wondered if it was a combination of both. See ya javier __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Thu Sep 19 15:57:03 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 06:57:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] AFC on tuners In-Reply-To: <3D89D036.97C43C00@rcn.com> Message-ID: <20020919135703.17364.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for the info Ron. I kind of suspected it was all in the tuners but since they didn't have crystal references or anything on the transmitters back then I had wondered if it was a combination of both. See ya javier __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 19 17:51:00 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:51:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] AFC on tuners References: <20020919135713.39299.qmail@web10504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3D89F264.62D03E45@rcn.com> I believe they did have crystal oscillators back then. Or, they adjusted their fixed frequency oscillators very carefully and made sure they were correct. FCC specs for transmitter accuracy are/were pretty stringent. -- Ron Javier Perez wrote: > Thanks for the info Ron. I kind of suspected > it was all in the tuners but since they didn't have > crystal references or anything on the transmitters > back then I had wondered if it was a combination of > both. > See ya > javier > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From n.van.wijnen at home.nl Thu Sep 19 20:58:19 2002 From: n.van.wijnen at home.nl (norman van wijnen) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 20:58:19 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi Laufwerk-Prsentationsmodell References: <200209181233.OAA32322@zebra.naks.com> <005d01c25f2a$43028920$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <000b01c25f46$6537f270$835c33d5@cc132114a> <3D892F5D.50FEAAB5@snet.net> Message-ID: <001c01c2600e$851fd620$835c33d5@cc132114a> Hi, well if the parts used in this object are out of specifications then its maybe not a good idea to build it inside my ZX7. Is there a naktalker who know if this is for sure? Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Noyes" To: Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 3:58 Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi Laufwerk-Prsentationsmodell > That's the old Nakamichi dealer display... basically a 680ZX series transport under > glass. I owned one myself a while back and currently have another that's missing the > cover and some other stuff too. I've been told that all the parts used were basically > production rejects that did not meet tolerance, but would be fine for a non functional > (from an audio standpoint) display. The other problem is that even though it's all new > parts, the rubber still suffers from aging as the belts on mine are all stretched > beyond being serviceable. I actually did pull the playback head and am thinking of > putting it in an LX-5 that I have with an open coil in one channel just to see what it > will do. > > Ed > > norman van wijnen wrote: > > > Hi naktalkers, > > > > what do you guys think, is this a brand new "laufwerk" for a ZX7? > > > > It sounds intresting building this think inside my ZX7 . Heads , wheels all > > brand new. > > Does somebody recognize this part? > > > > greetings > > > > Norman van Wijnen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:43 > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: RM-580 Wireless Remote Control > > > > > On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 09:43:48 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > > > > > > For some people, price is no consideration within reason. > > > > > > > > I think you put your finger on the crux of the matter. It all > > > > depends on how one defines 'within reason'. I can understand > > > > people that pay an exhorbitant price for a collectible (because > > > > the value is purely jubjective), but not people thay pay through > > > > the nose for a commodity, based on their emotional state, > > > > even though a *new* substitute does the identical same job > > > > for less than 1/3 the cost. > > > > > > > In this case, one can get *a lot* more, by spending less, on > > > > a universal remote that will control a whole system, not just > > > > the cassette deck. > > > > > > Well, if the RM-580 is to be used to control one of the non IR capable > > tape > > > decks (CR-1, CR-3, CR-5, etc.), you can't just go out and buy a generic > > > universal remote and be done with it. At a minimum, you would need an IR > > > receiver that accepted the commands from the IR transmitter (which could > > be > > > a universal remote) and converts the commands into contact closures to > > > control the tape deck through the rear panel DIN connector. For many > > > people, building this sort of device (these aren't exactly the sort of > > thing > > > you go to the store and buy) is out of the question. In my case, since I > > > have a Crestron control system that includes a RF wireless remote, and > > > relays on the controller side, I have an option that makes paying $325 or > > > more for the RM-580 extremely silly. > > > > > > I'd still like to know what the original retail price was for this thing, > > if > > > anyone happens to know. That might shed some light on just how fair (or > > > not) these used prices are. Certainly, as long as there is someone out > > > there willing to pay the $325 or so that is asked, I can't argue with > > > someone for asking for it, no matter how crazy I think the price is. > > > > > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > > ======= > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From blueswapper at angelfire.com Fri Sep 20 01:34:39 2002 From: blueswapper at angelfire.com (The BlueSwapper) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:34:39 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2656 (T-100 Auction) Message-ID: Drat, Drat, Drat, Drat....... I go out of town on business for 48 hours, and the piece of gear I really would like to grab pops up as a "buy it now" on ebay. Reasonable price too. Well, at least there are a few nice photo images and some specifications to view in that ebay advert..... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907389946 K.J. Bleus --- Help keep the blues alive! Got Some??? http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:35:28 naktalk-digest wrote: > >naktalk-digest Tuesday, September 17 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2656 > > >Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 07:50:54 +0200 >From: "wdrewes" >Subject: [naktalk] T100 audio analyzer on eBay > >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > >- ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C25E1E.F3898120 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >There is a T100 on American eBay on a very cheap BUY NOW option.If you = >want one ,thats a very reasonable price and it looks new according to = >the pictures. >Walter > > >------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:30 -0700 >From: wdrewes at iafrica.com >Subject: [naktalk] Interessanter Artikel bei eBay.de > >Artikelnummer 907389946: NAKAMICHI T-100 AUDIO ANALYZER HIGH END! >Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:58:34 PDT > >I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. >I thought I better look it up for you ! >Walter > >Artikelbezeichnung: NAKAMICHI T-100 AUDIO ANALYZER  HIGH END! >Verkaeufer: mrk43 >Auktionsbeginn: 17.09.02 05:07:53 MESZ >Auktionsende: 24.09.02 05:07:53 MESZ >Startpreis: US $200,00 >Wenn Sie bieten wollen, gehen Sie bitte zu: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=907389946 > >------------------------------ > >End of naktalk-digest V2 #2656 >****************************** > > Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 20 19:28:38 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 13:28:38 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <3D8B5AC5.ABECD105@rcn.com> I have just received the October Stereophile, with the traditional recommended components section. The item that caught my eye is their recommendation of the Rockport Technologies System III Sirius turntable. While their 'normal' highest rating is A, they gave the Sirius an A+ rating! Price is $73,750. On first blush, this seems like a somewhat excessive price for a TT. However, it turns out that it includes the arm, making it almost a bargain. Especially, considering that the combination weighs 550 lbs. (close to a quarter ton). Of course, I wouldn't dream of running this TT with anything less than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere $15,000, along with the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). The latter is said to "deliver the MEANING of music" (funny, I though that was the job of the composer and/or artist). Just thought you may want to know... -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 21 00:00:55 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <3D8B5AC5.ABECD105@rcn.com> Message-ID: <025501c260f1$31a0c5c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound shall we say less good. Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that price. As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere $15,000, doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so far which I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps how they get those prices is beyond me Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From stan.targowski at attbi.com Sat Sep 21 03:53:53 2002 From: stan.targowski at attbi.com (Stan Targowski) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:53:53 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <025501c260f1$31a0c5c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will typically end up in the garage sale. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound shall we say less good. Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that price. As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere $15,000, doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so far which I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps how they get those prices is beyond me Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 21 04:28:42 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:28:42 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <02b301c26116$9a6b6720$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" > I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for > those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. Actually Fabio's system is worth more than that but ... the guy is truly an audiophile. He is the only big star I have ever seen who always mentions how great it is to have a good stereo system and pushes high end audio. Look up the old stereophile interview, a nicer guy ..... The only other star audiophile I recall actually talking about audio was Jack Webb. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sat Sep 21 04:40:44 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:40:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of Rockport's own less expensive tables. - Joe On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" writes: > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > shall we say less good. > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > price. > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > $15,000, > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > heard this > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > stages so far which > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > $60,000 amps > how they get those prices is beyond me > Warren > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Sep 21 09:45:14 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:45:14 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best T/T in the West: Who buys top range Wilsons, Boulders, Audio Note, Khama etc Message-ID: Warren, I think that with some of the boutique manufacturers, their production is very small, and the prices are at least partly based on a dependable marketing concept, that prices infer more than just quality and thereofre will secure a percenatge of the market, albeit a small one. Some of those considerations could be pride of ownership, the desire to be mistaken for a person of discriminating taste, the desire to be thought of as wealthy and/or successful, or the need to be identified as "different". One very amusing (and insightful) hi-fi web page I found some time ago had a more cynical view of ultra high-end gear. He said that their main market, by virtue of the asking price, were international arms dealers, drug smugglers, 3rd world dictators, monarchies, and organized criminals. Cheers, Marc >>> wtremain at bellsouth.net 09/21/02 12:00AM >>> To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound shall we say less good. Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that price. As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere $15,000, doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so far which I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps how they get those prices is beyond me Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Sep 21 13:35:55 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:35:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <3D8C599B.5050402@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I understand your viewpoint, but I think that these products have an important part to play. The value of very expensive stuff is to pioneer new technology (or in some cases like moving coil cartridges or valve amps to revive technologies that have been bypassed by 'superior' ones). Very expensive designs have to recoup their development costs across smaller production runs. Military equipment and Formula One racing cars are also very expensive when compared to mass market equivalents. But one has to develop and introduce new technology somewhere - and these are the fields that have given us countless items of useful technology - computers, spacecraft, radar, carbon fibre, engine management systems, active control everything. Are't BAE Systems developing a solid-state gyro so you can have an intertial navigation system in you family car? That's half-way towards having a car that drives itself! Having just read the review of the USD30K Halcro power amps, I can't wait until that technology gets 'production-ised' and becomes available at a price that us 'mid-range' audiophiles can afford. Stan Targowski wrote: >I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for >those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. > >I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, >even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge >and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. > >Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At >least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end >up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will >typically end up in the garage sale. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Warren >Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought >the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound >shall we say less good. >Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that >price. > >As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere >$15,000, >doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? >and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this >level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so far >which >I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps >how they get those prices is beyond me >Warren >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Sep 21 13:38:28 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:38:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <02b301c26116$9a6b6720$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D8C5A34.2080605@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> That's an interesting thread to start. The late Douglas Adams, author of the 'Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy' books was an audiophile. Our ex-Prime Minister, Edward Heath also has a pretty good system. John Walker (seeking to rub shoulders with the rich and famous?) Warren wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stan Targowski" > > > >>I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for >>those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. >> >> > >Actually Fabio's system is worth more than that but ... the guy is truly an audiophile. >He is the only big star I have ever seen who always mentions how great it is to >have a good stereo system and pushes high end audio. >Look up the old stereophile interview, a nicer guy ..... > >The only other star audiophile I recall actually talking about audio was Jack Webb. > >Warren > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 21 14:42:52 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:42:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: 1. Correct speed. 2. Constant speed. 3. Vibrationless/Noisless. 4. Isolation. The first three are accomplished fairly easily and comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, depending on the LP suspension system. I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost and price. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > - Joe > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > writes: > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > shall we say less good. > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > price. > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > $15,000, > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > heard this > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > stages so far which > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > $60,000 amps > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sat Sep 21 15:10:46 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 06:10:46 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> Message-ID: A friend who used to be in the high end business refuses to part with his "as new" denon dp60 with an old dl103 cartridge. I have listened to it and it sounds great; he has it isolated very well. One recently sold for 400/offer on Audiogon. Hmmm Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ron Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: 1. Correct speed. 2. Constant speed. 3. Vibrationless/Noisless. 4. Isolation. The first three are accomplished fairly easily and comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, depending on the LP suspension system. I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost and price. -- Ron josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > - Joe > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > writes: > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > shall we say less good. > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > price. > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > $15,000, > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > heard this > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > stages so far which > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > $60,000 amps > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sat Sep 21 15:23:00 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:23:00 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> Message-ID: The TT / Tonearm / Cartridge / Phono Preamp all interact & contribute to the analog output of a "record player". Believe me decent sounding ones are not "cheap". You need to spend $5-10K total before you even begin to reach a point of "all sounding the same". As for the price of the $73K Sirius, it's got about $30K in parts and is a very limited edition. This means the high development costs have to be spread over a very few units before they even begin to make a "profit". I'd be surprised if the venture yields a profit at all. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while > rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: > > 1. Correct speed. > 2. Constant speed. > 3. Vibrationless/Noisless. > 4. Isolation. > > The first three are accomplished fairly easily and > comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. > The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve > perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, > depending on the LP suspension system. > > I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of > isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that > the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind > of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost > and price. > > -- Ron > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is > > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > > > - Joe > > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > > writes: > > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > > shall we say less good. > > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > > price. > > > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > > $15,000, > > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > > heard this > > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > > stages so far which > > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > > $60,000 amps > > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > > Warren > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 21 16:01:38 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:01:38 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D8C5A34.2080605@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c26177$67688220$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> > John Walker (seeking to rub shoulders with the rich and famous?) Okay John - when someone publishes my books and it's a best seller, you'll be able to say you know me! Grinham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil Sat Sep 21 16:49:54 2002 From: rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil (rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:49:54 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B87701F253DD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Anybody who would pay 73K for a turntable (or believe that there is 30K worth of parts + R&D [which not that much is done anymore] deserves to be parted from their money. Cheers, Raul -----Original Message----- From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:hifisapi at gate.net] Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:23 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West The TT / Tonearm / Cartridge / Phono Preamp all interact & contribute to the analog output of a "record player". Believe me decent sounding ones are not "cheap". You need to spend $5-10K total before you even begin to reach a point of "all sounding the same". As for the price of the $73K Sirius, it's got about $30K in parts and is a very limited edition. This means the high development costs have to be spread over a very few units before they even begin to make a "profit". I'd be surprised if the venture yields a profit at all. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while > rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: > > 1. Correct speed. > 2. Constant speed. > 3. Vibrationless/Noisless. > 4. Isolation. > > The first three are accomplished fairly easily and > comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. > The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve > perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, > depending on the LP suspension system. > > I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of > isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that > the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind > of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost > and price. > > -- Ron > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is > > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > > > - Joe > > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > > writes: > > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > > shall we say less good. > > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > > price. > > > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > > $15,000, > > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > > heard this > > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > > stages so far which > > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > > $60,000 amps > > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > > Warren > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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If anyone is going to engage in a war, these will not be tanks, these will be aircraft, guided missiles that will make or break it. Same with cars, Formula I etc is great test ground for our upcoming Honda's and Ferraris. However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws or high tech horse carts. Turntables, how much we can like them are the theme of the past - museum antics, that only fanatics, like some of us, want to use, because these were our dreams from the years that have gone by. Sure, they sound great, but 99.9% of the market cares less about them than about the cassette medium ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sat, September 21, 2002 6:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West I understand your viewpoint, but I think that these products have an important part to play. The value of very expensive stuff is to pioneer new technology (or in some cases like moving coil cartridges or valve amps to revive technologies that have been bypassed by 'superior' ones). Very expensive designs have to recoup their development costs across smaller production runs. Military equipment and Formula One racing cars are also very expensive when compared to mass market equivalents. But one has to develop and introduce new technology somewhere - and these are the fields that have given us countless items of useful technology - computers, spacecraft, radar, carbon fibre, engine management systems, active control everything. Are't BAE Systems developing a solid-state gyro so you can have an intertial navigation system in you family car? That's half-way towards having a car that drives itself! Having just read the review of the USD30K Halcro power amps, I can't wait until that technology gets 'production-ised' and becomes available at a price that us 'mid-range' audiophiles can afford. Stan Targowski wrote: >I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for >those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. > >I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, >even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge >and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. > >Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At >least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end >up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will >typically end up in the garage sale. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Warren >Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought >the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound >shall we say less good. >Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that >price. > >As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere >$15,000, >doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? >and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this >level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so far >which >I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps >how they get those prices is beyond me >Warren >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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He said he had seven tables at the start of one day and at the end there were three very low end (cheap direct drive Technics stuff) left. Any halfway decent belt drive goes very quickly. There are more than fanatics re-discovering their record collections. And, doing it on the cheap. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Stan Targowski Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 7:49 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Point taken John. However, new phono stages and turntables can be compared to any research that goes on on military tanks, rickshaws or horse carts. If anyone is going to engage in a war, these will not be tanks, these will be aircraft, guided missiles that will make or break it. Same with cars, Formula I etc is great test ground for our upcoming Honda's and Ferraris. However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws or high tech horse carts. Turntables, how much we can like them are the theme of the past - museum antics, that only fanatics, like some of us, want to use, because these were our dreams from the years that have gone by. Sure, they sound great, but 99.9% of the market cares less about them than about the cassette medium ... Stan -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Sat, September 21, 2002 6:36 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West I understand your viewpoint, but I think that these products have an important part to play. The value of very expensive stuff is to pioneer new technology (or in some cases like moving coil cartridges or valve amps to revive technologies that have been bypassed by 'superior' ones). Very expensive designs have to recoup their development costs across smaller production runs. Military equipment and Formula One racing cars are also very expensive when compared to mass market equivalents. But one has to develop and introduce new technology somewhere - and these are the fields that have given us countless items of useful technology - computers, spacecraft, radar, carbon fibre, engine management systems, active control everything. Are't BAE Systems developing a solid-state gyro so you can have an intertial navigation system in you family car? That's half-way towards having a car that drives itself! Having just read the review of the USD30K Halcro power amps, I can't wait until that technology gets 'production-ised' and becomes available at a price that us 'mid-range' audiophiles can afford. Stan Targowski wrote: >I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for >those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. > >I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, >even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge >and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. > >Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At >least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end >up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will >typically end up in the garage sale. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >Warren >Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought >the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound >shall we say less good. >Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that >price. > >As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere >$15,000, >doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? >and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this >level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so far >which >I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps >how they get those prices is beyond me >Warren >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= = >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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John MSc (that's Master of Sarcasm) Graham Nelson wrote: >>John Walker (seeking to rub shoulders with the rich and famous?) >> >> > >Okay John - when someone publishes my books and it's a best seller, you'll >be able to say you know me! > >Grinham > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Sat Sep 21 17:54:19 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John Gradowski) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 08:54:19 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> Message-ID: <001601c26187$25c3e6b0$ed29cd3f@baboonasqthsvj> Joe. Although I have not heard the Rockport, I have heard the same thing said about the table also. Some folks are looking for that type of sound from their tables. I think the Rockport looks totally cool though. Another item I also heard is that not much $ is made off selling a Rockport. Being made one at a time & w/ all the machined parts, there is a lot of labor in making one of those beasts. If I had those kind of bucks to spend on a table, I would much rather have a La Luce. Now that table sounds like analog. & yes, I have heard one of those. Totally awesome. Cal John. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > - Joe > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > writes: > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > shall we say less good. > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > price. > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > $15,000, > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > heard this > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > stages so far which > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > $60,000 amps > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > Warren > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sat Sep 21 18:19:44 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:19:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> Message-ID: <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > on sound quality. Ron we have been through this before you have denied the advantage of the centering of records by the Nakamichi tables without hearing it. you may believe that its fairly simple to create a neutral table and arm but it isn't. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 21 18:25:35 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:25:35 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B87701F253DD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: <000301c2618b$838b7b60$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> Raul said: > > Anybody who would pay 73K for a turntable (or believe > that there is 30K worth of parts + R&D [which not that > much is done anymore] deserves to be parted from their > money. > True. But do those who get the money deserve it any more than those who part with it? $73k might not feed the World but it could probably help improve the lives, even save a few, of a lot of people who do deserve better. Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 21 18:36:28 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 12:36:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <3D8CA00C.F14D68B1@rcn.com> By 'isolation', I meant, the isolation of the LP from the rest of the world. Most TTs use a metal platter to support the LP. Due to the cussedness of things (laws of Physics and such), these platters must be resonant, imparting to the LP tiny motion that is reproduced along with the music, causing coloration. As to the $30K in parts -- I have no idea what's inside the Sirius. Many years ago I was in charge of 'Single Disk Tester' development (used for testing computer hard disks outside of the drive) for a company called at the time Digital Equipment Corporation. Each SDT was designed on a one by one basis, built on a one by one basis and choke full of extremely complex mechanical and electronic components, (easily 100 times what a TT could possibly contain), at far, far higher precision. Cost was about 1/4 of a million dollars. Using common sense I don't see a self cost of $30K in the TT, even taking inflation into account. That said -- I do not doubt for a second that the Sirius must be a super sounding TT. I just find the idea of $100K LP playing contraption to be part ludicrous, part obscene. Just my $0.02 personal reaction. -- Ron Carl C wrote: > A friend who used to be in the high end business refuses to part with his > "as new" denon dp60 with an old dl103 cartridge. I have listened to it and > it sounds great; he has it isolated very well. One recently sold for > 400/offer on Audiogon. > > Hmmm > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Ron > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while > rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: > > 1. Correct speed. > 2. Constant speed. > 3. Vibrationless/Noisless. > 4. Isolation. > > The first three are accomplished fairly easily and > comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. > The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve > perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, > depending on the LP suspension system. > > I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of > isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that > the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind > of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost > and price. > > -- Ron > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is > > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > > > - Joe > > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > > writes: > > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > > shall we say less good. > > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > > price. > > > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > > $15,000, > > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > > heard this > > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > > stages so far which > > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > > $60,000 amps > > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Sep 21 18:43:14 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:43:14 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <3D8CA1A2.4000804@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Stan There is nothing wrong with re-visiting an old product as new technology becomes available. Carbon fibre technology was invented for military use as a strong/light material for jet engine turbine blades. There is a successful company (Wilson Benesch) in the UK that has applied it to pickup arms with good effect, for exactly the same technical reasons. (They use it for better engineering reasons than most car companies, who apply carbon fibre to small areas of trim to give a 'racetrack' look, but only save a fraction of a gram in the process!) My Pink Triangle turntable has a chunk of aerospace aluminium honeycomb in the floating sub-platter for isolation (sandwiched with end grain balsa - a truly composite material). I bet that modern computer aided engineering and manufacturing techniques also permit companies to make much better cartridges and arms than were available in vinyl's initial hey-day. . If vinyl is a museum piece, somebody ought to tell the younger generation, who insist on using them to produce modern dance music. With present trends, I reckon that vinyl will be ahead of cassette in market share real soon, if it isn't already! Finally, you are part right about military technology. The key war winner these days is information and connectivity, which is what is used to deliver all those 'precision' munitions from aircraft. The tank is far from redundant, though - the next conflict might well involve a lot of them! John Walker Stan Targowski wrote: >Point taken John. However, new phono stages and turntables can be compared >to any research that goes on on military tanks, rickshaws or horse carts. If >anyone is going to engage in a war, these will not be tanks, these will be >aircraft, guided missiles that will make or break it. Same with cars, >Formula I etc is great test ground for our upcoming Honda's and Ferraris. >However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws or high tech >horse carts. > >Turntables, how much we can like them are the theme of the past - museum >antics, that only fanatics, like some of us, want to use, because these were >our dreams from the years that have gone by. Sure, they sound great, but >99.9% of the market cares less about them than about the cassette medium ... > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Sat, September 21, 2002 6:36 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >I understand your viewpoint, but I think that these products have an >important part to play. The value of very expensive stuff is to pioneer >new technology (or in some cases like moving coil cartridges or valve >amps to revive technologies that have been bypassed by 'superior' ones). >Very expensive designs have to recoup their development costs across >smaller production runs. Military equipment and Formula One racing cars >are also very expensive when compared to mass market equivalents. But >one has to develop and introduce new technology somewhere - and these >are the fields that have given us countless items of useful technology - >computers, spacecraft, radar, carbon fibre, engine management systems, >active control everything. Are't BAE Systems developing a solid-state >gyro so you can have an intertial navigation system in you family car? >That's half-way towards having a car that drives itself! > Having just read the review of the USD30K Halcro power amps, I can't >wait until that technology gets 'production-ised' and becomes available >at a price that us 'mid-range' audiophiles can afford. > >Stan Targowski wrote: > > > >>I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for >>those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. >> >>I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, >>even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge >>and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. >> >>Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At >>least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end >>up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will >>typically end up in the garage sale. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Warren >>Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >> >>To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought >>the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound >>shall we say less good. >>Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that >>price. >> >>As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere >>$15,000, >>doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? >>and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this >>level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so >> >> >far > > >>which >>I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps >>how they get those prices is beyond me >>Warren >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >> >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 21 18:46:02 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:46:02 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D8C8AE3.5030601@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000401c2618e$5ee1c5a0$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> Heh! heh! In that case, you'll be getting a signed first edition!! (Which reminds me ... do we have any literary agents amongst us on the NakList? Brilliant new author with fabulous manuscript in progress ...) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 21 September 2002 16:06 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > No, I won't be able to because I will be stunned into silence. > > John MSc (that's Master of Sarcasm) > > Graham Nelson wrote: > > >>John Walker (seeking to rub shoulders with the rich and famous?) > >> > >> > > > >Okay John - when someone publishes my books and it's a best > seller, you'll > >be able to say you know me! > > > >Grinham > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 21 18:46:07 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:46:07 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <001601c26187$25c3e6b0$ed29cd3f@baboonasqthsvj> Message-ID: <000a01c2618e$61b1fca0$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> I think Cal John has put his finger on the button - the aesthetics of the equipment is important to some people. A £10 quartz watch tells the time no less accurately than a quartz watch that sells for £20k but it rarely looks as good, it's rarely also an item of jewellery as much (or more) than it is a time piece. Ditto some items of hi fi, I suppose, not least the gold plated limited edition Dragon or 1000ZX ... they were more than just a piece of hi fi. Arguably, however, the same could also be said of, for example, the Michell Gyrodeck, which is not just a good player of records, it's a beautiful, ornamental piece of engineering - the fact that it can sound great, too, is a bonus! (The other bonus is that it's not that expensive for a modern TT, either ...) Gra > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Gradowski > Sent: 21 September 2002 16:54 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > Joe. Although I have not heard the Rockport, I have heard the same thing > said about the table also. Some folks are looking for that type of sound > from their tables. I think the Rockport looks totally cool though. Another > item I also heard is that not much $ is made off selling a Rockport. Being > made one at a time & w/ all the machined parts, there is a lot of labor in > making one of those beasts. > > If I had those kind of bucks to spend on a table, I would much > rather have a > La Luce. Now that table sounds like analog. & yes, I have heard one of > those. Totally awesome. > > > Cal John. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua Sat Sep 21 19:31:16 2002 From: MVM at boom.pp.kiev.ua (Michael Mironov) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:31:16 +0200 (EET) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Hi Warren, Absolytely right! There is no such a thing like a "NEUTRAL"in a whole universe... Especialy in a world of sound. Especialy in a TT region ;-) Misha >> As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect >> on sound quality. > >Ron we have been through this before you have denied the advantage >of the centering of records by the Nakamichi tables without hearing it. >you may believe that its fairly simple to create a neutral table and arm >but it isn't. >Warren >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Sep 21 18:52:28 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:52:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <3D8CA00C.F14D68B1@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D8CA3CC.2040003@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Depends on what materials you use. The Russian Navy used to have submarines whose pressure hulls were made of titanium alloy. Or the USAF B-2 stealth bomber. That is chock-full of advanced composite materials, to the extent that the airframe is worth more than its weight in gold apparently. Many torpedoes use batteries that contain silver by the kilogram. However, the biggest cost with any complex, low volume piece of equipment is the engineering time that went into making it. Ron wrote: >By 'isolation', I meant, the isolation of the LP from the rest of >the world. Most TTs use a metal platter to support the LP. >Due to the cussedness of things (laws of Physics and such), >these platters must be resonant, imparting to the LP tiny >motion that is reproduced along with the music, causing >coloration. > >As to the $30K in parts -- I have no idea what's inside the >Sirius. Many years ago I was in charge of 'Single Disk Tester' >development (used for testing computer hard disks outside >of the drive) for a company called at the time Digital >Equipment Corporation. Each SDT was designed on a one >by one basis, built on a one by one basis and choke full of >extremely complex mechanical and electronic components, >(easily 100 times what a TT could possibly contain), at far, >far higher precision. Cost was about 1/4 of a million dollars. >Using common sense I don't see a self cost of $30K in the >TT, even taking inflation into account. > >That said -- I do not doubt for a second that the Sirius must >be a super sounding TT. I just find the idea of $100K LP >playing contraption to be part ludicrous, part obscene. Just >my $0.02 personal reaction. > >-- Ron > > > >Carl C wrote: > > > >>A friend who used to be in the high end business refuses to part with his >>"as new" denon dp60 with an old dl103 cartridge. I have listened to it and >>it sounds great; he has it isolated very well. One recently sold for >>400/offer on Audiogon. >> >>Hmmm >>Carl >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Ron >>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 5:43 AM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >>As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect >>on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while >>rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: >> >>1. Correct speed. >>2. Constant speed. >>3. Vibrationless/Noisless. >>4. Isolation. >> >>The first three are accomplished fairly easily and >>comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. >>The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve >>perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, >>depending on the LP suspension system. >> >>I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of >>isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that >>the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind >>of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost >>and price. >> >>-- Ron >> >>josephj69 at juno.com wrote: >> >> >> >>>Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two >>>people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems >>>suggest that the table does some things very well, but that the sound is >>>VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME >>>3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of >>>Rockport's own less expensive tables. >>> >>>- Joe >>> >>>On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" >>>writes: >>> >>> >>>>To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought >>>>the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound >>>>shall we say less good. >>>>Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that >>>>price. >>>> >>>>As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere >>>>$15,000, >>>>doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? >>>>and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never >>>>heard this >>>>level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono >>>>stages so far which >>>>I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the >>>>$60,000 amps >>>>how they get those prices is beyond me >>>>Warren >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Sep 21 18:54:09 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:54:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] TT 700 References: <001a01c2618d$e4913600$13945dd5@jannis> Message-ID: <3D8CA431.4010006@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Yes, definitely, I will take one or both from you. I would prefer the MkII, but can negotiate/discuss. John Walker Portland United Kingdom Jannis wrote: > There is someone here in Holland who wants to sell 2 naks 700 (700 I > and 700 II) very cheap (around $50 each). Problem is they play but don > not copy. Is it worth it? If there is anyone who would like to have > them I could arrange the transaction. > > Jannis ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 21 20:07:23 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 14:07:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> Warren, If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this a moot point for me. As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) -- if you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious issue of LP eccentricity? And why wasn't the Nak TT such a huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era when LPs were a major program source)? Have a nice weekend, -- Ron Warren wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:42 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > > on sound quality. > > Ron we have been through this before you have denied the advantage > of the centering of records by the Nakamichi tables without hearing it. > you may believe that its fairly simple to create a neutral table and arm > but it isn't. > Warren > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Sat Sep 21 20:25:52 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:25:52 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: John, I think you're right. You make a couple of provocative suggstions. Firstly, just looking around at HMV, Tower and Virgin Megastore, I would definitely think that vinyl outsells pre-recorded compact cassette. But that is first world where retro is totally cool. (You have say that with a stud in your tongue and eyes glazed over with, well, glaze.) Here in the third world, pre-recorded cassettes still command a healthy market share. The facts are, that technology doesn't stand still. As materials and techniques become available, they are used to enhance existing methods, but only if there is commercial viability attached to it. Some of the newly cut records on offer today are the best in the history of the format. I wonder what cartridges of yesteryear (say 20 years ago) are as capable in detail retrieval as a modern Transfiguration MC. I'm not an expert in this area.....Warren and Jim will probably put me right on this. Modern commercial vinyl sounds phenomenol - as detailed as the CD but with strangely different dynamics, provided they have been recorded in the analogue domain, otherwise they sound basically identical. The dynamics I refer to, is when comparing the Simply Vinyl 200g LP of The Who's "Tommy" with the matching CD. In the CD, the whole sound gets louder or softer with the various components of the performance swelling or diminishing in direct proportion to one another, whereas in the LP, guitar dynamics are independent of vocals dynamics, synth dynamics, drums etc. The impact this has on imaging is incredible. Exactly sychronised (side-by-side) comparisons are not at first obvious, after switching from one input to another on the pre-amp remote. Then suddenly, you can hear. One is real, one is 16 bit crap. The same can be experienced on the Beatles Abbey Road album. I have no idea whether SACD versions will be better than the regular CDs. This why I record to cassette and not CD, minidisc or DAT. Marc >>> john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk 09/21/02 06:43PM >>> Stan There is nothing wrong with re-visiting an old product as new technology becomes available. Carbon fibre technology was invented for military use as a strong/light material for jet engine turbine blades. There is a successful company (Wilson Benesch) in the UK that has applied it to pickup arms with good effect, for exactly the same technical reasons. (They use it for better engineering reasons than most car companies, who apply carbon fibre to small areas of trim to give a 'racetrack' look, but only save a fraction of a gram in the process!) My Pink Triangle turntable has a chunk of aerospace aluminium honeycomb in the floating sub-platter for isolation (sandwiched with end grain balsa - a truly composite material). I bet that modern computer aided engineering and manufacturing techniques also permit companies to make much better cartridges and arms than were available in vinyl's initial hey-day. . If vinyl is a museum piece, somebody ought to tell the younger generation, who insist on using them to produce modern dance music. With present trends, I reckon that vinyl will be ahead of cassette in market share real soon, if it isn't already! Finally, you are part right about military technology. The key war winner these days is information and connectivity, which is what is used to deliver all those 'precision' munitions from aircraft. The tank is far from redundant, though - the next conflict might well involve a lot of them! John Walker Stan Targowski wrote: >Point taken John. However, new phono stages and turntables can be compared >to any research that goes on on military tanks, rickshaws or horse carts. If >anyone is going to engage in a war, these will not be tanks, these will be >aircraft, guided missiles that will make or break it. Same with cars, >Formula I etc is great test ground for our upcoming Honda's and Ferraris. >However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws or high tech >horse carts. > >Turntables, how much we can like them are the theme of the past - museum >antics, that only fanatics, like some of us, want to use, because these were >our dreams from the years that have gone by. Sure, they sound great, but >99.9% of the market cares less about them than about the cassette medium ... > >Stan > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >John Walker >Sent: Sat, September 21, 2002 6:36 AM >To: naktalk at naks.com >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >I understand your viewpoint, but I think that these products have an >important part to play. The value of very expensive stuff is to pioneer >new technology (or in some cases like moving coil cartridges or valve >amps to revive technologies that have been bypassed by 'superior' ones). >Very expensive designs have to recoup their development costs across >smaller production runs. Military equipment and Formula One racing cars >are also very expensive when compared to mass market equivalents. But >one has to develop and introduce new technology somewhere - and these >are the fields that have given us countless items of useful technology - >computers, spacecraft, radar, carbon fibre, engine management systems, >active control everything. Are't BAE Systems developing a solid-state >gyro so you can have an intertial navigation system in you family car? >That's half-way towards having a car that drives itself! > Having just read the review of the USD30K Halcro power amps, I can't >wait until that technology gets 'production-ised' and becomes available >at a price that us 'mid-range' audiophiles can afford. > >Stan Targowski wrote: > > > >>I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for >>those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. >> >>I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, >>even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge >>and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. >> >>Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At >>least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end >>up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will >>typically end up in the garage sale. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>Warren >>Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >> >>To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought >>the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound >>shall we say less good. >>Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that >>price. >> >>As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere >>$15,000, >>doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? >>and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this >>level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so >> >> >far > > >>which >>I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps >>how they get those prices is beyond me >>Warren >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >= > > >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >> >> >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia Arrive in Awe.... .... Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Sep 21 23:11:51 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:11:51 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <3D8CA1A2.4000804@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <002401c261b3$853ec980$781f2ac4@CopyTech> . With > present trends, I reckon that vinyl will be ahead of cassette in market > share real soon, if it isn't already! Guys, there's simply no way this will happen now, tomorrow or ever. Even with the cassette fast dismissal, last year we (duplicators in general) put out a sum of nearly 400 million pieces compared to barely 2 mil. LP's. But, as Johnny says, is far from dead. By the way, the only reason we still produce LP's for Dance music is simply because of DJ's handling (scratching is what they call ) not because of sound quality, neither convenience. Try to "scratch" with CD's, no way Jose ... not even with those Denon DJ cd players where you can rock back and forth the disc. Just wait couple of years more, and all the old presses will stop dead. Believe me. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Sep 21 23:14:32 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:14:32 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003601c261b3$e51b3140$781f2ac4@CopyTech> Simply because they didn't count with a marketing genius from BOSE !!! Ha, ha, ha, just kidding, Ron ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Warren, > > If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > a moot point for me. > > As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) -- if > you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > issue of LP eccentricity? And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > when LPs were a major program source)? > > Have a nice weekend, > > -- Ron > > > > Warren wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > > > on sound quality. > > > > Ron we have been through this before you have denied the advantage > > of the centering of records by the Nakamichi tables without hearing it. > > you may believe that its fairly simple to create a neutral table and arm > > but it isn't. > > Warren > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sat Sep 21 23:18:59 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:18:59 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <003b01c261b4$843441e0$781f2ac4@CopyTech> Not even in dreams, believe me. 2 million copies is nothing in the market. Only 2 good presses still pumping out LP"s in America. That's it. The rest of the plants were closed long ago and there's not a single press manufacturer around. Not anymore. LP's is something like a fever, just like the cigar rush in the 90's. Wait a couple of years and you'll remember me ... Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > John, > > I think you're right. You make a couple of provocative suggstions. Firstly, just looking around at HMV, Tower and Virgin Megastore, I would definitely think that vinyl outsells pre-recorded compact cassette. But that is first world where retro is totally cool. (You have say that with a stud in your tongue and eyes glazed over with, well, glaze.) ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 21 22:23:31 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:23:31 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <3D8CD543.7A9056E2@rcn.com> Here in the good ol' US of A, during 2000, cassettes sold to the tune of $626M (million) plus $142.7M for cassette singles, while LPs *plus* EPs managed a mere $2.2M. IOW, vinyl is an endangered species, if not a dying breed. Another interesting statistics is that CD sales held essentially steady, while vinyl declined by a hefty 12.7% and cassettes by 41%. Unit sales declined by less, implying a drop in price of both vinyl and cassettes. CDs actually showed a slight price increase. -- Ron Mark Hugo wrote: > John, > > I think you're right. You make a couple of provocative suggstions. Firstly, just looking around at HMV, Tower and Virgin Megastore, I would definitely think that vinyl outsells pre-recorded compact cassette. But that is first world where retro is totally cool. (You have say that with a stud in your tongue and eyes glazed over with, well, glaze.) > > Here in the third world, pre-recorded cassettes still command a healthy market share. > > The facts are, that technology doesn't stand still. As materials and techniques become available, they are used to enhance existing methods, but only if there is commercial viability attached to it. Some of the newly cut records on offer today are the best in the history of the format. I wonder what cartridges of yesteryear (say 20 years ago) are as capable in detail retrieval as a modern Transfiguration MC. I'm not an expert in this area.....Warren and Jim will probably put me right on this. Modern commercial vinyl sounds phenomenol - as detailed as the CD but with strangely different dynamics, provided they have been recorded in the analogue domain, otherwise they sound basically identical. > > The dynamics I refer to, is when comparing the Simply Vinyl 200g LP of The Who's "Tommy" with the matching CD. In the CD, the whole sound gets louder or softer with the various components of the performance swelling or diminishing in direct proportion to one another, whereas in the LP, guitar dynamics are independent of vocals dynamics, synth dynamics, drums etc. The impact this has on imaging is incredible. Exactly sychronised (side-by-side) comparisons are not at first obvious, after switching from one input to another on the pre-amp remote. Then suddenly, you can hear. One is real, one is 16 bit crap. The same can be experienced on the Beatles Abbey Road album. I have no idea whether SACD versions will be better than the regular CDs. > > This why I record to cassette and not CD, minidisc or DAT. > > Marc > > >>> john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk 09/21/02 06:43PM >>> > Stan > There is nothing wrong with re-visiting an old product as new technology > becomes available. Carbon fibre technology was invented for military use > as a strong/light material for jet engine turbine blades. There is a > successful company (Wilson Benesch) in the UK that has applied it to > pickup arms with good effect, for exactly the same technical reasons. > (They use it for better engineering reasons than most car companies, who > apply carbon fibre to small areas of trim to give a 'racetrack' look, > but only save a fraction of a gram in the process!) My Pink Triangle > turntable has a chunk of aerospace aluminium honeycomb in the floating > sub-platter for isolation (sandwiched with end grain balsa - a truly > composite material). I bet that modern computer aided engineering and > manufacturing techniques also permit companies to make much better > cartridges and arms than were available in vinyl's initial hey-day. . > > If vinyl is a museum piece, somebody ought to tell the younger > generation, who insist on using them to produce modern dance music. With > present trends, I reckon that vinyl will be ahead of cassette in market > share real soon, if it isn't already! > > Finally, you are part right about military technology. The key war > winner these days is information and connectivity, which is what is used > to deliver all those 'precision' munitions from aircraft. The tank is > far from redundant, though - the next conflict might well involve a lot > of them! > > John Walker > > Stan Targowski wrote: > > >Point taken John. However, new phono stages and turntables can be compared > >to any research that goes on on military tanks, rickshaws or horse carts. If > >anyone is going to engage in a war, these will not be tanks, these will be > >aircraft, guided missiles that will make or break it. Same with cars, > >Formula I etc is great test ground for our upcoming Honda's and Ferraris. > >However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws or high tech > >horse carts. > > > >Turntables, how much we can like them are the theme of the past - museum > >antics, that only fanatics, like some of us, want to use, because these were > >our dreams from the years that have gone by. Sure, they sound great, but > >99.9% of the market cares less about them than about the cassette medium ... > > > >Stan > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >John Walker > >Sent: Sat, September 21, 2002 6:36 AM > >To: naktalk at naks.com > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > >I understand your viewpoint, but I think that these products have an > >important part to play. The value of very expensive stuff is to pioneer > >new technology (or in some cases like moving coil cartridges or valve > >amps to revive technologies that have been bypassed by 'superior' ones). > >Very expensive designs have to recoup their development costs across > >smaller production runs. Military equipment and Formula One racing cars > >are also very expensive when compared to mass market equivalents. But > >one has to develop and introduce new technology somewhere - and these > >are the fields that have given us countless items of useful technology - > >computers, spacecraft, radar, carbon fibre, engine management systems, > >active control everything. Are't BAE Systems developing a solid-state > >gyro so you can have an intertial navigation system in you family car? > >That's half-way towards having a car that drives itself! > > Having just read the review of the USD30K Halcro power amps, I can't > >wait until that technology gets 'production-ised' and becomes available > >at a price that us 'mid-range' audiophiles can afford. > > > >Stan Targowski wrote: > > > > > > > >>I heard Fabio had a $2,000,000 audio/video. They need to make equipment for > >>those with cash that they do not know what to spend on. > >> > >>I can believe in speaker and interconnect cables, love at a first sight, > >>even will go the extreme of believing in honest women, but $15K cartridge > >>and $30K phono stage is bullcrap. Amen. > >> > >>Going to another extreme, one can say that something is an investment At > >>least if you buy $50-100K Lange and Sohne or Patek, chances are it will end > >>up in 20+ years at an auction for 3-5x the price, the audio gear will > >>typically end up in the garage sale. > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > >>Warren > >>Sent: Fri, September 20, 2002 5:01 PM > >>To: naktalk at naks.com > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >> > >> > >>To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > >>the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > >>shall we say less good. > >>Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > >>price. > >> > >>As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > >>$15,000, > >>doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > >>and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never heard this > >>level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono stages so > >> > >> > >far > > > > > >>which > >>I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the $60,000 amps > >>how they get those prices is beyond me > >>Warren > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >> > >> > >= > > > > > >>======= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >> > >> > >= > > > > > >>======= > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >> > >> > >======== > > > > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >> > >> > >resource. > > > > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >> > >> > >======== > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >======= > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Sep 22 00:15:56 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <20020921.181715.-361637.2.josephj69@juno.com> Hey John, I just wan't to clarify that I didn't mean to criticize your choice in an ultimate turntable, but to present another view of this very expensive unit. > Some folks are looking for that type of sound > from their tables. That's exactly what frightens me. Most of them use Krell amplification and Clearaudio cartridges. :) > I think the Rockport looks totally cool though. I'm sure it does. But so does the Verdier and the big air bearing Micros, but they actually sound good too! :) > If I had those kind of bucks to spend on a table, I would much rather have a > La Luce. Now that table sounds like analog. & yes, I have heard one of > those. Totally awesome. I've never heard one of those, but like everything else, I've heard good and bad reports. It is pretty however, and it's kind of cool that it was designed and built by a chick, isn't it? :) - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From hifisapi at gate.net Sun Sep 22 01:57:43 2002 From: hifisapi at gate.net (J. C. O'Connell) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 19:57:43 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <359A251AC6C77941A7043F96CEA6B87701F253DD@nh-rota-exch1.med.navy.mil> Message-ID: What, does the product appear out of thin air? Of course it has to be developed, and that costs big bucks. Enginnering costs are not cheap. JCO > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > rxtellez at rota.med.navy.mil > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:50 AM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > Anybody who would pay 73K for a turntable (or believe > that there is 30K worth of parts + R&D [which not that > much is done anymore] deserves to be parted from their > money. > > Cheers, > Raul > > -----Original Message----- > From: J. C. O'Connell [mailto:hifisapi at gate.net] > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 3:23 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > The TT / Tonearm / Cartridge / Phono Preamp > all interact & contribute to the analog > output of a "record player". Believe me > decent sounding ones are not "cheap". > You need to spend $5-10K total before you even > begin to reach a point of "all sounding the same". > > As for the price of the $73K Sirius, it's got > about $30K in parts and is a very limited edition. > This means the high development costs have to be > spread over a very few units before they even > begin to make a "profit". I'd be surprised if > the venture yields a profit at all. > > JCO > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Ron > > Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 8:43 AM > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > > As a heretic, I would comment that a TT has little effect > > on sound quality. It's job is to support the record while > > rotating it at fixed speed. There are only four requirements: > > > > 1. Correct speed. > > 2. Constant speed. > > 3. Vibrationless/Noisless. > > 4. Isolation. > > > > The first three are accomplished fairly easily and > > comparatively cheaply, by almost every TT under the sun. > > The fourth is difficult -- it's almost impossible to achieve > > perfect isolation. This can results in various colorations, > > depending on the LP suspension system. > > > > I believe that the Sirius achieves a very high degree of > > isolation and its probably one fine TT. I also believe that > > the largest component in its price is profit. At this kind > > of a price, I doubt there is any correlation between cost > > and price. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > Just to put things into perspective, the reports I've heard from two > > > people who have actually HEARD the Rockport in half-decent systems > > > suggest that the table does some things very well, but that > the sound is > > > VERY analytical. One of them preferred the Verdier table with an SME > > > 3012-R arm (and bought one), while the other actually preferred one of > > > Rockport's own less expensive tables. > > > > > > - Joe > > > > > > On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 18:00:55 -0400 "Warren" > > > writes: > > > > To be honest I almost re-mortgaged the house and bought > > > > the rockport. Its expensive but does make all other tables sound > > > > shall we say less good. > > > > Sadly for Rockport and not me there isn't much of a markup in that > > > > price. > > > > > > > > As for the than the Audio Note Kondo I-J/Silver cartridge, at a mere > > > > $15,000, > > > > doesn't it need an even more expensive step up? > > > > and as for the Boulder 2008 phono stage ($29,000). I have never > > > > heard this > > > > level of boulder stuff but they have sold 10 !!!! of the phono > > > > stages so far which > > > > I guess go with the $30,000 line stage the $30,000 Dac and the > > > > $60,000 amps > > > > how they get those prices is beyond me > > > > Warren > > > > > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > > Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > > --------========= > > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------== > ======= > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette > Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========---------------------------------------------------------- > --------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Sun Sep 22 04:42:59 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 22:42:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West References: <200209212248.AAA20536@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001501c261e1$d5fa9420$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:56 -0400, josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > That's exactly what frightens me. Most of them use Krell amplification > and Clearaudio cartridges. :) I didn't miss the smiley face, but... What exactly is wrong with Krell amplification, unless you happen to prefer the sound of tubes? I've heard quite a few solid state amps and find the Krells hard to fault. I currently own 3 Krell amps (KAV series) that are used in my home theater system which doubles as my audio system. I've owned Adcom, B&K, and Krell amps (FPB and KAV series), and have auditioned (some simply for curiosity as budget limits do apply) Aragon, Rotel, Krell (FPB and KAV series) Mark Levinson, Spectral, Boulder, and others, including a few tube amps (I just don't want the added hassle of dealing with tubes). Krell seems to be a name that people are often passionate about one way or the other. If you criticized their surround sound processors, I'd be right there with you. But power amps are something they do very, very well. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 22 05:04:15 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:04:15 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <099701c261e4$bc827820$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Targowski" > However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws or high tech > horse carts. oddly enough they are developing new rickshaws in India. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From josephj69 at juno.com Sun Sep 22 05:21:41 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:21:41 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <20020921.232141.-326089.1.josephj69@juno.com> Hey Geoffrey, > I didn't miss the smiley face, but... > > What exactly is wrong with Krell amplification I probably should not have picked on a single brand. I used that as an example of people who go out and buy the most expensive gear they can find under the misguided notion that "more expensive always means better sound." That is rarely true. In fact, I have a Krell preamp myself (well, actually, Stephen has it in for repair). It's a 10 year old model and I bought it primarily for the phono stage. It's not as good as I was led to believe, but the price was very low. It's certainly better than their current phono stages - which also dispels that other audio myth: "newer always means better sound." Most people have a problem with Krell because it's virtually impossible to justify the prices. The best solid state I've heard so far was from older Threshold amplifiers. I recently heard a BAT amp that was very good. The fact that you have a surround system also shows that you and I have very different audio goals. What may be suitable for my needs may not suit yours. - Joe ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jvolpatti at earthlink.net Sun Sep 22 05:32:35 2002 From: jvolpatti at earthlink.net (Jim Volpatti) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:32:35 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West References: <200209212248.AAA20536@zebra.naks.com> <001501c261e1$d5fa9420$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D8D39D2.FC47DD88@earthlink.net> hmmmm I'm staying out of this one. = ) Most of you know where I stand on the brands mentioned here anyway. Jim Volpatti greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:56 -0400, josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > That's exactly what frightens me. Most of them use Krell amplification > > and Clearaudio cartridges. :) > > I didn't miss the smiley face, but... > > What exactly is wrong with Krell amplification, unless you happen to prefer > the sound of tubes? I've heard quite a few solid state amps and find the > Krells hard to fault. I currently own 3 Krell amps (KAV series) that are > used in my home theater system which doubles as my audio system. I've owned > Adcom, B&K, and Krell amps (FPB and KAV series), and have auditioned (some > simply for curiosity as budget limits do apply) Aragon, Rotel, Krell (FPB > and KAV series) Mark Levinson, Spectral, Boulder, and others, including a > few tube amps (I just don't want the added hassle of dealing with tubes). > Krell seems to be a name that people are often passionate about one way or > the other. If you criticized their surround sound processors, I'd be right > there with you. But power amps are something they do very, very well. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 22 07:25:44 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:25:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> Message-ID: <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Warren, > > If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > a moot point for me. Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also spindle wear .... > > As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to try soemthing before you comment on it. -- if > you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly centering a record is it? > Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > issue of LP eccentricity? actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > when LPs were a major program source)? Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. Have a good weekend too next week its cables and caps :-) Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 22 07:35:57 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 01:35:57 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <3D8CD543.7A9056E2@rcn.com> Message-ID: <0ab201c261f9$ed9dfbe0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Here in the good ol' US of A, during 2000, cassettes sold to > the tune of $626M (million) plus $142.7M for cassette > singles, while LPs *plus* EPs managed a mere $2.2M. IOW, > vinyl is an endangered species, if not a dying breed. Statistics are fun aren't they. From the above I would indeed say vinyl is on its way out. problem is there are more good to great turntables available now than at any other time. Stereophile lists 28 different phonostages and I can think of another 10 or 12. The number one selling item at restoration hardware is a record player. Last time I spoke to Raskin at the Needle Doctor he said sales of tables and carts were up. Other than classical almost every popular cd is available on vinyl. The dj market is strong. and lest we forget, in the USA the installed base of turntables is still higher than cd players. and none of those stats include the huge number of used record sales ocurring as we speak on ebay and in stores around the world. I can only hope my death is as slow as that of the vinyl record. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Bleus Madison, Wisc USA blueswapper at angelfire.com --- Help keep the Blues and Nakamichi gear alive!!!! http://www.angelfire.com/wi/blueswapper/bluesnak99.html Is your boss reading your email? ....Probably Keep your messages private by using Lycos Mail. Sign up today at http://mail.lycos.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 22 08:14:47 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 23:14:47 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <0ab201c261f9$ed9dfbe0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: Don't forget Dr Lirpa's fabulous turntable; I read once that it had an arm that could track the Grand Canyon. One of many simply "out of this world" products from The Man hisself. Anybody interested in these products should send me money; lots of it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 10:36 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Here in the good ol' US of A, during 2000, cassettes sold to > the tune of $626M (million) plus $142.7M for cassette > singles, while LPs *plus* EPs managed a mere $2.2M. IOW, > vinyl is an endangered species, if not a dying breed. Statistics are fun aren't they. From the above I would indeed say vinyl is on its way out. problem is there are more good to great turntables available now than at any other time. Stereophile lists 28 different phonostages and I can think of another 10 or 12. The number one selling item at restoration hardware is a record player. Last time I spoke to Raskin at the Needle Doctor he said sales of tables and carts were up. Other than classical almost every popular cd is available on vinyl. The dj market is strong. and lest we forget, in the USA the installed base of turntables is still higher than cd players. and none of those stats include the huge number of used record sales ocurring as we speak on ebay and in stores around the world. I can only hope my death is as slow as that of the vinyl record. Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:42:29 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:42:29 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Krell In-Reply-To: <001501c261e1$d5fa9420$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <002701c26213$fc7c4b20$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> Sometime ago I went to the Hi Fi exhibition in Manchester (that's the one in the UK!) Whilst there I heard many different amps. To my delight, I did manage to hear two systems that used identical front end but different amps and speakers. The amps of one system were Krell and the other, Chord. Frankly, I was rather disappointed when I heard the Krell set-up. It's difficult to put a finger on why except to say I found the listening was a bit uncomfortable, as if the system was shouting at me. The impression also was as if I were listening to a band that was performing using a sound system. In contrast, the Chord set up was much easier on the ear. There didn't s eem to be any "sound system" between me and the performance - it was as if I were listening to the drummer right there, in that room, at that moment. It was the most thrilling experience of the day, like I was listening to a live gig with the band playing in the room where I was standing. Of course, the speakers may have been responsible for the difference I heard .... but it's a subjective thing anyway! However, even since I have promised myself that when I win the lotto I'll treat myself to a set of Chord amps ... tho' I may audition a set of Stephen's before I make that final commitment! (Incidentally, and I expect Ron will smile at this, the ONLY other set up I heard at the Exhibition that I liked the sound of was one centred around a £400 integrated amp, a £400 CD player and £200 pair of speakers ... I forget which makes, but this little set up, put together by one of the journo's from Hi Fi News & Review, was probably the cheapest in the entire exhibition ... yet, to my ear, it licked all the others except the Chord.) Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > greynolds at newsguy.com > Sent: 22 September 2002 03:43 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West > > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:56 -0400, josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > That's exactly what frightens me. Most of them use Krell amplification > > and Clearaudio cartridges. :) > > I didn't miss the smiley face, but... > > What exactly is wrong with Krell amplification, unless you happen > to prefer > the sound of tubes? I've heard quite a few solid state amps and find the > Krells hard to fault. I currently own 3 Krell amps (KAV series) that are > used in my home theater system which doubles as my audio system. > I've owned > Adcom, B&K, and Krell amps (FPB and KAV series), and have auditioned (some > simply for curiosity as budget limits do apply) Aragon, Rotel, Krell (FPB > and KAV series) Mark Levinson, Spectral, Boulder, and others, including a > few tube amps (I just don't want the added hassle of dealing with tubes). > Krell seems to be a name that people are often passionate about one way or > the other. If you criticized their surround sound processors, > I'd be right > there with you. But power amps are something they do very, very well. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:42:32 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:42:32 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <099701c261e4$bc827820$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <002801c26213$fdfcd0a0$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> And there is a UK company developing a new steam-powered locomotive engine that may be the next generation on our railways ... Seriously. Using modern engineering techniques and an oil-fired boiler, apparently the design promises a much more efficient burn of fuel than any other loco's in service, with virtually no carbon emissions. Gra' > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > Warren > Sent: 22 September 2002 04:04 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Targowski" > > However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws > or high tech > > horse carts. > > oddly enough they are developing new rickshaws in India. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 22 10:46:48 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:46:48 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron, fellow Naktalkers, (My turn) I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got *exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with a new one. My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. It does not matter how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less critical pieces of equipment. There is a very complex and poorly understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human auditory system! Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should have produced. The classic example of the failure of standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to characterise the performance of an audio reproduction system for a human listener. So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. You don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be changed or replaced. John Walker Warren wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ron" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > >>Warren, >> >>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>a moot point for me. >> >> > >Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >spindle wear .... > > >>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >> >> >even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >try soemthing before you comment on it. > >-- if > > >>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >> >> > >Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >centering a record is it? > > > >>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>issue of LP eccentricity? >> >> > >actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > > >>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>when LPs were a major program source)? >> >> > >Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >Have a good weekend too >next week its cables and caps :-) >Warren > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 22 11:07:59 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 05:07:59 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: Message-ID: <0b6f01c26217$8c6cb6e0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> the lirpa came in two versions with and without the kitchen sink. without the sink was more expensive. It was a really cool table. with its circular saw blade for a stylus. The one thing I really miss about Audio was searching through the october issue for the lirpa labs equipment. my favorite was the preamp available with or without soundstage. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Don't forget Dr Lirpa's fabulous turntable; I read once that it had an arm > that could track the Grand Canyon. One of many simply "out of this world" > products from The Man hisself. Anybody interested in these products should > send me money; lots of it. > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Sun Sep 22 13:51:12 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:51:12 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] ot: ebay stuff Message-ID: <000f01c2622e$59f15100$b4299bca@smarzuki> just wondering where he found all these goodies! buried treasure? old lady who pay you $100 to get rid of late husband's junks? http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=carwe ek&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25 cheers, salim sm ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 22 15:51:10 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:51:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D8DCACE.1193EF7F@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > There is also spindle wear .... IME, I can't recall a single worn center hole -- at least, not on vinyl LPs :-). >> ...you were told that spreading apricot jam on your >> LPs improved the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would >> you actually try it out? > > Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > centering a record is it? Exactly the same. We are not talking about 'properly centering a record', but about centering a record that already sounds correctly centered (like, all of mine). You are telling me that I need to listen to it to verify that recentering that record will still make an improvement. Engineering wise, I can exactly calculate the maximum eccentricity of that record (and show that it's next to nil), while I doubt anyone can calculate the sweetening effect of apricot jam. >> ... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >> other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >> issue of LP eccentricity? > actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) I didn't know that. Can you reveal who else sold a centering TT and how many units actually sold? >> And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >> huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in >> an era when LPs were a major program source)? > > Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. True, but the Nak Dragon didn't sell one tenth as well as, say, the Garrard 301 or 401. ----------- Oh, well, we could go on and on about this forever. I trust I won't be able to convince you and know the reverse is also true. Mostly, because I don't accept your measurement methodology (using human ears) and you do not seem to understand mine (using math, technical knowledge base and electronic measurements). By that I do not mean to belittle your stance -- just to point the basic (unbridgeable ) difference.. Let's agree to disagree. Regards, -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From vzimakov at mtu-net.ru Sun Sep 22 16:18:00 2002 From: vzimakov at mtu-net.ru (Vladimir) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 18:18:00 +0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Krell In-Reply-To: <002701c26213$fc7c4b20$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> References: <002701c26213$fc7c4b20$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <9762.020922@mtu-net.ru> Hello Graham, May I add a few words??? I've owned Naks (4xx,6xx, 5,7 amps),ADCOM (555/565), KRELL (KRC-2/KSA-100s) and various speakers Tannoy D-700, Alon-II, Celestion 300, KEF 103-4, KEF 101-2, KEF UniQ 80 and 90 , and I've bought KRELL due to Class-A Recomendation in Stereophile. So stupid I was! This is absolutely DEAD but extremly powerfull AMP built like a TANK indeed! KRELL is a beautiful piece of engeniering and metall work and my APOLLO's glass was broken by its weight (-:. But all the time i tried to listen to music with it, I only listened to rough and dirty sounds "from the DARK side" but no music, no emotion, no LIFE. I think also that it's true, that several schools exists - American, English, French, German etc. Krell belongs to Americans 100%. Drive - Power - Rhytm. Ideal pair for a lot of American loudspeakers. Listening to American products, I found out that they produce much more power, much more BASS than needed. BASS is not controlled enough but is deep. So omly KRELL like amps can drive such speakers. All of these is due to typical american house with its acoustics and big rooms, which eats LF. Europeans live in another surroundings and they need another equipment. Regards, Vladimir. âîñêðåñåíüå, 22 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: GN> Sometime ago I went to the Hi Fi exhibition in Manchester (that's the one in GN> the UK!) Whilst there I heard many different amps. To my delight, I did GN> manage to hear two systems that used identical front end but different amps GN> and speakers. The amps of one system were Krell and the other, Chord. GN> Frankly, I was rather disappointed when I heard the Krell set-up. It's GN> difficult to put a finger on why except to say I found the listening was a GN> bit uncomfortable, as if the system was shouting at me. The impression also GN> was as if I were listening to a band that was performing using a sound GN> system. In contrast, the Chord set up was much easier on the ear. There GN> didn't s eem to be any "sound system" between me and the performance - it GN> was as if I were listening to the drummer right there, in that room, at that GN> moment. It was the most thrilling experience of the day, like I was GN> listening to a live gig with the band playing in the room where I was GN> standing. Of course, the speakers may have been responsible for the GN> difference I heard .... but it's a subjective thing anyway! However, even GN> since I have promised myself that when I win the lotto I'll treat myself to GN> a set of Chord amps ... tho' I may audition a set of Stephen's before I GN> make that final commitment! GN> (Incidentally, and I expect Ron will smile at this, the ONLY other set up I GN> heard at the Exhibition that I liked the sound of was one centred around a GN> £400 integrated amp, a £400 CD player and £200 pair of speakers ... I forget GN> which makes, but this little set up, put together by one of the journo's GN> from Hi Fi News & Review, was probably the cheapest in the entire exhibition GN> ... yet, to my ear, it licked all the others except the Chord.) GN> Gra' >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >> greynolds at newsguy.com >> Sent: 22 September 2002 03:43 >> To: naktalk at naks.com >> Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West >> >> >> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:56 -0400, josephj69 at juno.com wrote: >> >> > That's exactly what frightens me. Most of them use Krell amplification >> > and Clearaudio cartridges. :) >> >> I didn't miss the smiley face, but... >> >> What exactly is wrong with Krell amplification, unless you happen >> to prefer >> the sound of tubes? I've heard quite a few solid state amps and find the >> Krells hard to fault. I currently own 3 Krell amps (KAV series) that are >> used in my home theater system which doubles as my audio system. >> I've owned >> Adcom, B&K, and Krell amps (FPB and KAV series), and have auditioned (some >> simply for curiosity as budget limits do apply) Aragon, Rotel, Krell (FPB >> and KAV series) Mark Levinson, Spectral, Boulder, and others, including a >> few tube amps (I just don't want the added hassle of dealing with tubes). >> Krell seems to be a name that people are often passionate about one way or >> the other. If you criticized their surround sound processors, >> I'd be right >> there with you. But power amps are something they do very, very well. >> -- >> Geoffrey Reynolds >> GN> --- GN> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. GN> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). GN> Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= GN> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. GN> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html GN> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Sun Sep 22 17:24:27 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:24:27 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West References: <200209212248.AAA20536@zebra.naks.com> <001501c261e1$d5fa9420$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <002601c2624c$27787f00$a31f2ac4@CopyTech> But power amps are something they do very, very well. > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > Agree with you Geoff, they are big leaguers and one of the most succesful high end manufacturers in the market. Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 22 16:38:11 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:38:11 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Krell References: <002701c26213$fc7c4b20$1ea4193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D8DD5D3.A97C6B18@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > Sometime ago I went to the Hi Fi exhibition in Manchester (that's the one in > the UK!) Whilst there I heard many different amps. To my delight, I did > manage to hear two systems that used identical front end but different amps > and speakers. The amps of one system were Krell and the other, Chord. > Frankly, I was rather disappointed when I heard the Krell set-up. It's > difficult to put a finger on why except to say I found the listening was a > bit uncomfortable, as if the system was shouting at me. The impression also > was as if I were listening to a band that was performing using a sound > system. In contrast, the Chord set up was much easier on the ear. There > didn't s eem to be any "sound system" between me and the performance - it > was as if I were listening to the drummer right there, in that room, at that > moment. It was the most thrilling experience of the day, like I was > listening to a live gig with the band playing in the room where I was > standing. Of course, the speakers may have been responsible for the > difference I heard .... but it's a subjective thing anyway! However, even > since I have promised myself that when I win the lotto I'll treat myself to > a set of Chord amps ... tho' I may audition a set of Stephen's before I > make that final commitment! Could be the real difference between the two systems was in the listening venue acoustics. Before arriving at my current speaker choice (Aerial Acoustics 10T), I listened to them in several locations, with different driving electronics. In one place, a Krell 200W amp; in another, a Classe; in a third, a Bryston. Against these, my own (at the time) 120W Denon. The Denon didn't have the oomph to drive the 10Ts and sounded strained (though, when driving B&W 801s, it was quite similar to either the Krell or the Bryston). The Classe was a bit more 'tube like' -- warmer. The Krell and Bryston, analytical and 'accurate' (I thought the Bryston sounded marginally cleaner and more open than the Krell -- don't know why, this is not reflected in the published specs.). These differences were minute and elusive. Bottom line , I could live with any of these amps quite happily. The differences could have been due to differences in the Speakers (all 10Ts) or rooms, or even source equipment. This exercise resulted in my getting rid of the Denon amps. I wound up getting Aragon 8008 amps. Timberally, a cross between the Classe and Bryston (analytical, yet with just a hint of warmth). If restricted to the amps mentioned above, I would probably go with the Bryston, than Krell, than the Classe. I wound up with the Aragon amps because I got a better deal on them... > (Incidentally, and I expect Ron will smile at this, the ONLY other set up I > heard at the Exhibition that I liked the sound of was one centred around a > £400 integrated amp, a £400 CD player and £200 pair of speakers ... This reminds me of a DBT ran by Stereo Review a long time ago. The upshot was, a $200 Pioneer receiver was indistinguishable from a $12,000 Futterman 3 piece power amp... The panel included a number of well known Believers. One reader wrote to the editor and canceled his subscription... This was my first glimpse into the Subjectivist frame of mind. -- Ron > [....] > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > greynolds at newsguy.com > > Sent: 22 September 2002 03:43 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 18:15:56 -0400, josephj69 at juno.com wrote: > > > > > That's exactly what frightens me. Most of them use Krell amplification > > > and Clearaudio cartridges. :) > > > > I didn't miss the smiley face, but... > > > > What exactly is wrong with Krell amplification, unless you happen > > to prefer > > the sound of tubes? I've heard quite a few solid state amps and find the > > Krells hard to fault. I currently own 3 Krell amps (KAV series) that are > > used in my home theater system which doubles as my audio system. > > I've owned > > Adcom, B&K, and Krell amps (FPB and KAV series), and have auditioned (some > > simply for curiosity as budget limits do apply) Aragon, Rotel, Krell (FPB > > and KAV series) Mark Levinson, Spectral, Boulder, and others, including a > > few tube amps (I just don't want the added hassle of dealing with tubes). > > Krell seems to be a name that people are often passionate about one way or > > the other. If you criticized their surround sound processors, > > I'd be right > > there with you. But power amps are something they do very, very well. > > -- > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Sun Sep 22 16:47:52 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 07:47:52 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <0b6f01c26217$8c6cb6e0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: There was an optional soundstage? Damn. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Warren Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 2:08 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West the lirpa came in two versions with and without the kitchen sink. without the sink was more expensive. It was a really cool table. with its circular saw blade for a stylus. The one thing I really miss about Audio was searching through the october issue for the lirpa labs equipment. my favorite was the preamp available with or without soundstage. Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl C" To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Don't forget Dr Lirpa's fabulous turntable; I read once that it had an arm > that could track the Grand Canyon. One of many simply "out of this world" > products from The Man hisself. Anybody interested in these products should > send me money; lots of it. > Carl ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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LOL Jim Volpatti El Magnifico wrote: > But power amps are something they do very, very well. > > -- > > Geoffrey Reynolds > > > Agree with you Geoff, they are big leaguers and one of the most succesful > high end manufacturers in the market. > > Carlos ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Kevin Rogers > Let's agree to disagree. > > Regards, > > -- Ron > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From fredmoss at totalise.co.uk Mon Sep 23 00:23:46 2002 From: fredmoss at totalise.co.uk (FRED MOSS) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:23:46 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <3D925467@mail.totalise.co.uk> >At least 40% of my Lp`s are off centre and it`s usually audible. Fred ===== Original Message From Ron ===== >Warren wrote: > >> There is also spindle wear .... > >IME, I can't recall a single worn center hole -- at least, >not on vinyl LPs :-). > >>> ...you were told that spreading apricot jam on your >>> LPs improved the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would >>> you actually try it out? >> >> Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >> centering a record is it? > >Exactly the same. > >We are not talking about 'properly centering a record', but >about centering a record that already sounds correctly >centered (like, all of mine). > >You are telling me that I need to listen to it to verify that >recentering that record will still make an improvement. >Engineering wise, I can exactly calculate the maximum >eccentricity of that record (and show that it's next to nil), >while I doubt anyone can calculate the sweetening effect >of apricot jam. > >>> ... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>> other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>> issue of LP eccentricity? > >> actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >I didn't know that. Can you reveal who else sold a centering >TT and how many units actually sold? > >>> And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>> huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in >>> an era when LPs were a major program source)? >> >> Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >> high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >True, but the Nak Dragon didn't sell one tenth as well as, >say, the Garrard 301 or 401. > >----------- > >Oh, well, we could go on and on about this forever. I trust >I won't be able to convince you and know the reverse is also >true. Mostly, because I don't accept your measurement >methodology (using human ears) and you do not seem to >understand mine (using math, technical knowledge base and >electronic measurements). By that I do not mean to belittle >your stance -- just to point the basic (unbridgeable ) difference.. >Let's agree to disagree. > >Regards, > >-- Ron > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ====== Totalise - the Users ISP ---------------------- To become a member and a shareholder visit http://www.totalise.net ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Sep 23 02:42:47 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:42:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Krell References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:42:29 +0100, "Graham Nelson" wrote: > Sometime ago I went to the Hi Fi exhibition in Manchester (that's the one in > the UK!) Whilst there I heard many different amps. To my delight, I did > manage to hear two systems that used identical front end but different amps > and speakers. The amps of one system were Krell and the other, Chord. > Frankly, I was rather disappointed when I heard the Krell set-up. With different speakers, it's absolutely impossible to determine if the speakers or amps were the source of your dislike of one system or the other. I would expect that the acoustical environment was also somewhat different for the 2 systems. It isn't even remotely reasonable to blame Krell for the difference (good or bad) when there were other factors involved. IMHO, the different speakers will have far more impact on the sound quality than the different amps, as I have yet to hear a night and day difference between amps with otherwise identical systems. I have no problem at all if someone prefers electronics other than Krell. Buy what sounds best to you and fits your budget. Personally, I would NEVER (unless things change drastically) consider a surround sound processor from Krell - it is definitely not their forte. In case people are curious what the rest of my system is like, here's a list of the key pieces of my system: Lexicon MC-12B Surround Sound Processor Krell KAV-250a series amps (1 2 channel and 2 3 channel) B&W Matrix 802 Series 3 (front left/right) B&W Matrix HTM (center) B&W Matrix 804 (side and rear left/right) Velodyne HGS-18 subwoofer Mark Levinson No. 37 CD transport Mark Levinson No. 36 DAC [Nakamichi Content] Nakamichi CR-3A Nakamichi CR-7A [/Nakamichi Content] Faroudja NRS video processor Mitsubishi WS-65909 RPTV Sony DVD Player Ultimate TV Pioneer turntable Crestron equipment to control everything etc. Space constraints force me to have a combined music and movie system, so some compromises for each have to be made. However, with the exception of my turntable being nothing even remotely special, my system sounds pretty darn good for both music (2 channel or surround, depending on my mood and what I'm listening to) and movies. Short and long term goals include adding a 2 channel preamp with a passthrough input for the surround sound processor (though the MC-12 has a very good analog bypass circuit), upgrading the turntable, upgrading the DVD player, and improving the room acoustics (probably the best gain of all, IMO). -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Mon Sep 23 06:10:50 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:10:50 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Krell References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <001901c262b7$3768d6b0$301f2ac4@CopyTech> Impressive system, Geoff ! I have a pair of Matrix 802 Series 2 for sale. Excellent speakers. The former owner re-wired it with Cardas and switch all those mexican caps (nothing against Mexico, ok ) by some Solen and Black something I can't recall at this time. Where can I find a replacement tweeter for them ? Best, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 7:42 PM Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Krell > On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 09:42:29 +0100, "Graham Nelson" > wrote: > > > Sometime ago I went to the Hi Fi exhibition in Manchester (that's the one > in > > the UK!) Whilst there I heard many different amps. To my delight, I did > > manage to hear two systems that used identical front end but different > amps > > and speakers. The amps of one system were Krell and the other, Chord. > > Frankly, I was rather disappointed when I heard the Krell set-up. > > With different speakers, it's absolutely impossible to determine if the > speakers or amps were the source of your dislike of one system or the other. > I would expect that the acoustical environment was also somewhat different > for the 2 systems. It isn't even remotely reasonable to blame Krell for the > difference (good or bad) when there were other factors involved. IMHO, the > different speakers will have far more impact on the sound quality than the > different amps, as I have yet to hear a night and day difference between > amps with otherwise identical systems. > > I have no problem at all if someone prefers electronics other than Krell. > Buy what sounds best to you and fits your budget. Personally, I would NEVER > (unless things change drastically) consider a surround sound processor from > Krell - it is definitely not their forte. In case people are curious what > the rest of my system is like, here's a list of the key pieces of my system: > > Lexicon MC-12B Surround Sound Processor > Krell KAV-250a series amps (1 2 channel and 2 3 channel) > B&W Matrix 802 Series 3 (front left/right) > B&W Matrix HTM (center) > B&W Matrix 804 (side and rear left/right) > Velodyne HGS-18 subwoofer > Mark Levinson No. 37 CD transport > Mark Levinson No. 36 DAC > [Nakamichi Content] > Nakamichi CR-3A > Nakamichi CR-7A > [/Nakamichi Content] > Faroudja NRS video processor > Mitsubishi WS-65909 RPTV > Sony DVD Player > Ultimate TV > Pioneer turntable > Crestron equipment to control everything > etc. > > Space constraints force me to have a combined music and movie system, so > some compromises for each have to be made. However, with the exception of > my turntable being nothing even remotely special, my system sounds pretty > darn good for both music (2 channel or surround, depending on my mood and > what I'm listening to) and movies. Short and long term goals include adding > a 2 channel preamp with a passthrough input for the surround sound processor > (though the MC-12 has a very good analog bypass circuit), upgrading the > turntable, upgrading the DVD player, and improving the room acoustics > (probably the best gain of all, IMO). > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 23 21:06:44 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:06:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <3D8F6644.912AFF96@rcn.com> greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > [.......] > > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > Geoffrey, I read your web site and the write-up with great interest and would like to share some thoughts. Nomenclature: I use 'discrete codes' to refer to codes that always result in the same response, regardless of history. I use 'hidden codes' to refer to codes that are not represented on the manufacturer remote control. The lack of discrete codes is the downfall of universal remote controls. Manufacturers like Toshiba simply have next to none. Others have some, but not enough to make macros useful enough. I am using a Marantz RC-5000i to replace 13 OEM remotes. Macros look like help files and take quite a few panels. For example, the PLAY DVD macro 1st panel says, 'Is TV on?', the 2nd one says, 'Is preamp on?' and so on. My wife can drive this macro, but is not too happy about it. It has occurred to me that lack of discrete codes could be fully and universally solved within the remote, by: first, allowing the user to set variables and, second, by the addition of 6 internal commands. This is by no means a huge effort, provided source of the current application is available. Your web site led me to believe that you may have access to the required tools and data. I'll be happy to chat about this, if it's of interest to you. I append a text file that further describes the idea. Regards, --- Ron -------------- next part -------------- Use 1. Allow for setting variables. A variable will be defined in the remote control by name, current value, lowest value and highest value. Two flags will define rollover behaviour of the variable when current value equals lowest and highest value, respectively. 2. Define 6 new commands, as follows: DEF L[R] H[R] Define a variable , of lowest value L and highest value H. Initialize to L. Decrementing a variable that is already equal to L does not change it, unless L value was defined with optional R, in which case it will roll to its H value when decremented. Similar behavior with respect to incrementing a variable already equal to H. INC Increment variable . DEC Decrement variable . CMP V Compare value of to V. If equal, ignore. If not equal, skip the next action in the action list. SKIP N Skip the next N actions in the action list. Resume execution with the N+1 action in the list. END Abort execution of the action list. Example 1: Emulate discrete TV ON/OFF with a cyclical TV control. Add to remote initialization: DEF TVPower 0 1 ; Defines TVPower variable to assume ; value 0 (Off) or 1 (ON). Init to OFF. Turn TV ON macro: CHK TVPower 1 ; Check if TV is already ON END ; If so, do nothing INC TVPower ; It's OFF. Set variable to ON TV POWER ; Send Power IR command to TV Turn TV OFF macro: CHK TVPower 0 ; Check if TV is already OFF END ; If so, do nothing DEC TVPower ; It's ON. Set variable to OFF TV POWER ; Send Power IR command to TV Example 2: Emulate dicrete screen size commands: STD, TW, Full. Add to remote initialization: DEF Size 1R 3R ; Defines size variable. Value 1 (STD) ; 2 (TW) or 3 (Full). Init to STD. Set size to STD macro: Check Size 1 ; Check if size is already STD END ; If so, do nothing Check Size 2 ; Check if size is TW SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ INC Size ; Gotta be Full. Set Size Variable to STD | TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | END ; Done | DEC Size ; Set Size variable to STD <--------------+ TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to Full) TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to STD) Set size to TW macro: Check Size 2 ; Check if size is already TW END ; If so, do nothing Check Size 3 ; Check if size is Full SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ INC Size ; Gotta be STD. Set Size Variable to STD | TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | END ; Done | DEC Size ; Set Size variable to TW <--------------+ TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to STD) TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to TW) Set size to Full macro: Check Size 3 ; Check if size is already Full END ; If so, do nothing Check Size 1 ; Check if size is STD SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ INC Size ; Gotta be TW. Set Size Variable to Full | TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | END ; Done | DEC Size ; Set Size variable to Full <-------------+ TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to TW) TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to Full) From wtremain at bellsouth.net Mon Sep 23 21:48:14 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:48:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <3D8F6644.912AFF96@rcn.com> Message-ID: <015001c2633a$453bdfc0$21eb3fd0@oemcomputer> Hi Ron I assume this is a forward of private email. So entering late I have a question. how does the remote know if the tv is on? thanks Warren ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > [.......] > > > > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > > > Geoffrey, > > I read your web site and the write-up with great > interest and would like to share some thoughts. > > Nomenclature: I use 'discrete codes' to refer to > codes that always result in the same response, > regardless of history. I use 'hidden codes' to > refer to codes that are not represented on the > manufacturer remote control. > > The lack of discrete codes is the downfall of universal > remote controls. Manufacturers like Toshiba simply have > next to none. Others have some, but not enough to make > macros useful enough. > > I am using a Marantz RC-5000i to replace 13 OEM remotes. > Macros look like help files and take quite a few panels. > For example, the PLAY DVD macro 1st panel says, 'Is TV > on?', the 2nd one says, 'Is preamp on?' and so on. My > wife can drive this macro, but is not too happy about > it. > > It has occurred to me that lack of discrete codes could > be fully and universally solved within the remote, by: > first, allowing the user to set variables and, second, > by the addition of 6 internal commands. This is by no > means a huge effort, provided source of the current > application is available. > > Your web site led me to believe that you may have access > to the required tools and data. I'll be happy to chat > about this, if it's of interest to you. I append a text > file that further describes the idea. > > Regards, > > --- Ron -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Use > > 1. Allow for setting variables. A variable will be defined > in the remote control by name, current value, lowest value > and highest value. Two flags will define rollover behaviour > of the variable when current value equals lowest and > highest value, respectively. > > 2. Define 6 new commands, as follows: > > DEF L[R] H[R] > > Define a variable , of lowest value L and highest > value H. Initialize to L. > > Decrementing a variable that is already equal to L does > not change it, unless L value was defined with optional > R, in which case it will roll to its H value when > decremented. Similar behavior with respect to incrementing > a variable already equal to H. > > > INC > > Increment variable . > > > DEC > > Decrement variable . > > > CMP V > > Compare value of to V. If equal, ignore. If not equal, > skip the next action in the action list. > > > SKIP N > > Skip the next N actions in the action list. Resume execution > with the N+1 action in the list. > > > END > > Abort execution of the action list. > > > Example 1: Emulate discrete TV ON/OFF with a cyclical TV control. > > Add to remote initialization: > > DEF TVPower 0 1 ; Defines TVPower variable to assume > ; value 0 (Off) or 1 (ON). Init to OFF. > Turn TV ON macro: > > CHK TVPower 1 ; Check if TV is already ON > END ; If so, do nothing > INC TVPower ; It's OFF. Set variable to ON > TV POWER ; Send Power IR command to TV > > Turn TV OFF macro: > > CHK TVPower 0 ; Check if TV is already OFF > END ; If so, do nothing > DEC TVPower ; It's ON. Set variable to OFF > TV POWER ; Send Power IR command to TV > > > Example 2: Emulate dicrete screen size commands: STD, TW, Full. > > Add to remote initialization: > > DEF Size 1R 3R ; Defines size variable. Value 1 (STD) > ; 2 (TW) or 3 (Full). Init to STD. > > Set size to STD macro: > > Check Size 1 ; Check if size is already STD > END ; If so, do nothing > Check Size 2 ; Check if size is TW > SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ > INC Size ; Gotta be Full. Set Size Variable to STD | > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | > END ; Done | > DEC Size ; Set Size variable to STD <--------------+ > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to Full) > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to STD) > > Set size to TW macro: > > Check Size 2 ; Check if size is already TW > END ; If so, do nothing > Check Size 3 ; Check if size is Full > SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ > INC Size ; Gotta be STD. Set Size Variable to STD | > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | > END ; Done | > DEC Size ; Set Size variable to TW <--------------+ > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to STD) > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to TW) > > Set size to Full macro: > > Check Size 3 ; Check if size is already Full > END ; If so, do nothing > Check Size 1 ; Check if size is STD > SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ > INC Size ; Gotta be TW. Set Size Variable to Full | > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | > END ; Done | > DEC Size ; Set Size variable to Full <-------------+ > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to TW) > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to Full) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From kannan_s at vsnl.com Mon Sep 23 21:54:49 2002 From: kannan_s at vsnl.com (kannan_s at vsnl.com) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:24:49 +0530 (IST) Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: <20020923195449.0F23B1149F6@webmail.vsnl.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Sep 23 22:42:32 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:42:32 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Krell References: <200209231758.TAA03109@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <001601c26341$d0312160$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:10:50 -0500, "El Magnifico" wrote: > Impressive system, Geoff ! Thanks. I enjoy it quite a bit. > I have a pair of Matrix 802 Series 2 for sale. > Excellent speakers. The former owner re-wired it with Cardas and switch all > those mexican caps (nothing against Mexico, ok ) by some Solen and Black > something I can't recall at this time. Where can I find a replacement > tweeter for them ? Replacement parts, even for the Series 3 speakers may be a bit difficult to come by, but you could try contacting B&W customer service in the United States at: (978) 664 2870 I actually live about 15-20 minutes from this center, which was convenient when I wanted to buy a set of boxes for my 802's (I bought them used at a local dealer without boxes) - I actually got the last set of boxes they had. If you aren't in the US, I'd be happy to be the middle man in dealing with them if you can't find the parts elsewhere. Here's a link to their distributor list: http://www.bwspeakers.com/about/distributor/ -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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This is likely to be of extremely little interest to the rest of the NakTalk group, so I'll send you private email. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Sep 23 23:08:46 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:08:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2673 References: <200209231758.TAA03109@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <002001c26345$7a1b54e0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Ron, On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:06:44 -0400, you wrote: > I read your web site and the write-up with great > interest and would like to share some thoughts. > > Nomenclature: I use 'discrete codes' to refer to > codes that always result in the same response, > regardless of history. I use 'hidden codes' to > refer to codes that are not represented on the > manufacturer remote control. I agree, but the vast majority of people dealing with hidden commands lump everything into 'discrete codes.' By the same definition, discrete codes are almost always hidden too :). Most hidden commands are also discrete codes, as the toggle codes are almost always available on the remote that comes with the device (naturally, there are many exceptions to this). > The lack of discrete codes is the downfall of universal > remote controls. Manufacturers like Toshiba simply have > next to none. Others have some, but not enough to make > macros useful enough. > > I am using a Marantz RC-5000i to replace 13 OEM remotes. > Macros look like help files and take quite a few panels. > For example, the PLAY DVD macro 1st panel says, 'Is TV > on?', the 2nd one says, 'Is preamp on?' and so on. My > wife can drive this macro, but is not too happy about > it. Is it safe to assume that you're familiar with http://www.remotecentral.com? If not, make sure you visit and look for codes for your devices. Also, send me a list of your devices and I may be able to find you some codes from the Crestron library (I can convert the codes in both directions). > It has occurred to me that lack of discrete codes could > be fully and universally solved within the remote, by: > first, allowing the user to set variables and, second, > by the addition of 6 internal commands. This is by no > means a huge effort, provided source of the current > application is available. There are problems with simply setting variables, such as when a user comes along and hits the power button on a device, that will get the system out of sync. > Your web site led me to believe that you may have access > to the required tools and data. I'll be happy to chat > about this, if it's of interest to you. I append a text > file that further describes the idea. I'm afraid I don't have access to the tools and data that would be needed to implement this in a Pronto (meaning Philips/Marantz/other versions of the remote). I have access to the CCF file format, understand the Pronto learned code format, and have (with some help from a few other people) decoded Crestron's IR file format. Based on the history of the Pronto, I wouldn't expect them to ever add variables and the commands that would go with them to the firmware. The best way to implement discrete/hidden commands when they aren't available is through the use of sensors (or, better still, through RS-232 control when available). Unfortunately, this requires additional hardware beyond the Pronto remote, and is an area that the Crestron systems excel at, as they have the capability to interface with tons of external devices, including audio/video sensors, current sensors, etc. to determine when a device is on or off. One possible solution that falls into the somewhat affordable category is to combine a HomeVision controller (http://www.csi3.com/homevis2.htm) with sensors from SmartHome. See the following for more info: http://www.csi3.com/hv_prod.htm http://www.smarthome.com/1622.html http://www.smarthome.com/8012.html http://www.smarthome.com/8014.html http://www.smarthome.com/8015.html http://www.smarthome.com/8016.html http://www.smarthome.com/8013.html Other controllers, such as the Ocelot should be capable of working along with the SmartHome sensors too. As a bonus, you end up with X-10 control and the ability to control devices with serial ports. What you would do is come up with some IR codes that aren't used by any device in your system and program the controller of your choice to respond to them. The controller would then have logic to determine what state the d evice is in and act accordingly. I own a Crestron system, a HomeVision, and an original Pronto. I bought the Pronto as a tool to get discrete on/off commands into the Crestron system (combined with a Crestron IR learner borrowed from the dealer). After writing my Crestron IR driver tool, the Pronto is actually no longer needed. I now also own a Crestron IR learner that I bought used on ebay. Buying the Pronto was a lot cheaper than buying all the Crestron current/video sensors I would have otherwise needed. I use the HomeVision along with my Crestron system to handle X-10 control. -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 23 23:11:01 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:11:01 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <3D8F6644.912AFF96@rcn.com> <015001c2633a$453bdfc0$21eb3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D8F8365.25818A38@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > > Hi Ron > I assume this is a forward of private email. I should have thought to send this in private email. I apologize to any and all NakTalkers that couldn't care less about remotes. > So entering late I have a question. > how does the remote know if the tv is on? The remote knows, since it keeps the TV status in memory, in variable defined for the purpose. Once the physical TV status and the remote memory are synchronized, they should remain so indefinitely (since the remote always updates them concurrently), unless something happens (such as, someone turns the TV on though the power switch on the set). If that happens, the owner will manually resynchronize and admonish his wife severely (the kids will have caught on a long time ago and will never pose a problem). -- Ron > thanks > Warren > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:06 PM > Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls > > > > > greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > > > [.......] > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > > > > > > Geoffrey, > > > > I read your web site and the write-up with great > > interest and would like to share some thoughts. > > > > Nomenclature: I use 'discrete codes' to refer to > > codes that always result in the same response, > > regardless of history. I use 'hidden codes' to > > refer to codes that are not represented on the > > manufacturer remote control. > > > > The lack of discrete codes is the downfall of universal > > remote controls. Manufacturers like Toshiba simply have > > next to none. Others have some, but not enough to make > > macros useful enough. > > > > I am using a Marantz RC-5000i to replace 13 OEM remotes. > > Macros look like help files and take quite a few panels. > > For example, the PLAY DVD macro 1st panel says, 'Is TV > > on?', the 2nd one says, 'Is preamp on?' and so on. My > > wife can drive this macro, but is not too happy about > > it. > > > > It has occurred to me that lack of discrete codes could > > be fully and universally solved within the remote, by: > > first, allowing the user to set variables and, second, > > by the addition of 6 internal commands. This is by no > > means a huge effort, provided source of the current > > application is available. > > > > Your web site led me to believe that you may have access > > to the required tools and data. I'll be happy to chat > > about this, if it's of interest to you. I append a text > > file that further describes the idea. > > > > Regards, > > > > --- Ron > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Use > > > > 1. Allow for setting variables. A variable will be defined > > in the remote control by name, current value, lowest value > > and highest value. Two flags will define rollover behaviour > > of the variable when current value equals lowest and > > highest value, respectively. > > > > 2. Define 6 new commands, as follows: > > > > DEF L[R] H[R] > > > > Define a variable , of lowest value L and highest > > value H. Initialize to L. > > > > Decrementing a variable that is already equal to L does > > not change it, unless L value was defined with optional > > R, in which case it will roll to its H value when > > decremented. Similar behavior with respect to incrementing > > a variable already equal to H. > > > > > > INC > > > > Increment variable . > > > > > > DEC > > > > Decrement variable . > > > > > > CMP V > > > > Compare value of to V. If equal, ignore. If not equal, > > skip the next action in the action list. > > > > > > SKIP N > > > > Skip the next N actions in the action list. Resume execution > > with the N+1 action in the list. > > > > > > END > > > > Abort execution of the action list. > > > > > > Example 1: Emulate discrete TV ON/OFF with a cyclical TV control. > > > > Add to remote initialization: > > > > DEF TVPower 0 1 ; Defines TVPower variable to assume > > ; value 0 (Off) or 1 (ON). Init to OFF. > > Turn TV ON macro: > > > > CHK TVPower 1 ; Check if TV is already ON > > END ; If so, do nothing > > INC TVPower ; It's OFF. Set variable to ON > > TV POWER ; Send Power IR command to TV > > > > Turn TV OFF macro: > > > > CHK TVPower 0 ; Check if TV is already OFF > > END ; If so, do nothing > > DEC TVPower ; It's ON. Set variable to OFF > > TV POWER ; Send Power IR command to TV > > > > > > Example 2: Emulate dicrete screen size commands: STD, TW, Full. > > > > Add to remote initialization: > > > > DEF Size 1R 3R ; Defines size variable. Value 1 (STD) > > ; 2 (TW) or 3 (Full). Init to STD. > > > > Set size to STD macro: > > > > Check Size 1 ; Check if size is already STD > > END ; If so, do nothing > > Check Size 2 ; Check if size is TW > > SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ > > INC Size ; Gotta be Full. Set Size Variable to STD | > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | > > END ; Done | > > DEC Size ; Set Size variable to STD <--------------+ > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to Full) > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to STD) > > > > Set size to TW macro: > > > > Check Size 2 ; Check if size is already TW > > END ; If so, do nothing > > Check Size 3 ; Check if size is Full > > SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ > > INC Size ; Gotta be STD. Set Size Variable to STD | > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | > > END ; Done | > > DEC Size ; Set Size variable to TW <--------------+ > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to STD) > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to TW) > > > > Set size to Full macro: > > > > Check Size 3 ; Check if size is already Full > > END ; If so, do nothing > > Check Size 1 ; Check if size is STD > > SKIP 3 ; If so, SKIP 3 actions ------------------+ > > INC Size ; Gotta be TW. Set Size Variable to Full | > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV | > > END ; Done | > > DEC Size ; Set Size variable to Full <-------------+ > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to TW) > > TV Size ; Send Size IR command to TV (go to Full) > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Mon Sep 23 23:24:28 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:24:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: naktalk-digest V2 #2673 References: <200209231956.VAA03749@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <004601c26347$ac16d300$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Sorry for blasting that last message to the list, I really did intend to send that remote control thread answer direct to Ron. I've sent him a copy of the message directly and will do my best to keep this topic off the list :). One of these days I'll learn how to use this email thing :(. Sorry again, -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Depart Thunderstruck ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 24 11:06:06 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:06:06 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <3D8F6644.912AFF96@rcn.com> <015001c2633a$453bdfc0$21eb3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8F8365.25818A38@rcn.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c263a9$9dd06ba0$54ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Ron wrote: (such as, someone turns > the TV on though the power switch on the set). If > that happens, the owner will manually resynchronize > and admonish his wife severely (the kids will have > caught on a long time ago and will never pose a > problem). HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-) I was hoping you had figured out away for the remote to quiz the tv itself before continuing the macro. Oddly enough on my RCA tv the batteries on the remote started to die. and while I was trying to use the remote the TV poped up a small screen that said "remote batteries low please change" I don't see why in this day and age where we can argue about turntables and Naks with people all over the world almost instantly that my TV can't tell my remote "I'm already on, go bother the dvd player" Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From wtremain at bellsouth.net Tue Sep 24 11:49:05 2002 From: wtremain at bellsouth.net (Warren) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 05:49:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020923195449.0F23B1149F6@webmail.vsnl.com> Message-ID: <00d401c263af$9f325de0$54ef3fd0@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Technology should help us build a high class TT which is very economical to buy - somewhere around, say 100 to 600 $ max and should sound wonderful rather than 100,000 $ -I can call such a design requiring ten thousands of dollars to produce " Sledge -hammer to crack a nut product". Not to belabor the point but just because you wish it to be true, it isn't going to happen. I can't think of any high class technology device that costs only $100.00 (unless its being subsidized) > > This is the precise reason ( Technology and manufacturing methods make it possible to sell an Audio product very economically)why DVD is becoming popular and CD had became de-facto Audio format! The reason that cd players and now dvd players are so cheap has nothing to do with audio. Both formats hardware costs are driven by the computer industry. And ease of use, lack of any need for setup other than plugging it in and a more than fair resistance to abuse are what made the cd so popular. > I cannot appreciate any Audio Prducts costing more than say few thousand Dollars Thats fine, but that doesn't imply that spending more won't get you a better quality product with higher quality sound reproduction. There are two kinds of snobs in the audio world those who think only the most expensive will do and those who think only the cheapest will do. Somewhere in between is reality. > I feel such a figure would be enough to sell a very good quality Audio product ( with a reasonable Profit in a short production run). lets look at that ,say your product retails for $2000.00 your dealer cost is 1200.00 the distributor takes 20% of wholesale so now you have $1000.00. lets say you can build it for $400.00 that includes parts the, box and some R and D costs. so you have $600.00 gross profit, out of which to pay your employees' who buiild the stuff, your rent, your insurance, phones etc. Plus a reserve to cover repairs. how many units do you have to sell a month to cover your bills? if you sell 50 a month you won't eat that year. 100 maybe. but even at 1200 units a year you only take in $720,000 figure 120,000 for rent and 10,000 for insurance, 5 employees at $30,000 a year add in healthcare benefits and workmens comp your share of the fica. Then your taxes, licences, your equipment lease, repairs, a reserve for when your distributer decides to go under or just keep your product and not pay for 180 days. maybe you net out 150,000 on retail sales of 2 million plus. not exactly a great return. But if you only sell 600 units don't forget those 5 employees still need their pay cheques each week and the rent and leases are the same. at that rate you maybe paying in and not taking out. Warren > Kannan > > > graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk wrote > And there is a UK company developing a new steam-powered locomotive engine > that may be the next generation on our railways ... Seriously. Using modern > engineering techniques and an oil-fired boiler, apparently the design > promises a much more efficient burn of fuel than any other loco's in > service, with virtually no carbon emissions. > > Gra' > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > Warren > > Sent: 22 September 2002 04:04 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Stan Targowski" > > > However, no one is spending millions developing new rickshaws > > or high tech > > > horse carts. > > > > oddly enough they are developing new rickshaws in India. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Tue Sep 24 17:48:19 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:48:19 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Remote controls References: <200209220732.JAA26790@zebra.naks.com> <003a01c2629a$373faa00$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> <3D8F6644.912AFF96@rcn.com> <015001c2633a$453bdfc0$21eb3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8F8365.25818A38@rcn.com> <00bf01c263a9$9dd06ba0$54ef3fd0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D908943.8DE192C6@rcn.com> Warren wrote: > > Ron wrote: > (such as, someone turns > > the TV on though the power switch on the set). If > > that happens, the owner will manually resynchronize > > and admonish his wife severely (the kids will have > > caught on a long time ago and will never pose a > > problem). > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :-) > > I was hoping you had figured out away for the remote to quiz the > tv itself before continuing the macro. That would be an overkill, won't it? I'd be quite happy if the TV could simply understand discrete commands; Like ON or OFF, rather than POWER. Of course, the limitation is not in the technology, but rather in the people that implemented it. > Oddly enough on my RCA tv the batteries on the remote started to die. > and while I was trying to use the remote the TV poped up a small screen > that said "remote batteries low please change". How neat... It probably senses signal frequency from the remote. Reminds me of cartoon, showing message from an electric oven: FOOD IS BURNED TO A CRISP. PLEASE SET SHORTER COOK PERIOD IN THE FUTURE. -- Ron > I don't see why in this day and age where we can argue about turntables > and Naks with people all over the world almost instantly that my TV can't tell > my remote "I'm already on, go bother the dvd player" > Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Wed Sep 25 07:06:37 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:06:37 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Thank you for the information Vladimir. It's a good read. Pity that reviewers have to "nit-pick" on anything, I thought that most of the features were layed out in a proper way. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Vladimir [mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 10:21 To: Thomas Siomopoulos Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 Hello Thomas, I owned Xk-S9000 and 7000 models. They are very similar. This deck is very impressive in design and operation, but in terms of sound quality good Nak is better. AIWA don't sound as dynamic as open and airy as Nakamichies. Sound is a little bit dissapointing in comparison with NAKs, but IMHO is much better then top line Pioneer units (CT-93 CT-91) and much closer to the NAK. Here is its review on my site http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/promo/other/aiwa/1.htm This page is quite big and slow for download so be patient. Regards, Vladimir. ÷åòâåðã, 19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: TS> Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... TS> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 TS> Regards TS> Tom Siomopoulos TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= TS> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TS> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= Best regards, Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mlhonradoj at 1stebank.com.ph Wed Sep 25 08:34:57 2002 From: mlhonradoj at 1stebank.com.ph (Corporate Communications) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:34:57 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier Message-ID: <001a01c2645e$97b85a60$8ffd10ac@mariano> Dear fellow Naksters: There is a Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier, brand new, sitting in a dealer's shelf. I've searched mightily with Google and other search engines but couldn't find any information on this machine. Does anyone have any experience with this amplifier? How would you rate it in a scale of 1 to 10? Is it worth the $230.00 asking price? I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. Mariano mariano at starnet.net.ph ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 25 10:15:01 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (smarzuki at indosat.net.id) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:15:01 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier Message-ID: <476601476c0a.476c0a476601@indosat.net.id> It's not 1A but IA ... found lot of hits on google but maybe not much useful info: www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=nakamichi+IA-3 Here's some info on Kohno's site: http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-amp.html IA-3s 1996 44800 Yen - Simple straight circuit, Full discrete construction, Rigid cabinet, 40w*2, 12A*2 For that price i think you can get AV-2s used (100wpc) or AV-3s (70wpc) which have more power compared to IA-3s. I'm happy with my AV-2s even for 2ch listening. Hope that helps, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Corporate Communications Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:34 pm Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier > Dear fellow Naksters: > > There is a Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier, brand new, sitting > in a > dealer's shelf. I've searched mightily with Google and other > search engines > but couldn't find any information on this machine. > > Does anyone have any experience with this amplifier? > > How would you rate it in a scale of 1 to 10? > > Is it worth the $230.00 asking price? > > I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. > > Mariano > > mariano at starnet.net.ph > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Wed Sep 25 11:28:34 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Master) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:28:34 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier References: <476601476c0a.476c0a476601@indosat.net.id> Message-ID: <3D9181C2.000001.02848@mariano> Many thanks Salim for your thoughtful advice. I will give it much consideration. Grateful for the response. Mariano -------Original Message------- From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:17:12 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier It's not 1A but IA ... found lot of hits on google but maybe not much useful info: www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=nakamichi+IA-3 Here's some info on Kohno's site: http://tron.um.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~kohno/nak-amp.html IA-3s 1996 44800 Yen - Simple straight circuit, Full discrete construction, Rigid cabinet, 40w*2, 12A*2 For that price i think you can get AV-2s used (100wpc) or AV-3s (70wpc) which have more power compared to IA-3s. I'm happy with my AV-2s even for 2ch listening. Hope that helps, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Corporate Communications Date: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:34 pm Subject: [naktalk] Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier > Dear fellow Naksters: > > There is a Nakamichi 1A-3 Integrated Amplifier, brand new, sitting > in a > dealer's shelf. I've searched mightily with Google and other > search engines > but couldn't find any information on this machine. > > Does anyone have any experience with this amplifier? > > How would you rate it in a scale of 1 to 10? > > Is it worth the $230.00 asking price? > > I would be grateful for any comments. Thank you. > > Mariano > > mariano at starnet.net.ph > ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------=== ===== . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From copytec at coqui.net Wed Sep 25 12:53:43 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 05:53:43 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 References: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C84@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Message-ID: <001201c26481$d4963dd0$821f2ac4@CopyTech> Tom: I received your tape. Nice selection & sound ! Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Siomopoulos" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 > Thank you for the information Vladimir. It's a good read. Pity that reviewers have to "nit-pick" on anything, I thought that most of the features were layed out in a proper way. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vladimir [mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] > Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 10:21 > To: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 > > > Hello Thomas, > > I owned Xk-S9000 and 7000 models. They are very similar. > > This deck is very impressive in design and operation, but in terms of > sound quality good Nak is better. AIWA don't sound as dynamic as open > and airy as Nakamichies. Sound is a little bit dissapointing in comparison with > NAKs, but IMHO is much better then top line Pioneer units (CT-93 CT-91) and > much closer to the NAK. > > Here is its review on my site > http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/promo/other/aiwa/1.htm > > This page is quite big and slow for download so be patient. > > Regards, Vladimir. > > ÷åòâåðã, 19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > TS> Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... > > TS> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 > > TS> Regards > > TS> Tom Siomopoulos > TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > TS> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TS> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Pity that reviewers have to "nit-pick" on anything, I thought that most of the features were layed out in a proper way. > > Regards Tom Siomopoulos. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vladimir [mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru] > Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 10:21 > To: Thomas Siomopoulos > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Aiwa tape deck XK-S7000 > > > Hello Thomas, > > I owned Xk-S9000 and 7000 models. They are very similar. > > This deck is very impressive in design and operation, but in terms of > sound quality good Nak is better. AIWA don't sound as dynamic as open > and airy as Nakamichies. Sound is a little bit dissapointing in comparison with > NAKs, but IMHO is much better then top line Pioneer units (CT-93 CT-91) and > much closer to the NAK. > > Here is its review on my site > http://nakspage.hotbox.ru/promo/other/aiwa/1.htm > > This page is quite big and slow for download so be patient. > > Regards, Vladimir. > > ÷åòâåðã, 19 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2002, you wrote to me: > > TS> Has anyone seen or know anything about this unit.... > > TS> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1382137623 > > TS> Regards > > TS> Tom Siomopoulos > TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > TS> naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TS> TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > TS> ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > > > > Best regards, > Vladimir mailto:vzimakov at mtu-net.ru > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 25 15:23:08 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:23:08 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > (My turn) > I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > > Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > *exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set in as speed approaches the speed of light. > Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > a new one. > > My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. Let me point out a few fallacies: The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' was used to design and build the equipment. The fact that it works as expected is proof that the theory is valid. The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube design' that you are talking about all became a reality through that same theory (electrical engineering). No new theory was used, just new marketing claims. There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from sincere listeners...', just a small group of people that possess an overactive imagination. Put the same people through a *valid* listening test and all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has been proved again and again and again. Why do you think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against valid DBTs? > It does not matter > how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > critical pieces of equipment. Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this myth. There are very few 'pieces of less critical equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory works' support scientific instrumentation, medical devices, save lives, put people into orbit around the earth and measure physical quantities too small for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of one millionth of a second), to name just a few. They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > There is a very complex and poorly > understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > auditory system! Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound field in your listening space that existed on the recording stage (or the closest approximation possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your room the same auditory sensation you would have perceived during the recording. If you hear a difference between two identical acoustical samples, than it certainly has nothing to do with the engineering theory, but with your subjective perception of sound. Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference between what you physically hear and what you think you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > have produced. The classic example of the failure of > standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > characterise the performance of an audio > reproduction system for a human listener. I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, is a function of the number of bits employed. It was deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only in the best of systems. > So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will somehow change notwithstanding. -- Ron > You > don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > changed or replaced. > > John Walker > > Warren wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Ron" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > > > >>Warren, > >> > >>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > >>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > >>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > >>a moot point for me. > >> > >> > > > >Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > >getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > >spindle wear .... > > > > > >>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > >> > >> > >even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > >try soemthing before you comment on it. > > > >-- if > > > > > >>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > >>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > >> > >> > > > >Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > >centering a record is it? > > > > > > > >>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > >>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > >>issue of LP eccentricity? > >> > >> > > > >actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > > > >And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > > > > > >>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > >>when LPs were a major program source)? > >> > >> > > > >Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > >high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > > > >Have a good weekend too > >next week its cables and caps :-) > >Warren > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Wed Sep 25 15:59:44 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (Geoffrey Reynolds) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 09:59:44 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Remote controls In-Reply-To: <200209250821.KAA12548@zebra.naks.com> References: <200209250821.KAA12548@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:21:30 +0200, you wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:48:19 -0400, Ron wrote: > >Warren wrote: >> >> I was hoping you had figured out away for the remote to quiz the >> tv itself before continuing the macro. > >That would be an overkill, won't it? I'd be quite happy if >the TV could simply understand discrete commands; Like ON >or OFF, rather than POWER. Of course, the limitation is not >in the technology, but rather in the people that implemented >it. Actually, in many cases it wouldn't be overkill. Many devices take a while to turn on and won't respond to IR commands until fully turned on. My Mitsubishi RPTV doesn't respond to IR commands for about 5-7 seconds when first turned on. If I have macros to "Watch DVD" and "Watch VCR" and decide to switch from one to the other while the system is already on, it would be nice if my macro could be smart enough to know that the TV is already on and skip delays that wait for the TV to power up. While your variable solution provides a way to do this, it is simply too easy for someone to use another remote or hit the front panel power button and get things out of sync. Real feedback is much more reliable. -- Geoffrey Reynolds ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bigbear69 at netzero.net Wed Sep 25 16:13:21 2002 From: bigbear69 at netzero.net (bigbear69) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:13:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Rock Band Intense Message-ID: <000701c2649d$b5b3d5a0$e64d3542@compaq> Catalog # 15262 (Tiger Records Inc.). Members of the band are Jesse, Pat, Scott, and Justin. Seems to be hard rock. Hope this helps, Thanks Joe! ----- Original Message ----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: bigbear69 at netzero.net Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Rock Band Intense Hey bigbear, Give me more information on this band Intense. Does the CD have a label and catalog number on it, or does it look like an independent release? Is there a photo of the band? Do they look like a "big hair" metal band? If so, I know they released a CD at least 10 years ago as an independent release. This could be a reissue of that CD. Have you played it? What is the style of the music? Let me know! - Joe On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:37:00 -0700 "bigbear69" writes: Has anyone heard of the rock band Intense. In other words are they popular and selling a lot of albums? Near work I actually found 10 new CD's in the dump all with broken cases. I figured I'll get some credit at the local CD trade-in store but don't know anything about this group. I noticed it's a 2001 CD. Some even have the retail price tag on them - $17.99. Sorry to bring this subject on Naktalk. I really have not been listening to any new studio recordings since the early 1980's. Long live the Doors, Pink Floyd, Stones, Beatles, etc. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From josephj69 at juno.com Wed Sep 25 16:43:23 2002 From: josephj69 at juno.com (josephj69 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:43:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Fw: Rock Band Intense Message-ID: <20020925.104406.-175539.1.josephj69@juno.com> Whatever it is, I'll take a copy. I collect indie release hard rock, melodic metal, AOR and similar stuff. If it's from 2001, it's either a reissue of the old disc, or a completely differernt band. I seriously doubt the same guys are still around - unless they look like they're in their late 40s in the photo! :) - Joe On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 07:13:21 -0700 "bigbear69" writes: Catalog # 15262 (Tiger Records Inc.). Members of the band are Jesse, Pat, Scott, and Justin. Seems to be hard rock. Hope this helps, Thanks Joe! ----- Original Message ----- From: josephj69 at juno.com To: bigbear69 at netzero.net Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Rock Band Intense Hey bigbear, Give me more information on this band Intense. Does the CD have a label and catalog number on it, or does it look like an independent release? Is there a photo of the band? Do they look like a "big hair" metal band? If so, I know they released a CD at least 10 years ago as an independent release. This could be a reissue of that CD. Have you played it? What is the style of the music? Let me know! - Joe On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 22:37:00 -0700 "bigbear69" writes: Has anyone heard of the rock band Intense. In other words are they popular and selling a lot of albums? Near work I actually found 10 new CD's in the dump all with broken cases. I figured I'll get some credit at the local CD trade-in store but don't know anything about this group. I noticed it's a 2001 CD. Some even have the retail price tag on them - $17.99. Sorry to bring this subject on Naktalk. I really have not been listening to any new studio recordings since the early 1980's. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 25 18:08:15 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:08:15 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] Mystery mechanisms for sale on English e-bay References: Message-ID: <001c01c264ad$c3006ce0$6a299bca@smarzuki> Just want to comment (if you plan to bid) that they're not double capstan. BTW they look Akai-ish. Cheers, Salim SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Hugo To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: [naktalk] Mystery mechanisms for sale on English e-bay Hi all There are two 3-head fully complete cassette deck transports for sale on the Brit e-bay. Does anyone know who may have manufactured these? The link is below: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1383225273 No bidding has happened yet - sellers starter at five (5) Pounds. Cheers, Marc ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 25 19:05:44 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:05:44 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus "wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > > (My turn) > > I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > > any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > > > > Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > > very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > > polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > > variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > > measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > > was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > > on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > > *exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > > earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > > other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > > this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > > accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > > underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > > with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > > result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > > special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > > work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > > increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > > To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > > Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > > proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > > this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > > good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > > experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > > a new one. > > > > My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > > listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > > cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > > equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > > Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > Let me point out a few fallacies: > > The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > that it works as expected is proof that the theory > is valid. > > The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > design' that you are talking about all became a > reality through that same theory (electrical > engineering). No new theory was used, just new > marketing claims. > > There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > same people through a *valid* listening test and > all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > been proved again and again and again. Why do you > think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > valid DBTs? > > > It does not matter > > how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > > critical pieces of equipment. > > Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > myth. > > There are very few 'pieces of less critical > equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > the earth and measure physical quantities too small > for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > > There is a very complex and poorly > > understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > > auditory system! > > Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > field in your listening space that existed on the > recording stage (or the closest approximation > possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > room the same auditory sensation you would have > perceived during the recording. If you hear a > difference between two identical acoustical samples, > than it certainly has nothing to do with the > engineering theory, but with your subjective > perception of sound. > > Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > between what you physically hear and what you think > you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > > Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > > Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > > have produced. The classic example of the failure of > > standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > > characterise the performance of an audio > > reproduction system for a human listener. > > I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > > Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > in the best of systems. > > > So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > > to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > > Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > somehow change notwithstanding. > > -- Ron > > > > You > > don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > > says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > > changed or replaced. > > > > John Walker > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Ron" > > >To: > > >Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Warren, > > >> > > >>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > > >>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > > >>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > > >>a moot point for me. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > > >getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > > >spindle wear .... > > > > > > > > >>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > > >> > > >> > > >even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > > >try soemthing before you comment on it. > > > > > >-- if > > > > > > > > >>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > > >>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > > >centering a record is it? > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > > >>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > > >>issue of LP eccentricity? > > >> > > >> > > > > > >actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > > > > > >And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > > > > > > > > >>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > > >>when LPs were a major program source)? > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > > >high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > > > > > >Have a good weekend too > > >next week its cables and caps :-) > > >Warren > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Wed Sep 25 19:14:28 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:14:28 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] Mystery mechanisms for sale on English e-bay References: Message-ID: <026f01c264b7$02a29f40$1c3442cf@cta> Pretty sure those are Aiwa or Sony, of 1990 or newer vintage. Semi-cheap mech. Not terrible, but not great. The solenoids are just cam triggers, releasing a big gear cam that is then driven by the (single)capstan flywheel. Note also the single motor, meaning the cap motor also doubles as the reel drive motor. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mystery mechanisms for sale on English e-bay > Hi all > > There are two 3-head fully complete cassette deck transports for sale on the Brit e-bay. Does anyone know who may have manufactured these? > > The link is below: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1383225273 > > No bidding has happened yet - sellers starter at five (5) Pounds. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 25 20:04:16 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:04:16 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Re: OT: Remote controls References: <200209250821.KAA12548@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <3D91FAA0.877CE1FF@rcn.com> Geoffrey Reynolds wrote: > > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:21:30 +0200, you wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:48:19 -0400, Ron wrote: > > > >Warren wrote: > >> > >> I was hoping you had figured out away for the remote to quiz the > >> tv itself before continuing the macro. > > > >That would be an overkill, won't it? I'd be quite happy if > >the TV could simply understand discrete commands; Like ON > >or OFF, rather than POWER. Of course, the limitation is not > >in the technology, but rather in the people that implemented > >it. > > Actually, in many cases it wouldn't be overkill. Many devices take a > while to turn on and won't respond to IR commands until fully turned > on. My Mitsubishi RPTV doesn't respond to IR commands for about 5-7 > seconds when first turned on. If I have macros to "Watch DVD" and > "Watch VCR" and decide to switch from one to the other while the > system is already on, it would be nice if my macro could be smart > enough to know that the TV is already on and skip delays that wait for > the TV to power up. While your variable solution provides a way to do > this, it is simply too easy for someone to use another remote or hit > the front panel power button and get things out of sync. Real > feedback is much more reliable. I simply insert a proper delay if/when necessary. Since I already know whether the TV (or whatever) is on, it's easy to select the delay so that the macro always works. Not as reliable (or elegant) as feedback (and does require measuring response times), but quite reliable. I would certainly use an interrogation feature if it was already built in, but I wouldn't bother to add it to a system. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Wed Sep 25 20:28:32 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 01:28:32 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <000801c264c1$5ae1ac00$6a299bca@smarzuki> The original Dragon also comes to mind ... arguably best playback deck with naac that nobody even bother to copy ! Sounds overkill for cassette medium but the difference is clear. Stephen, do you think stylus 'azimuth' is one of Nak's goal on this auto centering turntable ? Did the CT sell well ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus "wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From khmerideth at anderson.edu Wed Sep 25 21:17:57 2002 From: khmerideth at anderson.edu (Kent Merideth) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 14:17:57 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: Stephen will likely remember, or refute, my recollection that Marantz had a similar system as the Dragon NAAC, but they used a standard sandwiched record/playback head assembly and compared left and right channel signals, which is NOT the proper way to accomplish correct azimuth. Seems like this only lasted one model year and, obviously, was not very successful on the market. Hmmm, I wonder why. ;-) Kent Merideth >>> smarzuki at indosat.net.id 09/25/02 01:28PM >>> The original Dragon also comes to mind ... arguably best playback deck with naac that nobody even bother to copy ! Sounds overkill for cassette medium but the difference is clear. Stephen, do you think stylus 'azimuth' is one of Nak's goal on this auto centering turntable ? Did the CT sell well ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Sank To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:05 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus "wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Wed Sep 25 21:26:23 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 15:26:23 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > > I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: > I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we > had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a > respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and > compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much > better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the > cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. > If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus > "wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much > effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the > waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is 'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics of it. We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying decisions on this gut feeling. -- Ron > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > John Walker wrote: > > > > > > Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > > > (My turn) > > > I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > > > any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > > > > > > Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > > > very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > > > polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > > > variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > > > measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > > > was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > > > on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > > > *exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > > > earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > > > other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > > > this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > > > accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > > > underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > > > with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > > > result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > > > special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > > > work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > > > increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > > > > To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > > approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > > attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > > in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > > > > Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > > > proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > > > this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > > > good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > > > experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > > > a new one. > > > > > > My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > > > listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > > > cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > > > equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > > > > Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > > Let me point out a few fallacies: > > > > The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > > was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > > that it works as expected is proof that the theory > > is valid. > > > > The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > > design' that you are talking about all became a > > reality through that same theory (electrical > > engineering). No new theory was used, just new > > marketing claims. > > > > There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > > sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > > that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > > same people through a *valid* listening test and > > all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > > been proved again and again and again. Why do you > > think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > > valid DBTs? > > > > > It does not matter > > > how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > > > critical pieces of equipment. > > > > Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > > myth. > > > > There are very few 'pieces of less critical > > equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > > These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > > works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > > devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > > the earth and measure physical quantities too small > > for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > > one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > > They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > > imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > > critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > > to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > > > > There is a very complex and poorly > > > understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > > > auditory system! > > > > Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > > hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > > field in your listening space that existed on the > > recording stage (or the closest approximation > > possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > > room the same auditory sensation you would have > > perceived during the recording. If you hear a > > difference between two identical acoustical samples, > > than it certainly has nothing to do with the > > engineering theory, but with your subjective > > perception of sound. > > > > Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > > sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > > between what you physically hear and what you think > > you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > > > > Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > > perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > > This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > > > > Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > > > have produced. The classic example of the failure of > > > standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > > > characterise the performance of an audio > > > reproduction system for a human listener. > > > > I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > > frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > > sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > > > > Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > > sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > > is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > > deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > > the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > > are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > > in the best of systems. > > > > > So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > > > to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > > > > Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > > I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > > somehow change notwithstanding. > > > > -- Ron > > > > > > > You > > > don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > > > says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > > > changed or replaced. > > > > > > John Walker > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Ron" > > > >To: > > > >Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Warren, > > > >> > > > >>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > > > >>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > > > >>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > > > >>a moot point for me. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > > > >getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > > > >spindle wear .... > > > > > > > > > > > >>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > > > >> > > > >> > > > >even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > > > >try soemthing before you comment on it. > > > > > > > >-- if > > > > > > > > > > > >>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > > > >>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > > > >centering a record is it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > > > >>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > > > >>issue of LP eccentricity? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > > > > > > > >And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > > > > > > > > > > > >>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > > > >>when LPs were a major program source)? > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > > > >high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > > > > > > > >Have a good weekend too > > > >next week its cables and caps :-) > > > >Warren > > > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Wed Sep 25 22:11:47 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:11:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain stage"? Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as pitch Ron wrote: >Stephen Sank wrote: > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! >> >> > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics >of it. > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying >decisions on this gut feeling. > >-- Ron > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>http://stephensank.com >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] >>505-332-0336 >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ron" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >> >> >>>John Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, >>>>(My turn) >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. >>>> >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) >>>> >>>> >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with >>>>a new one. >>>> >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. >>>> >>>> >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: >>> >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory >>>is valid. >>> >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube >>>design' that you are talking about all became a >>>reality through that same theory (electrical >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new >>>marketing claims. >>> >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against >>>valid DBTs? >>> >>> >>> >>>>It does not matter >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less >>>>critical pieces of equipment. >>>> >>>> >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this >>>myth. >>> >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? >>> >>> >>> >>>>There is a very complex and poorly >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human >>>>auditory system! >>>> >>>> >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound >>>field in your listening space that existed on the >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective >>>perception of sound. >>> >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference >>>between what you physically hear and what you think >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. >>> >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to >>>>characterise the performance of an audio >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. >>>> >>>> >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. >>> >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only >>>in the best of systems. >>> >>> >>> >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. >>>> >>>> >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will >>>somehow change notwithstanding. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>You >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be >>>>changed or replaced. >>>> >>>>John Walker >>>> >>>>Warren wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Ron" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Warren, >>>>>> >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>>>>>a moot point for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >>>>>spindle wear .... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. >>>>> >>>>>-- if >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >>>>>centering a record is it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) >>>>> >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. >>>>> >>>>>Have a good weekend too >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) >>>>>Warren >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>>> >>>>> >>resource. >> >> >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> >> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>resource. >> >> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> >> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> >> >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >>resource. >> >> >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 25 22:41:55 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:41:55 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001101c264d3$fcaa6e20$fe6487d9@oemcomputer> John said: > > Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers > I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard > of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect > of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal > itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head > off, please. > > The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation > so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that > the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will > respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid > assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this > perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag > between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the > cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records > always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the > groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the > equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is > undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of > band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is > "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain > stage"? > > Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the > Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or > electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have > in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick > did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) > > John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as > pitch > > Errr... I understood every word, John, but not in the order you wrote them. Confused of Liverpool --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.389 / Virus Database: 220 - Release Date: 16/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bjgrady at pacbell.net Wed Sep 25 22:45:33 2002 From: bjgrady at pacbell.net (John) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 13:45:33 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c264d4$7f6cdb40$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> To all involved in yet another one of these 'never ending' discussions, who cares who is right. Go listen. If u are thinking about purchasing some new/used gear, get out and listen to it. If it turns u on, buy it. If not, save your dough for something else. Man, to me, all this 'going around in circles' would take a few years off my life. Cal John. Cueing up some vinyl, cracking a cool one, & tapping my toe. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:12 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain stage"? Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as pitch Ron wrote: >Stephen Sank wrote: > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! >> >> > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics >of it. > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying >decisions on this gut feeling. > >-- Ron > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>http://stephensank.com >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] >>505-332-0336 >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ron" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >> >> >>>John Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, >>>>(My turn) >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. >>>> >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) >>>> >>>> >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with >>>>a new one. >>>> >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. >>>> >>>> >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: >>> >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory >>>is valid. >>> >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube >>>design' that you are talking about all became a >>>reality through that same theory (electrical >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new >>>marketing claims. >>> >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against >>>valid DBTs? >>> >>> >>> >>>>It does not matter >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less >>>>critical pieces of equipment. >>>> >>>> >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this >>>myth. >>> >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? >>> >>> >>> >>>>There is a very complex and poorly >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human >>>>auditory system! >>>> >>>> >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound >>>field in your listening space that existed on the >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective >>>perception of sound. >>> >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference >>>between what you physically hear and what you think >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. >>> >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to >>>>characterise the performance of an audio >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. >>>> >>>> >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. >>> >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only >>>in the best of systems. >>> >>> >>> >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. >>>> >>>> >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will >>>somehow change notwithstanding. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>You >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be >>>>changed or replaced. >>>> >>>>John Walker >>>> >>>>Warren wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Ron" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Warren, >>>>>> >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>>>>>a moot point for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >>>>>spindle wear .... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. >>>>> >>>>>-- if >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >>>>>centering a record is it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) >>>>> >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. >>>>> >>>>>Have a good weekend too >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) >>>>>Warren >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -= >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>>> >>>>> >>resource. >> >> >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -= >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == >>======= >> >> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>resource. >> >> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == >>======= >> >> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == >>======= >> >> >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >>resource. >> >> >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == >>======= >> >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Thu Sep 26 03:18:12 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:18:12 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <02bf01c264fa$99015c40$1c3442cf@cta> John, I believe you nailed it. Yes, considering how much cleaner the cheap M92E sounded after centering, it must be a resonance-induced distortion thing. But I believe it is how this resonance disturbs the actual tracking of the waveform, since the subsonic filter in the Apt Holman we often used for demo was before the first active gain stage, so overload is unlikely to be occurring. I can only recall selling two Dragon CT tables over about a four year period, so I am quite sure they didn't sell well generally. They were considered a very high priced table at the time(although $1740 retail seemed even then a bargain to me), and it was also quite large, compared to the average table. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers > I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard > of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect > of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal > itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. > > The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation > so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that > the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will > respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid > assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this > perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag > between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the > cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records > always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the > groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the > equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is > undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of > band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is > "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain > stage"? > > Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the > Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or > electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have > in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick > did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) > > John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as > pitch > > Ron wrote: > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: > >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we > >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a > >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and > >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much > >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the > >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. > >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus > >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much > >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the > >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! > >> > >> > > > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is > >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics > >of it. > > > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity > >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of > >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a > >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I > >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. > >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of > >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > > > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT > >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any > >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note > >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > > > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) > >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is > >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, > >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are > >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. > >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is > >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying > >decisions on this gut feeling. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > >>Talking Dog Transducer Company > >>http://stephensank.com > >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > >>505-332-0336 > >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Ron" > >>To: > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >> > >> > >> > >>>John Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > >>>>(My turn) > >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > >>>> > >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > >>>>a new one. > >>>> > >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: > >>> > >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory > >>>is valid. > >>> > >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > >>>design' that you are talking about all became a > >>>reality through that same theory (electrical > >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new > >>>marketing claims. > >>> > >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and > >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you > >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > >>>valid DBTs? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>It does not matter > >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > >>>>critical pieces of equipment. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > >>>myth. > >>> > >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical > >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small > >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>There is a very complex and poorly > >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > >>>>auditory system! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > >>>field in your listening space that existed on the > >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation > >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have > >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a > >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, > >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the > >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective > >>>perception of sound. > >>> > >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > >>>between what you physically hear and what you think > >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > >>> > >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > >>>>characterise the performance of an audio > >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > >>> > >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > >>>in the best of systems. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > >>>somehow change notwithstanding. > >>> > >>>-- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>You > >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > >>>>changed or replaced. > >>>> > >>>>John Walker > >>>> > >>>>Warren wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "Ron" > >>>>>To: > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Warren, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > >>>>>>a moot point for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > >>>>>spindle wear .... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > >>>>> > >>>>>-- if > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > >>>>>centering a record is it? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >>>>> > >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >>>>> > >>>>>Have a good weekend too > >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) > >>>>>Warren > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -= > >>> > >>> > >>======== > >> > >> > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -= > >>> > >>> > >>======== > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>> > >>>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> > >>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Thu Sep 26 05:55:12 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:55:12 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <02bf01c264fa$99015c40$1c3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D92851A.65CFB43F@snet.net> Just to chime in with about two sentences worth I would point out that just because some novel approach did not become commonplace within a component type does not disqualify the benefit of the feature. Ron asks why no other turntable has been made that centers the platter as if that fact shows that it's not an important issue. One could counter by asking why no other cassette deck was ever made that could actually dynamically track azimuth on playback. Does that disqualify the benefit of NAAC in a Dragon deck? Nakamichi (and many cassette users) felt it was important enough that they made several other models where you could manually tweak the play azimuth. In spite of that fact, I can think of no more than maybe one other company that offered such a feature on more than perhaps one model. I have not heard the Dragon table, but I have heard many accounts of it and can not discredit the centering feature as possibly being an important issue. They didn't sell many, but back then you could count the number of over $1,500 turntables on maybe one hand. If it were made today, I would imagine the price would be well over $10,000... it's just the scales of economy... and perhaps why no one else has done it since. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > John, I believe you nailed it. Yes, considering how much cleaner the cheap > M92E sounded after centering, it must be a resonance-induced distortion > thing. But I believe it is how this resonance disturbs the actual tracking > of the waveform, since the subsonic filter in the Apt Holman we often used > for demo was before the first active gain stage, so overload is unlikely to > be occurring. > I can only recall selling two Dragon CT tables over about a four year > period, so I am quite sure they didn't sell well generally. They were > considered a very high priced table at the time(although $1740 retail seemed > even then a bargain to me), and it was also quite large, compared to the > average table. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From c123666 at earthlink.net Thu Sep 26 06:26:36 2002 From: c123666 at earthlink.net (Carl C) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 21:26:36 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D92851A.65CFB43F@snet.net> Message-ID: I believe that more than a couple of cassette decks with azimuth adjustment features have been available in Japan. When I went to Akihabara in 1991 I know I saw at least one Marantz deck with an azimuth feature and pretty sure there were more. What was available in North America is another story, however. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of Ed Noyes Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:55 PM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Just to chime in with about two sentences worth I would point out that just because some novel approach did not become commonplace within a component type does not disqualify the benefit of the feature. Ron asks why no other turntable has been made that centers the platter as if that fact shows that it's not an important issue. One could counter by asking why no other cassette deck was ever made that could actually dynamically track azimuth on playback. Does that disqualify the benefit of NAAC in a Dragon deck? Nakamichi (and many cassette users) felt it was important enough that they made several other models where you could manually tweak the play azimuth. In spite of that fact, I can think of no more than maybe one other company that offered such a feature on more than perhaps one model. I have not heard the Dragon table, but I have heard many accounts of it and can not discredit the centering feature as possibly being an important issue. They didn't sell many, but back then you could count the number of over $1,500 turntables on maybe one hand. If it were made today, I would imagine the price would be well over $10,000... it's just the scales of economy... and perhaps why no one else has done it since. Ed Stephen Sank wrote: > John, I believe you nailed it. Yes, considering how much cleaner the cheap > M92E sounded after centering, it must be a resonance-induced distortion > thing. But I believe it is how this resonance disturbs the actual tracking > of the waveform, since the subsonic filter in the Apt Holman we often used > for demo was before the first active gain stage, so overload is unlikely to > be occurring. > I can only recall selling two Dragon CT tables over about a four year > period, so I am quite sure they didn't sell well generally. They were > considered a very high priced table at the time(although $1740 retail seemed > even then a bargain to me), and it was also quite large, compared to the > average table. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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Name: Marantz sd-930.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10057 bytes Desc: Marantz sd-930.jpg URL: From Mhugo at sunint.co.za Thu Sep 26 08:11:28 2002 From: Mhugo at sunint.co.za (Mark Hugo) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:11:28 +0200 Subject: [naktalk] Mystery mechanisms for sale on English e-bay: Thanks Message-ID: Many thanks Salim and Stephen for your comments, Regards, Marc >>> bk11 at thuntek.net 09/25/02 07:14PM >>> Pretty sure those are Aiwa or Sony, of 1990 or newer vintage. Semi-cheap mech. Not terrible, but not great. The solenoids are just cam triggers, releasing a big gear cam that is then driven by the (single)capstan flywheel. Note also the single motor, meaning the cap motor also doubles as the reel drive motor. Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hugo" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:50 AM Subject: [naktalk] Mystery mechanisms for sale on English e-bay > Hi all > > There are two 3-head fully complete cassette deck transports for sale on the Brit e-bay. Does anyone know who may have manufactured these? > > The link is below: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1383225273 > > No bidding has happened yet - sellers starter at five (5) Pounds. > > Cheers, > > Marc > > Visit Sun International's Royal Livingstone Hotel and Zambezi Sun in Zambia > Arrive in Awe.... > .... 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TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 26 09:30:59 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:30:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron I don't believe that you have a complete theory. You have all of the text books on electrical engineering, and I will not dispute what they say. But you are refusing to accept the experimental evidence. This is because you refuse to credit the human ear with much ability. You seem to have an underpining assumption that the ear has about the same performance as the last piece of measuring equipment that you just threw away and replaced with something better. Your theories are usually based on an argument: "equipment X will measure at 0.000Y% or -Z dB, and the poor schmuck of a human can't *possibly* hope to compete with that!. It has "Tektronix" written on it! " You ought to consider that the schmuck might really be a whole lot better, if only you could work out what it was that you had to measure to characterise the system (Instead of measuring what you can, and hoping that that will be enough.) Can't you accept that there might be lower order signal properties that we can hear, but that we (you and I) might find hard to measure? The human hearing system evolved to protect us from danger first and foremost, and it has a complex processing system (the brain) on the back of it to extract the important signal from all the other dreck This system is still widely acknowledged to have substantially higher processing abilities than even the latest array of digital processors humming away in a radar/sonar/mobile phone network or whatever. After all, certain bats have got a matched filter echo-location system that we have only recently been able to replicate in a DSP system. What parameters does the ear use? Can you measure non-stationarity or small departures from Gaussian noise with a 'scope? How about adaptive thresholding? What process does the ear use to cancel out noise - the cocktail party effect? It must be using complex time-domain and spatial filtering techniques. You cannot characterise processing systems like these with a single parameter like 'distortion' or 'flutter'. This takes us back to my own underlying point: we tend to time average to make a measurement, but the ear almost certainly does not, because the important signals are transient. That is also why the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America (my favourite bedtime read) is full of articles on psycho-acoustics. Now I think that audio is as important as your 'rocket science machine' stuff because it is pushing the boundaries. In my experience, digital processing systems have worked really well in radars/sonars/phone networks, but not so well in audio. Things are getting better, but clearly 16-bits and 44.1 kHz did not work anything like as well as the theory said it would. Most of us expected 'Perfect Sound', and it took me a while to fully appreciate just how limited the original CD sound was! So audio is pushing the technology out to 24-bits and higher sampling rates just as much as sonar or radar or mobile comms. The complex engineering projects that you cite have often worked exactly like the original CD. "Well the theory says it should be alright, so I don't really know why it sounds so screechy." That is why most space-craft or fighters or synthetic aperture radars use the discipline of System Engineering, and start from User Requirements, and spend most of the money on the interfaces between sub-systems. Engineering systems that are built around a "Single Dominant Theoretical Concept" usually fail because insufficient attention is paid to the more mundane user and interfacing issues. Ron wrote: >John Walker wrote: > > >>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, >>(My turn) >>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of >>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. >> >>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a >>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of >>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small >>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to >>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun >>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points >>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got >>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the >>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by >>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain >>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well >>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an >>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up >>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental >>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called >>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still >>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed >>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) >> >> > >To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an >approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed >attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set >in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > > >>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one >>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In >>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became >>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the >>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with >>a new one. >> >>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere >>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new >>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the >>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. >> >> > >Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. >Let me point out a few fallacies: > >The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' >was used to design and build the equipment. The fact >that it works as expected is proof that the theory >is valid. > >The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube >design' that you are talking about all became a >reality through that same theory (electrical >engineering). No new theory was used, just new >marketing claims. > >There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from >sincere listeners...', just a small group of people >that possess an overactive imagination. Put the >same people through a *valid* listening test and >all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has >been proved again and again and again. Why do you >think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against >valid DBTs? > > > >>It does not matter >>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less >>critical pieces of equipment. >> >> > >Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this >myth. > >There are very few 'pieces of less critical >equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. >These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory >works' support scientific instrumentation, medical >devices, save lives, put people into orbit around >the earth and measure physical quantities too small >for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of >one millionth of a second), to name just a few. >They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really >imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a >critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages >to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > > >>There is a very complex and poorly >>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human >>auditory system! >> >> > >Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective >hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound >field in your listening space that existed on the >recording stage (or the closest approximation >possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your >room the same auditory sensation you would have >perceived during the recording. If you hear a >difference between two identical acoustical samples, >than it certainly has nothing to do with the >engineering theory, but with your subjective >perception of sound. > >Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you >sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference >between what you physically hear and what you think >you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > >Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of >perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. >This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > > >>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should >>have produced. The classic example of the failure of >>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to >>characterise the performance of an audio >>reproduction system for a human listener. >> >> > >I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, >frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect >sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > >Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog >sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, >is a function of the number of bits employed. It was >deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better >the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits >are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only >in the best of systems. > > > >>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least >>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. >> >> > >Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, >I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will >somehow change notwithstanding. > >-- Ron > > > > >>You >>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which >>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be >>changed or replaced. >> >>John Walker >> >>Warren wrote: >> >> >> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ron" >>>To: >>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Warren, >>>> >>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>>>a moot point for me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >>>spindle wear .... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >>>try soemthing before you comment on it. >>> >>>-- if >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >>>centering a record is it? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>>>issue of LP eccentricity? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) >>> >>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>>>when LPs were a major program source)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. >>> >>>Have a good weekend too >>>next week its cables and caps :-) >>>Warren >>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From djpartianymal at lineone.net Thu Sep 26 10:20:37 2002 From: djpartianymal at lineone.net (T.Ward) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:20:37 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> Hi, What's a "schmuck"??? Did Nakamichi make one?? P.A ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walker" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > Ron > > I don't believe that you have a complete theory. You have all of the > text books on electrical engineering, and I will not dispute what they > say. But you are refusing to accept the experimental evidence. This is > because you refuse to credit the human ear with much ability. You seem > to have an underpining assumption that the ear has about the same > performance as the last piece of measuring equipment that you just threw > away and replaced with something better. Your theories are usually based > on an argument: "equipment X will measure at 0.000Y% or -Z dB, and the > poor schmuck of a human can't *possibly* hope to compete with that!. It > has "Tektronix" written on it! " > > You ought to consider that the schmuck might really be a whole lot > better, if only you could work out what it was that you had to measure > to characterise the system (Instead of measuring what you can, and > hoping that that will be enough.) > > Can't you accept that there might be lower order signal properties that > we can hear, but that we (you and I) might find hard to measure? The > human hearing system evolved to protect us from danger first and > foremost, and it has a complex processing system (the brain) on the back > of it to extract the important signal from all the other dreck This > system is still widely acknowledged to have substantially higher > processing abilities than even the latest array of digital processors > humming away in a radar/sonar/mobile phone network or whatever. After > all, certain bats have got a matched filter echo-location system that > we have only recently been able to replicate in a DSP system. > > What parameters does the ear use? Can you measure non-stationarity or > small departures from Gaussian noise with a 'scope? How about adaptive > thresholding? What process does the ear use to cancel out noise - the > cocktail party effect? It must be using complex time-domain and spatial > filtering techniques. You cannot characterise processing systems like > these with a single parameter like 'distortion' or 'flutter'. This takes > us back to my own underlying point: we tend to time average to make a > measurement, but the ear almost certainly does not, because the > important signals are transient. > > That is also why the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America (my > favourite bedtime read) is full of articles on psycho-acoustics. > > Now I think that audio is as important as your 'rocket science machine' > stuff because it is pushing the boundaries. In my experience, digital > processing systems have worked really well in radars/sonars/phone > networks, but not so well in audio. Things are getting better, but > clearly 16-bits and 44.1 kHz did not work anything like as well as the > theory said it would. Most of us expected 'Perfect Sound', and it took > me a while to fully appreciate just how limited the original CD sound > was! So audio is pushing the technology out to 24-bits and higher > sampling rates just as much as sonar or radar or mobile comms. > > The complex engineering projects that you cite have often worked > exactly like the original CD. "Well the theory says it should be > alright, so I don't really know why it sounds so screechy." That is why > most space-craft or fighters or synthetic aperture radars use the > discipline of System Engineering, and start from User Requirements, and > spend most of the money on the interfaces between sub-systems. > Engineering systems that are built around a "Single Dominant Theoretical > Concept" usually fail because insufficient attention is paid to the more > mundane user and interfacing issues. > > > Ron wrote: > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > >>(My turn) > >>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > >>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > >> > >>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > >>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > >>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > >>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > >>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > >>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > >>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > >>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > >>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > >>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > >>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > >>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > >>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > >>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > >>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > >>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > >>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > >>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > >> > >> > > > >To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > >approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > >attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > >in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > > > > > > >>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > >>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > >>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > >>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > >>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > >>a new one. > >> > >>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > >>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > >>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > >>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > >> > >> > > > >Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > >Let me point out a few fallacies: > > > >The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > >was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > >that it works as expected is proof that the theory > >is valid. > > > >The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > >design' that you are talking about all became a > >reality through that same theory (electrical > >engineering). No new theory was used, just new > >marketing claims. > > > >There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > >sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > >that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > >same people through a *valid* listening test and > >all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > >been proved again and again and again. Why do you > >think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > >valid DBTs? > > > > > > > >>It does not matter > >>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > >>critical pieces of equipment. > >> > >> > > > >Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > >myth. > > > >There are very few 'pieces of less critical > >equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > >These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > >works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > >devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > >the earth and measure physical quantities too small > >for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > >one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > >They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > >imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > >critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > >to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > > > > > > >>There is a very complex and poorly > >>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > >>auditory system! > >> > >> > > > >Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > >hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > >field in your listening space that existed on the > >recording stage (or the closest approximation > >possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > >room the same auditory sensation you would have > >perceived during the recording. If you hear a > >difference between two identical acoustical samples, > >than it certainly has nothing to do with the > >engineering theory, but with your subjective > >perception of sound. > > > >Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > >sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > >between what you physically hear and what you think > >you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > > > >Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > >perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > >This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > > > > > > >>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > >>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > >>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > >>characterise the performance of an audio > >>reproduction system for a human listener. > >> > >> > > > >I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > >frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > >sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > > > >Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > >sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > >is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > >deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > >the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > >are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > >in the best of systems. > > > > > > > >>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > >>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > >> > >> > > > >Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > >I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > >somehow change notwithstanding. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >>You > >>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > >>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > >>changed or replaced. > >> > >>John Walker > >> > >>Warren wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Ron" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Warren, > >>>> > >>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > >>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > >>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > >>>>a moot point for me. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > >>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > >>>spindle wear .... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > >>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > >>> > >>>-- if > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > >>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > >>>centering a record is it? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > >>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > >>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >>> > >>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > >>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > >>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >>> > >>>Have a good weekend too > >>>next week its cables and caps :-) > >>>Warren > >>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- -========= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ ========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= ======== > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From mariano at starnet.net.ph Thu Sep 26 11:31:13 2002 From: mariano at starnet.net.ph (Master) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:31:13 +0800 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> Message-ID: <3D92D3E1.000001.02648@mariano> Dear P.A. Funny you should ask! Here's the official "daffinition": "schmuck" also "shmuck" n. Slang, A clumsy or stupid person; an oaf. [Yiddish shmok, penis, fool, probably from Polish smok, serpent, tail.] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition schmuck n : someone unpleasantly strange or eccentric [syn: creep, weirdo, weirdie, weirdy, spook] Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University No, Nakamichi never manufactured schmucks, but that's what you become when you start listening to yourself too much and begin to believe what you hear! Cheers! Mariano From: naktalk at naks.com Date: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:44:31 AM To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Hi, What's a "schmuck"??? Did Nakamichi make one?? P.A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 494 bytes Desc: not available URL: From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 26 13:42:29 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:42:29 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <000001c264d4$7f6cdb40$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <001201c26551$cc16d540$b7299bca@smarzuki> There's one !!! (no, not schmuck, but the TX1000) http://www.qaudio.com/fused.html OBM, $6995. Including SME III and Denon 305 cartridge (a bit overpriced compared to $300 orion's value) And I thought 'going around in circles' is our ritual here =) Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 3:45 AM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West To all involved in yet another one of these 'never ending' discussions, who cares who is right. Go listen. If u are thinking about purchasing some new/used gear, get out and listen to it. If it turns u on, buy it. If not, save your dough for something else. Man, to me, all this 'going around in circles' would take a few years off my life. Cal John. Cueing up some vinyl, cracking a cool one, & tapping my toe. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of John Walker Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:12 PM ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 26 13:48:30 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 18:48:30 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz Auto-Azimuth deck References: <067D64B9.223582AF.026D48C1@netscape.net> Message-ID: <001d01c26552$a2b093c0$b7299bca@smarzuki> Thanks Nick ... anybody ever tried this one ? 'Makanichi Auto Azimuth Control' ... how original =) Cheers, SM ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz Auto-Azimuth deck Hi, everybody, Marantz system was called MAAC and at least one deck was equipped with it - SD-930. Here is the link to Japanese page: http://isweb14.infoseek.co.jp/art/k-nisi/dragon.htm Regards, Nicholas. ______________________________________ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From copytec at coqui.net Thu Sep 26 14:52:54 2002 From: copytec at coqui.net (El Magnifico) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 07:52:54 -0500 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Marantz Auto-Azimuth deck References: <067D64B9.223582AF.026D48C1@netscape.net> <001d01c26552$a2b093c0$b7299bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <002301c2655b$a7f6e4c0$d31f2ac4@CopyTech> What about Nikimachi, Salim ? Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salim Marzuki" To: Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Marantz Auto-Azimuth deck > > Thanks Nick ... anybody ever tried this one ? > > 'Makanichi Auto Azimuth Control' ... how original =) > > Cheers, > SM > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick > To: naktalk at naks.com > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:29 PM > Subject: RE: [naktalk] OT: Marantz Auto-Azimuth deck > > > Hi, everybody, > > Marantz system was called MAAC and at least one deck was equipped with it - > SD-930. > Here is the link to Japanese page: > http://isweb14.infoseek.co.jp/art/k-nisi/dragon.htm > > Regards, > > Nicholas. > > ______________________________________ > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 26 15:07:56 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:07:56 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> Message-ID: <3D9306AC.D58E7A0E@rcn.com> "T.Ward" wrote: > > Hi, > What's a "schmuck"??? An aberration of 'Shmok', referring to a specific part of the male anatomy. > Did Nakamichi make one?? No. Only God and The Administration can make them :-) -- Ron > P.A > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:30 AM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > Ron > > > > I don't believe that you have a complete theory. You have all of the > > text books on electrical engineering, and I will not dispute what they > > say. But you are refusing to accept the experimental evidence. This is > > because you refuse to credit the human ear with much ability. You seem > > to have an underpining assumption that the ear has about the same > > performance as the last piece of measuring equipment that you just threw > > away and replaced with something better. Your theories are usually based > > on an argument: "equipment X will measure at 0.000Y% or -Z dB, and the > > poor schmuck of a human can't *possibly* hope to compete with that!. It > > has "Tektronix" written on it! " > > > > You ought to consider that the schmuck might really be a whole lot > > better, if only you could work out what it was that you had to measure > > to characterise the system (Instead of measuring what you can, and > > hoping that that will be enough.) > > > > Can't you accept that there might be lower order signal properties that > > we can hear, but that we (you and I) might find hard to measure? The > > human hearing system evolved to protect us from danger first and > > foremost, and it has a complex processing system (the brain) on the back > > of it to extract the important signal from all the other dreck This > > system is still widely acknowledged to have substantially higher > > processing abilities than even the latest array of digital processors > > humming away in a radar/sonar/mobile phone network or whatever. After > > all, certain bats have got a matched filter echo-location system that > > we have only recently been able to replicate in a DSP system. > > > > What parameters does the ear use? Can you measure non-stationarity or > > small departures from Gaussian noise with a 'scope? How about adaptive > > thresholding? What process does the ear use to cancel out noise - the > > cocktail party effect? It must be using complex time-domain and spatial > > filtering techniques. You cannot characterise processing systems like > > these with a single parameter like 'distortion' or 'flutter'. This takes > > us back to my own underlying point: we tend to time average to make a > > measurement, but the ear almost certainly does not, because the > > important signals are transient. > > > > That is also why the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America (my > > favourite bedtime read) is full of articles on psycho-acoustics. > > > > Now I think that audio is as important as your 'rocket science machine' > > stuff because it is pushing the boundaries. In my experience, digital > > processing systems have worked really well in radars/sonars/phone > > networks, but not so well in audio. Things are getting better, but > > clearly 16-bits and 44.1 kHz did not work anything like as well as the > > theory said it would. Most of us expected 'Perfect Sound', and it took > > me a while to fully appreciate just how limited the original CD sound > > was! So audio is pushing the technology out to 24-bits and higher > > sampling rates just as much as sonar or radar or mobile comms. > > > > The complex engineering projects that you cite have often worked > > exactly like the original CD. "Well the theory says it should be > > alright, so I don't really know why it sounds so screechy." That is why > > most space-craft or fighters or synthetic aperture radars use the > > discipline of System Engineering, and start from User Requirements, and > > spend most of the money on the interfaces between sub-systems. > > Engineering systems that are built around a "Single Dominant Theoretical > > Concept" usually fail because insufficient attention is paid to the more > > mundane user and interfacing issues. > > > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > > >>(My turn) > > >>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > > >>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > > >> > > >>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > > >>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > > >>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > > >>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > > >>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > > >>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > > >>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > > >>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > > >>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > > >>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > > >>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > > >>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > > >>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > > >>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > > >>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > > >>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > > >>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > > >>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > > >> > > >> > > > > > >To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > > >approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > > >attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > > >in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > > >>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > > >>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > > >>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > > >>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > > >>a new one. > > >> > > >>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > > >>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > > >>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > > >>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > > >Let me point out a few fallacies: > > > > > >The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > > >was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > > >that it works as expected is proof that the theory > > >is valid. > > > > > >The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > > >design' that you are talking about all became a > > >reality through that same theory (electrical > > >engineering). No new theory was used, just new > > >marketing claims. > > > > > >There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > > >sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > > >that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > > >same people through a *valid* listening test and > > >all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > > >been proved again and again and again. Why do you > > >think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > > >valid DBTs? > > > > > > > > > > > >>It does not matter > > >>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > > >>critical pieces of equipment. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > > >myth. > > > > > >There are very few 'pieces of less critical > > >equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > > >These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > > >works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > > >devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > > >the earth and measure physical quantities too small > > >for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > > >one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > > >They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > > >imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > > >critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > > >to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > > > > > > > > > > >>There is a very complex and poorly > > >>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > > >>auditory system! > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > > >hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > > >field in your listening space that existed on the > > >recording stage (or the closest approximation > > >possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > > >room the same auditory sensation you would have > > >perceived during the recording. If you hear a > > >difference between two identical acoustical samples, > > >than it certainly has nothing to do with the > > >engineering theory, but with your subjective > > >perception of sound. > > > > > >Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > > >sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > > >between what you physically hear and what you think > > >you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > > > > > >Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > > >perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > > >This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > > > > > > > > > > >>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > > >>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > > >>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > > >>characterise the performance of an audio > > >>reproduction system for a human listener. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > > >frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > > >sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > > > > > >Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > > >sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > > >is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > > >deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > > >the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > > >are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > > >in the best of systems. > > > > > > > > > > > >>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > > >>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > > >I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > > >somehow change notwithstanding. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>You > > >>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > > >>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > > >>changed or replaced. > > >> > > >>John Walker > > >> > > >>Warren wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>From: "Ron" > > >>>To: > > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Warren, > > >>>> > > >>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > > >>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > > >>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > > >>>>a moot point for me. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > > >>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > > >>>spindle wear .... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > > >>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > > >>> > > >>>-- if > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > > >>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > > >>>centering a record is it? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > > >>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > > >>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > > >>> > > >>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > > >>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > > >>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > > >>> > > >>>Have a good weekend too > > >>>next week its cables and caps :-) > > >>>Warren > > >>> > > > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -========= > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 26 15:51:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:51:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D9310F1.AA2C983@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers > I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard > of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect > of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal > itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. > > The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation > so that it can track warps. Let's think this out together... The ideal arm has zero mass when subjected to slow motion (so that is can perfectly track warp and eccentricity) and infinite mass to fast motion (so that it does not move in response to groove modulation, thus forcing stylus motion). In practice, this is obviously impossible to achieve. Most hi-end arms attempt to emulate this, employing one means or another. The most common approach involves the use of high viscosity damping at the pivots. This results in high resistance to fast motion (emulating high mass: groove undulations cannot move the arm, causing the stylus to track faithfully) and low resistance to slow motion (arm easily responds to warp, making it transparent to the stylus). > I guess therefore that if we assume that > the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will > respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid > assumption for a unipivot.) All designs I am familiar with put a lot of damping in the vertical plane (combating warp) and little or nothing in the horizontal plane (which would deal with record eccentricity. I guess the designers don't think much about the latter problem. > But I cannot imagine that the arm does this > perfectly. Well, Fairly close. That's because warp and eccentricity occur at ~0.5Hz and audio starts at ~30Hz -- six octaves higher. > There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag > between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the > cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records > always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the > groove. True, but warp is measured in inches while eccentricity is measured in thous (thou = 1/1000 of an inch). > The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the > equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is > undetectable to the human eye?). Why do you think so? Peak-to-peak groove modulation is on the order of 4 thou (there are roughly 180 grooves per inch). Eccentricity is less than 0.1% -- about the same amplitude. Since the eccentricity signal is filtered out by the damping mentioned above, it is far, far less than the groove modulation signal. > The result will be a massive out of > band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is > "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain > stage"? I think you should take 'massive' out of the above. Then, where the tiny 0.5Hz signal is filtered becomes a non-issue. BTW, it will be filtered out by the first AC coupled stage, by the same filter put there to combat warp. > Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the > Pink and buy a Nak instead! I wouldn't. BTW, my ReVox does an incredibly good job of filtering horizontal wow out. It's failing is in the mediocre job of filtering out vertical wow, which is why it benefits so much from the Shure V-15 brush, that affords excellent vertical damping. -- Ron > Whereabouts is the first mechanical or > electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have > in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick > did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) > > John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as > pitch > > Ron wrote: > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: > >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we > >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a > >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and > >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much > >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the > >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. > >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus > >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much > >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the > >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! > >> > >> > > > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is > >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics > >of it. > > > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity > >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of > >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a > >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I > >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. > >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of > >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > > > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT > >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any > >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note > >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > > > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) > >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is > >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, > >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are > >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. > >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is > >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying > >decisions on this gut feeling. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > >>Talking Dog Transducer Company > >>http://stephensank.com > >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > >>505-332-0336 > >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Ron" > >>To: > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >> > >> > >> > >>>John Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > >>>>(My turn) > >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > >>>> > >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > >>>>a new one. > >>>> > >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: > >>> > >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory > >>>is valid. > >>> > >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > >>>design' that you are talking about all became a > >>>reality through that same theory (electrical > >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new > >>>marketing claims. > >>> > >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and > >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you > >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > >>>valid DBTs? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>It does not matter > >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > >>>>critical pieces of equipment. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > >>>myth. > >>> > >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical > >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small > >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>There is a very complex and poorly > >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > >>>>auditory system! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > >>>field in your listening space that existed on the > >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation > >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have > >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a > >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, > >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the > >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective > >>>perception of sound. > >>> > >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > >>>between what you physically hear and what you think > >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > >>> > >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > >>>>characterise the performance of an audio > >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > >>> > >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > >>>in the best of systems. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > >>>somehow change notwithstanding. > >>> > >>>-- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>You > >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > >>>>changed or replaced. > >>>> > >>>>John Walker > >>>> > >>>>Warren wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "Ron" > >>>>>To: > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Warren, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > >>>>>>a moot point for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > >>>>>spindle wear .... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > >>>>> > >>>>>-- if > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > >>>>>centering a record is it? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >>>>> > >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >>>>> > >>>>>Have a good weekend too > >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) > >>>>>Warren > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >>> > >>> > >>======== > >> > >> > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= > >>> > >>> > >>======== > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>> > >>>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >>======= > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> > >>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== > >>======= > >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 26 15:56:10 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:56:10 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <000001c264d4$7f6cdb40$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> Message-ID: <3D9311FA.86F899FC@rcn.com> John wrote: > > [....] > > Man, to me, all this 'going around in circles' would take a few years off my > life. I don't know why. I find such discussions very interesting. They force me to reevaluate a stance I have always taken for granted. -- Ron > > Cal John. > > Cueing up some vinyl, cracking a cool one, & tapping my toe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:12 PM > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers > I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard > of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect > of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal > itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. > > The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation > so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that > the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will > respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid > assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this > perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag > between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the > cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records > always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the > groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the > equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is > undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of > band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is > "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain > stage"? > > Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the > Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or > electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have > in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick > did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) > > John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as > pitch > > Ron wrote: > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: > >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we > >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a > >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and > >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much > >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the > >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. > >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus > >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much > >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the > >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! > >> > >> > > > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is > >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics > >of it. > > > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity > >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of > >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a > >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I > >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. > >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of > >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > > > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT > >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any > >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note > >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > > > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) > >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is > >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, > >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are > >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. > >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is > >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying > >decisions on this gut feeling. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > >>Talking Dog Transducer Company > >>http://stephensank.com > >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > >>505-332-0336 > >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Ron" > >>To: > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >> > >> > >> > >>>John Walker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > >>>>(My turn) > >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > >>>> > >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > >>>>a new one. > >>>> > >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: > >>> > >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory > >>>is valid. > >>> > >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > >>>design' that you are talking about all became a > >>>reality through that same theory (electrical > >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new > >>>marketing claims. > >>> > >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and > >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you > >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > >>>valid DBTs? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>It does not matter > >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > >>>>critical pieces of equipment. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > >>>myth. > >>> > >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical > >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small > >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>There is a very complex and poorly > >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > >>>>auditory system! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > >>>field in your listening space that existed on the > >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation > >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have > >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a > >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, > >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the > >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective > >>>perception of sound. > >>> > >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > >>>between what you physically hear and what you think > >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > >>> > >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > >>>>characterise the performance of an audio > >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > >>> > >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > >>>in the best of systems. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > >>>somehow change notwithstanding. > >>> > >>>-- Ron > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>You > >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > >>>>changed or replaced. > >>>> > >>>>John Walker > >>>> > >>>>Warren wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "Ron" > >>>>>To: > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Warren, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > >>>>>>a moot point for me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > >>>>>spindle wear .... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > >>>>> > >>>>>-- if > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > >>>>>centering a record is it? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >>>>> > >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >>>>> > >>>>>Have a good weekend too > >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) > >>>>>Warren > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > >>> > >>> > >>======== > >> > >> > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- > -= > >>> > >>> > >>======== > >> > >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>>> > >>>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > >>> > >>> > >>resource. > >> > >> > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > == > >>======= > >> > >> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------ > ========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------= > ======== > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck > resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== > ======= > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Thu Sep 26 16:21:24 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 10:21:24 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <02bf01c264fa$99015c40$1c3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D9317E4.EBE2D967@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > > John, I believe you nailed it. See my response to John. I find that often, purist audiophiles will cite a well known (and valid) physical phenomenon to support claims, referring to its effect as 'massive'. Upon investigation, it turns out that the effect is either irrelevant, or -- once actual magnitude is calculated -- turns out to be infinitesimal. In this case, in addition to the filtering action of the arm, I neglected to mention the extremely low (next to zero) 0.5Hz response of magnetic cartridges. > Yes, considering how much cleaner the cheap > M92E sounded after centering, it must be a resonance-induced distortion > thing. Resonance at 0.5Hz????? That would be one horrendously poor TT/arm/cartridge design. > But I believe it is how this resonance disturbs the actual tracking > of the waveform,..... Not to get into signal theory here, but even assuming the 0.5Hz signal is actually present, it cannot affect the groove modulation signal in a linear cartridge. Any quality cartridge is a highly linear device (certainly, the Shure V-15 is). --------- I am not refuting the possibility of some improvement from centering of some eccentric LPs. I do maintain that in the greater scheme of things, this possible improvement does not warrant action for *me*. I am sure that anyone that goes out and buys the Dragon TT will find the improvement amazingly significant. -- Ron > since the subsonic filter in the Apt Holman we often used > for demo was before the first active gain stage, so overload is unlikely to > be occurring. > I can only recall selling two Dragon CT tables over about a four year > period, so I am quite sure they didn't sell well generally. They were > considered a very high priced table at the time(although $1740 retail seemed > even then a bargain to me), and it was also quite large, compared to the > average table. > > Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > Talking Dog Transducer Company > http://stephensank.com > 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > 505-332-0336 > Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > Payments preferred through Paypal.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Walker" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers > > I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard > > of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect > > of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal > > itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, > please. > > > > The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation > > so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that > > the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will > > respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid > > assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this > > perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag > > between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the > > cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records > > always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the > > groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the > > equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is > > undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of > > band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is > > "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain > > stage"? > > > > Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the > > Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or > > electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have > > in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick > > did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) > > > > John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as > > pitch > > > > Ron wrote: > > > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > > > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: > > >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, > we > > >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a > > >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, > and > > >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much > > >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, > the > > >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. > > >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus > > >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much > > >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the > > >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! > > >> > > >> > > > > > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is > > >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics > > >of it. > > > > > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity > > >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of > > >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a > > >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I > > >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. > > >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of > > >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > > > > > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT > > >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any > > >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note > > >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > > > > > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) > > >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is > > >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, > > >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are > > >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. > > >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is > > >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying > > >decisions on this gut feeling. > > > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > > >>Talking Dog Transducer Company > > >>http://stephensank.com > > >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > > >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > > >>505-332-0336 > > >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > > >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com > > >>----- Original Message ----- > > >>From: "Ron" > > >>To: > > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM > > >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>John Walker wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > > >>>>(My turn) > > >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > > >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > > >>>> > > >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed > a > > >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years > of > > >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very > small > > >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method > to > > >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the > sun > > >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different > points > > >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > > >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > > >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > > >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could > explain > > >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > > >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > > >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came > up > > >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > > >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is > called > > >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws > still > > >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > > >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > > >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > > >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > > >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > > >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > > >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > > >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > > >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced > with > > >>>>a new one. > > >>>> > > >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > > >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > > >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > > >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > > >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: > > >>> > > >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > > >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > > >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory > > >>>is valid. > > >>> > > >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > > >>>design' that you are talking about all became a > > >>>reality through that same theory (electrical > > >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new > > >>>marketing claims. > > >>> > > >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > > >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > > >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > > >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and > > >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > > >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you > > >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > > >>>valid DBTs? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>It does not matter > > >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > > >>>>critical pieces of equipment. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > > >>>myth. > > >>> > > >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical > > >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > > >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > > >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > > >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > > >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small > > >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > > >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > > >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > > >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > > >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > > >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>There is a very complex and poorly > > >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > > >>>>auditory system! > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > > >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > > >>>field in your listening space that existed on the > > >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation > > >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > > >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have > > >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a > > >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, > > >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the > > >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective > > >>>perception of sound. > > >>> > > >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > > >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > > >>>between what you physically hear and what you think > > >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > > >>> > > >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > > >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > > >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > > >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > > >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > > >>>>characterise the performance of an audio > > >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > > >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > > >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > > >>> > > >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > > >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > > >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > > >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > > >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > > >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > > >>>in the best of systems. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > > >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > > >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > > >>>somehow change notwithstanding. > > >>> > > >>>-- Ron > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>You > > >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, > which > > >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > > >>>>changed or replaced. > > >>>> > > >>>>John Walker > > >>>> > > >>>>Warren wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > > >>>>>From: "Ron" > > >>>>>To: > > >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > > >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>Warren, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > > >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > > >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > > >>>>>>a moot point for me. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > > >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > > >>>>>spindle wear .... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > > >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>-- if > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > > >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > > >>>>>centering a record is it? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > > >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > > >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > > >>>>> > > >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > > >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > > >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>Have a good weekend too > > >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) > > >>>>>Warren ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 26 17:01:39 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:01:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> Message-ID: <3D932153.8070509@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> LOL Well that knocked me clean out of my ivory tower. I have never heard of a Nakamichi Schmuck. It would be bound to have automatic azimuth adjustment though. It sounds more like a French soft drink, doesn't it? (That one was actually callled Pshitt. I kid you not.) Can we start a thread on the wonderfully named Mitsubishi Pajero, please???? T.Ward wrote: >Hi, >What's a "schmuck"??? > >Did Nakamichi make one?? > >P.A >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Walker" >To: >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:30 AM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > >>Ron >> >>I don't believe that you have a complete theory. You have all of the >>text books on electrical engineering, and I will not dispute what they >>say. But you are refusing to accept the experimental evidence. This is >>because you refuse to credit the human ear with much ability. You seem >>to have an underpining assumption that the ear has about the same >>performance as the last piece of measuring equipment that you just threw >>away and replaced with something better. Your theories are usually based >>on an argument: "equipment X will measure at 0.000Y% or -Z dB, and the >>poor schmuck of a human can't *possibly* hope to compete with that!. It >>has "Tektronix" written on it! " >> >>You ought to consider that the schmuck might really be a whole lot >>better, if only you could work out what it was that you had to measure >>to characterise the system (Instead of measuring what you can, and >>hoping that that will be enough.) >> >>Can't you accept that there might be lower order signal properties that >>we can hear, but that we (you and I) might find hard to measure? The >>human hearing system evolved to protect us from danger first and >>foremost, and it has a complex processing system (the brain) on the back >>of it to extract the important signal from all the other dreck This >>system is still widely acknowledged to have substantially higher >>processing abilities than even the latest array of digital processors >>humming away in a radar/sonar/mobile phone network or whatever. After >>all, certain bats have got a matched filter echo-location system that >>we have only recently been able to replicate in a DSP system. >> >>What parameters does the ear use? Can you measure non-stationarity or >>small departures from Gaussian noise with a 'scope? How about adaptive >>thresholding? What process does the ear use to cancel out noise - the >>cocktail party effect? It must be using complex time-domain and spatial >>filtering techniques. You cannot characterise processing systems like >>these with a single parameter like 'distortion' or 'flutter'. This takes >>us back to my own underlying point: we tend to time average to make a >>measurement, but the ear almost certainly does not, because the >>important signals are transient. >> >>That is also why the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America (my >>favourite bedtime read) is full of articles on psycho-acoustics. >> >>Now I think that audio is as important as your 'rocket science machine' >>stuff because it is pushing the boundaries. In my experience, digital >>processing systems have worked really well in radars/sonars/phone >>networks, but not so well in audio. Things are getting better, but >>clearly 16-bits and 44.1 kHz did not work anything like as well as the >>theory said it would. Most of us expected 'Perfect Sound', and it took >>me a while to fully appreciate just how limited the original CD sound >>was! So audio is pushing the technology out to 24-bits and higher >>sampling rates just as much as sonar or radar or mobile comms. >> >>The complex engineering projects that you cite have often worked >>exactly like the original CD. "Well the theory says it should be >>alright, so I don't really know why it sounds so screechy." That is why >>most space-craft or fighters or synthetic aperture radars use the >>discipline of System Engineering, and start from User Requirements, and >>spend most of the money on the interfaces between sub-systems. >>Engineering systems that are built around a "Single Dominant Theoretical >>Concept" usually fail because insufficient attention is paid to the more >>mundane user and interfacing issues. >> >> >>Ron wrote: >> >> >> >>>John Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, >>>>(My turn) >>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of >>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. >>>> >>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a >>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of >>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small >>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to >>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun >>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points >>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got >>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the >>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by >>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain >>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well >>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an >>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up >>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental >>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called >>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still >>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed >>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an >>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed >>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set >>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one >>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In >>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became >>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the >>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with >>>>a new one. >>>> >>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere >>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new >>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the >>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. >>>Let me point out a few fallacies: >>> >>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' >>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact >>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory >>>is valid. >>> >>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube >>>design' that you are talking about all became a >>>reality through that same theory (electrical >>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new >>>marketing claims. >>> >>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from >>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people >>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the >>>same people through a *valid* listening test and >>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has >>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you >>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against >>>valid DBTs? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>It does not matter >>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less >>>>critical pieces of equipment. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this >>>myth. >>> >>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical >>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. >>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory >>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical >>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around >>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small >>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of >>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. >>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really >>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a >>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages >>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>There is a very complex and poorly >>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human >>>>auditory system! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective >>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound >>>field in your listening space that existed on the >>>recording stage (or the closest approximation >>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your >>>room the same auditory sensation you would have >>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a >>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, >>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the >>>engineering theory, but with your subjective >>>perception of sound. >>> >>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you >>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference >>>between what you physically hear and what you think >>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. >>> >>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of >>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. >>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should >>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of >>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to >>>>characterise the performance of an audio >>>>reproduction system for a human listener. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, >>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect >>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. >>> >>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog >>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, >>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was >>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better >>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits >>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only >>>in the best of systems. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least >>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, >>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will >>>somehow change notwithstanding. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>You >>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which >>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be >>>>changed or replaced. >>>> >>>>John Walker >>>> >>>>Warren wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Ron" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Warren, >>>>>> >>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>>>>>a moot point for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >>>>>spindle wear .... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. >>>>> >>>>>-- if >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >>>>>centering a record is it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) >>>>> >>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. >>>>> >>>>>Have a good weekend too >>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) >>>>>Warren >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >-========= > > >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>>> >>>>> >resource. > > >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >-========= > > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >========= > > >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >resource. > > >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>> >>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >========= > > >>>> >>>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >resource. > > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >> >> >======== > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >> >> >resource. > > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >> >> >> >========------------------------------------------------------------------== >======= > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From greynolds at newsguy.com Thu Sep 26 17:42:33 2002 From: greynolds at newsguy.com (greynolds at newsguy.com) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 11:42:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Trimming Posts References: <200209261247.OAA20366@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <006701c26573$66d86fa0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Just a thought, but as a digest subscriber, I seem to have become a non-digest subscriber over the last few days as people are quoting the entire thread they're responding too. It looks like the digester sends out a digest for roughly every 20k of messages. So I for one would appreciate it if people would take a moment to trim out extra quoted text that isn't needed to support what you have to say in your response. Thanks, -- Geoffrey Reynolds http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 26 17:55:39 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:55:39 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <000001c264d4$7f6cdb40$5900a8c0@SUPPORT.RENTANAPT.COM> <3D9311FA.86F899FC@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D932DFB.8010501@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. But, for the rest of you, sorry if the John vs Ron show gets a bit much at times. Ron wrote: >John wrote: > > >>[....] >> >>Man, to me, all this 'going around in circles' would take a few years off my >>life. >> >> > >I don't know why. I find such discussions very interesting. >They force me to reevaluate a stance I have always taken >for granted. > >-- Ron > > > > >>Cal John. >> >>Cueing up some vinyl, cracking a cool one, & tapping my toe. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of >>John Walker >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 1:12 PM >>To: naktalk at naks.com >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >>Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers >>I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard >>of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect >>of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal >>itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. >> >>The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation >>so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that >>the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will >>respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid >>assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this >>perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag >>between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the >>cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records >>always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the >>groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the >>equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is >>undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of >>band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is >>"does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain >>stage"? >> >>Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the >>Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or >>electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have >>in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick >>did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) >> >>John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as >>pitch >> >>Ron wrote: >> >> >> >>>Stephen Sank wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: >>>>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we >>>>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a >>>>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and >>>>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much >>>>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the >>>>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. >>>>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus >>>>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much >>>>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the >>>>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is >>>'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics >>>of it. >>> >>>We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity >>>will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of >>>wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a >>>single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I >>>did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. >>>Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of >>>my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). >>> >>>It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT >>>in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any >>>of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note >>>that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. >>> >>>No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) >>>any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is >>>audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, >>>compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are >>>eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. >>>It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is >>>minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying >>>decisions on this gut feeling. >>> >>>-- Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>>>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>>>http://stephensank.com >>>>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >>>>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] >>>>505-332-0336 >>>>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>>>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Ron" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>John Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, >>>>>>(My turn) >>>>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of >>>>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. >>>>>> >>>>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a >>>>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of >>>>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small >>>>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to >>>>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun >>>>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points >>>>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got >>>>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the >>>>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by >>>>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain >>>>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well >>>>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an >>>>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up >>>>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental >>>>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called >>>>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still >>>>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed >>>>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an >>>>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed >>>>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set >>>>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one >>>>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In >>>>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became >>>>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the >>>>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with >>>>>>a new one. >>>>>> >>>>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere >>>>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new >>>>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the >>>>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. >>>>>Let me point out a few fallacies: >>>>> >>>>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' >>>>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact >>>>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory >>>>>is valid. >>>>> >>>>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube >>>>>design' that you are talking about all became a >>>>>reality through that same theory (electrical >>>>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new >>>>>marketing claims. >>>>> >>>>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from >>>>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people >>>>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the >>>>>same people through a *valid* listening test and >>>>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has >>>>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you >>>>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against >>>>>valid DBTs? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>It does not matter >>>>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less >>>>>>critical pieces of equipment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this >>>>>myth. >>>>> >>>>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical >>>>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. >>>>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory >>>>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical >>>>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around >>>>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small >>>>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of >>>>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. >>>>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really >>>>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a >>>>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages >>>>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>There is a very complex and poorly >>>>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human >>>>>>auditory system! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective >>>>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound >>>>>field in your listening space that existed on the >>>>>recording stage (or the closest approximation >>>>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your >>>>>room the same auditory sensation you would have >>>>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a >>>>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, >>>>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the >>>>>engineering theory, but with your subjective >>>>>perception of sound. >>>>> >>>>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you >>>>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference >>>>>between what you physically hear and what you think >>>>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. >>>>> >>>>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of >>>>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. >>>>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should >>>>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of >>>>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to >>>>>>characterise the performance of an audio >>>>>>reproduction system for a human listener. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, >>>>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect >>>>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. >>>>> >>>>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog >>>>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, >>>>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was >>>>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better >>>>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits >>>>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only >>>>>in the best of systems. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least >>>>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, >>>>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will >>>>>somehow change notwithstanding. >>>>> >>>>>-- Ron >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>You >>>>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which >>>>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be >>>>>>changed or replaced. >>>>>> >>>>>>John Walker >>>>>> >>>>>>Warren wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>From: "Ron" >>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Warren, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>>>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>>>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>>>>>>>a moot point for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >>>>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >>>>>>>spindle wear .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >>>>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-- if >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>>>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >>>>>>>centering a record is it? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>>>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>>>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>>>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >>>>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Have a good weekend too >>>>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) >>>>>>>Warren >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>-= >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>======== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>resource. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>========----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>-= >> >> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>======== >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>== >> >> >>>>======= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>resource. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>== >> >> >>>>======= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>== >> >> >>>>======= >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>resource. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>== >> >> >>>>======= >>>> >>>> >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>========= >> >> >>>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>>> >>>> >>resource. >> >> >>>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>>========------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> >>========= >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>> >>> >>resource. >> >> >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------= >>> >>> >>======== >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck >>resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------== >>======= >> >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >> >> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 26 18:00:10 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:00:10 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <026301c264b5$cb2a4b40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D920DDF.BBA6532E@rcn.com> <3D921883.4070100@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <02bf01c264fa$99015c40$1c3442cf@cta> <3D9317E4.EBE2D967@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D932F0A.4000504@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron wrote "I am sure that anyone that goes out and buys the Dragon TT will find the improvement amazingly significant" Then John wrote To square the circle (punnish behaviour fully intended), anyone who shells out seven grand for an item with a unique feature has got a pretty compelling reason (or seven thousand of them) to find the improvement amazingly significant I guess that the pair of us can stand four square on that. Ron wrote: >Stephen Sank wrote: > > >>John, I believe you nailed it. >> >> > >See my response to John. > >I find that often, purist audiophiles will cite a well >known (and valid) physical phenomenon to support claims, >referring to its effect as 'massive'. Upon investigation, >it turns out that the effect is either irrelevant, or >-- once actual magnitude is calculated -- turns out to >be infinitesimal. > >In this case, in addition to the filtering action of the >arm, I neglected to mention the extremely low (next to >zero) 0.5Hz response of magnetic cartridges. > > > >> Yes, considering how much cleaner the cheap >>M92E sounded after centering, it must be a resonance-induced distortion >>thing. >> >> > >Resonance at 0.5Hz????? That would be one horrendously >poor TT/arm/cartridge design. > > > >> But I believe it is how this resonance disturbs the actual tracking >>of the waveform,..... >> >> > >Not to get into signal theory here, but even assuming the >0.5Hz signal is actually present, it cannot affect the >groove modulation signal in a linear cartridge. Any >quality cartridge is a highly linear device (certainly, >the Shure V-15 is). > >--------- > >I am not refuting the possibility of some improvement from >centering of some eccentric LPs. I do maintain that in the >greater scheme of things, this possible improvement does not >warrant action for *me*. I am sure that anyone that goes out >and buys the Dragon TT will find the improvement amazingly >significant. > >-- Ron > > > > > >>since the subsonic filter in the Apt Holman we often used >>for demo was before the first active gain stage, so overload is unlikely to >>be occurring. >>I can only recall selling two Dragon CT tables over about a four year >>period, so I am quite sure they didn't sell well generally. They were >>considered a very high priced table at the time(although $1740 retail seemed >>even then a bargain to me), and it was also quite large, compared to the >>average table. >> >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>http://stephensank.com >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] >>505-332-0336 >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John Walker" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 2:11 PM >>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >> >> >> >>>Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers >>>I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard >>>of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect >>>of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal >>>itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, >>> >>> >>please. >> >> >>>The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation >>>so that it can track warps. I guess therefore that if we assume that >>>the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will >>>respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid >>>assumption for a unipivot.) But I cannot imagine that the arm does this >>>perfectly. There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag >>>between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the >>>cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records >>>always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the >>>groove. The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the >>>equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is >>>undetectable to the human eye?). The result will be a massive out of >>>band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is >>>"does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain >>>stage"? >>> >>>Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the >>>Pink and buy a Nak instead! Whereabouts is the first mechanical or >>>electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have >>>in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick >>>did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) >>> >>>John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as >>>pitch >>> >>>Ron wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Stephen Sank wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: >>>>>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, >>>>> >>>>> >>we >> >> >>>>>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a >>>>>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, >>>>> >>>>> >>and >> >> >>>>>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much >>>>>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, >>>>> >>>>> >>the >> >> >>>>>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. >>>>>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus >>>>>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much >>>>>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the >>>>>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is >>>>'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics >>>>of it. >>>> >>>>We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity >>>>will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of >>>>wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a >>>>single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I >>>>did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. >>>>Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of >>>>my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). >>>> >>>>It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT >>>>in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any >>>>of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note >>>>that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. >>>> >>>>No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) >>>>any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is >>>>audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, >>>>compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are >>>>eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. >>>>It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is >>>>minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying >>>>decisions on this gut feeling. >>>> >>>>-- Ron >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer >>>>>Talking Dog Transducer Company >>>>>http://stephensank.com >>>>>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. >>>>>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] >>>>>505-332-0336 >>>>>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer >>>>>Payments preferred through Paypal.com >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "Ron" >>>>>To: >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:23 AM >>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>John Walker wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, >>>>>>>(My turn) >>>>>>>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of >>>>>>>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>a >> >> >>>>>>>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>of >> >> >>>>>>>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>small >> >> >>>>>>>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>to >> >> >>>>>>>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>sun >> >> >>>>>>>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>points >> >> >>>>>>>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got >>>>>>>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the >>>>>>>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by >>>>>>>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>explain >> >> >>>>>>>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well >>>>>>>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an >>>>>>>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>up >> >> >>>>>>>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental >>>>>>>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>called >> >> >>>>>>>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>still >> >> >>>>>>>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed >>>>>>>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an >>>>>>approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed >>>>>>attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set >>>>>>in as speed approaches the speed of light. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one >>>>>>>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In >>>>>>>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became >>>>>>>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the >>>>>>>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>with >> >> >>>>>>>a new one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere >>>>>>>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new >>>>>>>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the >>>>>>>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. >>>>>>Let me point out a few fallacies: >>>>>> >>>>>>The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' >>>>>>was used to design and build the equipment. The fact >>>>>>that it works as expected is proof that the theory >>>>>>is valid. >>>>>> >>>>>>The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube >>>>>>design' that you are talking about all became a >>>>>>reality through that same theory (electrical >>>>>>engineering). No new theory was used, just new >>>>>>marketing claims. >>>>>> >>>>>>There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from >>>>>>sincere listeners...', just a small group of people >>>>>>that possess an overactive imagination. Put the >>>>>>same people through a *valid* listening test and >>>>>>all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has >>>>>>been proved again and again and again. Why do you >>>>>>think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against >>>>>>valid DBTs? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>It does not matter >>>>>>>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less >>>>>>>critical pieces of equipment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this >>>>>>myth. >>>>>> >>>>>>There are very few 'pieces of less critical >>>>>>equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. >>>>>>These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory >>>>>>works' support scientific instrumentation, medical >>>>>>devices, save lives, put people into orbit around >>>>>>the earth and measure physical quantities too small >>>>>>for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of >>>>>>one millionth of a second), to name just a few. >>>>>>They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really >>>>>>imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a >>>>>>critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages >>>>>>to show how wrong electrical engineering is? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>There is a very complex and poorly >>>>>>>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human >>>>>>>auditory system! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective >>>>>>hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound >>>>>>field in your listening space that existed on the >>>>>>recording stage (or the closest approximation >>>>>>possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your >>>>>>room the same auditory sensation you would have >>>>>>perceived during the recording. If you hear a >>>>>>difference between two identical acoustical samples, >>>>>>than it certainly has nothing to do with the >>>>>>engineering theory, but with your subjective >>>>>>perception of sound. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you >>>>>>sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference >>>>>>between what you physically hear and what you think >>>>>>you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. >>>>>> >>>>>>Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of >>>>>>perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. >>>>>>This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should >>>>>>>have produced. The classic example of the failure of >>>>>>>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to >>>>>>>characterise the performance of an audio >>>>>>>reproduction system for a human listener. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, >>>>>>frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect >>>>>>sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. >>>>>> >>>>>>Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog >>>>>>sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, >>>>>>is a function of the number of bits employed. It was >>>>>>deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better >>>>>>the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits >>>>>>are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only >>>>>>in the best of systems. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least >>>>>>>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, >>>>>>I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will >>>>>>somehow change notwithstanding. >>>>>> >>>>>>-- Ron >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>You >>>>>>>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>which >> >> >>>>>>>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be >>>>>>>changed or replaced. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John Walker >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Warren wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>From: "Ron" >>>>>>>>To: >>>>>>>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Warren, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center >>>>>>>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I >>>>>>>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this >>>>>>>>>a moot point for me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties >>>>>>>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also >>>>>>>>spindle wear .... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to >>>>>>>>try soemthing before you comment on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-- if >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved >>>>>>>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly >>>>>>>>centering a record is it? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no >>>>>>>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious >>>>>>>>>issue of LP eccentricity? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era >>>>>>>>>when LPs were a major program source)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any >>>>>>>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Have a good weekend too >>>>>>>>next week its cables and caps :-) >>>>>>>>Warren >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 26 18:24:04 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:24:04 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> <3D932153.8070509@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000e01c26579$223f09c0$b21a9bca@smarzuki> Quite difficult keeping a constant tension on that particular nak model ! But i don't get what's so dirty about Mitsu Pajero's name .... =) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West LOL Well that knocked me clean out of my ivory tower. I have never heard of a Nakamichi Schmuck. It would be bound to have automatic azimuth adjustment though. It sounds more like a French soft drink, doesn't it? (That one was actually callled Pshitt. I kid you not.) Can we start a thread on the wonderfully named Mitsubishi Pajero, please???? T.Ward wrote: >Hi, >What's a "schmuck"??? > >Did Nakamichi make one?? > >P.A >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Walker" >To: naktalk at naks.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Thu Sep 26 18:20:47 2002 From: john at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:20:47 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> <3D932153.8070509@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <000e01c26579$223f09c0$b21a9bca@smarzuki> Message-ID: <3D9333DF.7090208@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I understand that it means something particularly unpleasant in Spanish - to be Biblical, "a follower of the way of Onan, who was cast out of the tribe of Israel (or whomever) for spilling his seed on the ground". Marketing people like to think that our choice of car says somethiing about us. But in this case, the owners appeared to be saying far more than they intended! John Walker Salim Marzuki wrote: >Quite difficult keeping a constant tension on that particular nak model ! > >But i don't get what's so dirty about Mitsu Pajero's name .... =) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Walker >To: naktalk at naks.com >Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:01 PM >Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > >LOL Well that knocked me clean out of my ivory tower. I have never heard >of a Nakamichi Schmuck. It would be bound to have automatic azimuth >adjustment though. It sounds more like a French soft drink, doesn't it? >(That one was actually callled Pshitt. I kid you not.) > >Can we start a thread on the wonderfully named Mitsubishi Pajero, please???? > >T.Ward wrote: > > > >>Hi, >>What's a "schmuck"??? >> >>Did Nakamichi make one?? >> >>P.A >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "John Walker" >>To: naktalk at naks.com >> >> > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From smarzuki at indosat.net.id Thu Sep 26 19:03:25 2002 From: smarzuki at indosat.net.id (Salim Marzuki) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 00:03:25 +0700 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <005601c26535$99c21260$fc5d883e@x205140603> <3D932153.8070509@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <000e01c26579$223f09c0$b21a9bca@smarzuki> <3D9333DF.7090208@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <001d01c2657e$a11b49c0$b21a9bca@smarzuki> So I guess saying I need to go and wash my dirty Pajero is strictly a no-no in spanish ??? BTW saying (Linn) Mimik is close to raising eyebrows over here ... (also Genki in Japan). SM ----- Original Message ----- From: John Walker To: naktalk at naks.com Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West I understand that it means something particularly unpleasant in Spanish - to be Biblical, "a follower of the way of Onan, who was cast out of the tribe of Israel (or whomever) for spilling his seed on the ground". Marketing people like to think that our choice of car says somethiing about us. But in this case, the owners appeared to be saying far more than they intended! John Walker Salim Marzuki wrote: >Quite difficult keeping a constant tension on that particular nak model ! > >But i don't get what's so dirty about Mitsu Pajero's name .... =) > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From jberger at well.com Thu Sep 26 18:48:48 2002 From: jberger at well.com (John Berger) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:48:48 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2689 In-Reply-To: <200209261243.OAA20337@zebra.naks.com> Message-ID: <000401c2657c$96c15d40$590aa8c0@phil> Like Steven, I sold Dragon turntables in their era (OK,I sold one, but we had one at the store to demo with), and there was defininitely a subtle improvement once a record was centered. I'm wondering if the difference was due, not to eliminating an inaudible .5 Hz wow, but to eliminating the time change that the wow would make in where the left and right sides of the stylus contact the groove. The pivot point of the arm is a fixed point (on radial arm turntables, anyway). Ideally, the points where the stylus contacts the vinyl would be perpindicular to the arm all along the record (due to arm geometry, it only reaches that at two points on the record, but it's a smooth progression over 25 minutes or so). If the cartridge was skewed out of alignment, the line of contact would no longer be perpindicular, and one side or the other would make contact with the vinyl before the other. This would result in the left channel signal being advanced in time compared to the right channel signal. Now, imagine this alignment change occurring like a slowly rocking boat, one that rocks left for a second, then back right for a second, left.....right.....left.....right.... As it's rocking, the time advancement changes to the left channel, back to the right, left...right... You end up with an image that rocks back and forth, very subtlely, just like that boat. -----Original Message----- From: owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk-digest at naks.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 5:43 AM To: naktalk-digest at naks.com Subject: naktalk-digest V2 #2689 naktalk-digest Thursday, September 26 2002 Volume 02 : Number 2689 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:51:45 -0400 From: Ron Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West John Walker wrote: > > Ron, Stephen, Naktalkers > I know absolutely nothing about the Nak turntable, and had never heard > of it before I subscribed to this group. I can think of another effect > of record eccentricity - the amplitude of the low frequency signal > itself. Now I'm thinking out loud here, so do not bite my head off, please. > > The arm certainly responds in the vertical plane to a similar excitation > so that it can track warps. Let's think this out together... The ideal arm has zero mass when subjected to slow motion (so that is can perfectly track warp and eccentricity) and infinite mass to fast motion (so that it does not move in response to groove modulation, thus forcing stylus motion). In practice, this is obviously impossible to achieve. Most hi-end arms attempt to emulate this, employing one means or another. The most common approach involves the use of high viscosity damping at the pivots. This results in high resistance to fast motion (emulating high mass: groove undulations cannot move the arm, causing the stylus to track faithfully) and low resistance to slow motion (arm easily responds to warp, making it transparent to the stylus). > I guess therefore that if we assume that > the bearings in the two planes have similar responses, the arm will > respond similarly in the horizontal plane. (Definitely a valid > assumption for a unipivot.) All designs I am familiar with put a lot of damping in the vertical plane (combating warp) and little or nothing in the horizontal plane (which would deal with record eccentricity. I guess the designers don't think much about the latter problem. > But I cannot imagine that the arm does this > perfectly. Well, Fairly close. That's because warp and eccentricity occur at ~0.5Hz and audio starts at ~30Hz -- six octaves higher. > There has got to be some kind of overshoot or time lag > between excitation and response. If my hypothesis is right, then the > cartridge will see residual low frequency modulation. Warped records > always sound constricted to me even if the cartridge is holding onto the > groove. True, but warp is measured in inches while eccentricity is measured in thous (thou = 1/1000 of an inch). > The amplitude of this modulation will be much higher than the > equivalent groove modulation (30 dB up, say, even if the eccentricity is > undetectable to the human eye?). Why do you think so? Peak-to-peak groove modulation is on the order of 4 thou (there are roughly 180 grooves per inch). Eccentricity is less than 0.1% -- about the same amplitude. Since the eccentricity signal is filtered out by the damping mentioned above, it is far, far less than the groove modulation signal. > The result will be a massive out of > band signal that will be filtered out somewhere. The crucial question is > "does the signal get filtered before it has overloaded an active gain > stage"? I think you should take 'massive' out of the above. Then, where the tiny 0.5Hz signal is filtered becomes a non-issue. BTW, it will be filtered out by the first AC coupled stage, by the same filter put there to combat warp. > Help me out here, guys, I'm trying to decide whether I should sell the > Pink and buy a Nak instead! I wouldn't. BTW, my ReVox does an incredibly good job of filtering horizontal wow out. It's failing is in the mediocre job of filtering out vertical wow, which is why it benefits so much from the Shure V-15 brush, that affords excellent vertical damping. - -- Ron > Whereabouts is the first mechanical or > electrical high pass filter in this system? What safeguards do we have > in place? (Of course, no record is perfectly flat either, so what trick > did Nakamichi come up with to flatten records?) > > John Walker, all at sea, and worrying about periodic sideslip as well as > pitch > > Ron wrote: > > >Stephen Sank wrote: > > > > > >>I'm pretty sure I've told this before, but again: > >>I used to sell Dragon CT turntables. To demo the auto-center feature, we > >>had a cheap Shure M92E on the Dragon, and a $250 Shure V15V-MR on a > >>respectable conventional table. We'd then take a record, ANY record, and > >>compare the sound. Of course, the table with the V15 sounded very much > >>better. We then did the auto-centering. Suddenly, and consistently, the > >>cheap M92E on the Dragon sounded markedly better than the V15V-MR. > >>If you think about how even a tiny eccentricity will have the stylus > >>"wagging" back & forth in the groove, it's not hard to imagine how much > >>effect it has on image stability & how well the tip edges trace the > >>waveforms on each wall of the groove. Purely physics, Ron! > >> > >> > > > >Well, I think I addressed this as well... Since this is > >'Purely physics, Ron!', let's take a look at the physics > >of it. > > > >We know that the most obvious effect of record eccentricity > >will be wow at roughly 0.5Hz. We also know that threshold of > >wow audibility is less than 0.1%. Since I can't recall a > >single record of mine with wow (I would just chuck it if I > >did), I must conclude that all are concentric to within 0.1%. > >Thus, for me, this is a non-issue. (I concede that if 40% of > >my LPs were defective, this would be a huge issue). > > > >It is interesting to note that Stereophile's $100K 'best TT > >in the world' does not center the record. Neither does any > >of their other Class A TTs. It is also interesting to note > >that no other manufacturer has a centering TT on the market. > > > >No, I can't really state centering brings (or doesn't bring) > >any improvement; or whether the improvement, if any, is > >audible -- I have never heard the Dragon; let alone, > >compared it. Since you have, you may claim that all LPs are > >eccentric and that the improvement goes beyond wow reduction. > >It is my gut feeling, FWIW, that the improvement, if any, is > >minute to non-existent with most LPs. I base my buying > >decisions on this gut feeling. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >>Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer > >>Talking Dog Transducer Company > >>http://stephensank.com > >>1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. > >>Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] > >>505-332-0336 > >>Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer > >>Payments preferred through Paypal.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From summarex at yahoo.com Fri Sep 27 07:33:18 2002 From: summarex at yahoo.com (Javier Perez) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 22:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [naktalk] Trimming Posts In-Reply-To: <006701c26573$66d86fa0$6401a8c0@reynoldsghome> Message-ID: <20020927053318.36109.qmail@web10502.mail.yahoo.com> You mean like this? --- greynolds at newsguy.com wrote: > Just a thought, but as a digest subscriber, I seem > to have become a > non-digest subscriber over the last few days as > people are quoting the > entire thread they're responding too. It looks like > the digester sends out > a digest for roughly every 20k of messages. > > So I for one would appreciate it if people would > take a moment to trim out > extra quoted text that isn't needed to support what > you have to say in your > response. > > Thanks, > -- > Geoffrey Reynolds > http://www.geocities.com/landrovah/crestron.html > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial > Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK > http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 27 15:18:33 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:18:33 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <20020920.224304.-188789.17.josephj69@juno.com> <3D8C694C.7ED25853@rcn.com> <06e001c2618a$b290a440$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8CB55B.4DA103D5@rcn.com> <0aa601c261f8$7fe6a1c0$45ed3fd0@oemcomputer> <3D8D8378.8040209@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> <3D91B8BC.E5D297E9@rcn.com> <3D92B7B3.4090604@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D945AA9.B39C4AE7@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Ron > > I don't believe that you have a complete theory. You have all of the > text books on electrical engineering, and I will not dispute what they > say. But you are refusing to accept the experimental evidence. There is no 'experimental' evidence. All I hear is anecdotal claims. > This is > because you refuse to credit the human ear with much ability. You missed the point. With all the ear's failings, the Achilles heel of your 'evidence' is the brain that processes what the ear hears. Some call it 'The Placebo Effect'. Once controlled through DBTs, the 'evidence' evaporates. > You seem > to have an underpining assumption that the ear has about the same > performance as the last piece of measuring equipment that you just threw > away and replaced with something better. Your theories are usually based > on an argument: "equipment X will measure at 0.000Y% or -Z dB, and the > poor schmuck of a human can't *possibly* hope to compete with that!. It > has "Tektronix" written on it! " Where did you get all this? Not from what I posted. Our hearing does have serious limitations, but I didn't discuss them. > You ought to consider that the schmuck might really be a whole lot > better, if only you could work out what it was that you had to measure > to characterise the system (Instead of measuring what you can, and > hoping that that will be enough.) Well, I think it's pretty clear what needs to be measured. Unfortunately, neither manufacturers not reviewers find it in their interest to do it. Neither will the bulk of the public understand the results. > Can't you accept that there might be lower order signal properties that > we can hear, but that we (you and I) might find hard to measure? The issue is not whether we can measure it, but whether it exists. You thought it was possible, now you seem to assert it does exist. I cannot say for sure it doesn't, but think it is very highly unlikely. The difference between us that I *know* the characteristics of signals, electrical properties of cables, etc. Do you? > human hearing system evolved to protect us from danger first and > foremost, and it has a complex processing system (the brain) on the back > of it to extract the important signal from all the other dreck This > system is still widely acknowledged to have substantially higher > processing abilities than even the latest array of digital processors > humming away in a radar/sonar/mobile phone network or whatever. After > all, certain bats have got a matched filter echo-location system that > we have only recently been able to replicate in a DSP system. > > What parameters does the ear use? Can you measure non-stationarity or > small departures from Gaussian noise with a 'scope? How about adaptive > thresholding? What process does the ear use to cancel out noise - the > cocktail party effect? It must be using complex time-domain and spatial > filtering techniques. You cannot characterise processing systems like > these with a single parameter like 'distortion' or 'flutter'. This takes > us back to my own underlying point: we tend to time average to make a > measurement, but the ear almost certainly does not, because the > important signals are transient. > > That is also why the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America (my > favourite bedtime read) is full of articles on psycho-acoustics. All this is immaterial. If two sound systems manage to provide (physically) the same reproduced sound, then the same ear should perceive them as the same, regardless of its characteristics. > Now I think that audio is as important as your 'rocket science machine' > stuff because it is pushing the boundaries. In my experience, digital > processing systems have worked really well in radars/sonars/phone > networks, but not so well in audio. Things are getting better, but > clearly 16-bits and 44.1 kHz did not work anything like as well as the > theory said it would. Actually, they worked *exactly* as expected. > Most of us expected 'Perfect Sound'... Because you believed the copy writers. You should have asked the engineers. > ... and it took > me a while to fully appreciate just how limited the original CD sound > was! So audio is pushing the technology out to 24-bits and higher > sampling rates just as much as sonar or radar or mobile comms. Going to 24 bits is not 'pushing the technology', but changing the design parameters. Same applies to 192 KS/Sec. > The complex engineering projects that you cite have often worked > exactly like the original CD. "Well the theory says it should be > alright, so I don't really know why it sounds so screechy." Again, you are assuming the the CD does not behave as designed. That's false. > That is why > most space-craft or fighters or synthetic aperture radars use the > discipline of System Engineering, and start from User Requirements, and > spend most of the money on the interfaces between sub-systems. > Engineering systems that are built around a "Single Dominant Theoretical > Concept" usually fail because insufficient attention is paid to the more > mundane user and interfacing issues. And how do you think a power amp project starts? Exactly the same. Unless the company wants to lose money. ---------------------------------------- To conclude this exchange (it's getting far afield), let me quote from Stereophile's review of the Halcro dm58 power amp, that their PAJ (Professional Audio Journalist) dubs 'above mere mortal amps': Another boundary-stretching aspect of the Halcro's sound was its silence. Its background was not the outer-space void of a stream of digital zeros but the taut, deep silence of an empty concert hall -- a living silence just waiting to be energized by sound." Now, here we have a PAJ that claims there are two kind of silence, that depend on the venue. The first, occurring in deep space (how does he know? has he been there?) and brought about by a 'stream of digital zeros' (a totally meaningless phrase); the other, occurring in empty halls, is 'taut', 'deep', 'living' and 'waiting to be energized'. The audio engineer will laugh his head off and tell the PAJ that silence is the lack of sound; it's always the same, regardless of where it occurs. Silence is silence is silence. The PAJ will retort that he clearly heard the various silences in question and there is no mistaking their individual characteristics. Some readers will swallow this line of hooey and immediately claim that the engineer's science comes short of measuring the different kinds of silence clearly heard by the PAJ. An amp that looks like a night stand, costs $25K, is 31" high and weighs 125 lb.. *must* have a different silence than your average power amp. After a while, the engineer will tire of trying to inform the masses. He will go to his family room to listen to some soothing music. Slow fadeout... -- Ron > > Ron wrote: > > >John Walker wrote: > > > > > >>Ron, fellow Naktalkers, > >>(My turn) > >>I don't have a view on whether or not a self-centring turntable is of > >>any value. But I do have views on 'science' and audio. > >> > >>Well over a hundred years ago, a physicist called Michelson developed a > >>very precise method of measuring the speed of light. After many years of > >>polishing the method, it was sufficiently accurate to measure very small > >>variations. So Michelson and his partner Morley applied their method to > >>measure the motion of the earth relative to the sun, first when the sun > >>was approaching the earth, then when it was receding at different points > >>on the earth's orbit. To their complete and utter confusion, they got > >>*exactly* the same result for the speed of light regardless of the > >>earth's motion relative to the source. The experiment was repeated by > >>other workers and confirmed. And for twenty years, no-one could explain > >>this anomalous result, which flew in the face of the very, very well > >>accepted laws of motion that had been deduced by Isaac Newton. Then an > >>underachieving Swiss post office worker by the name of Einstein came up > >>with a completely new theory that was able to explain the experimental > >>result. This theory, which flies in the face of common sense, is called > >>special relativity, and has replaced Newton's laws. (Newton's laws still > >>work at slower speeds than the speed of light, but as the speed > >>increases, the differences become more and more apparent.) > >> > >> > > > >To be more precise, classical mechanical physics is an > >approximation that is extremely accurate at any speed > >attainable by a physical object. Inaccuracies only set > >in as speed approaches the speed of light. > > > > > > > >>Now this is a classic example of the scientific method, where one > >>proposes a theory, then designs an experiment to test this theory. In > >>this case, it took a long time before the experimental method became > >>good enough to test the theory at near light speed. But, once the > >>experimental result was established, the theory had to be replaced with > >>a new one. > >> > >>My point: if there is sufficient experimental evidence from sincere > >>listeners that such and such an effect is audible (new capacitors, new > >>cable, different tube design, whatever) then your theory of how the > >>equipment works is wrong, and needs to be replaced. > >> > >> > > > >Not only 'not necessarily' but 'highly unlikely'. > >Let me point out a few fallacies: > > > >The theory (not 'my' theory) of 'how equipment works' > >was used to design and build the equipment. The fact > >that it works as expected is proof that the theory > >is valid. > > > >The 'new capacitors', 'new cable', 'different tube > >design' that you are talking about all became a > >reality through that same theory (electrical > >engineering). No new theory was used, just new > >marketing claims. > > > >There is no 'sufficient experimental evidence from > >sincere listeners...', just a small group of people > >that possess an overactive imagination. Put the > >same people through a *valid* listening test and > >all their sonic perceptions disappear -- this has > >been proved again and again and again. Why do you > >think are the "Audio Purists" so adamantly against > >valid DBTs? > > > > > > > >>It does not matter > >>how clever the equations look, nor how well the theory works for less > >>critical pieces of equipment. > >> > >> > > > >Actually, it does matter, so let's deal with this > >myth. > > > >There are very few 'pieces of less critical > >equipment' outside of entertainment electronics. > >These 'clever equations' and 'how well the theory > >works' support scientific instrumentation, medical > >devices, save lives, put people into orbit around > >the earth and measure physical quantities too small > >for the mind to conceive (such as one millionth of > >one millionth of a second), to name just a few. > >They all work *exactly* as expected. Do you really > >imagine that some audio power amplifier is 'a > >critical piece of equipment' that somehow manages > >to show how wrong electrical engineering is? > > > > > > > >>There is a very complex and poorly > >>understood item of equipment at the heart of all this: the human > >>auditory system! > >> > >> > > > >Audio Engineering is not about what your subjective > >hearing. It's about creating the same physical sound > >field in your listening space that existed on the > >recording stage (or the closest approximation > >possible). Presumably, you'd than perceive in your > >room the same auditory sensation you would have > >perceived during the recording. If you hear a > >difference between two identical acoustical samples, > >than it certainly has nothing to do with the > >engineering theory, but with your subjective > >perception of sound. > > > >Sound you hear is filtered by your brain before you > >sense is as sound. This accounts for the difference > >between what you physically hear and what you think > >you hear, not the cable, capacitor or green ink. > > > >Another myth: our ears are sensitive and capable of > >perceiving what cannot be measured by any instrument. > >This is such utter BS I won't even try to refute it. > > > > > > > >>Remember the 'perfect sound forever' that CD should > >>have produced. The classic example of the failure of > >>standard, averaged, frequency domain theory to > >>characterise the performance of an audio > >>reproduction system for a human listener. > >> > >> > > > >I am not sure what you mean by 'standard, averaged, > >frequency domain theory'. No one claimed 'perfect > >sound for ever' for CDs, except the Marketing types. > > > >Digital sound is theoretically inferior to analog > >sound, due to quantization noise. The latter, however, > >is a function of the number of bits employed. It was > >deemed that 16 bit were more than sufficient to better > >the LP -- and to the masses, they were. Today, 24 bits > >are said to be better -- but perceivable as such only > >in the best of systems. > > > > > > > >>So, please continue having these debates, but do not, please, at least > >>to this listener, pretend that you have a scientific standpoint. > >> > >> > > > >Actually, I prefer, 'Engineering standpoint' and no, > >I do not 'pretend'. Your assumption that it will > >somehow change notwithstanding. > > > >-- Ron > > > > > > > > > >>You > >>don't, because you are refusing to accept the experimental result, which > >>says that the theory, whatever it might be, is wrong, and needs to be > >>changed or replaced. > >> > >>John Walker > >> > >>Warren wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Ron" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2002 2:07 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Warren, > >>>> > >>>>If centering has any advantage, it would only be with off center > >>>>LPs. Such LPs would have wow, at the rate of about 0.5Hz. I > >>>>do not believe I have any such LPs in my collection, making this > >>>>a moot point for me. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Given the track record of record companies after the late sixties > >>>getting an off center record is easier than you think. There is also > >>>spindle wear .... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>As to 'without hearing it' (the ubiquitous Subjectivist retort) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>even from a purely scientific point of view its usually usefull to > >>>try soemthing before you comment on it. > >>> > >>>-- if > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>you were told that spreading apricot jam on your LPs improved > >>>>the sound (maybe, sweetened it), would you actually try it out? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Thats hardly the same as talking about the effect of properly > >>>centering a record is it? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Thought not... Have you ever thought to explain how come no > >>>>other TT manufacturer in the world ever addressed this serious > >>>>issue of LP eccentricity? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>actually they have, the naks just the one I have heard :-) > >>> > >>>And why wasn't the Nak TT such a > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>huge success after solving this horrendous problem (in an era > >>>>when LPs were a major program source)? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>Well that doesn't mean anything does it. I don't think any > >>>high end turntable sold in the volume of the cheap bsr's et al. > >>> > >>>Have a good weekend too > >>>next week its cables and caps :-) > >>>Warren > >>> > >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >>>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >>naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >>TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >>========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >> > >> > > > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > > > > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 27 15:35:45 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:35:45 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2689 References: <000401c2657c$96c15d40$590aa8c0@phil> Message-ID: <3D945EB1.D87620F7@rcn.com> John Berger wrote: > > Like Steven, I sold Dragon turntables in their era (OK,I sold one, but we > had one at the store to demo with), and there was defininitely a subtle > improvement once a record was centered. *Any* record? Including those that were concentric to begin with? > I'm wondering if the difference was due, not to eliminating an inaudible .5 > Hz wow, but to eliminating the time change that the wow would make in where > the left and right sides of the stylus contact the groove. I did not imply that eccentricity was a wow issue, just that it must also include wow. This allows us to judge its magnitude, since we believe wow < 0.1% to be inaudible. > The pivot point of the arm is a fixed point (on radial arm turntables, > anyway). Ideally, the points where the stylus contacts the vinyl would be > perpindicular to the arm all along the record (due to arm geometry, it only > reaches that at two points on the record, but it's a smooth progression over > 25 minutes or so). > > If the cartridge was skewed out of alignment, the line of contact would no > longer be perpindicular, and one side or the other would make contact with > the vinyl before the other. This would result in the left channel signal > being advanced in time compared to the right channel signal. > > Now, imagine this alignment change occurring like a slowly rocking boat, one > that rocks left for a second, then back right for a second, > left.....right.....left.....right.... As it's rocking, the time advancement > changes to the left channel, back to the right, left...right... You end up > with an image that rocks back and forth, very subtlely, just like that boat. So, all this would not apply to tangential arms, would it? Isn't it easier (and *far* better from other technical points of view) to employ tangential arms, rather than go to the complexity of a centering TT? Then, just replace any LP that still exhibits objectionable eccentricity. (IME, this is nowhere near 40% of records. YMMV.) -- Ron >[.......] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From bk11 at thuntek.net Fri Sep 27 17:26:37 2002 From: bk11 at thuntek.net (Stephen Sank) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:26:37 -0600 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2689 References: <000401c2657c$96c15d40$590aa8c0@phil> <3D945EB1.D87620F7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <03fe01c2663a$48deea20$1c3442cf@cta> Actually, Ron, all but the most perfect tangential arms(if such exists) would benefit even more from auto-centering than conventional arms. Virtually all tangential arms suffer from "wag", where the arm goes off axis until the arm servo senses the need to move & catches up. This being the case on even centered records, but far worse on off-center records, since the majority of arm servos do not respond to backward movements of the arm. I believe your Revox has a bidirectional-sensing servo response, but the stubby little arm still needs to move some before the servo sensors report the need to respond, thus allowing the stylus to wag back & forth in the groove. Only a perfect, groove-driven arm, with effectively zero lateral mass(*maybe* Lloyd Walker's air-bearing arm comes close to this ideal) is free from stylus wag. My further "anecdotal evidence" to report is that I installed V15VMR carts on both of the Dragon CT tables I sold, and the difference before & after centering was nearly as obvious & pronounced as with the cheap M92E on the store demo. Since the amount of center correction is easily observable(the vector "plunger" is driven by a very geared down motor, so the more the correction, the longer it operates), I can also add that the amount of improvement was absolutely proportionate to the amount of correction. So, no, no improvement on the few records that require no correction(about 1 in 10, in my experience). Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer Talking Dog Transducer Company http://stephensank.com 1624-B Eubank Boulevard N.E. Albuquerque, New Mexico [87112] 505-332-0336 Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer Payments preferred through Paypal.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2689 > > John Berger wrote: > > > > Like Steven, I sold Dragon turntables in their era (OK,I sold one, but we > > had one at the store to demo with), and there was defininitely a subtle > > improvement once a record was centered. > > *Any* record? Including those that were concentric > to begin with? > > > I'm wondering if the difference was due, not to eliminating an inaudible .5 > > Hz wow, but to eliminating the time change that the wow would make in where > > the left and right sides of the stylus contact the groove. > > I did not imply that eccentricity was a wow issue, just > that it must also include wow. This allows us to judge > its magnitude, since we believe wow < 0.1% to be inaudible. > > > The pivot point of the arm is a fixed point (on radial arm turntables, > > anyway). Ideally, the points where the stylus contacts the vinyl would be > > perpindicular to the arm all along the record (due to arm geometry, it only > > reaches that at two points on the record, but it's a smooth progression over > > 25 minutes or so). > > > > If the cartridge was skewed out of alignment, the line of contact would no > > longer be perpindicular, and one side or the other would make contact with > > the vinyl before the other. This would result in the left channel signal > > being advanced in time compared to the right channel signal. > > > > Now, imagine this alignment change occurring like a slowly rocking boat, one > > that rocks left for a second, then back right for a second, > > left.....right.....left.....right.... As it's rocking, the time advancement > > changes to the left channel, back to the right, left...right... You end up > > with an image that rocks back and forth, very subtlely, just like that boat. > > So, all this would not apply to tangential arms, > would it? > > Isn't it easier (and *far* better from other technical > points of view) to employ tangential arms, rather than > go to the complexity of a centering TT? Then, just > replace any LP that still exhibits objectionable > eccentricity. (IME, this is nowhere near 40% of > records. YMMV.) > > -- Ron > > >[.......] > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------== ======= > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Fri Sep 27 19:47:46 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:47:46 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] RE: naktalk-digest V2 #2689 References: <000401c2657c$96c15d40$590aa8c0@phil> <3D945EB1.D87620F7@rcn.com> <03fe01c2663a$48deea20$1c3442cf@cta> Message-ID: <3D9499C2.ED18D335@rcn.com> Stephen Sank wrote: > > Actually, Ron, all but the most perfect tangential arms(if such exists) > would benefit even more from auto-centering than conventional arms. > Virtually all tangential arms suffer from "wag", where the arm goes off axis > until the arm servo senses the need to move & catches up. Yes, this 'wag' is visible on the lead-in grooves of a record. But I wondered about the minute movement required to correct for the few thou of eccentricity. So, I went and measured the arm speed on my ReVox B791 and found that it traversed 3" in about 5 seconds (speed=0.6"/Sec). (Granted, this was far from a rigorous measurement, but it does give us a base line). It's easy to calculate that the arm should be able to follow 4 thou eccentricity in 7 mSec (milliseconds). Since it is lagging a 500 mSec movement, the lag is rather small. > This being the > case on even centered records, ... On centered records, the arm has nothing to correct. I assume this is what happens after the dragon centers the record. > ...but far worse on off-center records, since > the majority of arm servos do not respond to backward movements of the arm. > I believe your Revox has a bidirectional-sensing servo response, Yes, it does. I am not familiar with other arms, but why would anyone go out of their way to make the servo unidirectional? > but the > stubby little arm still needs to move some before the servo sensors report > the need to respond, thus allowing the stylus to wag back & forth in the > groove. The sensors are extremely sensitive, I believe the spec is 0.5 degree maximum. Recall that the arm is already driven continuously, to follow the groove. Correction is only necessary on variable pitch (and/or eccentric) grooves. For all I know, record centering may indeed be audibly beneficial. I have rationalized in some detail why I seriously doubt it. In any case, I am positive the difference cannot be significant (for the same reasons). Until I see a properly conducted double blind listening test (which I doubt will happen), I will stick with this gut feel. Again: YMMV. -- Ron > [......] ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Fri Sep 27 19:51:33 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 18:51:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D945AA9.B39C4AE7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000a01c2664e$84978540$35bb193e@oemcomputer> Ron said: > With all the ear's failings, the > Achilles heel of your 'evidence' is the brain that > processes what the ear hears. Some call it 'The Placebo > Effect'. Once controlled through DBTs, the 'evidence' > evaporates. > > > Fair point. Under hypnosis, people can be persuaded to see, hear, feel, smell and taste whatever is suggested they should. An onion can taste like an apple and an apple like an onion. An ice cube can feel like a hot penny and a hot penny can feel like an ice cube. A glass of vinegar can smell like a rose and a rose to smell like vinegar. Pain can vanish and pain can be made to appear where no pain previously existed. Equally, scientifically controlled tests have shown that we rarely read every letter of every word on a page - just some of them - and the brain guesses the rest, thus "sl~ng" may be seen and interpreted by the brain as being "slang" or even "sling" depending on the context of the semantic meaning of the words viewed before (and after) the word. We can't help it - that's the way the brain works. Thus, it should be of no surprise to find that people may be persuaded by others or by themselves, to hear what is NOT there. However, that is not to say the what they THINK they heard is NOT there ... even if they didn't really hear it!!! Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 28 11:32:09 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:32:09 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D945AA9.B39C4AE7@rcn.com> Message-ID: <000001c266d1$eae88460$467187d9@oemcomputer> Further to this debate and particularly the issue of measurement and our ability to measure, or not, what is there ... I have a couple of questions: Presumably, if one wished to measure an acoustic stereo effect one would require two microphones. However (and this HAS been tested several times) it is possible for someone with only one working ear to "hear" stereo from a stereo presentation using two speakers - that's precisely what I do all the time. I most probably do not hear stereo in the same way, with the same easy definition as the rest of you. However, given a good hi fi system, I can hear the "sound stage effect" and place musicians on that sound stage almost as well as a stereo hearing listener, but not so quickly. I've very little idea how I do this, although it is sometimes easier to do if I "scan" across the sound stage with the one ear. I wonder, is there is any man-made equipment that is capable of replicating that kind of measurement? Indeed, IS there any equipment that can acoustically measure a "sound stage"? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sat Sep 28 14:14:43 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:14:43 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <000001c266d1$eae88460$467187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D959D33.7080202@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> I emphasise that I *not know the definitive answer* to your question, but offer a plausible explanation. Any finite acoustic receiver responds most in a particular direction (the on-axis direction) than in others. By scanning like this, maybe your brain (sorry, that useless old measuring system again, Ron) is registering the direction where the response peaks, and this allows the brain to build a mental picture of whereabouts in space the pseudo-instruments of the stereo presentation are supposed to lie. Radars with a single dish antenna operate in this way: the system detects a number of echoes as the antenna rotates past the bearing of the reflecting object. The processing picks up the echoes, and compares the intensities with the (known) direction that the antenna was pointing as it scans around. This is called monopulse estimation, and it allows an accurate bearing to be calculated. Old style sonars, with a single rotating hydrophone used to do a similar thing, but this time with a man in the loop whose sensitive ears (ooooh, you had better go sit down, Ron) would quickly find the bearing that maximised the sound level, despite the fading and other problems that you get with underwater sound. John Graham Nelson wrote: >Further to this debate and particularly the issue of measurement and our >ability to measure, or not, what is there ... I have a couple of questions: > >Presumably, if one wished to measure an acoustic stereo effect one would >require two microphones. However (and this HAS been tested several times) >it is possible for someone with only one working ear to "hear" stereo from a >stereo presentation using two speakers - that's precisely what I do all the >time. I most probably do not hear stereo in the same way, with the same >easy definition as the rest of you. However, given a good hi fi system, I >can hear the "sound stage effect" and place musicians on that sound stage >almost as well as a stereo hearing listener, but not so quickly. I've very >little idea how I do this, although it is sometimes easier to do if I "scan" >across the sound stage with the one ear. > >I wonder, is there is any man-made equipment that is capable of replicating >that kind of measurement? > >Indeed, IS there any equipment that can acoustically measure a "sound >stage"? > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sat Sep 28 16:40:15 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:40:15 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West In-Reply-To: <3D959D33.7080202@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001c266fc$f55b7a80$d3b0193e@oemcomputer> Interesting idea, John. It would seem consistent with the greater effect of my being able to place musicians on the sound stage after scanning it with that single ear ... (Remarkable thing, the brain. I have a friend who lost a large part of his brain in a motorcycle accident. He subsequently lost most of his memory and all ability to communicate in speech and by writing. Nor could he read or calculate. All because those parts of the brain responsible for such functions had been destroyed or literally removed by the accident. The doctors said (in front of him) he was destined to a cabbage-like existence ... however, he hadn't lost his hearing (although the accident did leave him slightly deaf in one ear) or his ability to understand what was being said! His brain re-wired itself to enable those skills to be rebuilt and to work once more. But that was at a cost - the brain chose to use those parts that were used to control his limbs - in consequence, whilst he can now talk coherently, read, write (writes poetry!) and can add up a shopping list, as required, he can't walk and is largely confined to a wheel chair. G > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > John Walker > Sent: 28 September 2002 13:15 > To: naktalk at naks.com > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > I emphasise that I *not know the definitive answer* to your question, > but offer a plausible explanation. Any finite acoustic receiver responds > most in a particular direction (the on-axis direction) than in others. > By scanning like this, maybe your brain (sorry, that useless old > measuring system again, Ron) is registering the direction where the > response peaks, and this allows the brain to build a mental picture of > whereabouts in space the pseudo-instruments of the stereo presentation > are supposed to lie. > > Radars with a single dish antenna operate in this way: the system > detects a number of echoes as the antenna rotates past the bearing of > the reflecting object. The processing picks up the echoes, and compares > the intensities with the (known) direction that the antenna was pointing > as it scans around. This is called monopulse estimation, and it allows > an accurate bearing to be calculated. Old style sonars, with a single > rotating hydrophone used to do a similar thing, but this time with a man > in the loop whose sensitive ears (ooooh, you had better go sit down, > Ron) would quickly find the bearing that maximised the sound level, > despite the fading and other problems that you get with underwater sound. > > John > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 28 18:57:30 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:57:30 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <000001c266d1$eae88460$467187d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D95DF7A.87CD8FB8@rcn.com> My interest tends to diminish past the point where sound is recreated in a listening room -- I don't know much about how spatial position is perceived by our hearing. However, based on what I seem to remember from Psychology 101, direction is determined by phase and amplitude differences between sounds received by each of our two ears. I wonder if it is not possible for our brain to calculate the same information, using a single ear, by taking 'snap shots' of the sound phase and amplitude before and after slightly moving the head. Do you tend to move your head while trying to locate instruments? As to measuring 'sound stage' -- I am not aware of any scheme to achieve this. I believe stereo effects depend on the interaction between two or more channels. When those channels are identical, there is no stereo effect (easy to determine in the lab by subtracting one channel signal from another and noting if the difference is zero). I am amused when reviewers claim a good sound stage from, say, an amplifier. Components should not affect the sound stage in any way -- they should simply reproduce the directional information already embedded in the program material. The only way for equipment to affect sound stage is for the channels to be different in gain, phase or some other audible characteristic. In an amp, this would be a grievous fault and grievously should the amp answer it :-). Differences between channels in electronic equipment are easy to measure and should be nil. This characteristic is directly affected by design, build and component quality. Differences between speakers should be eliminated by careful matching (as high quality speakers are). Once all channel paths are the same, the equipment does not affect sound staging. Sorry I can't provide more concrete data. -- Ron Graham Nelson wrote: > > Further to this debate and particularly the issue of measurement and our > ability to measure, or not, what is there ... I have a couple of questions: > > Presumably, if one wished to measure an acoustic stereo effect one would > require two microphones. However (and this HAS been tested several times) > it is possible for someone with only one working ear to "hear" stereo from a > stereo presentation using two speakers - that's precisely what I do all the > time. I most probably do not hear stereo in the same way, with the same > easy definition as the rest of you. However, given a good hi fi system, I > can hear the "sound stage effect" and place musicians on that sound stage > almost as well as a stereo hearing listener, but not so quickly. I've very > little idea how I do this, although it is sometimes easier to do if I "scan" > across the sound stage with the one ear. > > I wonder, is there is any man-made equipment that is capable of replicating > that kind of measurement? > > Indeed, IS there any equipment that can acoustically measure a "sound > stage"? > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sat Sep 28 19:06:28 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 13:06:28 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West References: <000001c266fc$f55b7a80$d3b0193e@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D95E194.7EDF3F4B@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > [...] > I have a friend who lost a large part of his > brain in a motorcycle accident. I know of a person that lost a large part of his brain, through an accident of birth. Still, he found a good, well paying job. He is now in the white house. -- Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-naktalk at naks.com [mailto:owner-naktalk at naks.com]On Behalf Of > > John Walker > > Sent: 28 September 2002 13:15 > > To: naktalk at naks.com > > Subject: Re: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West > > > > > > I emphasise that I *not know the definitive answer* to your question, > > but offer a plausible explanation. Any finite acoustic receiver responds > > most in a particular direction (the on-axis direction) than in others. > > By scanning like this, maybe your brain (sorry, that useless old > > measuring system again, Ron) is registering the direction where the > > response peaks, and this allows the brain to build a mental picture of > > whereabouts in space the pseudo-instruments of the stereo presentation > > are supposed to lie. > > > > Radars with a single dish antenna operate in this way: the system > > detects a number of echoes as the antenna rotates past the bearing of > > the reflecting object. The processing picks up the echoes, and compares > > the intensities with the (known) direction that the antenna was pointing > > as it scans around. This is called monopulse estimation, and it allows > > an accurate bearing to be calculated. Old style sonars, with a single > > rotating hydrophone used to do a similar thing, but this time with a man > > in the loop whose sensitive ears (ooooh, you had better go sit down, > > Ron) would quickly find the bearing that maximised the sound level, > > despite the fading and other problems that you get with underwater sound. > > > > John > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. > TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From winniepoohlove at hotmail.com Sun Sep 29 03:27:01 2002 From: winniepoohlove at hotmail.com (winnie pooh) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:27:01 +0000 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Best turntable in the West Message-ID: I am sure that current medical knowledge shows that the brain cannot reassign one part of the brain to function in a different capacity? i.e. what controls the motor activities cannot control higher mental functions. Perhaps your friend didn't damage the higher centres as much as he damaged his motor centres? >>(Remarkable thing, the brain. I have a friend who lost a large part of >>his >brain in a motorcycle accident. He subsequently lost most of his memory >and >all ability to communicate in speech and by writing. Nor could he read or >calculate. All because those parts of the brain responsible for such >functions had been destroyed or literally removed by the accident. The >doctors said (in front of him) he was destined to a cabbage-like existence >... however, he hadn't lost his hearing (although the accident did leave >him >slightly deaf in one ear) or his ability to understand what was being said! >His brain re-wired itself to enable those skills to be rebuilt and to work >once more. But that was at a cost - the brain chose to use those parts >that >were used to control his limbs - in consequence, whilst he can now talk >coherently, read, write (writes poetry!) and can add up a shopping list, as >required, he can't walk and is largely confined to a wheel chair. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 29 11:25:28 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:25:28 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c2679a$2705a0e0$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> Winniepooh said: > > I am sure that current medical knowledge shows that the brain cannot > reassign one part of the brain to function in a different capacity? i.e. > what controls the motor activities cannot control higher mental > functions. > Perhaps your friend didn't damage the higher centres as much as > he damaged > his motor centres? I suspect this is one of those issues where the "experts" do not have a single opinion. However, if the brain was not able to reassign parts to do new things then aphasia and dysphasia could not be reversible. However, every speech therapist will tell you they are reversible conditions - if they were not, the therapists be out of a job. Aphasia or dysphasia occur when a part of the brain, that is responsible for specific communication functions, are destroyed. The victims of this condition KNOW, for example, what the physical object of a knife is and how to use it, but they either fail to connect the object with the word used to describe it when they read the word or it is spoken to them, or else, they cannot "speak" the correct word when they are shown the object and asked to describe it. I watched one sufferer exploding with rage when he kept confusing a "knife" for a "fork". He had problems with associated pairs - knife and fork, bread and butter, girl and boy, etc.. He would know which was which but what came out of his mouth was generally not the word he intended to say! "Fork!" he'd shout, knowing he meant to say "Knife". However, these things can be "re-learnt". Yet, they are not re-learnt by replacing the dead brain cells. Remember, brain cells once lost are NOT replaced by the body. The brain has to re-route around the dead cells so that the knowledge that "this is a knife" is communicated in speech. In my friend's case, he was told that his recovery was "impossible", that the neurologists could not understand how he was regaining his speech. Neither did they understand why his mobility was reducing. This was not possible, they said. Given where the damage occurred he SHOULD have been able to walk perfectly well, and that mobility ought not to have got worse while his language skills developed. (During his slow recovery he regained a taste for beer; however, he could not talk and lift the beer glass at the same time - it was either one of the other! "Not a problem, "he joked, "because drinking beer is a more serious business than talking ..." ) The neurologists said they had never seen anything like this before. Their only conclusions was that his brain was re-wiring, even though they had never observed that occur before, and they surmised (because they had no other example of this occurring before) that this was happening because ... he was willing it to happen, because he was so determined that he would talk again and not to be "a cabbage". The point of bringing this into the NakList discussion, and also the issues of hypnosis and single ear deafness, is to illustrate that a) the brain is capable of fooling us into imagining effects exists that are not there (when we THINK we can hear a difference that is not there) b) the brain is also capable of learning new ways to measure sounds that ARE there (when we REALLY DO hear a difference that is there that we ought not be able to hear, as I have been able to learn to "hear" stereo using a single ear) c) that both the above are parlour games compared to what the brain is actually capable of when its offered a real challenge ... (re-routing...) d) and therefore, it may be often be impossible at the moment for anyone to be sure that when (a) is occurring it is actually (b) and vice versa ... because we are each capable of "learning" new ways to use our brain if we are motivated to do so. Thus, for example, differences "heard" between different cables may be real but imagined, as they may be real and heard. But equally, without corroborative evidence, they may be unreal and imagined. And we may never know which is the correct interpretation! However, for your amusement, I can barely hear ANYTHING this morning following an incident in the middle of the night when a reproduction firearm loaded with blanks was accidentally discharged too close to my ear! Yes, the noise in the middle of the night was NOT a burglar ... and I'm wishing the burglar hunter had been armed with a knife (or is that a fork?) and not a fake 8mm Beretta! (Just as well it was not a real Beretta or I might have got hit by the ricochet, too ...) Here's hoping this new level of deafness that I am experiencing is only temporary as, unlike most of you, I don't have a spare ear on which I can fall back to hear my music ... Mutton Jeff (that's British rhyming slang for "deaf", a way of speaking and writing that is common in some parts of the UK) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 29 15:29:58 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:29:58 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... References: <002601c2679a$2705a0e0$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D970056.6E91DCAB@rcn.com> > Graham Nelson wrote: > > [......] > > a) the brain is capable of fooling us into imagining effects > exists that are not there (when we THINK we can hear a difference > that is not there) > b) the brain is also capable of learning new ways to measure > sounds that ARE there (when we REALLY DO hear a difference that > is there that we ought not be able to hear, as I have been able to > learn to "hear" stereo using a single ear) > c) that both the above are parlour games compared to what the > brain is actually capable of when its offered a real challenge ... > (re-routing...) > d) and therefore, it may be often be impossible at the moment > for anyone to be sure that when (a) is occurring it is actually > (b) and vice versa ... because we are each capable of "learning" > new ways to use our brain if we are motivated to do so. Thus, for > example, differences "heard" between different cables may be real > but imagined, as they may be real and heard. But equally, without > corroborative evidence, they may be unreal and imagined. And we > may never know which is the correct interpretation! > > [....] (a) above is exactly why a specific methodology was developed for listening tests. The idea is to present the brain with auditory data but as little else as possible, thus forcing an 'open mind'. When this is done correctly (so that all extraneous cues are excluded) listeners' perception often changes dramatically. For example, people that swore they could hear dramatic differences between speaker cables, could no longer differentiate at all. The same, for power amplifiers (sometimes, of extremely divergent price points). When the methodology is applied correctly, (d) is no longer correct. This methodology includes: 1. In the test, listeners hear two short selections of the same sound. Listeners are not asked to evaluate anything, just to determine whether sound A is the same or different than sound B. In each test, sounds A and B may be the same (either source A or source B played twice) or from the two sources (either A followed by B or vice versa). 2. Neither listeners not tester know the 'correct' answer. 3. Listeners are not aware what, specifically, is the purpose of the test. (Are we testing cables, CDs or speaker locations). 4. Statistical analyses rules govern how test results are evaluated. These tests do not seek to determine whether cables A is better than cable B, just to discover whether the cables are sonically different. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From doug at italcorner.com Sun Sep 29 16:56:21 2002 From: doug at italcorner.com (Doug Asherman) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:56:21 -0700 Subject: [naktalk] Searching for CR-1A manual Message-ID: <3D971495.6070107@italcorner.com> I've posted this to the message board, but... I just got a CR-1A deck (cassette), and I'm looking for a manual for it. If someone knows of one somewhere on the web (PDF, maybe?), or has one they would photocopy, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, Doug ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk Sun Sep 29 17:01:59 2002 From: graham at nelson3.freeserve.co.uk (Graham Nelson) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:01:59 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... In-Reply-To: <3D970056.6E91DCAB@rcn.com> Message-ID: <003a01c267c9$297f6f20$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> Ron wrote> > > (a) above is exactly why a specific methodology was > developed for listening tests. The idea is to present > the brain with auditory data but as little else as > possible, thus forcing an 'open mind'. When this is > done correctly (so that all extraneous cues are excluded) > listeners' perception often changes dramatically. For > example, people that swore they could hear dramatic > differences between speaker cables, could no longer > differentiate at all. The same, for power amplifiers > (sometimes, of extremely divergent price points). > > When the methodology is applied correctly, (d) is > no longer correct. > > This methodology includes: > > 1. In the test, listeners hear two short selections of > the same sound. Listeners are not asked to evaluate > anything, just to determine whether sound A is the > same or different than sound B. In each test, sounds > A and B may be the same (either source A or source B > played twice) or from the two sources (either A > followed by B or vice versa). > > 2. Neither listeners not tester know the 'correct' answer. > > 3. Listeners are not aware what, specifically, is the > purpose of the test. (Are we testing cables, CDs > or speaker locations). > > 4. Statistical analyses rules govern how test results are > evaluated. > > These tests do not seek to determine whether cables A is > better than cable B, just to discover whether the cables > are sonically different. > > I agree. However, the problem with the AB-X test is that it does not allow time enough for the brain to learn to know what to listen for. Thus a typical blind test, i.e. when someone is confronted with options A and B, neither of which they have heard before, the brain typically does not "hear" everything, just as it does not see all the letters that comprise every word of the page, and fills in the gaps with what it expects to be there - i.e. the limits of its experience hitherto. Example: Someone who is used to hearing a £50 cassette deck might hear the difference between that and a CR7 but I'd bet they'd not be able to hear the differences that many of the guys on the NakList have "learnt" to hear of between, say, the CR7 and a Dragon or a Revox B-215. Given more exposure to the sound the "inexperienced ear" would likely learn that difference. Thus, given time, the listeners in the AB-X test might eventually be able to differentiate between A and B ... that is, if there really IS a difference, of course! ;o) Gra' --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/02 ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Sun Sep 29 18:36:14 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 12:36:14 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... References: <003a01c267c9$297f6f20$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <3D972BFE.2682BE5E@rcn.com> Graham Nelson wrote: > > Ron wrote> > > > > (a) above is exactly why a specific methodology was > > developed for listening tests. The idea is to present > > the brain with auditory data but as little else as > > possible, thus forcing an 'open mind'. When this is > > done correctly (so that all extraneous cues are excluded) > > listeners' perception often changes dramatically. For > > example, people that swore they could hear dramatic > > differences between speaker cables, could no longer > > differentiate at all. The same, for power amplifiers > > (sometimes, of extremely divergent price points). > > > > When the methodology is applied correctly, (d) is > > no longer correct. > > > > This methodology includes: > > > > 1. In the test, listeners hear two short selections of > > the same sound. Listeners are not asked to evaluate > > anything, just to determine whether sound A is the > > same or different than sound B. In each test, sounds > > A and B may be the same (either source A or source B > > played twice) or from the two sources (either A > > followed by B or vice versa). > > > > 2. Neither listeners not tester know the 'correct' answer. > > > > 3. Listeners are not aware what, specifically, is the > > purpose of the test. (Are we testing cables, CDs > > or speaker locations). > > > > 4. Statistical analyses rules govern how test results are > > evaluated. > > > > These tests do not seek to determine whether cables A is > > better than cable B, just to discover whether the cables > > are sonically different. > > > > > > I agree. However, the problem with the AB-X test is that it does not allow > time enough for the brain to learn to know what to listen for. Thus a > typical blind test, i.e. when someone is confronted with options A and B, > neither of which they have heard before, the brain typically does not "hear" > everything, just as it does not see all the letters that comprise every word > of the page, and fills in the gaps with what it expects to be there - i.e. > the limits of its experience hitherto. Example: Someone who is used to > hearing a £50 cassette deck might hear the difference between that and a CR7 > but I'd bet they'd not be able to hear the differences that many of the guys > on the NakList have "learnt" to hear of between, say, the CR7 and a Dragon > or a Revox B-215. Given more exposure to the sound the "inexperienced ear" > would likely learn that difference. Thus, given time, the listeners in the > AB-X test might eventually be able to differentiate between A and B ... that > is, if there really IS a difference, of course! ;o) > > Gra' You put your finger on one objection of subjectivists to ABX tests. The issue is, how long should samples be? Subjectivists refute ABX tests because, they feel, listening should be extended -- one has to 'live with' the equipment under test. This, of course, negates the double blind aspect and leaves one to wonder if this isn't the subjectivist's hidden agenda in the first place. Another approach, often favored by objectivists, calls for fairly short samples (15 to 30 seconds), that require the listener to concentrate on the sound and doesn't leave time to 'learn' extraneous characteristics. If the difference is not perceived with short samples, then the there is a finite likelihood that the listener differentiates based on some extraneous effect, rather than the sound itself. For example: a long time ago, a friend claimed that he could recognize Igor Oistrach's playing among any other violinists. He had on hand two recordings of the same work, interpreted by Oistrach and Milstein. We ran some quick blind tests, and, sure enough, he could identify Oistrach 100% of the time. Upon further discussion, it came out that Oistrach's violin had a lush, 'round' tone, while Milstein's Stradivarius was drier and more analytical. Since the person owned both recordings and had listened to both before, he had 'learned' this characteristic and was identifying the violin tone, rather than the violinist's interpretation. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From enoyes at snet.net Sun Sep 29 19:27:52 2002 From: enoyes at snet.net (Ed Noyes) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 13:27:52 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... References: <003a01c267c9$297f6f20$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> <3D972BFE.2682BE5E@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D973816.2D1ED5C1@snet.net> > For example: a long time ago, a friend claimed that he could > recognize Igor Oistrach's playing among any other violinists. > He had on hand two recordings of the same work, interpreted > by Oistrach and Milstein. We ran some quick blind tests, and, > sure enough, he could identify Oistrach 100% of the time. > > Upon further discussion, it came out that Oistrach's violin > had a lush, 'round' tone, while Milstein's Stradivarius was > drier and more analytical. Since the person owned both > recordings and had listened to both before, he had 'learned' > this characteristic and was identifying the violin tone, > rather than the violinist's interpretation. Does this not point to the fact that with time exposure to a particular piece of gear or system we are able to come to a point of expecting certain subtleties in the sound that may defy traditional measurement. I had a pair of speakers in a secondary system that struck me as sounding remarkable... so much that I was compelled to try them in the main system. However, when placed in the main system they fell woefully short of my expectations. The interesting realization for me is that I had come to subconsciously place completely different expectations of what I should be hearing from each of these systems. The problem that I've always had with the ABX approach has been that traditionally the samples are too short to develop a real sense of what one is hearing. I don't believe a whole lot in the "day and night" differences among better designed pieces of gear and feel that it is in the details... which one must assimilate and gain a point of reference from before determining if there is a point of departure for another piece. After living with a friend's Naim pre amp for quite some time I invited him over to hear another pre that he had no real preconceived notion of (a very obscure KM unit). Upon first listen he immediately expressed what I suspected... that the KM was not nearly as good sounding. We correlated our findings which were very similar and I quickly put the Naim back in the system, at which point we both felt as thought the system was once again sounding "as it should." Which sounded better is a matter of personal preference. That they sounded different is without question! Ed ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 29 21:28:45 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 20:28:45 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... References: <002601c2679a$2705a0e0$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> <3D970056.6E91DCAB@rcn.com> Message-ID: <3D97546D.4090709@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Ron You say that double blind testing uses 'short' samples. How short? When I do a listening test, the shortest exerpt that I will consider is most of a track. When you think that you have heard something, you often need to wait until you have heard the same type of sound again a few times. In my experience, you then go back to the original, and do another comparison using the mental picture that you have built up. If I was presented with a snapshot of music, I doubt if I would have enought time to 'lock-on' to any specific aspects of a sonic presentation. I wonder if the method that you describe will only show a clear difference in the results if there is a gross difference between the equipment in the first place. It seems to prevent the subjects from using his or her musical discrimination, hence it does not seem to be a very precise or subtle test. An lo and behold, this is exactly the result that you have described - it will differentiate between two price points, but if the contest is closer, such as when different capacitors or cables are used, then forget it! Apparently the human ear is capable of discriminating between violins made by Stradivarius and Amati (or whatever). Would one perform that test by playing short notes? No, we would listen to a piece of music! And then we would listen to the same piece played on the other instrument. Then we would go back to the original, and onward for quite a while (I think). John Walker Ron wrote: > > >>Graham Nelson wrote: >> >>[......] >> >>a) the brain is capable of fooling us into imagining effects >> exists that are not there (when we THINK we can hear a difference >> that is not there) >>b) the brain is also capable of learning new ways to measure >> sounds that ARE there (when we REALLY DO hear a difference that >> is there that we ought not be able to hear, as I have been able to >> learn to "hear" stereo using a single ear) >>c) that both the above are parlour games compared to what the >> brain is actually capable of when its offered a real challenge ... >> (re-routing...) >>d) and therefore, it may be often be impossible at the moment >> for anyone to be sure that when (a) is occurring it is actually >> (b) and vice versa ... because we are each capable of "learning" >> new ways to use our brain if we are motivated to do so. Thus, for >> example, differences "heard" between different cables may be real >> but imagined, as they may be real and heard. But equally, without >> corroborative evidence, they may be unreal and imagined. And we >> may never know which is the correct interpretation! >> >>[....] >> >> > >(a) above is exactly why a specific methodology was >developed for listening tests. The idea is to present >the brain with auditory data but as little else as >possible, thus forcing an 'open mind'. When this is >done correctly (so that all extraneous cues are excluded) >listeners' perception often changes dramatically. For >example, people that swore they could hear dramatic >differences between speaker cables, could no longer >differentiate at all. The same, for power amplifiers >(sometimes, of extremely divergent price points). > >When the methodology is applied correctly, (d) is >no longer correct. > >This methodology includes: > >1. In the test, listeners hear two short selections of > the same sound. Listeners are not asked to evaluate > anything, just to determine whether sound A is the > same or different than sound B. In each test, sounds > A and B may be the same (either source A or source B > played twice) or from the two sources (either A > followed by B or vice versa). > >2. Neither listeners not tester know the 'correct' answer. > >3. Listeners are not aware what, specifically, is the > purpose of the test. (Are we testing cables, CDs > or speaker locations). > >4. Statistical analyses rules govern how test results are > evaluated. > >These tests do not seek to determine whether cables A is >better than cable B, just to discover whether the cables >are sonically different. > >-- Ron > >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= >naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. >TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html >========------------------------------------------------------------------========= > > > > ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk Sun Sep 29 22:08:33 2002 From: John at JandSWalker.fsnet.co.uk (John Walker) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:08:33 +0100 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Oooppps Message-ID: <3D975DC1.2060902@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Sorry to go over the same ground as Graham and Ed - I leapt at the keyboard before I had read their posts. It seems that the three of us have very similar interpretations. And thanks, Ron, for making me think more deeply about this subject. I always had that worrying doubt in the back of my mind that there might be something to double-blind testing, but now I feel more comfortable that the method lacks discrimination. Please do not mistake me (at least) for being gullible. Someone mentioned Naim - a fine company. I have owned several of their amps, and once had a guided tour around the factory. But some of the Linn/Naim dealers used to have a little trick. You start a demo by playing a record on your own deck, brought in for the test. Dealer stands there. Then you play it on the Sondek. Dealer starts to tap his foot. After the track has finished, the dealer asks you whether the Linn/Naim sounded more 'rhythmic'. Hmmmm. Finally, how on earth do you, Ron, manage to buy equipment yourself? Don't the dealers object to wearing a blindfold? I guess that part of the fun would be trying to work if one of you *was* tapping your foot! ;-) John Walker, trouble-maker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 30 00:09:45 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 08:09:45 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Searching for CR-1A manual Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C8E@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Hi Doug, The Naks website has a download section with the manual you're after. Just pop into.... http://support.naks.com/support username "naktalk" password "limited" Have a brouse around and there should be a manual for the CR1a/2a. Regards Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Doug Asherman [mailto:doug at italcorner.com] Sent: Monday, 30 September 2002 12:56 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: [naktalk] Searching for CR-1A manual I've posted this to the message board, but... I just got a CR-1A deck (cassette), and I'm looking for a manual for it. If someone knows of one somewhere on the web (PDF, maybe?), or has one they would photocopy, I'd appreciate hearing about it. Thanks, Doug ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 30 04:48:36 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:48:36 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Oooppps References: <3D975DC1.2060902@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D97BB84.E4ABB161@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Sorry to go over the same ground as Graham and Ed - I leapt at the > keyboard before I had read their posts. It seems that the three of us > have very similar interpretations. > > And thanks, Ron, for making me think more deeply about this subject. I > always had that worrying doubt in the back of my mind that there might > be something to double-blind testing, but now I feel more comfortable > that the method lacks discrimination. Funny... Relying on the same data, I conclude that DBTs are the *only* credible listening method. > Please do not mistake me (at least) for being gullible. Someone > mentioned Naim - a fine company. I have owned several of their amps, and > once had a guided tour around the factory. But some of the Linn/Naim > dealers used to have a little trick. You start a demo by playing a > record on your own deck, brought in for the test. Dealer stands there. > Then you play it on the Sondek. Dealer starts to tap his foot. After the > track has finished, the dealer asks you whether the Linn/Naim sounded > more 'rhythmic'. Hmmmm. Yes, reminds me of a speaker demo I once witnessed, where the customer was really impressed with the excellent bass. Turned out the dealer had a subwoofer sitting in the corner, complementing the auditioned speaker. You couldn't hear it unless you were almost on top of it. I only discovered it when I tried to sit on it... But these are outright cheats. I was talking about sincere testing, by people honestly trying to evaluate equipment. > Finally, how on earth do you, Ron, manage to buy equipment yourself? > Don't the dealers object to wearing a blindfold? I guess that part of > the fun would be trying to work if one of you *was* tapping your foot! ;-) You don't really suppose I carry ABX tests at dealers, do you? In show rooms I *audition* (as opposed to *test*). The listening tests I do at home with family/friends are far from rigorous. They are informal, blind (as opposed to DB) and are meant to edify me, personally. Were I a pro reviewer, I wouldn't dream of relying on these for publication. -- Ron > > John Walker, trouble-maker ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From ra.ah at rcn.com Mon Sep 30 04:56:05 2002 From: ra.ah at rcn.com (Ron) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 22:56:05 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] OT: Brain waves ... What we hear ... References: <002601c2679a$2705a0e0$1a3287d9@oemcomputer> <3D970056.6E91DCAB@rcn.com> <3D97546D.4090709@jandswalker.fsnet.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D97BD45.E656579C@rcn.com> John Walker wrote: > > Ron > > You say that double blind testing uses 'short' samples. How short? I didn't say that DBTs use short samples. Just that many people advocate short samples. Hot opinions on the subject abound. 'Short' is 15 to 30 seconds. 'Long' is 5 to 20 minutes. Personally, I feel that 30 seconds is enough absorb and evaluate sound. Much more than that and people tend to drift and evaluate the music, performance, room decor or weather... However, this is a purely personal preference. -- Ron ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 30 08:29:59 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 16:29:59 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Teac V900X question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C99@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> Howdy all, Yet another OT. Does anyone know the functions of the auto-calibrating feature on the Teac (oopps there's that T word again) V900X. There is a section on the righthand side of the unit displaying the following buttons... Reference, autocal, read, and finally, write. What do the read & write buttons do and why would it sound crap after an autocal procedure? Regards Tom Siomopoulos. ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Modernizy at netscape.net Mon Sep 30 15:21:47 2002 From: Modernizy at netscape.net (Nick) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:21:47 -0400 Subject: [naktalk] Teac V900X question Message-ID: <5A0345F5.1558C472.026D48C1@netscape.net> Hi, Tom, I suppose these buttons are dealing with reading and writing the calibrating data to the memory of the deck. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. TO UNSUBSCRIBE PLEASE FOLLOW THIS LINK http://www.naks.com/naktalk.html ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= From Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au Mon Sep 30 23:50:48 2002 From: Tom_Siomopoulos at neca.nec.com.au (Thomas Siomopoulos) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:50:48 +1000 Subject: [naktalk] Teac V900X question Message-ID: <8D011699C220D411A266009027AF327D02201C9B@mis-exchange.neca.nec.com.au> That sounds about right Nicholas. I went to Teac's Melbourne headquarters and asked them if they had any copies of the manual but I was out of luck. I noticed that if I press the reference button the recordings sound great, but they don't sound great after the autocal, why is it so? Tom Siomopoulos. -----Original Message----- From: Modernizy at netscape.net [mailto:Modernizy at netscape.net] Sent: Monday, 30 September 2002 11:22 To: naktalk at naks.com Subject: RE: [naktalk] Teac V900X question Hi, Tom, I suppose these buttons are dealing with reading and writing the calibrating data to the memory of the deck. Nicholas. __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ========------------------------------------------------------------------========= naktalk mailinglist, hosted by the Unofficial Nakamichi Cassette Deck resource. 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